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- We call the defendant,
Laura Broder.
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- Please raise your right hand.
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Do you swear to tell the truth,
the whole truth,
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and nothing but the truth?
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- Ma'am?
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Do you swear to tell the truth,
the whole truth
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and nothing but the truth?
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- Truth, for Plato, is
absolute.
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It's objective.
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It transcends physical forms,
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indifferent to us mortals.
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Truth doesn't need us
to believe it.
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It just is.
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Thanks, guys.
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We'll see you all next week.
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- Here's the updated syllabus
with the new dates.
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You know, if you want,
I can make
the midterm revisions myself.
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- No. No, I got it.
- Okay.
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I think it's amazing
that you're teaching.
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- Well, it is my job.
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- No, yeah, of course.
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I, I just...
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it's only been two months
since your son passed.
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- Right.
Well, he didn't pass exactly.
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He was gunned down.
Along with eight other children.
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I'm...
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I'm sorry.
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[knocking]
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- Hey, bud.
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How are you doing?
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- It's just weird.
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Seeing his name.
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I don't know if I'm supposed
to like...
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delete it or what.
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- Yeah. I don't know.
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You don't have homework?
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What about your History essay?
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- No one's really gonna fail me
right now.
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[scoffs]
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- Okay.
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Well, if you wanna brainstorm,
I'm happy to.
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Or you can, you can... you can
talk it out with your mom.
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[sighs]
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Look, I know she's been tough
to reach lately,
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but she's here for ya, okay?
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She's picking me up.
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We're supposed to be
at the studio at 5:30.
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We should be back by 7.
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- She's doing another interview?
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- Well, it's something
she feels she need to do.
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She's just tryin' to...
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make sense out of all this,
you know?
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Jonah?
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- Yeah.
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Fine.
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- Hi.
- Sorry, I'm late.
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- We've got time.
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- I snapped at my TA
for no reason
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then I insisted
on buying him a coffee.
- Hm.
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How was your class?
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- Uh,
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used to be they were
all staring at their phones.
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Now they're staring at me
like I've got three heads.
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How's Jonah?
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- Maybe you should ask him.
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- What does that mean?
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- Nothing, just...
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he's still got
some assignments overdue
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and he might need your help.
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Maybe you could try to spend
some time with him?
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- I have been meaning to.
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- I know.
- I don't know
why it feels so hard.
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Joining us now via satellite
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Professor Laura Broder,
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whose 12-year-old son, Liam,
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was one of the nine children
killed
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when a fellow student opened
fire at Park Ridge High School
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in Lake Forest, Illinois.
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She's calling
on the State Senate
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to pass two pieces of gun
safety legislation
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currently being debated.
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Professor, thank you
for speaking with us today.
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- Thank you for having me.
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- Before we go any further,
what can you tell me about
your son?
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- Well.
He was a very special kid.
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When he grew up,
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he wanted to split his time
as a marine biologist
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and a professional
ice-cream maker.
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- You were kind enough
to share a photo.
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I understand he was quite
the expert on turtles.
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- Yes, turtles were
his favorite.
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Even when he was little.
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He would pull out fun facts
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mostly to bargain
for more screen time.
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"What's five more minutes?
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Turtles live 150 years."
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- This is obviously
an immensely difficult time.
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But yet you've chosen to speak
publicly and lobby for action.
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- Yes,
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shootings like these
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aren't natural disasters.
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They're preventable.
There are things we can do.
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And Senate Bill 83 would close
the gun show loophole
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and reinstate the ban
on assault rifles.
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Look, I...
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I can't bring back my son
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but I can do everything in my
power to prevent another one.
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So that no other parents
have to go through
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a nightmare like this.
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- And to those who deny
it happened altogether?
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I assume you're aware of the
hashtag "ParkRidgeExposed"?
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[scoffs]
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Professor?
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- Sorry, I...
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- This was posted
by a Joanna Pierce.
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One of the most vocal deniers.
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- Yes, I have seen
the so-called footage
with my own two eyes
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and you can see...
you can obviously see,
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when the kids start running out
of the building,
the tape doubles back.
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Twice.
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Like it's been doctored.
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And no one is talking
about that! No one!
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And lemme tell you,
these people who have hijacked
our country,
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the globalists, uh,
pedophiles, child traffickers,
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they have tentacles in every
pocket of the government, media
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and don't think for a
second
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they wouldn't have staged
something like this,
'cause they would.
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So they can come into my home
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and confiscate my guns
and violate
my Second Amendment rights?
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Uh-uh.
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Because these kids didn't die.
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[chuckles]
None of this is real!
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None of it!
It's not real.
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- As of this morning,
it has nearly a million views.
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Any response to her claim?
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- That was a total ambush.
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We were supposed to be talking
about the legislation.
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- I know, but you handled it
as well as you could have.
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- My God,
it really is everywhere.
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- Lo, there's a reason
we didn't look.
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- What the hell is she doing
amplifying this crap
on national television?
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I mean, it's completely
irresponsible.
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- Listen to me.
It's done.
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I'm proud of you.
I'm really upset about it too
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but there's nothing
we can do about it.
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- Look at this.
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- I understand the platforms
aren't liable,
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but there are still
laws against defamation, right?
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[door creaking]
- Mom. Food's here.
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- I'm sorry,
could you repeat that?
- It's gonna get cold.
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- Just start without me, okay?
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[sighs]
- Yeah.
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- First she wants to rewrite
the Second Amendment,
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now she's gonna sue
Mark Zuckerberg?
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- She was blindsided.
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You can understand that,
can't you?
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- Well, thanks to Article 230,
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apparently none of
the social media companies are
responsible
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for any of the content
on their sites.
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He did say that if they...
use Liam's image,
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we can flag that
as a copyright violation.
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- Well, that's something.
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- So it's our job
to go through this crap?
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It's illegal to use his image
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but saying that he never
existed, that's fair game?
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- This is what they do, Mom.
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These Covid truthers,
vaccine truthers.
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- Can we not call them
"truthers"?
- Call them whatever you want.
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Maybe check Twitter
before going on national TV.
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- Alright. Just take a breath.
- What's that supposed to mean?
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- I mean it wasn't exactly
a secret.
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- Wait, you knew about this?
And you didn't think to tell us?
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- I knew you'd do this.
- What?
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- "This?" What,
what am I supposed to do?
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- Ignore it, Mom,
like... like a normal person.
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This is how the internet works.
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- Yeah. I get that, Jonah.
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Okay. I'm not naive.
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But this is your brother.
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This is his memory.
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This is what comes up
when you search Liam's name.
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- Yeah, well somehow
I don't think he cares.
