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[upbeat classic music]
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[ominous music]
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- [Voiceover] We
couldn't believe
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man's inhumanity to man.
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It just...
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It just shocked us.
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Literally shocked
us to the point.
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We couldn't believe what we saw.
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- [Voiceover] At
two in the morning
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on Christmas Eve of
1995, my sister and I
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opened this trunk and
took out an envelope.
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Inside was a small
stack of photographs
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that our grandfather had taken
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while he was at war.
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The only light we had
came from a small lamp
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left over from my
uncle's childhood.
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Earlier that day our
grandmother had threatened
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to destroy the pictures.
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Slowly and quietly
we laid them out
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on the top of the trunk
and I used the last roll
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of film in my camera
to make copies.
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I could barely look at them.
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They were so gruesome and sad.
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Sixteen years have
passed since then,
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but I now have a reason
to print those negatives.
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As a teenager I saw the
horror in the pictures,
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but I never thought about
the man who took them,
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the young soldier
behind the view finder
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snapping the shutter.
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My grandfather may be dead,
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but his pictures tell a
story of his time at war.
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It's a story of mass murder.
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Of a Holocaust and a liberation.
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It's a story of silence.
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And once I tried to
understand the photos
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I realized that it was
the story of hundreds,
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even thousands of
others like me.
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The chaos of World
War II was much more
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than I could ever
hope to understand,
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but I have these 16
pictures and for me
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they're the key to
unlocking a family secret
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that's only ever been
told in whispers.
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[somber music]
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- [Voiceover] Tucked
into the mountains
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of Vermont is the tiny
town of East Dorset.
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The marble quarry here
is the oldest in America
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and it's the home
of Bill Wilson,
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founder of
Alcoholic's Anonymous.
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It's the kind of town where
everyone knows each other
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and where Memorial
Day is celebrated
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with flags and motorcycles
and church services.
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On Pleasant Street is the
house my grandfather built
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on a plot carved
out of the woodlands
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where my great grandfather
once tapped for maple syrup.
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This is where my mom grew up
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and we've come to
try to untangle
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the story of the photos.
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- [Voiceover] Do you
remember Don talking
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about the war very much?
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- Not much, no.
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I do know he would say he
was General Patton's driver
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and I knew he had been
in concentration camps,
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but he didn't talk about it.
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- [Voiceover] We
talked for a while
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about family history, but
eventually I have to ask
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about the photos that I
shouldn't even know exist.
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- [Voiceover] How did
you feel when I told you
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that Martha and I had
made copies of them?
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- Well, by the time I
knew that I was glad
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because I knew my mother
wanted to get rid of them
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and I don't feel they
should be gotten rid of.
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- [Voiceover] I guess
everything starts there.
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[instrumental Christmas music]
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- [Voiceover] In
the winter of '95
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I was studying
photography in Boston.
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I'm not sure why, but when
I left town for Christmas
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I only had one roll
of film with me.
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I took a few pictures
on my way out of town
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and the rest of the
roll is very different.
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Those copies I made of my
grandfather's pictures.
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This is the room where I've
slept since I was a kid.
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It had been my uncle's bedroom
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and later my grandpa's office.
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My sister Martha, was with me
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the night I made the
copies of the photos
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and as I stand in this room
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I wonder if she remembers
things the way I do.
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- [Voiceover] Not
really, I mean I remember
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what my mom talked about it
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a few months ago, I remember
her talking about you
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finding all these
pictures of grandpa
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and you know, that he
saw in the Holocaust
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that they took pictures of.
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I don't remember it as a kid.
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I remember our dad
talking about it.
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I remember, you know, grandma
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but she never talked about it.
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I don't think she
liked to think about it
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so she didn't want
them around probably.
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- [Voiceover] I've
often thought about
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how I first heard of
the Ohrdruf photos.
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Don was always very
silent about the war,
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but there were clues
to what he had seen.
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I was the oldest grandkid,
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but I was only 14 when he died.
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He only mentioned
his pictures once
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while we were stacking
wood in the barn.
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So this is what I know
after all these years.
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No one really remembers
why we felt compelled
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to copy the photos,
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to save them from
some vague threat
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from my grandmother, but we did.
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Now all I'm left with
are my own memories,
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which are confusing
and incomplete.
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[instrumental hymn music]
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My grandmother has
played the organ
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in her church every Sunday
since Eisenhower was President.
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She lives a life of discipline
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and unbending principle.
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In her home there is
no sugar, no salt,
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no caffeine, no alcohol.
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Recently my grandmother
has been giving away
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Don's books and papers,
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and I worry that she's
gave away his pictures too.
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I wanna ask her about them,
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but she keeps putting me off,
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so I follow her
around with my camera
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hoping she'll tell
me where they are.
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So my first question is
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when did you meet
your husband Don?
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Eventually she
agrees to sit down
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for an interview.
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Her memory has faded and
she doesn't say much.
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I'm not sure if she's
scared of the cameras
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or if she really can't remember,
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but it looks like I'm gonna
have to wait a little longer
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before I can ask her where
the pictures have gone.
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- I think they were very
typical boys, kinda rowdy.
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Preacher's kids, you know?
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So they had to be
bad because they
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were the preacher's kids.
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- [Voiceover] Is that the
rule, you have to be bad?
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- Yeah, you have to
like rebel against
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being the preacher's kids.
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My Uncle Warren was the oldest,
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and then there was Uncle Bob,
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and then my dad
was the youngest,
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and they were all about
two-and-a-half years apart.
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- [Voiceover] Like
many families,
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we keep our history in snapshots
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and half remembered
stories so we start looking
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through old photos,
piecing together the life
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of Donald Johnson.
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- I think my dad came back
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and he had a very
successful job.
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He became a banker and,
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You know, he made a good living.
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He was able to build a
nice house and everything
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and I think my Uncle Warren
had a more difficult time
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maybe getting jobs.
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The other thing was
he was the oldest
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and my dad was the youngest,
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so it's possible he had
some of the sibling rivalry,
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unconscious probably, of
the older and the younger
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and actually the younger
probably being more successful.
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- [Voiceover] The Don I
remember was an old man,
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a grandpa, but the pictures
tell another story.
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How do you explain a full life?
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Here was a man who
fought in the war
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and came home to start over.
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He built his own house
and had a good job.
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He was a father and a husband.
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Raising two kids in a
conservative, but loving home.
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He served in the
National Guard from 1957
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until retiring as a
Captain in the '80s.
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Does any of that
really get to the heart
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of who he was?
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So which one is which?
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- This is Warren, and this
is Bob, and this is Don.
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1939.
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- [Voiceover] Which one is you?
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- Me.
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- [Voiceover] The smaller one.
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- [Voiceover] Wow.
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Nice mustaches.
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[laughing]
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That seems like a
lot to get through.
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- Holocaust.
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- [Man] Now that,
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if you wouldn't mind
holding onto that
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for just a second.
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That is what...
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So could you...
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- [laughing] My report cards
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when I was little.
- [Man] Your report cards?
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Well, here, why don't we open up
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the one that says Holocaust?
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- Order right here.
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David Thum.
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I never saw these.
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He never showed 'em to me.
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Oh, gosh.
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Oh, I don't wanna...
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- [Voiceover] What I wanna
know is what this is.
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These are the originals.
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It says pictures
taken at Ohrdruf.
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First death camp
overrun, April 1945.
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Then picture one
is of the lyme pit.
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Picture two...
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- He never showed me these.
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- [Voiceover] He never showed
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you those?
- [Voiceover] No, no.
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- [Voiceover] Then he
never talked about it,
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but this is a list
of the pictures.
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So these are survivors.
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I don't...
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They have numbers on them.
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So one is a lyme pit,
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and two is clothing,
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and this is three.
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So he'd labeled them all.
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Three.
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Oh, that's gross.
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This is, it's a...
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It was used to
incinerate the bodies.
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Oh.
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I'm just reading the
rest of this list,
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doesn't look very pleasant,
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but these, so these are the,
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so these are the pictures
that grandpa took.
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[ominous music]
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And he never showed them to you?
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- No.
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- I'm sorry to have to dig up
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all this old stuff.
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- I don't like it.
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- [Voiceover] That night
after my grandmother
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has gone to bed, we start
looking through Don's books
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for pages that he
might have marked
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and clues he might
have left behind.
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We decide to take
out his pictures
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and look them over
one more time.
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- I can't imagine
bein' 20 years old
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and walkin' into this.
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[peaceful instrumental music]
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- [Voiceover] Of the
few things that I can
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remember about Don
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it's his work on
the Ambulance Corp
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that stands out the most.
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He was always
running off to answer
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an emergency call
and to this day
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my grandmother leaves
the police scanner on
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in the living room
even though the EMS
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has gone digital and the
scanner is now silent.
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- He went on the Ambulance
Corp after he retired.
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I won't say he was always
easy to get along with,
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so I have a feeling
as management
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and times changed in
the bank they kind of
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wanted to push him out.
