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Anhydrous hydrazine.
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Ammonium nitrate.
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Nitromethane.
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Nitromethane.
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Ammonium nitrate.
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Oh, shit.
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Shit.
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Come on, man. We gotta go.
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Defense calls FBI Supervisory.
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Special Agent Gary Noesner to the stand.
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As the lead negotiator for the FBI,
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how many hours did you spend
on the phone with the Davidians?
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Uh, it's hard to
say, definitively. Hundreds.
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Seems like you got to
know them pretty well then.
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I guess so.
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Well enough to get
some of them to come out.
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Yes.
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Uh, 35 people came out during the siege
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including 21 children.
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How did you do that?
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Get so many people out?
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You build trust over time.
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You start small, you
give them something,
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in return they give something.
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You compromise.
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Trust.
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Uh-hmm.
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Was it difficult to build that trust
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when other members of your team
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were cutting the power
to the Davidians' home,
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or rolling tanks over their cars,
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or using sleep deprivation techniques,
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like, uh, blasting floodlights
or music throughout the night?
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Yeah, my team, the negotiation team,
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worked in conjunction with
the tactical team, HRT.
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And although our
efforts were coordinated,
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sometimes we took different approaches.
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And that relationship with HRT,
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would you describe it as, um...
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adversarial?
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But just remember, the
ATF's not gonna be around
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- to take the blame this time.
- I don't give a shit!
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Uh, it could get heated,
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but we always had the same objective.
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To get everyone out safely.
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Now, days before the final raid,
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you had reached an
agreement with the Davidians
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regarding their surrender, correct?
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David had promised to come
out before and never did.
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It's not uncommon in
situations like this
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for people to say one
thing and do another.
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So the FBI didn't believe the
Davidians were gonna come out
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and a decision was made to go in.
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Who made that decision?
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The Attorney General.
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In a meeting on April 12th?
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Sure.
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Were you at that meeting?
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I was not.
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Was anyone from the
negotiations team there?
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- No.
- Why not?
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If you were a team,
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why wasn't half the team at
this very important meeting?
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You'd have to ask them.
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But you supported the
decision they came to,
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to raid Mount Carmel on the 19th?
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Leadership felt it was the best
way to avoid more loss of life.
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I'm not asking what leadership thought.
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I'm asking for your personal opinion.
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Be careful, Mr. Cogdell.
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On April 16th,
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do you remember Steve Schneider
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asking you for a computer?
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- Yes.
- And why did he want that?
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Uh, he said it would help
Koresh write the Seven Seals out,
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and once that was done, they'd come out.
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This is a request you
made for the computer.
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Is that your signature
there at the bottom?
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Yes.
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And the date next to the signature?
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April 16th.
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So, four days after a
decision had been made
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to conduct the raid on Mount Carmel,
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you requested a new computer
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- for Steve Schneider?
- Yes.
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And how long does it normally take
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for a request like that to go through?
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- A week or so.
- A week.
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So you ordered a new computer
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knowing that it wouldn't
arrive until after the raid?
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- Well...
- Why do that?
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Why order something
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knowing that it wouldn't
arrive until after the raid?
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Unless you didn't know
the raid was coming.
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I don't recall exactly when
I was told about the raid.
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You didn't know. They didn't tell you
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because they knew you'd be against it.
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Leadership made a tactical decision.
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It wasn't a tactical decision,
it was an emotional one.
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They were getting embarrassed on
national TV and they were sick of it.
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No, they just felt Koresh
wasn't serious about coming out
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- and they believed they were out of options.
- Because you failed?
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I don't believe negotiators ever fail.
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We either solve a situation
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or we create more time
for HRT to prepare.
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HRT cited and I quote,
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"Once negotiations failed,
we were left with no choice."
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That wasn't my
assessment of the situation.
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They gave you 51 days, didn't they?
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That's a pretty long run
to wind up with nothing.
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I wouldn't call it nothing.
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We got 35 people out.
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And who knows?
Maybe you could've gotten another 35
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if you weren't running over their cars.
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- That wasn't us.
- That wasn't the FBI?
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No, it was the FBI,
but it wasn't my team.
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Oh, so that doesn't count?
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For Christ's sake, why
don't you just ask it?
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Excuse me?
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I know where you're
heading with all this.
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Cut to the chase, just ask the question.
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Uhm, what question
would you like me to ask?
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Objection!
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Overruled.
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You wanna know if it was inevitable,
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if they were planning to die all along.
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So you should just ask me.
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Was it inevitable?
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No, it was not.
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They were running out
of water and resolve.
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And I believe that without
the tactical maneuvers
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and a little more time,
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we could have gotten
a lot more of them out,
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perhaps all of them.
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Did you tell that to leadership?
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I did.
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And that's why they didn't bring me
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to meet the Attorney General.
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That's why I was rotated out.
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Some FBI leaders were tired of the press
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and the attention.
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The American public was tired of it.
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Everyone was tired.
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The FBI wanted it over at any cost.
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Holy shit.
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Uh, no further questions, Your Honor.
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I have one question for you
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and I better like your answer.
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Why were you in Andy's trailer?
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That was yours?
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That was Andy's? I mean, I didn't...
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I was... I was... I'm stupid, I was high
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and then I just went
into the wrong trailer.
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When I realized I was in the
wrong place, I left. Is that a crime?
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Go ahead. Search me. Go search my stuff.
