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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,450 --> 00:00:06,456 TANYA: Hello, I'm Tanya Hart, and welcome to our show. 2 00:00:06,456 --> 00:00:10,197 My guest today has experienced truly horrendous life 3 00:00:10,197 --> 00:00:12,034 to just be 20 years old. 4 00:00:12,034 --> 00:00:14,105 His family portrait could well be a poster 5 00:00:14,105 --> 00:00:15,575 for America's Most Wanted. 6 00:00:15,575 --> 00:00:17,612 Please welcome a very streetwise young man 7 00:00:17,612 --> 00:00:20,217 who wants to make a difference for all Black people. 8 00:00:20,217 --> 00:00:21,520 - What's up? - Tupac Shakur. 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:22,622 Welcome to our show. 10 00:00:22,622 --> 00:00:24,425 Thank you. I love it. 11 00:00:24,425 --> 00:00:26,329 Boy, you know, I gotta tell you, 12 00:00:26,329 --> 00:00:28,433 I heard about what happened to you 13 00:00:28,433 --> 00:00:29,803 as a young man. 14 00:00:29,803 --> 00:00:32,609 In retrospect, how would you say 15 00:00:32,609 --> 00:00:34,513 that your life has been? 16 00:00:34,513 --> 00:00:38,486 I would say it's been like a test on my faith. 17 00:00:38,486 --> 00:00:40,491 You know what I'm saying? You know how, 18 00:00:40,491 --> 00:00:42,662 I guess his name was Job in the Bible, 19 00:00:42,662 --> 00:00:45,267 who God just did all of this crazy stuff to him 20 00:00:45,267 --> 00:00:46,604 just to make sure his faith was straight. 21 00:00:46,604 --> 00:00:48,273 And that's how it was. It made me-- 22 00:00:48,273 --> 00:00:50,177 If I didn't have all of this stuff, 23 00:00:50,177 --> 00:00:52,481 I don't think that my feet would have been so firm. 24 00:00:52,481 --> 00:00:54,385 - TANYA: Yeah. - If God ain't finished with me yet... 25 00:00:54,385 --> 00:00:55,822 TUPAC: ...let Him check me. 26 00:00:55,822 --> 00:00:57,525 MAN: Your socks are high, dude. 27 00:00:57,525 --> 00:01:00,498 BILLY: Yeah, make sure y'all get the socks, man. 28 00:01:00,498 --> 00:01:03,270 PRODUCER: So, Billy, what is your relation to Tupac? 29 00:01:03,270 --> 00:01:06,142 BILLY: I am Tupac's oldest cousin. 30 00:01:06,142 --> 00:01:08,547 I'm eight years older than him, so... 31 00:01:08,547 --> 00:01:11,185 before he became who everybody know him as, 32 00:01:11,185 --> 00:01:12,822 he was like this little dude 33 00:01:12,822 --> 00:01:14,660 who used to follow me everywhere. 34 00:01:14,660 --> 00:01:17,298 And I'd be, like, "Man, you can't go with me, man. 35 00:01:17,298 --> 00:01:18,634 I'm getting ready to go do crime. 36 00:01:18,634 --> 00:01:20,571 You can't come with me to do crime." 37 00:01:20,571 --> 00:01:25,314 But I didn't really feel responsible about his safety 38 00:01:25,314 --> 00:01:29,856 until... Halloween night, 1993. 39 00:01:29,856 --> 00:01:31,326 (distant police sirens wail) 40 00:01:31,326 --> 00:01:33,196 I had just got out of jail, 41 00:01:33,196 --> 00:01:35,334 and I hadn't seen Pac for several years. 42 00:01:35,334 --> 00:01:38,306 My family had a ticket for me to come to Atlanta. 43 00:01:38,306 --> 00:01:40,612 That's where he's performing a show. 44 00:01:40,612 --> 00:01:42,381 - (crowd screaming) - DANTE: Great night. 45 00:01:42,381 --> 00:01:44,753 First thing I see, panties flying. 46 00:01:44,753 --> 00:01:48,159 But the night was too good to be true. 47 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:49,896 BILLY: Tupac ends up getting into a beef 48 00:01:49,896 --> 00:01:52,434 with the security guards about smoking this weed. 49 00:01:52,434 --> 00:01:54,506 So we cut the show short... 50 00:01:54,506 --> 00:01:57,579 - Fuck you, motherfuckers! - (all shouting angrily) 51 00:01:57,579 --> 00:02:00,618 BILLY: ...and we left with six or seven carloads full of people. 52 00:02:00,618 --> 00:02:02,922 DANTE: "Yo, we at such-and-such. Follow us to the room." 53 00:02:02,922 --> 00:02:05,561 BILLY: We're getting ready to take a left into the hotel, 54 00:02:05,561 --> 00:02:07,599 but we can't 'cause there's a Black man 55 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:10,203 arguing with two White men. 56 00:02:10,203 --> 00:02:13,544 He pushed him. He'll push him. It looked corny, but Pac still got out. 57 00:02:13,544 --> 00:02:15,414 (car door sensor dinging) 58 00:02:16,617 --> 00:02:18,921 BILLY: At that very moment, 59 00:02:18,921 --> 00:02:23,363 one of the White guys hit the Black dude in the jaw. 60 00:02:23,363 --> 00:02:25,868 And when Pac saw that, he freaked out. 61 00:02:25,868 --> 00:02:28,541 DANTE: The Black dude took off, started running. 62 00:02:28,541 --> 00:02:31,179 BILLY: One of the White guys pulled his gun out on Pac 63 00:02:31,179 --> 00:02:32,582 and told him to run. 64 00:02:32,582 --> 00:02:34,920 And that's when Pac pulled up his shirt: 65 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:36,557 "This is thug life. I don't run nowhere." 66 00:02:36,557 --> 00:02:38,393 The dude took the gun and bang! 67 00:02:38,393 --> 00:02:40,430 BILLY: Cracks the car window out. 68 00:02:40,430 --> 00:02:41,466 And started running. 69 00:02:41,466 --> 00:02:43,236 Right past me. 70 00:02:43,236 --> 00:02:44,840 So Tupac goes... 71 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,442 "I want my gun. Give me my gun." 72 00:02:46,442 --> 00:02:47,512 BILLY: No. 73 00:02:47,512 --> 00:02:49,281 Nobody wanted to hand it to him. 74 00:02:49,281 --> 00:02:51,854 He goes around and get it hisself. 75 00:02:51,854 --> 00:02:52,956 (car door sensor dinging) 76 00:02:52,956 --> 00:02:54,893 No, no, no, no. 77 00:02:54,893 --> 00:02:57,264 BILLY: They, like, 40 feet away and it's dark. 78 00:02:57,264 --> 00:02:59,903 And Tupac gets down on one knee. 79 00:02:59,903 --> 00:03:02,609 - One knee. - BILLY: He aims. 80 00:03:02,609 --> 00:03:03,677 You're not going to hit the-- 81 00:03:03,677 --> 00:03:06,282 Bang, bang, bang! 82 00:03:06,282 --> 00:03:07,952 BILLY: Three shots. 83 00:03:07,952 --> 00:03:10,223 Just like a marksman. Trained. 84 00:03:10,223 --> 00:03:12,629 DANTE: All I remember seeing was fire coming from the gun. 85 00:03:12,629 --> 00:03:16,436 BILLY: He takes his gun, slams it on the ground, 86 00:03:16,436 --> 00:03:20,277 and I picked it up and said, "You missed. You missed. I know you missed." 87 00:03:20,277 --> 00:03:21,647 He said, "Nah. I got him. I got him." 88 00:03:21,647 --> 00:03:23,450 DANTE: So he's sitting there... 89 00:03:23,450 --> 00:03:24,986 - (car door sensor dinging) - (exhaling) 90 00:03:24,986 --> 00:03:26,990 ..."Let's go, cuz." 91 00:03:26,990 --> 00:03:29,395 So I'm thinking we about to skirt off. 92 00:03:29,395 --> 00:03:31,432 - (car doors slam) - But we makes the left 93 00:03:31,432 --> 00:03:33,369 to go in the hotel room. 94 00:03:33,369 --> 00:03:35,541 BILLY: Now we at the hotel, and I look outside 95 00:03:35,541 --> 00:03:38,446 and I see police all over the place. 96 00:03:38,446 --> 00:03:42,254 And I could see they're comin' upstairs to the room. 97 00:03:42,254 --> 00:03:44,559 The room is full of people. 98 00:03:44,559 --> 00:03:46,429 Everybody is excited. 99 00:03:46,429 --> 00:03:48,501 They just saw somebody get shot. 100 00:03:48,501 --> 00:03:51,673 But Tupac, he's calm. 101 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,416 DANTE: Cloud of smoke. 102 00:03:56,416 --> 00:03:57,451 (exhaling) 103 00:03:57,451 --> 00:03:59,255 Weed. 104 00:03:59,255 --> 00:04:00,525 BILLY: His face is blank. 105 00:04:00,525 --> 00:04:02,327 DANTE: Not talking about it. 106 00:04:02,327 --> 00:04:04,465 BILLY: He's like in a peaceful trance. 107 00:04:04,465 --> 00:04:07,672 But I can hear the cops outside the door. 108 00:04:07,672 --> 00:04:10,043 Suddenly, he says, 109 00:04:10,043 --> 00:04:15,320 "Yo, wait a minute. I want everybody to hear my new song." 110 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,460 DANTE: Song? We're going to jail. This is over. 111 00:04:18,460 --> 00:04:21,432 The song he played for the very first time... 112 00:04:21,432 --> 00:04:22,969 TUPAC: It's a love song. 113 00:04:22,969 --> 00:04:25,273 DANTE: ...with the police at the door 114 00:04:25,273 --> 00:04:26,610 was "Dear Mama." 115 00:04:26,610 --> 00:04:28,413 - TUPAC: Dear Mama. - "Dear Mama." 116 00:04:28,413 --> 00:04:30,283 Into it. Vibing. Smoking. 117 00:04:30,283 --> 00:04:32,287 - He's grooving now. - Listen, listen. 118 00:04:32,287 --> 00:04:36,329 He has no connection to what he just did. 119 00:04:36,329 --> 00:04:38,433 That was the first time I realized... 120 00:04:38,433 --> 00:04:40,905 - TUPAC: Dear Mama. - ...that that motherfucker was for real. 121 00:04:40,905 --> 00:04:43,978 That he's gonna protect Black people. Period. 122 00:04:43,978 --> 00:04:45,581 TUPAC: Dear Mama. 123 00:04:45,581 --> 00:04:47,552 BILLY: That was how he was raised. 124 00:04:47,552 --> 00:04:49,488 ("Dear Mama" by 2Pac playing) 125 00:04:49,488 --> 00:04:51,927 ♪ When I was young Me and my mama had beef ♪ 126 00:04:51,927 --> 00:04:54,431 ♪ 17 years old Kicked out on the streets ♪ 127 00:04:54,431 --> 00:04:56,335 ♪ Though back at the time ♪ 128 00:04:56,335 --> 00:04:57,505 ♪ I never thought I'd see her face ♪ 129 00:04:57,505 --> 00:04:59,341 ♪ Ain't a woman alive ♪ 130 00:04:59,341 --> 00:05:00,545 ♪ That could take My mama's place ♪ 131 00:05:00,545 --> 00:05:01,914 ♪ Suspended from school ♪ 132 00:05:01,914 --> 00:05:03,617 ♪ I'm scared to go home ♪ 133 00:05:03,617 --> 00:05:05,086 ♪ I was the fool With the big boys ♪ 134 00:05:05,086 --> 00:05:06,924 ♪ Breaking all the rules ♪ 135 00:05:06,924 --> 00:05:09,094 ♪ I shed tears With my baby sister ♪ 136 00:05:09,094 --> 00:05:12,100 ♪ Over the years we was poorer Than the other little kids ♪ 137 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:14,405 ♪ And even though we had Different daddies ♪ 138 00:05:14,405 --> 00:05:16,108 ♪ The same drama ♪ 139 00:05:16,108 --> 00:05:17,979 ♪ When things went wrong We blamed Mama ♪ 140 00:05:17,979 --> 00:05:19,916 ♪ I reminisce On the stress I caused ♪ 141 00:05:19,916 --> 00:05:21,753 ♪ It was hell ♪ 142 00:05:21,753 --> 00:05:24,091 ♪ Hugging on my mama From a jail cell ♪ 143 00:05:24,091 --> 00:05:26,462 ♪ And who'd think In elementary ♪ 144 00:05:26,462 --> 00:05:29,068 ♪ Hey, I'd see The penitentiary? ♪ 145 00:05:29,068 --> 00:05:31,540 ♪ One day running From the police ♪ 146 00:05:31,540 --> 00:05:33,376 ♪ That's right ♪ 147 00:05:33,376 --> 00:05:36,082 ♪ Mama catch me Put a whupping to my backside ♪ 148 00:05:36,082 --> 00:05:38,554 ♪ And even as a crack fiend ♪ 149 00:05:38,554 --> 00:05:41,960 ♪ Mama, you always Was a Black queen, Mama ♪ 150 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,699 ♪ I finally understand For a woman it ain't easy ♪ 151 00:05:44,699 --> 00:05:47,137 ♪ Trying to raise a man ♪ 152 00:05:47,137 --> 00:05:48,908 ♪ You always was committed ♪ 153 00:05:48,908 --> 00:05:51,112 ♪ A poor single mother On welfare ♪ 154 00:05:51,112 --> 00:05:53,016 ♪ Tell me how you did it ♪ 155 00:05:53,016 --> 00:05:54,986 ♪ There's no way I can pay you back ♪ 156 00:05:54,986 --> 00:05:57,625 ♪ But the plan is to show you That I understand ♪ 157 00:05:57,625 --> 00:05:59,428 ♪ You are appreciated ♪ 158 00:06:01,399 --> 00:06:03,571 ♪ Don't you know We love you, sweet lady ♪ 159 00:06:03,571 --> 00:06:06,108 ♪ Dear Mama ♪ 160 00:06:06,108 --> 00:06:08,112 ♪ Free you from your cage Full of rage ♪ 161 00:06:08,112 --> 00:06:10,885 ♪ 'Cause this is What a good day is ♪ 162 00:06:10,885 --> 00:06:12,989 ♪ And even though You're lonely ♪ 163 00:06:12,989 --> 00:06:15,695 ♪ You're more than the mother You're my homey ♪ 164 00:06:15,695 --> 00:06:17,665 ♪ There's no way I could pay you back ♪ 165 00:06:17,665 --> 00:06:21,172 ♪ But my plan is to show you That I understand ♪ 166 00:06:21,172 --> 00:06:22,508 ♪ Dear Mama ♪ 167 00:06:29,098 --> 00:06:32,744 MAN: How does doing this project feel for you, 168 00:06:32,744 --> 00:06:34,314 I guess, 30 years later? 169 00:06:34,314 --> 00:06:36,018 MAN 2: That's pretty surreal, 170 00:06:36,018 --> 00:06:38,189 to do a narrative that you were a part of. 171 00:06:38,189 --> 00:06:40,827 And then to have it be so personal, you know, uh, 172 00:06:40,827 --> 00:06:43,934 I didn't want to do it at first, and then I realized, shit, 173 00:06:43,934 --> 00:06:46,338 I never processed the trauma. 174 00:06:46,338 --> 00:06:49,511 But we have to take ownership of all of our collective journey, 175 00:06:49,511 --> 00:06:51,548 and go, "This is part of us." 176 00:06:51,548 --> 00:06:53,920 So how do we decant this? 177 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,527 Tupac's legacy? 178 00:06:57,527 --> 00:07:01,402 Man, it's... it's really difficult to sum that up. 179 00:07:01,402 --> 00:07:03,472 MIKE: Man, listen. Anywhere I go, 180 00:07:03,472 --> 00:07:06,345 Russia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan... 181 00:07:07,848 --> 00:07:09,852 "How was Tupac? What was he like?" 182 00:07:09,852 --> 00:07:12,490 Children soldiers from Uganda, 183 00:07:12,490 --> 00:07:13,559 "What was Tupac like?" 184 00:07:13,559 --> 00:07:15,530 Blows my mind. 185 00:07:15,530 --> 00:07:19,037 Tupac was the first rapper to me that could make you cry. 186 00:07:19,037 --> 00:07:21,375 Like, he was just, like, "Oh, my God, that's me." 187 00:07:21,375 --> 00:07:25,249 I've had many people come up to me and say, "Tupac saved my life." 188 00:07:25,249 --> 00:07:27,487 He was a great, great storyteller, 189 00:07:27,487 --> 00:07:31,595 and I think the story that he told most effectively 190 00:07:31,595 --> 00:07:33,399 was his own truth. 191 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:35,036 Tupac was a Zen master. 192 00:07:35,036 --> 00:07:36,973 He lived in these moments more than any of us, 193 00:07:36,973 --> 00:07:38,376 and if there wasn't something happening, 194 00:07:38,376 --> 00:07:39,979 he was gonna make something happen. 195 00:07:39,979 --> 00:07:43,552 They're teaching his poetry in college. 196 00:07:43,552 --> 00:07:45,556 What are you talking about? 197 00:07:45,556 --> 00:07:48,529 He was a legend in his own time. (laughs) 198 00:07:48,529 --> 00:07:50,400 And he would say that too. 199 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,572 Pac lived three niggas' lives in about eight months. 200 00:07:53,572 --> 00:07:56,045 That's why his life seemed so long. 201 00:07:56,045 --> 00:07:58,582 SNOOP: They say a man ain't a man 'til he's 27. 202 00:07:58,582 --> 00:08:00,586 He's still a baby at 25. 203 00:08:00,586 --> 00:08:03,392 But he just was like a special motherfucker, 204 00:08:03,392 --> 00:08:05,898 and with a spirit that was only grown through his mother. 