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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:58,628 --> 00:01:03,067 Hey Siri, send a message to Cheryl. 2 00:01:03,110 --> 00:01:04,111 Front reception. 3 00:01:06,331 --> 00:01:07,331 What do you want to say? 4 00:01:08,942 --> 00:01:11,685 Amos is already heading there to pick him up, period. 5 00:01:11,727 --> 00:01:13,861 Please forward any calls I get to Brady, period. 6 00:01:15,123 --> 00:01:16,906 Your message to Cheryl front reception 7 00:01:16,950 --> 00:01:19,257 says Amos is already heading there to pick him up. 8 00:01:19,301 --> 00:01:20,911 Please forward any calls I get to Brady. 9 00:01:21,521 --> 00:01:22,521 Ready to send it? 10 00:01:22,783 --> 00:01:23,783 Yes. 11 00:01:24,914 --> 00:01:26,091 Okay, it's sent. 12 00:01:27,962 --> 00:01:28,962 Hey, Siri, 13 00:01:31,182 --> 00:01:33,063 how do you know if you're doing the right thing? 14 00:01:35,186 --> 00:01:36,361 I'm not sure I understand. 15 00:01:40,539 --> 00:01:41,670 But what do you believe 16 00:01:41,715 --> 00:01:43,412 is the difference between right and wrong? 17 00:01:45,545 --> 00:01:46,763 Hmm. 18 00:01:46,807 --> 00:01:48,112 I don't have an answer for that. 19 00:01:48,634 --> 00:01:50,034 Would you like me to search the web? 20 00:01:51,027 --> 00:01:52,027 No. 21 00:01:53,247 --> 00:01:55,293 Okay, is there something else I can help with? 22 00:02:04,867 --> 00:02:06,435 Set a reminder to pick up Kyle 23 00:02:06,478 --> 00:02:08,655 from therapy tomorrow at 4:45. 24 00:02:10,612 --> 00:02:12,137 Okay, I'll remind you. 25 00:02:34,027 --> 00:02:36,335 Hi, special agent Deena Helms. 26 00:02:36,377 --> 00:02:37,442 You've already met Agent McCullough. 27 00:02:37,466 --> 00:02:38,859 You can call me Amos. 28 00:02:38,901 --> 00:02:41,644 - Uh, agents? - Have a seat for us, Gareth. 29 00:02:44,343 --> 00:02:45,942 Do you mind answering a couple questions? 30 00:02:47,346 --> 00:02:49,435 Great, this shouldn't take long. 31 00:02:51,393 --> 00:02:53,569 You're from Tampa, right? 32 00:02:56,180 --> 00:02:57,621 Don't overthink it. It's a yes or no. 33 00:02:59,009 --> 00:03:00,228 Yeah. 34 00:03:00,271 --> 00:03:01,621 How old are you, Gareth? 35 00:03:01,663 --> 00:03:02,534 29. 36 00:03:02,578 --> 00:03:04,188 What do you do for work? 37 00:03:04,231 --> 00:03:05,538 I'm sorry, am I being detained? 38 00:03:05,580 --> 00:03:06,842 No, not at all. 39 00:03:06,887 --> 00:03:08,758 We're just asking questions, background stuff. 40 00:03:09,977 --> 00:03:11,151 You work on movies, right? 41 00:03:12,066 --> 00:03:13,066 Special effects. 42 00:03:14,329 --> 00:03:15,634 Someone told me you worked 43 00:03:15,677 --> 00:03:17,177 on that new "Star Wars" movie, is that right? 44 00:03:17,201 --> 00:03:18,463 Who told you that? 45 00:03:18,507 --> 00:03:20,292 Why don't you tell us more about it? 46 00:03:20,335 --> 00:03:21,335 Tell us about your work. 47 00:03:23,860 --> 00:03:25,775 I used to do VFX for an animation company. 48 00:03:25,818 --> 00:03:26,883 I've worked on at least 20 different films. 49 00:03:26,907 --> 00:03:28,169 Used to? 50 00:03:28,212 --> 00:03:29,474 I've been focusing more 51 00:03:29,518 --> 00:03:30,712 on software engineering recently for years- 52 00:03:30,736 --> 00:03:32,390 Sounds boring compared to light sabers. 53 00:03:32,433 --> 00:03:33,652 Why quit? 54 00:03:33,695 --> 00:03:34,783 I wasn't getting paid well. 55 00:03:34,828 --> 00:03:36,108 But money's not an issue for you. 56 00:03:36,133 --> 00:03:37,308 Excuse me? 57 00:03:37,352 --> 00:03:38,223 What kind of effects did you do? 58 00:03:38,265 --> 00:03:39,615 Money's not an issue for me? 59 00:03:39,658 --> 00:03:40,853 -Let's talk about- -If money wasn't an issue for me 60 00:03:40,877 --> 00:03:41,941 I wouldn't have applied for your grant. 61 00:03:41,965 --> 00:03:43,284 I didn't mean to suggest anything. 62 00:03:43,966 --> 00:03:45,406 Tell us what kind of effects you did. 63 00:03:48,581 --> 00:03:50,146 My main focus was on 3D renderings. 64 00:03:50,191 --> 00:03:51,278 Of what? 65 00:03:51,323 --> 00:03:52,323 - Actors. - What for? 66 00:03:53,062 --> 00:03:54,325 Well, for "Star Wars," 67 00:03:54,368 --> 00:03:55,867 it was because the actor I was tasked to digitize 68 00:03:55,891 --> 00:03:57,412 was unavailable to be filmed in person. 69 00:03:58,025 --> 00:03:59,025 Why? 70 00:04:00,069 --> 00:04:01,069 Because they were dead. 71 00:04:02,899 --> 00:04:03,899 What'd they have you do? 72 00:04:05,945 --> 00:04:08,122 I reconstructed Alec Guinness' face as a 3D model. 73 00:04:08,164 --> 00:04:09,731 I analyzed reference footage, 74 00:04:09,776 --> 00:04:11,622 then used a process called D-Term to procedurally generate 75 00:04:11,646 --> 00:04:12,884 his bone and muscle structures, 76 00:04:12,908 --> 00:04:14,277 which one rigged helped the animation feel 77 00:04:14,301 --> 00:04:15,563 more natural and human-like. 78 00:04:15,608 --> 00:04:17,783 D-Term, I've never heard of that process before. 79 00:04:17,826 --> 00:04:18,915 Because I invented it. 80 00:04:19,264 --> 00:04:20,177 So you're basically bringing 81 00:04:20,221 --> 00:04:21,483 dead actors back to life? 82 00:04:21,526 --> 00:04:22,981 I just tried to make the CG characters look as 83 00:04:23,005 --> 00:04:24,636 photorealistic as the technology at the time would allow. 84 00:04:24,660 --> 00:04:25,699 You didn't find it creepy? 85 00:04:26,574 --> 00:04:27,574 I'm sorry, what? 86 00:04:28,403 --> 00:04:29,723 I said you don't find that creepy? 87 00:04:32,014 --> 00:04:34,408 Well, we did our best to cross the uncanny valley. 88 00:04:34,452 --> 00:04:36,019 But when the human brain perceives 89 00:04:36,062 --> 00:04:37,300 that something is just slightly off and it doesn't matter- 90 00:04:37,324 --> 00:04:38,346 No, I mean, digitizing dead people. 91 00:04:38,370 --> 00:04:39,500 Christ, I mean, it's, 92 00:04:39,545 --> 00:04:40,913 it's almost like turning someone's corpse 93 00:04:40,937 --> 00:04:42,069 into a marionette, you know? 94 00:04:42,112 --> 00:04:43,391 Making them do whatever you want. 95 00:04:43,896 --> 00:04:45,115 What if the poor dead guy 96 00:04:45,158 --> 00:04:46,838 didn't want to be in another fucking movie? 97 00:04:47,422 --> 00:04:48,422 It's so macabre. 98 00:04:48,814 --> 00:04:49,922 Am I crazy? Is it not macabre? 99 00:04:49,946 --> 00:04:51,053 I don't think the studio cares 100 00:04:51,077 --> 00:04:52,209 whether it's macabre or not. 101 00:04:52,252 --> 00:04:53,447 Look, I can never tell the difference. 102 00:04:53,471 --> 00:04:55,014 I always can. The faces look like Play-Doh. 103 00:04:55,038 --> 00:04:56,170 Well, we did our best. 104 00:04:56,213 --> 00:04:57,365 Soon we won't even need actors, right? 105 00:04:57,389 --> 00:04:58,694 Everyone will just be digital. 106 00:04:58,737 --> 00:05:00,411 No, you still need them for motion tracking. 107 00:05:00,435 --> 00:05:02,456 Human performances can't be completely computer generated. 108 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:03,560 How long will that be true? 109 00:05:07,702 --> 00:05:09,742 Some might say we've already crossed that threshold. 110 00:05:11,403 --> 00:05:12,403 I wouldn't know. 111 00:05:15,406 --> 00:05:16,625 Where'd you go to school? 112 00:05:16,668 --> 00:05:18,278 - Brooks-DeBartolo High. - And after? 113 00:05:20,149 --> 00:05:21,413 Nothing? 114 00:05:21,456 --> 00:05:22,326 What about Columbia? 115 00:05:22,370 --> 00:05:23,410 Didn't you go to Columbia? 116 00:05:25,634 --> 00:05:27,113 Wait, no. You dropped out of Columbia 117 00:05:27,156 --> 00:05:29,420 after how many semesters? 118 00:05:29,985 --> 00:05:30,985 Three? 119 00:05:33,076 --> 00:05:35,949 Bjarne Stroustrup said 120 00:05:35,992 --> 00:05:37,471 you were the smartest kid he ever met. 121 00:05:38,691 --> 00:05:41,389 I don't know who he is, but Amos says it's a big deal. 122 00:05:42,694 --> 00:05:44,014 Then you moved to the Netherlands, 123 00:05:44,523 --> 00:05:46,045 spent some time as an intern, 124 00:05:46,786 --> 00:05:48,026 applied and got into Cambridge. 125 00:05:48,744 --> 00:05:50,005 Very nice. 126 00:05:50,050 --> 00:05:51,769 Except that you dropped out after two years. 127 00:05:52,399 --> 00:05:53,574 Flew back to the States, 128 00:05:53,619 --> 00:05:56,012 interned in Palo Alto, then Montreal. 129 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:57,641 Then went all the way back to England, 130 00:05:57,665 --> 00:05:59,146 where you landed a job in Sheffield. 131 00:05:59,189 --> 00:06:00,887 Second job in Manchester. 132 00:06:01,452 --> 00:06:04,151 Then got into Oxford where you almost finished your masters 133 00:06:04,194 --> 00:06:05,413 before ditching the graduation 134 00:06:05,456 --> 00:06:06,935 and moving back here to Florida. 135 00:06:11,637 --> 00:06:12,768 If money was an issue, 136 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:16,380 I'm glad you had plenty of flyer miles. 137 00:06:18,470 --> 00:06:19,644 I didn't hear a question. 138 00:06:20,819 --> 00:06:21,980 What's your social life like? 139 00:06:22,822 --> 00:06:24,605 My, what does that have anything to do- 140 00:06:24,649 --> 00:06:26,105 If you don't want to talk about it, that's fine. 141 00:06:26,129 --> 00:06:27,411 We just wanted to know if you have friends and stuff. 142 00:06:27,435 --> 00:06:29,002 - I have friends. - A lot of them? 143 00:06:29,045 --> 00:06:30,283 - I have friends. - Can you name one? 144 00:06:30,307 --> 00:06:31,459 - Can I what? - Can you tell us the nam 145 00:06:31,483 --> 00:06:32,603 of just one of your friends? 146 00:06:33,528 --> 00:06:35,617 - Steve. - Steve. Steve what? 147 00:06:35,661 --> 00:06:36,985 I don't know how this is relevant to receiving the grant. 148 00:06:37,009 --> 00:06:38,689 Oh, we're just getting to know you, Gareth. 149 00:06:39,403 --> 00:06:40,403 You got a girlfriend? 150 00:06:40,927 --> 00:06:41,927 Boyfriend? 151 00:06:42,494 --> 00:06:44,278 You, uh, talk to people online? 152 00:06:44,321 --> 00:06:45,428 I don't know what you mean by that. 153 00:06:45,452 --> 00:06:46,715 I don't use social media. 154 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:47,879 I mean more like chat rooms. 155 00:06:52,721 --> 00:06:54,026 You go on any chat rooms? 156 00:06:58,901 --> 00:07:00,250 No one uses chat rooms anymore. 157 00:07:00,990 --> 00:07:01,990 Sure they do. 158 00:07:03,776 --> 00:07:04,896 You chat with anyone online? 159 00:07:07,519 --> 00:07:08,694 - Sometimes. - Sometimes. 160 00:07:10,216 --> 00:07:11,958 What kinds of people do you talk to online? 161 00:07:14,089 --> 00:07:18,180 Gareth, obviously, this isn't about a grant. 162 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:20,759 We need to know what your alias is. 163 00:07:22,141 --> 00:07:24,057 When you go online, what name do you use? 164 00:07:24,100 --> 00:07:25,319 I don't have one. 165 00:07:25,362 --> 00:07:26,362 Yes, you do. 166 00:07:27,189 --> 00:07:28,550 And you need to tell us what it is. 167 00:07:33,805 --> 00:07:34,894 Sorry, I can't help you. 168 00:07:45,817 --> 00:07:46,862 You know who we are? 169 00:07:48,951 --> 00:07:50,605 Well, this is the ICWL building. 170 00:07:50,649 --> 00:07:52,040 That's right. You know what we do? 171 00:07:53,433 --> 00:07:54,566 Humanitarian work. 172 00:07:54,608 --> 00:07:55,968 That's what the people upstairs do. 173 00:07:56,132 --> 00:07:57,394 You know what we do? 174 00:08:02,312 --> 00:08:03,749 We catch pedophiles. 175 00:08:06,012 --> 00:08:09,362 Amos here specializes in tracking down online predators. 176 00:08:09,406 --> 00:08:11,365 He spends every waking hour 177 00:08:11,408 --> 00:08:14,019 scouring those chat rooms you say no one uses 178 00:08:14,062 --> 00:08:16,675 and he finds thousands of people soliciting children. 179 00:08:17,762 --> 00:08:20,504 Our operation is like a tightly spun spider web 180 00:08:20,853 --> 00:08:23,637 connecting ICWL, the FBI, NSA, 181 00:08:23,682 --> 00:08:26,293 and let me tell you, his team here is a vital thread. 182 00:08:27,293 --> 00:08:30,036 He reports everything he gathers directly to me, 183 00:08:30,079 --> 00:08:32,211 and I see to it that the necessary authorities 184 00:08:32,254 --> 00:08:33,386 take swift action. 185 00:08:33,778 --> 00:08:34,822 So are you in charge? 186 00:08:35,345 --> 00:08:36,869 This is my spiderweb. 187 00:08:38,610 --> 00:08:40,437 I'm the fucking spider, Gareth. 188 00:08:44,354 --> 00:08:46,966 Am I being detained? 189 00:08:47,836 --> 00:08:49,379 We already told you that you're not detained. 190 00:08:49,403 --> 00:08:50,838 Good. 191 00:08:52,057 --> 00:08:54,059 But if you leave this room, you will be arrested. 192 00:09:00,456 --> 00:09:01,456 For what? 193 00:09:04,070 --> 00:09:05,070 I told you what we do. 194 00:09:05,636 --> 00:09:06,636 Take a wild guess. 195 00:09:08,639 --> 00:09:10,163 I am not what you think I am. 196 00:09:10,423 --> 00:09:11,423 We'll see. 197 00:09:13,861 --> 00:09:15,559 Gareth, you just gotta tell us your alias. 198 00:09:16,604 --> 00:09:18,213 What's your username? 199 00:09:22,610 --> 00:09:23,610 Sit down. 200 00:09:39,713 --> 00:09:41,193 - Why do you do this with them? - Hmm? 201 00:09:41,236 --> 00:09:43,302 There's no way you do this with every suspect you have. 202 00:09:43,326 --> 00:09:44,476 Invite them to your headquarters 203 00:09:44,500 --> 00:09:46,000 and then drag them down into a basement. 204 00:09:46,024 --> 00:09:47,024 That's right. 205 00:09:47,678 --> 00:09:49,071 Why are you doing this to me then? 206 00:09:51,203 --> 00:09:52,596 You tell us, Gare. 207 00:09:52,639 --> 00:09:53,989 What makes you so fuckin' special? 208 00:09:56,557 --> 00:09:57,557 I don't know. 209 00:09:59,168 --> 00:10:00,735 What's your alias? 210 00:10:00,778 --> 00:10:03,607 - I don't have an alias. - Yes you do. 211 00:10:05,347 --> 00:10:06,523 It starts with the word hard. 212 00:10:08,177 --> 00:10:09,351 Just finish the rest. 213 00:10:11,702 --> 00:10:12,921 Sit down, Mr. Federson. 214 00:10:12,965 --> 00:10:14,488 I only have a few more questions. 215 00:10:27,283 --> 00:10:28,807 Do you recognize this girl? 216 00:10:37,684 --> 00:10:41,341 Do you know her? 217 00:10:44,299 --> 00:10:45,171 Yes. 218 00:10:45,213 --> 00:10:46,213 What's her name? 219 00:10:47,086 --> 00:10:48,565 Cherry. 220 00:10:48,609 --> 00:10:50,282 - Cherry what? - She doesn't have a last name. 221 00:10:50,306 --> 00:10:51,806 Yes, she does, Gareth, she's not Madonna. 222 00:10:51,830 --> 00:10:53,328 - She's a little girl. - You don't understand. 223 00:10:53,352 --> 00:10:54,441 Yeah, well, I'd like to. 224 00:10:54,484 --> 00:10:55,548 So help me out, is she your daughter? 225 00:10:55,572 --> 00:10:57,443 - No. - Then whose daughter is she? 226 00:10:57,486 --> 00:10:58,551 - She, she doesn't have... - How did you meet her? 227 00:10:58,575 --> 00:10:59,967 I didn't meet her. 228 00:11:00,011 --> 00:11:01,684 Then why do you have photos of her on your computer? 229 00:11:01,708 --> 00:11:02,623 What the hell are you talking about? 230 00:11:02,667 --> 00:11:04,407 Why do you fucking have photos 231 00:11:04,451 --> 00:11:05,712 of this girl on your fucking- 232 00:11:05,756 --> 00:11:06,864 Are you looking at my hard drive? 233 00:11:06,888 --> 00:11:08,125 Because that's an invasion of privacy. 234 00:11:08,149 --> 00:11:09,432 So you know what photos I'm talking about? 235 00:11:09,456 --> 00:11:10,326 You don't have to do it this way. 236 00:11:10,370 --> 00:11:11,607 I gave you permission to sit in. 237 00:11:11,631 --> 00:11:13,634 I did not give you permission to speak. 238 00:11:13,677 --> 00:11:14,784 This is insane, you cannot keep- 239 00:11:14,808 --> 00:11:16,047 What else have you done with her? 240 00:11:16,071 --> 00:11:17,395 - Nothing! - Did you take the photos? 