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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,021 --> 00:00:05,023 (Air-raid siren wails) 2 00:00:40,621 --> 00:00:42,828 TONI MORRISON: "..we may be, indeed..." 3 00:00:42,861 --> 00:00:45,467 NINA KELLGREN: I always find this first voiceover, 4 00:00:45,501 --> 00:00:48,710 the Toni Morrison one, so powerful, so moving. 5 00:00:48,741 --> 00:00:51,142 - Yeah. - How did that happen? 6 00:00:51,181 --> 00:00:53,502 ISAAC JULIEN: Toni Morrison's voiceover happened 7 00:00:53,541 --> 00:00:55,623 because I went to James Baldwin's funeral, 8 00:00:55,661 --> 00:00:58,744 so that's why we have that in the beginning of the film. 9 00:00:58,781 --> 00:01:02,672 In a sense, it was one of the main reasons for making the piece of work. 10 00:01:02,701 --> 00:01:07,104 And just before that, there was that train on the bridge, that we reproduce tater. 11 00:01:07,141 --> 00:01:11,066 Yes, the train on the bridge is meant to be a metaphor for the blues, 12 00:01:11,101 --> 00:01:17,632 because when African-Americans first started to emigrate from the South to the North, 13 00:01:17,661 --> 00:01:19,982 quite a lot of the men used to use the train, 14 00:01:20,021 --> 00:01:24,902 and the train became a son of symbol in the blues for... 15 00:01:24,941 --> 00:01:28,070 being able to actually move from the South to the North, 16 00:01:28,101 --> 00:01:31,469 to an area of liberation, so to speak. 17 00:01:31,501 --> 00:01:33,902 It symbolises that voyage. 18 00:01:33,941 --> 00:01:37,150 Do you want to say anything about you in the box? (Laughs) 19 00:01:37,181 --> 00:01:41,664 That was meant to be two things: It was meant to be a pun, in the Barthesian sense, 20 00:01:41,701 --> 00:01:43,703 in terms of the death of the author. 21 00:01:43,741 --> 00:01:48,463 The other was obviously a relationship being made between the question of mourning - 22 00:01:48,501 --> 00:01:52,631 and, really, at that particular time, I did attend just so many funerals, 23 00:01:52,661 --> 00:01:54,663 so many friends of mine were dying 24 00:01:54,701 --> 00:01:58,308 that one was intrigued about what one would look like in a coffin, 25 00:01:58,341 --> 00:02:02,744 because it would be the kind of image you would never get to see yourself, of course. 26 00:02:02,781 --> 00:02:05,864 And so there was that son of idea, if you like. 27 00:02:12,741 --> 00:02:14,743 This is into our crane shot, 28 00:02:14,781 --> 00:02:17,307 our vertical transition between two spaces, 29 00:02:17,341 --> 00:02:20,151 which in your original script you had as a lateral, 30 00:02:20,181 --> 00:02:22,183 going between two rooms. 31 00:02:22,221 --> 00:02:24,030 But then we found this location 32 00:02:24,061 --> 00:02:28,191 and t got the grip into see if it would take the weight of the crane on the interior. 33 00:02:28,221 --> 00:02:32,909 We found a place where we could do this vertically, which was much better, wasn't it? 34 00:02:32,941 --> 00:02:38,630 Yes. That was one of the things that's very exciting about the role of locations in the film, 35 00:02:38,661 --> 00:02:44,464 and this location being really centrally important to the whole look of the film. 36 00:02:44,501 --> 00:02:46,503 Yeah, very important location. 37 00:02:46,541 --> 00:02:51,149 Isaac and I, and Derek Brown, the production designer, looked at quite a few locations 38 00:02:51,181 --> 00:02:52,990 before we settled on this one. 39 00:02:53,021 --> 00:02:56,946 It gave us so much gorgeous potential for black-and-white lighting. 40 00:02:56,981 --> 00:02:58,983 It's a very architectural space, 41 00:02:59,021 --> 00:03:02,025 full of iron balustrades, railings, columns. 42 00:03:02,061 --> 00:03:05,190 t think both Derek and t thought it was a fantastic space 43 00:03:05,221 --> 00:03:07,383 to work with Isaac's idea, with the script, 44 00:03:07,421 --> 00:03:11,346 and with the images that were being seen - black-and-white photographs. 45 00:03:11,381 --> 00:03:13,383 ANNOUNCER: In Memoriam - Langston Hughes. 46 00:03:13,421 --> 00:03:16,743 A blending of memories, tributes and his own words. 47 00:03:16,781 --> 00:03:18,783 (Moving train) 48 00:03:23,181 --> 00:03:25,183 ♪ Blues 49 00:03:54,901 --> 00:03:56,903 "Sun's a-settin'." 50 00:03:56,941 --> 00:03:58,943 ISAAC: In this archival sequence 51 00:03:58,981 --> 00:04:03,828 Langston Hughes is reciting the Ballad Of The Fortune Teller. 52 00:04:04,421 --> 00:04:10,064 He used to do this thing where he used to recite his poetry with a jazz quartet. 53 00:04:10,101 --> 00:04:16,222 In fact, his poetry and syntax was very much emulating jazz and blues, 54 00:04:16,261 --> 00:04:18,548 and so this also became one of the reasons 55 00:04:18,581 --> 00:04:25,465 why we used a son of jazz/blues soundtrack for the actual film. 56 00:04:25,501 --> 00:04:30,189 I was just looking at that tracking shot from the record player to Langston's face - 57 00:04:30,221 --> 00:04:34,067 or actor who stands in for Langston Hughes - 58 00:04:34,101 --> 00:04:37,503 and that beautiful over-exposure at some points 59 00:04:37,541 --> 00:04:41,626 and out-of-focusness that you could never ever get on a digital medium. 60 00:04:41,661 --> 00:04:44,505 That is pure black-and-white film at its best. 61 00:04:44,541 --> 00:04:46,543 ♪ Blues singing 62 00:04:49,741 --> 00:04:52,984 ♪ You love this music 63 00:04:53,941 --> 00:04:57,423 ♪ God knows, we love this music too 64 00:04:57,461 --> 00:05:01,147 ♪ My man's got a heart like a rock... 65 00:05:01,181 --> 00:05:04,981 ISAAC: Here we have Bessie Smith in St Louis Blues, 66 00:05:05,021 --> 00:05:08,912 which is ostensibly the first rock promo that was made. 67 00:05:08,941 --> 00:05:12,070 This is a film which we found at the Museum of Modern An, 68 00:05:12,101 --> 00:05:17,392 and we were able to use this as a son of intertextual reference 69 00:05:17,421 --> 00:05:20,311 in relationship to trying to think about the blues, 70 00:05:20,341 --> 00:05:26,223 because the blues was the first expression really where we can hear, as it were, 71 00:05:26,261 --> 00:05:28,912 the articulation of a queer desire. 72 00:05:28,941 --> 00:05:31,751 Later on in the film you'll hear Sissy Man Blues 73 00:05:32,661 --> 00:05:35,141 and another song called Freakish Man Blues, 74 00:05:35,181 --> 00:05:42,702 and all of these songs are articulating questions around sexuality or sexual issues, 75 00:05:42,741 --> 00:05:47,952 which are trying to describe the different kind of sexual relations which are taking place, 76 00:05:47,981 --> 00:05:49,983 in that particular time, 77 00:05:50,021 --> 00:05:52,547 so the blues and song were very important. 