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This programme contains
scenes of a sexual nature
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This programme contains
very strong language
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That's the price we pay
for being cheerleaders. Yeah.
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Oh, my God!
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'In 1997 I made a documentary about
the world of male porn performers
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'in Los Angeles...'
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I don't want to cause offence
when I say that I look at him
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and I don't automatically think,
"There's a porno performer".
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Are you John Dough? Hey. What's up?
How's it going? Louis from the BBC.
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Break a leg.
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'..finding out how difficult
and stressful it can be
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'having sex on camera for a living.'
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Action.
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Let's cut. Cut! Let's break.
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It seems like the easiest job in
the world, really. Let's face it.
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It's not. Really?
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Many, many men have tried
and very few have made it.
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And action!
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'Fifteen years on, I'd heard about
big changes in the industry.
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'Porn was struggling, under threat
from piracy on the internet.'
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PornTube sites pretty much...
killed the business.
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Killed it.
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If you've got a guy who's
seen 500 porns, you know,
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whatever you're gonna do isn't
gonna particularly astound him.
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How you doing?
How are you, my friend?
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'And so I'd returned to LA, curious
how my old friends were faring...'
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Good to see you.
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'..and to meet the new performers
pursuing a dream of porn stardom
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'in an industry where a stable
career was more elusive than ever.'
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You like girls, you like boys,
you like getting tied up.
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The only thing...
Actually, you like everything.
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Everybody has to be something
at some point in their life
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that they may not want to do, but
they do it because they have to.
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I am someone that does blow bangs,
I am someone that does anal scenes.
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That's who I am. That's...who
I'm becoming and I'm OK with that.
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'My journey was starting
in the San Fernando Valley,
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'America's capital of porn.
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'Faced with competition from free
YouTube-style porn sites,
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'studios have responded by making
films with higher production values
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'for the couples market.
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'I'd been invited to the latest
shoot by Wicked Pictures.
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'The male lead was the rising star
Xander Corvus.'
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How we doing? Nice to meet you.
Good. Nice to meet you too.
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I'm Louis. Xander.
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Xander.
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You're a performer in the business.
I am.
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How long have you been doing this?
About a year...
A little over a year and a half.
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You will be having sex with someone
this afternoon on camera? I will.
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Erm... I feel like an asshole.
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Alex... Alexa I think her name is.
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Have you seen her yet? No.
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Have ever you done a scene
with her before? No.
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Is it important that you
find her attractive?
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I've had to do scenes with girls
I wasn't particularly attracted to
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but, you know, I'd get it up anyway.
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I mean, I'm 23... I just turned 23,
so it's usually not a problem,
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and if it is, it's like,
"OK, Cialis. Cool, we're good".
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Cialis? Boner pill.
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It's like Viagra?
Yeah. You get it at any doctor.
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But we go to, like,
the porn doctor, basically.
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So what is this called, this movie?
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Erm... I don't know.
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I forget.
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We have the white virginous
kind of look here. Mmm.
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'The film's director,
Brad Armstrong,
was also an occasional performer.'
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Brad, have you worked with Alexa
before? I have indeed. Yeah.
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Let me just say that Alexa's
a lot of fun.
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I mean, you've directed her,
but did you mean that you've
also performed with Alexa?
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Oh, we've made the sweet love a
number of times. Yeah. She's fun.
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Step.
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Step. Step.
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Step.
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Step. Look deep into each other's
eyes without touching.
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Is it set in a period,
a certain period of history, Brad?
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It's not so much a specific period,
but it's period-esque.
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You know, in the romance novel,
there's always that guy
with the open pirate-esque shirt
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and the girl in her little
kind of Spanish...
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It's just sort of in romance land.
Romance land.
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And kiss.
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Do you recommend it as a lifestyle,
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because it's a very particular kind
of a business to be in, isn't it?
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It depends on the person.
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If you're straight
and business minded,
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like Nicole's going for her
Bachelor's right now. Who's Nicole?
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Sorry. Erm...
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What's the chick over there?
What's the girl's name?
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LAUGHTER
Alexa, sorry.
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Alexa or Nicole? Alexa Nicole.
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Her first name is Alexa and her
last name is Nicole? Exactly.
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So you very much get
a wide variety...
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You've had sex with her
a couple of times
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and you didn't remember her name.
No, I just blanked.
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And action.
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Michael...
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I can't.
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My father will never allow this,
you know this.
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Do that line one more time.
Which one?
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Hers. "I know that my father will
never allow it. You know this".
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Not "this" and "this'. OK.
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And go from there, and action.
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I know...
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Fuck! And I too.
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I know, and I you.
As in, I love you too.
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Are you enjoying the scene?
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Yeah, dude, she's great.
I'm really feeling her.
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I think we have a pretty good
chemistry going so that's good.
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It's work, isn't it? Yeah, it's
work. It's not sex for pleasure.
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It's fun, but it's definitely
not sex for pleasure.
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How you doing, Brad?
So far, so good. Are they OK?
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Are they just moving... He's
walking around with his willy out.
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Yeah, it's...
Isn't that... look at that.
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Some people are a little more...
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..flamboyant than others
with their penis out.
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Yeah! Oh!
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Oh!
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh!
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No, less porno.
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"Yes, yes, yes".
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Yes, yes.
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Cool. You got it and I got it.
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How did that go? Do you feel closer
now that you've just had sex?
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It was a pretty romantic scene.
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We're not gonna run and get married
but it definitely, like,
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opens a lot of doors to a person
we're more comfortable around. Yeah.
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There's something quite touching
about seeing you there like that,
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how your legs are crossed over
like that.
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It's almost like you've just had
a romantic moment. We did. Yeah.
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Sure did.
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Do you have a boyfriend, Alexa?
Yeah. Yes, I do.
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Who you live with? Yes.
Kids? No.
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Would you like to have kids one day?
Definitely.
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You're not worried about your kids
seeing something,
seeing one of your scenes?
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Not at all. And if they were to,
I think sex is perfectly natural,
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so I don't think it's anything
that someone should be ashamed of.
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'My next stop was the offices
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'of one of the industry's leading
talent agencies, LA Direct.
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'Its founder and CEO is the
performer known as Ben English.
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'His real name, Derek Hay.'
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Louis. Hello. How you doing?
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Ah, how are you?
Nice to meet you. Yeah, good.
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Now, you've got a busy day.
What have you got going on?
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I'm not sure how many shoots
but there's today's schedule.
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She's doing an unusual shoot,
actually.
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She's doing a gangbang,
which a lot of people say 'gangbang'
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when you're talking about
the porn industry,
but actually it's pretty rare.
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Is there a rate for a gangbang?
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Would there be a going rate
for something like that?
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Anywhere from...
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3,000 to 8,000.
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I don't know if people consider that
a lot or not.
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I don't know. Yeah.
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For a gangbang, is it a lot?
I don't know.
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'A few doors down from Derek
is his number two, Fran Smidor.'
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Hello. Hello. You must be Fran.
I might be. Who wants to know?
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Louis. Louis? How do you do?
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So is that what you pay
the talent with?
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Erm... some of it is for the talent,
yes.
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Most of them are cheques.
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How's business?
Could always be better.
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Do you think the internet and piracy
and free porn on the internet
has had an impact?
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Yes. Devastatingly.
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How has that had a knock-on effect
on the industry and the performers?
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Less work.
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There's less work and there's an
abundance, because of the economy,
of performers.
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There aren't enough people shooting
to give everybody a day's work.
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You see a lot of people coming
in here and saying that, you know,
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they want to be in adult movies,
right?
