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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,870 --> 00:00:03,612 [intense music rock] 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:35,209 --> 00:00:37,167 - [Corre] When I was a young kid, 5 00:00:37,341 --> 00:00:41,041 my parents weren't kind of considered so much as iconic. 6 00:00:41,215 --> 00:00:45,436 They were considered as anti-establishment. 7 00:00:45,610 --> 00:00:48,004 They were considered as scum, 8 00:00:48,178 --> 00:00:49,962 and some people thought they were geniuses. 9 00:00:50,137 --> 00:00:51,660 It wasn't like it is now. 10 00:00:51,834 --> 00:00:53,662 My mother is a national treasure. 11 00:00:54,924 --> 00:00:58,362 [dramatic rhythmic music] 12 00:01:08,416 --> 00:01:11,158 [tools clanging] 13 00:01:19,557 --> 00:01:22,473 [workers murmuring] 14 00:01:23,474 --> 00:01:27,348 [suspenseful orchestral music] 15 00:01:35,573 --> 00:01:37,445 - Get the others. 16 00:01:37,619 --> 00:01:41,449 [suspenseful orchestral music] 17 00:01:45,714 --> 00:01:46,541 - Ssh. 18 00:01:46,715 --> 00:01:48,238 Coast clear. 19 00:01:48,412 --> 00:01:52,416 - Just a few people control the world's economy. 20 00:01:52,590 --> 00:01:54,766 They keep you trapped in debt. 21 00:01:54,940 --> 00:01:57,726 I can get money off this card. 22 00:01:57,900 --> 00:02:01,817 I'm working here to pay the interest. 23 00:02:01,991 --> 00:02:04,080 That's how they make money. 24 00:02:04,254 --> 00:02:08,258 The world's bankrupt and they're wrecking our planet. 25 00:02:09,433 --> 00:02:11,609 - There are all these poor people 26 00:02:11,783 --> 00:02:14,438 and just a few billionaires and trillionaires. 27 00:02:15,613 --> 00:02:16,745 They're ripping us off. 28 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:23,230 All caused by the rotten money system. 29 00:02:24,970 --> 00:02:26,494 They're squeezing the poor 30 00:02:26,668 --> 00:02:28,496 and giving all the money to the rich. 31 00:02:30,454 --> 00:02:31,760 We all work for them. 32 00:02:32,935 --> 00:02:35,633 How can we get the whole world to understand 33 00:02:35,807 --> 00:02:37,113 they're being ripped off? 34 00:02:39,768 --> 00:02:40,769 Grab their attention, 35 00:02:42,510 --> 00:02:46,296 challenge them to think about what they really value 36 00:02:46,470 --> 00:02:48,168 and save the planet. 37 00:02:48,342 --> 00:02:51,606 [dramatic orchestral music] 38 00:02:51,780 --> 00:02:54,565 - [Corre] My father Malcolm used to like to portray himself 39 00:02:54,739 --> 00:02:58,613 as a kind of modern-day Fagin kind of character, 40 00:02:58,787 --> 00:03:02,094 with everyone around him as one of his urchins. 41 00:03:02,269 --> 00:03:05,141 Played the role like he was always on the run, 42 00:03:05,315 --> 00:03:08,231 always one step ahead of the law or the bailiffs, 43 00:03:08,405 --> 00:03:10,581 and that's how he portrayed himself in his film 44 00:03:10,755 --> 00:03:12,844 "The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle." 45 00:03:13,018 --> 00:03:15,978 [suspenseful music] 46 00:03:17,806 --> 00:03:19,677 - We have got a lot of stuff. 47 00:03:19,851 --> 00:03:23,115 It's quite an impressive amount of stuff we've got. 48 00:03:23,290 --> 00:03:24,943 - Yeah. - Really. 49 00:03:25,117 --> 00:03:29,383 - When punk first started, the hairstyles were so mad. 50 00:03:29,557 --> 00:03:32,081 The people had the most brilliant hairstyles, 51 00:03:32,255 --> 00:03:36,041 and I remember going to a party and nobody could move, 52 00:03:36,216 --> 00:03:37,869 and there are all these people. 53 00:03:38,043 --> 00:03:39,001 There's a girl in front of me with a fringe down to here 54 00:03:39,175 --> 00:03:40,785 and I couldn't see her at all. 55 00:03:40,959 --> 00:03:42,483 Long black hair and a fringe, 56 00:03:42,657 --> 00:03:44,833 and you just couldn't see where her eyes were. 57 00:03:45,007 --> 00:03:48,924 And people with the most mad, curly, spiral hair 58 00:03:49,098 --> 00:03:51,143 and all kinds of things. 59 00:03:51,318 --> 00:03:53,494 It was absolutely great. 60 00:03:53,668 --> 00:03:57,324 But, anyway, and then it all kind of petrified 61 00:03:57,498 --> 00:04:01,893 into the punk look that you see on a little duck 62 00:04:02,067 --> 00:04:03,808 that you float in the bath, 63 00:04:03,982 --> 00:04:05,984 and there's one of the queen that you can float in the bath 64 00:04:06,158 --> 00:04:07,116 and she's got a crown 65 00:04:07,290 --> 00:04:09,597 and the punk's got a Mohican 66 00:04:09,771 --> 00:04:12,469 and a red T-shirt on or something. 67 00:04:12,643 --> 00:04:16,168 But anyway, it's all petrified into the punk- 68 00:04:16,343 --> 00:04:17,213 - Yeah, uniform. 69 00:04:17,387 --> 00:04:18,475 - Uniform. - From whatever, 70 00:04:18,649 --> 00:04:20,782 the icon punk. 71 00:04:20,956 --> 00:04:22,610 - All this has got to today, 72 00:04:22,784 --> 00:04:27,397 you know, you've got punk beer and punk credit cards. 73 00:04:28,790 --> 00:04:30,226 - Oh yeah. 74 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:31,836 Considering it was- - Punk rock McDonald's. 75 00:04:32,010 --> 00:04:33,969 - Taken to court when it was originally done, 76 00:04:34,143 --> 00:04:37,364 it is ironic that now it's on Mastercard. 77 00:04:37,538 --> 00:04:38,843 - Really? 78 00:04:39,017 --> 00:04:40,454 - Yeah. - That's incredible, isn't it? 79 00:04:40,628 --> 00:04:42,456 - [Ben] Mm-hmm. 80 00:04:42,630 --> 00:04:44,196 - Oh, I see. 81 00:04:44,371 --> 00:04:47,112 "Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols." 82 00:04:47,287 --> 00:04:49,376 Virgin Mastercard. 83 00:04:49,550 --> 00:04:50,333 Yeah. 84 00:04:51,552 --> 00:04:53,075 That's the Virgin cred. 85 00:04:53,249 --> 00:04:56,383 The Sex Pistols and the bollocks. 86 00:04:57,732 --> 00:05:01,736 [anticipatory orchestral music] 87 00:05:03,825 --> 00:05:08,351 - Now, this is funny 'cause this is Malcolm 88 00:05:08,525 --> 00:05:11,528 sending a letter into the "Melody Maker." 89 00:05:11,702 --> 00:05:13,095 It says, "In view of articles 90 00:05:13,269 --> 00:05:15,532 written in your paper about my production, 91 00:05:15,706 --> 00:05:17,665 'The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle' film, 92 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,929 the film's original title, 'Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle,' 93 00:05:21,103 --> 00:05:23,714 its theme, script, construction, attitude, 94 00:05:23,888 --> 00:05:26,369 and above all, style, was my own. 95 00:05:26,543 --> 00:05:28,937 The Sex Pistols trial last year hinged on 96 00:05:29,111 --> 00:05:30,417 the writing of that script, 97 00:05:30,591 --> 00:05:31,809 the production of the film, 98 00:05:31,983 --> 00:05:33,942 and the money spent on making it. 99 00:05:34,116 --> 00:05:36,553 The script bore my name and was read out in court 100 00:05:36,727 --> 00:05:40,427 by Lydon's lawyers as an indictment of my ideas. 101 00:05:40,601 --> 00:05:44,213 They made the comment that it was filth written by Satan, 102 00:05:44,387 --> 00:05:46,955 harmful to John Lydon's new image. 103 00:05:48,217 --> 00:05:50,698 The judge asked if he had reformed. 104 00:05:50,872 --> 00:05:52,961 He replied, 'I've changed.' 105 00:05:53,135 --> 00:05:57,182 As a result, the court seized my company and the film. 106 00:05:57,357 --> 00:06:00,403 Unwilling to work under the auspices of the court 107 00:06:00,577 --> 00:06:02,840 to take into consideration their cuts, 108 00:06:03,014 --> 00:06:05,495 and unwilling most of all to have Virgin Records 109 00:06:05,669 --> 00:06:08,759 seize 25% of a film they had nothing to do with 110 00:06:08,933 --> 00:06:13,851 by donating 150,000 pounds of Sex Pistols royalties, 111 00:06:15,026 --> 00:06:16,550 Jones, Cook and Lydon and agreed to it. 112 00:06:16,724 --> 00:06:19,422 It was their last and most pathetic performance. 113 00:06:19,596 --> 00:06:22,512 I decided to withdraw my name from the credits of the film, 114 00:06:22,686 --> 00:06:24,558 both as a producer and writer. 115 00:06:24,732 --> 00:06:27,561 Jamie Reid withdrew his name too from the credits 116 00:06:27,735 --> 00:06:29,650 for similar reasons to my own." 117 00:06:29,824 --> 00:06:31,129 And they've given him a little prize, 118 00:06:31,303 --> 00:06:34,045 LP Winner for Flogging a Dead Horse. 119 00:06:34,219 --> 00:06:36,396 - That just shows you the jealousy of the press. 120 00:06:36,570 --> 00:06:38,398 It means that Malcolm was dangerous 121 00:06:38,572 --> 00:06:40,574 and they don't like dangerous people 122 00:06:40,748 --> 00:06:42,837 and they don't like people who are more advanced, 123 00:06:43,011 --> 00:06:46,144 more avant garde than any of their stupid, 124 00:06:46,318 --> 00:06:48,103 uneducated people. 125 00:06:48,277 --> 00:06:52,063 When Johnny started and when he wrote 126 00:06:53,238 --> 00:06:55,284 the lyrics "Anarchy In The UK" 127 00:06:55,458 --> 00:06:57,591 and the lyrics of "God Save the Queen" 128 00:06:57,765 --> 00:07:00,550 and "your future dream is a shopping scheme" 129 00:07:00,724 --> 00:07:02,857 and "I want to be anarchy," 130 00:07:03,031 --> 00:07:06,208 at that point, Johnny, I think, was fantastic. 131 00:07:06,382 --> 00:07:07,296 He was really fabulous. 132 00:07:07,470 --> 00:07:09,080 He was really going for it. 133 00:07:09,254 --> 00:07:12,519 It was like revolution to him and he really meant it. 134 00:07:14,564 --> 00:07:16,087 And then at a certain point, 135 00:07:16,261 --> 00:07:18,655 like as you say, he's been led astray by Malcolm, 136 00:07:18,829 --> 00:07:21,005 but no, he was into it. 137 00:07:21,179 --> 00:07:22,006 I believed in him. 138 00:07:22,180 --> 00:07:23,747 I really did. 139 00:07:23,921 --> 00:07:28,186 And I find it disappointing that his role today 140 00:07:29,361 --> 00:07:31,233 is to just try to stay on this pedestal 141 00:07:31,407 --> 00:07:33,409 and look like he's good at spitting. 142 00:07:33,583 --> 00:07:37,892 I mean, that's about his claim to rebellion. 143 00:07:38,066 --> 00:07:40,068 I got out of punk because I realized 144 00:07:40,242 --> 00:07:43,288 it was actually a marketing opportunity, 145 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:46,248 and the main thing it was marketing is, 146 00:07:46,422 --> 00:07:49,425 isn't England this wonderful free society? 147 00:07:49,599 --> 00:07:51,732 It's got all these rebels. 148 00:07:51,906 --> 00:07:55,257 And so there you are, Johnny Rotten, stay on your pedestal, 149 00:07:55,431 --> 00:07:57,955 You're a punk and you're proof 150 00:07:58,129 --> 00:08:01,350 that we live in a free society. 151 00:08:01,524 --> 00:08:05,180 [drummer tapping a cadence] 152 00:08:07,661 --> 00:08:10,838 - Malcolm McLaren wanted to cause maximum chaos, 153 00:08:12,274 --> 00:08:15,320 and he just giggled through the absurdity of it all. 154 00:08:16,496 --> 00:08:19,368 He was just like a kid who wanted to take 155 00:08:19,542 --> 00:08:23,111 the bottom tin of beans from a supermarket display 156 00:08:23,285 --> 00:08:24,895 to see them tumble. 157 00:08:25,069 --> 00:08:27,594 Lots of disturbed adolescents got into punk rock. 158 00:08:27,768 --> 00:08:30,379 I mean, Steve Jones was disturbed. 159 00:08:30,553 --> 00:08:31,728 McLaren was disturbed. 160 00:08:31,902 --> 00:08:33,861 I was very disturbed. 161 00:08:34,035 --> 00:08:36,428 Most of the stars were, actually. 162 00:08:38,474 --> 00:08:40,781 In fact, I think that's why people go on stage, 163 00:08:41,912 --> 00:08:44,132 'cause they're crippled in some way. 164 00:08:44,306 --> 00:08:45,960 People got all this energy out 165 00:08:46,134 --> 00:08:47,352 and I'd have killed someone 166 00:08:47,527 --> 00:08:49,050 if I hadn't been in Tenpole Tudor, 167 00:08:49,224 --> 00:08:52,009 'cause all that aggression, you get it out, 168 00:08:52,183 --> 00:08:54,142 but not in an aggressive way. 169 00:08:54,316 --> 00:08:56,187 You don't have to hit someone or anything, 170 00:08:56,361 --> 00:08:57,841 so it's a terrific therapy. 171 00:09:00,627 --> 00:09:02,237 - My name is Jordan. 172 00:09:02,411 --> 00:09:04,718 I worked with Malcolm McLaren and Vivienne Westwood 173 00:09:04,892 --> 00:09:08,765 in their shop in 430 Kings Road for several years. 174 00:09:08,939 --> 00:09:11,289 I would say probably the three of us, 175 00:09:11,463 --> 00:09:15,250 we're like a kind of perfect storm, and we, in a way, 176 00:09:15,424 --> 00:09:19,428 created the whole scene of punk in that time. 177 00:09:19,602 --> 00:09:21,996 The relevance of punk today 178 00:09:22,170 --> 00:09:26,304 I don't think is necessarily aesthetic. 179 00:09:26,478 --> 00:09:29,960 I think it's more of a mind issue. 180 00:09:30,134 --> 00:09:34,399 I would hope the legacy would be that people feel empowered, 181 00:09:34,574 --> 00:09:36,010 both men and women, 182 00:09:36,184 --> 00:09:39,535 'cause I feel that at the time, in the 70s, 183 00:09:39,709 --> 00:09:43,670 '75, '76, '77, maybe '78, 184 00:09:43,844 --> 00:09:47,369 it created an atmosphere where people, 185 00:09:47,543 --> 00:09:49,110 men and women, could feel equal, 186 00:09:49,284 --> 00:09:51,068 and I don't think that corporations 187 00:09:51,242 --> 00:09:52,853 can ever buy anything like that. 188 00:09:53,027 --> 00:09:55,899 I think it's to do with individuality. 189 00:09:56,073 --> 00:09:57,509 And as I said before, 190 00:09:57,684 --> 00:09:59,816 I think it's all to do with how your mind is. 191 00:09:59,990 --> 00:10:03,167 [somber trumpet music] 192 00:10:04,386 --> 00:10:06,431 - I just really believed in Malcolm 193 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:08,695 because we were both rebels 194 00:10:08,869 --> 00:10:13,047 and I was just so disgusted about the human rights, 195 00:10:13,221 --> 00:10:17,138 about the Vietnam War, and about killing, 196 00:10:17,312 --> 00:10:22,012 and I wanted to change the world then just so bad. 197 00:10:23,231 --> 00:10:24,232 Anarchy, that was me. 198 00:10:24,406 --> 00:10:27,061 I invented this sign, anarchy- 199 00:10:27,235 --> 00:10:28,671 - [Corre] What do you mean you invented the sign anarchy? 200 00:10:28,845 --> 00:10:31,326 - Well, apparently, this A in the circle 201 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:33,328 is what I decided was the anarchy sign. 202 00:10:33,502 --> 00:10:35,069 It's still used as it. 203 00:10:35,243 --> 00:10:36,331 You've got "ban the bomb" in a circle. 204 00:10:36,505 --> 00:10:37,419 - [Corre] You invented that? 205 00:10:37,593 --> 00:10:38,899 You put the A in the circle? 206 00:10:39,073 --> 00:10:39,769 - Yeah, of course. - I thought that was 207 00:10:39,943 --> 00:10:41,466 a really old thing. 208 00:10:41,641 --> 00:10:43,120 Is that you that invented it? - No, I did that. 209 00:10:43,294 --> 00:10:45,645 My idea of anarchy was that the older generation 210 00:10:45,819 --> 00:10:50,737 had just totally made a disaster of everybody's life 211 00:10:51,825 --> 00:10:53,522 and the life of everybody in the world, 212 00:10:53,696 --> 00:10:56,264 and it was just this mismanagement 213 00:10:56,438 --> 00:10:59,615 and this destructive, 214 00:10:59,789 --> 00:11:03,575 power-driven people that ruled the world. 215 00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:06,535 And the idea of anarchy is we will not 216 00:11:06,709 --> 00:11:09,407 let this older generation ever, 217 00:11:09,581 --> 00:11:12,454 we've got to do something. 218 00:11:12,628 --> 00:11:15,283 But Malcolm wasn't really in it for that. 219 00:11:15,457 --> 00:11:17,111 He just hated the older generation, 220 00:11:17,285 --> 00:11:19,113 'cause like I said, he hated his mother, 221 00:11:19,287 --> 00:11:22,507 and he had a terrible ego, Malcolm, 222 00:11:22,682 --> 00:11:24,814 and anybody that was powerful, 223 00:11:25,989 --> 00:11:27,556 he automatically didn't like them. 224 00:11:27,730 --> 00:11:30,124 He didn't like Richard Branson for that very reason. 225 00:11:30,298 --> 00:11:32,126 And I'd just come to what Malcolm used to say 226 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:33,823 about "never trust a hippie." 