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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,999 WERNER HERZOG: This is the campus of the University of California in Los Angeles. 2 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:56,119 Today, no one of the students is aware that this is ground zero 3 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,879 of one of the biggest revolutions we as humans are experiencing. 4 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,039 One of the science buildings here is considered 5 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,119 the birthplace of the internet. 6 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:13,279 This picture of some of the scientists involved was taken at this very moment. 7 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,239 The corridors here look repulsive 8 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,319 and yet this one leads to some sort of a shrine 9 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,919 reconstructed years later, when its importance had sunk in. 10 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,079 Let's enter this very special place. 11 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,759 We're now entering a sacred location. 12 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,999 lt's the location where the internet began. 13 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,919 lt's a holy place, and we've just come back to 1 969, 14 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,799 when the critical events of the origin began. 15 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:50,719 That machine over there is the first piece of the internet equipment ever installed. 16 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,959 lt's a mini computer, which we now call "a packet switch". This is a. . . 17 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:01,319 . .military-hardened machine. 18 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:02,959 You can't break it 19 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,719 and it was meant to sustain itself, unattended, for years at a time. 20 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,399 This particular machine. . . 21 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,359 . .is so ugly on the inside, it is beautiful. 22 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,439 lt has a unique odour. (Sniffs) 23 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,639 A delicious old odour from all the old parts. 24 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,239 lt consists of modems. . . 25 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,639 . .CPU, logic units, 26 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,839 memory, power supply, 27 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,159 all the things you need to make an efficient computer work. 28 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,999 This machine served as the first node of the internet for decades. 29 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,839 And it was from here that the first message was sent. 30 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,759 A revolution began. 31 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:51,559 And the only record we have of what happened that day is in this log. 32 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,319 On October 29th, 1 969, at 1 0:30 at night, 33 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,239 we enter that we talked to Stanford Research lnstitute, 34 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,559 host to host, computer to computer. 35 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,279 lt's very much like when, on Columbus's ship, 36 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,959 the fellow up on top who first spotted land. . . 37 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,559 . .he noticed it was and he basically made an entry saying, "We spotted land." 38 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,439 That document and this document have at least the same equivalent importance. 39 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,399 Now, what was that first message? 40 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,959 Many people don't know it. 41 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,519 All we wanted to do was log in from our computer 42 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,399 to a computer 400 miles to the north, up in Stanford Research lnstitute. 43 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,079 To log in, you have to type "L-O-G" 44 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,199 and that machine is smart enough to type the "l-N". 45 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,719 Now, to make sure this was happening properly, 46 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,479 we had our programmer and the programmer up north 47 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,639 connected by a telephone handset, 48 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,959 just to make sure it was going correctly. 49 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,479 So, Charlie typed the "L" and he said, "You get the L?" 50 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,799 And Bill said, "Yep, l got the L." 51 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,399 He typed the "O". "You get the O?" "Yep, l got the O." 52 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,799 He typed the "G". "You get the G?" Crash ! 53 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,119 The SRl computer crashed. 54 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,639 So, the first message ever on the internet 55 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,519 was "lo", as in "lo and behold". 56 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,559 We couldn't have asked for a more succinct, 57 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,159 more powerful, more prophetic message than "lo". 58 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,759 l've been involved with the internet, really, 59 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,719 since the very beginning. 60 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,679 There are a number of things that would characterise that involvement. 61 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:31,439 One was l started out being the. . . 62 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,679 essentially, the system designer of the ARPANET, the very first packet net. 63 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:40,279 l joined DARPA in the early 1 970s and started two other networking programs, 64 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,639 one a ground-based packet radio net, like today's cellular phones, 65 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,719 and a satellite net on lntelsat 4, based on packets. 66 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,479 The internet was about connecting them all together. 67 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,759 And, uh, the essential elements there 68 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,639 were the protocols that would make that possible 69 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,399 and the technology that would be needed inside the net 70 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,399 to enable these different nets to work together. 71 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,319 WERNER: Vint Cerf, here in 1973, 72 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,159 and Bob Kahn, collaborating together, 73 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,759 created the fundamental protocol for the internet. 74 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,439 For this, they received 75 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,519 some of the highest honours our society can bestow. 76 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,599 lmagine, if you will, sitting down to your morning coffee, 77 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,239 turning on your home computer to read the day's newspaper. 78 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,239 Well, it's not as far-fetched as it may seem. 79 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,079 1 7 storeys up, in his fashionable North Beach apartment, 80 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,039 Richard Halloran is calling a local number 81 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,759 that will connect him with a computer in Columbus, Ohio. 82 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,919 Meanwhile, across town, in this less-than-fashionable cubby-hole 83 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,679 at the San Francisco Examiner, these editors are programming 84 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:42,359 today's copy of the paper into that same Ohio computer. 85 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,399 When the telephone connection between these two terminals is made, 86 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,839 the newest form of electronic journalism lights up Mr Halloran's television 87 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,959 with just about everything the Examiner prints in its regular addition. 88 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,399 Of the estimated 2,000 to 3,000 home-computer owners in the Bay Area, 89 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,399 The Chronicle reports over 500 have responded by sending back coupons. 90 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,799 WERNER: This report, considering the numbers of internet users today, 91 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,559 sounds already like pre-history. 92 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:13,239 No-one at that time had a clue about the explosion of information technology. 93 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:21,319 Today, if you were to burn CDs of the worldwide data flow for one single day 94 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:26,599 and stack them up to a pile, this pile would reach up to Mars and back. 95 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,919 The internet is already permeating everything. 96 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,519 Even on the lnternational Space Station 97 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:39,479 a phone call from one module to the next goes via the internet. 98 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,759 But how do we keep it running? 99 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,599 How do we guard it? 100 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:50,519 l still have a copy of the phone directory from the late 1 970s 101 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,479 of everybody who was on the internet 102 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,959 and it was a document about that thick 103 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,319 and it had the name, address and telephone number of every single person. 104 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,199 Actually, it had it twice, because it had it once sorted by their email address 105 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:04,959 and once sorted by their actual name. 106 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,839 So, if you had a problem with anybody, you could look them up, you could find them. 107 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,919 You could find who the actual person was associated with that email address. 108 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,799 And, still today, l thumb through that 109 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,119 and, you know, it's a surprising fraction of the people l actually knew. 110 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,199 For example, there were two other Dannys on the internet 111 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,359 and l knew them both - l still know them both. 112 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,959 Of course, now, you can't even comprehend the idea 113 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,919 of a directory that contains the name of everybody. 114 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,079 WERNER: Today, we couldn't know exactly. 115 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,679 The directory might be some 72 miles thick. 116 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,599 The capacity on the ith channel. . . 117 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,959 . .should be the traffic on the ith channel over the speed of the ith channel, 118 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,479 plus how much is left over. 119 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,759 That's how much. . . how much capacity is left over. 120 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:04,559 And you split it, according to the square root of the traffic on that channel, 121 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,999 over the summation of the square root over all channels. 122 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,599 DANNY HlLLlS: The way that the internet works, 123 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,039 there's no fixed route that a message takes. 124 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,279 ln the early days of the protocol, there was a kind of a bug and one of the. . . 125 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,999 computers actually had a hardware failure 126 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:25,359 that made it believe that it could get a message to some place in negative time. 127 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,519 So, of course, every message in the internet 128 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,839 did better by sending it through that computer, 129 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,519 because it subtracted the time. . . 130 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,159 . .required to send the message and so all the messages in the internet 131 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,039 started getting sent through that computer, which got slower and slower. 132 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,759 So the internet kind of started to grind to a halt. 133 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,319 The mean response time now will look like this. 134 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,639 lt will be equal to the average path length 135 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,999 times the summation of the square root 136 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,239 of the traffic on the j channel 137 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,319 over the sum of all traffics. . . 138 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,439 . .summed over all channels. . .squared. . . 139 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,239 . .over Mu C, one minus n bar Rho. 140 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:16,359 Whatever that equation means, it tells you what the minimum response time will be 141 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,399 for a network once it's optimised. 142 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:21,639 The computer was claiming that it could deliver the message 143 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,199 before you even sent it. 144 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,159 So, if you had a Post Office like that, of course you would use it. Right? 145 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,799 This was a simplified, but exact model, at the time. 146 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,959 Now we have other aspects of it, 147 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,359 but it's basically the underlying principles of the network. 148 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,119 And one of the things we found, surprisingly, 149 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,359 was that the larger the network is, the far more efficient it becomes. 150 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,079 WERNER: Like a gambling casino 151 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,559 that certainly makes money if you have millions of gamblers at the slot machines? 152 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,959 very much so. You've articulated what we call "the law of large numbers". 153 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:59,399 The law of large numbers says that a large population of unpredictable players - 154 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:04,839 or messages - collectively behaves in a very predictable fashion. 155 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,079 A fashion we can write down exactly. 156 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,119 And, therefore, we can predict the performance of a network when it's large. 157 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,679 The underlying technology has scaled by a factor of a million 158 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,199 in computational speed, in bandwidth of communications, in storage capacity 159 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,279 and it may go for another decade to a factor of a billion or even a trillion. 160 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,079 Nothing in the history of mankind has ever worked 161 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,239 as a technological contribution over that span of. . .of growth. 162 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,839 WERNER: Back to the very early times, 163 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,359 times of speculative concepts of a connected world. 164 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:42,839 ln the early '60s, many years before the first Apple personal computer, 165 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,279 a young thinker, Ted Nelson, 166 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,559 had his own ideas about creating a computer network. 167 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,719 The web, as we know it, took a different route, 168 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,479 but Nelson's ideas are still dormant. 169 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,759 TED NELSON: lt was an experience of water and interconnection. 170 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,759 l was with my grandparents in a rowboat in Chicago. 171 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,919 So l must have been five years old and l was trailing my hand in the water. 172 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,999 And l thought about how the water was moving around my fingers, 173 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,199 opening on one side and closing on the other. 174 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,839 And that changing system of relationships, where everything was kind of similar, 175 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,799 kind of similar, kind of the same and yet different, 176 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,519 that was so difficult to visualise and express. 177 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,119 And just generalising that to the entire universe, 178 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,519 that the world is a system of ever-changing relationships 179 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:44,079 and structures, 180 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,879 struck me as. . . 181 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,959 a vast truth, which it is. 182 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,439 And. . . So, interconnection and expressing that interconnection 183 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,599 has been the centre of all my thinking. 