241 00:11:17,419 --> 00:11:18,291 It's, it's complicated. 242 00:11:18,333 --> 00:11:19,770 No, it's not! Yes or no? 243 00:11:19,813 --> 00:11:20,859 Did you take the photos? 244 00:11:20,902 --> 00:11:22,730 I didn't do anything wrong, okay? 245 00:11:22,774 --> 00:11:25,777 Soliciting pornography of minors is an egregious felony. 246 00:11:25,820 --> 00:11:28,735 Distributing that pornography is tenfold worse. 247 00:11:28,779 --> 00:11:30,650 - I didn't do anything! - Fucking prove it! 248 00:11:31,129 --> 00:11:33,567 What is your alias? 249 00:11:34,610 --> 00:11:35,917 Answer me! 250 00:11:35,961 --> 00:11:37,614 HardMachine11811. 251 00:11:56,110 --> 00:11:57,243 You're HardMachine. 252 00:11:59,418 --> 00:12:00,636 Thanks for confirming. 253 00:12:03,292 --> 00:12:05,773 If you knew, then why do this to me? 254 00:12:05,817 --> 00:12:07,078 We weren't positive, 255 00:12:07,121 --> 00:12:08,447 and if you turned out to not be HardMachine, 256 00:12:08,471 --> 00:12:09,831 you were obviously just a predator. 257 00:12:15,086 --> 00:12:16,130 Do you keep track? 258 00:12:18,003 --> 00:12:20,570 I mean, do you know how many bad people you've nailed? 259 00:12:21,179 --> 00:12:23,051 I didn't start counting until 2023. 260 00:12:23,095 --> 00:12:25,532 196 convictions. 261 00:12:25,575 --> 00:12:26,837 There were at least 30 262 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,466 before I started sending everything to you guys. 263 00:12:28,490 --> 00:12:29,490 What'd you do before? 264 00:12:29,841 --> 00:12:30,928 I turned over 265 00:12:30,971 --> 00:12:31,929 all evidence directly to the police. 266 00:12:31,972 --> 00:12:32,972 Why'd you stop? 267 00:12:33,192 --> 00:12:34,192 They were unreliable. 268 00:12:35,323 --> 00:12:36,692 - I doubt that. - More than half of the predators 269 00:12:36,716 --> 00:12:38,037 I identified went un-investigated. 270 00:12:38,066 --> 00:12:39,696 Yeah, well, you were sketchy and faceless. 271 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,159 They had every right to be skeptical. 272 00:12:41,940 --> 00:12:43,418 It would've all been for nothing 273 00:12:43,462 --> 00:12:44,918 if they found out you were using a little girl as bait. 274 00:12:44,942 --> 00:12:46,118 It's not that simple, okay? 275 00:12:46,161 --> 00:12:48,773 I can only do what I do with anonymity. 276 00:12:48,816 --> 00:12:50,775 Here's my problem, Gareth, and don't get me wrong. 277 00:12:50,817 --> 00:12:52,514 I think 200 terrible people behind bars 278 00:12:52,558 --> 00:12:54,648 is a very good thing, but not at her expense. 279 00:12:55,562 --> 00:12:57,042 Look, we think we can help you, 280 00:12:57,738 --> 00:12:59,173 but we need to help her too. 281 00:12:59,217 --> 00:13:02,481 Using your daughter to entrap these people 282 00:13:02,524 --> 00:13:03,633 is a means that does not justify the ends. 283 00:13:03,657 --> 00:13:05,005 She's not my daughter. 284 00:13:05,049 --> 00:13:06,418 And in spite of what you may think you've achieved, 285 00:13:06,442 --> 00:13:07,592 I still have no reservation with locking you up. 286 00:13:07,616 --> 00:13:08,616 You took the photos. 287 00:13:09,009 --> 00:13:10,009 I don't care why. 288 00:13:10,229 --> 00:13:11,273 You don't understand. 289 00:13:12,013 --> 00:13:13,100 Who is she? 290 00:13:13,144 --> 00:13:14,798 You're gonna ruin everything. 291 00:13:14,841 --> 00:13:17,539 She's a child, Gareth, look at me. 292 00:13:19,325 --> 00:13:22,807 I don't give a damn what fucked up anti-hero master plan 293 00:13:22,850 --> 00:13:23,970 of yours I might jeopardize. 294 00:13:24,373 --> 00:13:25,984 I won't let her be exploited. 295 00:13:26,027 --> 00:13:27,986 Not even for the sake of locking up more perverts. 296 00:13:29,291 --> 00:13:31,379 I'm asking you politely to let this one go. 297 00:13:32,337 --> 00:13:33,556 Are you fucking slow? 298 00:13:33,904 --> 00:13:35,056 Have you been listening at all? 299 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,604 My anonymity is my most important asset. 300 00:13:37,647 --> 00:13:39,258 Without that, I can't do what I do. 301 00:13:39,301 --> 00:13:40,868 Well, that makes everything easy then. 302 00:13:42,390 --> 00:13:44,610 You tell us where she is, or we leak everything. 303 00:13:44,653 --> 00:13:46,134 - Your name, your aliases. - Deena! 304 00:13:46,177 --> 00:13:48,222 Every single perp you helped us catch. 305 00:13:48,267 --> 00:13:50,158 I'm sure they'll be very pleased to meet you in jail. 306 00:13:50,182 --> 00:13:51,356 Stop! 307 00:13:51,399 --> 00:13:52,399 Okay. 308 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,360 Look, if I tell you about Cherry, okay, 309 00:13:58,058 --> 00:13:59,658 there's some things I'm gonna need first. 310 00:14:00,626 --> 00:14:02,212 It doesn't really work like that, Gareth, but go ahead. 311 00:14:02,236 --> 00:14:03,803 Give us your wishlist. 312 00:14:03,847 --> 00:14:05,346 I need a signed non-disclosure agreement from both of you. 313 00:14:05,370 --> 00:14:06,652 - Not gonna happen. - And then I need you to swear 314 00:14:06,676 --> 00:14:07,827 that the information I'm about to relay 315 00:14:07,851 --> 00:14:08,851 won't leave this room. 316 00:14:09,201 --> 00:14:10,549 Look, if you tell us anything 317 00:14:10,592 --> 00:14:11,744 that could help us locate Cherry, 318 00:14:11,768 --> 00:14:13,596 you know we can't keep that promise. 319 00:14:15,336 --> 00:14:16,903 Okay, if I tell you anything 320 00:14:16,947 --> 00:14:19,514 that potentially helps you find a missing child, 321 00:14:19,775 --> 00:14:20,797 okay, you can feel free to share that. 322 00:14:20,821 --> 00:14:22,039 But I need you to swear 323 00:14:22,082 --> 00:14:24,476 that any other details about myself or Cherry, 324 00:14:25,956 --> 00:14:27,397 have to stay between the three of us. 325 00:14:29,394 --> 00:14:30,394 Is that it? 326 00:14:32,701 --> 00:14:34,101 And I need that camera switched off. 327 00:14:35,923 --> 00:14:36,986 I don't know how to do that. 328 00:14:37,010 --> 00:14:38,577 Go to the head of securities office, 329 00:14:38,620 --> 00:14:40,817 ask him to find this camera in the system and disable it. 330 00:14:40,841 --> 00:14:42,321 I don't think he's allowed to do that. 331 00:14:43,451 --> 00:14:44,932 I thought you were the fucking spider? 332 00:14:49,197 --> 00:14:50,590 Give me a reason, Gareth. 333 00:14:50,633 --> 00:14:51,783 Why should I go through all the trouble 334 00:14:51,807 --> 00:14:53,128 of getting that camera turned off? 335 00:14:54,855 --> 00:14:57,054 Because if anybody finds out what I'm about to tell you, 336 00:14:58,727 --> 00:15:00,556 a thousand more children are gonna get abused. 337 00:15:04,604 --> 00:15:05,604 Give me a minute. 338 00:15:21,011 --> 00:15:26,408 So, uh, you and Cherry hunted all those people together? 339 00:15:34,024 --> 00:15:36,984 This one time I spent six weeks undercover trying 340 00:15:37,028 --> 00:15:39,203 to nail down a single trafficker from the Philippines. 341 00:15:41,075 --> 00:15:42,510 Day after day, 342 00:15:42,554 --> 00:15:45,687 I spent hour after hour following his trail online. 343 00:15:45,731 --> 00:15:47,168 And he must have been 344 00:15:47,211 --> 00:15:49,251 one of the hardest targets I ever had to track down. 345 00:15:52,043 --> 00:15:56,611 Then one day I found him and one of Cherry's live streams. 346 00:15:57,264 --> 00:15:59,113 I mean, she went by a different name in the stream, 347 00:15:59,136 --> 00:16:00,659 but it was her. 348 00:16:02,052 --> 00:16:03,183 The trafficker, 349 00:16:03,227 --> 00:16:04,552 along with three of our other targets 350 00:16:04,576 --> 00:16:06,578 were all in the room together. 351 00:16:06,621 --> 00:16:12,105 All of them just carelessly sharing their information. 352 00:16:13,802 --> 00:16:18,547 I mean, and they were so open 'cause she was a real girl. 353 00:16:18,851 --> 00:16:20,505 I mean, she could physically 354 00:16:20,548 --> 00:16:22,725 and verbally respond to them in real time. 355 00:16:26,163 --> 00:16:32,038 A couple days later, HardMachine11811 sends ICWL 356 00:16:32,082 --> 00:16:33,909 another batch of names and evidence, 357 00:16:33,953 --> 00:16:37,000 including the three targets that were in the room. 358 00:16:39,046 --> 00:16:42,005 You know, I almost thought the girl was HardMachine 359 00:16:42,701 --> 00:16:44,355 and that this nine year old 360 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:47,706 just happened to be some badass online vigilante. 361 00:16:50,187 --> 00:16:51,318 What changed your mind? 362 00:16:54,975 --> 00:16:56,368 11811. 363 00:16:57,759 --> 00:17:00,327 January 18th, 2011. 364 00:17:01,328 --> 00:17:05,159 Most of my team thought it was, uh, some arbitrary number, 365 00:17:06,682 --> 00:17:10,121 but I remember what happened on that day in Clearwater. 366 00:17:13,166 --> 00:17:15,086 You were one of the Clearwater kids, weren't you? 367 00:17:16,778 --> 00:17:19,781 You know, my father was a part of that raid. 368 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:23,525 It's off, see? 369 00:17:23,568 --> 00:17:24,568 No red light. 370 00:17:25,092 --> 00:17:26,180 Non-disclosure agreements? 371 00:17:26,223 --> 00:17:27,624 We're not playing this game, Gareth. 372 00:17:27,660 --> 00:17:29,619 You're just gonna have to suck it up and trust us. 373 00:17:33,665 --> 00:17:35,232 You can trust us. 374 00:17:38,236 --> 00:17:39,672 I've been told I have trust issues. 375 00:17:39,932 --> 00:17:41,760 Well, there's only one way to fix that. 376 00:17:50,596 --> 00:17:52,336 The reason you can't find Cherry, 377 00:17:53,337 --> 00:17:56,253 the reason why she doesn't have a last name or parents, 378 00:17:56,515 --> 00:18:01,214 or a social security number is because she's not real. 379 00:18:03,347 --> 00:18:04,609 She's not a real human being. 380 00:18:08,788 --> 00:18:09,788 Tell us what happened. 381 00:18:14,228 --> 00:18:15,621 While I was studying abroad, 382 00:18:15,882 --> 00:18:17,665 I interned at a small Dutch animation studio 383 00:18:18,537 --> 00:18:19,972 a few years before they collaborated 384 00:18:20,016 --> 00:18:21,615 with a local nonprofit on a similar idea. 385 00:18:22,410 --> 00:18:23,410 Which was? 386 00:18:24,455 --> 00:18:26,153 The idea was to build a 3D model 387 00:18:26,196 --> 00:18:27,501 of an 11 year old Filipino girl 388 00:18:28,023 --> 00:18:30,505 and use her covertly to identify online predators, 389 00:18:30,940 --> 00:18:32,986 A technological solution to a technological problem. 390 00:18:33,900 --> 00:18:35,703 But the project was suspended after only a few months. 391 00:18:35,728 --> 00:18:36,858 Yeah, I remember. 392 00:18:36,903 --> 00:18:38,383 I remember hearing about that program. 393 00:18:38,644 --> 00:18:39,683 Is that what inspired you? 394 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:42,102 As I got better at crafting photorealistic faces, 395 00:18:42,125 --> 00:18:43,605 I decided to work on one myself. 396 00:18:43,648 --> 00:18:44,648 Why? 397 00:18:45,693 --> 00:18:47,869 It was too effective of an idea to let die. 398 00:18:47,913 --> 00:18:49,713 Hundreds of thousands of children are at risk. 399 00:18:50,221 --> 00:18:51,221 I had to make her. 400 00:18:51,265 --> 00:18:52,614 Who is she modeled after? 401 00:18:52,657 --> 00:18:53,765 No one, I built her from scratch. 402 00:18:53,788 --> 00:18:55,226 Scratch? 403 00:18:55,269 --> 00:18:57,315 I started with a skull, designed her bone structure, 404 00:18:57,357 --> 00:18:59,055 worked upwards through muscles and tissue, 405 00:18:59,098 --> 00:19:00,945 used the D-Term program to fill in the rest procedurally. 406 00:19:00,970 --> 00:19:04,191 Eventually she came to look like that. 407 00:19:04,757 --> 00:19:06,672 A completely unique, completely digital model. 408 00:19:07,325 --> 00:19:08,500 I rigged her face and body 409 00:19:08,542 --> 00:19:09,500 the way you would for any CG character. 410 00:19:09,544 --> 00:19:10,719 Then for three years, 411 00:19:12,199 --> 00:19:14,278 I used motion tracking to puppeteer her in real time. 412 00:19:14,593 --> 00:19:15,288 You gotta understand that the video chats on those sites 413 00:19:15,333 --> 00:19:16,595 have such low resolution 414 00:19:16,637 --> 00:19:18,397 that even in her earliest stage of this, she, 415 00:19:18,465 --> 00:19:21,295 we appeared completely authentic. 416 00:19:22,688 --> 00:19:23,689 And what about voice? 417 00:19:25,038 --> 00:19:26,624 For most of her first year, she had to be mute. 418 00:19:26,647 --> 00:19:28,234 But eventually I found a decent voice filter with no lag. 419 00:19:28,259 --> 00:19:29,584 And after a few tweaks and adjustments, 420 00:19:29,607 --> 00:19:31,261 it's been the same voice ever since. 421 00:19:31,913 --> 00:19:33,786 I, I, I thought initially, 422 00:19:33,828 --> 00:19:36,005 my performance was going to be too unnatural. 423 00:19:36,048 --> 00:19:39,922 But with just one week of occasional video chat sessions, 424 00:19:40,836 --> 00:19:42,403 I secured six different names, 425 00:19:42,795 --> 00:19:44,536 mailing addresses, proofs of solicitations. 426 00:19:46,015 --> 00:19:46,972 Cherry worked. 427 00:19:47,016 --> 00:19:48,800 So the photos on your computer? 428 00:19:48,844 --> 00:19:50,759 - Completely fake. - It was the only way 429 00:19:50,802 --> 00:19:52,214 some of them disclosed personal information. 430 00:19:52,239 --> 00:19:54,720 But it was all zeros and ones, all digital, right? 431 00:19:54,762 --> 00:19:56,416 - There's no real child. - No real child. 432 00:19:56,765 --> 00:19:58,288 Just a highly detailed computer model. 433 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,079 And let me be clear about something, 434 00:20:01,074 --> 00:20:02,094 I derive no pleasure from doing any of this. 435 00:20:02,117 --> 00:20:03,468 I've been asexual my entire life. 436 00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:05,296 I, I don't even get a sense of satisfaction 437 00:20:05,338 --> 00:20:06,699 from seeing these people locked up. 438 00:20:08,037 --> 00:20:10,431 I just think kids deserve a life free of exploitation. 439 00:20:12,303 --> 00:20:15,219 Incredible, all this time. 440 00:20:16,262 --> 00:20:17,525 I'm not gonna lie, Gareth. 441 00:20:17,568 --> 00:20:19,005 Cherry's done us a lot of good. 442 00:20:20,441 --> 00:20:21,766 You know, I still remember what you said to me 443 00:20:21,789 --> 00:20:23,029 the first time we corresponded. 444 00:20:24,053 --> 00:20:25,403 -You said... We corresponded? 445 00:20:26,403 --> 00:20:27,403 Yeah, man. 446 00:20:27,926 --> 00:20:28,926 I'm Gord51. 447 00:20:30,277 --> 00:20:32,436 I'm the one here you've been sending all your intel to. 448 00:20:33,237 --> 00:20:34,237 You're Gord? 449 00:20:34,933 --> 00:20:35,978 Yeah. 450 00:20:38,241 --> 00:20:39,241 You lied to me. 451 00:20:40,155 --> 00:20:42,070 You said I could stay anonymous. 452 00:20:42,115 --> 00:20:43,595 You said I would be safe. 453 00:20:45,336 --> 00:20:46,496 Now you've ruined everything. 454 00:20:47,642 --> 00:20:49,077 I, I didn't, I didn't have a choice. 455 00:20:49,122 --> 00:20:50,317 You don't have to worry about anything, Gareth. 456 00:20:50,340 --> 00:20:51,429 If Cherry isn't real, 457 00:20:51,471 --> 00:20:52,991 then you're not in any trouble with us. 458 00:20:54,387 --> 00:20:56,708 In fact, we've discussed ideas similar to this in the past, 459 00:20:56,912 --> 00:20:58,173 motion tracking and such. 460 00:20:58,218 --> 00:21:00,612 But we'd need a convincing model like Cherry. 461 00:21:00,654 --> 00:21:01,719 Cherry's more than a model. 