205 00:08:05,898 --> 00:08:08,335 She was great before he even got here. 206 00:08:08,335 --> 00:08:10,606 The myth builder, a fantasy rider. 207 00:08:10,606 --> 00:08:12,477 Not mindin' his business, he never did. 208 00:08:12,477 --> 00:08:14,514 His mother certainly didn't. 209 00:08:14,514 --> 00:08:17,487 'Cause where did Tupac get the myth-building from, Afeni. 210 00:08:17,487 --> 00:08:20,560 And Feni wanted the story told. 211 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,000 Correctly. That means blemishes and all. 212 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,910 So people can understand that whole thing 213 00:08:28,910 --> 00:08:31,582 of what makes a human being as he 214 00:08:31,582 --> 00:08:33,954 and the human being as she. 215 00:08:33,954 --> 00:08:36,893 So, here we go. 216 00:08:36,893 --> 00:08:38,930 WOMAN: This is the videotape examination 217 00:08:38,930 --> 00:08:40,901 of Tupac Amaru Shakur, 218 00:08:40,901 --> 00:08:43,606 held at the Clinton Correctional Facility, 219 00:08:43,606 --> 00:08:45,410 Dannemora, New York, 220 00:08:45,410 --> 00:08:48,917 at the time indicated on the video screen. 221 00:08:48,917 --> 00:08:51,021 The notary public will now swear the witness. 222 00:08:51,021 --> 00:08:53,025 Sir, would you raise your right hand, please? 223 00:08:53,025 --> 00:08:54,996 - Yes. - WOMAN: Do you swear or affirm 224 00:08:54,996 --> 00:08:56,900 that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, 225 00:08:56,900 --> 00:08:58,502 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? 226 00:08:58,502 --> 00:08:59,972 - I do. - WOMAN: Thank you. 227 00:08:59,972 --> 00:09:01,475 AFENI: Well, I think we start-- 228 00:09:01,475 --> 00:09:03,479 Let's start with his name. 229 00:09:03,479 --> 00:09:07,353 MAN: Could you please state your full name for the record? 230 00:09:07,353 --> 00:09:10,359 Yes. It's Tupac Amaru Shakur. 231 00:09:10,359 --> 00:09:12,965 AFENI: Tupac Amaru is an Inca name. 232 00:09:12,965 --> 00:09:16,638 The first Tupac Amaru was the last indigenous Inca chief 233 00:09:16,638 --> 00:09:20,680 to be killed and martyred by the Spanish conquistadores 234 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:25,323 who came to invade the area of South America called Peru. 235 00:09:25,323 --> 00:09:29,064 After that, another Tupac Amaru laid out plans 236 00:09:29,064 --> 00:09:31,468 for the modern state of Peru. 237 00:09:31,468 --> 00:09:34,976 Also killed and martyred by the Spanish people. 238 00:09:34,976 --> 00:09:38,649 Tupac was conceived during the worst part of my life. 239 00:09:38,649 --> 00:09:40,686 I was on trial for my life, 240 00:09:40,686 --> 00:09:44,694 and I chose his name because I wanted my son 241 00:09:44,694 --> 00:09:47,667 to understand that African-Americans 242 00:09:47,667 --> 00:09:51,175 are not the only people that this has happened to. 243 00:09:51,175 --> 00:09:53,646 I'm Afeni Shakur, 244 00:09:53,646 --> 00:09:56,552 and I'm Tupac's mom. 245 00:09:56,552 --> 00:09:58,589 MAN: The grand jury has returned an indictment 246 00:09:58,589 --> 00:10:01,428 charging members of the Black Panther Party 247 00:10:01,428 --> 00:10:05,303 with a conspiracy to destroy elements of society, 248 00:10:05,303 --> 00:10:09,010 which they regarded as part of, and I'm quoting the indictment, 249 00:10:09,010 --> 00:10:10,646 "The power structure." 250 00:10:14,788 --> 00:10:17,026 AFENI: Before I became a parent, 251 00:10:17,026 --> 00:10:19,999 I chose to be in the Black Panther Party. 252 00:10:21,668 --> 00:10:25,443 Tupac stayed in my womb through hell. 253 00:10:27,447 --> 00:10:31,588 And the Black Panther Party helped me, number one, 254 00:10:31,588 --> 00:10:35,696 to respect who my son was 255 00:10:35,696 --> 00:10:38,369 simply because of his birth. 256 00:10:38,369 --> 00:10:43,012 A Black male born in America 257 00:10:43,012 --> 00:10:46,018 in the 1970s. 258 00:10:46,018 --> 00:10:49,457 It was my responsibility to teach Tupac 259 00:10:49,457 --> 00:10:52,764 how to survive his reality. 260 00:10:52,764 --> 00:10:54,367 (airplane whirring) 261 00:11:06,625 --> 00:11:09,764 (upbeat song playing) 262 00:11:09,764 --> 00:11:11,768 ♪ Ah, can you feel it, baby? ♪ 263 00:11:12,837 --> 00:11:14,608 ♪ I can ♪ 264 00:11:16,745 --> 00:11:19,284 (school bell ringing) 265 00:11:19,284 --> 00:11:22,056 CHRISTINE: My name is Christine Mendes, 266 00:11:22,056 --> 00:11:24,594 and I'm a senior. 267 00:11:24,594 --> 00:11:26,398 GRAHAM: I'm Graham Davis, 268 00:11:26,398 --> 00:11:28,736 and I'm a junior here at Tamalpais High School. 269 00:11:28,736 --> 00:11:31,241 And I'm loving every minute of it. 270 00:11:31,241 --> 00:11:33,379 My name is Tupac Shakur, 271 00:11:33,379 --> 00:11:35,716 and I attend Tamalpais High School, 272 00:11:35,716 --> 00:11:37,587 and I'm 17 years old. 273 00:11:37,587 --> 00:11:40,359 GIRL 1: Tam is the raddest school ever. 274 00:11:40,359 --> 00:11:41,695 GIRL 2: The best thing about going to Tam 275 00:11:41,695 --> 00:11:43,599 is the Drama department. 276 00:11:43,599 --> 00:11:44,768 GIRL 3: And here, you can dress how you want. 277 00:11:44,768 --> 00:11:46,672 You can be who you want to be. 278 00:11:46,672 --> 00:11:47,841 What do I like the most about this school? 279 00:11:47,841 --> 00:11:49,744 - INTERVIEWER: Yeah. - Um... 280 00:11:49,744 --> 00:11:51,448 TUPAC: Well--Oh, I hope I don't get in trouble 281 00:11:51,448 --> 00:11:53,586 because Tam is really integrated, 282 00:11:53,586 --> 00:11:55,423 but I think there should be a different curriculum 283 00:11:55,423 --> 00:11:57,493 in each and every, like, neighborhood, you know? 284 00:11:57,493 --> 00:11:59,564 Because I'm learning the basics, 285 00:11:59,564 --> 00:12:01,869 but since I'm living in a slum-ish area 286 00:12:01,869 --> 00:12:04,741 and I'm Black, they're not basic for me. 287 00:12:04,741 --> 00:12:06,678 Like German. 288 00:12:06,678 --> 00:12:08,549 When am I going to Germany? 289 00:12:08,549 --> 00:12:11,321 I can't afford to pay my rent in America. 290 00:12:11,321 --> 00:12:13,425 MAN: I pledge allegiance... 291 00:12:13,425 --> 00:12:16,398 ALL: ...to the flag of the United States of America. 292 00:12:16,398 --> 00:12:19,638 TUPAC: We're not being taught to deal with the world as it is. 293 00:12:19,638 --> 00:12:22,277 We're being taught to deal with this fairy land 294 00:12:22,277 --> 00:12:23,612 which we're not even living in anymore. 295 00:12:23,612 --> 00:12:25,483 ALL: ...liberty and justice for all. 296 00:12:25,483 --> 00:12:27,553 TUPAC: That's why my mother taught me 297 00:12:27,553 --> 00:12:30,760 to analyze society and not be quiet. 298 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,301 To... If there's something on my mind, speak it. 299 00:12:34,301 --> 00:12:35,736 Because-- Okay, I got to go to the beginning. 300 00:12:35,736 --> 00:12:38,475 My mother was a Black Panther. 301 00:12:38,475 --> 00:12:40,546 MIKE WALLACE: The Black Panther Party. 302 00:12:40,546 --> 00:12:42,684 The Panthers believed the system was against them. 303 00:12:42,684 --> 00:12:44,754 They were willing to pick up the gun 304 00:12:44,754 --> 00:12:46,558 to protect themselves from what they call 305 00:12:46,558 --> 00:12:48,529 the Pig Power Structure. 306 00:12:48,529 --> 00:12:51,535 WOMAN: They demanded land, housing, 307 00:12:51,535 --> 00:12:55,409 food, clothing, jobs, education, and justice. 308 00:12:55,409 --> 00:12:57,313 But most urgently, 309 00:12:57,313 --> 00:12:59,718 they demanded an end to the police brutality 310 00:12:59,718 --> 00:13:02,557 that they had witnessed in the Black community. 311 00:13:02,557 --> 00:13:04,862 REPORTER: The Panthers were most admired 312 00:13:04,862 --> 00:13:07,567 for their willingness to die for what they believe in. 313 00:13:07,567 --> 00:13:11,341 But second to that, their Free Breakfast for Children Program. 314 00:13:11,341 --> 00:13:13,345 - (explosion) - WALLACE: The Black Panthers 315 00:13:13,345 --> 00:13:15,449 formally disbanded by the early '80s, 316 00:13:15,449 --> 00:13:19,591 killed both by internal squabbling and by COINTELPRO, 317 00:13:19,591 --> 00:13:22,330 the controversial FBI Counter Intelligence Program 318 00:13:22,330 --> 00:13:24,668 focused in part on infiltrating 319 00:13:24,668 --> 00:13:28,342 and sabotaging the Black Panther Party. 320 00:13:28,342 --> 00:13:29,912 WOMAN: It is clear that many Americans 321 00:13:29,912 --> 00:13:32,885 still retain a fearful image of the group, 322 00:13:32,885 --> 00:13:36,491 but it may be too soon to know what history 323 00:13:36,491 --> 00:13:38,562 will write of the Black Panther Party 324 00:13:38,562 --> 00:13:41,401 or to know how their actions have really affected the lives 325 00:13:41,401 --> 00:13:44,507 of thousands of youngsters just like these. 326 00:13:44,507 --> 00:13:48,582 TUPAC: I loved my childhood, but I hated growing up poor. 327 00:13:48,582 --> 00:13:50,553 My mother's totally brilliant. 328 00:13:50,553 --> 00:13:52,357 She could have chose to go to college 329 00:13:52,357 --> 00:13:53,792 and got a degree and been well off. 330 00:13:53,792 --> 00:13:55,864 But we're stone broke. 331 00:13:55,864 --> 00:13:59,437 We're just poor because our ideals always get in the way. 332 00:13:59,437 --> 00:14:00,773 Yeah, let me tell you this about Afeni. 333 00:14:00,773 --> 00:14:02,477 So we correct, nobody don't think 334 00:14:02,477 --> 00:14:05,616 I'm blowing sunshine up her ass. 335 00:14:05,616 --> 00:14:08,522 She got on my nerve. 336 00:14:08,522 --> 00:14:09,657 Do you understand what I'm saying? 337 00:14:09,657 --> 00:14:11,395 Walled me out, 338 00:14:11,395 --> 00:14:13,832 because the thing that I always had to do 339 00:14:13,832 --> 00:14:16,906 all my life is protect my sister. 340 00:14:16,906 --> 00:14:18,843 AFENI: That's my sister. 341 00:14:18,843 --> 00:14:20,646 Her name is Glo. 342 00:14:20,646 --> 00:14:22,817 And everybody around me knows who Glo is. 343 00:14:22,817 --> 00:14:25,756 She's the oldest, and we were always a unit. 344 00:14:25,756 --> 00:14:29,397 ♪ I won't harm you With words from my mouth ♪ 345 00:14:29,397 --> 00:14:30,800 ♪ I love you ♪ 346 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,572 ♪ I need you to survive ♪ 347 00:14:33,572 --> 00:14:37,380 I would never hurt my sister with words from my mouth... 348 00:14:37,380 --> 00:14:38,850 to her, you know. 349 00:14:38,850 --> 00:14:40,887 I talk shit behind her back, cuss her ass out. 350 00:14:40,887 --> 00:14:42,323 You know what I mean? (laughs) 351 00:14:42,323 --> 00:14:43,860 ("Me and My Girlfriend" playing) 352 00:14:43,860 --> 00:14:45,696 ♪ Look for me, Lost in the whirlwind ♪ 353 00:14:45,696 --> 00:14:47,733 ♪ '96 Bonnie and Clyde ♪ 354 00:14:47,733 --> 00:14:50,473 ♪ Me and my girlfriend Doing 85 when we ride ♪ 355 00:14:50,473 --> 00:14:51,641 ♪ Trapped in this world Of sin ♪ 356 00:14:51,641 --> 00:14:53,479 ♪ Born as a ghetto child ♪ 357 00:14:53,479 --> 00:14:54,714 ♪ Raised in this whirlwind, C'mon ♪ 358 00:14:54,714 --> 00:14:55,917 GLORIA: Awesome. 359 00:14:55,917 --> 00:14:57,587 Awesome. 360 00:14:57,587 --> 00:14:59,624 Let me tell you something. Awesome. 361 00:14:59,624 --> 00:15:01,628 Coming to New York was awesome. 362 00:15:02,931 --> 00:15:06,338 Feni was maybe 11. 363 00:15:06,338 --> 00:15:08,442 You know, we were both little dark-skinned girls 364 00:15:08,442 --> 00:15:10,881 from North Carolina. 365 00:15:10,881 --> 00:15:13,452 What I remember is the smells. 366 00:15:13,452 --> 00:15:15,857 I had never smelled garlic. 367 00:15:15,857 --> 00:15:18,762 I had never tasted butter, salami. 368 00:15:18,762 --> 00:15:21,535 We had never heard of salami. 369 00:15:21,535 --> 00:15:23,338 New York was exciting. 370 00:15:23,338 --> 00:15:26,778 The--The noise and the, uh... uh... 371 00:15:28,816 --> 00:15:30,619 The rhythm of it. 372 00:15:30,619 --> 00:15:33,625 Both of us were very happy to be in New York, 373 00:15:33,625 --> 00:15:35,864 'cause Feni hated Lumberton. 374 00:15:35,864 --> 00:15:38,335 Lumberton had no rhythm. 375 00:15:38,335 --> 00:15:41,775 My father was a truck driver and he was a drinker. 376 00:15:41,775 --> 00:15:43,345 He had other women. 377 00:15:43,345 --> 00:15:45,416 Stayed gone all the time. 378 00:15:45,416 --> 00:15:48,589 My mother was tired of the arguing. 379 00:15:48,589 --> 00:15:51,595 Went to New York, got a job, and sent for us. 380 00:15:51,595 --> 00:15:56,505 So my memory of my father is a person who was not there. 381 00:15:56,505 --> 00:15:59,477 My mother had a room and an apartment 382 00:15:59,477 --> 00:16:02,817 with an old White lady in The Bronx. 383 00:16:02,817 --> 00:16:04,889 I remember the kids saying, 384 00:16:04,889 --> 00:16:07,326 (sing-songy) "Bald-headed, ain't got no hair." 385 00:16:07,326 --> 00:16:08,762 I never knew that in the South, 386 00:16:08,762 --> 00:16:10,633 but in New York, that's what we heard. 387 00:16:10,633 --> 00:16:13,539 And, "You're dark-skinned" and all of that. 388 00:16:13,539 --> 00:16:15,376 Feni could not be a cheerleader 389 00:16:15,376 --> 00:16:17,380 'cause she didn't have long hair. 390 00:16:17,380 --> 00:16:19,717 And we went to Black schools, segregated schools. 391 00:16:19,717 --> 00:16:21,421 So these were Black people 392 00:16:21,421 --> 00:16:24,527 choosing how the girls should look, 393 00:16:24,527 --> 00:16:25,563 and it wasn't us. 394 00:16:26,933 --> 00:16:28,937 So going to high school, 395 00:16:28,937 --> 00:16:33,779 Feni concentrated on being the smartest at everything. 396 00:16:33,779 --> 00:16:36,785 And she auditioned and she got accepted 397 00:16:36,785 --> 00:16:39,757 into the High School of Performing Arts. 398 00:16:39,757 --> 00:16:42,530 She had a curiosity in her spirit 399 00:16:42,530 --> 00:16:44,400 about what she wanted to be, 400 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,538 but she wasn't comfortable 401 00:16:46,538 --> 00:16:49,510 knowing that she didn't have what the other kids had, 402 00:16:49,510 --> 00:16:51,916 because they were rich White kids from the suburbs somewhere. 403 00:16:51,916 --> 00:16:55,422 So, yeah, it was anger, because my mother can't do this, 404 00:16:55,422 --> 00:16:56,893 my mother can't do that. 405 00:16:56,893 --> 00:16:58,829 And I was comfortable in whatever it was. 406 00:16:58,829 --> 00:17:01,167 You know, I'd be all right. Feni was never that. 407 00:17:01,167 --> 00:17:04,707 She felt things differently and deeper, 408 00:17:04,707 --> 00:17:07,813 because she always wanted to be beyond 409 00:17:07,813 --> 00:17:09,817 what her circumstances were. 410 00:17:09,817 --> 00:17:13,559 Feni was really both a wanderer and a wonderer, 411 00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:15,596 and I don't mean aimlessly. 