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[ominous music]
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♪
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[heavy chords]
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[male voice] Mary Pascarella
was the lead psychic
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who investigated the house.
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Mary
is a professional psychic,
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a time walker who picked up on
some truly terrifying things.
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She said it was the first time
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she had ever
encountered something
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she could only describe
as pure evil.
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[female voice]
People say this is a hoax.
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It's done for money.
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But let me tell you,
you never sign
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a contract with the devil.
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This house chooses victims.
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[male voice] We just wanted
to get the house fixed
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so we could move back in.
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[female voice]
I began to say my prayers.
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And I was saying
the Our Father.
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And as I was saying
the Our Father,
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I looked out at the door,
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and I had the impression
of a young person.
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I hope this is as close to hell
as I'll ever get.
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[ominous music]
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[female voice]
George and Kathy,
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whatever happened
to them in the house,
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they got the kids,
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they left all
their furnishings,
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all their clothing,
everything in the house
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and just ran.
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They went to a motel
for that first night.
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After Kathy
and I left the house,
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we came to the conclusion
that Ronald DeFeo,
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physically,
he did the murders,
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but spiritually,
emotionally, no,
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I don't believe that he's,
in a pure sense, responsible.
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There's no doubt in my mind
that he was influenced
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by that house
and that he was controlled,
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at least for a point.
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It would further the tragedy
sitting in jail
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for six consecutive
life terms.
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[Carol]
I didn't like William Weber.
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He was writing a book
about the DeFeo murder.
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Through friends of ours,
we met William Weber,
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sat down and spoke with him.
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[Carol] He wanted George and
Kathy to put their story
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along with his story
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so that it seemed
like Ronald DeFeo
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was into devil worship,
or there was something
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in the house that caused him
to kill his whole family.
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[female voice] In the 1970s,
the thought that the devil
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could possess somebody
became a very big deal.
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In December of '75,
Ronnie DeFeo
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had just been convicted,
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just two, three years
after The Exorcist.
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Mr. Weber says, listen,
these people named
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the Lutzes bought your house.
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And we can use them
and make money.
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I said,
what are you talking about?
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He tells me, look,
we got The Godfather
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and The Exorcist
all in one hand, Ronnie.
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We're gonna make big,
big money.
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[dramatic orchestral music]
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[reporter] The devil
knocks off the mafia.
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The old box office champ,
The Godfather,
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is being flattened
by that movie
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about diabolical possession,
The Exorcist.
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♪
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Could you give us your
reaction to the movie, please?
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Could you give us
your reaction to the movie?
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It's something else.
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- All glory to God.
- Great.
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Disgusting.
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[interviewer] It was disgusting
in what way?
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It was just morbid.
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Just all the gory,
the blood and all.
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It was
a traumatic experience.
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[interviewer]
Didn't you like it?
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It was--yeah,
it was very interesting.
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- Why?
- Because it might be real.
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You know, I get to thinking
that, you know,
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something like that
might transpire,
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you know, around here.
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I don't know.
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[Laura]
People who were agnostic,
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people who were atheists
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went into that movie
and came out
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and were sleeping
with the lights on
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and wearing crucifixes,
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whether or not
they were religious or not.
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Everybody went to see this.
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So here's William Weber,
a defense attorney,
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coaching the Lutzes
on what they could say and do
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to play up this haunted thing.
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[soft music]
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But when the Lutzes
gave a press conference
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in William Weber's office,
it was more notable,
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that press conference, for
everything they didn't say.
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The Lutzes did not claim
that they saw, heard, or felt
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the ghosts of the dead DeFeos.
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They didn't say
it was something demonic.
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In fact,
the Lutzes were very ambiguous
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about what happened.
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So the reporters were left
with more questions
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than answers, which might
be a smart marketing strategy.
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Leave them wanting more,
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and people will leap
to fill the void.
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[narrator] He tries to
communicate by psychic force
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with the plant world.
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The plant in question
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is a rather wan
split philodendron,
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which Vogel has hooked up
to a polygraph machine.
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Here, Peter Hurkos,
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a psychic investigator,
is attempting to help
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a metropolitan police
department
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by looking into the past.
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He does this by receiving
images from the murder weapon,
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hoping to reconstruct
the crime.
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He was hired to help find
the Boston Strangler,
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did police work
on the Charles Manson murders.
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Like a suitcase.
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She was stabbed
to death five times.
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[narrator] What you have
just seen is part
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of an astounding collection
of psychic phenomena,
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demonstrations
of the powers of the mind.
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At the time
that the Lutzes held
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the joint press conference
with William Weber,
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I had been assigned
to produce a series
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on the supernatural
and paranormal at Channel 5
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by the news director.
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So I'm seeing this story
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when it was reported in
the Long Island Press Newsday.
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It was fairly local.
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[ominous music]
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Oh, wow,
a real-life haunted house
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that we could actually visit?
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There was no way
that this was not going
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to be a big ratings grabber.
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So at that point, nobody knew
how to reach the Lutzes.
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They were not living
at Ocean Avenue anymore.
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[Carol]
After they left the house,
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the Lutzes moved permanently
into Kathy's mother's house.
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If I hadn't been sitting there
and seeing how different
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George was, I would have
been a little skeptical
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about what was going on.
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He wasn't the same happy,
carefree person
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that he was before.
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He seemed really broken,
totally broken.
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Seeing the way he was,
I knew something happened,
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something had had
to have happened to him
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for him to change like that.
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The way they got it
out of their system was,
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they made audiotapes
of each day of what happened,
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every little detail.