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So he was looking
for something to do
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and I guess he had
always loved the medic
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aspect of his work in the war.
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So he became an EMT.
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He had surgery
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to have a lung removed in the
middle of '90, late in '90.
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Just before Marty
and I got married.
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In fact, we had to
change our wedding date.
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He made it to our wedding.
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I'm sure that was
more difficult for him
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than we knew at the time.
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But he eventually just, ya know,
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he just sort of got
worse and worse.
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The radiation and
the chemotherapy
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just kind of didn't cure it.
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When they knew there was
really nothing else to do
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they gave him
medicine he could take
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to prevent the pain
or to ease the pain.
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There was a hospital
bed right here,
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in the middle of
the living room.
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Just mom and I were here
when he died, no one else.
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People in and out all the time,
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but as it turned
out just mom and I
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were here when he died.
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[bagpipes playing
"Amazing Grace"]
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- [Voiceover] I'll never
forget Don's funeral.
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There was a bagpiper
on the hill,
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and I stood by his grave
in the hot August sun,
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mumbling the words to Amazing
Grace under my breath.
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[somber instrumental music]
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Back in Boston it
takes me a few days
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before I open up the envelope.
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Even though I went to Vermont
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with a plan to get the pictures,
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part of me hadn't really
expected to come home with them.
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I read through the letters,
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which are mostly from
the United States
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Holocaust Memorial Council
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who would later build
the museum in DC.
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The letters date back to 1979,
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but the most
important is the one
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written by my grandfather.
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- [Voiceover] We were
present at Ohrdruf,
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the first of the
death camps uncovered.
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I have some snapshots
of scenes there.
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Members of my platoon shared
what little film we had
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and I have my set of prints.
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Our negatives disappeared
in Linz, Austria
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and we were told that
counter intelligence
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had confiscated them.
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I'm enclosing copies of these.
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- [Voiceover] The date
on the back of the copies
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is November 1984.
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Amazingly, 27 years later,
the phone number still works.
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- Hello?
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- Yes, this is Mathew.
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Pictures of the liberation
of a concentration camp
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during World War II.
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So, do you even remember
making the copies?
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Oh.
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They're pretty
gruesome, I have to say.
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- [Voiceover] I had hoped
that he could tell me more.
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That maybe my grandfather
had told him his story
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when he asked for the
copies, but no luck.
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[slow classical music]
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- [Voiceover] So 20
years after his death
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I finally have his photos.
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I was so worried my
grandmother had destroyed them,
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but now they're safe with me,
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but reading through the letters
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I feel confused and
a bit frustrated
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because I have no
idea what they tell me
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about his life.
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- [Voiceover] The
memory of Ohrdruf,
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particularly is
engraved upon my memory.
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I keep the pictures
close at hand
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and have made a point of
looking at them frequently.
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- [Voiceover] Where was Ohrdruf
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and how did he end up there?
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What exactly is the story
told by these pictures?
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The truth is that I'm not
a researcher or historian.
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Just a grandson
trying to understand.
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I'm a photographer
and I point a camera
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at the world to learn about it,
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so my research into
Ohrdruf takes a long time.
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Even though the internet
is full of information
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about dates and locations
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I still can't connect the
horror of these photos
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to the cold facts.
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Many of the articles I find
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refer to one interview from 2008
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with a veteran
named Charles Payne.
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He's the great uncle
of President Obama
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and the article came
out a week after
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Obama caused a scandal
on the campaign trail.
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- I had a uncle
who was one of the,
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Who was part of the
first American troops
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to go into Auschwitz
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and liberate the
concentration camps.
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- So why is everyone up in arms?
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Well, first, Auschwitz
was liberated
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by the Soviet Army and second,
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Senator Obama's American
mother didn't have a brother.
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- [Voiceover] First,
Obama didn't have an uncle
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who served in the US Army.
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Second, Russian forces liberated
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the Auschwitz
concentration camp in
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Poland in January of 1945.
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- [Voiceover] For a
week Obama's opponents
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hyped his mistake
until the AP article
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about Mr. Payne came out.
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In it he said that it wasn't
Auschwitz that he liberated,
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but the sub-camp of
Buchenwald called Ohrdruf.
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To be honest, as excited
as I might have been
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to make this connection
between my grandfather
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and the president, I wasn't
really all that thrilled
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about spending a year of my life
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immersed in the gruesomeness
of the Holocaust.
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But as I started
doing my research
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and learning more about the camp
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and the men who
liberated it, I realized
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that I really needed
to know what happened
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in April of 1945.
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The problem was where to begin.
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I decided to call Mr. Payne.
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He's kind and talks
with me a little,
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but refuses to let me
record the conversation.
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He gets off the phone
as quickly as he can.
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As I hang up I realize that
in my rush to talk to him
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I hadn't thought about
all the horrible memories
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I was forcing him to relive.
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In fact, I had no real idea
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what those soldiers saw when
they liberated the camps.
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My guilt about how badly I
handled things with Mr. Payne
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almost made me forget
something he told me
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in our conversation.
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That he had served in the
89th Infantry Division.
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That led me to Mark Kitchell.
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00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,900
Mark helped his dad
run the 89th website
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and they had been dragged into
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00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:22,130
the controversy around Obama.
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- [Voiceover] Some of the
emails had been pretty nasty,
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00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:44,930
so his first responses to
me were really defensive,
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but eventually
when he understood
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00:18:46,460 --> 00:18:47,930
what I was trying to do
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he agreed to help me find
some veterans to talk to.
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- [Voiceover] I didn't
know it at the time,
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00:19:11,230 --> 00:19:12,900
but in the months to come
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Mark would have a huge
influence on my life.
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So here I was, waiting for Mark
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to help me find some veterans.
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Trying to connect my
pictures to April 1945.
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I didn't know what else to do.
414
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,600
All I really knew was
that my grandfather
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had been at Ohrdruf and
that the 89th Division
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had liberated that camp,
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but how do I find one soldier
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in a war of millions?
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00:19:35,260 --> 00:19:38,460
[ominous music]
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[projector reels clicking]
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The Holocaust looms large
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in our cultural memory.
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Places like Buchenwald
and Auschwitz
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are permanently ingrained
in the American Psyche.
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Images of the suffering
inflicted in those camps
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have forever shaped
how we remember
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00:19:58,900 --> 00:20:00,360
World War II.
428
00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:03,530
Writers like Elie
Wiesel and film makers
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00:20:03,530 --> 00:20:06,100
like Steven Spielberg
have turned the memories
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00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:08,560
of the camps into a
cultural language.
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00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,800
Something we all
recognize immediately.
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00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:16,460
Yet, as I look at my
grandfather's photos
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00:20:16,460 --> 00:20:17,930
I realize that I
know nothing at all
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00:20:17,930 --> 00:20:19,500
about what he saw.
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00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,360
In fact, other than the
general Holocaust images
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00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:25,500
of movies and documentaries
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00:20:25,500 --> 00:20:27,030
I can't say for
certain what a soldier
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like Don would have seen.
439
00:20:29,530 --> 00:20:31,730
So I start looking for
people who can help me.
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00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:33,900
- [Voiceover] It's
already understood,
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00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:35,660
even when the Nazi's were,
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00:20:36,060 --> 00:20:37,400
before they came to power,
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00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,360
that the Nazi's wanted to set up
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some kind of
concentration camps.
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00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,000
- [Voiceover] Long
before American soldiers
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started fighting in Europe,
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00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:47,060
the Nazi's had
been killing people
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00:20:47,060 --> 00:20:49,000
in concentration camps.
449
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,130
Geoffrey Megargee
and Joseph White
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are senior researchers
at the Holocaust Museum.
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00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,260
They helped me fill
in some details,
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00:20:55,260 --> 00:20:57,400
and we talk about
their new book.
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00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,560
- The United States
Holocaust Memorial Museum
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Encyclopedia of
Camps and Ghettos.
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- I began in January of 2000.
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And, at the time, we were told
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that we were looking
at probably about
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between five and 7000
sites that we had to cover.
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00:21:14,730 --> 00:21:16,230
We then started our research,
460
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:18,630
and the numbers have been
expanding ever since.
461
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:20,830
We're up to somewhere between,
462
00:21:20,900 --> 00:21:23,360
well, probably close to
30,000 at this point.
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00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,760
The first volume covers
the so-called "early camps"
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that the Nazi's set up on
an ad hoc basis in 1933,
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and then that
system evolved into
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the series of main
concentration camps.
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The big names that
most people know,
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Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen,
Buchenwald, and so on.
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About 24 of those and
about 900 sub-camps.
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- Well, I would say
that in some way
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I sort of see the
Holocaust experience
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as shaping my entire work life
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and issues and questions
that I, you know, pursued.
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00:22:01,660 --> 00:22:04,600
Well, I think there are
a number of processes
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involved at which a central one
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is a dehumanization
and there are, again,
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I think degrees
of dehumanization,
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but the ultimate
one is when you see
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the target as not,
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as less than human,
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not subject to the
moral obligations
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that one owes to
other human beings.
