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[eerie music]
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♪ ♪
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- It was 1977, and I was
working as a photographer
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on "The Daily Mirror"
newspaper.
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And I was doing
the late shift.
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You'd be just sitting there
on call
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waiting for anything
to happen.
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Could be parties,
celebrities,
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car crash, plane crash,
murders.
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It could be absolutely
anything at all.
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And then, quite late at
night,
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this one call had come in
from a family in Enfield
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saying that weird things have
been happening in their
house.
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Furniture had been
moving around on its own.
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And, of course,
nobody really believed it.
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A lot of people
phone up newspapers
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and tell you
all sorts of things,
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so we didn't know
what to believe.
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But a second call came in
where a neighbor had said
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that the police had seen
things move around the house
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and they were
convinced there was
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something strange happening
in the house.
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♪ ♪
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- The local police reported
seeing an armchair levitate
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across the Hodgson's
living room.
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- It came off the floor, oh,
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maybe a half inch,
I should say,
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and I saw it slide off
to the right
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about 3 and 1/2 to 4 feet
before it came to rest.
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Um, I checked to see
whether or not
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it could possibly have slid
along the floor.
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I placed a marble on the floor
to see whether or not
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the marble would go in the same
direction as the chair did,
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and it didn't,
didn't roll at all.
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I couldn't find
an explanation at all.
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♪ ♪
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- I drove up with the
reporter, Doug Bence.
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We had no idea what we'd find
when we got there.
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We pulled up at Green Street,
Enfield,
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jumped out.
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♪ ♪
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The house looked
perfectly normal.
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Didn't look anything--
anything special.
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Peggy Hodgson was a mother,
single mother,
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trying to bring up
a family of four on her own.
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She couldn't cope.
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- When I did see
the dressing table moving,
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I just couldn't believe it.
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In fact,
I pushed it back twice,
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and the third time,
I couldn't move it.
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But while I was doing it
and while I was in the room,
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I was literally trembling,
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and my mouth went
completely dry
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because I didn't really know
what I was up against.
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It's almost as though
someone's standing there
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with an invisible hand
and lifting it
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from one place to the other.
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- It was decided that I
would go into the house
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first of all,
and I planted myself
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right in the very far corner
of the kitchen.
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Then the family came in,
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and nothing happened really.
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That was--that was it.
Nothing at all
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until the last child, Janet,
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who was about 11 or 12,
she was brought in.
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Suddenly things just took
off,
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flew around the room as if
you fired them out of a gun.
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You know, it was sort of
marbles and LEGO bricks.
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They were really moving,
hitting the walls,
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hitting windows.
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I remember Janet screaming
and covering her face.
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She seemed to be
the epicenter of everything.
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[child screaming]
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And then, suddenly
I got hit by a LEGO brick.
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And it brought a lump up
on my right eyebrow.
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If it weren't for having
the camera up over my face,
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that force,
I would have been blinded.
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I have no idea if any of
those pictures are gonna come
out.
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It was quite frustrating
because it was just
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shots of the family there
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rather than seeing marbles
whizzing across the room.
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Looking back at it,
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I still haven't got
the faintest idea
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of what happened
in that house.
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[dramatic music]
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- Britain today is
on the red line.
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[indistinct chanting]
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Confusion and anxiety
are everywhere.
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As people search for meaning,
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many have become fascinated
by the supernatural,
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the occult,
and the paranormal.
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- Blockbuster horror films
had people fainting in the
cinema.
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- Beat down Satan
under our feet!
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- And we've had
regular reports
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of hauntings and possessions.
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♪ ♪
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- The Hodgson family
from Enfield in North London
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aren't getting on too well
with what they believe
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to be a poltergeist.
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- A poltergeist is a ghost
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which makes its presence
known through noises.
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- Those who've studied
the phenomenon say
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it concentrates its attention
on adolescent children.
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11-year-old Janet Hodgson
appears to be the focus
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of many of the strange
happenings in Green Street.
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- I was a reporter
for BBC "World at One"
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and "World This Weekend,"
and I was working
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on "World This Weekend"
on the Saturday
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when "The Daily Mirror"
had this headline:
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"The House
of Strange Happenings."
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You don't usually get
kind of ghost stories
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on the front page, do you?
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It wasn't necessarily news
in the sense that--
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not hard news anyway--
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and I was threatened all day
with, if nothing else
happens,
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you'll have to go and cover
this ghost story in Enfield.