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I didn't take nothin'.
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What's the downside
of killing her right here?
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I know she saw something in my trailer
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she shouldn't have.
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Hey, no!
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You might hit the dogs!
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Auf! Auf!
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Blind 'em, I swear to
God! These are good dogs,
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but call them or I'll fuck them up!
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Come on here!
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There are 75 ATF agents
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around our building and
they're shooting at us!
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There's women and children
in here, and they're... call it off!
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This is Sheriff Harwell.
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- Sheriff!
- Wayne.
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We got women and children in danger!
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- Wayne!
- Tell them to pull back!
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That call was placed by Wayne Martin
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moments after the ATF raid began.
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Wayne Martin isn't here
to tell you about it today
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because he was burned
alive 51 days later.
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Every case,
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every trial asks a question...
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and it's up to you the
jury to answer that question
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for the rest of the world.
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I thought I knew what the
question of this trial was.
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See, I thought the
question of this trial was,
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"Does the United States government
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have the right to
attack its own citizens?"
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It's a scary question
when you say it out loud.
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But that's not the question.
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Because the government
already believes it has that right.
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The real question
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that you the jury are tasked
with answering today is this,
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"When the United States government
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comes for you and your family
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with no plan for peaceful surrender,
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do you have the right
to defend yourselves?"
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That is what's at stake here today.
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For you...
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for all of us.
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You are really brave.
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Well, I'm a badass,
Gary. What can I say?
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Do you know what tipped them off to you?
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No, I don't know.
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Maybe they saw me at Andy's house.
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What? Wait.
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You went to Andy the German's house?
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Yeah, I snuck in there
when no one was looking.
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You shouldn't have done that.
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Well, I found something,
so you're welcome.
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He had a notebook, okay?
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With a bunch of science-type
stuff like chemicals.
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What kind of chemicals?
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Nitromethane...
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anhyzahydrizone.
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Anhydrous hydrazine?
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That's racing fuel.
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And adaman... admantium...
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Nitrous...
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Ammonium nitrate.
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That's it.
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- Fertilizer.
- Racing fuel and fertilizer.
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That's the same combination
they use in The Turner Diaries
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to build their bomb.
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Robert Kling.
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Hey, happy early birthday.
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What?
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April 19th, coming up quick.
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There you go.
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You boys drive safe.
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I received another vision from God.
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That's wonderful.
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Well, I'm not sure everyone
will agree with you.
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What He's asking...
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a lot of people might say it's wrong.
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We don't judge you for
what He asks you to do.
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Thanks, Clive. That's very comforting.
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Clive Doyle, get up.
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The verdict's in.
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Dad, can I ask you something?
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Of course.
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Is everything
David says the word of God?
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Or sometimes is he wrong?
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David hears the voice of God.
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And you believe everything he says,
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even when it's something strange?
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All rise.
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Has the jury reached a verdict?
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We have, Your Honor.
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The jury rules as follows.
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On the first count,
conspiracy to murder federal agents,
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the jury finds all four defendants...
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not guilty.
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On the second count of aiding
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and abetting the murder
of federal agents,
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the jury finds all four defendants...
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not guilty.
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On the count of using an illegal firearm
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in the commission of a crime,
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the jury finds Paul Fatta,
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Livingstone Fagan,
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and Ruth Riddle...
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guilty.
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What does that mean?
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It means you've been
cleared of all charges.
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You'll be free to go
in a couple of hours.
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But what about the others?
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- Order in the court. Order.
- It just doesn't... there's something.
266
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Your Honor,
267
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we'd like to ask the court to
reconsider that last verdict.
268
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On what grounds?
269
00:19:33,573 --> 00:19:35,633
On the grounds that it
doesn't make a lick of sense
270
00:19:35,644 --> 00:19:38,524
to be convicted of
using an illegal firearm
271
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to commit a crime when you
weren't convicted of the actual crime.
272
00:19:42,010 --> 00:19:43,275
Well, that's not for us to say.
273
00:19:43,286 --> 00:19:44,783
- The jury ruled...
- Hang on. Hang on.
274
00:19:44,794 --> 00:19:46,574
Hang on. Mr. Cogdell is right.
275
00:19:46,827 --> 00:19:48,893
How can I be guilty of using a weapon
276
00:19:48,904 --> 00:19:51,959
during a crime if that
crime never happened?
277
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Interesting legal paradox.
278
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But... I agree with the defense.
279
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I'm vacating the convictions
on the firearms charges.
280
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The defendants are to be released.
281
00:20:11,094 --> 00:20:14,224
Yes.
282
00:20:33,281 --> 00:20:34,561
Are you sure?
283
00:20:35,253 --> 00:20:36,803
I'll tell David.
284
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,475
David.
285
00:20:44,189 --> 00:20:45,556
David.
286
00:20:46,267 --> 00:20:50,087
George Roden has been
put in a mental hospital,
287
00:20:50,227 --> 00:20:52,627
because of his outburst in court.
288
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You know what that means?