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- I'll talk to him.
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- No. I'll, I'll, I'll do it.
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I just...
I need a minute.
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It's like they're killing him
all over again.
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[door slamming shut]
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[Jonah pants]
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- Jonah!
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We need to be in there.
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We need to be strong for her.
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- No, this...
this is so messed up.
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I...
this is my fault.
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- Shh... shh... Okay.
It's alright.
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- I'm gonna be sick.
- It's okay.
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Look... look at me.
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We all made mistakes. Okay?
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All of us.
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[door closing]
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[theme music]
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- I'm having a hard time...
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...with all the uh, noise,
I guess.
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- How do you mean?
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- All these lunatics online
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claiming the whole thing
was staged.
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That no one really died.
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- That's disgusting.
- Unbelievable.
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- It's hard enough accepting...
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...that Liam's gone.
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But knowing that there are
people out there
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insisting
that he wasn't real?
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I've been...
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...wondering
what we might do.
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- Do?
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- We've been considering
publishing Liam's death
certificate online.
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- Well, we've been...
we've been talking about it.
- Well...
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Eric thinks I'm crazy.
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- I don't think you're crazy.
I just...
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I don't see the point of it.
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- What if we were to make
a statement together?
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Just something.
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It's not going away.
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If anything,
it's getting worse.
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And people are asking
why we're not saying anything.
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You know, like as if
we have something to hide.
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- People are monsters.
They're sick.
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- Some of them.
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But some of them
must be reachable.
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I mean, I tell my students
skepticism is healthy. Right?
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If people have questions
about what happened,
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I want to try
to answer them.
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With facts.
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With proof.
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Shouldn't we at least try?
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- I gotta admit...
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...I've been a junkie
for that conspiracy stuff
for as long as I can remember.
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Info Wars, Pizzagate,
you name it.
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I always figured, if there's
smoke there's fire, right?
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All fun and games till it's your
kid that's dead and buried.
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- Maybe Laura's right then.
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- You can't engage with trolls.
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They're cowards.
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Hiding behind a screen.
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- So what if we do it in person?
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I want them to look me
in the eye
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and tell me
that my son wasn't real.
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[soft music]
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[indistinct chatter]
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Has Gillian texted you?
[beeping]
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- They're not coming.
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Damnit.
- It's already ten after.
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- Okay. Okay.
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- You sure?
- Yeah.
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Hi, hi.
255
00:13:31,017 --> 00:13:32,915
Thank you all for coming.
256
00:13:33,053 --> 00:13:36,781
I know some of you have...
have travelled
quite a distance to be here.
257
00:13:37,195 --> 00:13:40,474
My name is Laura Broder.
This is my husband Eric.
258
00:13:41,441 --> 00:13:45,410
Our son Liam...
was one of the victims.
259
00:13:45,548 --> 00:13:48,241
This is Molly and Ben
Greenfield.
260
00:13:48,379 --> 00:13:50,899
Their daughter Allison
was also murdered.
261
00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:56,283
I know that there have been
a lot of theories
and misinformation online.
262
00:13:56,421 --> 00:14:00,667
I have brought evidence
of Liam's entire life.
263
00:14:00,805 --> 00:14:05,154
I have a hard copy
of his death certificate
if you want to see it.
264
00:14:06,569 --> 00:14:08,261
[sighs]
265
00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:10,366
Sorry, um...
266
00:14:11,505 --> 00:14:13,335
You know what?
267
00:14:13,473 --> 00:14:17,270
Any questions you have,
we'll... we'll just do our best
to answer.
268
00:14:18,996 --> 00:14:20,687
- Why were there no helicopters?
269
00:14:20,825 --> 00:14:23,621
Nine kids bleeding out and
no trauma helicopters called?
270
00:14:23,759 --> 00:14:26,175
- So the nearest hospital,
Lehigh Valley,
271
00:14:26,313 --> 00:14:27,763
they don't have helicopters.
272
00:14:27,901 --> 00:14:30,317
The ambulances were
on their way within minutes.
273
00:14:30,455 --> 00:14:32,561
Helicopters were called
when three of the victims
274
00:14:32,699 --> 00:14:34,666
needed to be transferred
to Chestnut Hill.
275
00:14:35,253 --> 00:14:37,221
- Why aren't you suing
the first responders?
276
00:14:37,359 --> 00:14:39,464
I read
it took them over an hour.
277
00:14:39,602 --> 00:14:42,295
- That's, that's not true.
They were here a lot faster
than that.
278
00:14:42,433 --> 00:14:44,366
And in, you know,
in Liam's case, for example,
279
00:14:44,504 --> 00:14:46,402
there's nothing
that could have been done so.
280
00:14:46,540 --> 00:14:49,578
- I'll be honest, I have
three of my own and...
281
00:14:49,716 --> 00:14:52,581
it feels like a new one
of these happen every week.
282
00:14:53,616 --> 00:14:55,446
And how can that be?
283
00:14:55,584 --> 00:14:57,620
How...
284
00:14:58,449 --> 00:15:00,692
Are there really
this many sickos
285
00:15:00,830 --> 00:15:04,248
who wanna pump bullets
into a bunch of kids, I just...
286
00:15:04,386 --> 00:15:07,734
I, I, I can't imagine it.
287
00:15:07,872 --> 00:15:10,254
- Yeah.
It's unimaginable.
288
00:15:10,392 --> 00:15:13,326
- Uh, what about
your maiden name?
289
00:15:13,464 --> 00:15:14,879
- Sorry?
290
00:15:15,017 --> 00:15:16,536
- Hi, Joanna Lynn Pierce.
291
00:15:16,674 --> 00:15:19,090
Executive reporter
for The Daily Inquest.
292
00:15:19,228 --> 00:15:22,714
Your maiden name.
Birkheimer, right?
293
00:15:22,852 --> 00:15:25,131
[clears throat]
- That's right.
294
00:15:25,269 --> 00:15:27,478
- You expect us to believe
that
295
00:15:27,616 --> 00:15:32,966
it's just a coincidence that
there's a Swedish lobbyist
named Laura Birkheimer
296
00:15:33,104 --> 00:15:36,866
who tried to outlaw firearms
in three European countries?
297
00:15:37,005 --> 00:15:38,454
[crowd whispers]
298
00:15:38,592 --> 00:15:41,078
- Uh, well,
I was born in Scranton.
299
00:15:41,216 --> 00:15:42,942
So, I can show you my passport.
300
00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,220
- Oh well,
passports can be faked.
301
00:15:45,358 --> 00:15:47,222
Let's see the room
where it happened.
302
00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,777
- I actually tried to get access
but the local police
wouldn't allow it.
