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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:06,130 [projector reel clicking] 2 00:00:15,030 --> 00:00:18,900 [upbeat classic music] 3 00:00:23,260 --> 00:00:27,200 [ominous music] 4 00:00:46,860 --> 00:00:49,330 - [Voiceover] We couldn't believe 5 00:00:49,330 --> 00:00:51,130 man's inhumanity to man. 6 00:00:51,130 --> 00:00:52,230 It just... 7 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,400 It just shocked us. 8 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,600 Literally shocked us to the point. 9 00:01:00,430 --> 00:01:02,660 We couldn't believe what we saw. 10 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:09,830 - [Voiceover] At two in the morning 11 00:01:09,830 --> 00:01:12,760 on Christmas Eve of 1995, my sister and I 12 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,200 opened this trunk and took out an envelope. 13 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,330 Inside was a small stack of photographs 14 00:01:17,330 --> 00:01:18,400 that our grandfather had taken 15 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,530 while he was at war. 16 00:01:21,530 --> 00:01:23,360 The only light we had came from a small lamp 17 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,830 left over from my uncle's childhood. 18 00:01:28,300 --> 00:01:29,930 Earlier that day our grandmother had threatened 19 00:01:29,930 --> 00:01:31,830 to destroy the pictures. 20 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,160 Slowly and quietly we laid them out 21 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,360 on the top of the trunk and I used the last roll 22 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,200 of film in my camera to make copies. 23 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:40,560 I could barely look at them. 24 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,930 They were so gruesome and sad. 25 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,100 Sixteen years have passed since then, 26 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:52,560 but I now have a reason to print those negatives. 27 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,960 As a teenager I saw the horror in the pictures, 28 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,330 but I never thought about the man who took them, 29 00:01:58,330 --> 00:01:59,930 the young soldier behind the view finder 30 00:01:59,930 --> 00:02:01,460 snapping the shutter. 31 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:04,830 My grandfather may be dead, 32 00:02:04,830 --> 00:02:07,160 but his pictures tell a story of his time at war. 33 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,860 It's a story of mass murder. 34 00:02:09,860 --> 00:02:12,000 Of a Holocaust and a liberation. 35 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,760 It's a story of silence. 36 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,700 And once I tried to understand the photos 37 00:02:15,700 --> 00:02:17,960 I realized that it was the story of hundreds, 38 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,430 even thousands of others like me. 39 00:02:22,460 --> 00:02:24,200 The chaos of World War II was much more 40 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,400 than I could ever hope to understand, 41 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,600 but I have these 16 pictures and for me 42 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,830 they're the key to unlocking a family secret 43 00:02:30,830 --> 00:02:33,860 that's only ever been told in whispers. 44 00:02:33,860 --> 00:02:36,860 [somber music] 45 00:03:06,130 --> 00:03:07,360 - [Voiceover] Tucked into the mountains 46 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,760 of Vermont is the tiny town of East Dorset. 47 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,600 The marble quarry here is the oldest in America 48 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,430 and it's the home of Bill Wilson, 49 00:03:14,430 --> 00:03:16,260 founder of Alcoholic's Anonymous. 50 00:03:16,260 --> 00:03:18,600 It's the kind of town where everyone knows each other 51 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,660 and where Memorial Day is celebrated 52 00:03:20,660 --> 00:03:23,760 with flags and motorcycles and church services. 53 00:03:24,060 --> 00:03:26,530 On Pleasant Street is the house my grandfather built 54 00:03:26,530 --> 00:03:28,500 on a plot carved out of the woodlands 55 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:31,560 where my great grandfather once tapped for maple syrup. 56 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:33,730 This is where my mom grew up 57 00:03:33,730 --> 00:03:35,230 and we've come to try to untangle 58 00:03:35,230 --> 00:03:36,930 the story of the photos. 59 00:03:36,930 --> 00:03:38,300 - [Voiceover] Do you remember Don talking 60 00:03:38,300 --> 00:03:40,400 about the war very much? 61 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,230 - Not much, no. 62 00:03:43,660 --> 00:03:47,700 I do know he would say he was General Patton's driver 63 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,900 and I knew he had been in concentration camps, 64 00:03:51,900 --> 00:03:53,330 but he didn't talk about it. 65 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:54,860 - [Voiceover] We talked for a while 66 00:03:54,860 --> 00:03:57,230 about family history, but eventually I have to ask 67 00:03:57,230 --> 00:03:59,760 about the photos that I shouldn't even know exist. 68 00:04:00,100 --> 00:04:01,430 - [Voiceover] How did you feel when I told you 69 00:04:01,430 --> 00:04:04,060 that Martha and I had made copies of them? 70 00:04:04,060 --> 00:04:06,760 - Well, by the time I knew that I was glad 71 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,430 because I knew my mother wanted to get rid of them 72 00:04:09,630 --> 00:04:13,760 and I don't feel they should be gotten rid of. 73 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,800 - [Voiceover] I guess everything starts there. 74 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,430 [instrumental Christmas music] 75 00:04:20,330 --> 00:04:21,530 - [Voiceover] In the winter of '95 76 00:04:21,530 --> 00:04:23,760 I was studying photography in Boston. 77 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,330 I'm not sure why, but when I left town for Christmas 78 00:04:26,330 --> 00:04:28,360 I only had one roll of film with me. 79 00:04:28,860 --> 00:04:30,900 I took a few pictures on my way out of town 80 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,930 and the rest of the roll is very different. 81 00:04:32,930 --> 00:04:35,730 Those copies I made of my grandfather's pictures. 82 00:04:37,030 --> 00:04:39,260 This is the room where I've slept since I was a kid. 83 00:04:39,830 --> 00:04:41,330 It had been my uncle's bedroom 84 00:04:41,330 --> 00:04:43,230 and later my grandpa's office. 85 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,000 My sister Martha, was with me 86 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,030 the night I made the copies of the photos 87 00:04:47,030 --> 00:04:48,460 and as I stand in this room 88 00:04:48,460 --> 00:04:50,460 I wonder if she remembers things the way I do. 89 00:04:50,660 --> 00:04:51,930 - [Voiceover] Not really, I mean I remember 90 00:04:51,930 --> 00:04:53,730 what my mom talked about it 91 00:04:53,730 --> 00:04:57,060 a few months ago, I remember her talking about you 92 00:04:57,060 --> 00:05:00,100 finding all these pictures of grandpa 93 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:01,930 and you know, that he saw in the Holocaust 94 00:05:01,930 --> 00:05:03,660 that they took pictures of. 95 00:05:04,060 --> 00:05:05,460 I don't remember it as a kid. 96 00:05:05,460 --> 00:05:07,800 I remember our dad talking about it. 97 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,730 I remember, you know, grandma 98 00:05:09,730 --> 00:05:11,330 but she never talked about it. 99 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,700 I don't think she liked to think about it 100 00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:18,000 so she didn't want them around probably. 101 00:05:18,430 --> 00:05:19,630 - [Voiceover] I've often thought about 102 00:05:19,630 --> 00:05:21,700 how I first heard of the Ohrdruf photos. 103 00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:23,900 Don was always very silent about the war, 104 00:05:23,900 --> 00:05:26,160 but there were clues to what he had seen. 105 00:05:26,930 --> 00:05:28,400 I was the oldest grandkid, 106 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,530 but I was only 14 when he died. 107 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,700 He only mentioned his pictures once 108 00:05:32,700 --> 00:05:34,930 while we were stacking wood in the barn. 109 00:05:34,930 --> 00:05:37,230 So this is what I know after all these years. 110 00:05:37,230 --> 00:05:39,130 No one really remembers why we felt compelled 111 00:05:39,130 --> 00:05:40,600 to copy the photos, 112 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,330 to save them from some vague threat 113 00:05:42,330 --> 00:05:44,230 from my grandmother, but we did. 114 00:05:44,230 --> 00:05:46,400 Now all I'm left with are my own memories, 115 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,800 which are confusing and incomplete. 116 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,100 [instrumental hymn music] 117 00:05:56,930 --> 00:05:58,360 My grandmother has played the organ 118 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,800 in her church every Sunday since Eisenhower was President. 119 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,530 She lives a life of discipline 120 00:06:03,530 --> 00:06:05,330 and unbending principle. 121 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,730 In her home there is no sugar, no salt, 122 00:06:08,730 --> 00:06:11,400 no caffeine, no alcohol. 123 00:06:15,230 --> 00:06:16,730 Recently my grandmother has been giving away 124 00:06:16,730 --> 00:06:18,500 Don's books and papers, 125 00:06:18,500 --> 00:06:20,760 and I worry that she's gave away his pictures too. 126 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,230 I wanna ask her about them, 127 00:06:22,230 --> 00:06:23,660 but she keeps putting me off, 128 00:06:23,660 --> 00:06:25,230 so I follow her around with my camera 129 00:06:25,230 --> 00:06:27,100 hoping she'll tell me where they are. 130 00:06:27,300 --> 00:06:29,700 So my first question is 131 00:06:29,700 --> 00:06:32,530 when did you meet your husband Don? 132 00:06:32,530 --> 00:06:33,660 Eventually she agrees to sit down 133 00:06:33,660 --> 00:06:35,100 for an interview. 134 00:06:35,100 --> 00:06:38,060 Her memory has faded and she doesn't say much. 135 00:06:39,300 --> 00:06:41,230 I'm not sure if she's scared of the cameras 136 00:06:41,230 --> 00:06:43,060 or if she really can't remember, 137 00:06:43,060 --> 00:06:45,130 but it looks like I'm gonna have to wait a little longer 138 00:06:45,130 --> 00:06:47,600 before I can ask her where the pictures have gone. 139 00:06:49,330 --> 00:06:51,730 - I think they were very typical boys, kinda rowdy. 140 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:53,730 Preacher's kids, you know? 141 00:06:53,730 --> 00:06:56,160 So they had to be bad because they 142 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,100 were the preacher's kids. 143 00:06:58,100 --> 00:06:59,400 - [Voiceover] Is that the rule, you have to be bad? 144 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:00,930 - Yeah, you have to like rebel against 145 00:07:00,930 --> 00:07:02,630 being the preacher's kids. 146 00:07:02,700 --> 00:07:04,400 My Uncle Warren was the oldest, 147 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,530 and then there was Uncle Bob, 148 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,400 and then my dad was the youngest, 149 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,900 and they were all about two-and-a-half years apart. 150 00:07:11,900 --> 00:07:13,060 - [Voiceover] Like many families, 151 00:07:13,060 --> 00:07:14,800 we keep our history in snapshots 152 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,330 and half remembered stories so we start looking 153 00:07:17,330 --> 00:07:19,530 through old photos, piecing together the life 154 00:07:19,530 --> 00:07:21,060 of Donald Johnson. 155 00:07:21,730 --> 00:07:23,600 - I think my dad came back 156 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,130 and he had a very successful job. 157 00:07:25,130 --> 00:07:27,700 He became a banker and, 158 00:07:28,530 --> 00:07:29,930 You know, he made a good living. 159 00:07:29,930 --> 00:07:31,360 He was able to build a nice house and everything 160 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,330 and I think my Uncle Warren had a more difficult time 161 00:07:34,330 --> 00:07:36,060 maybe getting jobs. 162 00:07:36,530 --> 00:07:38,760 The other thing was he was the oldest 163 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,330 and my dad was the youngest, 164 00:07:40,330 --> 00:07:43,000 so it's possible he had some of the sibling rivalry, 165 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,530 unconscious probably, of the older and the younger 166 00:07:46,530 --> 00:07:49,100 and actually the younger probably being more successful. 