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WERNER HERZOG: This is the campus
of the University of California in Los Angeles.
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Today, no one of the students
is aware that this is ground zero
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of one of the biggest revolutions
we as humans are experiencing.
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One of the science buildings here is considered
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the birthplace of the internet.
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This picture of some of the scientists
involved was taken at this very moment.
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The corridors here look repulsive
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and yet this one leads
to some sort of a shrine
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reconstructed years later,
when its importance had sunk in.
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Let's enter this very special place.
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We're now entering a sacred location.
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lt's the location
where the internet began.
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lt's a holy place,
and we've just come back to 1 969,
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when the critical events
of the origin began.
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That machine over there is the first piece
of the internet equipment ever installed.
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lt's a mini computer, which we now call
"a packet switch". This is a. . .
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. .military-hardened machine.
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You can't break it
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and it was meant to sustain itself,
unattended, for years at a time.
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This particular machine. . .
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. .is so ugly on the inside, it is beautiful.
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lt has a unique odour. (Sniffs)
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A delicious old odour
from all the old parts.
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lt consists of modems. . .
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. .CPU, logic units,
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memory, power supply,
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all the things you need to make
an efficient computer work.
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This machine served as the first node
of the internet for decades.
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And it was from here
that the first message was sent.
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A revolution began.
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And the only record we have
of what happened that day is in this log.
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On October 29th, 1 969, at 1 0:30 at night,
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we enter that we talked to
Stanford Research lnstitute,
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host to host, computer to computer.
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lt's very much like when,
on Columbus's ship,
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the fellow up on top
who first spotted land. . .
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. .he noticed it was and he basically made
an entry saying, "We spotted land."
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That document and this document have
at least the same equivalent importance.
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Now, what was that first message?
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Many people don't know it.
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All we wanted to do
was log in from our computer
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to a computer 400 miles to the north,
up in Stanford Research lnstitute.
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To log in, you have to type "L-O-G"
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and that machine is smart enough
to type the "l-N".
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Now, to make sure
this was happening properly,
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we had our programmer
and the programmer up north
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connected by a telephone handset,
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just to make sure it was going correctly.
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So, Charlie typed the "L"
and he said, "You get the L?"
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And Bill said, "Yep, l got the L."
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He typed the "O". "You get the O?"
"Yep, l got the O."
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He typed the "G".
"You get the G?" Crash !
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The SRl computer crashed.
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So, the first message ever on the internet
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was "lo", as in "lo and behold".
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We couldn't have asked
for a more succinct,
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more powerful,
more prophetic message than "lo".
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l've been involved
with the internet, really,
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since the very beginning.
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There are a number of things that would
characterise that involvement.
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One was l started out being the. . .
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essentially, the system designer
of the ARPANET, the very first packet net.
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l joined DARPA in the early 1 970s
and started two other networking programs,
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one a ground-based packet radio net,
like today's cellular phones,
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and a satellite net on lntelsat 4,
based on packets.
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The internet was about connecting them
all together.
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And, uh, the essential elements there
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were the protocols
that would make that possible
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and the technology
that would be needed inside the net
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to enable these different nets
to work together.
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WERNER: Vint Cerf, here in 1973,
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and Bob Kahn, collaborating together,
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created the fundamental protocol
for the internet.
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For this, they received
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some of the highest honours
our society can bestow.
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lmagine, if you will,
sitting down to your morning coffee,
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turning on your home computer
to read the day's newspaper.
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Well, it's not as far-fetched as it may seem.
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1 7 storeys up, in his fashionable
North Beach apartment,
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Richard Halloran is calling a local number
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that will connect him with a computer
in Columbus, Ohio.
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Meanwhile, across town,
in this less-than-fashionable cubby-hole
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at the San Francisco Examiner,
these editors are programming
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today's copy of the paper
into that same Ohio computer.
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When the telephone connection
between these two terminals is made,
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the newest form of electronic journalism
lights up Mr Halloran's television
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with just about everything the Examiner
prints in its regular addition.
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Of the estimated 2,000 to 3,000
home-computer owners in the Bay Area,
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The Chronicle reports over 500 have
responded by sending back coupons.
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WERNER: This report, considering
the numbers of internet users today,
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sounds already like pre-history.
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No-one at that time had a clue about
the explosion of information technology.
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Today, if you were to burn CDs of
the worldwide data flow for one single day
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and stack them up to a pile,
this pile would reach up to Mars and back.
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The internet is already
permeating everything.
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Even on the lnternational Space Station
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a phone call from one module to the next
goes via the internet.
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But how do we keep it running?
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How do we guard it?
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l still have a copy of the phone directory
from the late 1 970s
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of everybody who was on the internet
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and it was a document about that thick
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and it had the name, address
and telephone number of every single person.
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Actually, it had it twice, because it had
it once sorted by their email address
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and once sorted by their actual name.
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So, if you had a problem with anybody,
you could look them up, you could find them.
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You could find who the actual person was
associated with that email address.
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And, still today, l thumb through that
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and, you know, it's a surprising fraction
of the people l actually knew.
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For example, there were
two other Dannys on the internet
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and l knew them both -
l still know them both.
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Of course, now,
you can't even comprehend the idea
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of a directory that contains
the name of everybody.
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WERNER: Today, we couldn't know exactly.
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The directory might be
some 72 miles thick.
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The capacity on the ith channel. . .
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. .should be the traffic on the ith channel
over the speed of the ith channel,
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plus how much is left over.
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That's how much. . .
how much capacity is left over.
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And you split it, according to the square root
of the traffic on that channel,
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over the summation of the square root
over all channels.
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DANNY HlLLlS: The way that the internet works,
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there's no fixed route
that a message takes.
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ln the early days of the protocol,
there was a kind of a bug and one of the. . .
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computers actually had a hardware failure
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that made it believe that it could get
a message to some place in negative time.
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So, of course,
every message in the internet
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did better by sending it
through that computer,
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because it subtracted the time. . .
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. .required to send the message
and so all the messages in the internet
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started getting sent through that computer,
which got slower and slower.
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So the internet kind of started
to grind to a halt.
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The mean response time now will look like this.
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lt will be equal to the average path length
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times the summation of the square root
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of the traffic on the j channel
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over the sum of all traffics. . .
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. .summed over all channels. . .squared. . .
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. .over Mu C, one minus n bar Rho.
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Whatever that equation means, it tells you
what the minimum response time will be
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for a network once it's optimised.
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The computer was claiming
that it could deliver the message
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before you even sent it.
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So, if you had a Post Office like that,
of course you would use it. Right?
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This was a simplified,
but exact model, at the time.
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Now we have other aspects of it,
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but it's basically the underlying principles
of the network.
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And one of the things we found, surprisingly,
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was that the larger the network is,
the far more efficient it becomes.
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WERNER: Like a gambling casino
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that certainly makes money if you have
millions of gamblers at the slot machines?
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very much so. You've articulated
what we call "the law of large numbers".
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The law of large numbers says that
a large population of unpredictable players -
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or messages - collectively behaves
in a very predictable fashion.
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A fashion we can write down exactly.
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And, therefore, we can predict the performance
of a network when it's large.
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The underlying technology
has scaled by a factor of a million
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in computational speed, in bandwidth
of communications, in storage capacity
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and it may go for another decade
to a factor of a billion or even a trillion.
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Nothing in the history of mankind
has ever worked
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as a technological contribution
over that span of. . .of growth.
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WERNER: Back to the very early times,
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times of speculative concepts
of a connected world.
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ln the early '60s, many years before
the first Apple personal computer,
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a young thinker, Ted Nelson,
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had his own ideas
about creating a computer network.
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The web, as we know it,
took a different route,
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but Nelson's ideas are still dormant.
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TED NELSON: lt was an experience
of water and interconnection.
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l was with my grandparents
in a rowboat in Chicago.
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So l must have been five years old
and l was trailing my hand in the water.
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And l thought about how the water
was moving around my fingers,
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opening on one side
and closing on the other.
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And that changing system of relationships,
where everything was kind of similar,
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kind of similar, kind of the same
and yet different,
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that was so difficult
to visualise and express.
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And just generalising that
to the entire universe,
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that the world is a system
of ever-changing relationships
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and structures,
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struck me as. . .
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a vast truth, which it is.
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And. . . So, interconnection
and expressing that interconnection
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has been the centre of all my thinking.
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And all my computer work
has been about expressing and representing
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and showing interconnection
among writings, especially.
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And writing is the process of reducing
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a tapestry of interconnection
to a narrow sequence.
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And this is, in a sense, illicit.
This is. . .
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This is a wrongful compression
of what should spread out.
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ln today's computers, they betrayed that,
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because there is no system
for a decent cut and paste.
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They changed the meanings of the words
"cut" and "paste"
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and pretended it was the same thing.
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So a guy named Larry Tessler,
whom l consider to be a good friend,
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nevertheless, changed those words.
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l consider that a crime against humanity,
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and he doesn't understand why,
because humanity has no decent writing tools.
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ln any case, this is the problem of
interconnection and representation
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and sequentialisation, all. . .
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. .similar to the issue of water.
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So here we have a parallel presentation,
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that shows a quotation
connected to its original context.
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"ln the beginning, God created the heaven
and the earth." And where is that from?
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That is from the King James Bible.
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So we can step down to the next quotation.
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"Adam and Lilith immediately began to fight."
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And that is from. . .
the Alphabet of Ben Sira.
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And so, as we pull back, we can see
successive pages coming up
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to connect with their sources
or with their linked contents.
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WERNER: His vision of links
never materialised.
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By some,
he was labelled insane for clinging on.
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There are two contradictory slogans.
One is that continuing to do the same thing
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and expecting a different result
is the definition of insanity.
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On the other hand,
"lf at first you don't succeed, try, try again."
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l prefer the latter, because l don't want to be
remembered as the guy who didn't.
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WERNER: No, to. . .to us,
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you appear to be the only one around
who is clinically sane.
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No-one has ever said that before!
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Usually, l hear the opposite.
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Thank you very much for talking with us.
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lt was wonderful.
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(Werner laughs)
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Marvellous. What a. . . What a team.
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- (Camera bleeps)
- Yes, now it's your turn.
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WERNER: Today, the sheer numbers
of unpredictable players on the internet
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has led to some of its greatest glories.
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Fundamental research into cancer, AlDS
and other diseases
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has been slowed down
by a complex problem,
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which has to do with
the intricate folding of molecules.
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Scientists using super computers
could not solve it.
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Adrien Treuille was one of the creators
of a video game
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calling upon the community of video gamers
out there in the world.
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Here we can see an RNA molecule
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folded up into, uh, this beautiful helical pattern.
