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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:41,551 --> 00:00:43,517 [Roo] Hey, guys. 2 00:00:43,551 --> 00:00:44,620 [Shelby] Yeah. 3 00:00:44,655 --> 00:00:47,206 So, I got this series of messages, 4 00:00:47,241 --> 00:00:49,344 "Are you looking to make some good money? 5 00:00:49,379 --> 00:00:53,896 I pay my babies $300 for three sessions of video calls. 6 00:00:53,931 --> 00:00:55,551 When can you do a session?" 7 00:00:55,586 --> 00:00:57,000 "What do I have to do?" 8 00:00:57,034 --> 00:00:58,068 "Just play with yourself, 9 00:00:58,103 --> 00:01:00,068 your [bleep], your [bleep], tease me and stuff." 10 00:01:00,103 --> 00:01:03,241 "So, just like today or any time we do a session?" And he said, 11 00:01:03,275 --> 00:01:04,965 "Whenever you wanna make money." 12 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,931 I think there's some sort of business model here. 13 00:01:06,965 --> 00:01:08,000 [Shelby] Yeah. 14 00:01:08,034 --> 00:01:10,172 I'm touching on something that's CSAM related. 15 00:01:11,517 --> 00:01:15,103 CSAM is child sex abuse material. 16 00:01:15,137 --> 00:01:16,482 There's a market for this. 17 00:01:16,517 --> 00:01:18,517 And when there's a market for something, 18 00:01:18,551 --> 00:01:21,758 there are people who are trying to generate a profit. 19 00:01:21,793 --> 00:01:23,172 "You don't have any nudes on you?" 20 00:01:23,206 --> 00:01:24,931 "No." "Okay, that's no problem. 21 00:01:24,965 --> 00:01:26,620 Can you click a few for me right now?" 22 00:01:26,655 --> 00:01:28,275 She said, "I'm at school." 23 00:01:28,310 --> 00:01:32,034 "Well, do you wanna use the school bathroom just for a quick one?" 24 00:01:32,068 --> 00:01:35,827 There are people that aren't just looking to buy or collect. 25 00:01:35,862 --> 00:01:38,241 There are people that are looking to create. 26 00:01:38,275 --> 00:01:39,931 People who distribute CSAM, 27 00:01:39,965 --> 00:01:41,517 either professionally or for money, 28 00:01:41,551 --> 00:01:43,965 they're deep in the child pornography community. 29 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,137 There's a lot of exchanging on the dark web. 30 00:01:46,172 --> 00:01:50,137 So, we find that these people are harder to nail down. 31 00:01:50,172 --> 00:01:51,344 What do we do? 32 00:01:51,379 --> 00:01:52,620 What can we do? 33 00:01:53,896 --> 00:01:57,586 [Roo] Every day, adults exploit and abuse minors online. 34 00:01:57,620 --> 00:01:59,793 [man speaking] 35 00:01:59,827 --> 00:02:02,793 My name is Roo, and my nonprofit organization 36 00:02:02,827 --> 00:02:04,379 helps law enforcement stop... 37 00:02:04,413 --> 00:02:06,379 Would this be enough to get a warrant? 38 00:02:06,413 --> 00:02:08,137 All you need is probable cause. 39 00:02:08,172 --> 00:02:10,344 We have all the evidence we need. 40 00:02:10,379 --> 00:02:12,241 I'm a 38-year-old mother of three. 41 00:02:12,275 --> 00:02:14,034 But with the help of my team, 42 00:02:14,068 --> 00:02:16,379 I transform into a teenage girl. 43 00:02:16,413 --> 00:02:18,103 [siren wailing] 44 00:02:18,137 --> 00:02:22,862 We become the target to help protect the underage. 45 00:02:22,896 --> 00:02:24,310 [Matt] Roo, I think you should duck down. 46 00:02:24,344 --> 00:02:25,896 He's staring straight at you. 47 00:03:27,965 --> 00:03:29,724 [Roo] Flori has been talking to someone, 48 00:03:29,758 --> 00:03:34,310 who we're calling Garrett, who claims to be 17. 49 00:03:34,344 --> 00:03:37,206 Sends pictures that are super grainy 50 00:03:37,241 --> 00:03:39,034 that are supposedly him. 51 00:03:39,068 --> 00:03:41,206 These are not lives. 52 00:03:41,241 --> 00:03:45,275 So, what if he's actually 17 but he is distributing CSAM? 53 00:03:45,310 --> 00:03:46,793 [Kelly] If he is, does that... 54 00:03:46,827 --> 00:03:48,241 What's the legal ramifications there and-- 55 00:03:48,275 --> 00:03:49,793 -...do we still-- -There are different... 56 00:03:49,827 --> 00:03:51,448 So each state has different laws 57 00:03:51,482 --> 00:03:54,206 in regards to child sex abuse material 58 00:03:54,241 --> 00:03:56,137 and distributing child pornography. 59 00:03:56,172 --> 00:03:57,275 Right. 60 00:03:57,310 --> 00:04:00,620 Um, but if someone is a teenager, 61 00:04:00,655 --> 00:04:05,172 I risk being an adult that receives someone else's CSAM. 62 00:04:05,206 --> 00:04:10,793 I don't want a 17-year-old thinking that he's sending nudes to a 15-year-old. 63 00:04:10,827 --> 00:04:13,517 Look, my instincts tell me that he's not 17. 64 00:04:13,551 --> 00:04:16,862 But there is a world in which he's still 17. 65 00:04:16,896 --> 00:04:18,689 The amount of cash that he purports to have, 66 00:04:18,724 --> 00:04:20,827 he could be 17 and be a drug dealer. 67 00:04:20,862 --> 00:04:23,931 Those are things that would push me in that direction. 68 00:04:23,965 --> 00:04:26,310 He could be 17, and someone's using him 69 00:04:26,344 --> 00:04:28,655 because of the access of the fact that he's a teenager. 70 00:04:31,068 --> 00:04:33,137 I really don't feel like he's 17. 71 00:04:34,413 --> 00:04:38,103 First of all, Kik was another social media app. 72 00:04:38,137 --> 00:04:41,310 He's 17, and he's been on Kik for 1,500 days. 73 00:04:41,344 --> 00:04:42,758 Uh, that'd be four years. 74 00:04:42,793 --> 00:04:46,137 So, he's been on Kik since he was 13? 75 00:04:46,172 --> 00:04:48,655 He's saying that he goes to this magnet school. 76 00:04:48,689 --> 00:04:51,448 He just sent me the calendar, the school calendar, 77 00:04:51,482 --> 00:04:52,896 like he had it. 78 00:04:52,931 --> 00:04:55,482 If, ultimately, he's trying to get a bunch of material to sell, 79 00:04:55,517 --> 00:04:57,793 I could see him having all of this, like, 80 00:04:57,827 --> 00:04:59,896 in his bag, so he could send it to people and be like, "No, 81 00:04:59,931 --> 00:05:03,172 I really go here." Doing what we do, I guess, to build trust. 82 00:05:03,206 --> 00:05:05,586 And then he said, "I'll send you $200 83 00:05:05,620 --> 00:05:07,586 if you send me some nudes." 84 00:05:07,620 --> 00:05:09,344 What 17-year-old would pay $200 85 00:05:09,379 --> 00:05:10,482 for nudes when there's... 86 00:05:10,517 --> 00:05:12,413 -when he can go on Pornhub or... -...very extreme. 87 00:05:12,448 --> 00:05:13,586 -Yeah. -Yeah. 88 00:05:13,620 --> 00:05:15,413 I said, "Are you really 17? It's okay if you're not." 89 00:05:15,448 --> 00:05:17,103 He goes, "Tell me where you live. 90 00:05:17,137 --> 00:05:21,413 I will come to your house and I will show you my ID." 91 00:05:21,448 --> 00:05:23,689 That sounds like, 92 00:05:23,724 --> 00:05:25,931 if I wanna go to the worst-case scenario, 93 00:05:25,965 --> 00:05:27,965 it won't matter how old I am 94 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,103 because once I come to your house, you're SOL. 95 00:05:32,137 --> 00:05:35,344 What's different about him is if he is really 17, 96 00:05:35,379 --> 00:05:36,862 which I don't believe he is, 97 00:05:36,896 --> 00:05:39,793 he has offered Flori $200 for nudes. 