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Do you give them a talk where you
explain what the consequences are
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and how it's likely to affect them
and have they thought it through?
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No. Why not?
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Because I would talk half...
three quarters of the girls
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out of the business
and we wouldn't be in business.
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I'm here to promote the adult
industry, not put a curse on it.
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Jinx, Jinx, Jinx.
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Fran, do you get on with Jinx pretty
well? Can't stand the sight of her.
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Can't stand the sight?
She's a good earner for you.
Is she? Are you a good earner?
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What have you got? Because you're
always trying to short me.
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This is what they do.
They think I was born yesterday.
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Well, she's come in to give you
the money, Fran. Here you go.
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Are you working this week, Jinx?
Yeah, I'm working tomorrow.
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What are you doing? I'm getting
a pound in my ass tomorrow.
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Do you have respect for what
they do, the performers?
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Because it's a lot of work,
isn't it? Or it can be.
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I think working 64 hours a week
in an office is hard work.
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I don't think going to set
and fucking someone is as hard
as we have to do on a daily basis.
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It's not something I would want
for my child. Why not?
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Because it fucks with their heads
and I don't want to be the mother
of a whore.
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I take care of...
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Hi.
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Hi. Brownie cam.
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I'm Louis. I'm Stefania. Stefania?
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Stefania is another of your clients?
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Yes.
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Performers? Yes.
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And how long have you been doing it,
Stefania? I just started.
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I did, like, three shoots so far.
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Oh, well. OK, so you're pretty
new... Yes, I am.
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..to the whole thing.
And how's it going for you?
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It's going pretty good. Yeah?
Yeah. I like it, I enjoy it.
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How old are you? I'm 22. 22? Yes.
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So you've done three scenes,
did you say? I did three scenes.
So what were they?
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Two scenes was boy/girl scenes
and one was anal.
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Yeah.
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Had you ever done anal before?
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I actually, like, in my real life,
I really don't do much anal,
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but on cam I do.
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So if you don't do it in private,
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that would suggest maybe you don't
enjoy it that much?
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I don't enjoy it that much,
but I can make it enjoyable.
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I'm not sure that I agree with your
question. Well...
I can think of a lot of things
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that we don't do in our personal
life that we do at work.
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Yeah.
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I really regard models in the adult
industry as sexual athletes
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so, you know, I don't think that
you can say
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whatever they do on camera
as actresses, you know,
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they would necessarily
do in their personal life.
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I feel sure that they don't.
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How you doing? I'm good,
how are you? All right.
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Nice to meet you. What's your name?
Likewise. Barry. Barry? Yeah.
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Brandy. Brandy? Louis. Nice
to meet you. Nice to meet you.
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You're a performer? I'm a performer.
And are you going out with Brandy?
This is my wife.
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You're married. Yeah. And
you're both in the industry?
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Yes. And you both have sex on camera
with other people for a living?
Yeah.
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She has a certain "yes" list
of dudes she works with
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and I have a certain, like, criteria
of things I do and don't do.
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What's your list of things
you won't do?
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THEY CHUCKLE
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I won't do... I don't do gangbangs
any more, blow bangs,
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any type of double anal or double
vaginal, anything like that.
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And so what are the reasons
for those rules?
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I'm just not down with rubbing my
cock up against another dude's cock.
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SHE LAUGHS
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Any more. Any more, yeah.
You did do it?
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THEY LAUGH
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Any more than I have done.
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When I was here last time,
there were a few guys who I met,
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and I'm curious to sort of know
if they're still in the business
and how they've made out.
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One was John Dough.
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Who you know has passed some
years ago, right?
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Do you know what happened?
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You mean, to cause his death?
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Yes.
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If depression is the correct word,
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I think it is related to the sort
of struggle of, you know,
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the on-set, the industry and,
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you know, some years ago, whatever,
2007 or so, you know,
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where we...the decline of
the DVD market and...
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you know, a lot of studios and
directors sort of found it a struggle
to stay viable.
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You think him killing himself had
something to do with the DVD market?
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Well, I think that his...
I think that he was one of many
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who found their business
in difficulty.
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Do you know how he killed himself?
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No. Do you?
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No.
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'With their earnings
in the doldrums,
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'porn performers are having to be
creative about how they make money.
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'To learn more, I was visiting
the home of LA Direct model
Kagney Linn Karter.'
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Hello? Hello.
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Can we come in?
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I'm Louis.
Kagney. Nice to meet you.
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Kagney, nice to meet you.
And you are Montae? Montae.
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How you doing? Nice to meet you.
Same here.
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I'm going to use the rest room,
I'll be about 20 minutes.
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You're going to have a bath?
Is that right? Yeah.
265
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You're going to clean yourself up,
get ready for what's about
to happen?
266
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Yeah, I'm going to get ready for the
live show. What is the live show?
267
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It's just a live webcam that I do
probably like once or twice a month.
268
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And you'll just be a solo
performer in this?
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Yeah, just solo.
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Montae, you are Kagney's
significant other? Yes.
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Husband? No. No.
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Not married. Hoping to be?
Yeah, eventually, some day.
273
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What do you do? I am a full-time
assistant to my girlfriend. Mm-hm.
274
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Do you have rules about what
she can't do or, you know,
what you're comfortable with?
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I give my input, I give my input
on what I believe that,
276
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you know, she should probably
refrain from doing.
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Like?
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Er... Like, for example,
her agent called today
279
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and asked her did she want
to do a boy/girl scene,
280
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but after the boy/girl scene, five
guys come and ejaculate on her.
281
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So you expressed a preference that
she not do that?
282
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Of course. I mean, I'd rather...
But what did she say?
283
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DOOR OPENS
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She said she was going to do it,
you know?
285
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Montae was saying about this scene
that you had coming up
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and about whether you should
let these guys
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kind of finish
their business on you.
288
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I mean, he didn't want to talk about
it, so I'm actually surprised that
he brought it up with you guys,
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cos, babe, you wouldn't even
talk with me about it.
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Yeah, I mean, I'm always going to
have my opinion, so...
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especially if your agent says that
he doesn't think that she should
do it.
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You saying that I couldn't do it
cuts me out of two grand and that...
No, I didn't say...
293
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..cut us out of money to go on
vacation and do nice things for
ourself. I never did say...
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So that I can buy you the clothes
that you wear, Montae. I never did
say that you couldn't do it.
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Kagney, you would maybe want to
respect his feelings, though,
296
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if he was upset by something
that you chose to do?
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Are you upset, really?
Like, you're upset now?
298
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I didn't say that I was upset. You
didn't, no. I never did say that.
299
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Of course I want to respect his
feelings. That's the thing.
300
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But sometimes he doesn't know
what's best for me
301
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and I know what's best for us
because I've been doing this
for a long time now,
302
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so he sometimes doesn't
understand that the reason why
303
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I do certain scenes is not cos
I'm just a big whore...
No, I know! That's crazy!
304
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..and I would get fucking five
loads on my face.
305
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It's because I know that that's
going to be the type of scene that
might possibly win me an award.
306
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As an outsider to the business,
you know,
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and sort of representing
people at home,
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what I would see is that Montae
is already taking a lot
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by seeing the person he loves
most in the world
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performing sex acts
with other people.
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OK, but Montae also gets to have
lots of days off
312
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where he sits around the house
and plays video games all day too,
313
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so OK, like, Montae gets
whatever he wants.
314
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He has a really good life
that I have provided for him,
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so Montae has it easy.
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Hi, everyone.
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BEEP
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Hi, guys.
