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[Roo] Hey, guys.
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[Shelby] Yeah.
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So,
I got this series of messages,
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"Are you looking to make
some good money?
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I pay my babies $300
for three sessions
of video calls.
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When can you do a session?"
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"What do I have to do?"
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"Just play with yourself,
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your [bleep], your [bleep],
tease me and stuff."
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"So, just like today
or any time we do
a session?" And he said,
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"Whenever you
wanna make money."
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I think there's some
sort of business model here.
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[Shelby] Yeah.
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I'm touching on something
that's CSAM related.
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CSAM is child sex
abuse material.
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There's a market for this.
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And when there's a market
for something,
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there are people who are
trying to generate a profit.
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"You don't have
any nudes on you?"
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"No."
"Okay, that's no problem.
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Can you click a few for me
right now?"
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She said, "I'm at school."
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"Well, do you wanna use
the school bathroom
just for a quick one?"
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There are people
that aren't just looking
to buy or collect.
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There are people
that are looking to create.
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People who distribute CSAM,
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either professionally
or for money,
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they're deep
in the child pornography
community.
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There's a lot of exchanging
on the dark web.
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So, we find that these people
are harder to nail down.
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What do we do?
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What can we do?
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[Roo] Every day,
adults exploit
and abuse minors online.
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[man speaking]
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My name is Roo,
and my nonprofit organization
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helps law enforcement stop...
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Would this be enough
to get a warrant?
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All you need
is probable cause.
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We have all the evidence
we need.
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I'm a 38-year-old mother
of three.
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But with the help of my team,
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I transform
into a teenage girl.
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[siren wailing]
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We become the target to help
protect the underage.
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[Matt] Roo, I think
you should duck down.
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He's staring straight at you.
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[Roo] Flori has been talking
to someone,
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who we're calling Garrett,
who claims to be 17.
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Sends pictures
that are super grainy
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that are supposedly him.
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These are not lives.
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So, what if he's actually 17
but he is distributing CSAM?
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[Kelly] If he is, does that...
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What's the legal
ramifications there and--
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-...do we still--
-There are different...
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So each state
has different laws
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in regards
to child sex abuse material
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and distributing
child pornography.
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Right.
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Um, but if someone
is a teenager,
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I risk being an adult
that receives
someone else's CSAM.
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I don't want a 17-year-old
thinking that he's sending
nudes to a 15-year-old.
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Look, my instincts tell me
that he's not 17.
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But there is a world
in which he's still 17.
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The amount of cash
that he purports to have,
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he could be 17
and be a drug dealer.
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Those are things
that would push me
in that direction.
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He could be 17,
and someone's using him
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because of the access
of the fact
that he's a teenager.
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I really don't feel like
he's 17.
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First of all,
Kik was another
social media app.
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He's 17, and he's been on Kik
for 1,500 days.
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Uh, that'd be four years.
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So, he's been on Kik
since he was 13?
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He's saying that he goes
to this magnet school.
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He just sent me the calendar,
the school calendar,
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like he had it.
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If, ultimately,
he's trying to get a bunch
of material to sell,
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I could see him
having all of this, like,
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in his bag,
so he could send it to people
and be like, "No,
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I really go here."
Doing what we do,
I guess, to build trust.
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And then he said,
"I'll send you $200
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if you send me some nudes."
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What 17-year-old
would pay $200
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for nudes when there's...
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-when he can go on
Pornhub or...
-...very extreme.
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-Yeah.
-Yeah.
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I said, "Are you really 17?
It's okay if you're not."
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He goes,
"Tell me where you live.
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I will come to your house
and I will show you my ID."
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That sounds like,
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if I wanna go
to the worst-case scenario,
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it won't matter how old I am
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because once I come
to your house, you're SOL.
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What's different about him
is if he is really 17,
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which I don't believe he is,
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he has offered Flori
$200 for nudes.
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It's atypical behavior
for a 17-year-old.
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Which makes me wonder
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if he's actually
part of a CSAM ring
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or something more nefarious.
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And the only way I find out is
if I keep talking with him.
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So, what I've done
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is I've made
Flori's Instagram private.
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So, the only way
he could look at it now
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is if he requests to follow
and then we have his IG.
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So that is strategic
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because I want to know more
about him,
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and he's being so elusive.
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With a username,
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we may be able to get
information to determine
Garrett's real age.
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[phone beeps]
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Oh, I have a follow
request from him.
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But the last two numbers
of his username are 98.
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If that's the year
he graduated high school,
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that would make him around 41.
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If it's his birth year,
that can make him 22 or 23.
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Hey, can I have you guys
do a little research
on this username?
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[Matt] Yeah.
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[Roo] Just so you guys know,
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he used
the laughing cry emoji.
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We spend a lot of time
studying language
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and syntax
and tone and jargon.
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What was, you know,
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really common to say
two years ago
is not common today.
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Dead giveaways
that someone might be older
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is poor emoji use
in that, like,
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they're using the
laughing-crying emoji.
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That's mostly
like something for like
an older person to use.
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-Teens don't really do that.
-Gotcha.
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Two spaces after a period
is like absolutely a giveaway.
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A teenager doesn't have time
to be worried
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about whether or not
something is capitalized.
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They're more concerned
with getting their message
out immediately.
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[Roo] I wanna talk to him
because I want
more information.
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And the more I talk to him,
the more information,
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I believe, I will get.
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Garrett agrees
to Flori's request for a call
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but with audio only.
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We have guesses on
why he doesn't want
to be seen.
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Our biggest suspicion
is that it would expose
his real age.
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I think he's calling.
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Is this his number?
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Yeah. Okay. You guys ready?
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-Yes.
-Yep.
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[Garrett on phone]
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Hey, what you doing?
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Is your brother in bed?
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What's your brother's name?
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Oh, okay.
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What you doing now?
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Are you like into tech stuff?
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So you're a good student.
You're a real smarty pants.
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No, you don't.
You're not a cheater.
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[Roo] Is Garrett 17?
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Or is it all a lie designed
to get CSAM from minors?
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What do your parents do?
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[Roo] Garrett claims
to be 17-years-old.
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And he claims to be a junior
in high school.
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But the things
that he's saying
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and the matter of his speaking
and a few other clues,
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my gut tells me he is not 17.
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[Roo] So, what do you do
other than school?
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[Garrett on phone]
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[Roo] Flori, our teenage decoy
has been communicating
with an ACM named Garrett.
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He claims to only
be 17-years-old,
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but a few clues lead us
to think that he's lying.
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I think I'm gonna go to bed.
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Every day, the team deals
with a barrage of ACMs.
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Predators
who divide our attention.
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But when a threat like
Garrett appears,
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we move them
to the top of the list.