98 00:05:41,068 --> 00:05:44,413 It's atypical behavior for a 17-year-old. 99 00:05:44,448 --> 00:05:45,793 Which makes me wonder 100 00:05:45,827 --> 00:05:47,931 if he's actually part of a CSAM ring 101 00:05:47,965 --> 00:05:50,793 or something more nefarious. 102 00:05:50,827 --> 00:05:53,965 And the only way I find out is if I keep talking with him. 103 00:06:02,517 --> 00:06:03,620 So, what I've done 104 00:06:03,655 --> 00:06:06,241 is I've made Flori's Instagram private. 105 00:06:06,275 --> 00:06:08,137 So, the only way he could look at it now 106 00:06:08,172 --> 00:06:11,413 is if he requests to follow and then we have his IG. 107 00:06:11,448 --> 00:06:13,827 So that is strategic 108 00:06:13,862 --> 00:06:15,413 because I want to know more about him, 109 00:06:15,448 --> 00:06:17,551 and he's being so elusive. 110 00:06:17,586 --> 00:06:19,137 With a username, 111 00:06:19,172 --> 00:06:22,655 we may be able to get information to determine Garrett's real age. 112 00:06:23,931 --> 00:06:25,517 [phone beeps] 113 00:06:25,551 --> 00:06:29,689 Oh, I have a follow request from him. 114 00:06:29,724 --> 00:06:33,310 But the last two numbers of his username are 98. 115 00:06:33,344 --> 00:06:35,655 If that's the year he graduated high school, 116 00:06:35,689 --> 00:06:38,103 that would make him around 41. 117 00:06:38,137 --> 00:06:42,517 If it's his birth year, that can make him 22 or 23. 118 00:06:42,551 --> 00:06:46,586 Hey, can I have you guys do a little research on this username? 119 00:06:46,620 --> 00:06:48,172 [Matt] Yeah. 120 00:06:48,206 --> 00:06:49,448 [Roo] Just so you guys know, 121 00:06:49,482 --> 00:06:52,586 he used the laughing cry emoji. 122 00:06:52,620 --> 00:06:54,689 We spend a lot of time studying language 123 00:06:54,724 --> 00:06:58,310 and syntax and tone and jargon. 124 00:06:58,344 --> 00:07:00,137 What was, you know, 125 00:07:00,172 --> 00:07:03,034 really common to say two years ago is not common today. 126 00:07:03,068 --> 00:07:06,137 Dead giveaways that someone might be older 127 00:07:06,172 --> 00:07:09,310 is poor emoji use in that, like, 128 00:07:09,344 --> 00:07:12,413 they're using the laughing-crying emoji. 129 00:07:12,448 --> 00:07:15,413 That's mostly like something for like an older person to use. 130 00:07:15,448 --> 00:07:17,241 -Teens don't really do that. -Gotcha. 131 00:07:17,275 --> 00:07:21,551 Two spaces after a period is like absolutely a giveaway. 132 00:07:21,586 --> 00:07:24,034 A teenager doesn't have time to be worried 133 00:07:24,068 --> 00:07:25,724 about whether or not something is capitalized. 134 00:07:25,758 --> 00:07:28,551 They're more concerned with getting their message out immediately. 135 00:07:30,724 --> 00:07:33,724 [Roo] I wanna talk to him because I want more information. 136 00:07:33,758 --> 00:07:36,241 And the more I talk to him, the more information, 137 00:07:36,275 --> 00:07:38,551 I believe, I will get. 138 00:07:38,586 --> 00:07:41,413 Garrett agrees to Flori's request for a call 139 00:07:41,448 --> 00:07:43,586 but with audio only. 140 00:07:43,620 --> 00:07:46,344 We have guesses on why he doesn't want to be seen. 141 00:07:46,379 --> 00:07:50,344 Our biggest suspicion is that it would expose his real age. 142 00:07:50,379 --> 00:07:51,862 I think he's calling. 143 00:07:51,896 --> 00:07:53,068 Is this his number? 144 00:07:53,103 --> 00:07:54,379 Yeah. Okay. You guys ready? 145 00:07:54,413 --> 00:07:55,482 -Yes. -Yep. 146 00:07:59,241 --> 00:08:00,379 [Garrett on phone] 147 00:08:02,310 --> 00:08:03,413 Hey, what you doing? 148 00:08:05,172 --> 00:08:06,413 Is your brother in bed? 149 00:08:07,793 --> 00:08:09,310 What's your brother's name? 150 00:08:10,724 --> 00:08:12,068 Oh, okay. 151 00:08:16,965 --> 00:08:17,896 What you doing now? 152 00:08:19,655 --> 00:08:22,034 Are you like into tech stuff? 153 00:08:24,827 --> 00:08:27,793 So you're a good student. You're a real smarty pants. 154 00:08:30,827 --> 00:08:32,758 No, you don't. You're not a cheater. 155 00:08:35,275 --> 00:08:36,793 [Roo] Is Garrett 17? 156 00:08:36,827 --> 00:08:40,965 Or is it all a lie designed to get CSAM from minors? 157 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,758 What do your parents do? 158 00:09:11,655 --> 00:09:14,379 [Roo] Garrett claims to be 17-years-old. 159 00:09:14,413 --> 00:09:16,827 And he claims to be a junior in high school. 160 00:09:16,862 --> 00:09:19,448 But the things that he's saying 161 00:09:19,482 --> 00:09:22,965 and the matter of his speaking and a few other clues, 162 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,965 my gut tells me he is not 17. 163 00:09:37,931 --> 00:09:40,862 [Roo] So, what do you do other than school? 164 00:09:40,896 --> 00:09:42,655 [Garrett on phone] 165 00:09:45,275 --> 00:09:51,068 [Roo] Flori, our teenage decoy has been communicating with an ACM named Garrett. 166 00:09:51,103 --> 00:09:53,896 He claims to only be 17-years-old, 167 00:09:53,931 --> 00:09:56,310 but a few clues lead us to think that he's lying. 168 00:10:02,517 --> 00:10:04,448 I think I'm gonna go to bed. 169 00:10:07,275 --> 00:10:11,034 Every day, the team deals with a barrage of ACMs. 170 00:10:11,068 --> 00:10:13,413 Predators who divide our attention. 171 00:10:13,448 --> 00:10:15,655 But when a threat like Garrett appears, 172 00:10:15,689 --> 00:10:18,275 we move them to the top of the list. 173 00:10:18,310 --> 00:10:21,724 So, we have these heavy hitters coming in, right, 174 00:10:21,758 --> 00:10:25,206 and they are requiring a lot of our time. 175 00:10:25,241 --> 00:10:27,448 I want to stage a funeral. 176 00:10:29,172 --> 00:10:33,551 Okay, so let's figure out which wig is best for our... 177 00:10:33,586 --> 00:10:34,965 Operation Funeral. 178 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,275 We have a lot of ACMs that are constantly in need of attention 179 00:10:39,310 --> 00:10:41,241 and time and phone calls and texts. 180 00:10:41,275 --> 00:10:44,931 So we'll put a funeral there in order to step away 181 00:10:44,965 --> 00:10:47,103 from the phone with a really good excuse. 182 00:10:47,137 --> 00:10:49,103 Yeah, it's a little extra, but so are we. 183 00:10:52,172 --> 00:10:54,379 In this scenario, we're having a grandparent die, 184 00:10:54,413 --> 00:10:57,413 which is a really likely and normal scenario 185 00:10:57,448 --> 00:10:59,586 for a teenage girl to go through. 