184 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:01,479 And all my computer work has been about expressing and representing 185 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,199 and showing interconnection among writings, especially. 186 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,359 And writing is the process of reducing 187 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,639 a tapestry of interconnection to a narrow sequence. 188 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:15,879 And this is, in a sense, illicit. This is. . . 189 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,799 This is a wrongful compression of what should spread out. 190 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,119 ln today's computers, they betrayed that, 191 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,559 because there is no system for a decent cut and paste. 192 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,239 They changed the meanings of the words "cut" and "paste" 193 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:29,999 and pretended it was the same thing. 194 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,839 So a guy named Larry Tessler, whom l consider to be a good friend, 195 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,719 nevertheless, changed those words. 196 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,639 l consider that a crime against humanity, 197 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,239 and he doesn't understand why, because humanity has no decent writing tools. 198 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,719 ln any case, this is the problem of interconnection and representation 199 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,319 and sequentialisation, all. . . 200 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,639 . .similar to the issue of water. 201 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,079 So here we have a parallel presentation, 202 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,199 that shows a quotation connected to its original context. 203 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,759 "ln the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth." And where is that from? 204 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,919 That is from the King James Bible. 205 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,799 So we can step down to the next quotation. 206 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,399 "Adam and Lilith immediately began to fight." 207 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:14,919 And that is from. . . the Alphabet of Ben Sira. 208 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,399 And so, as we pull back, we can see successive pages coming up 209 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:23,759 to connect with their sources or with their linked contents. 210 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:27,759 WERNER: His vision of links never materialised. 211 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,119 By some, he was labelled insane for clinging on. 212 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,599 There are two contradictory slogans. One is that continuing to do the same thing 213 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,839 and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. 214 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,079 On the other hand, "lf at first you don't succeed, try, try again." 215 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,599 l prefer the latter, because l don't want to be remembered as the guy who didn't. 216 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,639 WERNER: No, to. . .to us, 217 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,679 you appear to be the only one around who is clinically sane. 218 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,439 No-one has ever said that before! 219 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,159 Usually, l hear the opposite. 220 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,479 Thank you very much for talking with us. 221 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:04,919 lt was wonderful. 222 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,999 (Werner laughs) 223 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,999 Marvellous. What a. . . What a team. 224 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,639 - (Camera bleeps) - Yes, now it's your turn. 225 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:29,839 WERNER: Today, the sheer numbers of unpredictable players on the internet 226 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,959 has led to some of its greatest glories. 227 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:39,479 Fundamental research into cancer, AlDS and other diseases 228 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,639 has been slowed down by a complex problem, 229 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,359 which has to do with the intricate folding of molecules. 230 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:52,239 Scientists using super computers could not solve it. 231 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,479 Adrien Treuille was one of the creators of a video game 232 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:01,679 calling upon the community of video gamers out there in the world. 233 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,039 Here we can see an RNA molecule 234 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,479 folded up into, uh, this beautiful helical pattern. 235 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,439 lt forms a helix. 236 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,639 And, uh, the amazing thing is that this pattern 237 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,319 is formed out very, very simple rules, 238 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,959 which pull it together and create this shape. 239 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,839 And so it's a little bit like. . .uh. . . 240 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,679 you can think of your hands as. . . 241 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,919 There are simple rules which determine how it can bend 242 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,559 and then there are certain ways in which it loves to come together 243 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,359 to form a compact shape 244 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,359 and that's just what these molecules are doing in the body. 245 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,639 And your shirts? For example, you are into shirt folding? 246 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:53,039 These molecules. . .fold up in much the same way that a shirt folds. 247 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,879 You can imagine it starts completely unfolded 248 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,599 and not at all suitable to put in your drawer, 249 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:03,279 but if you follow very, very simple rules, it becomes this beautiful package 250 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,439 that you can then, uh, store and. . . and show. 251 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,839 We took the latest scientific models 252 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,599 of, uh, of biomolecule folding 253 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,999 and we created a game 254 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,599 and we put it on the web, without knowing what would happen. 255 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,439 And without knowing if it would be fun, at all, 256 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,639 if anyone would come. 257 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:35,399 And. . . lnstantly, people arrived and they broke down the computers. 258 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,479 We had to build new computers and they, uh, and they played 259 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,439 and they spoke with one another 260 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,399 and they taught one another about the science, as non-experts. 261 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,559 And they began reading papers and they began studying and understanding. 262 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,919 We have lawyers. We have school kids. 263 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,399 Um. . . We have retired people. 264 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,599 We have bedridden people. We have grandmas. 265 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:05,879 Uh. . . Every. . . lt's really everyone from age ten to age 1 00. 266 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,599 WERNER: This idea was impossible before the internet 267 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,719 and the response was stunning. 268 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:18,039 within days, hundreds of thousands joined in and they solved the puzzle. 269 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,319 The world responded and it was beautiful. 270 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,199 And here is where you design a new molecule. 271 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,999 And, in many ways, 272 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,519 we tried to. . . 273 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,079 . .subliminally, you might say. . . 274 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:39,199 . .help the players understand 275 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:42,239 and inhabit the world of the molecule. 276 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,719 So we placed the whole game in this water 277 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:50,159 and we put all of these little bubbles in the background, 278 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,039 but they're part of the story of what's happening. 279 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,999 Each molecule has its own sound. 280 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,119 And these sounds are specifically designed, 281 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,119 so that when the molecule is well folded, they form harmonies. 282 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:05,479 (High-pitched beep) 283 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:07,919 (Deeper beep) 284 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,359 And if something doesn't fit together, it will form a dissonance. 285 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,279 (Beeps) 286 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,439 lt's actually kind of hard to make it do it! 287 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,399 These are real chemical results 288 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:29,279 of actual molecules that we players designed and we built them. 289 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:35,559 So we say EteRNA is played by humans, but scored by nature. 290 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:42,639 ln other words, nature determines who wins and who loses the game and not science. 291 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,639 WERNER: The solutions of the video gamers are not just fantasies. 292 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,999 They are verifiable and can be synthesised in the lab. 293 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,919 Sebastian Thrun is also reaching out into the world. 294 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:08,159 Originally, he has become famous with self-driving cars. 295 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,199 My dream is to go and give every human being a chance 296 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:15,559 and the best way to do this is education, so we built this little company, 297 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,239 that we called Udacity, 298 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,199 that offers education for free. 299 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:21,439 We have hundreds of thousands of students 300 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,839 staying with us at any given point in time. 301 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,119 We've been amazed how fast our student base has grown. 302 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:30,719 There's really a thirst for education. 303 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,359 As the machines are becoming smarter, l think people want to become smarter, 304 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,079 people want to make a contribution. 305 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,399 lt's harder and harder to make a contribution, even harder in the future, 306 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,439 so we've really got to go and do something for ourselves 307 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,239 and the best thing we can do is, l think, education. 308 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,519 ln the very beginning of my journey into education, 309 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,999 l had a chance to teach a class online and teach a class at Stanford. 310 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,359 At Stanford, we got 200 students. 311 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,719 l consider myself an extremely great teacher, so l get a large class, 312 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,959 but online we got 1 60,000 students. 313 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:03,359 1 60,000. 314 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,519 And when we finally finished this class, 315 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,319 we were able to stack-rank the Stanford students, 316 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,479 who are the most privileged and most selected students, 317 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,519 with the students from the open world 318 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,959 and the top 41 2 students, they weren't at Stanford. 319 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:21,919 The best performing Stanford student was number 41 3, out of a class of 200. 320 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,399 That opened my eyes and l realised, 321 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,479 "My God, for every great Stanford student, there is 41 2 amazingly great, 322 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,439 even better, students in the world 323 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,639 that don't make it to Stanford." 324 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,839 MAN: Just before heading into the mountain section of the course, 325 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,679 Stanley tracked down and passed the crippled Highlander, 326 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,399 putting Stanford Racing Team's volkswagen Touareg 327 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,279 into the leader position and effectively ending Highlander's bid for glory. 328 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,319 As Stanley crosses the finish line, 329 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,879 the Stanford Racing Team has made its way into the history books. 330 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:56,799 WERNER: This was Sebastian Thrun's moment of glory back in 2005. 331 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,959 Most of his competitors were a sorry sight. 332 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:03,599 History has already been made, as Highlander crosses the eight-mile mark, 333 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,079 further than any vehicle travelled in the inaugural Grand Challenge. 334 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,039 20 more teams followed the big three out of the gate, 335 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,159 all hoping to complete the 1 32-mile course in a winning time. 336 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,159 Team DAD, with its rotating cluster of sensors, 337 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,439 sped off the line, making up ground and passing Team Axion in the process. 338 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,079 Team ENSCO's buggy-style robot, Dexter, 339 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,479 also left the line with a full head of steam, 340 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,799 fiercely attacking the desert terrain. 341 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,359 Kat-5, the Ford Escape hybrid, from Louisiana's Gray team 342 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,319 eased its way past the crowd. 343 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,239 And Terramax, the 1 6-ton cargo hauler, 344 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,959 left the gate determined to finish the course. 345 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:44,439 WERNER: Autonomous cars are developing rapidly. 346 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,759 Today, you don't see big radar installations or tons of equipment. 347 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,839 So our primary objective when we built this car was to basically make it look 348 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,999 very normal on the outside and the inside. 349 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,839 The vehicle can send information about what it is seeing to the internet, 350 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,359 which can be useful to other vehicles on the road. 351 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,039 lt can also download information about what is happening on the roads, 352 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,359 before it reaches an accident area or a traffic jam, for example. 353 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,399 WERNER: So the internet will be decisive very soon? 354 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,359 The internet will play a very important role in this, yes. 355 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,639 Can you open it? lt must be packed with electronics. Show us. 356 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,599 So just like we humans have our brains 357 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,959 to basically process all the incoming signals, 358 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:29,999 we need to have computers, which process all the signals from the LiDARs 359 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,079 and the radars and the cameras. 360 00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:35,959 WERNER: l can't see anything. 361 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:37,759 Really, there's nothing to see. 362 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,919 lt's a completely useable empty trunk space, but hidden behind. . . 363 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,679 . .under the. . .trunk. . . is a set of computers. 364 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,919 There are four computers, 365 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,479 each with four so-called processing cores. 366 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,039 So it's really equal to 1 6 personal computing machines, 367 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,799 which basically crunch all the data coming in from sensors. 