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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:12,281 --> 00:01:13,448 David: Time. 2 00:01:14,866 --> 00:01:17,619 One of the most complex expressions. 3 00:01:17,661 --> 00:01:19,204 Memory made manifest. 4 00:01:21,415 --> 00:01:23,917 It's something that straddles past and future 5 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,962 without ever quite being present. 6 00:01:27,004 --> 00:01:31,675 Or rather, it at first seems indifferent to the present. 7 00:01:31,717 --> 00:01:35,178 There's a tension of a most unfathomable nature. 8 00:01:36,638 --> 00:01:38,515 The word desires to be understood. 9 00:01:38,557 --> 00:01:40,392 To have meaning. 10 00:01:40,434 --> 00:01:43,312 But you somehow feel that it's not you yourself 11 00:01:43,353 --> 00:01:45,814 that the word is addressing. 12 00:01:47,024 --> 00:01:48,692 It washes over you, 13 00:01:50,193 --> 00:01:53,822 holding a dialogue with something arcane 14 00:01:53,864 --> 00:01:56,158 that's maybe not mortal. 15 00:01:56,199 --> 00:01:58,410 And you feel intrigued. 16 00:01:58,452 --> 00:01:59,620 Captured even. 17 00:02:01,204 --> 00:02:04,583 You're aware of a deeper existence. 18 00:02:04,625 --> 00:02:08,003 Maybe a temporary reassurance that indeed 19 00:02:08,045 --> 00:02:10,172 there is no beginning, no end. 20 00:02:11,882 --> 00:02:13,675 And all at once, the outward appearance 21 00:02:13,717 --> 00:02:16,094 of meaning is transcended. 22 00:02:16,136 --> 00:02:18,847 And you find yourself struggling to comprehend 23 00:02:18,889 --> 00:02:21,850 a deep and formidable mystery. 24 00:02:22,851 --> 00:02:25,270 All is transient. 25 00:02:25,312 --> 00:02:26,897 Does it matter? 26 00:02:26,938 --> 00:02:28,231 Do I bother? 27 00:02:54,383 --> 00:03:00,055 I inchworm, inchworm I 28 00:03:00,097 --> 00:03:04,142 I measuring the marigolds I 29 00:03:05,727 --> 00:03:07,479 I you and your... I 30 00:03:07,521 --> 00:03:10,941 David: All those moments 31 00:03:10,982 --> 00:03:13,860 will be lost in time... 32 00:03:16,697 --> 00:03:19,950 Like tears... 33 00:03:42,889 --> 00:03:44,641 Dust... 34 00:03:44,683 --> 00:03:47,144 Cover me moon dust. 35 00:03:48,353 --> 00:03:50,355 Cover me... 36 00:04:07,664 --> 00:04:10,876 I spaceboy, you're sleepy now I 37 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:17,591 I your silhouette is so stationary I 38 00:04:21,261 --> 00:04:24,598 I you're released, but your custody calls I 39 00:04:28,602 --> 00:04:30,979 I and I want to be free I 40 00:04:32,314 --> 00:04:34,733 I don't you want to be free I 41 00:04:35,984 --> 00:04:38,570 I do you like girls or boys? I 42 00:04:40,489 --> 00:04:43,074 I it's confusing these days I 43 00:04:44,326 --> 00:04:48,413 I but moondust will cover you I 44 00:04:48,455 --> 00:04:50,624 I cover you I 45 00:04:50,665 --> 00:04:52,709 I so bye bye love I 46 00:04:54,377 --> 00:04:56,630 I yeah bye bye love I 47 00:04:58,548 --> 00:05:00,550 I hallo, spaceboy I 48 00:05:02,010 --> 00:05:05,931 I this chaos is killing me I 49 00:05:05,972 --> 00:05:08,266 I hallo, spaceboy I 50 00:05:15,357 --> 00:05:18,902 Neil: Ground to major, bye bye, Tom 51 00:05:20,487 --> 00:05:23,198 David: J“ this chaos is killing me I 52 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,159 Neil: I dead the circuit, countdown's wrong I 53 00:05:27,828 --> 00:05:30,413 David: J“ this chaos is killing me I 54 00:05:30,455 --> 00:05:33,834 Neil: Planet earth, is control on? 55 00:05:33,875 --> 00:05:35,585 David: I so sleepy now I 56 00:05:35,627 --> 00:05:37,170 Neil: I do you wanna be free? I 57 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,383 both: I don't you wanna be free? I 58 00:05:42,634 --> 00:05:45,178 I do you like girls or boys? I 59 00:05:47,138 --> 00:05:49,558 I it's confusing these days I 60 00:05:51,059 --> 00:05:54,855 David: I but moondust will cover you I 61 00:05:54,896 --> 00:05:57,148 I cover you I 62 00:05:57,190 --> 00:05:59,776 I so bye bye love I 63 00:06:01,111 --> 00:06:03,113 I yeah, bye bye love I 64 00:06:05,282 --> 00:06:07,826 I hallo spaceboy I 65 00:06:07,868 --> 00:06:09,953 I spaceboy, spaceboy... I 66 00:06:11,246 --> 00:06:13,874 woman: I wanted to see him. 67 00:06:13,915 --> 00:06:15,709 Man: What are you so upset about? 68 00:06:15,750 --> 00:06:17,919 Girl: I wanted to see him. 69 00:06:17,961 --> 00:06:20,005 They said he was coming round the back. 70 00:06:20,046 --> 00:06:22,007 I've been waiting for ages to see him. 71 00:06:25,969 --> 00:06:27,345 Man: Why are you so upset? 72 00:06:27,387 --> 00:06:29,306 Girl: He's smashing. 73 00:06:29,347 --> 00:06:31,182 Girl 2: I kissed him! I kissed his hand! 74 00:06:32,517 --> 00:06:34,686 David: J“ hallo spaceboy I 75 00:06:39,566 --> 00:06:41,318 I hallo, hallo. I 76 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,162 Dick cavett: Rumors and questions have arisen, 77 00:06:52,203 --> 00:06:54,456 such as who is he, what is he, where did he come from? 78 00:06:54,497 --> 00:06:56,124 Is he a creature of a foreign power? 79 00:06:56,166 --> 00:06:57,792 Is he a creep? Is he dangerous? 80 00:06:57,834 --> 00:06:59,628 Is he smart, dumb, nice to his parents, 81 00:06:59,669 --> 00:07:02,547 real, a put-on, crazy, sane, man, woman, robot? 82 00:07:02,589 --> 00:07:04,090 What is this? 83 00:07:04,132 --> 00:07:06,760 Ladies and gentlemen, David bowie. 84 00:07:26,655 --> 00:07:28,448 I solemn faced I 85 00:07:28,490 --> 00:07:30,283 I the village settles down I 86 00:07:31,660 --> 00:07:34,496 I undetected by the stars I 87 00:07:37,749 --> 00:07:41,211 I hangman plays the mandolin I 88 00:07:41,252 --> 00:07:43,296 I before he goes to sleep I 89 00:07:46,466 --> 00:07:49,219 I and the last thing on his mind I 90 00:07:52,222 --> 00:07:55,850 I is the wild eyed boy imprisoned I 91 00:07:55,892 --> 00:07:57,727 I 'neath the covered wooden shaft I 92 00:08:01,272 --> 00:08:03,692 I folds the rope into its bag I 93 00:08:07,362 --> 00:08:10,573 I blows his pipe of smolders I 94 00:08:10,615 --> 00:08:13,201 I blankets smoke into the room I 95 00:08:16,663 --> 00:08:19,374 I and the day will end for some I 96 00:08:24,212 --> 00:08:27,424 I as the night begins for one I 97 00:08:34,097 --> 00:08:39,352 I staring through the message in his eyes I 98 00:08:39,394 --> 00:08:41,646 I lies a solitary son I 99 00:08:45,275 --> 00:08:48,945 I from the mountain called freecloud I 100 00:08:48,987 --> 00:08:51,656 I where the eagle dare not fly I 101 00:08:54,576 --> 00:08:57,370 I and the Patience in his sigh I 102 00:09:01,583 --> 00:09:04,294 I gives no indication I 103 00:09:04,335 --> 00:09:07,213 I for the townsmen to decide I 104 00:09:10,050 --> 00:09:13,219 I so the village dreadful yawns I 105 00:09:16,473 --> 00:09:19,768 I pronouncing gross diversion I 106 00:09:19,809 --> 00:09:21,311 I as the label for the dog I 107 00:09:24,189 --> 00:09:28,401 I oh, "it's the madness in his eyes" I 108 00:09:31,154 --> 00:09:34,616 I as he breaks the night to cry I 109 00:09:34,657 --> 00:09:37,869 I it's really me I 110 00:09:40,663 --> 00:09:44,375 I really you and really me I 111 00:09:47,087 --> 00:09:51,049 I it's so hard for us to really be I 112 00:09:55,887 --> 00:09:59,099 I really you and really me I 113 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,771 I you'll lose me, though I'm always I 114 00:10:04,813 --> 00:10:11,694 I really free I 115 00:10:11,736 --> 00:10:14,280 j'yeah... I 116 00:10:39,055 --> 00:10:42,433 I Jimmy rapped all night about his suicide I 117 00:10:42,475 --> 00:10:46,437 I how he'd kick it in the head when he was 25 I 118 00:10:46,479 --> 00:10:48,273 I all that speed jive I 119 00:10:48,314 --> 00:10:53,111 I don't want to stay alive when you're 25 I 120 00:10:53,153 --> 00:10:56,114 I Lucy's stealing clothes from unlocked cars I 121 00:10:56,156 --> 00:10:58,074 I Freddy's got spots I 122 00:10:58,116 --> 00:11:00,827 I from ripping off the stars from his face, honey I 123 00:11:02,036 --> 00:11:04,038 I a funky little boat race I 124 00:11:06,249 --> 00:11:08,877 I the television man is crazy I 125 00:11:08,918 --> 00:11:12,755 I saying we're juvenile delinquent wrecks I 126 00:11:12,797 --> 00:11:18,678 I but, man, I need a TV when I've got t. Rex I 127 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,513 I hey, brother, you guessed I 128 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:22,932 I I'm a dude I 129 00:11:24,893 --> 00:11:28,396 I all the young dudes I 130 00:11:28,438 --> 00:11:31,941 I carry the news I 131 00:11:31,983 --> 00:11:34,235 I boogaloo dudes I 132 00:11:35,403 --> 00:11:37,780 I carry the news I 133 00:11:41,451 --> 00:11:45,038 I all the young dudes I 134 00:11:45,079 --> 00:11:48,499 I carry the news I 135 00:11:48,541 --> 00:11:51,753 I boogaloo dudes yeah I 136 00:11:51,794 --> 00:11:54,672 I carry the news I 137 00:11:59,093 --> 00:12:01,512 I wake up you sleepy head I 138 00:12:01,554 --> 00:12:04,474 I put on some clothes, shake up your bed I 139 00:12:04,515 --> 00:12:07,810 I put another log on the fire for me I 140 00:12:07,852 --> 00:12:10,438 I I've made some breakfast and coffee I 141 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,608 I I look out my window what do I see I 142 00:12:13,650 --> 00:12:16,611 I a crack in the sky and a hand... I 143 00:12:17,987 --> 00:12:20,823 I reaching down... I 144 00:12:23,868 --> 00:12:25,912 I to me... I 145 00:12:28,831 --> 00:12:31,626 I all the nightmares came today I 146 00:12:33,711 --> 00:12:35,922 I and it looks as though they're here to stay... I 147 00:12:43,346 --> 00:12:45,890 I it's a god-awful small affair I 148 00:12:47,517 --> 00:12:49,936 I to the girl with the mousy hair I 149 00:12:51,396 --> 00:12:53,982 I but her mummy is yelling, "no" I 150 00:12:55,441 --> 00:12:59,237 I and her daddy has told her to go I 151 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:02,282 I but her friend is nowhere to be seen... I 152 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,868 man: He's just another fella, you know? 153 00:13:05,910 --> 00:13:07,620 Woman: No, he's not. He's different. 154 00:13:07,662 --> 00:13:09,956 Man: Well, nobody like him can produce the music. 155 00:13:15,795 --> 00:13:17,648 Man: Davie's the greatest, and I'll say it again. 156 00:13:17,672 --> 00:13:19,090 Dave's the greatest, 157 00:13:19,132 --> 00:13:20,734 and I'll say it again, Dave's the greatest. 158 00:13:20,758 --> 00:13:22,593 And I seen him onstage, and he was fantastic. 159 00:13:22,635 --> 00:13:24,863 I'll follow that bloke anywhere 'cause he's the greatest. 160 00:13:24,887 --> 00:13:26,764 And I'll say it again, he's the greatest. 161 00:13:26,806 --> 00:13:29,058 Man 2: Listen, you don't have to be bent to wear makeup. 162 00:13:29,100 --> 00:13:31,144 It looks good, so why not wear it? 163 00:13:31,185 --> 00:13:33,479 Woman: Even if it's camp, but he's sexy, isn't he? 164 00:13:33,521 --> 00:13:34,856 Sort of thing, really. 165 00:13:39,068 --> 00:13:41,362 David: If I can tart it all up enough, 166 00:13:41,404 --> 00:13:44,866 maybe people will see that it has a lot to do with just them. 167 00:13:44,907 --> 00:13:46,218 Interviewer: What, with reflection? 168 00:13:46,242 --> 00:13:47,660 David: Yeah, that it is really 169 00:13:47,702 --> 00:13:49,162 a reflection of what they're like. 170 00:13:49,203 --> 00:13:51,789 Host: Mr. Powell, Mr. Jenkins. 171 00:13:54,334 --> 00:13:56,210 Businessmen in general... 172 00:13:56,252 --> 00:13:57,712 Best watch it. 173 00:13:57,754 --> 00:13:59,213 Interviewer: How are you? 174 00:13:59,255 --> 00:14:00,399 David: I'm very well, thank you. How are you? 175 00:14:00,423 --> 00:14:01,758 Interviewer I'm fine. 176 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:03,676 David: Good. How are you? How are you? 177 00:14:03,718 --> 00:14:06,346 Interviewer: You, uh, have to get the gear on 178 00:14:06,387 --> 00:14:07,930 in order to project yourself. 179 00:14:07,972 --> 00:14:09,849 I mean, were you a nobody who suddenly thought, 180 00:14:09,891 --> 00:14:12,685 "Jesus, I must get into the scene by some other way"? 181 00:14:12,727 --> 00:14:14,246 David: I never asked Jesus for a think, no. 182 00:14:14,270 --> 00:14:15,581 It was always on my own initiative. 183 00:14:15,605 --> 00:14:16,814 And... 184 00:14:16,856 --> 00:14:19,942 When I was 14, I became a mod, 185 00:14:19,984 --> 00:14:21,527 and it just carried on from there. 186 00:14:21,569 --> 00:14:23,422 I've always dressed in what I considered clothes 187 00:14:23,446 --> 00:14:25,823 that are exciting for me, 188 00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:28,701 um, to prevent me becoming humdrum 189 00:14:28,743 --> 00:14:30,578 so that I would receive reaction from people 190 00:14:30,620 --> 00:14:31,996 which would encourage me to write. 191 00:14:33,873 --> 00:14:36,417 Interviewer: You will have obviously as many men followers 192 00:14:36,459 --> 00:14:38,145 - as you have women followers. - David: Yes. 193 00:14:38,169 --> 00:14:39,688 Interviewer: I mean, you haven't been shy about 194 00:14:39,712 --> 00:14:42,006 declaring a certain air of bisexuality. 195 00:14:42,048 --> 00:14:43,688 David: Not at all. I know quite a few men. 196 00:14:46,677 --> 00:14:49,097 Woman: Some people feel you're... 197 00:14:49,138 --> 00:14:50,848 By saying you're bisexual. 198 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:54,435 By... by kind of flaunting that in a way... 199 00:14:54,477 --> 00:14:55,603 David: Who's flaunting it? 200 00:15:00,858 --> 00:15:02,985 Interviewer: Why do you think that bisexuality in, 201 00:15:03,027 --> 00:15:06,114 say '72, '73 has become a common... not a common, 202 00:15:06,155 --> 00:15:08,032 but an accepted kind of deal. 203 00:15:08,074 --> 00:15:09,385 Why do you think we have moved into that 204 00:15:09,409 --> 00:15:11,786 era of liberal behavior? 205 00:15:11,828 --> 00:15:13,371 David: Once upon a time, your father, 206 00:15:13,413 --> 00:15:15,706 my father, everybody's father, I presume, 207 00:15:15,748 --> 00:15:19,419 wanted a good job, with a good income, or reasonable income. 208 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:23,923 Some chance of promotion to secure their family life. 209 00:15:23,965 --> 00:15:25,633 Um, where's the camera? 210 00:15:25,675 --> 00:15:28,469 You're probably fine there, and that's where it ended. 211 00:15:28,511 --> 00:15:31,055 But now, people want a role in society. 212 00:15:31,097 --> 00:15:32,616 They want to feel that they have a position. 213 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,392 They want to be an individual, 214 00:15:34,434 --> 00:15:36,120 and I think there's a lot of searching to find 215 00:15:36,144 --> 00:15:37,979 the individual within oneself. 216 00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:39,540 Interviewer: Right, and how about the shoes? 217 00:15:39,564 --> 00:15:40,833 Are those men's shoes, or women's shoes, 218 00:15:40,857 --> 00:15:42,066 or bisexual shoes? 219 00:15:42,108 --> 00:15:43,388 David: They're shoe shoes, silly. 220 00:15:51,701 --> 00:15:54,120 David: There was a feeling of excitement and titillation 221 00:15:54,162 --> 00:15:55,705 about moving in areas 222 00:15:55,746 --> 00:15:58,166 which were forbidden to the rest of society. 223 00:16:04,714 --> 00:16:07,425 From micro to macro, from yin to Yang, 224 00:16:07,467 --> 00:16:09,010 from male to female, 225 00:16:09,051 --> 00:16:12,555 there is no scissor cut. No absolute. 226 00:16:15,641 --> 00:16:18,936 I believe that there was an unconscious move to create 227 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:21,981 a high priest form from the line of the Greek gods 228 00:16:22,023 --> 00:16:23,608 who could procreate themselves. 229 00:16:23,649 --> 00:16:26,694 Somebody who was at a super level 230 00:16:26,736 --> 00:16:30,406 to we regular mortals, because of his androgynous nature, 231 00:16:30,448 --> 00:16:32,116 being somebody that incorporated 232 00:16:32,158 --> 00:16:34,118 both feminine and masculine attributes. 233 00:16:35,244 --> 00:16:36,412 I I'm an alligator I 234 00:16:38,206 --> 00:16:41,334 I I'm a mama-papa comin' for you I 235 00:16:41,375 --> 00:16:42,835 I I'm the space invader I 236 00:16:44,587 --> 00:16:48,132 I I'll be a rock 'n' rollin' bitch for you I 237 00:16:48,174 --> 00:16:49,634 I keep your mouth shut I 238 00:16:51,302 --> 00:16:54,096 I you're squawking like a pink monkey bird I 239 00:16:54,138 --> 00:16:57,725 j'and I'm bustin' up my brains for the words I 240 00:16:58,726 --> 00:16:59,726 know I am. 241 00:17:03,314 --> 00:17:06,484 I keep your 'iectric eye on me, babe I 242 00:17:09,403 --> 00:17:13,199 I put your ray gun to my head I 243 00:17:15,868 --> 00:17:19,288 I press your space face close to mine, love I 244 00:17:21,874 --> 00:17:25,920 I freak out in a moonage daydream, oh yeah! I 245 00:17:29,215 --> 00:17:30,633 I don't fake it baby I 246 00:17:32,385 --> 00:17:35,429 I lay the real thing on me I 247 00:17:35,471 --> 00:17:37,056 I you know, the church of man, love I 248 00:17:38,933 --> 00:17:41,519 I is such a holy place to be I 249 00:17:41,561 --> 00:17:43,729 I don't fake it, baby I 250 00:17:45,189 --> 00:17:48,234 I make me know you really care I 251 00:17:48,276 --> 00:17:51,362 I make me jump into the air I 252 00:17:53,072 --> 00:17:54,198 I if you dare I 253 00:17:57,201 --> 00:18:00,454 I keep your 'iectric eye on me, babe I 254 00:18:03,332 --> 00:18:06,877 I put your ray gun to my head I 255 00:18:09,755 --> 00:18:13,342 I press your space face close to mine, love I 256 00:18:15,595 --> 00:18:19,765 I freak out in a moonage daydream, oh yeah! I 257 00:18:24,395 --> 00:18:25,813 David: It was a pudding, you know? 258 00:18:25,855 --> 00:18:27,690 It was a pudding of new ideas. 259 00:18:27,732 --> 00:18:29,775 I think we took it on our shoulders 260 00:18:29,817 --> 00:18:32,945 that we were creating the 21st century in 1971. 