227 00:11:33,997 --> 00:11:37,871 In 1968, there were all these student sit-ins, 228 00:11:38,045 --> 00:11:40,221 and Malcolm got all excited by that 229 00:11:40,395 --> 00:11:42,005 and was following them. 230 00:11:42,179 --> 00:11:44,660 I was living in a caravan in Wales looking after you 231 00:11:44,834 --> 00:11:47,663 and they were supposed to be burning the American flag, 232 00:11:47,837 --> 00:11:49,360 and he was really pissed off 233 00:11:49,534 --> 00:11:53,364 because they didn't even practice setting fire to a flag. 234 00:11:53,538 --> 00:11:57,107 And when they wanted to try and burn it, they couldn't, 235 00:11:57,281 --> 00:12:00,807 and I think Malcolm managed it in the end by emptying petrol 236 00:12:00,981 --> 00:12:05,028 from some lighters onto it and making it set fire. 237 00:12:05,202 --> 00:12:08,379 They just had a box of matches and it wouldn't work, 238 00:12:08,553 --> 00:12:09,859 and I don't know, but anyway, 239 00:12:10,033 --> 00:12:12,296 but he got the idea 240 00:12:12,470 --> 00:12:16,126 that he wanted some sort of revolution. 241 00:12:16,300 --> 00:12:19,173 He didn't like hippies because he just thought 242 00:12:19,347 --> 00:12:22,437 they were soppy or whatever the word is. 243 00:12:22,611 --> 00:12:25,179 I know he really brought that phrase out 244 00:12:25,353 --> 00:12:27,921 when he got involved with Richard Branson, 245 00:12:28,095 --> 00:12:29,574 and that's when that came out 246 00:12:29,749 --> 00:12:32,708 because Richard Branson was a powerful person, 247 00:12:32,882 --> 00:12:34,405 and in fact he actually took over 248 00:12:34,579 --> 00:12:37,365 The Sex Pistols in the end when they all fell out. 249 00:12:39,019 --> 00:12:42,544 [person singing into cone] 250 00:12:43,806 --> 00:12:47,723 ["Peer Gynt Suite No. 1 Morning"] 251 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,598 - What's this hotel got to do with punk rock? 252 00:12:53,773 --> 00:12:55,339 Why are we in this flash hotel? 253 00:12:55,513 --> 00:12:56,471 It's jolly nice but it's got nothing to do with punk. 254 00:12:56,645 --> 00:12:57,515 - We always have a good time. 255 00:12:57,689 --> 00:12:58,603 It's to let go, isn't it? 256 00:12:58,778 --> 00:13:00,431 You know. 257 00:13:00,605 --> 00:13:03,652 - As part of the punk rock celebrations of punk London, 258 00:13:03,826 --> 00:13:06,742 40 years of "Anarchy in the UK," 259 00:13:06,916 --> 00:13:09,614 they are doing the Anarch-Tea. 260 00:13:10,702 --> 00:13:12,704 Part of their marketing department's- 261 00:13:12,879 --> 00:13:14,968 - One of the grandest hotels in the West End. 262 00:13:15,142 --> 00:13:17,100 - This is what they're putting on for everyone. 263 00:13:17,274 --> 00:13:19,929 - And that is where we got to, folks. 264 00:13:20,103 --> 00:13:24,238 Marco, they got one of your old singles on this cake stand. 265 00:13:24,412 --> 00:13:25,413 - [Alan] Horrible. 266 00:13:25,587 --> 00:13:26,762 - Adam Ant. 267 00:13:26,936 --> 00:13:28,285 - Is it? - "Stand and Deliver." 268 00:13:28,459 --> 00:13:29,286 - Really? 269 00:13:29,460 --> 00:13:30,157 Is it? 270 00:13:30,331 --> 00:13:31,593 - Yeah. 271 00:13:31,767 --> 00:13:32,681 That's where you've ended up, mate. 272 00:13:32,855 --> 00:13:34,074 You've ended up on a cake stand. 273 00:13:34,248 --> 00:13:35,815 [all laugh] 274 00:13:35,989 --> 00:13:38,121 You mustn't forget how funny Malcolm was. 275 00:13:38,295 --> 00:13:39,253 - He was hilarious. - Most of the time, 276 00:13:39,427 --> 00:13:40,950 he was laughing. 277 00:13:41,124 --> 00:13:43,735 Talk, laugh, and everyone was laughing with him, 278 00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:45,781 'cause he used to take us out 279 00:13:45,955 --> 00:13:47,522 and he'd be surrounded by a load of people 280 00:13:47,696 --> 00:13:50,394 in let's say the Green Man by Great Portland Street, 281 00:13:50,568 --> 00:13:52,744 having these ideas on the run, "And then, and then," 282 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:54,398 and laughing at his own ideas. 283 00:13:54,572 --> 00:13:55,573 It was sort of like a riff. 284 00:13:55,747 --> 00:13:56,748 - "You, write a song." 285 00:13:56,923 --> 00:13:57,837 "What?" 286 00:13:58,011 --> 00:14:00,274 "You, design some clothes now." 287 00:14:00,448 --> 00:14:01,623 - That's right. 288 00:14:01,797 --> 00:14:02,842 - "You, ride a motorcycle." 289 00:14:03,016 --> 00:14:04,191 "But I've never..." 290 00:14:04,365 --> 00:14:05,845 "Just do it." 291 00:14:06,019 --> 00:14:08,064 - Every Saturday we'd have the windows broken 292 00:14:08,238 --> 00:14:10,110 by the Teddy Boys going along and we never knew- 293 00:14:10,284 --> 00:14:11,589 - [Marco] And all the Chelsea fans- 294 00:14:11,763 --> 00:14:12,982 - And I'll always remember we used to 295 00:14:13,156 --> 00:14:14,288 put the grills on outside just to 296 00:14:14,462 --> 00:14:15,767 make sure it didn't happen. 297 00:14:15,942 --> 00:14:17,639 The one day we didn't was the day 298 00:14:17,813 --> 00:14:19,206 that they always got smashed in. 299 00:14:19,380 --> 00:14:20,598 And I always remember Vivienne was always 300 00:14:20,772 --> 00:14:22,557 sort of paying out bills, 301 00:14:22,731 --> 00:14:24,124 changing the glass. 302 00:14:24,298 --> 00:14:27,649 [glass shatters] [dramatic guitar music] 303 00:14:27,823 --> 00:14:29,303 - [Derek] What do you actually sell here? 304 00:14:30,173 --> 00:14:31,566 - Clothes. 305 00:14:31,740 --> 00:14:33,785 - These are cardigans you can see through. 306 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,657 The wool is. 307 00:14:35,831 --> 00:14:37,572 - [Vivienne] These restrict your arm movement somewhat. 308 00:14:39,052 --> 00:14:40,662 - [Derek] What's actually wrong with what I'm wearing? 309 00:14:40,836 --> 00:14:43,491 - Mate, you look so bloody boring, I cannot believe it. 310 00:14:43,665 --> 00:14:45,667 - [Derek] I agree with that, yes. 311 00:14:45,841 --> 00:14:47,669 - It's a question of how you feel. 312 00:14:47,843 --> 00:14:49,932 The point is to change yourself, and if you change- 313 00:14:50,106 --> 00:14:51,020 - [Derek] But why? 314 00:14:51,194 --> 00:14:52,369 Why does one have to change? 315 00:14:52,543 --> 00:14:53,414 - Because then you'll feel great. 316 00:14:53,588 --> 00:14:55,416 [discordant guitar music] 317 00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:57,897 What happened is that the police came 318 00:14:58,071 --> 00:15:00,203 and just raided all our T-shirts, 319 00:15:00,377 --> 00:15:02,727 and if anything had the word "fuck" on it, 320 00:15:02,902 --> 00:15:05,121 they took the lot of the T-shirts, 321 00:15:05,295 --> 00:15:09,604 put them all into bin liners, and put them all in their van. 322 00:15:09,778 --> 00:15:12,607 We had T-shirts telling you how to make bombs. 323 00:15:12,781 --> 00:15:13,695 They didn't take them. 324 00:15:13,869 --> 00:15:14,826 They only took the sex ones. 325 00:15:15,001 --> 00:15:16,480 I remember Malcolm saying, 326 00:15:16,654 --> 00:15:18,787 "If you'd have been in Paris with that shop, 327 00:15:18,961 --> 00:15:20,223 it would've been the opposite." 328 00:15:20,397 --> 00:15:22,399 As for the swastikas and everything, 329 00:15:22,573 --> 00:15:27,491 it was my complete antagonism to the older generation, 330 00:15:29,015 --> 00:15:30,799 and it was, "You're all terrible fascists anyway. 331 00:15:30,973 --> 00:15:33,323 We're not going to accept your values 332 00:15:33,497 --> 00:15:35,891 nor are we going to accept your taboos." 333 00:15:36,065 --> 00:15:40,983 And it was a way of putting that I accepted that swastika. 334 00:15:42,245 --> 00:15:43,377 What has happened that we got arrested 335 00:15:43,551 --> 00:15:45,466 for selling this T-shirt, 336 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,383 and myself and Malcolm defended it in court 337 00:15:49,557 --> 00:15:51,428 that it wasn't indecent, 338 00:15:51,602 --> 00:15:54,257 so the judge convicted us, 339 00:15:54,431 --> 00:15:58,479 and I can't remember what the first reason was, 340 00:15:58,653 --> 00:16:03,092 but it was that the penises were almost touching, 341 00:16:03,266 --> 00:16:05,051 therefore it was indecent. 342 00:16:06,878 --> 00:16:07,836 The first reason. 343 00:16:08,010 --> 00:16:09,664 The second reason was that. 344 00:16:09,838 --> 00:16:11,883 And the third reason was that one man 345 00:16:12,058 --> 00:16:14,408 was tying the other's necktie. 346 00:16:14,582 --> 00:16:16,540 So, they just empty the shelves, 347 00:16:16,714 --> 00:16:19,935 'cause lots of them had the word "fuck" on on them. 348 00:16:20,109 --> 00:16:21,937 And so I wouldn't stop printing them. 349 00:16:22,111 --> 00:16:23,765 I kept on printing them and printing them. 350 00:16:23,939 --> 00:16:25,549 - [Corre] I remember, yeah. 351 00:16:25,723 --> 00:16:27,377 - And they said, 352 00:16:27,551 --> 00:16:31,207 "If you do this anymore, you'll have to go to jail." 353 00:16:31,381 --> 00:16:34,863 [discordant guitar music] 354 00:16:35,037 --> 00:16:36,343 - There's the 40th anniversary 355 00:16:36,517 --> 00:16:37,822 of the start of the punk rock movement, 356 00:16:37,997 --> 00:16:39,563 a moment for celebration. 357 00:16:39,737 --> 00:16:41,696 There's even been a grant from the Heritage Fund 358 00:16:41,870 --> 00:16:43,437 to help them celebrate. 359 00:16:43,611 --> 00:16:45,787 But that and the supposed endorsement of the Queen 360 00:16:45,961 --> 00:16:47,615 and other establishment figures 361 00:16:47,789 --> 00:16:49,747 hasn't gone down very well with everyone. 362 00:16:49,921 --> 00:16:52,707 - You'll forget, in those days, 363 00:16:54,187 --> 00:16:56,189 you would be arrested for wearing those clothes. 364 00:16:57,407 --> 00:16:59,061 When The Sex Pistols were Number One, 365 00:16:59,235 --> 00:17:01,455 it was actually a blank on the charts 366 00:17:01,629 --> 00:17:05,024 because the establishment refused to recognize it. 367 00:17:05,198 --> 00:17:08,505 - Isn't that whole era of rebellion pretty anachronistic? 368 00:17:08,679 --> 00:17:11,160 It's passed into history and therefore, in a sense, 369 00:17:11,334 --> 00:17:13,032 it is a sort of museum piece, 370 00:17:13,206 --> 00:17:14,642 all the memorabilia. 371 00:17:14,816 --> 00:17:16,122 - Well, I don't know. 372 00:17:16,296 --> 00:17:17,514 I guess punk rock did become a bit of 373 00:17:17,688 --> 00:17:19,647 a tourist attraction a long time ago, 374 00:17:19,821 --> 00:17:21,083 but those things actually meant 375 00:17:21,257 --> 00:17:24,347 something much more deep to me. 376 00:17:24,521 --> 00:17:26,436 And I'd like to invite all the punk rockers 377 00:17:26,610 --> 00:17:28,177 and all the anarchists from all over the world 378 00:17:28,351 --> 00:17:31,006 to come here and burn the last fragments 379 00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:32,790 of what they've got, because, 380 00:17:32,964 --> 00:17:35,358 and I'd also like Boris Johnson to light the torch, 381 00:17:35,532 --> 00:17:38,013 and he should be quite into doing that 382 00:17:38,187 --> 00:17:39,667 because we all know 383 00:17:39,841 --> 00:17:41,408 that when he was head of The Bullingdon Club, 384 00:17:41,582 --> 00:17:44,715 his initiation ceremony was burning 50-pound notes 385 00:17:44,889 --> 00:17:46,195 in front of homeless people. 386 00:17:46,369 --> 00:17:47,979 - Joe Corre, thank you very much. 387 00:17:48,154 --> 00:17:50,591 I should just say the allegation about Boris Johnson 388 00:17:50,765 --> 00:17:53,289 burning 50-pound notes is just that, an allegation. 389 00:17:53,463 --> 00:17:54,377 Thank you very much for joining us. 390 00:17:54,551 --> 00:17:55,422 - Well, you would say that. 391 00:17:55,596 --> 00:17:57,815 [bright orchestral music] 392 00:17:57,989 --> 00:18:00,992 [suspenseful music] 393 00:18:02,429 --> 00:18:05,954 - Why is the establishment promoting anti-establishment? 394 00:18:06,128 --> 00:18:09,044 I think irony and contradiction 395 00:18:09,218 --> 00:18:13,266 are key components of what punk is about in London. 396 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,357 If the argument is kind of punk shouldn't be commodified, 397 00:18:18,749 --> 00:18:22,927 if it's saying punk shouldn't be put in museums, 398 00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:25,060 then I think you could say that 399 00:18:25,234 --> 00:18:27,671 about a number of other artifacts and things. 400 00:18:27,845 --> 00:18:29,369 - None of those involved in tonight's debates 401 00:18:29,543 --> 00:18:30,761 seem to have anything to do 402 00:18:30,935 --> 00:18:32,111 with the London punk scene today. 403 00:18:32,285 --> 00:18:34,200 Our program is bollocks. 404 00:18:34,374 --> 00:18:38,291 We are protesting against the corporate takeover of punk. 405 00:18:38,465 --> 00:18:40,031 Basically punk is a subculture 406 00:18:40,206 --> 00:18:41,946 that is constantly regenerated 407 00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:43,992 by every new generation that comes through. 408 00:18:44,166 --> 00:18:46,037 Every new young generation 409 00:18:46,212 --> 00:18:48,083 that discovers punk makes it their own. 410 00:18:48,257 --> 00:18:51,521 It's a fresh and vibrant music scene, a subculture, 411 00:18:51,695 --> 00:18:54,481 an artistic and political movement that constantly evolves, 412 00:18:54,655 --> 00:18:57,397 has continued throughout the last 40 years since the '70s. 413 00:18:57,571 --> 00:18:59,573 This yearlong exhibition of punk, 414 00:18:59,747 --> 00:19:01,140 which is state-sponsored, 415 00:19:01,314 --> 00:19:03,098 endorsed by Boris Johnson, of all people, 416 00:19:03,272 --> 00:19:04,795 and are funded by the National Lottery, 417 00:19:04,969 --> 00:19:07,885 goes against everything that punk was and punk is. 418 00:19:08,059 --> 00:19:11,019 Everything that is the essence of punk rebellion, 419 00:19:11,193 --> 00:19:12,760 street culture, 420 00:19:12,934 --> 00:19:14,588 doesn't have anything to do with being in a museum. 421 00:19:14,762 --> 00:19:15,719 It's to do with the streets. 422 00:19:15,893 --> 00:19:17,504 Punk should be on the streets. 423 00:19:17,678 --> 00:19:20,420 - [Host] Can you give a warm welcome to our chair and panel? 424 00:19:20,594 --> 00:19:21,334 Thank you. 425 00:19:21,508 --> 00:19:24,728 [attendees cheering] 426 00:19:24,902 --> 00:19:26,730 - Richard, 427 00:19:26,904 --> 00:19:28,515 why do you think people think that punk music in particular 428 00:19:28,689 --> 00:19:31,474 is bigger than history? 429 00:19:31,648 --> 00:19:33,041 - It's not bigger than history. 430 00:19:33,215 --> 00:19:34,477 It's part of history. 431 00:19:34,651 --> 00:19:36,044 You know, 432 00:19:36,218 --> 00:19:39,308 while we worry about Daesh bombing Palmyra, 433 00:19:39,482 --> 00:19:41,310 quite rightly worrying, 434 00:19:41,484 --> 00:19:46,402 equally we should worry about burning punk archives, sir. 435 00:19:47,011 --> 00:19:48,622 [audience claps] 436 00:19:48,796 --> 00:19:50,101 - Nevermind the bollocks. 437 00:19:50,276 --> 00:19:52,321 [audience laughs] 438 00:19:52,495 --> 00:19:56,195 - The thing is that if it's his to burn, 439 00:19:56,369 --> 00:19:57,283 it's his to burn. 440 00:19:57,457 --> 00:19:59,023 If you want to talk about punk, 441 00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:01,200 it's a talk about freedom 442 00:20:01,374 --> 00:20:04,464 and it's a talk about being individual 443 00:20:04,638 --> 00:20:08,163 and deciding your future for yourself. 444 00:20:08,337 --> 00:20:11,122 - Punk, to me, that's something that's dangerous, 445 00:20:11,297 --> 00:20:13,995 that can have an effect, that can actually change something, 446 00:20:14,169 --> 00:20:16,215 that can create a social change, 447 00:20:16,389 --> 00:20:19,479 and all it's becoming today is another conformity 448 00:20:19,653 --> 00:20:23,091 in another uniform that sits next to Beefeaters. 449 00:20:23,265 --> 00:20:27,313 And the whole thing could not work without the acquiescence 450 00:20:27,487 --> 00:20:30,838 of all these self-appointed experts that continue this myth. 451 00:20:31,012 --> 00:20:33,232 You can't tell this lie to young people. 