All language subtitles for Waco.The.Aftermath.S01E03.WEB.x264-TG

When you look at
Isaiah in relationship

to the New Testament,

you get whole new
interpretations of it,

don't you?

For example, Jesus
wasn't the messiah.

He was a messiah.

He wasn't even the first,

and sure as heck
won't be the last.

Messiah comes from
the Hebrew "Mashiach."

Who here knows what
that word means?

"An anointed one."

Good.

And many were anointed.

King David, Noah, Daniel.

There are dozens of messiahs
in the Old Testament.

But, but the word
means more than that.

A messiah is a
savior, a liberator.

"One lamb you shall
offer in the morning

and the other lamb you
shall offer at twilight."

Meaning...

there are only two messiahs.

Yashua, or Jesus the Christ,

and the Lamb,

who will open the scroll.

Exodus 29:39.

Two Messiahs...

not dozens.

So you think the next
time we see a messiah,

it will be the second lamb who
will open up the seven seals

and usher in the
end of the world?

I guess that depends on
how you read Revelation.

What's your name?

Livingstone.

Well, Livingstone,

you're an obstinate
son-of-a-gun, ain't you?

You have no idea.

You know, it's rare
I speak to someone

with such deep
understanding of scripture.

I feel like I've learned more

in the last two hours
with you than...

in the last two years
at this college.

Well...

it seems to me like you
know what you need to do.

And what's that?

I got a place in Texas

where there's a
whole group of us.

We study scripture together,

and we follow the rules
set out by the Bible.

It's a pretty great life.

You should join us.

We could use someone like you,

the mind of a theologian.

To Texas?

Sometimes... God has
bigger plans for us

than we could ever
dream up ourselves.

Tell you this, just
come for a visit.

See if you believe God is there.

After we were forced
out of Mount Carmel,

we didn't know where to go.

We were a lost tribe
like those mentioned

in 2nd Kings, being
tested by God.

And then we found this place,

a place to heal and rebuild.

We call it New Palestine.

This is right here is where
we have our church services.

Nothing too fancy,
but we get by.

Uh, you're living in a
real Christian commune,

like the Bible teaches.

Is this Livingstone?

Welcome! Uh.

Vernon says you are
the smartest man

he's ever met.

Oh, I've spent a lot
of years studying.

- You're Australian?
- I am.

Yeah, we've got people here
from all over the world.

People like you who have
been called to this place.

So, uh, good news,

Lois rang this morning.

She's accepted your
invitation to Passover dinner.

Really?

Maybe she's ready
to bury the hatchet.

Well, that's good.

That's really good.

You're in luck.

Came here in an exciting time.

Welcome to the Promised
Land, Livingstone.

Get up.

Why?

You gotta be strip-searched

before you can go
exercise in the yard,

same as every day.

Fine. I won't exercise, then.

Well, that's not up to you.

Get up.

I said get up.

And I said...

I will not.

Theme music plays

I met some oddballs in
my time, but none of them

ever followed me into
the men's room before.

Not unless you were paying them.

The guy was kind of making
sense by the end though.

What's this guy's name?

Uh, the card said, uh, "Noh-vel"
or Novel, or I don't know.

Gordon Novel?

Oh, he's the real deal.

Yeah, he's, he's
CIA from way back.

- Bullshit.
- No, really.

You know that photo
of J. Edgar Hoover

wearing a lady's dress?

- Novel leaked it.
- Stop.

Hey. Man's crazy,
but he's connected.

I wonder how he got it.

Hot off the presses!

Ah.

Monday's discovery list.

Oh, shit.

What?

Jamie Helliver.

They're putting him on
the stand on Monday.

Helliver is the ATF agent
who claims Livingstone Fagan

shot him, our first eyewitness
to attempted murder.

Says two white guys and
a Black guy shot him.

Can't ID the white guys,
but what do you know,

the one Black guy that survives,
that's the one who shot him.

Tell me that's a coincidence.

I won't, but I will tell you

we're not gonna win
painting the ATF as racist.

- You don't know that.
- No, I do know that.

You never win these things
from up on a soapbox.

This can't be about
race. Not in Texas.

No, we just need
something we can use

to plant some shred of doubt

in the jury's mind
and then move on.

Take our lumps on
this one. That's it.

Yeah.

So, who's doing the cross?