78 00:05:52,581 --> 00:05:55,869 In fact, the song Blues For Langston 79 00:05:55,901 --> 00:06:01,067 and the soundtrack existed 18 months before any of the film was shot. 80 00:06:01,101 --> 00:06:03,103 When we were shooting the film, 81 00:06:03,141 --> 00:06:09,148 we were also using the music to help us construct the pacing of the tracking shots. 82 00:06:10,221 --> 00:06:14,306 We'd listen to it on set or on location to get the right feet, 83 00:06:14,341 --> 00:06:16,548 because the feet of the pace of the track 84 00:06:16,581 --> 00:06:19,505 obviously has to really work with that soundtrack. 85 00:06:20,101 --> 00:06:21,751 ANNOUNCER: A friend of Bruce Nugent, 86 00:06:21,781 --> 00:06:24,705 a friend of Alain Locke, a friend of Wallace Thurman, 87 00:06:24,741 --> 00:06:27,187 admired for their intelligence and their art. 88 00:06:28,221 --> 00:06:30,747 Were they seeking the approval of their race? 89 00:06:30,781 --> 00:06:34,388 Or of the black middle class and the white literary establishment? 90 00:06:34,421 --> 00:06:35,582 (Typewriter taps) 91 00:06:35,621 --> 00:06:37,623 Langston Hughes wrote: 92 00:06:37,661 --> 00:06:40,346 "The ordinary negro hadn't heard of the Renaissance, 93 00:06:40,381 --> 00:06:43,669 and if they had, it hadn't raised their wages any." 94 00:06:45,501 --> 00:06:47,629 Baraka said: "Harlem was vicious..." 95 00:06:47,661 --> 00:06:51,461 ISAAC: In this tracking shot, you've got the Van der Zee photograph 96 00:06:51,501 --> 00:06:55,392 then "Fire" is the letter which has been written by Wallace Thurman, 97 00:06:55,421 --> 00:06:57,742 so this is the Wallace Thurman character, 98 00:06:57,781 --> 00:07:01,069 and imagining him being in his apartment. 99 00:07:01,101 --> 00:07:05,629 There we have Countee Cullen's On These I Stand, 100 00:07:05,661 --> 00:07:07,663 his book of poems. 101 00:07:07,701 --> 00:07:09,829 "..Even if it was a widely shared one." 102 00:07:09,861 --> 00:07:11,863 (Police siren) 103 00:07:13,861 --> 00:07:15,863 ♪ Blues piano 104 00:07:20,861 --> 00:07:25,469 NINA: Now we're back on the crane, everyone 's frozen, as if in a still photograph. 105 00:07:25,501 --> 00:07:28,710 But we're moving, the camera's moving. And the smoke is moving. 106 00:07:28,741 --> 00:07:32,951 Smokes used as almost a sculptural element in this. It's not atmos smoke. 107 00:07:32,981 --> 00:07:35,712 I think one of the things about the relationship 108 00:07:35,741 --> 00:07:39,029 between photography and the moving image and stillness, 109 00:07:39,061 --> 00:07:42,668 which was one of the other things which we were thinking a lot about, 110 00:07:42,701 --> 00:07:48,663 was really trying to evoke a play between both the still and moving image, 111 00:07:48,701 --> 00:07:51,989 and obviously in relationship to the question of memory, 112 00:07:52,021 --> 00:07:58,142 and I think this whole idea of evoking a mood that would emulate a particular time, 113 00:07:58,181 --> 00:08:01,310 and, at the same time, create this subterranean world, 114 00:08:01,341 --> 00:08:04,584 where, basically, we are in a speakeasy. 115 00:08:05,341 --> 00:08:09,426 The speakeasy which is being constructed here 116 00:08:09,461 --> 00:08:15,230 would be one of the sons of bars that perhaps one would have gone to in Harlem 117 00:08:15,261 --> 00:08:17,263 in the Twenties and the Thirties. 118 00:08:19,261 --> 00:08:22,788 But, obviously, in this film, it's very much about the mythic, 119 00:08:22,821 --> 00:08:28,669 and it's very much about trying to not really construct anything to do with a reality, 120 00:08:28,701 --> 00:08:33,741 but really a phantasmatic or stylised son of space. 121 00:08:33,781 --> 00:08:35,783 I think this idea of fantasy, 122 00:08:35,821 --> 00:08:43,512 and trying to construct a space to articulate desire, is really very important. 123 00:08:43,541 --> 00:08:45,828 ♪ Freakish Man Blues 124 00:08:45,861 --> 00:08:48,262 ♪ You mix ink with water 125 00:08:49,301 --> 00:08:52,111 ♪ Bound to turn it black 126 00:08:54,181 --> 00:08:55,785 ♪ You run around with funny people 127 00:08:55,821 --> 00:09:00,031 ♪ You get a streak of it up your back 128 00:09:02,261 --> 00:09:04,263 ♪ There was a time when I was alone 129 00:09:05,341 --> 00:09:08,788 ♪ My freakish ways to see 130 00:09:10,341 --> 00:09:12,548 ♪ There was a time when I was alone 131 00:09:13,021 --> 00:09:16,025 ♪ My freakish ways to see 132 00:09:18,621 --> 00:09:20,589 ♪ But they're so common now 133 00:09:20,621 --> 00:09:23,386 ♪ You get one every day in the week 134 00:09:26,381 --> 00:09:29,430 ♪ Had a strange feelin' this morning... 135 00:09:29,461 --> 00:09:33,705 ISAAC: The song that's being sung behind is Freakish Man Blues. 136 00:09:34,341 --> 00:09:39,745 So this is also probably one of the first blues songs which have been recorded 137 00:09:39,781 --> 00:09:45,982 that is actually articulating this question of a black, bisexual, gay desire, 138 00:09:46,021 --> 00:09:48,627 so there are all these intertextual references. 139 00:09:48,661 --> 00:09:51,710 It's not just a song that is a blues song. 140 00:09:51,741 --> 00:09:56,702 It's a song that has a very specific and historical reference. 141 00:09:59,661 --> 00:10:04,269 Each still in Looking For Langston, or moving frame in the film, 142 00:10:04,301 --> 00:10:06,303 could be a pictorial photograph. 143 00:10:06,341 --> 00:10:11,381 I think the question of pictorialism is very important in the piece. 144 00:10:11,421 --> 00:10:13,423 I think this particular shot, 145 00:10:13,461 --> 00:10:19,343 which is the parody of a quite famous George Platt Lynes photograph, 146 00:10:19,381 --> 00:10:22,942 is an interesting one for us to really discuss. 147 00:10:22,981 --> 00:10:28,465 In it, what I was interested in doing was to try to parody the shot, 148 00:10:28,501 --> 00:10:31,789 but then to do something else with that as well. 149 00:10:31,821 --> 00:10:34,904 So it's, in a way, bringing photographs to life. 150 00:10:35,941 --> 00:10:38,945 That's enhanced by the tracking shot, 151 00:10:38,981 --> 00:10:42,588 but also by the lighting, which is different. 