All language subtitles for Waco The Aftermath s01e04 Conspiracy.eng

[Rocket]
Now, listen to this one.

"The way scum like you helps
people like David Koresh,

I hope all your children
die of, uh..."

sheesh.

Okay. Let's stay focused here,
can we?

[Doug] Why do you insist
on reading that crap?

In case one of these maniacs
puts a bullet in my head

like they all say
they're gonna.

Give the cops
a good place to start.

Yeah, I'm not sure
they'd try too hard

to solve a case
of the cop-killer defenders.

-[Rocket] Oh, yeah.
-That's a dark thought.

-Well...
-Shouldn't we be getting

-security or something?
-[Jocelyn] Don't worry.

I'll protect you from those
big mean letter writers.

See, guys?
Nothing to worry about.

Jocelyn's got our backs.

[Doug] Let's get back to it.

[Rocket] Wait.

-Fan mail?
-[Dan] What do you think...

-Really?
-Yeah.

-[Dan] ...about that?
-"Dear fine sirs...

I have been very..." all caps,

"...interested in your case
defending those Davidians.

There are lots of people like me
watching to see how this goes.

Thank you for being
such good patriots."

[Dan] Well, this is nice,
isn't it?

Let's see. I'm going bankrupt.

My wife who I haven't seen
in over a month

just filed for divorce.
I'm living in squalor.

I'm getting about three hours
of sleep every night

to fight a losing case
for a bunch of people

who don't even like me,

but when I hear the praises
of adoring fans

like Tim McVeigh,

makes it all worth it,
doesn't it?

Now, can we get back to work?

tense music plays

theme music plays

[Pappy]
You say you love America,

but would you die for it?

Would you kill for it?

I mean, some things
are worth fighting for.

[people chattering]

[Pappy] I wanna talk today

about making ourselves ready,

emotionally steeling ourselves

for the coming war.

The war against White America!

-[murmuring]
-[Pappy] I want you to picture

what that's gonna be like.
Picture...

the tanks rolling up our drives,

adrenaline coursing
through your body.

I want you to picture yourself
with your gun in your hand

-and your kids behind you.
-[baby crying]

[Pappy] And I want you
to picture that again,

and again, and again

until it become real to you.

So that when the time comes,

you won't hesitate
to pull the trigger.

[baby crying]

[Pappy] Because having the nerve
to pull the trigger

is precisely what...

[whispers] His granddaddy
founded the Nazi party.

-[Carol] No shit.
-[Pappy] ...protect our home...

I'd steer clear of 'em.

He's not the kind of guy
you wanna mess with.

[Pappy] ...to protect
our God-fearing way of life!

We've heard it said
that David Koresh believed

he was preparing,

planning for a great war.

Did he ever express
those beliefs

when he purchased
these guns from you?

I didn't deal with David,

but I was aware
of the philosophy, yes.

Who did you deal with?

I dealt almost exclusively
with Paul Fatta.

And you're referring
to defendant Fatta

seated behind counsel over here?

[man] Yes.

[Bill] Did Mr. Fatta
seem knowledgeable

when it came to guns?

[man] Inside and out.

And how many guns
did Paul Fatta

purchase from you?

About $90,000 worth.

[Bill] Exhibit 103.

Can you tell us what this is

and where you found it?

We found it in the compound,

in the chapel.

And what type
of weapon is this?

[Ranger Boak]
It's an M-16 rifle.

I carried one in Vietnam

for 11 months
and seven days.

Because it's a military weapon

built for war?

[Ranger Boak] That's right.

Now, Ranger Boak,

you've testified about finding
a lot of evidence here.

Tell me this.

Did you also happen to locate
the building's front doors?

No, sir.

Help me out here.

You were able to find
this BIC lighter

but not two seven-foot doors?

No.

Why not?

It must've burned
with the rest of the building.

Burned? Both front doors?

[Ranger Boak] That's right.

Uh-hmm.