303
00:15:50,915 --> 00:15:52,365
- Oh, and why is that, I wonder.
304
00:15:52,503 --> 00:15:55,402
I hear they're planning
to tear the whole thing down.
305
00:15:55,540 --> 00:15:58,647
What are they afraid
we'll find?
306
00:15:59,579 --> 00:16:02,168
- It's the site
of a mass murder.
307
00:16:02,306 --> 00:16:04,618
Where... where my son was killed
and eight...
308
00:16:04,756 --> 00:16:07,104
- Except he wasn't really
your son, was he?
309
00:16:07,242 --> 00:16:08,760
- Excuse me?
- Excuse me?
310
00:16:08,898 --> 00:16:11,073
- Do you have his adoption
papers in that box?
311
00:16:11,211 --> 00:16:12,972
- I'm sorry.
Excuse me.
312
00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:15,629
What the hell does his adoption
have to do with him
being murdered?
313
00:16:15,767 --> 00:16:17,804
- I'm just asking questions
here. You never wanted
your own?
314
00:16:17,942 --> 00:16:20,117
- They are my own.
315
00:16:21,152 --> 00:16:23,258
I have cervical stenosis.
316
00:16:23,396 --> 00:16:25,432
I had three miscarriages,
317
00:16:25,570 --> 00:16:27,469
the last one put me
in a hospital.
318
00:16:27,607 --> 00:16:29,505
Would you like to see
my medical records?
319
00:16:29,643 --> 00:16:31,404
- I would like to see
the coroner's report.
320
00:16:31,542 --> 00:16:33,268
Why was that never released?
321
00:16:33,406 --> 00:16:35,132
- Oh, for God's sake,
why the hell do you think?
322
00:16:35,270 --> 00:16:36,685
- Okay, Ben,
maybe we should go.
323
00:16:36,823 --> 00:16:38,307
- If you want us to believe
these kids are dead,
324
00:16:38,445 --> 00:16:39,895
let's see...
let's just see some proof.
325
00:16:40,033 --> 00:16:41,621
- You know what?
- Have some respect!
326
00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:43,588
- We're done here.
- They're already
in the ground.
327
00:16:43,726 --> 00:16:45,556
- Oh, well,
isn't that convenient?
- This is pointless.
328
00:16:45,694 --> 00:16:47,006
- How do you people
sleep at night?
- Let's go. Let's go.
329
00:16:47,144 --> 00:16:49,077
- Oh yeah, go, go.
Run. Run.
330
00:16:49,215 --> 00:16:52,494
Take your dirty money, get back
on that plane to Switzerland.
How 'bout that?
331
00:16:53,184 --> 00:16:56,291
- I'm sorry,
don't you mean Sweden?
332
00:16:56,429 --> 00:16:57,637
- Laura.
333
00:16:57,775 --> 00:17:00,157
- Because Swedish lobbyists
come from Sweden.
334
00:17:00,295 --> 00:17:01,744
- Oh, thank you, professor.
335
00:17:01,882 --> 00:17:05,093
Some of us didn't have
the luxury of a fancy education.
336
00:17:05,231 --> 00:17:07,233
But we're not suckers.
337
00:17:07,371 --> 00:17:08,786
We have eyes.
338
00:17:08,924 --> 00:17:10,650
We can see.
339
00:17:10,788 --> 00:17:13,032
You hear me?
340
00:17:14,205 --> 00:17:16,276
Did you get that?
341
00:17:18,796 --> 00:17:21,488
- No, I, I understand
there are protocols,
342
00:17:21,626 --> 00:17:23,628
but these people are insane.
343
00:17:23,766 --> 00:17:26,528
I mean, they're coming after me
any way they can.
344
00:17:26,666 --> 00:17:28,771
My inbox is a mountain
of hate mail
345
00:17:28,909 --> 00:17:32,051
and... and Eric has had to take
down his Yelp page altogether.
346
00:17:32,189 --> 00:17:34,570
This is clearly more
of the same.
347
00:17:34,708 --> 00:17:36,503
[phone beeping]
348
00:17:38,126 --> 00:17:41,888
Simon, uh, it's my husband.
I need to call you back.
349
00:17:42,026 --> 00:17:43,717
[line ringing]
Hey.
350
00:17:43,855 --> 00:17:45,650
You're not gonna believe this.
- Laura? Listen.
351
00:17:45,788 --> 00:17:47,997
- Someone filed an anonymous
sexual harassment complaint.
352
00:17:48,136 --> 00:17:51,415
And the dean says he
needs to open a Title 9
investigation
353
00:17:51,553 --> 00:17:53,486
- Laura, you need to come home.
- What?
354
00:17:53,624 --> 00:17:55,591
- They published our address
on 4chan.
355
00:17:55,729 --> 00:17:57,835
Along with our cell numbers,
and your social security.
356
00:17:57,973 --> 00:18:01,183
- Wait...
[scoffs]
Wait, hold on.
357
00:18:01,321 --> 00:18:02,978
- I already got Jonah
out of school.
358
00:18:03,116 --> 00:18:05,567
You just get home
as soon as you can, okay?
359
00:18:05,705 --> 00:18:06,913
And be safe.
360
00:18:07,051 --> 00:18:08,880
[man on the phone]:
You better stay alert.
361
00:18:09,018 --> 00:18:10,951
'Cause we're gonna find you
wherever you go.
362
00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:13,954
We're gonna get you.
You and your fake kid.
363
00:18:14,093 --> 00:18:15,956
- And this happened one time?
364
00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:17,855
- 5:37.
365
00:18:17,993 --> 00:18:20,409
- The number was blocked but
maybe there's a way to trace it?
366
00:18:20,547 --> 00:18:22,515
- It's obviously
Joanna Lynn Pierce.
367
00:18:22,653 --> 00:18:24,310
- Who?
- Oh, she's this lunatic
conspiracist.
368
00:18:24,448 --> 00:18:26,312
- One of these crazy
Park Ridge hoaxers.
369
00:18:26,450 --> 00:18:28,072
- We... we pissed her off
370
00:18:28,210 --> 00:18:30,592
and now we're being targeted
by her army of trolls.
371
00:18:30,730 --> 00:18:31,903
Here.
372
00:18:32,041 --> 00:18:33,284
"Die bitch.
373
00:18:33,422 --> 00:18:35,838
Hope you boil in feces."
374
00:18:36,356 --> 00:18:37,771
She's all over YouTube.
375
00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:41,637
She's been screaming about us
for weeks.
376
00:18:44,433 --> 00:18:46,401
- We'll look into it.