152 00:10:42,621 --> 00:10:44,908 - In a way, it's improved. (Nina laughs) 153 00:10:49,181 --> 00:10:51,866 We also just shifted its meaning, in a way, as well, 154 00:10:51,901 --> 00:10:54,222 towards something else that you wanted to do. 155 00:10:54,261 --> 00:10:58,346 We've got some stills of Isaac and l sitting on the bed discussing this shot, 156 00:10:58,381 --> 00:11:02,909 looking at the original and talking about the changes that we were going to make. 157 00:11:02,941 --> 00:11:05,865 At some other point, you can just see that stilt photograph 158 00:11:05,901 --> 00:11:07,585 and compare the lighting on the body, 159 00:11:07,621 --> 00:11:11,467 particularly if you look at that very first long, slow track along the body, 160 00:11:11,501 --> 00:11:13,105 which is really, really gorgeous, 161 00:11:13,141 --> 00:11:17,351 and the way the tight models that body on the bed, and then took at the original. 162 00:11:17,381 --> 00:11:18,985 We did something else with it. 163 00:11:19,021 --> 00:11:22,742 And the bed itself - a different choice by the production designer and Isaac, 164 00:11:22,781 --> 00:11:24,510 which gives it a different meaning. 165 00:11:24,541 --> 00:11:27,750 There's a moving light in the background, the gaffer needed a candle. 166 00:11:27,781 --> 00:11:30,261 We used a particular gobo that she produced. 167 00:11:30,301 --> 00:11:32,303 Everything is slightly shifting, 168 00:11:32,341 --> 00:11:35,743 so you're never in a fixed, known, absolutely known, space. 169 00:11:36,821 --> 00:11:38,823 We 're not saying this is a particular room. 170 00:11:38,861 --> 00:11:43,071 All the time we're taking you out into a, kind of, an emotional area, really. 171 00:11:44,581 --> 00:11:46,663 I think, also, one of the other things 172 00:11:46,701 --> 00:11:52,231 was really trying to think about the different racial representations in it as well. 173 00:11:52,261 --> 00:11:54,468 In the George Platt Lynes photographs 174 00:11:54,501 --> 00:11:57,266 all the subjects are white. 175 00:11:57,301 --> 00:12:03,183 I think there's also this idea of trying to insert, as it were, other representations, 176 00:12:03,621 --> 00:12:07,023 specifically black, gay representations, in their place. 177 00:12:07,821 --> 00:12:13,385 In a way, this parodying is very much central in the making of the film. 178 00:12:13,421 --> 00:12:16,743 Robert Mapplethorpe was also another influence in the film, 179 00:12:16,781 --> 00:12:18,783 and we're thinking about that 180 00:12:18,821 --> 00:12:23,224 in relationship to trying to not fetishise a black body in the same son of way, 181 00:12:23,261 --> 00:12:30,827 to create a sensuous representation that perhaps has a softer edge to it 182 00:12:30,861 --> 00:12:33,341 than the one which Mapplethorpe would give. 183 00:12:33,381 --> 00:12:37,989 Nonetheless, I think Mapplethorpe is also someone that we're very much thinking about 184 00:12:38,021 --> 00:12:41,423 when making the piece of work, and making the images. 185 00:12:43,861 --> 00:12:47,661 "His eyes wandered on past the muscular hocks to the firm thighs... 186 00:12:49,501 --> 00:12:52,072 ...the rounded buttocks, then the... 187 00:12:52,101 --> 00:12:55,503 NINA: We 're out in the salt marshes at this point in the film. 188 00:12:55,541 --> 00:12:57,543 ...and broad, deep chest." 189 00:12:57,581 --> 00:13:00,710 ISAAC: I think one of things that's amazing is this crane shot, 190 00:13:00,741 --> 00:13:03,665 which we have the photograph here of you preparing. 191 00:13:03,701 --> 00:13:06,227 There is a small technical story to this shot. 192 00:13:06,261 --> 00:13:08,263 When we recced it, the tide was out. 193 00:13:08,301 --> 00:13:11,783 The tide obviously doesnt come in this far because it's a salt marsh, 194 00:13:11,821 --> 00:13:14,028 but the water comes up underneath the land. 195 00:13:14,061 --> 00:13:16,871 When we recced it, the tide was out, so it was dry and firm. 196 00:13:16,901 --> 00:13:21,782 Picked a spot for the crane, we've come back and, of course, the tide 's in and it's soft. 197 00:13:21,821 --> 00:13:24,825 We did find another equally good place for the crane. 198 00:13:24,861 --> 00:13:28,104 That's one of the things you learn as a DP. (Laughs) 199 00:13:28,781 --> 00:13:30,465 "..he became confused." 200 00:13:30,501 --> 00:13:33,232 But the reveal's great, and you're just on the surface, 201 00:13:33,261 --> 00:13:36,663 and then you come up and there are these beautiful pools going away. 202 00:13:36,701 --> 00:13:40,547 Also, the poem which is being read through this sequence 203 00:13:40,581 --> 00:13:43,187 is a poem called Smoke, Lilies And Jade, 204 00:13:43,221 --> 00:13:45,986 which was written by Bruce Nugent. 205 00:13:46,661 --> 00:13:51,986 And it's the first black, queer text to appear in a literary journal. 206 00:13:52,621 --> 00:13:54,623 It appeared in Fire. 207 00:13:56,461 --> 00:14:01,911 One of the things about this text really was that it was so controversial when it was written 208 00:14:01,941 --> 00:14:09,871 that there was a protest made by a number of black bourgeois intelligentsia against it. 209 00:14:09,901 --> 00:14:16,147 The thing that's very interesting for me was that we, again, had this quite interesting text 210 00:14:16,181 --> 00:14:19,947 that we didn't want to literally represent. 211 00:14:21,021 --> 00:14:29,623 And so the flatness of the marsh goes against the pictorial, florid iconography in that poem. 212 00:14:29,661 --> 00:14:31,663 "He flushed warm with shame. 213 00:14:33,781 --> 00:14:35,863 Or was it shame? 214 00:14:39,501 --> 00:14:42,311 His pulse was hammering from wrist to fingertip. 215 00:14:43,821 --> 00:14:45,823 Beauty's lips touched his. 216 00:14:47,341 --> 00:14:49,343 His temples throbbed. 217 00:14:50,381 --> 00:14:52,383 Beauty's breath came short now." 218 00:14:52,421 --> 00:14:56,221 NINA: Just looking at the kiss, as well, I slowed that down in the camera. 219 00:14:56,261 --> 00:14:58,070 You don't really read it as slow motion, 220 00:14:58,101 --> 00:15:03,267 but it gives it a weight and a heaviness and a sensuality that I think really helps. 221 00:15:03,301 --> 00:15:05,303 (Both laugh) 222 00:15:05,341 --> 00:15:10,029 And then we have this shot here which is really the classic shot. 223 00:15:10,061 --> 00:15:13,588 It was the shot which was used for the poster campaign of the film 224 00:15:13,621 --> 00:15:17,182 when it first was released in Berlin in 1989. 225 00:15:17,221 --> 00:15:20,384 Also it's, in the iconic sense, 226 00:15:20,421 --> 00:15:24,221 one of the images which were used when the film was released. 227 00:15:24,261 --> 00:15:29,301 Again, it's a parody of a George Platt Lynes photograph. 228 00:15:29,341 --> 00:15:34,552 It's actually one of the only photographs where he has a black subject 229 00:15:34,581 --> 00:15:36,583 coupled with a white subject. 230 00:15:36,621 --> 00:15:38,589 In this translation of it 231 00:15:38,621 --> 00:15:40,942 I have two black subjects. 