452 00:20:33,406 --> 00:20:35,103 It's a lie. 453 00:20:35,277 --> 00:20:37,584 - Can I just say that I don't think any of you are punk. 454 00:20:37,758 --> 00:20:39,586 No, there are no punks in this room. 455 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,502 The only punk thing left about London 456 00:20:42,676 --> 00:20:44,243 as "The Guardian" know, as Joe knows, 457 00:20:44,417 --> 00:20:46,854 and everyone else in the room is WikiLeaks, right? 458 00:20:47,028 --> 00:20:50,031 It's the only thing punk left in London is Julian Assange. 459 00:20:50,205 --> 00:20:51,162 - I'll absolutely agree with you there. 460 00:20:51,337 --> 00:20:52,947 - [Lismore] And he's not here. 461 00:20:53,121 --> 00:20:54,862 - There was punk danger. 462 00:20:55,036 --> 00:20:56,603 There was a revolution. 463 00:20:56,777 --> 00:20:59,823 The establishment was shitting themselves, right? 464 00:20:59,997 --> 00:21:02,173 That doesn't happen anymore. 465 00:21:02,348 --> 00:21:03,044 - [Speaker] Thanks very much. Jennifer. 466 00:21:03,218 --> 00:21:04,524 [audience cheering] 467 00:21:04,698 --> 00:21:08,571 - You're here coining it in as a punk professor 468 00:21:08,745 --> 00:21:10,878 perpetuating this idea of young people, 469 00:21:11,052 --> 00:21:12,619 which I think is shameful, 470 00:21:12,793 --> 00:21:15,883 that somehow punk is still gonna get 'em out of this mess. 471 00:21:16,057 --> 00:21:18,189 - You want punk. - You know equality. 472 00:21:18,364 --> 00:21:20,496 You're establishment. 473 00:21:20,670 --> 00:21:23,107 So you can bind yourselves up. 474 00:21:24,065 --> 00:21:26,285 - Okay, punk, in it's first- 475 00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:28,983 Excuse me, everybody. 476 00:21:29,157 --> 00:21:30,724 - I don't know where the idea 477 00:21:30,898 --> 00:21:33,727 that interrupting is punk 'cause it's actually really rude. 478 00:21:35,337 --> 00:21:36,556 - They cut me off. 479 00:21:36,730 --> 00:21:39,123 [audience laughs] 480 00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:41,387 - You were a little kid when I first met you. 481 00:21:41,561 --> 00:21:42,779 You were down here, all right? 482 00:21:42,953 --> 00:21:44,303 [audience laughs] 483 00:21:44,477 --> 00:21:48,829 [panelists speaking over each other] 484 00:21:54,487 --> 00:21:55,357 - [Panel Peer] I'm taking this from him 485 00:21:55,531 --> 00:21:57,141 because he is being a bully. 486 00:21:57,316 --> 00:22:01,102 He's talking over me like, please, finish your thing. 487 00:22:02,495 --> 00:22:04,758 - [Bob] And you're listening to Resonance 104.4 FM. 488 00:22:04,932 --> 00:22:06,803 Mr. Joe Corre has joined us in the studio. 489 00:22:06,977 --> 00:22:09,284 - There's an opportunity- - Joe! 490 00:22:11,591 --> 00:22:13,462 There's a few other things going on 491 00:22:13,636 --> 00:22:15,290 in the world right now, man. 492 00:22:15,464 --> 00:22:18,249 - And I can't actually see any punk rockers standing up 493 00:22:18,424 --> 00:22:19,947 and saying anything about it. 494 00:22:20,121 --> 00:22:21,731 They're all kind of going along with this thing 495 00:22:21,905 --> 00:22:25,300 with their hands out for a bowl of gruel hoping to get a job 496 00:22:25,474 --> 00:22:29,173 kind of advising some museum or establishment or another 497 00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:31,132 about their collection or something. 498 00:22:33,264 --> 00:22:35,789 - He is destroying our youth culture. 499 00:22:35,963 --> 00:22:37,660 For him to burn something 500 00:22:37,834 --> 00:22:42,317 that's valued at five million pounds is utterly vulgar. 501 00:22:43,144 --> 00:22:45,755 [energetic rock music] 502 00:22:47,017 --> 00:22:51,370 - Where he's coming from is a whole bunch of hurt 503 00:22:51,544 --> 00:22:53,546 in himself and in his heart 504 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,939 and he's kind of expressing it in that way. 505 00:22:56,113 --> 00:22:58,812 He's kind of taken it really personally, 506 00:22:58,986 --> 00:23:03,947 but as I said, I think right from the start, 507 00:23:04,687 --> 00:23:06,472 punk was commodified, 508 00:23:06,646 --> 00:23:09,257 and his father was probably very much 509 00:23:09,431 --> 00:23:11,999 a part of that very process. 510 00:23:12,173 --> 00:23:16,743 And I've got a book which I've co-edited. 511 00:23:16,917 --> 00:23:19,615 It's an anthology and it's about punk 512 00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:22,879 and it's coming out next year in March. 513 00:23:23,053 --> 00:23:26,361 [dramatic guitar music] 514 00:23:28,058 --> 00:23:30,409 - This is Ray Gange, star of "Rude Boy." 515 00:23:30,583 --> 00:23:31,366 - How you doing? 516 00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:32,454 When it got announced, 517 00:23:32,628 --> 00:23:33,847 "Oh, the 40th anniversary," 518 00:23:34,021 --> 00:23:35,675 and the mayor's office were going 519 00:23:35,849 --> 00:23:37,851 to get involved in supporting it, 520 00:23:38,025 --> 00:23:42,290 and lots of, let's say, names from the old punk era 521 00:23:42,464 --> 00:23:44,074 were slagging that off and talking about 522 00:23:44,248 --> 00:23:46,555 how they weren't going to have anything to do with it. 523 00:23:46,729 --> 00:23:48,601 As events have gone on, 524 00:23:48,775 --> 00:23:50,994 they're all gradually participating in these events 525 00:23:51,168 --> 00:23:53,040 that they weren't going to have anything to do with. 526 00:23:53,214 --> 00:23:55,216 - [Nigel] What are they saying now? 527 00:23:55,390 --> 00:23:57,348 - "I wish I still had all my old stuff, 528 00:23:57,523 --> 00:23:58,915 'cause when he burns his, 529 00:23:59,089 --> 00:24:00,830 my stuff would've been worth more money." 530 00:24:01,004 --> 00:24:03,703 [dramatic music] 531 00:24:07,141 --> 00:24:08,534 - I knew The Sex Pistols, 532 00:24:08,708 --> 00:24:10,710 some of them more intimately than others. 533 00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:13,452 My then-boyfriend was the original bass player 534 00:24:13,626 --> 00:24:15,279 in Adam and the Ants. 535 00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,760 I was Adam's muse for quite a long time. 536 00:24:17,934 --> 00:24:20,676 But they didn't actually have a word for what was happening, 537 00:24:20,850 --> 00:24:23,070 so they said, "Boys in nails varnish, 538 00:24:23,244 --> 00:24:25,028 girls dressed as whores, 539 00:24:25,202 --> 00:24:28,379 and people who look a bit like Hell's Angels," 540 00:24:28,554 --> 00:24:30,077 and I thought that was fantastic 541 00:24:30,251 --> 00:24:33,646 because they were struggling to describe 542 00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:35,996 and contain what was happening. 543 00:24:36,170 --> 00:24:37,693 That was in October. 544 00:24:37,867 --> 00:24:39,216 Less than two months later, 545 00:24:39,390 --> 00:24:41,262 you had Bill Grundy, December the First, 546 00:24:41,436 --> 00:24:43,786 and suddenly you had a word, punk, 547 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,659 and you could shove that like a label onto it all, 548 00:24:46,833 --> 00:24:47,616 and that killed it. 549 00:24:47,790 --> 00:24:49,357 That was it. 550 00:24:49,531 --> 00:24:51,533 They could shove you in a pigeonhole, into a box. 551 00:24:51,707 --> 00:24:55,581 [Edward playing guitar melody] 552 00:25:01,761 --> 00:25:03,284 - Well, if some guy hadn't rang me up. 553 00:25:03,458 --> 00:25:05,895 He said, "You know The Sex Pistols are auditioning 554 00:25:06,069 --> 00:25:08,028 for a new singer, Ed?" 555 00:25:08,202 --> 00:25:08,985 I said, "No?" 556 00:25:10,117 --> 00:25:10,770 He says, "Yeah." 557 00:25:10,944 --> 00:25:12,206 I says, "When?" 558 00:25:12,380 --> 00:25:13,686 He said, "Tomorrow." I said, "Where?" 559 00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:15,122 He said, "The Duke of York's Theatre," 560 00:25:15,296 --> 00:25:16,036 or it's one of those West End theaters. 561 00:25:16,210 --> 00:25:17,428 I said, "What time?" 562 00:25:17,603 --> 00:25:19,256 He says, "11:30." 563 00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:21,215 I said, "Thanks, mate." 564 00:25:21,389 --> 00:25:22,129 'Cause it was in the "NME." 565 00:25:22,303 --> 00:25:23,652 I didn't see the ad. 566 00:25:23,826 --> 00:25:26,002 My heart was hammering ' cause I knew I'd get it 567 00:25:27,395 --> 00:25:29,615 'cause I was so full of... 568 00:25:29,789 --> 00:25:32,313 No one had the intensity that I had. 569 00:25:32,487 --> 00:25:34,837 Anyway, to cut a long story short, McLaren was said to me, 570 00:25:35,011 --> 00:25:37,318 "I want you to write a song called "Who Killed Bambi?" 571 00:25:37,492 --> 00:25:39,276 So, I was in my basement squat 572 00:25:39,450 --> 00:25:40,364 with damp running down the walls 573 00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:42,628 in Albany Street, Regents Park, 574 00:25:42,802 --> 00:25:43,890 with my guitar, 575 00:25:46,327 --> 00:25:48,242 trying to write a song called "Who Killed Bambi?" 576 00:25:48,416 --> 00:25:50,113 This was my first job. 577 00:25:50,287 --> 00:25:51,506 I thought, "This is nice. 578 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:52,507 How does he know I can write song?" 579 00:25:52,681 --> 00:25:53,987 There's a mark of respect. 580 00:25:54,161 --> 00:25:55,858 I was strumming away, and I thought, 581 00:25:56,032 --> 00:25:57,033 "Who killed Bambi? 582 00:25:57,207 --> 00:25:57,904 That's a good bit." 583 00:25:58,078 --> 00:25:58,992 I thought that. 584 00:25:59,166 --> 00:26:00,210 Right, that's one good bit, 585 00:26:00,384 --> 00:26:02,343 and he came 'round, and he said, 586 00:26:02,517 --> 00:26:03,300 "Well, I like that bit. 587 00:26:03,474 --> 00:26:04,475 I don't like the rest. 588 00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:05,955 I'll come back in four hours." 589 00:26:07,043 --> 00:26:08,741 So, I'm carrying on. 590 00:26:08,915 --> 00:26:10,525 And I thought, "One man went to mow. I could nick that." 591 00:26:10,699 --> 00:26:12,919 [sings indistinctly] 592 00:26:13,093 --> 00:26:15,704 So, that's where the tune came on, 593 00:26:15,878 --> 00:26:17,271 but the words, man, I couldn't. 594 00:26:17,445 --> 00:26:19,273 I mean, I didn't know what to write about. 595 00:26:20,709 --> 00:26:22,406 So, I wrote some words, which they weren't very good. 596 00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:24,887 So, Vivienne came 'round to check me out, 597 00:26:25,061 --> 00:26:29,936 and she improved my words dramatically. 598 00:26:31,459 --> 00:26:32,373 Some of them I wrote, but most of them she wrote, 599 00:26:32,547 --> 00:26:34,244 like "Gentle, pretty thing, 600 00:26:34,418 --> 00:26:35,942 you only had one spring. 601 00:26:36,116 --> 00:26:37,944 You bravely faced the world ready for anything. 602 00:26:39,206 --> 00:26:42,426 I'm happy that you lived and your life is mine. 603 00:26:43,514 --> 00:26:44,603 What have I except to cry. 604 00:26:44,777 --> 00:26:45,952 Spirit, never die." 605 00:26:46,126 --> 00:26:47,344 You know, they're her words. 606 00:26:47,518 --> 00:26:48,911 Right early on she said, 607 00:26:49,085 --> 00:26:50,957 "Create your own look and be original." 608 00:26:52,219 --> 00:26:54,395 And to me, that's still my favorite definition. 609 00:26:55,788 --> 00:26:58,399 But you know, go to Germany to a punk rock thing, 610 00:26:58,573 --> 00:26:59,748 they're all in uniform. 611 00:27:01,010 --> 00:27:01,924 You know, the Mohicans. 612 00:27:02,098 --> 00:27:03,839 It's strict dress code. 613 00:27:04,013 --> 00:27:06,450 The jackets, the studs. 614 00:27:07,930 --> 00:27:11,151 So, I go over, they said, "You're not ze punk." 615 00:27:11,325 --> 00:27:12,979 "Why no spikey hair?" 616 00:27:13,153 --> 00:27:14,807 You know. 617 00:27:14,981 --> 00:27:17,418 - Well, I was just thinking about this newspaper here, 618 00:27:17,592 --> 00:27:20,595 and it's dated Saturday, February the Third. 619 00:27:20,769 --> 00:27:22,553 I remember the day I woke up 620 00:27:22,728 --> 00:27:25,687 and Malcolm was just coming in 621 00:27:25,861 --> 00:27:28,124 through the front door with the paper, 622 00:27:28,298 --> 00:27:30,779 and he went like that. 623 00:27:30,953 --> 00:27:32,912 "Sid's dead. Sid's fucking dead." 624 00:27:33,086 --> 00:27:34,478 - Oh wow. - You know? 625 00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:36,567 "I told them, if you're gonna let him out, 626 00:27:36,742 --> 00:27:38,265 tell me first, 627 00:27:38,439 --> 00:27:39,701 'cause I knew that if you didn't tell me first, 628 00:27:39,875 --> 00:27:41,572 his mom would get him." 629 00:27:41,747 --> 00:27:42,878 What did his mom do? 630 00:27:43,052 --> 00:27:44,271 Took him out. 631 00:27:44,445 --> 00:27:45,881 He'd just got off heroin addiction 632 00:27:46,055 --> 00:27:48,405 by being put on methadone in prison. 633 00:27:48,579 --> 00:27:50,407 She took him out to a bloody party. 634 00:27:50,581 --> 00:27:53,584 Apparently, she gave him his usual dose of heroin, 635 00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:54,977 and it killed him, so. 636 00:27:55,151 --> 00:27:56,370 - She started him- - She's the one 637 00:27:56,544 --> 00:27:57,937 who killed him. - When he was 14. 638 00:27:58,111 --> 00:27:59,895 - She gave him his first thing. 639 00:28:00,069 --> 00:28:02,419 - [Ben] So concerned about his image and his public persona, 640 00:28:02,593 --> 00:28:04,465 she killed the poor fucker. 641 00:28:04,639 --> 00:28:07,294 - As a kid. I remember making these with him. 642 00:28:07,468 --> 00:28:08,599 - Can I just see what he's like? 643 00:28:08,774 --> 00:28:09,600 - Yeah, yeah. 644 00:28:09,775 --> 00:28:11,167 - Yeah, well that's it, 645 00:28:11,341 --> 00:28:12,908 'cause his hair should be all sticking out. 646 00:28:13,082 --> 00:28:16,782 And the thing is that this actually looks like Sid. 647 00:28:16,956 --> 00:28:18,914 It looks ever so much like him. 648 00:28:20,524 --> 00:28:23,876 - Bits of fake fur that we cut out into strips and glued on, 649 00:28:25,355 --> 00:28:28,097 but it was a girl doll and we melted the tits off 650 00:28:28,271 --> 00:28:29,664 with like a hot knife. - It's actually lost 651 00:28:29,838 --> 00:28:30,752 one little bit there. 652 00:28:30,926 --> 00:28:31,971 It needs a repair. 653 00:28:32,145 --> 00:28:34,930 Sid was completely immoral. 654 00:28:35,104 --> 00:28:37,846 He did not know the difference between right and wrong. 655 00:28:38,020 --> 00:28:41,545 He was highly intelligent, fantastic company, 656 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,374 sweet and lovely, as well as mad. 657 00:28:44,548 --> 00:28:48,161 Poor old Sid, I mean, he was his mother's victim. 658 00:28:48,335 --> 00:28:52,078 He was spoiled when he was young. 659 00:28:52,252 --> 00:28:53,819 Meaning spoiled like ruined. 660 00:28:53,993 --> 00:28:55,342 You know, he had no chance 661 00:28:56,735 --> 00:29:01,217 of somehow making the right choices in this world. 662 00:29:02,001 --> 00:29:02,915 He was finding out. 663 00:29:03,089 --> 00:29:04,525 He was finding out for sure. 664 00:29:06,092 --> 00:29:07,833 He was an affectionate person. 665 00:29:08,007 --> 00:29:09,399 - [Corre] Yeah, he was. 666 00:29:09,573 --> 00:29:10,923 - I don't want people to think 667 00:29:11,097 --> 00:29:14,317 that we're aggrandizing Sid in any way. 668 00:29:14,491 --> 00:29:15,971 I don't think they should. 669 00:29:16,145 --> 00:29:18,017 He's not a role model. 670 00:29:18,191 --> 00:29:19,670 That's the last thing he is. 671 00:29:19,845 --> 00:29:23,370 [solo trumpet plays] 672 00:29:27,722 --> 00:29:29,724 - Hey, there's no royal wedding this year. 673 00:29:29,898 --> 00:29:33,510 Instead, the establishment are celebrating anarchy. 674 00:29:33,684 --> 00:29:35,121 Think about it for a minute. 675 00:29:37,036 --> 00:29:38,733 - It's absurd. 676 00:29:38,907 --> 00:29:42,563 - It's an opportunity on a silver plate. 677 00:29:42,737 --> 00:29:44,043 We've got to take it. 678 00:29:45,087 --> 00:29:46,915 - What are we gonna do? 679 00:29:47,089 --> 00:29:48,656 - Money rules. 