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00:22:30,930 --> 00:22:33,360
In the cases of
genocide, it seems to me
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it's gone to the point where
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there's a moral obligation
to kill these people.
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They are evil.
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00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:44,100
They are insects.
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00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,400
They're termites.
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00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,630
They need to be exterminated.
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00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,760
- July 1944, I was
deported to Auschwitz.
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00:22:56,130 --> 00:23:01,130
Stayed in Auschwitz
'til October 23, 1944,
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00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,660
at which point I was shipped out
493
00:23:04,660 --> 00:23:08,130
on a transport to a
small satellite camp of
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Buchenwald called Niederorschel,
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00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:13,830
not far from Ohrdruf.
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They did not tattoo
you on the way in.
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00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:19,400
They only tattooed
you on the way out
498
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,200
if you managed to get out.
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00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,460
So I was tattooed when I
left Auschwitz, not before.
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- [Voiceover] I can't
read it from this angle.
501
00:23:29,460 --> 00:23:30,730
What does it say?
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00:23:30,730 --> 00:23:33,000
- B13174.
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00:23:34,130 --> 00:23:35,230
- [Voiceover] Thank you.
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- We make the
distinction between,
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for example, a
concentration camp
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where a lot of people died.
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Especially a places like Belsen
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and Mauthausen where
conditions became very bad
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00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,900
and Buchenwald, very bad
toward the end of the war.
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00:23:49,660 --> 00:23:52,060
Versus those few
sites, and the Museum
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actually lists five of
these at this point,
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whose main purpose was to kill.
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Where most of the
people who arrived
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00:24:00,430 --> 00:24:02,660
were gassed immediately.
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00:24:02,930 --> 00:24:05,600
Those are Chemno,
Bezec, Sobibor,
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Treblinka, and
Auschwitz-Birkenau.
517
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,730
[male foreign singing]
518
00:24:15,730 --> 00:24:16,960
- [Voiceover] Other
than Auschwitz,
519
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,730
I'd never heard any of
the extermination camps,
520
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,800
and I had no idea what
went on inside them
521
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,500
until my wife sent
me an announcement
522
00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:26,260
about a talk at a
local synagogue.
523
00:24:26,260 --> 00:24:28,860
- Today I had a discussion with
my wife, and I was wondering
524
00:24:28,860 --> 00:24:32,930
if I should bring my children
here tonight with us.
525
00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:35,330
On the one hand, I
figured they're young,
526
00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:38,260
I don't know if this is really
the place for them to be.
527
00:24:39,500 --> 00:24:43,030
And then I thought to
myself, "When are they gonna
528
00:24:43,030 --> 00:24:46,930
"have an opportunity to
meet a man as Mr. Bialowitz.
529
00:25:09,260 --> 00:25:11,100
- [Voiceover] Sobibor
was an extermination camp
530
00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:14,130
set up by the Germans to
liquidate the ghettos.
531
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,400
Philip Bialowitz was
among a small group of
532
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,800
slave laborer's kept at the
camp, to work for the Nazis,
533
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,100
and his story is as
heartbreaking as it is amazing.
534
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,500
In 1943, the 600 Jews
at Sobibor rebelled,
535
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:30,700
killed the Nazi guards
and ran for the woods.
536
00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:34,560
By the end of the war, nearly
60 of them were still alive.
537
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:12,830
[German shouting]
538
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,330
- [Voiceover] The people of
Eastern Europe faced terrible
539
00:26:17,330 --> 00:26:19,560
hardships during
the mid war years.
540
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,200
Under Stalin, the people
of the Ukraine were starved
541
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,400
by the millions under Soviet
collectivization policies.
542
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,960
In Germany, the Nazis began
setting up concentration camps
543
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,900
as soon as they
took power in 1933.
544
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:35,860
According to some historians,
over 14 million people
545
00:26:35,860 --> 00:26:37,560
died in the
bloodlands of Europe,
546
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,900
controlled by Hitler and Stalin.
547
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,660
In the fall of 2011, as
I'm doing my research,
548
00:26:46,660 --> 00:26:48,600
the U.S. honors the
10th anniversary of the
549
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,530
terrorist attacks
of September 11th.
550
00:26:52,030 --> 00:26:54,600
Nearly 3,000 Americans
died on that tragic day.
551
00:26:55,460 --> 00:26:58,560
For the people of
the bloodlands, there
was a 9/11 every
552
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,560
single day, between
1933 and 1945.
553
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,830
For me, this is just
too much to take in.
554
00:27:09,030 --> 00:27:11,760
I want to understand the
story of one soldier,
555
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,500
but instead I'm confronted
with the mass murder
556
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:15,300
of millions of people.
557
00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:18,130
How can I understand
anything about Ohrdruf unless
558
00:27:18,130 --> 00:27:20,500
I get into the one
story I can grasp,
559
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:22,060
the story of my grandfather.
560
00:27:22,060 --> 00:27:25,060
I need to map his path across
Europe, and know his version
561
00:27:25,060 --> 00:27:28,600
of the war to really, truly
understand what he saw.
562
00:27:29,260 --> 00:27:31,630
I'm not even sure
where to begin,
563
00:27:31,630 --> 00:27:33,760
and it all seems
so overwhelming.
564
00:27:34,860 --> 00:27:36,730
And then I meet Anna Rosmus.
565
00:27:37,260 --> 00:27:41,900
- When I published my
first book about resistance
566
00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:45,930
and persecution, in Passau,
my hometown in Bulvaria.
567
00:27:45,930 --> 00:27:49,560
In '83, it garnered
a lot of attention.
568
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,100
Locally, of course it
was considered a scandal
569
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:55,760
more than anything else,
for breaking a taboo,
570
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,760
for publishing things that
I should not have published.
571
00:28:01,730 --> 00:28:05,100
I was already a student
at the University
572
00:28:05,660 --> 00:28:09,530
when I wrote a
nationwide essay contest,
573
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,600
and one of the topics, one of
the five topics to choose from
574
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,460
was the pre-war
years in my hometown.
575
00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:23,100
So I started, literally,
at zero, absolutely zero.
576
00:28:24,530 --> 00:28:27,730
It was not only World War
II per se that we hadn't
577
00:28:27,730 --> 00:28:32,600
learned about, it was in
particularly our hometown.
578
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,860
In hindsight, of course, I
do understand why that was.
579
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,630
My hometown was also
Hitler's hometown.
580
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:44,860
My hometown was also
Adolf Eichmann's hometown.
581
00:28:44,860 --> 00:28:49,860
This was a town where him
and Goring was active.
582
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,400
This was a city where the
big shots were at home,
583
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,300
long before Hitler took power.
584
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,230
I started to catch up,
and before long I realized
585
00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:09,300
that locals, with very few
exceptions, were unwilling to
586
00:29:09,460 --> 00:29:13,600
address the topic,
were unwilling to
answer my questions.
587
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,330
And I had to go
outside of my hometown,
588
00:29:18,330 --> 00:29:20,000
to look for evidence.
589
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,060
There was a movie
about my early work,
590
00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:25,430
and the movie
premiered in America.
591
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:27,760
- [Voiceover] In 1991, director
Michael Verhoeven made a
592
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,660
film about Anna's work, that
showed how angry people were
593
00:29:30,660 --> 00:29:33,260
with her, for talking
about the Holocaust.
594
00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:36,630
The English title of the
film is The Nasty Girl.
595
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:39,800
- The German title is
Das schreckliche MaƤdchen.
596
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,760
Straight forward translation
would be The Terrifying Girl,
597
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,900
which was too terrifying and too
598
00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:49,500
political for American taste.
599
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:50,660
It wouldn't sell.
600
00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:54,160
The Miramax brothers
told me in person,
601
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,160
that they had to look
for something sexual,
602
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,200
so they came up
with The Nasty Girl.
603
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:03,130
- [Voiceover] Anna's research
eventually focused on the
604
00:30:03,130 --> 00:30:05,330
soldiers who had
liberated her town,
605
00:30:05,330 --> 00:30:07,330
and she became a
historian and activist,
606
00:30:07,330 --> 00:30:08,800
working closely with veterans.
607
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,560
- On the tour in America,
I had an opportunity
608
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,960
to meet former Passau Jews.
609
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,060
Now it happened that some
of the former Passau Jews
610
00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:24,730
were not only victimized
during the Holocaust
611
00:30:24,730 --> 00:30:29,060
and long before, they
also returned to Passau,
612
00:30:29,060 --> 00:30:30,830
as American soldiers.
613
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,100
- [Voiceover] Mark Kitchell
has found some veterans
614
00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:36,530
for me to talk to, and I'm
ready to start putting together
615
00:30:36,530 --> 00:30:39,000
Don's story of his time at war.
616
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,530
- [Voiceover] Yesterday,
December seventh 1941,
617
00:30:45,530 --> 00:30:49,000
a date which will
live in infamy.