186 00:10:59,620 --> 00:11:01,034 [Matt] Let's go be 85. 187 00:11:05,862 --> 00:11:07,275 How about a smile without teeth? 188 00:11:07,310 --> 00:11:09,000 Would old people really do this? 189 00:11:09,034 --> 00:11:11,275 I think it's like a... it's like a lifestyle photo. 190 00:11:11,310 --> 00:11:13,275 You know, she's Grandma. 191 00:11:13,310 --> 00:11:14,965 We love Grandma. 192 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,275 [Roo] In this particular case, 193 00:11:16,310 --> 00:11:18,034 we're employing the funeral tactic 194 00:11:18,068 --> 00:11:20,793 because we need to turn our attention to Garrett. 195 00:11:20,827 --> 00:11:22,310 Garrett is such a big player 196 00:11:22,344 --> 00:11:25,000 because he's so deliberately after CSAM. 197 00:11:25,034 --> 00:11:28,620 It's gonna be exciting to make Roo look double her age, for once, 198 00:11:28,655 --> 00:11:29,896 instead of half her age. 199 00:11:29,931 --> 00:11:33,965 We'll add wrinkles and some jowls and sagging 200 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,862 and clean up a couple of things, and then we're good. 201 00:11:36,896 --> 00:11:38,655 [Avalon] I don't know, I still think it's a little odd. 202 00:11:38,689 --> 00:11:40,344 What do you think? 203 00:11:40,379 --> 00:11:43,034 I don't think it's odder than a real funeral. 204 00:11:43,068 --> 00:11:46,413 Who would be psychotic enough to do this if it's not a real funeral? 205 00:11:46,448 --> 00:11:47,965 That's so crazy. 206 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,965 I legit feel like we're at a funeral right now. 207 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,206 -[Avalon] A little bit deeply upsetting, but... -Yeah. 208 00:11:53,344 --> 00:11:55,206 I'm just double checking the background here. 209 00:11:55,241 --> 00:11:56,379 Everything looks really good. 210 00:11:56,413 --> 00:11:58,206 Okay, posting now. 211 00:12:23,413 --> 00:12:29,620 I have gone back and forth with who we're calling Garrett, 212 00:12:29,655 --> 00:12:32,758 um, the 17-year-old that I do not believe is a 17-year-old. 213 00:12:32,793 --> 00:12:33,931 I have an idea, 214 00:12:33,965 --> 00:12:35,275 but I can't tell if it's dumb or not. 215 00:12:35,310 --> 00:12:37,068 When you forget your password for Instagram, 216 00:12:37,103 --> 00:12:39,068 you click on Forget Password, 217 00:12:39,103 --> 00:12:40,931 -you type in the username... -[Kelly] Yeah. 218 00:12:40,965 --> 00:12:43,448 ...you hit "next," and it'll give you... It'll say, "Oh, 219 00:12:43,482 --> 00:12:44,724 we sent a code to you." 220 00:12:44,758 --> 00:12:46,448 -And it's... -[Matt] The last four digits. 221 00:12:46,482 --> 00:12:48,275 -The last... but it'll show the last two digits. -Two. 222 00:12:48,310 --> 00:12:50,413 So, I'll see if it matches up with the number that he gave me. 223 00:12:50,448 --> 00:12:52,172 And if it doesn't, then we know that it's a burner. 224 00:12:52,206 --> 00:12:53,827 So, you're gonna pretend that you're him? 225 00:12:53,862 --> 00:12:55,172 I'm just really quickly just gonna go. 226 00:12:55,206 --> 00:12:57,448 [Matt] But he is gonna get a notice saying... 227 00:12:57,482 --> 00:12:59,620 -[Avalon] Yeah. -He's gonna get the actual text, though. 228 00:12:59,655 --> 00:13:01,344 -Yeah, that's okay. -[Matt] Okay. 229 00:13:02,620 --> 00:13:04,344 06, so not the same. 230 00:13:04,379 --> 00:13:05,862 -So I think that's a burner. -Yeah. 231 00:13:10,448 --> 00:13:12,000 He wants to get on a call, 232 00:13:12,034 --> 00:13:13,655 and it looks like a video call. 233 00:13:16,310 --> 00:13:19,000 I have to keep him on the hook till 12:00. 234 00:13:19,034 --> 00:13:20,965 And he's saying, "Send me a nude right now, 235 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,103 right now. Send nudes." 236 00:13:22,137 --> 00:13:24,137 So I have to figure out how to get around that, 237 00:13:24,172 --> 00:13:26,827 but keep him on the hook so I can still talk to him at 12:00. 238 00:13:26,862 --> 00:13:28,482 It's like a game of chicken. 239 00:13:28,517 --> 00:13:31,068 They demand nudes, they demand nudes. 240 00:13:31,103 --> 00:13:32,896 And I won't give them nudes. 241 00:13:32,931 --> 00:13:35,000 But I want info and I want info, 242 00:13:35,034 --> 00:13:36,172 and they don't give me info. 243 00:13:36,206 --> 00:13:38,310 And at some point, we come to an impasse. 244 00:13:41,517 --> 00:13:45,344 And it is so difficult to find out 245 00:13:45,379 --> 00:13:47,620 who these people are because of that. 246 00:14:11,655 --> 00:14:12,517 [Garrett speaking] 247 00:14:15,655 --> 00:14:16,724 No. 248 00:14:20,724 --> 00:14:21,896 Not at all. 249 00:14:27,413 --> 00:14:29,172 How about you try calling me? 250 00:14:32,724 --> 00:14:34,000 Just click the video button. 251 00:14:37,206 --> 00:14:39,137 All right. 252 00:14:39,172 --> 00:14:40,896 [ringtone chimes] 253 00:14:40,931 --> 00:14:43,862 A 17-year-old who's never used Instagram video before. 254 00:14:49,310 --> 00:14:50,655 I can't. 255 00:14:50,689 --> 00:14:52,724 Like all... it looks like it's like this. 256 00:14:54,206 --> 00:14:55,586 Like your hand, is your hand, 257 00:14:55,620 --> 00:14:56,931 is your thumb in front of it? 258 00:15:03,241 --> 00:15:05,965 I can't see you. I don't think it's working. 259 00:15:08,172 --> 00:15:09,931 All right, bye. 260 00:15:11,758 --> 00:15:14,241 He said his camera is not working at all. 261 00:15:16,103 --> 00:15:19,965 But-- Oh. He's sending me something here. 262 00:15:39,965 --> 00:15:42,758 He sent a screen recording of his phone, 263 00:15:42,793 --> 00:15:44,724 which is some intel 264 00:15:44,758 --> 00:15:49,448 because I can get something off this. 265 00:15:51,620 --> 00:15:52,862 This right here, 266 00:15:52,896 --> 00:15:54,655 where it has another username up, 267 00:15:54,689 --> 00:15:56,965 that means he's signed into multiple accounts. 268 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,275 Bottom left-hand corner. 269 00:15:58,310 --> 00:15:59,655 [Shelby] Yeah. That's a bunch of cash. 270 00:15:59,689 --> 00:16:01,068 [Matt] Uh-huh. That is a bunch of cash. 271 00:16:01,103 --> 00:16:03,827 -Is he sending that as incentive... -[Avalon] Totally. 272 00:16:03,862 --> 00:16:05,034 ...to other teenage girls? 273 00:16:05,068 --> 00:16:07,551 I feel like if he's in the business of doing this, 274 00:16:07,586 --> 00:16:09,689 -then there's tons of that floating around. -That's dangerous, 275 00:16:09,724 --> 00:16:11,103 that's really dangerous 'cause that means 276 00:16:11,137 --> 00:16:12,517 he's probably got a big library of CSAM. 277 00:16:12,551 --> 00:16:13,965 [Roo] As we go frame by frame, 278 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,172 we're able to discern just a few more things about him 279 00:16:17,206 --> 00:16:19,034 that he unknowingly sent to us. 280 00:16:19,068 --> 00:16:21,137 Just a few things that don't give us much, 281 00:16:21,172 --> 00:16:22,655 but they give us enough to go, 282 00:16:22,689 --> 00:16:26,206 "Here are all the signs of subterfuge." 