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lt forms a helix.
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And, uh, the amazing thing
is that this pattern
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is formed out very, very simple rules,
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which pull it together and create this shape.
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And so it's a little bit like. . .uh. . .
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you can think of your hands as. . .
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There are simple rules
which determine how it can bend
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and then there are certain ways
in which it loves to come together
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to form a compact shape
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and that's just what these molecules
are doing in the body.
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And your shirts?
For example, you are into shirt folding?
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These molecules. . .fold up
in much the same way that a shirt folds.
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You can imagine it starts
completely unfolded
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and not at all suitable
to put in your drawer,
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but if you follow very, very simple rules,
it becomes this beautiful package
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that you can then, uh, store and. . .
and show.
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We took the latest scientific models
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of, uh, of biomolecule folding
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and we created a game
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and we put it on the web,
without knowing what would happen.
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And without knowing
if it would be fun, at all,
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if anyone would come.
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And. . . lnstantly, people arrived
and they broke down the computers.
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We had to build new computers
and they, uh, and they played
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and they spoke with one another
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and they taught one another
about the science, as non-experts.
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And they began reading papers
and they began studying and understanding.
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We have lawyers.
We have school kids.
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Um. . . We have retired people.
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We have bedridden people.
We have grandmas.
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Uh. . . Every. . . lt's really everyone
from age ten to age 1 00.
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WERNER: This idea was impossible
before the internet
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and the response was stunning.
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within days, hundreds of thousands
joined in and they solved the puzzle.
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The world responded and it was beautiful.
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And here is where you design a new molecule.
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And, in many ways,
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we tried to. . .
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. .subliminally, you might say. . .
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. .help the players understand
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and inhabit the world of the molecule.
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So we placed the whole game in this water
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and we put all of these little bubbles
in the background,
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but they're part of the story
of what's happening.
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Each molecule has its own sound.
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And these sounds are specifically designed,
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so that when the molecule is well folded,
they form harmonies.
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(High-pitched beep)
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(Deeper beep)
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And if something doesn't fit together,
it will form a dissonance.
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(Beeps)
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lt's actually kind of hard to make it do it!
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These are real chemical results
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of actual molecules that we players designed
and we built them.
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So we say EteRNA is played by humans,
but scored by nature.
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ln other words, nature determines who wins
and who loses the game and not science.
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WERNER: The solutions of the video gamers
are not just fantasies.
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They are verifiable
and can be synthesised in the lab.
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Sebastian Thrun
is also reaching out into the world.
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Originally, he has become famous
with self-driving cars.
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My dream is to go and give
every human being a chance
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and the best way to do this is education,
so we built this little company,
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that we called Udacity,
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that offers education for free.
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We have hundreds of thousands of students
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staying with us at any
given point in time.
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We've been amazed how fast
our student base has grown.
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There's really a thirst for education.
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As the machines are becoming smarter,
l think people want to become smarter,
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people want to make a contribution.
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lt's harder and harder to make a contribution,
even harder in the future,
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so we've really got to go
and do something for ourselves
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and the best thing we can do is,
l think, education.
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ln the very beginning
of my journey into education,
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l had a chance to teach a class online
and teach a class at Stanford.
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At Stanford, we got 200 students.
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l consider myself an extremely great teacher,
so l get a large class,
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but online we got 1 60,000 students.
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1 60,000.
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And when we finally finished this class,
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we were able to stack-rank
the Stanford students,
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who are the most privileged
and most selected students,
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with the students from the open world
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and the top 41 2 students,
they weren't at Stanford.
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The best performing Stanford student
was number 41 3, out of a class of 200.
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That opened my eyes and l realised,
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"My God, for every great Stanford student,
there is 41 2 amazingly great,
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even better, students in the world
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that don't make it to Stanford."
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MAN: Just before heading into
the mountain section of the course,
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Stanley tracked down
and passed the crippled Highlander,
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putting Stanford Racing Team's
volkswagen Touareg
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into the leader position
and effectively ending Highlander's bid for glory.
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As Stanley crosses the finish line,
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the Stanford Racing Team
has made its way into the history books.
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WERNER: This was Sebastian Thrun's
moment of glory back in 2005.
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Most of his competitors
were a sorry sight.
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History has already been made,
as Highlander crosses the eight-mile mark,
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further than any vehicle travelled
in the inaugural Grand Challenge.
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20 more teams followed the big three
out of the gate,
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all hoping to complete the 1 32-mile course
in a winning time.
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Team DAD,
with its rotating cluster of sensors,
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sped off the line, making up ground
and passing Team Axion in the process.
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Team ENSCO's buggy-style robot, Dexter,
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also left the line with a full head of steam,
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fiercely attacking the desert terrain.
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Kat-5, the Ford Escape hybrid,
from Louisiana's Gray team
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eased its way past the crowd.
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And Terramax, the 1 6-ton cargo hauler,
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left the gate determined to finish the course.
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WERNER: Autonomous cars
are developing rapidly.
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Today, you don't see big radar installations
or tons of equipment.
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So our primary objective when we built this car
was to basically make it look
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very normal on the outside and the inside.
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The vehicle can send information
about what it is seeing to the internet,
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which can be useful
to other vehicles on the road.
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lt can also download information
about what is happening on the roads,
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before it reaches an accident area
or a traffic jam, for example.
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WERNER: So the internet
will be decisive very soon?
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The internet will play
a very important role in this, yes.
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Can you open it? lt must be packed
with electronics. Show us.
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So just like we humans have our brains
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to basically process all the incoming signals,
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we need to have computers,
which process all the signals from the LiDARs
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and the radars and the cameras.
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WERNER: l can't see anything.
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Really, there's nothing to see.
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lt's a completely useable empty trunk space,
but hidden behind. . .
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. .under the. . .trunk. . .
is a set of computers.
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There are four computers,
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each with four so-called
processing cores.
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So it's really equal to 1 6
personal computing machines,
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which basically crunch all the data
coming in from sensors.
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These dots that you see are basically
reflections from laser beams,
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from the laser LIDAR sensors on the car.
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They emIt lIght beams, hIt obstacles
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and they come back as reflectIons
and they show up as dots.
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But It only sees a vIrtual world.
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lt really, lIterally, sees a vIrtual world.
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The bIg questIon, basIcally,
Is does It understand the ethIcs of a human?
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Does It understand
the values of human socIety?
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For example, our vehIcle,
what It would lIke to do, basIcally,
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Is not hIt anybody,
as the hIghest prIorIty.
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And then, If It has to hIt somethIng,
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It would prefer to hIt somethIng than somebody.
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But what It really wants to do
Is not hIt anythIng or anybody, at all.
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WERNER: But who is going to be liable
in case of an accident?
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The on-board computer,
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its designer, the GPS system,
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the internet or the driver
who eats his breakfast?
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When a car makes a mIstake
and learns from It,
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that experIence Is Instantaneously shared
wIth all the other cars.
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So all the other cars learn, as well.
lt's somethIng that people can't do very well.
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So, If l make a mIstake -
l have made many In drIvIng -
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then l can commIserate and l can Improve,
but nobody else learns from It.
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When a self-drIvIng car makes a mIstake,
automatIcally, all the other cars know about It,
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IncludIng all future unborn cars,
wIll never make that same mIstake agaIn.
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WhIch means the abIlIty for cars
to develop an artIfIcIal IntellIgence
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Is so much greater than the abIlIty
of people to keep up wIth them.
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Let me show you one of our robots.
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ThIs robot essentIally has four wheels
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and each of these wheels have
these tIny rollers on them.
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What thIs allows thIs robot to do Is,
essentIally, to drIve sIdeways,
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as well as forwards, as well as turn,
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wIthout havIng to do anythIng
lIke parallel-parkIng manoeuvres.
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So that makes these robots
extremely versatIle In theIr motIon.
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To kIck the ball,
what these robots have Is a maIn kIcker,
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whIch slIdes the length of the robot
and kIcks the ball forward.
403
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We also have a chIpkIcker,
whIch can kIck the ball upward
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and that makes the ball go up Into the aIr.
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WERNER: These robots are autonomous.
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Nobody steers them with a joystick.
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Once a defender Is In place,
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It'll be a bIt more challengIng
for thIs robot to score.
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00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,199
ln the RoboCup, thIs year,
we have not let In a sIngle goal,
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although we scored 48 goals In total
agaInst the opponents.
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- So you are World ChampIons?
- We are.
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We came fIrst, thIs year,
In the RoboCup InternatIonal competItIon.
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The blue robots need to have
an IndIrect free kIck,
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so they're fIgurIng out
how they should pass between themselves.
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WERNER: Could thIs team eventually beat
the real BrazIlIan football team?
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That Is the goal of RoboCup.
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That Is, by 2050,
to have a team of soccer-playIng robots,
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whIch can defeat the FlFA World ChampIons,
and, uh, we'll see It happen.
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l'm. . . l'm very hopeful
that we'll actually get a team of robots,
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whIch are confIdent enough
and smart and IntellIgent enough
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to actually beat the World ChampIons In 2050.
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Better than MessI, Ronaldo and Neymar?
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Um. . . lt sounds dIffIcult,
but we can get there.
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We can get there.
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We have a certaIn reverence for Robot 8.
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l mean, to us, sayIng "Robot 8"
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Is equal to someone sayIng
"MessI" or "Ronaldo" or somethIng.
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lt's the same.
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ThIs, here, Is Robot 8.
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lt's very IdentIfIable, because Its
pattern Includes four green dots on top
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and. . .It's. . .
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lt's one of our favourItes, actually.
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WERNER: BeautIful.
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- Do you love It?
- Yes. We do.
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We do love Robot 8.
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The day NIkkI passed away,
we were scheduled to see a psychIatrIst.
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She'd had some. . .
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. .psychotIc Issues, where she had
a braIn tumour when she was very young,
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and It was tIme to do
some research on her.
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l thInk she was feelIng nervous, that,
If she were to go to thIs appoIntment,
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she mIght get stuck In the hospItal,
because that had happened before.
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And. . .
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at some poInt, a couple of hours
before her appoIntment, she. . .left the house.
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She took. . .CrIsto's Porsche
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and drove away.
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l saw all the polIce and l started to walk
down the on-ramp
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and they stopped me and they saId
l wasn't allowed down there.
448
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And l asked If It was my daughter In the car,
what car It was.
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They wouldn't gIve me any InformatIon.
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And then a crane lIfted up the car.
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And once It lIfted up the car,
l realIsed It was the Porsche.
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WERNER: Adding to the tragedy,
a first-responder took photos
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of the nearly-decapitated head of the girl
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and emailed it to some friends.