618
00:30:49,730 --> 00:30:51,630
United States of America was
619
00:30:51,630 --> 00:30:54,600
suddenly and
deliberately attacked.
620
00:30:57,130 --> 00:30:58,730
- [Voiceover] Don's
older brother, Warren,
621
00:30:58,730 --> 00:31:01,500
was already in the service
when the war broke out.
622
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:04,330
- [Voiceover] He
was in the Pacific.
623
00:31:04,330 --> 00:31:06,460
I don't know anything about
a division, I believe it was
624
00:31:06,460 --> 00:31:09,300
the army, but I know
he was at Pearl Harbor.
625
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:11,560
As he just always said
he was at Pearl Harbor.
626
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,700
- [Voiceover] Pearl Harbor
had shocked the nation,
627
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:15,300
and it must have hit
really close to home,
628
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:17,930
to have their older brother
in the midst of the attack.
629
00:31:18,130 --> 00:31:21,430
So first Bob, and then
Don, did what the rest of
630
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:23,500
the boys of their
generation did.
631
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:29,100
- [Voiceover] Soldiers,
sailors, and airmen are the
632
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:31,200
Allied Expeditionary Force.
633
00:31:31,930 --> 00:31:34,800
You are about to embark
upon the great crusade,
634
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,900
towards which we have
striven these many months.
635
00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:40,330
The eyes of the
world are upon you.
636
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,160
The hopes and prayers
of liberty loving people
637
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,030
everywhere march with you.
638
00:31:45,260 --> 00:31:48,200
- [Voiceover] On June sixth
of 1944, the largest invasion
639
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,130
in history took place on
the beaches of Normandy.
640
00:31:51,130 --> 00:31:54,560
As the allied soldiers pushed
into the French countryside,
641
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,960
they took appalling casualties.
642
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,100
To fill the ranks, the
army called up soldiers
643
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:02,000
who had been given
non-combat assignments.
644
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,860
Many of them were in college.
645
00:32:03,860 --> 00:32:06,260
It was joked that the
rolling W was the smartest
646
00:32:06,260 --> 00:32:07,630
division in the army.
647
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,300
- [Gene] We decided
we were going to
648
00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:13,730
join the paratrooper force.
649
00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:16,200
Well, when we'd gotten down
to the office to sign up,
650
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,660
he said, "Well, now you
know that if you don't want
651
00:32:19,660 --> 00:32:22,160
"to jump, you're gonna
jump one way or the other."
652
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,600
He wasn't signed up for the
paratrooper, so I told him,
653
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,700
I said, "Well, I'm very
unhappy in this outfit,
654
00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:30,560
"I want to get in an outfit
where it's matching."
655
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,560
So I went in and I
signed the document,
656
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,700
and 10 days later,
I was transferred to
657
00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:37,460
the 89th Infantry Division.
658
00:32:37,460 --> 00:32:39,600
That was in July of 1944.
659
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,700
- [Voiceover] Over the next
few weeks, I pieced together
660
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:45,330
the story of the 89th,
as told by the veterans.
661
00:32:45,530 --> 00:32:49,460
- [Donald] So I had
volunteered, I did that,
662
00:32:49,460 --> 00:32:52,830
then the next thing I know,
I was taking a physical.
663
00:32:52,830 --> 00:32:55,530
- [Ralph] Well I was in, of
course, in the 89th division.
664
00:32:55,530 --> 00:32:59,230
And infantry divisions
in World War II were
665
00:33:00,460 --> 00:33:02,500
divided into three regiments.
666
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:07,500
The 89th had 353, 354
and 355 regiments,
667
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:12,660
and I was attached to the 355th.
668
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,960
- [Ralph] We continued
to be in the army,
669
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,400
when we were in college.
670
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,600
They said, "You're going
back into the army,
671
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,760
"and you're all going
into the infantry."
672
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,800
We were all told,
"You're all privates,
673
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,460
"no matter what your
rank might have been
674
00:33:27,460 --> 00:33:28,960
"before you came to college."
675
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,560
We were put through
the extensive training.
676
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,230
We were told that, "We want
to be sure that you get
677
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:37,300
"the best training
you can possibly get."
678
00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:41,460
We were delayed a bit going
to Europe, until they made the
679
00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:45,300
89th division a
full man division,
680
00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:47,860
rather than a light division.
681
00:33:48,060 --> 00:33:51,660
We shipped out of Boston,
and it was in February.
682
00:33:51,660 --> 00:33:55,600
The riggings were full of
ice, it was cold as cold
683
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:56,800
can get.
684
00:33:57,030 --> 00:34:00,300
Seas in the winter time
get pretty vicious,
685
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:03,530
and we had a lot of
sick boys on board.
686
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,560
We did not go to England, we
landed in the heart of France.
687
00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:15,130
- [Voiceover] We
unloaded at midnight,
688
00:34:16,700 --> 00:34:20,230
and we were sitting
on top of trucks
689
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:21,830
that were carrying guns.
690
00:34:21,830 --> 00:34:25,930
We almost froze to death
going 25 miles to a camp.
691
00:34:25,930 --> 00:34:28,530
We got to the camp,
and there were--
692
00:34:28,530 --> 00:34:32,730
It was, I'd say, nine inches
of snow on the ground.
693
00:34:32,730 --> 00:34:36,430
And there was a bunch of cots,
694
00:34:38,060 --> 00:34:39,930
but there was no tents.
695
00:34:39,930 --> 00:34:42,030
- [Voiceover] Well, I guess
you know that the different
696
00:34:42,030 --> 00:34:44,260
camps were called
by cigarette brands.
697
00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:47,630
Lucky Strike, Old Gold
and Philip Morris,
698
00:34:47,630 --> 00:34:50,300
they were all designated
as camp names.
699
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,300
- [Voiceover] It seems that
every veteran I talked to
700
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:54,860
has bad memories of
Camp Lucky Strike.
701
00:34:54,860 --> 00:34:57,760
- [Voiceover] They had
put cots in the tents,
702
00:34:58,060 --> 00:35:00,760
and the snow was all
the way up to the top,
703
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,130
up to the cots.
704
00:35:02,130 --> 00:35:04,330
So when you lay, went to lay,
705
00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:06,160
you're slept on the snow really.
706
00:35:07,130 --> 00:35:09,660
- [Voiceover] When I first
went into my tent on the
707
00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:13,660
first night, I took all the
stuff out of my duffel bag,
708
00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:16,700
all my my clothing, my
overcoat and all of that.
709
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:18,300
- [Voiceover] Well,
and the thing was that
710
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,200
quite a few of the
guys lay on their cot
711
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,300
and put the blankets over them,
712
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:29,930
and wound up with
frost bite from below.
713
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,260
- [Voiceover] As it turns
out, I made a mistake.
714
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,800
For the last year, I'd been
researching the 89th division,
715
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,960
and what they did
during the war.
716
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,130
But recently, my mom found an
old newspaper in the attic,
717
00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:45,760
and it has my grandfather's
obituary in it.
718
00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:50,330
- He wasn't in the 89th
division, he was in the 65th.
719
00:35:50,660 --> 00:35:52,660
He was a platoon
leader in B company,
720
00:35:52,660 --> 00:35:55,060
of the 365 medical battalion.
721
00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:59,230
I've been looking the wrong
place for over a year.
722
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,300
I spend a few days frustrated,
723
00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:06,930
until I find a guy named Bob
Patton, who sells books online
724
00:36:06,930 --> 00:36:09,060
about the 65th division.
725
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,230
When I email him about my
grandfather, he sends me copies
726
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:14,460
of all the letters to
the 65th newsletter
727
00:36:14,460 --> 00:36:16,300
that my grandfather wrote.
728
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:18,430
And letters from other
vets that mention him.
729
00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:21,200
- [Voiceover] I was very
interested to know that
730
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,130
someone else was hungry
at Camp Lucky Strike.
731
00:36:24,130 --> 00:36:27,860
For years I forgailed my family
and friends with stories of
732
00:36:27,860 --> 00:36:30,860
small frozen potatoes,
cooked in water
733
00:36:30,860 --> 00:36:33,800
with a large dash of gasoline.
734
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,930
Some KP grabbed the
wrong five gallon can.
735
00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:38,660
- With what?
736
00:36:38,660 --> 00:36:41,000
I don't know, this
has becoming him.
737
00:36:41,260 --> 00:36:43,900
Our 365th medical
battalion, snapshot sent by
738
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:47,060
Lieutenant Don Johnson.
739
00:36:48,330 --> 00:36:50,030
Don G. Johnson.
740
00:36:50,030 --> 00:36:52,400
And this would be him here.
741
00:36:52,860 --> 00:36:55,030
He's just a little bit
shorter than the other.
742
00:36:56,530 --> 00:37:01,530
The 65th division was
activated in July of 1943.
743
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,960
It was the last division to
be activated in World War II.