[Bill] But in the months
leading up to the ATF's arrival

at Mount Carmel,

what did you observe
regarding their inventory?

We observed
a dramatic increase

in their stockpile
of weapons.

So, they were buying guns

but not selling them?

[man] Correct.

[Dan] I only have two questions.

In your years
of observation and research,

did the Davidians ever obtain
a weapon illegally?

Not to my knowledge.

[Dan] Okay.

And just one more thing.

In your examination
of all the evidence,

I don't reckon you saw
those pesky missing front doors,

did you?

Lieutenant Caldwell,

could you tell us
what the Mag Bag was?

[Lt. Caldwell] The Mag Bag was
a small tract of land

located on Farm Road
outside of Waco.

It was where Mr. Koresh
and Mr. Fatta received shipments

of weapons,
ammunition, gun parts.

[Bill] And had you had
any previous interactions

with David Koresh or Paul Fatta

that would lead you
to believe...

-Objection! Objection! Approach?
-...that was the possibility?

Judge, this is
a transparent attempt

to bring up my client,
Paul Fatta's past,

which is
entirely out of bounds.

It's germane
to this case, Your Honor.

-Okay.
-Mr. Fatta and Mr. Koresh

both have a previous charge
of conspiracy to commit murder.

And the fact that
he and his compatriots

tried to kill a man
in cold blood

absolutely informed the ATF's
decision-making process...

You mean
your decision-making process.

...when they decided to stage a
dynamic entry into Mount Carmel.

Paul Fatta wasn't even there
when the tanks rolled in.

He wasn't there a single day
of the standoff.

It doesn't matter
if he wasn't there.

And if Mr. Johnston
wants to prove

that there was some conspiracy,

he should do it
with relevant evidence

and not unfounded accusations
from the '80s.

Mr. Fatta is
a defendant in this--

Stop.

I have already ruled
on this, Mr. Johnston.

Yes, Your Honor.

The defendant's previous charges

are not in the purview
of this case.

Objection sustained.

Thank you. Thank you.

You can't keep all
your skeletons in the closet.

Neither can you, fucko.

No further questions.

Your witness.

I only have one question.

You wouldn't happen to know
where the front doors

from Mount Carmel ended up,
would you?

No? Okay.

dramatic music plays

[phone ringing]

Can I do for you, George?

We're gonna settle this now.

[Vernon] Settle what?

[George] Who's the real prophet.

We're gonna see
who can bring her back.

Bring who back?

My mother.

Your lies put her
in the ground.

I just took her out.

What are you talking
about, George?

What do you mean
you took her out?

[George] I dug her up.

You dug up Lois's body?

Why would you do that?

Whoever can raise my momma
from the dead...

will be the next true prophet
of Mount Carmel.

[snickers]

[Vernon] Sheriff,

what do you mean
you can't do anything?

George dug up
his own dead mother!

-It's an abomination!
-Look, Vernon.

I drove by Mount Carmel
after you called.

I didn't see any dug-up bodies.

George told me himself!

Yeah, George says
a lot of crazy things.

Unless you have actual evidence

of corpse abuse
or some other crime,

there's not much
that I can do.

Maybe the best course of action
is for y'all

to stay away from Mount Carmel.

Just leave George Roden be.

He's the one that called me!

I think he's fixing
to come after us.

Well, then you might wanna think

about getting something
to defend yourself with.

[chattering indistinctly]

[news reporter]
Mr. Cogdell. Mr. Cogdell.

Do you think it's the doors
that prove who shot first?

I do.

But, but those doors
are also a symbol

for all
the questionable behavior

the Federal government
has taken part in.

Listen, listen.

The ATF shows up
with more cameras

than a Hollywood blockbuster,
but there's no footage.

They lose power at the morgue
so no autopsies can be done.

Christ, they bulldozed
the whole crime scene

and then they bleached it
for good measure.

This is what happens
when you have the architect

of a government raid,

the man who demanded the ATF

go in with a hard entry,
also prosecuting the same case.