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Almost instantly,
the pictures were out on the internet
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and hundreds of thousands,
possibly millions, clicked on them.
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Hoping to avoid
a new wave of sick curiosity,
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we are here, not even showing
a picture of Nikki alive,
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only a place in the house she liked.
460
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:57,439
Up untIl l saw the. . .pIctures on
the Internet, l had an Image of NIkkI. . .
461
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,199
. .as a perfect. . .
462
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,079
a perfect face, a perfect. . .um. . .um. . .
463
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,559
. .condItIon.
464
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,959
The coroner told us. . .
The only thIng the coroner told us Is that
465
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,119
a portIon of her thumb had been. . .
severed In the accIdent. . .
466
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,359
. .and that she had a head trauma,
but they never gave us any detaIl.
467
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,199
So l always focused on the thumb.
468
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,119
l receIved emaIls wIth the. . .
wIth the pIctures attached.
469
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,519
And It was. . .a short tIme after the accIdent.
470
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,839
Um. . .
471
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,279
lt was dIsguIsed.
l dIdn't know who the emaIl came from.
472
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,359
And l opened It up.
473
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,319
And the bad ones
were very, um, hateful. . .
474
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,879
. .very, um, hateful towards me,
475
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,959
towards NIkkI, towards our famIly.
476
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,679
lt saId, "Dead GIrl WalkIng,
whoo-hoo, Daddy, l'm stIll alIve."
477
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,279
- Whoo-hoo?
- Whoo-hoo.
478
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,599
Do you stIll feel the paIn
when you receIve thIs?
479
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:05,879
Yes.
480
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,439
- And It's never goIng to leave you?
- Never.
481
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:18,439
Some of the hate mail was so unspeakably
horrifying that we cannot repeat it here.
482
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,279
We were told there was nothIng
that could be done,
483
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,999
because there's no law In place for. . .
484
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,119
. .pIctures of deceased people,
485
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,719
because, when they pass away,
theIr prIvacy rIghts go wIth them.
486
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,039
l dIdn't know such depravIty
exIsted In humans.
487
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,679
And l thInk dogs treat theIr kInd
better than humans treat theIr kInd.
488
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:58,079
lt's just there Is no dIgnIty or respect
on the Internet,
489
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,279
because we're not held accountable,
nobody's there to tell us not to.
490
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,359
l have always belIeved that the Internet
Is a manIfestatIon
491
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,879
of the AntIchrIst, of evIl Itself.
492
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,559
lt Is the spIrIt of evIl.
493
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,479
And l feel lIke It's runnIng through. . .
494
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,159
. .everybody on earth
495
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:34,759
and It's. . .claImIng Its vIctorIes
In those people that are also evIl.
496
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,919
WERNER: west Virginia, the small town
of Green Bank in Appalachia.
497
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,159
What you're seeIng behInd me
Is a very large telescope,
498
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,319
1 00 metres In dIameter.
499
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,999
But Instead of pIckIng up the lIght,
as normal telescopes do,
500
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,039
It pIcks up the radIo waves
that are comIng from the unIverse,
501
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,719
from objects out there
as close as the planets,
502
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,239
but as far as, actually, the BIg Bang.
503
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,879
WERNER: The telescope discovered
the black hole in our own galaxy,
504
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,839
the Milky way.
505
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,959
In the visitors' centre,
you can roll your coins into a funnel,
506
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,119
which resembles a black hole.
507
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,359
Your coins indeed disappear irretrievably.
508
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,879
lf there was a cIvIlIsatIon lIke ours
on a nearby planet,
509
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,279
we could almost certaInly pIck up
some of theIr televIsIon statIons,
510
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,239
perhaps some of theIr radar.
511
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,719
Who knows what?
512
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,479
ThIs collectIng area
Is several acres In. . .In sIze
513
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,999
and It can pIck up enormous sIgnals
from an enormous dIstance,
514
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,079
but they've travelled so far,
that they are so faInt, that, typIcally,
515
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,039
they contaIn a lot less energy
516
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,639
than the energy of a fallIng snowflake
settlIng on the ground.
517
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,439
The enemy of radIo astronomy
518
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,999
Is the natural radIo sIgnals
that we make on earth,
519
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,719
eIther delIberately or accIdentally.
520
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,639
Uh, thIngs lIke mIcrowave ovens
can emIt radIatIon,
521
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,959
whIch can blInd us to the sIgnals
that are comIng from the stars.
522
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,479
Cell phones are
bIllIons of bIllIons of tImes stronger
523
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,799
than the faInt sIgnals we're lookIng for.
524
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,599
SatellItes, they beam straIght down on us.
525
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,159
- MusIc statIons?
- MusIc statIons, yes.
526
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,519
- PlayIng ElvIs?
- PlayIng ElvIs!
527
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,799
We've managed to keep
cell phone transmIssIons out.
528
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,079
Your smart phones are dumb here.
They just do not work.
529
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,839
We really try to keep
wIreless transmIssIons of any kInd
530
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,079
suppressed wIthIn about ten mIles
of the observatory.
531
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,999
For a long tIme,
we had a fleet of chequered dIesels
532
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,479
and these were the standard New York CIty
cabs and they were very precIous to us,
533
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,359
because they were the perfect vehIcle
for radIo astronomers.
534
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,199
These do not have spark plugs.
They don't make noIse.
535
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,999
(BIrdsong)
536
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,199
WERNER: ln the forest near the telescope,
we met a modern-day hermit.
537
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,639
So, see? l've fInally gone hIgh-tech !
538
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,719
l've got a faucet Installed.
539
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,879
Really makes a dIfference, l have to say.
540
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,439
l became very Ill
from radIatIon sIckness In 1 996.
541
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,319
Um. . . And l. . . l lost 50lb.
542
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,119
l nearly dIed. . .uh, three tImes.
543
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,919
And l. . . l became reactIve
to all the wIreless-radIatIon sIgnals,
544
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,359
when all the cell phones went up.
545
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,799
They went up In massIve numbers In 1 996.
546
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,559
And l trIed to do all kInd of treatment.
547
00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:55,759
l moved. l lost my career.
548
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,519
l was workIng as an archItect In Honolulu.
549
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,079
l had to be separated
from my famIly and chIldren.
550
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:04,479
And, fInally, l heard about thIs In 201 1 .
551
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:08,319
And as soon as l heard
there was a place wIth no cell towers,
552
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,279
l was here In 48 hours.
553
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,199
SometImes, If l have
really bad reactIons to radIatIon,
554
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,319
l actually wIll sleep on the ground.
l feel better on the ground.
555
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,599
And there may be a scIence to thIs.
They say that the ground emIts 7.83 hertz
556
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,159
and It's the natural rhythm
for anImals and humans.
557
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,359
l also sleep In my car,
whIch l InstInctIvely dId In the begInnIng.
558
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,599
l later learned that It acts lIke
a partIal Faraday cage.
559
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,039
The metal keeps out
a lot of the radIatIon.
560
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,279
ThIs place In Green Bank Is wonderful.
561
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,439
lt's not perfect, but l can go outsIde.
562
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,799
l can see the trees. l can see the sky.
l can see the stars.
563
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,719
When l lIved In the Faraday cage,
l had to lIve In a box
564
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,759
and l only left the box when l wanted to go
to the bathroom or to use the shower.
565
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,359
OtherwIse, l stayed In that box day and nIght.
566
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,839
WERNER: ln a cage?
- ln a Faraday cage.
567
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,279
How long?
568
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,239
Oh, a couple of years.
569
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,039
Several years.
570
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,639
l had a mattress
and l dIdn't have a place to stand up.
571
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,439
l had to stay on the bed the entIre tIme.
572
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,439
My husband went grocery shoppIng.
573
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,599
He cooked the food.
He would brIng and serve me the food.
574
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,919
We'd open the door, he'd hand me the plate
and l'd eat InsIde the Faraday cage.
575
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,839
l've heard It also called as "a super sense".
576
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,999
That we just have thIs abIlIty to,
for whatever reason, feel these frequencIes.
577
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,959
lt's a very legItImate Illness.
578
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,999
But l. . . At thIs poInt, l don't consIder It a gIft.
579
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,399
l would gIve anythIng to gIve It back.
580
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,039
You're the refugee now?
581
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,799
l. . . Yes, l don't know what to call myself.
582
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,599
ThIs Is brand-new and l just want people
to know that thIs type of Illness. . .
583
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,559
And doctors, l really want them to hear
that thIs Is a legItImate Illness.
584
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,559
Um. . . And It affects our lIves tremendously,
you have no Idea.
585
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,279
When you go home today,
after thIs IntervIew,
586
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,599
you have the luxury of goIng home
to your famIlIar surroundIngs.
587
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,439
You have that luxury
to go back to your famIlIes.
588
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,879
l haven't had that
In four and a half years.
589
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,719
l haven't had any stabIlIty.
590
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,639
And l just have to Impress upon you
591
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,079
how serIous thIs Is
for those of us that are sufferIng.
592
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,279
And l'm extremely grateful
that there Is a locatIon here
593
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,359
where l am no longer In paIn.
594
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:37,159
Or whatever type of Irreparable harm
may be beIng done to my body
595
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,999
wIll be eIther suspended
or temporarIly arrested.
596
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,839
(LIvely fIddle musIc)
597
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,879
There Is a lot more communIty InteractIon
In a place lIke thIs,
598
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,159
l thInk, because of the absence
of the cellular technology
599
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,119
and also because of the IsolatIon
600
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,839
of a rural communIty
In such a beautIful place lIke thIs.
601
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,839
And, yes, l do play the fIddle
and the banjo at nIght.
602
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,959
(LIvely jIg)
603
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,919
♪ My old lady gets mad at me,
she gets drunk on gInger tea
604
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,199
♪ She Is good and she Is bad,
gIve me the devIl when she gets mad
605
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,879
♪ GoIng up CrIpple Creek, goIng on a run
606
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,799
♪ GoIng up CrIpple Creek
to have a lIttle fun
607
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,519
♪ l'll raIse my brItches then to my knees,
l'll wade old CrIpple Creek when l please
608
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,159
(BIrdsong)
609
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,599
WERNER: The state of washington
across the continent.
610
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,599
ln an idyllic forest not far from Seattle,
611
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,999
a REhab centRE for internet addiction
named "RESTART" was established.
612
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,839
Well, there are so many of these severe cases.
613
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,999
For Instance, In South Korea, there was
the case of a couple that had a young baby
614
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,759
and they were very much addIcted to a game
615
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,479
that they went to play,
whIle neglectIng theIr chIld at home.
616
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,079
And thIs baby eventually starved to death
and they went to jaIl for thIs.