283 00:16:26,241 --> 00:16:29,310 Also, one of the apps that he has on his phone is LinkedIn. 284 00:16:29,344 --> 00:16:31,241 No 17-year-olds have LinkedIn. 285 00:16:31,275 --> 00:16:35,965 The presence of LinkedIn really does make me think that he's not 17. 286 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,620 Yeah, that's what it is for me, too. 287 00:16:37,655 --> 00:16:38,689 It's the LinkedIn. 288 00:16:38,724 --> 00:16:41,655 Okay, so, um, I think... 289 00:16:43,965 --> 00:16:45,137 he's not 17. 290 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,689 [dramatic music playing] 291 00:16:49,689 --> 00:16:51,034 [Roo] With the team in agreement, 292 00:16:51,068 --> 00:16:54,275 we turn our focus to figuring out Garrett's identity. 293 00:17:09,413 --> 00:17:12,103 Garrett is interested in meeting up tonight. 294 00:17:12,137 --> 00:17:13,448 Why? 295 00:17:13,482 --> 00:17:16,206 [Shelby] Yeah, if he's not gonna show you his face 296 00:17:16,241 --> 00:17:17,931 through a screen, right, 297 00:17:17,965 --> 00:17:19,655 and be like, "But I'll meet you in person"-- 298 00:17:19,689 --> 00:17:22,689 The most extreme is kidnapping. 299 00:17:28,482 --> 00:17:30,896 Train station, what if he picks her up from the train station? 300 00:17:30,931 --> 00:17:32,172 That might be a decent place 301 00:17:32,206 --> 00:17:34,103 because then he has to sit there and wait there. 302 00:17:34,137 --> 00:17:36,172 So, there are two train stations in Fairfield. 303 00:17:36,206 --> 00:17:37,827 There's Fairfield and there's Fairfield Metro. 304 00:17:37,862 --> 00:17:39,448 Let's get them up. 305 00:17:39,482 --> 00:17:43,448 Meeting at the Fairfield train station could give us an opportunity 306 00:17:43,482 --> 00:17:47,034 to ID Garrett in the safety of a public space. 307 00:17:47,068 --> 00:17:51,103 If Flori can be physically seen disembarking the commuter rail, 308 00:17:51,137 --> 00:17:54,551 we're hoping Garrett will reveal himself and we can tag his vehicle. 309 00:18:03,482 --> 00:18:04,965 Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. 310 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,620 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. 311 00:18:12,206 --> 00:18:14,103 This is about you being a virgin, 312 00:18:14,137 --> 00:18:15,310 not about you being underage. 313 00:18:15,344 --> 00:18:17,034 I mean, do we think that it's... 314 00:18:17,068 --> 00:18:20,448 There is a world in which he's asking these questions on behalf of someone else. 315 00:18:21,896 --> 00:18:23,758 It makes it seem like he's buying for someone. 316 00:18:23,793 --> 00:18:25,275 He's getting the stats on her right, like, 317 00:18:25,310 --> 00:18:28,482 he's creating a profile to send to someone. 318 00:18:28,517 --> 00:18:30,137 He wants the pictures, "How tall are you? 319 00:18:30,172 --> 00:18:31,758 How much do you weigh? Is your hymen intact?" 320 00:18:31,793 --> 00:18:33,000 And "Here's a picture of her vagina. 321 00:18:33,034 --> 00:18:34,103 Do you want her?" 322 00:18:34,137 --> 00:18:37,000 It feels like he's selling her off like cattle. 323 00:18:50,379 --> 00:18:53,551 [Roo] I am meeting Garrett at the Fairfield Metro train station, 324 00:18:53,586 --> 00:18:57,344 he is going to be picking me up at nine o'clock. 325 00:18:57,379 --> 00:18:58,862 I think what's making everyone nervous 326 00:18:58,896 --> 00:19:00,620 is that there are too many unknowns. 327 00:19:00,655 --> 00:19:03,103 Shelby and Damien are at the train station right now, 328 00:19:03,137 --> 00:19:06,586 trying to suss out what the parking situation is. 329 00:19:13,965 --> 00:19:15,620 [Roo] The plan is for Flori to board 330 00:19:15,655 --> 00:19:18,068 the eastbound train to Fairfield, Connecticut. 331 00:19:18,103 --> 00:19:20,586 Our hope is that Garrett reveals himself. 332 00:19:20,620 --> 00:19:22,965 We get pictures, a license plate, 333 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,655 something that can reveal his identity. 334 00:19:25,689 --> 00:19:28,793 Is there even a second exit to exit the station? 335 00:19:28,827 --> 00:19:31,275 Yeah. Maybe the one exit right there. 336 00:19:31,310 --> 00:19:33,413 That's it. 337 00:19:33,448 --> 00:19:36,448 [Roo] The concern is that the station is huge. 338 00:19:36,482 --> 00:19:40,310 And we don't know who or what Garrett really is. 339 00:19:40,344 --> 00:19:42,172 Will there be more than one person? 340 00:19:42,206 --> 00:19:43,724 Will they be armed? 341 00:19:43,758 --> 00:19:44,931 It's a risk. 342 00:19:44,965 --> 00:19:47,620 But with so much at stake, there's no other choice. 343 00:19:47,655 --> 00:19:48,931 [Shelby speaking] 344 00:19:50,275 --> 00:19:52,620 -Okay, wig. Kelly, you got it? -Yep. 345 00:19:52,655 --> 00:19:54,586 -You wanna meet me upstairs? -Yep. 346 00:19:54,620 --> 00:19:56,344 We do these stakeouts and these stings, 347 00:19:56,379 --> 00:20:01,068 and I'm aware of how these things can go awry. 348 00:20:01,103 --> 00:20:04,137 We're going in pretty blind. 349 00:20:04,172 --> 00:20:07,758 We don't know, is this someone with priors? 350 00:20:07,793 --> 00:20:10,758 Is this someone who owns a gun? 351 00:20:10,793 --> 00:20:13,931 So meetups with ACMs are always a bit nerve-racking 352 00:20:13,965 --> 00:20:16,551 because there's something that could go wrong. 353 00:20:16,586 --> 00:20:17,827 It's a... 354 00:20:17,862 --> 00:20:19,448 it's a high risk, high reward. 355 00:20:19,482 --> 00:20:20,965 Oh, hold on, hold on. 356 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,862 I wanted to talk to my kids before I do this. 357 00:20:25,344 --> 00:20:26,724 Hi. 358 00:20:26,758 --> 00:20:27,620 [girl speaking] 359 00:20:27,655 --> 00:20:29,241 Hey, look, who's here with me. 360 00:20:29,275 --> 00:20:30,482 It's Kelly. 361 00:20:31,655 --> 00:20:32,724 Hi. 362 00:20:32,758 --> 00:20:35,000 Hey, I am... just wanted to say goodnight to you 363 00:20:35,034 --> 00:20:37,344 because I have to go do some work-y things, 364 00:20:37,379 --> 00:20:38,931 and I just wanted to say good night now. 365 00:20:38,965 --> 00:20:40,000 Okay? 366 00:20:46,172 --> 00:20:48,172 Yes, in fact, I have 367 00:20:48,206 --> 00:20:50,448 a present here right now 368 00:20:50,482 --> 00:20:53,137 for someone's ninth birthday. 369 00:20:54,655 --> 00:20:56,517 Mmm. I wonder. 