680 00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:50,701 We've got to attack the establishment. 681 00:29:50,876 --> 00:29:53,835 [suspenseful music] 682 00:29:54,009 --> 00:29:55,228 I've got an idea. 683 00:29:55,402 --> 00:29:58,013 Let's create a spectacle to wake them up. 684 00:29:58,187 --> 00:30:00,407 The media is going to love it. 685 00:30:01,582 --> 00:30:04,019 Oh, but the people are going to hate us. 686 00:30:05,238 --> 00:30:07,109 - We don't care about what people think of us. 687 00:30:07,283 --> 00:30:08,937 - They don't think of us anyway. 688 00:30:11,026 --> 00:30:13,115 - Let's go talk to the old punk upstairs. 689 00:30:13,289 --> 00:30:16,292 He made millions out of women's knickers. 690 00:30:16,466 --> 00:30:18,860 [children yelling] 691 00:30:21,863 --> 00:30:23,517 - So, you want to create a spectacle 692 00:30:23,691 --> 00:30:25,040 and wake everybody up? 693 00:30:28,304 --> 00:30:31,307 If you want to grab people's attention, 694 00:30:31,481 --> 00:30:34,702 you've got to destroy parts of their value system 695 00:30:34,876 --> 00:30:36,791 in front of their eyes. 696 00:30:36,965 --> 00:30:39,707 - How do we really celebrate punk anarchy? 697 00:30:41,709 --> 00:30:44,407 - Burn the acetate of "Anarchy in the UK," 698 00:30:44,581 --> 00:30:47,367 the only one ever recorded. 699 00:30:47,541 --> 00:30:49,760 - It could be worth millions. 700 00:30:49,935 --> 00:30:52,676 - Their shock will first turn to anger 701 00:30:52,851 --> 00:30:54,461 and soon become hatred. 702 00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:57,420 Now they're all ears. 703 00:30:57,594 --> 00:31:00,336 [dramatic music] 704 00:31:05,951 --> 00:31:08,823 [record squealing] 705 00:31:16,178 --> 00:31:19,878 - Well, yes, I've done PR for Joe for quite some time. 706 00:31:20,052 --> 00:31:21,705 You know, "Malcolm's son burns 707 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,099 five million pounds worth of punk memorabilia, 708 00:31:24,273 --> 00:31:25,013 bum-bum-bum-bum," 709 00:31:25,187 --> 00:31:26,797 that sort of thing, 710 00:31:26,972 --> 00:31:28,277 and I think I laced it with a few fuck-words as well 711 00:31:28,451 --> 00:31:29,844 and I may have slightly over-exaggerated 712 00:31:30,018 --> 00:31:31,759 and said the Queen was backing punk London. 713 00:31:31,933 --> 00:31:35,981 [dramatic classical piano music] 714 00:31:40,681 --> 00:31:41,595 It was the perfect storm. 715 00:31:41,769 --> 00:31:43,031 You got a bit of celebrity, 716 00:31:43,205 --> 00:31:44,511 Joe being Vivienne and Malcolm's son, 717 00:31:44,685 --> 00:31:47,035 and a complete act of anarchy, 718 00:31:47,209 --> 00:31:49,298 true to form by the son of Malcolm McLaren. 719 00:31:49,472 --> 00:31:50,865 We hadn't even really thought 720 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:52,693 whether he was really gonna do it or not. 721 00:31:52,867 --> 00:31:55,391 We just said, "We're gonna say we're going to do it." 722 00:31:55,565 --> 00:31:57,567 I think he might have thought he was going to do it. 723 00:31:57,741 --> 00:31:59,004 I hoped he was gonna do it. 724 00:31:59,178 --> 00:32:00,483 But anyway, it didn't really matter. 725 00:32:00,657 --> 00:32:01,702 We thought this was a bloody good story 726 00:32:01,876 --> 00:32:03,356 so we put it out there. 727 00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:04,618 Not sure if anyone was going to run it or not, 728 00:32:04,792 --> 00:32:06,446 but anyway, off it went, 729 00:32:06,620 --> 00:32:07,708 and just went [makes explosion sound] like a mushroom, 730 00:32:07,882 --> 00:32:09,275 like a nuclear mushroom, 731 00:32:09,449 --> 00:32:11,451 global, absolutely global straightaway, 732 00:32:11,625 --> 00:32:13,018 which is the sort of essence of the media. 733 00:32:13,192 --> 00:32:16,717 [discordant guitar music] 734 00:32:17,892 --> 00:32:18,806 - I thought it'd be quite a good idea 735 00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:20,286 to put together a coverage book, 736 00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:22,766 and that's basically an industry PR tool 737 00:32:22,941 --> 00:32:25,856 that helps you to see how far and wide a story is traveling. 738 00:32:26,031 --> 00:32:27,902 It's traveled internationally 739 00:32:28,076 --> 00:32:31,166 to 1.91 billion people have reviewed this story. 740 00:32:31,340 --> 00:32:33,299 It's just amazing to see how fast it's traveled 741 00:32:33,473 --> 00:32:36,737 without research and without proper due diligence. 742 00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:40,045 I think the hatred is really unnecessary, 743 00:32:40,219 --> 00:32:41,872 and the fact that it's gone international now 744 00:32:42,047 --> 00:32:44,397 and he's got an international hate campaign against him. 745 00:32:44,571 --> 00:32:46,181 - You know, 746 00:32:46,355 --> 00:32:47,748 this now belongs to the cultural heritage of London, 747 00:32:47,922 --> 00:32:49,489 this bloody theme park, 748 00:32:49,663 --> 00:32:51,012 and let's not pretend that this 749 00:32:51,186 --> 00:32:55,277 was all some kind of joyous cultural movement 750 00:32:55,451 --> 00:32:58,237 that the establishment embraced and wanted to own. 751 00:32:58,411 --> 00:33:00,065 I mean, you know, 752 00:33:00,239 --> 00:33:02,632 the mayor of the London at the time or the equivalent, 753 00:33:02,806 --> 00:33:05,592 the head of the GLA, the Greater London Authority, 754 00:33:05,766 --> 00:33:09,335 suggested that the best thing to do with punk rock 755 00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:12,251 was to dig a bloody great hole and bury everybody in it. 756 00:33:12,425 --> 00:33:13,643 - I think most of these groups 757 00:33:13,817 --> 00:33:15,645 would be vastly improved by a sudden death. 758 00:33:15,819 --> 00:33:19,301 I would like to see somebody dig a very, very large, 759 00:33:19,475 --> 00:33:22,087 exceedingly deep hole and drop the whole bloody lot down it. 760 00:33:22,261 --> 00:33:23,784 You know, 761 00:33:23,958 --> 00:33:25,264 I think the whole world will be vastly improved 762 00:33:25,438 --> 00:33:27,048 by their total and utter nonexistence. 763 00:33:28,528 --> 00:33:30,269 - I'm just saying if you're going to talk about nostalgia, 764 00:33:30,443 --> 00:33:32,053 let's talk about the truth. 765 00:33:32,227 --> 00:33:34,882 Let's talk about the fact that people got beaten up 766 00:33:35,056 --> 00:33:37,450 and stabbed and cut up for being a punk rocker 767 00:33:37,624 --> 00:33:40,061 or spat on or kicked in. 768 00:33:40,235 --> 00:33:42,977 I don't think what it should be is castrated, 769 00:33:43,151 --> 00:33:44,457 sanitized, neutered, 770 00:33:44,631 --> 00:33:49,549 and boxed up as a lie to sell to younger people 771 00:33:50,724 --> 00:33:52,291 and try and pretend that it's cool 772 00:33:52,465 --> 00:33:55,772 and that that version, that sanitized, 773 00:33:55,946 --> 00:33:59,254 harmless version is something that 774 00:33:59,428 --> 00:34:00,908 we should all now feel belongs 775 00:34:01,082 --> 00:34:02,823 to the culture of this nation. 776 00:34:02,997 --> 00:34:05,347 I just think it's ridiculous and a lie. 777 00:34:05,521 --> 00:34:06,827 - And how do you know it's worth five million? 778 00:34:07,001 --> 00:34:08,220 Is it definitely worth five million? 779 00:34:08,394 --> 00:34:10,048 - Well, it's an interesting point, 780 00:34:10,222 --> 00:34:12,311 and I think part of this is to have that conversation 781 00:34:12,485 --> 00:34:14,835 about the difference between price and value. 782 00:34:16,054 --> 00:34:18,839 You know, we all know the price of a house, 783 00:34:19,013 --> 00:34:20,971 but do we know the value of a home? 784 00:34:23,017 --> 00:34:26,847 - There's no link anymore between money and value. 785 00:34:27,021 --> 00:34:28,501 - What does value mean? 786 00:34:28,675 --> 00:34:30,503 Do I have any? 787 00:34:30,677 --> 00:34:32,113 - Well, I'm not sure. 788 00:34:33,027 --> 00:34:34,811 Let's think about it. 789 00:34:34,985 --> 00:34:38,598 [dramatic orchestral music] 790 00:34:39,860 --> 00:34:41,905 - The difference between culture and consumption 791 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,301 is that consumption is about sucking things up, 792 00:34:46,475 --> 00:34:48,260 opinions, the lot. 793 00:34:48,434 --> 00:34:51,001 Culture is about investing in the world. 794 00:34:51,176 --> 00:34:52,612 You get out what you put in. 795 00:34:52,786 --> 00:34:54,266 You've got to try and understand the world. 796 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,702 You've got to think. 797 00:34:55,876 --> 00:34:57,443 You've got to see your way through. 798 00:34:57,617 --> 00:34:59,836 You've got to compare what people did in the past, 799 00:35:00,010 --> 00:35:01,403 what they had to say, 800 00:35:01,577 --> 00:35:03,536 with what people are doing today to know 801 00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:04,885 who are human beings? 802 00:35:05,059 --> 00:35:05,886 What are we? 803 00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:07,409 Get an overview. 804 00:35:07,583 --> 00:35:09,542 You never ever get an overview 805 00:35:09,716 --> 00:35:13,415 of anything in today's consumption media. 806 00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:14,373 Never. 807 00:35:15,852 --> 00:35:16,766 - [Reporter] Joe, do you have any doubts about this? 808 00:35:16,940 --> 00:35:18,507 At any point did you think, 809 00:35:18,681 --> 00:35:20,509 "Hang on, this is an act of historical vandalism"? 810 00:35:21,597 --> 00:35:23,121 - No, because I think that 811 00:35:23,295 --> 00:35:27,603 these items represent something that was very heroic. 812 00:35:27,777 --> 00:35:32,042 This ending for them is an heroic act. 813 00:35:32,217 --> 00:35:35,394 - Did it not occur to you to maybe donate stuff to charity 814 00:35:35,568 --> 00:35:37,744 or use some way of raising money towards a cause? 815 00:35:37,918 --> 00:35:42,488 - I have witnessed the selloff of every asset 816 00:35:42,662 --> 00:35:44,403 that this country ever owned. 817 00:35:44,577 --> 00:35:48,494 The job of the state is now taken up 818 00:35:48,668 --> 00:35:51,801 by the charitable sector. 819 00:35:51,975 --> 00:35:53,673 You have charities where people 820 00:35:53,847 --> 00:35:58,591 are earning 250 grand a year to sit on the board. 821 00:35:58,765 --> 00:36:00,245 This whole thing is a process, 822 00:36:00,419 --> 00:36:02,421 and the stage we are at now 823 00:36:02,595 --> 00:36:04,901 is about winding the media up, 824 00:36:05,075 --> 00:36:07,252 and that's what they want to talk about. 825 00:36:07,426 --> 00:36:08,862 Let's give it to 'em. 826 00:36:09,036 --> 00:36:12,039 You want to talk about my father's manipulation 827 00:36:12,213 --> 00:36:15,216 of media or industry. 828 00:36:16,086 --> 00:36:17,610 At the time, 829 00:36:17,784 --> 00:36:21,091 in order to kind of cut through all the crap, 830 00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:25,879 he was very influenced by the Situationists 831 00:36:26,053 --> 00:36:28,142 and Guy Debord and people like that. 832 00:36:28,316 --> 00:36:32,799 And yeah, certainly he used all of those um, 833 00:36:33,843 --> 00:36:34,931 all of those devices. 834 00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:39,153 - Malcolm hated the establishment 835 00:36:39,327 --> 00:36:41,199 because they're hypocrites. 836 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,462 Let's start again. 837 00:36:43,636 --> 00:36:44,898 Let's have anarchy. 838 00:36:45,072 --> 00:36:46,508 Destroy the past. 839 00:36:46,682 --> 00:36:49,119 That's where he was coming from. 840 00:36:49,294 --> 00:36:53,036 And I think this 1968 student movement 841 00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:55,691 that swept through Europe at the time 842 00:36:55,865 --> 00:36:57,476 was what that was about. 843 00:36:57,650 --> 00:37:00,870 We don't want your education. 844 00:37:01,044 --> 00:37:02,089 And therefore, 845 00:37:02,263 --> 00:37:05,353 I think the song that summed up 846 00:37:05,527 --> 00:37:07,442 the punk movement better than any other 847 00:37:07,616 --> 00:37:10,489 was from The Sex Pistols' Glen Matlock. 848 00:37:10,663 --> 00:37:12,665 He wrote it and it said, 849 00:37:12,839 --> 00:37:14,841 "We are so pretty, 850 00:37:15,015 --> 00:37:18,975 pretty vacant, and we don't care." 851 00:37:19,149 --> 00:37:20,673 And we were pretty. 852 00:37:20,847 --> 00:37:24,198 We were gorgeous and we were vacant. 853 00:37:25,417 --> 00:37:27,027 How you ever going to convince people 854 00:37:27,201 --> 00:37:29,029 that this is worth even a million pound, 855 00:37:29,203 --> 00:37:30,683 'cause you haven't got anything 856 00:37:30,857 --> 00:37:34,077 that's really anything but a bit of old stuff. 857 00:37:34,252 --> 00:37:35,992 - A bit of old stuff can be expensive. 858 00:37:36,166 --> 00:37:38,430 [dramatic electric guitar strum] 859 00:37:38,604 --> 00:37:41,041 ♪ When Johnny comes marching home ♪ 860 00:37:41,215 --> 00:37:43,043 ♪ When Johnny comes marching home ♪ 861 00:37:43,217 --> 00:37:45,785 - The public need a price before they get angry. 862 00:37:45,959 --> 00:37:48,222 - We need an expert to put a value on it. 863 00:37:49,876 --> 00:37:52,052 - For me, the special piece is the suit. 864 00:37:52,226 --> 00:37:53,706 But obviously, the Venus. 865 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,664 Again, a very well-documented piece. 866 00:37:55,838 --> 00:37:58,711 Why not go for a hundred, 100,000? 867 00:37:58,885 --> 00:38:00,930 - As far as I remember, 868 00:38:01,104 --> 00:38:05,544 at one point this was put into a photo frame on the wall 869 00:38:05,718 --> 00:38:10,636 along with three other completely iconic T-shirts, 870 00:38:11,811 --> 00:38:12,855 and this was the fourth- - Yeah, I remember. 871 00:38:13,029 --> 00:38:14,117 - Iconic one. 872 00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:15,031 - Yeah. - And Sid Vicious 873 00:38:15,205 --> 00:38:16,642 came in one day, 874 00:38:16,816 --> 00:38:18,948 smashed the glass, and took this off. 875 00:38:19,122 --> 00:38:21,037 I worked with Malcolm on this. 876 00:38:21,211 --> 00:38:22,909 It was his idea to put 877 00:38:23,083 --> 00:38:27,392 the bike tire on the shoulders. 878 00:38:27,566 --> 00:38:29,394 - I think the beauty of pieces like this 879 00:38:29,568 --> 00:38:31,570 is that you see, in a way, 880 00:38:31,744 --> 00:38:33,659 you see the birth of Vivienne Westwood. 881 00:38:33,833 --> 00:38:38,707 You see her being a bricklayer and taking various, 882 00:38:39,969 --> 00:38:42,276 you know, the bike tire, the studs. 883 00:38:42,450 --> 00:38:45,975 You've got the birth of, shall we say, punk clothing. 884 00:38:46,149 --> 00:38:47,977 Every piece is unique. 885 00:38:48,151 --> 00:38:49,544 Vivienne wore it. 886 00:38:49,718 --> 00:38:50,893 We know it's Joe's. 887 00:38:51,067 --> 00:38:51,851 It's special. 888 00:38:52,025 --> 00:38:53,287 We've got to be talking, 889 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,985 in the right hands, 890 00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:58,074 probably to a museum, half a million. 891 00:38:58,248 --> 00:38:59,162 You could go higher. 892 00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:00,642 You could go to a million. 893 00:39:00,816 --> 00:39:03,166 - So, this might very well be my jacket 894 00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:05,430 that was once stolen from me. 895 00:39:05,604 --> 00:39:06,822 I could try it on if you like. 896 00:39:06,996 --> 00:39:07,823 But yeah. 897 00:39:10,304 --> 00:39:11,392 'Cause I wore this all the time. 898 00:39:11,566 --> 00:39:14,003 I had very few clothes. 899 00:39:14,177 --> 00:39:16,484 I'm not an acquisitive person. 900 00:39:16,658 --> 00:39:21,446 I try not to take clothes even from my own collection. 901 00:39:22,534 --> 00:39:23,448 So, as I said, 902 00:39:23,622 --> 00:39:24,927 I think this is a jacket 903 00:39:25,101 --> 00:39:26,842 that was probably stolen from me once. 904 00:39:27,016 --> 00:39:28,017 - [Corre] Yeah, but what was that bunk? 905 00:39:28,191 --> 00:39:29,802 - By Malcolm's girlfriend. 