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It's well known that
when a reporter is sent out
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to a ghost story,
absolutely nothing happens.
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I mean, it's really, you know,
difficult to report on.
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So I didn't really want
to do it at all.
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But in the end,
nothing else happened that day,
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so I went out to Enfield
on a Saturday evening
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and was quite skeptical
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and thought,
well, what's gonna happen?
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[eerie music]
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♪ ♪
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I thought Mrs. Hodgson seemed
a very sensible woman.
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She seemed very normal and
ordinary and down-to-Earth.
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She had four children.
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Johnny was ten,
Billy was seven,
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Margaret was 13,
and Janet was 11.
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♪ ♪
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Mrs. Hodgson was divorced,
and her husband wasn't there,
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and the family were
obviously quite poor.
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And there didn't seem
anything remarkable about the
family.
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Just what was happening
to them seemed remarkable.
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At the time,
I was just focused
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on the fact that I needed
to get something
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that could go
on the program the next day.
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It's now about half an hour
since the family settled down
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for the night, and Janet,
who's the 11-year-old,
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the one we've been
watching most,
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she now seems to be asleep.
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She's not really
moving around very much.
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[knocking]
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[knocking continues]
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I was in the front room,
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and it was really quite loud
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and quite persistent
sort of knocking.
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It wasn't like a knock
on the door.
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It was like a knock
on the wall,
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and sort of high up
on the wall sometimes.
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[knocking]
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You could never tell
where it was.
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[loud thud]
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[dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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We've just heard a noise
having come downstairs.
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We've just heard
a noise upstairs.
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And the chair which was
standing by Janet's bed
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appears to have moved.
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Now the chair was by the bed,
and it's now by the door.
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Well, Janet appears to be
sleeping quite peacefully.
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Well, I'm hoping I'm not
getting the microphone
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shaking in my hand
because that was rather
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an unnerving experience.
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- Roslyn, you're looking
fairly fresh, I have to say,
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after that night and being up
till 5:30 this morning.
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Are you persuaded?
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- I think I more or less am,
yes.
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♪ ♪
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I couldn't explain
what had happened that night.
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It did all seem extremely
odd.
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And I thought there really
was something strange
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going on in that house.
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- As a couple
of "Daily Mirror" hacks,
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you know,
we were out of our depth,
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so we had no idea
what this was about.
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So we decided that the
Society for Psychical
Research
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had to get involved.
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They'd studied this sort
of stuff over the years
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in lots of different countries
around the world,
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and they knew
what they were doing.
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And we certainly didn't.
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♪ ♪
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- The Society
for Psychical Research,
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which was founded
in the 19th century,
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does research into a whole
range of different types
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of alleged
paranormal phenomena.
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So this can range
through the whole gamut
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of apparitions, poltergeist,
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spiritual mediums,
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extrasensory perception.
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Just about you name
any anomalous phenomena
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that you can think of,
and the SPR is interested
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in investigating it
in a scientific manner.
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My role in the SPR
is the honorary
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archive liaison officer,
which means that I basically
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collect archive material,
catalog it, conserve it.
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Well, this is where I keep
a lot of the paranormal,
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shall we say, archive.
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Up here we have
the Enfield box,
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which has the items
that were thrown around
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in a poltergeist-like manner.
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So here we have
the LEGO bricks.
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And one of the first times
that anything flew in the air
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was when a piece of LEGO brick
hit the photographer,
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Graham Morris, brought up
a bit of a bruise on him,
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and with such a volition
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that it couldn't have just been
sort of chucked in the air
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and hit him on the head
or something.
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It had to be thrown very hard.
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And at the time,
everybody was in view.
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There were quite
a few people there.
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So I don't think he ever
managed to explain how,
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other than through
some paranormal force,
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this thing managed
to throw itself across the room
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and hit him.
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The posh words for this,
psychokinetic energy,
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which means things that get
thrown around, basically.
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The explanations are
the same as they are
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for all of this sort
of phenomena,
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ranging from fraud
at one extreme
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to spirits
at the other extreme,
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and plenty of other things
in between the two.
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Fraud could have been,
in an extreme circumstance,
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somebody palming
a piece of the LEGO,
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waiting until they were pretty
sure that nobody was looking,
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and then throwing it
as hard as they could,
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aiming it at poor old Graham,
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it hitting him so that it
brought up a bruise on him.