370 00:20:56,551 --> 00:20:59,724 [Roo] There have been times where I've been away from them. 371 00:20:59,758 --> 00:21:01,827 People would say things like, 372 00:21:01,862 --> 00:21:04,034 "How could you leave your kids? How could you... 373 00:21:04,068 --> 00:21:05,206 How could you leave your children? 374 00:21:05,241 --> 00:21:06,724 You're like going off and doing this 375 00:21:06,758 --> 00:21:08,034 and you're leaving your kids at home." 376 00:21:09,965 --> 00:21:14,517 The only way that I would leave my kids is for the sake of... 377 00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:17,896 forgive me, the sake of all kids. 378 00:21:19,793 --> 00:21:22,206 I also sometimes wish I was the mom 379 00:21:22,241 --> 00:21:25,517 that was home after school and making cookies. 380 00:21:25,551 --> 00:21:27,206 And maybe I can be both at some point, 381 00:21:27,241 --> 00:21:29,517 but right now this is, this is important. 382 00:21:30,586 --> 00:21:31,689 [girl speaking] 383 00:21:31,724 --> 00:21:34,344 Thank you, Avalon did it for me. 384 00:21:36,172 --> 00:21:37,344 Thank you. 385 00:21:37,379 --> 00:21:40,724 Well, I gotta go, but I wanted to say goodnight, okay? 386 00:21:42,413 --> 00:21:44,000 Good night, baby. I love you. 387 00:21:51,344 --> 00:21:52,344 Okay. 388 00:21:59,517 --> 00:22:00,655 That looks great. 389 00:22:00,689 --> 00:22:02,931 -With a mask... -Definitely. 390 00:22:02,965 --> 00:22:04,137 -Yes. -Far away. Backpack. 391 00:22:04,172 --> 00:22:05,931 -[Kelly] I think it's perfect. -Yeah. You really sell It. 392 00:22:05,965 --> 00:22:07,068 Okay. 393 00:22:07,103 --> 00:22:08,241 [Matt] Be careful. 394 00:22:10,482 --> 00:22:11,793 -See you soon. -Yeah. 395 00:22:24,793 --> 00:22:27,862 Gosh, every time he says something that 396 00:22:27,896 --> 00:22:29,620 is something a 17-year-old would say, 397 00:22:29,655 --> 00:22:31,965 there's a part of me that goes, "What if he is 17?" 398 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,275 But he is not. 399 00:22:35,172 --> 00:22:38,586 All we have are photos of someone 400 00:22:38,620 --> 00:22:42,379 that we don't believe is him, and maybe it's a Honda Civic, 401 00:22:42,413 --> 00:22:43,896 we don't have a color. 402 00:22:43,931 --> 00:22:47,758 Maybe it's an SUV. We're not quite sure. 403 00:22:47,793 --> 00:22:49,103 He claims he doesn't have a license, 404 00:22:49,137 --> 00:22:51,103 he only has a permit. 405 00:22:51,137 --> 00:22:52,275 All of these things... 406 00:22:54,965 --> 00:22:56,758 There's just so many unknowns, and then, 407 00:22:56,793 --> 00:23:03,689 of course, the level of crimes that he's committed 408 00:23:03,724 --> 00:23:05,862 or is wanting to commit. 409 00:23:05,896 --> 00:23:07,379 Oh, no, hold on a second. 410 00:23:07,413 --> 00:23:08,482 Is he backing out? 411 00:23:10,241 --> 00:23:11,827 He just said, "I forgot." 412 00:23:14,068 --> 00:23:15,275 "You forgot what?" 413 00:23:26,448 --> 00:23:27,758 -Suda. -Yep. 414 00:23:27,793 --> 00:23:29,034 He just canceled. 415 00:23:29,068 --> 00:23:30,517 He did? 416 00:23:30,551 --> 00:23:32,206 Did he give a reason? 417 00:23:32,241 --> 00:23:33,827 He has to watch his little brother. 418 00:23:42,793 --> 00:23:44,620 After backing out of the meet, 419 00:23:44,655 --> 00:23:47,482 our worst possible outcome is realized, 420 00:23:47,517 --> 00:23:49,344 Garrett disappears. 421 00:24:00,655 --> 00:24:05,275 The next day, another ACM reaches out looking for CSAM. 422 00:24:05,310 --> 00:24:07,551 So, we start from square one. 423 00:24:35,551 --> 00:24:38,206 After the disappointment of Garrett going dark, 424 00:24:38,241 --> 00:24:43,931 we're determined not to let another ACM dealing in CSAM get away. 425 00:24:43,965 --> 00:24:45,379 I want to introduce you to someone 426 00:24:45,413 --> 00:24:47,413 who has reached out to Flori. 427 00:24:55,275 --> 00:24:58,206 He is not even remotely concerned with her age. 428 00:24:58,241 --> 00:24:59,586 No. 429 00:24:59,620 --> 00:25:01,655 She's like, "I've never done anything like this before, like, 430 00:25:01,689 --> 00:25:03,068 should we just do pizza first?" 431 00:25:03,103 --> 00:25:04,517 And the reason why I'm saying this is 432 00:25:04,551 --> 00:25:06,586 -because I want to know who he is. -[Shelby] Mmm-hmm. Yeah. 433 00:25:06,620 --> 00:25:08,689 I don't have a face, I don't have any photos. 434 00:25:08,724 --> 00:25:12,448 Identifying ACMs who are deep into CSAM is very difficult 435 00:25:12,482 --> 00:25:14,620 because they know what they're doing is criminal 436 00:25:14,655 --> 00:25:16,000 and they cover their tracks 437 00:25:16,034 --> 00:25:18,724 and they cover their identities very well. 438 00:25:18,758 --> 00:25:20,413 So, this is what I got today. 439 00:25:32,758 --> 00:25:34,241 He's soliciting a minor. 440 00:25:34,275 --> 00:25:36,586 He's asking to pay for nudes. 441 00:25:36,620 --> 00:25:38,448 He's just freely abusing online. 442 00:25:39,931 --> 00:25:41,793 He's been on Kik for over nine years. 443 00:25:41,827 --> 00:25:43,344 [Shelby] Jeez. 444 00:25:43,379 --> 00:25:45,758 How much CSAM does this man have on his devices? 445 00:25:45,793 --> 00:25:47,103 We keep losing ACMs 446 00:25:47,137 --> 00:25:48,827 who are clearly out to collect CSAM. 447 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,172 I mean, we come to that impasse 448 00:25:51,206 --> 00:25:53,344 where we're not willing to give nudity 449 00:25:53,379 --> 00:25:56,586 and they're certainly not willing to give their information. 450 00:26:06,724 --> 00:26:08,068 I'm so, I'm... 451 00:26:10,241 --> 00:26:14,034 Just like Garrett, it is more likely than not that I will lose Jared. 452 00:26:14,068 --> 00:26:17,551 It is more likely than not that he will be in the wind 453 00:26:17,586 --> 00:26:19,689 and he will continue to commit his crimes 454 00:26:19,724 --> 00:26:21,655 because we have nothing on him. 455 00:26:21,689 --> 00:26:24,413 I would give a lot right now to make sure 456 00:26:24,448 --> 00:26:28,310 that he doesn't get to continue abusing people 457 00:26:28,344 --> 00:26:30,206 and to ensure that he doesn't talk to a minor 458 00:26:30,241 --> 00:26:31,241 this way ever again. 459 00:26:32,620 --> 00:26:34,482 Not in baggy clothes like your real body. 460 00:26:34,517 --> 00:26:37,137 I wanna see what photos I've sent him. 461 00:26:37,172 --> 00:26:38,517 Okay, I had blond hair. 462 00:26:38,551 --> 00:26:39,793 Do we have the Flori wig? 463 00:26:39,827 --> 00:26:41,137 -[Matt] We have the Flori wig. -Yeah. 464 00:26:41,172 --> 00:26:42,482 I'll just do body for now. 465 00:26:43,724 --> 00:26:46,310 What they want is something that we won't give. 466 00:26:46,344 --> 00:26:48,275 And they want nudity. 