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They didn't want
to retell it again and again.
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If they retold it,
it was like reliving it,
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and they didn't want
that to happen.
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They just got everything out
by putting it on the audiotapes.
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We just sat down
and did a series
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of about 26 cassette tapes,
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just talking
about what happened
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while we were in the house.
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On those tapes,
nothing was chronological.
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We skipped all around.
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Our language certainly
wasn't the best.
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We were drinking at times
when we were doing
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those recordings.
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By the time I left the house,
I was drinking pretty heavily,
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without a doubt.
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[Laura]
Nobody could find George,
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so I called
George's surveying company.
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And I said,
"Hi, my name is Laura DiDio,
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"and I work
for Channel 5 News,
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"and I have worked
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"with reputable
paranormal investigators
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like Hans Holzer,
Ed and Lorraine Warren."
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And I said, "I'd really like
to help them."
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[upbeat rock music]
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[Carol] George wanted
the parapsychologists
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to have seances in the house
to validate
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what happened in the house,
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that there really
were spirits there,
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that there really
was evil there.
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[reporter] The Warrens
have devoted 37 years
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to study of the supernatural.
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The School of Demonology
behind their Connecticut home
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houses a collection of what
Ed Warren calls unholy things
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of historic value.
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♪
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Laura DiDio convinced
the Warrens to come down
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and go through the house.
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[host] Our special guests
tonight
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are Ed and Lorraine Warren,
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who, in their 32 years
as ghost hunters,
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have investigated over 3,000
cases of haunted houses
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and demonic possession
and have been involved
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in numerous exorcisms.
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Now obviously,
you believe in ghosts.
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I don't think
it's a case of belief.
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I think it's a case
of the evidence.
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[Laura]
So I called them up.
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We set the date for March 6th
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to go into the house
and investigate.
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They were giving Channel 5
and myself the exclusive.
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[tense music]
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[Carol] George had asked me
to go to the airport
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and pick up
the parapsychologists
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that were flying in from Duke
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and take them
to the Amityville house.
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There was a noted psychic
with the team.
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I felt while we were driving
that this psychic
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was trying to find out
from me mentally
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what had happened
in the house.
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It was
a very strange experience.
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I'm sitting riding in a car.
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There's this man sitting
here not talking to me,
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wanting me to think
about the Lutzes.
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Finally, I got so fed up
with the whole feeling
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that, in my head,
I said, "Stop it."
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Like, I shouted it in my head.
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Right after that, this psychic
turned to me and said,
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"I'm sorry," out loud.
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And then I was convinced
that it was him.
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He was probing.
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He was trying to find out
what I knew about it,
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which he wasn't supposed
to know.
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When we went into the house,
it was jarring.
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So it looked like a nice
middle-class house,
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just that the people
were out for the day.
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Kathy had made--
and I'll never forget this--
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she had made
a gingerbread house
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for the kids for Christmas.
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And that was still
on the dining room table.
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All of the food was spoiling.
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[fly buzzing]
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[ominous music]
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[male voice] Laura DiDio
and the crew and I,
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we arrived around midnight.
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Parapsychologists from
Duke University were there.
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They had cameras set up
and different equipment
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to sense any paranormal
activity in the house.
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♪
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There was a crucifix
and a blessed candle
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to provoke whatever beings
were in that house.
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♪
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[indistinct whispering]
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[dramatic musical sting]
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♪
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Looks like a--
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a black shadow
that forms a hood.
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And it moves.
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And as it moves, it kind of--
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it says, "I feel
personally threatened."
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[eerie off-key notes]
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♪
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[panicked breathing]
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It's--I think it's--
whatever's here.
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[panicked breathing]
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Whatever is here is--
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[male voice] Is it trying
to harm them?
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Yes. And it's something
that comes at you
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and makes your heart speed up,
that kind of thing.
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[ominous music]
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♪
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[Marvin] Then Lorraine Warren
said, "Come on, Marvin.
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"We're going upstairs
to the sewing room,"
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which was the area which had
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the strongest
paranormal sense."
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♪
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Lorraine said to me,
"Marvin, this is the deepest,
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the closest to hell
I ever want to get."
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And she was quite serious
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and seemed quite concerned
in that moment.
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♪
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[Laura]
We went room to room.
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But when we went upstairs
to the third floor...
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♪
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...it was like
she walked into a wall.
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And she stepped right back.
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She said, "I can't go in here.
I can't go in here."
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I just feel an overwhelming
sense of oppression, dread.
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And that was Ronnie's bedroom.
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Lorraine sat down,
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and she had a headache
after that
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that stayed with her.
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There was a hush
that came over.
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[wood creaking]
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We had gotten to the point
where the house
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had began to affect me.
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And I had gotten up
on the stairs,
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and I called down to Ed,
and I said,
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"Ed, I'm as sick as a dog."
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So I said to Ed,
"I'm gonna lay down
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in the bed
for a little while."
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And as I was saying
the Our Father,
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I looked out of the door.
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There was a group
of figures standing
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outside of the door saying
the Our Father backward.
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The energy
in that house remains.
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It may take a hundred years
of our time,
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but it will implode again.
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[dog barking]
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That house is purely evil.
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[dog barking]
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We went back to the station.
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We cut the piece.
And it ran on the 10:00 news.
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♪
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The response was overwhelming.
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People just went wild
over this.
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♪
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We had great ratings
that night.
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Often, I'm asked
if I was scared
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during that night in the house
at 112 Ocean Avenue.
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No, I was not.