412 00:17:15,596 --> 00:17:17,500 - SEALE: I am... - CROWD: I am... 413 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:19,704 - SEALE: ...a revolutionary. - CROWD: ...a revolutionary. 414 00:17:19,704 --> 00:17:22,543 GLORIA: So, yeah, she stepped right into the Black Panther Party. 415 00:17:22,543 --> 00:17:25,683 That was Bobby Seale she saw on 125th Street. 416 00:17:25,683 --> 00:17:27,787 - I am... - CROWD: I am... 417 00:17:27,787 --> 00:17:29,190 ...a revolutionary. 418 00:17:29,190 --> 00:17:31,628 GLORIA: And I was scared. 419 00:17:31,628 --> 00:17:33,498 REPORTER 1: Thirty-two-year-old ex-con named Bobby Seale 420 00:17:33,498 --> 00:17:35,937 proclaims his hope for revolution. 421 00:17:35,937 --> 00:17:37,941 GLORIA: All I knew was what I saw on television. 422 00:17:37,941 --> 00:17:39,945 REPORTER 2: The extremists, the revolutionaries, 423 00:17:39,945 --> 00:17:42,851 say the Black people have been left with no alternative 424 00:17:42,851 --> 00:17:44,821 but to gain by violence what they've been denied 425 00:17:44,821 --> 00:17:46,658 by peaceful means. 426 00:17:46,658 --> 00:17:48,729 So the same thing that I admired and loved 427 00:17:48,729 --> 00:17:51,134 for the Black people standing on there with the guns, 428 00:17:51,134 --> 00:17:54,540 now my sister's down with it. Well, that's a different story. 429 00:17:54,540 --> 00:17:56,478 But that's what she was doing, 430 00:17:56,478 --> 00:17:58,148 then that's what I was down with. 431 00:17:58,148 --> 00:17:59,885 REPORTER 2: They offer self-respect, 432 00:17:59,885 --> 00:18:01,755 pride in being Black, 433 00:18:01,755 --> 00:18:04,895 beauty in being Black, and Black people are listening. 434 00:18:04,895 --> 00:18:08,235 AFENI: I was liberated and empowered 435 00:18:08,235 --> 00:18:10,673 by the Black Panther Party, 436 00:18:10,673 --> 00:18:11,842 because young women at that time 437 00:18:11,842 --> 00:18:13,578 wanted to be different, 438 00:18:13,578 --> 00:18:15,549 and young men were perfectly willing 439 00:18:15,549 --> 00:18:19,624 to see women as individuals that they could respect. 440 00:18:19,624 --> 00:18:22,463 That was something that I yearned for. 441 00:18:22,463 --> 00:18:25,469 GLORIA: She brought an array of characters 442 00:18:25,469 --> 00:18:27,908 that I had never thought existed. 443 00:18:27,908 --> 00:18:30,479 Panthers, hustlers, 444 00:18:30,479 --> 00:18:32,918 gay women, gay men. 445 00:18:32,918 --> 00:18:35,789 So if she opened up my world, 446 00:18:35,789 --> 00:18:41,534 imagine her son around this array of characters, 447 00:18:41,534 --> 00:18:43,638 what that was for him. 448 00:18:43,638 --> 00:18:45,609 In the beginning, it's beautiful. 449 00:18:46,912 --> 00:18:48,515 TUPAC: I can't stand racism 450 00:18:48,515 --> 00:18:50,653 in any form, shape, or color. 451 00:18:50,653 --> 00:18:52,223 I feel like if you can't respect yourself, 452 00:18:52,223 --> 00:18:54,160 then you can't respect your race, 453 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,031 then you can't respect another's race. 454 00:18:56,031 --> 00:18:58,502 It just has to do with respect, like my mother taught me. 455 00:18:58,502 --> 00:19:00,272 So, what we want-- 456 00:19:00,272 --> 00:19:02,209 What we're doing is starting the Black Panthers again. 457 00:19:02,209 --> 00:19:05,549 And I'm talking to a lot of the ex-members of the Panthers. 458 00:19:05,549 --> 00:19:07,553 And they did a lot of good things in the past. 459 00:19:07,553 --> 00:19:09,557 It's just that... 460 00:19:09,557 --> 00:19:10,894 you know those things they had for the mice 461 00:19:10,894 --> 00:19:12,697 where they go through around the circle 462 00:19:12,697 --> 00:19:13,765 and it has little blocks for it and everything? 463 00:19:13,765 --> 00:19:15,970 Well, society is like that. 464 00:19:15,970 --> 00:19:17,941 They'll let you go as far as you want, 465 00:19:17,941 --> 00:19:19,744 but as soon as you start asking too many questions 466 00:19:19,744 --> 00:19:21,715 and you're ready to change, 467 00:19:21,715 --> 00:19:23,752 boom, their blocker come. 468 00:19:23,752 --> 00:19:27,193 And, for me, minds would come through being a statistic. 469 00:19:35,175 --> 00:19:36,870 MAN: Have you had your deposition 470 00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:37,895 taken before? 471 00:19:39,317 --> 00:19:42,123 TUPAC: On one other occasion, I have, yes. 472 00:19:42,123 --> 00:19:44,895 MAN: Do you understand, then, the deposition process 473 00:19:44,895 --> 00:19:48,235 in that I'm gonna ask you some questions and you, under oath, 474 00:19:48,235 --> 00:19:51,541 are gonna answer my questions, and we'll have it on video? 475 00:19:52,978 --> 00:19:54,547 - Yes, I do. - MAN: Okay. 476 00:19:55,917 --> 00:19:57,553 How'd you get interested in music? 477 00:20:01,996 --> 00:20:03,900 I started off with poetry. 478 00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:05,970 It is my opinion that I was rapping 479 00:20:05,970 --> 00:20:07,974 while I was writing poetry. 480 00:20:07,974 --> 00:20:10,847 But while I was in Marin County, 481 00:20:10,847 --> 00:20:12,984 poets, I saw, 482 00:20:12,984 --> 00:20:14,988 were looked on as, like, wimps. 483 00:20:14,988 --> 00:20:16,992 So I did that personally, 484 00:20:16,992 --> 00:20:20,132 but then I started to change the method of my poetry. 485 00:20:20,132 --> 00:20:22,803 - MAN: Okay, how old were you? - TUPAC: 17. 486 00:20:22,803 --> 00:20:24,774 Seventeen's such a weird age. 487 00:20:24,774 --> 00:20:27,012 Like today, when I had to sign the release form, 488 00:20:27,012 --> 00:20:29,150 I felt so bad 'cause I couldn't sign it myself. 489 00:20:29,150 --> 00:20:32,056 I had to go and get my mother's and all that, but... 490 00:20:32,056 --> 00:20:36,064 18 is... it's just society's way of saying that you're ready. 491 00:20:36,064 --> 00:20:38,903 But 17, like, I think I'm ready now, 492 00:20:38,903 --> 00:20:41,074 as ready as I'm gonna be in this world, but... 493 00:20:41,074 --> 00:20:44,781 So, it's okay, I guess 17 is alright. 494 00:20:44,781 --> 00:20:47,052 RYAN: When Tupac first came out here, 495 00:20:47,052 --> 00:20:49,824 he was totally different than everybody else. 496 00:20:49,824 --> 00:20:51,962 I remember when I first met him, he had on a-- 497 00:20:51,962 --> 00:20:54,066 He would wear this jean outfit with, like, ripped jeans and stuff. 498 00:20:54,066 --> 00:20:56,337 Nobody wore ripped clothes in the late '80s. 499 00:20:56,337 --> 00:20:58,308 If that is the East Coast style, I don't know. 500 00:20:58,308 --> 00:21:00,045 It was different to us. 501 00:21:00,045 --> 00:21:02,082 So he stood out like a sore thumb. 502 00:21:02,082 --> 00:21:04,787 But at the same time, he was so charismatic. 503 00:21:04,787 --> 00:21:06,057 Everybody liked Tupac. 504 00:21:06,057 --> 00:21:07,793 INTERVIEWER: What-- Give me a-- 505 00:21:07,793 --> 00:21:09,030 You-- Like last year, you were in New York? 506 00:21:09,030 --> 00:21:10,332 - Yeah. - INTERVIEWER: Where? 507 00:21:10,332 --> 00:21:11,902 No, last year, I was in Baltimore. 508 00:21:11,902 --> 00:21:13,672 Year before that, I was in-- 509 00:21:13,672 --> 00:21:15,175 I spent three years in Baltimore, my high school years, 510 00:21:15,175 --> 00:21:16,846 going to the School of Performing Arts. 511 00:21:16,846 --> 00:21:19,083 (upbeat music playing) 512 00:21:20,854 --> 00:21:22,958 Then before that, I was in New York. 513 00:21:22,958 --> 00:21:25,362 That's where I grew up. 514 00:21:25,362 --> 00:21:27,934 We moved out of New York because of my mother's choices. 515 00:21:27,934 --> 00:21:29,938 And I came to California to escape that violence 516 00:21:29,938 --> 00:21:32,176 that I escaped New York for, escaped Baltimore for. 517 00:21:32,176 --> 00:21:35,182 Come to Marin City, and there's skinheads violence. 518 00:21:36,952 --> 00:21:38,822 KENDRICK: This is Marin County. 519 00:21:38,822 --> 00:21:42,864 Probably like the fifth-richest county in the United States. 520 00:21:42,864 --> 00:21:44,935 A lot of old money. 521 00:21:44,935 --> 00:21:46,070 Beautiful place. 522 00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:47,841 Nothing but scenery 523 00:21:47,841 --> 00:21:50,145 next to the Golden Gate Bridge. 524 00:21:50,145 --> 00:21:52,116 SINGER: ♪ You make me feel So good ♪ 525 00:21:52,116 --> 00:21:53,986 KENDRICK: Marin City is a little hole... 526 00:21:53,986 --> 00:21:55,990 TUPAC: Fuck the police. 527 00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:57,092 KENDRICK: ...right at the bottom of the hill... 528 00:21:57,092 --> 00:21:59,096 TUPAC: Fuck the police. 529 00:21:59,096 --> 00:22:00,732 KENDRICK: ...where they put all the Black people. 530 00:22:00,732 --> 00:22:02,169 SINGER: ♪ Oh, my gosh ♪ 531 00:22:02,169 --> 00:22:04,373 We used to say, "One way in, one way out." 532 00:22:04,373 --> 00:22:06,846 SINGER: ♪ Thinking Of a master plan ♪ 533 00:22:06,846 --> 00:22:08,983 ♪ 'Cause ain't nothing But sweat inside my hand ♪ 534 00:22:08,983 --> 00:22:11,754 ♪ So I dig into my pocket All my money spent ♪ 535 00:22:11,754 --> 00:22:13,725 ♪ So I dig deeper But still coming up with lint ♪ 536 00:22:13,725 --> 00:22:15,362 RYAN: We lived in the Tall Buildings, 537 00:22:15,362 --> 00:22:17,032 the original project buildings in Marin City. 538 00:22:17,032 --> 00:22:18,870 From my back patio, 539 00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:20,005 I could look out to the Tiburon Bay 540 00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:22,109 and see mansions and yachts. 541 00:22:22,109 --> 00:22:24,013 And I go out my front door, 542 00:22:24,013 --> 00:22:25,782 and I see dope fiends and kids with no shoes, 543 00:22:25,782 --> 00:22:27,319 and they ain't ate all day. 544 00:22:27,319 --> 00:22:29,156 So I was outspoken on political things, 545 00:22:29,156 --> 00:22:31,027 but Tupac was me times ten. 546 00:22:31,027 --> 00:22:33,765 TUPAC: In Marin City, I've seen already death. 547 00:22:33,765 --> 00:22:35,870 I mean, aren't they wondering why death rates are going up, 548 00:22:35,870 --> 00:22:37,172 and suicide, drug abuse? 549 00:22:37,172 --> 00:22:39,010 Aren't they wondering? I mean... 550 00:22:39,010 --> 00:22:40,980 RAY: Pac is beyond conscious. 551 00:22:40,980 --> 00:22:43,886 His hairstyle is conscious, profound, distinct. 552 00:22:43,886 --> 00:22:46,157 And I'm looking at this dude like there's no way 553 00:22:46,157 --> 00:22:48,863 that he's a good rapper dressed like that. 554 00:22:50,332 --> 00:22:53,004 But never judge a book by its cover. 555 00:22:53,004 --> 00:22:55,877 ♪ As real as it seems The American dream ♪ 556 00:22:55,877 --> 00:22:57,881 ♪ Ain't nothing but another Calculated scheme ♪ 557 00:22:57,881 --> 00:22:59,918 ♪ To get us locked up Shot up and back in chains ♪ 558 00:22:59,918 --> 00:23:02,156 ♪ To deny us of the future Rob our names ♪ 559 00:23:02,156 --> 00:23:04,327 RYAN: Rakim was out at the time. I would tell everybody, 560 00:23:04,327 --> 00:23:07,232 "My buddy is doper than Rakim right now. He's 17 years old." 561 00:23:07,232 --> 00:23:08,335 ♪ You kept my history A mystery ♪ 562 00:23:08,335 --> 00:23:10,305 ♪ But now I see ♪ 563 00:23:10,305 --> 00:23:12,142 ♪ The American dream Wasn't meant for me ♪ 564 00:23:12,142 --> 00:23:13,278 ♪ 'Cause Lady Liberty's A hypocrite ♪ 565 00:23:13,278 --> 00:23:15,182 ♪ She lied to me ♪ 566 00:23:15,182 --> 00:23:17,086 ♪ Promised me freedom Education, and equality ♪ 567 00:23:17,086 --> 00:23:19,290 ♪ She never gave me Nothing but slavery ♪ 568 00:23:19,290 --> 00:23:22,029 ♪ So now look at how dangerous You made me ♪ 569 00:23:22,029 --> 00:23:25,335 He's rappin' about stuff that I'm not even beginning to think about. 570 00:23:25,335 --> 00:23:26,804 And I'm blown away. 571 00:23:26,804 --> 00:23:28,041 ♪ Calling me a madman ♪ 572 00:23:28,041 --> 00:23:29,810 ♪ Because I'm strong and bold ♪ 573 00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:30,947 ♪ With this gun Full of knowledge ♪ 574 00:23:30,947 --> 00:23:32,917 ♪ Of the lies you told ♪ 575 00:23:32,917 --> 00:23:34,820 ♪ Promise me emancipation In this new nation ♪ 576 00:23:34,820 --> 00:23:36,959 ♪ All you ever gave my people Was starvation ♪ 577 00:23:36,959 --> 00:23:38,996 ♪ Fathers of this country Never cared for me ♪ 578 00:23:38,996 --> 00:23:41,067 ♪ They kept my ancestors Shackled up in slavery ♪ 579 00:23:41,067 --> 00:23:43,371 ♪ And Uncle Sam never did A damn thing for me ♪ 580 00:23:43,371 --> 00:23:45,910 ♪ Except lie about the facts Of my history ♪ 581 00:23:45,910 --> 00:23:48,315 RYAN: It's amazing to me because I would look in his rap book. 582 00:23:48,315 --> 00:23:50,954 He'd have pages of poems in between raps. 583 00:23:50,954 --> 00:23:52,958 You know, he'd write a hard rap, 584 00:23:52,958 --> 00:23:54,995 then have a poem about a girl he fell in love with, 585 00:23:54,995 --> 00:23:58,001 with hearts and flowers and eyeballs all on top of it. 586 00:23:58,001 --> 00:23:59,337 I always thought that was weird. 587 00:23:59,337 --> 00:24:01,341 Romantic. I mean, people didn't know 588 00:24:01,341 --> 00:24:03,879 he was a ballet dancer, he was an actor. 589 00:24:03,879 --> 00:24:05,549 Whatever you're talking about, he knew about it. 590 00:24:05,549 --> 00:24:07,887 But he was saying stuff that we wanted to hear, 591 00:24:07,887 --> 00:24:10,994 and we didn't want to hear about women, about us, about his mom. 592 00:24:10,994 --> 00:24:13,264 ♪ My mother never let me Forget my history ♪ 593 00:24:13,264 --> 00:24:15,903 ♪ Hoping I was set free Chains never put on me ♪ 594 00:24:15,903 --> 00:24:18,074 ♪ Wanted to be More than just free ♪ 595 00:24:18,074 --> 00:24:20,012 ♪ Had to know the true facts About my history ♪ 596 00:24:20,012 --> 00:24:21,849 And he'd be over here, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm, like... 597 00:24:21,849 --> 00:24:23,218 TUPAC: Like yesterday he was cursing, 598 00:24:23,218 --> 00:24:24,988 and I was like, "Don't curse." 599 00:24:24,988 --> 00:24:26,992 And he got mad at me because I told him not to curse. 600 00:24:26,992 --> 00:24:28,228 Mind y'all, I wasn't really trying to hear it. 601 00:24:28,228 --> 00:24:30,265 They call girls the B-word. 602 00:24:30,265 --> 00:24:32,403 - KENDRICK: Yeah, yeah, yeah. - TUPAC: They are getting girls. 603 00:24:32,403 --> 00:24:34,975 And I'm going, "Peace," and, "I think you're beautiful." 