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So, we have these heavy
hitters coming in, right,
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and they are requiring
a lot of our time.
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I want to stage a funeral.
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Okay, so let's figure out
which wig is best for our...
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Operation Funeral.
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We have a lot of ACMs
that are constantly
in need of attention
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and time
and phone calls and texts.
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So we'll put a funeral
there in order to step away
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from the phone
with a really good excuse.
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Yeah, it's a little extra,
but so are we.
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In this scenario, we're having
a grandparent die,
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which is a really likely
and normal scenario
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for a teenage girl
to go through.
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[Matt] Let's go be 85.
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How about a smile
without teeth?
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Would old people
really do this?
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I think it's like a...
it's like a lifestyle photo.
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You know, she's Grandma.
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We love Grandma.
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[Roo] In this particular case,
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we're employing
the funeral tactic
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because we need to turn
our attention to Garrett.
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Garrett is such a big player
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because he's so deliberately
after CSAM.
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It's gonna be exciting
to make Roo look
double her age, for once,
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instead of half her age.
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We'll add wrinkles
and some jowls and sagging
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and clean up
a couple of things,
and then we're good.
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[Avalon] I don't know,
I still think
it's a little odd.
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What do you think?
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I don't think it's odder than
a real funeral.
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Who would be psychotic enough
to do this if it's not
a real funeral?
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That's so crazy.
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I legit feel like
we're at a funeral right now.
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-[Avalon] A little bit
deeply upsetting, but...
-Yeah.
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I'm just double checking
the background here.
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Everything looks really good.
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Okay, posting now.
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I have gone
back and forth with
who we're calling Garrett,
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um, the 17-year-old
that I do not believe
is a 17-year-old.
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I have an idea,
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but I can't tell
if it's dumb or not.
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When you forget
your password for Instagram,
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you click on Forget Password,
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-you type in the username...
-[Kelly] Yeah.
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...you hit "next,"
and it'll give you...
It'll say, "Oh,
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we sent a code to you."
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-And it's...
-[Matt] The last four digits.
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-The last... but it'll show
the last two digits.
-Two.
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So, I'll see if it matches up
with the number
that he gave me.
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And if it doesn't,
then we know
that it's a burner.
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So, you're gonna pretend
that you're him?
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I'm just really quickly
just gonna go.
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[Matt] But he is gonna get
a notice saying...
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-[Avalon] Yeah.
-He's gonna get
the actual text, though.
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-Yeah, that's okay.
-[Matt] Okay.
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06, so not the same.
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-So I think that's a burner.
-Yeah.
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He wants to get on a call,
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and it looks like
a video call.
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I have to keep him
on the hook till 12:00.
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And he's saying,
"Send me a nude right now,
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right now. Send nudes."
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So I have to figure out
how to get around that,
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but keep him on the hook
so I can still
talk to him at 12:00.
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It's like a game of chicken.
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They demand nudes,
they demand nudes.
240
00:13:31,103 --> 00:13:32,896
And I won't give them nudes.
241
00:13:32,931 --> 00:13:35,000
But I want info
and I want info,
242
00:13:35,034 --> 00:13:36,172
and they don't give me info.
243
00:13:36,206 --> 00:13:38,310
And at some point,
we come to an impasse.
244
00:13:41,517 --> 00:13:45,344
And it is so difficult
to find out
245
00:13:45,379 --> 00:13:47,620
who these people are
because of that.
246
00:14:11,655 --> 00:14:12,517
[Garrett speaking]
247
00:14:15,655 --> 00:14:16,724
No.
248
00:14:20,724 --> 00:14:21,896
Not at all.
249
00:14:27,413 --> 00:14:29,172
How about you try calling me?
250
00:14:32,724 --> 00:14:34,000
Just click the video button.
251
00:14:37,206 --> 00:14:39,137
All right.
252
00:14:39,172 --> 00:14:40,896
[ringtone chimes]
253
00:14:40,931 --> 00:14:43,862
A 17-year-old who's never
used Instagram video before.
254
00:14:49,310 --> 00:14:50,655
I can't.
255
00:14:50,689 --> 00:14:52,724
Like all...
it looks like it's like this.
256
00:14:54,206 --> 00:14:55,586
Like your hand, is your hand,
257
00:14:55,620 --> 00:14:56,931
is your thumb in front of it?
258
00:15:03,241 --> 00:15:05,965
I can't see you.
I don't think it's working.
259
00:15:08,172 --> 00:15:09,931
All right, bye.
260
00:15:11,758 --> 00:15:14,241
He said his camera
is not working at all.
261
00:15:16,103 --> 00:15:19,965
But-- Oh. He's sending me
something here.
262
00:15:39,965 --> 00:15:42,758
He sent a screen recording
of his phone,
263
00:15:42,793 --> 00:15:44,724
which is some intel
264
00:15:44,758 --> 00:15:49,448
because I can get
something off this.
265
00:15:51,620 --> 00:15:52,862
This right here,
266
00:15:52,896 --> 00:15:54,655
where it has
another username up,
267
00:15:54,689 --> 00:15:56,965
that means he's signed
into multiple accounts.
268
00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,275
Bottom left-hand corner.
269
00:15:58,310 --> 00:15:59,655
[Shelby]
Yeah. That's a bunch of cash.
270
00:15:59,689 --> 00:16:01,068
[Matt] Uh-huh.
That is a bunch of cash.
271
00:16:01,103 --> 00:16:03,827
-Is he sending
that as incentive...
-[Avalon] Totally.
272
00:16:03,862 --> 00:16:05,034
...to other teenage girls?
273
00:16:05,068 --> 00:16:07,551
I feel like
if he's in the business
of doing this,
274
00:16:07,586 --> 00:16:09,689
-then there's tons of
that floating around.
-That's dangerous,
275
00:16:09,724 --> 00:16:11,103
that's really dangerous
'cause that means
276
00:16:11,137 --> 00:16:12,517
he's probably got
a big library of CSAM.
277
00:16:12,551 --> 00:16:13,965
[Roo] As we go frame by frame,
278
00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,172
we're able to discern
just a few more things
about him
279
00:16:17,206 --> 00:16:19,034
that he unknowingly
sent to us.
280
00:16:19,068 --> 00:16:21,137
Just a few things
that don't give us much,
281
00:16:21,172 --> 00:16:22,655
but they give us enough to go,
282
00:16:22,689 --> 00:16:26,206
"Here are all the signs
of subterfuge."
283
00:16:26,241 --> 00:16:29,310
Also, one of the apps
that he has on his phone
is LinkedIn.
284
00:16:29,344 --> 00:16:31,241
No 17-year-olds have LinkedIn.