232 00:15:41,581 --> 00:15:43,663 That said, they're quite light-skinned 233 00:15:43,701 --> 00:15:45,703 and that was also one of the issues 234 00:15:45,741 --> 00:15:47,743 which came up as a debate 235 00:15:47,781 --> 00:15:49,783 at the time when it was made. 236 00:15:49,821 --> 00:15:53,746 Of course, this debate very much is connected to the question of class 237 00:15:53,781 --> 00:15:56,910 and the kind of society that one's depicting, 238 00:15:57,941 --> 00:16:03,584 where, basically, the question of class and caste 239 00:16:03,621 --> 00:16:09,105 is really centrally implicated in who is an artist and who isn't. 240 00:16:09,981 --> 00:16:11,904 ♪ Jazzy piano 241 00:16:54,141 --> 00:16:58,465 "He said: Put no difference into your tone when you speak of his name. 242 00:16:59,221 --> 00:17:02,464 Wear no forced air of solemnity or sorrow. 243 00:17:03,621 --> 00:17:05,703 Let my name be spoken without effect. 244 00:17:06,821 --> 00:17:09,950 Without the ghost of shadow on it." 245 00:17:14,261 --> 00:17:15,706 ♪ Blues 246 00:17:15,741 --> 00:17:19,223 ISAAC: This is one of the tracking shots that I was very excited about 247 00:17:19,261 --> 00:17:21,263 when we were making the film, 248 00:17:21,301 --> 00:17:25,784 because it's a track which we laid across the whole room. 249 00:17:26,821 --> 00:17:32,032 It was a tracking shot which was surveying the whole space, 250 00:17:32,061 --> 00:17:35,747 and in it we have images of James Baldwin, 251 00:17:36,661 --> 00:17:38,663 images of Langston Hughes, 252 00:17:39,261 --> 00:17:46,190 and then you have this son of, if you like, very languid exploration of the space. 253 00:17:47,981 --> 00:17:52,589 And then, of course, we have the refrain of the Blues For Langston song as well. 254 00:17:52,621 --> 00:17:55,943 But I thought that in this shot we really achieved something 255 00:17:55,981 --> 00:17:59,702 in relationship to thinking about the use of long tracking shots, 256 00:17:59,741 --> 00:18:02,790 and also the use of choreography. 257 00:18:02,821 --> 00:18:06,223 That's one of the real aspects which is really important 258 00:18:06,861 --> 00:18:09,671 into the way that the film was made, 259 00:18:09,701 --> 00:18:14,832 that we're thinking about trying to link quite long tracking shots, 260 00:18:14,861 --> 00:18:18,786 which would, in a way, give the space in the film 261 00:18:18,821 --> 00:18:23,190 for there to be a sort of meditation that could be performed. 262 00:18:23,221 --> 00:18:26,942 If we look at some transitions in the film, like the one I've just seen, 263 00:18:26,981 --> 00:18:28,585 shadow is enormously important. 264 00:18:28,621 --> 00:18:30,510 That whole way of keeping the flow going, 265 00:18:30,541 --> 00:18:35,183 and moving shots that go into one another, fade into each other, or cut into one another. 266 00:18:35,221 --> 00:18:38,942 ll helps the audience really hear, or really listen to, a soundtrack. 267 00:18:38,981 --> 00:18:43,509 In this sequence we're very much thinking about the play between light and dark. 268 00:18:43,541 --> 00:18:48,911 It begins with this tracking shot at the gasometers in King's Cross, 269 00:18:48,941 --> 00:18:51,342 which was shot at dusk, 270 00:18:51,381 --> 00:18:53,588 waiting for a particular sort of light. 271 00:18:53,621 --> 00:18:55,749 Again, there's the use of a tracking shot, 272 00:18:55,781 --> 00:18:58,785 where it's tracking forward and then backtracking. 273 00:19:02,741 --> 00:19:04,743 Again, the light here's quite hard. 274 00:19:04,781 --> 00:19:06,783 It's hard for a particular reason 275 00:19:06,821 --> 00:19:12,146 in relationship to trying to think about the question of shadowing. 276 00:19:12,181 --> 00:19:15,310 This is the point in the cemetery where we lost the main tights. 277 00:19:15,341 --> 00:19:19,903 We were basically left with one sun gun, which is a handheld, battery-operated lamp. 278 00:19:19,941 --> 00:19:22,831 But if you shift that lamp, again it reveals depth. 279 00:19:22,861 --> 00:19:26,911 S0 you can actually even use just one lamp to create some feeling, 280 00:19:26,941 --> 00:19:29,023 as the light picks up and reveals things. 281 00:19:29,061 --> 00:19:31,063 It does great things. 282 00:19:31,101 --> 00:19:33,342 "Above or below, a man. 283 00:19:34,661 --> 00:19:36,663 This is our heat." 284 00:19:36,701 --> 00:19:39,022 ISAAC: I remember in this shot where, basically, 285 00:19:39,061 --> 00:19:42,383 at one point we were saying that there wasn't enough light. 286 00:19:42,421 --> 00:19:44,423 We were really pushed! 287 00:19:44,461 --> 00:19:46,828 I really wanted it to be very dark. 288 00:19:46,861 --> 00:19:49,467 That was really very important- 289 00:19:51,261 --> 00:19:54,390 that darkness would be a feature. 290 00:19:54,421 --> 00:19:56,662 I think particularly in this tracking shot here 291 00:19:56,701 --> 00:20:00,501 where you're not able to quite make out what son of space you're in, 292 00:20:01,661 --> 00:20:03,663 and then the reveal, 293 00:20:03,701 --> 00:20:11,791 is very much part of trying to reconstruct or create a spatial kind of displacement 294 00:20:11,821 --> 00:20:13,550 within the image, 295 00:20:13,581 --> 00:20:15,583 which you can do in black and white. 296 00:20:15,621 --> 00:20:17,623 Very important in the film. 297 00:20:18,301 --> 00:20:20,907 "We don't have to say, 'I love you.' 298 00:20:21,701 --> 00:20:23,703 The dark swallows it, 299 00:20:24,741 --> 00:20:26,948 and sighs like we sigh." 300 00:20:26,981 --> 00:20:30,190 Also, I was very nervous about shooting in the cemetery, 301 00:20:30,221 --> 00:20:34,704 because I was very worried about the implications of what one was trying to... 302 00:20:34,741 --> 00:20:42,307 in a way, equate the question of desire and death, if you like, simultaneously, 303 00:20:42,341 --> 00:20:46,232 and I was very worried about it perhaps being too literal, 304 00:20:46,261 --> 00:20:48,662 or sending the wrong ideological message. 305 00:20:48,701 --> 00:20:51,591 And it was very interesting to think about how... 306 00:20:51,621 --> 00:20:55,148 again, the black-and-white photography and the tracking shots 307 00:20:56,181 --> 00:21:02,462 gave a completely opposite picture, or picturing, to these scenes, 308 00:21:03,701 --> 00:21:08,832 then trying to think about shots where you don't want too many things to actually happen 309 00:21:08,861 --> 00:21:10,863 within the shot itself- 310 00:21:10,901 --> 00:21:12,903 quite simple gestures and actions. 