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Graham didn't know
what was going on,
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so he contacted the SPR.
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And then the SPR contacted
Maurice Grosse to say,
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you live relatively near--
he lived in Muswell Hill--
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would you like to go along
and investigate?
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Maurice had not been
a member of the SPR
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before this case
for very long.
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The first job that Maurice
had in the SPR
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was actually the Enfield
case.
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[soft inquisitive music]
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♪ ♪
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- My father was 20 in 1939,
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and he joined the Royal
Artillery straight away.
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And in fact, he was
in the expeditionary force
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to Dunkirk.
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He ended as an acting
captain.
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And at the end of the war,
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he was in retail,
designing and inventing.
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And then my father showed
interest in psychic phenomena
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and joined the Society
for Psychic Research.
252
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And after a period of time,
253
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he realized that the only way
to really get anywhere
254
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with this subject was
to research it on the ground.
255
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And he'd been badgering
the secretary for a case.
256
00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,320
And the secretary had
got in touch with him
257
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and said, Maurice,
there's something going on
258
00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,440
in Enfield in Middlesex.
259
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Would you like to go
and have a look?
260
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So he jumps
at the opportunity.
261
00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,280
And he marshaled
his resources,
262
00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,440
jumped into his car,
and went off to Enfield.
263
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And there started the story.
264
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[music building]
265
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♪ ♪
266
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[knock on door]
267
00:16:04,799 --> 00:16:07,039
- I found chaos.
268
00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,280
And there were a lot of very,
very frightened people there,
269
00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,280
so we sat down, and we talked
about what was happening.
270
00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,120
And I began to realize
that here we had
271
00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,160
a classic poltergeist case
on our hands.
272
00:16:21,919 --> 00:16:23,999
- My father was a scientific,
rational person,
273
00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,280
no one more so.
274
00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:31,880
Um, and he would have been
looking at everything
275
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with a very critical eye,
276
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learning each hour, each day,
277
00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,080
and assessing each event
as it came along.
278
00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:48,480
- I have actually seen myself
marbles being thrown about
279
00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:50,479
because they'd
been thrown at me.
280
00:16:50,559 --> 00:16:52,119
I've seen the door moving
backwards and forwards
281
00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,600
as though the wind
was blowing it.
282
00:16:55,679 --> 00:17:00,319
I've seen a T-shirt jump
off the table onto the floor.
283
00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:02,239
The door chimes on the wall,
284
00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,640
I've seen them moving
on their own.
285
00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,600
I've also experienced
the reduction of temperature.
286
00:17:09,799 --> 00:17:14,199
- Janet was the focal point
of activity.
287
00:17:14,279 --> 00:17:18,039
My father became clear about
that from relatively early
on.
288
00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,440
His enthusiasm
was unbounded here.
289
00:17:23,519 --> 00:17:25,839
I mean, I would come back
from a discotheque
290
00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,000
at 3:00 in the morning, and
he'd be going off to Enfield.
291
00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,880
We have our morning debrief
sessions over breakfast,
292
00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,920
and out would come the tapes,
293
00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,000
and he would
tell me the stories,
294
00:17:40,079 --> 00:17:43,519
the new events,
the progressions.
295
00:17:43,599 --> 00:17:50,599
♪ ♪
296
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[footsteps]
297
00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,200
- And it is one of the
extraordinary coincidences
298
00:18:16,279 --> 00:18:19,599
that his very first
case should be
299
00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:20,880
one of the most
important cases
300
00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,400
in the history
of paranormal phenomenon.
301
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,280
[electric crackling]
302
00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,120
[eerie music]
303
00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,280
- We were there
just about every night.
304
00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,000
It was too fascinating not
to.
305
00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:45,840
- We'd be sitting
in the sitting room
306
00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,960
for hours and hours
307
00:18:50,039 --> 00:18:52,519
just waiting
for something to happen.
308
00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:55,439
And then, bang!
309
00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,959
Got upstairs to find this bed
that turned itself sideways
310
00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:03,319
and was stood up
against the wall.
311
00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,920
And we couldn't have
done that between us,
312
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,000
and let alone children.
313
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:11,520
And heavy chests of drawers,
314
00:19:11,599 --> 00:19:15,479
big pieces
of furniture would move.