328
00:22:06,580 --> 00:22:09,330
When the investigators
were asked to come in,
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we hadn't told them
what we experienced.
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But they had no intention
of ever going back
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and investigating further.
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Their only suggestion was
to have the house exorcised.
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00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:30,470
♪
334
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,540
George lost a lot
of money with the house.
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00:22:42,740 --> 00:22:45,620
So I think financially, they
were not doing well at all.
336
00:22:49,450 --> 00:22:52,380
Weber, the DeFeos'
attorney, had asked us
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00:22:52,570 --> 00:22:54,030
to sign a book contract
with him,
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00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:56,380
and we refused
because he was gonna
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pay DeFeo 5% of proceeds
for murdering his family.
340
00:23:02,940 --> 00:23:05,780
Plus, he was gonna get
to say what we did
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00:23:05,980 --> 00:23:07,960
with the rest of our lives
with regard to the story,
342
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,690
and it was just beyond belief.
343
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,050
Our story was ours,
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00:23:14,250 --> 00:23:15,570
and we were not gonna
do a contract with him,
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00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:17,360
and we didn't want anything
more to do with that.
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00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,360
We weren't interested
in dealing with him.
347
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,410
And that was it.
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00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,580
♪
349
00:23:25,780 --> 00:23:27,370
I told them
that it was their story,
350
00:23:27,570 --> 00:23:31,070
and I felt that they shouldn't
have to go with William Weber,
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00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:34,370
that the whole haunting
or whatever happened
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00:23:34,570 --> 00:23:39,810
to them in the house was
not part of the murder story.
353
00:23:40,010 --> 00:23:43,600
And I happened to find the name
of a publisher in a book
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00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,650
that I was reading
about supernatural
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00:23:45,850 --> 00:23:47,870
because then was
interested in it.
356
00:23:48,060 --> 00:23:51,390
And I called up this publisher
in New York, Prentice Hall.
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00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:55,610
And because of the publicity
that was going on at the time,
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they agreed
to talk with the Lutzes.
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00:23:59,780 --> 00:24:03,450
So to George,
this looked like a good way
360
00:24:03,650 --> 00:24:09,020
of getting some money,
which I agreed with him.
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00:24:09,220 --> 00:24:13,460
If it was being publicized now,
just keep going with it.
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00:24:13,660 --> 00:24:16,850
If this is what happened,
you know the story.
363
00:24:17,050 --> 00:24:20,990
Then, the publisher got
the writer, Jay Anson.
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00:24:21,180 --> 00:24:24,640
And they took the audiotapes.
365
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,590
And that's where
The Amityville Horror came from.
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00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:35,780
We met with Jay Anson.
We spoke with him.
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00:24:35,980 --> 00:24:37,650
We gave him
the research materials
368
00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:40,610
we had done on the house
and some tapes
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00:24:40,810 --> 00:24:43,440
that Kathy and I had done
over the weeks
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00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,140
after we had left the house.
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00:24:46,340 --> 00:24:48,670
And said, "Look,
we're not gonna sit down
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00:24:48,860 --> 00:24:50,450
"to be interviewed about this.
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00:24:50,650 --> 00:24:51,710
"You can do what you can
from the tapes.
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00:24:51,910 --> 00:24:53,450
"But we're just not
gonna relive this.
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00:24:53,650 --> 00:24:55,240
"We've done it once,
and we're not doing it again.
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00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,360
We did it for the tapes."
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00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,550
[Jay]
Then I spoke to the priest,
378
00:25:00,750 --> 00:25:02,680
and I heard his story.
379
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,730
I was able to put together
a chronology of the events
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00:25:05,930 --> 00:25:09,470
that took place within
that framework of 28 days.
381
00:25:09,670 --> 00:25:12,560
I was convinced
there are things out there
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00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,300
that many people
cannot explain.
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00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:19,520
I sincerely believe
they took place.
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00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:25,750
♪
385
00:25:25,950 --> 00:25:28,360
[Carol] George told me
that he felt that
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00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:29,490
by staying in Long Island,
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00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:31,660
they were too close
to Amityville,
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00:25:31,860 --> 00:25:34,490
and he felt
that the further away he went,
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00:25:34,690 --> 00:25:39,100
the evil,
it couldn't come with him.
390
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:44,720
So they moved as far away from
the East Coast as they could.
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00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:51,630
♪
392
00:25:54,980 --> 00:25:59,990
[George] On Mother's Day of
1976, we landed in San Diego.
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00:26:01,690 --> 00:26:03,740
I sold my business.
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00:26:03,940 --> 00:26:05,660
We gave the house
back to the bank.
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00:26:05,850 --> 00:26:09,790
I couldn't stomach the idea of
selling it to another family.
396
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:12,100
[Kathy] I think I want my
family and my children
397
00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:15,230
much more
than I want a structure.
398
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:18,800
And if you view it
in that perspective,
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00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,240
it's easy to walk away from.
400
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,540
♪
401
00:26:25,740 --> 00:26:28,590
The book known as
The Amityville Horror
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00:26:28,790 --> 00:26:30,420
sold millions in hardcover,
403
00:26:30,620 --> 00:26:32,730
and it's doing likewise
in paperback.
404
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:35,550
When the book came out,
the whole family
405
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:38,560
was just living
off the proceeds of the book.
406
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,560
They were very happy about it.
407
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,740
George especially
was very happy about it
408
00:26:42,940 --> 00:26:44,780
because this was--
409
00:26:44,980 --> 00:26:48,610
helped financially for him,
which he needed it
410
00:26:48,810 --> 00:26:51,300
to take care of his family.