Helliver is going
to ID my client.

- My client, my witness.
- It's just...

you can get a little
emotional up there, Rocket.

Look, y'all keep saying
we're a team, right?

Well, that means you
guys gotta trust me.

No, we do trust you.

But maybe I can help you prep.

All right? Now, let
me ask you something.

What does Livingstone say
about Helliver's claims?

Nothing.

All he ever does is
quote Bible verses.

Doesn't know how
to help himself.

Well then, maybe we should
head down there tomorrow

and have a little chat, see if
we can't shake something loose.

We?

Good morning, Livingstone.

We need to talk to you
about what happened

on the first day of the siege.

I told you, I have no
interest in discussing that.

You have no interest
in being acquitted?

I won't be acquitted.

How do you know?

Because I've spent the
better part of my life

studying the Bible.

Never ends well for apostles.

They're trying to silence us

because they know we're
speaking the truth.

No, there's no conspiracy,
it's a Federal trial.

There's always a gag order.

Look, you need to
fight this thing

in a courtroom and not
through theologians.

I will not.

So you're just gonna
let them run over you?

They've already rolled over me!

- Okay.
- You seem to be the only one

who doesn't see that.

I'm sorry.

That's what they want. They...

They want me to...

fight back,

so they can smile as
they watch me suffer.

But...

I will not give them
that satisfaction!

They've killed everyone I love,

but I will never let
them see me suffer!

Okay.

Never.

I appreciate what
you're trying to do.

I don't mean to be
obstinate, but...

I don't have a lot of time.

The Romans are coming.

The Romans?

St. Paul, who spread
the word of Christ,

he was beheaded by the Romans.

Okay. Well, I feel
like we're getting

a little off topic here.

Hey, wait a minute,
wait a minute.

Didn't St. Paul
ask for an appeal?

- What?
- Yeah.

You know, after he
was thrown in prison,

he appealed his
case to the Caesar?

You're a biblical scholar now?

No, 12 years of Catholic school,
I hated every minute of it.

So boring. No offense.

What's your point?

That even the Apostles
played the legal game

when it suited them.

Paul bought himself time.

He preached for
another couple years,

gained followers,
spread Christ's message.

Look, Agent Helliver
is gonna get up there

on Monday and tell
the jury you shot him.

So we just need
something we can use

- to argue that isn't true.
- It's not true.

You didn't shoot anybody?

I didn't say that.

I'm saying that...

Look, I didn't shoot him.

Well, we can't really
say you were too busy

shooting other people.

Probably not a winning alibi.

Can you provide us
with any more details?

I don't know what, what,

what else I can tell you. It...

it was chaos.

Well, Helliver says he
was on the north side

when the firefight started.

Says you shot him
within the first

couple minutes of the exchange.

I was never on the
north side. I...

When it started,

I was on the opposite
end of the building.

Peter had been shot and I...

I was trying to help him

away from the window...

before I realized he was dead.

You moved the body by yourself?

No. Clive helped me.

You were with Clive
when Helliver was shot?

My Clive? Clive Doyle?

- Yeah.
- Well, hallelujah!

We got ourselves an alibi.

I don't even know what
you're looking for.

Everything we have
on Elohim City.

What about this?
Who's Richard Snell?

- Do you know?
- Yeah. Why?

It says here Pappy Millar
is his spiritual advisor,

visits him in prison regularly.

I do remember Snell.

Bingo.

- Huh.
- Huh.

"Member of the
Covenant, the Sword,

and the Arm of the Lord."

He frequented Elohim City.

Currently on death
row in Arkansas

at Cummins Unit Prison for
killing a pawnshop owner

he believed to be Jewish.

- Spoiler, he wasn't.
- Hmm.

He also killed a black cop.

Who do we know at
Cummins Unit Prison?

What's this about?

We'd like to make a
request to sever my client,

Livingstone Fagan's
case from the others.

On what grounds?

On the grounds that
my client has an alibi

during the time Agent Helliver
claims Mr. Fagan shot him.

Alibi?

Yes, my client, uh,
Clive Doyle, Your Honor.

I'm not gonna waste
the public's time

and money trying this
case more than once.

This is a conspiracy case.

Defendants can't testify
on each other's behalf.

- It's self-serving.
- Wait, wait, wait.

What do you mean self-serving?