368 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,559 These dots that you see are basically reflections from laser beams, 369 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,399 from the laser LIDAR sensors on the car. 370 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,479 They emIt lIght beams, hIt obstacles 371 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,199 and they come back as reflectIons and they show up as dots. 372 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:18,159 But It only sees a vIrtual world. 373 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,639 lt really, lIterally, sees a vIrtual world. 374 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,439 The bIg questIon, basIcally, Is does It understand the ethIcs of a human? 375 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,079 Does It understand the values of human socIety? 376 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,599 For example, our vehIcle, what It would lIke to do, basIcally, 377 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,199 Is not hIt anybody, as the hIghest prIorIty. 378 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,839 And then, If It has to hIt somethIng, 379 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,319 It would prefer to hIt somethIng than somebody. 380 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,319 But what It really wants to do Is not hIt anythIng or anybody, at all. 381 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,959 WERNER: But who is going to be liable in case of an accident? 382 00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:49,919 The on-board computer, 383 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,479 its designer, the GPS system, 384 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,039 the internet or the driver who eats his breakfast? 385 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:01,039 When a car makes a mIstake and learns from It, 386 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,599 that experIence Is Instantaneously shared wIth all the other cars. 387 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,479 So all the other cars learn, as well. lt's somethIng that people can't do very well. 388 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,079 So, If l make a mIstake - l have made many In drIvIng - 389 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:16,039 then l can commIserate and l can Improve, but nobody else learns from It. 390 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,719 When a self-drIvIng car makes a mIstake, automatIcally, all the other cars know about It, 391 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,759 IncludIng all future unborn cars, wIll never make that same mIstake agaIn. 392 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,759 WhIch means the abIlIty for cars to develop an artIfIcIal IntellIgence 393 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,519 Is so much greater than the abIlIty of people to keep up wIth them. 394 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,599 Let me show you one of our robots. 395 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,559 ThIs robot essentIally has four wheels 396 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,239 and each of these wheels have these tIny rollers on them. 397 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,799 What thIs allows thIs robot to do Is, essentIally, to drIve sIdeways, 398 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,559 as well as forwards, as well as turn, 399 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,599 wIthout havIng to do anythIng lIke parallel-parkIng manoeuvres. 400 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,199 So that makes these robots extremely versatIle In theIr motIon. 401 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:59,279 To kIck the ball, what these robots have Is a maIn kIcker, 402 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,799 whIch slIdes the length of the robot and kIcks the ball forward. 403 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,879 We also have a chIpkIcker, whIch can kIck the ball upward 404 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,319 and that makes the ball go up Into the aIr. 405 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,999 WERNER: These robots are autonomous. 406 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,039 Nobody steers them with a joystick. 407 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,639 Once a defender Is In place, 408 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,799 It'll be a bIt more challengIng for thIs robot to score. 409 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,199 ln the RoboCup, thIs year, we have not let In a sIngle goal, 410 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:40,439 although we scored 48 goals In total agaInst the opponents. 411 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,039 - So you are World ChampIons? - We are. 412 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,959 We came fIrst, thIs year, In the RoboCup InternatIonal competItIon. 413 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,359 The blue robots need to have an IndIrect free kIck, 414 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,959 so they're fIgurIng out how they should pass between themselves. 415 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:58,839 WERNER: Could thIs team eventually beat the real BrazIlIan football team? 416 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,359 That Is the goal of RoboCup. 417 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:06,239 That Is, by 2050, to have a team of soccer-playIng robots, 418 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,719 whIch can defeat the FlFA World ChampIons, and, uh, we'll see It happen. 419 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,519 l'm. . . l'm very hopeful that we'll actually get a team of robots, 420 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,279 whIch are confIdent enough and smart and IntellIgent enough 421 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,119 to actually beat the World ChampIons In 2050. 422 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,239 Better than MessI, Ronaldo and Neymar? 423 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,959 Um. . . lt sounds dIffIcult, but we can get there. 424 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:30,879 We can get there. 425 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,679 We have a certaIn reverence for Robot 8. 426 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,839 l mean, to us, sayIng "Robot 8" 427 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,999 Is equal to someone sayIng "MessI" or "Ronaldo" or somethIng. 428 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,759 lt's the same. 429 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,439 ThIs, here, Is Robot 8. 430 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,719 lt's very IdentIfIable, because Its pattern Includes four green dots on top 431 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,599 and. . .It's. . . 432 00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:01,079 lt's one of our favourItes, actually. 433 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,039 WERNER: BeautIful. 434 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,199 - Do you love It? - Yes. We do. 435 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,159 We do love Robot 8. 436 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,599 The day NIkkI passed away, we were scheduled to see a psychIatrIst. 437 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,519 She'd had some. . . 438 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,399 . .psychotIc Issues, where she had a braIn tumour when she was very young, 439 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,079 and It was tIme to do some research on her. 440 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,319 l thInk she was feelIng nervous, that, If she were to go to thIs appoIntment, 441 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,959 she mIght get stuck In the hospItal, because that had happened before. 442 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:46,119 And. . . 443 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:52,559 at some poInt, a couple of hours before her appoIntment, she. . .left the house. 444 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,479 She took. . .CrIsto's Porsche 445 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,439 and drove away. 446 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,639 l saw all the polIce and l started to walk down the on-ramp 447 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,119 and they stopped me and they saId l wasn't allowed down there. 448 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,719 And l asked If It was my daughter In the car, what car It was. 449 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,879 They wouldn't gIve me any InformatIon. 450 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,999 And then a crane lIfted up the car. 451 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,399 And once It lIfted up the car, l realIsed It was the Porsche. 452 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,639 WERNER: Adding to the tragedy, a first-responder took photos 453 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,599 of the nearly-decapitated head of the girl 454 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,079 and emailed it to some friends. 455 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,479 Almost instantly, the pictures were out on the internet 456 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,039 and hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, clicked on them. 457 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,919 Hoping to avoid a new wave of sick curiosity, 458 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,319 we are here, not even showing a picture of Nikki alive, 459 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,039 only a place in the house she liked. 460 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:57,439 Up untIl l saw the. . .pIctures on the Internet, l had an Image of NIkkI. . . 461 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,199 . .as a perfect. . . 462 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,079 a perfect face, a perfect. . .um. . .um. . . 463 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,559 . .condItIon. 464 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,959 The coroner told us. . . The only thIng the coroner told us Is that 465 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,119 a portIon of her thumb had been. . . severed In the accIdent. . . 466 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,359 . .and that she had a head trauma, but they never gave us any detaIl. 467 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,199 So l always focused on the thumb. 468 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,119 l receIved emaIls wIth the. . . wIth the pIctures attached. 469 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,519 And It was. . .a short tIme after the accIdent. 470 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,839 Um. . . 471 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,279 lt was dIsguIsed. l dIdn't know who the emaIl came from. 472 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,359 And l opened It up. 473 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,319 And the bad ones were very, um, hateful. . . 474 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,879 . .very, um, hateful towards me, 475 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,959 towards NIkkI, towards our famIly. 476 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,679 lt saId, "Dead GIrl WalkIng, whoo-hoo, Daddy, l'm stIll alIve." 477 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,279 - Whoo-hoo? - Whoo-hoo. 478 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,599 Do you stIll feel the paIn when you receIve thIs? 479 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:05,879 Yes. 480 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,439 - And It's never goIng to leave you? - Never. 481 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:18,439 Some of the hate mail was so unspeakably horrifying that we cannot repeat it here. 482 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,279 We were told there was nothIng that could be done, 483 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,999 because there's no law In place for. . . 484 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,119 . .pIctures of deceased people, 485 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,719 because, when they pass away, theIr prIvacy rIghts go wIth them. 486 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,039 l dIdn't know such depravIty exIsted In humans. 487 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,679 And l thInk dogs treat theIr kInd better than humans treat theIr kInd. 488 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:58,079 lt's just there Is no dIgnIty or respect on the Internet, 489 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,279 because we're not held accountable, nobody's there to tell us not to. 490 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,359 l have always belIeved that the Internet Is a manIfestatIon 491 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,879 of the AntIchrIst, of evIl Itself. 492 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,559 lt Is the spIrIt of evIl. 493 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,479 And l feel lIke It's runnIng through. . . 494 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,159 . .everybody on earth 495 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:34,759 and It's. . .claImIng Its vIctorIes In those people that are also evIl. 496 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,919 WERNER: west Virginia, the small town of Green Bank in Appalachia. 497 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,159 What you're seeIng behInd me Is a very large telescope, 498 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,319 1 00 metres In dIameter. 499 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,999 But Instead of pIckIng up the lIght, as normal telescopes do, 500 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,039 It pIcks up the radIo waves that are comIng from the unIverse, 501 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,719 from objects out there as close as the planets, 502 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,239 but as far as, actually, the BIg Bang. 503 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,879 WERNER: The telescope discovered the black hole in our own galaxy, 504 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,839 the Milky way. 505 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,959 In the visitors' centre, you can roll your coins into a funnel, 506 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,119 which resembles a black hole. 507 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,359 Your coins indeed disappear irretrievably. 508 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,879 lf there was a cIvIlIsatIon lIke ours on a nearby planet, 509 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,279 we could almost certaInly pIck up some of theIr televIsIon statIons, 510 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,239 perhaps some of theIr radar. 511 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,719 Who knows what? 512 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,479 ThIs collectIng area Is several acres In. . .In sIze 513 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,999 and It can pIck up enormous sIgnals from an enormous dIstance, 514 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,079 but they've travelled so far, that they are so faInt, that, typIcally, 515 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,039 they contaIn a lot less energy 516 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,639 than the energy of a fallIng snowflake settlIng on the ground. 517 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,439 The enemy of radIo astronomy 518 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,999 Is the natural radIo sIgnals that we make on earth, 519 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,719 eIther delIberately or accIdentally. 520 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,639 Uh, thIngs lIke mIcrowave ovens can emIt radIatIon, 521 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,959 whIch can blInd us to the sIgnals that are comIng from the stars. 522 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,479 Cell phones are bIllIons of bIllIons of tImes stronger 523 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,799 than the faInt sIgnals we're lookIng for. 524 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,599 SatellItes, they beam straIght down on us. 525 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,159 - MusIc statIons? - MusIc statIons, yes. 526 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,519 - PlayIng ElvIs? - PlayIng ElvIs! 527 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,799 We've managed to keep cell phone transmIssIons out. 528 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,079 Your smart phones are dumb here. They just do not work. 529 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,839 We really try to keep wIreless transmIssIons of any kInd 530 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,079 suppressed wIthIn about ten mIles of the observatory. 531 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,999 For a long tIme, we had a fleet of chequered dIesels 532 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,479 and these were the standard New York CIty cabs and they were very precIous to us, 533 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,359 because they were the perfect vehIcle for radIo astronomers. 534 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,199 These do not have spark plugs. They don't make noIse. 535 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,999 (BIrdsong) 536 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,199 WERNER: ln the forest near the telescope, we met a modern-day hermit. 537 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,639 So, see? l've fInally gone hIgh-tech ! 538 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,719 l've got a faucet Installed. 539 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,879 Really makes a dIfference, l have to say. 540 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,439 l became very Ill from radIatIon sIckness In 1 996. 541 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,319 Um. . . And l. . . l lost 50lb. 542 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,119 l nearly dIed. . .uh, three tImes. 543 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,919 And l. . . l became reactIve to all the wIreless-radIatIon sIgnals, 544 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,359 when all the cell phones went up. 545 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,799 They went up In massIve numbers In 1 996. 546 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,559 And l trIed to do all kInd of treatment. 547 00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:55,759 l moved. l lost my career. 548 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,519 l was workIng as an archItect In Honolulu. 549 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,079 l had to be separated from my famIly and chIldren. 550 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:04,479 And, fInally, l heard about thIs In 201 1 . 551 00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:08,319 And as soon as l heard there was a place wIth no cell towers, 552 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,279 l was here In 48 hours. 553 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,199 SometImes, If l have really bad reactIons to radIatIon, 554 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,319 l actually wIll sleep on the ground. l feel better on the ground. 555 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,599 And there may be a scIence to thIs. They say that the ground emIts 7.83 hertz 556 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,159 and It's the natural rhythm for anImals and humans. 