617
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:47,519
But It Is because they were hooked on a game
and, IronIcally, It was a game
618
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:53,079
In whIch they were takIng care of
and nurturIng, In the game, a young gIrl,
619
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:57,799
but, as they were doIng that,
theIr own chIld was starvIng to death.
620
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,279
Shortly after we opened reSTART,
we got a call from a stepmom.
621
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,919
Her stepson was lIvIng wIth hIs grandmother
622
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,359
and had just had hIs leg amputated,
623
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,599
because he'd developed a thrombosIs
In hIs leg from lack of movement.
624
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:14,999
So we. . .
625
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,839
We know of cases, uh, many cases happenIng
In Korea and ChIna,
626
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,079
of people who are dyIng at the computer
627
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:27,119
because they are playIng for
40, 50, 60 hours at a tIme and not. . .
628
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,879
and completely neglectIng
theIr body's physIcal needs.
629
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,639
WERNER: lt is not uncommon
that in South KoREa
630
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,359
teenage video gamers put on diapers.
631
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,999
This way, they avoid losing points
by going to the bathroom.
632
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,039
WERNER: Tom, you do not need
any further introduction. This was great.
633
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,839
My lowest point came at
the beginning of this year.
634
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,119
New Year's Eve,
l had lost a job.
635
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,279
l was losing my girlfriend,
636
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,279
my family, my relations
were very strained,
637
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,639
and l tried to drink myself to death.
638
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:17,879
Suicide?
639
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,159
l was playing video games
1 6 hours a day, often drunk.
640
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,279
l watched porn a lot.
641
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,199
And l just had given up.
642
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,239
l had no future.
l had no will to live.
643
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,719
l was just waiting for the timer to run out.
644
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,919
l was in my spring quarter in college
645
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,999
and l was doing nothing except sleeping
about six hours a day
646
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,879
and playing video games
and absolutely not attending any of my classes,
647
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,839
not doing any of my work
and lying to my parents about my progress.
648
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,199
So it was a lot of lying, manipulation,
isolation, especially,
649
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,239
which are all common things for addicts,
650
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,799
but mine were pretty much sleep
651
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:03,359
and, you know, interact with my addiction.
652
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,799
Did you adopt certain characters
that became almost like you?
653
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,159
(Sighs)
654
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,399
l'm not sure l'm comfortable with that,
cos l'm still in the phase
655
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,919
where thinking too deeply
about my own intricacies could set me off,
656
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:24,279
could really start that craving
and start those withdrawal symptoms again.
657
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,159
l wanted very much to discuss
fictional characters with Chloe,
658
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:35,159
like the malevolent druid dwarf -
or whoever these figures are -
659
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,799
but l had to desist.
660
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,919
The real danger to gaming is when. . .
661
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:58,599
. .you. . .when l stopped being present
in the real world. . .
662
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,599
. .more often than l was in the game world.
663
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,679
lf. . . lf you get to the point where. . .
664
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,559
. .you're thinking about the game
more than you're thinking about real life,
665
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:18,839
what you're gonna do for food,
what you're gonna do the next day or two,
666
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,039
you know, you're not thinking about
a relationship or a job or a career.
667
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,679
lf you're thinking about the game,
it's a problem.
668
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,319
Because, eventually, it will get
in the way of everything real.
669
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,279
WERNER: Our sun, the giver of life.
670
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,959
At the same time,
it is hostiIe, destructive.
671
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:03,519
Protuberances, unimaginable in size,
are being hurled into the universe.
672
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,039
These flares may become
the undoing of modern civilisation.
673
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,079
Well, the best known historical example
of a very large solar flare
674
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:18,559
is an event called "the Carrington Event",
which happened in 1 859.
675
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,999
This was observed by an astronomer named
Carrington, who saw a patch of the sun,
676
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,719
as he was monitoring sun spots,
grow brighter.
677
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,319
ln those days, the predominant form
of technology was the telegraph.
678
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,679
That was our main form of communication.
679
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,119
And this very, very large flare that happened -
680
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,119
that created a brightness change so great
681
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,319
that Carrington could actually see it with his eye,
which is very uncommon -
682
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,479
actually induced currents in telegraph wires
683
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,159
that created fires in the paper
of the telegraph machines.
684
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,119
There's even reports from that time
685
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,559
of aurora being seen
as far south as the equator.
686
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,679
And there being aurora so bright
at the northern latitudes
687
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,119
that it was possible
to read by them at night.
688
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,559
We've been fortunate that nothing
as large as the Carrington Event
689
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:10,719
has happened in these times
of modern technology,
690
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,599
but even the smaller solar-flare events
that we do see
691
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,239
do disrupt our communications
692
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,279
and create outages in our power grid
and disruptions for our satellites.
693
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,879
(Explosions)
694
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,839
(Crowd gasps)
695
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,559
WOMAN: Oh, my God !
696
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,199
MAN: What the fuck?
697
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,799
WOMAN: What was that?
698
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,399
WERNER: New York City.
699
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,679
What Hurricane Sandy caused here
could happen on a worldwide scale
700
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,479
and much worse.
701
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,999
No electricity, no internet,
702
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,719
no drinking water, no flushing of toilets,
703
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,799
no gas and no shopping.
704
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,199
TV: All you could see was the outline
of the hospital against a darkened sky.
705
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,719
A lone flashlight up in one of
the hospital rooms there,
706
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,159
as doctors and nurses
rushed from patient to patient.
707
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,479
Out front, ambulances. These images from
my iPhone, as we approach the hospital.
708
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,439
Just one of the nearly 300 patients,
709
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,239
who were, one by one,
brought out and taken to safety.
710
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,239
What we got going on here is a complete
black-out in New York City and. . .
711
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:16,119
l'm on the third floor of Clear Channel,
where Z1 00, KTU, Lite fm, Q,
712
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,159
we're all located on the third floor.
713
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,759
Every station is off the air in New York City.
714
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,239
l don't think it's ever happened
in the history of broadcasting in New York.
715
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,839
lt's like a Will Smith movie, man.
lt's very weird.
716
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,399
very weird. And l feel kind of helpless,
because l'm glad l'm here and l'm safe,
717
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,479
but there's a lot of crap
going on at home.
718
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,759
- My neighbours tell me it's a big mess.
- Yeah.
719
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,959
So l'm nervous about
what l'm gonna head home to tomorrow.
720
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,159
What's up?
721
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,439
RADlO DJ: This is a control room.
722
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,119
WERNER: Meet Lawrence Krauss.
723
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:58,079
As a cosmologist, he is studying
the origins of our universe.
724
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:02,039
Much of his attention
has been focused on our planet.
725
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,799
lf there's a solar flare,
726
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,759
if you destroyed the information fabric
of the world right now,
727
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,879
modern civilisation would collapse.
728
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,079
Hundreds of millions of people will die.
Billions of people will die.
729
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,999
The world will become. . .from. . .
730
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:24,839
for every. . .for people like you and me,
unimaginably ugly, difficult and. . .
731
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,799
. .and there's a great likelihood
that l couldn't survive.
732
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,599
lf the internet shuts down,
733
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,999
people will not remember
how they used to live before that.
734
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,799
l start to think of Maslow's
hierarchy of needs.
735
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,959
l mean, let's get back to the base of the pyramid
and think about food and shelter.
736
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,359
You have food networks that are hugely
dependent on being able to route digitally
737
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,079
what the needs are and where.
738
00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:00,559
And, through efficiencies created
when the network is working well,
739
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:04,239
you don't have warehouses near people
stocked to the brim with food.
740
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,479
lf you disrupt those networks, l imagine. . .
Uh, what do they say?
741
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:13,239
"Civilisation is always about
four square meals away from utter ruin."
742
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,319
That's something that it wouldn't be bad
to. . .to prepare for.
743
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:23,239
As we've thought about an internet of things,
where often for purely. . .
744
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,239
looked at at this moment,
unnecessary reasons,
745
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,599
we not only attach daily objects
to the internet,
746
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,279
but make them reliant on that internet
connection in order to function properly.
747
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,199
So the idea that our standard appliances
couldn't work without connectivity,
748
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,359
um, that we wouldn't be able to get. . .uh. . .
749
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,199
. .uh, to a restaurant
750
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,159
that, in turn, would be able to get
to food and to organise staff. . .
751
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,879
l suspect, however,
that some individuals will survive.
752
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:56,839
Let us remember, that we come from
a background where, at one point. . .
753
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,839
. .there were less than
a thousand individuals alive,
754
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,519
probably down in south. . .
the southern part of Africa,
755
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:09,279
and we were a hair's breath away from. . .
from disappearing as a species.
756
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,359
LUClANNE WALKOWlCZ: We have no control
over what the sun chooses to do.
757
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,559
We do know that there is a solar cycle.
758
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:18,439
So there are times of high activity,
when there are many flares,
759
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,159
and times of low activity,
when there are relatively few.
760
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:27,199
Events like the Carrington Event appear to be
fairly uncommon, but not non-existent.
761
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,799
They're not single, isolated events.
We do see that flares are repeatable.
762
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,439
lt's just that the large ones are
less common than the small ones.
763
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,519
So, by observing other stars, actually,
we can get some idea of how frequently
764
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,199
these things happen and it seems to be
every few hundred years or so.
765
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,999
So, it's really a matter of time
before we have a large solar flare.
766
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,839
- Um, not a matter. . .
- lt's when?
767
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,879
Yes. Not a matter of
"if" we'll have a large solar flare.
768
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,639
Will we disappear as a species?
769
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,599
Again, Werner,
770
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,039
l can't tell you,
because l don't make predictions.
771
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:05,399
lt will be unimaginably bad
and l prefer to not think about it right now.
772
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,719
WERNER: Las Vegas, Nevada.
773
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,879
One of the casinos
is preparing to host DefCon,
774
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,279
the annual convention
of the hacker community.
775
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:33,119
In Iess than two decades,
it has grown to 20,000 participants.
776
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:39,719
At Ieast a thousand of them wiII be FBI,
the ClA, the Chinese secret service
777
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,119
and other interested parties.
778
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:47,559
We are about to meet Kevin Mitnick,
a demigod among the community of hackers.
779
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,959
Just mentioning his name here
makes everyone fall silent in awe.
780
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,199
Am l proud of being
the world's most famous hacker?
781
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:03,039
Um, it's a. . . lt's a title
that's kind of cool to have, but, um. . .
782
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,199
l had a lot of trials and tribulations
to get to that point.
783
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,999
A lot of bad happened in my life, like,
for example, going to a federal prison.
784
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,879
So it's a title that was earned,
but l took the hard road.
785
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,999
When l was a federal fugitive,
786
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,919
l was really concerned, obviously,
about getting arrested.