285
00:16:31,275 --> 00:16:35,965
The presence of LinkedIn
really does make me think
that he's not 17.
286
00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,620
Yeah,
that's what it is for me, too.
287
00:16:37,655 --> 00:16:38,689
It's the LinkedIn.
288
00:16:38,724 --> 00:16:41,655
Okay, so, um, I think...
289
00:16:43,965 --> 00:16:45,137
he's not 17.
290
00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,689
[dramatic music playing]
291
00:16:49,689 --> 00:16:51,034
[Roo] With the team
in agreement,
292
00:16:51,068 --> 00:16:54,275
we turn our focus
to figuring out
Garrett's identity.
293
00:17:09,413 --> 00:17:12,103
Garrett is interested
in meeting up tonight.
294
00:17:12,137 --> 00:17:13,448
Why?
295
00:17:13,482 --> 00:17:16,206
[Shelby] Yeah, if he's not
gonna show you his face
296
00:17:16,241 --> 00:17:17,931
through a screen, right,
297
00:17:17,965 --> 00:17:19,655
and be like, "But I'll
meet you in person"--
298
00:17:19,689 --> 00:17:22,689
The most extreme
is kidnapping.
299
00:17:28,482 --> 00:17:30,896
Train station,
what if he picks her up
from the train station?
300
00:17:30,931 --> 00:17:32,172
That might be a decent place
301
00:17:32,206 --> 00:17:34,103
because then
he has to sit there
and wait there.
302
00:17:34,137 --> 00:17:36,172
So, there are two
train stations in Fairfield.
303
00:17:36,206 --> 00:17:37,827
There's Fairfield
and there's Fairfield Metro.
304
00:17:37,862 --> 00:17:39,448
Let's get them up.
305
00:17:39,482 --> 00:17:43,448
Meeting at the Fairfield
train station could give us
an opportunity
306
00:17:43,482 --> 00:17:47,034
to ID Garrett in the safety
of a public space.
307
00:17:47,068 --> 00:17:51,103
If Flori can be physically
seen disembarking
the commuter rail,
308
00:17:51,137 --> 00:17:54,551
we're hoping
Garrett will reveal himself
and we can tag his vehicle.
309
00:18:03,482 --> 00:18:04,965
Hold on, hold on,
hold on, hold on, hold on.
310
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,620
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
311
00:18:12,206 --> 00:18:14,103
This is about you being
a virgin,
312
00:18:14,137 --> 00:18:15,310
not about you being underage.
313
00:18:15,344 --> 00:18:17,034
I mean,
do we think that it's...
314
00:18:17,068 --> 00:18:20,448
There is a world in which
he's asking these questions
on behalf of someone else.
315
00:18:21,896 --> 00:18:23,758
It makes it seem like
he's buying for someone.
316
00:18:23,793 --> 00:18:25,275
He's getting
the stats on her right, like,
317
00:18:25,310 --> 00:18:28,482
he's creating a profile
to send to someone.
318
00:18:28,517 --> 00:18:30,137
He wants the pictures,
"How tall are you?
319
00:18:30,172 --> 00:18:31,758
How much do you weigh?
Is your hymen intact?"
320
00:18:31,793 --> 00:18:33,000
And "Here's a picture
of her vagina.
321
00:18:33,034 --> 00:18:34,103
Do you want her?"
322
00:18:34,137 --> 00:18:37,000
It feels like he's selling
her off like cattle.
323
00:18:50,379 --> 00:18:53,551
[Roo] I am meeting Garrett
at the Fairfield Metro
train station,
324
00:18:53,586 --> 00:18:57,344
he is going to be
picking me up
at nine o'clock.
325
00:18:57,379 --> 00:18:58,862
I think what's making
everyone nervous
326
00:18:58,896 --> 00:19:00,620
is that there are
too many unknowns.
327
00:19:00,655 --> 00:19:03,103
Shelby and Damien
are at the train station
right now,
328
00:19:03,137 --> 00:19:06,586
trying to suss out
what the parking situation is.
329
00:19:13,965 --> 00:19:15,620
[Roo] The plan
is for Flori to board
330
00:19:15,655 --> 00:19:18,068
the eastbound train
to Fairfield, Connecticut.
331
00:19:18,103 --> 00:19:20,586
Our hope is that Garrett
reveals himself.
332
00:19:20,620 --> 00:19:22,965
We get pictures,
a license plate,
333
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,655
something
that can reveal his identity.
334
00:19:25,689 --> 00:19:28,793
Is there even a second exit
to exit the station?
335
00:19:28,827 --> 00:19:31,275
Yeah. Maybe
the one exit right there.
336
00:19:31,310 --> 00:19:33,413
That's it.
337
00:19:33,448 --> 00:19:36,448
[Roo] The concern
is that the station is huge.
338
00:19:36,482 --> 00:19:40,310
And we don't know who
or what Garrett really is.
339
00:19:40,344 --> 00:19:42,172
Will there be more than
one person?
340
00:19:42,206 --> 00:19:43,724
Will they be armed?
341
00:19:43,758 --> 00:19:44,931
It's a risk.
342
00:19:44,965 --> 00:19:47,620
But with so much at stake,
there's no other choice.
343
00:19:47,655 --> 00:19:48,931
[Shelby speaking]
344
00:19:50,275 --> 00:19:52,620
-Okay, wig. Kelly,
you got it?
-Yep.
345
00:19:52,655 --> 00:19:54,586
-You wanna meet me upstairs?
-Yep.
346
00:19:54,620 --> 00:19:56,344
We do these stakeouts
and these stings,
347
00:19:56,379 --> 00:20:01,068
and I'm aware
of how these things
can go awry.
348
00:20:01,103 --> 00:20:04,137
We're going in pretty blind.
349
00:20:04,172 --> 00:20:07,758
We don't know,
is this someone with priors?
350
00:20:07,793 --> 00:20:10,758
Is this someone
who owns a gun?
351
00:20:10,793 --> 00:20:13,931
So meetups
with ACMs are always
a bit nerve-racking
352
00:20:13,965 --> 00:20:16,551
because there's something
that could go wrong.
353
00:20:16,586 --> 00:20:17,827
It's a...
354
00:20:17,862 --> 00:20:19,448
it's a high risk, high reward.
355
00:20:19,482 --> 00:20:20,965
Oh, hold on, hold on.
356
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,862
I wanted to talk
to my kids before I do this.
357
00:20:25,344 --> 00:20:26,724
Hi.
358
00:20:26,758 --> 00:20:27,620
[girl speaking]
359
00:20:27,655 --> 00:20:29,241
Hey, look, who's here with me.
360
00:20:29,275 --> 00:20:30,482
It's Kelly.