906 00:39:29,976 --> 00:39:32,544 But yeah, he sent her around to take all my clothes. 907 00:39:32,718 --> 00:39:34,328 He was jealous. 908 00:39:34,502 --> 00:39:36,722 He didn't want me to have access to my own designs. 909 00:39:36,896 --> 00:39:38,985 That was what it was all about. 910 00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:41,030 - I mean, the beauty is this is Joe's, 911 00:39:41,204 --> 00:39:43,816 so nobody's going to question that. 912 00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:46,514 That does make the prices rocket. 913 00:39:47,646 --> 00:39:48,690 Yeah, why not? 914 00:39:48,864 --> 00:39:49,735 Why not? 915 00:39:49,909 --> 00:39:50,692 It could go five million. 916 00:39:50,866 --> 00:39:51,737 Maybe it's 10 million. 917 00:39:51,911 --> 00:39:53,695 There's no reason why not. 918 00:39:53,869 --> 00:39:57,960 It about who wants it, why they're buying it. 919 00:39:59,527 --> 00:40:02,922 If he was ever to sell it or if he's going burn it, 920 00:40:03,096 --> 00:40:04,706 burn it, fine. 921 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,142 I think that would actually act as 922 00:40:06,316 --> 00:40:08,493 a very nice end to the whole chapter. 923 00:40:08,667 --> 00:40:11,147 It would absolutely also upset a lot of people. 924 00:40:11,321 --> 00:40:13,280 That would be very punk in its own way. 925 00:40:13,454 --> 00:40:14,934 I like that idea. 926 00:40:15,108 --> 00:40:16,022 - You know, Boy George. 927 00:40:16,196 --> 00:40:17,676 He made his own bondage things. 928 00:40:17,850 --> 00:40:19,199 He copied them. 929 00:40:19,373 --> 00:40:20,983 He just bought some tartan and made them 930 00:40:21,157 --> 00:40:24,160 for less money than we charged. 931 00:40:24,334 --> 00:40:26,424 - I'm the person that sold, what is it? 932 00:40:26,598 --> 00:40:30,340 Apparently 80,000 pounds worth of clothing 933 00:40:30,515 --> 00:40:32,691 that was all fake. 934 00:40:32,865 --> 00:40:34,693 I don't blame Malcolm if he went along 935 00:40:34,867 --> 00:40:35,824 and said it was all fake. 936 00:40:35,998 --> 00:40:36,999 That's very Malcolm. 937 00:40:37,173 --> 00:40:38,044 - Yeah. Yeah. 938 00:40:38,218 --> 00:40:39,001 - It's kind of amusing. 939 00:40:39,175 --> 00:40:40,873 - And how would he know? 940 00:40:41,047 --> 00:40:42,440 [laughs] 941 00:40:42,614 --> 00:40:43,876 - Well, you could say, how would he know? 942 00:40:44,050 --> 00:40:45,399 Let's face it. 943 00:40:45,573 --> 00:40:46,966 He wasn't sitting down making this stuff. 944 00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:48,707 - He was in the office running The Sex Pistols. 945 00:40:48,881 --> 00:40:50,230 - Exactly. 946 00:40:50,404 --> 00:40:52,450 - But that looks like an original thing. 947 00:40:53,799 --> 00:40:55,017 That zip's not, is it? 948 00:40:55,191 --> 00:40:56,671 - No, it doesn't look right to me. 949 00:40:56,845 --> 00:40:58,151 - No, it's not an original thing. 950 00:40:58,325 --> 00:40:59,892 I don't know what it is. 951 00:41:00,066 --> 00:41:01,720 It's got our label on it. 952 00:41:01,894 --> 00:41:02,938 That's not ours. - That doesn't really 953 00:41:03,112 --> 00:41:04,418 mean much, I'm afraid. 954 00:41:04,592 --> 00:41:06,202 There's so many people doing funny copies, and- 955 00:41:06,376 --> 00:41:07,726 - Really? 956 00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:09,205 - They make the labels and everything. 957 00:41:09,379 --> 00:41:10,250 They do. 958 00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,080 Japan and funny places. 959 00:41:14,254 --> 00:41:16,604 People have been making those things for years. 960 00:41:16,778 --> 00:41:17,823 - But you've got several companies. 961 00:41:17,997 --> 00:41:20,390 You've got 666, Aced or Robot, 962 00:41:20,565 --> 00:41:24,264 Peel & Lift, AFFA, KS Corporation. 963 00:41:24,438 --> 00:41:26,788 They're just producing this stuff every day, 964 00:41:26,962 --> 00:41:29,443 and have they ever given 965 00:41:29,617 --> 00:41:31,750 any money to Vivienne in the years when she was struggling? 966 00:41:31,924 --> 00:41:32,707 - [Corre] No. No. 967 00:41:32,881 --> 00:41:34,448 - No. - None. 968 00:41:34,622 --> 00:41:36,276 Not to Vivienne, not to charity, not to anything. 969 00:41:36,450 --> 00:41:38,496 - And they claim they have permission from her to do it. 970 00:41:38,670 --> 00:41:39,932 Well, they don't. 971 00:41:40,106 --> 00:41:44,589 - I guess the one person who really does know 972 00:41:44,763 --> 00:41:48,070 all the truth about what's original, 973 00:41:48,244 --> 00:41:49,724 what's authentic is Vivienne, 974 00:41:49,898 --> 00:41:51,987 and she's completely bored shitless by it. 975 00:41:52,161 --> 00:41:53,467 - Of course. - You know. 976 00:41:53,641 --> 00:41:55,251 But in that sense as well, 977 00:41:55,425 --> 00:41:57,471 it therefore allows other people to step in and go, 978 00:41:57,645 --> 00:41:58,603 "Well if she's bored of it, 979 00:41:58,777 --> 00:42:00,126 that's all right, but I'm not, 980 00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:01,954 and I'm therefore going to spend my life 981 00:42:02,128 --> 00:42:03,042 looking at all these details that 982 00:42:03,216 --> 00:42:05,827 are of no importance to her, 983 00:42:06,001 --> 00:42:08,482 but they're important to everyone else" about her. 984 00:42:08,656 --> 00:42:11,137 But at the same time, because of that, 985 00:42:11,311 --> 00:42:12,355 it's almost like they don't want 986 00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:14,444 to give her any credit for it, 987 00:42:14,619 --> 00:42:17,099 because let's give Malcolm credit for it, 988 00:42:17,273 --> 00:42:19,493 because then that allows us to kind of 989 00:42:19,667 --> 00:42:23,889 exist within this space and have some sort of authority. 990 00:42:24,063 --> 00:42:25,325 - Malcolm, particularly when he was alive, 991 00:42:25,499 --> 00:42:27,545 he always sidelined her. 992 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,285 He did it all by himself. 993 00:42:29,459 --> 00:42:31,287 It's all his idea. 994 00:42:31,461 --> 00:42:33,855 - I do think that later on he became very bitter about her, 995 00:42:34,029 --> 00:42:36,728 and the idea that somehow Vivienne 996 00:42:36,902 --> 00:42:39,557 had taken all his ideas and made a success happen, 997 00:42:39,731 --> 00:42:43,212 which was just a megalomaniac thing to think, 998 00:42:43,386 --> 00:42:45,867 and he kind of portrayed her like that in public. 999 00:42:46,041 --> 00:42:48,566 Kind of wanted to belittle her in that way, 1000 00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:51,743 and it was just a bit cruel, but that's, you know. 1001 00:42:51,917 --> 00:42:55,573 [dramatic orchestral music] 1002 00:42:58,053 --> 00:42:59,968 - There we are, get your hat. 1003 00:43:00,142 --> 00:43:03,276 [dramatic orchestral music] 1004 00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:07,715 ["When Johnny Comes Marching Home"] 1005 00:43:17,203 --> 00:43:18,552 - Find them kids. 1006 00:43:20,293 --> 00:43:21,555 - [Commentator] No one who's part of 1007 00:43:21,729 --> 00:43:23,818 the right-wing elite of this country 1008 00:43:23,992 --> 00:43:25,690 should ever lay claim to punk rock. 1009 00:43:25,864 --> 00:43:27,256 They don't have the right to, 1010 00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:28,780 so if they're gonna get their paws on it, 1011 00:43:28,954 --> 00:43:30,303 then fucking burn that, do you know what I mean? 1012 00:43:30,477 --> 00:43:31,913 Never forget what they actually represent. 1013 00:43:32,087 --> 00:43:34,133 Well, his parents spearheaded the movement, 1014 00:43:34,307 --> 00:43:36,048 so if they're not happy about 1015 00:43:37,223 --> 00:43:39,878 the current political climate 1016 00:43:40,052 --> 00:43:42,402 and how people are trying to manipulate punk rock, 1017 00:43:42,576 --> 00:43:47,537 then let them do what they see fit for future generations. 1018 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,236 Youth today have united in a way which basically 1019 00:43:50,410 --> 00:43:55,067 they all understand that they exist 1020 00:43:55,241 --> 00:43:57,591 outside of the system that's handed to them. 1021 00:43:57,765 --> 00:43:59,114 So, you know, 1022 00:43:59,288 --> 00:44:00,507 I think whether you're skating in places 1023 00:44:00,681 --> 00:44:02,335 you're not meant to, 1024 00:44:02,509 --> 00:44:03,989 whether you're painting on places you're not meant to, 1025 00:44:04,163 --> 00:44:05,817 or whether you're spitting bars on grime beats, 1026 00:44:05,991 --> 00:44:07,993 you all carry a punk rock attitude 1027 00:44:08,167 --> 00:44:10,996 that's kind of come through the ages. 1028 00:44:12,693 --> 00:44:13,955 - If someone's passed away, 1029 00:44:14,129 --> 00:44:15,609 they don't have a say in it anymore, 1030 00:44:15,783 --> 00:44:19,221 and I think as Malcolm McLaren's son, 1031 00:44:19,395 --> 00:44:21,484 he's in a position to say, "No, fuck you," 1032 00:44:21,659 --> 00:44:22,747 whereas other people might not. 1033 00:44:22,921 --> 00:44:23,661 Who knows? 1034 00:44:23,835 --> 00:44:25,314 Do you know what I mean? 1035 00:44:25,488 --> 00:44:26,707 Maybe other people from the original punk era 1036 00:44:26,881 --> 00:44:28,143 might not step in and do anything, 1037 00:44:28,317 --> 00:44:29,623 and Boris Johnson just parades around 1038 00:44:29,797 --> 00:44:31,581 like he's all for punk rock and shit, 1039 00:44:31,756 --> 00:44:34,628 so I don't think you can really tell him what to do. 1040 00:44:34,802 --> 00:44:37,892 It's his family's personal items. 1041 00:44:38,066 --> 00:44:39,807 - The stuff that I do now has got 1042 00:44:39,981 --> 00:44:41,635 a chance to last for a bit. 1043 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,072 You know, five, 10 years. 1044 00:44:44,246 --> 00:44:45,465 You know, spray paint, it's going to fade. 1045 00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:47,119 Someone's going to paint over it. 1046 00:44:47,293 --> 00:44:48,729 You know, a graffiti like that across the road 1047 00:44:48,903 --> 00:44:51,123 is going to last for like five minutes. 1048 00:44:51,297 --> 00:44:52,864 You know, Joe burning the stuff, 1049 00:44:53,038 --> 00:44:54,779 it's not meant to last forever. 1050 00:44:54,953 --> 00:44:58,478 [bright orchestral music] 1051 00:45:02,264 --> 00:45:05,224 [suspenseful music] 1052 00:45:13,754 --> 00:45:15,669 [footsteps landing] 1053 00:45:15,843 --> 00:45:20,152 ["When Johnny Comes Marching Home"] 1054 00:45:25,461 --> 00:45:26,724 - [Escapee] He's coming! Come on! 1055 00:45:26,898 --> 00:45:30,858 ["When Johnny Comes Marching Home"] 1056 00:45:49,007 --> 00:45:51,836 [children panting] 1057 00:45:56,188 --> 00:45:57,232 - We're free. 1058 00:45:58,668 --> 00:45:59,495 Now what? 1059 00:46:00,758 --> 00:46:03,021 - There's nowhere to run. 1060 00:46:03,195 --> 00:46:06,546 - We have to get everyone together and make a plan. 1061 00:46:08,635 --> 00:46:12,247 [dramatic orchestral music] 1062 00:46:21,169 --> 00:46:22,997 [energetic electronic music] 1063 00:46:23,171 --> 00:46:26,044 - We're from the youth media organization Fully Focused. 1064 00:46:26,218 --> 00:46:27,741 We're all about representation 1065 00:46:27,915 --> 00:46:29,525 and young people having the platforms. 1066 00:46:29,699 --> 00:46:31,919 - So, we're just trying to jump this idea 1067 00:46:32,093 --> 00:46:34,879 that sometimes escaping something 1068 00:46:35,053 --> 00:46:36,663 is not always the best solution, 1069 00:46:36,837 --> 00:46:37,969 'cause you need to know about this, 1070 00:46:38,143 --> 00:46:39,753 'cause if you don't, 1071 00:46:39,927 --> 00:46:42,538 you just become ignorant and then you're just stuck. 1072 00:46:42,712 --> 00:46:46,194 - Some of the solutions that we found for our future 1073 00:46:46,368 --> 00:46:48,109 are things like the government really 1074 00:46:48,283 --> 00:46:52,200 getting a grip with corporation tax avoidance. 1075 00:46:52,374 --> 00:46:53,593 Distractions. 1076 00:46:53,767 --> 00:46:55,464 We live in a world of social media 1077 00:46:55,638 --> 00:46:59,251 where it is so easy to get distracted away from the truth 1078 00:46:59,425 --> 00:47:01,644 and away from the things that really matter. 1079 00:47:01,819 --> 00:47:05,953 Another major thing is that we don't have enough role models 1080 00:47:06,127 --> 00:47:07,999 or we don't have enough role models 1081 00:47:08,173 --> 00:47:09,827 who are invested in our interests, 1082 00:47:10,001 --> 00:47:12,264 in the interests of our children, 1083 00:47:12,438 --> 00:47:15,658 and of our grandchildren in the future. 1084 00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:18,226 So, we really need to stop, as someone once said, 1085 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,620 "Making stupid people famous." 1086 00:47:20,794 --> 00:47:22,752 Use your purchasing power. 1087 00:47:22,927 --> 00:47:24,189 If you think about it this way, 1088 00:47:24,363 --> 00:47:27,757 that each pound you spend is a vote, 1089 00:47:27,932 --> 00:47:29,977 is a vote for whatever you are buying, 1090 00:47:30,151 --> 00:47:31,761 whatever you're spending that money in 1091 00:47:31,936 --> 00:47:34,112 is something that you're voting for. 1092 00:47:34,286 --> 00:47:36,288 It's a world of supply and demand. 1093 00:47:36,462 --> 00:47:38,986 The more you demand it, the more they're gonna supply it, 1094 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,076 so if you spend your money more on clean energy, 1095 00:47:42,250 --> 00:47:44,818 there will be more clean energy provided. 1096 00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:50,606 But I think what we found overall as a major issue 1097 00:47:50,780 --> 00:47:52,521 is that as a young generation, 1098 00:47:52,695 --> 00:47:56,612 we don't go out and vote enough in numbers, you know? 1099 00:47:56,786 --> 00:47:59,398 And that's where you get what you want: 1100 00:47:59,572 --> 00:48:01,966 at the ballot boxes by voting. 1101 00:48:02,140 --> 00:48:04,838 - [Sauven] All the young people come out and vote, 1102 00:48:05,012 --> 00:48:07,493 that is the most powerful thing that they can do. 1103 00:48:07,667 --> 00:48:09,756 And as a bloc, they are enormously powerful, 1104 00:48:09,930 --> 00:48:12,237 and politicians have to listen to that bloc. 1105 00:48:12,411 --> 00:48:14,326 I mean, they have immense power in many ways, 1106 00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:17,938 and I don't think they realize how powerful they could be, 1107 00:48:18,112 --> 00:48:20,027 and particularly because they've got tools 1108 00:48:20,201 --> 00:48:22,900 at their disposal today to really organize 1109 00:48:23,074 --> 00:48:25,554 in ways that when I was a young person, I didn't have. 1110 00:48:25,728 --> 00:48:28,818 I could only dream of the kind of tools that they have 1111 00:48:28,993 --> 00:48:30,777 to organize and mobilize today. 1112 00:48:30,951 --> 00:48:32,605 - [Protestors] Solution, not pollution. 1113 00:48:32,779 --> 00:48:34,172 Solution, not pollution. 1114 00:48:34,346 --> 00:48:35,956 Solution, not pollution. 1115 00:48:36,130 --> 00:48:37,436 Solution, not pollution. 1116 00:48:37,610 --> 00:48:39,568 - It's very easy to have politics of division, 1117 00:48:39,742 --> 00:48:41,527 to have them and us. 1118 00:48:41,701 --> 00:48:44,443 You know, white versus Black, men versus women, 1119 00:48:44,617 --> 00:48:48,708 old versus young, cities versus rural areas, 1120 00:48:48,882 --> 00:48:50,144 and so on and so forth. 1121 00:48:50,318 --> 00:48:53,104 We have to overcome those divisions 1122 00:48:53,278 --> 00:48:57,543 if we are going to build a new and just society. 