787
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,759
So what l did is l hacked into
the cell phone company,
788
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,439
one of the cell phone companies
in Los Angeles,
789
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,599
and through what we call "metadata". . .
790
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,799
Now, it's interesting, because nowadays,
with the revelations of Edward Snowden,
791
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,999
he talked about metadata being very. . .
792
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,879
critical in the NSA's ability
to track us and surveil us.
793
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,999
And the NSA says, "Oh, it's only metadata.
lt doesn't mean anything."
794
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,239
Well, let me tell you
how l was able to use metadata
795
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,519
to track the FBl in the 1 990s.
796
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,639
l was able to hack into the cell phone
company and l was able to identify
797
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:57,119
the phone numbers that belonged to the FBl
white-collar crime squad in Los Angeles.
798
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,879
And l was able to look at their phone. . .
799
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,919
Not at. . . l couldn't get the content of the call,
800
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,759
but l could see who they called
and who called them.
801
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,639
So l was able to get a lot of intelligence
and then what l was able to do is,
802
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,799
through this device,
l was able to program this device
803
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,079
with all the FBl's cell phone numbers
804
00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:18,239
of the people that were in charge of
my investigation.
805
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,359
lt would start sending me pager alerts,
806
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,359
that the FBl's cell phone is here,
you know, within a mile.
807
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,039
So, what l did that night is l took all my
computer stuff, my floppy disks, my CDs,
808
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,799
anything that was technology-related,
l put it at a friend's house
809
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,759
and then l went to Winchell's Donuts.
810
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,959
And l got a big. . . l think it was
a 24-box of, you know, donuts.
811
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,079
And l took a Sharpie
and wrote "FBl donuts" on the box.
812
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:43,559
l put it in the refrigerator,
813
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:46,439
and on a big Post-it note
outside my refrigerator. . .
814
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,839
You know the logo for lntel,
it says, "lntel lnside"?
815
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,039
l put "FBl donuts inside"
and stuck it on the refrigerator.
816
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:58,359
And it just so happens,
at 6am that morning, l. . . l. . . l wake up.
817
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,079
How l wake up is l hear somebody
jiggling the door.
818
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:05,399
The FBl knocks. They don't jiggle doors.
l go, "Who is it?" Just instinctively.
819
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,359
l thought someone was trying to break in.
820
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,039
"FBl ! Open up! Open up!"
821
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,359
And they're looking for anything electronic,
a computer, a cell phone.
822
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:13,959
And nothing is there.
823
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,079
As soon as one of the guys gets to
the refrigerator, he just goes. . .
824
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:19,679
He goes, "What the fuck?"
825
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,639
You know? He was just pissed.
They obviously knew l knew they were coming.
826
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,119
So they were not happy.
827
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,559
l was arrested and l was in court
and l thought l was going home that day
828
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:32,879
and then this federal prosecutor
tells the judge
829
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,639
that we not only have to
hold Mr Mitnick without bail,
830
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,239
but we have to make sure
he can't get to a telephone.
831
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,039
l was like really paying attention at this point.
832
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,679
Then the prosecutor
starts telling the judge
833
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,079
that if we let Mr Mitnick near a telephone,
he can dial up to NORAD,
834
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:51,959
dial up the modem, whistle into the phone
835
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,759
and launch an lCBM.
836
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,759
Facing 400 years in prison,
l had nothing to lose.
837
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,079
l ended up being held in federal prison,
without bail,
838
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:03,239
in solitary confinement for a year.
839
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,079
WERNER: After his time in solitary,
840
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:09,959
Mitnick languished four more years
in federal prison.
841
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:21,599
Because the internet was designed
for a community that trusted each other. . .
842
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,799
. .it didn't have a lot of protections in it.
843
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,119
Uh, we didn't worry about
spying on each other, for example.
844
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,719
We didn't worry about somebody
sending out spam
845
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,679
or bad emails or viruses.
846
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,999
Uh, because such a person would have been,
you know, banned from the community.
847
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,319
lt would be really nice,
when l got a message,
848
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,319
if l knew where the message came from,
849
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,359
but the way that the protocols
of the internet work,
850
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,599
that's fundamentally impossible.
851
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,159
And so l kind of have to
look at the message and guess.
852
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,999
ls this somebody
pretending to be somebody else?
853
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,079
We can design systems
that are really anonymous
854
00:54:57,240 --> 00:55:00,159
or that are utterly identifiable,
down to the person.
855
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,759
lt's time for us to think about in what contexts
we'd want to support what.
856
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,199
A system that is utterly identifiable
at all times is a nightmare.
857
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,919
lt's exactly what we don't want to hand a country
that doesn't embrace the rule of law.
858
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,919
Ready-made for them to. . .
to employ with their populous.
859
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,839
At the same time, a system that. . .
860
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,999
can provide no accountability, at all?
861
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:32,479
We have pockets of that online and most
people do not find that appealing.
862
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,359
ln any frontier, before the law gets there,
863
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,319
there's always people seeking to take advantage
of the system.
864
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,479
l've seen, in the United States, for instance,
865
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,399
probably something like
five or six billion identities lost.
866
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,679
There aren't that many people
in the United States,
867
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,639
which makes everyone a little inured to it.
868
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,079
What does it really mean, when they hear
their identify has been compromised?
869
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:54,519
lt's not always
an identity-compromising totality.
870
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,399
Sometimes, it's just a small portion.
Your identity comprises many, many things.
871
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,879
There is one you and there are many
components that represent you digitally.
872
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,999
Some compromises in that system have
very little impact on you and some huge.
873
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:08,959
But the line between. . .
874
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,759
your physical life and your digital life
is becoming far more blurred.
875
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,599
And there will come a point,
where the threats online
876
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,439
will hamper your ability
to embrace new technology.
877
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,199
That's what my colleagues
and l have to push back.
878
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,679
Governments who can achieve
all the same effects they would
879
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,519
for international affairs or foreign affairs,
880
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,599
without having to rely on tools of war.
881
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,799
lt's another tool at. . .at the table.
Right?
882
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,399
War is an extension of politics by other means.
883
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,439
Well, now there is another one,
with much less risk, easier to fund,
884
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:44,119
and it puts even some smaller nation states
on the same playing field as larger ones.
885
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,599
So, dozens of nation states
have an ability to hack others
886
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,319
and they use this
as an extension of foreign policy.
887
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,919
WERNER: We became curious to look into
888
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,079
the biggest cyber attack known until today.
889
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,719
You were at the Sandia National Laboratories.
890
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,679
What sort of a company is Sandia?
891
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,639
- Can you explain?
- Sure.
892
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,359
Sandia National Laboratories
is a government research laboratory,
893
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,959
um, a Department of Energy
research laboratory, that. . .
894
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,079
that does work in the national interest.
895
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,719
Weapons work.
896
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,359
There's solar-energy research.
897
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,719
Micro-machine research.
898
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,959
Cyber-security research.
899
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,079
Those sorts of endeavours.
900
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,319
Nuclear weapons?
901
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:43,999
Nuclear weapons, yep.
902
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,319
lt's part of the nuclear-weapons complex
for stockpile stewardship,
903
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,759
along with some of the other laboratories,
just to ensure that
904
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,719
the weapons will function properly
905
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,599
and, uh. . . as they age through the years.
906
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,399
So a wonderful target for cyber attacks.
907
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,359
- lt is.
- lt can't get any better.
908
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,799
lt's. . . lt's uh. . .
lt has a big target on it, yes.
909
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,839
You stumbled over a problem?
910
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,559
A problem, yes.
911
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,199
Terrifying in scope, basically, you know,
912
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:19,999
hundreds of organisations. . .
a military defence industrial base,
913
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,679
uh, compromised,
as far as their networks.
914
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,639
And um. . .
915
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:29,599
You know, just people maintaining
a presence on the network
916
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,319
for the sole purpose of siphoning off
information of value.
917
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,759
But we know the World Bank was affected.
918
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,919
- NASA was affected.
- Mm-hm.
919
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,879
Military was affected?
920
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,599
That's correct.
921
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,239
l just cannot talk about it. l'm sorry.
922
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:46,799
(Laughs nervously)
923
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,759
All right, but. . .
924
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,999
we do know a name.
925
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,159
We do have a beautiful name.
926
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,479
- Titan Rain.
- Mm-hm.
927
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,879
- Can you at least nod?
- Yes.
928
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,159
WERNER: The scope of our conversation
was extremely reduced,
929
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,879
but some of the information here
became part of court proceedings.
930
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:14,519
The transcripts are public record,
including the name coined by the FBl.
931
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,279
lf you were not up at night in the office,
you were up at night at home?
932
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,199
Up at night at home, yes.
933
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:23,919
Lots of coffee?
934
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:25,759
Uh, lots of coffee.
935
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,359
Lots of Nicorette.
936
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,319
And how rewarding is it
to trail the enemy?
937
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,159
To find the track?
938
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,079
lt's. . . lt's very rewarding.
939
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:42,159
lt's like a puzzle, finding patterns
within chaos that shouldn't be there.
940
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,119
And finding these anomalies
and once you scratch the surface,
941
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,919
you start to put together clues and. . .
and develop a better picture.
942
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:56,279
You can be certain that you're pursuing
a certain person or a certain entity
943
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,719
and it could just be a ghost.
944
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,959
Until you have some physical proof,
945
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:02,959
you have someone that kicks a door down
946
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,359
and sees that this is the person
that's actually behind the keyboard,
947
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,199
it can all be a myth or an illusion.
948
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:14,119
lt could be, you know,
a layered sort of thing or all at once.
949
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:18,959
You know, just bring down power,
financial systems,
950
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:20,919
just degrade, corrupt them.
951
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:22,399
Sometimes, it's even worse.
952
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,439
Rather than bringing it down, you corrupt it
953
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,479
and undermine faith, let's say,
in the stock market.
954
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,519
Don't bring it down.
You start altering prices.
955
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,319
You start altering records, so. . .
and you delete them in mass
956
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:41,359
and just cause chaos, so the markets
cannot even restore and come up for days.
957
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,039
There's the possibilities
of taking over space craft
958
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,879
and lowering the orbits of the space craft,
so they burn up,
959
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:51,399
and vital GPS communications
and other sorts of communications are. . .
960
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,799
There's nothing there
to replace them any more.
961
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,919
Could it be that we are, right now,
962
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,959
already in a cyber war
that we don't even notice?
963
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,639
Sure.
964
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,999
KEvlN MlTNlCK: lt doesn't matter how much
money a company invests in technology.