361
00:20:31,655 --> 00:20:32,724
Hi.
362
00:20:32,758 --> 00:20:35,000
Hey, I am...
just wanted to say
goodnight to you
363
00:20:35,034 --> 00:20:37,344
because I have to go do
some work-y things,
364
00:20:37,379 --> 00:20:38,931
and I just wanted to say
good night now.
365
00:20:38,965 --> 00:20:40,000
Okay?
366
00:20:46,172 --> 00:20:48,172
Yes, in fact, I have
367
00:20:48,206 --> 00:20:50,448
a present here right now
368
00:20:50,482 --> 00:20:53,137
for someone's ninth birthday.
369
00:20:54,655 --> 00:20:56,517
Mmm. I wonder.
370
00:20:56,551 --> 00:20:59,724
[Roo] There have been times
where I've been away
from them.
371
00:20:59,758 --> 00:21:01,827
People would say things like,
372
00:21:01,862 --> 00:21:04,034
"How could you
leave your kids?
How could you...
373
00:21:04,068 --> 00:21:05,206
How could you leave
your children?
374
00:21:05,241 --> 00:21:06,724
You're like going off
and doing this
375
00:21:06,758 --> 00:21:08,034
and you're leaving
your kids at home."
376
00:21:09,965 --> 00:21:14,517
The only way
that I would leave
my kids is for the sake of...
377
00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:17,896
forgive me,
the sake of all kids.
378
00:21:19,793 --> 00:21:22,206
I also sometimes wish
I was the mom
379
00:21:22,241 --> 00:21:25,517
that was home after school
and making cookies.
380
00:21:25,551 --> 00:21:27,206
And maybe I can be both
at some point,
381
00:21:27,241 --> 00:21:29,517
but right now this is,
this is important.
382
00:21:30,586 --> 00:21:31,689
[girl speaking]
383
00:21:31,724 --> 00:21:34,344
Thank you,
Avalon did it for me.
384
00:21:36,172 --> 00:21:37,344
Thank you.
385
00:21:37,379 --> 00:21:40,724
Well, I gotta go,
but I wanted to say goodnight,
okay?
386
00:21:42,413 --> 00:21:44,000
Good night, baby.
I love you.
387
00:21:51,344 --> 00:21:52,344
Okay.
388
00:21:59,517 --> 00:22:00,655
That looks great.
389
00:22:00,689 --> 00:22:02,931
-With a mask...
-Definitely.
390
00:22:02,965 --> 00:22:04,137
-Yes.
-Far away. Backpack.
391
00:22:04,172 --> 00:22:05,931
-[Kelly] I think it's perfect.
-Yeah. You really sell It.
392
00:22:05,965 --> 00:22:07,068
Okay.
393
00:22:07,103 --> 00:22:08,241
[Matt] Be careful.
394
00:22:10,482 --> 00:22:11,793
-See you soon.
-Yeah.
395
00:22:24,793 --> 00:22:27,862
Gosh, every time he says
something that
396
00:22:27,896 --> 00:22:29,620
is something a 17-year-old
would say,
397
00:22:29,655 --> 00:22:31,965
there's a part of me
that goes, "What if he is 17?"
398
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,275
But he is not.
399
00:22:35,172 --> 00:22:38,586
All we have are photos
of someone
400
00:22:38,620 --> 00:22:42,379
that we don't believe is him,
and maybe it's a Honda Civic,
401
00:22:42,413 --> 00:22:43,896
we don't have a color.
402
00:22:43,931 --> 00:22:47,758
Maybe it's an SUV.
We're not quite sure.
403
00:22:47,793 --> 00:22:49,103
He claims
he doesn't have a license,
404
00:22:49,137 --> 00:22:51,103
he only has a permit.
405
00:22:51,137 --> 00:22:52,275
All of these things...
406
00:22:54,965 --> 00:22:56,758
There's just so many unknowns,
and then,
407
00:22:56,793 --> 00:23:03,689
of course, the level of crimes
that he's committed
408
00:23:03,724 --> 00:23:05,862
or is wanting to commit.
409
00:23:05,896 --> 00:23:07,379
Oh, no, hold on a second.
410
00:23:07,413 --> 00:23:08,482
Is he backing out?
411
00:23:10,241 --> 00:23:11,827
He just said, "I forgot."
412
00:23:14,068 --> 00:23:15,275
"You forgot what?"
413
00:23:26,448 --> 00:23:27,758
-Suda.
-Yep.
414
00:23:27,793 --> 00:23:29,034
He just canceled.
415
00:23:29,068 --> 00:23:30,517
He did?
416
00:23:30,551 --> 00:23:32,206
Did he give a reason?
417
00:23:32,241 --> 00:23:33,827
He has to watch his
little brother.
418
00:23:42,793 --> 00:23:44,620
After backing out of the meet,
419
00:23:44,655 --> 00:23:47,482
our worst possible outcome
is realized,
420
00:23:47,517 --> 00:23:49,344
Garrett disappears.
421
00:24:00,655 --> 00:24:05,275
The next day, another ACM
reaches out looking for CSAM.
422
00:24:05,310 --> 00:24:07,551
So, we start from square one.
423
00:24:35,551 --> 00:24:38,206
After the disappointment
of Garrett going dark,
424
00:24:38,241 --> 00:24:43,931
we're determined
not to let another ACM
dealing in CSAM get away.
425
00:24:43,965 --> 00:24:45,379
I want to introduce
you to someone
426
00:24:45,413 --> 00:24:47,413
who has reached out to Flori.
427
00:24:55,275 --> 00:24:58,206
He is not even remotely
concerned with her age.
428
00:24:58,241 --> 00:24:59,586
No.
429
00:24:59,620 --> 00:25:01,655
She's like, "I've never done
anything like this before,
like,
430
00:25:01,689 --> 00:25:03,068
should we just do
pizza first?"
431
00:25:03,103 --> 00:25:04,517
And the reason
why I'm saying this is
432
00:25:04,551 --> 00:25:06,586
-because I want to know
who he is.
-[Shelby] Mmm-hmm. Yeah.
433
00:25:06,620 --> 00:25:08,689
I don't have a face,
I don't have any photos.
434
00:25:08,724 --> 00:25:12,448
Identifying ACMs who are deep
into CSAM is very difficult
435
00:25:12,482 --> 00:25:14,620
because they know
what they're doing is criminal
436
00:25:14,655 --> 00:25:16,000
and they cover their tracks
437
00:25:16,034 --> 00:25:18,724
and they cover
their identities very well.
438
00:25:18,758 --> 00:25:20,413
So, this is what I got today.
439
00:25:32,758 --> 00:25:34,241
He's soliciting a minor.