289
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♪ I think there's
something you should know ♪
290
00:21:10,923 --> 00:21:13,243
♪ I think it's time I told you so ♪
291
00:21:13,254 --> 00:21:15,894
♪ There's something deep inside of me ♪
292
00:21:15,905 --> 00:21:18,542
♪ There's someone else I've got to be ♪
293
00:21:18,553 --> 00:21:21,395
♪ Take back your picture in a frame ♪
294
00:21:21,406 --> 00:21:23,916
♪ Take back your singing in the rain ♪
295
00:21:24,203 --> 00:21:26,033
♪ I just hope you understand ♪
296
00:21:26,204 --> 00:21:29,044
♪ Sometimes the clothes
do not make the man ♪
297
00:21:29,084 --> 00:21:33,704
♪ All we have to do now ♪
298
00:21:33,804 --> 00:21:36,524
♪ Is take these lies ♪
299
00:21:36,535 --> 00:21:39,437
♪ And make them true somehow ♪
300
00:21:39,448 --> 00:21:43,398
♪ All we have to see ♪
301
00:21:43,913 --> 00:21:46,283
♪ Is that I don't belong to you ♪
302
00:21:46,580 --> 00:21:49,933
♪ And you don't
belong to me yeah, yeah ♪
303
00:21:49,944 --> 00:21:52,324
♪ Freedom ♪
304
00:21:52,504 --> 00:21:54,534
♪ Freedom ♪
305
00:21:54,641 --> 00:21:57,651
♪ Freedom... ♪
306
00:22:17,363 --> 00:22:19,953
God has given me this land
307
00:22:19,994 --> 00:22:21,964
and everything on it.
308
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,420
I'll give you all ten minutes
to get off my property.
309
00:22:27,537 --> 00:22:28,867
Or what?
310
00:22:30,697 --> 00:22:32,567
Or we do this mean.
311
00:22:38,370 --> 00:22:41,036
We're gonna live here by God's laws,
312
00:22:41,047 --> 00:22:43,427
not by man's weakness anymore.
313
00:22:44,243 --> 00:22:47,373
Those of you who wanna stay, can stay.
314
00:22:47,514 --> 00:22:49,394
But there's gonna be some new rules.
315
00:22:49,867 --> 00:22:54,627
No drugs, no drinking,
no smoking, no sex.
316
00:22:55,273 --> 00:22:58,093
If you stay, you stay
to study your Bible,
317
00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:02,388
to find a new way, a better way.
318
00:23:03,137 --> 00:23:06,307
And if that doesn't interest you,
319
00:23:06,767 --> 00:23:10,067
well, it's time you found
a new doorway to darken.
320
00:23:13,357 --> 00:23:15,887
- Oh, excuse me.
- Hey, Mitch.
321
00:23:16,094 --> 00:23:17,543
I got nothing to say to you.
322
00:23:17,554 --> 00:23:19,656
Okay. Look, I know you're pissed.
323
00:23:19,667 --> 00:23:21,169
I need your support on something.
324
00:23:21,180 --> 00:23:22,523
Yeah, well, you can't have it.
325
00:23:22,534 --> 00:23:23,852
Please, just hear me out.
326
00:23:23,863 --> 00:23:26,173
You took internal bureau discussions
327
00:23:26,184 --> 00:23:29,086
and you aired it to the world, Gary,
you made us look like amateurs.
328
00:23:29,097 --> 00:23:31,013
Indecisive, spiteful little...
329
00:23:31,024 --> 00:23:33,762
- I told the truth.
- You made us weaker.
330
00:23:33,773 --> 00:23:36,562
People don't expect the
government to be perfect, okay?
331
00:23:36,573 --> 00:23:38,893
But they do expect us to be accountable.
332
00:23:38,904 --> 00:23:40,564
You think I'm not accountable?
333
00:23:40,817 --> 00:23:42,489
You think I'm not accountable?
334
00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:45,740
You had the luxury of criticizing
from the sidelines, Gary.
335
00:23:45,751 --> 00:23:47,020
You got to leave.
336
00:23:47,031 --> 00:23:48,809
I didn't. I stayed,
337
00:23:48,820 --> 00:23:52,020
made the tough call, and
watched those people die.
338
00:23:52,347 --> 00:23:54,107
And I got to live with that.
339
00:23:54,349 --> 00:23:55,705
What, you think
you're the only one still
340
00:23:55,715 --> 00:23:57,541
dealing with the consequences of Waco?
341
00:23:57,552 --> 00:23:59,603
I still dream about
it every night, Gary.
342
00:23:59,614 --> 00:24:01,434
So do I!
343
00:24:04,683 --> 00:24:06,103
But you know what, Mitch?
344
00:24:06,114 --> 00:24:08,084
I think that's what we deserve.
345
00:24:08,484 --> 00:24:12,417
What happened at Waco,
it affected all of us.
346
00:24:13,687 --> 00:24:16,247
It affected the entire country.
347
00:24:16,725 --> 00:24:19,236
And I know you understand
what I'm talking about.
348
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,850
We both saw the
protesters at Mount Carmel.
349
00:24:21,931 --> 00:24:24,611
We saw the increased militia presence
350
00:24:24,810 --> 00:24:27,780
and that has only gotten
worse since the fire.
351
00:24:29,385 --> 00:24:31,855
And I believe that these people
352
00:24:31,913 --> 00:24:35,060
are planning an attack, something big.
353
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:39,550
And I need the bureau's
support to look deeper into it,
354
00:24:39,561 --> 00:24:41,581
but I can't get it alone.
355
00:24:42,974 --> 00:24:44,564
I need your help.
356
00:24:46,114 --> 00:24:47,974
What do you mean by attack?
357
00:24:48,340 --> 00:24:51,549
The advantage that we've had
in dealing with these groups
358
00:24:51,793 --> 00:24:54,493
is handling them one at a time, sir.