[news reporter] You saying
there's some sort

-of government cover-up?
-No, I'm just saying

that Bill Johnston
has a vested interest

in convicting these people,
that's for damn sure.

I heard you with the press
saying I'm corrupt.

That's way out of bounds.

It's called zealously defending
my clients.

You can't win with the facts,

so you're trying
to turn this thing

into a government cover-up,

and you're dragging my name
through the mud to do it,

like I had
some ulterior motive.

I sanctioned that raid

because I was trying
to save those kids.

Save those kids
with a forcible entry?

I'm doing my job
the best way I know how.

Now, you don't agree
with it? Fine.

But let's fight fair, Dan.

You want me to fight fair?

You've got the public,
the press,

and the United States government
behind you.

And all I've got is a booth
at the Polo Lounge.

I'm not gonna play with one-hand
tied behind my back.

You want me to shut up?
Find those doors.

[door closes]

tense music plays

Listen, when the prosecutor
starts picking fights

with you in the hall, it means
you're doing something right.

Hmm.

Yeah, yeah, except...

Except what?

You've been watching
the forewoman?

Um...

juror number six?

She's the poison juror.

I can just tell.
She's itching to say the G-word.

Yeah. Well, that's why
we have 11 more

because all you need is one.

Jocelyn, you'd acquit
our clients, wouldn't you?

[scoffs] Hell no.

They're guilty as shit.

Just like their defense lawyers.

Ow. Ow.

Number six, she's the top dog.

-She could sway the rest.
-Listen, don't--

don't worry about number six.
I'm gonna focus on her.

I'm gonna make her feel
like the prettiest,

most special juror in the world.

[sighs]

Ask Jocelyn
if I can't sweet-talk

the legs off a chair.

Dan, if you were half as
charming

as you think you are,

you'd be
the best lawyer on earth.

-Ooh.
-[Jocelyn chuckles]

Is that flirting?
Is she flirting?

-No, that is not---
-Jesus, Gordon!

God. God!
I gotta put a bell on you.

Think I may have
an answer for you

on those front doors.

Whoa.
Is this Mount Carmel?

What is this, Gordon?
What am I looking at here?

[Gordon] This was taken
at 3:55 p.m.,

a couple hours
after the fire started.

And these are FBI agents

loading something into a truck.

Something about the size
and shape of a door.

Yeah, which was
so daggone important

that they had to grab it

while the building
was still smoldering.

[chuckles]

You crazy son of a bitch.

-This is it.
-That's it.

You think
these are the front doors

being loaded into this truck?

I do, Your Honor.

-This is absurd.
-[Dan scoffs]

That's not real evidence.

You can hardly see anything
in that photo.

I could say
they're loading Bigfoot

into the back of that truck.

-It's pretty blurry, Counselor.
-Well,

uh, either way,
the fact that the FBI

was loading anything
into the back of a U-Haul

while a building
is still smoldering

is information the jury
deserves to know.

Your Honor, the defense
has obtained a blurry photo

from a conspiracy theorist
who got it from who-knows-where.

How do you know
where I got it from?

It wasn't in discovery.

Are you spying on me?

-Judge?
-Cogdell,

get ahold of yourself.

Besides,

we have our own evidence
we'd like to submit

which will address
these ridiculous claims.

And what's that?

We found the door,
Your Honor.

The door? What door?

-What door?
-Yeah.

The one you've been asking
about non-stop.

The one you claim is gonna flip
this whole case on its head.

We're bringing it in.

Should put your concerns
to rest.

dramatic music plays

[Bill] May it please the Court,

the government
would like to offer

Government Exhibit Number 728.

Jesus, what a showman.

You hear
what he said earlier?

That a conspiracy theorist
gave us the photo?

Do you think they've got
the Polo Lounge bugged?

We found the door in Sector F,

approximately 40 feet
away from the building.

And did you realize
it was the front door?

[Ranger Boak] No, sir.

It was located so far away

from the front of the building

we classified it
as a piece of scrap metal.