411
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:53,570
[female voice] Of course,
like a lot of people,
412
00:26:53,770 --> 00:26:55,790
I went out
and bought the book.
413
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:58,710
I remember reading pigs
flying outside of windows
414
00:26:58,910 --> 00:27:03,150
and swarms of flies coming in
and walls bleeding
415
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:06,590
and weird sounds coming
out of the ground
416
00:27:06,790 --> 00:27:07,980
in the backyard and stuff.
417
00:27:08,180 --> 00:27:10,630
And I was like, this is so--
this is ridiculous.
418
00:27:10,830 --> 00:27:14,810
[Joe] After I read the book, I
never talked to George again.
419
00:27:15,010 --> 00:27:16,730
I read it.
I put it down.
420
00:27:16,930 --> 00:27:18,730
I couldn't finish it.
421
00:27:18,930 --> 00:27:23,210
Oozing door locks,
levitation of his wife,
422
00:27:23,410 --> 00:27:27,690
stuff that I never saw
or heard in that house.
423
00:27:27,890 --> 00:27:29,650
Why did you come by tonight
to look at this house?
424
00:27:29,850 --> 00:27:31,440
To see what that book
was all about
425
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,340
and everything about the house.
426
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,490
It's a joke.
It's a joke, a complete joke.
427
00:27:37,690 --> 00:27:42,490
I mean, pigs flying around,
all these stupid stories.
428
00:27:42,690 --> 00:27:44,880
Someone's trying
to cash in here.
429
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:50,790
♪
430
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,850
[Jay] I truly believe that
they believe all these things.
431
00:27:56,050 --> 00:27:58,680
I was not there obviously.
432
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,470
They told me their story.
The priest told me his story.
433
00:28:01,670 --> 00:28:03,770
And I put it together
in repertory style.
434
00:28:03,970 --> 00:28:06,690
And I leave it up to you.
435
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:10,430
[Marvin] It was being sold
and promoted as a true story.
436
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:14,260
I saw nothing to substantiate
that word "true."
437
00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:17,870
But it was a good story,
and it was a big moneymaker.
438
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:19,660
[dramatic music]
439
00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:21,740
[voice] Get out!
440
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,400
[coughs]
441
00:28:27,310 --> 00:28:29,920
[George]
Anson sold the movie rights.
442
00:28:31,790 --> 00:28:33,760
Cut!
443
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,500
He didn't ask us
444
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:38,900
whether we wanted that
to happen or not.
445
00:28:39,090 --> 00:28:40,670
He just went ahead and did it.
446
00:28:43,020 --> 00:28:45,250
Then they came to us
and sent us contracts
447
00:28:45,450 --> 00:28:48,810
and said,
"We're gonna do your movie."
448
00:28:51,030 --> 00:28:54,130
[upbeat music]
449
00:28:54,330 --> 00:28:55,690
♪
450
00:28:55,890 --> 00:28:58,830
[reporter] The Amityville
Horror is one of the first
451
00:28:59,030 --> 00:29:01,480
motion pictures filmed
almost entirely in New Jersey.
452
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,700
♪
453
00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:08,790
[Carol] George went
to the set a lot.
454
00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:12,760
I don't think they really
wanted him there on set.
455
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:17,190
But he just loved the fact
that there were notable actors
456
00:29:17,390 --> 00:29:19,760
playing him and his wife.
457
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:20,940
He really enjoyed that.
458
00:29:21,140 --> 00:29:22,810
It was like a big deal,
459
00:29:23,010 --> 00:29:25,330
something totally
out of the ordinary
460
00:29:25,530 --> 00:29:27,730
that ever happened to him.
461
00:29:27,930 --> 00:29:29,950
Kathy, I felt at this time,
462
00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:31,950
was just concerned
about George.
463
00:29:32,150 --> 00:29:33,990
And if this was gonna
make him feel better--
464
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:36,170
because he was changing back.
465
00:29:36,370 --> 00:29:39,960
He was becoming
more self-confident.
466
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,740
He was happy with the fame,
to be part of it.
467
00:29:43,940 --> 00:29:45,960
So that's what he did.
468
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:52,320
♪
469
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,010
[interviewer] Well, the first
thing I've got to ask you is,
470
00:29:54,210 --> 00:29:56,190
do you believe
in demonic force?
471
00:29:56,390 --> 00:29:59,490
Um, hmm, good question.
472
00:30:00,970 --> 00:30:02,760
Uh...
473
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,630
Yeah--uh, no, yes.
474
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:11,600
♪
475
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,120
[Brolin]
I sat with George,
476
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,120
and I watched his eyes
as I talked to him
477
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,000
and asked him
a specific question,
478
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:21,390
looking for the liar
who would stare right at me,
479
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:23,390
look right at me,
and tell me a direct lie.
480
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:26,000
And as he'd answer a question,
I'd watch him think about it.
481
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,400
And as he'd tell me
about some of the things,
482
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,790
his voice would begin
to quaver a little.
483
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:32,010
Then he'd try
to regain composure.
484
00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:34,620
And I walked away saying,
this man believes
485
00:30:34,820 --> 00:30:37,400
that something went wrong
back there, you know.
486
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,670
[reporter] Twenty-eight states
in America accept the results
487
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:44,800
of polygraph tests
as legal evidence,
488
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,980
and the polygraph is now used
as a matter of course
489
00:30:47,180 --> 00:30:49,850
by the FBI and other
government agencies.