167 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,000 - [Voiceover] The Don I remember was an old man, 168 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,230 a grandpa, but the pictures tell another story. 169 00:07:55,900 --> 00:07:57,660 How do you explain a full life? 170 00:07:58,500 --> 00:07:59,730 Here was a man who fought in the war 171 00:07:59,730 --> 00:08:01,400 and came home to start over. 172 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,830 He built his own house and had a good job. 173 00:08:04,230 --> 00:08:06,400 He was a father and a husband. 174 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,660 Raising two kids in a conservative, but loving home. 175 00:08:10,330 --> 00:08:12,660 He served in the National Guard from 1957 176 00:08:12,660 --> 00:08:15,430 until retiring as a Captain in the '80s. 177 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,300 Does any of that really get to the heart 178 00:08:17,300 --> 00:08:18,760 of who he was? 179 00:08:27,330 --> 00:08:28,800 So which one is which? 180 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,800 - This is Warren, and this is Bob, and this is Don. 181 00:08:36,660 --> 00:08:38,200 1939. 182 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,130 - [Voiceover] Which one is you? 183 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:41,900 - Me. 184 00:08:41,900 --> 00:08:42,900 - [Voiceover] The smaller one. 185 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,030 - [Voiceover] Wow. 186 00:08:44,030 --> 00:08:45,430 Nice mustaches. 187 00:08:45,430 --> 00:08:47,230 [laughing] 188 00:08:47,230 --> 00:08:50,100 That seems like a lot to get through. 189 00:08:50,300 --> 00:08:51,830 - Holocaust. 190 00:08:52,330 --> 00:08:53,900 - [Man] Now that, 191 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,430 if you wouldn't mind holding onto that 192 00:08:55,430 --> 00:08:56,860 for just a second. 193 00:08:56,860 --> 00:08:58,260 That is what... 194 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:00,500 So could you... 195 00:09:00,830 --> 00:09:02,900 - [laughing] My report cards 196 00:09:02,900 --> 00:09:04,830 when I was little. - [Man] Your report cards? 197 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:07,030 Well, here, why don't we open up 198 00:09:07,030 --> 00:09:09,430 the one that says Holocaust? 199 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,230 - Order right here. 200 00:09:13,630 --> 00:09:15,230 David Thum. 201 00:09:19,660 --> 00:09:20,960 I never saw these. 202 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,900 He never showed 'em to me. 203 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,800 Oh, gosh. 204 00:09:28,060 --> 00:09:29,460 Oh, I don't wanna... 205 00:09:30,260 --> 00:09:32,100 - [Voiceover] What I wanna know is what this is. 206 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,900 These are the originals. 207 00:09:36,900 --> 00:09:40,360 It says pictures taken at Ohrdruf. 208 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,900 First death camp overrun, April 1945. 209 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,500 Then picture one is of the lyme pit. 210 00:09:49,100 --> 00:09:50,260 Picture two... 211 00:09:50,260 --> 00:09:51,660 - He never showed me these. 212 00:09:51,660 --> 00:09:52,730 - [Voiceover] He never showed 213 00:09:52,730 --> 00:09:54,230 you those? - [Voiceover] No, no. 214 00:09:55,060 --> 00:09:57,100 - [Voiceover] Then he never talked about it, 215 00:09:57,930 --> 00:10:01,100 but this is a list of the pictures. 216 00:10:01,330 --> 00:10:03,560 So these are survivors. 217 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:04,860 I don't... 218 00:10:04,860 --> 00:10:06,160 They have numbers on them. 219 00:10:07,060 --> 00:10:10,730 So one is a lyme pit, 220 00:10:10,730 --> 00:10:14,030 and two is clothing, 221 00:10:16,260 --> 00:10:17,900 and this is three. 222 00:10:17,900 --> 00:10:19,930 So he'd labeled them all. 223 00:10:20,300 --> 00:10:21,430 Three. 224 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:23,830 Oh, that's gross. 225 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,560 This is, it's a... 226 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,000 It was used to incinerate the bodies. 227 00:10:31,130 --> 00:10:32,300 Oh. 228 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,660 I'm just reading the rest of this list, 229 00:10:35,660 --> 00:10:36,900 doesn't look very pleasant, 230 00:10:36,900 --> 00:10:39,160 but these, so these are the, 231 00:10:42,630 --> 00:10:45,360 so these are the pictures that grandpa took. 232 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,460 [ominous music] 233 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,400 And he never showed them to you? 234 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:51,560 - No. 235 00:10:55,830 --> 00:10:57,560 - I'm sorry to have to dig up 236 00:10:57,560 --> 00:10:59,030 all this old stuff. 237 00:10:59,230 --> 00:11:00,500 - I don't like it. 238 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:04,760 - [Voiceover] That night after my grandmother 239 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,760 has gone to bed, we start looking through Don's books 240 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,000 for pages that he might have marked 241 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,260 and clues he might have left behind. 242 00:11:12,230 --> 00:11:13,500 We decide to take out his pictures 243 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:15,660 and look them over one more time. 244 00:11:22,330 --> 00:11:25,630 - I can't imagine bein' 20 years old 245 00:11:25,630 --> 00:11:27,060 and walkin' into this. 246 00:11:33,330 --> 00:11:34,900 [peaceful instrumental music] 247 00:11:34,900 --> 00:11:35,830 - [Voiceover] Of the few things that I can 248 00:11:35,830 --> 00:11:37,530 remember about Don 249 00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:38,900 it's his work on the Ambulance Corp 250 00:11:38,900 --> 00:11:40,400 that stands out the most. 251 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:42,060 He was always running off to answer 252 00:11:42,060 --> 00:11:44,200 an emergency call and to this day 253 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:45,900 my grandmother leaves the police scanner on 254 00:11:45,900 --> 00:11:47,430 in the living room even though the EMS 255 00:11:47,430 --> 00:11:50,260 has gone digital and the scanner is now silent. 256 00:11:51,030 --> 00:11:54,230 - He went on the Ambulance Corp after he retired. 257 00:11:54,230 --> 00:11:56,400 I won't say he was always easy to get along with, 258 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,000 so I have a feeling as management 259 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,930 and times changed in the bank they kind of 260 00:12:01,060 --> 00:12:02,860 wanted to push him out. 261 00:12:03,300 --> 00:12:04,760 So he was looking for something to do 262 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,900 and I guess he had always loved the medic 263 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:12,000 aspect of his work in the war. 264 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,160 So he became an EMT. 265 00:12:15,230 --> 00:12:16,730 He had surgery 266 00:12:18,500 --> 00:12:22,260 to have a lung removed in the middle of '90, late in '90. 267 00:12:22,660 --> 00:12:24,260 Just before Marty and I got married. 268 00:12:24,260 --> 00:12:26,060 In fact, we had to change our wedding date. 269 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:27,700 He made it to our wedding. 270 00:12:27,700 --> 00:12:29,300 I'm sure that was more difficult for him 271 00:12:29,300 --> 00:12:30,900 than we knew at the time. 272 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,630 But he eventually just, ya know, 273 00:12:35,630 --> 00:12:36,800 he just sort of got worse and worse. 274 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,930 The radiation and the chemotherapy 275 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,330 just kind of didn't cure it. 276 00:12:44,330 --> 00:12:46,030 When they knew there was really nothing else to do 277 00:12:46,030 --> 00:12:48,430 they gave him medicine he could take 278 00:12:48,430 --> 00:12:50,960 to prevent the pain or to ease the pain. 279 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,160 There was a hospital bed right here, 280 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,860 in the middle of the living room. 281 00:12:56,230 --> 00:12:58,960 Just mom and I were here when he died, no one else. 282 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,160 People in and out all the time, 283 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,300 but as it turned out just mom and I 284 00:13:04,300 --> 00:13:05,460 were here when he died. 285 00:13:05,530 --> 00:13:09,060 [bagpipes playing "Amazing Grace"] 286 00:13:17,500 --> 00:13:19,400 - [Voiceover] I'll never forget Don's funeral. 287 00:13:20,230 --> 00:13:21,930 There was a bagpiper on the hill, 288 00:13:21,930 --> 00:13:24,430 and I stood by his grave in the hot August sun, 289 00:13:24,430 --> 00:13:27,500 mumbling the words to Amazing Grace under my breath. 290 00:13:38,430 --> 00:13:42,130 [somber instrumental music] 291 00:13:42,130 --> 00:13:44,100 Back in Boston it takes me a few days 292 00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:46,060 before I open up the envelope. 293 00:13:46,530 --> 00:13:47,660 Even though I went to Vermont 294 00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:49,430 with a plan to get the pictures, 295 00:13:49,430 --> 00:13:52,000 part of me hadn't really expected to come home with them. 296 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:53,800 I read through the letters, 297 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,260 which are mostly from the United States 298 00:13:55,260 --> 00:13:56,960 Holocaust Memorial Council 299 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,130 who would later build the museum in DC. 300 00:13:59,630 --> 00:14:02,060 The letters date back to 1979, 301 00:14:02,060 --> 00:14:03,200 but the most important is the one 302 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:04,900 written by my grandfather. 303 00:14:05,500 --> 00:14:06,760 - [Voiceover] We were present at Ohrdruf, 304 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,300 the first of the death camps uncovered. 305 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:12,160 I have some snapshots of scenes there. 306 00:14:12,660 --> 00:14:15,960 Members of my platoon shared what little film we had 307 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,400 and I have my set of prints. 308 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,260 Our negatives disappeared in Linz, Austria 309 00:14:21,260 --> 00:14:23,130 and we were told that counter intelligence 310 00:14:23,130 --> 00:14:25,000 had confiscated them. 311 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,760 I'm enclosing copies of these. 312 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,200 - [Voiceover] The date on the back of the copies 313 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,200 is November 1984. 314 00:14:30,260 --> 00:14:34,360 Amazingly, 27 years later, the phone number still works. 315 00:14:37,460 --> 00:14:38,530 - Hello? 316 00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:41,530 - Yes, this is Mathew. 317 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,300 Pictures of the liberation of a concentration camp 318 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:52,900 during World War II. 319 00:14:57,100 --> 00:15:00,930 So, do you even remember making the copies? 320 00:15:03,030 --> 00:15:04,130 Oh. 321 00:15:09,660 --> 00:15:11,430 They're pretty gruesome, I have to say. 322 00:15:11,430 --> 00:15:13,560 - [Voiceover] I had hoped that he could tell me more. 323 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,360 That maybe my grandfather had told him his story 324 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,260 when he asked for the copies, but no luck. 325 00:15:18,260 --> 00:15:21,730 [slow classical music] 326 00:15:23,100 --> 00:15:24,360 - [Voiceover] So 20 years after his death 327 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,130 I finally have his photos. 328 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,400 I was so worried my grandmother had destroyed them, 329 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,130 but now they're safe with me, 330 00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:32,630 but reading through the letters 331 00:15:32,630 --> 00:15:34,700 I feel confused and a bit frustrated 332 00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:36,230 because I have no idea what they tell me 333 00:15:36,230 --> 00:15:37,600 about his life. 334 00:15:39,060 --> 00:15:40,460 - [Voiceover] The memory of Ohrdruf, 335 00:15:40,460 --> 00:15:43,500 particularly is engraved upon my memory. 336 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:46,100 I keep the pictures close at hand 337 00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:48,860 and have made a point of looking at them frequently. 338 00:15:49,430 --> 00:15:50,530 - [Voiceover] Where was Ohrdruf 339 00:15:50,530 --> 00:15:51,960 and how did he end up there? 340 00:15:52,530 --> 00:15:55,500 What exactly is the story told by these pictures? 341 00:15:57,700 --> 00:16:00,500 The truth is that I'm not a researcher or historian. 