1123 00:48:57,717 --> 00:49:01,155 And I believe that young people have got a critical part 1124 00:49:01,329 --> 00:49:03,679 to play in actually building that society 1125 00:49:03,853 --> 00:49:06,987 and building it around action on climate change, 1126 00:49:07,161 --> 00:49:09,555 building it around social justice, 1127 00:49:09,729 --> 00:49:11,426 creating new industries, 1128 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,037 industries of the future, 1129 00:49:13,211 --> 00:49:15,561 which are going to answer the problems 1130 00:49:15,735 --> 00:49:17,389 that have plagued us up until now. 1131 00:49:20,566 --> 00:49:22,829 And I think the fossil fuel companies, 1132 00:49:23,003 --> 00:49:25,179 the oil companies, the coal companies, 1133 00:49:25,353 --> 00:49:26,137 basically, they're history. 1134 00:49:26,311 --> 00:49:28,052 They're last-century. 1135 00:49:28,226 --> 00:49:31,925 But they will fight tooth and nail to defend their power, 1136 00:49:32,099 --> 00:49:34,275 their privilege, and their money, 1137 00:49:34,449 --> 00:49:35,885 and that's why it's gonna be a fight 1138 00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:39,106 and that's why everybody's gotta participate. 1139 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,804 Everybody has got to build the future. 1140 00:49:41,979 --> 00:49:43,850 That's what's really critical. 1141 00:49:44,024 --> 00:49:47,767 [energetic orchestral music] 1142 00:50:07,743 --> 00:50:10,920 [protestors cheering] 1143 00:50:14,663 --> 00:50:17,927 - I designed a set of playing cards 'cause I'm an activist. 1144 00:50:18,102 --> 00:50:19,755 I had so many graphics, I thought, 1145 00:50:19,929 --> 00:50:22,367 "I'm going to put them all on the set of playing cards." 1146 00:50:22,541 --> 00:50:25,152 When I looked at the set of playing cards, 1147 00:50:25,326 --> 00:50:29,113 I realized that it was a whole strategy to save the world. 1148 00:50:29,287 --> 00:50:34,161 And this one here is misrule of law by government. 1149 00:50:35,249 --> 00:50:37,469 [onlookers cheering] 1150 00:50:37,643 --> 00:50:38,818 - You're an inspiration. 1151 00:50:40,515 --> 00:50:41,951 - I'm a big fan of yours. 1152 00:50:42,126 --> 00:50:43,431 - [Individual] Lovely, lovely. Come on. 1153 00:50:43,605 --> 00:50:45,912 [protestors calling out] 1154 00:50:46,086 --> 00:50:47,566 - [Protestors] We said no. 1155 00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:49,220 We said no. 1156 00:50:49,394 --> 00:50:50,743 We said no. 1157 00:50:50,917 --> 00:50:52,397 We said no. 1158 00:50:52,571 --> 00:50:55,095 - I think it's hard for people to understand 1159 00:50:56,836 --> 00:50:58,490 without actually going through it, 1160 00:50:59,752 --> 00:51:02,668 because people ask me things like, you know, 1161 00:51:02,842 --> 00:51:05,323 "What was it like growing up with your parents?" and stuff 1162 00:51:05,497 --> 00:51:08,195 as if I had a choice of a different set of parents 1163 00:51:08,369 --> 00:51:10,154 that I could compare it to, you know? 1164 00:51:10,328 --> 00:51:14,549 I only had one set of parents and that was how I grew up. 1165 00:51:14,723 --> 00:51:16,421 You know, 1166 00:51:16,595 --> 00:51:18,162 my father was a bit more bulletproof in some respects. 1167 00:51:18,336 --> 00:51:21,991 I mean, he kind of took that as par for the course, 1168 00:51:22,992 --> 00:51:24,733 but for him, 1169 00:51:24,907 --> 00:51:26,518 he was a guy who sort of never stopped running, in a way. 1170 00:51:26,692 --> 00:51:28,172 He always wanted to have a new idea, 1171 00:51:28,346 --> 00:51:29,869 always onto some kind of new thing, 1172 00:51:30,043 --> 00:51:35,004 and that to me was a sort of nervousness 1173 00:51:36,571 --> 00:51:38,704 on his part of ever being able to kind of sit still 1174 00:51:38,878 --> 00:51:40,488 and be questioned about anything. 1175 00:51:40,662 --> 00:51:42,708 As long as he could keep moving, 1176 00:51:42,882 --> 00:51:44,623 he never had to really face much. 1177 00:51:44,797 --> 00:51:49,193 - You never came to my school parents' meetings at all. 1178 00:51:49,367 --> 00:51:50,933 You didn't offer, 1179 00:51:51,108 --> 00:51:52,631 and I definitely didn't want you to come, either, 1180 00:51:52,805 --> 00:51:56,069 or being on the bus going to see some exhibition 1181 00:51:56,243 --> 00:51:57,853 with the school and going, 1182 00:51:58,027 --> 00:51:59,899 we went past the King's Road shop 1183 00:52:00,073 --> 00:52:01,770 when it was called SEX, 1184 00:52:01,944 --> 00:52:04,033 and all the kids go, "Oh, it's a sex shop. 1185 00:52:04,208 --> 00:52:05,209 Sex shop," you know. 1186 00:52:05,383 --> 00:52:07,124 But I just sort of kept quiet. 1187 00:52:07,298 --> 00:52:08,647 - You told me you pretended 1188 00:52:08,821 --> 00:52:11,084 that you weren't with me sometimes. 1189 00:52:11,258 --> 00:52:13,304 - That I would walk on the other side of the road 1190 00:52:13,478 --> 00:52:14,392 or something or other. 1191 00:52:14,566 --> 00:52:15,784 - Yeah, that's what I remember. 1192 00:52:15,958 --> 00:52:17,569 I sort remember holding Mom's hand 1193 00:52:17,743 --> 00:52:20,615 and you being behind the other side of the road. 1194 00:52:20,789 --> 00:52:22,139 - No one knew who you were, 1195 00:52:22,313 --> 00:52:24,141 even though that was the time punk was going off. 1196 00:52:24,315 --> 00:52:28,623 I told one of my schoolmates once. 1197 00:52:28,797 --> 00:52:30,799 - Malcolm had been in America 1198 00:52:30,973 --> 00:52:34,063 and he brought a lot of these graphics back from there, 1199 00:52:34,238 --> 00:52:37,806 but when he came back, 1200 00:52:37,980 --> 00:52:41,941 I had hidden a shirt that I'd made 1201 00:52:42,115 --> 00:52:45,640 underneath the few things in the airing cupboard. 1202 00:52:45,814 --> 00:52:48,643 It was hidden at the bottom of a pile of few sheets 1203 00:52:48,817 --> 00:52:50,167 and stuff in the airing cupboard, 1204 00:52:50,341 --> 00:52:51,124 and he found it. 1205 00:52:51,298 --> 00:52:52,560 - Why did you hide it? 1206 00:52:52,734 --> 00:52:54,736 - I was hiding it because I thought 1207 00:52:54,910 --> 00:52:57,043 he would really get annoyed with me. 1208 00:52:57,217 --> 00:52:58,958 And what I was trying to do was 1209 00:52:59,132 --> 00:53:03,397 I was trying to make a shirt for an urban guerilla. 1210 00:53:03,571 --> 00:53:06,966 So, it was inspired by the idea of Che Guevara, 1211 00:53:07,140 --> 00:53:09,621 but something for the city. 1212 00:53:09,795 --> 00:53:12,493 And so it was this sort of idea, 1213 00:53:12,667 --> 00:53:15,453 and so I hid it from him 'cause I thought 1214 00:53:15,627 --> 00:53:17,281 he'd really hate it. 1215 00:53:17,455 --> 00:53:20,980 Anyway, and so this is one of my slogans. 1216 00:53:21,154 --> 00:53:23,287 "Only anarchists are pretty," 1217 00:53:23,461 --> 00:53:26,551 and it goes right down the sleeve to there, okay? 1218 00:53:26,725 --> 00:53:30,163 So, this is a later anarchy shirt. 1219 00:53:30,337 --> 00:53:32,557 I was still always doing the main ones. 1220 00:53:32,731 --> 00:53:36,691 So, this is one where we just used different prints, 1221 00:53:36,865 --> 00:53:37,910 and that's the one with the queen 1222 00:53:38,084 --> 00:53:39,825 with the safety pin in there. 1223 00:53:39,999 --> 00:53:42,306 - [Corre] I remember you working on that one 1224 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:47,398 and talking about this Hell's Angels thing here. 1225 00:53:48,181 --> 00:53:49,226 "As you were, I was. 1226 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,010 As I am, you will be," 1227 00:53:51,184 --> 00:53:52,707 and I remember sitting with you 1228 00:53:52,881 --> 00:53:55,362 and you were talking to me about this 1% thing. 1229 00:53:55,536 --> 00:53:58,365 And I just remember you doing this graphic 1230 00:53:58,539 --> 00:54:00,324 with these anarchy flags and stuff, yeah. 1231 00:54:00,498 --> 00:54:02,543 - Anyway, you've put your finger on something there. 1232 00:54:02,717 --> 00:54:04,632 It is inspired by the Hell's Angels, as well, 1233 00:54:04,806 --> 00:54:06,504 and we had a couple of them 1234 00:54:06,678 --> 00:54:11,639 working with us making this stuff in our house. 1235 00:54:12,423 --> 00:54:13,337 - [Corre] That's right. 1236 00:54:13,511 --> 00:54:14,860 - They used to come in every day 1237 00:54:15,034 --> 00:54:15,991 and put little studs on these skirts and things. 1238 00:54:16,165 --> 00:54:17,602 - [Corre] That's right, yeah. 1239 00:54:17,776 --> 00:54:18,646 - Yeah. Red Baron. - They were sort of doing 1240 00:54:18,820 --> 00:54:20,431 all the leather work thing. 1241 00:54:20,605 --> 00:54:22,171 I remember catching you- - And you were little. 1242 00:54:22,346 --> 00:54:25,000 - [Corre] Snogging Red Baron in the hallway one day. 1243 00:54:25,174 --> 00:54:30,136 - Well, was I covering it up then? 1244 00:54:30,745 --> 00:54:32,007 No. - Well, 1245 00:54:32,181 --> 00:54:32,921 I just remember walking 'round the, 1246 00:54:33,095 --> 00:54:34,662 'cause he was there. 1247 00:54:34,836 --> 00:54:35,663 He used to work on the Waltzer, as well, didn't he? 1248 00:54:35,837 --> 00:54:37,274 On the fun fair. 1249 00:54:37,448 --> 00:54:38,927 - He was really lovely. - Oh Clapham Common. 1250 00:54:39,101 --> 00:54:40,625 - I liked him ever such a lot. - He was a biker. 1251 00:54:40,799 --> 00:54:42,279 Yeah, I know you did. - He was absolutely great. 1252 00:54:42,453 --> 00:54:43,628 - I remember seeing you in the clinch with him. 1253 00:54:43,802 --> 00:54:44,716 - And Malcolm wasn't around then, 1254 00:54:44,890 --> 00:54:46,500 and I thought we were finished, 1255 00:54:46,674 --> 00:54:49,068 and it wasn't that I was being a traitor to Malcolm, 1256 00:54:49,242 --> 00:54:52,332 because, you know, our relationship, 1257 00:54:53,812 --> 00:54:55,988 I thought it was over most of the time, really, 1258 00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:58,730 but I was very loyal to Malcolm. 1259 00:54:58,904 --> 00:55:01,646 So, he'd gone away, and when he came back, 1260 00:55:02,777 --> 00:55:05,127 you know, I was really into Red Baron. 1261 00:55:05,302 --> 00:55:06,738 We loved each other. 1262 00:55:06,912 --> 00:55:08,914 - Did you? - Oh, God, he was lovely. 1263 00:55:09,088 --> 00:55:10,611 He was so nice. 1264 00:55:11,917 --> 00:55:13,788 And when Malcolm came back 1265 00:55:13,962 --> 00:55:15,399 and said he'd like wanted me back, 1266 00:55:15,573 --> 00:55:16,748 so I had to go. 1267 00:55:16,922 --> 00:55:18,793 Was just still loyal to Malcolm. 1268 00:55:18,967 --> 00:55:20,404 Sorry. Yeah. 1269 00:55:20,578 --> 00:55:23,363 And I was very sad about that, and he was lovely. 1270 00:55:23,537 --> 00:55:26,105 [somber music] 1271 00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:31,589 When I met Malcolm a long time ago 1272 00:55:31,763 --> 00:55:32,807 and I fell in love with him, 1273 00:55:32,981 --> 00:55:34,679 I thought he was beautiful. 1274 00:55:34,853 --> 00:55:36,550 I think people are really in love 1275 00:55:36,724 --> 00:55:39,597 always do think that their boyfriend's beautiful, 1276 00:55:39,771 --> 00:55:41,338 and I still do. 1277 00:55:41,512 --> 00:55:46,473 I mean, I still treasure the experience of Malcolm. 1278 00:55:47,953 --> 00:55:49,476 - Malcolm fucked Joe over when he died with his will. 1279 00:55:49,650 --> 00:55:51,478 Not that Joe wanted anything. 1280 00:55:51,652 --> 00:55:54,525 I mean, Joe went over to Malcolm's dying body 1281 00:55:54,699 --> 00:55:56,788 and hugged him and whispered in his ear, 1282 00:55:56,962 --> 00:55:58,006 "Travel well, Malcolm. 1283 00:55:58,180 --> 00:55:59,530 Travel well." 1284 00:55:59,704 --> 00:56:01,183 You know? 1285 00:56:01,358 --> 00:56:04,404 And Malcolm went, and Joe was like, you know, 1286 00:56:04,578 --> 00:56:06,319 it was kind of a bit of a release and stuff. 1287 00:56:06,493 --> 00:56:08,626 And then like he set up this whole funeral, 1288 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,585 put a great funeral for Malcolm. 1289 00:56:11,759 --> 00:56:13,065 Cash from Chaos. 1290 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,110 The horses and carriages going through London. 1291 00:56:16,329 --> 00:56:18,070 Got him buried in Highgate Cemetery. 1292 00:56:18,244 --> 00:56:20,202 Paid for the bloody plot. 1293 00:56:20,377 --> 00:56:21,682 You know. 1294 00:56:21,856 --> 00:56:23,292 And then after this has all happened, 1295 00:56:23,467 --> 00:56:25,817 and after the party the next day, you know, 1296 00:56:25,991 --> 00:56:28,733 Young Kim gave Joe the will, 1297 00:56:28,907 --> 00:56:33,128 and the will said expressly that Joe was not to get anything 1298 00:56:33,302 --> 00:56:35,392 penciled in on the bottom of a letter 1299 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:37,742 that he'd written just before 1300 00:56:37,916 --> 00:56:40,266 we turned up in Switzerland, apparently. 1301 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:45,184 So, you know, that was very devious of her as well. 1302 00:56:45,358 --> 00:56:48,056 She should have showed him the will straight away 1303 00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:50,581 anyway before the funeral. 1304 00:56:50,755 --> 00:56:52,626 So, that hurt Joe incredibly. 1305 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,193 It was incredibly hurtful. 1306 00:56:55,412 --> 00:56:57,022 Feel like he'd been stabbed 1307 00:56:57,196 --> 00:56:59,154 from beyond the grave by Malcolm. 1308 00:56:59,328 --> 00:57:04,290 [dramatic orchestral music] [flames lapping] 1309 00:57:24,484 --> 00:57:29,446 [somber orchestral music] [flames lapping] 1310 00:57:31,839 --> 00:57:34,102 - And I had to admit and to accept in the end 1311 00:57:34,276 --> 00:57:36,148 that my father wrote those words 1312 00:57:36,322 --> 00:57:38,367 and he was willing to write that. 1313 00:57:38,542 --> 00:57:39,325 You know what I mean? 1314 00:57:39,499 --> 00:57:40,413 And that's the truth. 1315 00:57:40,587 --> 00:57:42,850 You know, that's just the truth. 1316 00:57:43,024 --> 00:57:44,156 He was a fucked-up guy. 1317 00:57:44,330 --> 00:57:48,726 He had lots of personal issues 1318 00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:51,337 that affected me as a kid growing up. 1319 00:57:51,511 --> 00:57:53,600 But I would never take away from him his brilliance. 1320 00:57:53,774 --> 00:57:56,777 He was a brilliant guy and he did some amazing things, 1321 00:57:56,951 --> 00:57:57,865 and I'm very proud of him. 1322 00:57:58,039 --> 00:57:59,954 I'm proud to be his son. 1323 00:58:00,128 --> 00:58:03,044 You know, after my father left my mother in a terrible way, 1324 00:58:03,218 --> 00:58:05,090 he was horrible to Vivienne, 1325 00:58:05,264 --> 00:58:07,353 not just tried to smash everything up when he left, 1326 00:58:07,527 --> 00:58:09,573 but did smash up everything when he left, 1327 00:58:09,747 --> 00:58:10,748 you know what I mean? 1328 00:58:12,227 --> 00:58:14,229 And treated her really badly. 1329 00:58:14,403 --> 00:58:17,232 And we were with her 1330 00:58:17,406 --> 00:58:20,148 and we took the brunt of it as well. 1331 00:58:20,322 --> 00:58:22,237 And he never had any conscience for us 1332 00:58:22,411 --> 00:58:23,935 in what it meant to me and Ben, 1333 00:58:25,327 --> 00:58:28,505 and only later on did he realize the error of his ways. 1334 00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:33,597 I just felt very fortunate at the point when he was dying 1335 00:58:34,859 --> 00:58:36,121 that I was able to go and see him 1336 00:58:36,295 --> 00:58:38,123 and talk to him and forgive him. 1337 00:58:38,297 --> 00:58:40,125 You know, I think he'd turning in his grave 1338 00:58:40,299 --> 00:58:44,956 to see "Anarchy in the UK" on a fucking credit card. 1339 00:58:45,130 --> 00:58:49,874 I think that's full circle of showing 1340 00:58:50,048 --> 00:58:52,354 that everything he did was useless. 1341 00:58:52,529 --> 00:58:55,575 You know, it's known because it's a public document 1342 00:58:55,749 --> 00:58:57,795 that he said in his will, 1343 00:58:57,969 --> 00:59:02,887 "My son shall not fucking inherit anything." 