377
00:18:46,539 --> 00:18:48,127
And we'll take your phone
as well.
378
00:18:48,265 --> 00:18:50,577
See if anything on it
we can trace.
379
00:18:51,785 --> 00:18:54,098
In the meantime,
do you have anywhere to stay?
380
00:18:54,236 --> 00:18:56,825
Any family in the area?
381
00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,359
- It's just a few nights, okay?
382
00:19:14,774 --> 00:19:16,431
[Laura sighs]
Okay, bud?
383
00:19:26,095 --> 00:19:28,270
- I'm sorry, okay?
384
00:19:31,722 --> 00:19:33,931
What do I need to say it?
385
00:19:34,069 --> 00:19:35,622
Obviously you were right.
386
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,798
- Well, we need to just focus
on what's next, right?
387
00:19:42,008 --> 00:19:44,217
Maybe we go to Baltimore
388
00:19:44,355 --> 00:19:46,115
and stay with my parents.
389
00:19:46,254 --> 00:19:49,257
I can call uh, Furman Templeton,
390
00:19:49,395 --> 00:19:53,295
it's a great public school,
we could see if they'd take
Jonah as a midyear transfer.
391
00:19:53,433 --> 00:19:55,297
- Wait, you mean like
go for good?
392
00:19:55,435 --> 00:19:56,850
Just like that?
393
00:19:56,988 --> 00:19:59,370
- I want us to be safe, Lo.
- No, of course, but...
394
00:19:59,508 --> 00:20:02,304
- And honestly maybe Jonah could
use a... a fresh start.
395
00:20:02,442 --> 00:20:03,788
- What about his friends?
396
00:20:03,926 --> 00:20:05,618
His life?
397
00:20:06,550 --> 00:20:09,277
Not to mention,
you can work from anywhere.
398
00:20:09,415 --> 00:20:10,899
I can't.
I'm on a tenure track.
399
00:20:11,037 --> 00:20:13,281
- I'm not pretending
any of this is easy, okay?
400
00:20:13,419 --> 00:20:15,524
Maybe you could take
a sabbatical.
401
00:20:15,662 --> 00:20:17,871
Maybe you could use it.
402
00:20:18,009 --> 00:20:19,528
[scoffs]
403
00:20:20,322 --> 00:20:23,118
- I'm getting pretty sick
of people telling me
how to grieve.
404
00:20:23,256 --> 00:20:24,809
I don't need that from you.
405
00:20:24,947 --> 00:20:26,673
- Okay.
406
00:20:29,469 --> 00:20:30,850
- Hey.
407
00:20:30,988 --> 00:20:32,196
- Hey.
408
00:20:32,334 --> 00:20:33,508
- I brought coffee.
409
00:20:33,646 --> 00:20:35,751
- Oh, you didn't have
to do that.
410
00:20:36,511 --> 00:20:39,341
We've got new numbers,
new cellphones.
411
00:20:39,479 --> 00:20:42,275
We got a new PO Box.
Different names.
412
00:20:42,413 --> 00:20:44,553
- I'm so sorry.
413
00:20:45,140 --> 00:20:47,211
- You said you wanted to talk?
414
00:20:47,832 --> 00:20:50,041
[sighs]
- Right. Um...
415
00:20:51,008 --> 00:20:52,699
It's about the group.
416
00:20:54,425 --> 00:20:56,945
Some of the other parents,
they'd, um...
417
00:20:57,670 --> 00:21:00,120
they'd rather
you and Eric stop coming.
418
00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:01,846
[scoffs]
419
00:21:01,984 --> 00:21:04,228
I think it's despicable,
honestly.
420
00:21:04,366 --> 00:21:06,610
I, I think they're just afraid,
is all.
421
00:21:06,748 --> 00:21:09,095
They're... they're scared
of becoming targets.
422
00:21:09,233 --> 00:21:10,752
- Yeah. Right.
423
00:21:10,890 --> 00:21:12,340
We're, uh...
424
00:21:12,478 --> 00:21:14,273
we're radioactive.
425
00:21:14,411 --> 00:21:16,275
- You know, we probably
won't keep going.
426
00:21:16,413 --> 00:21:18,622
Ben hates
all the New Age-y talk.
427
00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:20,969
And the coffee tastes
like dirt.
428
00:21:21,107 --> 00:21:22,867
I'm sorry.
429
00:21:24,904 --> 00:21:28,770
- You know we were only gonna
adopt one originally
430
00:21:28,908 --> 00:21:31,082
and then we found out
that Liam had an older brother
431
00:21:31,220 --> 00:21:35,086
who was two years older
and he also needed a home.
432
00:21:35,742 --> 00:21:37,917
And that felt better.
433
00:21:39,021 --> 00:21:42,439
Knowing that they'd
always have each other.
434
00:22:13,884 --> 00:22:16,196
[engine roaring]
435
00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:17,612
[tires screeching]
436
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:19,614
Hey!
[Jonah grunts]
437
00:22:23,342 --> 00:22:25,620
[tires screeching]
438
00:22:28,450 --> 00:22:30,901
[panting]
439
00:22:36,182 --> 00:22:38,046
- What the hell happened?
440
00:22:39,427 --> 00:22:41,256
Hey, Jonah!
Talk to me.
441
00:22:41,394 --> 00:22:43,810
What happened?
- Why'd she have to go on TV
in the first place?
442
00:22:43,948 --> 00:22:46,295
You knew it was a mistake!
443
00:22:47,020 --> 00:22:49,160
And... and you let her do it
anyway.
444
00:22:49,298 --> 00:22:51,508
And now they're never
gonna stop. Ever.
445
00:22:51,646 --> 00:22:53,268
- You're safe.
- No.
446
00:22:53,406 --> 00:22:54,787
- Do you hear me?
- No.
447
00:22:54,925 --> 00:22:57,065
- Look at me. You're safe.
We'll keep you safe.
448
00:22:57,203 --> 00:22:58,963
- How?
449
00:23:01,966 --> 00:23:03,830
[crying]
450
00:23:10,734 --> 00:23:13,599
- We've sent the vehicle
description out to every
precinct in the county.
451
00:23:13,737 --> 00:23:15,497
It's harder
without plates but...
452
00:23:15,635 --> 00:23:17,223
- What about Joanna Pierce?
453
00:23:17,361 --> 00:23:19,294
- There's no evidence to suggest
she was directly involved.
454
00:23:19,432 --> 00:23:22,435
- If it wasn't her at the wheel,
it was someone
doing her bidding.
455
00:23:22,573 --> 00:23:24,161
She has thousands of followers
456
00:23:24,299 --> 00:23:25,990
and her rhetoric is
only escalating.