311 00:21:12,941 --> 00:21:14,943 Yeah, 'cos the soundtrack so rich, 312 00:21:14,981 --> 00:21:18,702 you don't want too much going on in the image at that particular point. 313 00:21:18,741 --> 00:21:20,743 "..destroy it from within. 314 00:21:20,781 --> 00:21:22,783 But the disillusioned, 315 00:21:23,581 --> 00:21:28,508 those who've lost the stardust, the moondance, the waterfront, 316 00:21:29,541 --> 00:21:32,431 like them, I long for my past. 317 00:21:33,461 --> 00:21:36,863 When I was ten, thirteen, twenty... 318 00:21:37,901 --> 00:21:39,505 ...l wanted candy, 319 00:21:39,541 --> 00:21:42,511 five dollars a ride." 320 00:21:48,221 --> 00:21:50,827 Classic, classic film noir shot. 321 00:22:09,581 --> 00:22:13,586 ♪ Oh, ho-ho-ho-ho, ohh 322 00:22:16,101 --> 00:22:18,502 ♪ Come on, look at me 323 00:22:19,581 --> 00:22:21,583 ♪ Beautiful black man... 324 00:22:21,621 --> 00:22:24,943 I feel I should talk a little bit in this sequence about Blackberri, 325 00:22:24,981 --> 00:22:27,905 the musician who has composed and is singing this song. 326 00:22:29,421 --> 00:22:35,781 I first heard this song actually in a conference in 1986, in Los Angeles. 327 00:22:35,821 --> 00:22:37,823 And I met Blackberri, 328 00:22:37,861 --> 00:22:40,671 who was this black, gay musician and performer. 329 00:22:40,701 --> 00:22:43,671 And...as soon as I heard this song, 330 00:22:44,501 --> 00:22:47,027 I knew that I wanted this song to be in the film. 331 00:22:48,021 --> 00:22:52,265 And, very fortunately for me, he was coming to London, 332 00:22:52,301 --> 00:22:54,781 and we recorded this live in a studio, 333 00:22:54,821 --> 00:22:56,823 with a jazz quartet. 334 00:22:59,061 --> 00:23:01,063 And the jazz quartet included... 335 00:23:02,221 --> 00:23:07,227 ...Julian Joseph, who's actually quite a famous jazz musician now. 336 00:23:08,061 --> 00:23:11,588 ♪ They want two pictures, did they want three? 337 00:23:12,981 --> 00:23:16,463 ♪ I know it's hard, but sometimes we must... 338 00:23:16,501 --> 00:23:18,629 And one of the things about this scene, 339 00:23:19,301 --> 00:23:22,828 is that I wanted to try to construct a space 340 00:23:23,821 --> 00:23:29,066 that would be able to replicate some of the issues which were being sung in the song, 341 00:23:29,101 --> 00:23:32,105 and at the same time try to relate that historically. 342 00:23:32,821 --> 00:23:35,552 So there's a clip from Ten Minutes To Live, 343 00:23:35,581 --> 00:23:37,583 a film by Oscar Micheaux, 344 00:23:37,621 --> 00:23:42,104 and then this is an archive of negro artists. 345 00:23:42,141 --> 00:23:46,032 It was, in a way, a film that was trying to show 346 00:23:46,061 --> 00:23:49,952 that some positive developments were taking place. 347 00:23:49,981 --> 00:23:51,392 ♪ You're beautiful 348 00:23:51,421 --> 00:23:53,230 ♪ You've got a beautiful face 349 00:23:53,261 --> 00:23:58,392 ♪ I'm saying you're beautifu-u-ul... 350 00:23:59,701 --> 00:24:02,625 You could say it was like a propaganda film, in fact, 351 00:24:02,661 --> 00:24:06,905 that was being made during the Thirties, during the Depression, 352 00:24:06,941 --> 00:24:10,468 to try to show a different son of picture. 353 00:24:10,501 --> 00:24:15,189 But all of these occasions are quite famous moments 354 00:24:15,221 --> 00:24:17,952 in African-American history, 355 00:24:18,621 --> 00:24:20,623 in terms of the black ans. 356 00:24:20,661 --> 00:24:23,585 They're all very well-known painters, 357 00:24:24,821 --> 00:24:28,223 and artists that appear in the actual film. 358 00:24:31,981 --> 00:24:35,906 NARRATOR: By the end of the Twenties, negroes were no longer in vogue. 359 00:24:36,621 --> 00:24:38,942 Patrons found other uses for their money. 360 00:24:39,741 --> 00:24:42,631 Sophisticated New Yorkers turned to Noél Coward, 361 00:24:43,661 --> 00:24:46,870 and coloured artists and writers began to go hungry. 362 00:24:48,661 --> 00:24:52,552 History- the smiler with the knife under the cloak. 363 00:24:54,421 --> 00:24:56,423 (Police siren wails) 364 00:25:16,661 --> 00:25:19,062 "He speaks good damn English to me. 365 00:25:19,741 --> 00:25:21,743 I'm his brother- Carver. 366 00:25:21,781 --> 00:25:26,184 He doesn't speak that 'dis' and 'dat' bull I've seen quoted." 367 00:25:26,221 --> 00:25:30,545 ISAAC: One of the things I wanted them to do was to make all their movements very slow, 368 00:25:30,581 --> 00:25:33,551 creating a timeless atmosphere, 369 00:25:33,581 --> 00:25:35,583 making the action slowed down, 370 00:25:36,501 --> 00:25:39,391 so something could look like it was in slow motion, 371 00:25:39,421 --> 00:25:41,822 as well as sometimes slowing down the film. 372 00:25:41,861 --> 00:25:45,070 But deliberately asking the performers to move slowly. 373 00:25:45,101 --> 00:25:47,991 We've got a combination of things happening in this film. 374 00:25:48,021 --> 00:25:51,946 Sometimes the camera's running slightly slow, sometimes the performers... 375 00:25:51,981 --> 00:25:56,782 Isaac's asked the performers to move in a stow and languid way, to contribute to the feet. 376 00:25:56,821 --> 00:26:00,030 All this was done live, of course, none of this is digital. 377 00:26:00,061 --> 00:26:03,463 This is a live...event, almost, if you like, 378 00:26:03,501 --> 00:26:07,222 with the tracking shot co-ordinated with movement with the projection - 379 00:26:07,261 --> 00:26:09,867 on muslin, I think we had it on, hanging muslin. 380 00:26:09,901 --> 00:26:12,188 So there 's movement in those images too. 381 00:26:12,221 --> 00:26:15,828 S0 they waft - that's another level of sensuality that comes into these. 382 00:26:15,861 --> 00:26:17,863 When he touches them, they move. 383 00:26:17,901 --> 00:26:22,623 The thing that was really very important, was how could we use certain images... 384 00:26:23,621 --> 00:26:29,947 but in a way that would add to a stylisation of the actual tracking shot 385 00:26:29,981 --> 00:26:32,188 that would aid movement? 386 00:26:33,421 --> 00:26:36,504 And so I think it was this son of use of back projection 387 00:26:37,181 --> 00:26:42,950 and also the kind of coming together of the projected image and the performance 388 00:26:42,981 --> 00:26:46,224 that's taking place in front of that and behind it, 389 00:26:47,021 --> 00:26:50,104 using the front and also the back of the tracking shot, 390 00:26:51,021 --> 00:26:54,423 the same movement to say different things. 391 00:27:06,941 --> 00:27:08,943 (Projector whirs) 392 00:27:12,141 --> 00:27:14,143 "Lowering my pants... 393 00:27:14,181 --> 00:27:16,309 before another mouth. 394 00:27:18,141 --> 00:27:22,271 The cheap movie reel rattles in its compartment." 