440
00:25:34,275 --> 00:25:36,586
He's asking to pay for nudes.
441
00:25:36,620 --> 00:25:38,448
He's just freely
abusing online.
442
00:25:39,931 --> 00:25:41,793
He's been on Kik
for over nine years.
443
00:25:41,827 --> 00:25:43,344
[Shelby] Jeez.
444
00:25:43,379 --> 00:25:45,758
How much CSAM does this man
have on his devices?
445
00:25:45,793 --> 00:25:47,103
We keep losing ACMs
446
00:25:47,137 --> 00:25:48,827
who are clearly out
to collect CSAM.
447
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,172
I mean,
we come to that impasse
448
00:25:51,206 --> 00:25:53,344
where we're not willing
to give nudity
449
00:25:53,379 --> 00:25:56,586
and they're certainly
not willing to give
their information.
450
00:26:06,724 --> 00:26:08,068
I'm so, I'm...
451
00:26:10,241 --> 00:26:14,034
Just like Garrett,
it is more likely than not
that I will lose Jared.
452
00:26:14,068 --> 00:26:17,551
It is more likely than not
that he will be in the wind
453
00:26:17,586 --> 00:26:19,689
and he will continue to commit
his crimes
454
00:26:19,724 --> 00:26:21,655
because we have nothing
on him.
455
00:26:21,689 --> 00:26:24,413
I would give a lot right now
to make sure
456
00:26:24,448 --> 00:26:28,310
that he doesn't get
to continue abusing people
457
00:26:28,344 --> 00:26:30,206
and to ensure
that he doesn't talk
to a minor
458
00:26:30,241 --> 00:26:31,241
this way ever again.
459
00:26:32,620 --> 00:26:34,482
Not in baggy clothes
like your real body.
460
00:26:34,517 --> 00:26:37,137
I wanna see
what photos I've sent him.
461
00:26:37,172 --> 00:26:38,517
Okay, I had blond hair.
462
00:26:38,551 --> 00:26:39,793
Do we have the Flori wig?
463
00:26:39,827 --> 00:26:41,137
-[Matt] We have the Flori wig.
-Yeah.
464
00:26:41,172 --> 00:26:42,482
I'll just do body for now.
465
00:26:43,724 --> 00:26:46,310
What they want is something
that we won't give.
466
00:26:46,344 --> 00:26:48,275
And they want nudity.
467
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:51,517
What I want,
they won't give to me,
and I want their identity.
468
00:26:51,551 --> 00:26:53,413
Eventually, those ACMs,
469
00:26:53,448 --> 00:26:55,827
when they realize that Flori
or Natalie or one of our
470
00:26:55,862 --> 00:26:57,827
other personas
is not an easy target,
471
00:26:57,862 --> 00:26:59,517
they cut their losses
and move on.
472
00:27:00,793 --> 00:27:02,137
I don't know what else to do.
473
00:27:02,172 --> 00:27:05,034
I feel, um...
474
00:27:07,758 --> 00:27:10,413
I feel a little hopeless
when it comes to this.
475
00:27:19,241 --> 00:27:21,758
I don't know
how to solve this one.
476
00:27:21,793 --> 00:27:25,206
I don't know how to solve it.
And when it comes to
CSAM and...
477
00:27:25,241 --> 00:27:27,103
well, people like Jared
and people like Garrett
478
00:27:27,137 --> 00:27:32,724
and these other people
that only exist to create
child pornography,
479
00:27:32,758 --> 00:27:33,896
I don't...
480
00:27:36,344 --> 00:27:37,931
I don't know
how to solve those.
481
00:27:51,344 --> 00:27:52,896
[Roo] I just want
to know who he is
482
00:27:52,931 --> 00:27:56,068
because I know
he is just loaded up on CSAM
483
00:27:56,103 --> 00:27:57,965
and maybe
he's profiting off it.
484
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,862
I just can't get him
to give me anything.
485
00:28:01,896 --> 00:28:05,344
Jared says,
"Send me a nude." And I say,
486
00:28:05,379 --> 00:28:06,448
"You've never...
487
00:28:06,482 --> 00:28:07,965
I don't even know
what you look like.
488
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,931
I haven't even heard
your voice.
489
00:28:09,965 --> 00:28:13,103
Get on a call with me or,
you know, show me your face.
490
00:28:13,137 --> 00:28:14,620
You know, give me something,
491
00:28:14,655 --> 00:28:16,965
and I'll be more comfortable
sending photos."
492
00:28:29,172 --> 00:28:31,413
Ah! "Just finishing this deal,
and I'll call you."
493
00:28:35,827 --> 00:28:37,586
What is this?
494
00:28:37,620 --> 00:28:41,034
He sent a screengrab,
what app is this?
495
00:28:41,068 --> 00:28:42,379
Maybe it's one of those
like OfferUp.
496
00:28:42,413 --> 00:28:43,551
OfferUp?
497
00:28:43,586 --> 00:28:46,517
-Yeah, I think it is OfferUp.
It is.
-Okay.
498
00:28:46,551 --> 00:28:48,000
What is he selling?
499
00:28:48,034 --> 00:28:50,310
So right here,
it's supposed to be a picture
of what is being sold.
500
00:28:50,344 --> 00:28:52,448
Wait, is that a PS5?
501
00:28:52,482 --> 00:28:54,793
Could we find
his OfferUp profile?
502
00:28:54,827 --> 00:28:56,413
-Oh, my God.
-I was thinking about that.
503
00:28:56,448 --> 00:28:58,310
Yeah, if we could find
his OfferUp profile,
504
00:28:58,344 --> 00:28:59,620
do we get even just even just
505
00:28:59,655 --> 00:29:01,517
-a little bit more
information.
-I mean, can we all...
506
00:29:01,551 --> 00:29:03,827
can we search for PS5s
and then match it
to that photo.
507
00:29:10,689 --> 00:29:12,344
I found [bleep].
I found [bleep].
508
00:29:12,379 --> 00:29:13,482
Hold on. Stand by.
509
00:29:14,241 --> 00:29:15,862
What is this profile picture?
510
00:29:21,689 --> 00:29:22,827
No!
511
00:29:24,482 --> 00:29:27,034
You guys. No, no!
512
00:29:27,068 --> 00:29:28,620
[Kelly] What?
513
00:29:28,655 --> 00:29:31,379
Jared and Garrett
are the same person.
514
00:29:31,413 --> 00:29:34,103
-[Shelby] No [bleep] way.
-They're the same person.
515
00:29:35,896 --> 00:29:37,517
[Damien] Oh, wow.
Holy [bleep]! Yeah.
516
00:29:39,827 --> 00:29:42,482
[Roo] He sent a screen
recording of his phone.