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BEEP
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Sorry, I'm a little late, guys.
BEEP
321
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OK, yeah, that's good.
322
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Fuck, yeah, that's what I want
to hear.
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SHE CHUCKLES
324
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My favourite position...
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I'm kind of old fashioned.
326
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I just like missionary or,
like, scissors.
327
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How did it go?
328
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It was good. I made 100 bucks.
329
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Do you have a plan as far as how far
you'll go with this?
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I definitely want to do,
like, another seven years,
331
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and, by then, I think that me
and Montae will retire and,
332
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I mean, everything that I choose to
do and whatever I might do
333
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is just, you know, to secure
a better future for us.
334
00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,200
I'm always thinking about the future
and it's a little bit...
335
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Sometimes it's kind of wearing
and, like, I tell Montae,
336
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you know, like, I'm sorry that
I'm always so concerned about
money and things like that
337
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but, for me, it's just really
important that one day I don't have
to do this any more.
338
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Some of the women that are involved,
they don't have a ten-year plan.
339
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It's more about getting
their pay cheque,
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going to buy the new Christian
Louboutins that they could fit
on their feet.
341
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It's not like that with her.
342
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If you were... She actually has
a plan of action.
343
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'Kagney brought an incongruous
professionalism to her commitment
to extreme porn,
344
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'but it was hard not to worry
about the toll it might take
on her relationship.
345
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'In 1997, when I'd made my original
documentary,
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'one of the performers I'd focused
on was a newcomer to the business.
347
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'His porn name was JJ Michaels.'
348
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,960
Hi. Hey.
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How you doing? All right. Good to
see you. Good to see you.
350
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Can we come in?
Of course. Come on in.
351
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'Don't you think, like, with two
people who are HIV positive,
352
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'it's just a matter of time
before there's more.
353
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I mean, you must be worried.
354
00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,200
I mean, you, basically you have
unprotected sex.
355
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,680
Yeah, but I don't think about it
so...I assume I'm safe, you know?
356
00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,640
And that way, I don't go home
and worry every night.
357
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,960
If you did that, you'd just quit.
358
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,520
Well, maybe quitting wouldn't be
a bad option in that case.
359
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,200
Well, that's... No, I guess
if you're worried about it, yeah,
360
00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,280
whereas I don't so, you know.
361
00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,640
'15 years on,
JJ was out of the business
362
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'and now working in IT
in suburban Missouri.'
363
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,360
I wasn't comfortable
talking about it. I mean, no.
364
00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:41,440
Ah, there, the Jimmy Bone one,
I think I told you about this one.
365
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,000
It was the James Bond spoof that I...
366
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,800
Oh, yeah, you directed that one,
didn't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it was one I directed.
367
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,120
It was a silly James Bond spoof.
That was a two-parter.
That's pretty cool.
368
00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:53,040
Yeah, these are like some old, old
just VHSs. Naked Outdoors.
369
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Naughty Little Nymphos.
370
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,840
Is It Wrong To Be Sodomised?
371
00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,680
Young And Anal. Gutter Mouths Eight.
372
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,520
When we met, it was in early '97.
373
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,440
You stayed in after that
for three years?
374
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,840
Yes. And how did you find it?
375
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,360
Wasn't bad.
376
00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:11,840
I mean, especially,
like, the second year and, you know,
377
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when I really knew people
and I felt comfortable.
378
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,160
It wasn't like I was meeting new
people every time I went to a set
I knew all the crew.
379
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I was married in '99
to another actress
380
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and my little brother
died at the end of '99,
381
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:31,200
and when that happened I took,
like, a month or so off and...
382
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,560
How did he die?
383
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,200
Er...drug overdose.
384
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,040
Getting into the business was
caused by the death of my son.
385
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,840
In a way, it kind of shocked me
and did something
386
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,160
and this, in essence,
kind of got me out.
387
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,680
It just made me re-think, like,
388
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,840
"Well, do I really want to do this
for ever?"
389
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,440
You think you got in because
of the death of your baby son?
390
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:56,120
I think my recklessness
was part of that,
391
00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:58,000
part of that emotion,
392
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,760
and I think that entire
mentality came from that.
393
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,960
I mean, experiencing such a loss
does a lot to you
394
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,320
and, at that point in my life, I was
like, "Well, what do I have to lose?"
395
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:09,680
How did your son die?
396
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,160
It was from SIDS.
397
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,920
That's is that cot death,
basically? Sudden Infant Death.
398
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:19,520
Yeah, yeah, it's the same as British
cot death. Yeah, he was seven
and a half months.
399
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,080
I never realised those two events
went together like that.
400
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,560
I wasn't comfortable
talking about it. I mean...
401
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:31,680
certain things like that, it takes
a long time to even be comfortable
402
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:36,320
discussing them or relating to them,
understanding them
403
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,280
and, you know, obviously now I can.
404
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,480
So this is the room where
I have my set-up here.
405
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,360
This is where I record my demos.
I use the keyboard.
406
00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:47,680
What kind of lyrics do you write?
407
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,840
Well, this concept for the first
album, it's a main character
408
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,200
who goes into a mental hospital
409
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:59,720
because he was arrested for killing
his girlfriend.
410
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,520
But, in the end,
he actually didn't do it.
411
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,560
When you lose someone, you know,
when I did,
412
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,720
you feel an overwhelming sense of
guilt about it, like it's your fault,
413
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:13,960
and the main character in this
believes he killed this girl
that he loves...
414
00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:18,000
..but he didn't.
And it is metal?
415
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,200
Yes.
416
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,760
Yeah, definitely, it's a... I call it
progressive power thrash metal.
417
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MUSIC PLAYS
418
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'One of the things that
happened in the time
419
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,960
'since we taped that show
was that John Dough died.
420
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,560
'What do you know about that?'
421
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,480
I remember when one of my friends
called me and said that he'd...
hung himself, I believe.
422
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,880
It was kind of... I mean,
it was kind of shocking.
423
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,240
You're like, "Well, OK, why?"
424
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,000
I mean, it's a stressful job,
obviously.
425
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,400
It's horribly stressful
and by 2006, er...
426
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,200
I mean, the industry had changed
quite a bit.
427
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,040
Was it the fact that there were
so many new guys coming in,
428
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,640
the industry was spreading out,
it was breaking apart,
429
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,560
the sense of family was gone and
he really felt like he was alone,
430
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,360
you know, spread out over so much?
431
00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:10,200
It's going to have an emotional
impact on you in that business.
432
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,920
Is it a difficult time
for performers now?
433
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,800
Yeah. I mean, the way it is now,
within five years,
434
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,680
I don't see how there could be
a professional porn actor.
435
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,800
Back in California,
and on the northern outskirts of LA,
436
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,200
I was off to meet an industry
veteran called Tommy Gunn.
437
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,920
'I was curious to get
to know someone
438
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,040
'who was on the verge of middle age,
439
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,600
'still making a living
performing in adult movies.'
440
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,160
How you doing?
441
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,400
What's up, man?
You can park anywhere, that's good.
442
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,080
How are you? OK. Are you sure?
443
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,080
'I heard Tommy was struggling
with the emotional side
of the business.'
444
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,000
Come on out. Welcome.
Thank you. How are you?
445
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,520
Nice to meet you. I'm Louis.
It's a pleasure. Tommy.
446
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I was collecting for a while there.
447
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HE CHUCKLES
448
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,120
I pretty much won everything
they make.
449
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:10,800
You're known as a very dependable
performer, is that correct?
450
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,440
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Not to mention,
I'm not a bad actor, so...