342 00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:02,830 Just a grandson trying to understand. 343 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:04,800 I'm a photographer and I point a camera 344 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,300 at the world to learn about it, 345 00:16:06,300 --> 00:16:08,960 so my research into Ohrdruf takes a long time. 346 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,100 Even though the internet is full of information 347 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:12,700 about dates and locations 348 00:16:12,700 --> 00:16:14,900 I still can't connect the horror of these photos 349 00:16:14,900 --> 00:16:16,660 to the cold facts. 350 00:16:16,860 --> 00:16:18,030 Many of the articles I find 351 00:16:18,030 --> 00:16:20,300 refer to one interview from 2008 352 00:16:20,300 --> 00:16:22,630 with a veteran named Charles Payne. 353 00:16:22,630 --> 00:16:25,060 He's the great uncle of President Obama 354 00:16:25,060 --> 00:16:26,700 and the article came out a week after 355 00:16:26,700 --> 00:16:29,230 Obama caused a scandal on the campaign trail. 356 00:16:29,230 --> 00:16:34,230 - I had a uncle who was one of the, 357 00:16:36,130 --> 00:16:39,430 Who was part of the first American troops 358 00:16:39,430 --> 00:16:41,260 to go into Auschwitz 359 00:16:41,260 --> 00:16:43,930 and liberate the concentration camps. 360 00:16:44,300 --> 00:16:45,900 - So why is everyone up in arms? 361 00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:47,230 Well, first, Auschwitz was liberated 362 00:16:47,230 --> 00:16:49,100 by the Soviet Army and second, 363 00:16:49,100 --> 00:16:51,400 Senator Obama's American mother didn't have a brother. 364 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,230 - [Voiceover] First, Obama didn't have an uncle 365 00:16:53,230 --> 00:16:55,030 who served in the US Army. 366 00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:56,760 Second, Russian forces liberated 367 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,530 the Auschwitz concentration camp in 368 00:16:58,530 --> 00:17:00,830 Poland in January of 1945. 369 00:17:00,830 --> 00:17:02,100 - [Voiceover] For a week Obama's opponents 370 00:17:02,100 --> 00:17:04,300 hyped his mistake until the AP article 371 00:17:04,300 --> 00:17:06,060 about Mr. Payne came out. 372 00:17:06,060 --> 00:17:09,060 In it he said that it wasn't Auschwitz that he liberated, 373 00:17:09,060 --> 00:17:12,060 but the sub-camp of Buchenwald called Ohrdruf. 374 00:17:12,300 --> 00:17:14,700 To be honest, as excited as I might have been 375 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:16,800 to make this connection between my grandfather 376 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,100 and the president, I wasn't really all that thrilled 377 00:17:20,100 --> 00:17:21,560 about spending a year of my life 378 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,400 immersed in the gruesomeness of the Holocaust. 379 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,060 But as I started doing my research 380 00:17:26,060 --> 00:17:28,060 and learning more about the camp 381 00:17:28,060 --> 00:17:30,130 and the men who liberated it, I realized 382 00:17:30,130 --> 00:17:31,700 that I really needed to know what happened 383 00:17:31,700 --> 00:17:34,000 in April of 1945. 384 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,760 The problem was where to begin. 385 00:17:40,460 --> 00:17:42,400 I decided to call Mr. Payne. 386 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,000 He's kind and talks with me a little, 387 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,360 but refuses to let me record the conversation. 388 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,330 He gets off the phone as quickly as he can. 389 00:17:52,030 --> 00:17:54,530 As I hang up I realize that in my rush to talk to him 390 00:17:54,530 --> 00:17:56,430 I hadn't thought about all the horrible memories 391 00:17:56,430 --> 00:17:58,060 I was forcing him to relive. 392 00:17:58,060 --> 00:17:59,860 In fact, I had no real idea 393 00:17:59,860 --> 00:18:03,000 what those soldiers saw when they liberated the camps. 394 00:18:04,700 --> 00:18:07,430 My guilt about how badly I handled things with Mr. Payne 395 00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:09,360 almost made me forget something he told me 396 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:10,860 in our conversation. 397 00:18:10,860 --> 00:18:13,900 That he had served in the 89th Infantry Division. 398 00:18:14,500 --> 00:18:16,230 That led me to Mark Kitchell. 399 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,900 Mark helped his dad run the 89th website 400 00:18:18,900 --> 00:18:20,360 and they had been dragged into 401 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:22,130 the controversy around Obama. 402 00:18:39,860 --> 00:18:42,230 - [Voiceover] Some of the emails had been pretty nasty, 403 00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:44,930 so his first responses to me were really defensive, 404 00:18:44,930 --> 00:18:46,460 but eventually when he understood 405 00:18:46,460 --> 00:18:47,930 what I was trying to do 406 00:18:47,930 --> 00:18:50,200 he agreed to help me find some veterans to talk to. 407 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:11,230 - [Voiceover] I didn't know it at the time, 408 00:19:11,230 --> 00:19:12,900 but in the months to come 409 00:19:12,900 --> 00:19:15,160 Mark would have a huge influence on my life. 410 00:19:15,930 --> 00:19:17,460 So here I was, waiting for Mark 411 00:19:17,460 --> 00:19:19,230 to help me find some veterans. 412 00:19:19,230 --> 00:19:22,360 Trying to connect my pictures to April 1945. 413 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:24,000 I didn't know what else to do. 414 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,600 All I really knew was that my grandfather 415 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,300 had been at Ohrdruf and that the 89th Division 416 00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:30,230 had liberated that camp, 417 00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:32,000 but how do I find one soldier 418 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,100 in a war of millions? 419 00:19:35,260 --> 00:19:38,460 [ominous music] 420 00:19:38,460 --> 00:19:41,600 [projector reels clicking] 421 00:19:46,300 --> 00:19:47,500 The Holocaust looms large 422 00:19:47,500 --> 00:19:49,500 in our cultural memory. 423 00:19:50,260 --> 00:19:51,960 Places like Buchenwald and Auschwitz 424 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,600 are permanently ingrained in the American Psyche. 425 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,300 Images of the suffering inflicted in those camps 426 00:19:57,300 --> 00:19:58,900 have forever shaped how we remember 427 00:19:58,900 --> 00:20:00,360 World War II. 428 00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:03,530 Writers like Elie Wiesel and film makers 429 00:20:03,530 --> 00:20:06,100 like Steven Spielberg have turned the memories 430 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:08,560 of the camps into a cultural language. 431 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,800 Something we all recognize immediately. 432 00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:16,460 Yet, as I look at my grandfather's photos 433 00:20:16,460 --> 00:20:17,930 I realize that I know nothing at all 434 00:20:17,930 --> 00:20:19,500 about what he saw. 435 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,360 In fact, other than the general Holocaust images 436 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:25,500 of movies and documentaries 437 00:20:25,500 --> 00:20:27,030 I can't say for certain what a soldier 438 00:20:27,030 --> 00:20:28,800 like Don would have seen. 439 00:20:29,530 --> 00:20:31,730 So I start looking for people who can help me. 440 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:33,900 - [Voiceover] It's already understood, 441 00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:35,660 even when the Nazi's were, 442 00:20:36,060 --> 00:20:37,400 before they came to power, 443 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,360 that the Nazi's wanted to set up 444 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:42,400 some kind of concentration camps. 445 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,000 - [Voiceover] Long before American soldiers 446 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,500 started fighting in Europe, 447 00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:47,060 the Nazi's had been killing people 448 00:20:47,060 --> 00:20:49,000 in concentration camps. 449 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,130 Geoffrey Megargee and Joseph White 450 00:20:51,130 --> 00:20:53,760 are senior researchers at the Holocaust Museum. 451 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,260 They helped me fill in some details, 452 00:20:55,260 --> 00:20:57,400 and we talk about their new book. 453 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,560 - The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum 454 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,400 Encyclopedia of Camps and Ghettos. 455 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,660 - I began in January of 2000. 456 00:21:04,130 --> 00:21:07,760 And, at the time, we were told 457 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,330 that we were looking at probably about 458 00:21:10,330 --> 00:21:13,960 between five and 7000 sites that we had to cover. 459 00:21:14,730 --> 00:21:16,230 We then started our research, 460 00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:18,630 and the numbers have been expanding ever since. 461 00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:20,830 We're up to somewhere between, 462 00:21:20,900 --> 00:21:23,360 well, probably close to 30,000 at this point. 463 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,760 The first volume covers the so-called "early camps" 464 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,200 that the Nazi's set up on an ad hoc basis in 1933, 465 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,160 and then that system evolved into 466 00:21:33,230 --> 00:21:35,900 the series of main concentration camps. 467 00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:37,500 The big names that most people know, 468 00:21:37,500 --> 00:21:40,400 Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, and so on. 469 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,700 About 24 of those and about 900 sub-camps. 470 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,060 - Well, I would say that in some way 471 00:21:48,060 --> 00:21:51,530 I sort of see the Holocaust experience 472 00:21:51,530 --> 00:21:54,900 as shaping my entire work life 473 00:21:55,230 --> 00:22:00,160 and issues and questions that I, you know, pursued. 474 00:22:01,660 --> 00:22:04,600 Well, I think there are a number of processes 475 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,830 involved at which a central one 476 00:22:08,830 --> 00:22:13,200 is a dehumanization and there are, again, 477 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,930 I think degrees of dehumanization, 478 00:22:15,930 --> 00:22:19,200 but the ultimate one is when you see 479 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,500 the target as not, 480 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:24,000 as less than human, 481 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,500 not subject to the moral obligations 482 00:22:27,860 --> 00:22:30,430 that one owes to other human beings. 483 00:22:30,930 --> 00:22:33,360 In the cases of genocide, it seems to me 484 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,600 it's gone to the point where 485 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:40,030 there's a moral obligation to kill these people. 486 00:22:40,030 --> 00:22:41,300 They are evil. 487 00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:44,100 They are insects. 488 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,400 They're termites. 489 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,630 They need to be exterminated. 490 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,760 - July 1944, I was deported to Auschwitz. 491 00:22:56,130 --> 00:23:01,130 Stayed in Auschwitz 'til October 23, 1944, 492 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,660 at which point I was shipped out 493 00:23:04,660 --> 00:23:08,130 on a transport to a small satellite camp of 494 00:23:09,460 --> 00:23:12,100 Buchenwald called Niederorschel, 495 00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:13,830 not far from Ohrdruf. 496 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,630 They did not tattoo you on the way in. 497 00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:19,400 They only tattooed you on the way out 498 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,200 if you managed to get out. 499 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,460 So I was tattooed when I left Auschwitz, not before. 500 00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:29,460 - [Voiceover] I can't read it from this angle. 501 00:23:29,460 --> 00:23:30,730 What does it say? 502 00:23:30,730 --> 00:23:33,000 - B13174. 