517
00:29:42,517 --> 00:29:44,448
Which is some intel.
518
00:29:45,827 --> 00:29:47,206
[Damien] Whoa.
519
00:29:47,241 --> 00:29:48,655
-That's unbelievable.
-Am I wrong?
520
00:29:48,689 --> 00:29:51,482
-No, you're right! You're
right! It has to be.
-That's unbelievable.
521
00:29:51,517 --> 00:29:56,827
The profile picture
is of the exact
same super distinct lion.
522
00:29:56,862 --> 00:29:59,896
At that point,
all of it comes together.
523
00:29:59,931 --> 00:30:03,000
The interest in computers
and video games,
524
00:30:03,034 --> 00:30:06,068
the location in Connecticut
and even the way
525
00:30:06,103 --> 00:30:10,689
that he's asking that Flori
send explicit photos,
all of that tracks.
526
00:30:10,724 --> 00:30:12,482
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
527
00:30:12,517 --> 00:30:15,827
This is the same CSAM
[bleep]. Garrett is Jared.
528
00:30:15,862 --> 00:30:17,103
Garrett never went away.
529
00:30:17,137 --> 00:30:18,965
-He just became Jared.
-Yeah, dude, yeah.
530
00:30:21,586 --> 00:30:27,827
There is no way that Garrett
was going to meet Flori
at a train station.
531
00:30:27,862 --> 00:30:29,275
They stopped talking,
532
00:30:29,310 --> 00:30:31,517
and so he's communicating
with her
533
00:30:31,551 --> 00:30:33,206
under a different account,
534
00:30:33,241 --> 00:30:35,896
again for the same purpose,
CSAM.
535
00:30:37,068 --> 00:30:39,965
So, we need to figure out
who he is.
536
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,517
There's this guy,
537
00:30:41,551 --> 00:30:45,862
he's selling the same items
that Jared is selling
on Facebook Marketplace.
538
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,965
There's not a lot of pictures
of this person.
539
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,827
Can you look
at some of his posts?
540
00:30:51,862 --> 00:30:53,000
[Matt] Yeah.
541
00:30:54,137 --> 00:30:56,103
-No.
-Oh, wait.
542
00:30:56,137 --> 00:30:57,793
[Kelly] Oh, it's a GoFundMe.
543
00:30:57,827 --> 00:30:59,517
-He did mention...
-[Matt] Funeral expenses.
544
00:30:59,551 --> 00:31:04,034
Matt finds a GoFundMe link
via the potential match's
Facebook page.
545
00:31:04,068 --> 00:31:07,620
It links to a fundraiser
for the ACM's father.
546
00:31:07,655 --> 00:31:09,517
Wait,
look at the fundraising team.
547
00:31:09,551 --> 00:31:11,862
Three people,
all the same surname.
548
00:31:11,896 --> 00:31:12,931
Okay.
549
00:31:12,965 --> 00:31:14,275
Our beloved father.
550
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:15,620
This is, this is their dad.
551
00:31:15,655 --> 00:31:16,965
[Roo]
There are three accounts.
552
00:31:19,137 --> 00:31:21,034
Three possible matches,
553
00:31:21,068 --> 00:31:22,862
all with the same last name.
554
00:31:23,896 --> 00:31:25,068
If there's no photos of him,
555
00:31:25,103 --> 00:31:26,344
then perhaps
there are photos of him
556
00:31:26,379 --> 00:31:28,862
on one of the multiple
other family members' pages.
557
00:31:28,896 --> 00:31:30,896
Whether it's like
a family reunion photo.
558
00:31:32,551 --> 00:31:33,689
Hold on.
559
00:31:35,620 --> 00:31:36,931
Are these siblings?
560
00:31:38,068 --> 00:31:41,517
On another person,
I guess, his sister,
561
00:31:41,551 --> 00:31:43,689
it comes up with her
family relationship
562
00:31:43,724 --> 00:31:47,896
and they are showing
as two brothers of hers.
563
00:31:47,931 --> 00:31:49,655
[Roo] One of them
has to be Jared.
564
00:31:49,689 --> 00:31:51,034
[Shelby] Yeah.
565
00:31:51,068 --> 00:31:54,896
[Roo]
Two brothers, two suspects,
566
00:31:54,931 --> 00:31:58,206
their appearances
are very different
from one another.
567
00:31:58,241 --> 00:32:00,068
They have
different body types.
568
00:32:01,206 --> 00:32:02,482
Which brother is it?
569
00:32:04,896 --> 00:32:07,586
Okay, so we have a Facebook,
we have an OfferUp.
570
00:32:12,862 --> 00:32:16,655
Let's [bleep] buy
the Nintendo Switch
Monster Hunter from him.
571
00:32:17,862 --> 00:32:19,344
-We could...
-That also might be
able to get
572
00:32:19,379 --> 00:32:21,448
-a physical meet
with him or to identify him.
-Yes.
573
00:32:21,482 --> 00:32:22,758
Absolutely,
it's a physical meet.
574
00:32:22,793 --> 00:32:24,620
I mean, we can [bleep] buy
this from him.
575
00:32:24,655 --> 00:32:26,034
Yeah.
576
00:32:26,068 --> 00:32:28,620
[Roo] In order for us
to figure out
which brother it is,
577
00:32:28,655 --> 00:32:31,068
we'll have to do
an in-person meet.
578
00:32:31,103 --> 00:32:32,793
We know he won't meet Flori,
579
00:32:32,827 --> 00:32:36,586
but he will meet and sell
one of his gaming devices
to someone else.
580
00:32:36,620 --> 00:32:37,827
Hey, Matt, wanna buy a Switch?
581
00:32:37,862 --> 00:32:40,241
I would love to buy a Switch.
582
00:32:40,275 --> 00:32:43,068
[Roo] We create a fake
online account on OfferUp
583
00:32:43,103 --> 00:32:45,482
and attempt to make
a purchase from our ACM.
584
00:32:54,827 --> 00:32:57,793
Um, he said that we could just
use his home.
585
00:32:59,862 --> 00:33:03,517
SOSA doesn't treat ACMs
who deal in CSAM lightly.
586
00:33:03,551 --> 00:33:05,896
In February, 2021,
587
00:33:05,931 --> 00:33:09,310
two FBI agents
lost their lives investigating
588
00:33:09,344 --> 00:33:11,068
a massive child porn case.
589
00:33:11,103 --> 00:33:13,965
[news anchor] We begin
with one of the deadliest days
in FBI history.
590
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,068
Two FBI agents
were killed today.
591
00:33:16,103 --> 00:33:19,172
Those agents
were called to execute
a search warrant
592
00:33:19,206 --> 00:33:21,103
on a child pornography case.