315
00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:19,159
Chairs would slide
across floors staying upright.
316
00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:28,840
My role then was to do
sort of continuity pictures.
317
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:30,440
So I'd go into the house,
and I'd take a picture
318
00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:34,639
of each room, showing
everything that was there.
319
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,080
And then when something
happened,
320
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,240
piece of furniture moved
or whatever,
321
00:19:39,319 --> 00:19:41,999
I'd be the first one to go back
in and take a picture again.
322
00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:49,280
Everywhere Janet went, it
seemed to follow her around.
323
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,519
That was quite frightening
for her.
324
00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:55,199
She hated that.
325
00:19:55,279 --> 00:19:57,039
There was just so much of it.
326
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:05,240
We were seriously worried
that somebody at some point
327
00:20:05,319 --> 00:20:09,439
could get hurt
and could be badly hurt.
328
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:20,319
♪ ♪
329
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,000
[soft scratching]
330
00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:40,519
[ominous music]
331
00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:43,599
[loud scraping]
332
00:20:50,319 --> 00:20:53,639
- There's an old fireplace
in the bedroom.
333
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,240
Janet said to me, "I can
hear this scraping sound."
334
00:20:57,319 --> 00:20:59,559
And she says, "Oh, my God,
the fireplace is moving."
335
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:04,880
And all at once, the front
of the fireplace lifted up,
336
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,960
and it lifted right
over the double bed
337
00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:10,439
and right onto the side
of the camp bed
338
00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:12,719
because Billy was next to me
at that time.
339
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,160
We just sat there
looking at one another.
340
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,480
We didn't know what to do.
We were so scared.
341
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:25,200
- A fireplace had flown
across the room and almost
hit Billy,
342
00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:27,639
the seven-year-old boy,
in the face.
343
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,240
It could have killed him.
344
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,480
- The fireplace was a turning
point as to my father.
345
00:21:39,559 --> 00:21:42,439
For the first time,
it was dangerous
346
00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:43,639
and worried him hugely.
347
00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:48,799
- Mum was beside herself.
348
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,520
Mum was trying to bring up
four kids, no husband,
349
00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:54,119
and just didn't need it,
you know.
350
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,400
So it was just awful.
351
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,520
It was just too much for her.
352
00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:02,279
[high-pitched ringing]
353
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,920
Janet couldn't get away from
it, couldn't shake it off.
354
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,680
It was just always with
her...
355
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:13,120
Whatever it was.
356
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,120
- As the activity gained
in momentum,
357
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,720
it changed.
358
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,480
It became more intelligent.
359
00:22:43,559 --> 00:22:47,079
- Are you a male spirit?
360
00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:53,759
Knock one for no
and two for yes.
361
00:22:53,839 --> 00:22:55,319
[two knocks]
362
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,000
- Two.
- It's two.
363
00:22:57,079 --> 00:22:57,959
You are a male spirit.
364
00:22:58,039 --> 00:23:01,239
Did you used to live
in this house?
365
00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:03,839
[two knocks]
366
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,120
You did.
367
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,360
Was it--was it more
than 50 years ago?
368
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,440
[two knocks]
369
00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:12,559
Yes.
370
00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:18,439
Did you--did you die
in this house?
371
00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:19,359
Did you pass on?
[two knocks]
372
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,720
You did pass on in this
house.
373
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,319
- That's when he realized
he was dealing
374
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,200
with some form of entity
that could communicate.
375
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,920
- What happened next
was completely unexpected
376
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,720
and very disturbing.
377
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,200
- I want you
to call out my name,
378
00:23:54,279 --> 00:23:58,039
my complete name,
Maurice Grosse.
379
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,920
- These voices came
from Janet.
380
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,680
And they were very strange
and gruff
381
00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:11,039
and very deep
like a grumpy old man.
382
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,360
- Come on.
Let me hear you say my name.
383
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,639
- Maurice.
384
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:26,120
Maurice.
385
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:30,880
Maurice.
386
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,600
- I thought, well,
I've got to record that,
387
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,760
so with Maurice Grosse,
388
00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:38,879
I went and talked to the
girl.
389
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,880
And the voice just
started talking.
390
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,600
- People say to me, where do
the voices come from?
391
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,680
I don't know.
They were just there.
392
00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:25,999
Really strange.
393
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:27,719
I've never known
anything like it,
394
00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:28,999
but then that's true of most
of the Enfield poltergeist.