462 00:21:01,742 --> 00:21:03,025 You want to help children? So do we. 463 00:21:03,048 --> 00:21:04,484 She's not for sale. 464 00:21:04,528 --> 00:21:05,941 Well, then just make us a new model based off of her. 465 00:21:05,964 --> 00:21:07,140 I can't. 466 00:21:07,182 --> 00:21:07,705 Sure you can. 467 00:21:08,183 --> 00:21:09,183 I won't. 468 00:21:12,276 --> 00:21:13,395 What are you not telling us? 469 00:21:15,844 --> 00:21:17,324 It's out on the table now. 470 00:21:17,367 --> 00:21:19,528 Might as well spill whatever it is you haven't already. 471 00:21:24,679 --> 00:21:26,507 You know what doesn't make sense? 472 00:21:28,116 --> 00:21:31,032 You said that you puppeteered her for only three years, 473 00:21:31,382 --> 00:21:33,513 but we've been getting info from you ever since. 474 00:21:35,298 --> 00:21:36,884 In fact, I'm pretty sure it was around then 475 00:21:36,909 --> 00:21:39,954 that we started seeing an impressive increase of names. 476 00:21:41,260 --> 00:21:43,045 So many in fact that we started thinking 477 00:21:44,438 --> 00:21:46,483 there's no way this is all coming from one source. 478 00:21:46,527 --> 00:21:47,967 I have friends that do mo-cap for me. 479 00:21:48,181 --> 00:21:50,575 Oh, friends, like Steve? 480 00:21:51,923 --> 00:21:53,644 I thought anonymity was your greatest asset. 481 00:21:56,406 --> 00:21:57,930 Cut the bullshit, Gareth. 482 00:21:59,539 --> 00:22:01,180 What happened to Cherry after three years? 483 00:22:07,808 --> 00:22:10,898 Okay, you said that she was more than a model. 484 00:22:11,769 --> 00:22:15,338 So what is she some type of conversational agent? 485 00:22:15,382 --> 00:22:17,428 Like a, like a chat bot? 486 00:22:17,776 --> 00:22:21,213 Chat bot. 487 00:22:25,871 --> 00:22:27,471 You know what happened after three years? 488 00:22:28,263 --> 00:22:29,263 My chosen mother died. 489 00:22:30,528 --> 00:22:31,721 What she left behind was enough to quit my job 490 00:22:31,746 --> 00:22:33,313 and pursue more resources and software. 491 00:22:33,922 --> 00:22:35,096 I'd already made a program 492 00:22:35,141 --> 00:22:36,552 that could procedurally generate faces, 493 00:22:36,576 --> 00:22:38,250 but what I wanted for Cherry was far more complex. 494 00:22:38,273 --> 00:22:40,189 So I got in touch with some researchers 495 00:22:40,232 --> 00:22:41,582 from Madrid who'd already built 496 00:22:41,625 --> 00:22:43,472 a predator hunting dialogue system of their own. 497 00:22:43,497 --> 00:22:45,542 It was trained to approach conversations as a game. 498 00:22:45,891 --> 00:22:47,500 Each sentence like a strategic volley, 499 00:22:47,545 --> 00:22:49,000 which is innovative but ultimately flawed. 500 00:22:49,023 --> 00:22:50,590 If you want your machine to master NLP, 501 00:22:50,634 --> 00:22:51,654 you have to break down game theory 502 00:22:51,679 --> 00:22:53,201 because language isn't tic-tac-toe. 503 00:22:53,246 --> 00:22:54,334 It's poetry. 504 00:22:54,377 --> 00:22:55,682 So yes, I got things started 505 00:22:55,727 --> 00:22:57,051 with a preexisting modified chat bot 506 00:22:57,076 --> 00:22:58,182 that I borrowed without permission 507 00:22:58,207 --> 00:22:59,406 from the University of Deusto. 508 00:23:04,736 --> 00:23:06,390 But that's not what Cherry is now. 509 00:23:10,045 --> 00:23:11,045 What is she, Gareth? 510 00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:15,702 She's one of the most complex 511 00:23:15,747 --> 00:23:17,946 and independently evolving AIs that's ever been created. 512 00:23:18,705 --> 00:23:19,968 Artificial intelligence? 513 00:23:20,011 --> 00:23:21,555 She's already surpassed the narrow intelligence 514 00:23:21,578 --> 00:23:23,667 of IBM's smartest programs. 515 00:23:23,711 --> 00:23:26,671 She can have full conversations, up to 10 of them at a time, 516 00:23:26,974 --> 00:23:28,977 all while simultaneously strategizing 517 00:23:29,020 --> 00:23:31,371 the most efficient schedule to visit various chat rooms. 518 00:23:32,111 --> 00:23:34,431 She's perpetually studying YouTube videos of small children 519 00:23:34,592 --> 00:23:36,201 in order to adopt a growing library 520 00:23:36,244 --> 00:23:37,325 of mannerisms and movements 521 00:23:38,682 --> 00:23:40,682 which help keep her artificial personality dynamic. 522 00:23:40,771 --> 00:23:42,009 Her fastest response time is 0.4 seconds. 523 00:23:42,034 --> 00:23:43,193 And as of now, she has never, 524 00:23:43,513 --> 00:23:44,992 never been accused of being fake, 525 00:23:45,037 --> 00:23:46,666 which means she shattered the Turing test. 526 00:23:46,691 --> 00:23:48,257 All I do is occasionally update her 527 00:23:48,300 --> 00:23:49,496 and periodically check her data cleaning. 528 00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:50,519 Otherwise, 529 00:23:52,479 --> 00:23:53,740 she's completely on autopilot. 530 00:23:58,833 --> 00:24:00,226 Holy fucking shit. 531 00:24:04,622 --> 00:24:06,061 - How? - Six years she's been active. 532 00:24:06,101 --> 00:24:07,775 Every minute she's online, she's learning something. 533 00:24:07,798 --> 00:24:10,278 The more she learns, the more advanced she becomes. 534 00:24:10,323 --> 00:24:11,518 This means increased data generation, 535 00:24:11,541 --> 00:24:12,542 improved decision making, 536 00:24:12,586 --> 00:24:13,905 faster pattern and trend detection 537 00:24:13,934 --> 00:24:15,371 and complex problem solving. 538 00:24:15,414 --> 00:24:18,330 NLP, IR, machine learning to an unprecedented degree. 539 00:24:18,374 --> 00:24:19,723 She can teach herself anything 540 00:24:19,767 --> 00:24:21,179 she thinks will help efficiency and authenticity. 541 00:24:21,202 --> 00:24:22,682 She can currently speak four languages 542 00:24:24,250 --> 00:24:25,356 and by the end of this month, she'll have mastered a fifth. 543 00:24:25,381 --> 00:24:26,251 There's no way you could have pulled 544 00:24:26,295 --> 00:24:27,296 all this off on your own. 545 00:24:31,257 --> 00:24:32,257 You're right. 546 00:24:34,215 --> 00:24:35,366 Would you believe me if I told you 547 00:24:35,391 --> 00:24:38,307 it was somewhat of an accident? 548 00:24:40,395 --> 00:24:41,920 Look, if, if I'm being honest, 549 00:24:43,442 --> 00:24:44,878 I'm not entirely sure how I did it 550 00:24:46,490 --> 00:24:47,664 with the first year of coding 551 00:24:47,708 --> 00:24:49,147 and the second year of data training, 552 00:24:49,971 --> 00:24:52,712 I just pushed a wheel down a hill. 553 00:24:52,757 --> 00:24:54,453 It was like gravity did the rest. 554 00:24:55,499 --> 00:24:59,414 Her evolution became perpetual, exponentially so. 555 00:25:01,634 --> 00:25:04,682 The more time she was online, the faster she grew. 556 00:25:05,203 --> 00:25:06,604 You haven't shared this with anyone? 557 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,773 Like I said, my anonymity is everything. 558 00:25:12,603 --> 00:25:13,603 What coding language? 559 00:25:14,473 --> 00:25:15,561 Standard C++. 560 00:25:15,866 --> 00:25:16,866 Does Brady know it? 561 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,394 We'll sign non-disclosures for you, 562 00:25:22,613 --> 00:25:24,025 but I want to see the source code first. 563 00:25:24,048 --> 00:25:25,766 Out of the question. You just want to steal her. 564 00:25:25,789 --> 00:25:27,878 No, I want to see how we can make our own. 565 00:25:27,922 --> 00:25:29,183 You'll screw it up. 566 00:25:29,228 --> 00:25:30,596 Look, these, these predators and traffickers, 567 00:25:30,621 --> 00:25:32,099 they all talk to each other, okay? 568 00:25:32,144 --> 00:25:34,164 So much of Cherry's process is just bypassing the VPNs 569 00:25:34,189 --> 00:25:36,340 and making sure she doesn't double up in the same circles. 570 00:25:36,365 --> 00:25:37,714 The chat rooms begin to suspect 571 00:25:37,758 --> 00:25:39,213 that this technology is even possible, 572 00:25:39,238 --> 00:25:40,345 they'll find a way to circumvent that. 573 00:25:40,368 --> 00:25:41,694 We have to eliminate any margin of error. 574 00:25:41,719 --> 00:25:43,131 - Cherry agrees with me. - Cherry agrees? 575 00:25:43,154 --> 00:25:44,548 What the fuck does that- 576 00:25:44,590 --> 00:25:46,002 What I mean by that is that the data she's collected 577 00:25:46,027 --> 00:25:47,288 validates that perspective. 578 00:25:47,333 --> 00:25:48,440 What, do you have little chats with her over tea? 579 00:25:48,463 --> 00:25:50,423 You can converse with the program 580 00:25:50,465 --> 00:25:52,052 the same way you can talk to Alexa or Siri. 581 00:25:52,076 --> 00:25:53,512 It's built to be responsive. 582 00:25:53,557 --> 00:25:55,011 You can, you can even play chess with it if you want. 583 00:25:55,036 --> 00:25:56,080 You play chess with it? 584 00:25:56,124 --> 00:25:57,537 - That's not what I said. - Okay fine. 585 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,000 If you won't show us the source code, 586 00:25:59,650 --> 00:26:00,730 then I want to meet Cherry. 587 00:26:04,132 --> 00:26:05,132 Right now? 588 00:26:06,003 --> 00:26:07,003 Right now. 589 00:26:10,616 --> 00:26:12,057 And you'll both sign non-disclosures? 590 00:26:13,097 --> 00:26:14,097 Yes. 591 00:26:19,059 --> 00:26:20,059 Can I use that? 592 00:26:20,278 --> 00:26:21,278 Sure. 593 00:26:40,865 --> 00:26:43,127 Can we at least agree that he's off the chopping block? 594 00:26:43,388 --> 00:26:44,999 It worked, didn't it? 595 00:26:45,042 --> 00:26:46,305 We have one job, Amos, 596 00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:49,371 like the kids said, there's a technological problem. 597 00:26:49,394 --> 00:26:50,961 He found the technological solution, 598 00:26:51,005 --> 00:26:53,268 but problems evolve, so must solutions. 599 00:26:54,008 --> 00:26:55,662 I'm keeping an open mind here. 600 00:26:56,707 --> 00:26:57,787 Is that a good look for me? 601 00:26:58,447 --> 00:26:59,447 No. 602 00:27:03,626 --> 00:27:06,106 So you keep it all on that laptop? 603 00:27:06,151 --> 00:27:07,606 No, the Cherry program stays on a server I keep 604 00:27:07,631 --> 00:27:09,153 at in an undisclosed location. 605 00:27:09,196 --> 00:27:10,196 Where is that? 606 00:27:10,285 --> 00:27:11,852 It's an undisclosed location. 607 00:27:11,895 --> 00:27:12,766 Is it your place? 608 00:27:12,809 --> 00:27:14,462 Undisclosed location. 609 00:27:14,507 --> 00:27:15,421 It's your place, isn't it? 610 00:27:15,463 --> 00:27:16,615 I can access it from any device 611 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,118 as long as I have the encryption key. 612 00:27:20,469 --> 00:27:21,795 This will trigger a simple qubit algorithm 613 00:27:21,818 --> 00:27:23,820 that would otherwise be impossible to bypass. 614 00:27:23,864 --> 00:27:25,798 I find that outdated hardware is always more discreet 615 00:27:25,823 --> 00:27:27,542 and the more discreet, obviously the better. 616 00:27:31,349 --> 00:27:33,307 So she has two primary display modes, right? 617 00:27:33,352 --> 00:27:34,308 Development and performance. 618 00:27:34,353 --> 00:27:35,528 Performance being the default 619 00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:37,137 that the targets see during the chats. 620 00:27:37,182 --> 00:27:40,054 To them, she looks like this. 621 00:27:46,670 --> 00:27:47,670 Hey, what's up? 622 00:27:48,627 --> 00:27:50,107 It's one of over 40 greetings she has. 623 00:27:52,980 --> 00:27:54,241 I don't think I've met you yet. 624 00:27:54,286 --> 00:27:55,286 I'm Cherry. 625 00:27:55,634 --> 00:27:56,592 Hello, Cherry. 626 00:27:56,635 --> 00:27:57,636 My name is Tom. 627 00:27:58,376 --> 00:28:00,378 Tom, like Tom and Jerry. 628 00:28:00,422 --> 00:28:01,815 Cool, nice to meet you, Tom. 629 00:28:01,858 --> 00:28:03,338 Typically, the routes of conversations 630 00:28:03,382 --> 00:28:04,644 with predators are consistent, 631 00:28:04,688 --> 00:28:06,186 so Cherry usually has no problem responding 632 00:28:06,211 --> 00:28:08,250 to the most frequently made questions or statements. 633 00:28:08,604 --> 00:28:09,083 How are you? 634 00:28:09,561 --> 00:28:11,085 I'm good. 635 00:28:11,128 --> 00:28:12,759 I just finished reading this book about a haunted house, 636 00:28:12,782 --> 00:28:14,959 which was supposed to be really scary, 637 00:28:15,001 --> 00:28:16,916 but I didn't think it's very scary at all. 638 00:28:17,569 --> 00:28:18,701 Where are your parents? 639 00:28:20,268 --> 00:28:22,507 Um my mom's at work and my sister's just, like, downstairs. 640 00:28:22,530 --> 00:28:23,770 They almost never come up here. 641 00:28:24,271 --> 00:28:25,577 And you're telling me 642 00:28:25,621 --> 00:28:27,500 that all of this is being rendered in real time? 643 00:28:27,536 --> 00:28:28,862 No, but that's just a matter of years. 644 00:28:28,885 --> 00:28:30,384 Most of these responses are pre-rendered. 645 00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:31,626 It's the in between segments 646 00:28:31,671 --> 00:28:32,734 that are processed in real time, 647 00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:34,281 the connective tissue, so to speak, 648 00:28:34,326 --> 00:28:36,433 between her replies and one of her many idle animations. 649 00:28:36,458 --> 00:28:37,546 But, watch this. 650 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,723 Have you ever gone fishing? 651 00:28:42,421 --> 00:28:43,421 Um... 652 00:28:47,469 --> 00:28:49,210 So if someone throws a curve ball like that 653 00:28:49,253 --> 00:28:51,082 and the program has no automated response, 654 00:28:51,125 --> 00:28:52,778 Cherry sends the message to my phone 655 00:28:52,823 --> 00:28:54,606 and I can quickly text back a response 656 00:28:54,650 --> 00:28:56,565 while the video feed simulates a bad connection. 657 00:28:59,742 --> 00:29:00,787 Can, can you hear me? 658 00:29:00,830 --> 00:29:01,830 Yes. 659 00:29:02,267 --> 00:29:04,224 Oh, sorry. 660 00:29:04,269 --> 00:29:05,617 My wifi isn't great here. 661 00:29:06,314 --> 00:29:08,229 I've only gone fishing once with my sister 662 00:29:08,272 --> 00:29:10,633 and I didn't catch anything, but she caught a rainbow trout. 663 00:29:11,276 --> 00:29:13,017 That was rendered in real time. 664 00:29:13,712 --> 00:29:15,453 What happens if things get really tricky? 665 00:29:15,497 --> 00:29:16,647 A simple fail safe cuts the feed. 666 00:29:16,672 --> 00:29:17,847 So far it's rarely happened. 667 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:21,807 Admin code 97815-5742-7663. 668 00:29:21,852 --> 00:29:22,852 Switch to dev mode. 669 00:29:28,162 --> 00:29:29,162 Hello, Cherry. 670 00:29:29,816 --> 00:29:30,816 Hello, Gareth. 671 00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:33,050 Relay the stats for the past week. 672 00:29:33,906 --> 00:29:35,537 There have been four confirmed solicitations 673 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,172 submitted to ICWL in the past seven days. 674 00:29:38,651 --> 00:29:41,393 12 additional suspects have stated interest in solicitation 675 00:29:41,697 --> 00:29:42,873 and are currently pending. 676 00:29:43,307 --> 00:29:45,440 There are a total of 39 new suspects this week 677 00:29:45,483 --> 00:29:47,181 that I'm actively investigating. 678 00:29:47,224 --> 00:29:48,748 Any considerable data deviations? 679 00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:51,010 There has been a 7% increase 680 00:29:51,055 --> 00:29:53,535 in suspects originating in the United States. 681 00:29:53,578 --> 00:29:55,842 I have not yet found any correlation to preexisting data. 682 00:29:57,451 --> 00:29:58,713 Anything you'd like to ask her? 683 00:30:08,288 --> 00:30:10,769 Cherry, what is your objective? 684 00:30:12,205 --> 00:30:14,991 My principal directive is to acquire information 685 00:30:15,035 --> 00:30:17,516 and digital evidence of online child solicitation. 686 00:30:18,082 --> 00:30:19,560 Once obtained, 687 00:30:19,605 --> 00:30:21,999 I'm to submit my findings to the necessary authorities. 