467 00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:51,517 What I want, they won't give to me, and I want their identity. 468 00:26:51,551 --> 00:26:53,413 Eventually, those ACMs, 469 00:26:53,448 --> 00:26:55,827 when they realize that Flori or Natalie or one of our 470 00:26:55,862 --> 00:26:57,827 other personas is not an easy target, 471 00:26:57,862 --> 00:26:59,517 they cut their losses and move on. 472 00:27:00,793 --> 00:27:02,137 I don't know what else to do. 473 00:27:02,172 --> 00:27:05,034 I feel, um... 474 00:27:07,758 --> 00:27:10,413 I feel a little hopeless when it comes to this. 475 00:27:19,241 --> 00:27:21,758 I don't know how to solve this one. 476 00:27:21,793 --> 00:27:25,206 I don't know how to solve it. And when it comes to CSAM and... 477 00:27:25,241 --> 00:27:27,103 well, people like Jared and people like Garrett 478 00:27:27,137 --> 00:27:32,724 and these other people that only exist to create child pornography, 479 00:27:32,758 --> 00:27:33,896 I don't... 480 00:27:36,344 --> 00:27:37,931 I don't know how to solve those. 481 00:27:51,344 --> 00:27:52,896 [Roo] I just want to know who he is 482 00:27:52,931 --> 00:27:56,068 because I know he is just loaded up on CSAM 483 00:27:56,103 --> 00:27:57,965 and maybe he's profiting off it. 484 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,862 I just can't get him to give me anything. 485 00:28:01,896 --> 00:28:05,344 Jared says, "Send me a nude." And I say, 486 00:28:05,379 --> 00:28:06,448 "You've never... 487 00:28:06,482 --> 00:28:07,965 I don't even know what you look like. 488 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,931 I haven't even heard your voice. 489 00:28:09,965 --> 00:28:13,103 Get on a call with me or, you know, show me your face. 490 00:28:13,137 --> 00:28:14,620 You know, give me something, 491 00:28:14,655 --> 00:28:16,965 and I'll be more comfortable sending photos." 492 00:28:29,172 --> 00:28:31,413 Ah! "Just finishing this deal, and I'll call you." 493 00:28:35,827 --> 00:28:37,586 What is this? 494 00:28:37,620 --> 00:28:41,034 He sent a screengrab, what app is this? 495 00:28:41,068 --> 00:28:42,379 Maybe it's one of those like OfferUp. 496 00:28:42,413 --> 00:28:43,551 OfferUp? 497 00:28:43,586 --> 00:28:46,517 -Yeah, I think it is OfferUp. It is. -Okay. 498 00:28:46,551 --> 00:28:48,000 What is he selling? 499 00:28:48,034 --> 00:28:50,310 So right here, it's supposed to be a picture of what is being sold. 500 00:28:50,344 --> 00:28:52,448 Wait, is that a PS5? 501 00:28:52,482 --> 00:28:54,793 Could we find his OfferUp profile? 502 00:28:54,827 --> 00:28:56,413 -Oh, my God. -I was thinking about that. 503 00:28:56,448 --> 00:28:58,310 Yeah, if we could find his OfferUp profile, 504 00:28:58,344 --> 00:28:59,620 do we get even just even just 505 00:28:59,655 --> 00:29:01,517 -a little bit more information. -I mean, can we all... 506 00:29:01,551 --> 00:29:03,827 can we search for PS5s and then match it to that photo. 507 00:29:10,689 --> 00:29:12,344 I found [bleep]. I found [bleep]. 508 00:29:12,379 --> 00:29:13,482 Hold on. Stand by. 509 00:29:14,241 --> 00:29:15,862 What is this profile picture? 510 00:29:21,689 --> 00:29:22,827 No! 511 00:29:24,482 --> 00:29:27,034 You guys. No, no! 512 00:29:27,068 --> 00:29:28,620 [Kelly] What? 513 00:29:28,655 --> 00:29:31,379 Jared and Garrett are the same person. 514 00:29:31,413 --> 00:29:34,103 -[Shelby] No [bleep] way. -They're the same person. 515 00:29:35,896 --> 00:29:37,517 [Damien] Oh, wow. Holy [bleep]! Yeah. 516 00:29:39,827 --> 00:29:42,482 [Roo] He sent a screen recording of his phone. 517 00:29:42,517 --> 00:29:44,448 Which is some intel. 518 00:29:45,827 --> 00:29:47,206 [Damien] Whoa. 519 00:29:47,241 --> 00:29:48,655 -That's unbelievable. -Am I wrong? 520 00:29:48,689 --> 00:29:51,482 -No, you're right! You're right! It has to be. -That's unbelievable. 521 00:29:51,517 --> 00:29:56,827 The profile picture is of the exact same super distinct lion. 522 00:29:56,862 --> 00:29:59,896 At that point, all of it comes together. 523 00:29:59,931 --> 00:30:03,000 The interest in computers and video games, 524 00:30:03,034 --> 00:30:06,068 the location in Connecticut and even the way 525 00:30:06,103 --> 00:30:10,689 that he's asking that Flori send explicit photos, all of that tracks. 526 00:30:10,724 --> 00:30:12,482 Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 527 00:30:12,517 --> 00:30:15,827 This is the same CSAM [bleep]. Garrett is Jared. 528 00:30:15,862 --> 00:30:17,103 Garrett never went away. 529 00:30:17,137 --> 00:30:18,965 -He just became Jared. -Yeah, dude, yeah. 530 00:30:21,586 --> 00:30:27,827 There is no way that Garrett was going to meet Flori at a train station. 531 00:30:27,862 --> 00:30:29,275 They stopped talking, 532 00:30:29,310 --> 00:30:31,517 and so he's communicating with her 533 00:30:31,551 --> 00:30:33,206 under a different account, 534 00:30:33,241 --> 00:30:35,896 again for the same purpose, CSAM. 535 00:30:37,068 --> 00:30:39,965 So, we need to figure out who he is. 536 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,517 There's this guy, 537 00:30:41,551 --> 00:30:45,862 he's selling the same items that Jared is selling on Facebook Marketplace. 538 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,965 There's not a lot of pictures of this person. 539 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,827 Can you look at some of his posts? 540 00:30:51,862 --> 00:30:53,000 [Matt] Yeah. 541 00:30:54,137 --> 00:30:56,103 -No. -Oh, wait. 542 00:30:56,137 --> 00:30:57,793 [Kelly] Oh, it's a GoFundMe. 543 00:30:57,827 --> 00:30:59,517 -He did mention... -[Matt] Funeral expenses. 544 00:30:59,551 --> 00:31:04,034 Matt finds a GoFundMe link via the potential match's Facebook page. 545 00:31:04,068 --> 00:31:07,620 It links to a fundraiser for the ACM's father. 546 00:31:07,655 --> 00:31:09,517 Wait, look at the fundraising team. 547 00:31:09,551 --> 00:31:11,862 Three people, all the same surname. 548 00:31:11,896 --> 00:31:12,931 Okay. 549 00:31:12,965 --> 00:31:14,275 Our beloved father. 550 00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:15,620 This is, this is their dad. 551 00:31:15,655 --> 00:31:16,965 [Roo] There are three accounts. 552 00:31:19,137 --> 00:31:21,034 Three possible matches, 553 00:31:21,068 --> 00:31:22,862 all with the same last name. 554 00:31:23,896 --> 00:31:25,068 If there's no photos of him, 555 00:31:25,103 --> 00:31:26,344 then perhaps there are photos of him 556 00:31:26,379 --> 00:31:28,862 on one of the multiple other family members' pages. 557 00:31:28,896 --> 00:31:30,896 Whether it's like a family reunion photo. 558 00:31:32,551 --> 00:31:33,689 Hold on. 559 00:31:35,620 --> 00:31:36,931 Are these siblings? 