And when did you come to realize

that it was the front door?

When we re-canvassed
the evidence warehouse yesterday

at your urging
and found it.

Now, does this door

appear to have
any bullet holes in it?

[Ranger Boak] No, sir.

So there is nothing here

that contradicts any
of the earlier ATF testimony

stating that the Davidians
fired first?

No.

Were you aware
that the cult compound

-originally had two front doors?
-[Ranger Boak] Yes.

We re-canvassed
for that one as well,

but didn't find it,
which wasn't surprising.

Why not?

It was still attached
to the building.

It melted
when the building burned.

Objection. Speculation.

The witness has
no first-hand knowledge

that the other door melted.

Uh-hmm. Sustained.

[Bill] All right.

Ranger Boak,

why do you believe
the other front door melted?

Because the doors
were aluminum with foam cores.

And it was subjected
to temperatures

in excess
of 1300 degrees Fahrenheit

during the fire.

Aluminum melts at 1200.

And why didn't this door melt?

You see those marks?

They're from
the treads of a tank.

And when the tanks penetrated
the compound entryway,

we believe the door
got caught in the treads

and was dragged
to the place that we found it.

Well clear of the fire.

[whispers] Could you go
get something for me?

Now, Ranger Boak,

you didn't realize
that this was a door initially.

Is that common,
to miscategorize evidence?

It's not common but it happens,

particularly if there's
a large volume of evidence.

Final question,
were you and the Texas Rangers

part of a massive conspiracy

headed by the Federal government
to hide this door?

I reckon not, sir.

[Bill] No further questions.

[Vernon] Sheriff said
we needed proof of, um,

what'd he call it?

-Corpse abuse.
-Corpse abuse

in order to do
anything about it.

Well...

what if we gave him some proof?

Like a picture?

We can't just go to Mount Carmel
and snap a picture.

George carries around an Uzi.

He's...

He's crazy.

I mean,
you heard the Sheriff,

he said we might need
to arm ourselves.

So what if we did?

All right.

We'll take, uh,
five of the Rugers

and, uh, throw in
some of them camo suits too.

You got it.

[truck engine revving]

We're here.

All right.

Everybody stay quiet
and stay close.

We're just getting a few photos
and then getting out.

All right?

tense music plays

[Vernon] Okay. Come on.

[panting]

[gasps]

-[panting]
-[camera clicks]

[George] Vernon!

suspenseful music plays

No. No, George.

[gunshots]

-[man] Go, go, go!
-[Paul panting]

[George] You're trespassing!

Sneaking around my property!

-[panting]
-[gunshots]

suspenseful music plays

-George, no!
-[gun ratchets]

-[gunshot]
-Ah!

Oh! Oh!

[groaning]

You all right?

Guess you got to learn
how to shoot.

Won't be the last time
we got to defend ourselves.

suspenseful music plays

[sirens blaring]

Beast is coming.

[deputy sheriff]
Drop your weapons!

On the ground!

[indistinct radio chatter]

ATF agents testified

that the Davidians shot first

and that those shots...

went through the front doors.

But the Davidians have stated
that it was the ATF

who shot at them
through those same doors.

But this door has
no bullet holes in it, correct?

Not that I see.

So it must be the other door,
the still-missing door,

that was shot through
and it would be the other door

that would prove which side
was telling the truth.

Yes. It-- it appears that way.

Well, that's bad luck, isn't it?

[clears throat]

Uh, a moment, Judge.

-Oh... shit.
-That's all I could find.

So, you believe
the other door melted.

-[Ranger Boak] Yes.
-Because it was made

of aluminum.

That's what I said.

And those guns
right there didn't melt

because they're made of steel,

which has a much higher
melting point?

[Ranger Boak] Yes.

So if the other door
was made of steel,

would it have melted?

No.

[Dan] Yet that door
seems awfully heavy.

Well, I mean, my daddy
was a contractor.

Uh, I'd help him demo houses.

We pulled down
a lot of aluminum doors.