457
00:23:26,128 --> 00:23:28,199
- Has she made any specific
threats of violence?
458
00:23:28,337 --> 00:23:29,649
- She's calling us Satanists
459
00:23:29,787 --> 00:23:31,893
and pedophiles
who deserve to be lynched.
460
00:23:32,031 --> 00:23:34,551
- What about stationing
someone outside our place?
461
00:23:34,689 --> 00:23:36,484
In case they doxx us again?
462
00:23:36,622 --> 00:23:38,209
- We just don't have
the manpower.
463
00:23:38,347 --> 00:23:40,419
I'm sorry.
[scoffs]
464
00:23:40,557 --> 00:23:42,662
Do you have any kind
of home defense?
465
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,216
- What do you mean?
- I mean do you have a gun?
466
00:23:45,354 --> 00:23:48,634
Because if I were you--
- That's not happening.
467
00:23:49,393 --> 00:23:51,533
Thank you, officer.
468
00:23:53,397 --> 00:23:55,641
- Come on. Let's go.
469
00:23:55,779 --> 00:23:58,022
Uh, Jonah, just hang here
for a second, would ya?
470
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,955
Laura, hey.
471
00:24:03,027 --> 00:24:05,340
We have to get out of town.
- Eric.
472
00:24:05,478 --> 00:24:06,859
- I mean it.
473
00:24:06,997 --> 00:24:09,344
- Okay, how is that going
to make any difference?
474
00:24:09,482 --> 00:24:12,036
What is to stop them from
finding us wherever we go?
475
00:24:12,174 --> 00:24:15,143
I'm not gonna start
living like a fugitive.
476
00:24:15,281 --> 00:24:16,800
That means they win.
477
00:24:16,938 --> 00:24:18,767
- They've already won!
478
00:24:18,905 --> 00:24:21,045
My God, Laura, look at us.
479
00:24:21,183 --> 00:24:22,702
- This is our home.
480
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,911
This is our community.
481
00:24:25,049 --> 00:24:27,742
- Yeah, and our community hates
us, in case you haven't noticed.
482
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,951
They think it's our fault
483
00:24:30,089 --> 00:24:32,540
that these yahoos are
showing up in droves,
484
00:24:32,678 --> 00:24:34,611
demanding information
at City Hall.
485
00:24:34,749 --> 00:24:36,716
- We were just trying
to give them answers.
486
00:24:36,854 --> 00:24:38,580
- I'm not saying it's fair.
487
00:24:38,718 --> 00:24:40,686
But this is the reality.
488
00:24:41,618 --> 00:24:44,517
And honestly did you really
think we'd stay here forever?
489
00:24:45,173 --> 00:24:47,624
After everything
that's happened?
490
00:24:51,869 --> 00:24:54,493
- It's where
we've built our lives.
491
00:24:55,286 --> 00:24:57,496
It's where Liam's buried.
492
00:24:59,221 --> 00:25:02,949
What are we supposed to do?
Just leave him?
493
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,434
- I'm sorry, honey.
494
00:25:06,297 --> 00:25:10,232
But we have to be smart.
We're not safe here.
495
00:25:11,648 --> 00:25:13,304
[inhales shakily]
- Okay.
496
00:25:13,442 --> 00:25:14,616
[sniffling]
497
00:25:14,754 --> 00:25:16,169
Okay.
498
00:25:16,307 --> 00:25:17,723
I'll take a leave.
499
00:25:17,861 --> 00:25:19,794
And you, uh,
500
00:25:19,932 --> 00:25:23,142
you call Furman Templeton
and see if they have a spot
for Jonah and...
501
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,317
and we'll just put the house
on the market this week.
502
00:25:26,455 --> 00:25:28,803
I don't... it's gonna take us
a while to pack everything.
503
00:25:28,941 --> 00:25:31,046
- We'll figure it out.
504
00:25:36,189 --> 00:25:37,708
- Okay.
505
00:25:38,433 --> 00:25:40,021
Okay.
506
00:25:41,747 --> 00:25:43,887
Jonah.
507
00:26:06,323 --> 00:26:08,290
[beeping]
508
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,230
[dramatic music]
509
00:26:27,033 --> 00:26:28,725
[door creaking]
- Oh.
510
00:26:28,863 --> 00:26:30,589
[Jonah]: Hey.
- Hey.
511
00:26:30,727 --> 00:26:33,039
I didn't know you were home.
512
00:26:33,177 --> 00:26:34,903
Just puttin' stuff away.
What's up?
513
00:26:35,041 --> 00:26:37,837
- Sorry, I,
I was looking for Mom.
514
00:26:38,493 --> 00:26:40,840
- Your mom, uh... I think
she was taking the trash out.
515
00:26:40,978 --> 00:26:44,223
- Yeah, we were, uh...
we were gonna go get pancakes
at Millie's.
516
00:26:44,361 --> 00:26:45,569
- Oh, yeah?
517
00:26:45,707 --> 00:26:48,365
That's a great idea.
- Hey.
518
00:26:50,091 --> 00:26:51,920
Hey, you ready to go?
519
00:26:52,058 --> 00:26:54,060
- Yeah.
You wanna come?
520
00:26:54,198 --> 00:26:56,753
- Oh, I was
thinking maybe just us?
521
00:26:56,891 --> 00:26:58,271
Is that okay?
522
00:26:58,409 --> 00:27:00,826
- Yeah, I ate.
You guys go have fun.
523
00:27:08,557 --> 00:27:10,629
[door banging shut]
524
00:27:18,602 --> 00:27:21,812
- Are they gonna arrest her?
525
00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:23,642
Joanna Pierce.
526
00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:25,816
- I don't know.
527
00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:30,062
It's complicated.
528
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,651
- It doesn't really seem fair.
529
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:37,863
I mean, why are we the ones
who have to leave?
530
00:27:38,001 --> 00:27:41,867
We're not the ones
telling lies.
- I know.
531
00:27:49,081 --> 00:27:52,636
Look, I... I know that
I haven't been...
532
00:27:52,774 --> 00:27:55,259
me since he died.
533
00:27:58,090 --> 00:28:02,681
Sometimes I'll look at you
and I... I'm just I'm so scared.
534
00:28:02,819 --> 00:28:05,822
I'm scared
I'm gonna lose you too.
535
00:28:08,790 --> 00:28:11,310
But... I, I'm trying.
I really am.
536
00:28:14,451 --> 00:28:17,281
- I know, Mom.
537
00:28:18,282 --> 00:28:22,010
[horn tooting]
538
00:28:34,402 --> 00:28:36,715
[crowd chanting]
539
00:28:38,993 --> 00:28:41,271
- What the hell.