593
00:33:21,137 --> 00:33:25,310
The suspect
may have watched the agents
on a doorbell camera
594
00:33:25,344 --> 00:33:28,172
as they approached
and then shot them
595
00:33:28,206 --> 00:33:30,103
through the front door
of the apartment.
596
00:33:30,137 --> 00:33:33,517
Both of those FBI agents
who were killed specialized
597
00:33:33,551 --> 00:33:35,517
in child pornography
investigations
598
00:33:35,551 --> 00:33:38,896
and spent every single day
for the last several years
599
00:33:38,931 --> 00:33:42,034
working to protect children.
600
00:33:42,068 --> 00:33:43,965
[Roo] Instead of agreeing
to go to his house,
601
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,000
we suggest
an alternate location.
602
00:34:00,586 --> 00:34:02,517
Can you just type
in McDonald's?
603
00:34:02,551 --> 00:34:03,931
-Okay.
-Got it?
604
00:34:05,896 --> 00:34:07,206
We're gonna drop
you off first,
605
00:34:07,241 --> 00:34:09,827
and then
I'm gonna spin back around
and then I'm gonna park.
606
00:34:11,137 --> 00:34:12,413
So that you can walk in.
607
00:34:12,448 --> 00:34:14,241
Yeah.
608
00:34:14,275 --> 00:34:18,206
[Roo] Jared agrees to meet
at a fast-food restaurant
for the gaming system sale.
609
00:34:18,241 --> 00:34:20,310
While Matt goes
into the restaurant,
610
00:34:20,344 --> 00:34:24,000
Detective Suda
and I will watch to see
which brother shows up.
611
00:34:33,896 --> 00:34:34,965
He said he can't do it.
612
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,068
"Let's meet tomorrow
during the day." [bleep]
613
00:34:40,241 --> 00:34:41,310
What do you want me to say?
614
00:34:41,344 --> 00:34:43,896
Uh, you should say,
615
00:34:43,931 --> 00:34:46,241
I work during
the day tomorrow,
616
00:34:46,275 --> 00:34:47,793
so I can't do tomorrow.
617
00:34:47,827 --> 00:34:49,103
Say, "I'm work...
618
00:34:49,137 --> 00:34:50,793
I'm at work tomorrow
during the day."
619
00:34:50,827 --> 00:34:51,965
Sounds good.
620
00:34:52,965 --> 00:34:54,965
So, what's next?
621
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,310
You want...
Should we call him?
622
00:34:59,655 --> 00:35:01,965
Unless we go ahead
and just meet him
at his house.
623
00:35:05,655 --> 00:35:07,896
[Matt] Yeah.
I mean, I feel like
it's worthy of a scout.
624
00:35:09,655 --> 00:35:10,689
Call Suda.
625
00:35:12,827 --> 00:35:13,931
[Suda] Hello.
626
00:35:13,965 --> 00:35:16,379
[Roo speaking]
627
00:35:22,068 --> 00:35:24,206
I mean,
if you guys feel confident,
628
00:35:24,241 --> 00:35:26,965
just let me get there like
five minutes prior,
629
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,241
just to get...
630
00:35:28,275 --> 00:35:30,586
make sure I got a good spot
and then I'll call you
guys in.
631
00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:31,827
Okay.
632
00:35:31,862 --> 00:35:34,862
[Roo] Detective Suda okays
the meet at Jared's home,
633
00:35:34,896 --> 00:35:38,517
but only because the meet
is legal and transactional.
634
00:35:38,551 --> 00:35:41,310
He's not meeting
an underage decoy for sex.
635
00:35:41,344 --> 00:35:44,310
He's meeting Matt
to sell a gaming system.
636
00:35:44,344 --> 00:35:45,655
Just say,
"Would it still work
637
00:35:45,689 --> 00:35:47,137
if I just swing by your house?
638
00:35:56,068 --> 00:35:57,448
We have an address.
639
00:35:57,482 --> 00:35:58,689
[Matt] Okay.
640
00:36:15,689 --> 00:36:18,137
[Roo] I just want him
to pass off the money,
641
00:36:18,172 --> 00:36:20,413
take the Switch,
let him count the money.
642
00:36:20,448 --> 00:36:23,379
We'll try to get
a good look at him
and then get out of there.
643
00:36:23,413 --> 00:36:24,586
[Suda speaking]
644
00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:27,896
I'm just,
uh... I'm gonna go pull,
uh, closer right now.
645
00:36:29,103 --> 00:36:30,103
[Roo on phone]
646
00:36:32,517 --> 00:36:34,137
[Roo] Is this the street?
647
00:36:34,172 --> 00:36:35,793
[Matt] This is the street.
648
00:36:42,517 --> 00:36:44,931
[Suda] Okay. I don't see
anybody looking out
the window as of yet.
649
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:52,827
Silver Nissan [bleep],
park right in front of that.
650
00:36:54,517 --> 00:36:57,103
Roo, when you park,
just turn your lights off.
651
00:36:57,137 --> 00:36:58,137
[Roo] Yes, sir.
652
00:37:06,965 --> 00:37:08,103
All right, good.
653
00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:20,724
[sighs]
654
00:37:28,793 --> 00:37:31,103
[door creaks]
655
00:37:31,137 --> 00:37:32,344
Okay, door opening.
656
00:37:32,379 --> 00:37:33,724
Oh, God. Oh, God.
657
00:37:35,172 --> 00:37:36,206
[Matt] How you doing?
658
00:37:38,206 --> 00:37:40,000
Don't walk up those steps,
Matt.
659
00:37:42,689 --> 00:37:43,965
No, don't.
660
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,034
[Suda on comms] Walking up.
661
00:37:47,793 --> 00:37:49,275
God damn it, Matt.
662
00:37:52,965 --> 00:37:54,517
Looks like the money
was handed off.
663
00:38:00,551 --> 00:38:02,275
Come on, Matt,
what's going on here?
664
00:38:04,724 --> 00:38:06,931
Do you have visibility
inside the house?
665
00:38:06,965 --> 00:38:08,172
Nothing yet.
666
00:38:08,206 --> 00:38:09,517
I want Matt
to get out of there.
667
00:38:09,551 --> 00:38:11,586
I don't love
that he's still standing here.
668
00:38:14,103 --> 00:38:15,689
All right.
Move your ass, Matt.
669
00:38:20,034 --> 00:38:21,344
Grab the box.
670
00:38:26,241 --> 00:38:27,344
All right.
671
00:38:27,379 --> 00:38:30,413
Move, move, move,
move, move, move.
672
00:38:30,448 --> 00:38:32,827
[Suda on comms]
Where do you want me to drive
coming up-- Okay, we'll--
673
00:38:32,862 --> 00:38:34,448
Yeah. Hold on. Hold on.