965
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,199
You could spend tens of thousands
of dollars on your firewall,
966
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,439
on your intrusion-prevention systems,
on your spam,
967
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,599
on your anti virus. . .
968
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:23,959
and if l could just manipulate one person
inside that company, l'm in.
969
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,279
95% of the work, when l used to do this
in the past, is research
970
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,439
and finding out about the human element
971
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,999
and gathering information and emails
and their personal emails
972
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,399
and the conference that they were just at
and who spoke before them
973
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:41,679
and that person's email address, so l can
send that person a rigged PDF attachment,
974
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,999
that may look perfectly normal and forge it.
975
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,599
Because l just spoke with this guy,
so l'm gonna open it.
976
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,559
And nothing happens on my computer.
977
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,119
But in the background, a little Trojan
is dropped that starts communicating,
978
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,879
that allows me access and then l,
you know, gather more information.
979
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:58,479
l grab his contact book.
980
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,799
l find the people that know
981
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,719
the information
that l'm interested in exploiting.
982
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,759
And then l send an email from him,
with the same type of attachment,
983
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,959
and, eventually, l have. . .
you know, what l want.
984
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,599
People are the weakest link in security.
985
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,679
People - not the technology.
986
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,399
TV: Now through this special TV offer,
you can receive a Motorola flip phone,
987
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,239
with Cellular One service
for just pennies a day.
988
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,519
Now everyone can enjoy the freedom
of a personal cellular phone.
989
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,599
- (Phone rings)
- You can make a call anywhere.
990
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,599
- Or get a call any time.
- Oh, hi.
991
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,879
(Chuckles)
So, l'm living in Denver, Colorado.
992
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,319
l'm not living under
the name of "Kevin Mitnick".
993
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,359
l'm under the name of "Eric Weiss".
994
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,079
Why Eric Weiss?
995
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,439
Because, at the time, l was a federal fugitive.
996
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,239
l was hiding from the FBl.
997
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,519
And my idol was Harry Houdini
and that's Harry Houdini's real name.
998
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,919
So l thought l had a sense of humour.
999
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,679
So l called Directory Assistance,
l get the number to Motorola.
1000
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,439
l'm now talking to the vice President
1001
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,599
for Research and Development
for all of Motorola Mobility.
1002
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,839
l go, "Hey, this is Rick
over at Arlington Heights."
1003
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,079
l found out they had
an Arlington Heights facility.
1004
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,959
"l'm looking for the project manager
of the MicroTAC."
1005
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,319
And the vP goes,
"Oh, that's Pam. She works for me.
1006
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,439
- Would you like her extension?"
- l go, "Sure. Give it to me." He does.
1007
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,399
So my next call is to Pam,
1008
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,919
but l don't get her, l get her
outgoing greeting on her voicemail.
1009
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,999
She told her callers that she'd just left
on a two-week vacation,
1010
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:24,519
the date she's returning.
1011
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,639
"lf you need any help whatsoever, please
call Alicia on extension blah blah blah."
1012
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,439
So, of course, my next call is to Alicia.
She answers the phone and l go,
1013
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,359
"Hey, Alicia, this is Rick
over at Arlington Heights.
1014
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,199
Did Pam leave on vacation yet?"
1015
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,919
Of course l already knew she had.
And she goes, "Yes."
1016
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:44,239
l go, "Well, before she left,
she said that you could help me get a copy
1017
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,639
of the MicroTAC source code.
She said you would help me out."
1018
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:51,239
About five minutes later, she goes,
"Oh, l found the source code."
1019
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:55,039
She gave me the release number
and she goes, "But there's a problem."
1020
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,839
And she goes, "Rick, l'm gonna
have to talk to my security manager
1021
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,479
about what you're asking me to do.
l'll be right back."
1022
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:05,279
l go, "No, wait, wait." l didn't want her
to talk to any security manager.
1023
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,159
Cos they'd figure out what's going on.
1024
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,079
About eight minutes later,
she comes back on the line.
1025
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,279
l'm thinking they've hooked up
a tape recorder
1026
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,719
and that's gonna be Exhibit A
in a court case later.
1027
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,159
And she goes, "Rick. . ."
l go, "Uh-huh?"
1028
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,319
And she goes, "That lP address
you gave me to do the file transfer
1029
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,039
is not inside Motorola's campus, it's outside.
1030
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,479
Because of that, l can't transfer the file.
1031
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,999
We need to use a special proxy server
to do so and l don't have an account."
1032
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:35,239
l go, "Uh-huh." l just go, "All right,
you know, thank you very much."
1033
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,719
And she goes, "Wait, wait. l have some
great news for you." l go, "What?"
1034
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,199
She goes, "My security manager
1035
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,999
gave me his personal username
and password,
1036
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,839
so l could log on to the proxy server
to send you the file."
1037
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,199
You know, Motorola had a bunch of
security, technical security,
1038
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,879
but it only took me 1 5 minutes,
with a good gift of the gab,
1039
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,519
to get those crown jewels,
so that's how that worked.
1040
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,119
But you didn't sell it?
1041
01:04:58,280 --> 01:04:59,399
- No.
- lt was curiosity?
1042
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:01,839
- lt was sport? lt was exciting?
- A trophy.
1043
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,759
This is Taurus, the concept that has evolved
1044
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,959
from the work of these teams
of scientists and engineers.
1045
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:21,359
They believe the huge space colony
could be built before the year 2000.
1046
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,559
Constructed almost entirely
from ore mined on the moon,
1047
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,039
the Taurus colony would become home
for 1 0,000 people.
1048
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:32,479
WERNER: ldeas of creating colonies
outside of planet earth
1049
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,759
have been around for a long time.
1050
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,359
The problem of water, air and shelter
looks already solved.
1051
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:45,519
ln fact, nothing looks inviting out there.
1052
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,679
There is a private company, SpaceX,
1053
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,199
which is pursuing this idea
in practical terms.
1054
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,519
Here, rockets are being assembled
for the transport.
1055
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:02,879
The founder of SpaceX, Elon Musk,
is not just a dreamer.
1056
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,159
He made his fortune with PayPal,
1057
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,759
he's building Tesla electric cars
1058
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:12,759
and is now constructing the largest
factory for batteries on this planet.
1059
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:17,279
After set-backs,
he's now successfully launching rockets.
1060
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,159
(Rumbling)
1061
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,439
For the first time in the history of
earth, in four and a half billion years,
1062
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,999
the window of possibility is open
for us to extend life to another planet.
1063
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,599
To the best of our knowledge,
life exists only on earth.
1064
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:45,039
There is a good argument that it exists
elsewhere, but we've seen no sign of it.
1065
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:50,199
l think it's important for us to take advantage
of that window while it is open
1066
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:54,439
and to establish life on another planet
in the solar system,
1067
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,039
just in case something goes wrong with. . .
with earth.
1068
01:06:58,200 --> 01:06:59,679
Uh. . .
1069
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:04,319
And, uh, you know, there could be
either a natural or a man-made disaster,
1070
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,359
that knocks the technology level
1071
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:11,879
below that which is. . .where it is possible
to travel to another planet.
1072
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:16,559
The key to establishing a self-sustained
large civilisation is getting
1073
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:21,759
the cost per unit mass low enough
that there's an intersection of sets.
1074
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,039
The set of people
that wish to move to Mars
1075
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:28,639
and the set of people that can afford to
move to Mars, inclusive of government aid.
1076
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,639
l mean, right now, we can't even get
one person to Mars. So. . .
1077
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,759
l would come along.
l wouldn't have a problem.
1078
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,279
- A one-way ticket.
- That sounds great.
1079
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,039
- l'd be your candidate.
- OK.
1080
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:40,399
Um. . .
1081
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,439
l. . . l do think we'll want to. . .
1082
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,679
. .offer round trips, because a lot
more people would be willing to go
1083
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,839
if they think that, if they don't like it,
they can come back.
1084
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,359
(Rumbling)
1085
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:56,239
WERNER: But how would we talk to them
who chose to stay?
1086
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,519
Who would tell them
the outcome of the World Series?
1087
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:06,639
Mars is actually a comparatively easy
internet thing to establish,
1088
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,239
at least for a local internet,
because you wouldn't have. . .
1089
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,879
You wouldn't be living everywhere on Mars,
so you'd really just need. . .
1090
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,759
maybe four satellites to have. . .
1091
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:20,279
global coverage of. . .
to have global internet coverage,
1092
01:08:20,440 --> 01:08:23,679
because of how sparse
the civilisation would be on Mars.
1093
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:29,199
Uh, and then some relay satellites
to get back to earth.
1094
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,759
Uh. . . Particularly when Mars is on
the other side of the sun.
1095
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:34,919
You'd need to bounce it off a relay satellite.
1096
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,159
You couldn't communicate directly with it.
1097
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,599
WERNER: The skyline of Chicago.
1098
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,199
lt looks devoid of its inhabitants.
1099
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:50,119
we have to assume that nearly everyone
has left for a colony out there.
1100
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:54,319
ELvlS PRESLEY: ♪ Are you lonesome tonight?
1101
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,839
♪ Do you miss me tonight?
1102
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:06,159
♪ Are you sorry we drifted apart?
1103
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:14,399
♪ Does your memory stray to a brighter. . .
1104
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,159
The planetarium is the only point of contact.
1105
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,519
Inside, a monument for those
who have levitated and left.
1106
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,679
Yes, things must be real good out there.
1107
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:33,959
♪ . .do the chairs in your parlour
seem empty and bare. . .
1108
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,679
But then we met some stragglers
left behind.
1109
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,999
They're all on their smartphones.
1110
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,599
♪ . .and picture me there. . .
1111
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:44,959
Have the monks stopped meditating?
1112
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:46,919
Have they stopped praying?
1113
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,159
They all seem to be tweeting.
1114
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:53,119
♪ . .shall l come back again?
1115
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,239
♪ Tell me, dear
1116
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:00,879
♪ Are you lonesome tonight?
1117
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:07,719
WERNER: How could we communicate
with stars out there that potentially have life?
1118
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,679
Well, we can think of creating
a kind of long-range internet,
1119
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:16,999
either through the use of radio waves
or perhaps visible light.
1120
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,159
So, these would be the kinds of signals
that we could generate -
1121
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:24,319
in the case of lower energy signals,
like radio waves - relatively cheaply.
1122
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:28,399
And we could broadcast,
if we came up with a suitable code,
1123
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:33,479
some way of transmitting information
over galactic and intergalactic distances.
1124
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:37,439
But we would get an answer back
in 800,000 years!
1125
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,439
Maybe. Or two and a half million years.