451
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,400
Are there things you won't do?
Do you have rules?
452
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,440
You know, I try to be able to be
well-rounded enough to do it all,
453
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,400
because that's what was going to
separate me
454
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,720
from the next guy who said,
"I only do boy/girl."
455
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,880
Who's comfortable with being next to
a guy this close and a girl?
456
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,720
That's, you know, it is what it is.
457
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,160
Most of the time we know each other
anyway. "How you been?"
458
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,680
"Good." "That's good," you know?
459
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,680
I don't want to show up and I never
met the guy before and he's just
like...
460
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,040
I'd rather know him, like,
like, "Hey,"
461
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:52,280
cos now it's just like two friends
having sex with a girl, you know,
and it works.
462
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,320
There's some of the movies up there.
These so minimal, these are just...
463
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,360
You've done how many movies,
did you say?
464
00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:02,480
Upward of 1,100,
1,200 at this point.
465
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,960
This was kind of a cool movie,
Vivids To Die For. That was me.
466
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,960
Would that be your penis
on the back there?
467
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,520
No.
468
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,960
Do you feel you have a connection
with the women that you work with?
469
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,760
Once you've, you know,
had sex with them... Well...
470
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,240
..does it then feel as
though you've shared something?
471
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,000
Yeah, for me.
472
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,560
Some people may not think that
473
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,760
but, you know, for me,
there's gotta be some intimacy.
474
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,880
I mean, it's an intimate act,
isn't it?
475
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,400
In terms of timing for me, when
I got into the business, it worked.
476
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,680
I'd just go and I'd have sex with
this girl and then I'm done,
they pay me
477
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,240
and I leave and I go do my thing,
and my heart's not involved.
478
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,840
Well, guess what? Through time
and repetition,
479
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,760
eventually you do have a heart
480
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:47,680
and it does show its face
and it does call out
for attention, you know?
481
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,840
I love the business,
don't get me wrong,
482
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,240
but, at the end of the day,
I'm getting older,
483
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,920
I'd like to have kids,
it would be nice to raise a family.
484
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,360
It's difficult having
a career like this.
485
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:02,800
A lot of the performers I've spoken
to won't acknowledge that.
486
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,320
They don't acknowledge that there's
something intimate about the sex act
487
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,640
and that that can take a toll
on your... Sure.
488
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,440
..on your relationships.
489
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,160
Maybe if they were to acknowledge
that, maybe that would show
490
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,160
that they have a human side
of some sort
491
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,360
and there is some sort of
emotional thing there
492
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:21,560
and the last thing they want to do
is appear to be vulnerable.
493
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,160
And maybe also it would be difficult
to live with themselves,
494
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,120
knowing that there's something about
the business that they've chosen,
intrinsically,
495
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:33,160
that is...that has a coarsening
effect on the human spirit.
496
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,800
Yeah. Everything you gain,
you've gotta lose something.
What did I lose?
497
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,520
I lost my private intimate sex life
498
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:43,120
in order to have a job doing sex
and being paid for it on camera.
499
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,120
Is this your vehicle, Tommy? Yeah.
This is a... It looks like a riot
control vehicle.
500
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:52,480
My friends would say, "Hey, you
know, that van looks like
a zombie van."
501
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,400
I thought, "Wow, that would be
great. Maybe one day we can make
a zombie movie."
502
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,280
Have you put it in a movie yet?
No, not yet. Not at all.
503
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,560
If you're in a zombie situation,
what do you need?
504
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,800
You need something that's tough
and durable, right?
505
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,240
If you have to run over zombies,
you can't run over them without
this stuff, so...
506
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,120
Sure. So I built all this.
507
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:12,400
In the movie, this will have
all the weapons,
508
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,680
extra gas in case you need gas.
Of course.
509
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,280
So we got this little setup.
510
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,080
You know, I made all this,
and worst case scenario,
511
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,360
when you have to get on the roof
512
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,360
and you can't get outside because
the zombies are out there,
513
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:27,520
all you do is this.
514
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,880
You can get out right on the roof
like this and fight the zombies.
515
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,080
I made a documentary
in the '90s about the industry,
516
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,480
and one of the guys I followed
at that time was John Dough.
517
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,720
Did you ever cross paths with him?
518
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,520
Yes. Yes.
519
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,280
And he, of course, killed himself
a few years ago. Yes.
520
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,680
Tragically. It's a shame,
but the people who suffer
the most when they leave,
521
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:55,400
if there is any suffering, you know,
or take it the hardest, are the guys
522
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,920
because the guys, you know, through
time and through these things,
you know,
523
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:03,560
they detach themselves from this,
from their heart, from themselves
524
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,600
and you know...
525
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,080
Do you think John Dough's death
had something to do
526
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,440
with his being in the business?
527
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,280
Who knows what other underlying
things there were in his life
528
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:20,560
but, you know, it could possibly be,
you know, it really could.
529
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:21,960
ENGINE RUMBLING
530
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,880
Will you be careful?
No, of course.
531
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,560
Just keep your feet away from the...
532
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,000
Should I, do I put them
on the thing or is that yours?
533
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,320
No, you can just have them hang out.
534
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,480
You know, nobody wants to
acknowledge... No.
535
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,320
..anything when it's bad,
cos what does that mean?
536
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,760
What does that do, you know?
537
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,480
I don't know, what does that do?
I'm asking you.
538
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,800
Uh...
539
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,640
'Back in the valley, I had
an appointment at another shoot,
540
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,160
'this one a little more low end.'
541
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,920
Hi. How you doing?
542
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,040
'One of the female performers was a
newcomer I'd met at the LA Direct
offices.'
543
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,280
So have you two guys...
Have you met yet?
544
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,000
No. No?
545
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,000
We're meeting now. Yeah.
546
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,560
Tony. I'm Stefania.
547
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,480
Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you
too. Tony, have you done a few
scenes before?
548
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,720
I've been in one other scene.
Was that recently?
When did you do that one?
549
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,320
That was, like, a week ago.
How old are you?
550
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,640
I'm 23. You're 23? Mm-hm.
551
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,840
And how did you get into this?
552
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,000
A friend referred me and said,
553
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,080
"This might help you get through
school or whatever,"
554
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,440
so I decided to do it.
555
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,160
You're studying? Yeah, directing
and producing at LA Film School.
556
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,520
You're not worried in any way
that this could hold you back
in the future?
557
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,000
Everybody has to do something
at some point in their life
558
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,200
that they may not want to do
necessarily
559
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,840
but they do it because they have to,
they need to.
560
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,120
What are your ambitions, Stefania?
561
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,560
I mean, I do want to stay in this
business for as long as I can,
562
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,280
I'm actually trying to, you know,
be one of the big porn stars,
hopefully,
563
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:07,040
and then hopefully later on I could,
like, you know, start my own
business, get into, like, TV stuff.
564
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,760
I mean, the other way of looking
at it would be do it a little bit
565
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,640
while you need some money
and you're still young
566
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,600
and then put it behind you,
567
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,200
but if you make a big name for
yourself, that's harder to do.
568
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,840
Well, I'm not... Yeah, I guess
you're right, but still, though,
569
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,680
as long as I'm bringing money home,
that's all that matters.
570
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,720
I'm paying the bills. I mean,
I have a little girl
I have to take care of,
571
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,200
so, really, she's my number one
priority. A daughter? Mm-hm. Do you?
572
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,880
Do you have any kids, Tony?
573
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,080
No. I don't need a kid.
That'd be real bad.
574
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,400
I wouldn't know what to do.