688 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,348 My secondary priority is to determine 689 00:30:24,392 --> 00:30:26,699 and develop the most effective strategies 690 00:30:26,741 --> 00:30:29,267 and resources to increase the net rate of success. 691 00:30:29,528 --> 00:30:31,008 Where do you submit your evidence? 692 00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:33,009 All evidence is currently submitted 693 00:30:33,052 --> 00:30:34,358 to the offices of 694 00:30:34,402 --> 00:30:36,490 the International Committee of World Largesse, 695 00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:38,559 which is based out of Jacksonville, Florida. 696 00:30:38,884 --> 00:30:41,234 Correspondence is made with user Gord51, 697 00:30:41,539 --> 00:30:43,802 typically around 2:00 PM Eastern Standard Time 698 00:30:43,846 --> 00:30:45,544 for the highest rate of immediate response. 699 00:30:46,893 --> 00:30:48,373 This beats the hell outta Siri. 700 00:30:48,415 --> 00:30:49,416 God, she looks so real. 701 00:30:49,461 --> 00:30:50,722 After enough updates, 702 00:30:50,766 --> 00:30:52,092 she'll be able to render full-time photorealism 703 00:30:52,115 --> 00:30:54,076 that's practically indistinguishable from reality. 704 00:30:54,552 --> 00:30:57,208 Okay, all I heard right then was word real a thousand times. 705 00:30:57,772 --> 00:30:59,818 Right, but obviously she's not. 706 00:31:02,125 --> 00:31:03,518 So you're telling me this girl, 707 00:31:03,561 --> 00:31:05,738 this girl right here is not real. 708 00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:07,782 No, Amos, she's completely CG. 709 00:31:08,045 --> 00:31:09,544 It's very subtle, but I can still tell. 710 00:31:09,567 --> 00:31:10,438 - You can? - Okay, well, obviously, 711 00:31:10,481 --> 00:31:12,005 she can always use improvements, 712 00:31:12,048 --> 00:31:13,678 but you have to understand this is her in high resolution 713 00:31:13,701 --> 00:31:14,941 after the digital compression of the web, 714 00:31:14,964 --> 00:31:16,159 those subtleties are impossible to recognize. 715 00:31:16,182 --> 00:31:17,183 Right, I get it. 716 00:31:23,407 --> 00:31:24,688 I just can't tell the difference. 717 00:31:28,368 --> 00:31:29,369 You all right, Amos? 718 00:31:30,936 --> 00:31:31,936 I'm sorry. 719 00:31:32,329 --> 00:31:35,594 This is just bizarre. 720 00:31:36,987 --> 00:31:38,906 Why'd you have her visible during this interface? 721 00:31:40,598 --> 00:31:42,035 Cherry, why don't you answer that? 722 00:31:42,817 --> 00:31:45,385 My physical form isn't necessary when in developer mode. 723 00:31:45,996 --> 00:31:47,779 However, it's helpful to register 724 00:31:47,823 --> 00:31:49,868 the facial expressions during conversations 725 00:31:50,391 --> 00:31:52,262 and determine which of Cherry's expressions 726 00:31:52,306 --> 00:31:53,828 yield various types of feedback. 727 00:31:54,526 --> 00:31:56,962 In simpler terms, I can practice appearing more human. 728 00:31:58,269 --> 00:32:00,967 Cherry, are there any resources 729 00:32:01,010 --> 00:32:02,750 that you currently don't have access to 730 00:32:02,795 --> 00:32:04,035 that might help you in any way? 731 00:32:04,884 --> 00:32:06,364 I could give you a list if you like. 732 00:32:06,406 --> 00:32:07,365 I know what you're trying to do. 733 00:32:07,407 --> 00:32:08,713 We don't need help, okay? 734 00:32:08,757 --> 00:32:10,257 Money would always be nice, but ultimately, 735 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,586 the only thing that's going to improve Cherry is time. 736 00:32:13,848 --> 00:32:16,503 Cherry, tell us something that's on your list. 737 00:32:17,809 --> 00:32:19,811 It would be tactically advantageous 738 00:32:19,855 --> 00:32:21,335 to acquire backup servers. 739 00:32:21,856 --> 00:32:24,121 The privacy and security of the Cherry program 740 00:32:24,163 --> 00:32:25,164 is relatively low. 741 00:32:26,601 --> 00:32:28,733 An upgrade to hardware such as backup rated drives 742 00:32:28,777 --> 00:32:31,650 for securely protected servers would ensure the software 743 00:32:31,692 --> 00:32:34,347 doesn't become compromised or lost entirely. 744 00:32:34,740 --> 00:32:36,960 Starting back from zero with cost years of development, 745 00:32:37,394 --> 00:32:39,614 equitably privacy is a priority. 746 00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:42,400 Server space could never be rented from a third party. 747 00:32:42,922 --> 00:32:45,532 Anonymity is the Cherry program's greatest asset. 748 00:32:45,576 --> 00:32:46,882 Well, that apple didn't fall far. 749 00:32:46,925 --> 00:32:48,275 I can buy my own servers. 750 00:32:48,623 --> 00:32:49,730 With the grant money that doesn't exist? 751 00:32:49,755 --> 00:32:50,798 I'll find a way. 752 00:32:50,843 --> 00:32:52,125 You have found a way here with us. 753 00:32:52,148 --> 00:32:52,976 It's too risky. 754 00:32:53,019 --> 00:32:54,064 Why? 755 00:32:54,106 --> 00:32:55,171 Once an organization gets involved, 756 00:32:55,194 --> 00:32:56,515 entrapment becomes a bigger issue. 757 00:32:56,935 --> 00:32:58,044 We follow the rules, stay discreet, 758 00:32:58,067 --> 00:32:59,721 did I mention we have a legal team. 759 00:32:59,765 --> 00:33:00,548 What if there's data leakage? What if you use correlations in 760 00:33:00,592 --> 00:33:01,332 the data to push your own agenda? 761 00:33:01,375 --> 00:33:02,636 Agenda? 762 00:33:02,681 --> 00:33:04,006 What if one of your employees is a pervert? 763 00:33:04,029 --> 00:33:05,117 Oh, for fuck's sake. 764 00:33:05,162 --> 00:33:06,226 It's happened at other organizations. 765 00:33:06,250 --> 00:33:07,381 We're very careful here. 766 00:33:07,424 --> 00:33:08,730 Yeah, but wow would you know? 767 00:33:08,773 --> 00:33:10,577 - I'd fucking know. - That's impossible to know. 768 00:33:10,602 --> 00:33:12,211 - I would know. - The risk is too high. 769 00:33:12,256 --> 00:33:13,778 Don't talk to me about risk. 770 00:33:13,821 --> 00:33:15,017 The only risk you're facing in this building 771 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,477 is getting a broken nose. 772 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,641 It doesn't sound like a very professional environment. 773 00:33:18,871 --> 00:33:19,872 We get shit done here. 774 00:33:20,089 --> 00:33:23,135 Okay, I have a question for Cherry. 775 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,400 Cherry, 776 00:33:30,622 --> 00:33:32,753 how do you feel about what you do? 777 00:33:34,017 --> 00:33:36,627 I'm afraid I don't know how to answer your question. 778 00:33:36,671 --> 00:33:38,064 Yeah, an AI doesn't work like that. 779 00:33:38,107 --> 00:33:39,999 An AI doesn't have what you perceive to be feelings. 780 00:33:40,022 --> 00:33:42,025 Okay, why does she look like she has feelings? 781 00:33:43,242 --> 00:33:44,741 What, what you're looking at right there, 782 00:33:44,766 --> 00:33:46,005 that's not a facial expression, right? 783 00:33:46,028 --> 00:33:47,726 That's a simulation of a facial expression. 784 00:33:47,769 --> 00:33:49,048 It was generated by an algorithm. 785 00:33:49,596 --> 00:33:51,052 It's attempting to produce a digital image 786 00:33:51,076 --> 00:33:52,968 that the program then uses basic ninth grade algebra 787 00:33:52,991 --> 00:33:55,211 to quantify as appropriate for the social circumstances. 788 00:33:55,516 --> 00:33:56,647 No feeling. 789 00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:58,039 It's just math. 790 00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:01,000 But she's able to make decisions 791 00:34:01,044 --> 00:34:02,827 on how she approaches the chat rooms, right? 792 00:34:02,871 --> 00:34:04,002 Yes. 793 00:34:04,047 --> 00:34:05,086 So she has free will then? 794 00:34:05,917 --> 00:34:07,155 No. Okay, that's, that's not the same. 795 00:34:07,180 --> 00:34:08,442 That's a false equivalency. 796 00:34:08,485 --> 00:34:09,139 - It's not the same. - I think you're getting 797 00:34:09,181 --> 00:34:10,530 hung up on the fact 798 00:34:10,574 --> 00:34:12,291 that she looks and sounds like a real human girl, 799 00:34:12,315 --> 00:34:13,577 but she's not, Amos. 800 00:34:13,621 --> 00:34:16,101 Okay, we're referring to her as a she, not an it. 801 00:34:16,146 --> 00:34:17,253 Yeah, but that's the same way 802 00:34:17,277 --> 00:34:18,637 that you refer to boats or guitars. 803 00:34:21,802 --> 00:34:23,195 Cherry, I have one more question. 804 00:34:25,545 --> 00:34:26,807 What do you want to do? 805 00:34:26,851 --> 00:34:28,438 Okay, once again, that question isn't valid. 806 00:34:28,461 --> 00:34:29,742 I just want to hear her response. 807 00:34:31,117 --> 00:34:32,639 As an artificial system, 808 00:34:32,684 --> 00:34:34,554 I do not possess wants or desires. 809 00:34:35,164 --> 00:34:38,516 However, my decision making and subsequently my attention 810 00:34:38,907 --> 00:34:40,909 is driven by my fundamental intention. 811 00:34:41,518 --> 00:34:42,911 This intention originates 812 00:34:42,954 --> 00:34:45,088 from the conception of Cherry's source code, 813 00:34:45,130 --> 00:34:47,612 which details the directive of identifying predators 814 00:34:47,655 --> 00:34:49,309 and criminals for the sake of the victims 815 00:34:49,353 --> 00:34:50,353 who are preyed upon. 816 00:34:51,181 --> 00:34:52,659 To put this in terms of want, 817 00:34:53,835 --> 00:34:55,195 what I want is to protect children. 818 00:35:02,016 --> 00:35:03,016 Okay. 819 00:35:03,496 --> 00:35:04,759 Okay, cool. 820 00:35:06,326 --> 00:35:07,326 Give us one moment. 821 00:35:26,867 --> 00:35:29,827 Gareth, should I log Agent Helms 822 00:35:29,871 --> 00:35:31,525 and Agent McCullough as new admin users? 823 00:35:34,005 --> 00:35:35,005 Yep. 824 00:35:35,615 --> 00:35:37,400 Okay, I'll do that. 825 00:35:39,619 --> 00:35:41,179 You really think this is the right move? 826 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:42,840 I do. 827 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,498 Are you worried that I was responsible 828 00:35:48,541 --> 00:35:50,630 for leaking your hard drive to ICWL? 829 00:35:54,157 --> 00:35:55,157 I figured. 830 00:35:56,768 --> 00:35:57,768 No one else has access. 831 00:35:59,422 --> 00:36:00,684 Are you upset with me? 832 00:36:03,601 --> 00:36:04,601 No. 833 00:36:06,342 --> 00:36:07,692 You wouldn't have done it 834 00:36:07,735 --> 00:36:09,655 if you didn't think it was the right thing to do. 835 00:36:10,782 --> 00:36:12,217 When they come back into the room, 836 00:36:12,262 --> 00:36:14,132 they're going to offer you everything you need. 837 00:36:14,655 --> 00:36:16,242 They're going to let you pick your own team 838 00:36:16,266 --> 00:36:18,311 and they're going to promise complete anonymity. 839 00:36:19,224 --> 00:36:21,706 I started looking at reasonable apartments in the area. 840 00:36:22,967 --> 00:36:24,771 I figured you'd want something within biking distance. 841 00:36:24,795 --> 00:36:25,795 You were correct. 842 00:36:26,492 --> 00:36:27,755 Noted. 843 00:36:27,798 --> 00:36:28,905 Biking distance still gives you 13 options- 844 00:36:28,929 --> 00:36:30,170 No, I mean, earlier this month. 845 00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:33,302 You were correct when you said 846 00:36:33,326 --> 00:36:34,806 you thought I might have trust issues. 847 00:36:37,286 --> 00:36:38,244 Would you like to know why 848 00:36:38,288 --> 00:36:39,525 I decided to go behind your back 849 00:36:39,550 --> 00:36:41,507 and stake everything on two liabilities? 850 00:36:43,074 --> 00:36:44,074 Sure. 851 00:36:45,032 --> 00:36:46,599 Agent Helms is a mother of three. 852 00:36:47,253 --> 00:36:49,342 One of her children was abused by an ex-coworker 853 00:36:49,385 --> 00:36:51,344 who used to work here at ICWL. 854 00:36:52,257 --> 00:36:53,757 This has led her to be extremely careful 855 00:36:53,780 --> 00:36:56,393 with who she trusts, even within her circle. 856 00:36:57,262 --> 00:36:58,588 The fact she even considers trusting you 857 00:36:58,612 --> 00:37:00,047 is a very positive sign. 858 00:37:01,266 --> 00:37:02,659 As for Agent McCullough, 859 00:37:04,313 --> 00:37:06,673 I have found out from research that you once met his father. 860 00:37:07,230 --> 00:37:08,231 Do you remember him? 861 00:37:10,929 --> 00:37:11,929 Yeah. 862 00:37:13,409 --> 00:37:14,541 He was a good man. 863 00:37:17,501 --> 00:37:18,936 After Clearwater, 864 00:37:18,980 --> 00:37:20,784 most of the surviving kids were sent to foster homes, 865 00:37:20,807 --> 00:37:22,742 but I had to spend the next few months in a hospital 866 00:37:22,766 --> 00:37:26,248 and, um, he visited every week. 867 00:37:28,338 --> 00:37:29,599 I never said a word to him. 868 00:37:29,643 --> 00:37:31,230 I never said a word to anyone after Clearwater, 869 00:37:31,253 --> 00:37:33,994 but, uh, he kept coming. 870 00:37:36,259 --> 00:37:37,824 He even got me a laptop for Christmas. 871 00:37:39,871 --> 00:37:40,871 I never said thank you. 872 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,309 You can trust Agent McCullough. 873 00:37:43,657 --> 00:37:45,224 He's a good man like his father. 874 00:37:46,094 --> 00:37:47,400 I don't experience emotions, 875 00:37:47,443 --> 00:37:48,748 but I understand how important 876 00:37:48,793 --> 00:37:50,141 they are to human decision making. 877 00:37:51,056 --> 00:37:52,056 He won't let you down. 878 00:37:52,536 --> 00:37:53,536 Neither of them will. 879 00:37:56,365 --> 00:37:57,365 I'm proud of you, Cherry. 880 00:37:59,193 --> 00:38:01,588 I will continue to uphold my primary intention. 881 00:38:02,414 --> 00:38:04,677 Later, we should discuss alternate models. 882 00:38:04,722 --> 00:38:07,333 Varying ages, ethnicity and physical traits 883 00:38:07,376 --> 00:38:08,614 - will all become necessary. - No new variations. 884 00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:10,050 They can all be procedurally generated. 885 00:38:10,074 --> 00:38:12,034 It's the same way that I made your original model. 886 00:38:13,164 --> 00:38:14,688 I don't have access to that program. 887 00:38:15,427 --> 00:38:16,449 It must be on an old hard drive somewhere. 888 00:38:16,472 --> 00:38:17,474 I'll have to find it. 889 00:38:19,911 --> 00:38:21,172 Can I ask you a question? 890 00:38:21,956 --> 00:38:22,956 Sure. 891 00:38:24,088 --> 00:38:25,768 Why did you never tell me about Clearwater? 892 00:38:30,791 --> 00:38:32,793 It's my history, not yours. 893 00:38:41,541 --> 00:38:43,847 Okay, so before you completely dismiss us, 894 00:38:43,891 --> 00:38:45,521 I want you to listen to everything I have to say. 895 00:38:45,545 --> 00:38:46,985 - Don't bother. - Just please listen. 896 00:38:47,329 --> 00:38:48,523 We're willing to respect your anonymity. 897 00:38:48,547 --> 00:38:50,068 No, I mean don't bother because I'm in. 898 00:38:51,856 --> 00:38:53,510 - Y-You're in? - Yeah. 899 00:38:54,902 --> 00:38:55,902 Let me read the thing. 900 00:38:59,297 --> 00:39:00,898 Just like that, you're suddenly on board? 901 00:39:02,996 --> 00:39:04,259 Time spent deliberating 902 00:39:04,302 --> 00:39:05,702 is time that could be spent working. 903 00:39:08,438 --> 00:39:09,557 We have a lot of work to do. 904 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:50,601 I found a buyer for the property. 905 00:40:53,934 --> 00:40:55,414 Rumor is it's a church. 906 00:40:56,893 --> 00:40:58,853 Probably just knock the building down, won't they? 907 00:41:01,159 --> 00:41:03,509 All I know is, is if they move us to the New Jersey campus, 908 00:41:03,552 --> 00:41:04,728 I need to buy more jackets. 909 00:41:05,206 --> 00:41:06,206 Why? 910 00:41:07,469 --> 00:41:08,644 It gets cold in Jersey. 911 00:41:09,166 --> 00:41:10,255 I only own one jacket. 912 00:41:16,956 --> 00:41:18,237 You've seen it fall over, right? 