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Hitler spent so
much of his life performing.
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He developed this propensity
to dwell in a, a fantasy world.
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I'm convinced that lurking
in Hitler's psyche was a belief
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that he was actually
living out some kind of
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apocalyptic Wagnerian opera.
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Germany, as it is
being bombed and occupied,
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is a stage, a stage
in a gigantic opera,
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in which he is about to
become the martyred, and fallen,
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and betrayed savior of Germany.
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And at the end, when the
catastrophe was looming,
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this ability to dwell in
a world of make-believe,
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and fantasy, took over
in some kind of sense.
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In some sense, it is
absolutely bizarre to think
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that this sort of aimless,
drifting postcard-painter of
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the Vienna years
could have ended up;
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A; the conqueror of 1940,
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and then, B; the man
in the bunker in 1945.
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But in another sense,
the personality actually
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seems to be rather consistent.
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He's both disengaged and
fueled by delusions of grandeur,
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that's quite consistent
all the way through his life.
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He was
an artist of evil.
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He had created a kind of evil
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that the world
had never seen before.
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It wasn't that he'd done
pathetic little landscapes.
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It was that he reshaped
the entire landscape of
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half the world.
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.
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The war hadn't ended.
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This was January 1945,
Bergen-Belsen,
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where I was only 15 years old.
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The conditions were truly...
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Inhuman.
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Nobody could survive in the
long run on one meal a day,
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which consisted of
one piece of bread,
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and turnips boiled in water.
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There were epidemics;
cholera, pneumonia, dysentery.
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Every night I went to
sleep hoping I would wake up
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the next morning, and
when I did, I was surrounded
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by people who had
died during the night.
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Bergen-Belsen is often referred
to as a slow-death camp.
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It didn't have gas chambers,
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but the number of people
survived was very small.
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Hitler wanted to
murder all Jews,
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and get rid of them.
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He was the epitome
of hatred, to me.
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GÖRTEMAKER: From the
beginning of the war,
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Hitler declared
victory or collapse,
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all or nothing.
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The Allied powers
were advancing.
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The people around
Hitler were scared to death,
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and they knew
they needed a victory.
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In the winter
of 1944, and into 1945,
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Hitler attempts, in the West,
a last-ditch counter-attack
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into American-occupied Belgium,
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which produces the
famous Battle of the Bulge.
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The latest dispatches from
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Supreme Headquarters in
Paris say that Nazi armor has
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advanced more than 20 miles int
Belgium and Luxembourg on this,
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the fourth day of
the greatest German
counter-offensive of this war.
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The troops we're now meeting
are the best attack troops
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the Germans have ever had.
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But by the
middle of January,
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the American army is
pushing the German army
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out of the Low Countries.
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The
German salient is withering
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like a winter's leaf.
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In the air, at least 124 German
planes were shot down today.
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Ultimately, the
Battle of the Bulge is
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a calamitous defeat for Germany,
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and sets the stage
for the big American and
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British push
into Germany itself.
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In every city and town,
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the Nazis fight back
with furious desperation.
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Nazi rear-guard
action is fanatical
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as they try to
stem the red tide.
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GÖRTEMAKER: When Hitler
returned from the Western Front
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to Berlin, the whole situation
in Germany was desperate,
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and he himself was depressed.
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He increasingly suspected
the German army of defeatism,
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and he was absolutely
adamant that the war had to
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be continued at any cost.
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At some level, he
must have understood that
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the war was over, and that
Germany was facing catastrophe.
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But Hitler had no mercy,
or no pity, no sympathy
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for anyone who did not
follow him, basically,
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to the end.
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The war'
most sustained aerial offensive
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battling Berlin,
day and night blasting
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Nazi oil plants,
industry, transportation.
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GÖRTEMAKER: When a big
air raid destroyed almost
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all of the center of Berlin,
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Hitler moved into
the bunker permanently.
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The bunker
complex was built beneath
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the Reich Chancellery
building in central Berlin,
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designed by Albert Speer,
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Adolf Hitler's
favorite architect,
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and now the Armaments Minister.
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GÖRTEMAKER: The last
headquarter of Hitler
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was a huge complex,
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28 feet beneath
the Reich Chancellery.
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And it contained actually
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two bunkers,
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with 36 rooms.
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Even in the bunker,
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Hitler couldn't be alone,
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so he lived there,
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with Eva Braun,
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with his physician,
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with his secretaries,
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his cook,
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and his bodyguards.