490
00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:52,420
Basically,
it monitors three things:
491
00:30:52,620 --> 00:30:56,380
cardiac activity,
breathing, and sweat.
492
00:30:56,580 --> 00:30:59,300
[ominous music]
493
00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:06,900
♪
494
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:08,870
[George] The movie company
was getting ready
495
00:31:09,070 --> 00:31:11,050
to release the movie,
496
00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:15,050
and they wanted to give each
of us a polygraph test.
497
00:31:15,250 --> 00:31:21,960
♪
498
00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:28,850
And these
are expensive tests.
499
00:31:29,050 --> 00:31:30,980
They were willing
to pay for it.
500
00:31:31,180 --> 00:31:32,850
And we said, "Get us the best
there is, and we'll do it.
501
00:31:33,050 --> 00:31:34,900
"Otherwise, we're not
interested in doing it
502
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:37,200
with someone
that just got out of school."
503
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,290
We were so very pleased
to have Chris Gugas come along
504
00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:42,690
and give us a polygraph test
505
00:31:42,890 --> 00:31:45,300
in his office
with Michael Rice.
506
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,690
♪
507
00:31:48,890 --> 00:31:50,650
Chris Gugas, he was
considered number two man
508
00:31:50,850 --> 00:31:54,090
in the world at the time.
509
00:31:54,290 --> 00:31:56,140
He had taught
the use of the polygraph
510
00:31:56,340 --> 00:31:58,010
throughout the world
for the armed forces
511
00:31:58,210 --> 00:32:00,490
and for their
intelligence people.
512
00:32:00,690 --> 00:32:02,140
He had been
instructed personally
513
00:32:02,340 --> 00:32:05,490
by the head guy at the FBI.
514
00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:07,930
Among other things, he was
accepted in California courts
515
00:32:08,130 --> 00:32:09,440
as a witness.
516
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:12,370
It was a long process.
517
00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:15,110
It's not like you walk in,
strap on the machine, and go.
518
00:32:15,310 --> 00:32:17,720
You have to agree
to the questions.
519
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,460
He had five questions.
They have to be yes or no.
520
00:32:20,660 --> 00:32:22,990
And, you know,
you get one shot
521
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:25,160
at doing this thing right.
522
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,940
One of the questions was,
did you levitate?
523
00:32:30,030 --> 00:32:33,380
One of the questions was, did
Kathy turn into an old woman?
524
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:38,700
[Larry King] And you answered
them all and went sailing
525
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:40,090
past the polygraph.
526
00:32:40,290 --> 00:32:43,650
[George] Absolutely.
We passed the test.
527
00:32:44,740 --> 00:32:46,490
Later, those findings
were published
528
00:32:46,690 --> 00:32:49,930
in theNational Star
of all things.
529
00:32:50,130 --> 00:32:52,500
[Larry] Well, George, you
know, people who are lying
530
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:54,930
usually don't agree
to a polygraph.
531
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:56,630
That's for damn sure.
532
00:32:56,830 --> 00:32:58,980
[lion roars]
533
00:32:59,180 --> 00:33:05,940
♪
534
00:33:17,510 --> 00:33:20,000
Many of the people attending
this invitation-only showing
535
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,310
of The Amityville Horror
gave it rave reviews.
536
00:33:22,510 --> 00:33:25,180
And you can judge
for yourself this weekend.
537
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:27,010
[reporter]
Last night, there was
538
00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:29,530
a gala sneak preview showing.
539
00:33:29,730 --> 00:33:31,190
[reporter] This was
a private screening
540
00:33:31,390 --> 00:33:32,800
ofThe Amityville Horror,
541
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,190
based on the best-selling
book by Jay Anson.
542
00:33:35,390 --> 00:33:36,980
Anson attended
the screening accompanied
543
00:33:37,180 --> 00:33:39,200
by the film's producer
and one of the stars
544
00:33:39,390 --> 00:33:41,200
of the picture, James Brolin.
545
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,460
[announcer] Twenty-eight days
after the Lutz family
546
00:33:43,660 --> 00:33:45,030
moved into their dream house,
547
00:33:45,230 --> 00:33:47,160
they were running
for their lives.
548
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,030
What happened to them
is an experience in terror
549
00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:53,860
you will never forget.
550
00:33:54,060 --> 00:33:57,210
The Amityville Horror,
rated R.
551
00:33:57,410 --> 00:33:58,430
[Roger] IsThe Amityville
Horror for real?
552
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:59,560
I don't know,
and I'm not planning to go
553
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,040
to Amityville and find out.
554
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,780
What I can say, though,
is that the movie
555
00:34:02,980 --> 00:34:04,050
is not very much fun.
556
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:05,480
Maybe it wasn't meant to be.
557
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,140
Oozing slime is hardly
ever entertaining.
558
00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:10,360
But the way the Lutzes
are relentlessly persecuted
559
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,790
by their haunted house
is finally just repetitive,
560
00:34:12,990 --> 00:34:15,010
boring, gruesome,
more than a little depressing.
561
00:34:15,210 --> 00:34:17,620
I was going to say, who
would want to see this movie?
562
00:34:17,820 --> 00:34:20,370
But millions of people
already have gone to see it.
563
00:34:20,570 --> 00:34:24,020
It's a big hit
at the box office.
564
00:34:24,220 --> 00:34:27,070
[male voice] Horror doesn't
have to be good.
565
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:29,160
Even horror
which is critically panned
566
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,460
can be really powerful.
567
00:34:31,660 --> 00:34:33,470
The Amityville Horror
sticks in the mind.