557 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,359 l also sleep In my car, whIch l InstInctIvely dId In the begInnIng. 558 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,599 l later learned that It acts lIke a partIal Faraday cage. 559 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,039 The metal keeps out a lot of the radIatIon. 560 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,279 ThIs place In Green Bank Is wonderful. 561 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,439 lt's not perfect, but l can go outsIde. 562 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,799 l can see the trees. l can see the sky. l can see the stars. 563 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,719 When l lIved In the Faraday cage, l had to lIve In a box 564 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,759 and l only left the box when l wanted to go to the bathroom or to use the shower. 565 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,359 OtherwIse, l stayed In that box day and nIght. 566 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,839 WERNER: ln a cage? - ln a Faraday cage. 567 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,279 How long? 568 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,239 Oh, a couple of years. 569 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,039 Several years. 570 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,639 l had a mattress and l dIdn't have a place to stand up. 571 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,439 l had to stay on the bed the entIre tIme. 572 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,439 My husband went grocery shoppIng. 573 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,599 He cooked the food. He would brIng and serve me the food. 574 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,919 We'd open the door, he'd hand me the plate and l'd eat InsIde the Faraday cage. 575 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,839 l've heard It also called as "a super sense". 576 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,999 That we just have thIs abIlIty to, for whatever reason, feel these frequencIes. 577 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,959 lt's a very legItImate Illness. 578 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,999 But l. . . At thIs poInt, l don't consIder It a gIft. 579 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,399 l would gIve anythIng to gIve It back. 580 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,039 You're the refugee now? 581 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,799 l. . . Yes, l don't know what to call myself. 582 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,599 ThIs Is brand-new and l just want people to know that thIs type of Illness. . . 583 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,559 And doctors, l really want them to hear that thIs Is a legItImate Illness. 584 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,559 Um. . . And It affects our lIves tremendously, you have no Idea. 585 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,279 When you go home today, after thIs IntervIew, 586 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,599 you have the luxury of goIng home to your famIlIar surroundIngs. 587 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,439 You have that luxury to go back to your famIlIes. 588 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,879 l haven't had that In four and a half years. 589 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,719 l haven't had any stabIlIty. 590 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,639 And l just have to Impress upon you 591 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,079 how serIous thIs Is for those of us that are sufferIng. 592 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,279 And l'm extremely grateful that there Is a locatIon here 593 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,359 where l am no longer In paIn. 594 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:37,159 Or whatever type of Irreparable harm may be beIng done to my body 595 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,999 wIll be eIther suspended or temporarIly arrested. 596 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,839 (LIvely fIddle musIc) 597 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,879 There Is a lot more communIty InteractIon In a place lIke thIs, 598 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,159 l thInk, because of the absence of the cellular technology 599 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,119 and also because of the IsolatIon 600 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,839 of a rural communIty In such a beautIful place lIke thIs. 601 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,839 And, yes, l do play the fIddle and the banjo at nIght. 602 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,959 (LIvely jIg) 603 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,919 ♪ My old lady gets mad at me, she gets drunk on gInger tea 604 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,199 ♪ She Is good and she Is bad, gIve me the devIl when she gets mad 605 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,879 ♪ GoIng up CrIpple Creek, goIng on a run 606 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,799 ♪ GoIng up CrIpple Creek to have a lIttle fun 607 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,519 ♪ l'll raIse my brItches then to my knees, l'll wade old CrIpple Creek when l please 608 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,159 (BIrdsong) 609 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,599 WERNER: The state of washington across the continent. 610 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,599 ln an idyllic forest not far from Seattle, 611 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,999 a REhab centRE for internet addiction named "RESTART" was established. 612 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,839 Well, there are so many of these severe cases. 613 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,999 For Instance, In South Korea, there was the case of a couple that had a young baby 614 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,759 and they were very much addIcted to a game 615 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,479 that they went to play, whIle neglectIng theIr chIld at home. 616 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,079 And thIs baby eventually starved to death and they went to jaIl for thIs. 617 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:47,519 But It Is because they were hooked on a game and, IronIcally, It was a game 618 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:53,079 In whIch they were takIng care of and nurturIng, In the game, a young gIrl, 619 00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:57,799 but, as they were doIng that, theIr own chIld was starvIng to death. 620 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,279 Shortly after we opened reSTART, we got a call from a stepmom. 621 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,919 Her stepson was lIvIng wIth hIs grandmother 622 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,359 and had just had hIs leg amputated, 623 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,599 because he'd developed a thrombosIs In hIs leg from lack of movement. 624 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:14,999 So we. . . 625 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,839 We know of cases, uh, many cases happenIng In Korea and ChIna, 626 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,079 of people who are dyIng at the computer 627 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:27,119 because they are playIng for 40, 50, 60 hours at a tIme and not. . . 628 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,879 and completely neglectIng theIr body's physIcal needs. 629 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,639 WERNER: lt is not uncommon that in South KoREa 630 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,359 teenage video gamers put on diapers. 631 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,999 This way, they avoid losing points by going to the bathroom. 632 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,039 WERNER: Tom, you do not need any further introduction. This was great. 633 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,839 My lowest point came at the beginning of this year. 634 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,119 New Year's Eve, l had lost a job. 635 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,279 l was losing my girlfriend, 636 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,279 my family, my relations were very strained, 637 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,639 and l tried to drink myself to death. 638 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:17,879 Suicide? 639 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,159 l was playing video games 1 6 hours a day, often drunk. 640 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,279 l watched porn a lot. 641 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,199 And l just had given up. 642 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,239 l had no future. l had no will to live. 643 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,719 l was just waiting for the timer to run out. 644 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,919 l was in my spring quarter in college 645 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,999 and l was doing nothing except sleeping about six hours a day 646 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,879 and playing video games and absolutely not attending any of my classes, 647 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,839 not doing any of my work and lying to my parents about my progress. 648 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,199 So it was a lot of lying, manipulation, isolation, especially, 649 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,239 which are all common things for addicts, 650 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,799 but mine were pretty much sleep 651 00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:03,359 and, you know, interact with my addiction. 652 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,799 Did you adopt certain characters that became almost like you? 653 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,159 (Sighs) 654 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,399 l'm not sure l'm comfortable with that, cos l'm still in the phase 655 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,919 where thinking too deeply about my own intricacies could set me off, 656 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:24,279 could really start that craving and start those withdrawal symptoms again. 657 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,159 l wanted very much to discuss fictional characters with Chloe, 658 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:35,159 like the malevolent druid dwarf - or whoever these figures are - 659 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,799 but l had to desist. 660 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,919 The real danger to gaming is when. . . 661 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:58,599 . .you. . .when l stopped being present in the real world. . . 662 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,599 . .more often than l was in the game world. 663 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,679 lf. . . lf you get to the point where. . . 664 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,559 . .you're thinking about the game more than you're thinking about real life, 665 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:18,839 what you're gonna do for food, what you're gonna do the next day or two, 666 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,039 you know, you're not thinking about a relationship or a job or a career. 667 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,679 lf you're thinking about the game, it's a problem. 668 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,319 Because, eventually, it will get in the way of everything real. 669 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,279 WERNER: Our sun, the giver of life. 670 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,959 At the same time, it is hostiIe, destructive. 671 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:03,519 Protuberances, unimaginable in size, are being hurled into the universe. 672 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,039 These flares may become the undoing of modern civilisation. 673 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,079 Well, the best known historical example of a very large solar flare 674 00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:18,559 is an event called "the Carrington Event", which happened in 1 859. 675 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,999 This was observed by an astronomer named Carrington, who saw a patch of the sun, 676 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,719 as he was monitoring sun spots, grow brighter. 677 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,319 ln those days, the predominant form of technology was the telegraph. 678 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,679 That was our main form of communication. 679 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,119 And this very, very large flare that happened - 680 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,119 that created a brightness change so great 681 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,319 that Carrington could actually see it with his eye, which is very uncommon - 682 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,479 actually induced currents in telegraph wires 683 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,159 that created fires in the paper of the telegraph machines. 684 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,119 There's even reports from that time 685 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,559 of aurora being seen as far south as the equator. 686 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,679 And there being aurora so bright at the northern latitudes 687 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,119 that it was possible to read by them at night. 688 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,559 We've been fortunate that nothing as large as the Carrington Event 689 00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:10,719 has happened in these times of modern technology, 690 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,599 but even the smaller solar-flare events that we do see 691 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,239 do disrupt our communications 692 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,279 and create outages in our power grid and disruptions for our satellites. 693 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,879 (Explosions) 694 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,839 (Crowd gasps) 695 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,559 WOMAN: Oh, my God ! 696 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,199 MAN: What the fuck? 697 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,799 WOMAN: What was that? 698 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,399 WERNER: New York City. 699 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,679 What Hurricane Sandy caused here could happen on a worldwide scale 700 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,479 and much worse. 701 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,999 No electricity, no internet, 702 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,719 no drinking water, no flushing of toilets, 703 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,799 no gas and no shopping. 704 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,199 TV: All you could see was the outline of the hospital against a darkened sky. 705 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,719 A lone flashlight up in one of the hospital rooms there, 706 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,159 as doctors and nurses rushed from patient to patient. 707 00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,479 Out front, ambulances. These images from my iPhone, as we approach the hospital. 708 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,439 Just one of the nearly 300 patients, 709 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,239 who were, one by one, brought out and taken to safety. 710 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,239 What we got going on here is a complete black-out in New York City and. . . 711 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:16,119 l'm on the third floor of Clear Channel, where Z1 00, KTU, Lite fm, Q, 712 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,159 we're all located on the third floor. 713 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,759 Every station is off the air in New York City. 714 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,239 l don't think it's ever happened in the history of broadcasting in New York. 715 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,839 lt's like a Will Smith movie, man. lt's very weird. 716 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,399 very weird. And l feel kind of helpless, because l'm glad l'm here and l'm safe, 717 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,479 but there's a lot of crap going on at home. 718 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,759 - My neighbours tell me it's a big mess. - Yeah. 719 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,959 So l'm nervous about what l'm gonna head home to tomorrow. 720 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,159 What's up? 721 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,439 RADlO DJ: This is a control room. 722 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,119 WERNER: Meet Lawrence Krauss. 723 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:58,079 As a cosmologist, he is studying the origins of our universe. 724 00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:02,039 Much of his attention has been focused on our planet. 725 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,799 lf there's a solar flare, 726 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,759 if you destroyed the information fabric of the world right now, 727 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,879 modern civilisation would collapse. 728 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,079 Hundreds of millions of people will die. Billions of people will die. 729 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,999 The world will become. . .from. . . 730 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:24,839 for every. . .for people like you and me, unimaginably ugly, difficult and. . . 731 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,799 . .and there's a great likelihood that l couldn't survive. 732 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,599 lf the internet shuts down, 733 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,999 people will not remember how they used to live before that. 734 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,799 l start to think of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. 735 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,959 l mean, let's get back to the base of the pyramid and think about food and shelter. 736 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,359 You have food networks that are hugely dependent on being able to route digitally 737 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,079 what the needs are and where. 738 00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:00,559 And, through efficiencies created when the network is working well, 739 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:04,239 you don't have warehouses near people stocked to the brim with food. 740 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,479 lf you disrupt those networks, l imagine. . . Uh, what do they say? 741 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:13,239 "Civilisation is always about four square meals away from utter ruin." 742 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,319 That's something that it wouldn't be bad to. . .to prepare for. 743 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:23,239 As we've thought about an internet of things, where often for purely. . . 