604 00:24:34,975 --> 00:24:38,014 And they're going, "Well, I like him because he's masculine." 605 00:24:38,014 --> 00:24:40,853 I'm masculine. I mean... 606 00:24:40,853 --> 00:24:43,893 But then, I was liking this girl in Tam. And I'm extra nice. 607 00:24:43,893 --> 00:24:45,562 You know, extra gentleman. 608 00:24:45,562 --> 00:24:47,032 I'm extra just, like, "Oh, you're beautiful, 609 00:24:47,032 --> 00:24:48,401 and you deserve the best," 610 00:24:48,401 --> 00:24:51,174 and she told me I was too nice. 611 00:24:51,174 --> 00:24:52,977 I couldn't believe it. 612 00:24:52,977 --> 00:24:55,015 It wouldn't work 'cause I was too nice. 613 00:24:55,015 --> 00:24:57,019 That was the ultimate stab in the back. 614 00:24:57,019 --> 00:24:58,989 So I went through a week of just going, 615 00:24:58,989 --> 00:25:00,392 "Forget it. I'm just gonna be like them." 616 00:25:01,594 --> 00:25:04,333 KENDRICK: He was hurt. 617 00:25:04,333 --> 00:25:06,137 It wasn't so much he changed, you know, 618 00:25:06,137 --> 00:25:07,974 I always say, he made progressions. 619 00:25:09,377 --> 00:25:11,180 He just jumped in the car and started doing 620 00:25:11,180 --> 00:25:13,284 what me and my friends were doing, 621 00:25:13,284 --> 00:25:16,023 which was romanticizing all over the county. 622 00:25:16,023 --> 00:25:18,061 And from then on, he became a player. 623 00:25:18,061 --> 00:25:20,198 But he did something I did not do. 624 00:25:20,198 --> 00:25:23,071 He went into the girls' minds, 625 00:25:23,071 --> 00:25:27,046 and he became what they wanted. 626 00:25:27,046 --> 00:25:29,050 RYAN: That was his gift. 627 00:25:29,050 --> 00:25:31,054 He related to them. He got into character. 628 00:25:31,054 --> 00:25:32,891 And he was real about it. 629 00:25:32,891 --> 00:25:35,162 He showed a part of them that they'd never seen. 630 00:25:35,162 --> 00:25:38,068 And when I say "player," I don't mean somebody who lies to women 631 00:25:38,068 --> 00:25:42,042 or someone who knows the game and fits in appropriately. 632 00:25:42,042 --> 00:25:44,080 It's an addition to the situation, 633 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,649 and he was a great player. 634 00:25:45,649 --> 00:25:47,252 He stole the show. 635 00:25:47,252 --> 00:25:49,323 No matter what crowd we took him around, 636 00:25:49,323 --> 00:25:52,997 I don't care if it was the most gangster dudes in East Oakland, 637 00:25:52,997 --> 00:25:56,070 rich men, or some square cats in Santa Rosa, 638 00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:58,208 Tupac would instantly use the same words they'd use 639 00:25:58,208 --> 00:26:00,178 that fit right in. 640 00:26:00,178 --> 00:26:02,182 And everybody would be drawn to him immediately, 641 00:26:02,182 --> 00:26:04,955 White, Black, no matter who it was, 642 00:26:04,955 --> 00:26:07,659 but being around that environment, he ended up doing things 643 00:26:07,659 --> 00:26:09,063 that he really didn't have to do. 644 00:26:09,063 --> 00:26:10,665 He was struggling financially, 645 00:26:10,665 --> 00:26:12,202 and so he was trying to sell drugs. 646 00:26:12,202 --> 00:26:14,073 I mean, crack was full blown. 647 00:26:14,073 --> 00:26:16,010 But Tupac was such a nice person, 648 00:26:16,010 --> 00:26:17,246 he probably was fronting all his dope out. 649 00:26:17,246 --> 00:26:19,350 RAY: We sucked at selling crack. 650 00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:22,656 We was the worst crack dealers in the history of crack dealers. 651 00:26:22,656 --> 00:26:26,097 He sold crack for, like, I think five days. 652 00:26:26,097 --> 00:26:29,003 I think I sold crack for seven, mostly, 653 00:26:29,003 --> 00:26:31,007 because I couldn't sell my crack, which is weird, 654 00:26:31,007 --> 00:26:33,344 like, I just... don't nobody want it, 655 00:26:33,344 --> 00:26:36,350 like, I don't even know how to, like, who to take it to. 656 00:26:36,350 --> 00:26:38,688 But we knew very quickly 657 00:26:38,688 --> 00:26:41,962 that that was not gonna be our way out. 658 00:26:41,962 --> 00:26:46,704 Because capitalism requires that your empathy level is relatively low, 659 00:26:46,704 --> 00:26:51,681 and his empathy level was a little higher than most people. 660 00:26:51,681 --> 00:26:54,019 He did not believe in hurting, maiming, 661 00:26:54,019 --> 00:26:55,589 or killing Black people. 662 00:26:55,589 --> 00:26:58,428 So if a person's smoking crack 663 00:26:58,428 --> 00:27:01,033 with their daughter or their son, 664 00:27:01,033 --> 00:27:03,004 he's not gonna recover from that. 665 00:27:03,004 --> 00:27:05,142 But one day, comin' out of school, 666 00:27:05,142 --> 00:27:07,112 Leila's standing outside 667 00:27:07,112 --> 00:27:09,583 looking for kids that wanna perform and did that. 668 00:27:09,583 --> 00:27:10,719 LEILA: I'd like to just introduce 669 00:27:10,719 --> 00:27:12,189 everyone who participated. 670 00:27:12,189 --> 00:27:13,658 This is my daughter Shaquan... 671 00:27:13,658 --> 00:27:15,595 - TUPAC: Leila Steinberg. - ...Shiqua... 672 00:27:15,595 --> 00:27:17,666 TUPAC: She was older and she was White, 673 00:27:17,666 --> 00:27:19,336 and she's the one that I used 674 00:27:19,336 --> 00:27:21,707 - to let look at my poetry. - ...Raymond... 675 00:27:21,707 --> 00:27:24,046 She understood a lot of things 676 00:27:24,046 --> 00:27:26,717 that I was doing that other people couldn't understand. 677 00:27:26,717 --> 00:27:30,192 And she's the one that, um... 678 00:27:30,192 --> 00:27:33,431 stayed on me about working hard to do my music. 679 00:27:33,431 --> 00:27:36,204 RAY: Leila is an anomaly, 680 00:27:36,204 --> 00:27:39,143 but at her most pure, she's a educator. 681 00:27:39,143 --> 00:27:42,216 One of our main goals is to educate while we entertain. 682 00:27:42,216 --> 00:27:44,286 RAY: Pac and I knew very early 683 00:27:44,286 --> 00:27:47,159 that this business is brutal. 684 00:27:47,159 --> 00:27:50,732 Like the most criminal-minded, shady people 685 00:27:50,732 --> 00:27:53,204 feasting off theater kids. 686 00:27:53,204 --> 00:27:55,742 Whereas Leila's very conscious 687 00:27:55,742 --> 00:27:57,613 and laid back. 688 00:27:57,613 --> 00:28:01,120 So we was, "Listen, we need you to be a real White lady 689 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,258 in this business for us." 690 00:28:03,258 --> 00:28:05,061 Okay. 691 00:28:05,061 --> 00:28:06,063 WOMAN: Okay. 692 00:28:12,643 --> 00:28:15,615 LEILA: I didn't know anything about the business 693 00:28:15,615 --> 00:28:16,784 when we started. 694 00:28:16,784 --> 00:28:18,655 I never wanted to manage. 695 00:28:18,655 --> 00:28:20,725 Tupac was just convinced 696 00:28:20,725 --> 00:28:23,531 that I could get through any door. 697 00:28:23,531 --> 00:28:26,837 But a part of management is parenting. 698 00:28:26,837 --> 00:28:28,808 And he met me 699 00:28:28,808 --> 00:28:32,850 when his mom was deep in her struggle. 700 00:28:32,850 --> 00:28:35,555 And, I mean, we could talk for hours 701 00:28:35,555 --> 00:28:37,693 about the challenges of being a Panther 702 00:28:37,693 --> 00:28:39,096 and being let down, 703 00:28:39,096 --> 00:28:41,734 but what I knew is that Afeni 704 00:28:41,734 --> 00:28:44,473 was his hero. 705 00:28:44,473 --> 00:28:46,744 TUPAC: Well, I never knew who my father was. 706 00:28:46,744 --> 00:28:48,715 He was a hustler, a street hustler. 707 00:28:48,715 --> 00:28:52,122 I met him, but he died, and that was horrible, 708 00:28:52,122 --> 00:28:54,760 but got over that. My mother is really 709 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,364 my father and mother. 710 00:28:56,364 --> 00:28:58,101 And really strict, almost. 711 00:28:58,101 --> 00:28:59,837 But now, I can see how it paid off. 712 00:28:59,837 --> 00:29:02,643 Because I can talk to my mother about anything, 713 00:29:02,643 --> 00:29:05,749 like, I could say, "Ma, I'm really curious about this drug." 714 00:29:05,749 --> 00:29:07,854 And she will go, "I did it, and this is what happened, 715 00:29:07,854 --> 00:29:09,623 and I don't think you should." 716 00:29:09,623 --> 00:29:11,727 So she's my guide through life. 717 00:29:11,727 --> 00:29:13,665 And she's human, I mean, she has mistakes, 718 00:29:13,665 --> 00:29:15,669 and we get in our tiffs and everything. 719 00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:17,606 But it's good. 720 00:29:17,606 --> 00:29:19,176 LEILA: He was like me. 721 00:29:19,176 --> 00:29:20,745 You know, we hide behind a smile 722 00:29:20,745 --> 00:29:22,516 and fake like we're all right. 723 00:29:22,516 --> 00:29:23,651 (laughs) 724 00:29:23,651 --> 00:29:25,655 He couldn't really expose 725 00:29:25,655 --> 00:29:27,726 how broken he was. 726 00:29:27,726 --> 00:29:29,430 It was me, I admit it. 727 00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:31,667 LEILA: But everything he ever wrote 728 00:29:31,667 --> 00:29:34,841 was a road map to understand a condition. 729 00:29:34,841 --> 00:29:37,346 AFENI: I right now have deep pain 730 00:29:37,346 --> 00:29:39,416 about those years. 731 00:29:39,416 --> 00:29:42,723 At that point, I think the effects of everything, 732 00:29:42,723 --> 00:29:44,660 the trials, the police, whatever. 733 00:29:44,660 --> 00:29:46,464 I don't want to cry about it. 734 00:29:46,464 --> 00:29:48,468 But it was having a bad effect on me. 735 00:29:49,570 --> 00:29:51,440 (Blood speaking) 736 00:29:59,356 --> 00:30:01,827 AFENI: This is when I was smoking crack cocaine. 737 00:30:01,827 --> 00:30:03,564 Yeah. 738 00:30:24,373 --> 00:30:26,677 RAY: I didn't see the fingerprints 739 00:30:26,677 --> 00:30:29,884 of her addiction at that time. 740 00:30:29,884 --> 00:30:34,693 It was an entire generation of us that were latchkey kids. 741 00:30:34,693 --> 00:30:37,699 So our parents were hardworking addicts. 742 00:30:37,699 --> 00:30:39,770 Never completely present. 743 00:30:39,770 --> 00:30:41,474 And we didn't think we were getting 744 00:30:41,474 --> 00:30:42,809 anything out of school. 745 00:30:42,809 --> 00:30:44,546 It's just a place you go during the day, 746 00:30:44,546 --> 00:30:46,250 to keep you busy while they're at work. 747 00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:47,854 RAY: So we learned to raise each other. 748 00:30:47,854 --> 00:30:49,623 While they're at work, that's exactly what it is. 749 00:30:49,623 --> 00:30:51,862 RAY: But when he hustled, the whole point was 750 00:30:51,862 --> 00:30:54,833 to take care of his mother and sister Sekyiwa. 751 00:30:54,833 --> 00:30:57,706 Yeah, I'm... I'm actually been working already, you know, 752 00:30:57,706 --> 00:31:00,412 like, I've been going to school during the day 753 00:31:00,412 --> 00:31:03,618 then I work eight hours at the pizza place, then go home. 754 00:31:03,618 --> 00:31:06,824 And if I'm... Isn't it like, 40-hour week, that's what adults work, right? 755 00:31:06,824 --> 00:31:10,398 And that's what I'm working, 40 hours a week. I'm still poor. 756 00:31:10,398 --> 00:31:13,571 My family's still poor, I'm still living in a poor neighborhood. 757 00:31:13,571 --> 00:31:14,740 RAY: ♪ You know They got me trapped ♪ 758 00:31:14,740 --> 00:31:16,744 ♪ In this prison of seclusion ♪ 759 00:31:16,744 --> 00:31:18,949 ♪ Happiness, living On the streets is a delusion ♪ 760 00:31:18,949 --> 00:31:22,456 ♪ Even a smooth criminal One day must get caught ♪ 761 00:31:22,456 --> 00:31:24,359 I wrote the opening line 762 00:31:24,359 --> 00:31:27,967 to a song about how I felt in this environment, 763 00:31:27,967 --> 00:31:30,839 but I was never really comfortable 764 00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:34,813 with being as intimate and open as Pac was. 765 00:31:34,813 --> 00:31:37,854 Mind you, we're living in a world pre-Tupac. 766 00:31:37,854 --> 00:31:39,757 There is no Brenda's Got a Baby. 767 00:31:39,757 --> 00:31:41,594 There is no Keep Ya Head Up. 768 00:31:41,594 --> 00:31:42,930 There is no Dear Mama. 769 00:31:42,930 --> 00:31:45,835 That doesn't exist in hip-hop yet. 770 00:31:45,835 --> 00:31:48,574 So I crumpled it up and I threw it in the garbage can. 771 00:31:48,574 --> 00:31:50,812 And he was, like, "What are you doing with this? Why are you throwing it away?" 772 00:31:50,812 --> 00:31:52,349 I'm like, "Man, I don't want that. 773 00:31:52,349 --> 00:31:53,785 I don't want that on my record. 774 00:31:53,785 --> 00:31:55,722 I don't want to be that personal." 775 00:31:55,722 --> 00:31:58,361 LEILA: Tupac never would've performed 776 00:31:58,361 --> 00:31:59,830 anybody else's song or lyrics, 777 00:31:59,830 --> 00:32:02,769 but they were so close and so connected 778 00:32:02,769 --> 00:32:05,708 that when Tupac got the lyrics out of the trash can, 779 00:32:05,708 --> 00:32:08,448 he was, like, "I feel like I wrote this. This is me." 780 00:32:08,448 --> 00:32:10,752 RAY: He was, like, "Let me do something with this." 781 00:32:10,752 --> 00:32:12,622 TUPAC: ♪ Shot up or shot down With the bullet That he bought ♪ 782 00:32:12,622 --> 00:32:14,626 ♪ Nine-millimeter kicking ♪ 783 00:32:14,626 --> 00:32:16,764 ♪ Thinking about What the streets do to me ♪ 784 00:32:16,764 --> 00:32:19,369 ♪ 'Cause they never talk peace In the Black community ♪ 785 00:32:19,369 --> 00:32:23,946 RAY: That was the beginning of what ultimately became 2Pacalypse Now. 786 00:32:23,946 --> 00:32:25,648 ♪ All we know is violence ♪ 787 00:32:25,648 --> 00:32:27,652 ♪ Do the job in silence ♪ 788 00:32:27,652 --> 00:32:29,858 ♪ Walk the city streets Like a rat pack of tyrants ♪ 789 00:32:29,858 --> 00:32:32,696 ♪ Too many brothers Daily headed for the big pen ♪ 790 00:32:32,696 --> 00:32:35,802 ♪ Niggas coming out worse off Than when they went in ♪ 791 00:32:35,802 --> 00:32:38,474 ♪ Over the years I've done A lot of growing up ♪ 792 00:32:38,474 --> 00:32:39,911 ♪ Get drunk, throwing up, Cuffed up ♪ 793 00:32:39,911 --> 00:32:42,349 ♪ Then I said, "I had enough" ♪ 794 00:32:42,349 --> 00:32:44,888 ♪ There must be another route Way out to money and fame ♪ 795 00:32:44,888 --> 00:32:47,392 ♪ I changed my name Played a different game ♪ 796 00:32:47,392 --> 00:32:49,796 ♪ Tired of being trapped In this vicious cycle ♪ 797 00:32:49,796 --> 00:32:51,800 ♪ If one more cop harasses me I just might go psycho ♪ 798 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,671 ♪ And when I get 'em ♪ 799 00:32:53,671 --> 00:32:55,675 ♪ I hit 'em With a bum rush ♪ 800 00:32:55,675 --> 00:32:57,812 ♪ Only a lunatic would like To see a skull crush ♪ 801 00:32:57,812 --> 00:33:00,853 ♪ Yo, if you're smart You'll really let me go, G ♪ 802 00:33:00,853 --> 00:33:02,822 ♪ But keep me cooped up in this Ghetto and catch the Uzi ♪ 803 00:33:02,822 --> 00:33:04,826 ♪ They got me trapped ♪ 804 00:33:04,826 --> 00:33:06,730 AFENI: The situation that I had my children in... 805 00:33:06,730 --> 00:33:08,634 TUPAC: ♪ Trapped ♪ 806 00:33:08,634 --> 00:33:09,703 AFENI: ...the way that we were living at that point... 