674
00:38:34,482 --> 00:38:36,931
Get in.
Get in, get in, get in.
675
00:38:36,965 --> 00:38:38,586
How are you?
Are you okay?
676
00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:40,000
I'm okay.
677
00:38:40,034 --> 00:38:41,551
That was definitely him.
678
00:38:41,586 --> 00:38:42,862
Did he say his name?
679
00:38:42,896 --> 00:38:44,172
He did not say his name.
680
00:38:44,206 --> 00:38:46,620
I could tell he was being
a little protective
with things.
681
00:38:46,655 --> 00:38:48,000
You have the recordings
on your phone.
682
00:38:48,034 --> 00:38:49,034
[Matt] I have it. All good.
683
00:38:52,551 --> 00:38:54,517
[Roo] He opened the door,
walked right up the steps.
684
00:38:54,551 --> 00:38:57,896
They did the transaction,
and because he had to take it
685
00:38:57,931 --> 00:38:59,862
out of the envelope
and count the money,
686
00:38:59,896 --> 00:39:01,620
Matt got good footage of him.
687
00:39:01,655 --> 00:39:02,793
-Yeah.
-You wanna cast it?
688
00:39:02,827 --> 00:39:03,862
Yeah.
689
00:39:07,482 --> 00:39:08,586
Hey, how's it going?
690
00:39:09,793 --> 00:39:11,137
Cute cat.
691
00:39:11,793 --> 00:39:12,655
[Jared speaking]
692
00:39:15,655 --> 00:39:16,620
[Matt] Thanks.
693
00:39:18,172 --> 00:39:19,000
How you doing?
694
00:39:19,655 --> 00:39:20,793
All right.
695
00:39:20,827 --> 00:39:22,793
Thanks. So excited.
696
00:39:22,827 --> 00:39:24,482
Take your time,
feel free to count it.
697
00:39:24,517 --> 00:39:25,689
[Roo] Pause.
698
00:39:25,724 --> 00:39:28,586
This photo is from just
about a decade ago,
699
00:39:28,620 --> 00:39:30,068
right, almost a decade ago,
700
00:39:30,103 --> 00:39:32,827
and I think
that it's definitely him.
701
00:39:32,862 --> 00:39:33,931
[Avalon] Totally agree.
702
00:39:42,620 --> 00:39:44,000
[Roo] All right, hit pause.
703
00:39:44,034 --> 00:39:45,344
Picture that voice... like,
704
00:39:45,379 --> 00:39:46,896
think about that voice
and then also think
705
00:39:46,931 --> 00:39:49,586
about him saying
the words "sweet dreams."
706
00:39:49,620 --> 00:39:50,827
[Jared speaking]
707
00:40:00,655 --> 00:40:01,724
[Matt] That's the same voice.
708
00:40:01,758 --> 00:40:02,793
It's definitely him.
709
00:40:02,827 --> 00:40:03,862
-[Shelby] Yeah.
-[Avalon] Yeah.
710
00:40:06,206 --> 00:40:09,620
[Roo] Based on his body type,
facial features and voice,
711
00:40:09,655 --> 00:40:13,793
we now know which brother
has been communicating
with our decoy Flori.
712
00:40:13,827 --> 00:40:15,586
From appearances,
I was pretty sure
713
00:40:15,620 --> 00:40:17,758
it was him as soon as
he answered the door,
714
00:40:17,793 --> 00:40:19,344
based off of the images
that we've seen.
715
00:40:19,379 --> 00:40:20,931
He has
a pretty distinct voice.
716
00:40:20,965 --> 00:40:25,482
And watching the footage
with the team just validates
that this is our guy.
717
00:40:25,517 --> 00:40:28,448
I think, at this point,
we've positively ID'd him.
718
00:40:28,482 --> 00:40:31,000
We are going to keep speaking
with him
719
00:40:31,034 --> 00:40:33,103
because we do not want him
to be suspicious
720
00:40:33,137 --> 00:40:34,517
because of the amount of CSAM
721
00:40:34,551 --> 00:40:36,103
we think
he has in his devices.
722
00:40:36,137 --> 00:40:38,931
So, let's put
all this together,
723
00:40:38,965 --> 00:40:42,586
package it up, and get it
sent over to [bleep] police.
724
00:41:00,724 --> 00:41:02,206
[Jared speaking]
725
00:41:02,241 --> 00:41:04,068
[Roo] I'm just lying in bed.
726
00:41:06,655 --> 00:41:08,000
Oh, okay, yeah.
727
00:41:08,034 --> 00:41:11,137
But, like, I'm definitely
gonna be clothed.
728
00:41:18,103 --> 00:41:19,896
Say that again.
729
00:41:24,172 --> 00:41:27,000
I actually... Sorry,
I don't wanna cut you off,
730
00:41:27,034 --> 00:41:28,413
but I have to go to bed.
731
00:41:28,448 --> 00:41:31,517
I am not comfortable
doing that.
732
00:41:38,034 --> 00:41:43,689
[Roo] I am disappointed
that Jared/Garrett
has not been arrested.
733
00:41:43,724 --> 00:41:45,482
Does that mean
he will never be?
734
00:41:46,793 --> 00:41:50,172
No, we just aren't always
privy to what happens next.
735
00:41:51,724 --> 00:41:54,034
This is a battle
that has been lost
736
00:41:54,068 --> 00:41:56,551
in a very big war
that needs to be won.
737
00:41:59,689 --> 00:42:02,379
People my age,
we didn't have smartphones,
738
00:42:02,413 --> 00:42:05,965
we didn't have
unfettered access
to people on the Internet.
739
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,793
And so online sex abuse
is relatively new
740
00:42:08,827 --> 00:42:12,241
and I think a lot of people
don't understand it fully.
741
00:42:13,620 --> 00:42:17,275
The goal is to empower
our communities as a whole
742
00:42:17,310 --> 00:42:20,896
to combat online sex abuse
and exploitation.
743
00:42:20,931 --> 00:42:22,793
So, when we think
about the one case
744
00:42:22,827 --> 00:42:25,793
or the one ACM,
it's still upsetting.
745
00:42:27,137 --> 00:42:29,275
But there's more work
to be done.
746
00:42:29,310 --> 00:42:31,689
Okay, so we have a new ACM
that came up.
747
00:42:31,724 --> 00:42:33,862
Andy is 32.
748
00:42:33,896 --> 00:42:35,862
He is from New Haven.
749
00:42:35,896 --> 00:42:38,275
He's really open
with what he wants
750
00:42:38,310 --> 00:42:40,965
and is very much okay
with her age.
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