1344 00:59:04,105 --> 00:59:05,542 [laughs] 1345 00:59:05,716 --> 00:59:09,937 [somber orchestral music] [flames lapping] 1346 00:59:36,355 --> 00:59:38,313 - And then we'd just go and sleep in barns, 1347 00:59:38,487 --> 00:59:39,401 all of us, didn't we? 1348 00:59:39,576 --> 00:59:42,056 We went to Anglesey, didn't we? 1349 00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:44,885 - That's the only family holiday I ever remember us having 1350 00:59:45,059 --> 00:59:48,193 was hitchhiking to Anglesey and sleeping in that cabin. 1351 00:59:48,367 --> 00:59:50,064 - What it would be, 1352 00:59:50,238 --> 00:59:52,632 it would be that I would be there with the little baby, 1353 00:59:52,806 --> 00:59:55,069 which is you, hitchhiking, 1354 00:59:55,243 --> 00:59:56,505 and then I'd get in the car, 1355 00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,116 and then Malcolm would come with Ben. 1356 00:59:58,290 --> 00:59:59,770 - [Corre] They were hiding in the bushes, yeah. 1357 00:59:59,944 --> 01:00:01,206 - And ask if they could get in as well, yeah. 1358 01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:03,121 And then that's how we got our lifts. 1359 01:00:03,295 --> 01:00:05,514 He thought because it was the island of Anglesey 1360 01:00:05,689 --> 01:00:07,908 where the druids were that there was 1361 01:00:08,082 --> 01:00:10,345 some sort of ritual had been practiced, 1362 01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:13,522 because we found a sheep with its leg cut off 1363 01:00:13,697 --> 01:00:15,002 next to the barn where 1364 01:00:15,176 --> 01:00:16,743 we'd just all decided we had to sleep, 1365 01:00:16,917 --> 01:00:18,484 and there was nowhere else. 1366 01:00:18,658 --> 01:00:20,094 And so he was terrified, 1367 01:00:20,268 --> 01:00:24,316 and we put all the hay bales against the door 1368 01:00:24,490 --> 01:00:27,145 so nobody could come and get us and everything. 1369 01:00:27,319 --> 01:00:28,450 Oh God, it was boring. 1370 01:00:28,625 --> 01:00:30,235 It was him that was so scared. 1371 01:00:30,409 --> 01:00:32,019 It wasn't me. I didn't care. 1372 01:00:32,193 --> 01:00:33,673 But yeah. 1373 01:00:33,847 --> 01:00:35,370 But then it was obvious somebody had thought, 1374 01:00:35,544 --> 01:00:36,981 "Well, we've just killed that sheep. 1375 01:00:37,155 --> 01:00:39,984 We might as well take its leg and roast it." 1376 01:00:40,158 --> 01:00:41,855 - I remember in the morning after, 1377 01:00:42,029 --> 01:00:44,858 as we walked into the little town that no one was up yet. 1378 01:00:45,032 --> 01:00:46,425 Everyone was still in bed. 1379 01:00:46,599 --> 01:00:49,210 - Before that we went to this lovely well. 1380 01:00:49,384 --> 01:00:50,298 There was a little well. 1381 01:00:50,472 --> 01:00:51,735 - I remember jumping in the well 1382 01:00:51,909 --> 01:00:53,911 and getting all the money out of it. 1383 01:00:54,085 --> 01:00:55,695 It was a wishing well, wasn't it? 1384 01:00:55,869 --> 01:00:58,219 And we took all the coppers out the wishing well 1385 01:00:58,393 --> 01:01:00,657 and then went and wait for the shop to open in the morning 1386 01:01:00,831 --> 01:01:02,354 so we could buy some breakfast. 1387 01:01:03,268 --> 01:01:04,486 Do you remember that? 1388 01:01:04,661 --> 01:01:07,446 I remember all our pockets were soaking wet 1389 01:01:07,620 --> 01:01:09,230 still piled up with coppers. 1390 01:01:10,362 --> 01:01:11,058 - Really? - Yeah. 1391 01:01:11,232 --> 01:01:11,972 - Yeah. Yeah. 1392 01:01:12,146 --> 01:01:13,844 - [Ben] We had no money. 1393 01:01:14,018 --> 01:01:16,716 - No, we always used to do lots of things without money. 1394 01:01:18,283 --> 01:01:20,067 - We haven't got time 1395 01:01:20,241 --> 01:01:24,289 to fuck about thinking about punk rock 1396 01:01:24,463 --> 01:01:27,684 or any other nonsense or pretending 1397 01:01:27,858 --> 01:01:29,642 that somehow that's all important, 1398 01:01:32,427 --> 01:01:33,602 when in reality 1399 01:01:36,214 --> 01:01:38,782 we are moments from extinction, 1400 01:01:38,956 --> 01:01:42,481 and we need to understand that as a human race. 1401 01:01:42,655 --> 01:01:45,919 You know, we've got to look at what's important, 1402 01:01:46,093 --> 01:01:47,660 because if we don't, 1403 01:01:50,228 --> 01:01:51,969 it's gonna be too late. 1404 01:01:52,143 --> 01:01:53,840 You know Nigel. 1405 01:01:54,014 --> 01:01:57,148 I mean we thought that a campaign 1406 01:01:57,322 --> 01:02:00,238 against Nigel Farage and UKIP, right? 1407 01:02:00,412 --> 01:02:02,196 In Thanet South. 1408 01:02:02,370 --> 01:02:07,114 And the main issue people had was about immigration, right? 1409 01:02:07,811 --> 01:02:08,725 Immigration. 1410 01:02:08,899 --> 01:02:10,509 We're terrified of immigration. 1411 01:02:10,683 --> 01:02:12,293 The bloody immigrants had come in, blah, blah, blah. 1412 01:02:12,467 --> 01:02:13,773 What I'm saying, 1413 01:02:13,947 --> 01:02:15,514 if you are worried about immigration, 1414 01:02:15,688 --> 01:02:17,908 you better get worried about climate change. 1415 01:02:18,082 --> 01:02:20,214 Where do you think all these people are going to go? 1416 01:02:20,388 --> 01:02:23,087 [dramatic music] 1417 01:02:26,090 --> 01:02:27,874 [motor humming] 1418 01:02:28,048 --> 01:02:29,354 Pleasant morning on the Thames. 1419 01:02:29,528 --> 01:02:32,183 [motor humming] 1420 01:02:35,490 --> 01:02:37,405 This is a old friend of mine's boat. 1421 01:02:37,579 --> 01:02:38,493 He lives here. 1422 01:02:38,667 --> 01:02:40,017 It's his old mine sweeper. 1423 01:02:47,764 --> 01:02:50,767 [travelers laughing] 1424 01:02:54,074 --> 01:02:56,468 - Where are you thinking for the fire pit now? 1425 01:02:56,642 --> 01:02:58,557 - Well, I think the fire pit's got to be on one end of it. 1426 01:02:58,731 --> 01:02:59,688 - Yeah, I think probably- 1427 01:02:59,863 --> 01:03:01,212 - On that front end. 1428 01:03:01,386 --> 01:03:02,691 I'm just thinking about all 1429 01:03:02,866 --> 01:03:03,867 the different technical aspects of it 1430 01:03:04,041 --> 01:03:06,043 and who's going to do that. 1431 01:03:06,217 --> 01:03:08,872 - There's not too much technical stuff, really. 1432 01:03:09,046 --> 01:03:12,963 - You've got to be able to, I think, 1433 01:03:14,878 --> 01:03:17,228 allow people to hear what I'm talking about 1434 01:03:17,402 --> 01:03:18,664 when I'm burning it here, 1435 01:03:18,838 --> 01:03:20,927 so that's power and speakers and everything. 1436 01:03:21,101 --> 01:03:22,755 There's no power on this boat, right? 1437 01:03:22,929 --> 01:03:24,496 So, we've got to bring all of that on. 1438 01:03:24,670 --> 01:03:28,543 - Yeah, you could just drop the focus between there to here. 1439 01:03:28,717 --> 01:03:31,459 If you're gonna say anything about doing the burning, 1440 01:03:31,633 --> 01:03:32,983 then that would be over the top of 1441 01:03:33,157 --> 01:03:34,767 whatever your mum's saying or whatever. 1442 01:03:34,941 --> 01:03:36,595 - Well then to me it would make more sense 1443 01:03:36,769 --> 01:03:38,336 that Vivienne was in over there. 1444 01:03:41,556 --> 01:03:43,558 Wish more people would get up and do something 1445 01:03:43,732 --> 01:03:45,430 that could be counted. 1446 01:03:49,956 --> 01:03:53,220 - Okay getting frustrated. 1447 01:03:54,265 --> 01:03:55,222 - Well, that's easy. 1448 01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,225 - Oh, it's quite clean. 1449 01:03:58,399 --> 01:03:59,792 Oh, I suppose it doesn't really matter 1450 01:03:59,966 --> 01:04:01,402 if they're all going up in smoke, does it? 1451 01:04:01,576 --> 01:04:03,056 Just burn a few. 1452 01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:07,104 Just squash it all in and get a bit more in. 1453 01:04:10,542 --> 01:04:12,544 Five million pounds worth of punk rock memorabilia 1454 01:04:12,718 --> 01:04:13,937 in the 20 pound box, 1455 01:04:14,111 --> 01:04:15,286 which I thought it was quite good. 1456 01:04:18,419 --> 01:04:19,420 Do you know what? 1457 01:04:19,594 --> 01:04:20,508 People think you are fooling them 1458 01:04:20,682 --> 01:04:22,162 with burning these clothes? 1459 01:04:23,685 --> 01:04:26,297 - [Corre] So, I think people are being fooled every day. 1460 01:04:26,471 --> 01:04:29,517 I've been able to, in a slightly unique way, 1461 01:04:29,691 --> 01:04:31,998 to be able to use this as an opportunity 1462 01:04:32,172 --> 01:04:34,305 to talk about more important issues. 1463 01:04:35,959 --> 01:04:37,569 So, have I fooled everybody? 1464 01:04:37,743 --> 01:04:39,353 Well, I don't know. 1465 01:04:39,527 --> 01:04:41,660 I think to an extent I've fooled some people, 1466 01:04:41,834 --> 01:04:46,186 but what I'm hoping out of it is actually to wake them up 1467 01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,146 to the idea that they're being fooled every day. 1468 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,235 You know, we've got really crucial, 1469 01:04:51,409 --> 01:04:54,499 important issues in front of us about extinction, 1470 01:04:54,673 --> 01:04:58,546 about climate change that are much more important 1471 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,550 than celebrating a kind of corporate idea 1472 01:05:02,724 --> 01:05:04,683 of what punk rock now is. 1473 01:05:04,857 --> 01:05:08,034 So, I took it as an opportunity to do just that. 1474 01:05:08,208 --> 01:05:12,343 The job now is to really get the main message across 1475 01:05:12,517 --> 01:05:14,693 and for people to understand why. 1476 01:05:14,867 --> 01:05:17,870 Now, how successful I'm going to be at doing that, 1477 01:05:18,044 --> 01:05:20,742 I don't know, but I'm going to give it my best shot. 1478 01:05:20,917 --> 01:05:24,529 [jaunty orchestral music] 1479 01:05:31,753 --> 01:05:33,451 - The press aren't really, 1480 01:05:33,625 --> 01:05:35,366 they're just stoking things up as they did in the past. 1481 01:05:35,540 --> 01:05:37,281 You know. 1482 01:05:37,455 --> 01:05:40,327 It's just the public reaction that's rather disappointing. 1483 01:05:40,501 --> 01:05:42,068 They don't understand punk at all. 1484 01:05:42,242 --> 01:05:44,723 The only one who seems to understand punk here is Challan, 1485 01:05:46,290 --> 01:05:49,162 which is do things to provoke the public 1486 01:05:49,336 --> 01:05:53,427 and provoke reaction for a good cause. 1487 01:05:53,601 --> 01:05:54,733 It's to make you think. 1488 01:05:54,907 --> 01:05:56,039 - I think it's his to burn. 1489 01:05:56,213 --> 01:05:57,866 It's punk rock punk. 1490 01:05:58,041 --> 01:05:59,868 Burn it if you want to burn it. 1491 01:06:00,043 --> 01:06:01,783 Fucking burn it. 1492 01:06:01,958 --> 01:06:05,178 - You don't have to be into The Sex Pistols to be a punk. 1493 01:06:05,352 --> 01:06:08,747 You know, it is an attitude to life. 1494 01:06:08,921 --> 01:06:13,926 It's about being aware of the injustice 1495 01:06:15,319 --> 01:06:17,408 happening in the world and trying to do something about it. 1496 01:06:17,582 --> 01:06:20,802 And at least the one thing you can definitely do about it 1497 01:06:20,977 --> 01:06:25,590 is not be taken in by the lie. 1498 01:06:25,764 --> 01:06:28,767 [dramatic electric guitar music] 1499 01:06:28,941 --> 01:06:30,464 - I think there's a load of people 1500 01:06:30,638 --> 01:06:31,552 walking around London right now 1501 01:06:31,726 --> 01:06:33,250 and they're kind of saying, 1502 01:06:34,425 --> 01:06:36,035 "Joe's looking for publicity" and whatever. 1503 01:06:36,209 --> 01:06:38,951 Actually, he's looking for publicity for the right reasons, 1504 01:06:39,125 --> 01:06:42,737 to change the world and to make people realize 1505 01:06:42,911 --> 01:06:44,435 what's really going on. 1506 01:06:44,609 --> 01:06:48,917 ["When Johnny Comes Marching Home"] 1507 01:06:59,972 --> 01:07:02,148 - The older generation have made a mess. 1508 01:07:02,322 --> 01:07:04,759 They don't care about the world they're leaving us. 1509 01:07:05,978 --> 01:07:08,459 These politicians are destroying themselves 1510 01:07:08,633 --> 01:07:10,461 and taking us with them. 1511 01:07:11,853 --> 01:07:15,944 We need them to act fast and slow down. 1512 01:07:17,207 --> 01:07:19,470 All they care about is the money. 1513 01:07:19,644 --> 01:07:20,862 It's our future. 1514 01:07:21,037 --> 01:07:22,342 We've got to save it. 1515 01:07:24,605 --> 01:07:26,303 It's our only choice. 1516 01:07:29,610 --> 01:07:33,005 - There is nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. 1517 01:07:33,179 --> 01:07:35,355 We've got to take over the workhouse 1518 01:07:35,529 --> 01:07:37,749 and create a future for all of us. 1519 01:07:37,923 --> 01:07:40,882 [children calling out] 1520 01:07:41,057 --> 01:07:42,406 - [Protestors] Solution, not pollution. 1521 01:07:42,580 --> 01:07:44,277 Solution, not pollution. 1522 01:07:44,451 --> 01:07:48,673 [trumpeter playing charge cadence] 1523 01:07:51,023 --> 01:07:55,027 [drummers playing march cadence] 1524 01:07:59,771 --> 01:08:03,383 [energetic army band music] 1525 01:08:05,907 --> 01:08:10,521 - One million anti-people control seven billion. 1526 01:08:10,695 --> 01:08:15,221 It's the banks, the conglomerate corporations, 1527 01:08:15,395 --> 01:08:18,442 and the politicians who serve them. 1528 01:08:18,616 --> 01:08:23,534 That map comes from NASA, the American space agency. 1529 01:08:25,057 --> 01:08:28,887 If you draw a line level with Paris all around the world, 1530 01:08:29,757 --> 01:08:32,891 below that, it's uninhabitable. 1531 01:08:33,065 --> 01:08:37,983 By the end of this century, by 2100, 1532 01:08:39,376 --> 01:08:44,337 there'll only be one billion people left. 1533 01:08:45,773 --> 01:08:49,429 The rotten financial system, and it's run on debt, 1534 01:08:50,691 --> 01:08:54,086 and it's run on fossil fuel and cheap labor, 1535 01:08:54,260 --> 01:08:56,436 'cause they're just so power-driven, 1536 01:08:56,610 --> 01:08:59,178 and they get their power 1537 01:08:59,352 --> 01:09:02,268 through the rotten financial system. 1538 01:09:02,442 --> 01:09:04,923 As long as it works, we can't help poverty. 1539 01:09:05,097 --> 01:09:08,013 It's designed to make poverty. 1540 01:09:08,187 --> 01:09:11,582 It's a war economy and it causes climate change. 1541 01:09:11,756 --> 01:09:14,280 It's completely corrupt. 1542 01:09:14,454 --> 01:09:19,416 There's only one way and that is a green economy. 1543 01:09:20,852 --> 01:09:23,246 Can you imagine when half the country's on green energy, 1544 01:09:23,420 --> 01:09:25,683 the rotten financial system, 1545 01:09:25,857 --> 01:09:28,903 which is administered by our government, 1546 01:09:29,077 --> 01:09:31,819 would not be able to do what it does anymore. 1547 01:09:31,993 --> 01:09:34,387 It will be completely undermined. 1548 01:09:34,561 --> 01:09:36,476 It couldn't function. 1549 01:09:36,650 --> 01:09:40,132 I never had an answer, and I've got the answer now. 1550 01:09:40,306 --> 01:09:43,614 Switch to green energy. 1551 01:09:43,788 --> 01:09:45,746 It's the most important thing 1552 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,662 you could ever do in your life. 1553 01:09:48,836 --> 01:09:50,708 This simple thing. 1554 01:09:50,882 --> 01:09:51,796 Switch. 1555 01:09:51,970 --> 01:09:55,103 [audience cheering] 1556 01:09:55,278 --> 01:09:58,977 [dramatic orchestral music] 1557 01:10:08,508 --> 01:10:11,468 [suspenseful music] 1558 01:10:18,475 --> 01:10:19,563 - [Kids] Now! 1559 01:10:19,737 --> 01:10:22,696 [suspenseful music] 1560 01:10:26,047 --> 01:10:27,962 [kids calling out] 1561 01:10:29,747 --> 01:10:32,663 [suspenseful music] 1562 01:10:46,981 --> 01:10:49,810 - You're gonna have to work a little bit harder now. 1563 01:10:49,984 --> 01:10:51,334 The other kids are missing. 1564 01:10:52,552 --> 01:10:54,859 I've got my loans to pay back to the banks. 1565 01:10:56,295 --> 01:10:57,775 [kids calling out] 1566 01:10:57,949 --> 01:10:58,689 Hey! 1567 01:10:58,863 --> 01:11:01,518 [kids cheering] 1568 01:11:06,436 --> 01:11:09,830 - Have you heard that the old punk's having a bonfire? 1569 01:11:10,004 --> 01:11:12,050 Clearing out his old clobber? 1570 01:11:12,224 --> 01:11:13,399 - Nobody knows what he's burning 1571 01:11:13,573 --> 01:11:15,401 and nobody knows what it's worth. 1572 01:11:15,575 --> 01:11:17,273 [kids calling out] 1573 01:11:17,447 --> 01:11:18,709 - Funny old world. 