359
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,132
If Gary's right
360
00:24:56,291 --> 00:24:58,241
and they started
communicating with each other
361
00:24:58,252 --> 00:25:00,822
through extensive fax networks,
362
00:25:01,877 --> 00:25:03,466
there's a real chance they could morph
363
00:25:03,477 --> 00:25:06,637
into some kind of
headless terrorist network.
364
00:25:06,648 --> 00:25:08,488
If Gary's intel is good,
365
00:25:08,697 --> 00:25:10,266
I think we need to take a closer look.
366
00:25:10,277 --> 00:25:12,657
If the Intel is good.
367
00:25:13,784 --> 00:25:15,744
That's a pretty big "if."
368
00:25:17,273 --> 00:25:20,598
You're asking me to go way out
on a limb here based on the word
369
00:25:20,609 --> 00:25:23,519
of an unsanctioned CI nobody has met.
370
00:25:24,060 --> 00:25:25,732
Well, I think the intel is good.
371
00:25:25,743 --> 00:25:28,233
- I trust her.
- I know you trust her.
372
00:25:28,244 --> 00:25:30,234
But before I go deeper into this,
373
00:25:30,387 --> 00:25:33,184
I need to meet her myself.
374
00:25:35,757 --> 00:25:37,137
Okay.
375
00:25:48,044 --> 00:25:50,044
You're gonna do great.
376
00:25:54,994 --> 00:25:58,276
So you're this mystery CI
377
00:25:58,287 --> 00:26:00,527
I've heard so much about.
378
00:26:01,237 --> 00:26:03,527
Yes, sir. Nice to meet you.
379
00:26:03,787 --> 00:26:05,667
And how did you get to know this group?
380
00:26:05,934 --> 00:26:07,984
The Aryan Brotherhood?
381
00:26:08,250 --> 00:26:10,046
Uh, well, I was dating this guy.
382
00:26:10,057 --> 00:26:11,922
His name was Wild Bill.
383
00:26:12,513 --> 00:26:15,984
Uh, he liked to rob banks,
do all kinds of crazy shit like that.
384
00:26:16,353 --> 00:26:19,673
Um, yeah, but then one
night we got into an argument
385
00:26:19,684 --> 00:26:21,768
and he beat me up pretty bad.
386
00:26:21,779 --> 00:26:24,629
I still can't see super good
out of this eye, you know.
387
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,630
And that, that pissed me off.
388
00:26:27,674 --> 00:26:29,454
So I narced on him.
389
00:26:30,494 --> 00:26:32,084
No offense.
390
00:26:32,747 --> 00:26:35,527
None taken. We're not narcs.
391
00:26:35,538 --> 00:26:36,778
We're Feds.
392
00:26:36,833 --> 00:26:39,303
Oh, yeah, that's much better,
393
00:26:39,744 --> 00:26:41,084
sort of.
394
00:26:41,970 --> 00:26:44,760
So, this place, this Elohim City,
395
00:26:45,217 --> 00:26:48,467
you think they're building
a bomb of some kind?
396
00:26:51,041 --> 00:26:52,211
Yes.
397
00:26:52,787 --> 00:26:55,703
Uh, they... there-there
was a bunch of chemicals
398
00:26:55,714 --> 00:26:57,383
that could be used to build a bomb
399
00:26:57,394 --> 00:26:59,395
written down in Andy
the German's notebook.
400
00:26:59,406 --> 00:27:01,639
Um, and they talk a lot
401
00:27:01,650 --> 00:27:05,490
about making the government
pay for what happened at Waco.
402
00:27:06,344 --> 00:27:09,914
Have you been in contact with
Wild Bill since he was arrested?
403
00:27:12,334 --> 00:27:13,879
No, sir.
404
00:27:13,890 --> 00:27:15,230
That's over.
405
00:27:15,271 --> 00:27:16,273
Hmm.
406
00:27:16,780 --> 00:27:18,573
So if I told you that
I had the phone logs
407
00:27:18,584 --> 00:27:20,714
from Arkansas State Penitentiary,
408
00:27:20,725 --> 00:27:23,082
where Wild Bill is incarcerated,
409
00:27:23,944 --> 00:27:25,784
would that change your answer?
410
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,456
I might have called him a few times.
411
00:27:34,467 --> 00:27:36,147
- How many?
- Um, I don't know for sure.
412
00:27:36,158 --> 00:27:37,478
- More than five?
- Maybe.
413
00:27:37,489 --> 00:27:39,219
- More than ten?
- Maybe.
414
00:27:39,637 --> 00:27:41,417
This Aryan Brotherhood,
415
00:27:41,428 --> 00:27:43,394
they just let you live there
416
00:27:43,514 --> 00:27:46,824
and read their notebooks
with no problem.
417
00:27:47,994 --> 00:27:49,024
No.
418
00:27:49,424 --> 00:27:52,064
They almost killed me. I had to run.
419
00:27:52,075 --> 00:27:53,463
Did anyone see this?
420
00:27:53,474 --> 00:27:57,354
- Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did.
- Huh.
421
00:27:57,977 --> 00:28:01,114
You know, there's been a lot
of chatter from groups like these,
422
00:28:01,125 --> 00:28:03,451
you know, saying things, like, um,
423
00:28:03,731 --> 00:28:06,189
they wish the FBI would dare
424
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,040
try something like we did at Waco.