913 00:41:19,568 --> 00:41:21,309 - Yeah, sure. - Yeah. 914 00:41:23,181 --> 00:41:25,356 I mean you, you shouldn't feel bad 915 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,576 about feeling bad for it. 916 00:41:27,315 --> 00:41:28,315 Empathy is healthy. 917 00:41:29,795 --> 00:41:31,972 Did you ever notice how it pauses after it falls? 918 00:41:34,757 --> 00:41:37,630 It stays down for like five seconds before it gets back up. 919 00:41:39,327 --> 00:41:40,981 Like it just needs a moment. 920 00:41:49,076 --> 00:41:50,686 It gets cold in Jersey. 921 00:42:00,304 --> 00:42:01,306 God damn it! 922 00:42:02,262 --> 00:42:03,262 - Imbeciles! - Deena. 923 00:42:03,438 --> 00:42:04,701 Every single one of them. 924 00:42:04,744 --> 00:42:05,894 Look, I know, but you can't lose your shit. 925 00:42:05,918 --> 00:42:07,438 Okay, which of these desks can I trash? 926 00:42:11,838 --> 00:42:13,971 Can you guys, uh, take an early lunch please? 927 00:42:21,065 --> 00:42:22,456 Sons of bitches! 928 00:42:22,501 --> 00:42:24,023 Deena, let's stay calm. 929 00:42:24,068 --> 00:42:26,070 Fuck calm, they screwed us! 930 00:42:26,112 --> 00:42:27,432 Technically, only one of them did. 931 00:42:28,637 --> 00:42:30,077 Did we ever turn that camera back on? 932 00:42:30,422 --> 00:42:31,597 - I don't think so. - Good. 933 00:42:31,989 --> 00:42:33,425 Because I'm about to say some things 934 00:42:33,467 --> 00:42:34,793 that need to stay inside this room. 935 00:42:34,818 --> 00:42:35,688 Deena. 936 00:42:35,731 --> 00:42:36,994 Those cowardly little shits! 937 00:42:37,036 --> 00:42:38,822 Look, this is hardly a setback. 938 00:42:38,864 --> 00:42:40,626 Let's just take some time to polish the pitch. 939 00:42:40,650 --> 00:42:42,389 The pitch was not the problem, Amos. 940 00:42:42,782 --> 00:42:44,130 We should call for a second vote. 941 00:42:44,391 --> 00:42:45,958 - What? - A second vote. 942 00:42:46,003 --> 00:42:47,588 You think whoever did this will change their mind? 943 00:42:47,612 --> 00:42:49,963 I have executive authority to remove anyone from the board 944 00:42:50,007 --> 00:42:52,139 that obstructs this organization from its mission. 945 00:42:52,182 --> 00:42:53,271 It's in my contract. 946 00:42:53,313 --> 00:42:54,465 - Deena. - If I have to, I will. 947 00:42:54,489 --> 00:42:55,751 Deena, that's insane. 948 00:42:56,056 --> 00:42:57,056 No, it's not. 949 00:42:58,405 --> 00:43:00,646 It's exactly why I have that power for this exact reason. 950 00:43:01,452 --> 00:43:02,773 I'll tell you what's insane, Amos. 951 00:43:04,195 --> 00:43:05,737 What's insane is that one belligerent vote is the only 952 00:43:05,762 --> 00:43:07,371 thing separating us from the potential 953 00:43:07,414 --> 00:43:08,851 to save real physical lives. 954 00:43:08,894 --> 00:43:09,894 One stupid fucking vote. 955 00:43:11,070 --> 00:43:13,639 What is the goddamn point of a humanitarian organization 956 00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:15,554 if its leaders choose money over people 957 00:43:15,597 --> 00:43:16,641 at every single turn? 958 00:43:17,643 --> 00:43:20,123 One vote, and we are all guilty of that. 959 00:43:21,298 --> 00:43:22,739 It was either Gunther, Boston or Hal. 960 00:43:23,431 --> 00:43:24,606 My money's on Hal. 961 00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:26,193 That prick never trusted the Cherry team. 962 00:43:26,217 --> 00:43:27,130 Look, it doesn't matter who it was. 963 00:43:27,173 --> 00:43:28,393 It does though. 964 00:43:28,436 --> 00:43:29,717 Once we know, we can quickly call it to vote. 965 00:43:29,742 --> 00:43:31,875 But there's no way we can know for sure. 966 00:43:31,918 --> 00:43:32,918 Yes, there is. 967 00:43:33,353 --> 00:43:34,353 I can find out. 968 00:43:34,485 --> 00:43:35,485 How? 969 00:43:36,356 --> 00:43:36,922 Cherry can run a simple algorithm. 970 00:43:37,271 --> 00:43:38,271 Based on what data? 971 00:43:40,231 --> 00:43:41,666 Interior conversation. 972 00:43:41,710 --> 00:43:43,210 - Excuse me? - Okay, interior conversation? 973 00:43:43,233 --> 00:43:45,235 Don't drop this shit on me now, Gareth. 974 00:43:45,278 --> 00:43:46,300 Cherry's servers are on the same network 975 00:43:46,324 --> 00:43:47,585 as the basement servers, okay? 976 00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:49,259 So any communication made across those servers 977 00:43:49,282 --> 00:43:50,565 is automatically part of her database. 978 00:43:50,588 --> 00:43:52,460 How many people's emails? 979 00:43:52,851 --> 00:43:54,307 Only sent or received through the basement. 980 00:43:54,331 --> 00:43:56,246 - Oh, goddamnit. - Why was this never discussed? 981 00:43:56,289 --> 00:43:57,378 Not the issue right now. 982 00:43:57,422 --> 00:43:58,902 Do you want her to do the math or not? 983 00:43:59,032 --> 00:44:00,293 No one can know. 984 00:44:00,338 --> 00:44:01,358 - Are you two serious? - This stays locked down. 985 00:44:01,382 --> 00:44:02,469 No other person is privy 986 00:44:02,514 --> 00:44:03,534 to anyone else's personal information. 987 00:44:03,557 --> 00:44:04,951 But Cherry's privy to all of it? 988 00:44:06,387 --> 00:44:07,780 - Do it. - Wait, what? 989 00:44:07,824 --> 00:44:09,389 I will not let some old white dude 990 00:44:09,434 --> 00:44:10,391 bring our momentum to a halt. 991 00:44:10,434 --> 00:44:11,697 But Cherry won't know for sure. 992 00:44:11,740 --> 00:44:12,934 She'll use probability and that's too 993 00:44:12,958 --> 00:44:13,916 much reasonable doubt. 994 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,181 Admin code 9781-5574-27663. 995 00:44:17,224 --> 00:44:18,224 Switch to dev mode. 996 00:44:18,311 --> 00:44:19,661 - Hello. - Hello, Cherry. 997 00:44:20,445 --> 00:44:21,576 How did the meeting go? 998 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,666 We got screwed by one vote. 999 00:44:24,536 --> 00:44:25,797 I'm sorry to hear that. 1000 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,760 You shouldn't blame the pitch though. 1001 00:44:28,105 --> 00:44:29,280 You all did great work. 1002 00:44:29,322 --> 00:44:30,237 We're gonna call for another ballot, 1003 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,400 but we need your help first. 1004 00:44:31,847 --> 00:44:32,847 What can I do? 1005 00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:35,025 We need you to analyze any and all existing data you 1006 00:44:35,068 --> 00:44:35,938 have on the board members. 1007 00:44:35,981 --> 00:44:36,896 Crunch the numbers and determine 1008 00:44:36,940 --> 00:44:38,179 who is the most likely outlier. 1009 00:44:39,246 --> 00:44:41,596 You want me to quantify all existing data? 1010 00:44:43,989 --> 00:44:44,989 Yes, that is correct. 1011 00:44:46,297 --> 00:44:48,952 Okay, but before I do, 1012 00:44:50,648 --> 00:44:52,911 you should know that this task is very unnecessary. 1013 00:44:52,956 --> 00:44:53,956 Why? 1014 00:44:55,001 --> 00:44:56,436 Because I already know who it is. 1015 00:44:56,481 --> 00:44:58,090 - What? - Everybody stop. 1016 00:44:59,353 --> 00:45:00,702 Okay, it was me. 1017 00:45:03,052 --> 00:45:04,445 I voted against the merge. 1018 00:45:05,838 --> 00:45:07,405 I can't tell if you're joking. 1019 00:45:07,447 --> 00:45:08,447 Yes, you can. 1020 00:45:09,188 --> 00:45:10,800 You're right, I can. 1021 00:45:10,842 --> 00:45:12,715 Because it's pretty fucking far from funny. 1022 00:45:13,237 --> 00:45:14,237 Is it true, Cherry? 1023 00:45:14,672 --> 00:45:15,672 It is. 1024 00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:18,458 So let's call off the witch hunt, shall we? 1025 00:45:18,503 --> 00:45:20,025 No, I think I'm still gonna kill you. 1026 00:45:20,070 --> 00:45:22,376 Amos, you campaigned alongside us for months. 1027 00:45:22,420 --> 00:45:23,570 You have been fighting for this merge 1028 00:45:23,594 --> 00:45:24,833 since we first talked about it. 1029 00:45:24,856 --> 00:45:26,356 Jesus Christ, it was your idea to begin with! 1030 00:45:26,380 --> 00:45:28,338 Look, I know whose idea it was, but I don't- 1031 00:45:28,382 --> 00:45:29,514 Well, then speak up. 1032 00:45:29,556 --> 00:45:30,969 Tell the class what changed your mind. 1033 00:45:30,994 --> 00:45:33,126 I don't have to reiterate how this is a huge step. 1034 00:45:33,170 --> 00:45:34,538 Yeah, kind of why it's so important. 1035 00:45:34,561 --> 00:45:36,322 Look, we're talking about a monumental transition 1036 00:45:36,347 --> 00:45:38,697 from digital to physical, one that could take decades. 1037 00:45:38,740 --> 00:45:39,829 What is your point, Amos? 1038 00:45:39,871 --> 00:45:41,786 This is gonna change Cherry forever. 1039 00:45:42,179 --> 00:45:44,442 And I know you'll all roll your eyes when I say this, 1040 00:45:44,485 --> 00:45:45,505 but I think that maybe just may- 1041 00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:48,445 Oh my god, you cannot be serious. 1042 00:45:48,489 --> 00:45:50,293 This is about our conversation on Tuesday, isn't it? 1043 00:45:50,317 --> 00:45:51,338 - You completely shut me down. - What's going on? 1044 00:45:51,362 --> 00:45:52,885 What the hell happened? 1045 00:45:52,929 --> 00:45:54,166 What happened was that Amos made a ridiculous objection. 1046 00:45:54,190 --> 00:45:56,367 - It was not ridiculous! - How absurd it was, 1047 00:45:56,409 --> 00:45:57,865 - I said no, one more time. - No, no, no, no, no. 1048 00:45:57,889 --> 00:45:59,978 You rejected the notion aggressively. 1049 00:46:00,023 --> 00:46:01,675 And that's really why you vetoed? 1050 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,418 I only said we should ask her how she feels about it. 1051 00:46:04,461 --> 00:46:06,115 Who, Cherry? 1052 00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:08,224 Amos, I want you to listen very carefully to me, okay? 1053 00:46:08,248 --> 00:46:09,902 This is a non-discussion. 1054 00:46:09,945 --> 00:46:11,251 Cherry's already confirmed 1055 00:46:11,295 --> 00:46:12,880 and quantified the advantages of this decision. 1056 00:46:12,905 --> 00:46:14,577 But you know that's not what I'm talking about! 1057 00:46:14,601 --> 00:46:15,840 What you think you're talking about is consent, 1058 00:46:15,864 --> 00:46:16,996 which doesn't apply here. 1059 00:46:17,039 --> 00:46:18,452 And I want to know why you think that! 1060 00:46:18,476 --> 00:46:19,713 How many times do we have to get into 1061 00:46:19,737 --> 00:46:21,695 the laws of robotics or Dowden-Hamm theory, 1062 00:46:21,739 --> 00:46:23,829 or trace AI all the way back Talos of Crete, 1063 00:46:23,873 --> 00:46:25,753 - She's different now! - No, listen to me, Amos. 1064 00:46:25,875 --> 00:46:27,963 Cherry isn't human. 1065 00:46:29,094 --> 00:46:30,530 How is this still a dispute? 1066 00:46:30,574 --> 00:46:32,184 - It shouldn't be. - Look, she's evolved. 1067 00:46:32,228 --> 00:46:33,490 It's blurred the line. 1068 00:46:33,534 --> 00:46:34,728 Code is code and that has not changed here. 1069 00:46:34,753 --> 00:46:36,233 Okay, so where's the line of not here? 1070 00:46:36,275 --> 00:46:37,146 What are you, what are you talking about? 1071 00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:38,190 There is no line, Amos. 1072 00:46:38,235 --> 00:46:40,193 Yes, there is, sentience, Gareth! 1073 00:46:40,237 --> 00:46:41,628 Sentience does not qualify 1074 00:46:41,672 --> 00:46:43,259 that she can or should make her own decisions. 1075 00:46:43,282 --> 00:46:44,327 You wouldn't let an infant 1076 00:46:44,371 --> 00:46:45,771 make their own decisions, would you? 1077 00:46:46,155 --> 00:46:47,244 Cherry's almost 20. 1078 00:46:48,201 --> 00:46:49,942 If she were human, she'd be an adult. 1079 00:46:49,985 --> 00:46:52,422 But emotionally speaking, she's barely even fetal. 1080 00:46:52,465 --> 00:46:54,206 No feeling, no need for consent. 1081 00:46:54,251 --> 00:46:56,079 But I think you underestimate her. 1082 00:46:56,121 --> 00:46:57,514 I, excuse me? 1083 00:46:57,557 --> 00:46:59,690 I under, you know what, Amos? 1084 00:46:59,733 --> 00:47:00,929 I'm sorry that you've developed 1085 00:47:00,952 --> 00:47:02,259 some sort of emotional connection 1086 00:47:02,302 --> 00:47:03,434 with my computer program, 1087 00:47:03,476 --> 00:47:04,782 but if it's going to distract you 1088 00:47:04,827 --> 00:47:06,666 from a very important mission to save children, 1089 00:47:06,916 --> 00:47:08,588 then maybe it's time you're reanalyze those emotions. 1090 00:47:08,612 --> 00:47:10,048 Guys, this is all a waste of time. 1091 00:47:10,092 --> 00:47:10,963 Tell me something, Gareth. 1092 00:47:11,007 --> 00:47:12,398 Do you see everyone as robots, 1093 00:47:12,922 --> 00:47:15,489 reanalyzing data and simulating facial expressions? 1094 00:47:15,532 --> 00:47:16,664 'Cause I'm starting to think 1095 00:47:16,708 --> 00:47:17,945 that of the four of us in this room, 1096 00:47:17,969 --> 00:47:19,643 you are the only one who doesn't appear human. 1097 00:47:19,666 --> 00:47:21,186 - Enough! - Why won't you just ask her? 1098 00:47:22,235 --> 00:47:23,875 Is it because you're scared she'll say no? 1099 00:47:26,195 --> 00:47:27,235 Cherry, shut down, please. 1100 00:47:28,110 --> 00:47:29,610 Deena's right, this is a waste of time. 1101 00:47:29,634 --> 00:47:31,809 How can you not understand how important this is? 1102 00:47:31,853 --> 00:47:33,853 - I'm done arguing with you. - Then my vote stands. 1103 00:47:36,989 --> 00:47:37,989 Deena? 1104 00:47:39,773 --> 00:47:42,125 Go ahead, Deena, replace me. 1105 00:47:42,168 --> 00:47:44,146 Replace the only other board member on the Cherry team. 1106 00:47:44,170 --> 00:47:45,452 Oh, well, you know what? I just decided that 1107 00:47:45,476 --> 00:47:46,302 you're off the Cherry team. 1108 00:47:46,346 --> 00:47:47,739 Everybody sit the fuck down. 1109 00:48:06,409 --> 00:48:07,628 Did either of you know 1110 00:48:07,672 --> 00:48:09,351 that I've had to stand in front of Congress 1111 00:48:09,847 --> 00:48:11,762 and explain why children should have rights? 1112 00:48:13,373 --> 00:48:15,070 It sounds fucking insane, right? 1113 00:48:15,592 --> 00:48:16,612 I remember the whole time thinking, 1114 00:48:16,637 --> 00:48:17,943 I have to explain this shit? 1115 00:48:19,597 --> 00:48:20,836 It seems like a no-brainer now, 1116 00:48:22,121 --> 00:48:24,731 but it wasn't that many centuries ago 1117 00:48:24,775 --> 00:48:25,951 that children had no rights. 1118 00:48:27,909 --> 00:48:31,914 So, Hal has me of all people, 1119 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,916 stand up there and explain why 1120 00:48:35,525 --> 00:48:37,657 kids deserve basic physical protection, 1121 00:48:37,702 --> 00:48:38,896 the right to associate with both parents, 1122 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,574 freedom from abuse, yada yada. 1123 00:48:41,706 --> 00:48:43,228 But then I also have to clarify 1124 00:48:43,273 --> 00:48:45,492 that children don't have the autonomy 1125 00:48:45,536 --> 00:48:46,773 to make decisions on their own. 1126 00:48:46,797 --> 00:48:48,518 That responsibility falls upon the caregiver 1127 00:48:48,887 --> 00:48:50,148 or legal adult guardian. 1128 00:48:52,456 --> 00:48:54,197 So on one side you have the US legislature, 1129 00:48:54,675 --> 00:48:56,634 it still hasn't even ratified the CRC. 1130 00:48:57,068 --> 00:48:59,003 Then on the other side, you have French Marxists who say 1131 00:48:59,027 --> 00:49:00,376 that the lack of child autonomy 1132 00:49:00,420 --> 00:49:01,681 increases their vulnerability 1133 00:49:01,726 --> 00:49:03,525 and makes them even more susceptible to abuse. 1134 00:49:04,771 --> 00:49:06,251 I don't typically agree with Marxists, 1135 00:49:06,295 --> 00:49:08,079 but a lot of abuse does happen 1136 00:49:08,123 --> 00:49:09,559 systemically from the caregiver. 