744
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:09,900
In the middle of the
ocean, as a result of the
745
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:13,260
Battle of the Bulge,
our orders were changed,
746
00:37:13,260 --> 00:37:17,700
and we were told that we were
needed more on the mainland,
747
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,200
than we were needed in
England, so therefore,
748
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,560
we were to dock in L'Heure.
749
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,260
- [Voiceover] The entire world
awaited the fateful outcome,
750
00:37:26,260 --> 00:37:28,860
as the armies of Nazi
Germany lashed out in the
751
00:37:28,860 --> 00:37:31,260
counter offensive
in the Arv Den.
752
00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:34,200
This was the Battle of the
Bulge, the battle that came so
753
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,130
dangerously close
to crushing allied
754
00:37:36,130 --> 00:37:37,800
hopes for early victory.
755
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,560
- [Voiceover] The orders
were changed to go
756
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,930
straight to France,
because the anticipation
757
00:37:43,930 --> 00:37:47,800
that we were going to be going
into the Battle of the Bulge.
758
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:53,700
Fortunately for all of us,
the Battle of the Bulge ended.
759
00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:57,930
Well, everything was new
to me, because I came from
760
00:37:57,930 --> 00:38:02,930
a small town, I was
drafted at 18, I entered.
761
00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:08,500
Was inducted, I guess you call
it, in those days at about
762
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:13,300
near the end of 1943.
763
00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:16,360
And I just felt
like I was a kid,
764
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,860
I didn't know where I was going
765
00:38:17,860 --> 00:38:19,830
or what I was getting into.
766
00:38:20,130 --> 00:38:22,360
- [Voiceover] With Bob's
help, I meet Bud Waite,
767
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,730
a veteran of the 65th
who lives a few miles
768
00:38:24,730 --> 00:38:26,560
from me in a Boston suburb.
769
00:38:29,830 --> 00:38:32,560
- [Bud] This one here,
this is the bronze star.
770
00:38:34,930 --> 00:38:39,930
Camp Lucky Strike was near
Metz, kinda near Metz, France,
771
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,630
and it was horrible.
772
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:45,530
It was cold, it was muddy,
773
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:50,530
we only had one helmet
full of fuel per day,
774
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,500
to keep us warm.
775
00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:59,100
So that was probably, could
be perhaps the worst two weeks
776
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,800
we ever spent, was those two
weeks at Camp Lucky Strike.
777
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:05,860
- [Voiceover] It turns out
that my research into the 89th
778
00:39:05,860 --> 00:39:07,830
wasn't wasted time at all.
779
00:39:07,830 --> 00:39:10,630
Both the 89 and 65th
division spent the winter
780
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:12,400
at Camp Lucky Strike.
781
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,730
The 65th, along
with my grandfather,
782
00:39:14,730 --> 00:39:18,000
arrived on January
22nd, and the 89th got
783
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,860
there two days later.
784
00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:21,100
They would fight
side by side across
785
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:23,330
Europe for most of the spring.
786
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,130
- It took several days to
get us from Camp Lucky Strike
787
00:39:26,130 --> 00:39:29,530
over to the Easter port,
around the Metz area,
788
00:39:29,530 --> 00:39:33,060
and that was when we were
really committed to hard combat
789
00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:37,200
with the enemy just across
the street, in several cases.
790
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,100
- When we first went into
combat, it was in the middle of
791
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:43,100
the night, dark of the night.
792
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:48,100
And as we advanced, we
were advancing by the light
793
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,800
of the burning buildings.
794
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,460
We were moving pretty fast
for a while, and then we'd run
795
00:39:54,460 --> 00:39:58,900
into stiff resistance,
and then it would kinda
796
00:39:59,730 --> 00:40:02,830
clear out a little bit, and
then we'd run into some more.
797
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:06,000
Unfortunately, we saw
lots of German soldiers
798
00:40:07,930 --> 00:40:10,830
dead on the ground
as we were advancing,
799
00:40:10,830 --> 00:40:12,400
and stuff like that.
800
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,900
- I almost tell you, if
I had a choice as far as
801
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:19,630
the service was concerned,
I would have been a
802
00:40:19,630 --> 00:40:23,030
conscientious objector,
because I did not want
803
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:24,630
to shoot any Germans.
804
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:27,560
I did not have any
desire to kill anybody.
805
00:40:27,860 --> 00:40:29,000
- I guess we had no,
806
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,500
we had little
feelings or something.
807
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,930
People ask me, "Did
you kill people?
808
00:40:34,930 --> 00:40:37,600
"Did you kill soldiers?"
809
00:40:37,730 --> 00:40:42,000
And honestly, I can not
say if I did or not.
810
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,000
I fired at them, and at
distances and so forth.
811
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,360
- [Voiceover] The
65th entered combat on
812
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,730
March seven, near Sarlaturn.
813
00:40:51,730 --> 00:40:54,600
Five days later, the 89th
joined them on the line in
814
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,900
the nearby town of Trier.
815
00:40:57,730 --> 00:41:00,560
- [Voiceover] Well,
unless you'd been there,
816
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,660
you couldn't
understand it, really.
817
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,260
It's...
818
00:41:06,330 --> 00:41:07,700
You really...
819
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:10,730
Well, you can't let it
bear on your mind too much,
820
00:41:10,730 --> 00:41:11,960
that you might get killed,
821
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,800
but you do give
that some thought.
822
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,730
- [Voiceover] It was unnerving
to the fact that you just
823
00:41:17,730 --> 00:41:19,600
didn't know what you
were getting into,
824
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,160
or what you're up against.
825
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,030
So, you just went and
did what you could do.
826
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,400
- [Voiceover] As I talk with
the veterans about their time
827
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,630
at war, the one story
I keep coming back to
828
00:41:31,630 --> 00:41:33,560
is that of Ralph Rush.
829
00:41:33,930 --> 00:41:35,860
So when he invites me to
his house on a small island
830
00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:39,060
near Seattle, I jump at the
chance to meet him in person.
831
00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:41,260
We spend several
days digging clams
832
00:41:41,260 --> 00:41:43,400
and talking about politics.
833
00:41:44,030 --> 00:41:47,200
He treats me like a grandson,
and I'm glad I made the trip.
834
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,160
As we sit on his deck,
I'm struck by how
835
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,260
beautiful the scenery is.
836
00:42:00,260 --> 00:42:02,930
Such a contrast to the
story Ralph has to tell.
837
00:42:03,260 --> 00:42:05,500
- I was with an I&R platoon,
838
00:42:06,060 --> 00:42:08,600
which is Intelligence
and Recognizance,
839
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:11,160
Headquarters Company.
840
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:16,430
We began to move fairly
rapidly towards the front.
841
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,100
We got into some
pretty heavy fighting.
842
00:42:20,030 --> 00:42:23,430
And our job was to find
out the best we could,
843
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:26,030
where the heavy material was.
844
00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:30,200
Well, you're scared to death.
845
00:42:31,730 --> 00:42:36,160
You're frightened
of the situation,
846
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,800
you're frightened that
you're not gonna be able to
847
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,960
do your required job.
848
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,400
You worry about your buddies.
849
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,360
We had a good camaraderie.
850
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:53,360
My jeep driver was Neil
Cramer, and he would say to me,
851
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:56,760
when I got out, he'd
say, "Okay Ralph,
852
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,760
"you son of a bitch, remember
I've got a wife and three
853
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:06,800
"kids at home, and don't you
get us into any trouble."
854
00:43:06,860 --> 00:43:10,600
[majestic instrumental music]
855
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,300
- [Voiceover] With one
terrific blow, they have begun
856
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:17,830
the last great
battle in the West.
857
00:43:17,830 --> 00:43:20,230
Now, they will unload,
deploy and drive forward
858
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:22,330
for their objectives.
859
00:43:22,330 --> 00:43:24,000
The crossroads, the
bridges, the strong points,
860
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,260
which might hinder
the land armies,
861
00:43:26,260 --> 00:43:28,200
thrusting along behind them.
862
00:43:28,930 --> 00:43:33,360
- [Voiceover] The Rhine
crossing was a real tough one.
863
00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:39,660
There were several companies
that were instructed
864
00:43:39,660 --> 00:43:41,900
to go across first.
865
00:43:42,860 --> 00:43:47,860
The company E and company
B lost tremendous amount
866
00:43:47,930 --> 00:43:50,130
of men, crossing the Rhine.
867
00:43:50,860 --> 00:43:55,860
The Germans had positioned
themselves under the coverts
868
00:43:56,260 --> 00:43:59,000
of a number of the roads.
869
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:04,000
Then they had excellent guns,
20 millimeter guns and 88s,
870
00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:07,360
that shoot almost flat.
871
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:12,360
I think we almost lost all
of E company, crossing.
872
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,900
Very few of 'em made it
across, because they were just
873
00:44:18,130 --> 00:44:19,630
blown out of the water.
874
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:23,800
It was a terrible
day for the 89th.