744 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,239 looked at at this moment, unnecessary reasons, 745 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,599 we not only attach daily objects to the internet, 746 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,279 but make them reliant on that internet connection in order to function properly. 747 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,199 So the idea that our standard appliances couldn't work without connectivity, 748 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,359 um, that we wouldn't be able to get. . .uh. . . 749 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,199 . .uh, to a restaurant 750 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,159 that, in turn, would be able to get to food and to organise staff. . . 751 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,879 l suspect, however, that some individuals will survive. 752 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:56,839 Let us remember, that we come from a background where, at one point. . . 753 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,839 . .there were less than a thousand individuals alive, 754 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,519 probably down in south. . . the southern part of Africa, 755 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:09,279 and we were a hair's breath away from. . . from disappearing as a species. 756 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,359 LUClANNE WALKOWlCZ: We have no control over what the sun chooses to do. 757 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,559 We do know that there is a solar cycle. 758 00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:18,439 So there are times of high activity, when there are many flares, 759 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,159 and times of low activity, when there are relatively few. 760 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:27,199 Events like the Carrington Event appear to be fairly uncommon, but not non-existent. 761 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,799 They're not single, isolated events. We do see that flares are repeatable. 762 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,439 lt's just that the large ones are less common than the small ones. 763 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,519 So, by observing other stars, actually, we can get some idea of how frequently 764 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,199 these things happen and it seems to be every few hundred years or so. 765 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,999 So, it's really a matter of time before we have a large solar flare. 766 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,839 - Um, not a matter. . . - lt's when? 767 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,879 Yes. Not a matter of "if" we'll have a large solar flare. 768 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,639 Will we disappear as a species? 769 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,599 Again, Werner, 770 00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,039 l can't tell you, because l don't make predictions. 771 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:05,399 lt will be unimaginably bad and l prefer to not think about it right now. 772 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,719 WERNER: Las Vegas, Nevada. 773 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,879 One of the casinos is preparing to host DefCon, 774 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,279 the annual convention of the hacker community. 775 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:33,119 In Iess than two decades, it has grown to 20,000 participants. 776 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:39,719 At Ieast a thousand of them wiII be FBI, the ClA, the Chinese secret service 777 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,119 and other interested parties. 778 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:47,559 We are about to meet Kevin Mitnick, a demigod among the community of hackers. 779 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,959 Just mentioning his name here makes everyone fall silent in awe. 780 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,199 Am l proud of being the world's most famous hacker? 781 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:03,039 Um, it's a. . . lt's a title that's kind of cool to have, but, um. . . 782 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,199 l had a lot of trials and tribulations to get to that point. 783 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,999 A lot of bad happened in my life, like, for example, going to a federal prison. 784 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,879 So it's a title that was earned, but l took the hard road. 785 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,999 When l was a federal fugitive, 786 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,919 l was really concerned, obviously, about getting arrested. 787 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,759 So what l did is l hacked into the cell phone company, 788 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,439 one of the cell phone companies in Los Angeles, 789 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,599 and through what we call "metadata". . . 790 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,799 Now, it's interesting, because nowadays, with the revelations of Edward Snowden, 791 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,999 he talked about metadata being very. . . 792 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,879 critical in the NSA's ability to track us and surveil us. 793 00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,999 And the NSA says, "Oh, it's only metadata. lt doesn't mean anything." 794 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,239 Well, let me tell you how l was able to use metadata 795 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,519 to track the FBl in the 1 990s. 796 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,639 l was able to hack into the cell phone company and l was able to identify 797 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:57,119 the phone numbers that belonged to the FBl white-collar crime squad in Los Angeles. 798 00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,879 And l was able to look at their phone. . . 799 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,919 Not at. . . l couldn't get the content of the call, 800 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,759 but l could see who they called and who called them. 801 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,639 So l was able to get a lot of intelligence and then what l was able to do is, 802 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,799 through this device, l was able to program this device 803 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,079 with all the FBl's cell phone numbers 804 00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:18,239 of the people that were in charge of my investigation. 805 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,359 lt would start sending me pager alerts, 806 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,359 that the FBl's cell phone is here, you know, within a mile. 807 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,039 So, what l did that night is l took all my computer stuff, my floppy disks, my CDs, 808 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,799 anything that was technology-related, l put it at a friend's house 809 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,759 and then l went to Winchell's Donuts. 810 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,959 And l got a big. . . l think it was a 24-box of, you know, donuts. 811 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,079 And l took a Sharpie and wrote "FBl donuts" on the box. 812 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:43,559 l put it in the refrigerator, 813 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:46,439 and on a big Post-it note outside my refrigerator. . . 814 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,839 You know the logo for lntel, it says, "lntel lnside"? 815 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,039 l put "FBl donuts inside" and stuck it on the refrigerator. 816 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:58,359 And it just so happens, at 6am that morning, l. . . l. . . l wake up. 817 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,079 How l wake up is l hear somebody jiggling the door. 818 00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:05,399 The FBl knocks. They don't jiggle doors. l go, "Who is it?" Just instinctively. 819 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,359 l thought someone was trying to break in. 820 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,039 "FBl ! Open up! Open up!" 821 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,359 And they're looking for anything electronic, a computer, a cell phone. 822 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:13,959 And nothing is there. 823 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,079 As soon as one of the guys gets to the refrigerator, he just goes. . . 824 00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:19,679 He goes, "What the fuck?" 825 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,639 You know? He was just pissed. They obviously knew l knew they were coming. 826 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,119 So they were not happy. 827 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,559 l was arrested and l was in court and l thought l was going home that day 828 00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:32,879 and then this federal prosecutor tells the judge 829 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,639 that we not only have to hold Mr Mitnick without bail, 830 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,239 but we have to make sure he can't get to a telephone. 831 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,039 l was like really paying attention at this point. 832 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,679 Then the prosecutor starts telling the judge 833 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,079 that if we let Mr Mitnick near a telephone, he can dial up to NORAD, 834 00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:51,959 dial up the modem, whistle into the phone 835 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,759 and launch an lCBM. 836 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,759 Facing 400 years in prison, l had nothing to lose. 837 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,079 l ended up being held in federal prison, without bail, 838 00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:03,239 in solitary confinement for a year. 839 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,079 WERNER: After his time in solitary, 840 00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:09,959 Mitnick languished four more years in federal prison. 841 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:21,599 Because the internet was designed for a community that trusted each other. . . 842 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,799 . .it didn't have a lot of protections in it. 843 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,119 Uh, we didn't worry about spying on each other, for example. 844 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,719 We didn't worry about somebody sending out spam 845 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,679 or bad emails or viruses. 846 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,999 Uh, because such a person would have been, you know, banned from the community. 847 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,319 lt would be really nice, when l got a message, 848 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,319 if l knew where the message came from, 849 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,359 but the way that the protocols of the internet work, 850 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,599 that's fundamentally impossible. 851 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,159 And so l kind of have to look at the message and guess. 852 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,999 ls this somebody pretending to be somebody else? 853 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,079 We can design systems that are really anonymous 854 00:54:57,240 --> 00:55:00,159 or that are utterly identifiable, down to the person. 855 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,759 lt's time for us to think about in what contexts we'd want to support what. 856 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,199 A system that is utterly identifiable at all times is a nightmare. 857 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,919 lt's exactly what we don't want to hand a country that doesn't embrace the rule of law. 858 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,919 Ready-made for them to. . . to employ with their populous. 859 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,839 At the same time, a system that. . . 860 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,999 can provide no accountability, at all? 861 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:32,479 We have pockets of that online and most people do not find that appealing. 862 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,359 ln any frontier, before the law gets there, 863 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,319 there's always people seeking to take advantage of the system. 864 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,479 l've seen, in the United States, for instance, 865 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,399 probably something like five or six billion identities lost. 866 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,679 There aren't that many people in the United States, 867 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,639 which makes everyone a little inured to it. 868 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,079 What does it really mean, when they hear their identify has been compromised? 869 00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:54,519 lt's not always an identity-compromising totality. 870 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,399 Sometimes, it's just a small portion. Your identity comprises many, many things. 871 00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,879 There is one you and there are many components that represent you digitally. 872 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,999 Some compromises in that system have very little impact on you and some huge. 873 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,959 But the line between. . . 874 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,759 your physical life and your digital life is becoming far more blurred. 875 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,599 And there will come a point, where the threats online 876 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,439 will hamper your ability to embrace new technology. 877 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,199 That's what my colleagues and l have to push back. 878 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,679 Governments who can achieve all the same effects they would 879 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,519 for international affairs or foreign affairs, 880 00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,599 without having to rely on tools of war. 881 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,799 lt's another tool at. . .at the table. Right? 882 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,399 War is an extension of politics by other means. 883 00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,439 Well, now there is another one, with much less risk, easier to fund, 884 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:44,119 and it puts even some smaller nation states on the same playing field as larger ones. 885 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,599 So, dozens of nation states have an ability to hack others 886 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,319 and they use this as an extension of foreign policy. 887 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,919 WERNER: We became curious to look into 888 00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,079 the biggest cyber attack known until today. 889 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,719 You were at the Sandia National Laboratories. 890 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,679 What sort of a company is Sandia? 891 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,639 - Can you explain? - Sure. 892 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,359 Sandia National Laboratories is a government research laboratory, 893 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,959 um, a Department of Energy research laboratory, that. . . 894 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,079 that does work in the national interest. 895 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,719 Weapons work. 896 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,359 There's solar-energy research. 897 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,719 Micro-machine research. 898 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,959 Cyber-security research. 899 00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,079 Those sorts of endeavours. 900 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,319 Nuclear weapons? 901 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:43,999 Nuclear weapons, yep. 902 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,319 lt's part of the nuclear-weapons complex for stockpile stewardship, 903 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,759 along with some of the other laboratories, just to ensure that 904 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,719 the weapons will function properly 905 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,599 and, uh. . . as they age through the years. 906 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,399 So a wonderful target for cyber attacks. 907 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,359 - lt is. - lt can't get any better. 908 00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,799 lt's. . . lt's uh. . . lt has a big target on it, yes. 909 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,839 You stumbled over a problem? 910 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,559 A problem, yes. 911 00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,199 Terrifying in scope, basically, you know, 912 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:19,999 hundreds of organisations. . . a military defence industrial base, 913 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,679 uh, compromised, as far as their networks. 914 00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,639 And um. . . 915 00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:29,599 You know, just people maintaining a presence on the network 916 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,319 for the sole purpose of siphoning off information of value. 917 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,759 But we know the World Bank was affected. 918 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,919 - NASA was affected. - Mm-hm. 919 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,879 Military was affected? 920 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,599 That's correct. 921 00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,239 l just cannot talk about it. l'm sorry. 