503 00:23:34,130 --> 00:23:35,230 - [Voiceover] Thank you. 504 00:23:35,230 --> 00:23:37,360 - We make the distinction between, 505 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:39,560 for example, a concentration camp 506 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,930 where a lot of people died. 507 00:23:41,930 --> 00:23:43,400 Especially a places like Belsen 508 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,560 and Mauthausen where conditions became very bad 509 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,900 and Buchenwald, very bad toward the end of the war. 510 00:23:49,660 --> 00:23:52,060 Versus those few sites, and the Museum 511 00:23:52,060 --> 00:23:54,530 actually lists five of these at this point, 512 00:23:54,530 --> 00:23:57,500 whose main purpose was to kill. 513 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,430 Where most of the people who arrived 514 00:24:00,430 --> 00:24:02,660 were gassed immediately. 515 00:24:02,930 --> 00:24:05,600 Those are Chemno, Bezec, Sobibor, 516 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,030 Treblinka, and Auschwitz-Birkenau. 517 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,730 [male foreign singing] 518 00:24:15,730 --> 00:24:16,960 - [Voiceover] Other than Auschwitz, 519 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,730 I'd never heard any of the extermination camps, 520 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,800 and I had no idea what went on inside them 521 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,500 until my wife sent me an announcement 522 00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:26,260 about a talk at a local synagogue. 523 00:24:26,260 --> 00:24:28,860 - Today I had a discussion with my wife, and I was wondering 524 00:24:28,860 --> 00:24:32,930 if I should bring my children here tonight with us. 525 00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:35,330 On the one hand, I figured they're young, 526 00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:38,260 I don't know if this is really the place for them to be. 527 00:24:39,500 --> 00:24:43,030 And then I thought to myself, "When are they gonna 528 00:24:43,030 --> 00:24:46,930 "have an opportunity to meet a man as Mr. Bialowitz. 529 00:25:09,260 --> 00:25:11,100 - [Voiceover] Sobibor was an extermination camp 530 00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:14,130 set up by the Germans to liquidate the ghettos. 531 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,400 Philip Bialowitz was among a small group of 532 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,800 slave laborer's kept at the camp, to work for the Nazis, 533 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,100 and his story is as heartbreaking as it is amazing. 534 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,500 In 1943, the 600 Jews at Sobibor rebelled, 535 00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:30,700 killed the Nazi guards and ran for the woods. 536 00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:34,560 By the end of the war, nearly 60 of them were still alive. 537 00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:12,830 [German shouting] 538 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,330 - [Voiceover] The people of Eastern Europe faced terrible 539 00:26:17,330 --> 00:26:19,560 hardships during the mid war years. 540 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,200 Under Stalin, the people of the Ukraine were starved 541 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,400 by the millions under Soviet collectivization policies. 542 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,960 In Germany, the Nazis began setting up concentration camps 543 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,900 as soon as they took power in 1933. 544 00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:35,860 According to some historians, over 14 million people 545 00:26:35,860 --> 00:26:37,560 died in the bloodlands of Europe, 546 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,900 controlled by Hitler and Stalin. 547 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,660 In the fall of 2011, as I'm doing my research, 548 00:26:46,660 --> 00:26:48,600 the U.S. honors the 10th anniversary of the 549 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,530 terrorist attacks of September 11th. 550 00:26:52,030 --> 00:26:54,600 Nearly 3,000 Americans died on that tragic day. 551 00:26:55,460 --> 00:26:58,560 For the people of the bloodlands, there was a 9/11 every 552 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,560 single day, between 1933 and 1945. 553 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,830 For me, this is just too much to take in. 554 00:27:09,030 --> 00:27:11,760 I want to understand the story of one soldier, 555 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,500 but instead I'm confronted with the mass murder 556 00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:15,300 of millions of people. 557 00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:18,130 How can I understand anything about Ohrdruf unless 558 00:27:18,130 --> 00:27:20,500 I get into the one story I can grasp, 559 00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:22,060 the story of my grandfather. 560 00:27:22,060 --> 00:27:25,060 I need to map his path across Europe, and know his version 561 00:27:25,060 --> 00:27:28,600 of the war to really, truly understand what he saw. 562 00:27:29,260 --> 00:27:31,630 I'm not even sure where to begin, 563 00:27:31,630 --> 00:27:33,760 and it all seems so overwhelming. 564 00:27:34,860 --> 00:27:36,730 And then I meet Anna Rosmus. 565 00:27:37,260 --> 00:27:41,900 - When I published my first book about resistance 566 00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:45,930 and persecution, in Passau, my hometown in Bulvaria. 567 00:27:45,930 --> 00:27:49,560 In '83, it garnered a lot of attention. 568 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,100 Locally, of course it was considered a scandal 569 00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:55,760 more than anything else, for breaking a taboo, 570 00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,760 for publishing things that I should not have published. 571 00:28:01,730 --> 00:28:05,100 I was already a student at the University 572 00:28:05,660 --> 00:28:09,530 when I wrote a nationwide essay contest, 573 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,600 and one of the topics, one of the five topics to choose from 574 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,460 was the pre-war years in my hometown. 575 00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:23,100 So I started, literally, at zero, absolutely zero. 576 00:28:24,530 --> 00:28:27,730 It was not only World War II per se that we hadn't 577 00:28:27,730 --> 00:28:32,600 learned about, it was in particularly our hometown. 578 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,860 In hindsight, of course, I do understand why that was. 579 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,630 My hometown was also Hitler's hometown. 580 00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:44,860 My hometown was also Adolf Eichmann's hometown. 581 00:28:44,860 --> 00:28:49,860 This was a town where him and Goring was active. 582 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,400 This was a city where the big shots were at home, 583 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,300 long before Hitler took power. 584 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,230 I started to catch up, and before long I realized 585 00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:09,300 that locals, with very few exceptions, were unwilling to 586 00:29:09,460 --> 00:29:13,600 address the topic, were unwilling to answer my questions. 587 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,330 And I had to go outside of my hometown, 588 00:29:18,330 --> 00:29:20,000 to look for evidence. 589 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,060 There was a movie about my early work, 590 00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:25,430 and the movie premiered in America. 591 00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:27,760 - [Voiceover] In 1991, director Michael Verhoeven made a 592 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,660 film about Anna's work, that showed how angry people were 593 00:29:30,660 --> 00:29:33,260 with her, for talking about the Holocaust. 594 00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:36,630 The English title of the film is The Nasty Girl. 595 00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:39,800 - The German title is Das schreckliche MaƤdchen. 596 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,760 Straight forward translation would be The Terrifying Girl, 597 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,900 which was too terrifying and too 598 00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:49,500 political for American taste. 599 00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:50,660 It wouldn't sell. 600 00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:54,160 The Miramax brothers told me in person, 601 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,160 that they had to look for something sexual, 602 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,200 so they came up with The Nasty Girl. 603 00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:03,130 - [Voiceover] Anna's research eventually focused on the 604 00:30:03,130 --> 00:30:05,330 soldiers who had liberated her town, 605 00:30:05,330 --> 00:30:07,330 and she became a historian and activist, 606 00:30:07,330 --> 00:30:08,800 working closely with veterans. 607 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,560 - On the tour in America, I had an opportunity 608 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,960 to meet former Passau Jews. 609 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,060 Now it happened that some of the former Passau Jews 610 00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:24,730 were not only victimized during the Holocaust 611 00:30:24,730 --> 00:30:29,060 and long before, they also returned to Passau, 612 00:30:29,060 --> 00:30:30,830 as American soldiers. 613 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,100 - [Voiceover] Mark Kitchell has found some veterans 614 00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:36,530 for me to talk to, and I'm ready to start putting together 615 00:30:36,530 --> 00:30:39,000 Don's story of his time at war. 616 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,530 - [Voiceover] Yesterday, December seventh 1941, 617 00:30:45,530 --> 00:30:49,000 a date which will live in infamy. 618 00:30:49,730 --> 00:30:51,630 United States of America was 619 00:30:51,630 --> 00:30:54,600 suddenly and deliberately attacked. 620 00:30:57,130 --> 00:30:58,730 - [Voiceover] Don's older brother, Warren, 621 00:30:58,730 --> 00:31:01,500 was already in the service when the war broke out. 622 00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:04,330 - [Voiceover] He was in the Pacific. 623 00:31:04,330 --> 00:31:06,460 I don't know anything about a division, I believe it was 624 00:31:06,460 --> 00:31:09,300 the army, but I know he was at Pearl Harbor. 625 00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:11,560 As he just always said he was at Pearl Harbor. 626 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,700 - [Voiceover] Pearl Harbor had shocked the nation, 627 00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:15,300 and it must have hit really close to home, 628 00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:17,930 to have their older brother in the midst of the attack. 629 00:31:18,130 --> 00:31:21,430 So first Bob, and then Don, did what the rest of 630 00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:23,500 the boys of their generation did. 631 00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:29,100 - [Voiceover] Soldiers, sailors, and airmen are the 632 00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:31,200 Allied Expeditionary Force. 633 00:31:31,930 --> 00:31:34,800 You are about to embark upon the great crusade, 634 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,900 towards which we have striven these many months. 635 00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:40,330 The eyes of the world are upon you. 636 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,160 The hopes and prayers of liberty loving people 637 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,030 everywhere march with you. 638 00:31:45,260 --> 00:31:48,200 - [Voiceover] On June sixth of 1944, the largest invasion 639 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,130 in history took place on the beaches of Normandy. 640 00:31:51,130 --> 00:31:54,560 As the allied soldiers pushed into the French countryside, 641 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,960 they took appalling casualties. 642 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,100 To fill the ranks, the army called up soldiers 643 00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:02,000 who had been given non-combat assignments. 644 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,860 Many of them were in college. 645 00:32:03,860 --> 00:32:06,260 It was joked that the rolling W was the smartest 646 00:32:06,260 --> 00:32:07,630 division in the army. 647 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,300 - [Gene] We decided we were going to 648 00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:13,730 join the paratrooper force. 