875
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:25,930
I think they lost--
876
00:44:25,930 --> 00:44:27,400
I don't know how
many men they lost,
877
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,030
but we lost a--
878
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:34,760
A lot of great guys.
879
00:44:46,030 --> 00:44:47,860
- [Voiceover] Anna
sent me this photo.
880
00:44:47,860 --> 00:44:50,100
It shows medics in company
B tending to the wounded
881
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:52,030
of the river crossing.
882
00:44:52,030 --> 00:44:54,730
I'm not sure if Don's in this
picture, but it shows the
883
00:44:54,730 --> 00:44:56,530
kind of gruesome work
that a medic would have
884
00:44:56,530 --> 00:44:59,660
done in combat, and it's the
closest I have to a picture
885
00:44:59,660 --> 00:45:01,130
of Don at war.
886
00:45:01,130 --> 00:45:05,960
- Yes, we all remember
the Rhine River real well.
887
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,660
And that is where we were
engaged from that particular
888
00:45:09,660 --> 00:45:11,760
point on, chasing the Germans.
889
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,700
- What many of the soldiers
envisioned themselves doing,
890
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,400
after a few weeks
in combat only,
891
00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:22,360
was to take Germany's capital.
892
00:45:22,460 --> 00:45:25,200
It would have been a
trophy in their eyes.
893
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,230
Of course, many of those very
young soldiers never looked
894
00:45:29,830 --> 00:45:32,200
at the statistics at that time.
895
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,130
They had no clue how
heavily Berlin was defended.
896
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:41,560
They did not really want to
picture the 65th infantry
897
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,830
division's casualties,
should they be sentenced,
898
00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:48,760
more or less, to
capture the capital.
899
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,400
Eisenhower did not send them
to Berlin, but ordered them to
900
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:58,400
shift course and come straight
toward Bavaria from there on.
901
00:45:58,860 --> 00:46:03,660
Now as they took this particular
turn, instead of marching
902
00:46:03,660 --> 00:46:08,460
into Berlin going
South, at that corner,
903
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,300
the first very large
concentration camp on
904
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:14,000
German soil was discovered.
905
00:46:16,530 --> 00:46:20,030
[fast-paced piano music]
906
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,700
- [Voiceover] Before the war,
the German town of Ohrdruf
907
00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:26,430
was best known for music.
908
00:46:26,430 --> 00:46:29,660
Beethoven had lived there,
and Johann Sebastian Bach
909
00:46:29,660 --> 00:46:32,800
had composed some of his best
known pieces in the city.
910
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,430
But music wasn't on the
minds of the men of a small
911
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:38,800
recognizance platoon, as
they moved into the town.
912
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:46,060
- The fourth army division
was spearheading that effort,
913
00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:49,360
crossing Germany
and ending up there,
914
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,960
along with the 89th
Infantry Division.
915
00:46:53,330 --> 00:46:54,930
- It was early in the morning
916
00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:01,460
when we looked up, and
on the top of this hill,
917
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:06,030
there was a guard tower,
the first thing I spotted,
918
00:47:06,830 --> 00:47:08,860
'cause I was out front.
919
00:47:09,860 --> 00:47:14,300
Then compound, obviously,
of some distance.
920
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:20,430
And we got up a little closer,
and there were a few shots
921
00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:24,060
thrown at us, and
we threw a few shots
922
00:47:24,060 --> 00:47:26,660
back with the 50 caliber.
923
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:29,300
There weren't any
more shots then.
924
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,000
So we continued on, climbed
the side of the hill and up to
925
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,800
this compound, and we opened
it, being very careful because
926
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,360
we had, had a few
shots thrown at us.
927
00:47:45,930 --> 00:47:50,930
And here, laying on the ground
in a circle in front of us,
928
00:47:57,500 --> 00:48:02,500
10 or 12 soldiers,
either allied, British--
929
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,030
- [Voiceover] And there's
one American in the bunch,
930
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,330
and he was from Gardner, Mass--
931
00:48:12,330 --> 00:48:16,630
Says, "American flyer from
Garnder, Massachusetts,"
932
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:18,360
and I believe that I--
933
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,530
I believe his last
name was Wagner.
934
00:48:22,730 --> 00:48:25,530
Somebody was trying to
make a statement, I think.
935
00:48:27,060 --> 00:48:32,060
Each had been shot behind
the ear and were dead.
936
00:48:36,130 --> 00:48:36,930
There's no--
937
00:48:36,930 --> 00:48:39,060
None of them were alive.
938
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,730
That made us mad as hell.
939
00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:54,900
And then we saw the
poor, bedraggled,
940
00:48:58,030 --> 00:49:03,030
guys that had been the
inmates of the camp.
941
00:49:04,860 --> 00:49:07,330
We realized we
discovered something that
942
00:49:07,330 --> 00:49:10,700
was different than usual.
943
00:49:11,330 --> 00:49:13,300
- [Voiceover] There had
been rumors of camps,
944
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:15,200
but what Ralph and his
platoon discovered,
945
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,430
was something that no allied
soldier had ever expected.
946
00:49:18,430 --> 00:49:22,200
Ohrdruf was the first camp
liberated by the allies.
947
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,530
- I did not go to Ohrdruf,
I did not have the
948
00:49:25,530 --> 00:49:27,730
opportunity to go to Ohrdruf.
949
00:49:27,730 --> 00:49:30,030
I had to stay in
battalion quarters,
950
00:49:30,030 --> 00:49:32,660
so all the rest of them
could go to Ohrdruf.
951
00:49:32,660 --> 00:49:34,830
But they came back and
told me all about it,
952
00:49:34,830 --> 00:49:36,430
and all the things
that they saw there.
953
00:49:36,430 --> 00:49:41,430
- I don't imagine that the
people who actually liberated
954
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:45,730
them realized that there
was anything like that,
955
00:49:45,730 --> 00:49:47,000
until they actually got there.
956
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,160
That's my own thoughts on it.
957
00:49:50,460 --> 00:49:53,430
They knew that it might be
bad, but maybe not anywhere
958
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:55,330
near as bad as it was.
959
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,860
- [Voiceover] As I
remember it when I went in,
960
00:49:57,860 --> 00:50:02,460
there were a few people
staggering around,
and how they were
961
00:50:02,460 --> 00:50:04,830
able to stand up, I don't
know, because it looked like
962
00:50:04,830 --> 00:50:08,430
the skin was just
stretched over their bones.
963
00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:10,560
- [Voiceover] Now those bodies
that you saw lying there,
964
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,960
I was looking at, I walked
right over those bodies.
965
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,260
And that building
wasn't over 50 feet.
966
00:50:17,260 --> 00:50:19,260
The building stored--
967
00:50:19,260 --> 00:50:22,730
Where they had bodies stack
about five high, six high.
968
00:50:22,730 --> 00:50:25,660
It wasn't over 50 feet
from where those bodies
969
00:50:25,660 --> 00:50:27,300
were lyin' on the ground.
970
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,600
- The bodies were being
taken from the live shed,
971
00:50:33,330 --> 00:50:36,000
or the dead shed.
972
00:50:36,860 --> 00:50:41,860
There was a large pit with
steel railroad tracks.
973
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,630
- [Voiceover] On the
North side of the camp,
974
00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:50,360
going down the hill a
little bit, they had rail--
975
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,600
They had looked like
small railroad railings,
976
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,530
up about two and a half,
three feet off the ground,
977
00:50:56,530 --> 00:50:58,460
close together, and
there was all kinds of
978
00:50:58,460 --> 00:51:00,560
burned body parts around there.
979
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,560
There'd be an arm
laying over at the side,
980
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,230
that's hardly burn, that
are just charcoal, you know.
981
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:07,930
And a head with the
hair still on it,
982
00:51:07,930 --> 00:51:09,600
and all that kind of stuff.
983
00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:16,900
- We couldn't believe man's
inhumanity to man, it just...
984
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:24,600
Just shocked us, literally
shocked us to the point
985
00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:27,530
we couldn't believe what we saw.
986
00:51:30,830 --> 00:51:33,300
- [Voiceover] The
commanding officer of--
987
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:35,760
I don't know who was
our regiment or company,
988
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,330
but anyway, I don't
recall his name,
989
00:51:38,330 --> 00:51:42,500
went into town and got
a hold of the mayor,
990
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:44,760
and brought him out
to the Ohrdruf camp.
991
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,730
And when he saw
it, he was just--
992
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,360
I could tell that he
wasn't puttin' anything on,
993
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,630
he was just completely shocked.
994
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:57,830
And from what I
understand Matthew,
995
00:51:57,830 --> 00:52:02,830
when he went back to his home,
which was down a ways from
996
00:52:02,830 --> 00:52:04,800
the camp, he committed suicide.
997
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,800
- I had one chap come up to
me, asking me to provide him
998
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:15,300
with my gun, and of
course I couldn't do that,
999
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:16,800
and I told him no.