395 00:27:22,301 --> 00:27:24,303 This was a very difficult shot to do. 396 00:27:25,101 --> 00:27:28,787 Because, basically, it's just the edge of someone's head, 397 00:27:28,821 --> 00:27:30,550 and it's all black. 398 00:27:30,581 --> 00:27:34,870 And the person's got black hair and they're black and they're in a dark space. 399 00:27:34,901 --> 00:27:37,632 Then you're trying to reveal them in one shot. 400 00:27:37,661 --> 00:27:42,144 And some of the shots we were trying to do were quite difficult shots to achieve. 401 00:27:42,181 --> 00:27:45,902 It's a really simple shot but technically it's really difficult. 402 00:27:45,941 --> 00:27:50,344 Down from the screen onto the back of his head, tracking round him, very tight and close. 403 00:27:50,381 --> 00:27:52,668 It's a bit of a focus puller's nightmare. 404 00:27:52,701 --> 00:27:54,829 (Laughs) But we got there in the end. 405 00:27:56,021 --> 00:28:00,310 "Giving the movie its dialogue. 406 00:28:13,101 --> 00:28:16,105 Now we think...as we fuck 407 00:28:17,021 --> 00:28:20,025 this...nut...might...kill us. 408 00:28:21,421 --> 00:28:24,504 There might be a pin-sized hole..." 409 00:28:24,541 --> 00:28:28,546 That sequence - what we're doing is actually flagging tights on and off. 410 00:28:28,581 --> 00:28:31,391 There's light shifting from the video screen on the face, 411 00:28:31,421 --> 00:28:35,824 but on the couple together there's lights on and off - you leave things to the imagination. 412 00:28:35,861 --> 00:28:37,625 You don't have to see everything. 413 00:28:37,661 --> 00:28:41,461 "putting lips, tongues, everywhere." 414 00:28:42,701 --> 00:28:44,510 ISAAC: In this scene, 415 00:28:44,541 --> 00:28:47,670 it was how could you have something that was raunchy 416 00:28:47,701 --> 00:28:53,185 but was also not going to completely be censored, as well? 417 00:28:53,741 --> 00:28:57,382 So trying to play that was very interesting. 418 00:28:57,421 --> 00:29:02,302 And also, at this particular moment, you're dealing with quite a lot of censorship. 419 00:29:02,341 --> 00:29:05,823 There's also a censorship issue in terms of the making of the film, 420 00:29:05,861 --> 00:29:10,549 because the Langston Hughes estate objected to the equating of Hughes's work 421 00:29:10,581 --> 00:29:12,549 and homoeroticism. 422 00:29:12,581 --> 00:29:14,583 But that's another longer story. 423 00:29:24,661 --> 00:29:27,141 NARRATOR: Sometimes on the edge of sleep, 424 00:29:27,181 --> 00:29:30,867 these faces and others are projected against the wall of memory. 425 00:29:32,501 --> 00:29:36,790 And almost immediately, I am back in the gallery where I first saw these faces 426 00:29:36,821 --> 00:29:38,903 and heard their names. 427 00:29:39,941 --> 00:29:43,627 Being introduced to Alain Locke at an impromptu all-boy tea party. 428 00:29:44,661 --> 00:29:47,585 Kissing Langston Hughes, and never forgetting it. 429 00:29:48,501 --> 00:29:50,981 Being photographed by Carl Van Vechten. 430 00:29:53,021 --> 00:29:57,629 Staging the first production of Baldwin's The Amen Corner at Howard University. 431 00:29:59,421 --> 00:30:01,549 Straightening Harold Jackman's tie. 432 00:30:02,821 --> 00:30:05,222 Not caring much for Countee Cullen's looks. 433 00:30:06,501 --> 00:30:09,027 Hunting dark meat with Auden up in Harlem. 434 00:30:10,061 --> 00:30:12,063 Being loved. 435 00:30:18,901 --> 00:30:23,623 What probably seemed obvious to him then, would not make itself clear to me for years. 436 00:30:24,661 --> 00:30:26,982 We were linked by our homosexual desires. 437 00:30:28,501 --> 00:30:32,631 Eventually I discovered that they had broken a number of rules about..." 438 00:30:32,661 --> 00:30:35,267 ISAAC: This is another scene from Ten Minutes To Live. 439 00:30:36,101 --> 00:30:38,547 And I was looking at this fiction film, 440 00:30:38,581 --> 00:30:43,382 because in this scene it had representations of moving images of New York in the Twenties. 441 00:30:43,421 --> 00:30:49,030 And this was a very important archival image that I found as well, from an archive. 442 00:30:49,061 --> 00:30:54,864 Because there were very few images of blacks which were moving images. 443 00:30:54,901 --> 00:30:57,222 And these images are very rare really, 444 00:30:57,261 --> 00:30:59,468 seeing artists... 445 00:30:59,501 --> 00:31:01,503 black artists at work. 446 00:31:01,541 --> 00:31:05,671 L remember when this was first shown, that people were really surprised. 447 00:31:05,701 --> 00:31:10,025 Lots of art historians didn't know that this sort of footage existed. 448 00:31:11,061 --> 00:31:12,665 And so um... 449 00:31:12,701 --> 00:31:17,468 part of this was also interest in, in a sort of art historical sense, 450 00:31:17,501 --> 00:31:20,471 seeing this mural, for example, 451 00:31:20,501 --> 00:31:22,868 which no longer exists. 452 00:31:22,901 --> 00:31:27,463 But people were really surprised to see that this archival representation 453 00:31:27,501 --> 00:31:32,667 was in a film made by a black British person, unbeknown to them. 454 00:31:32,701 --> 00:31:35,989 So that was something that was really quite a revelation, 455 00:31:36,021 --> 00:31:41,869 and, in a way, created a certain sort of academic and scholarly interest in the film. 456 00:31:42,661 --> 00:31:47,349 An interest that would clash with some of the African-American literary scholars, 457 00:31:47,381 --> 00:31:54,902 who were interested in having a very canonised and very neutral representation of Hughes 458 00:31:54,941 --> 00:32:01,062 as the race man - not as someone who was interesting in terms of his sexual identity 459 00:32:01,101 --> 00:32:04,583 and that could aid his actual writing and literature. 460 00:32:04,621 --> 00:32:06,623 ♪ Jazzy instrumental 461 00:32:36,901 --> 00:32:39,427 One of the other things as well is the casting. 462 00:32:39,461 --> 00:32:43,591 Ben Ellison actually does look like Langston Hughes when he was younger. 463 00:32:43,621 --> 00:32:45,623 He really looks like him. 464 00:33:00,021 --> 00:33:04,629 Again, here we have a deliberate clash over the River Thames. 465 00:33:04,661 --> 00:33:08,985 Because I wanted to reveal that this film actually wasn't shot in the States, 466 00:33:09,021 --> 00:33:12,628 that it was shot in England, in London, 467 00:33:12,661 --> 00:33:15,551 and it was actually shot at a contemporary moment. 468 00:33:16,221 --> 00:33:20,067 But again we have this son of representation of the train, 469 00:33:20,101 --> 00:33:22,502 which is a son of running motif in the film. 470 00:33:27,661 --> 00:33:30,187 "The poem ends soft as it began. 