807 00:33:09,703 --> 00:33:11,540 TUPAC: ♪ Trapped ♪ 808 00:33:11,540 --> 00:33:13,444 AFENI: ...it affected my children very deeply. 809 00:33:13,444 --> 00:33:15,515 TUPAC: ♪ They got me trapped ♪ 810 00:33:15,515 --> 00:33:17,854 AFENI: But because the drugs devastate so completely... 811 00:33:17,854 --> 00:33:19,556 TUPAC: ♪ Trapped ♪ 812 00:33:19,556 --> 00:33:20,825 AFENI: ...I had to look at myself. 813 00:33:20,825 --> 00:33:22,629 TUPAC: ♪ Trapped ♪ 814 00:33:22,629 --> 00:33:24,433 AFENI: And make changes in my own self. 815 00:33:24,433 --> 00:33:26,537 ATRON: One day, Tupac came up to me and said, 816 00:33:26,537 --> 00:33:28,976 "Can you give my mom a ride to the bus station? 817 00:33:28,976 --> 00:33:30,745 She's about to go to rehab." 818 00:33:30,745 --> 00:33:32,716 And he was just quiet. 819 00:33:32,716 --> 00:33:34,854 Afeni was in the back seat, and she was not herself. 820 00:33:34,854 --> 00:33:38,896 She was feeling terrible, and it was just a sad ride. 821 00:33:38,896 --> 00:33:41,767 AFENI: It's just a hectic turmoil. 822 00:33:41,767 --> 00:33:44,506 On the other hand, personally, 823 00:33:44,506 --> 00:33:47,612 this is not from Tupac's perspective, 824 00:33:47,612 --> 00:33:49,383 from my perspective, 825 00:33:49,383 --> 00:33:51,520 there is no way 826 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,926 that I could've crawled back up 827 00:33:53,926 --> 00:33:57,699 had I not been broken by those drugs first. 828 00:34:03,010 --> 00:34:07,752 That meant that the last five years of my son's life, 829 00:34:07,752 --> 00:34:11,660 he had the benefit of a mother who was completely present. 830 00:34:13,798 --> 00:34:17,739 That was worth everything to me. 831 00:34:27,459 --> 00:34:31,533 JAMAL: When Tupac was a child, he was the life of the party... 832 00:34:31,533 --> 00:34:34,506 always the one creating a game 833 00:34:34,506 --> 00:34:36,143 or a talent show. 834 00:34:36,143 --> 00:34:38,915 And you knew whatever it was, 835 00:34:38,915 --> 00:34:41,153 that he was the center of that energy. 836 00:34:41,153 --> 00:34:43,925 So I recognized that there was something kind of special. 837 00:34:43,925 --> 00:34:45,996 Then they left New York. 838 00:34:45,996 --> 00:34:50,138 And around that same time, 839 00:34:50,138 --> 00:34:52,175 I went back to prison. 840 00:34:52,175 --> 00:34:53,912 And this is the longest time I was gone. 841 00:34:53,912 --> 00:34:56,483 I was gone for close to six years. 842 00:34:56,483 --> 00:34:58,487 And when I came back, 843 00:34:58,487 --> 00:35:02,062 I had this little Honda that had a cassette player. 844 00:35:02,062 --> 00:35:06,103 And I remember someone, who also knew the Shakur family, 845 00:35:06,103 --> 00:35:07,639 got me a cassette. 846 00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:09,576 And I played this tape. 847 00:35:09,576 --> 00:35:11,113 ("Never Be Beat" playing) 848 00:35:14,286 --> 00:35:17,927 And so I stopped and I said, "This is Tupac. 849 00:35:17,927 --> 00:35:19,096 This is my godson Tupac." 850 00:35:19,096 --> 00:35:20,966 And he says, "Yeah." 851 00:35:20,966 --> 00:35:23,270 He said, "You know, he's gonna be the next one." 852 00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:27,045 (gun cocks and fires) 853 00:35:27,045 --> 00:35:30,151 We feel that the problem of the Black man in America 854 00:35:30,151 --> 00:35:33,190 is beyond America's ability to solve. 855 00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:35,261 It's a human problem, not an American problem 856 00:35:35,261 --> 00:35:36,998 or a Negro problem. 857 00:35:36,998 --> 00:35:39,236 And as a human problem or a world problem, 858 00:35:39,236 --> 00:35:42,042 we feel that it should be taken out of the jurisdiction 859 00:35:42,042 --> 00:35:43,544 of the United States government 860 00:35:43,544 --> 00:35:45,181 and taken into the United Nations, 861 00:35:45,181 --> 00:35:47,218 because not only are we denied the right 862 00:35:47,218 --> 00:35:49,189 to be a citizen in the United States, 863 00:35:49,189 --> 00:35:51,593 we're denied the right to be a human being. 864 00:35:54,733 --> 00:35:56,704 JAMAL: When I joined the Panther Party, 865 00:35:56,704 --> 00:35:59,643 the thing that attracted me the most was not ideology. 866 00:35:59,643 --> 00:36:02,148 I didn't realize what Black Panther ideology really was. 867 00:36:02,148 --> 00:36:03,919 I came 'cause I was mad, 868 00:36:03,919 --> 00:36:05,555 because they had killed Malcolm X. 869 00:36:05,555 --> 00:36:07,125 MAN: We saw a guy. 870 00:36:07,125 --> 00:36:08,995 He was shooting like a cowboy. 871 00:36:08,995 --> 00:36:10,598 ♪ Shot across the room ♪ 872 00:36:13,003 --> 00:36:15,575 ♪ And now the man No longer lives... ♪ 873 00:36:15,575 --> 00:36:17,112 JAMAL: They'd killed Martin Luther King. 874 00:36:17,112 --> 00:36:19,583 We are not giving in. 875 00:36:19,583 --> 00:36:20,585 (gunshots) 876 00:36:20,585 --> 00:36:22,222 (woman screams) 877 00:36:22,222 --> 00:36:24,159 MAN: Martin Luther King dedicated his life 878 00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:26,096 - to love and to justice. - (gunshot) 879 00:36:26,096 --> 00:36:27,665 JAMAL: They had killed the Kennedys. 880 00:36:27,665 --> 00:36:29,202 MAN: Get that gun! Get the gun! 881 00:36:29,202 --> 00:36:31,039 MALCOLM X: The Negro revolution. 882 00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:32,575 JAMAL: They radicalized a whole generation, 883 00:36:32,575 --> 00:36:34,279 and sparks were flying. 884 00:36:36,183 --> 00:36:38,554 MALCOLM X: Revolution is hostile. 885 00:36:38,554 --> 00:36:40,591 Revolution knows no compromise. 886 00:36:40,591 --> 00:36:44,566 JAMAL: And on TV is a story about the Panthers 887 00:36:44,566 --> 00:36:47,605 storming the state capital of Sacramento with guns. 888 00:36:47,605 --> 00:36:49,576 And Bobby Seale reads this manifesto. 889 00:36:49,576 --> 00:36:52,615 Take careful note of the racist California legislature 890 00:36:52,615 --> 00:36:54,686 which is now considering legislation 891 00:36:54,686 --> 00:36:56,623 aimed at keeping the Black people disarmed 892 00:36:56,623 --> 00:36:59,296 and powerless at the very same time 893 00:36:59,296 --> 00:37:01,935 racist police agencies throughout the country 894 00:37:01,935 --> 00:37:05,007 are intensifying the terror, brutality, murder, 895 00:37:05,007 --> 00:37:07,612 - and repression of Black people. - LEILA: This is a country 896 00:37:07,612 --> 00:37:09,182 where some people have the right 897 00:37:09,182 --> 00:37:11,286 to bear arms and some people don't. 898 00:37:11,286 --> 00:37:13,124 We were in the part of the population 899 00:37:13,124 --> 00:37:14,961 that wasn't allowed to bear arms. 900 00:37:14,961 --> 00:37:16,965 So seeing these people 901 00:37:16,965 --> 00:37:20,071 on the steps of the Capitol legally with these guns 902 00:37:20,071 --> 00:37:22,275 was a huge moment. 903 00:37:22,275 --> 00:37:25,114 My two friends and I find the address 904 00:37:25,114 --> 00:37:27,987 to the secret headquarters of the Black Panther Party. 905 00:37:27,987 --> 00:37:30,959 The Harlem Office, 2022 7th Avenue. 906 00:37:30,959 --> 00:37:32,930 If you remember those old-school stores 907 00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:34,666 that had a little indentation. 908 00:37:34,666 --> 00:37:37,238 And I saw this beautiful dark-skinned Black woman 909 00:37:37,238 --> 00:37:39,176 that was different... 910 00:37:39,176 --> 00:37:41,146 Afeni Shakur. 911 00:37:41,146 --> 00:37:44,921 Brown-skinned woman, short afro, the essence of African beauty. 912 00:37:44,921 --> 00:37:47,625 I looked at that sister, like, "Yo, if everybody is like this, 913 00:37:47,625 --> 00:37:49,062 I'm joining this." 914 00:37:49,062 --> 00:37:50,933 And that's straight up, bro. 915 00:37:50,933 --> 00:37:52,937 REPORTER: The most radical 916 00:37:52,937 --> 00:37:56,043 Black civil rights organization in this country's history. 917 00:37:56,043 --> 00:37:57,078 (music player stops) 918 00:38:01,286 --> 00:38:06,230 SHABA: Afeni... well, energetic, 919 00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:09,736 smart, quick wit, 920 00:38:09,736 --> 00:38:12,175 tolerated very little chauvinism. 921 00:38:12,175 --> 00:38:14,713 She was a very strong 922 00:38:14,713 --> 00:38:18,154 independent Black woman. 923 00:38:18,154 --> 00:38:20,424 And it was downright frightening to me, 924 00:38:20,424 --> 00:38:24,399 but intriguing at the same time. 925 00:38:24,399 --> 00:38:27,372 TUPAC: My mother had a high position in the Black Panther Party, 926 00:38:27,372 --> 00:38:29,176 which was like unheard of, 927 00:38:29,176 --> 00:38:31,146 because of course, there was sexism 928 00:38:31,146 --> 00:38:33,050 even in the Panthers. 929 00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:34,921 SHABA: When I got in the office, 930 00:38:34,921 --> 00:38:37,258 it was a feeling of exhilaration. 931 00:38:37,258 --> 00:38:40,933 Mesmerized by Afeni Shakur, to be quite honest with you. 932 00:38:40,933 --> 00:38:42,368 She was explaining what the Black Panther Party was, 933 00:38:42,368 --> 00:38:44,105 you know, the Ten-Point Program. 934 00:38:44,105 --> 00:38:45,708 MIKE WALLACE: The Ten-Point Program 935 00:38:45,708 --> 00:38:47,378 of the Panther Party forms the basis 936 00:38:47,378 --> 00:38:49,449 for almost everything they teach and do. 937 00:38:49,449 --> 00:38:53,090 I'm sitting in the back, and Afeni and Lumumba Shakur 938 00:38:53,090 --> 00:38:55,127 were running a political education class. 939 00:38:55,127 --> 00:38:57,398 We are disciples and students of Malcolm X. 940 00:38:57,398 --> 00:39:00,238 SHABA: Lumumba Shakur was a very interesting individual. 941 00:39:00,238 --> 00:39:02,742 He was doing what I wanted to do in the streets. 942 00:39:02,742 --> 00:39:04,412 He had two wives. 943 00:39:04,412 --> 00:39:06,016 LUMUMBA: Right on, brothers. Power to the people. 944 00:39:06,016 --> 00:39:07,151 Lumumba Shakur, Black Panther Party. 945 00:39:07,151 --> 00:39:09,022 SHABA: He was a king. 946 00:39:09,022 --> 00:39:10,191 - He was entitled to do that. - That's right. 947 00:39:10,191 --> 00:39:12,061 GLORIA: Yeah, Lumumba Shakur. 948 00:39:12,061 --> 00:39:15,034 I met Lumumba Shakur when Afeni said, 949 00:39:15,034 --> 00:39:17,405 "That's my husband." 950 00:39:17,405 --> 00:39:19,075 And then she said, 951 00:39:19,075 --> 00:39:21,380 "I'm gonna be his second wife." 952 00:39:21,380 --> 00:39:24,319 And then I was, like, "What?" 953 00:39:24,319 --> 00:39:27,225 But she had already taken the name Shakur 954 00:39:27,225 --> 00:39:29,129 because of the father. 955 00:39:29,129 --> 00:39:31,300 JAMAL: Lumumba's father was a prominent imam, 956 00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:34,272 head of one of the largest mosques in Philadelphia. 957 00:39:34,272 --> 00:39:36,443 BLOOD: Saladin. He was a merchant. 958 00:39:36,443 --> 00:39:38,414 He had a lot of land in Ghana. 959 00:39:38,414 --> 00:39:42,088 Very mild-mannered guy. And he educated his son. 960 00:39:42,088 --> 00:39:44,092 LUMUMBA: Genocide is being inflicted on our people. 961 00:39:44,092 --> 00:39:46,063 That's why I'm about to be extinct, 962 00:39:46,063 --> 00:39:48,400 and be like the American-Indian in a couple more years. 963 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,771 JAMAL: Lumumba Shakur was a gang leader, 964 00:39:50,771 --> 00:39:53,177 but Lumumba and his brother Zayd Shakur 965 00:39:53,177 --> 00:39:55,514 became revolutionary nationalists, 966 00:39:55,514 --> 00:39:57,285 and they brought with them a lot of revolutionary nationalists, 967 00:39:57,285 --> 00:39:59,256 and they became Panthers. 968 00:39:59,256 --> 00:40:02,462 Lumumba had a beard and a goatee, permanent shades. 969 00:40:02,462 --> 00:40:04,766 He looked like a-- Okay. 970 00:40:04,766 --> 00:40:06,470 He looked like, to me, 971 00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:09,309 a shorter guy than I would have thought she would have. 972 00:40:09,309 --> 00:40:12,148 But he was the most commanding person in the room. 973 00:40:12,148 --> 00:40:14,519 - He had a stutter. - Even the stuttering was fly. 974 00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:16,256 He wasn't cute. 975 00:40:16,256 --> 00:40:17,492 My role model, 976 00:40:17,492 --> 00:40:19,964 my image of what a man should be. 977 00:40:19,964 --> 00:40:23,103 And there were people in the movement who weren't related, 978 00:40:23,103 --> 00:40:24,539 who changed their last name to Shakur. 979 00:40:24,539 --> 00:40:26,510 That's how powerful the name was. 980 00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:30,284 Assata Shakur was one of those people, and Mutulu Shakur. 981 00:40:30,284 --> 00:40:32,221 TUPAC: My stepfather, Mutulu Shakur, 982 00:40:32,221 --> 00:40:35,094 was also like a well-known revolutionary. 983 00:40:35,094 --> 00:40:37,365 SHABA: He's a natural healer, to the extent that 984 00:40:37,365 --> 00:40:39,971 he learned the art of acupuncture 985 00:40:39,971 --> 00:40:42,208 to help communities detox. 986 00:40:42,208 --> 00:40:45,147 Colonial warfare, mental disorder. 987 00:40:45,147 --> 00:40:48,989 As colonized subjects, it's normal to have issues from oppression. 988 00:40:48,989 --> 00:40:50,358 JAMAL: People were fighting depression, 989 00:40:50,358 --> 00:40:52,528 homelessness, drug addiction. 990 00:40:52,528 --> 00:40:53,999 When I came out of Vietnam, 991 00:40:53,999 --> 00:40:55,368 my choice of drug was heroin. 992 00:40:55,368 --> 00:40:58,273 I snort that shit. I loved that shit. 993 00:40:58,273 --> 00:41:00,244 It's like PTSD, man. 994 00:41:00,244 --> 00:41:02,015 JAMAL: Hard drugs were forbidden 995 00:41:02,015 --> 00:41:03,450 in the Black Panther Party. 996 00:41:03,450 --> 00:41:06,223 In fact, they would go into dope spots, 997 00:41:06,223 --> 00:41:08,127 guns drawn, disarm the dealers, 998 00:41:08,127 --> 00:41:11,066 destroy the drugs, flush it down the sewer. 999 00:41:11,066 --> 00:41:13,037 So it was all that wrapped up in one 1000 00:41:13,037 --> 00:41:16,576 when the Shakurs were there in that Panther office. 1001 00:41:16,576 --> 00:41:18,514 Afeni was already a section leader, 1002 00:41:18,514 --> 00:41:20,484 which is a lieutenant in the Black Panther Party 1003 00:41:20,484 --> 00:41:22,321 on the frontline with rent strikes 1004 00:41:22,321 --> 00:41:24,225 and with school takeovers. 