1126
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,039
Well, l think that the more one looks for
1127
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,839
planets in the universe
beyond our solar system,
1128
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,439
that are potentially places
that might be hospitable to life,
1129
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,319
the more you appreciate
the wonderful planet that we have here,
1130
01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:55,959
that allows us to do things like
swim in the ocean
1131
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,559
and breathe the air
without the help of our technology.
1132
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:03,439
And so, while l would like us
to explore Mars more,
1133
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,599
l think the only thing
that we've demonstrated
1134
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:09,159
is that we're very good
at destroying the habitability of earth,
1135
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:13,199
rather than improving the habitability
of a completely alien world.
1136
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,199
The idea that Mars will somehow save us
1137
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,879
from the decisions we've made here
is a false one.
1138
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,839
And it's a little like saying that you're
going to go live in a lifeboat,
1139
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,039
when, you know, even lifeboats
need somewhere to land.
1140
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,559
l don't think l have good dreams.
1141
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:44,959
Oh, l'm sure l have good dreams sometimes
1142
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,439
but l don't seem to remember
the good dreams.
1143
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,159
The ones that. . .
1144
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,039
. . l remember are the nightmares.
1145
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:59,679
WERNER: The Prussian war theoretician,
Clausewitz,
1146
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:06,039
in Napoleonic times, once famously said,
"Sometimes, war dreams of itself."
1147
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,759
Could it be that the internet
starts to dream of itself?
1148
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:18,839
Great question.
1149
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,479
To think about dreaming,
there are maybe two aspects.
1150
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,159
One is what l'll call awareness.
1151
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:32,159
When you wake up and you say,
"Oh, l was just dreaming this" and you know it.
1152
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,439
Another aspect is just the. . .
1153
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,879
Some kind of pattern of activity then emerges,
1154
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:42,919
not because of some external stimuli,
but just because of something going on.
1155
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:44,879
Unpredictable patterns.
1156
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,919
l think, already,
the internet has the second of those.
1157
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:49,959
lt has unpredictable patterns all the time.
1158
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,479
They cause things like flash crashes
on the financial markets.
1159
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:58,079
So we have plenty of kind of currents
running around in the internet,
1160
01:12:58,240 --> 01:12:59,879
that are unpredictable.
1161
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,159
Uh, in some cases, unstoppable.
1162
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,079
lmaginative?
1163
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,799
lf. . . Now it comes to,
what do we mean by "imaginative"?
1164
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,039
But if we mean. . .
We call a person "imaginative"
1165
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:16,719
if they come up with ideas
that we didn't think of and that. . .
1166
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:18,719
we nevertheless admire.
1167
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,079
lf. . .
1168
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:23,039
Usually, admiration is part of it.
1169
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,999
So, for the internet, so far,
l think it's mostly just unpredictable.
1170
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,879
l haven't seen anything the internet did
on its own that l admire yet.
1171
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:35,599
Does the internet dream of itself?
1172
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:41,679
lt does, in the sense that it can beget
additional networks layered on top of it,
1173
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,999
that have the characteristics
of the underlying internet.
1174
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,999
So, just as the basic internet
is a series of computers
1175
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:49,999
that happen to talk internet to each other,
1176
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,759
so that you can move a bit
from here to there,
1177
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,319
there's a fellow named
Sir Tim Berners-Lee,
1178
01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:58,079
who could conceive of something
called "the worldwide web"
1179
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,359
and choose not to copyright it,
not to patent it,
1180
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,599
to allow anybody to speak server
and some people speak client
1181
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,399
and then, before you know it,
you've got websites.
1182
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,999
The web is the internet dreaming of itself.
1183
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:16,359
Could it be that the internet dreams of itself?
1184
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:20,519
lt's a fascinating idea. ln fact, there was
a wonderful science-fiction story,
1185
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,839
which later got turned into a movie,
Blade Runner.
1186
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,479
l think it was called
Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?
1187
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,199
The robots dream,
1188
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,039
but the internet is nothing but connections.
1189
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:35,679
Will it have its own consciousness?
Will it have its own set of rules? And. . .
1190
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:40,639
Perhaps. . .in an even more scary realm,
a science-fiction realm,
1191
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,839
will the internet, therefore,
make its own decisions?
1192
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,159
And will the decisions about
how communication happens
1193
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:48,959
go out of human hands?
1194
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,199
That's certainly a possibility.
1195
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,119
But since we don't even
understand consciousness,
1196
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,639
l am hesitant to make any predictions.
1197
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,599
And l think anyone who claims
1198
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,799
they know what's going to happen
to the internet is not worth listening to.
1199
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:16,519
WERNER: Pittsburgh.
1200
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:20,439
The industrial age,
the steel mills, are long gone.
1201
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,199
A new industry has established itself.
1202
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,919
Here, robots are being designed.
1203
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:31,279
This one named "Chimp"
is testing its limbs on its own.
1204
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:39,439
Soon battalions of them,
connected via internet,
1205
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,039
could perform rescue missions
in disaster zones.
1206
01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:47,479
l think it's going to run through
the lift joints momentarily.
1207
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,079
We're still a long ways away
1208
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,599
from a robot having a complete
understanding of the world,
1209
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:02,399
of. . .of cause and effect,
1210
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,519
of desires and hopes and dreams.
1211
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:09,199
And those are the things
that still make humans human
1212
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,719
and robots are on a much lesser scale.
1213
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,879
Well, you could think of this scenario
almost as robot dreaming.
1214
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:22,679
This is, you know, a robot conceptualising
what is gonna happen in the future
1215
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:24,999
and thinking about different scenarios.
1216
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:26,479
And for any of these motions,
1217
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:31,359
it's considering thousands and thousands
of scenarios per second that might happen.
1218
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,759
Um, especially when you get to the point of
1219
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,399
robots exchanging information
with one another,
1220
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,519
then you might have a robot dreaming
about places it hasn't even been.
1221
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,679
This is the Chimp view of the world now,
1222
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,559
using a high-resolution laser scanner,
1223
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:09,599
and it has to really build up its. . .
1224
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,959
its, uh, learning of what's going on
in the environment.
1225
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:16,359
ln this case,
it's a valve that it's trying to turn
1226
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:18,279
and we see the pre-planning.
1227
01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:20,999
This is like the robot imagination
of what's going to happen,
1228
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:24,479
where the gripper is gonna be, how it's
gonna come in, how it can manipulate it.
1229
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:29,279
WERNER: lt could have opened the valve
in Fukushima and prevented an explosion.
1230
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:32,719
That was one of the key things that. . .
that spurred this research.
1231
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,839
Realising that it was too dangerous
for humans to go in,
1232
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,639
but if you could have had a robot go in
and just do some simple things,
1233
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,399
straightforward things
that the humans were unable to do -
1234
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:47,759
open valves to change the cooling
flow patterns, maybe turn on pumps again -
1235
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:49,559
that would have made all the difference
1236
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:53,319
in preventing the hydrogen build-up
and the subsequent explosion.
1237
01:17:53,480 --> 01:17:56,079
How valuable is the cockroach for you?
1238
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:01,599
Uh, l think. . . l think any insect
is amazingly, uh, advanced
1239
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,999
compared to the state-of-the-art robots
right now.
1240
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,759
lf you think about a cockroach,
the fact that it can scurry around on the floor,
1241
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,919
it can avoid dangers,
it can find food for itself, it can reproduce
1242
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,159
and it can live for. . .
1243
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,719
uh, for several years on its own.
1244
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:21,999
Robots are nowhere near that point yet
and, uh, l think it will be great
1245
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,999
when we have even as much capability
as a cockroach.
1246
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,719
l cannot only imagine
artificial intelligence
1247
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,359
evolving spontaneously on the internet,
1248
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,599
but l can't tell you that it hasn't
happened already.
1249
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:46,759
Uh, because. . .
1250
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:50,879
. .it wouldn't necessarily reveal itself to us.
1251
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:56,999
l think that the biggest risk is not that
the Al world develop a will of its own,
1252
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:02,639
but rather that it will follow the will of
people that establish its utility function
1253
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,439
or its optimisation function.
1254
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,919
And that optimisation function, if it is. . .
1255
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,999
. .uh, not well thought out,
l mean, even if it's relatively. . .
1256
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:17,239
lf its intent is benign, it could have
quite a bad. . .quite a bad outcome.
1257
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:22,079
For example, if you were. . .
a hedge fund or a private equity fund
1258
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:26,959
and you said, "Well, all l want my Al to do
is maximise the value of my portfolio."
1259
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:32,719
Then. . .the Al could decide,
"Well, the best way to do that is to. . .
1260
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:37,399
short consumer stocks,
go long defence stocks and start a war."
1261
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,359
Uh, and that would obviously be quite bad.
1262
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,799
WERNER: Such an attack
would be much more prosaic
1263
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,679
than an invasion of these aliens
in the SpaceX reception area.
1264
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:03,199
l think we're gonna get to the point
where almost everything we do
1265
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:04,959
will be done by machines.
1266
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:09,079
And we'll still need people,
but, l mean, if you ask the question about
1267
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:13,839
will there ever be an artificial
intelligent machine that makes movies?
1268
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,719
Absolutely yes.
Will it be quite as good as yours?
1269
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,439
- No-one can even come close.
- Of course not!
1270
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,119
- (Werner laughs)
- But. . . Actually, l think. . .
1271
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:25,439
almost everything we do,
we'll find machines doing it better.
1272
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,199
And the reason why that's the case
1273
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,799
is because machines learn faster
than people can learn.
1274
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,479
But they cannot fall in love, as we can.
1275
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:36,239
And will it be useful for machines
to fall in love?
1276
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:40,039
Will we want to have machines
that are just like people? l would say no.
1277
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:42,159
Honestly, if my dishwasher
came to me and said,
1278
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,759
"Look, l've fallen in love
with the refrigerator
1279
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:47,559
and, as a result,
l have no time to wash your dishes",
1280
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,519
l wouldn't like that dishwasher.
1281
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:54,599
We're going to have a revolution not only
in our technology, but in our theology.
1282
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,719
We don't even have a name for it,
but it's around the internet.
1283
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:02,159
lt's around connectivity.
lt's around building machines that think for us.
1284
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:07,119
And l think we're due
for another shift in our morals,
1285
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,919
in our. . .in our definition
of what it means to be human.
1286
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:13,519
We're right just at the beginning of that.
1287
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:19,039
And so you can see us trying to kind of. . .
feel out and invent this new society
1288
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,959
and invent these new ideas
of what's right and wrong.
1289
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:26,399
What can we depend on each other for?
Or what can we expect from each other?
1290
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,159
How much do we want to do that?
1291
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:34,239
Uh. . . So, l think it's an incredibly
creative time in human history,
1292
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:39,039
not just technologically, uh. . .
but also morally and culturally.