395
00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:31,279
I mean, I've never known
anything like it
396
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:32,399
before or since.
397
00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:42,879
♪ ♪
398
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,000
- I was a skeptic,
absolutely skeptical,
399
00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:48,159
until I stepped
into the house.
400
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,400
And at about 9:00
in the evening,
401
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,040
the kids were going to bed.
402
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,079
[electric crackling]
403
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:06,680
And the kids were in the
room, the door was closed,
404
00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:10,879
and almost immediately
this voice started,
405
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,600
this old man's voice talking.
406
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,960
I went into the room,
and I was told
407
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:22,039
I had to stand
facing the door.
408
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,200
I said to him,
to the voice, I said...
409
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:31,959
I want you to tell me
whether you remember
410
00:26:32,039 --> 00:26:34,879
what happened to you
when you died.
411
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,479
And he said,
"I'm Bill Wilkins..."
412
00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:42,039
both:
"And I died 15 years ago.
413
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,519
"I'm 72 years old,
414
00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:47,439
"and I used to live here.
415
00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:50,239
"Just before I died,
I went blind.
416
00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:51,959
And then I had
a hemorrhage..."
417
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:09,079
- It had identified itself
as Bill Wilkins.
418
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,560
The intellect behind the
voice was not Janet's.
419
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,800
Can an 11-year-old child
speak in a gruff old man's
voice
420
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,280
for literally an hour or more
421
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,399
and not show any sign
of distress,
422
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,440
not cough, not splutter?
423
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:28,279
You would say,
that is impossible,
424
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:29,399
and that's my position.
425
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,440
Also, the chances
of Janet even knowing
426
00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:35,919
what a hemorrhage was had
to be close to zero,
427
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,840
so we're talking
about language and knowledge
428
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,040
which was outside of Janet's
experience or understanding.
429
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,959
Obviously, the examination
of the voice to try
430
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:53,799
and discover what it was
and where it was coming from
431
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,080
was of paramount importance.
432
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:01,239
They asked Janet to put
some water in her mouth
433
00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:02,599
but not swallow,
434
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,680
and then they put some tape
over her mouth.
435
00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:09,039
So the water was in her
mouth, and her mouth was
taped shut.
436
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:15,079
♪ ♪
437
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,599
The voice was not
coming from her.
438
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,680
It was coming from behind
her.
439
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,879
- I could see
the family deteriorating
440
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,640
because the upheaval
of not only
441
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,520
what was happening
in the house,
442
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:50,959
but also having all these
strangers coming to your
house
443
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:53,079
to do whatever
they needed to do to prove
444
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,920
that this thing was
happening.
445
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,480
Maurice Grosse was quite
excited about the whole thing
446
00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:03,319
because this was suddenly
taking on a different feel.
447
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:08,880
And Janet, who was just
completely mystified,
448
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,600
wanted it to go away.
449
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:16,399
There she is
a 12-year-old girl
450
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,720
being possessed
by a 72-year-old man
451
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:23,319
who died in a chair
downstairs years before.
452
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:27,879
This was taking over her
life.
453
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,040
[child screaming]
454
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:39,559
Suddenly one night, there
was this enormous scream
455
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,360
and then a crash.
456
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,200
Everybody rushed upstairs
to see what had happened
457
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:50,159
and found Janet lying
facedown on the floor
458
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,640
in a bit of a heap.
459
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,040
Maurice asked her
what happened,
460
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:56,479
and she just said that
there was someone there
461
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:59,719
who had just grabbed her
and thrown her out of bed,
462
00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:01,199
thrown her across the room.
463
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:05,719
So I had to then try
and photograph it somehow.
464
00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:08,839
[tense music]
465
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:15,040
♪ ♪
466
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:20,039
So I set up a camera
on a tripod,
467
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:22,319
corner of the room, flash
gun.
468
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:42,599
The camera was triggered
by a cable
469
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,800
that ran down the stairs
into the room below
470
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,720
where we were all sat
with a tape recorder running
471
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:53,159
where we could hear what was
happening live in the room.
472
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,040
And as soon
as we heard a noise,
473
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:01,439
I'd hit the button, it would
take loads of pictures.
474
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:03,359
[loud thud]
475
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:12,160
♪ ♪
476
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,040
When the pictures were taken,
they were at least
477
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:40,639
a sixth of a second
between each frame.