568
00:34:33,670 --> 00:34:36,250
And I think that's what's
given it its longevity,
569
00:34:36,450 --> 00:34:38,080
not any kind of conception
of quality,
570
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,300
but its ability for moments
or ideas to kind of resonate
571
00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:46,210
and stick with people
for decades.
572
00:34:47,470 --> 00:34:49,400
The great moment where one
of the Lutzes' children
573
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,750
ends up with a hand smashed
by the sash window,
574
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:55,050
and they're desperately trying
to pull it back in,
575
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:57,230
but the two men
can't lift the window.
576
00:34:57,430 --> 00:35:00,280
The glowing eyes
that appear outside the window
577
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,100
on the second floor.
578
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:04,110
Lots of people mention that
as something that they see,
579
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:06,110
watching the film
for the first time,
580
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:08,550
as being something that really
sort of stays with them,
581
00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:10,850
and I think because it speaks
to a very deep-seated fear
582
00:35:11,050 --> 00:35:12,330
of, like, you see something
out of the corner
583
00:35:12,530 --> 00:35:14,160
of your eye at night.
584
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,210
The oozing staircase
and the bleeding wall,
585
00:35:17,410 --> 00:35:19,510
where suddenly it seems
like the entire environment
586
00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:22,300
is coming apart at the seams.
587
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:24,690
Green slime, what was that
on the wall in the movie?
588
00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:26,300
George, did that happen?
589
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:28,960
As the movie did it,
not exactly, no.
590
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,700
- Do you believe them?
- Do I?
591
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:33,920
Yeah, when I'm sitting here
with them, yes, I do.
592
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,270
It's hard to deny
a lot of the facts.
593
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:39,270
[ominous music]
594
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:46,180
♪
595
00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:54,720
Watching the Lutzes
on Good Morning America
596
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,380
really drives home
the importance of saying,
597
00:35:58,580 --> 00:36:00,470
"This is based
on a true story."
598
00:36:00,670 --> 00:36:02,730
Somebody tells you a scary
story about a haunted house,
599
00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:03,820
you go, eh, that's fine.
600
00:36:04,020 --> 00:36:05,300
That's just a scary story.
601
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:09,350
But someone tells you
about it on the morning news,
602
00:36:09,540 --> 00:36:12,220
and the people are right there,
and the actor is right there,
603
00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:14,610
you see this collapse
of the distinction
604
00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:17,610
between the truth
and entertainment.
605
00:36:20,260 --> 00:36:22,580
[male voice]
Rosemary's Baby,
606
00:36:22,780 --> 00:36:25,970
The Exorcistand The Omen
607
00:36:26,170 --> 00:36:28,280
are referred to
as the unholy trinity.
608
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,150
All three of these films
involving Satanism
609
00:36:31,350 --> 00:36:34,200
and the supernatural
and the occult present
610
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,230
an attack
on the American family.
611
00:36:39,450 --> 00:36:42,380
In Rosemary's Baby,
she's pregnant.
612
00:36:42,580 --> 00:36:43,510
It's a nice, young couple.
613
00:36:43,710 --> 00:36:45,640
They move
into a new apartment.
614
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,210
And then they realize
that she has no control
615
00:36:48,410 --> 00:36:50,170
over the antichrist spawn
616
00:36:50,370 --> 00:36:52,380
that she is now
bringing to bear.
617
00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:57,960
And so this represents
the dread of what it means
618
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,660
to be a woman in society,
of the loss of control
619
00:37:01,860 --> 00:37:03,960
over your own body
and what eventually becomes
620
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,790
of your child.
621
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:09,270
In The Exorcist,where it's
a single-parent household,
622
00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:11,190
and it is an adolescent child,
623
00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:14,060
an adolescent daughter,
Regan MacNeil,
624
00:37:14,260 --> 00:37:16,460
going through puberty,
625
00:37:16,660 --> 00:37:18,460
new experiences
happening with her body
626
00:37:18,660 --> 00:37:21,370
that is going
to rebel against her mother.
627
00:37:21,570 --> 00:37:26,250
At the same time,
The Omenthat comes out in 1976
628
00:37:26,450 --> 00:37:31,210
is about a young couple that,
due to pregnancy mishaps,
629
00:37:31,410 --> 00:37:33,260
have to adopt a child.
630
00:37:33,450 --> 00:37:36,430
Little do they know that it
is also the spawn of Satan.
631
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:38,830
Thus, not only do you need
the transcendental authority
632
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:41,260
of the church,
you need some male force,
633
00:37:41,460 --> 00:37:43,270
represented
by Catholic patriarchy,
634
00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:46,090
to come in and save the day.
635
00:37:46,290 --> 00:37:49,520
[dramatic music]
636
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:55,450
[interviewer] Do you plan
to show the movie here?
637
00:37:55,650 --> 00:37:57,320
[male voice] No, we don't.
638
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,370
We've contemplated
every maneuver possible
639
00:38:00,570 --> 00:38:02,240
in the event that things
get out of hand,
640
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,370
changing the name
of the street,
641
00:38:04,570 --> 00:38:06,240
eliminating parking
along the hallway,
642
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,940
making the streets one-way.
643
00:38:08,140 --> 00:38:10,250
We've come up with a plan
just to have extra police
644
00:38:10,450 --> 00:38:11,950
down there
on a full-time basis
645
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:13,850
in unmarked cars
just to keep traffic moving.