1005 00:41:24,225 --> 00:41:26,998 So watching the two of them run a meeting, 1006 00:41:26,998 --> 00:41:28,400 one of my friends leans over, he says, 1007 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,171 "Panthers is like the Mafia, man. 1008 00:41:30,171 --> 00:41:32,208 Once you join, there's no getting out." 1009 00:41:32,208 --> 00:41:34,980 And my other friend leans over and he goes, 1010 00:41:34,980 --> 00:41:37,051 "You know, you got to kill a White dude to be a Panther." 1011 00:41:37,051 --> 00:41:40,358 And I'm, like, "Kill somebody? I'm in the choir." 1012 00:41:40,358 --> 00:41:43,030 But I can't be a punk. I was like, "I don't care." 1013 00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:46,570 And big afro, skinny Jamal jumps up and goes, 1014 00:41:46,570 --> 00:41:50,211 "Choose me, brother. I'll kill a White dude right now." 1015 00:41:50,211 --> 00:41:52,014 The whole office gets quiet. 1016 00:41:52,014 --> 00:41:55,054 Lumumba calls me up, looks me up and down, 1017 00:41:55,054 --> 00:41:57,291 and reaches into the bottom drawer of the desk. 1018 00:41:57,291 --> 00:41:59,596 My heart's pounding. I was, like, 1019 00:41:59,596 --> 00:42:03,070 "He's gonna give me a big-ass gun. What I'ma do?" 1020 00:42:03,070 --> 00:42:05,441 And he hands me a stack of books. 1021 00:42:05,441 --> 00:42:07,045 And I said, "Excuse me, brother, 1022 00:42:07,045 --> 00:42:08,414 I thought you were gonna arm me." 1023 00:42:08,414 --> 00:42:10,051 And he says, "Excuse me, young brother, 1024 00:42:10,051 --> 00:42:11,486 I just did." 1025 00:42:11,486 --> 00:42:15,594 And Afeni Shakur comes up to me, 1026 00:42:15,594 --> 00:42:18,434 and she says, "I've got my eye on you." 1027 00:42:19,502 --> 00:42:21,139 Malcolm X. 1028 00:42:21,139 --> 00:42:23,210 AFENI: I worship the written word. 1029 00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:24,446 JAMAL: Mao Tse-tung. 1030 00:42:24,446 --> 00:42:27,085 AFENI: Anything written. 1031 00:42:27,085 --> 00:42:29,422 - JAMAL: Frantz Fanon. - AFENI: It's a way for us, 1032 00:42:29,422 --> 00:42:32,128 on our own, to get information. 1033 00:42:32,128 --> 00:42:33,230 JAMAL: Fidel Castro, History Will Absolve Me. 1034 00:42:33,230 --> 00:42:35,167 AFENI: Information. 1035 00:42:35,167 --> 00:42:36,336 JAMAL: I never even heard of political power 1036 00:42:36,336 --> 00:42:38,173 comes out a barrel of a gun. 1037 00:42:38,173 --> 00:42:39,375 That was a quotation from The Little Red Book 1038 00:42:39,375 --> 00:42:41,213 by Chairman Mao. 1039 00:42:41,213 --> 00:42:43,217 The gun aspect wasn't new to me. 1040 00:42:43,217 --> 00:42:46,223 What was new was understanding what that was for. 1041 00:42:46,223 --> 00:42:48,995 It was treated as a tool for liberation, not to disrupt, 1042 00:42:48,995 --> 00:42:51,133 not to rob, not to maim. 1043 00:42:51,133 --> 00:42:53,137 MIKE WALLACE: Whatever else the Panthers may teach, 1044 00:42:53,137 --> 00:42:55,074 they do not teach racism. 1045 00:42:55,074 --> 00:42:56,610 They do not teach Black supremacy. 1046 00:42:56,610 --> 00:42:59,182 They talk about the problems of all the poor. 1047 00:42:59,182 --> 00:43:00,484 SEALE: We don't hate nobody because of their color. 1048 00:43:00,484 --> 00:43:02,388 We hate oppression. 1049 00:43:02,388 --> 00:43:05,094 We hate murder of Black people in our communities. 1050 00:43:05,094 --> 00:43:08,133 We hate the gross unemployment that exists in our community. 1051 00:43:08,133 --> 00:43:12,175 We hate Black man being taken off into the military service, 1052 00:43:12,175 --> 00:43:14,112 to be fighting for racist, decadent Americans 1053 00:43:14,112 --> 00:43:15,581 promising us freedom. 1054 00:43:15,581 --> 00:43:17,518 In the Civil War, 186,000 Black men 1055 00:43:17,518 --> 00:43:19,456 fought in the military service, 1056 00:43:19,456 --> 00:43:21,326 and we were promised freedom, and we didn't get it. 1057 00:43:21,326 --> 00:43:24,065 In the World War, 350,000 Black men fought, 1058 00:43:24,065 --> 00:43:26,269 and we were promised freedom, and we didn't get it. 1059 00:43:26,269 --> 00:43:29,275 In World War II, 850,000 Black men fought, 1060 00:43:29,275 --> 00:43:31,413 and we were promised freedom, and we didn't get it. 1061 00:43:31,413 --> 00:43:33,317 In the Korean Conflict, 1062 00:43:33,317 --> 00:43:35,120 we fought there, and we didn't get it. 1063 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,556 Now here we go with the damn Vietnam War, 1064 00:43:36,556 --> 00:43:38,427 and we still ain't getting nothing 1065 00:43:38,427 --> 00:43:40,498 but racist police brutality, et cetera. 1066 00:43:40,498 --> 00:43:43,237 JAMAL: Panthers will say racism is a byproduct of capitalism, 1067 00:43:43,237 --> 00:43:46,042 recognizing that there are more White people on welfare 1068 00:43:46,042 --> 00:43:48,280 than Black folks. And if you can organize, 1069 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,019 then you are dealing with true change 1070 00:43:51,019 --> 00:43:52,555 and a true rainbow alliance. 1071 00:43:52,555 --> 00:43:54,425 We're talking about class warfare. 1072 00:43:54,425 --> 00:43:57,431 ♪ I couldn't settle For being a statistic ♪ 1073 00:43:57,431 --> 00:44:00,237 ♪ Couldn't survive in this Capitalistic government ♪ 1074 00:44:00,237 --> 00:44:02,074 ♪ Because it was meant To hold us back ♪ 1075 00:44:02,074 --> 00:44:04,312 ♪ Using ignorance, Drugs to sneak attack ♪ 1076 00:44:04,312 --> 00:44:06,316 ♪ In my community, They killed the unity ♪ 1077 00:44:06,316 --> 00:44:08,487 ♪ But when I charged them Tried to claim immunity ♪ 1078 00:44:08,487 --> 00:44:10,791 ♪ I strike America Like a case of heart disease ♪ 1079 00:44:10,791 --> 00:44:13,197 ♪ Panther power is running Through my arteries ♪ 1080 00:44:13,197 --> 00:44:14,532 ♪ Panther power... ♪ 1081 00:44:14,532 --> 00:44:16,336 LEILA: And in 1989, 1082 00:44:16,336 --> 00:44:19,008 Tupac was getting really popular, 1083 00:44:19,008 --> 00:44:21,213 and everyone loved Tupac. 1084 00:44:22,281 --> 00:44:23,584 ♪ Panther power... ♪ 1085 00:44:23,584 --> 00:44:25,321 LEILA: We were throwing parties. 1086 00:44:25,321 --> 00:44:28,026 There'd be 500 people, 2,000 people. 1087 00:44:28,026 --> 00:44:29,696 ♪ Panther power... ♪ 1088 00:44:29,696 --> 00:44:32,468 LEILA: Then I had an event Atron was actually at. 1089 00:44:32,468 --> 00:44:34,405 And he was, like, 1090 00:44:34,405 --> 00:44:36,576 - "Hmm, here's my card." - ATRON: Energy. 1091 00:44:36,576 --> 00:44:39,082 The intensity of his eyes and the vibe. 1092 00:44:39,082 --> 00:44:41,353 I saw energy. 1093 00:44:41,353 --> 00:44:44,092 ♪ Try to stop me ♪ Oh, boy you'll be clawed to death ♪ 1094 00:44:44,092 --> 00:44:46,296 ♪ 'Cause I'll be fighting for my freedom With my dying breath ♪ 1095 00:44:46,296 --> 00:44:48,467 ♪ Do you remember? That's what I'm asking you ♪ 1096 00:44:48,467 --> 00:44:50,604 ♪ You think you living free? Don't make me laugh at you ♪ 1097 00:44:50,604 --> 00:44:53,343 ♪ Open your eyes, realize You've been locked in chains ♪ 1098 00:44:53,343 --> 00:44:55,447 ♪ Said you wasn't civilized And stole your name ♪ 1099 00:44:55,447 --> 00:44:57,785 ♪ Some time has passed Seems you all forget ♪ 1100 00:44:57,785 --> 00:44:59,489 ♪ There ain't no liberty For you and me ♪ 1101 00:44:59,489 --> 00:45:01,226 ♪ We ain't free yet Panther power ♪ 1102 00:45:01,226 --> 00:45:03,163 ATRON: You know, looking back, 1103 00:45:03,163 --> 00:45:04,299 he has one of the most unique voices in hip-hop. 1104 00:45:04,299 --> 00:45:05,601 But I went out and shopped 1105 00:45:05,601 --> 00:45:07,572 Tupac to every company I knew, 1106 00:45:07,572 --> 00:45:09,275 and every company I could, and everyone turned us down. 1107 00:45:09,275 --> 00:45:10,644 ♪ Panther power ♪ 1108 00:45:10,644 --> 00:45:15,354 He said, "Look, if I don't get a deal, 1109 00:45:15,354 --> 00:45:18,427 then I'm gonna go be the chairman of the New Afrikan Panthers." 1110 00:45:18,427 --> 00:45:20,564 And I'm, like, "The New Afrikan Panthers? What's this?" 1111 00:45:37,164 --> 00:45:38,868 ATRON: Tupac understood his audience. 1112 00:45:38,868 --> 00:45:41,406 He was reading music business books 1113 00:45:41,406 --> 00:45:44,279 prior to getting a deal, just trying to understand 1114 00:45:44,279 --> 00:45:46,816 where things were with the business. 1115 00:45:46,816 --> 00:45:48,820 And with Tupac, there was kind of two sides. 1116 00:45:48,820 --> 00:45:50,457 A lot of people like to say he was a Gemini. 1117 00:45:50,457 --> 00:45:52,328 He was this, but he also 1118 00:45:52,328 --> 00:45:53,865 came from a family of Panthers. 1119 00:45:53,865 --> 00:45:57,238 So there was a constant tug and pull 1120 00:45:57,238 --> 00:45:59,709 of just wanting to be an artist 1121 00:45:59,709 --> 00:46:01,813 and having to be this person 1122 00:46:01,813 --> 00:46:03,684 who I think 1123 00:46:03,684 --> 00:46:06,222 would've ended up being a politician or activist. 1124 00:46:06,222 --> 00:46:09,462 But at that time, I didn't have a real relationship 1125 00:46:09,462 --> 00:46:12,435 with Tupac as related to his history 1126 00:46:12,435 --> 00:46:14,439 of his mother being in the Panthers 1127 00:46:14,439 --> 00:46:17,178 and how most of his mentors were in jail. 1128 00:46:17,178 --> 00:46:18,848 He never mentioned his mother to me. 1129 00:46:18,848 --> 00:46:20,217 His family was leaded. 1130 00:46:53,383 --> 00:46:55,220 LEILA: Tupac was born 1131 00:46:55,220 --> 00:46:58,393 into a family that required him 1132 00:46:58,393 --> 00:47:00,230 to be a leader, 1133 00:47:00,230 --> 00:47:02,301 and there was a real plan for Tupac. 1134 00:47:02,301 --> 00:47:03,905 He was gonna be, you know, 1135 00:47:03,905 --> 00:47:06,743 the chairman of the New Afrikan Panther Party, 1136 00:47:06,743 --> 00:47:08,881 which was a continuation 1137 00:47:08,881 --> 00:47:10,484 of the Black Panthers. 1138 00:47:12,388 --> 00:47:14,225 MAN: Now, how long have you been 1139 00:47:14,225 --> 00:47:15,794 national chairman of the New Afrikan Panthers? 1140 00:47:15,794 --> 00:47:17,498 TUPAC: I was... (chuckling) matter of fact, 1141 00:47:17,498 --> 00:47:19,235 - about, what, a week. - MAN: A week? 1142 00:47:19,235 --> 00:47:20,237 TUPAC: We had a central committee meeting. 1143 00:47:20,237 --> 00:47:21,773 We had representatives 1144 00:47:21,773 --> 00:47:23,845 from Los Angeles and Atlanta 1145 00:47:23,845 --> 00:47:25,714 and, uh, Mississippi 1146 00:47:25,714 --> 00:47:27,986 and New York, and we just had a vote. 1147 00:47:27,986 --> 00:47:29,722 WATANI: Pac was always an artist. 1148 00:47:29,722 --> 00:47:30,859 Particularly, he was a wordsmith, 1149 00:47:30,859 --> 00:47:32,261 one of the best I knew at that. 1150 00:47:32,261 --> 00:47:34,265 And so that was part of Tupac's 1151 00:47:34,265 --> 00:47:35,801 and young people's job 1152 00:47:35,801 --> 00:47:38,440 was to be griots, or use their art form 1153 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,778 to talk about our movement. 1154 00:47:40,778 --> 00:47:42,415 TUPAC: It is my duty to be one 1155 00:47:42,415 --> 00:47:45,254 of many spokesmen, spokespersons. 1156 00:47:45,254 --> 00:47:48,260 And because right now, it is almost impossible 1157 00:47:48,260 --> 00:47:50,831 for you not to see how strong rap has gotten, 1158 00:47:50,831 --> 00:47:52,869 'cause our youth and some of our adults, 1159 00:47:52,869 --> 00:47:55,707 their ear is pinned to rap music right now. 1160 00:47:55,707 --> 00:47:57,445 And if you really want to get our message out, 1161 00:47:57,445 --> 00:47:59,715 we really need to start using our method, 1162 00:47:59,715 --> 00:48:01,419 you know what I'm saying? Even in our history, 1163 00:48:01,419 --> 00:48:03,290 poets went from village to village, 1164 00:48:03,290 --> 00:48:05,694 and that's how stories of lessons were taught. 1165 00:48:05,694 --> 00:48:09,702 But, uh, history repeats itself, and it's time to realize 1166 00:48:09,702 --> 00:48:12,708 that everything is not okay in America, you know, to get angry, you know, 1167 00:48:12,708 --> 00:48:14,712 and not angry and pick up their gun 1168 00:48:14,712 --> 00:48:16,816 but to start opening our minds, you know what I'm saying, 1169 00:48:16,816 --> 00:48:17,919 and stop sleeping. 1170 00:48:37,792 --> 00:48:40,731 JAMAL: Two of the most valuable lessons I learned in the Black Panther Party 1171 00:48:40,731 --> 00:48:42,468 came from Afeni Shakur. 1172 00:48:42,468 --> 00:48:45,741 She says, "Freedom is an abstract idea to folk. 1173 00:48:45,741 --> 00:48:48,313 To someone who is hungry, it's the meal. 1174 00:48:48,313 --> 00:48:51,352 To someone who doesn't have a place to stay, 1175 00:48:51,352 --> 00:48:53,723 it's a warm, safe place to sleep. 1176 00:48:53,723 --> 00:48:55,394 For the sick, it's medical care 1177 00:48:55,394 --> 00:48:57,765 from someone who cares." 1178 00:48:57,765 --> 00:48:59,735 One of my first days in the party, 1179 00:48:59,735 --> 00:49:01,773 a young mother comes in carrying her little girl, 1180 00:49:01,773 --> 00:49:03,777 who was crying and trembling. 1181 00:49:03,777 --> 00:49:05,882 She explains that her daughter has sickle cell anemia 1182 00:49:05,882 --> 00:49:08,353 and that she had taken her to Harlem Hospital, 1183 00:49:08,353 --> 00:49:10,757 and that they said that all she had was a cold, 1184 00:49:10,757 --> 00:49:12,761 that it was psychosomatic. 1185 00:49:12,761 --> 00:49:15,400 So Lumumba and Afeni marched to Harlem Hospital, 1186 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,505 holding this girl. 1187 00:49:17,505 --> 00:49:19,910 And Afeni said, "You treat this young sister right now, 1188 00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:23,483 or there's gonna be a psychosomatic riot in your emergency room." 1189 00:49:23,483 --> 00:49:25,354 But Afeni didn't leave it alone at that. 1190 00:49:25,354 --> 00:49:27,024 She formed a relationship 1191 00:49:27,024 --> 00:49:28,961 with a couple of the doctors and nurses, 1192 00:49:28,961 --> 00:49:31,934 and we would rally together outside the hospital, 1193 00:49:31,934 --> 00:49:34,038 demanding that they treat the needs of the people, 1194 00:49:34,038 --> 00:49:36,109 whether they had insurance or not. 1195 00:49:36,109 --> 00:49:38,915 And then especially Lincoln Hospital 1196 00:49:38,915 --> 00:49:43,390 became the place where Panthers and the Young Lords 1197 00:49:43,390 --> 00:49:45,827 started doing these takeovers. 1198 00:49:45,827 --> 00:49:47,831 "Come get tested, come get treated." 