261 00:18:32,987 --> 00:18:36,032 We wanted to just blast everything in the past. 262 00:18:36,073 --> 00:18:40,244 Question all the established values, all the taboos. 263 00:18:40,286 --> 00:18:42,913 Everything is rubbish and all rubbish is wonderful. 264 00:18:48,377 --> 00:18:51,672 I keep your 'iectric eye on me, babe I 265 00:18:54,717 --> 00:18:58,179 I put your ray gun to my head I 266 00:19:01,015 --> 00:19:04,560 I press your space face close to mine, love I 267 00:19:07,104 --> 00:19:11,817 I freak out in a moonage daydream, oh yeah! I 268 00:19:15,529 --> 00:19:16,656 I freak out I 269 00:19:19,033 --> 00:19:20,284 I far out I 270 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,306 Woman: I just didn't... to this. 271 00:19:42,348 --> 00:19:45,810 I've never seen anything like this before. 272 00:19:45,851 --> 00:19:48,091 Woman 2: See, I'm just a space cadet, he's the commander. 273 00:19:50,231 --> 00:19:51,524 Man: What universe is that? 274 00:19:51,565 --> 00:19:53,901 Man 2: Bowie universe. 275 00:19:53,943 --> 00:19:56,404 Woman: Now nobody's scared to walk around like that, 276 00:19:56,445 --> 00:19:58,364 are they? He's done it, ain't he. 277 00:19:58,406 --> 00:20:01,409 He's broke through a barrier, now, ain't he? 278 00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:03,494 Woman 2: I guess I'm living my fantasy, you know? 279 00:20:03,536 --> 00:20:04,662 Man: What's your fantasy? 280 00:20:04,704 --> 00:20:06,080 Woman 2: Oh, bowie. 281 00:20:06,122 --> 00:20:09,166 Man: I like people who are ac/dc. 282 00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:10,793 You know what I mean? 283 00:20:10,835 --> 00:20:12,479 Interviewer: Do the clothes, you are trying to say, 284 00:20:12,503 --> 00:20:15,047 are the clothes expressed now your own personality? 285 00:20:15,089 --> 00:20:17,258 David: Um, no, that I've never been quite clear about. 286 00:20:17,299 --> 00:20:18,860 I've never been sure of my own personality. 287 00:20:18,884 --> 00:20:20,594 Interviewer: That's very refreshing. 288 00:20:20,636 --> 00:20:22,876 That's a very refreshing thing to hear somebody say that. 289 00:20:24,223 --> 00:20:27,685 Very. But can you fill us in on the barest outlines? 290 00:20:27,727 --> 00:20:29,603 David: I'm a collector. 291 00:20:29,645 --> 00:20:33,190 Um, and I've always just seemed to collect personalities, 292 00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:36,569 um, ideas. I have a hodge podge philosophy 293 00:20:36,610 --> 00:20:41,031 - which really is very minimal. - Um, What? 294 00:20:41,073 --> 00:20:42,843 Interviewer: Do you believe in god? 295 00:20:42,867 --> 00:20:44,535 David: Um, I believe in an energy form. 296 00:20:44,577 --> 00:20:46,162 I'm not... I wouldn't put a... 297 00:20:46,203 --> 00:20:48,080 Iwouldn't like to put a name to it. 298 00:20:48,122 --> 00:20:50,291 Interviewer: Do you indulge in any form of worship? 299 00:20:50,332 --> 00:20:52,752 David: Um, uh, life. 300 00:20:54,003 --> 00:20:55,671 I love life very much indeed. 301 00:21:01,302 --> 00:21:03,721 David: My strivings to have some kind of spiritual base 302 00:21:03,763 --> 00:21:06,265 were really, really strong all my life, 303 00:21:06,307 --> 00:21:08,142 and I think I tried to amalgamate 304 00:21:08,184 --> 00:21:11,145 my own bedrock of spirituality. 305 00:21:11,187 --> 00:21:13,105 I mean, I was a Buddhist on Tuesday, 306 00:21:13,147 --> 00:21:15,024 and I was into Nietzsche by Friday. 307 00:21:24,575 --> 00:21:26,911 Interviewer: Some time flirting with buddhism, 308 00:21:26,952 --> 00:21:28,712 and spending some time in a Buddhist retreat. 309 00:21:28,746 --> 00:21:31,040 David: I mean, I felt at the time that I was, you know, 310 00:21:31,081 --> 00:21:36,378 um, Buddha's answer to everything he wanted man to be, 311 00:21:36,420 --> 00:21:39,215 but I'm... the one thing that hung over from that time 312 00:21:39,256 --> 00:21:42,635 was the feeling of impermanence and transience. 313 00:21:42,676 --> 00:21:45,429 That was the one thing that really struck home 314 00:21:45,471 --> 00:21:47,348 about everything that I was learning. 315 00:21:47,389 --> 00:21:49,183 Nothing's gonna stay around very long. 316 00:21:49,225 --> 00:21:50,619 I mean, you know, everything changes 317 00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:52,311 different rates. 318 00:21:52,353 --> 00:21:54,814 Some seem to me sort of established for a bit, 319 00:21:54,855 --> 00:21:57,608 but they're only moving at a slower rate than other things 320 00:21:57,650 --> 00:22:00,486 and they're all inevitably sort of a change-over. 321 00:22:11,497 --> 00:22:15,167 For me, there's always been a thread of merely, 322 00:22:15,209 --> 00:22:17,378 um, a search. 323 00:22:17,419 --> 00:22:20,172 Generally, I think the subject matters always come back 324 00:22:20,214 --> 00:22:23,467 to this singular question of nearly every artist, 325 00:22:23,509 --> 00:22:26,053 which is what's my relationship with the universe? 326 00:22:26,095 --> 00:22:28,764 Whatever other form it takes that's basic, 327 00:22:28,806 --> 00:22:31,308 I think that's probably the essential question 328 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:34,103 that all of us ask ourselves. 329 00:22:34,144 --> 00:22:36,355 A lot of us probably on that last few minutes. 330 00:22:50,494 --> 00:22:51,996 Interviewer: What's Ziggy? 331 00:22:52,037 --> 00:22:54,874 David: Ziggy, I wanted... I wanted to define 332 00:22:54,915 --> 00:22:57,918 the archetype "Messiah rockstar." 333 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,837 That's all I wanted to do, 334 00:22:59,879 --> 00:23:02,840 and I used the trappings of kabuki theater, 335 00:23:02,882 --> 00:23:06,176 mime technique, and fringe New York music. 336 00:23:07,386 --> 00:23:10,222 I love, love me do I 337 00:23:10,264 --> 00:23:13,684 I you know I love you I 338 00:23:13,726 --> 00:23:16,729 I I'll always be true I 339 00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:19,732 I so please I 340 00:23:22,109 --> 00:23:23,235 audience: I love me do I 341 00:23:25,487 --> 00:23:27,197 David: J“ loves to be loved I 342 00:23:27,239 --> 00:23:29,366 David: Ziggy was for me a very simplistic thing: 343 00:23:29,408 --> 00:23:31,785 What it seemed to be, an alien rockstar, 344 00:23:31,827 --> 00:23:34,496 but other people reread him 345 00:23:34,538 --> 00:23:37,041 and contributed more information about Ziggy 346 00:23:37,082 --> 00:23:38,082 than I'd put into him. 347 00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:09,949 David: You know, we've set ourselves up as such. 348 00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:11,825 We want it all. 349 00:24:11,867 --> 00:24:13,577 You know, we want all the adulation, 350 00:24:13,619 --> 00:24:15,305 and people to read the lyrics, and read and everything 351 00:24:15,329 --> 00:24:16,580 just to play the game. 352 00:26:52,069 --> 00:26:54,130 David: When I was really young, one of the mysteries, 353 00:26:54,154 --> 00:26:57,199 the great mystery of rock, was that I hardly understood 354 00:26:57,241 --> 00:26:59,284 a word of what they were singing about. 355 00:27:01,453 --> 00:27:03,747 Fats domino, I still don't know 356 00:27:03,789 --> 00:27:05,749 one word of one lyric that he ever wrote. 357 00:27:05,791 --> 00:27:08,377 I never understood his pronunciation. 358 00:27:08,418 --> 00:27:11,130 And that made it even more mysterious, and wonderful, 359 00:27:11,171 --> 00:27:12,798 and magic, you know? 360 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,591 That he was talking about something 361 00:27:14,633 --> 00:27:16,927 that I couldn't even possibly start to understand, 362 00:27:16,969 --> 00:27:19,471 and I wanted in. 363 00:27:19,513 --> 00:27:21,306 I wanted to be in that place, 364 00:27:21,348 --> 00:27:24,560 this alternate universe, you know? 365 00:27:24,601 --> 00:27:27,104 And that was so much a part of the magic of music, 366 00:27:27,146 --> 00:27:29,022 and the same with art. 367 00:27:29,064 --> 00:27:32,442 I never really... I could appreciate the vermeer, 368 00:27:32,484 --> 00:27:34,945 or tintoretto, or titian, or something like that, 369 00:27:34,987 --> 00:27:37,281 but because it was symbolic and figurative, 370 00:27:37,322 --> 00:27:41,577 it didn't... I was never that impressed with virtuosity. 371 00:27:41,618 --> 00:27:44,288 I was, you know, I understood that their technique 372 00:27:44,329 --> 00:27:46,349 and the way they applied paint, and what they could do, 373 00:27:46,373 --> 00:27:49,376 and how they could embrace light and all that, 374 00:27:49,418 --> 00:27:52,421 I understood and realized the... 375 00:27:52,462 --> 00:27:56,550 And I bowed in humbleness at their... 376 00:27:56,592 --> 00:27:59,261 But it wasn't... I mean, that's not what I wanted from it. 377 00:27:59,303 --> 00:28:01,013 I wanted to use art. 378 00:28:01,054 --> 00:28:04,391 I wanted to use art in a different way in my life. 379 00:28:04,433 --> 00:28:06,226 I wanted a sense that... 380 00:28:09,646 --> 00:28:12,024 All the nooks and crannies that we don't understand 381 00:28:12,065 --> 00:28:14,318 about the way that we live through our day to day life, 382 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,987 and I wanted that shown to me, you know? 383 00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:20,532 Not in great clarity, but some kind of physical manifestation 384 00:28:20,574 --> 00:28:24,161 of these are the areas of life that are causing you grief, 385 00:28:24,203 --> 00:28:27,915 or euphoria, and you don't really know why. 386 00:28:27,956 --> 00:28:29,791 Why is it that you wake up one day, 387 00:28:29,833 --> 00:28:33,670 and an oak tree, hit by the light in a certain way, 388 00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:37,883 will produce these extraordinary feelings of glee, 389 00:28:37,925 --> 00:28:39,635 and absolute enjoyment, 390 00:28:39,676 --> 00:28:42,012 exhilaration at actually being alive. 391 00:28:42,054 --> 00:28:44,514 Another day, you can wake up 392 00:28:44,556 --> 00:28:47,351 and that same tree will seem like some 393 00:28:47,392 --> 00:28:51,647 caspar David friedrich symbolic death, you know? 394 00:28:51,688 --> 00:28:53,899 And it will be dark and negative and awful, you know? 395 00:28:53,941 --> 00:28:56,568 And it's that sense of why those things happen? 396 00:28:56,610 --> 00:28:59,529 Why aren't things the same every single day 397 00:28:59,571 --> 00:29:01,531 and produce exactly the same feeling? 398 00:29:01,573 --> 00:29:03,325 And art always does that to me. 399 00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:18,423 Interviewer: What are your hobbies? 400 00:29:18,465 --> 00:29:20,026 David: Well, where would you like to start? 401 00:29:20,050 --> 00:29:25,847 Uh, I sculpt, paint, and write films. 402 00:29:25,889 --> 00:29:28,976 Um, I make video television. 403 00:29:29,017 --> 00:29:30,727 Not programs, but video television. 404 00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:33,355 - Interviewer: Of what? - Um, art things that I do. 405 00:29:33,397 --> 00:29:39,278 Experimental video, and cinematography. 406 00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:40,964 Interviewer: With the art now that you create, 407 00:29:40,988 --> 00:29:42,406 the sculpturings... 408 00:29:42,447 --> 00:29:45,075 David: Yeah, I have... You'll see. 409 00:29:47,536 --> 00:29:49,329 Interviewer: Is what... 410 00:29:49,371 --> 00:29:52,541 David: I play with video, yes. I flirt an awful lot. 411 00:30:02,676 --> 00:30:04,279 I've asked again, over the last few years, 412 00:30:04,303 --> 00:30:06,179 I've been identifying again with a force. 413 00:30:06,221 --> 00:30:07,848 I don't know how I'm going to... 414 00:30:07,889 --> 00:30:10,309 How it will end up for me, 415 00:30:10,350 --> 00:30:14,229 but, um, I can't pinpoint it, 416 00:30:14,271 --> 00:30:16,356 but I do have a very strong belief in... 417 00:30:17,899 --> 00:30:20,277 In a force, and I don't know how it works. 418 00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:23,405 What I mean is, there is something else other than us. 419 00:30:23,447 --> 00:30:25,615 That's as near as I can get to it, 420 00:30:25,657 --> 00:30:30,203 and it may even just be people on other planets 421 00:30:30,245 --> 00:30:31,538 that I'm thinking about. 422 00:30:31,580 --> 00:30:33,123 It may be god. 423 00:30:33,165 --> 00:30:34,875 It may be... I don't know what it is, 424 00:30:34,916 --> 00:30:36,516 but there's a definite force that I feel. 425 00:30:38,128 --> 00:30:39,939 Interviewer: Almost like there's something else, 426 00:30:39,963 --> 00:30:41,941 - that we're just a part of it. - David: Yeah. Yeah. 427 00:30:41,965 --> 00:30:44,217 Interviewer: That's beyond us. That's my feeling as well. 428 00:30:44,259 --> 00:30:47,220 There's always been, um, for me... 429 00:30:47,262 --> 00:30:50,182 I guess for a lot of people... A certain sense of you 430 00:30:50,223 --> 00:30:53,810 that's other-worldly. Um, and of course that's... 431 00:31:03,779 --> 00:31:08,325 I dilejo I 432 00:31:10,452 --> 00:31:16,083 I sula vie milejo I 433 00:31:16,124 --> 00:31:20,670 I mmm-omm... I 434 00:32:17,686 --> 00:32:19,020 David: Like anything useful, 435 00:32:20,439 --> 00:32:21,982 it's all got to do with fear. 436 00:32:24,276 --> 00:32:26,069 I think he's broken his arm, sir. 437 00:32:28,738 --> 00:32:31,450 They wouldn't bother with it, captain. 438 00:32:33,326 --> 00:32:38,248 I I'm closer to the golden dawn I 439 00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:41,960 I immersed in crowley's uniform I 440 00:32:42,002 --> 00:32:45,255 I of imagery... I 441 00:32:45,297 --> 00:32:47,466 interviewer: Ziggy was a disguise? 442 00:32:47,507 --> 00:32:49,176 David: He was a character that I created. 443 00:32:49,217 --> 00:32:51,219 I wanted to make films... 444 00:32:51,261 --> 00:32:53,972 I I'm living in a silent film... I 445 00:32:54,014 --> 00:32:58,059 and I transposed most of those ideas into music form. 446 00:33:00,729 --> 00:33:02,081 Interviewer: How long is it gonna take 447 00:33:02,105 --> 00:33:03,690 before you're all David bowie? 448 00:33:03,732 --> 00:33:05,358 David: Oh never, you know. 449 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,194 I'd run off into something else, you know. 450 00:33:07,235 --> 00:33:11,323 I I'm frightened by the total goal I 451 00:33:11,364 --> 00:33:14,034 I drawing to the ragged hole I 452 00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:15,595 interviewer: What's "changes" all about? 453 00:33:15,619 --> 00:33:17,996 David: Changes. 454 00:33:18,038 --> 00:33:20,207 Someone putting themselves through 455 00:33:20,248 --> 00:33:23,126 as much experimentation to, you know, 456 00:33:23,168 --> 00:33:25,837 sort of treating oneself as a bit of an experiment. 457 00:33:27,172 --> 00:33:30,091 I put myself in predicaments 458 00:33:30,133 --> 00:33:32,969 to see how I'll cope with them a lot. 459 00:33:33,011 --> 00:33:36,515 It's sort of trying to strengthen myself. 460 00:33:36,556 --> 00:33:41,102 I I'm the twisted name in goebbel's eyes I 461 00:33:41,144 --> 00:33:44,397 I living proof of Churchill's lies I 462 00:33:45,565 --> 00:33:47,651 I I'm destiny I 463 00:33:52,447 --> 00:33:57,118 I I'm torn between the light and dark I 464 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,247 I where others see their targets I 465 00:34:00,288 --> 00:34:04,125 I in divine symmetry I 466 00:34:09,172 --> 00:34:12,259 I put myself in dangerous situations, which I did. 467 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:16,054 Put myself in any situation which I feel I can't cope with. 468 00:34:16,096 --> 00:34:17,532 Interviewer: Dangerous situations, such as what? 469 00:34:17,556 --> 00:34:19,015 Can you explain that? 470 00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:20,657 David: Yeah. Areas where I have to be in, 471 00:34:20,684 --> 00:34:22,269 sort of, social contact with people, 472 00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:24,229 which I'm not very good at doing. 473 00:34:24,271 --> 00:34:25,939 I put myself in... 474 00:34:25,981 --> 00:34:27,792 Interviewer: I don't quite know what you mean now. 475 00:34:27,816 --> 00:34:29,544 David: Well, I went to Los Angeles and I lived there 476 00:34:29,568 --> 00:34:31,861 for a couple of years, which is a city I really detest. 477 00:34:31,903 --> 00:34:33,572 - Interviewer: Yeah. - David: So, iwent to 478 00:34:33,613 --> 00:34:37,284 live there to see what would happen to my writing. 479 00:34:39,411 --> 00:34:43,790 Aretha Franklin: I when my soul was in the lost and found... I 480 00:34:43,832 --> 00:34:45,142 interviewer: Since you've been in america, 481 00:34:45,166 --> 00:34:46,793 you seem to have picked up 482 00:34:46,835 --> 00:34:49,963 on a lot of the idioms and themes of American music, 483 00:34:50,005 --> 00:34:53,049 and American culture. How has that happened? 484 00:34:53,091 --> 00:34:55,844 David: There's a fly floating around in my milk. 485 00:34:55,885 --> 00:34:58,847 There's a foreign body in it, you see? 486 00:34:58,888 --> 00:35:00,640 And it's getting a lot of milk. 487 00:35:00,682 --> 00:35:02,058 That's kind of how I feel. 488 00:35:04,185 --> 00:35:07,606 Aforeign body, and I just... I couldn't help but soak it up. 489 00:35:07,647 --> 00:35:09,399 You know. 490 00:35:09,441 --> 00:35:11,901 I hated it when I first came here. 491 00:35:11,943 --> 00:35:13,194 I couldn't see any of it. 492 00:35:14,404 --> 00:35:16,114 Look, a wax museum. 493 00:35:16,156 --> 00:35:19,242 Hey, a bleedin' wax museum in the middle of a desert! 