- What's going on?
540
00:28:41,409 --> 00:28:42,962
- No more lies!
541
00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:44,688
No more lies!
542
00:28:44,826 --> 00:28:46,172
No more lies!
- Wait, that's her.
543
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:48,899
- Mom.
What are you doing?
544
00:28:49,037 --> 00:28:52,144
[crowd chanting]: No more lies!
No more lies!
545
00:28:52,282 --> 00:28:54,249
- Stay in the car.
- Mom.
546
00:28:54,387 --> 00:28:55,803
- No more lies!
547
00:28:55,941 --> 00:28:57,390
[Joanna]: We want you
to be honest.
- Mom!
548
00:28:57,528 --> 00:28:59,013
- You can't tear down
this building.
549
00:28:59,151 --> 00:29:00,428
[Laura]: Stay in the car.
550
00:29:00,566 --> 00:29:02,879
- That's destruction
of evidence.
551
00:29:03,017 --> 00:29:05,813
[crowd]: No more lies.
- No more lies.
552
00:29:05,951 --> 00:29:10,610
- No more lies!
No more lies! No more lies!
553
00:29:10,749 --> 00:29:12,992
[Joanna]: No more lies.
554
00:29:14,269 --> 00:29:16,444
- Liam wasn't enough for you?
- Don't you come at me.
555
00:29:16,582 --> 00:29:18,101
- You had to come
after Jonah too?
556
00:29:18,239 --> 00:29:19,688
- She's assaulting me!
557
00:29:19,827 --> 00:29:21,725
- You're sick, you know that?
- No, you are sick.
558
00:29:21,863 --> 00:29:23,520
You think you're untouchable,
but you know what?
559
00:29:23,658 --> 00:29:25,625
I don't care what they pay you.
We will find you.
560
00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:27,593
- You say you care
about children?
561
00:29:27,731 --> 00:29:29,457
Stay away from my family,
you hear me,
or I'll have you arrested.
562
00:29:29,595 --> 00:29:32,632
- You can't hide
from the truth.
- No more lies!
563
00:29:32,771 --> 00:29:34,531
- No more lies!
564
00:29:34,669 --> 00:29:35,808
No more lies!
565
00:29:35,946 --> 00:29:37,292
- Press charges against
that bitch.
566
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:40,709
- No more lies!
No more lies!...
567
00:29:40,848 --> 00:29:44,230
[crowd continues chanting]
568
00:29:52,721 --> 00:29:54,585
- Laura Broder?
569
00:29:54,723 --> 00:29:56,518
[metal door opening]
570
00:29:57,692 --> 00:29:59,487
Come with me.
571
00:30:04,733 --> 00:30:06,632
And I have to give you this.
572
00:30:06,770 --> 00:30:09,980
Ms. Pierce has filed a temporary
order of protection.
573
00:30:10,118 --> 00:30:13,846
You must stay at least 500 feet
away from her person
and place of residence.
574
00:30:13,984 --> 00:30:15,365
You understand?
575
00:30:15,503 --> 00:30:18,264
- Yeah.
- You're free to go.
576
00:30:23,925 --> 00:30:25,478
- C'mon.
577
00:30:26,617 --> 00:30:29,034
- Is it fair to say that
Ms. Pierce was afraid of you?
578
00:30:29,172 --> 00:30:32,106
After you
physically assaulted her?
579
00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:35,523
- I can't know what was going
through her mind.
580
00:30:35,661 --> 00:30:39,768
- But you understood the terms
of the restraining order, yes?
581
00:30:39,907 --> 00:30:42,495
They were fully
explained to you?
582
00:30:45,429 --> 00:30:48,881
Ms. Broder?
- Yes, I understood.
583
00:30:49,019 --> 00:30:52,436
- And yet three weeks later,
you showed up at her property.
584
00:30:52,574 --> 00:30:55,060
- And I take
full responsibility for that.
It was stupid.
585
00:30:55,198 --> 00:30:59,927
It was reckless. But I...
I never my intended
to harm Ms. Pierce.
586
00:31:00,065 --> 00:31:02,688
- You can see
why that's hard to believe.
587
00:31:02,826 --> 00:31:05,173
Given you brought a gun?
588
00:31:11,593 --> 00:31:13,872
- What is this?
589
00:31:14,838 --> 00:31:20,085
The State of Illinois says
your application for a firearms
license is approved?
590
00:31:23,571 --> 00:31:25,504
Is this for real?
591
00:31:28,714 --> 00:31:31,130
- - It's locked up, okay?
It's safe.
592
00:31:31,268 --> 00:31:33,477
- You've already bought it?
593
00:31:33,615 --> 00:31:35,721
- Listen to me, the cop...
- How could you do that?
594
00:31:35,859 --> 00:31:37,896
- Okay, look, just calm down.
- Without even consulting me?
595
00:31:38,034 --> 00:31:40,829
- It's locked up okay?
Listen to me.
- You went behind my back.
596
00:31:40,968 --> 00:31:43,487
After everything I've been doing
to stop the proliferation
of guns.
597
00:31:43,625 --> 00:31:46,076
- We've been threatened, Laura.
Okay?
598
00:31:46,214 --> 00:31:48,527
And our principles aren't gonna
keep us safe
599
00:31:48,665 --> 00:31:50,356
when one of them shows up
at our doorstep.
600
00:31:50,494 --> 00:31:52,255
- Safe?
Are you kidding me?
601
00:31:52,393 --> 00:31:54,291
This is what killed our son.
602
00:31:54,429 --> 00:31:56,949
And you think hiding
a loaded weapon in our home
603
00:31:57,087 --> 00:31:59,020
without...
without even telling me.
604
00:31:59,158 --> 00:32:01,505
- This isn't our home!
We had to leave our home
because you wouldn't listen.
605
00:32:01,643 --> 00:32:04,646
I told you, talking
to those freaks was a mistake.
606
00:32:04,784 --> 00:32:07,960
I told you that we should get
out of town the minute
they found our address.
607
00:32:08,098 --> 00:32:09,824
- Yes and we're leaving.
- Yeah.
608
00:32:09,962 --> 00:32:12,171
After Jonah got assaulted,
which should
never have happened!
609
00:32:12,309 --> 00:32:13,793
- Oh, that's my fault too?
610
00:32:13,932 --> 00:32:15,726
- Now, just when I think
you're listening to reason,
611
00:32:15,864 --> 00:32:17,280
you go and attack this woman
612
00:32:17,418 --> 00:32:19,627
and put a... a bigger target
on us, and for what?