1199 00:49:47,831 --> 00:49:50,939 And they wrote the first Patient Bill of Rights, 1200 00:49:50,939 --> 00:49:53,710 the foundational document for what we see 1201 00:49:53,710 --> 00:49:55,714 in every hospital room now, 1202 00:49:55,714 --> 00:49:57,518 where a patient has a right to be treated, 1203 00:49:57,518 --> 00:49:59,722 a right to medical care whether they have money or not. 1204 00:49:59,722 --> 00:50:01,526 That was the work of Afeni Shakur, 1205 00:50:01,526 --> 00:50:03,396 Doc Dawkins, Cleo Silvers, 1206 00:50:03,396 --> 00:50:04,799 the Panthers, and the Lords. 1207 00:50:07,438 --> 00:50:09,877 GLORIA: I am in awe of my sister. 1208 00:50:09,877 --> 00:50:13,149 She either started the shit or got in the shit 1209 00:50:13,149 --> 00:50:14,819 that was already started. 1210 00:50:16,522 --> 00:50:19,729 WATANI: If she agreed to do something, 1211 00:50:19,729 --> 00:50:22,969 it was done, thoroughly. 1212 00:50:22,969 --> 00:50:25,975 So, what that made you do being in her company, 1213 00:50:25,975 --> 00:50:28,948 either step up or step off. 1214 00:50:28,948 --> 00:50:31,819 Her son, same thing. 1215 00:50:31,819 --> 00:50:34,993 It's the same type of spirit that they had. 1216 00:50:34,993 --> 00:50:38,968 WATANI: Both charismatic, both took charge of a room, 1217 00:50:38,968 --> 00:50:41,739 both intelligent, articulate, argumentative, 1218 00:50:41,739 --> 00:50:44,111 you know, so there was a lot of Afeni there in Pac. 1219 00:50:44,111 --> 00:50:46,449 LEILA: Tupac has the biggest heart 1220 00:50:46,449 --> 00:50:48,520 of anyone that I've known. 1221 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,858 He was different than anybody. 1222 00:50:50,858 --> 00:50:53,496 I mean, he was the Marvin Gaye of rap. 1223 00:50:53,496 --> 00:50:56,870 And I thought I was not managing an artist 1224 00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:58,640 but a campaign, 1225 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,981 because to me, Tupac was always running for office. 1226 00:51:01,981 --> 00:51:04,853 It was always about critical mass. 1227 00:51:04,853 --> 00:51:08,995 So he was gonna go chair the New Afrikan Panther Party 1228 00:51:08,995 --> 00:51:11,867 unless he got a deal immediately 1229 00:51:11,867 --> 00:51:14,906 because that would be a faster path 1230 00:51:14,906 --> 00:51:17,011 to access what he needed. 1231 00:51:17,011 --> 00:51:20,217 And Atron was managing a group in the Bay Area. 1232 00:51:20,217 --> 00:51:22,154 TUPAC: Who's that? 1233 00:51:22,154 --> 00:51:24,792 LEILA: So he set up a meeting for us to see them. 1234 00:51:24,792 --> 00:51:27,498 TUPAC: He's in the bathroom. Let's go see who it is. 1235 00:51:27,498 --> 00:51:31,839 Oh, shit. My nigga Shocka laka, laka, laka, laka. 1236 00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:33,510 Simply trying to get the fade together here, 1237 00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:36,182 - I mean... (indistinct) - (Tupac laughing) 1238 00:51:36,182 --> 00:51:38,219 Y'all wanna see me take a shit, too? 1239 00:51:38,219 --> 00:51:39,488 - Come on, take a shit. - TUPAC: Uh-oh. This is 1240 00:51:39,488 --> 00:51:41,059 Shocka laka, laka, laka, laka... 1241 00:51:41,059 --> 00:51:42,061 - taking a shit. - SHOCK G: Taking a shit. 1242 00:51:42,061 --> 00:51:43,864 (Tupac laughing) 1243 00:51:50,650 --> 00:51:51,774 MAN: Have you ever performed 1244 00:51:51,774 --> 00:51:54,819 what, uh, people call "gangsta rap"? 1245 00:51:54,819 --> 00:51:56,656 - TUPAC: No. - MAN: Oh. 1246 00:51:56,656 --> 00:51:58,026 MAN: Have you heard the term? 1247 00:51:58,026 --> 00:51:59,930 - A lot. - MAN: Okay. 1248 00:51:59,930 --> 00:52:01,799 - A lot. - MAN: Well, what do you understand 1249 00:52:01,799 --> 00:52:03,036 the term to mean? 1250 00:52:04,705 --> 00:52:06,609 I understand it to be... 1251 00:52:08,780 --> 00:52:10,885 a category that mostly 1252 00:52:10,885 --> 00:52:13,657 what I've seen the media 1253 00:52:13,657 --> 00:52:16,663 and people outside the rap world classify 1254 00:52:16,663 --> 00:52:19,035 as any music other than party music. 1255 00:52:19,035 --> 00:52:21,907 - MAN: Okay. Now, Digital Underground... - (funky music plays, stops) 1256 00:52:21,907 --> 00:52:24,178 - ...what kind of music did they perform? - (funky music plays, stops) 1257 00:52:24,178 --> 00:52:27,117 - They... - MAN: Digital Underground. 1258 00:52:27,117 --> 00:52:29,121 Party music. Strictly party music. 1259 00:52:29,121 --> 00:52:34,065 ANNOUNCER: Digital Underground! 1260 00:52:34,065 --> 00:52:36,803 ♪ All right, stop whatcha doin' 'Cause I'm about to ruin ♪ 1261 00:52:36,803 --> 00:52:39,008 ♪ The image and the style That you're used to... ♪ 1262 00:52:39,008 --> 00:52:41,179 (laughing) 1263 00:52:41,179 --> 00:52:42,781 Strictly party music. 1264 00:52:43,984 --> 00:52:45,687 MONEY B: Digital Underground 1265 00:52:45,687 --> 00:52:46,689 consisted of Shock G, 1266 00:52:46,689 --> 00:52:48,827 Chopmaster J, DJ Fuze, 1267 00:52:48,827 --> 00:52:51,099 - Money B, and of course... - SCHMOOV: What's up, y'all? 1268 00:52:51,099 --> 00:52:52,936 "Schmoov" Eddie Humphrey in the house. 1269 00:52:52,936 --> 00:52:54,940 ♪ The Humpty Dance ♪ 1270 00:52:54,940 --> 00:52:56,576 ♪ Is your chance To do the hump... ♪ 1271 00:52:56,576 --> 00:52:58,613 Hold up, though, hold up. 1272 00:52:58,613 --> 00:52:59,815 ATRON: Shock G was the mastermind 1273 00:52:59,815 --> 00:53:01,219 behind Digital Underground. 1274 00:53:01,219 --> 00:53:03,690 Fly, my nigga there. Look at that nigga. 1275 00:53:03,690 --> 00:53:05,093 ATRON: He came up with the concept, produced the music, and... 1276 00:53:05,093 --> 00:53:06,829 ♪ I once got busy ♪ 1277 00:53:06,829 --> 00:53:08,099 ♪ In a Burger King bathroom ♪ 1278 00:53:08,099 --> 00:53:10,036 ...literally a musical genius. 1279 00:53:10,036 --> 00:53:13,710 And the only hip-hop producer ever on a Prince record. 1280 00:53:13,710 --> 00:53:15,080 - MAN: Which record was it? - I don't remember. (laughs) 1281 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,584 ♪ Come here, are ya ticklish? ♪ 1282 00:53:17,584 --> 00:53:18,954 ♪ Yeah, I called ya fat Look at me, I'm skinny ♪ 1283 00:53:18,954 --> 00:53:20,624 Shock, how was that? 1284 00:53:20,624 --> 00:53:22,996 I like the first one a little bit better. 1285 00:53:22,996 --> 00:53:24,231 MONEY B: This is right when we were finishing "The Humpty Dance." 1286 00:53:24,231 --> 00:53:26,736 SHOCK G: I'm at the mixing board. 1287 00:53:26,736 --> 00:53:29,108 All the sudden, H and, uh, Leila send this kid to the studio. 1288 00:53:29,108 --> 00:53:32,147 "Shock G, what's up? I'm Tupac. Do you want me to rhyme now?" 1289 00:53:32,147 --> 00:53:34,018 I was, like, "Damn, this guy's intense." 1290 00:53:34,018 --> 00:53:35,720 You know? He didn't wanna chill. 1291 00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:38,126 ("Static Mix 2" playing) 1292 00:53:48,646 --> 00:53:50,617 ATRON: Digital was getting ready to go out on the road, 1293 00:53:50,617 --> 00:53:52,020 and I said, "If we don't do something with Pac, 1294 00:53:52,020 --> 00:53:54,725 he's gonna leave." Shock said... 1295 00:53:54,725 --> 00:53:57,631 SHOCK G: "Damn, well, we don't really need any more rappers. 1296 00:53:57,631 --> 00:53:59,870 You know, we could always use a roadie. 1297 00:53:59,870 --> 00:54:01,672 We can always use a dancer." 1298 00:54:01,672 --> 00:54:03,209 Pac was, like, "Anything. 1299 00:54:03,209 --> 00:54:05,080 I just wanna get out of here before I go crazy." 1300 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,649 MONEY B: He was stressed. His mom was on crack, 1301 00:54:06,649 --> 00:54:08,686 he got a little sister, 1302 00:54:08,686 --> 00:54:10,223 and he didn't know where his next meal was coming from. 1303 00:54:10,223 --> 00:54:12,795 But he knew he was a star from day one. 1304 00:54:12,795 --> 00:54:15,767 This all had happened the same time the earthquake happened. 1305 00:54:15,767 --> 00:54:17,671 (rumbling) 1306 00:54:17,671 --> 00:54:19,108 And so everyone was going crazy, 1307 00:54:19,108 --> 00:54:21,646 and "The Humpty Dance" just came about that way. 1308 00:54:21,646 --> 00:54:23,616 (baby wailing) 1309 00:54:23,616 --> 00:54:25,787 (" The Humpty Dance" by Digital Underground playing) 1310 00:54:25,787 --> 00:54:28,359 ♪ Shaking and twitching Kinda like I was smoking ♪ 1311 00:54:28,359 --> 00:54:30,630 ♪ Crazy, whack, funky, People say ♪ 1312 00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:33,036 ♪ "You look like M. C. Hammer On crack, Humpty" ♪ 1313 00:54:33,036 --> 00:54:35,106 SHOCK G: " The Humpty Dance" threw us around the world immediately. 1314 00:54:35,106 --> 00:54:36,977 So being that we were so large, 1315 00:54:36,977 --> 00:54:38,346 you can only expect people to play into it. 1316 00:54:38,346 --> 00:54:39,916 But it was beyond that with Tupac. 1317 00:54:39,916 --> 00:54:41,786 The very first day 1318 00:54:41,786 --> 00:54:43,122 of his very first tour, the soundman was fucking up 1319 00:54:43,122 --> 00:54:45,093 our music, and Tupac swings on him. 1320 00:54:45,093 --> 00:54:47,798 Luckily, Atron was there to catch him. 1321 00:54:47,798 --> 00:54:49,702 But damn, he was, like, "I'm gonna show these guys. 1322 00:54:49,702 --> 00:54:50,804 I'm gonna knock this motherfucker out for y'all." 1323 00:54:50,804 --> 00:54:52,074 ♪ Gather round ♪ 1324 00:54:52,074 --> 00:54:54,078 ♪ I'm the new fool in town ♪ 1325 00:54:54,078 --> 00:54:56,048 ♪ And my sound's laid down By the Underground... ♪ 1326 00:54:56,048 --> 00:54:58,686 SHOCK G: He was very loyal. He wanted to please. 1327 00:54:58,686 --> 00:55:01,125 He rolled in, he'd load the bus, he carried the equipment. 1328 00:55:01,125 --> 00:55:02,929 And it was never no flak with him. 1329 00:55:02,929 --> 00:55:04,798 CHOPMASTER J: Tupac knew the magic words, 1330 00:55:04,798 --> 00:55:06,702 because he understood making himself of service. 1331 00:55:06,702 --> 00:55:10,076 "Chop, what can I do to help so that I can be put on?" 1332 00:55:10,076 --> 00:55:11,980 ♪ Oh, do me, baby ♪ 1333 00:55:14,018 --> 00:55:15,420 SHOCK G: He moved up through the ranks 1334 00:55:15,420 --> 00:55:16,822 of Digital Underground quickly. 1335 00:55:16,822 --> 00:55:18,726 Earned our respect. 1336 00:55:18,726 --> 00:55:20,697 That's why Pac wound up on "Same Song." 1337 00:55:20,697 --> 00:55:21,867 ♪ Now I clown around When I hang around ♪ 1338 00:55:21,867 --> 00:55:24,104 ♪ With my Underground ♪ 1339 00:55:24,104 --> 00:55:26,008 ♪ Girls use to frown, Say I'm down When I come round ♪ 1340 00:55:26,008 --> 00:55:28,079 ♪ Gas me, and when they pass me They use to diss me ♪ 1341 00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:30,383 ♪ Harass me, but now they Ask me if they can kiss me ♪ 1342 00:55:30,383 --> 00:55:32,721 ♪ Get some fame, people change Wanna live they life high ♪ 1343 00:55:32,721 --> 00:55:35,093 ♪ Same song can't go wrong If I play the nice guy ♪ 1344 00:55:35,093 --> 00:55:37,866 ♪ Claiming fame, Must have changed, Now that we became strong ♪ 1345 00:55:37,866 --> 00:55:39,235 - ♪ I remain still the same ♪ - ♪ Why Tu? ♪ 1346 00:55:39,235 --> 00:55:40,905 ♪ 'Cause it's the same song ♪ 1347 00:55:40,905 --> 00:55:43,176 TUPAC: Shock G made sure people saw me 1348 00:55:43,176 --> 00:55:46,749 as a member of the group and not the posse, and because he did that, 1349 00:55:46,749 --> 00:55:49,421 it gave me a courage and a confidence to really just do what I want. 1350 00:55:49,421 --> 00:55:52,027 That's the best thing one human being could do for another one. 1351 00:55:52,027 --> 00:55:56,168 SHOCK G: The hardest-working man in hip-hop, hands down. 1352 00:55:56,168 --> 00:55:59,742 At the time in '91, we were on tour constantly. 1353 00:55:59,742 --> 00:56:04,118 Most of our visual memories of Tupac is with a pen and pad. 1354 00:56:04,118 --> 00:56:06,155 His hotel room looked like a bomb went off. 1355 00:56:06,155 --> 00:56:08,159 Blunt scrapings on every counter. 1356 00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:10,130 He just wasn't thinking about that mundane shit. 1357 00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:12,000 Always writing. 1358 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,436 ATRON: He wanted to be the best he could be, 1359 00:56:13,436 --> 00:56:14,772 he wanted to be number one. 1360 00:56:14,772 --> 00:56:16,309 Sometimes in the morning, 1361 00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:18,446 Tupac would've read two papers, a book, 1362 00:56:18,446 --> 00:56:20,183 listened to two records, 1363 00:56:20,183 --> 00:56:22,054 watched a movie by 8:00, 9:00 in the morning, 1364 00:56:22,054 --> 00:56:24,458 and probably smoked a half-ounce of weed. 1365 00:56:24,458 --> 00:56:27,764 How else do you become number one than studying people at the top? 1366 00:56:27,764 --> 00:56:30,770 MONEY B: Hip-hop was changing with N. W. A. 1367 00:56:30,770 --> 00:56:35,180 The aggressive, hardcore mentality was more glorified. 1368 00:56:35,180 --> 00:56:37,751 But every morning, 1369 00:56:37,751 --> 00:56:40,056 Tupac would always be in the back of the tour bus... 1370 00:56:41,860 --> 00:56:43,897 in his feelings, like a ritual... 1371 00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:48,106 blasting some Mariah Carey. 1372 00:56:48,106 --> 00:56:50,043 "Visions of Love." 1373 00:56:50,043 --> 00:56:52,781 And he's trying to explain what it means. 1374 00:56:52,781 --> 00:56:54,485 And he's, like, "You don't understand, This is Mariah Carey." 1375 00:56:54,485 --> 00:56:56,489 ATRON: He listened to all types of music 1376 00:56:56,489 --> 00:56:58,259 that were on the charts, and say, "What are they doing?" 1377 00:56:58,259 --> 00:57:00,497 What are their lyrics? What is their sound?" 1378 00:57:00,497 --> 00:57:02,501 And I know that him and Leila worked on a plan. 1379 00:57:02,501 --> 00:57:05,106 Tupac wanted to seduce the children 1380 00:57:05,106 --> 00:57:06,475 of White America. 1381 00:57:06,475 --> 00:57:08,079 TUPAC: I had a whole energy 1382 00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:10,050 that represents not just Black youth, 1383 00:57:10,050 --> 00:57:12,054 but White youth, Mexican youth-- youth. 1384 00:57:12,054 --> 00:57:15,126 LEILA: He felt strongly that in order to make shifts, 1385 00:57:15,126 --> 00:57:16,863 we had to do it together. 1386 00:57:16,863 --> 00:57:19,970 It was soft, but let me give him credit. 