425
00:28:08,094 --> 00:28:09,863
Have you heard any of those people
426
00:28:09,874 --> 00:28:11,484
saying anything like that?
427
00:28:11,711 --> 00:28:13,683
I-I don't know.
428
00:28:13,694 --> 00:28:15,489
Not-not-not in those words exactly.
429
00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:17,588
Did they ask you to tell us this?
430
00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:19,132
Why would they? I don't understand.
431
00:28:19,143 --> 00:28:21,774
To goad us into maybe another conflict.
432
00:28:21,785 --> 00:28:24,559
You know, something they
can all rally around.
433
00:28:24,570 --> 00:28:26,953
Did they ask you to tell us this?
434
00:28:26,964 --> 00:28:29,649
No, I'm telling the truth. Okay?
435
00:28:29,660 --> 00:28:33,228
Hey. Uh, could we have a moment, please?
436
00:28:35,004 --> 00:28:36,884
Come on. What, what are you doing?
437
00:28:37,017 --> 00:28:39,087
She's been through a lot for us.
438
00:28:39,407 --> 00:28:41,459
- For you.
- No, for all of us.
439
00:28:41,889 --> 00:28:42,934
She's a good kid.
440
00:28:42,945 --> 00:28:44,572
If I knew you were gonna
berate her like this...
441
00:28:44,583 --> 00:28:47,865
It does not matter if
everything she says is true
442
00:28:47,876 --> 00:28:49,905
if she can't hold it
together on the stand.
443
00:28:49,916 --> 00:28:52,376
Well, I can work with her.
I can get her to calm down.
444
00:28:52,387 --> 00:28:55,317
We cannot afford another Waco.
445
00:28:57,144 --> 00:28:58,944
It's over.
446
00:28:59,837 --> 00:29:01,797
I gave you your time.
447
00:29:17,673 --> 00:29:19,763
They're not gonna pursue it.
448
00:29:22,580 --> 00:29:24,420
Did I screw up?
449
00:29:25,027 --> 00:29:26,537
No.
450
00:29:27,697 --> 00:29:29,493
No, he had his mind made up
451
00:29:29,504 --> 00:29:32,134
before we even walked in the room.
452
00:29:35,464 --> 00:29:37,384
You have somewhere to go?
453
00:29:38,627 --> 00:29:41,305
No, I don't.
454
00:29:46,633 --> 00:29:48,412
You know, you asked me once
455
00:29:48,899 --> 00:29:52,604
how a nice girl like me wound
up in a place like Elohim City.
456
00:29:52,914 --> 00:29:54,114
Was easy.
457
00:29:54,681 --> 00:29:56,570
They're the only ones that wanted me.
458
00:29:59,633 --> 00:30:01,234
And, Gary, if we ever cross paths again,
459
00:30:01,245 --> 00:30:03,275
you act like you don't know me,
460
00:30:03,397 --> 00:30:05,857
safer that way, okay?
461
00:30:08,257 --> 00:30:10,427
Good luck to you, Carol.
462
00:31:10,954 --> 00:31:13,592
- Oh.
- Oh.
463
00:31:14,674 --> 00:31:16,931
- Let me get four more.
- Yeah.
464
00:31:17,010 --> 00:31:18,596
Hey, is Jocelyn working tonight?
465
00:31:18,607 --> 00:31:20,687
She, she usually works Tuesdays.
466
00:31:20,698 --> 00:31:22,067
- The waitress?
- Yeah.
467
00:31:22,078 --> 00:31:23,838
She quit this morning.
468
00:31:24,947 --> 00:31:28,457
And I was gonna propose to her tonight.
469
00:31:28,468 --> 00:31:30,038
Yeah. She seemed cool,
470
00:31:30,207 --> 00:31:31,673
kind of came out of nowhere.
471
00:31:31,684 --> 00:31:33,480
She begged for the job
a couple of months back.
472
00:31:33,491 --> 00:31:34,980
- Yeah.
- Then just up and quit.
473
00:31:34,991 --> 00:31:37,143
Wait, when did you say she
started working here again?
474
00:31:37,154 --> 00:31:39,644
Just after New Year's, I think.
475
00:31:40,217 --> 00:31:43,307
Like January 7th, like when
we started working here?
476
00:31:43,387 --> 00:31:45,017
Could have been.
477
00:31:46,670 --> 00:31:48,196
That son of a bitch.
478
00:31:48,207 --> 00:31:49,887
- Excuse me, Mr. Cogdell.
- What? Oh, yeah.
479
00:31:49,898 --> 00:31:51,508
You have a call up front.
480
00:31:52,827 --> 00:31:54,337
Hello.
481
00:31:54,450 --> 00:31:56,370
Yeah, what's up?
482
00:31:58,420 --> 00:31:59,610
The judge did what?
483
00:32:10,253 --> 00:32:12,379
What do you say we get out of here?
484
00:32:12,777 --> 00:32:14,497
It sounds good to me.
485
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:24,882
Wait a sec. Wait a sec.
486
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,122
Stop.
487
00:32:26,584 --> 00:32:28,024
- What's wrong?
- What's going on?
488
00:32:28,035 --> 00:32:29,330
Need to take you back inside,
489
00:32:29,341 --> 00:32:31,181
your release has been delayed.
490
00:32:31,984 --> 00:32:33,693
Delayed? What do
you... what do you mean?