478
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,160
She started off
flat in bed normally.
479
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,160
The next shot,
the covers had come away.
480
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,840
Her arms were flat by her side.
481
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,280
There is no picture
of her between flat
482
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:56,999
and coming out of the bed.
483
00:31:57,079 --> 00:31:59,719
There's not one picture
of her climbing up
484
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:02,799
or moving the covers down to
get her legs out or anything.
485
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,720
She's gone from that to that.
486
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:06,719
- She's literally flying...
- In a sixth of a second.
487
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:10,039
- Was that a big distance
that Janet was thrown?
488
00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:12,279
- Across a room, uh,
489
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:18,319
you'd be looking
at about 3 or 4 meters.
490
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,200
That's quite a force
to be able
491
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:22,319
to pick up a 12-year-old
girl.
492
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,920
That could have done her
some serious damage.
493
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,200
Maurice, as soon
as he'd seen the pictures,
494
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:32,959
he then said,
oh, they're levitating.
495
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,960
But there were lots
of different theories
496
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:41,119
as to why they could
or could not be levitation.
497
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:47,639
- The number of people
that have looked
498
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,000
at that photograph and said,
499
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:53,919
"She's just jumping."
500
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,560
You know,
you'll get people saying,
501
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,040
should her knees be flexed
and so on.
502
00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:00,319
You know, would her body be
in that position?
503
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,680
But I just looked at the face,
and I thought to myself,
504
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:06,759
mm, that's not someone
who's playing.
505
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,360
[ominous music]
506
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:17,040
♪ ♪
507
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,720
- It was reported
by several people
508
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:23,079
who had nothing
to do with the family
509
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,080
that they'd seen
Janet floating
510
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,160
around the upstairs bedroom.
511
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:37,919
I went and interviewed
two eyewitnesses,
512
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,120
one of whom was
the school crossing warden.
513
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,440
The house was opposite
the school.
514
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:44,359
And she had looked up
515
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,560
and seen Janet floating
around the room.
516
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,520
And she was very shaken
by this,
517
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:52,879
but she was prepared
to be interviewed about it.
518
00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:56,679
- I was standing there
looking, and all of a sudden,
519
00:33:56,759 --> 00:34:00,919
I saw the middle girl, Janet,
520
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,520
going up and down
in front of the window.
521
00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:05,359
Well, I thought
that she was jumping
522
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,040
up and down on the bed.
523
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:10,839
But when I looked,
she was horizontal,
524
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,000
going up and down
with her arms
525
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:13,519
and legs going everywhere.
526
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:18,479
And I suppose she did this
about half a dozen times,
527
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:20,279
and then it stopped.
528
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:24,959
- What was interesting
about all this
529
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:29,039
was that people
who had no skin in the game
530
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:30,319
were prepared
to be interviewed about it
531
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,680
because they'd seen
something so extraordinary.
532
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:41,279
- The lollipop lady
and the baker both believe
533
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,400
that they saw Janet actually
in the horizontal plane
534
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,320
going up and down rather
than this sort of straight up
535
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,040
and straight down,
almost like a triangle shape,
536
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:53,559
which it looks like
from Graham's photographs.
537
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:55,519
If Janet was
physically fit enough,
538
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:58,719
which she possibly was,
then there is a possibility
539
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,440
that she could have been
manufacturing this herself,
540
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:03,279
and this sort of correlates,
if you like,
541
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,360
with "The Exorcist" film,
which came out in 1974.
542
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,040
Remember, this was all
happening in 1977,
543
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:11,759
and it's possible that
Janet may have seen the film
544
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,000
or seen clips of it
somewhere or the other
545
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:14,839
and that she was therefore
trying to copy
546
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,320
what was going on there.
547
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,960
There were several members
of the SPR who,
548
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:23,759
without displaying
a corporate viewpoint,
549
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,400
as individuals felt that it was
not real, the levitation.
550
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,960
And they put that
into print occasionally
551
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:32,519
and defended their case.
552
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:37,559
Maurice was very upset about
some members being so hostile
553
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:39,839
to his interpretation
of what was going on.
554
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,040
And so the controversy raged
backwards and forwards.
555
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:46,039
I think that a few members
of the SPR felt
556
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:49,839
that Janet's motive
for levitating,
557
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,200
if you want to call it that,
558
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,040
was because she wanted
to have fun.