613
00:32:19,765 --> 00:32:21,180
This endless crusade!
614
00:32:21,318 --> 00:32:24,459
- How about for Liam?
- This is not about Liam.
615
00:32:24,597 --> 00:32:25,909
It's not.
616
00:32:26,047 --> 00:32:28,394
It's about you
needing an enemy.
617
00:32:30,293 --> 00:32:32,571
- I've made mistakes, Eric,
618
00:32:32,709 --> 00:32:35,367
but I would never go
behind your back.
619
00:32:35,505 --> 00:32:39,923
You wanna pack up the car
and leave tonight? Fine.
620
00:32:40,061 --> 00:32:42,029
But we are getting rid
of that gun.
621
00:32:42,167 --> 00:32:43,996
Do you hear me?
622
00:32:44,997 --> 00:32:47,068
Tell me where it is.
623
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:53,419
- I locked it.
624
00:32:53,557 --> 00:32:54,869
I know I did.
625
00:32:55,007 --> 00:32:56,422
Jonah?
626
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,321
Jonah?
627
00:33:00,944 --> 00:33:02,566
He's gone.
His window's open.
628
00:33:02,704 --> 00:33:05,052
Why would he take that?
629
00:33:06,363 --> 00:33:08,952
- Her address.
- What are you doing?
630
00:33:09,090 --> 00:33:11,472
- The restraining order.
It was here.
631
00:33:12,921 --> 00:33:16,649
[phone buzzing]
632
00:33:24,485 --> 00:33:26,211
[line ringing]
- Hello?
633
00:33:26,349 --> 00:33:29,110
- Jonah?
Oh, my God. Where are you?
634
00:33:29,248 --> 00:33:31,043
- Uh.
- Listen to me.
635
00:33:31,181 --> 00:33:33,321
Whatever you're doing,
you need to stop.
636
00:33:33,459 --> 00:33:35,565
- That's okay.
It's fine.
637
00:33:35,703 --> 00:33:38,085
I'll... I'll eat
when I get home.
638
00:33:38,223 --> 00:33:41,019
- What?
Jonah, talk to me.
639
00:33:41,157 --> 00:33:42,848
Talk to me.
640
00:33:42,986 --> 00:33:44,367
What are you doing?
641
00:33:44,505 --> 00:33:47,094
- I love you.
- Jonah!
642
00:33:47,232 --> 00:33:51,408
- I brought the gun
for protection
but I never intended to use it.
643
00:33:51,546 --> 00:33:54,480
I just wanted to talk to her.
644
00:33:54,618 --> 00:33:57,656
I, I wanted
all of this to stop.
645
00:34:02,937 --> 00:34:06,113
[music coming
from inside the house]
646
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:24,476
[Joanna singing]
647
00:34:24,614 --> 00:34:28,445
[dog whimpering]
- Oh, will you stop
your whining.
648
00:34:29,515 --> 00:34:32,070
[singing continues]
649
00:34:46,187 --> 00:34:49,708
[dog whimpering and yelping]
650
00:34:49,846 --> 00:34:52,090
- Shh. Shh.
651
00:34:52,814 --> 00:34:54,678
[music stops]
652
00:34:54,816 --> 00:34:56,715
Here baby.
653
00:34:56,853 --> 00:34:58,096
Here you go.
654
00:34:58,234 --> 00:35:01,133
[dog barking]
655
00:35:18,978 --> 00:35:21,843
[yelping and barking]
656
00:35:30,231 --> 00:35:33,165
[dog continues barking]
657
00:35:34,235 --> 00:35:37,790
Ah! Oh!
Oh, my God.
658
00:35:37,928 --> 00:35:42,657
Oh, my God, you're...
you're the Broder kid.
659
00:35:44,418 --> 00:35:46,903
What are you doing here, honey?
660
00:35:47,455 --> 00:35:49,561
What's going on?
661
00:35:50,941 --> 00:35:52,667
Are they hurting you?
662
00:35:53,427 --> 00:35:56,637
You can tell me.
You can tell me the truth.
663
00:35:58,052 --> 00:36:00,158
I can help you.
664
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,922
[dog barking]
665
00:36:08,027 --> 00:36:10,340
[gunshot]
666
00:36:13,447 --> 00:36:15,345
- One last question, Professor.
667
00:36:15,483 --> 00:36:19,660
You placed a call to your son,
Jonah, at 6:49 pm.
668
00:36:19,798 --> 00:36:23,146
Less than an hour before
you showed up
at the victim's home.
669
00:36:23,284 --> 00:36:26,356
What did you two discuss?
670
00:36:30,257 --> 00:36:31,465
- I don't think he answered.
671
00:36:31,603 --> 00:36:33,639
- He did actually.
672
00:36:36,435 --> 00:36:38,817
The phone call lasted
38 seconds.
673
00:36:38,955 --> 00:36:41,406
- Objection, Your Honor.
Relevance?
674
00:36:41,544 --> 00:36:44,754
- Goes to the defendant's
state of mind.
675
00:36:46,997 --> 00:36:48,792
[Laura]: Jonah?
676
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,416
Jonah?
677
00:36:51,554 --> 00:36:53,625
[Eric]: Jonah?
678
00:36:56,248 --> 00:36:57,870
- Jonah...
679
00:36:58,906 --> 00:37:00,804
...give me the gun.
680
00:37:04,705 --> 00:37:06,293
- Hey.
681
00:37:06,879 --> 00:37:08,053
You okay?
682
00:37:08,191 --> 00:37:09,537
What happened?
683
00:37:09,675 --> 00:37:12,540
- You need to get him
out of here.
684
00:37:14,162 --> 00:37:15,992
- What are you doing?
685
00:37:17,338 --> 00:37:20,341
What are you doing?
[dialing]
686
00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:24,103
- 911, what's your emergency?
687
00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:27,486
- I need an ambulance.
I just shot someone.
688
00:37:29,799 --> 00:37:32,042
- You did great.
You stayed calm.
689
00:37:32,180 --> 00:37:33,872
You were vulnerable.
690
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:36,115
- So what now?
691
00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:38,877
- Well, there's one wrinkle.
692
00:37:39,015 --> 00:37:44,020
The ADA's filed a motion
to subpoena Jonah
as a rebuttal witness.
693
00:37:44,158 --> 00:37:45,573
- What?
694
00:37:45,711 --> 00:37:46,954
Why?
695
00:37:47,092 --> 00:37:49,612
- They claim it's about
the mystery phone call,
696
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:51,752
but frankly I think
they're desperate.
697
00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:54,237
Grilling a traumatized
14-year-old?
698
00:37:54,375 --> 00:37:55,549
Not a good look.