1000
00:52:16,860 --> 00:52:21,800
The German SS who were running
the camp had taken a lot of
1001
00:52:22,430 --> 00:52:27,430
the clothing of the inmates,
and changed clothes with them.
1002
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,460
He would know who they were,
1003
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:34,000
and I would not.
1004
00:52:34,930 --> 00:52:39,730
And he said, again,
"Will you give me a gun?"
1005
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:47,200
You have to take a chance, you
have to make a decision that
1006
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:55,500
balance what you think is
right, and what's wrong.
1007
00:52:55,900 --> 00:52:58,530
And I came to the conclusion
that he was telling the truth.
1008
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,500
- [Voiceover] As the Americans
searched the compound,
1009
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:03,260
they found a number of dead
SS guards dressed in the
1010
00:53:03,260 --> 00:53:05,400
same clothes as the prisoners.
1011
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,600
- Actually there were
two orders of sub camps,
1012
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,260
but the big order sub camp,
which would be the one that
1013
00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:15,000
was liberated by the
Americans in April 1945,
1014
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,400
was set up in November '44.
1015
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,860
It was called S3, that
was its code name,
1016
00:53:19,860 --> 00:53:23,130
and what it was intended
for, was a huge labor camp
1017
00:53:23,130 --> 00:53:28,130
for outfitting the basement
of the Millburn Castle,
1018
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:32,760
purpose of which was to create
a massive communications
1019
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:37,760
center for the Nazi regime,
in the event of the relocation
1020
00:53:38,260 --> 00:53:40,030
out of Berlin.
1021
00:53:40,030 --> 00:53:41,660
It was particularly for the--
1022
00:53:41,660 --> 00:53:44,560
Kind of a high command
communications center.
1023
00:53:45,930 --> 00:53:47,160
- [Voiceover] What the
soldiers found at Ohrdruf,
1024
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,500
was a camp that
was nearly empty.
1025
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:52,300
As the allied troops
moved into Germany,
1026
00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:54,700
the Nazis had evacuated
many of the camps,
1027
00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:56,960
and forced the prisoners
onto death marches,
1028
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,760
to the center of the
camp at Buchenwald.
1029
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,060
At Neter Rochelle, that was
the fate of Steven Fenves.
1030
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,760
- On first of April,
1945, we were marched out,
1031
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:15,500
and 10 days later, we
arrived in Buchenwald.
1032
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:24,030
I knew that things were
different, the chimney was
1033
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:29,200
not smoking, the
inner gate was open,
1034
00:54:29,860 --> 00:54:31,700
a quarantine area.
1035
00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:36,800
And so they marched us in, and
pointed us to the barracks,
1036
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,030
and I collapsed.
1037
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,860
Late the following day,
1038
00:54:42,860 --> 00:54:45,100
I think it was early
afternoon, I'm not sure of the
1039
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:48,260
exact time, people shook
me awake to tell me that
1040
00:54:48,260 --> 00:54:53,260
the Americans had arrived,
and we ran up the steep slope.
1041
00:54:55,230 --> 00:54:59,060
We were yelling, screaming,
waving to the armored carriers,
1042
00:54:59,060 --> 00:55:01,260
and jeeps, and tanks.
1043
00:55:01,930 --> 00:55:04,900
- This was something of
tremendous importance for,
1044
00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:07,430
I think, especially,
the American army.
1045
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,400
We may not have known
what we were fighting for,
1046
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:11,930
but once we saw the camps,
1047
00:55:11,930 --> 00:55:13,530
we knew what we were
fighting against.
1048
00:55:14,330 --> 00:55:15,660
- [Voiceover] On
the wall outside the
1049
00:55:15,660 --> 00:55:17,860
Holocaust Memorial
Museum in Washington, DC,
1050
00:55:17,860 --> 00:55:19,260
is a block of text.
1051
00:55:19,530 --> 00:55:22,000
Of the millions of words
written about the Holocaust,
1052
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,460
they've chosen those
of Dwight Eisenhower.
1053
00:55:24,530 --> 00:55:27,430
- [Dwight] The things I
saw beg a description.
1054
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:30,660
The visual evidence and the
verbal testimony of starvation,
1055
00:55:30,660 --> 00:55:34,900
cruelty, and bestiality
were so overpowering.
1056
00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:36,960
I made the visit deliberately,
in order to be in
1057
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,000
a position to give first hand
evidence of these things,
1058
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,730
if ever in the future there
develops a tendency to
1059
00:55:42,730 --> 00:55:45,460
charge these allegations
to propaganda.
1060
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:49,860
- Because it was the first
major concentration camp
1061
00:55:49,860 --> 00:55:54,200
in Germany,
Eisenhower was there.
1062
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,000
He seized, very wisely,
that opportunity.
1063
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,300
Sent all the men available to
take a look at the atrocities,
1064
00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:06,200
to witness what has happened,
and to get a mental image
1065
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,000
what they are fighting against.
1066
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,460
- [Voiceover] The
murder mill at Ohrdruf
1067
00:56:15,460 --> 00:56:19,530
brings out the full horror and
bestiality of the Nazi scum.
1068
00:56:19,530 --> 00:56:22,060
And General Eisenhower, a
man hardened by the blood
1069
00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:24,560
and shock of war,
seems appalled at
1070
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,530
these unbelievable sights.
1071
00:56:31,860 --> 00:56:34,800
Accompanied by General Bradley
on his revolting mission,
1072
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,700
and also by General Patton,
hard boiled yet visibly moved,
1073
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:40,460
the supreme commander
sees demonstrations
1074
00:56:40,460 --> 00:56:42,700
of the torture racks.
1075
00:56:43,460 --> 00:56:45,300
- General Patton,
when he arrived there,
1076
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:49,330
the odors and such were so
horrible, that he went behind
1077
00:56:49,330 --> 00:56:51,460
the barracks and upchucked.
1078
00:56:51,460 --> 00:56:53,760
And he was embarrassed
that he couldn't handle it.
1079
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,600
- [Voiceover] In the week
after Ohrdruf was liberated,
1080
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,930
the American soldiers
uncovered several more camps.
1081
00:56:58,930 --> 00:57:00,660
On April 11th, they
liberated the infamous
1082
00:57:00,660 --> 00:57:03,200
Dora- Mittelbau at Nordhausen.
1083
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,400
And later that same
day, they uncovered the
1084
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,400
huge camp at Buchenwald.
1085
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,430
- Many of the men in the
65th Infantry Division who
1086
00:57:12,430 --> 00:57:17,400
were available, not
immediately on frontline duty,
1087
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,600
did go to one of these
concentration camps.
1088
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,800
Most did go to Dora-Mittlebau.
1089
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,030
Some may have ended
up in Ohrdruf.
1090
00:57:30,300 --> 00:57:33,960
[ominous music]
1091
00:57:43,830 --> 00:57:46,030
[camera clicking]
1092
00:58:07,460 --> 00:58:11,200
[muffled voices over radio]
1093
01:00:04,930 --> 01:00:06,660
- God, yes.
1094
01:00:07,730 --> 01:00:09,360
Some of these pictures that your
1095
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,800
grandfather had are remarkable.
1096
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:17,900
They show some evidence
that I didn't show.
1097
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:23,760
Can't believe it,
still can't believe it.
1098
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,000
- The ones that are
most upsetting are
1099
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,630
the ones where they're--
1100
01:00:29,630 --> 01:00:32,460
Not the corpses, but the
ones that are still alive.
1101
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,360
The walking corpses.
1102
01:00:38,260 --> 01:00:40,700
- Some of these pictures
I have never seen before.
1103
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,530
Your grandfather was very
good at taking these pictures.
1104
01:00:48,830 --> 01:00:50,430
- [Voiceover] Judy Cohen
is the director of the
1105
01:00:50,430 --> 01:00:52,830
Holocost Museum's
photo archives.
1106
01:00:52,830 --> 01:00:55,560
And Jacek Nowakowski
is the Senior Curator,
1107
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,660
who created the
permanent exhibit.
1108
01:00:57,660 --> 01:01:00,160
I've arranged to talk with
them about Don's photos,
1109
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,400
before I donate them
to their collection.
1110
01:01:02,660 --> 01:01:04,200
- This is definitely Ohrdruf--
1111
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:05,330
- [Jacek] Ohrdruf, right.
1112
01:01:05,330 --> 01:01:06,730
- [Judy] Because
we have the tracks,
1113
01:01:06,730 --> 01:01:07,930
and this is what you
saw when you were
1114
01:01:07,930 --> 01:01:09,530
in the exhibition today.
1115
01:01:09,530 --> 01:01:10,760
- [Jacek] When you enter this.
1116
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,400
- You were looking at
it from the other angle,
1117
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,900
but it's the same tracks
with the bodies stacked
1118
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:17,800
as cord wood and then burned.
1119
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,260
- [Jacek] It's a
small stack of bodies.
1120
01:01:20,260 --> 01:01:21,730
- Um.