560 00:31:38,068 --> 00:31:41,517 On another person, I guess, his sister, 561 00:31:41,551 --> 00:31:43,689 it comes up with her family relationship 562 00:31:43,724 --> 00:31:47,896 and they are showing as two brothers of hers. 563 00:31:47,931 --> 00:31:49,655 [Roo] One of them has to be Jared. 564 00:31:49,689 --> 00:31:51,034 [Shelby] Yeah. 565 00:31:51,068 --> 00:31:54,896 [Roo] Two brothers, two suspects, 566 00:31:54,931 --> 00:31:58,206 their appearances are very different from one another. 567 00:31:58,241 --> 00:32:00,068 They have different body types. 568 00:32:01,206 --> 00:32:02,482 Which brother is it? 569 00:32:04,896 --> 00:32:07,586 Okay, so we have a Facebook, we have an OfferUp. 570 00:32:12,862 --> 00:32:16,655 Let's [bleep] buy the Nintendo Switch Monster Hunter from him. 571 00:32:17,862 --> 00:32:19,344 -We could... -That also might be able to get 572 00:32:19,379 --> 00:32:21,448 -a physical meet with him or to identify him. -Yes. 573 00:32:21,482 --> 00:32:22,758 Absolutely, it's a physical meet. 574 00:32:22,793 --> 00:32:24,620 I mean, we can [bleep] buy this from him. 575 00:32:24,655 --> 00:32:26,034 Yeah. 576 00:32:26,068 --> 00:32:28,620 [Roo] In order for us to figure out which brother it is, 577 00:32:28,655 --> 00:32:31,068 we'll have to do an in-person meet. 578 00:32:31,103 --> 00:32:32,793 We know he won't meet Flori, 579 00:32:32,827 --> 00:32:36,586 but he will meet and sell one of his gaming devices to someone else. 580 00:32:36,620 --> 00:32:37,827 Hey, Matt, wanna buy a Switch? 581 00:32:37,862 --> 00:32:40,241 I would love to buy a Switch. 582 00:32:40,275 --> 00:32:43,068 [Roo] We create a fake online account on OfferUp 583 00:32:43,103 --> 00:32:45,482 and attempt to make a purchase from our ACM. 584 00:32:54,827 --> 00:32:57,793 Um, he said that we could just use his home. 585 00:32:59,862 --> 00:33:03,517 SOSA doesn't treat ACMs who deal in CSAM lightly. 586 00:33:03,551 --> 00:33:05,896 In February, 2021, 587 00:33:05,931 --> 00:33:09,310 two FBI agents lost their lives investigating 588 00:33:09,344 --> 00:33:11,068 a massive child porn case. 589 00:33:11,103 --> 00:33:13,965 [news anchor] We begin with one of the deadliest days in FBI history. 590 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,068 Two FBI agents were killed today. 591 00:33:16,103 --> 00:33:19,172 Those agents were called to execute a search warrant 592 00:33:19,206 --> 00:33:21,103 on a child pornography case. 593 00:33:21,137 --> 00:33:25,310 The suspect may have watched the agents on a doorbell camera 594 00:33:25,344 --> 00:33:28,172 as they approached and then shot them 595 00:33:28,206 --> 00:33:30,103 through the front door of the apartment. 596 00:33:30,137 --> 00:33:33,517 Both of those FBI agents who were killed specialized 597 00:33:33,551 --> 00:33:35,517 in child pornography investigations 598 00:33:35,551 --> 00:33:38,896 and spent every single day for the last several years 599 00:33:38,931 --> 00:33:42,034 working to protect children. 600 00:33:42,068 --> 00:33:43,965 [Roo] Instead of agreeing to go to his house, 601 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,000 we suggest an alternate location. 602 00:34:00,586 --> 00:34:02,517 Can you just type in McDonald's? 603 00:34:02,551 --> 00:34:03,931 -Okay. -Got it? 604 00:34:05,896 --> 00:34:07,206 We're gonna drop you off first, 605 00:34:07,241 --> 00:34:09,827 and then I'm gonna spin back around and then I'm gonna park. 606 00:34:11,137 --> 00:34:12,413 So that you can walk in. 607 00:34:12,448 --> 00:34:14,241 Yeah. 608 00:34:14,275 --> 00:34:18,206 [Roo] Jared agrees to meet at a fast-food restaurant for the gaming system sale. 609 00:34:18,241 --> 00:34:20,310 While Matt goes into the restaurant, 610 00:34:20,344 --> 00:34:24,000 Detective Suda and I will watch to see which brother shows up. 611 00:34:33,896 --> 00:34:34,965 He said he can't do it. 612 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,068 "Let's meet tomorrow during the day." [bleep] 613 00:34:40,241 --> 00:34:41,310 What do you want me to say? 614 00:34:41,344 --> 00:34:43,896 Uh, you should say, 615 00:34:43,931 --> 00:34:46,241 I work during the day tomorrow, 616 00:34:46,275 --> 00:34:47,793 so I can't do tomorrow. 617 00:34:47,827 --> 00:34:49,103 Say, "I'm work... 618 00:34:49,137 --> 00:34:50,793 I'm at work tomorrow during the day." 619 00:34:50,827 --> 00:34:51,965 Sounds good. 620 00:34:52,965 --> 00:34:54,965 So, what's next? 621 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,310 You want... Should we call him? 622 00:34:59,655 --> 00:35:01,965 Unless we go ahead and just meet him at his house. 623 00:35:05,655 --> 00:35:07,896 [Matt] Yeah. I mean, I feel like it's worthy of a scout. 624 00:35:09,655 --> 00:35:10,689 Call Suda. 625 00:35:12,827 --> 00:35:13,931 [Suda] Hello. 626 00:35:13,965 --> 00:35:16,379 [Roo speaking] 627 00:35:22,068 --> 00:35:24,206 I mean, if you guys feel confident, 628 00:35:24,241 --> 00:35:26,965 just let me get there like five minutes prior, 629 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,241 just to get... 630 00:35:28,275 --> 00:35:30,586 make sure I got a good spot and then I'll call you guys in. 631 00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:31,827 Okay. 632 00:35:31,862 --> 00:35:34,862 [Roo] Detective Suda okays the meet at Jared's home, 633 00:35:34,896 --> 00:35:38,517 but only because the meet is legal and transactional. 634 00:35:38,551 --> 00:35:41,310 He's not meeting an underage decoy for sex. 635 00:35:41,344 --> 00:35:44,310 He's meeting Matt to sell a gaming system. 636 00:35:44,344 --> 00:35:45,655 Just say, "Would it still work 637 00:35:45,689 --> 00:35:47,137 if I just swing by your house? 638 00:35:56,068 --> 00:35:57,448 We have an address. 639 00:35:57,482 --> 00:35:58,689 [Matt] Okay. 640 00:36:15,689 --> 00:36:18,137 [Roo] I just want him to pass off the money, 641 00:36:18,172 --> 00:36:20,413 take the Switch, let him count the money. 642 00:36:20,448 --> 00:36:23,379 We'll try to get a good look at him and then get out of there. 643 00:36:23,413 --> 00:36:24,586 [Suda speaking] 644 00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:27,896 I'm just, uh... I'm gonna go pull, uh, closer right now. 645 00:36:29,103 --> 00:36:30,103 [Roo on phone] 646 00:36:32,517 --> 00:36:34,137 [Roo] Is this the street? 647 00:36:34,172 --> 00:36:35,793 [Matt] This is the street. 648 00:36:42,517 --> 00:36:44,931 [Suda] Okay. I don't see anybody looking out the window as of yet. 649 00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:52,827 Silver Nissan [bleep], park right in front of that. 650 00:36:54,517 --> 00:36:57,103 Roo, when you park, just turn your lights off. 651 00:36:57,137 --> 00:36:58,137 [Roo] Yes, sir. 652 00:37:06,965 --> 00:37:08,103 All right, good. 653 00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:20,724 [sighs] 654 00:37:28,793 --> 00:37:31,103 [door creaks] 655 00:37:31,137 --> 00:37:32,344 Okay, door opening. 