I could carry one
under one arm.

Sure didn't take three men
to pick one up.

I--I couldn't speak to that.

[Dan] Well, then let me
ask you this, Ranger Boak.

Is aluminum magnetic?

Objection!

Ranger Boak is a lay witness,
not a metals expert.

I'll allow it.

No, it's not magnetic.

How about steel?

I believe so, yes.

So this refrigerator magnet,

would it stick to aluminum?

Um, no, it--it wouldn't.

tense music plays

[people murmuring]

Do you still believe
this door is made of aluminum?

No, sir, it looks
to be made of steel.

And if this door
is made of steel,

wouldn't it stand to reason
that the other door

it was attached to
was also made of steel?

The witness needs
to respond verbally.

Yes.

So then, Ranger Boak,

I'll ask you again...

where is the missing door?

[phone buttons clacking]

[phone ringing]

Oh, hey.

Do you--do you need
the phone?

Because I can wait,
it's not urgent.

[Gary on phone] Hello?

No, go ahead.

[Gary] Hello? Hello?

Hey, Daddy.

Oh, Carol.

Oh, it's so good
to hear from you.

-Are you safe?
-[Carol] Yeah, yeah.

I, I just wanted you
to know that,

that I made it
to my friend's place okay.

You know, I didn't--
I didn't want you to worry.

Yeah, that's good to hear
because I was worried.

Your mom
and I were both worried.

When do you think
we'll see you again?

[Carol] Uh, it's hard to say,
you know,

but I--but I should go
because there's someone

waiting on the phone,
so I, you know,

I just didn't want you
to think I got lost.

[Gary] Well, hey,
thanks for calling.

You called...

-[dial tone]
-Hmm.

Ah, that was Carol.

She's still in play.

You sure she's just not looking
to get more candy money?

What's your name?

I don't know you.

[Gary] Woo. Good girl.
You taught her well.

Okay, kiddo,
we're gonna get you to daycare.

[Dan] Government has charged
my clients with conspiracy.

They claim that Paul Fatta
was a blood merchant,

the architect
of some violent plot

when he was just a man
trying to run a business.

But after what we saw today
I can't help but wonder

if it's the government
who shouldn't be answering

for their actions,

if it's the government
who is conspiring against

my clients,
whose only crime was leading

a life the government
didn't agree with.

And now that same government
refuses to take responsibility

for its actions,
and in fact is willing to do

whatever it takes
to cover it up,

even if it means
hurting innocent people.

But that malfeasance,
that arrogance

has dangerous consequences

for my clients

and for the rest
of this country.

Lori Rae?

You're on the Waco jury, right?

What?

No, I don't wanna talk.

The Constitution
of the United States

gives jurors great powers.

I'm here to inform you
of your choices.

[Lori Rae] Please, leave!

Please!

I'm calling the police!

You can make the right choice.

-[pounds on wall]
-Please!

suspenseful music plays

[breathes heavily]

[mail slot clatters]

Before we get started,
I wanna make you all aware

of something,

five of our jurors
had letters delivered

to their homes this weekend
by a group called FIJA,

the Fully Informed
Jury Association.

Pamphlets claim

the rules of the court
don't apply to the jury

and they can make up
whatever verdict they see fit.

-To the jurors' homes?
-Yes.

One of the jurors,
juror number six,

said she
was practically accosted.

She's pretty shaken up
about it.

Any of you all familiar
with this group?

Are you asking us, Your Honor?

I'm asking everyone.

It just seems like
the implication

is that the defense
might benefit from this.

I think you're reading
into my question.

I'm not implying anything,
counselor.

I'm just concerned
that if-if the jury thinks

these people
are aligned with--

I will tell the jury
they have nothing to do

with anyone involved
in the trial.

That would be much appreciated.
Thank you.

So long as they believe
they can remain impartial.

-Let's get started.
-Thank you.

[door opens]

[Bill] Your Honor,
the government calls

Kathy Schroeder to the stand.

So you were a member
of this group,

a Branch Davidian?