649 00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:16,200 Well, when we'd gotten down to the office to sign up, 650 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,660 he said, "Well, now you know that if you don't want 651 00:32:19,660 --> 00:32:22,160 "to jump, you're gonna jump one way or the other." 652 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,600 He wasn't signed up for the paratrooper, so I told him, 653 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,700 I said, "Well, I'm very unhappy in this outfit, 654 00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:30,560 "I want to get in an outfit where it's matching." 655 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,560 So I went in and I signed the document, 656 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,700 and 10 days later, I was transferred to 657 00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:37,460 the 89th Infantry Division. 658 00:32:37,460 --> 00:32:39,600 That was in July of 1944. 659 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,700 - [Voiceover] Over the next few weeks, I pieced together 660 00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:45,330 the story of the 89th, as told by the veterans. 661 00:32:45,530 --> 00:32:49,460 - [Donald] So I had volunteered, I did that, 662 00:32:49,460 --> 00:32:52,830 then the next thing I know, I was taking a physical. 663 00:32:52,830 --> 00:32:55,530 - [Ralph] Well I was in, of course, in the 89th division. 664 00:32:55,530 --> 00:32:59,230 And infantry divisions in World War II were 665 00:33:00,460 --> 00:33:02,500 divided into three regiments. 666 00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:07,500 The 89th had 353, 354 and 355 regiments, 667 00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:12,660 and I was attached to the 355th. 668 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,960 - [Ralph] We continued to be in the army, 669 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,400 when we were in college. 670 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,600 They said, "You're going back into the army, 671 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,760 "and you're all going into the infantry." 672 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,800 We were all told, "You're all privates, 673 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,460 "no matter what your rank might have been 674 00:33:27,460 --> 00:33:28,960 "before you came to college." 675 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,560 We were put through the extensive training. 676 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,230 We were told that, "We want to be sure that you get 677 00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:37,300 "the best training you can possibly get." 678 00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:41,460 We were delayed a bit going to Europe, until they made the 679 00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:45,300 89th division a full man division, 680 00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:47,860 rather than a light division. 681 00:33:48,060 --> 00:33:51,660 We shipped out of Boston, and it was in February. 682 00:33:51,660 --> 00:33:55,600 The riggings were full of ice, it was cold as cold 683 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:56,800 can get. 684 00:33:57,030 --> 00:34:00,300 Seas in the winter time get pretty vicious, 685 00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:03,530 and we had a lot of sick boys on board. 686 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,560 We did not go to England, we landed in the heart of France. 687 00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:15,130 - [Voiceover] We unloaded at midnight, 688 00:34:16,700 --> 00:34:20,230 and we were sitting on top of trucks 689 00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:21,830 that were carrying guns. 690 00:34:21,830 --> 00:34:25,930 We almost froze to death going 25 miles to a camp. 691 00:34:25,930 --> 00:34:28,530 We got to the camp, and there were-- 692 00:34:28,530 --> 00:34:32,730 It was, I'd say, nine inches of snow on the ground. 693 00:34:32,730 --> 00:34:36,430 And there was a bunch of cots, 694 00:34:38,060 --> 00:34:39,930 but there was no tents. 695 00:34:39,930 --> 00:34:42,030 - [Voiceover] Well, I guess you know that the different 696 00:34:42,030 --> 00:34:44,260 camps were called by cigarette brands. 697 00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:47,630 Lucky Strike, Old Gold and Philip Morris, 698 00:34:47,630 --> 00:34:50,300 they were all designated as camp names. 699 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,300 - [Voiceover] It seems that every veteran I talked to 700 00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:54,860 has bad memories of Camp Lucky Strike. 701 00:34:54,860 --> 00:34:57,760 - [Voiceover] They had put cots in the tents, 702 00:34:58,060 --> 00:35:00,760 and the snow was all the way up to the top, 703 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,130 up to the cots. 704 00:35:02,130 --> 00:35:04,330 So when you lay, went to lay, 705 00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:06,160 you're slept on the snow really. 706 00:35:07,130 --> 00:35:09,660 - [Voiceover] When I first went into my tent on the 707 00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:13,660 first night, I took all the stuff out of my duffel bag, 708 00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:16,700 all my my clothing, my overcoat and all of that. 709 00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:18,300 - [Voiceover] Well, and the thing was that 710 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,200 quite a few of the guys lay on their cot 711 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,300 and put the blankets over them, 712 00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:29,930 and wound up with frost bite from below. 713 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,260 - [Voiceover] As it turns out, I made a mistake. 714 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,800 For the last year, I'd been researching the 89th division, 715 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,960 and what they did during the war. 716 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,130 But recently, my mom found an old newspaper in the attic, 717 00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:45,760 and it has my grandfather's obituary in it. 718 00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:50,330 - He wasn't in the 89th division, he was in the 65th. 719 00:35:50,660 --> 00:35:52,660 He was a platoon leader in B company, 720 00:35:52,660 --> 00:35:55,060 of the 365 medical battalion. 721 00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:59,230 I've been looking the wrong place for over a year. 722 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,300 I spend a few days frustrated, 723 00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:06,930 until I find a guy named Bob Patton, who sells books online 724 00:36:06,930 --> 00:36:09,060 about the 65th division. 725 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,230 When I email him about my grandfather, he sends me copies 726 00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:14,460 of all the letters to the 65th newsletter 727 00:36:14,460 --> 00:36:16,300 that my grandfather wrote. 728 00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:18,430 And letters from other vets that mention him. 729 00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:21,200 - [Voiceover] I was very interested to know that 730 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,130 someone else was hungry at Camp Lucky Strike. 731 00:36:24,130 --> 00:36:27,860 For years I forgailed my family and friends with stories of 732 00:36:27,860 --> 00:36:30,860 small frozen potatoes, cooked in water 733 00:36:30,860 --> 00:36:33,800 with a large dash of gasoline. 734 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,930 Some KP grabbed the wrong five gallon can. 735 00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:38,660 - With what? 736 00:36:38,660 --> 00:36:41,000 I don't know, this has becoming him. 737 00:36:41,260 --> 00:36:43,900 Our 365th medical battalion, snapshot sent by 738 00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:47,060 Lieutenant Don Johnson. 739 00:36:48,330 --> 00:36:50,030 Don G. Johnson. 740 00:36:50,030 --> 00:36:52,400 And this would be him here. 741 00:36:52,860 --> 00:36:55,030 He's just a little bit shorter than the other. 742 00:36:56,530 --> 00:37:01,530 The 65th division was activated in July of 1943. 743 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,960 It was the last division to be activated in World War II. 744 00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:09,900 In the middle of the ocean, as a result of the 745 00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:13,260 Battle of the Bulge, our orders were changed, 746 00:37:13,260 --> 00:37:17,700 and we were told that we were needed more on the mainland, 747 00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,200 than we were needed in England, so therefore, 748 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,560 we were to dock in L'Heure. 749 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,260 - [Voiceover] The entire world awaited the fateful outcome, 750 00:37:26,260 --> 00:37:28,860 as the armies of Nazi Germany lashed out in the 751 00:37:28,860 --> 00:37:31,260 counter offensive in the Arv Den. 752 00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:34,200 This was the Battle of the Bulge, the battle that came so 753 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,130 dangerously close to crushing allied 754 00:37:36,130 --> 00:37:37,800 hopes for early victory. 755 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,560 - [Voiceover] The orders were changed to go 756 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,930 straight to France, because the anticipation 757 00:37:43,930 --> 00:37:47,800 that we were going to be going into the Battle of the Bulge. 758 00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:53,700 Fortunately for all of us, the Battle of the Bulge ended. 759 00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:57,930 Well, everything was new to me, because I came from 760 00:37:57,930 --> 00:38:02,930 a small town, I was drafted at 18, I entered. 761 00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:08,500 Was inducted, I guess you call it, in those days at about 762 00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:13,300 near the end of 1943. 763 00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:16,360 And I just felt like I was a kid, 764 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,860 I didn't know where I was going 765 00:38:17,860 --> 00:38:19,830 or what I was getting into. 766 00:38:20,130 --> 00:38:22,360 - [Voiceover] With Bob's help, I meet Bud Waite, 767 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,730 a veteran of the 65th who lives a few miles 768 00:38:24,730 --> 00:38:26,560 from me in a Boston suburb. 769 00:38:29,830 --> 00:38:32,560 - [Bud] This one here, this is the bronze star. 770 00:38:34,930 --> 00:38:39,930 Camp Lucky Strike was near Metz, kinda near Metz, France, 771 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,630 and it was horrible. 772 00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:45,530 It was cold, it was muddy, 773 00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:50,530 we only had one helmet full of fuel per day, 774 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,500 to keep us warm. 775 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:59,100 So that was probably, could be perhaps the worst two weeks 776 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,800 we ever spent, was those two weeks at Camp Lucky Strike. 777 00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:05,860 - [Voiceover] It turns out that my research into the 89th 778 00:39:05,860 --> 00:39:07,830 wasn't wasted time at all. 779 00:39:07,830 --> 00:39:10,630 Both the 89 and 65th division spent the winter 780 00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:12,400 at Camp Lucky Strike. 781 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,730 The 65th, along with my grandfather, 782 00:39:14,730 --> 00:39:18,000 arrived on January 22nd, and the 89th got 783 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,860 there two days later. 784 00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:21,100 They would fight side by side across 785 00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:23,330 Europe for most of the spring. 786 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,130 - It took several days to get us from Camp Lucky Strike 787 00:39:26,130 --> 00:39:29,530 over to the Easter port, around the Metz area, 788 00:39:29,530 --> 00:39:33,060 and that was when we were really committed to hard combat 789 00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:37,200 with the enemy just across the street, in several cases. 790 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,100 - When we first went into combat, it was in the middle of 791 00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:43,100 the night, dark of the night. 