922 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:46,799 (Laughs nervously) 923 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,759 All right, but. . . 924 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,999 we do know a name. 925 00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,159 We do have a beautiful name. 926 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,479 - Titan Rain. - Mm-hm. 927 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,879 - Can you at least nod? - Yes. 928 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,159 WERNER: The scope of our conversation was extremely reduced, 929 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,879 but some of the information here became part of court proceedings. 930 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:14,519 The transcripts are public record, including the name coined by the FBl. 931 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,279 lf you were not up at night in the office, you were up at night at home? 932 00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,199 Up at night at home, yes. 933 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:23,919 Lots of coffee? 934 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:25,759 Uh, lots of coffee. 935 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,359 Lots of Nicorette. 936 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,319 And how rewarding is it to trail the enemy? 937 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,159 To find the track? 938 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,079 lt's. . . lt's very rewarding. 939 00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:42,159 lt's like a puzzle, finding patterns within chaos that shouldn't be there. 940 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,119 And finding these anomalies and once you scratch the surface, 941 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,919 you start to put together clues and. . . and develop a better picture. 942 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:56,279 You can be certain that you're pursuing a certain person or a certain entity 943 00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,719 and it could just be a ghost. 944 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,959 Until you have some physical proof, 945 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:02,959 you have someone that kicks a door down 946 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,359 and sees that this is the person that's actually behind the keyboard, 947 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,199 it can all be a myth or an illusion. 948 01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:14,119 lt could be, you know, a layered sort of thing or all at once. 949 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:18,959 You know, just bring down power, financial systems, 950 01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:20,919 just degrade, corrupt them. 951 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:22,399 Sometimes, it's even worse. 952 01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,439 Rather than bringing it down, you corrupt it 953 01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,479 and undermine faith, let's say, in the stock market. 954 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,519 Don't bring it down. You start altering prices. 955 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,319 You start altering records, so. . . and you delete them in mass 956 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:41,359 and just cause chaos, so the markets cannot even restore and come up for days. 957 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,039 There's the possibilities of taking over space craft 958 01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,879 and lowering the orbits of the space craft, so they burn up, 959 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:51,399 and vital GPS communications and other sorts of communications are. . . 960 01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,799 There's nothing there to replace them any more. 961 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,919 Could it be that we are, right now, 962 01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,959 already in a cyber war that we don't even notice? 963 01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,639 Sure. 964 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,999 KEvlN MlTNlCK: lt doesn't matter how much money a company invests in technology. 965 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,199 You could spend tens of thousands of dollars on your firewall, 966 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,439 on your intrusion-prevention systems, on your spam, 967 01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,599 on your anti virus. . . 968 01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:23,959 and if l could just manipulate one person inside that company, l'm in. 969 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,279 95% of the work, when l used to do this in the past, is research 970 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,439 and finding out about the human element 971 01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,999 and gathering information and emails and their personal emails 972 01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,399 and the conference that they were just at and who spoke before them 973 01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:41,679 and that person's email address, so l can send that person a rigged PDF attachment, 974 01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,999 that may look perfectly normal and forge it. 975 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,599 Because l just spoke with this guy, so l'm gonna open it. 976 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,559 And nothing happens on my computer. 977 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,119 But in the background, a little Trojan is dropped that starts communicating, 978 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,879 that allows me access and then l, you know, gather more information. 979 01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:58,479 l grab his contact book. 980 01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,799 l find the people that know 981 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,719 the information that l'm interested in exploiting. 982 01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,759 And then l send an email from him, with the same type of attachment, 983 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,959 and, eventually, l have. . . you know, what l want. 984 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,599 People are the weakest link in security. 985 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,679 People - not the technology. 986 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,399 TV: Now through this special TV offer, you can receive a Motorola flip phone, 987 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,239 with Cellular One service for just pennies a day. 988 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,519 Now everyone can enjoy the freedom of a personal cellular phone. 989 01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,599 - (Phone rings) - You can make a call anywhere. 990 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,599 - Or get a call any time. - Oh, hi. 991 01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,879 (Chuckles) So, l'm living in Denver, Colorado. 992 01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,319 l'm not living under the name of "Kevin Mitnick". 993 01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,359 l'm under the name of "Eric Weiss". 994 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,079 Why Eric Weiss? 995 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,439 Because, at the time, l was a federal fugitive. 996 01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,239 l was hiding from the FBl. 997 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,519 And my idol was Harry Houdini and that's Harry Houdini's real name. 998 01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,919 So l thought l had a sense of humour. 999 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,679 So l called Directory Assistance, l get the number to Motorola. 1000 01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,439 l'm now talking to the vice President 1001 01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,599 for Research and Development for all of Motorola Mobility. 1002 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,839 l go, "Hey, this is Rick over at Arlington Heights." 1003 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,079 l found out they had an Arlington Heights facility. 1004 01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,959 "l'm looking for the project manager of the MicroTAC." 1005 01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,319 And the vP goes, "Oh, that's Pam. She works for me. 1006 01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,439 - Would you like her extension?" - l go, "Sure. Give it to me." He does. 1007 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,399 So my next call is to Pam, 1008 01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,919 but l don't get her, l get her outgoing greeting on her voicemail. 1009 01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,999 She told her callers that she'd just left on a two-week vacation, 1010 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:24,519 the date she's returning. 1011 01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,639 "lf you need any help whatsoever, please call Alicia on extension blah blah blah." 1012 01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,439 So, of course, my next call is to Alicia. She answers the phone and l go, 1013 01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,359 "Hey, Alicia, this is Rick over at Arlington Heights. 1014 01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,199 Did Pam leave on vacation yet?" 1015 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,919 Of course l already knew she had. And she goes, "Yes." 1016 01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:44,239 l go, "Well, before she left, she said that you could help me get a copy 1017 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,639 of the MicroTAC source code. She said you would help me out." 1018 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:51,239 About five minutes later, she goes, "Oh, l found the source code." 1019 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:55,039 She gave me the release number and she goes, "But there's a problem." 1020 01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,839 And she goes, "Rick, l'm gonna have to talk to my security manager 1021 01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,479 about what you're asking me to do. l'll be right back." 1022 01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:05,279 l go, "No, wait, wait." l didn't want her to talk to any security manager. 1023 01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,159 Cos they'd figure out what's going on. 1024 01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,079 About eight minutes later, she comes back on the line. 1025 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,279 l'm thinking they've hooked up a tape recorder 1026 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,719 and that's gonna be Exhibit A in a court case later. 1027 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,159 And she goes, "Rick. . ." l go, "Uh-huh?" 1028 01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,319 And she goes, "That lP address you gave me to do the file transfer 1029 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,039 is not inside Motorola's campus, it's outside. 1030 01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,479 Because of that, l can't transfer the file. 1031 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,999 We need to use a special proxy server to do so and l don't have an account." 1032 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:35,239 l go, "Uh-huh." l just go, "All right, you know, thank you very much." 1033 01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,719 And she goes, "Wait, wait. l have some great news for you." l go, "What?" 1034 01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,199 She goes, "My security manager 1035 01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,999 gave me his personal username and password, 1036 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,839 so l could log on to the proxy server to send you the file." 1037 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,199 You know, Motorola had a bunch of security, technical security, 1038 01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,879 but it only took me 1 5 minutes, with a good gift of the gab, 1039 01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,519 to get those crown jewels, so that's how that worked. 1040 01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,119 But you didn't sell it? 1041 01:04:58,280 --> 01:04:59,399 - No. - lt was curiosity? 1042 01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:01,839 - lt was sport? lt was exciting? - A trophy. 1043 01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,759 This is Taurus, the concept that has evolved 1044 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,959 from the work of these teams of scientists and engineers. 1045 01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:21,359 They believe the huge space colony could be built before the year 2000. 1046 01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,559 Constructed almost entirely from ore mined on the moon, 1047 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,039 the Taurus colony would become home for 1 0,000 people. 1048 01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:32,479 WERNER: ldeas of creating colonies outside of planet earth 1049 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,759 have been around for a long time. 1050 01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,359 The problem of water, air and shelter looks already solved. 1051 01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:45,519 ln fact, nothing looks inviting out there. 1052 01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,679 There is a private company, SpaceX, 1053 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,199 which is pursuing this idea in practical terms. 1054 01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,519 Here, rockets are being assembled for the transport. 1055 01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:02,879 The founder of SpaceX, Elon Musk, is not just a dreamer. 1056 01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,159 He made his fortune with PayPal, 1057 01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,759 he's building Tesla electric cars 1058 01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:12,759 and is now constructing the largest factory for batteries on this planet. 1059 01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:17,279 After set-backs, he's now successfully launching rockets. 1060 01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,159 (Rumbling) 1061 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,439 For the first time in the history of earth, in four and a half billion years, 1062 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,999 the window of possibility is open for us to extend life to another planet. 1063 01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,599 To the best of our knowledge, life exists only on earth. 1064 01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:45,039 There is a good argument that it exists elsewhere, but we've seen no sign of it. 1065 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:50,199 l think it's important for us to take advantage of that window while it is open 1066 01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:54,439 and to establish life on another planet in the solar system, 1067 01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,039 just in case something goes wrong with. . . with earth. 1068 01:06:58,200 --> 01:06:59,679 Uh. . . 1069 01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:04,319 And, uh, you know, there could be either a natural or a man-made disaster, 1070 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,359 that knocks the technology level 1071 01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:11,879 below that which is. . .where it is possible to travel to another planet. 1072 01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:16,559 The key to establishing a self-sustained large civilisation is getting 1073 01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:21,759 the cost per unit mass low enough that there's an intersection of sets. 1074 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,039 The set of people that wish to move to Mars 1075 01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:28,639 and the set of people that can afford to move to Mars, inclusive of government aid. 1076 01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,639 l mean, right now, we can't even get one person to Mars. So. . . 1077 01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,759 l would come along. l wouldn't have a problem. 1078 01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,279 - A one-way ticket. - That sounds great. 1079 01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,039 - l'd be your candidate. - OK. 1080 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:40,399 Um. . . 1081 01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,439 l. . . l do think we'll want to. . . 1082 01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,679 . .offer round trips, because a lot more people would be willing to go 1083 01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,839 if they think that, if they don't like it, they can come back. 1084 01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,359 (Rumbling) 1085 01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:56,239 WERNER: But how would we talk to them who chose to stay? 1086 01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,519 Who would tell them the outcome of the World Series? 1087 01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:06,639 Mars is actually a comparatively easy internet thing to establish, 1088 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,239 at least for a local internet, because you wouldn't have. . . 1089 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,879 You wouldn't be living everywhere on Mars, so you'd really just need. . . 1090 01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,759 maybe four satellites to have. . . 1091 01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:20,279 global coverage of. . . to have global internet coverage, 1092 01:08:20,440 --> 01:08:23,679 because of how sparse the civilisation would be on Mars. 1093 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:29,199 Uh, and then some relay satellites to get back to earth. 1094 01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,759 Uh. . . Particularly when Mars is on the other side of the sun. 1095 01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:34,919 You'd need to bounce it off a relay satellite. 1096 01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,159 You couldn't communicate directly with it. 1097 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,599 WERNER: The skyline of Chicago. 1098 01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,199 lt looks devoid of its inhabitants. 1099 01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:50,119 we have to assume that nearly everyone has left for a colony out there. 1100 01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:54,319 ELvlS PRESLEY: ♪ Are you lonesome tonight? 1101 01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,839 ♪ Do you miss me tonight? 1102 01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:06,159 ♪ Are you sorry we drifted apart? 1103 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:14,399 ♪ Does your memory stray to a brighter. . . 