494 00:35:19,284 --> 00:35:21,328 You'd think it would melt, wouldn't you? 495 00:35:39,554 --> 00:35:41,348 David: There's a good, old circle thing, 496 00:35:41,389 --> 00:35:43,266 and it really is, it's uh, 497 00:35:43,308 --> 00:35:47,103 it's the decadence that precedes the righteousness, 498 00:35:47,145 --> 00:35:49,648 and the morality 499 00:35:49,689 --> 00:35:53,652 of an extremely right wing art form, 500 00:35:53,693 --> 00:35:56,863 which, in its right wing-ness is in fact very liberal 501 00:35:56,905 --> 00:35:58,883 because the faster you can get rid of the right wings, 502 00:35:58,907 --> 00:36:01,951 and by accelerating it, then you bring back. 503 00:36:01,993 --> 00:36:04,704 You've got to go through the dictatorship. 504 00:36:04,746 --> 00:36:06,498 You've got to go through the right wing... 505 00:36:06,539 --> 00:36:07,791 David: Coveting the highest... 506 00:36:07,832 --> 00:36:09,876 David: Exactly. 507 00:36:09,918 --> 00:36:11,670 Man ray is suddenly getting very popular... 508 00:36:13,588 --> 00:36:16,966 And it's... I mean, I... we... I know, you know what's coming. 509 00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:22,722 I mean, baby, what is coming. 510 00:36:22,764 --> 00:36:24,182 Of course it is, yeah. 511 00:36:24,224 --> 00:36:26,226 And we're going to live through it. 512 00:36:26,267 --> 00:36:28,520 We're gonna be lucky enough. 513 00:36:28,561 --> 00:36:31,356 David: This ain't rock and roll! 514 00:36:31,398 --> 00:36:33,775 This is genocide! 515 00:36:56,965 --> 00:36:58,633 I I've come on a few years I 516 00:36:58,675 --> 00:37:00,885 I from my Hollywood highs I 517 00:37:00,927 --> 00:37:02,512 I the best of the last I 518 00:37:02,554 --> 00:37:04,764 I the cleanest star' they ever had I 519 00:37:04,806 --> 00:37:06,599 I I'm stiff on my legend I 520 00:37:06,641 --> 00:37:08,518 I the films that I made I 521 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,311 I forget that I'm fifty I 522 00:37:10,353 --> 00:37:12,439 I 'cause you just got paid I 523 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,399 I crack, baby, crack I 524 00:37:14,441 --> 00:37:16,401 I show me you're real I 525 00:37:16,443 --> 00:37:20,071 I smack, baby, smack, is that all that you feel I 526 00:37:20,113 --> 00:37:21,865 I suck, baby, suck I 527 00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:24,075 I give me your head I 528 00:37:24,117 --> 00:37:25,910 I before you start professing I 529 00:37:25,952 --> 00:37:29,038 I that you're knocking me dead... I 530 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,891 interviewer: You know, you haven't... your accent, 531 00:37:30,915 --> 00:37:33,334 your voice, your method of speech has not changed. 532 00:37:33,376 --> 00:37:35,545 You've been away for two years. 533 00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:37,630 Does that mean you've been locked away somewhere? 534 00:37:37,672 --> 00:37:39,132 David: Yes, I don't talk to anybody. 535 00:37:41,342 --> 00:37:44,095 Interviewer: But do people talk to you? 536 00:37:44,137 --> 00:37:45,680 David: I've heard it rumored, yes. 537 00:37:47,223 --> 00:37:48,683 I but since he pinned you, baby I 538 00:37:48,725 --> 00:37:50,852 I you're a porcupine I 539 00:37:50,894 --> 00:37:54,481 I you sold me illusions for a sack full of checks I 540 00:37:54,522 --> 00:37:58,234 I you've made a bad connection 'cause I just want your sex I 541 00:37:58,276 --> 00:38:00,278 I crack, baby, crack I 542 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,405 I show me you're real I 543 00:38:02,447 --> 00:38:06,117 I smack, baby, smack, is that all that you feel I 544 00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:08,119 I suck, baby, suck I 545 00:38:08,161 --> 00:38:09,537 I give me your head I 546 00:38:09,579 --> 00:38:11,456 I before you start professing I 547 00:38:11,498 --> 00:38:13,875 I that you're knocking me dead I 548 00:38:15,168 --> 00:38:16,753 ioh... j“ 549 00:38:22,467 --> 00:38:24,010 I oh stay I 550 00:38:26,262 --> 00:38:27,680 I don't you dare I 551 00:38:30,266 --> 00:38:32,227 I oh yeah... I 552 00:38:35,814 --> 00:38:37,190 I don't you dare I 553 00:38:39,692 --> 00:38:42,737 I oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I 554 00:38:42,779 --> 00:38:44,113 j'yeah... I 555 00:39:20,108 --> 00:39:21,985 Dick: Some people thought... 556 00:39:22,026 --> 00:39:24,004 There's a lady who said "I don't know if he'd be... 557 00:39:24,028 --> 00:39:25,798 If I'd want to meet him. He would make me very nervous. 558 00:39:25,822 --> 00:39:27,341 I have a feeling he's into black magic, 559 00:39:27,365 --> 00:39:29,117 and that sort of thing." 560 00:39:29,158 --> 00:39:31,220 And other people see you as just a very skillful performer 561 00:39:31,244 --> 00:39:33,329 who changes from time to time, 562 00:39:33,371 --> 00:39:34,622 from one thing to another. 563 00:39:34,664 --> 00:39:36,708 David: Yeah. Well, both of that is... 564 00:39:36,749 --> 00:39:38,167 Dick: All of the above? 565 00:39:39,878 --> 00:39:41,462 Rock 'n' roll with me 566 00:39:41,504 --> 00:39:45,341 I you always were the one that knew I 567 00:39:48,344 --> 00:39:51,973 I they sold us for the likes of you I 568 00:39:55,268 --> 00:39:58,438 I I never wanted anything I 569 00:39:58,479 --> 00:40:00,982 I but new surroundings I 570 00:40:02,775 --> 00:40:04,861 I a room to rent I 571 00:40:04,903 --> 00:40:10,742 I while the lizards lay lying in the heat I 572 00:40:10,783 --> 00:40:12,428 interviewer: What kind of childhood did you have? 573 00:40:12,452 --> 00:40:13,953 David: Oh, incredibly ordinary. 574 00:40:13,995 --> 00:40:15,788 - Interviewer: Ordinary? - David: Yeah. 575 00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:17,433 - Interviewer: In what way? - David: Well, I mean, 576 00:40:17,457 --> 00:40:19,292 it was regular. I went to school, I ate. 577 00:40:21,628 --> 00:40:24,047 David: In suburbia, you're given the impression 578 00:40:24,088 --> 00:40:26,049 that nothing culturally belongs to you. 579 00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:28,176 That you are sort of in this wasteland, 580 00:40:28,217 --> 00:40:30,637 and I think there's a passion for most people 581 00:40:30,678 --> 00:40:33,181 who have an iota of curiosity 582 00:40:33,222 --> 00:40:35,642 about them to escape and get out. 583 00:40:35,683 --> 00:40:40,188 I when you rock 'n' roll with me I 584 00:40:43,191 --> 00:40:47,320 I no one else I'd rather be I 585 00:40:49,656 --> 00:40:55,787 I nobody here can do it for me I 586 00:40:55,828 --> 00:40:57,705 I I'm in tears again I 587 00:41:01,584 --> 00:41:06,714 I when you rock 'n' roll with me I 588 00:41:10,385 --> 00:41:12,220 David: One of my siblings 589 00:41:12,261 --> 00:41:14,889 meant so much to me in my early years, 590 00:41:14,931 --> 00:41:17,475 and his name was Terry, and he was my half-brother, 591 00:41:17,517 --> 00:41:19,060 my mother's son. 592 00:41:19,102 --> 00:41:20,621 David: Hey, hey, good evening, buffalo. 593 00:41:20,645 --> 00:41:23,356 It's nice to be here. 594 00:41:23,398 --> 00:41:27,694 David: He was living between our family and another family, 595 00:41:27,735 --> 00:41:30,154 and the periods that I did see him, 596 00:41:30,196 --> 00:41:33,199 it seemed to me that he had more curiosity about the world 597 00:41:33,241 --> 00:41:34,784 than anybody I'd met. 598 00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:41,082 And the first real, major event for me was 599 00:41:41,124 --> 00:41:43,292 when he passed Jack kerouac's on the road on to me, 600 00:41:43,334 --> 00:41:46,629 which really changed my life. 601 00:41:46,671 --> 00:41:50,174 And he would also introduce me to people like John Coltrane, 602 00:41:50,216 --> 00:41:51,843 which was way above my head, 603 00:41:51,884 --> 00:41:53,845 but I wanted to read what he read, 604 00:41:53,886 --> 00:41:56,347 and I wanted to listen to what he listened to, 605 00:41:56,389 --> 00:41:59,267 as one does with an older brother. 606 00:41:59,308 --> 00:42:03,896 I when you rock 'n' roll with me I 607 00:42:06,315 --> 00:42:11,070 I no one else I'd rather be I 608 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:18,786 I nobody here can do it for me... I 609 00:42:18,828 --> 00:42:20,955 David: I think Terry probably gave me a great... 610 00:42:20,997 --> 00:42:22,623 The greatest serviceable education 611 00:42:22,665 --> 00:42:24,459 I could ever have had. 612 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:27,879 I mean, he just introduced me to the outside things, 613 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,256 kinds of books, and kinds of music 614 00:42:30,298 --> 00:42:32,592 and attitudes that just weren't 615 00:42:32,633 --> 00:42:34,302 the currency in the area that I grew up. 616 00:42:35,887 --> 00:42:38,181 And then he would go away for long periods, 617 00:42:38,222 --> 00:42:41,392 and one period he went away and joined the raf. 618 00:42:43,269 --> 00:42:48,775 When he came back, he had very evident signs of schizophrenia, 619 00:42:48,816 --> 00:42:50,816 and he stayed in hospital for the rest of his life. 620 00:42:57,033 --> 00:43:01,746 I when you rock 'n' roll with me I 621 00:43:04,165 --> 00:43:08,586 I no one else I'd rather be I 622 00:43:11,422 --> 00:43:16,219 I nobody here can do it for me... I 623 00:43:18,179 --> 00:43:20,556 David: I think it made me worry about my own disposition, 624 00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:23,392 and whether I just had eccentric ideas, 625 00:43:23,434 --> 00:43:26,395 or whether I was heading somewhere else. 626 00:43:26,437 --> 00:43:32,068 I when you rock 'n' roll, rock 'n' roll with me I 627 00:43:33,611 --> 00:43:38,157 I no one else I'd rather, I'd rather be I 628 00:43:40,952 --> 00:43:45,414 I nobody down here can do it for me I 629 00:43:48,084 --> 00:43:49,836 I I'm in tears I 630 00:43:51,796 --> 00:43:53,089 I I'm in tears I 631 00:43:55,383 --> 00:44:00,763 I when you rock 'n' roll with me... I 632 00:44:03,141 --> 00:44:04,684 I oh yeah I 633 00:44:06,644 --> 00:44:09,647 I rock 'n' roll with me I 634 00:44:09,689 --> 00:44:11,566 I oh-hoo yeah. I 635 00:44:20,366 --> 00:44:22,010 Interviewer: I understand that you have a fear 636 00:44:22,034 --> 00:44:24,078 because there was mental illness in your family, 637 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,914 that you have a fear of mental illness. Is that true? 638 00:44:26,956 --> 00:44:30,126 David: Um, no, I developed a system against it. 639 00:44:30,168 --> 00:44:33,462 I think that probably became part of the therapy of art, 640 00:44:33,504 --> 00:44:36,007 and I was fortunate enough to be able to 641 00:44:36,048 --> 00:44:38,593 express any visions that I had in my head. 642 00:44:38,634 --> 00:44:40,154 - Interviewer: Yeah. - David: Very outwardly. 643 00:44:40,178 --> 00:44:42,722 David: Gradually learning to do without sleep. 644 00:44:45,683 --> 00:44:48,436 David: It's a labyrinthine existence that we live, 645 00:44:48,477 --> 00:44:51,355 and so it makes sense for me to put together 646 00:44:51,397 --> 00:44:52,940 elements in a song which 647 00:44:52,982 --> 00:44:54,942 wouldn't naturally be good bedfellows. 648 00:44:59,697 --> 00:45:02,158 I guess I'm trying to articulate... 649 00:45:04,327 --> 00:45:06,454 Those mysterious corners of the mind 650 00:45:06,495 --> 00:45:08,414 where there exist grains of truth 651 00:45:08,456 --> 00:45:10,333 that we don't often touch on, 652 00:45:10,374 --> 00:45:12,793 because we don't have the words to capture them. 653 00:45:15,087 --> 00:45:17,882 So, we'll write on three or four different subject matters, 654 00:45:17,924 --> 00:45:21,844 and then integrate them together by cutting them up. 655 00:45:21,886 --> 00:45:25,139 What I've used it for more than anything else 656 00:45:25,181 --> 00:45:29,977 is igniting anything that might be in my imagination. 657 00:45:30,019 --> 00:45:31,739 I've tried doing it with diaries and things, 658 00:45:31,771 --> 00:45:34,315 and I was finding out amazing things about me 659 00:45:34,357 --> 00:45:36,442 and what I'd done and where I was going. 660 00:45:37,985 --> 00:45:39,820 A lot of the things I had done, 661 00:45:39,862 --> 00:45:42,365 it seemed that it would predict things about the future 662 00:45:42,406 --> 00:45:45,368 and tell me a lot about the past. 663 00:45:45,409 --> 00:45:49,705 I suppose it's a very western tarot. I don't know. 664 00:45:49,747 --> 00:45:51,707 Obviously, one is trying to always 665 00:45:51,749 --> 00:45:53,751 reevaluate one's personality, 666 00:45:53,793 --> 00:45:56,462 and understand why one works. 667 00:45:58,464 --> 00:46:01,425 I think a lot of artists deal with loneliness and solitude. 668 00:46:03,594 --> 00:46:07,765 An artist does tend to examine the world 669 00:46:07,807 --> 00:46:09,642 through his relationship to it, 670 00:46:09,684 --> 00:46:11,519 and so that produces 671 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,604 a very introverted looking lot of work. 672 00:46:13,646 --> 00:46:16,607 I don't feel lonely. I apply that to my work. 673 00:46:16,649 --> 00:46:21,362 I sense a feeling of loneliness from my work when I look at it, 674 00:46:21,404 --> 00:46:24,657 but I don't feel like a solitary person myself, 675 00:46:24,699 --> 00:46:26,492 but it seems to show up in my work, 676 00:46:26,534 --> 00:46:28,786 and it's like taking a photograph 677 00:46:28,828 --> 00:46:30,746 and then developing the negative 678 00:46:30,788 --> 00:46:33,249 and seeing another person standing behind you. 679 00:46:33,291 --> 00:46:39,130 I who will love Aladdin sane I 680 00:46:39,171 --> 00:46:43,926 I battle cries and champagne just in time for sunrise I 681 00:46:43,968 --> 00:46:49,223 I who will love Aladdin sane I 682 00:46:51,684 --> 00:46:53,894 I motor sensational I 683 00:46:56,063 --> 00:46:58,607 I Paris or maybe hell I 684 00:46:58,649 --> 00:47:00,234 I I'm waiting I 685 00:47:00,276 --> 00:47:02,611 I clutches of sad remains I 686 00:47:04,572 --> 00:47:08,534 I waits for Aladdin sane you'll make it I 687 00:47:08,576 --> 00:47:14,790 I who will love Aladdin sane I 688 00:47:14,832 --> 00:47:18,419 I millions weep a fountain, just in case of sunrise... I 689 00:47:18,461 --> 00:47:19,795 interviewer: With your background, 690 00:47:19,837 --> 00:47:23,507 why were you intrigued by all this? 691 00:47:23,549 --> 00:47:27,470 David: Um, it was... I mean, 692 00:47:27,511 --> 00:47:29,722 it filled a vast expanse of my imagination. 693 00:47:29,764 --> 00:47:31,223 I was always pretty imaginative. 694 00:47:33,476 --> 00:47:36,270 And the imagination can dry up in 695 00:47:36,312 --> 00:47:38,522 wherever you're living in england, often. 696 00:47:38,564 --> 00:47:40,816 I mean, if there's nothing to keep it going. 697 00:47:40,858 --> 00:47:42,777 It just supplied a need in me. 698 00:47:44,278 --> 00:47:46,697 American became a myth-land for me. 699 00:47:52,912 --> 00:47:55,664 David: We're not stopped. Is there anything behind us? 700 00:48:01,045 --> 00:48:02,630 Interviewer: Let's go with him now live, 701 00:48:02,671 --> 00:48:04,256 by satellite, 702 00:48:04,298 --> 00:48:06,884 to beautiful downtown Burbank in Los Angeles. 703 00:48:09,011 --> 00:48:10,113 Audience member: Is it true that you're gonna be 704 00:48:10,137 --> 00:48:11,305 teaming up with... 705 00:48:12,515 --> 00:48:14,392 Every Avenue. 706 00:48:14,433 --> 00:48:17,186 It's very calm, and it's a kind of a superficial calmness 707 00:48:17,228 --> 00:48:19,331 that they've developed to underplay the fact that it's... 708 00:48:19,355 --> 00:48:22,233 There's a lot of high pressure here, 709 00:48:22,274 --> 00:48:24,114 as it's a very big entertainment industry area. 710 00:48:25,903 --> 00:48:28,614 And you get this feeling of unease with everybody. 711 00:48:28,656 --> 00:48:30,032 It's a very big entertainment area. 712 00:48:30,074 --> 00:48:31,534 David: The first time that it really 713 00:48:31,575 --> 00:48:34,036 came home to me what a strange... 714 00:48:36,038 --> 00:48:39,917 About the churches designed by an architect... 715 00:48:39,959 --> 00:48:41,710 David: Arthur, would you please slow down? 716 00:48:43,421 --> 00:48:45,023 Interviewer: We're bouncing backwards and forwards 717 00:48:45,047 --> 00:48:46,465 on the satellite at the moment. 718 00:48:46,507 --> 00:48:49,427 I mean, our sound is bouncing around. 719 00:48:49,468 --> 00:48:50,636 Yes, I can see it. 720 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,223 It'll be all right in a minute. 721 00:49:00,187 --> 00:49:01,507 Interviewer: Are you there, David? 722 00:49:02,606 --> 00:49:03,816 Are you there, David? 723 00:49:03,858 --> 00:49:05,734 Bedroom in the sky. 724 00:49:05,776 --> 00:49:07,496 Interviewer: Are you there, Mr. David bowie? 725 00:49:16,829 --> 00:49:19,874 David: I think that I felt often, 726 00:49:19,915 --> 00:49:24,378 ever since I was a teenager, 727 00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:29,592 um, so adrift, and so not part of everyone I saw. 728 00:49:30,801 --> 00:49:32,470 There's so many dark secrets 729 00:49:32,511 --> 00:49:33,888 about my family in the cupboard 730 00:49:33,929 --> 00:49:36,682 that it kind of made me feel 731 00:49:36,724 --> 00:49:39,143 very much on the outside of everything, 732 00:49:39,185 --> 00:49:44,607 and because of that, I felt there was no basis to my life, 733 00:49:44,648 --> 00:49:46,609 like everybody else seemed to have. 734 00:49:48,152 --> 00:49:50,529 Which of course is ridiculous. 735 00:49:50,571 --> 00:49:53,240 Probably, I would do things to prove that 736 00:49:53,282 --> 00:49:56,118 I had some emotional substance... 737 00:49:57,495 --> 00:49:58,996 When in fact I didn't. 738 00:50:39,995 --> 00:50:42,957 David: Thematically, I've always dealt with isolation 739 00:50:42,998 --> 00:50:44,792 in everything I've written, I think. 