1293
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:52,399
This room. . . This room should know l'm here.
l should be able to talk to it.
1294
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,639
lt should be able
to give me an answer, verbally.
1295
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,599
l should ask, "Where," for example,
"is a high-speed printer?
1296
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:00,359
Where did l leave my keys?
Where is a book on this subject?"
1297
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,879
lt should answer me,
with speech, with a hologram,
1298
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,039
with a display, in a very natural way.
1299
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,919
l should maybe use gestures and touch
1300
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:14,239
and even smell and all my senses
to interact in a very humanistic way
1301
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,199
with this technology around us.
1302
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,919
And once that technology comes out
into our physical world. . .
1303
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:24,319
. .and becomes embedded in our walls,
in our desk, in our bodies,
1304
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:28,119
in our fingernails, in our cars,
in our offices, in our homes,
1305
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:29,679
it should disappear
1306
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:31,639
and become invisible.
1307
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:33,439
Whereas electricity. . .
1308
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:37,079
there's a socket in the wall,
you plug in, you get electricity.
1309
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,399
You don't care how it's made.
lt's not a complicated interface.
1310
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,039
lts invisible.
1311
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:46,559
The internet is yet to evolve to that goal
l was hoping for, of being invisible.
1312
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:51,239
What's interesting is what you're gonna
build on top of it for you and for me.
1313
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,639
l call it "the internet of me". lt is a world
where when you walk into a room,
1314
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,679
the lights dim to your preference level,
you may have music that starts up.
1315
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:00,639
lt may even have complex protocols
1316
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,759
for how to interact with
somebody else's internet of me.
1317
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,559
That's interesting and the world
that will emerge as a result,
1318
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,399
eventually, won't even need phones.
1319
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:12,039
The environment will be so wired,
that your experience will be brought to you.
1320
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,279
Your calls will be brought to you,
your advertising, your content.
1321
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:18,559
Your work. All of it will come with you.
That's an internet of me.
1322
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:25,959
lt is going to take a leap of thought,
a leap of. . .courage, societally,
1323
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:30,039
for us to accept a generation
that's always had an egotistical world.
1324
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,959
We tell children very often, "You have
to play with others, you have to share,
1325
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:35,559
your world view isn't unique,"
1326
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,799
but when the world, the objects in it,
start to tell them that they are,
1327
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:42,279
they're different, that's egotistical,
but it will also be a magical world.
1328
01:24:42,440 --> 01:24:46,639
One where a wave of the hand creates doors
moving and objects changing position.
1329
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:51,479
But imagine a generation
that's never known anything else but that.
1330
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,479
l deeply regret the fact
that deep critical thinking. . .
1331
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,799
and imaginative thinking,
that creative thinking, is lost.
1332
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,719
ln my opinion, computers
and, in some sense, the internet,
1333
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,959
are the worst enemy
of deep, critical thinking.
1334
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:12,039
Youth of today are using machines
to basically replace
1335
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:15,159
their examination
of the things they're observing.
1336
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:19,039
They don't understand what they're looking at
or hearing or what they're learning.
1337
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,879
They depend upon the internet
to tell them and decipher it.
1338
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:24,199
They look at numbers, instead of ideas.
1339
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,639
They fail to understand concepts
and this is a problem.
1340
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,479
My hope would be there. . .
are still going to be. . .
1341
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:35,279
. .that the appeal of
deep immersion in something,
1342
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:38,599
that through the school system
we still subject our kids to,
1343
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:43,479
we can really try
to turn them on to its charms,
1344
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:47,719
so they become intrinsically
self-motivated to pursue it.
1345
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:52,559
Whether we use science
or ancient Greek or philosophy,
1346
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:54,399
it's those tools that are important.
1347
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,479
Those are the things that people
are gonna be able to use in the future.
1348
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,359
The actual information they learn
in school won't be important.
1349
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,319
lt'll be dwarfed by the information
1350
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:05,279
that's coming out on the internet
every single day.
1351
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,279
Historians, l think,
will also see an interesting thing.
1352
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:12,639
They'll probably call the time around now
the Digital Dark Age.
1353
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:14,799
lt will be very mysterious,
1354
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:19,439
because a lot of things happened quickly,
but the records will all be lost.
1355
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,599
We don't have the handwritten letters,
like we have from,
1356
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,479
you know, the founders of the Constitution,
1357
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:27,599
the Founding Fathers.
1358
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,559
We have their letters with each other.
1359
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,359
We can see the sort of
background conversation
1360
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,039
in creating the United States government.
1361
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:38,839
We don't have the equivalent
for the background conversation
1362
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,279
in creating the internet,
because it was all done on email.
1363
01:26:42,440 --> 01:26:46,959
There's a playful project called
the Wikipedia Emergency Project,
1364
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,479
that if there's ever going to be,
possibly, a world-changing event -
1365
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:51,999
a big volcanic eruption -
1366
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:56,559
Wikipedia volunteers are supposed to
start printing out Wikipedia pages madly
1367
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:00,759
and storing the paper in places
that their heirs can find it later.
1368
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,559
What this scanner measures. . .
lt's an MRl scanner
1369
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:31,559
and it measures magnetic resonance energy
that's emanating from the brain.
1370
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,479
So it's really extra-sensory.
1371
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:38,759
lt's precise enough to tell us
what activity is occurring
1372
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:43,239
in each little volume element
the size of a peppercorn.
1373
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:45,159
When you read a sentence that says,
1374
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,719
"There are two elephants
walking across the savanna,"
1375
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:53,559
a computer program can tell that the same
thought is going on in your brain,
1376
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,879
whether you're watching the video
or reading the sentence.
1377
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:58,919
At a conceptual level, it's the same.
1378
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,759
lt's also the same for people
across languages.
1379
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,599
There's a universality of
the alphabet of human thoughts
1380
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:10,239
and it applies to the videos that Jack Gallant
and his colleagues have found,
1381
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:13,439
but it also applies to spoken
and written speech.
1382
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,559
So. . . And. . . And it crosses languages.
1383
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:18,119
We have a vocabulary.
1384
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,599
The brain has a vocabulary
and we're beginning to discover it.
1385
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:25,759
Right now, we need this $2 million machine
that weighs 1 6,000lb,
1386
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:27,559
but if you ask, in the future,
1387
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:33,399
will some genius biophysicist invent
a little cap or helmet that will do it,
1388
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:35,879
l think that that's. . .that that's likely.
1389
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:40,879
The energy, the electromagnetic energy,
is just sitting there, it's sitting there.
1390
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:43,519
So, you know,
when you talk about telepathy. . .
1391
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:48,359
Telepathy is. . .communication
across a distance.
1392
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:50,999
Well, we can already go a few millimetres
1393
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:54,799
and, you know, it's just a matter of time
before we can go thousands of miles.
1394
01:28:54,960 --> 01:29:00,399
You could, essentially,
in the not-too-distant future, tweet thoughts.
1395
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,919
So not type your little tweet, but think it,
1396
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:09,559
press a button and all your followers
could potentially read it.
1397
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:13,799
Could you detect that this woman
who is passing by and spots you
1398
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:15,879
is just about to fall in love with you?
1399
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:19,359
Now, that would be an innovation.
That would be the. . .
1400
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,919
the killer application,
l guess you would say.
1401
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,959
Well, l try not to make predictions
about anything less than
1402
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,399
two trillion years from now,
for good reasons.
1403
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,279
One is that no-one will be able
to know if l'm wrong.
1404
01:29:30,440 --> 01:29:32,559
But one of the wonderful things
about the future
1405
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,319
is you don't know where it's gonna go
1406
01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:36,039
and the internet is,
1407
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:38,479
like most results in science, out of control.
1408
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:41,599
lf you think about predictions
about the future as done in the past,
1409
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:43,359
they always miss the important stuff.
1410
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:45,359
ln fact, most science fiction missed
1411
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:49,479
the most important thing about the present
world, which is the internet itself.
1412
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:52,159
They had flying cars.
They had rocket ships.
1413
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,719
None of that exists,
but the internet governs our lives today.
1414
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:58,519
lt used to be,
that when you communicated with someone,
1415
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:02,359
the person you were communicating with
was as important as the information.
1416
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:04,719
Now, on the internet,
the person is unimportant.
1417
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:08,439
lt was developed, so that scientists
could communicate, scientists like me,
1418
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:10,159
could communicate with each other,
1419
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:13,599
without knowing where the other person was
or even who the other person was.
1420
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:15,759
There's a famous cartoon
from The New Yorker,
1421
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,719
which says, "On the internet,
no-one knows if you're a dog."
1422
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:20,759
ln the future, you won't know
1423
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:24,039
if you're communicating with dogs
or robots or people.
1424
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:26,719
And it won't matter,
but becoming your own filter
1425
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:28,519
will be the challenge of the future.
1426
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:32,199
The filter isn't provided with you.
There's no controls on the internet.
1427
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,319
No matter what governments do,
no matter what industries do. . .
1428
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:39,999
. .the internet is gonna propagate. . .
out of control
1429
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,999
and people will have to be
their own controls.
1430
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:47,719
l think, in the future, one next step
from computation to communication
1431
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:51,039
will be to sensing and remote sensing.
1432
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:53,359
And mindreading via the internet?
1433
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:56,439
One of those sensors
will be brain-imaging sensors.
1434
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:58,519
And you will transmit thoughts?
1435
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,079
- Right.
- The two of you.
1436
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:09,799
Will our children's children's children
need the companionship of humans?
1437
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:13,399
Or will they have evolved in a world
where that's not important?
1438
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,119
lt sounds awful, doesn't it?
1439
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:18,039
But maybe it'll be fine.
1440
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:19,959
Maybe the companionship of robots,
1441
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:23,799
maybe the companionship of
an intelligent internet will be sufficient.
1442
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:25,479
Who am l to say?
1443
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:30,959
♪ Salty Dog
1444
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:36,519
♪ l'm standing on the corner
with a shovel in my hand
1445
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:38,359
♪ l'm looking for a woman
want a working man
1446
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:40,999
♪ Let me be your salty dog
1447
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:43,039
♪ Oh, let me be your salty dog
1448
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:44,879
♪ Or l won't be your man at all
1449
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:49,799
♪ Let me be your salty dog
1450
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:51,239
♪ Or l won't be your man at all
1451
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,839
♪ Honey, let me be your salty dog
1452
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:56,159
♪ Well, let me be your salty dog
1453
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:57,719
♪ Or l won't be your man at all
1454
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:00,039
♪ Honey, let me be your salty dog
1455
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,999
l wanted to do some pickin', cos l like that.
1456
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:07,079
(Applause)
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