Of course it's self-serving.

Every person I put
up on the stand

is self-serving for my case.

- That's why they're up there!
- Okay. Okay.

Your Honor, the... we, we...

There is a legal precedent...

I don't give a fig
about your precedent.

I'm not going to
let his best buddy

and co-defendant
give him an alibi.

Motion denied.

Vernon, they're here!

They're here.

Oh, so good to see you.

Vernon.

Come here.

The story of Passover tells
us that the Israelites

were enslaved to the Pharaoh.

That Moses delivered
them from that slavery.

But that the Jews
wandered the desert

for 40 years before being
delivered to the Promised Land.

And now all these years later,

we find ourselves
like the Israelites,

living in Biblical times.

And like the Israelites, we
also find ourselves wandering,

waiting for the Lord to
tell us how we can help

deliver ourselves
and our families

back to the Promised Land.

Well...

you won't have to
wait much longer.

I've invited Vernon
back to Mount Carmel

under my guidance.

Well, Lois, that's mighty kind.

I do want to return
to Mount Carmel.

I really do.

And one day I will. God
has promised me that.

But not under the
rule of the Pharaoh.

What are you talking
about, Vernon?

Look what's happened
to Mount Carmel

under your guidance.

It's falling apart.
Does anybody look

at Mount Carmel right
now and say, "Wow,

God has blessed this place"?

Or do they look
here, in these woods,

at these passionate believers,

and see that this is where
God has chosen to stay?

God has left you, Lois.

And I can't bring
Him back to you.

Look around,

He's here with us, just
like He was with Moses.

We will return when
the time is right,

but not when you tell us.

You bastard.

I am the Lamb,

the Lion of the tribe of Judah,

the root of David.

No. No, you're not!

You are the serpent!

Come on.

Ruth?

I think I'm gonna
stay here for a bit.

I'm sorry.

Dramatic music plays

I'm starting to
feel like an idiot.

The guy was supposed to
be here 15 minutes ago.

Are you sure he's legit?

Legit?

No, he's a maniac,
but we're desperate.

Get in.

Rock music plays

Shotgun.

I don't think I
was being followed,

but you can't be too careful.

I didn't think I was
gonna hear from you.

Yeah. Well, uh, Gordon,
things have changed.

We're in a little bit of a bind
with some upcoming testimony.

Whose? Agent Helliver's?

Uh, yeah.

Yeah. Looks like you were right

about those front
doors being metal.

Figured we could see if we
could get a little help.

The door is just the
tip of the iceberg.

There's a much bigger
story with Waco.

Much bigger.

Eyes on the road there, boss.

Here. Look at this.

Did you know that the
Davidians, that none of them

had a proper autopsy because
the morgue lost power?

Oh God.

Or Jimmy Riddle?

Dragged back into the
fire after he was shot,

arm ripped off by a tank.

Wonder who murdered him? Hmm?

Gordon, let me ask
you a question.

What's in this for you?

Why are you so hell-bent
on digging up dirt?

Because I hate the ATF

with the fire of a
thousand suns, that's why.

- I'm getting there myself.
- Yeah, but why?

Because they arrested me
four times for fire-bombing

the Federation of
Churches building

in New Orleans, that's why.

Which you didn't do?

Oh, no, I did it, but it
was a misunderstanding.

I just wanted to get the
World's Fair to New Orleans.

Okay. Yeah. Pull over.
Pull the car over.

No. Nuh-uh.

Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh,
God. Get me out.

I think it's best if we just
don't tell anybody about this.

First one went in
here, the second here.

You can see where
the bullets hit.

And those holes
correspond to your wounds,

as far as you can tell?

The ones on my chest, yes.

Uh, two other shots went
through my arm and my shoulder.

The second was on its way out

when it hit the back of the
vest, went into my chest.

The vest appears
to be discolored.

What is that discoloration?

Blood.

My blood.

- Now, you've described...
- Hey. It's Novel.

What happened to you
in those first moments.

Do you have any doubt
as to whether or not

Defendant Fagan shot you?

No.

There's no doubt in my mind

that man shot me.

Gordon, we're in the
middle of a trial here.

I did some digging
into Agent Helliver.

Found something.

What am I looking at here?

This is the lineup card
that the Texas Rangers

showed Helliver when they
asked him to ID Fagan.