491
00:32:33,704 --> 00:32:35,336
- No, it's over.
- No, they, they said
492
00:32:35,347 --> 00:32:37,379
- she was not guilty.
- Hands behind your back.
493
00:32:37,390 --> 00:32:38,786
- No.
- Sir, the-the judge
494
00:32:38,797 --> 00:32:41,157
- already said that she...
- No. No.
495
00:32:41,168 --> 00:32:43,120
No, no, but I'm free.
496
00:32:43,131 --> 00:32:45,145
- You can't do this. I'm free.
- Let's go.
497
00:32:45,182 --> 00:32:46,592
- I'm free!
- We'll figure it out, Ruth,
498
00:32:46,603 --> 00:32:48,617
- it's...
- I'm free.
499
00:32:48,730 --> 00:32:50,490
No.
500
00:32:50,917 --> 00:32:54,467
I'm free!
501
00:32:54,478 --> 00:32:56,038
I'm free!
502
00:32:56,581 --> 00:32:57,953
I'm free!
503
00:32:57,964 --> 00:32:59,644
I have had some time to reflect
504
00:32:59,654 --> 00:33:02,854
and I believe now I was too hasty
505
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,941
in my initial decision to vacate the
506
00:33:04,952 --> 00:33:07,108
convictions on the weapons charges.
507
00:33:07,273 --> 00:33:10,613
Thus, I am reinstating
them now and we'll move on
508
00:33:10,624 --> 00:33:11,963
- to sentencing.
- What?
509
00:33:11,974 --> 00:33:13,714
Your Honor, this seems
wildly outside of the...
510
00:33:13,724 --> 00:33:16,741
Please don't interrupt me, Mr. Cogdell.
511
00:33:16,752 --> 00:33:19,499
But you're finding them guilty
of a... of a non-existent crime,
512
00:33:19,510 --> 00:33:21,623
of a crime that you yourself
were willing to vacate.
513
00:33:21,634 --> 00:33:24,382
There is no reason to set aside
these guilty findings merely
514
00:33:24,393 --> 00:33:27,163
because the verdicts cannot
be rationally reconciled.
515
00:33:27,174 --> 00:33:29,692
I'm sorry, are you serious?
You're supporting a decision
516
00:33:29,703 --> 00:33:31,383
that you're admitting is irrational?
517
00:33:31,394 --> 00:33:32,673
If they were found guilty
518
00:33:32,684 --> 00:33:35,843
of using a weapon in the commission
of a crime then by that verdict,
519
00:33:35,854 --> 00:33:39,934
they must also be guilty of the
crime the weapon was used in.
520
00:33:40,247 --> 00:33:43,767
But they were found not
guilty of that crime.
521
00:33:44,063 --> 00:33:46,373
I have made my decision. Take a seat.
522
00:33:46,384 --> 00:33:49,132
- But that doesn't make any sense.
- I said I am ready
523
00:33:49,143 --> 00:33:51,163
to move on to sentencing.
524
00:34:02,563 --> 00:34:04,003
The only person
525
00:34:04,143 --> 00:34:06,023
to show any contrition was Ruth Riddle,
526
00:34:06,034 --> 00:34:09,250
and as someone who was
clearly manipulated by Mr. Koresh,
527
00:34:09,261 --> 00:34:11,061
you're not entirely to blame
528
00:34:11,107 --> 00:34:12,236
for your actions.
529
00:34:12,247 --> 00:34:15,196
Therefore, I am ordering you
530
00:34:15,207 --> 00:34:18,033
to be committed to the custody
of the US Bureau of Prisons
531
00:34:18,044 --> 00:34:20,304
for a term of five years.
532
00:34:20,424 --> 00:34:22,374
- Five years?
- Paul Fatta.
533
00:34:22,385 --> 00:34:25,086
I'm ordering you
committed to the custody
534
00:34:25,097 --> 00:34:27,854
of the US Bureau of Prisons
for a term of 15 years.
535
00:34:27,865 --> 00:34:29,826
- But I wasn't even there!
- Quiet.
536
00:34:29,871 --> 00:34:31,781
- I-I wasn't even there!
- Quiet!
537
00:34:31,867 --> 00:34:35,573
Livingstone Fagan, 40 years.
538
00:34:35,584 --> 00:34:37,533
- Forty? What?
- Your Honor,
539
00:34:37,544 --> 00:34:40,296
there's no way this outcome
was the jury's intention.
540
00:34:40,307 --> 00:34:42,442
They made their intention
clear with their verdict.
541
00:34:42,453 --> 00:34:44,159
You know what? This isn't justice.
542
00:34:44,170 --> 00:34:46,933
This is the government
demanding their pound of flesh.
543
00:34:46,944 --> 00:34:49,663
They, they can't stand to
let our clients walk away
544
00:34:49,674 --> 00:34:51,622
and they're getting you
to do their dirty work.
545
00:34:51,633 --> 00:34:54,222
Another word and I will fine you
a thousand dollars, Mr. Cogdell.
546
00:34:54,233 --> 00:34:55,753
I'm already broke. You can't get blood
547
00:34:55,764 --> 00:34:57,077
- from a stone.
- Don't be so sure.
548
00:34:57,088 --> 00:34:59,385
- That just cost you a thousand dollars.
- People will remember this.
549
00:34:59,396 --> 00:35:01,723
This will be the first line
on your obituary someday.