1104 01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,159 The planetarium is the only point of contact. 1105 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,519 Inside, a monument for those who have levitated and left. 1106 01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,679 Yes, things must be real good out there. 1107 01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:33,959 ♪ . .do the chairs in your parlour seem empty and bare. . . 1108 01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,679 But then we met some stragglers left behind. 1109 01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,999 They're all on their smartphones. 1110 01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,599 ♪ . .and picture me there. . . 1111 01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,959 Have the monks stopped meditating? 1112 01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:46,919 Have they stopped praying? 1113 01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,159 They all seem to be tweeting. 1114 01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:53,119 ♪ . .shall l come back again? 1115 01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,239 ♪ Tell me, dear 1116 01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:00,879 ♪ Are you lonesome tonight? 1117 01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:07,719 WERNER: How could we communicate with stars out there that potentially have life? 1118 01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,679 Well, we can think of creating a kind of long-range internet, 1119 01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:16,999 either through the use of radio waves or perhaps visible light. 1120 01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,159 So, these would be the kinds of signals that we could generate - 1121 01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:24,319 in the case of lower energy signals, like radio waves - relatively cheaply. 1122 01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:28,399 And we could broadcast, if we came up with a suitable code, 1123 01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:33,479 some way of transmitting information over galactic and intergalactic distances. 1124 01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:37,439 But we would get an answer back in 800,000 years! 1125 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,439 Maybe. Or two and a half million years. 1126 01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,039 Well, l think that the more one looks for 1127 01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,839 planets in the universe beyond our solar system, 1128 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,439 that are potentially places that might be hospitable to life, 1129 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,319 the more you appreciate the wonderful planet that we have here, 1130 01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:55,959 that allows us to do things like swim in the ocean 1131 01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,559 and breathe the air without the help of our technology. 1132 01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:03,439 And so, while l would like us to explore Mars more, 1133 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,599 l think the only thing that we've demonstrated 1134 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:09,159 is that we're very good at destroying the habitability of earth, 1135 01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:13,199 rather than improving the habitability of a completely alien world. 1136 01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,199 The idea that Mars will somehow save us 1137 01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,879 from the decisions we've made here is a false one. 1138 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,839 And it's a little like saying that you're going to go live in a lifeboat, 1139 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,039 when, you know, even lifeboats need somewhere to land. 1140 01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,559 l don't think l have good dreams. 1141 01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:44,959 Oh, l'm sure l have good dreams sometimes 1142 01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,439 but l don't seem to remember the good dreams. 1143 01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,159 The ones that. . . 1144 01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,039 . . l remember are the nightmares. 1145 01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:59,679 WERNER: The Prussian war theoretician, Clausewitz, 1146 01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:06,039 in Napoleonic times, once famously said, "Sometimes, war dreams of itself." 1147 01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,759 Could it be that the internet starts to dream of itself? 1148 01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:18,839 Great question. 1149 01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,479 To think about dreaming, there are maybe two aspects. 1150 01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,159 One is what l'll call awareness. 1151 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:32,159 When you wake up and you say, "Oh, l was just dreaming this" and you know it. 1152 01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,439 Another aspect is just the. . . 1153 01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,879 Some kind of pattern of activity then emerges, 1154 01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:42,919 not because of some external stimuli, but just because of something going on. 1155 01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:44,879 Unpredictable patterns. 1156 01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,919 l think, already, the internet has the second of those. 1157 01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:49,959 lt has unpredictable patterns all the time. 1158 01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,479 They cause things like flash crashes on the financial markets. 1159 01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:58,079 So we have plenty of kind of currents running around in the internet, 1160 01:12:58,240 --> 01:12:59,879 that are unpredictable. 1161 01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,159 Uh, in some cases, unstoppable. 1162 01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,079 lmaginative? 1163 01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,799 lf. . . Now it comes to, what do we mean by "imaginative"? 1164 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,039 But if we mean. . . We call a person "imaginative" 1165 01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:16,719 if they come up with ideas that we didn't think of and that. . . 1166 01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:18,719 we nevertheless admire. 1167 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,079 lf. . . 1168 01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,039 Usually, admiration is part of it. 1169 01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,999 So, for the internet, so far, l think it's mostly just unpredictable. 1170 01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,879 l haven't seen anything the internet did on its own that l admire yet. 1171 01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:35,599 Does the internet dream of itself? 1172 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:41,679 lt does, in the sense that it can beget additional networks layered on top of it, 1173 01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,999 that have the characteristics of the underlying internet. 1174 01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,999 So, just as the basic internet is a series of computers 1175 01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:49,999 that happen to talk internet to each other, 1176 01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,759 so that you can move a bit from here to there, 1177 01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,319 there's a fellow named Sir Tim Berners-Lee, 1178 01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:58,079 who could conceive of something called "the worldwide web" 1179 01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,359 and choose not to copyright it, not to patent it, 1180 01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,599 to allow anybody to speak server and some people speak client 1181 01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,399 and then, before you know it, you've got websites. 1182 01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,999 The web is the internet dreaming of itself. 1183 01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:16,359 Could it be that the internet dreams of itself? 1184 01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:20,519 lt's a fascinating idea. ln fact, there was a wonderful science-fiction story, 1185 01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,839 which later got turned into a movie, Blade Runner. 1186 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,479 l think it was called Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep? 1187 01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,199 The robots dream, 1188 01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,039 but the internet is nothing but connections. 1189 01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:35,679 Will it have its own consciousness? Will it have its own set of rules? And. . . 1190 01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:40,639 Perhaps. . .in an even more scary realm, a science-fiction realm, 1191 01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,839 will the internet, therefore, make its own decisions? 1192 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,159 And will the decisions about how communication happens 1193 01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:48,959 go out of human hands? 1194 01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,199 That's certainly a possibility. 1195 01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,119 But since we don't even understand consciousness, 1196 01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,639 l am hesitant to make any predictions. 1197 01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,599 And l think anyone who claims 1198 01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,799 they know what's going to happen to the internet is not worth listening to. 1199 01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:16,519 WERNER: Pittsburgh. 1200 01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:20,439 The industrial age, the steel mills, are long gone. 1201 01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,199 A new industry has established itself. 1202 01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,919 Here, robots are being designed. 1203 01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:31,279 This one named "Chimp" is testing its limbs on its own. 1204 01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:39,439 Soon battalions of them, connected via internet, 1205 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,039 could perform rescue missions in disaster zones. 1206 01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:47,479 l think it's going to run through the lift joints momentarily. 1207 01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,079 We're still a long ways away 1208 01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,599 from a robot having a complete understanding of the world, 1209 01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:02,399 of. . .of cause and effect, 1210 01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,519 of desires and hopes and dreams. 1211 01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:09,199 And those are the things that still make humans human 1212 01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,719 and robots are on a much lesser scale. 1213 01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,879 Well, you could think of this scenario almost as robot dreaming. 1214 01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:22,679 This is, you know, a robot conceptualising what is gonna happen in the future 1215 01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:24,999 and thinking about different scenarios. 1216 01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:26,479 And for any of these motions, 1217 01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:31,359 it's considering thousands and thousands of scenarios per second that might happen. 1218 01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,759 Um, especially when you get to the point of 1219 01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,399 robots exchanging information with one another, 1220 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,519 then you might have a robot dreaming about places it hasn't even been. 1221 01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,679 This is the Chimp view of the world now, 1222 01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,559 using a high-resolution laser scanner, 1223 01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:09,599 and it has to really build up its. . . 1224 01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,959 its, uh, learning of what's going on in the environment. 1225 01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:16,359 ln this case, it's a valve that it's trying to turn 1226 01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:18,279 and we see the pre-planning. 1227 01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:20,999 This is like the robot imagination of what's going to happen, 1228 01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:24,479 where the gripper is gonna be, how it's gonna come in, how it can manipulate it. 1229 01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:29,279 WERNER: lt could have opened the valve in Fukushima and prevented an explosion. 1230 01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:32,719 That was one of the key things that. . . that spurred this research. 1231 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,839 Realising that it was too dangerous for humans to go in, 1232 01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,639 but if you could have had a robot go in and just do some simple things, 1233 01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,399 straightforward things that the humans were unable to do - 1234 01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:47,759 open valves to change the cooling flow patterns, maybe turn on pumps again - 1235 01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:49,559 that would have made all the difference 1236 01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:53,319 in preventing the hydrogen build-up and the subsequent explosion. 1237 01:17:53,480 --> 01:17:56,079 How valuable is the cockroach for you? 1238 01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:01,599 Uh, l think. . . l think any insect is amazingly, uh, advanced 1239 01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,999 compared to the state-of-the-art robots right now. 1240 01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,759 lf you think about a cockroach, the fact that it can scurry around on the floor, 1241 01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,919 it can avoid dangers, it can find food for itself, it can reproduce 1242 01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,159 and it can live for. . . 1243 01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,719 uh, for several years on its own. 1244 01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:21,999 Robots are nowhere near that point yet and, uh, l think it will be great 1245 01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,999 when we have even as much capability as a cockroach. 1246 01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,719 l cannot only imagine artificial intelligence 1247 01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,359 evolving spontaneously on the internet, 1248 01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,599 but l can't tell you that it hasn't happened already. 1249 01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:46,759 Uh, because. . . 1250 01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:50,879 . .it wouldn't necessarily reveal itself to us. 1251 01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:56,999 l think that the biggest risk is not that the Al world develop a will of its own, 1252 01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:02,639 but rather that it will follow the will of people that establish its utility function 1253 01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,439 or its optimisation function. 1254 01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,919 And that optimisation function, if it is. . . 1255 01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,999 . .uh, not well thought out, l mean, even if it's relatively. . . 1256 01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:17,239 lf its intent is benign, it could have quite a bad. . .quite a bad outcome. 1257 01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:22,079 For example, if you were. . . a hedge fund or a private equity fund 1258 01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:26,959 and you said, "Well, all l want my Al to do is maximise the value of my portfolio." 1259 01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:32,719 Then. . .the Al could decide, "Well, the best way to do that is to. . . 1260 01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:37,399 short consumer stocks, go long defence stocks and start a war." 1261 01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,359 Uh, and that would obviously be quite bad. 1262 01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,799 WERNER: Such an attack would be much more prosaic 1263 01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,679 than an invasion of these aliens in the SpaceX reception area. 1264 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:03,199 l think we're gonna get to the point where almost everything we do 1265 01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:04,959 will be done by machines. 1266 01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:09,079 And we'll still need people, but, l mean, if you ask the question about 1267 01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:13,839 will there ever be an artificial intelligent machine that makes movies? 1268 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,719 Absolutely yes. Will it be quite as good as yours? 1269 01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,439 - No-one can even come close. - Of course not! 1270 01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,119 - (Werner laughs) - But. . . Actually, l think. . . 1271 01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:25,439 almost everything we do, we'll find machines doing it better. 1272 01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,199 And the reason why that's the case 1273 01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,799 is because machines learn faster than people can learn. 1274 01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,479 But they cannot fall in love, as we can. 1275 01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:36,239 And will it be useful for machines to fall in love? 1276 01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:40,039 Will we want to have machines that are just like people? l would say no. 1277 01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:42,159 Honestly, if my dishwasher came to me and said, 1278 01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,759 "Look, l've fallen in love with the refrigerator 1279 01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:47,559 and, as a result, l have no time to wash your dishes", 1280 01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,519 l wouldn't like that dishwasher. 1281 01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:54,599 We're going to have a revolution not only in our technology, but in our theology. 