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And this was
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where Hitler spent the
last weeks of his life.
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As the war turned,
and loss was impending,
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as his health deteriorated,
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I suspect that Hitler looked
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back fondly to the
Austria of his youth.
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Over the years, Hitler had
spent a lot of time re-imagining
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the design of Berlin with
Albert Speer, and then Linz,
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where Hitler had spent
some years as a young person.
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GÖRTEMAKER: Hitler
envisaged this new residence,
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where he could retire
together with Eva Braun,
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this was their plan
they cling to until the end.
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There exist pictures
taken by Walter Frentz,
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one of Hitler's photographers,
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on February 8th, 1945,
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and you see Hitler greatly aged,
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and kind of out of
the real world when
he looked at this model.
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We have to understand
this was an escape fantasy;
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he tried to flee the world
he couldn't control any more.
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Overhead
the greatest air offensive of
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the war is in full blast.
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On February 13th, 1945,
the British Royal Air Force
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destroyed most of the city
of Dresden in eastern Germany.
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With terrible precision,
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masses of high
explosive go down.
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And some people
who tried to walk along,
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they got pulled in by the fire.
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There is such a draft
in a firestorm like that.
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The city was of
course in flames,
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but after three days
we had to go in and
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try to find the people, and
take them out of the ruins.
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There was no time to
dig individual graves,
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we had to do big, mass graves.
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About five to 600,000
Germans died in these bombings.
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Hitler is unable to
empathize in any way with
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the people who are
being bombed, and in that sense,
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the bombing certainly has
no effect on him whatsoever.
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In the
air war, German submarine yards
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at Bremen, Hamburg
and Kiel, and oil refineries,
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were hit today
by 2,000 planes of
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the American Eighth Air Force.
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We gather in several thousand
Germans, and with their killed
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and wounded, it makes
a daily total of losses
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which is just too
high for any army to suffer
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without being very
seriously weakened.
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The Allies continue to drop
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tons of destruction on
German industry, communications
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and German armies.
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We counted 20,000
prisoners yesterday.
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The Germans are
acting like a tired,
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confused army which
knows it is beaten.
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GÖRTEMAKER: The Nero Decree
is the reaction of Hitler to
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a desperate situation.
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Hitler says, "Wherever
we are evacuating territory,
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it has to be destroyed."
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Now, the Germans have done it
over and again, scorched Earth.
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They destroyed the Soviet Union
as they were retreating from it,
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but now, Hitler is
saying do that in West German,
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and that would mean
utter famine and destruction
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to millions of Germans, and
Albert Speer refuses to do it.
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Most of the information
we have about what was going on
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in the bunker came
from those who survived it.
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What you see with Speer
after the war is him attempting
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to take all of
the credit for the
destruction not taking place.
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GÖRTEMAKER: The
Nero Decree wasn't executed,
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not only because of Speer,
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but because the German
people had to save their lives.
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Many of them had no shelter,
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they had no food.
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They tried to
protect the children.
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But Speer later constructed a
story that during the last days,
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he didn't obey, and was
kind of an opponent of Hitler.
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He was an
exceptional liar.
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He's trying to
save his reputation,
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he's trying to save his skin.
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But Albert Speer adored Hitler,
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and was devoted to him,
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and was as close
to him personally as
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I think anybody could be.
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The mass of Germans are
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apathetic and stunned.
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There is no longer any
mass fanaticism or will to die.
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Most Germans are
stupidly awaiting the end.
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GÖRTEMAKER: We don't know what
Hitler really believed in this
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desperate time, but we know
that he clinged to this notion
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that there could
be a miracle victory,
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and he was supported
in this delusion by
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his girlfriend, Eva Braun.
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There was nobody
else near and as close to him
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like Eva Braun.
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She loved him, really,
and she came, surprisingly,
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to Berlin, and when she arrived,
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Hitler tried to seem angry,
but he wasn't successful.
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He was obviously so
happy that she was there that
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nobody tried to,
to send her back.
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GÖRTEMAKER: Eva Braun was
very calm during her time in
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the bunker, but Hitler
was constantly on edge.
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That he was betrayed, and that
he was the only one who tried to
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build a new Germany,
but was hindered by others.
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I
remember it very well.
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I was one of the first
to deal with war crimes
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in the American army.
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A report would come
into Headquarters that
there's a camp somewhere,
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and there are people
coming out of that camp.
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It looks like they're skeletons,
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they're in rags, get over there.