575
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,240
I didn't have parents,
growing up, so... Why not?
576
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,640
Er...
577
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,880
I was, let's say, orphaned at six.
578
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,600
We'll keep it at that, so...
579
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,280
Who raised you?
580
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,120
US Government.
581
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,520
THEY CHUCKLE
582
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,320
I don't know. Foster homes.
583
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,760
I've been everywhere,
all over the place,
584
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,000
so I've gone through my fair
share of bullshit,
585
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,600
so at this point I'm like,
"You either like me or you don't.
586
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,600
"If you don't, keep it pushing
cos you're messing with my vibe."
587
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:08,960
Yeah.
588
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,000
Is it a little awkward, knowing,
you know,
589
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,120
you've just met Tony,
you've just met Stefania,
590
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,480
knowing that you'll be having
an intimate moment a bit later?
591
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,360
Well, he looks good,
so hey that helps.
592
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,320
Yeah, that's helpful. She's sexy,
so we're good. Oh, there you go.
593
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:31,720
Can we come in?
594
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,480
It's really touchy with
the new guys. Yeah.
595
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,680
They don't really,
this is his second scene.
596
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,480
Once a new guy gets spooked,
597
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,600
pretty much it's a wrap
pretty much after that.
598
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,080
Have you shot quite a few
porn movies?
599
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,000
Oh, yeah, about over 3,000
probably. Really?
600
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,480
Yeah. I've been in the business
since '98.
601
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,960
Since '98? Mm-hm. Really?
602
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,720
KNOCKS ON DOOR
603
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,120
He spooked? Yeah.
604
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,720
So I just gave him some Viagra
and hopefully that'll work. Shit.
605
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,560
I don't know, maybe if we go in
the house and give him a little more
room, he might... Yeah.
606
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,840
Oh, I'm sorry about that.
607
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,560
They're easily spooked.
608
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,840
It's so weird.
609
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,360
Penis is a very tricky animal.
610
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,520
It's a mysterious organ. Mm-hm.
611
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,480
What is happening in the industry
right now?
612
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,080
In this sort of post-PornTube era?
613
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:53,400
There is a lot of people who are
struggling for work, performer-wise,
614
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:59,720
cos it's just not as, it's not how
it was in, you know, '05, '06, '07.
615
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,840
It was everyone and their mom
thought they could do a porn site.
616
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,360
They would do 20 or 30 scenes,
617
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,160
they thought they'd make a million
dollars out of their website,
618
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,800
their website didn't make shit
so that content just sits out there,
619
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,080
they don't care about it any more,
then they end up on the tube sites,
620
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,440
so it just pretty much...
621
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,200
killed the business.
622
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,360
Killed it.
623
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,360
Like, I tell guys all the time,
like,
624
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,360
"Man, you guys better just make
this your side gig."
625
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,040
How are you doing?
I'm doing good. How are you?
626
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,360
There was a slightly slow start,
wasn't there?
627
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,720
From what I understand.
628
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,240
To begin with,
629
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,880
I think Tony was having a couple
of problems getting started?
630
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,080
Oh, no, he was fine when we started.
631
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,840
Was he? Yeah. Oh.
632
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,720
Did it feel intimate?
633
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,760
I mean, like, I...I mean, no.
634
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,000
I mean, he has a girlfriend
and I have a boyfriend,
635
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,480
so it's like we're just doing it.
636
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,120
I mean, of course he's good-looking
and he thinks I'm good-looking,
so... Sexy.
637
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,160
You know,
I did three scenes before this one.
638
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,840
I'm actually enjoying this one.
639
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,080
The other ones were like...eh, cos
he's a good-looking guy, you know?
640
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,840
I feel like you two seem like you're
kind of clicking a little bit.
641
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,200
Oh, yeah, we're cool. Yeah.
642
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,440
And that maybe, you know, could you
think about going on a date?
643
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,600
THEY LAUGH
644
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,520
I think you were meant to be
together.
645
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,840
You're so funny. Oh, my God.
You want us to be together?
646
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,120
THEY LAUGH
647
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,800
You keep saying how good-looking
Tony is. Is he better looking than
your boyfriend?
648
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,840
It's totally different.
649
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,640
I actually, I mean, like,
my boyfriend's not like,
650
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,680
he's like a pretty boy
and my boyfriend's
totally not a pretty boy.
651
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,200
What about you, Tony?
652
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,040
It's kind of funny,
I kind of like the good girls.
653
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,280
Nobody's tainted her or made her
look bad about situations or...
654
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,960
I don't know, I like the good girl.
655
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,040
Got it. Mm-hm..
656
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,680
Oh, yeah! Oh!
657
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,880
'After one more scene, plus Tony's
pop shot, the shoot was a wrap.'
658
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,000
What are you doing?
659
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,320
Oh, we're talking.
660
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,520
SHE LAUGHS
661
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,840
We're washing each other.
I mean, obviously we're washing
ourselves off now.
662
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,480
We're getting juices off.
We're getting intimate,
like you told us to do.
663
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,840
You look like you're flirting
with each other.
664
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,080
You said it happens sometimes,
right? Absolutely. I'm just kidding.
665
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,120
Oh, God.
666
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,640
And blow jobs again.
667
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,640
'It had been an oddly touching
encounter.
668
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,560
'The two novice performers seem to
have done a kind of courtship
in reverse,
669
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,760
'starting with the sex and ending
as something like friends.
670
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,680
'I had another re-visit to make.
671
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,960
'Since arriving back in the valley,
672
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,320
'I'd heard several times that
the industry was less extreme now.'
673
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:51,880
How you doing?
674
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,880
How are you, my friend?
Good to see you.
675
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,080
Come on down. This is...
Oh, how are you? Yeah, good.
676
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,680
This movie we're working on now
is called Forced Entry.
677
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,840
It sounds a little bit, you know,
sounds a little bit naughty.
678
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,600
HE LAUGHS
679
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,760
Yeah, it is. It's just pretty...
It's pretty bad.
680
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,520
It's, like, about rape.
681
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,040
So, yeah...
682
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,680
It's good to see you, man.
Yeah, you too. It really is.
683
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,960
Yeah. It is, it's good.
Yeah. Oh, good.
684
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:23,840
'In 1997, the more outrageous
and gruesome side of the business
had been personified
685
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,200
'by a 23-year-old director
named Rob Black.'
686
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,560
How you feeling, Lexi?
687
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,200
Kind of weird.
688
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,480
'Since then, he'd lost a fortune
and gone to prison,
689
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,880
'but now he was back directing.'
690
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:43,800
I created a genre of porn
that nobody had seen.
691
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:49,680
Assholes stretched open
and just all that just crazy shit.
692
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,160
And now, we're in
the post-shocking era.
693
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,480
Yes. Parody, a huge thing.
694
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:03,160
Oh, well, here, example - here, this
is part of the armour from Iron Man.
695
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,320
And for porn, that's actually
a pretty good prop.
696
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,600
Dude, the suit cost,
like, four grand.
697
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,440
Look, I mean,
these are, like, the legs.
698
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,960
Mmm.
699
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,760
So, yeah, so this is,
this is, like, the prop.
700
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,920
Fucking thing.
701
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,480
Go into the warehouse.
702
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,040
This is like a monster company that
puts out 20, 30 different lines.
703
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,280
Rodney's Birthday, but this is shit,
you know? It's jerk-off stuff,
704
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,120
but then he puts out
the stuff that we do...
705
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,520
Well, it's all jerk-off stuff,
isn't it? Yeah, but this is stuff...
706
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,080
Here's the thing.