471 00:33:31,621 --> 00:33:33,783 I loved my friend." 472 00:33:33,821 --> 00:33:38,145 For the American version, because of the demands of the Langston Hughes estate, 473 00:33:38,181 --> 00:33:40,707 we actually had to take out some of Hughes's poems. 474 00:33:40,741 --> 00:33:45,030 They wanted us to completely remove the references to Hughes. 475 00:33:45,061 --> 00:33:47,587 They wanted us to change the title of the film. 476 00:33:47,621 --> 00:33:51,148 And what was interesting in terms of how a certain, if you like, 477 00:33:51,181 --> 00:33:53,787 cause célébre developed from this, 478 00:33:53,821 --> 00:33:58,588 was that a number of black intellectuals and scholars, such as Henry Louis Gates, 479 00:33:58,621 --> 00:34:02,103 bell hooks and Cornell West, all came to the defence of the film. 480 00:34:02,141 --> 00:34:06,066 And, in a way, that created a space for the film to exist. 481 00:34:06,101 --> 00:34:08,991 And it created an interest, really, as well. 482 00:34:09,021 --> 00:34:14,983 But it was something which was really being contested by the estate at that time, 483 00:34:15,021 --> 00:34:21,302 because they were very nervous about trying to keep a very pure and canonised representation. 484 00:34:21,341 --> 00:34:23,548 "A city dreaming to a lullaby. 485 00:34:27,061 --> 00:34:30,270 Reach up your hand, dark boy, and take a star 486 00:34:30,301 --> 00:34:33,111 Out of the little breath of oblivion that is night. 487 00:34:33,141 --> 00:34:35,906 Take just one star." 488 00:34:50,581 --> 00:34:54,950 This sequence that we 've just got into here - it's been running for a while now - 489 00:34:54,981 --> 00:34:56,983 it's the angel's point of view. 490 00:35:00,741 --> 00:35:05,429 I mean, the angel's obviously a reference to the cinema of Jarman, 491 00:35:05,461 --> 00:35:11,104 but also, kind of, in the film I was thinking about Walter Benjamin's Angel Of History. 492 00:35:11,141 --> 00:35:15,829 That was another idea that I was interested in. 493 00:35:16,861 --> 00:35:20,183 "..But I knew I was fucking fallen angels..." 494 00:35:21,621 --> 00:35:24,943 It's something that a number of writers have looked at now, 495 00:35:24,981 --> 00:35:26,983 Kaja Silverman, in particular. 496 00:35:27,941 --> 00:35:33,152 One of the things that one was trying to think about in terms of making this piece of work 497 00:35:33,181 --> 00:35:39,507 was really how could you try to construct a certain imaginary 498 00:35:39,541 --> 00:35:44,911 that would lend itself to thinking about questions of death and immortality, 499 00:35:44,941 --> 00:35:49,868 and at the same time link it to the films of Cocteau, for example, 500 00:35:49,901 --> 00:35:52,905 one of the main other influences in terms of the film. 501 00:35:52,941 --> 00:35:58,266 At the same time, there's a conversation that's taking place between these different cinemas - 502 00:35:58,301 --> 00:36:03,626 silent cinema, a cinema from the late Eighties of Jarman, 503 00:36:03,661 --> 00:36:06,983 but also harking back to Cocteau. 504 00:36:07,021 --> 00:36:10,992 "..L can change the order of things to suit my desperations. 505 00:36:12,021 --> 00:36:14,023 You can raise your legs. 506 00:36:14,061 --> 00:36:16,063 Almost touch heaven. 507 00:36:17,101 --> 00:36:20,230 I can be an angel falling." 508 00:36:43,741 --> 00:36:45,903 This sequence that you're going to see here 509 00:36:45,941 --> 00:36:49,229 is shot actually at the back of a nightclub called Heaven, 510 00:36:49,261 --> 00:36:51,468 which is, I think, still running. 511 00:36:51,501 --> 00:36:57,383 It's been a site for clubbing for gays for at least 2O years in London. 512 00:36:57,421 --> 00:36:59,549 And one of the things I was trying to do, 513 00:36:59,581 --> 00:37:03,188 was really create a social space, a queer space. 514 00:37:03,861 --> 00:37:08,742 And that sort of queer space gets referenced, really, pictorially, 515 00:37:08,781 --> 00:37:13,423 by trying to link the film both to the contemporary and the past. 516 00:37:13,461 --> 00:37:17,910 And so, again, all the spaces are quite deliberately chosen, 517 00:37:17,941 --> 00:37:19,431 in terms of locations. 518 00:37:21,461 --> 00:37:26,342 This sort of attack that's happening at the end of the film really is set in the present, 519 00:37:26,381 --> 00:37:27,667 if you like. 520 00:37:27,701 --> 00:37:33,663 But also references what was happening in London in this particular time, 521 00:37:33,701 --> 00:37:37,592 where a number of clubs were being closed down, 522 00:37:38,421 --> 00:37:41,311 because they were frequented by gays. 523 00:37:41,341 --> 00:37:46,711 And, of course, it's also referencing the attitude to the speakeasies 524 00:37:46,741 --> 00:37:49,950 from the Twenties and the Thirties in Harlem, 525 00:37:49,981 --> 00:37:52,587 which were also being policed 526 00:37:52,621 --> 00:37:58,947 because alcohol was illegal at that particular time in New York State. 527 00:37:58,981 --> 00:38:04,306 Obviously, these sorts of spaces had that activity. 528 00:38:04,341 --> 00:38:09,586 So, this question of censorship, and also of surveillance, 529 00:38:09,621 --> 00:38:15,469 is really one of the central preoccupations in the last sequence. 530 00:38:15,501 --> 00:38:18,505 And obviously the poem, 531 00:38:18,541 --> 00:38:21,147 which is a call and response poem, 532 00:38:23,141 --> 00:38:27,703 is also very important in terms of trying to think about the ways in which 533 00:38:27,741 --> 00:38:32,986 we were going to construct a visual relation 534 00:38:33,981 --> 00:38:36,302 between what's being said and what we see. 535 00:38:36,901 --> 00:38:38,790 "Singapore Slings toasted you. 536 00:38:38,821 --> 00:38:41,301 Under the music pumping from the jukebox. 537 00:38:41,341 --> 00:38:43,628 They were promises chilled by ice cubes. 538 00:38:43,661 --> 00:38:44,742 ...chilled by ice cubes. 539 00:38:44,781 --> 00:38:47,512 The boys whisper, the sloe gin fizzes, 540 00:38:47,541 --> 00:38:50,863 under the music pumping from the jukebox. 541 00:38:50,901 --> 00:38:52,903 The light, 542 00:38:52,941 --> 00:38:54,750 your body a green light. 543 00:38:54,781 --> 00:38:56,783 The boys danced, darling. 544 00:38:56,821 --> 00:38:58,823 Touching you indiscreetly. 545 00:38:59,861 --> 00:39:01,863 Dancing, on the edge of fire. 546 00:39:02,861 --> 00:39:04,750 Your voice, falling from the air. 547 00:39:05,501 --> 00:39:08,505 Elation and laughing. 