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And I'd get into my Jeep
and race over there as fast as
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I could and begin
to collect evidence.
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The first such
camp was Buchenwald.
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150 people died the day
we came, of malnutrition,
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tuberculosis, typhus, et cetera.
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I had peered into Hell.
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My feeling was this is not real.
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If I had not been able to
imagine that this is artificial,
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I don't think I would have
been able to cope with it.
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I think that it
takes a while to digest
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what it is that they're seeing.
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The issue of
knowledge is not necessarily
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do you know the fact,
but can you digest it,
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can you actually
understand what this means?
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There are two ovens,
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each with a
capacity for six persons.
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There are about 70 persons
represented in this pile.
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How do we
grasp such an undertaking,
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such an industrial effort
to kill hundreds of thousands,
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millions of people?
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And I think that until today,
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we are still faced
with that question.
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We
interrupt this program to
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bring you a special news
bulletin from CBS World News.
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A press association
has just announced that
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President Roosevelt is dead.
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GÖRTEMAKER: Hitler told
his circle, "This is a sign."
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He compared the
death of Roosevelt to
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the death of
Catherine the Second of Russia,
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because after her death,
Frederick the Great won the war.
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It's a clear measure of
Hitler's delusional state that
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he has a brief
moment of euphoria,
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because it came in a moment
when there was no good news of
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any kind; it was nothing but
disaster and impending doom.
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The
American Ninth Army is no more
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than 45 miles from
Berlin at this hour,
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leading well behind the
hurdle that failed to serve
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the Germans; the Elba River.
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Russian troops are reported
within 18 miles of Berlin by
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German account, where
Germany's remaining forces plan
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to carry on the
war to the bitter end.
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On a practical level,
Hitler probably understood that
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there was no way out,
that whatever happened,
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no-one was gonna let him live
much past the end of the war.
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But there's also his kind
of Wagnerian histrionic side,
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that we had seen, you know,
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as early as the,
the Beer Hall Putsch
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when he threatened
to kill himself if
it failed, and probably,
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Hitler had something like
this in his mind as well,
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that if he went down heroically,
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Germany and the Nazi
movement might revive again,
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drawing on his heroism.
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The
German High Command communiqué
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opened this
afternoon with these words;
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"In the heart of Berlin,
the gallant garrison closely
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gathered around the
Führer is defending itself in
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a reduced space against
the superior Bolsheviks."
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That's the first
time during the crisis,
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and probably the
first time ever,
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that the Nazis have put Hitler
into one of his own communiqués
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When Josef
and Magda Goebbels
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and their six children
move into the bunker,
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it is an utterly
bizarre and macabre scene.
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Their intention is to end their
lives with Hitler in the bunker,
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and they will take
their children with them.
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Everybody shook his
hand and wished him the best,
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and it was all very depressed.
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It was not a, a happy birthday.
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There really is
nothing to celebrate.
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But right after his birthday,
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Hitler makes his
last public appearance.
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He comes out of
the bunker to greet
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a small contingent
of Hitler Youth.
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GÖRTEMAKER: It's
significant because it shows
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that at the end, they tried
to mobilize even children.
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This was the last army,
the children of Berlin.
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And he comes to them,
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and he pinches one
of their cheeks, and
he sends them to die.
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GÖRTEMAKER: It's
a desperate image,
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and it shows how
ruthless this Nazi regime was,
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that they would have
let everyone die before
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they'd dare to quit.
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In the last
week of his life,
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Adolf Hitler
received a number of...
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Shocks.
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One came from Hermann Goering.
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GÖRTEMAKER: In
April 1945, Goering,
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one of the most
powerful men in the Reich,
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sent a telegram to Hitler...
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That he could be in
charge if Hitler wasn't able
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anymore to lead.
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This made Hitler furious.
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And Hitler threatened to
strip Goering of his offices and
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throw him out of the party
unless he changed his mind,
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which he did.
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Then came the news that
loyal Heinrich Himmler,
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the head of the SS, had
been attempting some kind of
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separate peace
deal with the West.
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Hitler considered
this clearly to be an
astounding act of betrayal,
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and he strips Himmler of
his offices, of his titles.
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With the Red Army closing
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in on the Chancellery itself,
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there's no doubt
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in Hitler's mind that
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he is going to
take his own life.
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He doesn't want to
be captured by the
Soviets and paraded around,
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and he learns about the
fate of Benito Mussolini.