740 00:50:44,833 --> 00:50:47,044 Interviewer: If you're interested in isolation, 741 00:50:47,086 --> 00:50:49,922 is it because you think that a person in an isolated state 742 00:50:49,964 --> 00:50:53,092 feel greater emotions than they do 743 00:50:53,133 --> 00:50:55,928 when they're surrounded by people and things? 744 00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:58,722 David: I think if he is in isolation, 745 00:50:58,764 --> 00:51:03,352 instead of receiving the whole world as his home, 746 00:51:03,394 --> 00:51:06,522 he tends to create a micro-world inside himself. 747 00:51:06,564 --> 00:51:10,317 Um, and it's that peculiar part of the human mind 748 00:51:10,359 --> 00:51:12,778 that fascinates me about the small universes 749 00:51:12,820 --> 00:51:15,823 that can be created inside the mind. 750 00:51:15,864 --> 00:51:18,242 Some of them fairly schizophrenic 751 00:51:18,284 --> 00:51:19,368 and quite off the wall. 752 00:51:22,788 --> 00:51:25,624 It feels now that I don't come from anywhere, 753 00:51:25,666 --> 00:51:28,877 but I was born in Brixton. 754 00:51:28,919 --> 00:51:30,355 Interviewer: When were you born? What year? 755 00:51:30,379 --> 00:51:33,507 David: 1947. January the eighth. 756 00:51:33,549 --> 00:51:36,635 Makes me a capricorn with an aquarius ascendant 757 00:51:36,677 --> 00:51:38,637 and a Leo descendant. 758 00:51:41,932 --> 00:51:43,535 Interviewer: How much now is left of the lad 759 00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:45,144 from Brixton, do you think? 760 00:51:45,185 --> 00:51:46,329 David: Not very much, I would think. 761 00:51:46,353 --> 00:51:48,272 I know, you know. 762 00:51:48,314 --> 00:51:52,192 I never got... I never became who I should have been. 763 00:51:52,234 --> 00:51:54,194 I've spent an awful lot of my life 764 00:51:54,236 --> 00:51:56,739 actually looking for myself, you know? 765 00:51:56,780 --> 00:52:00,743 And understanding what it was that i-why-what I existed for. 766 00:52:00,784 --> 00:52:02,584 What was it that really made me happy in life? 767 00:52:03,787 --> 00:52:05,873 And who exactly, or was... 768 00:52:05,914 --> 00:52:08,034 Who are the parts of myself I was trying to hide from? 769 00:52:10,628 --> 00:52:13,756 I think a lot of us have huge senses of denial 770 00:52:13,797 --> 00:52:15,966 about who we are and where we exist in the world 771 00:52:18,469 --> 00:52:20,012 I really wanted to sort of, you know, 772 00:52:20,054 --> 00:52:21,654 be very emotionally involved with people. 773 00:52:22,681 --> 00:52:24,266 I didn't know how to do it. 774 00:52:24,308 --> 00:52:25,809 You know, my parents were like that, 775 00:52:25,851 --> 00:52:27,519 and I guess you kind of, as they say, 776 00:52:28,979 --> 00:52:30,981 they pass on a lot of faults. 777 00:52:35,152 --> 00:52:36,832 Dick: What do your parents do for a living? 778 00:52:36,862 --> 00:52:41,241 My father's dead, and my mother has a small flat, 779 00:52:41,283 --> 00:52:44,578 and I think she's got a dayjob. 780 00:52:44,620 --> 00:52:46,264 Dick: Does she have trouble explaining you to the neighbors 781 00:52:46,288 --> 00:52:48,540 who say, "are you any relation to that..." 782 00:52:48,582 --> 00:52:50,584 David: I think she pretends I'm not hers. 783 00:52:52,294 --> 00:52:54,505 Nah, she's uh, she doesn't talk much. 784 00:52:54,546 --> 00:52:57,716 You know, she doesn't, um, I don't think we really... 785 00:52:57,758 --> 00:52:59,510 We were never that close particularly. 786 00:52:59,551 --> 00:53:00,969 We have an understanding. 787 00:53:01,011 --> 00:53:02,012 Dick: Yeah. 788 00:53:05,766 --> 00:53:07,810 Interviewer: Was it a happy marriage? 789 00:53:07,851 --> 00:53:10,437 Not necessarily terribly loving or anything, 790 00:53:10,479 --> 00:53:12,981 in terms of no real physical affection, 791 00:53:14,858 --> 00:53:17,403 or even they didn't really articulate 792 00:53:17,444 --> 00:53:18,570 any love for each other. 793 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,539 There's an awful lot of emotional/spiritual mutilation 794 00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:30,207 goes on in my family. 795 00:53:35,379 --> 00:53:38,507 Interviewer: Did you like any of the traditional people 796 00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:40,592 that you're supposed to like? 797 00:53:40,634 --> 00:53:42,219 Like, did you like winnie the pooh? 798 00:53:42,261 --> 00:53:43,512 David: No. No. 799 00:53:43,554 --> 00:53:45,055 Interviewer: Rupert bear? 800 00:53:45,097 --> 00:53:46,657 David: No. No I didn't. I didn't like... 801 00:53:46,682 --> 00:53:48,225 Interviewer: Did you have a Teddy bear? 802 00:53:48,267 --> 00:53:50,227 David: No, I didn't. I don't think... 803 00:53:53,397 --> 00:53:56,191 I can't remember having anything like that at all. 804 00:53:56,233 --> 00:53:59,194 No, I never liked, um, children's things very much. 805 00:54:24,595 --> 00:54:26,156 Interviewer: You know, since you've been away, 806 00:54:26,180 --> 00:54:27,931 or quite recently, the newspapers 807 00:54:27,973 --> 00:54:30,225 having been having a bit of a bash at your mother? 808 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,231 And saying that she's a bit tearful from time to time. 809 00:54:36,273 --> 00:54:39,526 And that she's suffered a certain amount of anguish, 810 00:54:39,568 --> 00:54:41,695 and that she doesn't hear from you an awful lot. 811 00:54:41,737 --> 00:54:43,906 Is that eyewash or is it real? 812 00:54:49,161 --> 00:54:50,704 David: There's some kind of traumatism 813 00:54:50,746 --> 00:54:53,248 often goes on in our childhoods I think. 814 00:54:53,290 --> 00:54:55,417 I think, that are... 815 00:54:55,459 --> 00:54:57,353 Makes us crave some kind of strange affection, you know? 816 00:54:57,377 --> 00:54:58,712 It's sort of an... 817 00:54:58,754 --> 00:55:00,380 Often you'll find that the person 818 00:55:00,422 --> 00:55:02,382 who craves a lot of affection 819 00:55:02,424 --> 00:55:04,426 actually isn't terribly good at giving it. 820 00:55:07,971 --> 00:55:11,058 Interviewer: Does that mean you have to separate yourself 821 00:55:11,099 --> 00:55:14,186 quite a lot from, say, falling in love 822 00:55:14,228 --> 00:55:16,688 and getting very involved with a person? 823 00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:20,275 Um, oh no, I think, no. 824 00:55:20,317 --> 00:55:21,693 I think quite the reverse. 825 00:55:21,735 --> 00:55:23,821 Interviewer: But, love, falling in love, 826 00:55:23,862 --> 00:55:26,990 is different from then going on to love that person. 827 00:55:27,032 --> 00:55:28,325 Yes, it is. Yes. 828 00:55:28,367 --> 00:55:30,536 And once you've loved somebody a lot, 829 00:55:30,577 --> 00:55:32,430 it means that you've got to share your life with them. 830 00:55:32,454 --> 00:55:34,307 - That's what I really... - David: No, I don't think so. 831 00:55:34,331 --> 00:55:36,834 I think you can love somebody from afar. 832 00:55:36,875 --> 00:55:39,461 But if you then decided not to love them from afar, 833 00:55:39,503 --> 00:55:42,005 you as an artist would have to give up 834 00:55:42,047 --> 00:55:43,841 quite a lot of your time to them. 835 00:55:43,882 --> 00:55:45,259 Yes, and I can't do that. 836 00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:46,694 Interviewer: That's what I was wondering, 837 00:55:46,718 --> 00:55:48,303 whether you did... Whether you did that. 838 00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:49,989 David: No, no, no, love can't get quite in my way, 839 00:55:50,013 --> 00:55:54,017 because I feel... I shelter myself from it incredibly. 840 00:55:56,019 --> 00:56:01,066 Interviewer: Do you feel removed from the body and the feel 841 00:56:01,108 --> 00:56:03,902 that you create on the planet? 842 00:56:03,944 --> 00:56:06,113 David: Until I'm performing or writing 843 00:56:06,154 --> 00:56:08,824 I mainly feel pretty much of an empty vessel. 844 00:56:10,409 --> 00:56:11,761 Interviewer: When you're performing and writing, 845 00:56:11,785 --> 00:56:13,203 you're fulfilled? 846 00:56:13,245 --> 00:56:16,081 David: I don't particularly feel... 847 00:56:16,123 --> 00:56:19,668 I ground control to major Tom I 848 00:56:23,130 --> 00:56:26,383 I ground control to major Tom I 849 00:56:30,512 --> 00:56:35,350 I take your protein pills and put your helmet on I 850 00:56:37,436 --> 00:56:40,522 I ground control to major Tom I 851 00:56:44,526 --> 00:56:48,071 I commencing countdown, engines on I 852 00:56:51,783 --> 00:56:53,660 I check ignition I 853 00:56:53,702 --> 00:56:58,373 I and may god's love be with you I 854 00:57:09,092 --> 00:57:12,763 I this is ground control to major Tom I 855 00:57:14,014 --> 00:57:16,850 I you've really made the grade I 856 00:57:18,810 --> 00:57:21,897 I and the papers want to know I 857 00:57:21,939 --> 00:57:24,274 I whose shirts you wear I 858 00:57:25,943 --> 00:57:29,279 I now it's time to leave the capsule I 859 00:57:29,321 --> 00:57:31,907 I if you dare I 860 00:57:33,909 --> 00:57:38,664 I this is major Tom to ground control I 861 00:57:38,705 --> 00:57:41,792 I I'm stepping through the door I 862 00:57:43,669 --> 00:57:48,298 I and I'm floating in a most peculiar way I 863 00:57:50,842 --> 00:57:55,389 I and the stars look very different today I 864 00:57:58,141 --> 00:58:01,144 I for here I 865 00:58:01,186 --> 00:58:03,981 iam I sitting in my tin can I 866 00:58:05,691 --> 00:58:10,112 I far above the world I 867 00:58:12,739 --> 00:58:15,575 I planet earth is blue I 868 00:58:15,617 --> 00:58:19,579 I and there's nothing I can do I 869 00:59:43,914 --> 00:59:45,707 David: Well, an awful lot of changes 870 00:59:45,749 --> 00:59:47,375 with my musical career 871 00:59:47,417 --> 00:59:49,669 were challenges to myself. 872 00:59:49,711 --> 00:59:52,631 I have to feel that I'm stepping on new ground, 873 00:59:52,672 --> 00:59:55,133 that the ice beneath my feet is very thin. 874 00:59:55,175 --> 00:59:56,635 Any second, I could crack it 875 00:59:56,676 --> 00:59:58,095 and just plunge through and drown. 876 00:59:59,888 --> 01:00:02,349 I got to a point in Los Angeles 877 01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:05,018 where I got very tired with my method of writing, 878 01:00:05,060 --> 01:00:08,105 and I wanted to invent a new musical language. 879 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,400 I knew I had to get to an environment 880 01:00:12,442 --> 01:00:14,820 that was totally different to Los Angeles. 881 01:00:14,861 --> 01:00:16,988 So I thought of the most arduous city 882 01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:19,491 that I could think of, and it was west Berlin. 883 01:00:19,533 --> 01:00:22,786 They don't give an fa about who you are in Berlin. 884 01:00:22,828 --> 01:00:25,247 The trappings of rock and roll don't mean anything to them. 885 01:00:25,288 --> 01:00:26,957 So, I could walk around, buy me own food, 886 01:00:26,998 --> 01:00:29,251 and just lease a small apartment, 887 01:00:29,292 --> 01:00:31,628 which I did above an automobile spare parts shop. 888 01:00:41,930 --> 01:00:45,767 I didn't have the necessary verbal equipment 889 01:00:45,809 --> 01:00:47,894 to describe what I was seeing, 890 01:00:47,936 --> 01:00:49,376 and that's where I needed assistance. 891 01:01:00,365 --> 01:01:01,992 So, I contacted Brian eno, 892 01:01:02,033 --> 01:01:04,536 who is definitely one of the keenest brains 893 01:01:04,578 --> 01:01:06,454 of modern music, and I said, 894 01:01:06,496 --> 01:01:09,332 "look, Brian, I need to know some new processes, 895 01:01:09,374 --> 01:01:11,042 "and new methods of writing. 896 01:01:11,084 --> 01:01:12,961 Please help me, otherwise I'm packing it in." 897 01:01:14,588 --> 01:01:16,464 We started working on a series 898 01:01:16,506 --> 01:01:19,467 of processes and methods of writing in the studio in Berlin 899 01:01:19,509 --> 01:01:22,053 to invent, a different kind of linguistics to work with. 900 01:01:39,988 --> 01:01:41,781 Most of the things that I do these days, 901 01:01:41,823 --> 01:01:44,159 I go in with very little preparation. 902 01:01:44,201 --> 01:01:46,703 There's no governor, no controller. 903 01:01:46,745 --> 01:01:49,539 Every track is written with a different process, 904 01:01:49,581 --> 01:01:51,750 from spontaneous singing, 905 01:01:51,791 --> 01:01:53,019 I didn't know what I was gonna sing, 906 01:01:53,043 --> 01:01:54,628 or how I was gonna sing it, 907 01:01:54,669 --> 01:01:56,254 and I just stood in front of the mic, 908 01:01:56,296 --> 01:01:58,840 right down to fragmented, pre-thought, 909 01:01:58,882 --> 01:02:01,676 analyzed and processed writings of burroughs' school. 910 01:02:03,970 --> 01:02:05,889 It probably touches areas of emotion 911 01:02:05,931 --> 01:02:07,766 that aren't normally dwelt upon 912 01:02:07,807 --> 01:02:09,643 because they're arrived at other than 913 01:02:09,684 --> 01:02:11,937 by the regular channels of emotive thought. 914 01:02:30,956 --> 01:02:33,291 I blue, blue, electric blue I 915 01:02:33,333 --> 01:02:35,418 I that's the color of my living room I 916 01:02:35,460 --> 01:02:36,586 I where I will live I 917 01:02:39,381 --> 01:02:40,632 I blue, blue I 918 01:02:44,511 --> 01:02:46,680 I pale blinds drawn all day I 919 01:02:46,721 --> 01:02:48,598 I nothing to read and nothing to say I 920 01:02:52,769 --> 01:02:54,020 I blue, blue pale blinds I 921 01:02:57,899 --> 01:03:00,235 I I will dream of other lands I 922 01:03:00,277 --> 01:03:02,821 I waiting for the gift of sound and vision I 923 01:03:04,572 --> 01:03:06,372 David: Most of the things that I do these days 924 01:03:06,408 --> 01:03:08,994 are on the occasion of the studio. 925 01:03:09,035 --> 01:03:11,579 I go in with very little preparation, 926 01:03:11,621 --> 01:03:13,373 just throw ideas out, 927 01:03:13,415 --> 01:03:16,126 and you might make little experiments sort of say, 928 01:03:16,167 --> 01:03:17,711 look here's 50 seconds. 929 01:03:17,752 --> 01:03:20,338 Play 10 notes on that 50 seconds 930 01:03:20,380 --> 01:03:22,132 and don't repeat the same note twice. 931 01:03:27,929 --> 01:03:30,098 Now, that sounds like an awful easy thing to do. 932 01:03:30,140 --> 01:03:31,975 Well, it is. 933 01:03:32,017 --> 01:03:33,560 See, you must understand, 934 01:03:33,601 --> 01:03:35,270 I mean, it sounds incredibly indulgent, 935 01:03:35,312 --> 01:03:39,107 and indeed it is because what I'm trying to do 936 01:03:39,149 --> 01:03:42,527 is mold the traditional methods of rock and roll... 937 01:03:44,029 --> 01:03:45,363 With newer processes. 938 01:03:47,324 --> 01:03:51,036 Trying to find a new form of language. 939 01:03:51,077 --> 01:03:52,513 Interviewer: Do you think you have influence 940 01:03:52,537 --> 01:03:53,955 on their thinking, though? 941 01:03:53,997 --> 01:03:55,874 David: No. 942 01:03:55,915 --> 01:03:58,084 And that's what I'm trying to do with the new music, 943 01:03:58,126 --> 01:04:01,129 is find a new language which doesn't... it isn't that... 944 01:04:01,171 --> 01:04:03,631 Doesn't have that kind of image influence. 945 01:04:06,426 --> 01:04:08,362 Interviewer: Do you think people will understand that language? 946 01:04:08,386 --> 01:04:10,221 David: Yes. 947 01:04:10,263 --> 01:04:12,116 Because I think people, especially in the city context, 948 01:04:12,140 --> 01:04:13,725 think in fragments. 949 01:04:13,767 --> 01:04:16,519 The city person will see a milk advert on the street, 950 01:04:16,561 --> 01:04:18,229 and be thinking "milk, what's gonna... 951 01:04:18,271 --> 01:04:19,582 "What are we gonna have for dinner? 952 01:04:19,606 --> 01:04:21,274 "Boy getting knocked down by a bus, 953 01:04:21,316 --> 01:04:23,568 crashed against a wall..." That kind of thing. 954 01:04:23,610 --> 01:04:25,278 So, he's thinking in terms of, 955 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,823 maybe 1,000 different images at any given time. 956 01:04:28,865 --> 01:04:32,535 And the language that Brian and I are sort of producing 957 01:04:32,577 --> 01:04:35,330 is a language that can relate to that way of thinking. 958 01:04:46,299 --> 01:04:50,178 David: We live within this manifested idea 959 01:04:50,220 --> 01:04:52,013 of what should be form, 960 01:04:52,055 --> 01:04:55,767 and what we try and keep out of our existence is chaos, 961 01:04:55,809 --> 01:04:58,978 which is a very real part of our lives, 962 01:04:59,020 --> 01:05:01,773 and our refusal to accept chaos 963 01:05:01,815 --> 01:05:03,900 as being integral to our existence, 964 01:05:03,942 --> 01:05:06,403 I think, has been one of the greatest mistakes 965 01:05:06,444 --> 01:05:08,780 as a civilization that we've made. 966 01:05:10,573 --> 01:05:11,991 David: My work as an artist 967 01:05:12,033 --> 01:05:13,513 has always been to do with transition. 968 01:05:14,619 --> 01:05:16,871 The nature and study of change 969 01:05:16,913 --> 01:05:19,457 in our particular era is most important 970 01:05:19,499 --> 01:05:21,126 because never in our history 971 01:05:21,167 --> 01:05:24,170 has there been such a rapid curve of change 972 01:05:24,212 --> 01:05:25,839 since the industrial revolution. 973 01:05:27,215 --> 01:05:29,175 I'm a fairly good social observer, 974 01:05:29,217 --> 01:05:32,178 and I think that I encapsulate areas 975 01:05:32,220 --> 01:05:35,098 every, maybe every year or so, 976 01:05:35,140 --> 01:05:38,059 I tried to stamp that down somewhere, 977 01:05:38,101 --> 01:05:41,062 what that year is all about. 978 01:05:41,104 --> 01:05:42,480 Rather than what it was all about, 979 01:05:42,522 --> 01:05:44,566 or what it's going to be. 980 01:05:44,607 --> 01:05:47,277 It's very much trying to capture 981 01:05:47,318 --> 01:05:49,737 the quintessence of that year. 982 01:06:03,918 --> 01:06:05,354 Interviewer: I notice that the music now 983 01:06:05,378 --> 01:06:07,088 is more... more daring, 984 01:06:07,130 --> 01:06:09,257 more adventurous, more fractured. 