Here's the thing, Mr Thorax.
707
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:44,680
Where the business is going now
is it's acceptable to watch
pornography.
708
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,920
It's acceptable to sit down with
your girlfriend or your wife
709
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,040
and introduce her to pornography,
710
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,200
but the pornography that you're
introducing her to
711
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,920
is stuff that I'm doing now,
712
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,440
not, you know,
have a Birthday Blast.
713
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,880
Here we go, this is what we do.
This is what I do. OK, here we go.
714
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,200
Captain America. In two discs.
715
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,480
XXX.
716
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,880
Iron Man, look at that.
Just look at that.
717
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,600
Come on, that's a porno.
718
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:15,680
How's it doing?
719
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,560
It's doing fucking fabulous.
720
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,800
Is it? Yeah. Look at this.
721
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,600
Here's mine. 3D.
722
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,000
You directed that one?
I direct all of them.
723
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,120
This ain't no bullshit.
This isn't anal fisting.
724
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,600
Supergirl. Look at that. Nice.
725
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,000
So what happened to you?
They sent you to prison. Yeah.
726
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,000
And your wife too. Yeah!
What was that like?
727
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,320
It's prison. Yeah. Yeah.
728
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,680
What you want to know about it?
I was raped every day.
729
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,240
What were you convicted of?
730
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:45,600
I was raped and sodomised.
What were you convicted of?
731
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,320
Obscenity?
732
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,640
Yeah, yeah.
733
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,080
You took a plea. You seemed very
confident of winning.
734
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,720
Yeah. Yeah.
So what went wrong?
735
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:56,360
At the end of the day,
it wasn't just me.
736
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,120
Lizzie was involved,
you know what I mean? Your wife.
737
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:05,680
Yeah, so I think if we went to
trial and we had lost,
738
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:10,800
I think it would have really sucked
if I had my wife in prison for four
years.
739
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,880
How long did they give you
in the end? A year and a day.
740
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,520
Each of you got a year and a day?
Each of us got a year and a day.
741
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,360
That you served? Ten months.
742
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,920
In a way, you got what you wanted,
didn't you? Cos you wanted to be
a provocateur,
743
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,280
you wanted to shake things up
and be outrageous. Yeah, of course.
744
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,800
Yes. So was it worth it?
745
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,360
At the end of the day,
my main focus was
746
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,680
to be the biggest and baddest
provocateur of pornography.
747
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,400
I accomplished that
and was it worth it?
748
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,040
Hmm. Was it worth it?
749
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,680
I would say yeah. Yeah.
750
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,960
Do you miss the days of being kind
of the most outrageous guy
on the block?
751
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,800
No, because this is most outrageous
now. It's not outrageous, Rob.
752
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,280
Shhh, listen to me.
753
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,120
I feel like you've been through a
lot and you've landed on your feet
754
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,480
and you are back directing
and that's great,
755
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,240
but that in a way they've tamed you,
haven't they?
756
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:05,120
No, no. Why?
757
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,200
Why? I don't see... Absolutely not.
758
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,400
You gotta move on. You gotta evolve.
759
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,320
Part of evolving is looking back
and thinking, "You know what?
760
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,640
"I thought that was
funny at the time,
761
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,720
"now it seems kind of crass,"
or insensitive or whatever it is.
762
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:20,920
Definitely.
Do you feel that at all?
763
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,120
I don't find anything crass or
insensitive, because that's taste,
764
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:32,480
but, yeah, stretching anal orifices
with multiple cocks and stuff like
that, it's silly.
765
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,720
You know what I mean?
It's, like, silly.
766
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:37,560
Do you think now, looking back,
that there was a time when maybe
767
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,320
you took it too far
or maybe it wasn't appropriate
to make that film? No.
768
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,000
No, no, no, no. Or maybe the woman
felt pressured or...
769
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,840
Absolutely not, because we weren't
an under... See, we weren't
underground.
770
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,040
It was all staged.
771
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,400
All right, dude, here's what's going
to happen. The guy's going to come
in, you're going to act scared.
772
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,360
What the fuck did you think, we just
got random girls from the street,
773
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,440
threw them in a room
and it was like, "OK, are you ready?
Here we go. Boo!"
774
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,960
What the... I mean... It's retarded.
775
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,640
The films were,
you know, kind of gloried
776
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,360
and revelled in the fact that they
were degrading women.
777
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:09,760
Would you agree?
778
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,720
Everything wasn't degrading
to women.
779
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:14,200
Watch these sluts get...come on
and... OK.
780
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,840
And then later on... OK.
You wouldn't think those women
might find it embarrassing?
781
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,840
It's all subjective up to
that person.
782
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,680
Degrading somebody
and that whole thing is all,
783
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,320
it's all up to that person -
how they felt, you know?
784
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,880
Is there a part of you that misses
the old days? Not at all.
785
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,280
Why not?
786
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,120
Cos I outgrew it.
787
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:44,040
I used to have steak every day
for six years
788
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,640
and now I decided that, you know,
I'm going to change it up.
789
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,560
I don't miss that era of who I was,
790
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,440
cos it was just different
sections of my life.
791
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,400
'I was in Las Vegas.
792
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,240
'Tommy Gunn had been booked on a
shoot for an internet porn company.
793
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:38,160
'Since seeing him, I'd been
intrigued by his sense of loneliness
794
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,200
'amid the abundance
of available sex.
795
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,560
'He'd agreed to let me
see him at work.
796
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,320
'Also in the wings was another
male performer.'
797
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,800
You are?
798
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,920
Marco Banderas.
Marco Banderas? Yes.
799
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,840
From Spain?
From Spain.
800
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,640
Do you know who you're
doing a scene with?
801
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,400
Sometimes I forgot the names
because there's too many
English name for my mind.
802
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,200
I doing a lot girls. Yeah.
40 girls a month.
803
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,040
That's more than one a day.
I have the record.
804
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:14,520
Last two, three months ago, I did ten
pop shots in three hours and a half.
805
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,960
What was that like? Was it nice?
806
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,160
Yes.
807
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,760
How you doing, Tommy? Good.
Good to see you. Likewise.
808
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,440
I'm Louis. Hi, I'm Tasha. Nice to
meet you. Nice to meet you.
809
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,760
Are you are you doing a scene
today? Yeah, with Tommy.
810
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,160
Have you worked with Tommy
before? I have, yeah. Yes.
811
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,920
Do you know what kind of scene it
is? Just a standard boy/girl
vaginal? Nothing...
812
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,000
Yeah, yeah, just plain vanilla
boy/girl.
813
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,880
No extra anal or...
814
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,480
Eww, no. Not yet.
None of that nature.
815
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,040
Do you have a long-term plan?
816
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,160
Yes, I do. I go to school full time.
817
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,640
I'm almost done with my Bachelors at
UCLA... Studying?
818
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,680
Women's Studies and Psychology,
so...
819
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,400
Women's Studies? Yes. Interesting.
820
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,120
Actually, I think it led me
to do adult because... Yeah.
821
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,480
..adult is the only industry in
America where women get paid
more than men.
822
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:02,160
Tasha, you're comfortable separating
sex from emotional connection?
823
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,760
Oh, yeah. I mean, most of the guys
I know that are my age,
around 22 years old,
824
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,240
are having sex with girls all
the time and I don't think that
they're looking at it
825
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:12,200
like they're going to be with that
girl for ever. I think it's more...
826
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,720
But there's still something
emotional that has to happen.
Of course.
827
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:20,080
When you have a conversation with
somebody, there's still some sort
of intimacy in it. You know? Yeah.