[Kathy] I was. Yes.

[Bill] This must be
very hard for you

to testify
against your own people.

[Kathy] Yeah, it is.

[Bill] When the ATF arrived
on February 28th

to serve their warrant,

and a gunfight erupted,

were you tasked
with any kind of job?

Yes.

[grunts]

I was the one
who made sure that everybody

had a gun
and made sure that everybody

had the right ammunition
to go with it.

-No! They're gonna kill you.
-[Kathy] Why?

-I don't care!
-Give me that gun!

Give me that gun!

[Bill] And why were you
entrusted with this job?

I'd been in the Air Force.

So it was like
a military exercise?

[Kathy] It was something
we'd trained for.

[Bill] And the people
that you were passing out

these weapons to,
did they take them

-with the intent to use them?
-Objection. Speculation.

[Bill] I'll rephrase.

Was it your understanding
that the weapons would be used?

Absolutely.

And are some of the people
that you passed out

these weapons to here today?

Yes.

[Bill] Let's get specific.

During the raid,

did you have any contact
with Ruth Riddle?

[Kathy] I gave Ruth
a gun and nine mags.

[Bill] Can you identify
Ruth Riddle?

I'm sorry, Ruth.

[Bill] Let the record show
that Mrs. Schroeder

has identified Ruth Riddle.

What contact did you have
with Clive Doyle

concerning firearms?

I gave Clive the .308.

[Bill] Can you identify
Clive Doyle?

Did you have any contact
with Livingstone Fagan

concerning firearms?

[Kathy] Livingstone
was already carrying an AK,

so I just made sure he had ammo.

Did you have any contact
with Paul Fatta

concerning firearms?

[Kathy] Not on the day
of the raid,

but he purchased the guns.

[Bill] So David Koresh

instructed you to hand out

the weapons Paul Fatta purchased

to these defendants?

[Kathy] Yes.

We all had guns.
You get it? We all had guns.

We all--we all knew
what was coming.

David always said,
"If you can't kill for God,

you can't die for God."

And was David Koresh
willing to die?

[Kathy] Of course.

We all were.

We were the army of God.

Even, even David's name,

David Koresh,

that means "Beloved Death."

So... when David Koresh

believed he was dying
from his gunshot wounds,

was there a plan
in case he died?

We were supposed to carry David

out the front door
on a stretcher.

If he wasn't dead yet,

we were gonna shoot him
in the head.

And then we were supposed
to open fire on the FBI agents.

And why
would you want to do that?

[sighs]

To-to-to...

to draw their fire.
[sniffles]

So they'd kill us all.

See, you had to know
the real David.

He was never gonna surrender.

[whimpers] Sorry.

He was never gonna let us go.

[Bill] And how
did you know that?

[Kathy] Because...

he'd conditioned us.

Oh, he did.

[crying]

He conditioned us for years

to believe
that we were headed

for an armed showdown
with the--

with the forces of the Beast.

[Bill] The Beast?

From the Book of Revelation.

So,

when the ATF arrived
at your door,

you believed
they were those forces?

And you were ready
for battle.

Yeah, we were.

[Bill] And you were conditioned
to believe

that it would be a battle
to the death?

Yes.

[Bill] So, no matter
what the government did,

no matter how many chances
they gave the Branch Davidians

to come out of Mount Carmel,

you weren't coming out alive?

No.

dramatic music plays

[Terry] It's not too late,
you know.

We could pick a different place.

Bet most of those kids
never even heard of Waco.

We kill a bunch of kids,

who's to say
we're any better than the ATF?

-[phone ringing]
-Yeah. Hello?

[Alan] Gary, Sanborn here.

Oh hey, Alan, what's up?

[Alan] I need you on a plane
in a couple hours.

I passed off the negotiations
team to Hendricks.

It's not a negotiation.

I need you in Texas ASAP.

You're being called to testify
in the Waco trial tomorrow.

[sighs] What? The...

the prosecution
wants me to testify?