985 01:06:09,299 --> 01:06:10,985 Is there a danger that by following your instinct, 986 01:06:11,009 --> 01:06:12,260 your aesthetic instincts, 987 01:06:12,302 --> 01:06:13,446 if you like, your artistic instinct, 988 01:06:13,470 --> 01:06:16,681 that you will jeopardize that? 989 01:06:16,723 --> 01:06:18,242 You know, the money and the good life and all... 990 01:06:18,266 --> 01:06:19,559 No shit, Sherlock. 991 01:06:21,561 --> 01:06:24,481 Yes, I think I... yes, I think I rather sort of hit that one 992 01:06:24,522 --> 01:06:25,815 in the head at the moment. 993 01:06:25,857 --> 01:06:30,570 Um, and it's quite a relief, really. 994 01:06:30,612 --> 01:06:36,159 I feel a lot more, um, free than what I do. 995 01:06:36,201 --> 01:06:39,204 I just needed, it just needed a positive decision 996 01:06:39,245 --> 01:06:41,039 to only do what I want to do, 997 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:42,680 and not do things for the sake of what... 998 01:06:44,667 --> 01:06:48,171 Either David bowie or whoever I was playing last time, 999 01:06:48,213 --> 01:06:50,465 thin white Duke or something, was expected to do. 1000 01:06:54,886 --> 01:06:56,387 David: I went naked in Berlin. 1001 01:06:56,429 --> 01:06:59,557 I really did try and strip down my life 1002 01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:02,685 to what I believed to be absolute basic essentials 1003 01:07:02,727 --> 01:07:04,479 so I could build up again 1004 01:07:04,521 --> 01:07:07,565 everything that I thought that I'd lost, you know? 1005 01:07:07,607 --> 01:07:09,275 I guess I was... What I was really doing 1006 01:07:09,317 --> 01:07:11,486 was doing that on an emotional and spiritual level, 1007 01:07:11,528 --> 01:07:14,155 but you manifest it physically. 1008 01:07:14,197 --> 01:07:16,616 The surprising thing is, is that we came up... 1009 01:07:16,658 --> 01:07:18,826 We thought we were just going to be into a process 1010 01:07:18,868 --> 01:07:20,620 of discovery and experiment 1011 01:07:20,662 --> 01:07:22,723 and had some pretty wishy-washy stuff come out of it, 1012 01:07:22,747 --> 01:07:26,709 but what did come out of it was a pretty good statement 1013 01:07:26,751 --> 01:07:30,296 of some esoteric nature. 1014 01:07:30,338 --> 01:07:32,549 It was a bit hard to put one's finger 1015 01:07:32,590 --> 01:07:34,092 on exactly what the information was, 1016 01:07:34,133 --> 01:07:36,594 but it was vital, and it was interesting, 1017 01:07:36,636 --> 01:07:38,096 and I think that's successful music. 1018 01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:01,911 I I, I will be king I 1019 01:08:05,790 --> 01:08:10,753 j'and you, you will be my queen I 1020 01:08:14,882 --> 01:08:20,263 I though nothing can keep us together I 1021 01:08:23,808 --> 01:08:29,314 I we can beat them, forever and ever I 1022 01:08:32,108 --> 01:08:38,239 I we could be heroes just for one day I 1023 01:08:42,035 --> 01:08:46,706 I you, you can be me I 1024 01:08:50,918 --> 01:08:55,673 iand I, I'll drink all the time I 1025 01:08:59,427 --> 01:09:04,807 I 'cause we're lovers, and that is the fact I 1026 01:09:08,394 --> 01:09:13,608 I yes we're lovers, and that is that I 1027 01:09:17,779 --> 01:09:22,700 I though nothing will keep us together I 1028 01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:31,250 I we can beat them forever and ever I 1029 01:09:34,128 --> 01:09:39,759 I and we can be heroes just for one day I 1030 01:10:00,238 --> 01:10:04,951 I I, well I wish I could swim I 1031 01:10:08,371 --> 01:10:13,459 I like dolphins, like dolphins can swim I 1032 01:10:16,713 --> 01:10:22,343 I though nothing, can drive them away I 1033 01:10:24,721 --> 01:10:30,059 I we can beat them forever and ever I 1034 01:10:32,687 --> 01:10:38,276 I oh, we can be heroes just for one day I 1035 01:10:40,111 --> 01:10:41,320 I what you say? I 1036 01:10:58,629 --> 01:11:04,510 I I, I can remember I 1037 01:11:04,552 --> 01:11:05,552 band: I I remember I 1038 01:11:06,846 --> 01:11:11,934 David: J“ standing by the wall I 1039 01:11:11,976 --> 01:11:14,979 band: I by the wall I 1040 01:11:15,021 --> 01:11:20,651 David: I and the guns shot above our heads I 1041 01:11:20,693 --> 01:11:23,029 band: J' over our heads I 1042 01:11:23,070 --> 01:11:28,743 David: I and we kissed as though nothing could fall I 1043 01:11:28,785 --> 01:11:31,078 band: I nothing could fall I 1044 01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:36,626 David: I and nothing and no one will help us I 1045 01:11:38,836 --> 01:11:40,755 I maybe we're lying I 1046 01:11:42,632 --> 01:11:44,342 I then you better not stay I 1047 01:11:47,094 --> 01:11:52,350 I we can be safer just for one day I 1048 01:11:58,856 --> 01:12:01,776 I oh-oh-oh-oh I 1049 01:12:06,989 --> 01:12:10,993 I oh-oh-oh-oh I 1050 01:12:11,035 --> 01:12:13,579 I we can be heroes I 1051 01:12:14,997 --> 01:12:18,960 I oh-oh-oh-oh I 1052 01:12:19,001 --> 01:12:21,003 I just for one day I 1053 01:12:22,964 --> 01:12:26,884 I oh-oh-oh-oh I 1054 01:12:26,926 --> 01:12:32,014 I just for one day. I 1055 01:12:41,607 --> 01:12:44,360 Reporter: Today, David bowie is 33 years old. 1056 01:12:44,402 --> 01:12:47,071 He has recorded 17 rock albums, 1057 01:12:47,113 --> 01:12:49,073 produced a gallery full of paintings, 1058 01:12:49,115 --> 01:12:51,200 acted in two feature films, 1059 01:12:51,242 --> 01:12:53,119 and is the only rock star 1060 01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,746 ever to act in a play on Broadway. 1061 01:12:55,788 --> 01:12:58,583 Bowie never seems to stand still. 1062 01:12:58,624 --> 01:12:59,810 When he no longer feels challenged 1063 01:12:59,834 --> 01:13:01,627 by one art form, 1064 01:13:01,669 --> 01:13:04,672 he moves on to the next, and the next, and the next. 1065 01:13:04,714 --> 01:13:06,883 It's as if David bowie learned to run 1066 01:13:06,924 --> 01:13:08,134 before he learned to walk. 1067 01:13:14,891 --> 01:13:16,767 I I'm home I 1068 01:13:16,809 --> 01:13:18,603 I lost my job... I 1069 01:13:18,644 --> 01:13:20,247 David: You know, I've got a grasshopper sort of mind, 1070 01:13:20,271 --> 01:13:22,064 and I can't resist bringing things 1071 01:13:22,106 --> 01:13:24,650 to a conclusion like saying, "well that's a piece in itself, 1072 01:13:24,692 --> 01:13:26,132 and now I move on to something else." 1073 01:13:30,281 --> 01:13:31,758 Interviewer: You described yourself as a generalist. 1074 01:13:31,782 --> 01:13:33,200 - Is that... - David: Yeah. 1075 01:13:33,242 --> 01:13:35,202 That's a freedom... Giving umbrella. 1076 01:13:35,244 --> 01:13:37,163 It gives me a chance 1077 01:13:37,204 --> 01:13:39,290 to do anything I want successfully 1078 01:13:39,332 --> 01:13:41,083 or unsuccessfully, without being tied down. 1079 01:13:44,629 --> 01:13:47,089 I want... I'm a generalist, 1080 01:13:47,131 --> 01:13:51,010 is really sort of my cliche way describing myself. 1081 01:13:51,052 --> 01:13:52,637 David: David bowie. Rank and file. 1082 01:13:53,930 --> 01:13:55,431 33 years old. 1083 01:13:55,473 --> 01:13:56,682 Generalist. 1084 01:13:56,724 --> 01:13:58,059 Announcer: Unlike most rock stars 1085 01:13:58,100 --> 01:13:59,685 who stick to a successful formula 1086 01:13:59,727 --> 01:14:01,979 when they get it, bowie, when he does, 1087 01:14:02,021 --> 01:14:07,234 deliberately changes direction, and puts on yet another face. 1088 01:14:07,276 --> 01:14:11,864 I believing me I 1089 01:14:13,783 --> 01:14:17,495 David: I really sort of go in just pure, barbaric impetus. 1090 01:14:18,913 --> 01:14:21,499 I do get fired up for something 1091 01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:25,419 and it's not all cerebral at all, by any means. 1092 01:14:25,461 --> 01:14:27,046 A lot of it is pure instinct, 1093 01:14:27,088 --> 01:14:29,131 and knowing that I've found something 1094 01:14:29,173 --> 01:14:31,342 that I haven't found before. 1095 01:14:31,384 --> 01:14:37,056 Sometimes I think my head is so big 1096 01:14:37,098 --> 01:14:40,643 because it is so full of themes. 1097 01:14:42,937 --> 01:14:47,149 I I am a d.J., I am what I play I 1098 01:14:47,191 --> 01:14:48,776 I can't turn around no I 1099 01:14:48,818 --> 01:14:51,362 I can't turn around, no, oh, ooh I 1100 01:14:51,404 --> 01:14:55,825 I I am a d.J. I am what I say I 1101 01:14:55,866 --> 01:15:00,037 I can't turn around no, can't turn around, no, oh no I 1102 01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:04,083 I I am a d.J., I am what I play I 1103 01:15:04,125 --> 01:15:06,877 I I've got believers I 1104 01:15:06,919 --> 01:15:10,923 I believing me, oh... I 1105 01:15:10,965 --> 01:15:12,275 interviewer: What are you gonna do now? 1106 01:15:12,299 --> 01:15:13,527 Are you going back home to bed? 1107 01:15:13,551 --> 01:15:15,261 David: Yes. Well, I don't know. 1108 01:15:15,302 --> 01:15:17,805 A bit in the mood to probably do a little writing 1109 01:15:17,847 --> 01:15:20,016 or painting or something. 1110 01:15:20,057 --> 01:15:22,018 Interviewer: You're painting in large canvases? 1111 01:15:22,059 --> 01:15:23,394 Or small canvases? Or drawings? 1112 01:15:23,436 --> 01:15:25,521 David: Yes. Quire large, acrylics. 1113 01:15:25,563 --> 01:15:27,606 I'm doing a lot of sculptures as well. 1114 01:15:27,648 --> 01:15:31,944 A sort of polythene and essential functional things. 1115 01:15:33,529 --> 01:15:35,740 Interviewer: Why are you creative, David? 1116 01:15:35,781 --> 01:15:38,034 David: I think it has something to do 1117 01:15:38,075 --> 01:15:43,039 with wanting to find the place where I can kind of set sail 1118 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:46,125 and know that I won't really fall off the edge of the world 1119 01:15:46,167 --> 01:15:47,668 when I get to the end of the sea. 1120 01:15:47,710 --> 01:15:51,422 I find it an intoxicating parallel 1121 01:15:51,464 --> 01:15:53,591 to my perceived reality. 1122 01:16:14,028 --> 01:16:16,072 I'm not sure that I'm manifesting ideas 1123 01:16:16,113 --> 01:16:17,782 when I do my work. 1124 01:16:17,823 --> 01:16:20,826 It's just this inexhaustible supply 1125 01:16:20,868 --> 01:16:24,830 of extracurricular thoughts 1126 01:16:24,872 --> 01:16:26,499 that I have that don't actually apply 1127 01:16:26,540 --> 01:16:28,084 to the survival of life, 1128 01:16:28,125 --> 01:16:29,919 and I'm not quite sure what to do with them. 1129 01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:34,048 I he used to be my boss and now he is a puppet dancer I 1130 01:16:34,090 --> 01:16:38,469 I I am the d.J., and I've got believers I 1131 01:16:40,513 --> 01:16:43,140 I I got believers I 1132 01:16:44,683 --> 01:16:47,436 I I got believers I 1133 01:16:49,063 --> 01:16:53,943 I I got believers, believing me... I 1134 01:17:00,866 --> 01:17:02,618 David: So rather than be pinned down, 1135 01:17:02,660 --> 01:17:05,871 my momentum was to hit and run very fast. 1136 01:17:05,913 --> 01:17:07,289 Once I'd done something, 1137 01:17:07,331 --> 01:17:09,250 and said it, drop it and move on. 1138 01:17:28,352 --> 01:17:31,188 David: I feel quite at home in just about anywhere now, 1139 01:17:31,230 --> 01:17:32,898 on a temporary basis. 1140 01:17:32,940 --> 01:17:35,901 Interviewer: Where do you spend most of your time? 1141 01:17:35,943 --> 01:17:37,462 David: Again, what is "most of one's time"? 1142 01:17:37,486 --> 01:17:39,947 Over the last year, it's been London, 1143 01:17:39,989 --> 01:17:43,701 New York, south pacific, Australia, Africa... 1144 01:17:43,742 --> 01:17:45,369 The nature of my life 1145 01:17:45,411 --> 01:17:48,455 is one of an old-fashioned beatnik traveler, 1146 01:17:48,497 --> 01:17:50,499 and more than anything else, 1147 01:17:50,541 --> 01:17:54,211 I spend very little time in musical circles. 1148 01:17:54,253 --> 01:17:57,715 I spend more time discovering the social life 1149 01:17:57,756 --> 01:17:59,884 of rather obscure places. 1150 01:18:01,594 --> 01:18:07,266 I "I'm happy, hope you're happy too I 1151 01:18:07,308 --> 01:18:10,436 I I've loved all I've needed, love I 1152 01:18:10,477 --> 01:18:14,315 aj' sordid details following" I 1153 01:18:14,356 --> 01:18:17,526 I the shrieking of nothing is killing, just I 1154 01:18:17,568 --> 01:18:21,947 I pictures of jap girls in synthesis and I I 1155 01:18:21,989 --> 01:18:25,576 I ain't got no money and I ain't got no hair I 1156 01:18:29,872 --> 01:18:34,084 I but I'm hoping to kick, but the planet it's glowing I 1157 01:18:37,379 --> 01:18:41,133 I ashes to ash, funk to funky I 1158 01:18:41,175 --> 01:18:45,221 I we know major Tom's a junkie I 1159 01:18:45,262 --> 01:18:48,265 I strung out in heaven's high I 1160 01:18:48,307 --> 01:18:51,518 I hitting an all-time low... I 1161 01:19:06,742 --> 01:19:10,120 Man: This is your promised land is it not? 1162 01:19:10,162 --> 01:19:13,666 Roof, food, care, protection. 1163 01:19:14,959 --> 01:19:17,586 David: Oh, right, Mr. Treves. 1164 01:19:17,628 --> 01:19:20,214 Man: I'll bet you don't know what to call this. 1165 01:19:20,256 --> 01:19:22,383 David: No, sir. I don't. 1166 01:19:22,424 --> 01:19:24,385 Man: You call it... home. 1167 01:19:27,137 --> 01:19:29,515 Never had a home before. 1168 01:19:29,556 --> 01:19:30,891 Man: You have one now. 1169 01:19:30,933 --> 01:19:32,101 Say it, John. 1170 01:19:32,142 --> 01:19:33,519 - Home. - Home? 1171 01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,396 Man: No, no. I mean really say it. 1172 01:19:35,437 --> 01:19:37,564 "I have a home. 1173 01:19:37,606 --> 01:19:39,608 This is my... "Come on. 1174 01:19:40,776 --> 01:19:42,027 David: I have a home. 1175 01:19:43,237 --> 01:19:49,410 This is my home. 1176 01:19:49,451 --> 01:19:52,997 This is my home. 1177 01:19:53,998 --> 01:19:55,624 I have a home. 1178 01:19:56,834 --> 01:20:00,421 I have, for as long as I like. 1179 01:20:03,340 --> 01:20:06,010 Man: That is what home is. 1180 01:20:16,770 --> 01:20:18,480 David: I had always thought 1181 01:20:18,522 --> 01:20:20,941 that by this stage I would be settled down somewhere 1182 01:20:20,983 --> 01:20:23,193 with a house and grounds and everything, 1183 01:20:23,235 --> 01:20:24,945 but I never got to doing that. 1184 01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:34,538 Never... I've never bought a house, 1185 01:20:34,580 --> 01:20:36,457 and I still have no intention to buy... 1186 01:20:38,834 --> 01:20:40,753 Because with me, 1187 01:20:40,794 --> 01:20:44,173 the way I live is very much also part of the... 1188 01:20:44,214 --> 01:20:45,632 What produces my work, 1189 01:20:45,674 --> 01:20:49,386 so I have to keep examining my life 1190 01:20:49,428 --> 01:20:52,097 to make sure that I am in constant change, 1191 01:20:52,139 --> 01:20:57,394 and not getting too bloated with philosophic opulence. 1192 01:20:57,436 --> 01:21:00,105 Keep sort of throwing bits and pieces away. 1193 01:21:00,147 --> 01:21:03,192 And by... to change countries is one way of doing that. 1194 01:21:10,157 --> 01:21:11,992 I'm not quite sure where to go now. 1195 01:21:12,034 --> 01:21:17,164 Um, the east beckons me. 1196 01:21:17,206 --> 01:21:18,725 I'm a bit scared of moving over there, you know? 1197 01:21:18,749 --> 01:21:20,250 Interviewer: Japan? 1198 01:21:20,292 --> 01:21:22,544 David: Yes, because I fall in love so much 1199 01:21:22,586 --> 01:21:24,588 with the lifestyle that I'll get very zen about it. 1200 01:21:38,727 --> 01:21:41,730 Japanese interviewer: Please give us your special message 1201 01:21:41,772 --> 01:21:44,483 to the audience of our program, "young oh! Oh!" 1202 01:21:45,651 --> 01:21:47,277 Look at the camera, please. 1203 01:21:47,319 --> 01:21:49,738 David: Uh, don't waste any day. Don't waste a minute. 1204 01:21:49,780 --> 01:21:51,448 Interviewer: Yes. 1205 01:21:51,490 --> 01:21:53,409 Mr. David bowie. 1206 01:21:53,450 --> 01:21:54,743 Thank you again. 1207 01:22:09,758 --> 01:22:11,802 David: I hope that none of us are kind of static 1208 01:22:11,844 --> 01:22:13,387 throughout our lives. 1209 01:22:13,429 --> 01:22:16,473 I mean, I guess one has a formed personality 1210 01:22:16,515 --> 01:22:17,975 from quite an early age, 1211 01:22:18,016 --> 01:22:20,394 but it is tempered and subject to change. 1212 01:22:24,064 --> 01:22:26,191 I mean, we all to a certain extent 1213 01:22:26,233 --> 01:22:29,403 create our lives and create our culture daily, 1214 01:22:29,445 --> 01:22:31,113 as we live that 24 hours. 1215 01:22:31,155 --> 01:22:34,658 We'll choose a tie, or a haircut, or a chair, 1216 01:22:34,700 --> 01:22:35,969 not just because it's functional, 1217 01:22:35,993 --> 01:22:37,619 but for most of us 1218 01:22:37,661 --> 01:22:39,381 because it actually says something about us. 1219 01:22:41,623 --> 01:22:44,209 I still, you know, am sort of getting somewhere 1220 01:22:44,251 --> 01:22:47,004 that I quite like, but I'm still not. 1221 01:22:47,045 --> 01:22:48,505 We'll find out eventually, won't we? 1222 01:22:50,757 --> 01:22:53,051 I might now be cut out for all this, really, 1223 01:22:53,093 --> 01:22:55,095 at the end. 1224 01:22:55,137 --> 01:22:56,614 Interviewer: Why did you change so often? 1225 01:22:56,638 --> 01:22:57,782 I mean, what was the need for it? 1226 01:22:57,806 --> 01:22:58,891 Was it just a gimmick? 1227 01:22:58,932 --> 01:23:00,392 David: Being a capricorn. 1228 01:23:00,434 --> 01:23:02,895 I didn't want to expose myself to the public, 1229 01:23:02,936 --> 01:23:05,063 so I developed a series of characters. 1230 01:23:05,105 --> 01:23:07,524 So, behind that all the time was a real David bowie? 1231 01:23:08,317 --> 01:23:09,526 At times, yes. 1232 01:23:09,568 --> 01:23:10,986 I lost control a couple of times. 1233 01:23:12,613 --> 01:23:14,323 So you're not... This is really you. 1234 01:23:14,364 --> 01:23:16,604 This is not you just still sort of playing the role of... 1235 01:23:18,285 --> 01:23:19,620 One wonders. 