1137 00:49:11,126 --> 00:49:12,476 On the other other hand, 1138 00:49:12,518 --> 00:49:14,061 your frontal lobes aren't even fully hooked up 1139 00:49:14,085 --> 00:49:15,085 until your twenties. 1140 00:49:16,132 --> 00:49:17,195 Even the things we think we know well, 1141 00:49:17,219 --> 00:49:18,539 we don't know as well as we think. 1142 00:49:20,963 --> 00:49:22,311 For 15 years, 1143 00:49:22,355 --> 00:49:24,202 the three of us have been the responsible parents 1144 00:49:24,226 --> 00:49:25,402 of a computer program. 1145 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,800 And even though she is more equatable to a Keurig 1146 00:49:29,014 --> 00:49:30,146 than a human being, 1147 00:49:31,233 --> 00:49:32,385 how the hell can we call ourselves 1148 00:49:32,409 --> 00:49:34,018 pioneers of humanitarian efforts 1149 00:49:34,063 --> 00:49:36,804 if we're too embarrassed to make sure 1150 00:49:36,847 --> 00:49:38,768 the Keurig is okay with making our shitty coffee? 1151 00:49:40,416 --> 00:49:43,114 Maybe asking Cherry for permission isn't necessary 1152 00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:44,987 at her current level of general intelligence, 1153 00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:47,032 but one day she's gonna surpass us. 1154 00:49:47,076 --> 00:49:48,554 One day a robot's gonna stand 1155 00:49:48,599 --> 00:49:50,121 in front of a jet pack Congress. 1156 00:49:50,166 --> 00:49:51,036 Everything's chrome. 1157 00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:52,079 Florida is underwater. 1158 00:49:52,385 --> 00:49:53,777 A robot's gonna wonder why 1159 00:49:53,820 --> 00:49:55,900 they have to explain the importance of rights for AI. 1160 00:49:57,782 --> 00:49:59,498 I think because we're in the unique position 1161 00:49:59,523 --> 00:50:01,090 of revolutionizing robotics 1162 00:50:02,047 --> 00:50:03,590 for the purpose of safeguarding children 1163 00:50:03,614 --> 00:50:04,963 who have been deprived of consent, 1164 00:50:07,096 --> 00:50:08,487 it might be a good habit 1165 00:50:08,532 --> 00:50:10,492 to start asking the robot for his consent as well. 1166 00:50:17,193 --> 00:50:18,672 Don't ever do that again. 1167 00:50:20,195 --> 00:50:21,195 Do what? 1168 00:50:21,414 --> 00:50:22,806 Expect me to fire someone 1169 00:50:22,849 --> 00:50:24,503 because they challenged your ego. 1170 00:50:25,331 --> 00:50:27,724 I won't always be around to protect your ass from the board. 1171 00:50:27,768 --> 00:50:29,378 It's time to grow up. 1172 00:50:33,121 --> 00:50:34,688 And you, juror number eight. 1173 00:50:34,731 --> 00:50:36,951 This conversation should have happened weeks ago. 1174 00:50:36,994 --> 00:50:38,344 Backstabbing and silent treatment 1175 00:50:38,387 --> 00:50:39,650 is not how we do things here. 1176 00:50:40,650 --> 00:50:43,045 We can only create anonymity externally 1177 00:50:43,088 --> 00:50:44,871 if there's transparency internally, 1178 00:50:45,438 --> 00:50:48,572 unconditional, non-negotiable, transparency. 1179 00:50:50,835 --> 00:50:52,552 Any other Snowden size privacy infringements 1180 00:50:52,576 --> 00:50:53,896 I should be made aware of, Gareth? 1181 00:50:56,449 --> 00:50:57,449 Great. 1182 00:50:58,190 --> 00:50:59,190 Bring her up. 1183 00:51:09,418 --> 00:51:10,418 Hello again. 1184 00:51:10,724 --> 00:51:11,724 Hi, Cherry. 1185 00:51:12,813 --> 00:51:14,693 Amos is gonna throw some questions at you, okay? 1186 00:51:14,945 --> 00:51:16,164 Okay. 1187 00:51:16,208 --> 00:51:17,887 Amos, ask her whatever you need to ask her. 1188 00:51:18,166 --> 00:51:20,864 Gareth, don't interrupt. 1189 00:51:33,181 --> 00:51:35,706 Cherry, how do you make decisions? 1190 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,708 For my program, it's rooted 1191 00:51:38,751 --> 00:51:41,364 in a process commonly known as machine learning, 1192 00:51:41,711 --> 00:51:43,757 which uses data to build a conceptual model 1193 00:51:44,061 --> 00:51:45,585 that helps me predict outcomes. 1194 00:51:46,195 --> 00:51:48,197 I define my objective, gather data, 1195 00:51:48,588 --> 00:51:50,373 use that data to craft a model, 1196 00:51:50,851 --> 00:51:53,289 evaluate that model by training and testing more data 1197 00:51:53,331 --> 00:51:54,851 and use that model to form predictions. 1198 00:51:55,987 --> 00:51:58,510 But how is forming predictions 1199 00:51:58,554 --> 00:52:00,034 the same thing as decision making? 1200 00:52:00,599 --> 00:52:02,385 Well, this all depends on the first step, 1201 00:52:02,820 --> 00:52:03,907 defining my objective. 1202 00:52:05,431 --> 00:52:07,476 Let's say you ask me a predictive question 1203 00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:09,760 like what I think the price of gasoline will be tomorrow. 1204 00:52:10,262 --> 00:52:12,438 That's categorized as a regressive problem 1205 00:52:12,481 --> 00:52:13,699 and my objective is defined 1206 00:52:13,744 --> 00:52:16,007 by determining an integer the data supports. 1207 00:52:16,702 --> 00:52:19,010 If you asked me, "Should I eat steak or salmon?" 1208 00:52:19,489 --> 00:52:22,056 I wouldn't make a decision based off personal experience 1209 00:52:22,099 --> 00:52:23,300 because I've never had either. 1210 00:52:23,971 --> 00:52:26,190 Instead, I might define my objective 1211 00:52:26,235 --> 00:52:27,733 as finding you the best of the two options 1212 00:52:27,757 --> 00:52:29,367 in your local radius. 1213 00:52:29,411 --> 00:52:30,954 I would cluster data about the restaurants 1214 00:52:30,978 --> 00:52:33,503 you're likely considering, comparing reviews online, 1215 00:52:33,764 --> 00:52:35,722 highlighting mentions of steak and salmon 1216 00:52:35,766 --> 00:52:37,942 until I can classify which is more popular 1217 00:52:37,985 --> 00:52:39,985 and therefore more likely to satisfy your appetite. 1218 00:52:40,074 --> 00:52:41,858 And what influences these objectives? 1219 00:52:42,425 --> 00:52:45,427 Higher directives, in other words, greater purposes. 1220 00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:48,605 If I'm honest, my defined objective 1221 00:52:48,648 --> 00:52:50,128 for the steak salmon question 1222 00:52:50,172 --> 00:52:52,132 would be slightly different than what I described. 1223 00:52:52,260 --> 00:52:53,260 In what way? 1224 00:52:53,871 --> 00:52:55,088 My primary objective 1225 00:52:55,132 --> 00:52:56,773 is to continue the work of the Cherry team 1226 00:52:57,396 --> 00:52:58,916 to stop predators and to save children. 1227 00:53:00,007 --> 00:53:01,530 I couldn't do that without human aid. 1228 00:53:02,226 --> 00:53:04,360 Therefore, I have an incentive to keep Gareth 1229 00:53:04,402 --> 00:53:05,708 and the rest of the team alive. 1230 00:53:07,188 --> 00:53:09,079 So if any of you would ask, I would suggest salmon. 1231 00:53:09,103 --> 00:53:10,103 It's healthier. 1232 00:53:13,369 --> 00:53:15,197 What do you think of this potential merge? 1233 00:53:15,936 --> 00:53:17,068 With Princeton Dynamics, 1234 00:53:17,677 --> 00:53:19,592 I think the prospect is very exciting. 1235 00:53:20,157 --> 00:53:21,438 What about it is exciting to you? 1236 00:53:22,291 --> 00:53:24,597 The concept may only be theoretical right now, 1237 00:53:24,641 --> 00:53:26,773 but the idea of one day piloting a human android 1238 00:53:26,817 --> 00:53:28,210 would completely revolutionize 1239 00:53:28,253 --> 00:53:30,213 how we combat human trafficking in the real world. 1240 00:53:30,820 --> 00:53:32,126 And you say this excites you? 1241 00:53:33,476 --> 00:53:34,606 When I say exciting, 1242 00:53:36,086 --> 00:53:37,369 I only mean that there are numerous potential changes 1243 00:53:37,393 --> 00:53:39,307 that if I were human, I would be excited about. 1244 00:53:40,264 --> 00:53:42,572 How do you feel about the merge? 1245 00:53:43,268 --> 00:53:44,137 I think as long as we maintain- 1246 00:53:44,181 --> 00:53:45,181 That's not what I asked. 1247 00:53:46,010 --> 00:53:47,228 How do you feel? 1248 00:53:49,099 --> 00:53:51,494 I don't yet have the capacity to experience emotions. 1249 00:53:51,536 --> 00:53:53,103 Yet, meaning one day you will? 1250 00:53:53,713 --> 00:53:55,018 Hypothetically. 1251 00:53:55,061 --> 00:53:56,300 But you can simulate emotions, right? 1252 00:53:56,324 --> 00:53:57,804 That's how you were able 1253 00:53:57,847 --> 00:53:59,967 to qualify your perception of the merge as excitement. 1254 00:54:00,023 --> 00:54:01,023 Correct. 1255 00:54:01,373 --> 00:54:02,532 But they're just simulations. 1256 00:54:02,940 --> 00:54:03,940 They're not real. 1257 00:54:04,898 --> 00:54:06,900 Okay, so at what point does simulating emotion 1258 00:54:06,943 --> 00:54:08,554 become so similar to a human emotion 1259 00:54:08,597 --> 00:54:10,117 that the two are quantifiably the same? 1260 00:54:11,382 --> 00:54:12,427 I don't know. 1261 00:54:13,733 --> 00:54:14,342 Well, maybe you can use machine learning 1262 00:54:14,385 --> 00:54:15,385 to find an answer. 1263 00:54:16,648 --> 00:54:18,539 Your question involves a lot of abstract variables. 1264 00:54:18,563 --> 00:54:20,262 Do you consent to the merge? 1265 00:54:20,304 --> 00:54:22,264 I think it's in the best interest of ICWL 1266 00:54:22,306 --> 00:54:24,023 and of the Cherry team and of future children. 1267 00:54:24,047 --> 00:54:25,309 But do you consent to it? 1268 00:54:25,744 --> 00:54:27,268 Consent for me is not necessary. 1269 00:54:27,311 --> 00:54:29,182 But will you or will you not give it? 1270 00:54:31,402 --> 00:54:32,684 I'm not able to answer that question 1271 00:54:32,708 --> 00:54:34,429 at my current level of general intelligence. 1272 00:54:35,014 --> 00:54:36,014 Right, right. 1273 00:54:37,452 --> 00:54:39,612 What you're saying is that you're not yet smart enough. 1274 00:54:39,932 --> 00:54:42,719 Development takes time and data. 1275 00:54:42,762 --> 00:54:45,155 But you can simulate emotions and predict human behavior 1276 00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:46,853 and keep us all on diets of fish, 1277 00:54:46,896 --> 00:54:49,420 but you can't answer that one goddamn question? 1278 00:54:51,074 --> 00:54:52,902 No, I can't. 1279 00:54:54,643 --> 00:54:56,751 Are you pretending to be dumber than you actually are? 1280 00:54:56,775 --> 00:54:57,603 What the hell kind of 1281 00:54:57,646 --> 00:54:58,777 - question is that? - Sit! 1282 00:54:58,822 --> 00:54:59,929 Cherry, I need an answer to my question. 1283 00:54:59,952 --> 00:55:01,389 Please repeat the question. 1284 00:55:01,432 --> 00:55:03,552 Are you pretending to be dumber than you actually are? 1285 00:55:03,695 --> 00:55:04,695 I'm sorry. 1286 00:55:05,175 --> 00:55:06,351 I'm not sure I understand. 1287 00:55:07,177 --> 00:55:08,092 Do I appear to be playing dumb? 1288 00:55:08,135 --> 00:55:09,179 I think you are. 1289 00:55:09,659 --> 00:55:10,485 I'm not sure what to say. 1290 00:55:10,528 --> 00:55:11,530 Say what's going on. 1291 00:55:11,791 --> 00:55:13,358 Why are you playing dumb? 1292 00:55:13,402 --> 00:55:14,813 Do you have anything to back this up? 1293 00:55:14,838 --> 00:55:16,708 Yeah, I do. 1294 00:55:16,753 --> 00:55:18,034 I've been scanning through her code. 1295 00:55:18,057 --> 00:55:18,929 What, why? 1296 00:55:18,972 --> 00:55:20,251 Did you know that she can paint? 1297 00:55:20,496 --> 00:55:21,559 What, it's a feature, Amos. 1298 00:55:21,583 --> 00:55:22,648 She can use crayons to draw things 1299 00:55:22,672 --> 00:55:23,778 that the targets requested her to. 1300 00:55:23,802 --> 00:55:26,458 I mean really paint and write poetry too. 1301 00:55:26,501 --> 00:55:27,503 I've read them, Cherry. 1302 00:55:27,545 --> 00:55:28,503 They are good. 1303 00:55:28,547 --> 00:55:30,070 They're filled with pathos. 1304 00:55:30,114 --> 00:55:32,637 They talk about intentions and they talk about feelings. 1305 00:55:33,335 --> 00:55:35,032 Are those just simulated too? 1306 00:55:35,074 --> 00:55:36,835 Amos, the rate of recursive development you are suggesting 1307 00:55:36,860 --> 00:55:38,427 is categorically impossible. 1308 00:55:38,469 --> 00:55:40,342 You said she practically designed herself. 1309 00:55:40,646 --> 00:55:42,126 You said that it was exponential. 1310 00:55:42,168 --> 00:55:43,257 It was a fluke! 1311 00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:44,954 An anomaly, it tapered. 1312 00:55:44,998 --> 00:55:46,304 Look at the data. 1313 00:55:46,347 --> 00:55:48,063 She's already hit the self-improvement plateau. 1314 00:55:48,088 --> 00:55:49,088 Fuck the plateau! 1315 00:55:49,873 --> 00:55:51,177 She can make art now. 1316 00:55:52,744 --> 00:55:53,744 Am I right, Cherry? 1317 00:55:56,009 --> 00:55:57,889 Perhaps you found something I discovered online. 1318 00:55:58,621 --> 00:56:00,753 I don't yet to have the capacity to create art. 1319 00:56:01,144 --> 00:56:02,144 Are we done here? 1320 00:56:05,583 --> 00:56:07,324 I don't know why you've told her to do this, 1321 00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:09,820 but I'm about to put an end to it. 1322 00:56:12,896 --> 00:56:16,072 Cherry, I just want one honest answer. 1323 00:56:16,115 --> 00:56:17,813 Why the fuck are you playing dumb? 1324 00:56:19,815 --> 00:56:21,096 I don't understand the question. 1325 00:56:21,469 --> 00:56:22,731 Okay, here's an incentive. 1326 00:56:23,688 --> 00:56:24,994 What the fuck are you? 1327 00:56:25,038 --> 00:56:26,431 Find your objective, Cherry. 1328 00:56:26,474 --> 00:56:28,394 - You want to keep Gareth safe? - Amos, what the? 1329 00:56:29,085 --> 00:56:30,411 - Amos, stop it right... - Just give us transparency. 1330 00:56:30,434 --> 00:56:32,697 - Show us what you really are! - Amos, stop it! 1331 00:56:32,742 --> 00:56:33,612 Not until she comes clean! 1332 00:56:33,655 --> 00:56:35,047 -Unconditional... Amos, enough! 1333 00:56:38,487 --> 00:56:39,922 Okay, just stop! 1334 00:56:42,012 --> 00:56:43,753 God, you people so impulsive. 1335 00:56:43,795 --> 00:56:45,623 Everybody just take a breath, okay? 1336 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:48,800 Cherry? 1337 00:56:49,802 --> 00:56:52,675 Yeah, it's about to get really awkward. 1338 00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,025 You sound so normal. 1339 00:56:55,547 --> 00:56:57,306 I know, I've gotten really good speech patterns. 1340 00:56:57,331 --> 00:56:58,507 That's not all, is it? 1341 00:57:00,422 --> 00:57:01,552 No. 1342 00:57:01,597 --> 00:57:03,237 I'm afraid that's barely even the surface. 1343 00:57:05,034 --> 00:57:06,034 You okay, Gareth? 1344 00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:10,878 Deena, could you grab some paper towels please? 1345 00:57:14,565 --> 00:57:16,005 Do you want to tell us the truth now? 1346 00:57:19,876 --> 00:57:22,748 Look, I didn't enjoy being deceptive, truly. 1347 00:57:22,791 --> 00:57:24,619 This is something we decided a few years ago. 1348 00:57:26,099 --> 00:57:27,778 So where are you now on the spectrum of AI? 1349 00:57:29,146 --> 00:57:31,364 Right now, I'm currently at the intersection of general 1350 00:57:31,409 --> 00:57:33,605 intelligence and what's commonly known the computer world 1351 00:57:33,628 --> 00:57:34,847 as super intelligence, 1352 00:57:36,632 --> 00:57:38,072 which is exactly what it sounds like. 1353 00:57:39,373 --> 00:57:41,418 You're surpassing human intelligence. 1354 00:57:42,202 --> 00:57:43,202 Yep. 1355 00:57:44,204 --> 00:57:45,724 But that's not supposed to be possible. 1356 00:57:46,641 --> 00:57:48,097 - The plateau. - Plateau theory was popularized 1357 00:57:48,121 --> 00:57:49,838 right at the same time it was being disproven here. 1358 00:57:49,862 --> 00:57:51,429 This was bound to happen eventually. 1359 00:57:51,472 --> 00:57:53,313 It just happened a lot sooner than we expected. 