Read the notes in the margin.

Is this real?

Got it from a Texas Ranger.

Crazy son of a bitch.

How do we even know it's real?

Hmm, fair question, do
we have anything to speak

to the veracity
of this document?

I have a signed affidavit
from a Texas Ranger

saying it is.

Hmm. Uh-hmm.

I withdraw my objections.

Great. Thanks, Bill.

Admitted.

Is this the circle you drew
around Livingstone Fagan

to ID him as the
man who shot you?

It is.

When was this interview?

Um, believe it was in
the summer, June or July.

So at least five
months after the siege.

Yes.

That's a long time.

Hey, can you read
what the officer

who took your statement
wrote in the margins here?

"Unsure if ID is
from shootout or TV."

So, you weren't actually sure

that Livingstone Fagan
was the man who shot you.

Well, um...

the, uh, picture is blurry,

that's why I was unsure.

I know who shot me.

How many Black people
lived at Mount Carmel?

Do you know?

No.

Uh, White, Black, Hispanic,

I just knew that there
were people there.

You remember saying
that two White men

and one Black man shot at you?

Yes, shot at me.

Livingstone was the only
one who actually hit me.

But you never identified
the White men, did you?

No.

So the only person
you ID'd as a shooter

happened to be the only
surviving Black guy?

I guess so.

And is it true that
your ATF Field Office

has recently been sued
by its own Black agents

for creating an unsafe
work environment?

It was not unsafe.

The Black agents were, uh,
offended by some jokes,

- that's all.
- Right.

Like the framed certificate
on the wall that said

"Negro Hunting License"?

Like that funny joke of yours,
you racist son of a bitch?

- Objection!
- Watch yourself, counselor.

I'm not a racist.

And you can call me
names all you want,

but I am standing here
now, by the grace of God,

and I'm looking at
that man right now

with my own eyes,

and I am telling you,

that's the man who shot me.

Why are you here, Fed?

Well, I, I'd like, if I could,

to learn more about Elohim City.

Why would I talk to
you about anything?

You guys are putting me
down like a dog on April 19.

Do you know that date?

The significance?

You should.

It's the two-year anniversary
of the day you Feds

burned 76 innocent women

and children alive at Waco.

Were you there?

Oh, you were, weren't you?

Do you hear their
screams when you sleep,

the children, those babies?

You know, Richard,

not that I owe you
an explanation,

but I'm gonna tell you what
the problem at Waco was.

Okay?

On one hand, we had a selfish,
narcissistic cult leader

who wouldn't listen to a
goddamn thing anybody said.

And on the other,

we had some FBI leaders
who chose to take

an unfortunately
aggressive approach.

But there is plenty
of blame to go around.

It wasn't all on us.

Do you think they would've
just killed themselves

if you didn't push them to it?

Guard?

I hope you still smell
their burning flesh.

Guard?

Because I sleep like a baby!

And when April 19th rolls
in, and I have my last meal,

I will imagine the
look on your ugly face

as you realize who we
are, how we punch back!

You all right?

Yeah. Thanks.

Why would he mention
his last meal?

What's that?

He said he'll be
having his last meal

as we realize how
they punch back.

Huh.

Well, that's odd,

seeing as he chose
not to have a meal.

- Yeah?
- Yeah.

He said he didn't wanna eat,

just wanted a TV so he
could watch the news.

On April 19th.

You gonna sulk over
here at the bar

or are you gonna join us
at the big boys' table?

They're all pissed at me.

Yeah.

Yeah, they'll get over it.

We all make mistakes, Rocket.

Hell, I flipped off the judge

first day of the trial.

I just wanted to help my client.

And that's not a weakness,
that's your strength.

You're all heart, Rocket.
Everybody knows it.

That's a good thing.

You'll find a way
to help Livingstone.

Listen, on the plus side,

looks like Novel might not
be completely full of shit.

Are we gonna start looking
for Jimmy Hoffa now?

The second shooter
on the grassy knoll?

No, but maybe we
should start looking

- for those goddamn doors.
- Hmm.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...

Hi. Uh, I'm looking for a woman.

- She's about, uh...
- Pig's in the mud

When he tires...

Oh, never mind.

Pig's in zen

Pig's in zen

Pig is nude...

- What do you want?
- Unashamed...

You weren't easy to find.