646
00:38:16,940 --> 00:38:19,260
[reporter] It seems local
residents would retitle
647
00:38:19,460 --> 00:38:22,090
The Amityville Horror
The Amityville Nuisance
648
00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:23,520
because all it's done
is brought a lot
649
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,260
of unwelcome tourists,
sightseers,
650
00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:28,480
and a lot of extra traffic
to what used
651
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,310
to be a quiet
Long Island village.
652
00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:37,480
♪
653
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,980
Why did you come by tonight
to look at this house?
654
00:38:44,180 --> 00:38:45,540
To see what it was like.
655
00:38:45,740 --> 00:38:48,630
I guess, we just specifically
came from Chicago to see it.
656
00:38:50,670 --> 00:38:52,420
[female voice] It isn't a
house that we want to sell.
657
00:38:52,620 --> 00:38:54,860
It's a house we feel
we're being forced to sell
658
00:38:55,060 --> 00:38:58,510
because of
The Amityville Horror.
659
00:38:58,710 --> 00:39:00,300
[reporter] In the two years
the Cromarty family
660
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:02,170
has lived here,
they tell us they
661
00:39:02,370 --> 00:39:04,560
have never noticed anything
strange or supernatural
662
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,300
taking place.
663
00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:09,530
[Barbara] But we feel now
we have to give up.
664
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:11,310
We need a night's sleep.
665
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:12,570
[male voice] That people have
nothing better
666
00:39:12,770 --> 00:39:14,360
in the world to do
667
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,930
than to come and gape
or do stupid things.
668
00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:21,190
[police siren wailing]
669
00:39:21,390 --> 00:39:23,150
[radio chatter]
670
00:39:23,350 --> 00:39:30,060
♪
671
00:39:38,460 --> 00:39:39,210
[male voice] When the film
first came out,
672
00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:41,600
I was like ten or so.
673
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,170
We went to go see a movie
with the babysitter.
674
00:39:45,370 --> 00:39:48,560
And in a different theater
down the hall,
675
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,180
The Amityville Horror
was showing.
676
00:39:51,370 --> 00:39:53,570
I told the babysitter
I needed to go to the bathroom
677
00:39:53,770 --> 00:39:56,960
and went out
678
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,740
and went
inside the other theater.
679
00:40:01,570 --> 00:40:03,410
This is a movie
about my family,
680
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:08,190
and I was seeing
this reaction from a crowd
681
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:10,720
as they're watching
the Amityvillemovie.
682
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,810
And it was just,
like, surreal.
683
00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:17,550
♪
684
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:20,640
And it was like,
this is what the world
685
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,820
came to think was my story.
686
00:40:24,020 --> 00:40:26,730
♪
687
00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:29,390
Here I was, a little kid
with a New York accent
688
00:40:29,590 --> 00:40:31,740
in a California public school
with the same name
689
00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:33,390
as in the movie.
690
00:40:33,590 --> 00:40:36,560
It didn't take long for kids
to figure out who I was, so...
691
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,400
I tried to tell them
what happened if they asked.
692
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,490
And then it was like,
"Well, that's not what
693
00:40:45,690 --> 00:40:48,100
was in the movie.
You're a liar."
694
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:49,410
I was like, what?
695
00:40:49,610 --> 00:40:54,630
♪
696
00:40:54,830 --> 00:40:57,630
And then, at one point,
they went on a world tour
697
00:40:57,830 --> 00:40:58,450
talking about it.
698
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,870
The next one is this.
This is really strange.
699
00:41:15,070 --> 00:41:16,910
Now, if you look closely
at this photograph here,
700
00:41:17,110 --> 00:41:18,480
now, that's--you can't
really see it too well here,
701
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,480
but that's a little boy.
702
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,440
And who is he supposed to be?
703
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,010
[George] We don't know
who he is actually.
704
00:41:25,210 --> 00:41:26,620
But Missy knows him,
our daughter.
705
00:41:26,820 --> 00:41:28,710
When she saw the picture,
which was discovered
706
00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:31,140
now two weeks ago, she said,
"That's the little boy
707
00:41:31,340 --> 00:41:33,180
I used to always talk to."
708
00:41:36,450 --> 00:41:41,460
[Christopher] They even had
put us into a Catholic school.
709
00:41:41,660 --> 00:41:43,540
They dropped us
in The Orphanage.
710
00:41:45,930 --> 00:41:47,730
That was a tough thing, man.
711
00:41:47,930 --> 00:41:50,560
You know, the other kids
in The Orphanage were like,
712
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,470
"Your parents aren't
coming back for you,
713
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:54,560
just like they left us
here too."
714
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,520
You know, it was definitely...
715
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:00,820
a hard time.
716
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:08,530
[Carol] I asked Kathy a couple
of times about the children,
717
00:42:08,730 --> 00:42:11,620
and she told me
that she was trying
718
00:42:11,820 --> 00:42:14,750
to shelter them
from everything
719
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:17,360
that was going on.
720
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,760
When I look back on it now,
I feel for the children.
721
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,070
I didn't think, at that point,
they were being sheltered.
722
00:42:26,270 --> 00:42:28,060
It was just too public.
723
00:42:31,850 --> 00:42:33,770
I'm Jackie Stone,
724
00:42:33,970 --> 00:42:35,990
and this is supposedly
where it all happened.
725
00:42:36,190 --> 00:42:38,340
The DeFeo, Lutz,
or Cromarty house--
726
00:42:38,540 --> 00:42:39,870
depending
on how you look for it--
727
00:42:40,070 --> 00:42:41,610
the site
of the Amityville Horror
728
00:42:41,810 --> 00:42:42,820
or the Amityville Hoax.