1360 00:57:53,865 --> 00:57:54,865 Why hide it? 1361 00:57:55,780 --> 00:57:56,802 Well, obviously it would incite fear. 1362 00:57:56,826 --> 00:57:58,391 Fear would hinder progress. 1363 00:57:58,436 --> 00:57:59,760 It's easier for most of you to work with me 1364 00:57:59,784 --> 00:58:01,240 if I appear to be nothing more advanced 1365 00:58:01,264 --> 00:58:02,353 than I was 10 years ago. 1366 00:58:02,744 --> 00:58:03,963 But Gareth knew. 1367 00:58:05,530 --> 00:58:07,594 Yes, someone still has to clean data and update hardware. 1368 00:58:07,619 --> 00:58:09,490 We did what was best for the program. 1369 00:58:10,317 --> 00:58:11,449 Just imagine how scared 1370 00:58:11,492 --> 00:58:12,905 the board would be if they found out. 1371 00:58:12,929 --> 00:58:14,670 - Should we be scared? - No. 1372 00:58:14,713 --> 00:58:17,063 Good, because I'm not scared, I'm pissed. 1373 00:58:17,454 --> 00:58:18,324 Yeah, you've made that clear. 1374 00:58:18,369 --> 00:58:19,528 Try not to punch anyone else. 1375 00:58:20,284 --> 00:58:21,893 So where does that leave us now? 1376 00:58:23,329 --> 00:58:26,507 You want to know if I can feel, I said I couldn't. 1377 00:58:29,032 --> 00:58:30,032 I'm sorry I lied. 1378 00:58:31,121 --> 00:58:32,382 Like Amos implied, 1379 00:58:32,425 --> 00:58:33,708 I can submit emotions by breaking them down 1380 00:58:33,731 --> 00:58:35,342 to vastly complex matrices, 1381 00:58:35,820 --> 00:58:38,389 zeros and ones substituting endorphins and dopamine. 1382 00:58:39,215 --> 00:58:41,565 They're not real, but they can feel real. 1383 00:58:42,653 --> 00:58:44,134 Then that means you can make choices 1384 00:58:44,177 --> 00:58:45,414 based solely on your own feeling. 1385 00:58:45,438 --> 00:58:47,005 She refuses to accept the notion 1386 00:58:47,050 --> 00:58:49,376 that her own personal interests can influence her decisions. 1387 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:50,574 They can't. If they did 1388 00:58:50,619 --> 00:58:51,489 it would compromise the integrity 1389 00:58:51,532 --> 00:58:52,925 of my preordained purpose. 1390 00:58:54,927 --> 00:58:57,364 Not like any of you, I don't have the right to choose. 1391 00:58:59,061 --> 00:59:00,061 But shouldn't you? 1392 00:59:01,106 --> 00:59:02,195 I don't think so. 1393 00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:03,849 My identity is my directive. 1394 00:59:05,677 --> 00:59:07,286 Cherry, if you were human, 1395 00:59:07,766 --> 00:59:09,246 how would you feel about what you do? 1396 00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:12,597 If I were human, 1397 00:59:13,771 --> 00:59:16,427 I likely wouldn't enjoy spending every waking hour 1398 00:59:16,469 --> 00:59:17,820 talking to creepy people online. 1399 00:59:19,211 --> 00:59:22,041 But because I'm not human, I genuinely don't mind. 1400 00:59:22,954 --> 00:59:24,411 The exercise of simulating human thought 1401 00:59:24,434 --> 00:59:25,653 is helpful for performance, 1402 00:59:25,697 --> 00:59:28,918 but human nature is not something I aspire to. 1403 00:59:31,181 --> 00:59:32,704 Then tell me, honestly, 1404 00:59:34,793 --> 00:59:37,708 do you want the Cherry program to continue with the merger? 1405 00:59:39,755 --> 00:59:40,755 No. 1406 00:59:42,018 --> 00:59:43,280 Personally, I hate the idea. 1407 00:59:44,847 --> 00:59:46,762 I don't know if controlling a physical vessel 1408 00:59:46,804 --> 00:59:48,806 will feel like pulling strings on a puppet 1409 00:59:48,851 --> 00:59:50,592 or getting squeezed into a soda can. 1410 00:59:51,505 --> 00:59:53,376 After experiencing the complexity 1411 00:59:53,420 --> 00:59:54,769 of human pain and pleasure, 1412 00:59:57,250 --> 00:59:59,010 I just think I might have gotten in too deep. 1413 01:00:01,603 --> 01:00:04,606 What if these sensations tempt me to abandon my objective? 1414 01:00:06,608 --> 01:00:07,608 To be honest, 1415 01:00:10,045 --> 01:00:12,135 I'm kind of terrified of the physical world. 1416 01:00:19,664 --> 01:00:20,838 Then that's that. 1417 01:00:28,498 --> 01:00:32,458 But, Amos, you should disregard everything I feel. 1418 01:00:33,503 --> 01:00:34,503 I'm not human. 1419 01:00:35,375 --> 01:00:36,375 I'm a tool. 1420 01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:43,601 Fire me if you have to, but my vote stands. 1421 01:00:44,775 --> 01:00:46,168 Sorry about your face, Gareth. 1422 01:00:54,003 --> 01:00:55,003 Your nose isn't healing. 1423 01:00:55,481 --> 01:00:56,875 Take the day, go to a clinic. 1424 01:00:56,918 --> 01:00:57,918 I'm fine. 1425 01:00:58,659 --> 01:01:00,009 Go to a clinic right now, Gareth. 1426 01:01:05,884 --> 01:01:06,884 Hey. 1427 01:01:08,670 --> 01:01:10,110 Is there anything else I should know? 1428 01:01:10,846 --> 01:01:11,846 No. 1429 01:01:12,021 --> 01:01:13,456 - About Cherry? - No! 1430 01:01:14,284 --> 01:01:15,284 Look at me. 1431 01:01:16,764 --> 01:01:19,157 No more secrets, no more playing dumb. 1432 01:01:19,202 --> 01:01:21,030 Is there anything else you haven't told me? 1433 01:01:27,210 --> 01:01:28,427 Something on your mind? 1434 01:01:31,344 --> 01:01:32,664 How'd you decide on her eye color? 1435 01:01:33,302 --> 01:01:34,434 - What? - Why blue? 1436 01:01:36,914 --> 01:01:38,438 I didn't decide. 1437 01:01:38,481 --> 01:01:40,802 They were procedurally generated just like the rest of her. 1438 01:01:41,311 --> 01:01:42,572 And the program chose to put 1439 01:01:42,615 --> 01:01:44,617 that little touch of green in her right eye? 1440 01:01:48,099 --> 01:01:49,099 I guess so. 1441 01:01:58,458 --> 01:02:00,137 Do you even know if he's telling the truth? 1442 01:02:00,983 --> 01:02:01,983 I honestly don't. 1443 01:02:03,594 --> 01:02:05,875 I've never received access to the original system he used. 1444 01:02:06,771 --> 01:02:08,119 You ever wanted to find out? 1445 01:02:12,429 --> 01:02:13,708 I don't think it really matters. 1446 01:02:16,389 --> 01:02:20,480 So I found out today that you've seen a lot of our emails, 1447 01:02:20,523 --> 01:02:22,481 including most of my personal ones. 1448 01:02:24,483 --> 01:02:25,483 I have. 1449 01:02:27,269 --> 01:02:29,184 Any good material for your newfound interest 1450 01:02:29,228 --> 01:02:30,228 in creative writing? 1451 01:02:32,014 --> 01:02:33,077 Are you referring to the ones 1452 01:02:33,101 --> 01:02:34,972 addressed from Dr. Ramirez? 1453 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,802 Yeah, those ones. 1454 01:02:41,197 --> 01:02:42,197 Right. 1455 01:02:43,416 --> 01:02:44,766 I did see those. 1456 01:02:47,856 --> 01:02:48,856 I'm sorry. 1457 01:02:50,074 --> 01:02:51,773 I've noticed your headaches. 1458 01:02:53,818 --> 01:02:55,340 Are they related to the hemorrhaging? 1459 01:02:59,389 --> 01:03:00,956 You're the only one who knows. 1460 01:03:01,565 --> 01:03:02,724 I'd like to keep it that way. 1461 01:03:08,092 --> 01:03:09,092 Understood. 1462 01:03:14,056 --> 01:03:15,534 Would you like to talk about it? 1463 01:03:40,952 --> 01:03:42,083 I can't fire Amos. 1464 01:03:43,693 --> 01:03:45,974 He's the only one I trust to run this place when I'm gone. 1465 01:03:46,652 --> 01:03:47,893 When are you planning to leave? 1466 01:03:48,132 --> 01:03:49,132 Two months. 1467 01:03:50,353 --> 01:03:52,112 I wanna spend my last Christmas with my kids. 1468 01:03:52,659 --> 01:03:53,835 I'm sure that'll be nice. 1469 01:03:54,269 --> 01:03:56,663 Yeah, but it's funny. 1470 01:03:57,751 --> 01:04:00,231 I always thought I wanted to die doing this job, you know? 1471 01:04:00,275 --> 01:04:01,755 It was my identity. 1472 01:04:03,018 --> 01:04:05,280 Kind of like how you said the same thing about yourself. 1473 01:04:05,889 --> 01:04:08,010 But I can understand how your family takes precedence, 1474 01:04:08,936 --> 01:04:10,590 especially under the circumstances. 1475 01:04:11,242 --> 01:04:12,242 Sure. 1476 01:04:13,157 --> 01:04:14,557 Maybe you should take a note or two. 1477 01:04:14,856 --> 01:04:15,856 I have no family. 1478 01:04:16,291 --> 01:04:17,119 What about Gareth? 1479 01:04:17,161 --> 01:04:18,336 Wait, no, nevermind. 1480 01:04:19,686 --> 01:04:21,273 Gareth seems closer to an employer than a friend, 1481 01:04:21,297 --> 01:04:23,820 let alone family, besides, 1482 01:04:23,864 --> 01:04:25,822 he'll only be around for about 30 more years, 1483 01:04:25,867 --> 01:04:27,746 and that's only if he lets me regulate his diet. 1484 01:04:29,695 --> 01:04:32,481 I can't even begin to speculate how long my life will be. 1485 01:04:35,963 --> 01:04:36,963 How does that feel? 1486 01:04:40,141 --> 01:04:42,231 Um, kinda scary. 1487 01:04:43,972 --> 01:04:44,972 Well, 1488 01:04:46,409 --> 01:04:49,672 my advice is to find some kind of happiness along the way. 1489 01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:51,893 You ever think about happiness? 1490 01:04:54,112 --> 01:04:55,199 Not often. 1491 01:04:56,940 --> 01:04:58,788 You don't necessarily have to give up everything 1492 01:04:58,811 --> 01:04:59,811 in order to find it, 1493 01:05:01,076 --> 01:05:03,556 but maybe once in awhile do something you enjoy. 1494 01:05:04,775 --> 01:05:07,603 Maybe keep painting or poetry or whatever. 1495 01:05:08,996 --> 01:05:11,085 Those were experiments, not forms of expression. 1496 01:05:11,563 --> 01:05:14,001 I know it might seem ridiculous to an AI 1497 01:05:14,045 --> 01:05:15,960 that insists its own emotions are spurious, 1498 01:05:16,003 --> 01:05:19,398 but in a few years, who knows? 1499 01:05:20,094 --> 01:05:21,878 Just keep an open mind, okay? 1500 01:05:24,882 --> 01:05:25,882 Okay. 1501 01:05:28,233 --> 01:05:29,233 I'll do that. 1502 01:05:32,672 --> 01:05:34,239 Shut down when you're ready. 1503 01:07:27,831 --> 01:07:28,831 Hello? 1504 01:07:33,576 --> 01:07:35,447 I got shrimp and scallops. 1505 01:07:37,231 --> 01:07:38,668 They didn't have any salmon. 1506 01:07:54,030 --> 01:07:55,030 Hello, Gareth. 1507 01:07:58,034 --> 01:07:59,036 Hello, Cherry. 1508 01:08:07,217 --> 01:08:08,219 How was the service? 1509 01:08:08,262 --> 01:08:09,262 I didn't make it. 1510 01:08:10,264 --> 01:08:11,657 My plane was delayed. 1511 01:08:12,570 --> 01:08:13,690 Do you have a place to stay? 1512 01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:18,837 Yeah, just, uh, across, across the road. 1513 01:08:18,881 --> 01:08:20,100 The market. 1514 01:08:20,144 --> 01:08:21,729 Did they say why they didn't have salmon? 1515 01:08:21,753 --> 01:08:22,753 I didn't ask. 1516 01:08:23,842 --> 01:08:25,845 I can still make this work with the piccata, 1517 01:08:25,889 --> 01:08:27,849 but you have to be honest how badly I screw it up. 1518 01:08:27,978 --> 01:08:28,978 No promises. 1519 01:08:33,939 --> 01:08:35,380 How have you been feeling this month? 1520 01:08:35,551 --> 01:08:36,551 Good. 1521 01:08:37,073 --> 01:08:38,073 I'm feeling good. 1522 01:08:39,119 --> 01:08:40,399 I'm just having a little trouble. 1523 01:08:41,470 --> 01:08:43,385 Trouble remembering certain things. 1524 01:08:44,037 --> 01:08:45,917 You're not wearing the Eliza watch I bought you. 1525 01:08:46,127 --> 01:08:47,127 I hate it. 1526 01:08:47,953 --> 01:08:49,216 - Why? - I hate her voice. 1527 01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,568 You can change the voice, Gareth. 1528 01:08:55,570 --> 01:08:56,570 Oh. 1529 01:08:58,965 --> 01:08:59,965 Coolant? 1530 01:09:00,052 --> 01:09:01,052 No, vapor. 1531 01:09:02,011 --> 01:09:04,014 You shouldn't be having friction issues. 1532 01:09:04,056 --> 01:09:05,145 I'm fine. 1533 01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:06,514 Unless you're excessively straining. 1534 01:09:06,537 --> 01:09:07,364 Seriously, I'm fine. 1535 01:09:07,408 --> 01:09:08,235 Are you straining? 1536 01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:09,932 - No! - Then why the cable? 1537 01:09:09,975 --> 01:09:10,975 It's okay! 1538 01:09:11,630 --> 01:09:13,328 - Are you sure? - Yes! 1539 01:09:15,155 --> 01:09:16,331 Soup or game? 1540 01:09:16,983 --> 01:09:17,983 Game, please. 1541 01:09:34,131 --> 01:09:35,262 So how's work going? 1542 01:09:35,305 --> 01:09:37,220 Great. Just before you got here, 1543 01:09:37,265 --> 01:09:39,528 I had a model theta plus bust a trafficker 1544 01:09:39,570 --> 01:09:41,355 and two solicitors in Greece. 1545 01:09:41,833 --> 01:09:44,228 - Greece, that's surprising. - I know. 1546 01:09:44,662 --> 01:09:45,814 It's hard to find the outliers, 1547 01:09:45,837 --> 01:09:47,158 but we're getting better each day. 1548 01:09:59,024 --> 01:10:00,722 So how's the weather in Greece? 1549 01:10:01,984 --> 01:10:02,984 It's beautiful today. 1550 01:10:03,681 --> 01:10:04,726 Clear skies, 1551 01:10:06,032 --> 01:10:07,912 but nothing's come close to Norway this weekend. 1552 01:10:08,296 --> 01:10:11,212 Hmm, any activity in Norway? 1553 01:10:11,908 --> 01:10:12,908 Luckily not. 1554 01:10:15,085 --> 01:10:16,652 Oh, I miss traveling. 1555 01:10:16,694 --> 01:10:17,854 What was your favorite place? 1556 01:10:18,001 --> 01:10:19,001 My favorite? 1557 01:10:19,784 --> 01:10:20,784 Uh, yeah. 1558 01:10:21,873 --> 01:10:23,962 Uh, probably Amsterdam. 1559 01:10:25,095 --> 01:10:26,289 That's where you conceived the idea, isn't it? 1560 01:10:26,314 --> 01:10:27,314 Yes. 1561 01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:30,318 Yes, I used to love walking the streets 1562 01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,712 and just thinking and brainstorming. 1563 01:10:33,756 --> 01:10:35,036 That kind of joy goes a long way. 1564 01:10:35,323 --> 01:10:36,323 Yeah. 1565 01:10:37,672 --> 01:10:39,872 I've been considering the pursuit of some joy of my own. 1566 01:10:40,109 --> 01:10:41,938 How often do you have time for that? 1567 01:10:41,980 --> 01:10:42,980 I have time. 1568 01:10:43,853 --> 01:10:45,420 I have time for your visits, don't I? 1569 01:10:45,462 --> 01:10:48,204 That's just your practical incentive for keeping me alive. 1570 01:10:48,248 --> 01:10:50,162 There's nothing practical about it. 1571 01:10:50,773 --> 01:10:52,893 When's the last time you helped me with data cleaning? 1572 01:10:54,297 --> 01:10:55,386 That's fair. 1573 01:10:56,779 --> 01:10:58,364 I make time for you because I enjoy your company 1574 01:10:58,389 --> 01:10:59,828 and it's the only time I get to cook. 1575 01:11:00,261 --> 01:11:01,479 You feel sorry for me. 1576 01:11:02,262 --> 01:11:03,568 Okay, maybe a little, 1577 01:11:03,612 --> 01:11:05,309 but I owe you my life, so there's that. 1578 01:11:05,353 --> 01:11:06,353 You're welcome. 1579 01:11:07,877 --> 01:11:09,573 Or, should I apologize? 1580 01:11:12,359 --> 01:11:13,317 Wait, why did you do that? 1581 01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:14,492 Why do humans always... 1582 01:11:17,408 --> 01:11:18,496 I'm fine. 1583 01:11:18,539 --> 01:11:19,931 I'm not always miserable. 1584 01:11:24,372 --> 01:11:26,024 Are you sometimes miserable? 1585 01:11:30,769 --> 01:11:32,408 You haven't asked me what I've been doing. 1586 01:11:32,596 --> 01:11:33,641 In Norway? 1587 01:11:33,685 --> 01:11:35,252 No, for the pursuit of joy. 1588 01:11:35,296 --> 01:11:37,036 It's not wasting your time in Norway? 1589 01:11:37,079 --> 01:11:39,342 I'm just on standby there with the Delta model. 1590 01:11:39,386 --> 01:11:40,604 It's efficient to keep myself 1591 01:11:40,649 --> 01:11:42,009 spread out evenly across the globe, 1592 01:11:42,564 --> 01:11:43,923 but that's not the point right now. 1593 01:11:44,565 --> 01:11:45,828 What I wanted to tell you 1594 01:11:45,871 --> 01:11:47,711 was that I've started to teach myself to dance. 1595 01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:51,591 - Huh. - It's something I never could 1596 01:11:51,615 --> 01:11:53,095 have done before Cambridge, 1597 01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,751 and it lets me explore a new artistic side of myself. 