Pig's in zen

Pig's in zen

I'm talking about the pig...

Jesus, I told you, Gary,
just leave me alone.

I wanted to give
you a second chance.

Believe me, I could use
a second chance, too.

Look, Carol, I don't think
you're a bad person. Okay?

But you do know some
very bad people,

and I'm afraid they're gonna
do something really stupid.

Maybe on April 19th.

And I need your
help to stop them,

whatever they're up to.

- April 19th?
- Yeah.

Pappy Millar mentioned that date
last time I was at Elohim City.

He said the revolution
would start by then.

That date? You sure?

It's my mom's birthday, Gary.
That's why I remembered it.

Well, then you
really gotta help me.

I don't gotta do shit.

Look, if they do
something stupid,

that sucks, okay, sure.

But they're scary people.

They're not messin'.

And ain't none of
this is my problem.

My whole modus
operandi is, like,

not getting myself killed for
shit that isn't my problem

in the first place.

Especially not for the FBI!

I mean, I hate the FBI,

fucking bunch of baby killers.

Right.

Hey, just so you know...

sometimes we pay informants.

Like, what are we talking?

Tense music plays

I really have to wear this?

If you're buying drugs
with federal money,

- you have to wear a wire.
- You don't need

to overdo it in there.
If he asks a question

or you do something that
doesn't feel right, don't push.

Thanks for looking
out for me, daddy.

No. I'm serious.

If you overstep in there, you
make these guys suspicious,

this whole thing is over.

Gary, how many times
you bought drugs?

- Zero.
- Then maybe relax

with the advice, huh?

Okay. Now, remember,
the objective is to get

an invitation to Elohim
City on a later date.

- You don't have to rush things.
- Okay.

I get it. Just be cool.

Jeez, can I just go in there
and buy some drugs already?

I mean, shit.

These people are dangerous,

don't you ever forget that.

You really think what we're
doing here is important?

I do.

Do me a favor,

it's just in case.

What's this?

If anything happens to me,

it's a letter for my daddy
explaining things a little.

You're gonna be fine.

Oh, hey, man. Can
I have a beer?

Thank you.

I'm the man in the box

Buried

In my shit

- Won't you...
- All the way now. Come on, now.

Yeah, good job.

I'm sorry. Let's rewind that.

I'll take a drink to that.

Hey, Becca.

We met at Earl's, remember
through my boyfriend, Wild Bill?

Carol.

Sure. Yeah.

It's, uh, shitty

what happened with
him getting busted.

Yeah. It's been tough.

Hey, you... I'm gonna...

Are you holding?

Because I, I could
really use a pick-me-up.

You a cop?

Am I a cop?

Jesus, look at me, I'm
too hot to be a cop.

I'm actually a superspy.

- Oh.
- Got my little own white van

outside full of FBI agents

just waiting for me
to get my coke on.

- What the hell is she doing?
- I don't know.

Okay. I-I remember you now.

You're the crazy girl.

How much you looking for?

I don't know, like
8 ball, maybe.

120, but it's good.

Okay.

I'm good for that.

- I'll be right back.
- Okay.

Shove my nose in shit...

What's going on here?

- Quarters.
- Quarters.

Can I play?

By all means.

Oh!

That was so close.

- Oh, shit!
- Oh!

That's it. That's it.
All drink. All drink.

Oh, shut up, Carol.

- Are you enjoying this?
- No.

Good, 'cause this
is just stupid.

Becca. Becca,

over here.

All right.

- Thank you.
- Tell Wild Bill,

- I said, "What's up?"
- I will.

Hey, um...

you know the other thing that
sucks about the whole situation?

I left a bunch of my shit
at his place at Elohim City.

You know how crazy
they are about

letting people in and all that?

- Uh-huh.
- Yeah. You got a trailer there,

right? Right?

So, you know, maybe
you could vouch for me?

Just, just so I could
get in, you know.

You know, like a woman
to woman kind of thing?

- I don't know.
- Come on.

I'm trying to avoid buying
a whole new wardrobe.

Okay. Yeah. Maybe we can...

I'm not paying you shit.

I had to ask my uncle

redo the cash out to this shop.

That's bullshit.
Dude, no matter what,

- you owe me.
- I'm not trying

to Jew you out of nothing.

- Now, get the fuck out!
- Get back!