1282 01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,719 We don't even have a name for it, but it's around the internet. 1283 01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:02,159 lt's around connectivity. lt's around building machines that think for us. 1284 01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:07,119 And l think we're due for another shift in our morals, 1285 01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,919 in our. . .in our definition of what it means to be human. 1286 01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:13,519 We're right just at the beginning of that. 1287 01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:19,039 And so you can see us trying to kind of. . . feel out and invent this new society 1288 01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,959 and invent these new ideas of what's right and wrong. 1289 01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:26,399 What can we depend on each other for? Or what can we expect from each other? 1290 01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,159 How much do we want to do that? 1291 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:34,239 Uh. . . So, l think it's an incredibly creative time in human history, 1292 01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:39,039 not just technologically, uh. . . but also morally and culturally. 1293 01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:52,399 This room. . . This room should know l'm here. l should be able to talk to it. 1294 01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,639 lt should be able to give me an answer, verbally. 1295 01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,599 l should ask, "Where," for example, "is a high-speed printer? 1296 01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:00,359 Where did l leave my keys? Where is a book on this subject?" 1297 01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,879 lt should answer me, with speech, with a hologram, 1298 01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,039 with a display, in a very natural way. 1299 01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,919 l should maybe use gestures and touch 1300 01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:14,239 and even smell and all my senses to interact in a very humanistic way 1301 01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,199 with this technology around us. 1302 01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,919 And once that technology comes out into our physical world. . . 1303 01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:24,319 . .and becomes embedded in our walls, in our desk, in our bodies, 1304 01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:28,119 in our fingernails, in our cars, in our offices, in our homes, 1305 01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:29,679 it should disappear 1306 01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:31,639 and become invisible. 1307 01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:33,439 Whereas electricity. . . 1308 01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:37,079 there's a socket in the wall, you plug in, you get electricity. 1309 01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,399 You don't care how it's made. lt's not a complicated interface. 1310 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,039 lts invisible. 1311 01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:46,559 The internet is yet to evolve to that goal l was hoping for, of being invisible. 1312 01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:51,239 What's interesting is what you're gonna build on top of it for you and for me. 1313 01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,639 l call it "the internet of me". lt is a world where when you walk into a room, 1314 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,679 the lights dim to your preference level, you may have music that starts up. 1315 01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:00,639 lt may even have complex protocols 1316 01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,759 for how to interact with somebody else's internet of me. 1317 01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,559 That's interesting and the world that will emerge as a result, 1318 01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,399 eventually, won't even need phones. 1319 01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:12,039 The environment will be so wired, that your experience will be brought to you. 1320 01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,279 Your calls will be brought to you, your advertising, your content. 1321 01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:18,559 Your work. All of it will come with you. That's an internet of me. 1322 01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:25,959 lt is going to take a leap of thought, a leap of. . .courage, societally, 1323 01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:30,039 for us to accept a generation that's always had an egotistical world. 1324 01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,959 We tell children very often, "You have to play with others, you have to share, 1325 01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:35,559 your world view isn't unique," 1326 01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,799 but when the world, the objects in it, start to tell them that they are, 1327 01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:42,279 they're different, that's egotistical, but it will also be a magical world. 1328 01:24:42,440 --> 01:24:46,639 One where a wave of the hand creates doors moving and objects changing position. 1329 01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:51,479 But imagine a generation that's never known anything else but that. 1330 01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,479 l deeply regret the fact that deep critical thinking. . . 1331 01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,799 and imaginative thinking, that creative thinking, is lost. 1332 01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,719 ln my opinion, computers and, in some sense, the internet, 1333 01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,959 are the worst enemy of deep, critical thinking. 1334 01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:12,039 Youth of today are using machines to basically replace 1335 01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:15,159 their examination of the things they're observing. 1336 01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:19,039 They don't understand what they're looking at or hearing or what they're learning. 1337 01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,879 They depend upon the internet to tell them and decipher it. 1338 01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:24,199 They look at numbers, instead of ideas. 1339 01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,639 They fail to understand concepts and this is a problem. 1340 01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,479 My hope would be there. . . are still going to be. . . 1341 01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:35,279 . .that the appeal of deep immersion in something, 1342 01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:38,599 that through the school system we still subject our kids to, 1343 01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:43,479 we can really try to turn them on to its charms, 1344 01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:47,719 so they become intrinsically self-motivated to pursue it. 1345 01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:52,559 Whether we use science or ancient Greek or philosophy, 1346 01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:54,399 it's those tools that are important. 1347 01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,479 Those are the things that people are gonna be able to use in the future. 1348 01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,359 The actual information they learn in school won't be important. 1349 01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,319 lt'll be dwarfed by the information 1350 01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:05,279 that's coming out on the internet every single day. 1351 01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,279 Historians, l think, will also see an interesting thing. 1352 01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:12,639 They'll probably call the time around now the Digital Dark Age. 1353 01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:14,799 lt will be very mysterious, 1354 01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:19,439 because a lot of things happened quickly, but the records will all be lost. 1355 01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,599 We don't have the handwritten letters, like we have from, 1356 01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,479 you know, the founders of the Constitution, 1357 01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:27,599 the Founding Fathers. 1358 01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,559 We have their letters with each other. 1359 01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,359 We can see the sort of background conversation 1360 01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,039 in creating the United States government. 1361 01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:38,839 We don't have the equivalent for the background conversation 1362 01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,279 in creating the internet, because it was all done on email. 1363 01:26:42,440 --> 01:26:46,959 There's a playful project called the Wikipedia Emergency Project, 1364 01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,479 that if there's ever going to be, possibly, a world-changing event - 1365 01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:51,999 a big volcanic eruption - 1366 01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:56,559 Wikipedia volunteers are supposed to start printing out Wikipedia pages madly 1367 01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:00,759 and storing the paper in places that their heirs can find it later. 1368 01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,559 What this scanner measures. . . lt's an MRl scanner 1369 01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:31,559 and it measures magnetic resonance energy that's emanating from the brain. 1370 01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,479 So it's really extra-sensory. 1371 01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:38,759 lt's precise enough to tell us what activity is occurring 1372 01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:43,239 in each little volume element the size of a peppercorn. 1373 01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:45,159 When you read a sentence that says, 1374 01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,719 "There are two elephants walking across the savanna," 1375 01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:53,559 a computer program can tell that the same thought is going on in your brain, 1376 01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,879 whether you're watching the video or reading the sentence. 1377 01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:58,919 At a conceptual level, it's the same. 1378 01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,759 lt's also the same for people across languages. 1379 01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,599 There's a universality of the alphabet of human thoughts 1380 01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:10,239 and it applies to the videos that Jack Gallant and his colleagues have found, 1381 01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:13,439 but it also applies to spoken and written speech. 1382 01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,559 So. . . And. . . And it crosses languages. 1383 01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:18,119 We have a vocabulary. 1384 01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,599 The brain has a vocabulary and we're beginning to discover it. 1385 01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:25,759 Right now, we need this $2 million machine that weighs 1 6,000lb, 1386 01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:27,559 but if you ask, in the future, 1387 01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:33,399 will some genius biophysicist invent a little cap or helmet that will do it, 1388 01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:35,879 l think that that's. . .that that's likely. 1389 01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:40,879 The energy, the electromagnetic energy, is just sitting there, it's sitting there. 1390 01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:43,519 So, you know, when you talk about telepathy. . . 1391 01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:48,359 Telepathy is. . .communication across a distance. 1392 01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:50,999 Well, we can already go a few millimetres 1393 01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:54,799 and, you know, it's just a matter of time before we can go thousands of miles. 1394 01:28:54,960 --> 01:29:00,399 You could, essentially, in the not-too-distant future, tweet thoughts. 1395 01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,919 So not type your little tweet, but think it, 1396 01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:09,559 press a button and all your followers could potentially read it. 1397 01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:13,799 Could you detect that this woman who is passing by and spots you 1398 01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:15,879 is just about to fall in love with you? 1399 01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:19,359 Now, that would be an innovation. That would be the. . . 1400 01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,919 the killer application, l guess you would say. 1401 01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,959 Well, l try not to make predictions about anything less than 1402 01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,399 two trillion years from now, for good reasons. 1403 01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,279 One is that no-one will be able to know if l'm wrong. 1404 01:29:30,440 --> 01:29:32,559 But one of the wonderful things about the future 1405 01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,319 is you don't know where it's gonna go 1406 01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:36,039 and the internet is, 1407 01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:38,479 like most results in science, out of control. 1408 01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:41,599 lf you think about predictions about the future as done in the past, 1409 01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:43,359 they always miss the important stuff. 1410 01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:45,359 ln fact, most science fiction missed 1411 01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:49,479 the most important thing about the present world, which is the internet itself. 1412 01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:52,159 They had flying cars. They had rocket ships. 1413 01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,719 None of that exists, but the internet governs our lives today. 1414 01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:58,519 lt used to be, that when you communicated with someone, 1415 01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:02,359 the person you were communicating with was as important as the information. 1416 01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:04,719 Now, on the internet, the person is unimportant. 1417 01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:08,439 lt was developed, so that scientists could communicate, scientists like me, 1418 01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:10,159 could communicate with each other, 1419 01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:13,599 without knowing where the other person was or even who the other person was. 1420 01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:15,759 There's a famous cartoon from The New Yorker, 1421 01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,719 which says, "On the internet, no-one knows if you're a dog." 1422 01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:20,759 ln the future, you won't know 1423 01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:24,039 if you're communicating with dogs or robots or people. 1424 01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:26,719 And it won't matter, but becoming your own filter 1425 01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:28,519 will be the challenge of the future. 1426 01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:32,199 The filter isn't provided with you. There's no controls on the internet. 1427 01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,319 No matter what governments do, no matter what industries do. . . 1428 01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:39,999 . .the internet is gonna propagate. . . out of control 1429 01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,999 and people will have to be their own controls. 1430 01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:47,719 l think, in the future, one next step from computation to communication 1431 01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:51,039 will be to sensing and remote sensing. 1432 01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:53,359 And mindreading via the internet? 1433 01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:56,439 One of those sensors will be brain-imaging sensors. 1434 01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:58,519 And you will transmit thoughts? 1435 01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,079 - Right. - The two of you. 1436 01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:09,799 Will our children's children's children need the companionship of humans? 1437 01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:13,399 Or will they have evolved in a world where that's not important? 1438 01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,119 lt sounds awful, doesn't it? 1439 01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:18,039 But maybe it'll be fine. 1440 01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:19,959 Maybe the companionship of robots, 1441 01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:23,799 maybe the companionship of an intelligent internet will be sufficient. 1442 01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:25,479 Who am l to say? 1443 01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:30,959 ♪ Salty Dog 1444 01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:36,519 ♪ l'm standing on the corner with a shovel in my hand 1445 01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:38,359 ♪ l'm looking for a woman want a working man 1446 01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:40,999 ♪ Let me be your salty dog 1447 01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:43,039 ♪ Oh, let me be your salty dog 1448 01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:44,879 ♪ Or l won't be your man at all 1449 01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:49,799 ♪ Let me be your salty dog 1450 01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:51,239 ♪ Or l won't be your man at all 1451 01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,839 ♪ Honey, let me be your salty dog 1452 01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:56,159 ♪ Well, let me be your salty dog 1453 01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:57,719 ♪ Or l won't be your man at all 1454 01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:00,039 ♪ Honey, let me be your salty dog 1455 01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,999 l wanted to do some pickin', cos l like that. 1456 01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:07,079 (Applause) 132648

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