550
00:35:01,734 --> 00:35:04,015
- Don't you wanna be on the right side of this?
- Another grand.
551
00:35:04,025 --> 00:35:07,284
The next time you speak,
I will ask the bailiff to remove you
552
00:35:07,295 --> 00:35:08,955
from the courtroom.
553
00:35:09,717 --> 00:35:11,097
Okay, okay.
554
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:13,470
All right. Okay.
555
00:35:14,477 --> 00:35:17,863
Furthermore,
Paul Fatta, Livingstone Fagan,
556
00:35:17,874 --> 00:35:20,364
and Ruth Riddle, upon your release,
557
00:35:20,497 --> 00:35:22,886
you must pay the US
government restitution
558
00:35:22,897 --> 00:35:25,367
in the amount of $1,131,687...
559
00:35:25,378 --> 00:35:27,233
Oh, that is bullshit.
560
00:35:27,244 --> 00:35:29,289
The people decided this was wrong
561
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:31,563
that what the government did was wrong.
562
00:35:31,574 --> 00:35:34,326
If you answer that judgment
by steamrolling them,
563
00:35:34,337 --> 00:35:36,023
you're just asking to
have this happen again!
564
00:35:36,034 --> 00:35:38,620
- I am applying the law.
- The law is supposed to be fair!
565
00:35:38,631 --> 00:35:40,756
I decide what is fair!
566
00:35:40,767 --> 00:35:43,243
It is not my job to cater
to the moral fringe...
567
00:35:43,254 --> 00:35:44,753
It's not your job
568
00:35:44,764 --> 00:35:46,484
- to subvert the will of society!
- Bailiff, please
569
00:35:46,495 --> 00:35:47,865
take Mr. Cogdell out of my courtroom.
570
00:35:47,876 --> 00:35:50,135
Who got to you? We need
to be asking questions
571
00:35:50,146 --> 00:35:51,419
about how this had to go.
572
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:53,003
- We need to question the government...
- Order!
573
00:35:53,014 --> 00:35:54,873
- Order!
- ... and the people that made
574
00:35:54,884 --> 00:35:56,584
the decisions that led to this tragedy.
575
00:35:56,595 --> 00:35:59,076
Who got to you? Who got to you?
576
00:36:06,893 --> 00:36:08,293
Ladies and gentlemen,
577
00:36:08,587 --> 00:36:10,736
my decision is made
and my decision is final.
578
00:36:10,747 --> 00:36:12,542
Court adjourned.
579
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,890
Hell of a case, wasn't it?
580
00:36:24,806 --> 00:36:26,126
Are you here to rub it in?
581
00:36:26,137 --> 00:36:28,667
Because I'm happy to add
an assault charge to this.
582
00:36:28,727 --> 00:36:31,447
No. No, I'm not here for that.
583
00:36:32,187 --> 00:36:34,187
You were a worthy opponent.
584
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:37,813
Well, that's a nice consolation,
585
00:36:37,824 --> 00:36:42,465
seeing as the wheels of justice
just ran right over my clients.
586
00:36:43,930 --> 00:36:46,540
Everything I did was above board.
587
00:36:46,641 --> 00:36:49,041
Oh, really? Even Jocelyn?
588
00:36:49,724 --> 00:36:52,409
- Who?
- The pretty waitress at the bar.
589
00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:54,303
Don't tell me she wasn't a spy.
590
00:36:54,314 --> 00:36:56,408
Well, I honestly don't know
what you're talking about.
591
00:36:56,419 --> 00:36:58,108
But if she was, she wasn't with us.
592
00:36:58,247 --> 00:37:00,257
Man, what do you want?
593
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:06,670
I'd like to prosecute
the ATF for perjury.
594
00:37:06,837 --> 00:37:10,554
And I could use someone from
outside the system to help me.
595
00:37:13,087 --> 00:37:16,337
I might be able to make
a little time for that.
596
00:38:02,773 --> 00:38:04,592
You might think that what you see here
597
00:38:04,603 --> 00:38:07,945
is a rundown old shell of
what this place used to be.
598
00:38:08,594 --> 00:38:11,124
But your eyes lie to you.
599
00:38:11,297 --> 00:38:13,807
I alone see the truth.
600
00:38:14,967 --> 00:38:17,727
This land right here under your feet,
601
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,220
it's not land at all.
602
00:38:20,231 --> 00:38:21,741
It's a doorway
603
00:38:22,297 --> 00:38:25,307
through which we will
change the whole world.
604
00:38:25,884 --> 00:38:28,844
When I look around at
these old broken buildings,
605
00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:31,410
I see the building
blocks of one giant house
606
00:38:31,421 --> 00:38:33,971
that we will build right here together.
607
00:38:34,830 --> 00:38:39,210
One giant house that we will
all live in together as one.
608
00:38:40,141 --> 00:38:42,981
You believe it, don't you?
609
00:38:46,297 --> 00:38:48,447
You believe it still.
610
00:38:48,614 --> 00:38:50,287
Don't you, Clive?
611
00:38:55,417 --> 00:38:56,957
Yes...
612
00:38:58,610 --> 00:39:00,110
I do.
613
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,640
So now the FBI's sending
agents to spy on us as we mourn?
614
00:39:14,794 --> 00:39:17,352
No. I'm not here for the FBI.
615
00:39:17,363 --> 00:39:19,073
I'm here for me.
616
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,170
I care about what happened to you.