828
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,080
Mmm. Hmm. I gotta go do my pretty
girls. Yes. Yes. OK, bye.
829
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,240
Nice to meet you, Tasha. We'll see
you on set. Nice to meet you too.
OK, bye. Thank you for that.
830
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:31,240
Remember today, right now.
Remember right now. Yeah.
831
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:34,280
You will blink your eyes and you'll
remember this conversation. Yeah.
832
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,480
And you'll be 40 and you're going to
go, "Holy fuck, I was wrong,
833
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,800
"life isn't long, life is short."
Yeah.
834
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,440
So don't go settling
for something like,
835
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,400
"Oh, well, you know, life is long,
I got plenty of time." You don't.
836
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,920
Maybe...maybe I'm just another
dumb girl.
837
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,400
THEY CHUCKLE
838
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,840
Jackie's awesome. She's a cutie.
839
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,560
So what does that mean, exactly?
840
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,640
You know, "Fuck a pretty girl every
day." Like, what does that mean?
841
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,680
Is that what she said to you? Yeah.
It's a compliment, saying
that you...
842
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,000
You were successful. OK, great.
But what is that?
843
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,520
So what does that mean?
844
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,400
I'm trying to wrap my head
around it.
845
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,520
You're interested in striking up
a relationship with her?
846
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,240
No, it's just, you know,
the truth of the matter is
847
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:18,360
would these girls be fucking me if
they weren't getting paid to do it?
848
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,280
Well, some would and some wouldn't.
849
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,600
Right, so... Right?
850
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,720
You know?
851
00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:26,600
How long have you been single for?
852
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,720
I've been single now four years.
853
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:32,920
Really? Describe your ideal woman.
854
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,480
Self-sacrificing and caring
and nurturing and, you know,
855
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,880
wants to have children and...
856
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,280
Honestly, I'm not going to find her
in this business.
857
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,520
What's stopping you from leaving
the business now to find that?
858
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,520
A financial issue.
You still gotta make the money.
859
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,040
Hey, guys, I'm still here on set,
860
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,160
just updating you every five seconds.
Here's Marco.
861
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,480
So what did you do today?
862
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:58,840
I did a anal scene.
863
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,400
With who? With er... We're ready.
864
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,520
I don't remember the name.
OK. I have to go. OK.
865
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,000
Thank you.
866
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,400
Do you feel you've got good
chemistry with Tasha?
867
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:26,080
Yes, and part of that comes with
dealing with many girls over time.
868
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,200
She doesn't seem that
interested in you.
869
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,880
Do you ever comment on that?
870
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,840
No. That would just create
even more of a...you know?
871
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,440
I just kind of just...
872
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,680
see what I can do about it.
873
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,000
And just look out cos I'm going to
go to a wide shot how.
874
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,240
We're going, stroking the whole
time, so it's already happened
out there.
875
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,920
And from there right up
against the wall, OK?
876
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,280
Rolling, action.
877
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:56,600
SHE GROANS AND MOANS
Oh, fuck.
878
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,040
You know you like my customer
service.
879
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,360
It's hard to think of other things to
say about customer service though.
880
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,400
Your experience shopping here is
good. Hopefully your experience
shopping here is good.
881
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,800
I said that five times. Oh, you did?
882
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,440
I just kind of do my job.
883
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,200
Smile, put on that face, whatever.
884
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,960
All right, Tommy, you're going
to go from that position.
885
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,680
Gotcha. Will you be able to?
Oh, yeah. Cool.
886
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,000
You're going to say something like,
887
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,200
"I hope your shopping
experience was easy for you,"
888
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,040
or something wonderful or...
889
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,920
"I hope your experience at ZZ Video
was memorable." That's easy.
890
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,400
OK, are you ready? Yep. OK.
891
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,960
I'm rolling, and action.
892
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,520
SHE GROANS AND MOANS
893
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,280
I hope that your experience
at ZZ Video was memorable.
894
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,600
It was.
895
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,040
Nice. All right, ready?
896
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,880
So you did it. I did it, yeah.
897
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,600
Again, I don't know what
number that would be.
898
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,480
I've kind of lost count.
899
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,240
Without sounding creepy, you seem
to be doing an excellent job.
900
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:10,320
I have to. That's my job.
901
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,640
You don't think for a moment
in that scene today
902
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,640
I was in love with that
girl in my mind?
903
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,080
I shared something with her she
didn't even know I shared with her.
904
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,880
Have you had relationships
while you were in the business?
905
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,680
I mean, serious, long-term
relationships
906
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,120
while you've been in the business?
Have I? Yeah.
907
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,800
Yeah.
908
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,120
And was it a strain?
Was it a struggle in any way?
909
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,640
Yeah.
910
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,880
The human side of it
911
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,800
in terms of realising that
it's not...
912
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,240
..normal...
913
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:51,200
to leave somebody you love to go and
have sex with somebody you don't.
914
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,840
That's not normal.
915
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,160
I try not to let the past
affect my future,
916
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,840
but when the heart gets hurt,
that's a difficult thing.
917
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,080
I have a tendency of wearing
your heart on the sleeve.
918
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,520
You never heard that expression?
919
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,160
What does that mean, when you
wear your heart on your sleeve?
920
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,520
It means that you give love very
readily and you make yourself
vulnerable.
921
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,560
Yeah. I do that.
922
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,320
A lot.
923
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,120
So maybe that's why this job
works for me so much,
924
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,680
cos my heart's not
involved in this, in this.
925
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,840
My heart's home, safe in a box
where nobody can touch it.
926
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,800
But I get to go to work
927
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,040
and breathe heavy
in some chick's ear
928
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,720
and perform a sex act...
929
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:44,240
and, at the end of the day,
I have my release
930
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:45,920
and that's healthy.
931
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,960
You know?
932
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:52,680
And yeah, I'll do it again.
I'll get my heart broken again.
933
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,200
I thought your heart was in a box.
934
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,880
It is, but I'll take it out.
935
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,560
It's OK, I'll take it out,
do it again.
936
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,000
'It was hard not to
sympathise with Tommy.
937
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,360
'I sensed he'd been an outsider
before coming into porn
938
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,920
'and that porn was in turn making a
normal life ever more unattainable.
939
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,600
'Back in Los Angeles, and I was off
to see Kagney Linn Karter.
940
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,240
'She'd just returned from the
outlandish shoot involving six men
941
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:27,280
'that her boyfriend Montae
had been unhappy about.'
942
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,200
Hi. Hi, guys.
943
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,560
Shall we come in?
Yes, please.
944
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,720
Are you OK? How did it go?
945
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:39,160
I have to admit, I was nervous
this morning, I was really nervous,
946
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,440
but once I got to set, everything...
947
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,280
was fully the way that it was
supposed to be,
948
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,800
so I did the scene and then the guy
that I do the scene with leaves
949
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,120
and then the other guys, they just
basically ejaculate on my face.
950
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,760
It was perfect, actually.
951
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,920
From the outside world perspective,
952
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:04,000
they see most of the people in
the porn industry, the performers,
953
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,760
that they've got some
kind of damage in their life.
954
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,480
For sure. I've got a lot of damage.
955
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:14,080
I mean, my father has been
incarcerated my whole life
956
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,560
and, you know, he had a major
drug problem and er...
957
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,840
Do you think maybe your dad having
not been in the,
958
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,560
you know, in the picture,
959
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,120
that he was in prison
all these years,
960
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,800
had something to do with you
perhaps going into porn?
961
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,200
Absolutely not.