792 00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:48,100 And as we advanced, we were advancing by the light 793 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,800 of the burning buildings. 794 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,460 We were moving pretty fast for a while, and then we'd run 795 00:39:54,460 --> 00:39:58,900 into stiff resistance, and then it would kinda 796 00:39:59,730 --> 00:40:02,830 clear out a little bit, and then we'd run into some more. 797 00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:06,000 Unfortunately, we saw lots of German soldiers 798 00:40:07,930 --> 00:40:10,830 dead on the ground as we were advancing, 799 00:40:10,830 --> 00:40:12,400 and stuff like that. 800 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,900 - I almost tell you, if I had a choice as far as 801 00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:19,630 the service was concerned, I would have been a 802 00:40:19,630 --> 00:40:23,030 conscientious objector, because I did not want 803 00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:24,630 to shoot any Germans. 804 00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:27,560 I did not have any desire to kill anybody. 805 00:40:27,860 --> 00:40:29,000 - I guess we had no, 806 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,500 we had little feelings or something. 807 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,930 People ask me, "Did you kill people? 808 00:40:34,930 --> 00:40:37,600 "Did you kill soldiers?" 809 00:40:37,730 --> 00:40:42,000 And honestly, I can not say if I did or not. 810 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,000 I fired at them, and at distances and so forth. 811 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,360 - [Voiceover] The 65th entered combat on 812 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,730 March seven, near Sarlaturn. 813 00:40:51,730 --> 00:40:54,600 Five days later, the 89th joined them on the line in 814 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,900 the nearby town of Trier. 815 00:40:57,730 --> 00:41:00,560 - [Voiceover] Well, unless you'd been there, 816 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,660 you couldn't understand it, really. 817 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,260 It's... 818 00:41:06,330 --> 00:41:07,700 You really... 819 00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:10,730 Well, you can't let it bear on your mind too much, 820 00:41:10,730 --> 00:41:11,960 that you might get killed, 821 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,800 but you do give that some thought. 822 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,730 - [Voiceover] It was unnerving to the fact that you just 823 00:41:17,730 --> 00:41:19,600 didn't know what you were getting into, 824 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,160 or what you're up against. 825 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,030 So, you just went and did what you could do. 826 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,400 - [Voiceover] As I talk with the veterans about their time 827 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,630 at war, the one story I keep coming back to 828 00:41:31,630 --> 00:41:33,560 is that of Ralph Rush. 829 00:41:33,930 --> 00:41:35,860 So when he invites me to his house on a small island 830 00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:39,060 near Seattle, I jump at the chance to meet him in person. 831 00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:41,260 We spend several days digging clams 832 00:41:41,260 --> 00:41:43,400 and talking about politics. 833 00:41:44,030 --> 00:41:47,200 He treats me like a grandson, and I'm glad I made the trip. 834 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,160 As we sit on his deck, I'm struck by how 835 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,260 beautiful the scenery is. 836 00:42:00,260 --> 00:42:02,930 Such a contrast to the story Ralph has to tell. 837 00:42:03,260 --> 00:42:05,500 - I was with an I&R platoon, 838 00:42:06,060 --> 00:42:08,600 which is Intelligence and Recognizance, 839 00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:11,160 Headquarters Company. 840 00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:16,430 We began to move fairly rapidly towards the front. 841 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,100 We got into some pretty heavy fighting. 842 00:42:20,030 --> 00:42:23,430 And our job was to find out the best we could, 843 00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:26,030 where the heavy material was. 844 00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:30,200 Well, you're scared to death. 845 00:42:31,730 --> 00:42:36,160 You're frightened of the situation, 846 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,800 you're frightened that you're not gonna be able to 847 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,960 do your required job. 848 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,400 You worry about your buddies. 849 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,360 We had a good camaraderie. 850 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:53,360 My jeep driver was Neil Cramer, and he would say to me, 851 00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:56,760 when I got out, he'd say, "Okay Ralph, 852 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,760 "you son of a bitch, remember I've got a wife and three 853 00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:06,800 "kids at home, and don't you get us into any trouble." 854 00:43:06,860 --> 00:43:10,600 [majestic instrumental music] 855 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,300 - [Voiceover] With one terrific blow, they have begun 856 00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:17,830 the last great battle in the West. 857 00:43:17,830 --> 00:43:20,230 Now, they will unload, deploy and drive forward 858 00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:22,330 for their objectives. 859 00:43:22,330 --> 00:43:24,000 The crossroads, the bridges, the strong points, 860 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,260 which might hinder the land armies, 861 00:43:26,260 --> 00:43:28,200 thrusting along behind them. 862 00:43:28,930 --> 00:43:33,360 - [Voiceover] The Rhine crossing was a real tough one. 863 00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:39,660 There were several companies that were instructed 864 00:43:39,660 --> 00:43:41,900 to go across first. 865 00:43:42,860 --> 00:43:47,860 The company E and company B lost tremendous amount 866 00:43:47,930 --> 00:43:50,130 of men, crossing the Rhine. 867 00:43:50,860 --> 00:43:55,860 The Germans had positioned themselves under the coverts 868 00:43:56,260 --> 00:43:59,000 of a number of the roads. 869 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:04,000 Then they had excellent guns, 20 millimeter guns and 88s, 870 00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:07,360 that shoot almost flat. 871 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:12,360 I think we almost lost all of E company, crossing. 872 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,900 Very few of 'em made it across, because they were just 873 00:44:18,130 --> 00:44:19,630 blown out of the water. 874 00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:23,800 It was a terrible day for the 89th. 875 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:25,930 I think they lost-- 876 00:44:25,930 --> 00:44:27,400 I don't know how many men they lost, 877 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,030 but we lost a-- 878 00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:34,760 A lot of great guys. 879 00:44:46,030 --> 00:44:47,860 - [Voiceover] Anna sent me this photo. 880 00:44:47,860 --> 00:44:50,100 It shows medics in company B tending to the wounded 881 00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:52,030 of the river crossing. 882 00:44:52,030 --> 00:44:54,730 I'm not sure if Don's in this picture, but it shows the 883 00:44:54,730 --> 00:44:56,530 kind of gruesome work that a medic would have 884 00:44:56,530 --> 00:44:59,660 done in combat, and it's the closest I have to a picture 885 00:44:59,660 --> 00:45:01,130 of Don at war. 886 00:45:01,130 --> 00:45:05,960 - Yes, we all remember the Rhine River real well. 887 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,660 And that is where we were engaged from that particular 888 00:45:09,660 --> 00:45:11,760 point on, chasing the Germans. 889 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,700 - What many of the soldiers envisioned themselves doing, 890 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,400 after a few weeks in combat only, 891 00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:22,360 was to take Germany's capital. 892 00:45:22,460 --> 00:45:25,200 It would have been a trophy in their eyes. 893 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,230 Of course, many of those very young soldiers never looked 894 00:45:29,830 --> 00:45:32,200 at the statistics at that time. 895 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,130 They had no clue how heavily Berlin was defended. 896 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:41,560 They did not really want to picture the 65th infantry 897 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,830 division's casualties, should they be sentenced, 898 00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:48,760 more or less, to capture the capital. 899 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,400 Eisenhower did not send them to Berlin, but ordered them to 900 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:58,400 shift course and come straight toward Bavaria from there on. 901 00:45:58,860 --> 00:46:03,660 Now as they took this particular turn, instead of marching 902 00:46:03,660 --> 00:46:08,460 into Berlin going South, at that corner, 903 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,300 the first very large concentration camp on 904 00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:14,000 German soil was discovered. 905 00:46:16,530 --> 00:46:20,030 [fast-paced piano music] 906 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,700 - [Voiceover] Before the war, the German town of Ohrdruf 907 00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:26,430 was best known for music. 908 00:46:26,430 --> 00:46:29,660 Beethoven had lived there, and Johann Sebastian Bach 909 00:46:29,660 --> 00:46:32,800 had composed some of his best known pieces in the city. 910 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,430 But music wasn't on the minds of the men of a small 911 00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:38,800 recognizance platoon, as they moved into the town. 912 00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:46,060 - The fourth army division was spearheading that effort, 913 00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:49,360 crossing Germany and ending up there, 914 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,960 along with the 89th Infantry Division. 915 00:46:53,330 --> 00:46:54,930 - It was early in the morning 916 00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:01,460 when we looked up, and on the top of this hill, 917 00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:06,030 there was a guard tower, the first thing I spotted, 918 00:47:06,830 --> 00:47:08,860 'cause I was out front. 919 00:47:09,860 --> 00:47:14,300 Then compound, obviously, of some distance. 920 00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:20,430 And we got up a little closer, and there were a few shots 921 00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:24,060 thrown at us, and we threw a few shots 922 00:47:24,060 --> 00:47:26,660 back with the 50 caliber. 923 00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:29,300 There weren't any more shots then. 924 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,000 So we continued on, climbed the side of the hill and up to 925 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,800 this compound, and we opened it, being very careful because 926 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,360 we had, had a few shots thrown at us. 927 00:47:45,930 --> 00:47:50,930 And here, laying on the ground in a circle in front of us, 928 00:47:57,500 --> 00:48:02,500 10 or 12 soldiers, either allied, British-- 929 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,030 - [Voiceover] And there's one American in the bunch, 930 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,330 and he was from Gardner, Mass-- 931 00:48:12,330 --> 00:48:16,630 Says, "American flyer from Garnder, Massachusetts," 932 00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:18,360 and I believe that I-- 933 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,530 I believe his last name was Wagner. 934 00:48:22,730 --> 00:48:25,530 Somebody was trying to make a statement, I think. 935 00:48:27,060 --> 00:48:32,060 Each had been shot behind the ear and were dead. 936 00:48:36,130 --> 00:48:36,930 There's no-- 937 00:48:36,930 --> 00:48:39,060 None of them were alive. 938 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,730 That made us mad as hell. 939 00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:54,900 And then we saw the poor, bedraggled, 940 00:48:58,030 --> 00:49:03,030 guys that had been the inmates of the camp. 941 00:49:04,860 --> 00:49:07,330 We realized we discovered something that 942 00:49:07,330 --> 00:49:10,700 was different than usual. 