617
00:39:23,610 --> 00:39:26,070
That's why I'm here today.
618
00:39:32,257 --> 00:39:36,097
Maybe you could say
some words to that effect.
619
00:39:38,577 --> 00:39:40,077
Okay.
620
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:45,850
I was the lead negotiator here at Waco.
621
00:39:46,743 --> 00:39:49,753
Sometimes I feel like I never left.
622
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,000
This place,
623
00:39:53,133 --> 00:39:54,993
these events...
624
00:39:55,717 --> 00:39:57,557
will stay with me forever.
625
00:39:58,742 --> 00:40:00,873
Now, I know there may
be some of you here today
626
00:40:00,884 --> 00:40:03,943
and there's others that
believe that the FBI came here
627
00:40:03,954 --> 00:40:08,919
and just wanted to purposely
see everybody get killed.
628
00:40:10,377 --> 00:40:12,457
We didn't want that.
629
00:40:14,267 --> 00:40:16,935
None of us wanted that.
630
00:40:21,530 --> 00:40:24,813
So if we didn't want
it to turn out this way,
631
00:40:24,824 --> 00:40:26,394
and neither did you,
632
00:40:26,405 --> 00:40:28,795
then how could it,
633
00:40:28,871 --> 00:40:31,061
when nobody wanted it?
634
00:40:32,004 --> 00:40:34,263
A religious friend of mine proposed once
635
00:40:34,274 --> 00:40:37,434
that maybe it was evil
that made it happen.
636
00:40:37,634 --> 00:40:40,076
And I suppose he was right,
637
00:40:40,087 --> 00:40:43,577
but not necessarily in the way he meant,
638
00:40:44,397 --> 00:40:48,967
because I believe that
the whole idea of evil,
639
00:40:49,074 --> 00:40:52,232
it keeps us from seeing a thing clearly.
640
00:40:53,580 --> 00:40:54,980
It blinds us,
641
00:40:55,294 --> 00:40:59,744
because the evil is never on our side.
642
00:41:00,584 --> 00:41:02,754
It's always the other guys.
643
00:41:07,546 --> 00:41:10,246
I think what's closer to the truth
644
00:41:10,277 --> 00:41:12,717
is that we were scared,
645
00:41:13,531 --> 00:41:15,451
and you were scared.
646
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,671
And then we called you
evil and you called us evil,
647
00:41:20,751 --> 00:41:23,761
and then we both
stopped seeing each other
648
00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:26,470
and communicating.
649
00:41:28,203 --> 00:41:30,993
And that's when the tragedy came.
650
00:41:33,043 --> 00:41:35,592
And now, it keeps me awake at night
651
00:41:35,603 --> 00:41:38,226
worrying that if we
cannot find a better way
652
00:41:38,237 --> 00:41:40,517
to remember that, that even though
653
00:41:40,553 --> 00:41:42,373
we might disagree
654
00:41:43,220 --> 00:41:46,890
or be on opposite sides of a thing,
655
00:41:48,377 --> 00:41:50,838
we are all fallible people.
656
00:41:52,217 --> 00:41:55,670
I make mistakes and so do you.
657
00:41:57,884 --> 00:42:01,204
We're more the same
than we are different.
658
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,526
A great divide opened here among us
659
00:42:05,537 --> 00:42:09,007
and I'm here today to
push against that divide.
660
00:42:09,304 --> 00:42:10,554
And I hope...
661
00:42:11,604 --> 00:42:14,992
that each and every one of you
can help me in that effort...
662
00:42:18,253 --> 00:42:20,883
or I don't know what will happen.
663
00:42:27,351 --> 00:42:29,221
Your last meal request.
664
00:42:29,530 --> 00:42:31,650
Any particular channel?
665
00:42:33,444 --> 00:42:34,694
Yeah.
666
00:42:35,783 --> 00:42:37,283
The news.
667
00:42:41,618 --> 00:42:44,353
Miami Beach police are
looking for a man in his 20s.
668
00:42:44,364 --> 00:42:47,034
The shooting took place in
front of several witnesses.
669
00:42:47,314 --> 00:42:49,569
Please join us for a moment of silence,
670
00:42:49,580 --> 00:42:51,880
as we toll the bell one time
671
00:42:51,891 --> 00:42:54,251
for each life that was lost.
672
00:47:51,037 --> 00:47:53,723
The bombing in Oklahoma City
673
00:47:53,807 --> 00:47:56,877
was an attack on innocent children
674
00:47:57,281 --> 00:47:59,271
and defenseless citizens.
675
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:04,550
It was an act of
cowardice, and it was evil.
676
00:48:05,230 --> 00:48:08,160
The United States will not tolerate it,
677
00:48:08,555 --> 00:48:11,319
and I will not allow the
people of this country
678
00:48:11,330 --> 00:48:14,930
to be intimidated by evil cowards.
679
00:48:15,114 --> 00:48:17,720
I have met with our team
680
00:48:17,731 --> 00:48:20,629
which we assembled to
deal with this bombing,
681
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,230
and I have determined to
take the following steps
682
00:48:23,241 --> 00:48:26,271
to ensure the strongest
response to this situation.
683
00:48:26,574 --> 00:48:28,909
First, I have deployed
a crisis-management team
684
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,540
under the leadership of the FBI,
685
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,260
working with the
Department of Justice...
686
00:48:48,357 --> 00:48:54,353
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