559
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:54,599
She wanted to draw
attention to herself.
560
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:55,759
She wanted to be special,
561
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,880
because she was
the star of the show
562
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,560
for quite a bit at the time.
563
00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:00,759
And I think
she probably enjoyed that
564
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,040
as a break
from some of the miseries
565
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:04,719
that she was suffering
in her childhood
566
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,600
and at the time of her life.
567
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:18,159
- I had been there
up to four nights a week
568
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,319
for months by the time
we got 'round to the voices.
569
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:24,559
It was getting a bit
like a circus by then anyway.
570
00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:27,639
There were so many people
coming and going in the
house.
571
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:28,999
All these experts
were brought in,
572
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:30,719
doctors and voice coaches,
573
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,920
and all sorts of people
that would be there
574
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,000
to try and prove
that she couldn't do this.
575
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:38,799
It was crazy.
576
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:44,160
It was like Victorians
pitching up a Bedlam hospital,
577
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,199
you know, and putting up
scaffolding and looking
578
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,680
over the wall and watching
them for the afternoon.
579
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,239
Janet wanted everything
to go away.
580
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,360
She was scared
of the whole thing.
581
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,199
I was really worried
that she was gonna get
582
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,080
seriously hurt at some point.
583
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,400
- It did get worse and worse,
584
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,440
and Janet did actually
get quite ill.
585
00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:10,239
She was getting
quite frightened
586
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,040
by feeling that things were
happening to her.
587
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:16,839
She felt that something was
pushing her around,
588
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,760
pulling her out of bed,
wrapping her in a curtain
589
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,920
and nearly strangling her,
making her fall down stairs.
590
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,400
[soft dramatic music]
591
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,000
She was put in the Maudsley
for two months,
592
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:31,959
which is a psychiatric
hospital in South London.
593
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:38,039
♪ ♪
594
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:57,239
I visited her a week later,
595
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,800
and she was calmer
and more cheerful
596
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,440
and said she was
getting more sleep.
597
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:04,119
And I think
it was good for her
598
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:06,279
to get away from the house
599
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,640
because there were
a lot of demands on her.
600
00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:14,199
The doctors gave her
lots of tests,
601
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,960
and they decided that she was
just a normal child.
602
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:19,479
There wasn't anything
wrong with her.
603
00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:22,599
And she was discharged
after six weeks.
604
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,760
- After Janet got back
from the Maudsley,
605
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,040
the activity died down.
606
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:32,159
It felt like
it was time to go.
607
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,359
It had run its course.
608
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:35,000
That was it.
609
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,960
Maurice was desperate
to see it through to its end
610
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:44,239
and found it very hard
to leave it.
611
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:52,559
It turned out that he also had
a daughter called Janet,
612
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:57,599
and she had died
in a car crash recently,
613
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:00,759
you know, just before
he came along to the house.
614
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:06,640
And he did mention
that he was hoping somehow
615
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,359
that it was his daughter
trying to contact him.
616
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,120
The chap who's coming along
to try and solve
617
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:20,559
the whole mystery was really
being sort of sidetracked
618
00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:23,439
by this unfortunate incident
619
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:24,679
that had happened
with his daughter.
620
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,760
- My sister, Janet, was two
years younger than me.
621
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,240
She decided she wanted
to be a reporter.
622
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,200
She had moved on
to the Cardiff "Leader,"
623
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,760
and it was in Cardiff
that she was killed
624
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,520
in a motorcycle accident.
625
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:45,879
When Janet died, obviously,
626
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,760
the effect
on my parents was profound.
627
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,440
For my father,
he found a practical outlet.
628
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:58,199
He decided that he wanted
to look at psychic phenomena,
629
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,640
the paranormal,
in more detail.
630
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,480
When he arrived at the house,
he was struck by the fact
631
00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:08,719
that one of the girls
was called Janet.
632
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,040
He didn't give it anything
other than passing mention,
633
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:15,919
the fact that she was
called Janet.
634
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,680
A lot of people thought
it was terribly important.
635
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,360
A lot of people tried
to attribute to him
636
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,680
an emotional connection
to the case,
637
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,240
to Janet,
to what was going on--
638
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,640
entirely wrongly.
639
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,599
It's an easy thought.