1236 01:23:19,661 --> 01:23:21,997 I think that it's not at all mystifying 1237 01:23:22,039 --> 01:23:23,641 why you change your appearance as often as you do, 1238 01:23:23,665 --> 01:23:25,209 to my view by the way, 1239 01:23:25,250 --> 01:23:29,338 because I think you've used yourself as a canvas. 1240 01:23:29,379 --> 01:23:31,173 - Yes, very much so. - Is that right? 1241 01:23:31,215 --> 01:23:32,925 David: Yes, very much so. 1242 01:23:32,966 --> 01:23:37,888 Um, I never wanted to appear as myself onstage ever, 1243 01:23:37,930 --> 01:23:39,473 at any time, until recently. 1244 01:23:39,515 --> 01:23:43,393 Were you hiding yourself from us by doing that? 1245 01:23:43,435 --> 01:23:46,230 David: Partly, but I was enjoying it very much. 1246 01:23:46,271 --> 01:23:48,232 - And, you paint now? - Yes. 1247 01:23:48,273 --> 01:23:49,858 But your paintings, you're not willing 1248 01:23:49,900 --> 01:23:51,151 to let us see yet? 1249 01:23:51,193 --> 01:23:52,569 David: Uh, no. 1250 01:23:52,611 --> 01:23:53,713 I've been offered two or three showings, 1251 01:23:53,737 --> 01:23:55,280 but I've turned... 1252 01:23:55,322 --> 01:23:57,407 I've accepted two of them, and then I broke my word 1253 01:23:57,449 --> 01:23:59,576 and said I wouldn't show them. 1254 01:23:59,618 --> 01:24:01,411 I haven't yet bucked up the courage. 1255 01:24:01,453 --> 01:24:04,248 Interviewer: Why not? What do you fear? 1256 01:24:04,289 --> 01:24:05,769 David: Well, I know I'm a good writer. 1257 01:24:07,543 --> 01:24:09,503 I'm not sure about putting my paintings. 1258 01:24:09,545 --> 01:24:11,088 They're very personal to me, as well. 1259 01:24:11,129 --> 01:24:13,382 Um, they're all portraits, 1260 01:24:13,423 --> 01:24:15,425 and they're portraits of people in isolation. 1261 01:24:15,467 --> 01:24:19,137 Most of the paintings are Germans or Turks 1262 01:24:19,179 --> 01:24:21,014 who live in Berlin, 1263 01:24:21,056 --> 01:24:23,308 and they're either from east Berlin, 1264 01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:24,935 and who are now living in west Berlin, 1265 01:24:24,977 --> 01:24:26,228 and knowing their families 1266 01:24:26,270 --> 01:24:28,188 are on the other side of the wall. 1267 01:24:28,230 --> 01:24:31,483 And so, I tried to capture a lot of that isolation 1268 01:24:31,525 --> 01:24:33,944 and I put a lot of myself into the paintings as well. 1269 01:24:33,986 --> 01:24:35,146 They're very much part of me. 1270 01:24:53,797 --> 01:24:55,716 Dick: Well, I think the question is what... 1271 01:24:55,757 --> 01:24:58,885 You know, what you want to be for yourself and your life. 1272 01:24:58,927 --> 01:25:00,780 David: I don't know whether that's important anymore. 1273 01:25:00,804 --> 01:25:03,056 I mean, what I want to do is just work well. 1274 01:25:03,098 --> 01:25:05,475 When I'm working well, I like my writing. 1275 01:25:05,517 --> 01:25:07,019 At the moment, especially. 1276 01:25:07,060 --> 01:25:08,812 More than at any other time, I think. 1277 01:25:08,854 --> 01:25:11,231 I mean, I was getting so bored with what I was writing. 1278 01:25:11,273 --> 01:25:13,609 I just, I felt inadequate, I thought my writing 1279 01:25:13,650 --> 01:25:15,068 was becoming monotonous. 1280 01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:16,987 I didn't take the kinds of chances 1281 01:25:17,029 --> 01:25:18,196 I was taking at one time. 1282 01:25:19,740 --> 01:25:21,825 I thought if I'm going to end up like, 1283 01:25:23,827 --> 01:25:27,414 um, a lot of other rock and roll celebrities, 1284 01:25:27,456 --> 01:25:28,999 inasmuch that I'm going to be trying 1285 01:25:29,041 --> 01:25:30,959 to retain the safe position, you know? 1286 01:25:31,001 --> 01:25:33,170 And that's not what I started out wanting to do. 1287 01:25:33,211 --> 01:25:35,273 Dick: But is it important to you to have a mass audience? 1288 01:25:35,297 --> 01:25:36,399 Do you want a lot of people to... 1289 01:25:36,423 --> 01:25:37,466 David: No. No. 1290 01:25:37,507 --> 01:25:39,009 I want to work well. 1291 01:25:39,051 --> 01:25:41,595 I want to... I just have to work well. 1292 01:25:44,348 --> 01:25:46,516 I think it's an heroic act to take, 1293 01:25:46,558 --> 01:25:51,647 um... to be able to obtain enthusiasm 1294 01:25:51,688 --> 01:25:55,025 and joy from the actual process of living from day to day. 1295 01:25:55,067 --> 01:25:56,526 Interviewer: 1296 01:25:56,568 --> 01:25:57,694 David: Yes, very much. 1297 01:25:57,736 --> 01:26:01,531 I try. And it is, it is... 1298 01:26:01,573 --> 01:26:03,742 I think it takes practice to, 1299 01:26:03,784 --> 01:26:07,287 and concentration, and exercise to enjoy it. 1300 01:26:07,329 --> 01:26:10,540 This is very easy to fall into the trap of looking 1301 01:26:10,582 --> 01:26:13,877 for one's dreams and always thinking of a future moment 1302 01:26:13,919 --> 01:26:15,545 when everything will be better. 1303 01:26:15,587 --> 01:26:17,714 And if the process is not enjoyed, 1304 01:26:17,756 --> 01:26:19,424 the dreams will never come to anything. 1305 01:26:19,466 --> 01:26:21,802 And by enjoying the process, 1306 01:26:21,843 --> 01:26:23,428 you are creating a dream come true. 1307 01:26:33,897 --> 01:26:37,150 I think I have an abundantly healthy curiosity about life. 1308 01:26:37,192 --> 01:26:39,945 About life around me, specifically. 1309 01:26:39,986 --> 01:26:43,573 And how, how we put ourselves together culturally, 1310 01:26:43,615 --> 01:26:46,326 and I think it's served me well as an artist, 1311 01:26:46,368 --> 01:26:50,831 in as much as I'm really inquiring continually 1312 01:26:50,872 --> 01:26:53,458 into how things are made and why we make them, 1313 01:26:53,500 --> 01:26:58,046 and the significance or meanings behind things. 1314 01:27:01,967 --> 01:27:06,096 I'd be really scared of feeling that I'd got somewhere, 1315 01:27:06,138 --> 01:27:09,433 because for me, art is about searching, 1316 01:27:09,474 --> 01:27:10,934 and if you come to a place 1317 01:27:10,976 --> 01:27:12,936 where you think you've made a discovery, 1318 01:27:12,978 --> 01:27:14,813 I think that really is... 1319 01:27:17,232 --> 01:27:19,317 God, that would be really demoralizing. 1320 01:27:19,359 --> 01:27:21,278 I think the search is the thing. 1321 01:27:23,488 --> 01:27:25,323 I and you want to believe I 1322 01:27:27,159 --> 01:27:29,119 I and we want to believe I 1323 01:27:30,495 --> 01:27:32,330 I and we want to live I 1324 01:27:33,915 --> 01:27:35,792 I oh, we want to live I 1325 01:27:37,753 --> 01:27:39,296 I we want to live I 1326 01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:42,924 I we want to live I 1327 01:27:44,968 --> 01:27:46,511 I we want to live I 1328 01:27:48,430 --> 01:27:49,931 I we want to live I 1329 01:27:51,933 --> 01:27:53,685 I we want to live I 1330 01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:57,314 I I want to live I 1331 01:27:59,232 --> 01:28:01,109 I I want to live I 1332 01:28:02,903 --> 01:28:04,738 I I want to live I 1333 01:28:06,490 --> 01:28:08,658 I I want to live I 1334 01:28:10,452 --> 01:28:12,496 I I want to live I 1335 01:28:13,955 --> 01:28:16,124 I I want to live I 1336 01:28:18,502 --> 01:28:19,711 I live I 1337 01:28:22,130 --> 01:28:24,007 I live I 1338 01:28:25,842 --> 01:28:28,011 I live I 1339 01:28:52,077 --> 01:28:55,580 I ain't that just like me. I 1340 01:30:29,090 --> 01:30:32,135 David: There's a gradual shift when you reach mid 30s. 1341 01:30:32,177 --> 01:30:33,762 Uh, I think that there's a period 1342 01:30:33,803 --> 01:30:36,932 where you have to decide not to try 1343 01:30:36,973 --> 01:30:41,603 and grasp frantically for the feelings of desperation 1344 01:30:41,645 --> 01:30:44,773 and anger that you have when you're in your mid 20s. 1345 01:30:44,814 --> 01:30:49,402 And if you can relax into the idea that being mid 30s 1346 01:30:49,444 --> 01:30:51,071 is quite a nice place to be 1347 01:30:51,112 --> 01:30:52,822 with an amount of experience behind you, 1348 01:30:54,407 --> 01:30:56,284 I think the perspective changes. 1349 01:31:03,333 --> 01:31:04,352 Interviewer: You said once that there's 1350 01:31:04,376 --> 01:31:06,169 so many shells around you 1351 01:31:06,211 --> 01:31:07,772 that you don't know what the p... looks like anymore. 1352 01:31:07,796 --> 01:31:09,231 David: Yeah, well I've gone through that. 1353 01:31:09,255 --> 01:31:11,675 I'm pretty aware of what I'm like. 1354 01:31:11,716 --> 01:31:13,510 - Interviewer: Really? - David: Yeah, yeah. 1355 01:31:13,551 --> 01:31:16,680 I feel pretty-pretty happy about my own relationship 1356 01:31:16,721 --> 01:31:17,722 to the world, and... 1357 01:31:21,059 --> 01:31:25,647 We've got to be positive about our days on this planet. 1358 01:31:25,689 --> 01:31:28,191 Interviewer: I never realized you were such an optimist. 1359 01:31:28,233 --> 01:31:29,713 David: Well, I never was particularly. 1360 01:31:30,986 --> 01:31:32,445 Interviewer: You're more romantic 1361 01:31:32,487 --> 01:31:35,115 than people give you credit for. 1362 01:31:35,156 --> 01:31:37,075 David: I think I'm probably a lot more emotional 1363 01:31:37,117 --> 01:31:39,786 than people would think that I was. 1364 01:31:39,828 --> 01:31:42,539 I am emotionally very responsive to life and people. 1365 01:31:46,710 --> 01:31:49,379 I just wanted to come in touch with a common factor 1366 01:31:49,421 --> 01:31:51,256 because I feel a need at the moment to... 1367 01:31:52,465 --> 01:31:54,884 Be part of a society again, 1368 01:31:54,926 --> 01:31:56,469 and having traveled an awful lot, 1369 01:31:56,511 --> 01:31:59,305 feel more and more part of everything. 1370 01:31:59,347 --> 01:32:01,057 And I wish to express that feeling. 1371 01:32:01,099 --> 01:32:04,102 I don't want to seem as though I'm detached and cold 1372 01:32:04,144 --> 01:32:05,603 because I'm not. 1373 01:32:09,232 --> 01:32:11,151 Interviewer: You seem very sure of yourself, 1374 01:32:11,192 --> 01:32:13,236 and very, sort of content, and... 1375 01:32:13,278 --> 01:32:14,738 You seem at ease with yourself. 1376 01:32:14,779 --> 01:32:16,219 David: I'm at ease with myself, yeah. 1377 01:32:22,662 --> 01:32:23,931 Interviewer: You've always been so good 1378 01:32:23,955 --> 01:32:26,207 at being convincing, you know? 1379 01:32:26,249 --> 01:32:28,710 - Whatever it was at the time. - David: Yeah. I see. 1380 01:32:28,752 --> 01:32:30,670 Interviewer: I mean, is it possible that this 1381 01:32:30,712 --> 01:32:34,424 - is just another role? - David: I see what's going on. 1382 01:32:34,466 --> 01:32:36,676 I believe that there is a thread 1383 01:32:36,718 --> 01:32:38,970 of meaning running through my life at the moment, 1384 01:32:39,012 --> 01:32:40,692 that I have no wish at the moment to break, 1385 01:32:40,722 --> 01:32:42,140 and I feel it's leading 1386 01:32:42,182 --> 01:32:44,267 somewhere fulfilling and positive. 1387 01:32:44,309 --> 01:32:47,145 And if I feel that way, then I make every effort 1388 01:32:47,187 --> 01:32:49,606 to make that part of my music now. 1389 01:32:54,319 --> 01:32:56,529 It's the ultimate swing of the pendulum. 1390 01:32:56,571 --> 01:32:58,782 When things reach a point to one extreme, 1391 01:32:58,823 --> 01:33:00,366 there will be a natural gravitation 1392 01:33:00,408 --> 01:33:02,243 back to a point, 1393 01:33:02,285 --> 01:33:04,204 which is the antithesis of that one. 1394 01:33:04,245 --> 01:33:06,247 So, you've got a musical vocabulary, 1395 01:33:06,289 --> 01:33:10,376 which is high-tech, and icy. 1396 01:33:10,418 --> 01:33:13,338 There's gonna be sooner or later a swing back to, 1397 01:33:13,379 --> 01:33:16,216 well, what is the other side of that coin? 1398 01:33:16,257 --> 01:33:17,937 Man: Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. David bowie. 1399 01:33:23,556 --> 01:33:26,351 David: I'd like to, um, start off the 80s 1400 01:33:26,392 --> 01:33:29,270 in a positive, optimistic fashion. 1401 01:33:29,312 --> 01:33:32,148 I'll be undertaking, a world tour, 1402 01:33:32,190 --> 01:33:34,067 sometime around the middle of the year, 1403 01:33:34,109 --> 01:33:38,071 and it'll take me through to the Autumn at least. 1404 01:33:38,113 --> 01:33:40,156 And he's back. David bowie, 1405 01:33:40,198 --> 01:33:42,408 launching his first new album in three years, 1406 01:33:42,450 --> 01:33:45,328 preparing for his first British tour in five years, 1407 01:33:45,370 --> 01:33:47,372 and telling newsnight's Robin denselow 1408 01:33:47,413 --> 01:33:50,375 about his new and more emotional music style. 1409 01:33:51,876 --> 01:33:54,546 David: I'm trying to write in a more obvious 1410 01:33:54,587 --> 01:33:56,172 and positive manner. 1411 01:33:56,214 --> 01:33:59,425 I've not gone quite into a corner 1412 01:33:59,467 --> 01:34:01,928 with experimentation of sound. 1413 01:34:01,970 --> 01:34:04,764 I'm not quite so concerned with cut-up exercise, 1414 01:34:04,806 --> 01:34:07,392 or using juxtaposition of lyrics, or whatever. 1415 01:34:07,433 --> 01:34:09,269 I'd like to do something positive. 1416 01:34:09,310 --> 01:34:11,938 Something that helps people, to use a cliche. 1417 01:34:13,481 --> 01:34:14,708 David: This is probably the simplest music 1418 01:34:14,732 --> 01:34:16,109 I've ever done. 1419 01:34:16,151 --> 01:34:17,545 Interviewer: What do you mean simple? 1420 01:34:17,569 --> 01:34:20,321 David: It makes very warm, 1421 01:34:20,363 --> 01:34:22,282 understandable musical statements. 1422 01:34:22,323 --> 01:34:24,159 It has a warm response. 1423 01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:27,871 I hope that it's the most emotionally uplifting music 1424 01:34:27,912 --> 01:34:29,956 I've made in a long time. 1425 01:34:29,998 --> 01:34:31,583 It's very positive. 1426 01:34:31,624 --> 01:34:33,209 Interviewer: Is that how you're feeling? 1427 01:34:33,251 --> 01:34:35,128 David: Relatively. Oh yeah. 1428 01:34:35,170 --> 01:34:36,504 I'm very positive. 1429 01:34:37,755 --> 01:34:38,965 I never gonna fall for I 1430 01:34:39,007 --> 01:34:40,216 j“ modern love I 1431 01:34:40,258 --> 01:34:41,509 I walks beside me I 1432 01:34:41,551 --> 01:34:42,802 j“ modern love I 1433 01:34:42,844 --> 01:34:43,803 I walks on by I 1434 01:34:43,845 --> 01:34:45,263 j“ modern love I 1435 01:34:45,305 --> 01:34:48,766 I gets me to the church on time I 1436 01:34:48,808 --> 01:34:50,894 reporter: British fans are overwhelming 1437 01:34:50,935 --> 01:34:53,271 the post office with more than four times 1438 01:34:53,313 --> 01:34:56,566 as many ticket requests as seats available. 1439 01:34:56,608 --> 01:34:59,068 This is the biggest demand ever. 1440 01:34:59,110 --> 01:35:01,070 Boy: We waited hours and hours to get tickets. 1441 01:35:01,112 --> 01:35:02,197 Interviewer: Big bowie fan? 1442 01:35:02,238 --> 01:35:03,323 Man: Yeah, that's me. 1443 01:35:03,364 --> 01:35:04,490 Woman: He's totally evolved. 1444 01:35:04,532 --> 01:35:05,950 He knows what his fans want, 1445 01:35:05,992 --> 01:35:07,452 and that's what he's delivering now. 1446 01:35:07,493 --> 01:35:09,829 I love David bowie! 1447 01:35:09,871 --> 01:35:11,473 Reporter: Fans have been waiting a day and a half 1448 01:35:11,497 --> 01:35:12,749 in the stadium parking lot. 1449 01:35:12,790 --> 01:35:14,334 They open the gates at 5pm. 1450 01:35:14,375 --> 01:35:16,878 We want bowie! 1451 01:35:18,504 --> 01:35:19,839 J“ modern love I 1452 01:35:19,881 --> 01:35:20,882 j“ modern love I 1453 01:35:22,508 --> 01:35:24,677 j“ modern love I 1454 01:35:24,719 --> 01:35:27,513 emcee: Ladies and gentlemen... 1455 01:35:29,015 --> 01:35:32,435 David bowie and his band! 1456 01:35:40,401 --> 01:35:41,629 Man: What is it about David bowie 1457 01:35:41,653 --> 01:35:43,446 that excites you so much? 1458 01:35:43,488 --> 01:35:44,822 - His style. - Yeah? 1459 01:35:44,864 --> 01:35:46,115 I like his makeup. 1460 01:35:46,157 --> 01:35:47,450 Man: You like his makeup? 1461 01:35:47,492 --> 01:35:48,743 Woman: I like his music. 1462 01:35:50,453 --> 01:35:52,956 Band: I let's dance I 1463 01:35:52,997 --> 01:35:58,086 David: I put on your red shoes and dance the blues I 1464 01:35:58,127 --> 01:36:00,255 band: I let's dance I 1465 01:36:00,296 --> 01:36:04,133 David: I to the song they're playin' on the radio I 1466 01:36:05,802 --> 01:36:08,012 band: I let's sway I 1467 01:36:08,054 --> 01:36:10,598 David: J“ while color lights up your face I 1468 01:36:13,476 --> 01:36:15,812 band: I let's sway I 1469 01:36:15,853 --> 01:36:19,691 David: J“ sway through the crowd to an empty space I 1470 01:36:22,735 --> 01:36:27,407 I if you say run I'll run with you I 1471 01:36:30,326 --> 01:36:33,121 I and if you say hide I 1472 01:36:33,162 --> 01:36:34,914 I we'll hide I 1473 01:36:37,458 --> 01:36:40,712 I because my love for you I 1474 01:36:40,753 --> 01:36:44,757 I would break my heart in two I 1475 01:36:44,799 --> 01:36:48,970 I if you should fall into my arms I 1476 01:36:49,012 --> 01:36:54,267 I trembling like a flower I 1477 01:37:20,501 --> 01:37:23,212 Band: I let's dance I 1478 01:37:23,254 --> 01:37:26,966 David: I put on your red shoes and dance the blues I 1479 01:37:28,217 --> 01:37:30,470 band: I let's dance I 1480 01:37:30,511 --> 01:37:34,182 David: J“ under the moonlight I 1481 01:37:34,223 --> 01:37:36,309 I this serious moonlight I 1482 01:37:36,351 --> 01:37:37,352 band: I let's sway I 1483 01:37:43,399 --> 01:37:44,400 I let's sway I 1484 01:37:50,990 --> 01:37:52,033 I let's dance I 1485 01:37:58,539 --> 01:37:59,665 I let's dance I 1486 01:38:06,172 --> 01:38:07,715 I let's dance I 1487 01:38:13,846 --> 01:38:14,972 I let's dance I 1488 01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:19,685 David: J“ let's dance, let's dance I 1489 01:38:19,727 --> 01:38:21,854 I let's dance, let's dance. I 1490 01:38:33,157 --> 01:38:34,534 Audience: Bowie! 1491 01:38:34,575 --> 01:38:35,993 Bowie! 1492 01:38:36,035 --> 01:38:37,662 Bowie! 1493 01:38:37,703 --> 01:38:39,831 Bowie! Bowie! 