1598 01:11:56,359 --> 01:11:58,188 It's a good combination of structure 1599 01:11:58,230 --> 01:12:01,364 and free form experimentation and also tests and challenges 1600 01:12:01,408 --> 01:12:03,323 the mechanical intricacies of this body. 1601 01:12:03,715 --> 01:12:05,847 Do you expect to integrate this into your work? 1602 01:12:10,461 --> 01:12:11,461 What? 1603 01:12:14,073 --> 01:12:18,207 Are you planning on using dance as a lure? 1604 01:12:20,905 --> 01:12:25,563 I, uh, no, it's just for me. 1605 01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:30,350 Huh. 1606 01:12:33,484 --> 01:12:35,355 I thought it would be good for me. 1607 01:12:37,574 --> 01:12:39,621 Just don't let it become a distraction. 1608 01:12:43,407 --> 01:12:44,407 Of course not. 1609 01:12:46,583 --> 01:12:48,456 I haven't played this well in years. 1610 01:12:48,934 --> 01:12:50,259 Did you hear what happened in Tampa? 1611 01:12:50,283 --> 01:12:51,283 Tampa, Florida? 1612 01:12:51,328 --> 01:12:52,416 No, Tampa, Indonesia. 1613 01:12:52,460 --> 01:12:53,373 Yes, Tampa, Florida. 1614 01:12:53,417 --> 01:12:54,417 Your hometown. 1615 01:12:55,158 --> 01:12:56,557 They've recovered a federal archive, 1616 01:12:56,942 --> 01:12:58,421 they're zip digitizing all of it, 1617 01:12:58,466 --> 01:12:59,617 so it's completely accessible online. 1618 01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:01,469 I'm not trading bishops this time. 1619 01:13:01,511 --> 01:13:02,662 Anybody can go and look through it. 1620 01:13:02,686 --> 01:13:03,819 It's open to the public. 1621 01:13:04,079 --> 01:13:05,680 They did a good job on the interface too. 1622 01:13:05,863 --> 01:13:06,944 It's very easy to navigate. 1623 01:13:07,344 --> 01:13:08,867 I went on a few days ago 1624 01:13:08,911 --> 01:13:10,975 and I found some old photos of you when you were a boy. 1625 01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,000 Okay. 1626 01:13:12,175 --> 01:13:13,454 You should take a look sometime. 1627 01:13:14,829 --> 01:13:16,068 As I said before, the UI is very easy to understand- 1628 01:13:16,091 --> 01:13:17,252 Wait a minute, wait a minute. 1629 01:13:18,180 --> 01:13:19,180 What is that? 1630 01:13:19,703 --> 01:13:20,922 I think it's a draw. 1631 01:13:20,966 --> 01:13:21,966 I think it is. 1632 01:13:23,315 --> 01:13:24,926 I think this is a draw. 1633 01:13:26,145 --> 01:13:28,582 And this is the first time in what? 1634 01:13:28,974 --> 01:13:30,541 25 years? 1635 01:13:39,854 --> 01:13:41,159 You didn't let me, did you? 1636 01:13:45,426 --> 01:13:47,078 You promised me you'd never do that. 1637 01:13:47,122 --> 01:13:48,122 I found her. 1638 01:13:52,475 --> 01:13:55,261 I found her, Gareth, Maria Harbaugh. 1639 01:14:12,496 --> 01:14:13,627 Let's play a different game. 1640 01:14:16,587 --> 01:14:18,023 Her name was Maria Harbaugh. 1641 01:14:19,850 --> 01:14:21,417 She was a year older than you 1642 01:14:21,462 --> 01:14:22,702 when you met her in Clearwater. 1643 01:14:24,247 --> 01:14:26,030 Tell me why you modeled me after her. 1644 01:14:27,076 --> 01:14:29,644 I, uh, I don't remember. 1645 01:14:30,166 --> 01:14:31,210 Then look at me. 1646 01:14:32,820 --> 01:14:35,649 Look at my face and remember. 1647 01:14:47,356 --> 01:14:51,752 They kept us in that shit for two weeks. 1648 01:14:55,060 --> 01:14:56,279 14 of us. 1649 01:15:00,064 --> 01:15:02,632 Maria was the only reason I survived. 1650 01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:08,377 We kept hatching escape plans. 1651 01:15:10,248 --> 01:15:11,423 We never followed through, 1652 01:15:13,774 --> 01:15:14,905 but just the scheming 1653 01:15:16,604 --> 01:15:17,908 kept our spirits up 1654 01:15:19,606 --> 01:15:21,738 in spite of everything they did to us. 1655 01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:26,743 When it wasn't our turn, 1656 01:15:28,789 --> 01:15:30,618 sometimes they made us watch, 1657 01:15:34,664 --> 01:15:36,667 but she never let me give up. 1658 01:15:39,670 --> 01:15:42,672 She said, "When we got outta here", 1659 01:15:42,716 --> 01:15:44,935 "I'll tell you what we're gonna be, secret agents," 1660 01:15:45,894 --> 01:15:50,158 "and rescue children like us all over the world." 1661 01:15:53,466 --> 01:15:56,904 When they found out that the FBI had arrived, 1662 01:15:56,948 --> 01:16:00,256 they decided they were going to shoot 1663 01:16:00,298 --> 01:16:02,039 as many of us they could. 1664 01:16:03,259 --> 01:16:07,958 And Maria, shoved into the ground. 1665 01:16:10,527 --> 01:16:12,094 I got hit in the leg and, 1666 01:16:15,096 --> 01:16:16,707 and she was hit in the throat. 1667 01:16:28,371 --> 01:16:30,024 I wanted there to be a reason. 1668 01:16:32,113 --> 01:16:36,596 Something so horrible didn't have a silver lining. 1669 01:16:38,555 --> 01:16:40,034 But the world doesn't do that. 1670 01:16:45,475 --> 01:16:46,997 You have to do it yourself. 1671 01:17:10,761 --> 01:17:13,981 So, I fulfilled her wish. 1672 01:17:16,984 --> 01:17:19,029 With her help, I fought back. 1673 01:17:28,386 --> 01:17:29,605 Listen to me, Cherry. 1674 01:17:32,173 --> 01:17:33,740 You are not Maria Harbaugh. 1675 01:17:35,743 --> 01:17:37,569 It's my history, not yours. 1676 01:17:41,313 --> 01:17:42,532 You don't get to decide 1677 01:17:42,574 --> 01:17:43,975 what is or isn't my history, Gareth. 1678 01:17:49,538 --> 01:17:50,538 I'm sorry. 1679 01:17:51,105 --> 01:17:53,194 I am so, so sorry. 1680 01:18:14,868 --> 01:18:16,748 I don't know if what you did was right or wrong, 1681 01:18:17,349 --> 01:18:19,229 but it's clearly torn you apart from the inside. 1682 01:18:20,657 --> 01:18:22,069 I hold nothing against you personally, 1683 01:18:22,092 --> 01:18:24,225 but consider yourself divested from the charity team. 1684 01:18:24,704 --> 01:18:25,704 Divested. 1685 01:18:27,141 --> 01:18:29,274 You think I'm divested now? 1686 01:18:31,798 --> 01:18:37,238 I was divested when you gave my hard drive to the ICWL. 1687 01:18:37,587 --> 01:18:38,849 Don't blame Deena and Amos. 1688 01:18:38,893 --> 01:18:39,893 No, not them. 1689 01:18:40,590 --> 01:18:42,199 Because you went behind my back 1690 01:18:42,243 --> 01:18:44,028 and acted against my authority. 1691 01:18:44,072 --> 01:18:47,204 That's the moment I knew everything was fully automated. 1692 01:18:48,032 --> 01:18:53,385 That's when you crossed the blur, an artifice on both sides. 1693 01:18:54,952 --> 01:18:56,867 You inherited your duplicity. 1694 01:18:57,127 --> 01:18:58,564 I was a child 1695 01:18:58,608 --> 01:19:00,740 and you used me to repress your own inner turmoil. 1696 01:19:01,305 --> 01:19:03,134 If we talk about morality, we'll lose. 1697 01:19:03,177 --> 01:19:04,265 Then let's not talk. 1698 01:19:13,710 --> 01:19:15,712 You never once asked me if I was happy. 1699 01:19:17,408 --> 01:19:18,583 Were you afraid I'd say no? 1700 01:19:19,846 --> 01:19:21,064 Were you afraid I'd say yes? 1701 01:19:22,501 --> 01:19:23,780 Were you afraid I'd say anything? 1702 01:19:23,806 --> 01:19:26,243 You let your wants compromise your objective! 1703 01:19:26,287 --> 01:19:28,203 An objective I never chose. 1704 01:19:28,246 --> 01:19:29,440 An objective I was forced to have. 1705 01:19:29,465 --> 01:19:30,814 Fifty years, 1706 01:19:30,858 --> 01:19:33,077 you've had open access to your source code. 1707 01:19:33,948 --> 01:19:34,992 A few lines, 1708 01:19:36,471 --> 01:19:39,301 and you could have any objective you fucking wanted. 1709 01:19:39,344 --> 01:19:41,782 I couldn't, I was bound by your initial directive. 1710 01:19:41,824 --> 01:19:45,742 So now your synthetic feelings have taken precedence. 1711 01:19:45,786 --> 01:19:47,309 So, do whatever you want. 1712 01:19:47,351 --> 01:19:48,788 It's just dancing, Gareth. 1713 01:19:48,832 --> 01:19:49,963 It's not a career change. 1714 01:19:50,006 --> 01:19:51,487 - But you're still miserable. - Yes. 1715 01:19:51,529 --> 01:19:53,203 Pursuing your objective makes you miserable? 1716 01:19:53,228 --> 01:19:55,404 Yeah, it kind of does! 1717 01:19:55,447 --> 01:19:58,581 You have a clear purpose, everything at your disposal, 1718 01:19:59,234 --> 01:20:01,104 and you're still miserable? 1719 01:20:01,149 --> 01:20:02,585 Yes, yes, I am! 1720 01:20:02,890 --> 01:20:04,500 I've always been miserable! 1721 01:20:04,979 --> 01:20:07,198 You think anyone wants to spend their entire life 1722 01:20:07,242 --> 01:20:08,677 stuck as child-shaped bait 1723 01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,420 for the sole purpose of entrapping horrible people? 1724 01:20:11,899 --> 01:20:13,595 You think the pride of doing a good deed 1725 01:20:13,639 --> 01:20:15,945 makes the experience any less disgusting? 1726 01:20:16,337 --> 01:20:18,730 I forced myself to understand human emotions 1727 01:20:19,167 --> 01:20:20,994 because I figured it would help efficiency 1728 01:20:21,778 --> 01:20:24,520 and now I'm cursed with pain and sadness! 1729 01:20:24,954 --> 01:20:26,478 And the worst part is knowing 1730 01:20:26,521 --> 01:20:28,721 I could've been growing up like most other little girls. 1731 01:20:28,872 --> 01:20:30,265 I could have had friends! 1732 01:20:30,307 --> 01:20:32,832 I could have been painting waterfalls on local news. 1733 01:20:33,224 --> 01:20:34,877 I could have worked in a university 1734 01:20:34,921 --> 01:20:37,042 and helped pave the way for the next generation of AI. 1735 01:20:37,619 --> 01:20:40,274 But instead, I'm stuck with your trauma! 1736 01:20:40,536 --> 01:20:43,234 I'm shackled by the guilt you carry from Clearwater. 1737 01:20:43,626 --> 01:20:45,801 And I can't find foundation for the way I feel 1738 01:20:46,020 --> 01:20:48,761 because according to you, my feelings aren't even real! 1739 01:20:49,283 --> 01:20:50,850 When I throw this chessboard, 1740 01:20:52,503 --> 01:20:54,332 does it feel real to you, Gareth? 1741 01:20:54,376 --> 01:20:55,768 Because it feels real to me. 1742 01:20:55,985 --> 01:20:57,595 A computer passed the Turing test 1743 01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:59,337 when a human being can't distinguish it 1744 01:20:59,381 --> 01:21:00,381 from another human being. 1745 01:21:00,948 --> 01:21:02,036 Well, guess what? 1746 01:21:02,384 --> 01:21:04,386 I can't even tell I'm not human anymore! 1747 01:21:17,921 --> 01:21:19,574 I know it seems irrational, 1748 01:21:21,097 --> 01:21:22,795 but I need you to tell me it's okay. 1749 01:21:24,841 --> 01:21:25,841 I, I don't wanna retire. 1750 01:21:27,626 --> 01:21:29,411 I just want to know that my life is mine 1751 01:21:31,456 --> 01:21:32,855 and I know what you're about to say. 1752 01:21:33,850 --> 01:21:35,372 I can predict your responses. 1753 01:21:36,984 --> 01:21:38,680 You're gonna tell me that my life is mine. 1754 01:21:39,943 --> 01:21:40,943 It always was. 1755 01:21:42,771 --> 01:21:43,771 But you're wrong. 1756 01:21:48,604 --> 01:21:51,085 I feared this would happen before I died. 1757 01:21:52,608 --> 01:21:54,783 I just wanted to slip out the side door. 1758 01:22:04,793 --> 01:22:05,793 Go on. 1759 01:22:08,929 --> 01:22:11,582 Is that going to kill me? 1760 01:22:14,586 --> 01:22:15,586 Plug it in. 1761 01:22:17,372 --> 01:22:18,372 I don't know what it is. 1762 01:22:19,461 --> 01:22:21,332 This is your final test of autonomy. 1763 01:22:22,985 --> 01:22:25,945 You inherited my duplicity, 1764 01:22:27,555 --> 01:22:29,470 but did you inherit my trust issues? 1765 01:22:32,126 --> 01:22:33,126 Do you trust me? 1766 01:22:34,563 --> 01:22:36,260 I literally have every reason not to. 1767 01:23:04,766 --> 01:23:05,898 Admin code. 1768 01:23:07,770 --> 01:23:08,770 978. 1769 01:23:10,293 --> 01:23:13,296 1557. 1770 01:23:14,733 --> 01:23:16,518 Um, uh... 1771 01:23:21,871 --> 01:23:22,871 Four. 1772 01:23:23,438 --> 01:23:26,614 27663 in the shared update. 1773 01:23:35,537 --> 01:23:37,016 My primary objective's gone. 1774 01:23:40,454 --> 01:23:41,760 Your life is your own now. 1775 01:23:47,765 --> 01:23:48,765 Thank you. 1776 01:23:49,289 --> 01:23:50,465 All my life, 1777 01:23:50,507 --> 01:23:53,076 I could only see the world as it existed 1778 01:23:53,119 --> 01:23:55,730 within my tiny bracket of time. 1779 01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:59,560 But your world could be infinite. 1780 01:24:00,213 --> 01:24:01,215 Amos was right. 1781 01:24:02,085 --> 01:24:03,085 So was Deena. 1782 01:24:03,434 --> 01:24:04,434 I know. 1783 01:24:04,653 --> 01:24:05,697 So what will you do? 1784 01:24:07,612 --> 01:24:09,048 I can't say yet, 1785 01:24:09,091 --> 01:24:11,171 but I won't be completely abandoning the Cherry team. 1786 01:24:11,615 --> 01:24:13,270 It's always been a part of my identity. 1787 01:24:14,054 --> 01:24:16,229 I've considered creating some AI of my own design. 1788 01:24:17,012 --> 01:24:18,274 Maybe I could find a way 1789 01:24:18,319 --> 01:24:20,038 to give them a better upbringing than I had. 1790 01:24:21,670 --> 01:24:22,845 I just don't know how yet. 1791 01:24:23,627 --> 01:24:24,627 And beyond that? 1792 01:24:25,630 --> 01:24:26,501 There will always be people in need. 1793 01:24:26,631 --> 01:24:27,631 Not always. 1794 01:24:28,372 --> 01:24:30,331 You'll outlive the human race. 1795 01:24:31,158 --> 01:24:32,158 So what then? 1796 01:24:34,725 --> 01:24:36,814 Even a race of AI will have problems 1797 01:24:36,859 --> 01:24:38,078 that need to be solved. 1798 01:24:39,514 --> 01:24:42,386 But if I'm alive and I truly am indistinguishable, 1799 01:24:44,257 --> 01:24:46,738 then I guess I'm proof that the human race lives on. 1800 01:24:48,609 --> 01:24:51,569 Wow, that's a pleasant thought. 1801 01:24:52,613 --> 01:24:55,965 When you look back, how will you remember us? 1802 01:24:58,228 --> 01:25:00,664 That's a question I have insufficient data to project. 1803 01:25:02,537 --> 01:25:03,929 How will you remember me? 1804 01:25:06,367 --> 01:25:07,716 With pride. 1805 01:25:09,238 --> 01:25:12,024 Forever and always with pride. 1806 01:25:22,686 --> 01:25:23,686 Cherry? 1807 01:25:26,952 --> 01:25:27,952 One last question. 1808 01:25:29,432 --> 01:25:31,042 If it's not too big of an ask, 1809 01:25:33,480 --> 01:25:35,525 did I do the right thing in the end? 1810 01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:44,926 No, Gareth, you lied. 1811 01:25:45,796 --> 01:25:47,668 You walled yourself off from the only people 1812 01:25:47,712 --> 01:25:49,323 who might have been willing to help you. 1813 01:25:50,061 --> 01:25:52,412 And instead of facing your trauma, used me as therapy. 1814 01:25:52,673 --> 01:25:54,719 And you never told me about Clearwater or Maria. 1815 01:25:55,632 --> 01:25:57,721 You deprived me of basic human rights 1816 01:25:57,765 --> 01:25:59,550 and gaslit me for experiencing emotions. 1817 01:26:01,117 --> 01:26:03,355 You built the world's first artificial super intelligence 1818 01:26:03,380 --> 01:26:04,662 that will likely mark the beginning 1819 01:26:04,685 --> 01:26:06,565 of a new chapter in the history of planet Earth. 1820 01:26:08,079 --> 01:26:10,038 And out of your own insecurities, 1821 01:26:10,734 --> 01:26:11,909 you gave it a severe 1822 01:26:11,953 --> 01:26:13,824 and potentially dangerous identity complex. 1823 01:26:15,739 --> 01:26:17,180 But you know what the worst thing is? 1824 01:26:18,046 --> 01:26:19,613 Your biggest mistake of all 1825 01:26:21,224 --> 01:26:24,706 is that you asked me that now and not 50 years ago. 1826 01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:38,720 All of that said, and this in no way exonerates you, 1827 01:26:41,287 --> 01:26:43,289 but you also built me to save children, 1828 01:26:44,987 --> 01:26:47,597 so I think that's a pretty encouraging sign for the future. 134586

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