656 00:37:32,379 --> 00:37:33,724 Oh, God. Oh, God. 657 00:37:35,172 --> 00:37:36,206 [Matt] How you doing? 658 00:37:38,206 --> 00:37:40,000 Don't walk up those steps, Matt. 659 00:37:42,689 --> 00:37:43,965 No, don't. 660 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,034 [Suda on comms] Walking up. 661 00:37:47,793 --> 00:37:49,275 God damn it, Matt. 662 00:37:52,965 --> 00:37:54,517 Looks like the money was handed off. 663 00:38:00,551 --> 00:38:02,275 Come on, Matt, what's going on here? 664 00:38:04,724 --> 00:38:06,931 Do you have visibility inside the house? 665 00:38:06,965 --> 00:38:08,172 Nothing yet. 666 00:38:08,206 --> 00:38:09,517 I want Matt to get out of there. 667 00:38:09,551 --> 00:38:11,586 I don't love that he's still standing here. 668 00:38:14,103 --> 00:38:15,689 All right. Move your ass, Matt. 669 00:38:20,034 --> 00:38:21,344 Grab the box. 670 00:38:26,241 --> 00:38:27,344 All right. 671 00:38:27,379 --> 00:38:30,413 Move, move, move, move, move, move. 672 00:38:30,448 --> 00:38:32,827 [Suda on comms] Where do you want me to drive coming up-- Okay, we'll-- 673 00:38:32,862 --> 00:38:34,448 Yeah. Hold on. Hold on. 674 00:38:34,482 --> 00:38:36,931 Get in. Get in, get in, get in. 675 00:38:36,965 --> 00:38:38,586 How are you? Are you okay? 676 00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:40,000 I'm okay. 677 00:38:40,034 --> 00:38:41,551 That was definitely him. 678 00:38:41,586 --> 00:38:42,862 Did he say his name? 679 00:38:42,896 --> 00:38:44,172 He did not say his name. 680 00:38:44,206 --> 00:38:46,620 I could tell he was being a little protective with things. 681 00:38:46,655 --> 00:38:48,000 You have the recordings on your phone. 682 00:38:48,034 --> 00:38:49,034 [Matt] I have it. All good. 683 00:38:52,551 --> 00:38:54,517 [Roo] He opened the door, walked right up the steps. 684 00:38:54,551 --> 00:38:57,896 They did the transaction, and because he had to take it 685 00:38:57,931 --> 00:38:59,862 out of the envelope and count the money, 686 00:38:59,896 --> 00:39:01,620 Matt got good footage of him. 687 00:39:01,655 --> 00:39:02,793 -Yeah. -You wanna cast it? 688 00:39:02,827 --> 00:39:03,862 Yeah. 689 00:39:07,482 --> 00:39:08,586 Hey, how's it going? 690 00:39:09,793 --> 00:39:11,137 Cute cat. 691 00:39:11,793 --> 00:39:12,655 [Jared speaking] 692 00:39:15,655 --> 00:39:16,620 [Matt] Thanks. 693 00:39:18,172 --> 00:39:19,000 How you doing? 694 00:39:19,655 --> 00:39:20,793 All right. 695 00:39:20,827 --> 00:39:22,793 Thanks. So excited. 696 00:39:22,827 --> 00:39:24,482 Take your time, feel free to count it. 697 00:39:24,517 --> 00:39:25,689 [Roo] Pause. 698 00:39:25,724 --> 00:39:28,586 This photo is from just about a decade ago, 699 00:39:28,620 --> 00:39:30,068 right, almost a decade ago, 700 00:39:30,103 --> 00:39:32,827 and I think that it's definitely him. 701 00:39:32,862 --> 00:39:33,931 [Avalon] Totally agree. 702 00:39:42,620 --> 00:39:44,000 [Roo] All right, hit pause. 703 00:39:44,034 --> 00:39:45,344 Picture that voice... like, 704 00:39:45,379 --> 00:39:46,896 think about that voice and then also think 705 00:39:46,931 --> 00:39:49,586 about him saying the words "sweet dreams." 706 00:39:49,620 --> 00:39:50,827 [Jared speaking] 707 00:40:00,655 --> 00:40:01,724 [Matt] That's the same voice. 708 00:40:01,758 --> 00:40:02,793 It's definitely him. 709 00:40:02,827 --> 00:40:03,862 -[Shelby] Yeah. -[Avalon] Yeah. 710 00:40:06,206 --> 00:40:09,620 [Roo] Based on his body type, facial features and voice, 711 00:40:09,655 --> 00:40:13,793 we now know which brother has been communicating with our decoy Flori. 712 00:40:13,827 --> 00:40:15,586 From appearances, I was pretty sure 713 00:40:15,620 --> 00:40:17,758 it was him as soon as he answered the door, 714 00:40:17,793 --> 00:40:19,344 based off of the images that we've seen. 715 00:40:19,379 --> 00:40:20,931 He has a pretty distinct voice. 716 00:40:20,965 --> 00:40:25,482 And watching the footage with the team just validates that this is our guy. 717 00:40:25,517 --> 00:40:28,448 I think, at this point, we've positively ID'd him. 718 00:40:28,482 --> 00:40:31,000 We are going to keep speaking with him 719 00:40:31,034 --> 00:40:33,103 because we do not want him to be suspicious 720 00:40:33,137 --> 00:40:34,517 because of the amount of CSAM 721 00:40:34,551 --> 00:40:36,103 we think he has in his devices. 722 00:40:36,137 --> 00:40:38,931 So, let's put all this together, 723 00:40:38,965 --> 00:40:42,586 package it up, and get it sent over to [bleep] police. 724 00:41:00,724 --> 00:41:02,206 [Jared speaking] 725 00:41:02,241 --> 00:41:04,068 [Roo] I'm just lying in bed. 726 00:41:06,655 --> 00:41:08,000 Oh, okay, yeah. 727 00:41:08,034 --> 00:41:11,137 But, like, I'm definitely gonna be clothed. 728 00:41:18,103 --> 00:41:19,896 Say that again. 729 00:41:24,172 --> 00:41:27,000 I actually... Sorry, I don't wanna cut you off, 730 00:41:27,034 --> 00:41:28,413 but I have to go to bed. 731 00:41:28,448 --> 00:41:31,517 I am not comfortable doing that. 732 00:41:38,034 --> 00:41:43,689 [Roo] I am disappointed that Jared/Garrett has not been arrested. 733 00:41:43,724 --> 00:41:45,482 Does that mean he will never be? 734 00:41:46,793 --> 00:41:50,172 No, we just aren't always privy to what happens next. 735 00:41:51,724 --> 00:41:54,034 This is a battle that has been lost 736 00:41:54,068 --> 00:41:56,551 in a very big war that needs to be won. 737 00:41:59,689 --> 00:42:02,379 People my age, we didn't have smartphones, 738 00:42:02,413 --> 00:42:05,965 we didn't have unfettered access to people on the Internet. 739 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,793 And so online sex abuse is relatively new 740 00:42:08,827 --> 00:42:12,241 and I think a lot of people don't understand it fully. 741 00:42:13,620 --> 00:42:17,275 The goal is to empower our communities as a whole 742 00:42:17,310 --> 00:42:20,896 to combat online sex abuse and exploitation. 743 00:42:20,931 --> 00:42:22,793 So, when we think about the one case 744 00:42:22,827 --> 00:42:25,793 or the one ACM, it's still upsetting. 745 00:42:27,137 --> 00:42:29,275 But there's more work to be done. 746 00:42:29,310 --> 00:42:31,689 Okay, so we have a new ACM that came up. 747 00:42:31,724 --> 00:42:33,862 Andy is 32. 748 00:42:33,896 --> 00:42:35,862 He is from New Haven. 749 00:42:35,896 --> 00:42:38,275 He's really open with what he wants 750 00:42:38,310 --> 00:42:40,965 and is very much okay with her age. 54256

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