1494 01:38:44,168 --> 01:38:45,854 Interviewer: Do you think they phenomenal success 1495 01:38:45,878 --> 01:38:48,256 of the tour marks the rebirth of bowie fever? 1496 01:38:49,507 --> 01:38:51,092 David: No, I don't think that. 1497 01:38:51,134 --> 01:38:53,219 But I think it's just a bowie acceptance now, 1498 01:38:53,261 --> 01:38:56,222 which is quite gratifying after all these years. 1499 01:39:11,070 --> 01:39:12,756 Didn't think I'd ever hear myself saying this, 1500 01:39:12,780 --> 01:39:14,407 but it's like the audience 1501 01:39:14,449 --> 01:39:16,284 and myself are just, like, together. 1502 01:39:16,325 --> 01:39:17,660 It's trying to come back 1503 01:39:17,702 --> 01:39:19,829 to being a person again in terms... 1504 01:39:19,871 --> 01:39:21,622 In the eyes of the audience, 1505 01:39:21,664 --> 01:39:23,291 and it certainly has no pretensions 1506 01:39:23,332 --> 01:39:25,376 to be a serious, 1507 01:39:25,418 --> 01:39:29,964 heavy statement-filled show, but I mean, 1508 01:39:30,006 --> 01:39:31,507 it's exactly what I want it to be. 1509 01:39:35,636 --> 01:39:37,197 Interviewer: What do you most enjoy doing? 1510 01:39:37,221 --> 01:39:38,931 David: In life, at the moment? 1511 01:39:41,225 --> 01:39:43,269 Waking up and feeling as though I've got a future. 1512 01:39:45,021 --> 01:39:48,149 I keep remembering that there is a tomorrow, 1513 01:39:48,191 --> 01:39:50,151 when that never really occurred to me before, 1514 01:39:50,193 --> 01:39:51,569 that there was a tomorrow. 1515 01:39:51,611 --> 01:39:54,322 Tomorrow was really, "this is it. 1516 01:39:54,363 --> 01:39:56,574 "This is now, this is important. 1517 01:39:56,616 --> 01:39:58,784 "Everything else is crazy, and static, 1518 01:39:58,826 --> 01:40:01,871 "and it means nothing, or everything's impermanent, 1519 01:40:01,913 --> 01:40:04,499 therefore I will just live for the second." 1520 01:40:06,250 --> 01:40:09,253 And one has to start taking very positive stands on things. 1521 01:40:15,301 --> 01:40:16,928 When you feel comfortable with yourself, 1522 01:40:16,969 --> 01:40:18,596 you can no longer write. 1523 01:40:18,638 --> 01:40:22,058 That seems to be the writer's great problem. 1524 01:40:22,099 --> 01:40:25,603 As I get more comfortable, I obviously have the feeling 1525 01:40:25,645 --> 01:40:29,148 that it's not so much that is my writing as good, 1526 01:40:29,190 --> 01:40:32,860 or as potent as it used to be, but do I need to write anymore? 1527 01:41:01,597 --> 01:41:05,309 Man: His new album seems to be, to me, a step sideways. 1528 01:41:05,351 --> 01:41:06,411 Interviewer: Why do you describe it 1529 01:41:06,435 --> 01:41:07,770 that... in that way? 1530 01:41:07,812 --> 01:41:09,272 Man: Because I think he's not doing 1531 01:41:09,313 --> 01:41:10,982 anything particularly new, 1532 01:41:11,023 --> 01:41:14,110 and I suspect that for the first time ever, 1533 01:41:14,151 --> 01:41:18,573 the fans are up there with him and he's not ahead of the game. 1534 01:41:18,614 --> 01:41:21,951 He seems to me to have become something rather old fashioned, 1535 01:41:21,993 --> 01:41:24,120 which is to say a superstar. 1536 01:41:38,259 --> 01:41:41,220 If you've gone mainstream, there's only one way to do it, 1537 01:41:41,262 --> 01:41:43,139 and that's sell out three days a year. 1538 01:41:43,180 --> 01:41:44,265 Man 2: Really do it. 1539 01:41:44,307 --> 01:41:45,850 Man: Yeah, yeah. 1540 01:41:45,891 --> 01:41:47,451 He's done it in one big deal, hasn't he? 1541 01:41:50,938 --> 01:41:52,481 Interviewer: This is the last stop 1542 01:41:52,523 --> 01:41:54,984 on what's been a pretty extensive tour for you. 1543 01:41:55,026 --> 01:41:57,278 David: Uh, yeah, I'm not actually finishing in Auckland. 1544 01:41:57,320 --> 01:41:58,738 I'm going over now 1545 01:41:58,779 --> 01:42:01,032 to Singapore, Hong Kong, and Bangkok. 1546 01:42:02,241 --> 01:42:04,452 I I've nothing much to offer I 1547 01:42:07,496 --> 01:42:10,458 I there's nothing much to take I 1548 01:42:22,261 --> 01:42:24,847 I I'm an absolute beginner I 1549 01:42:27,642 --> 01:42:32,563 I but I'm absolutely sane I 1550 01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:39,028 I'm not quite so stricken with the idea 1551 01:42:39,070 --> 01:42:41,113 of making a point. 1552 01:42:41,155 --> 01:42:43,282 I'm not quite sure that any point 1553 01:42:43,324 --> 01:42:45,910 that I have to make isn't being made quite as well 1554 01:42:45,951 --> 01:42:47,411 by other people. 1555 01:42:47,453 --> 01:42:50,915 Um, and that maybe the point, 1556 01:42:50,956 --> 01:42:52,291 my most important point, 1557 01:42:52,333 --> 01:42:54,126 is that I can entertain very well, 1558 01:42:54,168 --> 01:42:57,713 and I think I'm no longer finding it uncomfortable 1559 01:42:57,755 --> 01:43:01,676 to reach that conclusion. 1560 01:43:03,094 --> 01:43:05,846 That I now find I'm very comfortable 1561 01:43:05,888 --> 01:43:08,641 being an actor, an entertainer, 1562 01:43:08,683 --> 01:43:12,269 without too much all-encompassing stuff. 1563 01:43:12,311 --> 01:43:13,854 J“ time takes a cigarette I 1564 01:43:16,065 --> 01:43:17,441 I puts it in your mouth I 1565 01:43:19,527 --> 01:43:21,737 I you pull on your finger I 1566 01:43:21,779 --> 01:43:24,990 I then another finger then your cigarette I 1567 01:43:26,409 --> 01:43:29,286 I the wall-to-wall is calling I 1568 01:43:29,328 --> 01:43:33,249 I it lingers, but still you forget I 1569 01:43:33,290 --> 01:43:36,335 I ohhh I 1570 01:43:36,377 --> 01:43:38,629 I you're a rock and roll suicide I 1571 01:43:41,257 --> 01:43:43,092 I you're too young to lose it I 1572 01:43:44,969 --> 01:43:47,346 I but you're too old to lose it I 1573 01:43:49,515 --> 01:43:53,978 I and the clocks waits so patiently on your song I 1574 01:43:55,271 --> 01:43:58,482 I well, you walk past a cafe I 1575 01:43:58,524 --> 01:44:01,527 I but you can't eat when you've lived too long... I 1576 01:44:01,569 --> 01:44:03,571 man: Pepsi continues to innovate, 1577 01:44:03,612 --> 01:44:05,364 by capturing what's new, 1578 01:44:05,406 --> 01:44:08,284 what's contemporary, and what's hot. 1579 01:44:08,325 --> 01:44:10,327 The glass spider tour will be all of that. 1580 01:44:10,369 --> 01:44:14,206 I now the chev brakes are snarling I 1581 01:44:14,248 --> 01:44:15,958 I as you stumble across the road I 1582 01:44:17,668 --> 01:44:20,504 interviewer: You always have that segment of people 1583 01:44:20,546 --> 01:44:22,006 who are with you from the start 1584 01:44:22,047 --> 01:44:24,467 and if you know bowie, you know he's sold out. 1585 01:44:24,508 --> 01:44:28,053 David: I don't begrudge any artist for getting an audience. 1586 01:44:28,095 --> 01:44:31,223 I'm sorry, I never found that poverty meant purity. 1587 01:44:31,265 --> 01:44:33,100 Interviewer: For a guy who doesn't like 1588 01:44:33,142 --> 01:44:35,478 to play it safe, though, as the audience gets larger, 1589 01:44:35,519 --> 01:44:37,396 it must be harder to take those chances. 1590 01:44:38,814 --> 01:44:41,609 I oh no, love, you're not alone I 1591 01:44:43,319 --> 01:44:47,323 I you're watching yourself but you're too unfair I 1592 01:44:47,364 --> 01:44:50,409 I you got your head all tangled up I 1593 01:44:50,451 --> 01:44:54,038 I but if I could only make you care I 1594 01:44:54,079 --> 01:44:55,581 here I was, making lots of money, 1595 01:44:55,623 --> 01:44:57,458 performing to these huge audiences, 1596 01:44:57,500 --> 01:44:59,084 and I thought that's it, you know? 1597 01:44:59,126 --> 01:45:01,754 I've come to the vacuum of my life. 1598 01:45:01,796 --> 01:45:05,466 I no matter when or where you've seen I 1599 01:45:05,508 --> 01:45:08,969 I all the knives seem to lacerate your brain I 1600 01:45:09,011 --> 01:45:13,849 I I've had my share now I'll help you with the pain I 1601 01:45:13,891 --> 01:45:15,267 I you're not alone I 1602 01:45:20,022 --> 01:45:23,526 I just turn on with me and you're not alone I 1603 01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:30,324 I just turn on with me and you're not alone I 1604 01:45:34,245 --> 01:45:37,706 I gimme your hands cause you're wonderful I 1605 01:45:38,833 --> 01:45:40,584 j'isaidj' 1606 01:45:40,626 --> 01:45:44,463 I gimme your hands cause you're wonderful I 1607 01:45:47,508 --> 01:45:51,554 I gimme your hands cause you're wonderful I 1608 01:45:53,222 --> 01:45:57,184 I cause you... Gimmie your hands I 1609 01:45:57,226 --> 01:45:59,270 I cause you're wonderful I 1610 01:46:01,730 --> 01:46:07,069 I gimme your hands 'cause you're wonderful I 1611 01:46:07,111 --> 01:46:08,362 I gimme your hands I 1612 01:46:11,490 --> 01:46:13,325 I 'cause you're wonderful I 1613 01:46:18,831 --> 01:46:20,708 I 'cause you're wonderful I 1614 01:46:25,921 --> 01:46:27,756 I 'cause you're wonderful I 1615 01:46:32,928 --> 01:46:34,346 I 'cause you're wonderful I 1616 01:46:34,388 --> 01:46:35,389 I'm a young man. 1617 01:46:36,849 --> 01:46:38,893 Do you understand? 1618 01:46:38,934 --> 01:46:40,644 I'm a young man. 1619 01:46:40,686 --> 01:46:42,229 I 'cause you're wonderful. I 1620 01:46:59,455 --> 01:47:02,207 Thank you very much. Bye bye, we love you. 1621 01:47:31,779 --> 01:47:34,073 David: Even though it was enormously successful, 1622 01:47:35,574 --> 01:47:37,952 there was no growth going on at all. 1623 01:47:43,540 --> 01:47:44,935 They were very hard years to get through 1624 01:47:44,959 --> 01:47:46,585 to find any sense of purpose. 1625 01:47:48,837 --> 01:47:50,714 I wasn't allowing myself 1626 01:47:50,756 --> 01:47:53,592 the service of being who I really am as an artist. 1627 01:47:55,094 --> 01:47:57,012 I'd given myself dreadful parameters 1628 01:47:57,054 --> 01:48:01,600 in confining myself to merely what I presumed people wanted. 1629 01:48:05,729 --> 01:48:07,356 I never wanted to do this. 1630 01:48:07,398 --> 01:48:09,817 I never wanted to be out there pleasing people. 1631 01:48:09,858 --> 01:48:11,694 I wanted to be really stubborn 1632 01:48:11,735 --> 01:48:13,779 and have people like what I like. 1633 01:48:13,821 --> 01:48:16,031 Not give them what they like. 1634 01:48:21,870 --> 01:48:25,332 It's very, very easy to become work-obsessed 1635 01:48:25,374 --> 01:48:27,543 for the reason of not having to look at oneself. 1636 01:48:31,755 --> 01:48:33,382 I think over the last few years, 1637 01:48:33,424 --> 01:48:35,342 I'm understanding 1638 01:48:35,384 --> 01:48:38,262 a very important thing in my life, 1639 01:48:38,303 --> 01:48:41,682 which is that I really have to come back 1640 01:48:41,724 --> 01:48:44,143 to what my life is about. 1641 01:48:44,184 --> 01:48:47,938 That my life is not about the work that I do. 1642 01:48:47,980 --> 01:48:49,606 My work is not me. 1643 01:48:49,648 --> 01:48:54,820 I am distinctly one entity that needs looking at. 1644 01:48:57,740 --> 01:48:59,199 When I first looked, 1645 01:48:59,241 --> 01:49:01,994 I just didn't understand that person, 1646 01:49:02,036 --> 01:49:04,371 because I'd never given myself the time, 1647 01:49:04,413 --> 01:49:06,040 nor the incentive 1648 01:49:06,081 --> 01:49:09,668 to want to really have a look at myself, deeply. 1649 01:49:12,755 --> 01:49:15,966 I think the first intrusion into one's own inner conflicts 1650 01:49:16,008 --> 01:49:18,052 is not the most pleasant of experiences. 1651 01:49:21,138 --> 01:49:23,515 But working through them 1652 01:49:23,557 --> 01:49:25,350 can really be one of the greatest adventures 1653 01:49:25,392 --> 01:49:27,061 of one's life, 1654 01:49:27,102 --> 01:49:31,398 and it takes a certain amount of bravado, 1655 01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:34,985 and need, and a realization 1656 01:49:35,027 --> 01:49:37,988 that you're missing out on your own life. 1657 01:49:39,406 --> 01:49:41,408 You are probably creating hazards 1658 01:49:41,450 --> 01:49:47,289 and disturbing experiences for others around you. 1659 01:49:47,331 --> 01:49:49,625 And the house must be put right. 1660 01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:11,164 Interviewer: Do you have any room in your life 1661 01:50:11,188 --> 01:50:12,981 for any kind of real relationship like that? 1662 01:50:13,023 --> 01:50:14,703 David: More room than I've ever had before. 1663 01:50:17,986 --> 01:50:20,239 Interviewer: You've said that being in love, 1664 01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:21,508 you thought was like a disease. 1665 01:50:21,532 --> 01:50:23,283 David: Yeah. 1666 01:50:23,325 --> 01:50:24,677 Interviewer: Horrible, and it bred jealousy, and... 1667 01:50:24,701 --> 01:50:26,578 David: I think I've... I think I've... 1668 01:50:26,620 --> 01:50:30,791 I think I've grown to feel a distaste for that statement. 1669 01:50:55,858 --> 01:50:58,485 Then I met iman, 1670 01:50:58,527 --> 01:51:01,864 and it was smack, right from the first night. 1671 01:51:01,905 --> 01:51:03,198 That was it. It was over. 1672 01:51:05,909 --> 01:51:06,910 It was incredible. 1673 01:51:10,581 --> 01:51:14,543 My life suddenly became Rose-tinged. 1674 01:51:16,170 --> 01:51:18,797 I in this age of grand illusion I 1675 01:51:18,839 --> 01:51:21,133 I you walked into my life I 1676 01:51:21,175 --> 01:51:22,968 I out of my dreams I 1677 01:51:25,971 --> 01:51:28,390 I I don't need another change I 1678 01:51:28,432 --> 01:51:30,100 I still you forced your way I 1679 01:51:30,142 --> 01:51:32,978 I into my scheme of things I 1680 01:51:36,982 --> 01:51:39,318 I you say we're growing I 1681 01:51:40,652 --> 01:51:44,072 I growing heart and soul... I 1682 01:51:44,114 --> 01:51:46,033 I really started thinking about 1683 01:51:46,074 --> 01:51:49,995 where I was gonna go with it, and what I could do for her, 1684 01:51:50,037 --> 01:51:52,581 and how I could be 1685 01:51:52,623 --> 01:51:54,208 some kind of valuable contribution 1686 01:51:54,249 --> 01:51:56,293 to a relationship. 1687 01:51:56,335 --> 01:52:02,174 I sweet name you're born once again for me I 1688 01:52:06,011 --> 01:52:11,725 I sweet name you're born once again for me... I 1689 01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:16,271 it became a process over the first year or so, 1690 01:52:16,313 --> 01:52:18,982 trying to balance my life in terms of well, 1691 01:52:19,024 --> 01:52:21,193 how many of these precious moments 1692 01:52:21,235 --> 01:52:24,112 am I willing to give away at my age, 45? 1693 01:52:24,154 --> 01:52:27,074 Do I want to keep on inundating myself 1694 01:52:27,115 --> 01:52:29,618 with one work project after another, and sort of, 1695 01:52:29,660 --> 01:52:32,537 leave virtually no room for a real, solid, 1696 01:52:32,579 --> 01:52:35,832 wonderful relationship to start blooming? 1697 01:52:35,874 --> 01:52:39,795 I lord, I knee! And offer you I 1698 01:52:39,836 --> 01:52:42,589 I my word on a wing I 1699 01:52:44,841 --> 01:52:46,885 interviewer: Tour plans. Any tour plans? 1700 01:52:46,927 --> 01:52:50,472 Unfortunately not. No, not this time. 1701 01:52:50,514 --> 01:52:53,934 As you know, I've only been married seven months, 1702 01:52:53,976 --> 01:52:57,562 and I really want to spend more time within the marriage. 1703 01:52:57,604 --> 01:53:00,274 I think the worst thing to do is run away for a year. 1704 01:53:01,566 --> 01:53:02,609 I really do. 1705 01:53:09,783 --> 01:53:10,784 I lord I 1706 01:53:12,035 --> 01:53:13,453 I lord I 1707 01:53:13,495 --> 01:53:16,164 I my prayer flies like a word on a wing I 1708 01:53:18,083 --> 01:53:20,877 I my prayer flies like a word on a wing I 1709 01:53:22,713 --> 01:53:25,882 I does my prayer fit in with your scheme of things? I 1710 01:53:35,809 --> 01:53:38,895 David: There's a certain buoyancy that you can develop 1711 01:53:38,937 --> 01:53:40,731 as you get older 1712 01:53:40,772 --> 01:53:43,984 if you are capable of absorbing that it's a finite life, 1713 01:53:44,026 --> 01:53:45,569 and a finite existence. 1714 01:53:46,862 --> 01:53:48,363 And it's a kind of a knowledge 1715 01:53:48,405 --> 01:53:51,366 that you cannot possibly entertain 1716 01:53:51,408 --> 01:53:53,118 when you're young. 1717 01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:56,830 You cannot entertain the real magnificence 1718 01:53:56,872 --> 01:53:59,333 and inevitability of the short span of years 1719 01:53:59,374 --> 01:54:00,834 that we spend on the earth. 1720 01:54:00,876 --> 01:54:02,669 And I think if you are really honest 1721 01:54:02,711 --> 01:54:04,087 with that reality, 1722 01:54:04,129 --> 01:54:06,590 you can have a kind of a freedom, 1723 01:54:06,631 --> 01:54:08,925 artistically, spiritually, and emotionally 1724 01:54:08,967 --> 01:54:10,719 that you don't have when you're young. 1725 01:54:10,761 --> 01:54:15,265 I ooh, ready to shape the scheme of things I 1726 01:54:15,307 --> 01:54:17,351 the idea of holding on to anything 1727 01:54:17,392 --> 01:54:21,730 that's manifested seems farcical. 1728 01:54:21,772 --> 01:54:23,523 There is nothing to hold onto. 1729 01:54:23,565 --> 01:54:25,359 Youth, physical things, or... 1730 01:54:29,029 --> 01:54:30,197 Definitely possessions. 1731 01:54:35,077 --> 01:54:36,953 The 20th century concern 1732 01:54:36,995 --> 01:54:40,290 is how we put our new god back together again. 1733 01:54:40,332 --> 01:54:43,460 I think that we're coming into an era of chaos, 1734 01:54:43,502 --> 01:54:45,629 and chaos has meaning in our lives, 1735 01:54:45,670 --> 01:54:47,964 and I think that we have to re-adapt 1736 01:54:48,006 --> 01:54:51,218 our interpretation of religion and spirituality 1737 01:54:51,259 --> 01:54:52,469 to suit our new millennium. 1738 01:54:53,887 --> 01:54:55,806 Chaos and fragmentation is something 1739 01:54:55,847 --> 01:54:58,600 that I've always been very comfortable with. 1740 01:54:58,642 --> 01:55:01,269 That obviously is my through-line. 1741 01:55:01,311 --> 01:55:02,979 Because I've always felt 1742 01:55:03,021 --> 01:55:05,649 that there's no real central one truth in life. 1743 01:55:05,690 --> 01:55:07,859 That the way we live is trying to make sense 1744 01:55:07,901 --> 01:55:12,072 of the endless vortex of fragments. 