699
00:37:55,687 --> 00:37:57,171
- Jonah can't take the stand.
700
00:37:57,309 --> 00:37:59,311
I mean he can't testify.
I told you that.
701
00:37:59,449 --> 00:38:01,002
I'm not gonna put him
through that.
702
00:38:01,140 --> 00:38:03,315
Can't you block the motion?
- I tried.
703
00:38:03,453 --> 00:38:04,696
The judge shot me down.
704
00:38:04,834 --> 00:38:06,939
Listen, I think
it's a good sign.
705
00:38:07,077 --> 00:38:09,114
It means
they know they're losing.
706
00:38:09,252 --> 00:38:10,840
Otherwise why risk it?
707
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:14,464
- Is Murder 3
still on the table?
708
00:38:15,465 --> 00:38:16,880
- This is going well.
709
00:38:17,018 --> 00:38:18,951
There's no sign
of forced entry.
710
00:38:19,089 --> 00:38:20,505
Joanna was armed.
711
00:38:20,643 --> 00:38:23,680
They can't prove you weren't
acting in self-defense.
712
00:38:24,612 --> 00:38:26,545
- Can you give us a minute?
713
00:38:26,683 --> 00:38:28,789
Meredith, please?
714
00:38:30,066 --> 00:38:32,344
[door opening, closing]
715
00:38:32,482 --> 00:38:35,554
Jonah can't take the stand.
- What choice do we have?
716
00:38:35,692 --> 00:38:37,384
- I can take the plea.
717
00:38:37,522 --> 00:38:39,247
- You heard
what she just said, right?
718
00:38:39,386 --> 00:38:41,284
There's a good chance that
we could walk away from this.
719
00:38:41,422 --> 00:38:44,667
- No, not if he goes up there.
What if he says something?
720
00:38:44,805 --> 00:38:46,600
- Lo, if you plead guilty,
721
00:38:46,738 --> 00:38:48,705
that's a minimum sentence
of 15 years.
722
00:38:48,843 --> 00:38:51,225
How's Jonah supposed
to live with that?
723
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:53,917
The lie is eating away at him
already.
724
00:38:54,055 --> 00:38:55,436
- It's not a lie.
725
00:38:57,127 --> 00:38:59,992
It might have been his finger
on the trigger, but
I'm the reason he was there.
726
00:39:00,130 --> 00:39:01,546
You know that.
727
00:39:01,684 --> 00:39:03,755
You know that as well as I do.
728
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,068
[sighs]
729
00:39:11,901 --> 00:39:13,212
[Eric sniffles]
730
00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:15,353
You were right.
731
00:39:16,492 --> 00:39:19,564
I needed an enemy.
I needed a fight.
732
00:39:20,806 --> 00:39:23,844
Because without that,
there was just this...
733
00:39:25,224 --> 00:39:27,744
...giant gaping hole.
734
00:39:30,022 --> 00:39:32,749
I brought us here.
I did that.
735
00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:38,065
And I am not going
to let him pay for that.
736
00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:44,968
We can't lose him too.
737
00:39:47,695 --> 00:39:49,904
[crying softly]
- Oh, God.
738
00:39:50,042 --> 00:39:51,665
- Look at me.
739
00:39:51,803 --> 00:39:54,115
Look at me.
Look at me.
740
00:39:54,253 --> 00:39:55,979
Look at me.
741
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,155
Let me do this.
742
00:40:00,087 --> 00:40:01,916
It's what I want.
743
00:40:04,194 --> 00:40:05,886
You take Jonah
744
00:40:06,024 --> 00:40:09,579
somewhere
that you both can heal.
745
00:40:09,717 --> 00:40:11,788
- I can't.
- Yeah, you can.
746
00:40:11,926 --> 00:40:15,447
You'll be alright and he'll get
through it, he will.
747
00:40:15,585 --> 00:40:17,794
And I'll be okay.
748
00:40:19,037 --> 00:40:20,556
Really.
749
00:40:21,833 --> 00:40:24,214
Good behavior, parole...
750
00:40:24,352 --> 00:40:26,493
it's not so long.
751
00:40:28,909 --> 00:40:31,877
Turtles live 150 years.
752
00:40:48,618 --> 00:40:51,138
- Will the defendant
please rise?
753
00:40:53,485 --> 00:40:55,522
Mrs. Broder,
754
00:40:55,660 --> 00:40:58,525
you understand by entering
this guilty plea
755
00:40:58,663 --> 00:41:01,320
you waive your right
to any future appeal?
756
00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:03,426
- I understand, Your Honor.
757
00:41:03,564 --> 00:41:07,741
- Before the court accepts
your plea, is there anything
you'd like to say?
758
00:41:12,090 --> 00:41:16,715
- When my son Liam was
five years old,
759
00:41:16,853 --> 00:41:21,444
he asked me once,
we were brushing his teeth
and he asked,
760
00:41:21,582 --> 00:41:24,654
"How do we know
we're not puppets?
761
00:41:24,792 --> 00:41:27,692
With someone else
controlling the strings?
762
00:41:28,934 --> 00:41:31,903
How do we know we are real?"
763
00:41:34,733 --> 00:41:37,736
If I could do it again...
[voice breaks]
764
00:41:39,186 --> 00:41:41,602
....I would say to him,
765
00:41:42,741 --> 00:41:46,711
"Maybe we don't know.
Maybe we never can."
766
00:41:48,091 --> 00:41:51,888
But I think maybe we're real
767
00:41:52,648 --> 00:41:56,514
not because of what we know,
but because of who we love.
768
00:42:00,828 --> 00:42:02,934
[trembling breath]
769
00:42:04,452 --> 00:42:10,251
To Ms. Pierce's family
and loved ones,
I am so deeply sorry.
770
00:42:13,323 --> 00:42:15,533
And to my own family,
771
00:42:15,671 --> 00:42:18,639
please know
how much I love you.
772
00:42:21,331 --> 00:42:23,264
And it's okay.
773
00:42:32,066 --> 00:42:34,206
[sobbing]
Thank you.
774
00:42:34,862 --> 00:42:36,761
- Mrs. Broder,
775
00:42:36,899 --> 00:42:40,834
the court formally accepts
your plea of guilty
776
00:42:40,972 --> 00:42:42,594
to murder
in the third degree.
777
00:42:42,732 --> 00:42:46,391
The defendant will be remanded
to custody pending sentencing.
778
00:42:46,529 --> 00:42:48,945
We are now adjourned.
779
00:42:56,125 --> 00:42:57,954
- It's okay.
780
00:43:15,731 --> 00:43:19,010
[crying]
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