548 00:39:09,301 --> 00:39:13,545 I saw you last night in the basement... of the Brass Rail. 549 00:39:19,061 --> 00:39:20,870 (Door is forced open) 550 00:39:20,901 --> 00:39:22,710 ♪ House 551 00:39:45,101 --> 00:39:47,388 We've got a great mix of techniques here. 552 00:39:47,421 --> 00:39:49,423 We're on a crane, we're hand-held... 553 00:39:49,461 --> 00:39:50,826 static... 554 00:39:50,861 --> 00:39:52,943 cutting through to previous images. 555 00:39:53,861 --> 00:39:56,387 It's a great kind of collage of stuff, really, 556 00:39:56,421 --> 00:39:59,106 this last sequence that you put together with the editor. 557 00:39:59,141 --> 00:40:01,348 I think when we were editing this sequence, 558 00:40:01,381 --> 00:40:05,272 I was very much thinking about Eisenstein's montage of attraction, 559 00:40:05,301 --> 00:40:08,032 and thinking about how you can try to make a statement 560 00:40:08,061 --> 00:40:11,622 through the juxtaposition of different images which are quickly edited. 561 00:40:11,661 --> 00:40:15,347 There are all these sons of ideas that one's trying to play with. 562 00:40:15,381 --> 00:40:22,071 You're playing with these ideas in a culture which is not so interested in these strategies. 563 00:40:25,781 --> 00:40:27,783 Just going back on that last scene, 564 00:40:27,821 --> 00:40:31,348 the last scene is almost a classic confrontational Western situation - 565 00:40:31,381 --> 00:40:33,588 a group outside who are trying to get in, 566 00:40:33,621 --> 00:40:38,548 and a group inside who, in theory, might want to get away, or not be there when they arrive. 567 00:40:38,581 --> 00:40:42,108 S0 one would be normally cutting backwards in a very narrative way, 568 00:40:42,141 --> 00:40:44,872 and building up a tension to a final confrontation. 569 00:40:44,901 --> 00:40:47,711 But Isaac does a completely different thing here. 570 00:40:47,741 --> 00:40:50,551 He layers it with all sorts of other stuff going on. 571 00:40:50,581 --> 00:40:52,583 And, in fact, just works against that - 572 00:40:52,621 --> 00:40:54,669 does build it up, and you do worry. 573 00:40:54,701 --> 00:40:59,229 One does worry about whether these people are going to be all right or not who are inside. 574 00:40:59,261 --> 00:41:02,390 But it all just goes off into a completely other dimension, 575 00:41:02,421 --> 00:41:05,948 and there's that fantastic shot of one of the angels laughing at the end 576 00:41:05,981 --> 00:41:07,585 and bringing in Langston Hughes. 577 00:41:07,621 --> 00:41:12,548 ll ties it up and takes it to a completely different place than one would expect it to go to. 578 00:41:12,581 --> 00:41:15,664 It's interesting to think about film as a technology. 579 00:41:15,701 --> 00:41:19,945 I'm thinking about the technicality in terms of shooting this piece of work, 580 00:41:19,981 --> 00:41:24,111 and what may look like almost special effects in this sequence. 581 00:41:24,141 --> 00:41:25,950 It's storyboarded, 582 00:41:26,621 --> 00:41:33,152 and we're thinking about the ways in which we can try to create a scene through montage, 583 00:41:33,181 --> 00:41:35,183 radical montage, 584 00:41:35,221 --> 00:41:42,105 and building this narrative expectation, this tension, this possible violence, 585 00:41:42,141 --> 00:41:47,864 and then not delivering the normative expectations that one would ordinarily receive 586 00:41:49,061 --> 00:41:52,065 from such a sequence in its ending, 587 00:41:52,101 --> 00:41:54,832 and deliberately second-guessing the audience, 588 00:41:54,861 --> 00:42:02,063 and doing that by actually trying to then evoke a poetic conclusion, 589 00:42:02,101 --> 00:42:03,865 or ending to the film, 590 00:42:03,901 --> 00:42:07,110 and playing really with those narrative expectations. 591 00:42:07,141 --> 00:42:11,544 And some people have said, "Why do you have an angel that's laughing at the end?" 592 00:42:11,581 --> 00:42:16,303 The angel's laughing at the end, because really it's about the phantasmatic for me - 593 00:42:16,341 --> 00:42:23,031 you have one society that produces fantasies about what the other might be doing. 594 00:42:23,861 --> 00:42:30,392 And it's precisely that idea of the real power of fantasy or the phantasmatic, 595 00:42:30,421 --> 00:42:34,665 and having an end where the subject has the last laugh, 596 00:42:34,701 --> 00:42:39,229 and we have the return to Hughes reciting the poem. 597 00:42:39,261 --> 00:42:41,263 "..On the edge of fire..." 598 00:42:41,301 --> 00:42:43,827 And really thinking about film as song, 599 00:42:44,621 --> 00:42:49,946 we have a contemporary representation of a song called Can'! You Feel It, 600 00:42:49,981 --> 00:42:52,985 which was a very specific gay... 601 00:42:53,021 --> 00:42:57,310 or specifically black iconic song, 602 00:42:57,341 --> 00:43:01,744 which represented house music at that particular time, which emanated from Chicago. 603 00:43:01,781 --> 00:43:06,309 And this song is a son of anthem, if you like, of that moment. 604 00:43:06,341 --> 00:43:12,587 And in this sequence, then, you're also contemporising the past, 605 00:43:12,621 --> 00:43:14,703 deliberately blurring it, 606 00:43:14,741 --> 00:43:20,032 with this introduction of what would become a scene 607 00:43:20,061 --> 00:43:23,861 which, in a way, plays with time and space. 608 00:43:23,901 --> 00:43:27,587 Yeah, and that angel goes beautifully into Langston's final lines. 609 00:43:27,621 --> 00:43:30,465 This ending has this deliberate play. 610 00:43:30,501 --> 00:43:32,105 'Cos in a blues song, 611 00:43:32,141 --> 00:43:36,624 usually what happens is that you have the artist or the song 612 00:43:36,661 --> 00:43:39,551 being about a character that's down on their luck. 613 00:43:39,581 --> 00:43:41,663 But there's usually a joke at the end, 614 00:43:41,701 --> 00:43:48,664 and so that joke is usually reflected in having a certain self-reflexivity about your situation, 615 00:43:48,701 --> 00:43:51,022 and looking at that position ironically. 616 00:43:51,061 --> 00:43:54,463 And so there was this idea of trying to do that for the ending, 617 00:43:54,501 --> 00:43:58,790 and deliberately playing with those normative or narrative expectations 618 00:43:58,821 --> 00:44:00,903 that the scene was trying to build up. 619 00:44:01,941 --> 00:44:03,943 Sun's a-risin'. 620 00:44:03,981 --> 00:44:05,710 (Music starts up) 621 00:44:05,741 --> 00:44:07,743 This is gonna be my song. 622 00:44:09,221 --> 00:44:11,223 The sun's a-risin', 623 00:44:11,261 --> 00:44:13,263 This is gonna be my song. 624 00:44:14,301 --> 00:44:15,905 I could be blue, 625 00:44:15,941 --> 00:44:18,751 But I've been blue all night long. 57447

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