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Under the roster of fascism,
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the betrayers of Italy
now hang by the heel.
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Heads down in
ghoulish caricature of life,
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Il Duce gives his last salute.
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Hitler saw no
other way out than to
commit suicide himself.
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Eva Braun asked for
the most painless method,
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and Hitler said,
"That would be cyanide.
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You don't feel anything."
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GÖRTEMAKER: Hitler was
in a state of hysteria,
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and everywhere, he
imagined traitors.
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He remembered suddenly
that the poison came from
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one of Himmler's staff, and
Himmler had tried to betray him.
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GÖRTEMAKER: To make
sure the poison would work,
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Hitler gave Blondi, his
beloved dog, the poison first.
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It's clear
that the end is come,
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and so he wants
to leave a legacy.
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He wants to leave a testament.
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I must confess,
that I was very excited,
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because I would be the first
and the only one who knows
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why the war had
come to this end.
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I thought, "Now comes
the moment of the truth."
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And I was heart-pumping when
I wrote down what Hitler said.
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But he used nothing new.
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He repeated his
accusations to the enemy and
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to the Jewish
capitalistic system.
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That testament
really tells you something that
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is fundamental to the man,
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and that is fundamental
to his world view,
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because after all the
destruction that he's wrought,
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he believes that the
job is not yet done,
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and the job is to
destroy the Jewish race.
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He has changed the
course of history,
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and yet he's not changed at all.
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He's dogmatic in
that sense to the core.
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And
what do you recall of the night
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when Hitler married Eva Braun?
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GÖRTEMAKER: The whole
wedding ceremony was unreal.
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They pretended as
if it was normal,
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and after the ceremony
they drank champagne,
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and if we believe Traudl Junge,
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Eva Braun was proud to
be finally Hitler's wife,
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because she told others,
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"Now you can say,
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'Frau Hitler,' to me."
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GÖRTEMAKER: Hitler shot himself,
and Eva Braun took poison.
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It became clear
later that Hitler, too,
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had first taken poison,
and then shot himself.
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Hitler had given
very explicit verbal and
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written instructions that his
and Eva Hitler's remains were to
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be burned beyond recognition.
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Their bodies are
wrapped in blankets,
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and they're taken outdoors.
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The courtyard is being shelled
as all of this is going on.
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And the corpses are
placed in shallow graves,
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they are doused with petrol,
and then they are burned.
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This is London Calling.
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The German radio has just
announced that Hitler is dead.
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We knew Hitler had
a hideout in Berchtesgaden,
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on top of a mountain.
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So I get into my Jeep,
I went up to the top.
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Everything was a big mess.
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I knew we were gonna
have war crimes trials.
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My objective was
to find the evidence,
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'cause you need two things;
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you need the criminal,
and you need the evidence.
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There wasn't a heck of a lot
of evidence I could use from
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the Berchtesgaden hideout,
so I headed for Berlin.
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The
National Broadcasting Company
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delays the start of
all its programs to
bring you a special bulletin.
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Germany has surrendered
unconditionally to the Allies,
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no strings attached.
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Hitler and those who
supported him had taken Germany
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into the most destructive
war in human history.
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They were responsible
for the deaths of tens
of millions of people,
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and for the attempted genocide
of the Jewish people in Europe.
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The entire continent
was a pile of rubble.
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I thought,
here's a case we cannot
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possibly do justice.
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Hitler was already dead;
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I knew he was dead,
but he was not alone.
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Here was his followers,
the whole Nazi movement.
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One day, one of
my researchers said,
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"Look what I found!
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Situation reports
from the Eastern Front.
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Their assignment was to
eliminate all Jewish men,
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women and children."
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I took a little adding machine,
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and I added them up,
and I had a million people,
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over a million.
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I have defendants, each one
beyond any shadow of a doubt,
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was an accomplice and a
perpetrator of mass murder.
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I said, "To balance
the scales of justice,
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I'd have to cut them
into million parts and
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feed them to the dogs."
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But vengeance is not our role.
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Because war is horrible;
vengeance was even worse.
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Here
under the vigilant eyes of
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a live military police, the 20
most important surviving member
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of the Hitler gang go on trial.
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High representatives
of France, Britain, America
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and Russia form the tribunal.
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They will judge the
ringleaders of a conspiracy
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that brought war
to all the world.
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Hitler is obviously
the leading, uh, missing guest
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at the party, if you want.