1387 00:57:19,970 --> 00:57:22,808 He had his vulnerable side, or whatever you wanna call it, 1388 00:57:22,808 --> 00:57:24,812 and he wasn't afraid to show it. 1389 00:57:24,812 --> 00:57:25,982 And we were actually in New York 1390 00:57:25,982 --> 00:57:27,952 when a script was given to me 1391 00:57:27,952 --> 00:57:29,521 to audition for this movie, Juice. 1392 00:57:29,521 --> 00:57:31,525 This is, like, the making-of. 1393 00:57:31,525 --> 00:57:33,830 Hey, the making-of. 1394 00:57:33,830 --> 00:57:37,270 Now, little do y'all know, it's all a bluff. 1395 00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:39,541 I don't know how the script was given to me, 'cause I'm not an actor. 1396 00:57:39,541 --> 00:57:41,212 Like, I didn't know how to cry or anything. 1397 00:57:41,212 --> 00:57:43,483 I'm shaking, I'm nervous as fuck. 1398 00:57:43,483 --> 00:57:44,551 But as I'm reading the script, this character, Bishop, 1399 00:57:44,551 --> 00:57:46,288 reminds me of Tupac. 1400 00:57:46,288 --> 00:57:48,226 And I was, like, "You should read for this." 1401 00:57:48,226 --> 00:57:50,130 So Tupac goes in the room. 1402 00:57:50,130 --> 00:57:52,834 And now Tupac is killing it. You can hear claps and shit. 1403 00:57:52,834 --> 00:57:55,240 We run from Radames. We run from security guards. 1404 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,513 We run from old man Quiles in this fucking bullshit store 1405 00:57:58,513 --> 00:58:01,152 when he come with that bullshit gun! 1406 00:58:01,152 --> 00:58:03,122 All we do is fucking run! 1407 00:58:03,122 --> 00:58:05,060 I feel like I'm on a goddamn track team. 1408 00:58:05,060 --> 00:58:07,064 ATRON: He was probably at his happiest place. 1409 00:58:07,064 --> 00:58:09,168 MAN: That was the time of his life. 1410 00:58:09,168 --> 00:58:11,005 And then I get a call that there's a hot 1411 00:58:11,005 --> 00:58:13,276 new artist-friendly label named Interscope 1412 00:58:13,276 --> 00:58:15,180 that want to make a deal with us. 1413 00:58:15,180 --> 00:58:17,885 He was over-the-moon excited. 1414 00:58:17,885 --> 00:58:20,557 But I made him open a bank account. 1415 00:58:20,557 --> 00:58:23,997 The police saw him walking across the street 1416 00:58:23,997 --> 00:58:27,003 to go get some money out of the bank. 1417 00:58:27,003 --> 00:58:28,573 REPORTER: Shakur admitted jaywalking 1418 00:58:28,573 --> 00:58:31,078 in downtown Oakland, October 17th, 1419 00:58:31,078 --> 00:58:33,917 and also arguing with the officers, even using profanity. 1420 00:58:33,917 --> 00:58:36,188 But he said his treatment didn't fit the crime. 1421 00:58:36,188 --> 00:58:38,593 I think they used a little bit too much force, because, I mean, 1422 00:58:38,593 --> 00:58:41,900 he was already handcuffed, and they were still hitting him. 1423 00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:43,971 ATRON: Another change. 1424 00:58:43,971 --> 00:58:47,879 This is a point when he became a television activist. 1425 00:58:52,521 --> 00:58:54,258 MAN: Could you spell your name for the record 1426 00:58:54,258 --> 00:58:55,593 so we know that it's T-U-P-A-C? 1427 00:58:55,593 --> 00:58:58,332 TUPAC: Yes. Tupac. 1428 00:58:58,332 --> 00:58:59,501 MAN: Family name? 1429 00:58:59,501 --> 00:59:02,641 Shakur. S-H-A-K-U-R. 1430 00:59:02,641 --> 00:59:04,378 Shakur. 1431 00:59:04,378 --> 00:59:06,048 KAREN: Tupac always knew 1432 00:59:06,048 --> 00:59:08,519 that his name would draw attention, 1433 00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:10,623 but this was the first time 1434 00:59:10,623 --> 00:59:14,598 I think he had been physically... 1435 00:59:14,598 --> 00:59:17,537 abused that way. 1436 00:59:17,537 --> 00:59:20,543 He was irate. 1437 00:59:20,543 --> 00:59:24,518 Afeni was in rehab in Connecticut. 1438 00:59:24,518 --> 00:59:26,655 He said, "I need for her to get better, 'cause I need her." 1439 00:59:26,655 --> 00:59:28,659 I remember him saying specifically that, 1440 00:59:28,659 --> 00:59:31,599 "I need for her to get better, 'cause I need her." 1441 00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:33,536 RYAN: Yeah, the police messed him up. 1442 00:59:33,536 --> 00:59:36,642 He had knots on his head. He got messed up. 1443 00:59:36,642 --> 00:59:38,713 That's why he had to cut his hair off. 1444 00:59:38,713 --> 00:59:40,683 KAREN: He got alopecia. 1445 00:59:40,683 --> 00:59:42,521 And that's when he started shaving his head, 1446 00:59:42,521 --> 00:59:45,026 because the hair wasn't coming back in. 1447 00:59:45,026 --> 00:59:48,566 So that showed us that there was something going on internally 1448 00:59:48,566 --> 00:59:50,537 that he just wasn't talking about. 1449 00:59:50,537 --> 00:59:52,607 And Afeni called me, 1450 00:59:52,607 --> 00:59:57,952 concerned how was her past gonna affect his future? 1451 00:59:57,952 --> 01:00:01,392 AFENI: He came here the son of a radical. 1452 01:00:01,392 --> 01:00:04,498 This country does not look kindly on those people. 1453 01:00:04,498 --> 01:00:06,569 REPORTER: In Oakland today, 1454 01:00:06,569 --> 01:00:08,673 a Black musician filed a $10 million claim 1455 01:00:08,673 --> 01:00:10,577 against two White police officers, 1456 01:00:10,577 --> 01:00:13,382 saying they assaulted him physically and verbally 1457 01:00:13,382 --> 01:00:15,653 after arresting him for jaywalking. 1458 01:00:15,653 --> 01:00:18,359 Tupac Shakur is a member of the popular rap group 1459 01:00:18,359 --> 01:00:19,761 Digital Underground. 1460 01:00:19,761 --> 01:00:21,265 TUPAC: I was walking to Union Bank. 1461 01:00:21,265 --> 01:00:23,169 I was going to withdraw money. 1462 01:00:23,169 --> 01:00:24,505 I had my bank cards in my hand, my beeper was going off. 1463 01:00:24,505 --> 01:00:26,275 I'm running across the street. 1464 01:00:26,275 --> 01:00:28,246 The police officer stopped me on the sidewalk 1465 01:00:28,246 --> 01:00:30,316 and asked to see my ID. 1466 01:00:30,316 --> 01:00:32,587 He sweated me about my name, like, 1467 01:00:32,587 --> 01:00:35,460 "I can't believe your mother named you that." 1468 01:00:35,460 --> 01:00:37,564 And they were charging me with jaywalking. 1469 01:00:37,564 --> 01:00:40,170 So I was riffing and arguing about... 1470 01:00:40,170 --> 01:00:42,207 why would they charge me with such a petty crime? 1471 01:00:42,207 --> 01:00:45,513 The officers said, "You are not above the law, 1472 01:00:45,513 --> 01:00:48,252 and just because you're in a rap group don't make you different. 1473 01:00:48,252 --> 01:00:49,621 You have to learn your place." 1474 01:00:49,621 --> 01:00:51,225 And they said, "You have to learn 1475 01:00:51,225 --> 01:00:52,727 how to treat the police officers of Oakland." 1476 01:00:52,727 --> 01:00:54,531 So I kept yelling, "Just give me the citation. 1477 01:00:54,531 --> 01:00:56,168 Let me go about my business." 1478 01:00:56,168 --> 01:00:57,671 That was a problem. 1479 01:00:57,671 --> 01:00:59,341 But after I said that, I was in a choke hold, 1480 01:00:59,341 --> 01:01:01,245 which is known as the sleeper. 1481 01:01:01,245 --> 01:01:04,618 Officer Boyovich repeatedly slammed my face into the floor 1482 01:01:04,618 --> 01:01:06,689 while Rodgers put the cuffs on me. 1483 01:01:06,689 --> 01:01:09,461 They was happy after I was unconscious in cuffs on the floor. 1484 01:01:13,369 --> 01:01:15,573 AFENI: For every young Black male child, 1485 01:01:15,573 --> 01:01:18,246 at some point in his life, 1486 01:01:18,246 --> 01:01:21,318 there is 90% possibility 1487 01:01:21,318 --> 01:01:24,625 that some person is going to look at that child 1488 01:01:24,625 --> 01:01:27,464 and denote to that child 1489 01:01:27,464 --> 01:01:31,572 what his station in life will be in this country. 1490 01:01:33,576 --> 01:01:36,615 The police beat my son in the streets of Oakland 1491 01:01:36,615 --> 01:01:38,786 because his name was Tupac Amaru Shakur 1492 01:01:38,786 --> 01:01:40,523 and not Joe Blow. 1493 01:01:40,523 --> 01:01:42,327 TUPAC: My spirit was broke, 1494 01:01:42,327 --> 01:01:44,631 because after I made consciousness again, 1495 01:01:44,631 --> 01:01:47,470 they kept joking about... (coughs) "I can't breathe. I can't breathe." 1496 01:01:47,470 --> 01:01:50,643 'Cause I couldn't breathe. The breath was taken from me. 1497 01:01:50,643 --> 01:01:52,480 AFENI: What I wanted for my son 1498 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,418 is when they did that, 1499 01:01:54,418 --> 01:01:57,524 I wanted him to have a place where he found beauty, 1500 01:01:57,524 --> 01:02:00,563 integrity and strength within himself. 1501 01:02:00,563 --> 01:02:02,467 He could fight back at that. 1502 01:02:02,467 --> 01:02:04,237 And I thought that was the most important thing 1503 01:02:04,237 --> 01:02:05,773 I could give to my son. 1504 01:02:05,773 --> 01:02:07,711 TUPAC: On every single track on my album, 1505 01:02:07,711 --> 01:02:10,216 I talk about the injustices of the young Black males. 1506 01:02:10,216 --> 01:02:12,454 And in my album, the number one enemy is the police, 1507 01:02:12,454 --> 01:02:14,424 the crooked police officer. 1508 01:02:14,424 --> 01:02:16,228 And the ironic thing is that it never happened to me. 1509 01:02:16,228 --> 01:02:18,499 I was speaking from stories of my peers. 1510 01:02:18,499 --> 01:02:20,436 (indistinct chattering) 1511 01:02:20,436 --> 01:02:22,574 I missed my video debuting on MTV. 1512 01:02:22,574 --> 01:02:24,611 First-time world premiere. 1513 01:02:24,611 --> 01:02:27,517 I spent seven hours in jail for getting beat on by police. 1514 01:02:27,517 --> 01:02:29,655 And I'm in jail while my video is being premiered. 1515 01:02:31,625 --> 01:02:33,195 ♪ Hands up, throw me up Against the wall ♪ 1516 01:02:33,195 --> 01:02:35,166 ♪ Didn't do a thing at all ♪ 1517 01:02:35,166 --> 01:02:36,769 ♪ Telling you one day These suckers got to fall ♪ 1518 01:02:36,769 --> 01:02:38,773 ♪ Cuffed up, throw me On the concrete ♪ 1519 01:02:38,773 --> 01:02:41,412 ♪ Coppers try to kill me But they didn't know ♪ 1520 01:02:41,412 --> 01:02:42,614 ♪ This was the wrong street, Bang, bang ♪ 1521 01:02:42,614 --> 01:02:44,685 ♪ Count another casualty ♪ 1522 01:02:44,685 --> 01:02:46,388 ♪ But it's a cop Who's shot for his brutality ♪ 1523 01:02:46,388 --> 01:02:48,359 ♪ Who do you blame? ♪ 1524 01:02:48,359 --> 01:02:50,396 ♪ It's a shame Because the man's slain ♪ 1525 01:02:50,396 --> 01:02:52,701 ♪ He got caught in the chains Of his own game ♪ 1526 01:02:52,701 --> 01:02:55,306 ♪ How can I feel guilty After all the things They did to me? ♪ 1527 01:02:55,306 --> 01:02:58,212 ♪ Sweated me, hunted me Trapped in my own community ♪ 1528 01:02:58,212 --> 01:03:00,616 ♪ One day I'm gonna bust Blow up on this society ♪ 1529 01:03:00,616 --> 01:03:02,520 ♪ Why did you lie to me? ♪ 1530 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,491 ♪ I couldn't find A trace of equality ♪ 1531 01:03:04,491 --> 01:03:05,793 ♪ Work me like a slave While they laid back ♪ 1532 01:03:05,793 --> 01:03:07,764 ♪ Homey don't play that ♪ 1533 01:03:07,764 --> 01:03:09,735 ♪ It's time I let them Suffer the payback ♪ 1534 01:03:09,735 --> 01:03:11,772 ♪ I'm trying To avoid physical contact ♪ 1535 01:03:11,772 --> 01:03:14,478 ♪ I can't hold back, It's time to attack ♪ 1536 01:03:14,478 --> 01:03:16,448 ♪ Jack, they got me trapped ♪ 1537 01:03:18,586 --> 01:03:20,423 AFENI: Today, no matter what, 1538 01:03:20,423 --> 01:03:22,627 I thank God that I gave him. 1539 01:03:22,627 --> 01:03:27,637 I remember the last time I tried to spank my son. 1540 01:03:27,637 --> 01:03:30,343 And he was too old for me to spank then. 1541 01:03:30,343 --> 01:03:32,380 He was about 13 years old. 1542 01:03:32,380 --> 01:03:34,518 And I raised my hand to hit him. 1543 01:03:34,518 --> 01:03:37,223 And he didn't try to hit me back, 1544 01:03:37,223 --> 01:03:39,661 but he blocked the blows. 1545 01:03:39,661 --> 01:03:42,534 And from here he looked at me and he said, 1546 01:03:42,534 --> 01:03:47,277 "I'm never going to let anybody beat me down." 1547 01:03:47,277 --> 01:03:48,646 And you know what? 1548 01:03:48,646 --> 01:03:50,350 (chuckles) 1549 01:03:50,350 --> 01:03:52,454 Stopped me in my tracks. 1550 01:03:52,454 --> 01:03:55,526 TUPAC: ♪ Nightmare That's what I am ♪ 1551 01:03:55,526 --> 01:03:57,564 ♪ America's nightmare ♪ 1552 01:03:57,564 --> 01:03:59,468 ♪ I am what you made me ♪ 1553 01:03:59,468 --> 01:04:02,440 ♪ The hate and the evil That you gave me ♪ 1554 01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,313 ♪ I shine as a reminder of what You've done to my people ♪ 1555 01:04:05,313 --> 01:04:08,719 ♪ For 400-plus years ♪ 1556 01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:10,723 ♪ You should be scared ♪ 1557 01:04:10,723 --> 01:04:12,727 ♪ You should be running ♪ 1558 01:04:12,727 --> 01:04:16,235 ♪ You should be Trying to silence me ♪ 1559 01:04:16,235 --> 01:04:19,741 ♪ Ha, but you cannot Escape fate ♪ 1560 01:04:19,741 --> 01:04:21,645 ♪ For it is my turn to come ♪ 1561 01:04:21,645 --> 01:04:23,616 ♪ 2pacalypse ♪ 1562 01:04:23,616 --> 01:04:25,453 ♪ America's nightmare ♪ 1563 01:04:27,490 --> 01:04:28,559 ♪ Come on, come on ♪ 1564 01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:30,396 ♪ I see no changes ♪ 1565 01:04:30,396 --> 01:04:32,434 ♪ Wake up in the morning And I ask myself ♪ 1566 01:04:32,434 --> 01:04:34,538 ♪ "Is life worth living? Should I blast myself?" ♪ 1567 01:04:34,538 --> 01:04:37,010 ♪ I'm tired of being poor Even worse, I'm Black ♪ 1568 01:04:37,010 --> 01:04:38,679 ♪ My stomach hurts So I'm looking for a purse To snatch ♪ 1569 01:04:38,679 --> 01:04:40,650 ♪ Cops give a damn About a Negro ♪ 1570 01:04:40,650 --> 01:04:42,654 ♪ Pull the trigger Kill a nigga, he's a hero ♪ 1571 01:04:42,654 --> 01:04:44,791 ♪ Give the crack to the kids Who the hell cares? ♪ 1572 01:04:44,791 --> 01:04:46,996 ♪ One less hungry mouth On the welfare ♪ 1573 01:04:46,996 --> 01:04:49,301 ♪ First ship them dope And let them deal to brothers ♪ 1574 01:04:49,301 --> 01:04:51,472 ♪ Give them guns, step back Watch them kill each other ♪ 1575 01:04:51,472 --> 01:04:53,509 ♪ "It's time to fight back," That's what Huey said ♪ 1576 01:04:53,509 --> 01:04:55,713 ♪ Two shots in the dark, Now Huey's dead ♪ 1577 01:04:55,713 --> 01:04:57,817 ♪ I got love for my brother But we can never go nowhere ♪ 1578 01:04:57,817 --> 01:04:59,588 ♪ Unless we share With each other ♪ 1579 01:04:59,588 --> 01:05:01,358 ♪ We got to start Making changes ♪ 1580 01:05:01,358 --> 01:05:02,995 ♪ Learn to see me As a brother ♪ 1581 01:05:02,995 --> 01:05:04,765 ♪ Instead of two Distant strangers ♪ 1582 01:05:04,765 --> 01:05:05,800 ♪ And that's how It's supposed to be... ♪ Deam the man with the master plan 125121

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