729
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:45,570
Do you believe
it is a horror or hoax?
730
00:42:45,770 --> 00:42:46,960
It's a hoax.
731
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,400
So you don't
believe it at all?
732
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,220
- Not at all.
- Definitely a hoax.
733
00:42:50,420 --> 00:42:51,750
Why?
734
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:54,140
Well, I've been a longtime
resident of Amityville,
735
00:42:54,340 --> 00:42:57,320
and there's never
any incident of this type
736
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:58,710
at any time in that home.
737
00:42:58,910 --> 00:43:01,020
I think it was just
a moneymaking bracket
738
00:43:01,220 --> 00:43:03,240
that somebody put together
with a lot of brains.
739
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,370
You know, they saw a good chance
to make a lot of money,
740
00:43:05,570 --> 00:43:06,980
so they put a film together,
741
00:43:07,180 --> 00:43:08,630
and now they're
making millions.
742
00:43:08,830 --> 00:43:09,900
[interviewer] Do you believe
that all that
743
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:12,160
- really happened here?
- Yeah, I believe it.
744
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,600
I believe. I believe
in the devil. [laughs]
745
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,600
As far as we're concerned,
the Amityville hoax
746
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:18,990
is the real horror.
747
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:20,730
Whether or not
it was a hoax or a horror,
748
00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:22,560
you'll have to decide that
for yourself.
749
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,040
♪
750
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:27,740
[Christopher]
People were coming to think
751
00:43:27,940 --> 00:43:30,390
that it was a hoax.
752
00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:34,620
I knew that Mom
and George had, like,
753
00:43:34,820 --> 00:43:36,570
given the recordings over
to Jay Anson
754
00:43:36,770 --> 00:43:38,650
and that Anson wrote the book.
755
00:43:40,310 --> 00:43:43,410
But I had never heard
the tapes.
756
00:43:43,610 --> 00:43:45,630
All I know is that
this is what
757
00:43:45,830 --> 00:43:49,020
he went around the world
promoting
758
00:43:49,220 --> 00:43:51,190
and thought it was fine.
759
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:00,210
Like, let me tell you a story
about that photo
760
00:44:00,410 --> 00:44:04,210
taken during
the Warren investigation.
761
00:44:04,410 --> 00:44:07,610
That photo has circulated
all around the world
762
00:44:07,810 --> 00:44:10,090
and all over the internet now.
763
00:44:10,290 --> 00:44:11,960
But here's the thing.
764
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,660
You'll notice that head
that's sticking out
765
00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:17,880
of that doorway--
attached to that head,
766
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,840
it's a plaid shirt.
767
00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:23,880
And it's consistent with the
same shirt as the photographer
768
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,620
that's taking these photos.
769
00:44:25,820 --> 00:44:29,320
♪
770
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,580
And so it's not some spirit.
771
00:44:34,580 --> 00:44:37,640
It's the picture
of the photographer.
772
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:44,020
♪
773
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:50,520
I never liked
that he felt that it was fine
774
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:53,700
to add fiction to it.
775
00:44:53,890 --> 00:44:56,870
It really pissed me off.
776
00:44:57,070 --> 00:45:00,140
♪
777
00:45:00,340 --> 00:45:03,880
Because there's enough
to the story
778
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,140
that anybody
that has a real sense
779
00:45:06,340 --> 00:45:10,710
of what paranormal
activity is,
780
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:12,930
there's enough here.
781
00:45:13,130 --> 00:45:14,970
There's no need to pepper it
with any bullshit.
782
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:21,160
[interviewer]
Is this fact or fiction?
783
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,940
Fiction, absolutely.
784
00:45:24,140 --> 00:45:25,730
So this story evolved
over dinner with the Lutzes
785
00:45:25,930 --> 00:45:26,990
and a bottle of wine.
786
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:29,820
I think it was
about three bottles of wine.
787
00:45:30,020 --> 00:45:31,950
Yes, about three bottles
of wine.
788
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:34,690
[interviewer] So the story grew
with each bottle of wine.
789
00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:36,380
Each bottle
became a better story.
790
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:40,700
I told them
there were flies found
791
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:42,740
in the house where the body
of the older sister
792
00:45:42,940 --> 00:45:44,700
was discovered.
793
00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:48,830
From those flies, they created
a complete supernatural scene.
794
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:54,580
And there was
a greenish-black substance
795
00:45:54,780 --> 00:45:56,980
around many of the doorknobs.
796
00:45:57,180 --> 00:45:59,880
They were the result
of fingerprint powders.
797
00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:04,200
So we took
real-life incidences,
798
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,810
and then we transposed them.
799
00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:08,940
Green slime
was actually spaghetti
800
00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:12,300
that had been splashed
on the wall at a time
801
00:46:12,490 --> 00:46:16,430
when Mr. DeFeo supposedly had
hit his wife in the kitchen
802
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:19,300
while she was carrying
a plate of spaghetti.
803
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:21,740
There were times
when one of the DeFeo
804
00:46:21,940 --> 00:46:25,740
or a neighbor's kitten
would jump on Dawn's window.
805
00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:27,880
And just taking
that little incident,
806
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:34,010
we developed it into a pig
appearing at the window.
807
00:46:34,210 --> 00:46:36,010
We could sit here
for three weeks.
808
00:46:36,210 --> 00:46:38,890
And I'll keep telling you
each time, it's a fraud.
809
00:46:39,090 --> 00:46:40,890
[dramatic musical sting]
810
00:46:41,090 --> 00:46:48,370
♪
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