943 00:49:11,330 --> 00:49:13,300 - [Voiceover] There had been rumors of camps, 944 00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:15,200 but what Ralph and his platoon discovered, 945 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,430 was something that no allied soldier had ever expected. 946 00:49:18,430 --> 00:49:22,200 Ohrdruf was the first camp liberated by the allies. 947 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,530 - I did not go to Ohrdruf, I did not have the 948 00:49:25,530 --> 00:49:27,730 opportunity to go to Ohrdruf. 949 00:49:27,730 --> 00:49:30,030 I had to stay in battalion quarters, 950 00:49:30,030 --> 00:49:32,660 so all the rest of them could go to Ohrdruf. 951 00:49:32,660 --> 00:49:34,830 But they came back and told me all about it, 952 00:49:34,830 --> 00:49:36,430 and all the things that they saw there. 953 00:49:36,430 --> 00:49:41,430 - I don't imagine that the people who actually liberated 954 00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:45,730 them realized that there was anything like that, 955 00:49:45,730 --> 00:49:47,000 until they actually got there. 956 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,160 That's my own thoughts on it. 957 00:49:50,460 --> 00:49:53,430 They knew that it might be bad, but maybe not anywhere 958 00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:55,330 near as bad as it was. 959 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,860 - [Voiceover] As I remember it when I went in, 960 00:49:57,860 --> 00:50:02,460 there were a few people staggering around, and how they were 961 00:50:02,460 --> 00:50:04,830 able to stand up, I don't know, because it looked like 962 00:50:04,830 --> 00:50:08,430 the skin was just stretched over their bones. 963 00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:10,560 - [Voiceover] Now those bodies that you saw lying there, 964 00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,960 I was looking at, I walked right over those bodies. 965 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,260 And that building wasn't over 50 feet. 966 00:50:17,260 --> 00:50:19,260 The building stored-- 967 00:50:19,260 --> 00:50:22,730 Where they had bodies stack about five high, six high. 968 00:50:22,730 --> 00:50:25,660 It wasn't over 50 feet from where those bodies 969 00:50:25,660 --> 00:50:27,300 were lyin' on the ground. 970 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,600 - The bodies were being taken from the live shed, 971 00:50:33,330 --> 00:50:36,000 or the dead shed. 972 00:50:36,860 --> 00:50:41,860 There was a large pit with steel railroad tracks. 973 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,630 - [Voiceover] On the North side of the camp, 974 00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:50,360 going down the hill a little bit, they had rail-- 975 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,600 They had looked like small railroad railings, 976 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,530 up about two and a half, three feet off the ground, 977 00:50:56,530 --> 00:50:58,460 close together, and there was all kinds of 978 00:50:58,460 --> 00:51:00,560 burned body parts around there. 979 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,560 There'd be an arm laying over at the side, 980 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,230 that's hardly burn, that are just charcoal, you know. 981 00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:07,930 And a head with the hair still on it, 982 00:51:07,930 --> 00:51:09,600 and all that kind of stuff. 983 00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:16,900 - We couldn't believe man's inhumanity to man, it just... 984 00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:24,600 Just shocked us, literally shocked us to the point 985 00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:27,530 we couldn't believe what we saw. 986 00:51:30,830 --> 00:51:33,300 - [Voiceover] The commanding officer of-- 987 00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:35,760 I don't know who was our regiment or company, 988 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,330 but anyway, I don't recall his name, 989 00:51:38,330 --> 00:51:42,500 went into town and got a hold of the mayor, 990 00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:44,760 and brought him out to the Ohrdruf camp. 991 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,730 And when he saw it, he was just-- 992 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,360 I could tell that he wasn't puttin' anything on, 993 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,630 he was just completely shocked. 994 00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:57,830 And from what I understand Matthew, 995 00:51:57,830 --> 00:52:02,830 when he went back to his home, which was down a ways from 996 00:52:02,830 --> 00:52:04,800 the camp, he committed suicide. 997 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,800 - I had one chap come up to me, asking me to provide him 998 00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:15,300 with my gun, and of course I couldn't do that, 999 00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:16,800 and I told him no. 1000 00:52:16,860 --> 00:52:21,800 The German SS who were running the camp had taken a lot of 1001 00:52:22,430 --> 00:52:27,430 the clothing of the inmates, and changed clothes with them. 1002 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,460 He would know who they were, 1003 00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:34,000 and I would not. 1004 00:52:34,930 --> 00:52:39,730 And he said, again, "Will you give me a gun?" 1005 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:47,200 You have to take a chance, you have to make a decision that 1006 00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:55,500 balance what you think is right, and what's wrong. 1007 00:52:55,900 --> 00:52:58,530 And I came to the conclusion that he was telling the truth. 1008 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,500 - [Voiceover] As the Americans searched the compound, 1009 00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:03,260 they found a number of dead SS guards dressed in the 1010 00:53:03,260 --> 00:53:05,400 same clothes as the prisoners. 1011 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,600 - Actually there were two orders of sub camps, 1012 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,260 but the big order sub camp, which would be the one that 1013 00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:15,000 was liberated by the Americans in April 1945, 1014 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,400 was set up in November '44. 1015 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,860 It was called S3, that was its code name, 1016 00:53:19,860 --> 00:53:23,130 and what it was intended for, was a huge labor camp 1017 00:53:23,130 --> 00:53:28,130 for outfitting the basement of the Millburn Castle, 1018 00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:32,760 purpose of which was to create a massive communications 1019 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:37,760 center for the Nazi regime, in the event of the relocation 1020 00:53:38,260 --> 00:53:40,030 out of Berlin. 1021 00:53:40,030 --> 00:53:41,660 It was particularly for the-- 1022 00:53:41,660 --> 00:53:44,560 Kind of a high command communications center. 1023 00:53:45,930 --> 00:53:47,160 - [Voiceover] What the soldiers found at Ohrdruf, 1024 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,500 was a camp that was nearly empty. 1025 00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:52,300 As the allied troops moved into Germany, 1026 00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:54,700 the Nazis had evacuated many of the camps, 1027 00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:56,960 and forced the prisoners onto death marches, 1028 00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,760 to the center of the camp at Buchenwald. 1029 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,060 At Neter Rochelle, that was the fate of Steven Fenves. 1030 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,760 - On first of April, 1945, we were marched out, 1031 00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:15,500 and 10 days later, we arrived in Buchenwald. 1032 00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:24,030 I knew that things were different, the chimney was 1033 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:29,200 not smoking, the inner gate was open, 1034 00:54:29,860 --> 00:54:31,700 a quarantine area. 1035 00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:36,800 And so they marched us in, and pointed us to the barracks, 1036 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,030 and I collapsed. 1037 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,860 Late the following day, 1038 00:54:42,860 --> 00:54:45,100 I think it was early afternoon, I'm not sure of the 1039 00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:48,260 exact time, people shook me awake to tell me that 1040 00:54:48,260 --> 00:54:53,260 the Americans had arrived, and we ran up the steep slope. 1041 00:54:55,230 --> 00:54:59,060 We were yelling, screaming, waving to the armored carriers, 1042 00:54:59,060 --> 00:55:01,260 and jeeps, and tanks. 1043 00:55:01,930 --> 00:55:04,900 - This was something of tremendous importance for, 1044 00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:07,430 I think, especially, the American army. 1045 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,400 We may not have known what we were fighting for, 1046 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:11,930 but once we saw the camps, 1047 00:55:11,930 --> 00:55:13,530 we knew what we were fighting against. 1048 00:55:14,330 --> 00:55:15,660 - [Voiceover] On the wall outside the 1049 00:55:15,660 --> 00:55:17,860 Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC, 1050 00:55:17,860 --> 00:55:19,260 is a block of text. 1051 00:55:19,530 --> 00:55:22,000 Of the millions of words written about the Holocaust, 1052 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,460 they've chosen those of Dwight Eisenhower. 1053 00:55:24,530 --> 00:55:27,430 - [Dwight] The things I saw beg a description. 1054 00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:30,660 The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, 1055 00:55:30,660 --> 00:55:34,900 cruelty, and bestiality were so overpowering. 1056 00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:36,960 I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in 1057 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,000 a position to give first hand evidence of these things, 1058 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,730 if ever in the future there develops a tendency to 1059 00:55:42,730 --> 00:55:45,460 charge these allegations to propaganda. 1060 00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:49,860 - Because it was the first major concentration camp 1061 00:55:49,860 --> 00:55:54,200 in Germany, Eisenhower was there. 1062 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,000 He seized, very wisely, that opportunity. 1063 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,300 Sent all the men available to take a look at the atrocities, 1064 00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:06,200 to witness what has happened, and to get a mental image 1065 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,000 what they are fighting against. 1066 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,460 - [Voiceover] The murder mill at Ohrdruf 1067 00:56:15,460 --> 00:56:19,530 brings out the full horror and bestiality of the Nazi scum. 1068 00:56:19,530 --> 00:56:22,060 And General Eisenhower, a man hardened by the blood 1069 00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:24,560 and shock of war, seems appalled at 1070 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,530 these unbelievable sights. 1071 00:56:31,860 --> 00:56:34,800 Accompanied by General Bradley on his revolting mission, 1072 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,700 and also by General Patton, hard boiled yet visibly moved, 1073 00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:40,460 the supreme commander sees demonstrations 1074 00:56:40,460 --> 00:56:42,700 of the torture racks. 1075 00:56:43,460 --> 00:56:45,300 - General Patton, when he arrived there, 1076 00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:49,330 the odors and such were so horrible, that he went behind 1077 00:56:49,330 --> 00:56:51,460 the barracks and upchucked. 1078 00:56:51,460 --> 00:56:53,760 And he was embarrassed that he couldn't handle it. 1079 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,600 - [Voiceover] In the week after Ohrdruf was liberated, 1080 00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,930 the American soldiers uncovered several more camps. 1081 00:56:58,930 --> 00:57:00,660 On April 11th, they liberated the infamous 1082 00:57:00,660 --> 00:57:03,200 Dora- Mittelbau at Nordhausen. 1083 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,400 And later that same day, they uncovered the 1084 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,400 huge camp at Buchenwald. 