1574 01:11:18,883 --> 01:11:20,711 The establishments celebrate anarchy 1575 01:11:20,885 --> 01:11:22,713 and the punks are trying to save the planet. 1576 01:11:22,887 --> 01:11:26,107 - I thought the punks were the anarchists. 1577 01:11:26,282 --> 01:11:28,066 - No, it's the politicians. 1578 01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,722 - Welcome to The Great Punk Rock Swindle. 1579 01:11:31,896 --> 01:11:33,898 Punk provided an opportunity 1580 01:11:34,072 --> 01:11:37,989 for the no-future generation of the 1970s 1581 01:11:38,163 --> 01:11:40,078 to create a way out of it, 1582 01:11:40,252 --> 01:11:41,732 not trust in the media, 1583 01:11:41,906 --> 01:11:43,734 not trust in the politicians, 1584 01:11:45,170 --> 01:11:48,173 investigating the truth for yourself. 1585 01:11:48,347 --> 01:11:49,522 DIY. 1586 01:11:51,089 --> 01:11:54,266 If you want to understand the potent values of punk, 1587 01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:56,137 confront taboos, 1588 01:11:56,312 --> 01:11:58,575 do not tolerate hypocrisy, 1589 01:11:58,749 --> 01:12:01,447 investigate the truth for yourself. 1590 01:12:01,621 --> 01:12:06,583 You will find that the problems are up here 1591 01:12:07,888 --> 01:12:08,976 with all the corporations and the banks 1592 01:12:10,761 --> 01:12:13,981 and they're doing it with the help of this lot. 1593 01:12:14,155 --> 01:12:15,853 So what can we do? 1594 01:12:16,027 --> 01:12:19,726 Stop buying their lies and stop buying their products. 1595 01:12:22,947 --> 01:12:23,948 Now then. 1596 01:12:24,122 --> 01:12:25,906 Let me introduce you to the band, 1597 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:30,302 the greatest punk rock group ever, Extinction, 1598 01:12:31,651 --> 01:12:36,352 as they play their track record of your future. 1599 01:12:36,526 --> 01:12:40,356 [discordant rock music plays] 1600 01:12:48,451 --> 01:12:51,105 [fire crackling] 1601 01:12:55,414 --> 01:12:58,112 The Bullingdon boy Boris Johnson, 1602 01:13:00,158 --> 01:13:04,728 Sajid Javid coming to a town near you. 1603 01:13:04,902 --> 01:13:06,338 And for role to [voice drowned out] 1604 01:13:06,512 --> 01:13:09,123 the people of Lancashire of fracking. 1605 01:13:10,473 --> 01:13:12,388 Jeremy Hunt, Dr. Death. 1606 01:13:14,302 --> 01:13:15,260 [rocket flares] 1607 01:13:15,434 --> 01:13:18,524 Theresa Mayhem, secret squirrel, 1608 01:13:18,698 --> 01:13:20,134 secret [voice drowned out by music]. 1609 01:13:20,308 --> 01:13:24,574 [discordant rock music] [fireworks squealing] 1610 01:13:24,748 --> 01:13:26,358 George Osborne. 1611 01:13:26,532 --> 01:13:31,232 555-billion-pound of public debt under his innings. 1612 01:13:32,016 --> 01:13:34,758 [discordant rock music] 1613 01:13:34,932 --> 01:13:39,458 Dodgy Dave, Anarchy Andrea, 1614 01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:42,505 Go forth, George. 1615 01:13:42,679 --> 01:13:43,506 Goodbye. 1616 01:13:44,420 --> 01:13:46,726 Because what's got left behind 1617 01:13:46,900 --> 01:13:49,860 when all this is gone is just that lot, 1618 01:13:50,034 --> 01:13:53,211 and they can't do anything without this lot. 1619 01:13:53,385 --> 01:13:56,649 [discordant rock music] 1620 01:14:04,527 --> 01:14:06,877 [water spraying] 1621 01:14:07,051 --> 01:14:10,620 Why is that stuff of any value whatsoever? 1622 01:14:10,794 --> 01:14:11,577 Why? 1623 01:14:11,751 --> 01:14:13,057 Why? 1624 01:14:13,231 --> 01:14:14,841 Because it represented a moment in time 1625 01:14:15,015 --> 01:14:17,844 when people thought they could do something, 1626 01:14:19,237 --> 01:14:21,239 and then it just turned into a pose, 1627 01:14:21,413 --> 01:14:23,067 and it's been a pose ever since, 1628 01:14:23,241 --> 01:14:25,939 and now it's a pose that belongs to McDonald's, 1629 01:14:26,113 --> 01:14:30,770 Louis Vuitton, car insurance, and any other nonsense. 1630 01:14:30,944 --> 01:14:33,730 If this country and the people in this country 1631 01:14:33,904 --> 01:14:36,602 and internationally don't get serious 1632 01:14:36,776 --> 01:14:39,431 and their representatives don't get serious, 1633 01:14:39,605 --> 01:14:41,389 then we've got get them out. 1634 01:14:41,564 --> 01:14:42,913 And we've got to get people in 1635 01:14:43,087 --> 01:14:44,523 who are going to start doing it. 1636 01:14:44,697 --> 01:14:47,395 Because they're not representing your kids, 1637 01:14:47,570 --> 01:14:50,268 they're not representing your future. 1638 01:14:50,442 --> 01:14:52,357 And punk rock is a side show. 1639 01:14:52,531 --> 01:14:54,054 - [Journalist] Joe, some people said this was a hoax, 1640 01:14:54,228 --> 01:14:56,013 that you were burning stuff that wasn't valuable. 1641 01:14:56,187 --> 01:14:57,057 - This is real, isn't it? 1642 01:14:57,231 --> 01:14:58,102 You are here. 1643 01:14:58,276 --> 01:14:59,712 You are present, right? 1644 01:14:59,886 --> 01:15:01,061 - [Journalist] Yeah, but I'm not a collector 1645 01:15:01,235 --> 01:15:01,801 so I don't know if it was valuable. 1646 01:15:01,975 --> 01:15:02,889 - Who cares? 1647 01:15:03,063 --> 01:15:03,629 I'm glad you're not a collector. 1648 01:15:03,803 --> 01:15:04,412 You're sensible. 1649 01:15:04,587 --> 01:15:05,457 Anything else? 1650 01:15:07,067 --> 01:15:07,807 Good. 1651 01:15:07,981 --> 01:15:09,113 Thank you. 1652 01:15:09,287 --> 01:15:13,813 [crowd laughing and calling out] 1653 01:15:13,987 --> 01:15:17,643 - So, what was the point of burning punk? 1654 01:15:17,817 --> 01:15:19,906 You wanted to annoy people, didn't you? 1655 01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:21,386 Upset them. 1656 01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,823 You know, we love our rebels. 1657 01:15:23,997 --> 01:15:25,433 This is our national treasure. 1658 01:15:25,608 --> 01:15:28,132 It's worth five million quid. 1659 01:15:28,306 --> 01:15:29,307 - My name's Nick Reynolds. 1660 01:15:29,481 --> 01:15:31,439 I'm a sculptor. 1661 01:15:31,614 --> 01:15:32,876 I'm the only, to my knowledge, 1662 01:15:33,050 --> 01:15:35,879 specialist in death masks in the UK, 1663 01:15:36,053 --> 01:15:39,839 which is how I got to be pally with Joe. 1664 01:15:40,013 --> 01:15:43,495 I did his dad's death mask, Malcolm, 1665 01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:45,671 which you can see a couple of copies here. 1666 01:15:47,499 --> 01:15:48,805 The original one's in bronze 1667 01:15:48,979 --> 01:15:50,546 on his headstone at Highgate Cemetery, 1668 01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:52,243 for those who don't know. 1669 01:15:52,417 --> 01:15:54,637 And strangely enough, 1670 01:15:56,247 --> 01:15:57,465 we've got a bit of sort of 1671 01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,163 kind of kindred spirits of sorts 1672 01:15:59,337 --> 01:16:00,730 'cause my dad was Bruce Reynolds, 1673 01:16:00,904 --> 01:16:02,514 the mastermind at the Great Train Robbery, 1674 01:16:02,688 --> 01:16:05,517 and as you know, his partner in crime, Ronnie Biggs, 1675 01:16:05,691 --> 01:16:07,998 was once upon a time the lead singer 1676 01:16:08,172 --> 01:16:09,826 of the legendary Sex Pistols. 1677 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,219 So, we've both got rather naughty dads. 1678 01:16:12,393 --> 01:16:14,047 So, yeah, I'm looking forward to actually 1679 01:16:14,221 --> 01:16:17,442 seeing this all finished and seeing it in the gallery. 1680 01:16:17,616 --> 01:16:19,357 - I think for me, 1681 01:16:19,531 --> 01:16:21,098 when I first said I was going to burn all his stuff, 1682 01:16:21,272 --> 01:16:23,666 it was about getting a reaction out of people 1683 01:16:25,145 --> 01:16:29,236 and a public conversation going about price and value. 1684 01:16:29,410 --> 01:16:30,368 You know what I mean? 1685 01:16:30,542 --> 01:16:31,761 We know the price of a house, 1686 01:16:31,935 --> 01:16:33,284 but do we know the value of a home? 1687 01:16:33,458 --> 01:16:35,155 And I'll talk about that metaphorically. 1688 01:16:35,329 --> 01:16:38,245 The home being the world that we live in together. 1689 01:16:38,419 --> 01:16:41,858 [somber orchestral music] 1690 01:16:45,339 --> 01:16:48,473 - [Gallery Attendee] Very interesting to see the way 1691 01:16:48,647 --> 01:16:50,736 that you can just reduce five million pounds 1692 01:16:50,910 --> 01:16:52,608 into a small coffin, 1693 01:16:52,782 --> 01:16:54,348 and I'm still not sure 1694 01:16:54,522 --> 01:16:56,916 is it selfish and fucking sad or is it brilliant? 1695 01:16:59,179 --> 01:17:01,704 - [Finn] When you walk up into that room upstairs, 1696 01:17:01,878 --> 01:17:03,227 it's mind-blowing. 1697 01:17:03,401 --> 01:17:04,663 I've not seen anything like it. 1698 01:17:04,837 --> 01:17:06,186 - [Interviewer] Do you think anyone 1699 01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:07,753 would pay five million pound for the ashes? 1700 01:17:07,927 --> 01:17:09,886 - I think someone might pay more. 1701 01:17:10,060 --> 01:17:13,106 [somber orchestral music] 1702 01:17:15,413 --> 01:17:18,242 - I think that punk spirit transcends time, 1703 01:17:18,416 --> 01:17:21,245 so you can burn it and you can burn the memorabilia, 1704 01:17:21,419 --> 01:17:22,812 but I think the spirit lives. 1705 01:17:25,771 --> 01:17:28,034 - The situation that led to all 1706 01:17:28,208 --> 01:17:32,735 this amazing passion and spirit in historical form 1707 01:17:32,909 --> 01:17:36,260 being completely smashed and destroyed and exploited. 1708 01:17:36,434 --> 01:17:39,002 People over-commercialized and they manipulated 1709 01:17:39,176 --> 01:17:41,657 and re-appropriated the punk spirit, 1710 01:17:41,831 --> 01:17:45,008 and that is why we are stood in Mayfair, of all places, 1711 01:17:45,182 --> 01:17:47,010 looking at a pile of ash. 1712 01:17:47,184 --> 01:17:49,490 [somber orchestral music] 1713 01:17:49,665 --> 01:17:52,189 - [Sauven] You know, I really like this work of art 1714 01:17:52,363 --> 01:17:56,062 and I love the film that's being created that goes with it, 1715 01:17:56,236 --> 01:17:59,326 and I think if that provokes a conversation 1716 01:17:59,500 --> 01:18:03,200 and people start talking about what they really do value, 1717 01:18:03,374 --> 01:18:04,897 then, of course, 1718 01:18:05,071 --> 01:18:08,335 this becomes far more important than some old designs. 1719 01:18:08,509 --> 01:18:09,772 What are we actually valuing here? 1720 01:18:09,946 --> 01:18:11,904 Are we here valuing life? 1721 01:18:12,078 --> 01:18:12,992 Nature? 1722 01:18:13,166 --> 01:18:14,951 The beauty of planet Earth? 1723 01:18:15,125 --> 01:18:17,693 Or are we just turning into a commodity and just selling it 1724 01:18:17,867 --> 01:18:20,043 for whatever money we can make, 1725 01:18:20,217 --> 01:18:24,264 regardless of how much destruction it's actually causing? 1726 01:18:24,438 --> 01:18:26,963 [gulls cawing] 1727 01:18:27,964 --> 01:18:30,662 [pigs snorting] 1728 01:18:32,795 --> 01:18:36,059 [somber strings music] 1729 01:19:08,613 --> 01:19:10,833 - [Vivienne] I hate the establishment 1730 01:19:11,007 --> 01:19:13,139 because it's a killing machine 1731 01:19:13,313 --> 01:19:15,359 and the world could be different. 1732 01:19:15,533 --> 01:19:18,275 That's why I wanted anarchy. 1733 01:19:18,449 --> 01:19:20,756 But they're the real anarchists. 1734 01:19:20,930 --> 01:19:22,758 Their whole political, 1735 01:19:22,932 --> 01:19:27,850 domestic home policy and war policy is sow the whirlwind, 1736 01:19:28,633 --> 01:19:30,069 reap the whirlwind. 1737 01:19:30,243 --> 01:19:33,507 [somber strings music] 1738 01:19:35,118 --> 01:19:40,079 [animals howling] [birds chirping] 1739 01:20:06,758 --> 01:20:11,719 [animals screaming] [suspenseful music] 1740 01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:34,568 [suspenseful music echoes] 1741 01:20:38,398 --> 01:20:40,836 [eerie music] 1742 01:20:58,549 --> 01:20:59,942 ♪ Where are your eyes ♪ 1743 01:21:00,116 --> 01:21:01,465 ♪ That look so mild ♪ 1744 01:21:01,639 --> 01:21:03,119 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1745 01:21:03,293 --> 01:21:04,729 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1746 01:21:04,903 --> 01:21:06,296 ♪ Where are your eyes ♪ 1747 01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:07,950 ♪ That look so mild ♪ 1748 01:21:08,124 --> 01:21:09,647 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1749 01:21:09,821 --> 01:21:11,301 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1750 01:21:11,475 --> 01:21:12,868 ♪ Where are your eyes ♪ 1751 01:21:13,042 --> 01:21:14,739 ♪ That look so mild ♪ 1752 01:21:14,913 --> 01:21:19,091 ♪ When my poor heart you first beguiled ♪ 1753 01:21:19,265 --> 01:21:23,400 ♪ Why did you run from me and the child ♪ 1754 01:21:23,574 --> 01:21:28,361 ♪ Oh, Johnny, I hardly knew you ♪ 1755 01:21:28,535 --> 01:21:31,451 ♪ With drums and guns and guns and drums ♪ 1756 01:21:31,625 --> 01:21:32,975 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1757 01:21:33,149 --> 01:21:34,672 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1758 01:21:34,846 --> 01:21:37,631 ♪ With drums and guns and guns and drums ♪ 1759 01:21:37,805 --> 01:21:39,285 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1760 01:21:39,459 --> 01:21:41,026 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1761 01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:43,942 ♪ With drums and guns and guns and drums ♪ 1762 01:21:44,116 --> 01:21:48,251 ♪ The enemy nearly slew you ♪ 1763 01:21:48,425 --> 01:21:52,646 ♪ My darling, dear, you look so queer ♪ 1764 01:21:52,820 --> 01:21:57,303 ♪ Oh, Johnny, I hardly knew you ♪ 1765 01:21:57,477 --> 01:21:58,478 ♪ You haven't an arm ♪ 1766 01:21:58,652 --> 01:21:59,827 ♪ And you haven't a leg ♪ 1767 01:22:00,002 --> 01:22:01,177 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1768 01:22:01,351 --> 01:22:02,787 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1769 01:22:02,961 --> 01:22:03,831 ♪ You haven't an arm ♪ 1770 01:22:04,006 --> 01:22:05,268 ♪ You haven't a leg ♪ 1771 01:22:05,442 --> 01:22:06,660 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1772 01:22:06,834 --> 01:22:08,445 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1773 01:22:08,619 --> 01:22:10,838 ♪ You haven't an arm and you haven't a leg ♪ 1774 01:22:11,013 --> 01:22:14,625 ♪ You're an eyeless, nose-less, chicken-less egg ♪ 1775 01:22:14,799 --> 01:22:18,368 ♪ You'll have to be put with a bowl to beg ♪ 1776 01:22:18,542 --> 01:22:23,025 ♪ Oh, Johnny, I hardly knew you ♪ 1777 01:22:23,199 --> 01:22:26,332 ♪ But sad it is to see you so ♪ 1778 01:22:26,506 --> 01:22:27,855 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1779 01:22:28,030 --> 01:22:29,553 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1780 01:22:29,727 --> 01:22:32,817 ♪ But sad is to see you so ♪ 1781 01:22:32,991 --> 01:22:34,253 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1782 01:22:34,427 --> 01:22:36,299 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1783 01:22:36,473 --> 01:22:39,693 ♪ But sad it is to see you so ♪ 1784 01:22:39,867 --> 01:22:44,046 ♪ To think of you now as an object of woe ♪ 1785 01:22:44,220 --> 01:22:48,006 ♪ Your Peggy'll still keep you on as her beau ♪ 1786 01:22:48,180 --> 01:22:52,750 ♪ Oh, Johnny, I hardly knew you ♪ 1787 01:22:52,924 --> 01:22:56,188 ♪ With guns and drums and drums and guns ♪ 1788 01:22:56,362 --> 01:22:57,885 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1789 01:22:58,060 --> 01:22:59,583 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1790 01:22:59,757 --> 01:23:02,890 ♪ With drums and guns and guns and drums ♪ 1791 01:23:03,065 --> 01:23:04,544 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1792 01:23:04,718 --> 01:23:06,285 ♪ Hurroo ♪ 1793 01:23:06,459 --> 01:23:09,375 ♪ With drums and guns and guns and drums ♪ 1794 01:23:09,549 --> 01:23:13,597 ♪ The enemy nearly slewed you ♪ 1795 01:23:13,771 --> 01:23:18,689 ♪ My darling dear, you look so queer ♪ 1796 01:23:19,951 --> 01:23:23,781 ♪ Oh, Johnny, I hardly knew you ♪ 127419

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