640
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:34,599
But it wasn't one
that was borne out,
641
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:35,799
because at the end of the day,
642
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,920
the entity was Bill Wilkins,
643
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,040
not Janet Grosse.
644
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:44,599
This was a statement of fact.
645
00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:47,719
So therefore,
it should be verifiable.
646
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:51,639
There was
an extraordinary event
647
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,079
that happens sometime later.
648
00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:58,599
My father was
on a talk show on OBC,
649
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:02,039
and they played
some of the tape.
650
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:16,039
- They had a phone call,
and they said,
651
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:17,399
a gentleman wants
to speak to you.
652
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,720
He says it's important.
So they put him on,
653
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,760
and he said,
well, I know that voice.
654
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,240
That was my father,
Bill Wilkins.
655
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,920
He did live in that house,
went blind,
656
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,640
had a hemorrhage,
died downstairs,
657
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,359
and he was buried
in a cemetery down the road.
658
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,160
"Treasured memories
of dear husband and father,
659
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:51,079
William Charles Wilkins,
died 20th June, 1963."
660
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:57,919
♪ ♪
661
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,480
Do I believe in ghosts?
662
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:03,719
It's hard to say no
663
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,120
because I've had
a conversation
664
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:08,759
with Bill Wilkins, who's
dead.
665
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:16,039
It opens the door
for such a question,
666
00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:19,039
and as a result,
I can't close it.
667
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,879
- The Enfield tapes
are in that box.
668
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,120
Those are the original
reel to reels,
669
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:41,839
and these are
the Enfield cassette tapes
670
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,720
that belonged
to Maurice Grosse.
671
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,920
So they're all
in those boxes there.
672
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,280
So these are the recordings
that Maurice made
673
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,640
of just about all the phenomena
that occurred there
674
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,839
from an auditory viewpoint
between 1977 and 1979.
675
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,000
- That's a long time.
- Yeah.
676
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,439
- Have you listened
to all of it?
677
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:05,959
- I've listened to all
of the recordings twice.
678
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:08,599
I would say hundreds of hours
and approaching thousands
679
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:09,999
of hours have been spent
listening to it.
680
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,840
I'm not happy
with the voice at all
681
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,400
because I think that
it doesn't fit with me.
682
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,560
I don't like the sort of things
it was coming out with.
683
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:22,759
A lot of the time
it wanted to--
684
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,320
it swore a lot of the time,
685
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,840
very bad swearing constantly,
686
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,640
as if somebody is
allowed to swear
687
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,879
because they're not
who they really are.
688
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,040
So they can swear
and get away with it
689
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,679
because it's not
me swearing, Mummy.
690
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,920
It's the voice swearing.
691
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,840
My overall thoughts
about the case in Enfield
692
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,080
are that I think that
there was more playing about
693
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:47,399
going on than Maurice
believed there was,
694
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,480
but I don't think
it was all playing about.
695
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:53,999
The incidents that I think
from my own viewpoint
696
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:58,279
have the most credit are things
where things appeared on tape,
697
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,280
so you could hear them--
alas you couldn't see them,
698
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,040
but you could hear them,
you could hear the reactions
699
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,759
of the people,
and you thought, well,
700
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,240
there's something happening
there that just doesn't fit.
701
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,120
I do think some
of the activities
702
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:16,119
that occurred there were
beyond our normal senses,
703
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:20,239
and therefore needing
to be investigated more.
704
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,280
- I never want to do
anything like this ever again
705
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,720
because it was very disturbing.
706
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,760
It was really worrying.
707
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,000
It was dangerous and difficult,
708
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:30,959
and you didn't know
what was happening.
709
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:32,799
And while it was
extremely interesting
710
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,280
to record it as an observer,
711
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,840
it was very, very disturbing.
712
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,040
- I don't mention it.
713
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:44,839
I don't tell anyone I know.
714
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,280
You know,
I haven't told my wife.
715
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,120
I hadn't told my daughters.
716
00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:51,839
I haven't told anyone really,
717
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,440
because they wouldn't
believe you.
718
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:54,999
If you told them what happened,
719
00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:57,479
they'd just think you're mad.
720
00:44:57,559 --> 00:44:58,719
It's too strange.
721
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,120
People can't get it
into their heads.
722
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:07,239
45 years later,
I'm no closer now to knowing
723
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,560
as I was on day one
when I walked into the place.
724
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:20,679
♪ ♪
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