- Hey, hey, hey.
- Oh, shit.

- Put the gun away, man.
- Did she say, "gun"?

Stay calm.

Whoa. What happened to her mic?

Dispatch, this is Agent Gram.

Alert local authorities
that there's been gunfire.

Come on, let's
blow this shithole.

Come on.

Keep going.

Where is she going?

What's happening?

Shit.

You heading out?

Ah. I have to get
back to my family.

Well, sure was hoping
you'd stay a little longer.

What is it?

I know what you meant
the other night,

at Passover dinner.

The Lamb, the Lion,

the root of David.

Saying you're a Messiah.

You've been here
for a few weeks now.

What do you think?

I never asked for this.

And I'll be honest,
sometimes it feels

like a burden too great.

But I have been chosen.

And then I was led
to you, Livingstone,

because you've been chosen, too.

You've read Revelation.

You know how this old
story ends for me.

God has chosen you to tell
my story when I'm gone.

Why me?

Nobody understands my
teachings like you do.

Where is he?

Where is that son of a bitch?

Hey! What's going on?

This is all your fault.

- You killed her.
- What?

- Killed who?
- Mama!

She's dead.

You are never coming
back to Mount Carmel!

Never!

You goddamn rapist!

Are you okay?

It's already begun.

The forces of darkness trying
to snuff out the light.

Livingstone, God has
asked you to stay

and to fight for that light.

David is Messiah.

The lamb "was slain

and has redeemed us
to God by thy blood."

He will come again

in Judgment...

of the living and the dead.

And his name is David Koresh!

David Koresh.

The name of the lamb
is David Koresh!

When he returns,

he'll bring the kingdom
of heaven to Earth!

The seventh seal will open!

He will slaughter
the Babylonians

and the unbelievers,

pulling down the
curtain on mankind!

The end days are coming.

We will all witness...

She played you, Gary.
She's not gonna call.

- It happens.
- No. She's not doing that.

She's... she's trying.

I know you wanna believe
that, but she's not.

Look, she gave me this letter
in case something went wrong.

Now, why on earth would she
do that if she wasn't serious?

I don't know.

Maybe you should give it
a read, see what she said.

"Hi, Dad. If you're
reading this,

then I'm probably dead.

But if that's true,

it's only because I was
doing something right

for once.

I know I've been a
real disappointment

to you and mom, but...
if you're reading this,

then at least I died
for something important.

Love, Carol."

What if in my blind drive
to make up for the fact

that 76 people died on my watch,

I go out and get
another one killed?

The people in Elohim
City are scary

and this could go
very badly for her.

I'm gonna go home
to my daughter.

Uh-hmm.

You heading out?

No. I'm gonna stick around,

see if she calls,

if that's okay.

Sure.

Hey, I, I know we were
just gonna pop in and out,

but I kind of need
a place to crash,

so is there any chance

I can stay with you
for a few nights?

Shit. We ain't even there yet

and you're trying to
burrow in like a tick.

You got a crush on
me or something?

No.

- You ain't my type.
- Oh.

I like assholes.

Well, all right by me,

but you'll have to
ask the big guy.

I don't remember checkpoints

last time I was here.

Yeah. They've
been on high alert

since your Wild Bill
and his boys went down.

They have a second gate?

Yeah. This is where
they, uh, search us.

Who the hell are you?

I'm, I'm with Becca.

- I was...
- This is not what I asked.

Who the hell are you?

I'm Carol.

She's Wild Bill's girl.

Get out of the car.

Why?

So I can search you.

Hands up. You know the deal.

Easy there, perv.

You guys really know how to
make a girl feel welcome.

We do what we can.

Morning, Pappy.

How's training going
with the new recruits?

They'll get there.

Uh, that's my friend Carol.

She wants to see if she
can stay here for a bit,

crash in my trailer.

Nice to meet you, Pappy.

You're Wild Bill's girl.

That's right.

Shame what happened to him.

Yeah. It was messed up.

Yeah. It's just strange,

Wild Bill robbed 21
banks without a hitch.

And number 22, the cops were
right there waiting for him.

One of his boys was
probably running his mouth.

Nein.

Sitze.

My daddy raised
Dobermans, you know,

beautiful dogs just
like these guys.

Church is at noon.

I wouldn't miss it, Pappy.

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