1121
01:01:21,830 --> 01:01:23,700
- [Jacek] That also
could be Ohrdruf.
1122
01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:24,530
- Yeah.
1123
01:01:24,530 --> 01:01:26,260
- [Jacek] Yeah, it's...
1124
01:01:26,530 --> 01:01:27,930
- Hard to tell.
1125
01:01:27,930 --> 01:01:32,030
- [Jacek] It says, "survivors,"
that's really difficult
1126
01:01:32,030 --> 01:01:33,860
to say where it is.
1127
01:01:33,860 --> 01:01:35,030
- Look at this little girl,
1128
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:36,400
I just noticed her
for the first time.
1129
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:37,760
- [Jacek] Yeah.
1130
01:01:39,330 --> 01:01:41,800
- I wonder how she got
there, and what she's doing.
1131
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:48,430
- [Jacek] Here's the
survivor camp doctors, in 16.
1132
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,500
- This is the same person but
1133
01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:52,260
without the doctors.
1134
01:01:53,630 --> 01:01:56,300
- [Jacek] "A survivor
still fit for some work."
1135
01:01:57,630 --> 01:01:58,800
Huh.
1136
01:02:01,730 --> 01:02:03,760
- Okay, here we're
moving into the ones
1137
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,500
we talked about before.
1138
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,260
- [Jacek] It says,
"New inmates at a camp,
1139
01:02:09,260 --> 01:02:11,660
"still in some kind of shape."
1140
01:02:12,260 --> 01:02:14,030
- And these are the
ones that we think look
1141
01:02:14,030 --> 01:02:16,560
more like Mount Hausen.
1142
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,200
As you can see, the
quarry in the background.
1143
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:26,560
- The men, usually, can not
distinguish to this day,
1144
01:02:26,860 --> 01:02:29,930
which one of those
concentration camps
1145
01:02:29,930 --> 01:02:31,860
that they actually were at.
1146
01:02:31,860 --> 01:02:35,060
Many, of course, did
not have a lot of time,
1147
01:02:35,060 --> 01:02:37,800
so it was a matter of
minutes, maybe an hour,
1148
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:42,000
that they took out of
their busy frontline duty,
1149
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,500
to take a look at
the atrocities.
1150
01:02:44,500 --> 01:02:47,200
These pictures, none the
less, haunt these men.
1151
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:52,200
Many of them talk about
Buchenwald or Ohrdruf,
1152
01:02:53,730 --> 01:02:56,100
whether it actually
is that camp,
1153
01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:58,200
or a neighboring
concentration camp.
1154
01:02:58,860 --> 01:03:00,360
- [Voiceover] I wish
I could claim some
1155
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,460
greater share of actually
liberating these camps.
1156
01:03:03,460 --> 01:03:06,430
I was rather small
potatoes at the time.
1157
01:03:06,430 --> 01:03:10,000
I did see two more camps
before I came home.
1158
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,800
One prior to clean
up, and Dachau after.
1159
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:17,200
The memory of
Ohrdruf, particularly,
1160
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,200
is engraved upon my memory.
1161
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,560
I keep the pictures close at
hand, and have made a point
1162
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,660
of looking at them frequently.
1163
01:03:24,930 --> 01:03:26,830
- We were liberating,
there was two, three, four
1164
01:03:26,830 --> 01:03:30,300
or five of 'em a day,
running into 'em,
1165
01:03:30,300 --> 01:03:32,830
and different people
running into different camps
1166
01:03:32,830 --> 01:03:34,500
and everything, as
far as that goes.
1167
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,100
As we approached the
building at Mauthausen,
1168
01:03:38,100 --> 01:03:42,600
there was this great wall that
surrounded it with the gates.
1169
01:03:43,730 --> 01:03:48,730
We were aware of something
that was different,
1170
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:54,160
and that was the odor,
that was, oh miles,
1171
01:03:54,660 --> 01:03:56,860
several miles from
the camp itself.
1172
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:01,000
And that odor was the odor of
death, it was an unusual odor
1173
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,000
that once you smell it,
you won't forget it.
1174
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,730
- It's stuck in my mind,
I can see them now,
1175
01:04:07,730 --> 01:04:09,400
as I look back there.
1176
01:04:10,300 --> 01:04:12,100
- Oh, when I came
back from the war,
1177
01:04:15,500 --> 01:04:18,300
I was tired, tired of war,
1178
01:04:19,630 --> 01:04:21,600
tired of the things
that we had seen.
1179
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,860
Washed it pretty
well, the war and my
1180
01:04:26,860 --> 01:04:29,000
experiences out of my...
1181
01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:32,600
Well, couldn't get
it out of my mind,
1182
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,330
but out of my thinking.
1183
01:04:34,700 --> 01:04:39,430
- This is so horrible, that
you get your mind on this
1184
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:41,600
and sometimes you wake up at
four o' clock in the morning,
1185
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,800
or two o'clock in the
morning, with this thing
1186
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,330
on your mind, you
can't get it off.
1187
01:04:48,330 --> 01:04:51,200
- I didn't talk, not
even to my family,
1188
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:55,760
until the early 70s,
1189
01:04:56,860 --> 01:05:00,500
when I did have some serious
psychological problems.
1190
01:05:03,830 --> 01:05:05,230
- [Voiceover] After all this,
1191
01:05:05,230 --> 01:05:07,500
what do I know about
my grandfather?
1192
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:10,260
All of this work and research
has let me walk in his shoes
1193
01:05:10,260 --> 01:05:13,460
for just one day, the
day he visited the
1194
01:05:13,460 --> 01:05:15,500
concentration camp at Ohrdruf.
1195
01:05:16,830 --> 01:05:20,300
I can see now the
fear, the horror,
1196
01:05:20,300 --> 01:05:23,700
and the guilt that the
soldiers must have felt.
1197
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,800
How do you tell your
wife or your daughter
1198
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,830
about these terrible things?
1199
01:05:29,630 --> 01:05:31,900
I can see why he kept
them from the family.
1200
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:35,430
And after a while, how
that silence became easy,
1201
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:38,400
easier than digging up the past.
1202
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,700
- I was convinced the
first photo that you see,
1203
01:05:43,700 --> 01:05:46,230
when you go to the fourth
floor, you start at Ohrdruf,
1204
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:48,460
because that's the first
one that was found.
1205
01:05:48,460 --> 01:05:49,660
I was just convinced that
one of the people in it was
1206
01:05:49,660 --> 01:05:52,430
my father, because it--
1207
01:05:52,430 --> 01:05:55,160
I could name a whole bunch
of different characteristics,
1208
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,330
that made it think
like my father.
1209
01:05:57,500 --> 01:06:01,260
- You know, we start the
story with those photographs.
1210
01:06:01,260 --> 01:06:04,800
This is how the United States
learned about the atrocities.
1211
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,800
So our story goes this way,
this is how you learn about
1212
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:11,230
the atrocities, and then
we try to explain how did
1213
01:06:11,230 --> 01:06:13,460
it happen, what happened,
1214
01:06:13,460 --> 01:06:16,460
and what were the
aftermath of this.
1215
01:06:16,460 --> 01:06:18,730
- [Voiceover] So you begin
your story with Ohrdruf,
1216
01:06:18,730 --> 01:06:19,900
the first camp liberated.
1217
01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:21,360
- Yes.
1218
01:06:25,500 --> 01:06:27,660
- [Voiceover] Touring the
Holocaust Memorial Museum,
1219
01:06:27,660 --> 01:06:30,200
I'm reminded of the
power of images.
1220
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,900
We take pictures to
remember times of meaning,
1221
01:06:32,900 --> 01:06:34,830
whether they're
birthdays, or weddings,
1222
01:06:34,830 --> 01:06:37,830
or maybe an
indescribable horror.
1223
01:06:38,900 --> 01:06:42,160
Don took his pictures as a way
of remembering what he saw.
1224
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,200
And even if he never told
their story to the family,
1225
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,560
he wanted them shared
with the world.
1226
01:06:46,860 --> 01:06:48,600
Their memory might
have died with him,
1227
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,600
but instead, I found them.
1228
01:06:50,830 --> 01:06:53,030
It took me a long time to
meet the people who could
1229
01:06:53,030 --> 01:06:55,460
help me understand, and
to collect the stories of
1230
01:06:55,460 --> 01:06:57,460
Ralph Rush and Bud Waite,
1231
01:06:57,460 --> 01:07:00,230
of Steven Fenvas,
and Anna Rosmus,
1232
01:07:00,230 --> 01:07:02,900
of my family and all of
us who've come later,
1233
01:07:02,900 --> 01:07:04,630
looking for answers.
1234
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:06,730
I could have put
Don's photos in a box,
1235
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and forgotten about them,
like I did for 16 years.
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But I now know that it's
been my responsibility
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to bring them to this museum,
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so others can know what he saw.
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It's been my duty to
keep his story alive,
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since the first day I heard
of these 16 photographs.
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[solemn instrumental music]
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[projector reel clicking]
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