[Alan] No, the defense does.

-The defense? Why?
-[Alan] I don't know.

Maybe they caught wind
of your little meltdown

with the DOJ,
where you said Waco

was all the government's fault.

[Gary] That's not what I said.

Well, either way,

they want you
on the stand tomorrow.

[inhales deeply]
Jesus. No, I--no, no.

I don't have time
for that, Alan.

Can you make it go away?

[Alan] No, I cannot.
It's a Federal subpoena.

I-- This is bad timing, Alan.

I just got
a CI into Elohim City.

What?

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Who the hell gave you clearance
to send a CI in there?

I sure as hell didn't, Gary.

If that unauthorized CI
turns up dead,

your career is over.

I realize that.

That's why I can't leave
right now.

[Alan] I don't like
you testifying

any more than you do.

You go down there and you show
that you know how to play ball.

If you want support
out there in Oklahoma,

then you're gonna have to show
us that you are a team player.

[line cuts]

[sighs]

Are you stupid?

You had no right to do this
without talking to us.

This right here
is how you lose our whole case.

I'm sorry.
Were you in there just now?

Because Kathy Schroeder
just destroyed us.

Look, our whole case
is built on self-defense,

on the idea that the government
attacked the Davidians.

But the jury is not gonna give
a shit about that

if they think the Davidians
already had a death wish

and were gonna kill themselves
no matter what.

So our job,
our most important job,

is to show the jury
that our clients

were actual people,
people who wanted to live.

And that the choices
the ATF and the FBI made

are what resulted
in all those people dying.

We could put their friends
on the stand...

-[Dan] No, no.
-...their family.

Come on. Somebody's mama
ain't gonna convince the jury.

But if we can get a badge
up there and he says

that these were real people,
people who wanted to live...

then we're cooking with gas.

So, just to be clear,
you're gonna put

a professional negotiator
on the stand

and hope you can get him
to crack?

It's a Hail Mary at best.

Well, we need a Hail Mary

and we need it to connect
or we lose.

[engine roaring]

I am so tired of people
spreading lies about David,

especially when the lies
are coming from one of our own.

How could she say those things?

That we wanted this to happen?

We wanted all the people
we love to die?

-It's insane.
-Uh-hmm.

It's like letting Judas
write the Gospel.

I'm gonna testify.

Your lawyer
is letting you speak?

-Mine won't let me.
-Neither will mine.

I don't care.

I have a legal right
to testify if I want to.

-We all do.
-Uh, she's right.

It doesn't matter
that the lawyers said no.

Legally, they can't stop us.

And our lawyers
are not listening to us.

No one is listening to us.

So we have to make them listen.

I don't know.

We are good people.

Someone needs to say it.

We're not monsters.
David's not a monster.

The jury needs to hear
that David would never do

anything to hurt us.

He loved us.

-Someone should say something.
-Uh-hmm.

dramatic music plays

[Vernon grunts]

[sighs]

Hey, mama.

What the hell
were you thinking,

shooting at George Roden
like that?

-Well, they let me go.
-And if they didn't?

If they kept you in jail,
you think these friends of yours

would still be there
when you got out?

-God told me that--
-Oh, don't give me that crap!

They might buy
this whole messiah thing

you've been feeding them,
but I remember

when you were still pissing
your bed.

Stop!

[panting]

God speaks to me!

-Vernon?
-[Vernon] He didn't choose you!

He didn't choose Grandma!

He chose me!

Me!

-Vernon!
-[Vernon] Not anymore.

You gave me that name.

But God's got bigger plans
for me than you could ever

even thought of!

Just get in the car.

[sighs] God's given me
a new name.

David Koresh.

From now on,
you will call me by my name!

I will call you
by your given name!

Your real name!

David Koresh is
my real name!

Or do you think
you know better than God?

And is it God then who told you

to impregnate
Rachel's little sister?

What is she, 14?

[scoffs]
You were 14 when you had me!

[Bonnie]
And I remember what it felt

like to be
a 14-year-old mother.