1085 00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,430 - Many of the men in the 65th Infantry Division who 1086 00:57:12,430 --> 00:57:17,400 were available, not immediately on frontline duty, 1087 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,600 did go to one of these concentration camps. 1088 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,800 Most did go to Dora-Mittlebau. 1089 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,030 Some may have ended up in Ohrdruf. 1090 00:57:30,300 --> 00:57:33,960 [ominous music] 1091 00:57:43,830 --> 00:57:46,030 [camera clicking] 1092 00:58:07,460 --> 00:58:11,200 [muffled voices over radio] 1093 01:00:04,930 --> 01:00:06,660 - God, yes. 1094 01:00:07,730 --> 01:00:09,360 Some of these pictures that your 1095 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,800 grandfather had are remarkable. 1096 01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:17,900 They show some evidence that I didn't show. 1097 01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:23,760 Can't believe it, still can't believe it. 1098 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,000 - The ones that are most upsetting are 1099 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,630 the ones where they're-- 1100 01:00:29,630 --> 01:00:32,460 Not the corpses, but the ones that are still alive. 1101 01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,360 The walking corpses. 1102 01:00:38,260 --> 01:00:40,700 - Some of these pictures I have never seen before. 1103 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,530 Your grandfather was very good at taking these pictures. 1104 01:00:48,830 --> 01:00:50,430 - [Voiceover] Judy Cohen is the director of the 1105 01:00:50,430 --> 01:00:52,830 Holocost Museum's photo archives. 1106 01:00:52,830 --> 01:00:55,560 And Jacek Nowakowski is the Senior Curator, 1107 01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,660 who created the permanent exhibit. 1108 01:00:57,660 --> 01:01:00,160 I've arranged to talk with them about Don's photos, 1109 01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,400 before I donate them to their collection. 1110 01:01:02,660 --> 01:01:04,200 - This is definitely Ohrdruf-- 1111 01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:05,330 - [Jacek] Ohrdruf, right. 1112 01:01:05,330 --> 01:01:06,730 - [Judy] Because we have the tracks, 1113 01:01:06,730 --> 01:01:07,930 and this is what you saw when you were 1114 01:01:07,930 --> 01:01:09,530 in the exhibition today. 1115 01:01:09,530 --> 01:01:10,760 - [Jacek] When you enter this. 1116 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,400 - You were looking at it from the other angle, 1117 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,900 but it's the same tracks with the bodies stacked 1118 01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:17,800 as cord wood and then burned. 1119 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,260 - [Jacek] It's a small stack of bodies. 1120 01:01:20,260 --> 01:01:21,730 - Um. 1121 01:01:21,830 --> 01:01:23,700 - [Jacek] That also could be Ohrdruf. 1122 01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:24,530 - Yeah. 1123 01:01:24,530 --> 01:01:26,260 - [Jacek] Yeah, it's... 1124 01:01:26,530 --> 01:01:27,930 - Hard to tell. 1125 01:01:27,930 --> 01:01:32,030 - [Jacek] It says, "survivors," that's really difficult 1126 01:01:32,030 --> 01:01:33,860 to say where it is. 1127 01:01:33,860 --> 01:01:35,030 - Look at this little girl, 1128 01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:36,400 I just noticed her for the first time. 1129 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:37,760 - [Jacek] Yeah. 1130 01:01:39,330 --> 01:01:41,800 - I wonder how she got there, and what she's doing. 1131 01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:48,430 - [Jacek] Here's the survivor camp doctors, in 16. 1132 01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,500 - This is the same person but 1133 01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:52,260 without the doctors. 1134 01:01:53,630 --> 01:01:56,300 - [Jacek] "A survivor still fit for some work." 1135 01:01:57,630 --> 01:01:58,800 Huh. 1136 01:02:01,730 --> 01:02:03,760 - Okay, here we're moving into the ones 1137 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,500 we talked about before. 1138 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,260 - [Jacek] It says, "New inmates at a camp, 1139 01:02:09,260 --> 01:02:11,660 "still in some kind of shape." 1140 01:02:12,260 --> 01:02:14,030 - And these are the ones that we think look 1141 01:02:14,030 --> 01:02:16,560 more like Mount Hausen. 1142 01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,200 As you can see, the quarry in the background. 1143 01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:26,560 - The men, usually, can not distinguish to this day, 1144 01:02:26,860 --> 01:02:29,930 which one of those concentration camps 1145 01:02:29,930 --> 01:02:31,860 that they actually were at. 1146 01:02:31,860 --> 01:02:35,060 Many, of course, did not have a lot of time, 1147 01:02:35,060 --> 01:02:37,800 so it was a matter of minutes, maybe an hour, 1148 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:42,000 that they took out of their busy frontline duty, 1149 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,500 to take a look at the atrocities. 1150 01:02:44,500 --> 01:02:47,200 These pictures, none the less, haunt these men. 1151 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:52,200 Many of them talk about Buchenwald or Ohrdruf, 1152 01:02:53,730 --> 01:02:56,100 whether it actually is that camp, 1153 01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:58,200 or a neighboring concentration camp. 1154 01:02:58,860 --> 01:03:00,360 - [Voiceover] I wish I could claim some 1155 01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,460 greater share of actually liberating these camps. 1156 01:03:03,460 --> 01:03:06,430 I was rather small potatoes at the time. 1157 01:03:06,430 --> 01:03:10,000 I did see two more camps before I came home. 1158 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,800 One prior to clean up, and Dachau after. 1159 01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:17,200 The memory of Ohrdruf, particularly, 1160 01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,200 is engraved upon my memory. 1161 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,560 I keep the pictures close at hand, and have made a point 1162 01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,660 of looking at them frequently. 1163 01:03:24,930 --> 01:03:26,830 - We were liberating, there was two, three, four 1164 01:03:26,830 --> 01:03:30,300 or five of 'em a day, running into 'em, 1165 01:03:30,300 --> 01:03:32,830 and different people running into different camps 1166 01:03:32,830 --> 01:03:34,500 and everything, as far as that goes. 1167 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,100 As we approached the building at Mauthausen, 1168 01:03:38,100 --> 01:03:42,600 there was this great wall that surrounded it with the gates. 1169 01:03:43,730 --> 01:03:48,730 We were aware of something that was different, 1170 01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:54,160 and that was the odor, that was, oh miles, 1171 01:03:54,660 --> 01:03:56,860 several miles from the camp itself. 1172 01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:01,000 And that odor was the odor of death, it was an unusual odor 1173 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,000 that once you smell it, you won't forget it. 1174 01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,730 - It's stuck in my mind, I can see them now, 1175 01:04:07,730 --> 01:04:09,400 as I look back there. 1176 01:04:10,300 --> 01:04:12,100 - Oh, when I came back from the war, 1177 01:04:15,500 --> 01:04:18,300 I was tired, tired of war, 1178 01:04:19,630 --> 01:04:21,600 tired of the things that we had seen. 1179 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,860 Washed it pretty well, the war and my 1180 01:04:26,860 --> 01:04:29,000 experiences out of my... 1181 01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:32,600 Well, couldn't get it out of my mind, 1182 01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,330 but out of my thinking. 1183 01:04:34,700 --> 01:04:39,430 - This is so horrible, that you get your mind on this 1184 01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:41,600 and sometimes you wake up at four o' clock in the morning, 1185 01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,800 or two o'clock in the morning, with this thing 1186 01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,330 on your mind, you can't get it off. 1187 01:04:48,330 --> 01:04:51,200 - I didn't talk, not even to my family, 1188 01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:55,760 until the early 70s, 1189 01:04:56,860 --> 01:05:00,500 when I did have some serious psychological problems. 1190 01:05:03,830 --> 01:05:05,230 - [Voiceover] After all this, 1191 01:05:05,230 --> 01:05:07,500 what do I know about my grandfather? 1192 01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:10,260 All of this work and research has let me walk in his shoes 1193 01:05:10,260 --> 01:05:13,460 for just one day, the day he visited the 1194 01:05:13,460 --> 01:05:15,500 concentration camp at Ohrdruf. 1195 01:05:16,830 --> 01:05:20,300 I can see now the fear, the horror, 1196 01:05:20,300 --> 01:05:23,700 and the guilt that the soldiers must have felt. 1197 01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,800 How do you tell your wife or your daughter 1198 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,830 about these terrible things? 1199 01:05:29,630 --> 01:05:31,900 I can see why he kept them from the family. 1200 01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:35,430 And after a while, how that silence became easy, 1201 01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:38,400 easier than digging up the past. 1202 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,700 - I was convinced the first photo that you see, 1203 01:05:43,700 --> 01:05:46,230 when you go to the fourth floor, you start at Ohrdruf, 1204 01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:48,460 because that's the first one that was found. 1205 01:05:48,460 --> 01:05:49,660 I was just convinced that one of the people in it was 1206 01:05:49,660 --> 01:05:52,430 my father, because it-- 1207 01:05:52,430 --> 01:05:55,160 I could name a whole bunch of different characteristics, 1208 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,330 that made it think like my father. 1209 01:05:57,500 --> 01:06:01,260 - You know, we start the story with those photographs. 1210 01:06:01,260 --> 01:06:04,800 This is how the United States learned about the atrocities. 1211 01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,800 So our story goes this way, this is how you learn about 1212 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:11,230 the atrocities, and then we try to explain how did 1213 01:06:11,230 --> 01:06:13,460 it happen, what happened, 1214 01:06:13,460 --> 01:06:16,460 and what were the aftermath of this. 1215 01:06:16,460 --> 01:06:18,730 - [Voiceover] So you begin your story with Ohrdruf, 1216 01:06:18,730 --> 01:06:19,900 the first camp liberated. 1217 01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:21,360 - Yes. 1218 01:06:25,500 --> 01:06:27,660 - [Voiceover] Touring the Holocaust Memorial Museum, 1219 01:06:27,660 --> 01:06:30,200 I'm reminded of the power of images. 1220 01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,900 We take pictures to remember times of meaning, 1221 01:06:32,900 --> 01:06:34,830 whether they're birthdays, or weddings, 1222 01:06:34,830 --> 01:06:37,830 or maybe an indescribable horror. 1223 01:06:38,900 --> 01:06:42,160 Don took his pictures as a way of remembering what he saw. 1224 01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,200 And even if he never told their story to the family, 1225 01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,560 he wanted them shared with the world. 1226 01:06:46,860 --> 01:06:48,600 Their memory might have died with him, 1227 01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,600 but instead, I found them. 1228 01:06:50,830 --> 01:06:53,030 It took me a long time to meet the people who could 1229 01:06:53,030 --> 01:06:55,460 help me understand, and to collect the stories of 1230 01:06:55,460 --> 01:06:57,460 Ralph Rush and Bud Waite, 1231 01:06:57,460 --> 01:07:00,230 of Steven Fenvas, and Anna Rosmus, 1232 01:07:00,230 --> 01:07:02,900 of my family and all of us who've come later, 1233 01:07:02,900 --> 01:07:04,630 looking for answers. 1234 01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:06,730 I could have put Don's photos in a box, 1235 01:07:06,730 --> 01:07:10,230 and forgotten about them, like I did for 16 years. 1236 01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:12,230 But I now know that it's been my responsibility 1237 01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:14,000 to bring them to this museum, 1238 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,260 so others can know what he saw. 1239 01:07:16,260 --> 01:07:18,330 It's been my duty to keep his story alive, 1240 01:07:18,330 --> 01:07:21,660 since the first day I heard of these 16 photographs. 1241 01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,360 [solemn instrumental music] 1242 01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,900 [projector reel clicking] 98083

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