962
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,640
SHE CHUCKLES
963
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:32,880
I don't think that at all.
964
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,240
Everyone has problems.
965
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:37,520
Everyone.
966
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,320
I went into porn
cos I wanted to get into porn.
967
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,080
I mean, after what
we talked about, Montae,
968
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,200
you know, about how you felt and
what your opinion was of this scene,
969
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,120
was it strange for you today,
thinking about the scene going on?
970
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:54,040
No, not at all. I mean, I really
actually, I didn't think about it
at all.
971
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,280
I asked her, "How did the scene go?"
972
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:02,000
And she said, "It went great"
and I said, "Great, perfect."
973
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,560
Because that makes me feel...
974
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,360
ecstatic, elated
that she went to work
975
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,920
and, you know, things went well.
976
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,160
You feel ecstatic and elated
about you doing this scene
and it going well?
977
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,600
No, I felt ecstatic and elated
that... That it went well.
978
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:23,440
..that it went well. I'm not happy
and ecstatic that she had sex acts.
979
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:24,880
With those guys.
980
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,000
Right, and which is, you know,
it's not...it's not a big deal,
981
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,760
you know what I'm saying?
982
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,920
So many people I've spoken to have
said it's very difficult to maintain
a stable relationship
983
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,880
when you're working in adult movies,
984
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:42,800
so...are you saying you're
the exception to that?
985
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,200
Definitely one of the exceptions,
for sure.
986
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,040
How come? At least for right now.
987
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,040
I mean, I would say four years,
almost five years now, is quite
an exception.
988
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,960
Given that he's not in the industry,
989
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,960
I think it's impressive how Montae's
able to take a kind of back seat.
990
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,360
Is that part of what's
happening here?
991
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,760
He's this beautiful man.
992
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,240
I mean, he's just a beautiful
person, like, inside and out.
993
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:07,080
Maybe he's TOO relaxed.
994
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,960
So you think he's lazy? I'm not
saying that he is, I'm just... No.
995
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,480
THEY CHUCKLE
996
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:17,160
Now, if me and Montae aren't
together, heaven forbid, in ten
years, you know what?
997
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,320
Say what you will, whatever,
we're not together any more,
998
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:21,640
but you know what?
999
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,880
We've had a fucking great
five years now
1000
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,680
and whatever more we can get,
I'll take.
1001
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,560
'I had one last appointment
in the world of porn.'
1002
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:42,280
Hangs the doll by the neck. OK? OK.
1003
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,840
And that's porno! Huh?!
1004
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:50,000
'In 1997, John Dough -
real name Chet Anuszek -
1005
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,480
'had been at the top
of his profession.'
1006
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,600
Do you get a lot of people
coming up to you saying,
1007
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,760
"Hey man, I want to do your job,"
that type of thing?
1008
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,120
Oh, yeah, you gotta go to work.
Right. You gotta go to work, sure.
Ah, right.
1009
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,160
It must get kind of irritating in a
way, like, people don't regard you,
take your work seriously,
1010
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,520
like, they don't, they say,
"Oh, you just have sex."
1011
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,640
No, it isn't irritating.
I just stay home more.
1012
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,400
'He'd married a fellow performer
known as Monique DeMoan.'
1013
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,880
Hi. Hello.
1014
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,200
Cheyenne? Hi.
I'm Louis. Hi, Louis.
1015
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:22,120
'I'd tracked her down, 800 miles
from LA, retired from porn.'
1016
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,560
Well, this is a picture of little
Breena.
1017
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,840
That's your daughter? This is
our daughter. With Chet.
1018
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:33,680
Breena was about three years old,
and that's up in Mammoth.
1019
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,600
That's Chet on his motorcycle.
1020
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,640
This is, I mean, after we'd been
together for quite a few years.
1021
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,880
Do you have copies of the films that
you and Chet made together?
1022
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,360
I do still have Doctor Butts 3,
of course.
1023
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,680
Doctor Butts 3, with a kind
of Hannibal Lecter thing going on.
1024
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,720
Why have you hung onto that one
in particular?
1025
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:53,600
It's sentimental.
1026
00:54:53,600 --> 00:55:00,760
If you're able to capture something
that hot on camera, you know,
1027
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,000
and it's your first encounter with
your husband, your baby's daddy,
1028
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,080
you're not going to get rid of it.
1029
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,800
What worked about the relationship?
What was it that you liked?
1030
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,640
Er...
1031
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,680
He took me out
and we had a good time.
1032
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,960
It was life in the fast lane,
though.
1033
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,560
Fast lane meaning?
1034
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,720
Sex, drugs, rock and roll.
1035
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:24,920
To a civilian like myself,
the idea of having sex on camera
1036
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,600
and then being faithful off camera
and being committed
1037
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,000
seems like it would be very
difficult.
1038
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:36,320
It's really not that hard. What's
hard is active addiction - drugs.
1039
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,080
That's what's hard.
1040
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,720
You know?
1041
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:44,800
If you want to have a good, happy
life, you have to give up the drugs,
1042
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,280
and Chet did, many times,
1043
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,920
and so did I.
1044
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,840
But unfortunately there are those
relapses and unfortunately...
1045
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,520
..it ended with his suicide.
1046
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,000
How would you feel about
talking about
1047
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,800
how you came to find out
that he'd killed himself?
1048
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,960
I...
1049
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:13,880
..I was out getting...some drugs...
1050
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,640
..and I came home
1051
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,840
and thought that it was very strange
that I couldn't find Chet,
1052
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,400
seeing as I had drugs.
1053
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,800
I knew something was wrong
and I started looking for him.
1054
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,720
I looked throughout the whole house,
1055
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:32,840
I looked through the back yard...
1056
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,440
and it was so quiet.
1057
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,240
SHE SOBS
1058
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:40,560
It was so quiet...
1059
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,840
and I heard a...a creak
in the closet...
1060
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,600
..and that's when I found him.
1061
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,920
Chet was really, truly, honestly,
he was a really good dad.
1062
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,840
He was a good dad,
1063
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:03,240
but he felt that he had failed
as a husband and as a father.
1064
00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:05,480
He felt that he had failed in life.
1065
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,840
He felt that he was
failing as a man.
1066
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,760
He felt... He just, he was...he was
broken.
1067
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:26,160
This is my spelling test and, like,
I got four wrong on it.
1068
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,480
Which is pretty good.
Were you good in school, Cheyenne?
1069
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,920
No, I wasn't that great in school.
1070
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,760
It must be nice to see Breena
do so well. Yes.
1071
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,280
Oh, absolutely.
1072
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,200
Yeah. You're proud.
Very. I'm very proud of her.
1073
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,240
Do you know what you'd like to be
when you grow up?
1074
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,360
I want to be a police officer.
1075
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,080
You do?
1076
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,760
Mm. How come?
1077
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:54,320
Because I like to stop
people from doing the wrong thing
1078
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,160
and, like, cos I want everyone
to do the right thing a lot.
1079
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,400
'I'd gone in search
of adult performers,
1080
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,960
'trying to understand
the price they pay
1081
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,600
'for taking the most intimate
human act and putting it on camera.
1082
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,360
'I'd found an industry that,
15 years on,
1083
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:31,400
'was more demoralised and still
taking the privacy of its young
cohorts while paying them less.
1084
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,200
'And yet, the world of porn
is also a refuge -
1085
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:41,160
'somewhere people fleeing lives of
chaos can blend in and feel valued.
1086
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,680
'Though it can inflict
wounds on those who work in it,
1087
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:48,400
'it could also occasionally
surprise with its tenderness.'
1088
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,160
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