You know how that felt?

Like I was too young!

[panting]

I follow where God leads

and if you can't get
with the program, then--

well, then you'll never see
these grandkids of yours.

How does that sound to you?
Is that what you want?

And they'll ask me, "Daddy,
why don't I have a grandma?"

And I'll say, "Oh, you do
have one out there somewhere,

but she always had to know best,
better than God."

Some souls just can't be led
to the spirit,

no matter how hard you scream
and shout at them.

Fine.

Just get back in the car.

Get back in the car what?

Get back in the car, please.

Get back in the car
please, David.

[crowd chanting]
They're coming for your guns!

They're coming
for your kids!

They're coming for your guns!

They're coming
for your kids!

They're coming for your guns!

They're coming
for your kids!

They're coming for your guns!

They're coming
for your kids!

They're coming for your guns!

They're coming
for your kids!

They're coming for your guns!

They're coming
for your kids!

They're coming for your guns!

-They're coming for your kids!
-[Gary] Is it always like this?

Been a circus since day one.

I've been telling them
we need more support,

especially after one
of the jurors was followed home.

-What?
-These guys are coming here

from all over the country.

[device beeps]

So, you gonna ask Noesner
about the missing door?

Yeah, probably.

Hey, where is everyone?

[Rocket] Hmm,
maybe the bus is late.

[Dan] Oh, shit.
Now what?

What's up?

It seems we got
a bit of a mutiny on our hands.

You're denying us
our constitutional rights.

We have a 6th Amendment right
to self-representation,

and you're denying us
that right.

Is this about testifying again?

This is about speaking
the truth!

We're, we're good people,
and we just want the chance--

Clive, we've talked
about this.

There's no way in hell
you're gonna testify.

[overlapping chatter]

[Clive] We already
have an opinion on--

[Dan] All right.
Stop. Stop! Stop!

[whistles]

You wanna testify?

You should know
what it's gonna be like.

Mr. Fagan, you were a follower
of David Koresh, correct?

-Yes.
-[Dan] Did you believe him

when he said
the end times were coming?

[Livingstone] Yes.

Is that why you were preparing
for battle?

A spiritual battle.

And were people gonna die
in this spiritual battle?

Yes.

Mr. Fagan,
have you ever shot anyone?

Mr. Fagan, you swore
on a Bible to tell the truth.

Now, I'll ask you again.
Have you ever shot anyone?

-Dan--
-No, no, no. They wanna do this.

Mr. Fatta, in 1988,
you were in a gun battle?

[scoffs] Yes.

[Dan] A battle led
by David Koresh,

for which
you were both arrested.

What crime
were you charged with?

-Attempted murder.
-Attempted murder!

You were prepared to kill
for Mr. Koresh, weren't you?

Because you would do
anything Mr. Koresh said.

It wasn't like that.

We made our own choices.

So you had free will?

-Yes.
-And what about you, Mr. Doyle,

-were you brainwashed?
-No.

So you made
your own choices as well?

-Yes.
-So you chose to let

your 12-year-old daughter
marry a 30-year-old man?

You don't understand...

-[Dan] And what about you?
-...what we--

[Dan] You knew
what was going on.

Did you say anything?

You have to know the Bible.

What about you?
Did you say anything?

Did you?
Or maybe you didn't care

because you had a son
instead of a daughter.

That's not fair!

You are all complicit.

You all saw, you knew,
and you didn't say anything.

Do you know
what the legal term

for these marriages
of David's is?

It's rape.

It wasn't rape!

It wasn't even sexual!

David married them

in order to have children!

Is that why he married
a ten-year-old girl,

because she was so fertile?

You are not guilty of the crime
you've been accused of.

And what the government did
at Mount Carmel

is an abomination.

But you're not innocent either.

And if you get up there
to testify,

that's all anybody
will be left with.

[sighs]

dramatic music plays

[singer] Everybody wants
to go to heaven

Everybody wants to go
to heaven

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