1745 01:55:12,114 --> 01:55:14,616 That essentially, we try and pull 1746 01:55:14,658 --> 01:55:17,035 these weedy little truths 1747 01:55:17,077 --> 01:55:19,663 and absolutes 1748 01:55:19,704 --> 01:55:23,708 out of this kind of mindless chaos, 1749 01:55:23,750 --> 01:55:25,752 which is the real universe. 1750 01:55:25,794 --> 01:55:28,422 There's something about the 90s that I really like. 1751 01:55:28,463 --> 01:55:30,382 There's something in the air that I recognize. 1752 01:55:30,424 --> 01:55:32,092 I think it's all the frag... 1753 01:55:32,134 --> 01:55:34,594 All the fragments flying around in the chaos. 1754 01:55:34,636 --> 01:55:37,264 It feels really... I kind of... I know this stuff. 1755 01:56:04,416 --> 01:56:05,459 I spaceboy I 1756 01:56:07,002 --> 01:56:08,253 I you're sleepy now I 1757 01:56:09,463 --> 01:56:10,797 I your silhouette I 1758 01:56:12,466 --> 01:56:13,925 I is so stationary I 1759 01:56:15,802 --> 01:56:18,346 I you're released but your custody calls I 1760 01:56:20,015 --> 01:56:21,433 I and I want to be free I 1761 01:56:25,395 --> 01:56:26,688 I don't you want to be free I 1762 01:56:28,523 --> 01:56:30,192 I do you like girls or boys I 1763 01:56:32,152 --> 01:56:34,654 I yeah, it's confusing these days I 1764 01:56:36,031 --> 01:56:39,534 I but moondust will cover you I 1765 01:56:39,576 --> 01:56:41,369 I cover you I 1766 01:56:41,411 --> 01:56:43,538 I this chaos is killing me I 1767 01:56:48,502 --> 01:56:49,586 I so bye bye love I 1768 01:56:54,883 --> 01:56:56,092 I bye bye love I 1769 01:57:01,515 --> 01:57:02,557 I bye bye love I 1770 01:57:07,687 --> 01:57:08,813 I bye bye love I 1771 01:57:26,498 --> 01:57:28,458 I this chaos is killing me I 1772 01:57:33,547 --> 01:57:34,756 I sweet sweet dove I 1773 01:57:39,844 --> 01:57:41,221 I bye bye spaceboy I 1774 01:57:46,268 --> 01:57:47,477 I bye bye love I 1775 01:57:53,858 --> 01:57:56,236 I moondust will cover you I 1776 01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:02,409 I moondust will cover you I 1777 01:58:06,204 --> 01:58:09,124 I moondust will cover you I 1778 01:58:12,794 --> 01:58:15,338 I moondust will cover you I 1779 01:58:19,301 --> 01:58:21,720 I moondust will cover you I 1780 01:58:27,475 --> 01:58:29,936 I all is well I 1781 01:58:29,978 --> 01:58:32,480 I 20th century dies I 1782 01:58:32,522 --> 01:58:34,941 I toll the bell I 1783 01:58:34,983 --> 01:58:37,360 I pay the private eye I 1784 01:58:37,402 --> 01:58:39,821 I all is well I 1785 01:58:39,863 --> 01:58:42,115 I 20th century dies I 1786 01:59:03,595 --> 01:59:06,806 David: I think, I think it has something to do 1787 01:59:06,848 --> 01:59:09,851 with being able to reach the end of any one day 1788 01:59:09,893 --> 01:59:12,729 and feel that you took from it 1789 01:59:12,771 --> 01:59:16,858 and gave back to it as much as possible. 1790 01:59:18,318 --> 01:59:20,528 I hate to waste days. 1791 01:59:29,245 --> 01:59:32,207 I've just been feeling a lot more comfortable 1792 01:59:32,248 --> 01:59:34,334 with life, and myself, and my writing 1793 01:59:34,376 --> 01:59:36,002 and everything as the years go by, 1794 01:59:36,044 --> 01:59:38,254 so it's... I just happen to be in a great place. 1795 01:59:38,296 --> 01:59:39,964 I'm really lucky in that way. 1796 01:59:40,006 --> 01:59:41,424 'Cause I look at some of my mates, 1797 01:59:41,466 --> 01:59:43,385 and some contemporaries, 1798 01:59:43,426 --> 01:59:46,554 and I know some of them feel, I don't know, tired, or bitter, 1799 01:59:46,596 --> 01:59:48,473 or you know, a number of things 1800 01:59:48,515 --> 01:59:51,935 that traditionally are supposed to go 1801 01:59:51,976 --> 01:59:53,269 with getting older, you know? 1802 01:59:53,311 --> 01:59:54,646 And I've just been very fortunate 1803 01:59:54,688 --> 01:59:56,356 that it just hasn't happened to me. 1804 01:59:56,398 --> 01:59:59,150 I just feel really... I'm pretty keen on everything. 1805 02:00:00,694 --> 02:00:02,529 I've just landed on my feet. 1806 02:00:02,570 --> 02:00:06,032 I've done and do everything I've always wanted to do, 1807 02:00:06,074 --> 02:00:07,701 you know? 1808 02:00:07,742 --> 02:00:08,742 That's been... 1809 02:00:09,994 --> 02:00:11,955 Interviewer: That's a great thing. 1810 02:00:11,996 --> 02:00:13,349 David: Oh, it's extraordinary. It really is extraordinary. 1811 02:00:13,373 --> 02:00:14,457 I've an incredible life. 1812 02:00:15,625 --> 02:00:17,460 It's been amazing. 1813 02:00:17,502 --> 02:00:19,170 I would love to do it again. 1814 02:00:22,132 --> 02:00:26,010 I was determined, ever since I was 16, 1815 02:00:26,052 --> 02:00:27,971 that I would have the greatest adventure 1816 02:00:28,012 --> 02:00:30,765 that any one person could ever have. 1817 02:00:30,807 --> 02:00:33,351 And I set my sails in the general direction 1818 02:00:33,393 --> 02:00:35,687 of uncharted waters. 1819 02:00:35,729 --> 02:00:38,273 I put myself through everything... 1820 02:00:38,314 --> 02:00:41,234 Absolutely everything, that came along. 1821 02:00:41,276 --> 02:00:45,613 It was very important for me to expand my horizons 1822 02:00:45,655 --> 02:00:47,282 and seeing just how... 1823 02:00:47,323 --> 02:00:49,743 Just how near to the line I could get. 1824 02:01:30,784 --> 02:01:33,036 I've been so eclectic all my life. 1825 02:01:33,077 --> 02:01:36,039 I've been admiring of so many different people 1826 02:01:36,080 --> 02:01:38,082 and so many different things that they've done, 1827 02:01:38,124 --> 02:01:41,878 I feel that I owe so many for the way that I think 1828 02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:42,920 and do things. 1829 02:01:44,297 --> 02:01:47,926 I guess anybody who's had the integrity 1830 02:01:47,967 --> 02:01:50,345 to kind of always work outside of the system, 1831 02:01:50,386 --> 02:01:52,514 has always appealed to me. 1832 02:01:52,555 --> 02:01:55,767 Whenever I'm teetering on sort of what I know 1833 02:01:55,809 --> 02:01:58,561 is what I do best, and what I really feel for, 1834 02:01:58,603 --> 02:02:00,772 and there's an area that I think that, 1835 02:02:00,814 --> 02:02:03,066 well, an audience I know would like this, 1836 02:02:04,067 --> 02:02:05,860 I just remember back 1837 02:02:05,902 --> 02:02:09,864 to how much I hate the center of the social strata, 1838 02:02:09,906 --> 02:02:12,075 how I hate being drawn into the middle, 1839 02:02:12,116 --> 02:02:14,410 to the middle of the road of anything, 1840 02:02:14,452 --> 02:02:17,205 to that which is most popular. 1841 02:02:17,247 --> 02:02:19,249 And if... the other thing I would say is that 1842 02:02:19,290 --> 02:02:22,043 if you feel safe in the area that you're working in, 1843 02:02:22,085 --> 02:02:23,795 you're not working in the right area. 1844 02:02:23,837 --> 02:02:26,047 Always go a little further into the water 1845 02:02:26,089 --> 02:02:28,007 than you feel you're capable of being in. 1846 02:02:28,049 --> 02:02:29,968 Go a little bit out of your depth, 1847 02:02:30,009 --> 02:02:31,469 and when you don't feel 1848 02:02:31,511 --> 02:02:33,271 that your feet are quite touching the bottom, 1849 02:02:33,304 --> 02:02:34,573 you're just about in the right place 1850 02:02:34,597 --> 02:02:36,015 to do something exciting. 1851 02:02:44,941 --> 02:02:46,359 Let me tell you one thing. 1852 02:02:47,777 --> 02:02:51,114 All people, no matter who they are, 1853 02:02:51,155 --> 02:02:53,700 they all wish they'd appreciated life more. 1854 02:02:56,202 --> 02:02:59,163 It's what you do in life that's important, 1855 02:02:59,205 --> 02:03:02,458 not how much time you have, or what you wish you'd done. 1856 02:03:45,209 --> 02:03:50,006 I something happened on the day he died I 1857 02:03:50,048 --> 02:03:54,260 I spirit Rose a meter then stepped aside I 1858 02:03:54,302 --> 02:03:58,973 I somebody else took his place and bravely cried I 1859 02:03:59,015 --> 02:04:01,851 I I'm a blackstar I 1860 02:04:01,893 --> 02:04:05,813 I 000000... I 1861 02:04:26,376 --> 02:04:28,461 There is no beginning, no end. 1862 02:04:29,879 --> 02:04:31,506 And all at once, 1863 02:04:31,547 --> 02:04:34,550 the outward appearance of meaning is transcended, 1864 02:04:34,592 --> 02:04:38,096 and you find yourself struggling to comprehend a deep 1865 02:04:38,137 --> 02:04:39,931 and formidable mystery. 1866 02:04:41,808 --> 02:04:42,850 I'm dying. 1867 02:04:44,102 --> 02:04:46,437 You are dying. 1868 02:04:46,479 --> 02:04:49,816 Second by second, all is transient. 1869 02:04:51,067 --> 02:04:53,820 Does it matter? Do I bother? 1870 02:04:55,154 --> 02:04:56,990 Yes I do. 1871 02:04:57,031 --> 02:04:59,033 Life is fantastic. 1872 02:04:59,075 --> 02:05:01,160 It never ends. It only changes. 1873 02:05:02,328 --> 02:05:05,540 Flesh to stone to flesh. 1874 02:05:05,581 --> 02:05:07,291 And round and round. 1875 02:05:09,002 --> 02:05:10,878 Best keep walking. 1876 02:05:42,785 --> 02:05:46,789 I the sun machine is coming down I 1877 02:05:46,831 --> 02:05:49,542 I and we're gonna have a party I 1878 02:05:49,584 --> 02:05:51,544 I uh-huh huh I 1879 02:05:51,586 --> 02:05:55,381 I the sun machine is coming down I 1880 02:05:55,423 --> 02:05:58,176 I and we're gonna have a party I 1881 02:05:58,217 --> 02:05:59,761 I uh-huh huh I 1882 02:05:59,802 --> 02:06:03,556 I the sun machine is coming down I 1883 02:06:03,598 --> 02:06:06,517 I and we're gonna have a party I 1884 02:06:06,559 --> 02:06:08,144 I uh-huh huh I 1885 02:06:08,186 --> 02:06:11,856 I the sun machine is coming down I 1886 02:06:11,898 --> 02:06:14,692 I and we're gonna have a party I 1887 02:06:14,734 --> 02:06:16,360 I uh-huh huh I 1888 02:06:16,402 --> 02:06:20,406 I the sun machine is coming down I 1889 02:06:20,448 --> 02:06:24,577 I whoa ho uh-ha I 1890 02:06:24,619 --> 02:06:28,748 I the sun machine is coming down I 1891 02:06:28,790 --> 02:06:31,209 I whoa ho uh-ha I 1892 02:06:32,835 --> 02:06:36,923 I the sun machine is coming down I 1893 02:06:36,964 --> 02:06:41,010 I whoa ho uh-ha I 1894 02:06:41,052 --> 02:06:44,931 I the sun machine is coming down I 1895 02:06:44,972 --> 02:06:47,600 I whoa ho uh-ha I 1896 02:06:47,642 --> 02:06:49,310 I na-na-na I 1897 02:06:49,352 --> 02:06:52,939 I the sun machine is coming down I 1898 02:06:57,151 --> 02:07:00,822 I the sun machine is coming down I 1899 02:07:05,118 --> 02:07:08,913 I the sun machine is coming down I 1900 02:07:08,955 --> 02:07:11,457 I and we're gonna have a party I 1901 02:07:13,084 --> 02:07:16,796 I the sun machine is coming down I 1902 02:07:16,838 --> 02:07:19,507 I and we're gonna have a party I 1903 02:07:21,092 --> 02:07:24,387 I the sun machine is coming down I 1904 02:07:24,428 --> 02:07:27,181 I and we're gonna have a party I 1905 02:07:28,891 --> 02:07:32,228 I the sun machine is coming down I 1906 02:07:32,270 --> 02:07:34,730 I and we're gonna have a party I 1907 02:07:36,691 --> 02:07:40,153 I the sun machine is coming down I 1908 02:07:40,194 --> 02:07:42,572 I and we're gonna have a party I 1909 02:07:44,448 --> 02:07:47,743 I the sun machine is coming down I 1910 02:07:47,785 --> 02:07:50,204 I and we're gonna have a party I 1911 02:07:52,123 --> 02:07:55,835 I the sun machine is coming down I 1912 02:07:55,877 --> 02:07:57,837 I and we're gonna have a party I 1913 02:07:59,839 --> 02:08:03,259 I the sun machine is coming down I 1914 02:08:03,301 --> 02:08:05,511 I and we're gonna have a party I 1915 02:08:07,346 --> 02:08:10,516 I the sun machine is coming down I 1916 02:08:10,558 --> 02:08:13,102 I and we're gonna have a party... I 1917 02:08:29,368 --> 02:08:31,162 I hey, now now I 1918 02:08:34,373 --> 02:08:36,209 I goodbye love I 1919 02:08:39,462 --> 02:08:44,342 I didn't know what time it was, the lights were low-ow-ow I 1920 02:08:44,383 --> 02:08:49,138 I I leaned back on my radio-o-o I 1921 02:08:49,180 --> 02:08:52,850 I some cat was iayin' down some rock 'n' roll I 1922 02:08:52,892 --> 02:08:54,060 I "lotta soul" he said I 1923 02:08:56,604 --> 02:09:01,067 I then the loud sound did seem to fade-Ade-Ade I 1924 02:09:01,108 --> 02:09:05,863 I came back like a slow voice on a wave of phase-ase-ase I 1925 02:09:05,905 --> 02:09:10,493 I that weren't no dj, that was hazy cosmic jive I 1926 02:09:14,372 --> 02:09:19,627 I there's a starman waiting in the sky I 1927 02:09:19,669 --> 02:09:22,004 I he'd like to come and meet us I 1928 02:09:22,046 --> 02:09:24,298 I but he thinks he'd blow our minds I 1929 02:09:24,340 --> 02:09:29,345 I there's a starman waiting in the sky I 1930 02:09:29,387 --> 02:09:31,389 I he's told us not to blow it I 1931 02:09:31,430 --> 02:09:33,766 I 'cause he knows it's all worthwhile I 1932 02:09:33,808 --> 02:09:37,561 I he told me let the children lose it I 1933 02:09:37,603 --> 02:09:39,855 I let the children use it I 1934 02:09:39,897 --> 02:09:42,108 I let all the children boogie I 1935 02:09:58,833 --> 02:10:03,504 I I had to phone someone so I picked on you-ou-ou I 1936 02:10:03,546 --> 02:10:08,175 I hey, that's far out, so you heard him too-oo-oo I 1937 02:10:08,217 --> 02:10:13,222 I switch on the TV, we may pick him up on channel two I 1938 02:10:15,391 --> 02:10:20,187 I look out your window, I can see his light-ight-ight I 1939 02:10:20,229 --> 02:10:24,692 I if we can sparkle he may land tonight-ight-ight I 1940 02:10:24,734 --> 02:10:26,360 I don't tell your poppa I 1941 02:10:26,402 --> 02:10:29,405 I or he'll get us locked up in fright I 1942 02:10:33,451 --> 02:10:38,581 I there's a starman waiting in the sky I 1943 02:10:38,622 --> 02:10:40,833 I he'd like to come and meet us I 1944 02:10:40,875 --> 02:10:43,127 I but he thinks he'd blow our minds I 1945 02:10:43,169 --> 02:10:48,174 I there's a starman waiting in the sky I 1946 02:10:48,215 --> 02:10:50,426 I he's told us not to blow it I 1947 02:10:50,468 --> 02:10:53,596 I 'cause he knows it's all worthwhile, he told me I 1948 02:10:53,637 --> 02:10:58,559 I let the children lose it let the children use it I 1949 02:10:58,601 --> 02:11:01,145 I let all the children boogie I 1950 02:11:01,187 --> 02:11:05,107 I starman waiting in the sky I 1951 02:11:05,149 --> 02:11:07,401 I he'd like to come and meet us I 1952 02:11:07,443 --> 02:11:09,570 I but he thinks he'd blow our minds I 1953 02:11:09,612 --> 02:11:14,533 I there's a starman waiting in the sky I 1954 02:11:14,575 --> 02:11:16,744 I he's told us not to blow it I 1955 02:11:16,786 --> 02:11:18,829 I 'cause he knows it's all worthwhile I 1956 02:11:18,871 --> 02:11:22,583 I he told me let the children lose it I 1957 02:11:22,625 --> 02:11:24,960 I let the children use it I 1958 02:11:25,002 --> 02:11:27,129 I let all the children boogie I 1959 02:11:36,347 --> 02:11:39,600 I la, la, la, ia-ia I 1960 02:11:39,642 --> 02:11:44,188 I la, la, la la, la, la, ia-ia I 1961 02:11:44,230 --> 02:11:48,859 I la, la, la la, la, la, ia-ia I 1962 02:11:48,901 --> 02:11:53,447 I la, la, la la, la, la, ia-ia I 1963 02:11:53,489 --> 02:11:58,077 I la, la, la la, la, la, ia-ia I 1964 02:11:58,119 --> 02:12:02,623 I la, la, la la, la, la, ia-ia I 1965 02:12:02,665 --> 02:12:07,253 I la, la, la la, la, la, ia-ia I 1966 02:12:07,294 --> 02:12:11,757 I la, la, la la, la, la, ia-ia I 1967 02:12:11,799 --> 02:12:16,303 I la, la, la la, la, la, ia-ia I 1968 02:12:16,345 --> 02:12:21,100 I la, la, la la, la, la, ia-ia I 1969 02:12:21,142 --> 02:12:25,604 I la, la, la la, la, la, ia-ia I 1970 02:12:25,646 --> 02:12:29,150 I la, la, la la, la, la, ia-ia. I 1971 02:12:37,616 --> 02:12:38,701 I oh yeah I 1972 02:12:42,580 --> 02:12:43,580 I mmmm I 1973 02:12:49,712 --> 02:12:53,466 I still don't know what I was waitin' for I 1974 02:12:53,507 --> 02:12:56,427 I and my time was running wild I 1975 02:12:56,469 --> 02:12:58,804 I a million dead-end streets and I 1976 02:12:58,846 --> 02:13:01,932 I every time I thought I'd got it made I 1977 02:13:01,974 --> 02:13:06,562 I it seemed the taste was not so sweet I 1978 02:13:06,604 --> 02:13:11,025 I so I turned myself to face me I 1979 02:13:11,066 --> 02:13:15,237 I but I've never caught a glimpse I 1980 02:13:15,279 --> 02:13:19,158 I how the others must see the faker I 1981 02:13:19,200 --> 02:13:22,536 I I'm much too fast to take that test I 1982 02:13:22,578 --> 02:13:24,413 I ch-ch-ch-ch-changes I 1983 02:13:24,455 --> 02:13:26,957 I turn and face the strange I 1984 02:13:26,999 --> 02:13:29,543 I ch-ch-changes I 1985 02:13:29,585 --> 02:13:32,171 I don't want to be a richer man I 1986 02:13:32,213 --> 02:13:34,006 I ch-ch-ch-ch-changes I 1987 02:13:34,048 --> 02:13:36,342 I turn and face the strange I 1988 02:13:36,383 --> 02:13:39,053 I ch-ch-changes I 1989 02:13:39,094 --> 02:13:41,347 I there's gonna have to be a different man I 1990 02:13:41,388 --> 02:13:44,350 j“ time may change me I 1991 02:13:44,391 --> 02:13:47,019 I but I can't trace time I 1992 02:13:47,061 --> 02:13:50,689 I I said that time may change me I 1993 02:13:50,731 --> 02:13:53,901 I but I can't trace time. I 1994 02:14:12,294 --> 02:14:13,712 David: Well you know what? 1995 02:14:13,754 --> 02:14:15,839 This has been an incredible pleasure, 1996 02:14:15,881 --> 02:14:19,134 and, uh, you were really interesting. 1997 02:14:19,176 --> 02:14:20,862 I didn't know those things you were telling me 1998 02:14:20,886 --> 02:14:23,138 about yourselves. It's nice to have met you. 1999 02:14:23,180 --> 02:14:25,307 I'm glad we did finally meet at last. 2000 02:14:25,349 --> 02:14:28,185 And all I can say is, I goodbye I 2001 02:14:28,227 --> 02:14:31,313 I goodbye we'll meet again I 2002 02:14:31,355 --> 02:14:32,898 I some time I 2003 02:14:32,940 --> 02:14:36,569 I somewhere fa-ta-ta ta-ta-ta-ta I 2004 02:14:36,610 --> 02:14:37,610 I ta-da. I 144360

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