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00:32:02,170 --> 00:32:03,755
There are other
very senior Nazis
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who've committed suicide,
Goebbels, Himmler, and others,
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but Hitler was the one
whom everybody talks about.
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The four charges for the
Nuremberg defendants were;
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war crimes;
crimes against humanity;
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digressive war; and conspiracy.
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People often say,
"What happened to genocide?"
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Genocide was listed
as a kind of war crime,
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not as a crime in itself and
not as a crime against humanity.
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The rounds
which we seek to condemn and
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punish have been so calculated,
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so malignant, and so devastating
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that civilization cannot
tolerate their being ignored,
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because it cannot survive
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their being repeated.
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The first trial
has two dozen defendants.
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Rudolf Hess was a
prominent defendant.
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A number of, of senior generals,
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Keitel and Jodl,
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Admiral Raeder and
Admiral Doenitz, Rosenberg,
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Albert Speer, and
Balder von Shirach and
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others who had been
leaders of the Nazi regime.
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One commits suicide
on the eve of trial,
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one's declared non-compos,
so it's 22 defendants.
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But defendant number one
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was Herman Goering,
Hitler's number two.
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Hermann Wilhelm Goering.
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I informed the
court that defendants were
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not entitled to
make a statement.
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You must plead guilty,
or not guilty.
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All the defendants
at Nuremberg wanted to get in
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the fact that in effect, they
were following superior orders.
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When they spoke of
Hitler's charismatic,
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spellbinding powers, it was
always to their advantage to
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00:34:50,255 --> 00:34:53,383
say so, even Albert Speer,
who's the only defendant
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who shows what might
be taken as remorse.
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But in
the end, Speer doesn't
talk about his own guilt.
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He talks about Hitler,
and how he served Hitler,
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but not really about
his own criminality.
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In
the afternoon, by order of
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the tribunal, no cameramen
were allowed to be present
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when the guilty men
received their sentences.
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Hermann Wilhelm Goering,
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the International
Military Tribunal
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sentences you to
death by hanging.
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00:35:40,764 --> 00:35:43,892
Rudolf Hess,
imprisonment for life.
477
00:35:43,892 --> 00:35:46,686
Albert Speer,
20 years in prison.
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00:35:46,686 --> 00:35:49,981
Joachim von Ribbentrop,
death by hanging.
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18 people are convicted,
12 are sentenced to death.
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Three were found not guilty.
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Hermann Goering, as they say,
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he cheats the hangman
by committing suicide
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shortly before he
was scheduled to be executed.
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Soon, the guilty men will
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receive their just
reward but, behind them,
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they leave a legacy of sorrow
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and suffering that
1,000 years will never wipe out
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In this
momentous trial now ended,
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the world itself
has been the judge.
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John Toland, perhaps
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00:36:28,019 --> 00:36:29,646
no-one on the face of the Earth
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00:36:29,646 --> 00:36:33,316
knows more about Adolf Hitler
than you do at this moment.
493
00:36:33,316 --> 00:36:35,026
I think I've
interviewed more people that
494
00:36:35,026 --> 00:36:38,279
were close to Hitler, and they
all revealed themselves because
495
00:36:38,279 --> 00:36:40,698
I didn't present
myself as an adversary,
496
00:36:40,698 --> 00:36:42,867
only I asked, "What happened?"
497
00:36:53,628 --> 00:36:57,257
My dad definitely
understood that history is
498
00:36:57,257 --> 00:37:01,594
a living creature, and
that we perceive it through
499
00:37:01,594 --> 00:37:04,264
whatever current lens, um,
500
00:37:04,264 --> 00:37:05,724
is available.
501
00:37:05,724 --> 00:37:09,269
The tapes themselves
had a lot of value,
502
00:37:09,269 --> 00:37:12,856
and needed to be preserved, in
that it would be important for
503
00:37:12,856 --> 00:37:16,317
future generations to
have the ability to go back,
504
00:37:16,317 --> 00:37:20,029
to hear the voices, and
take from it what they could.
505
00:37:28,163 --> 00:37:31,332
The story of Hitler
and the Germans is not really
506
00:37:31,332 --> 00:37:34,502
a story fundamentally
about this one person,
507
00:37:34,502 --> 00:37:36,421
or this one country.
508
00:37:36,421 --> 00:37:37,964
It's a story about human beings,
509
00:37:37,964 --> 00:37:40,216
and what human beings
are capable of.
510
00:37:40,216 --> 00:37:43,344
It's a
conversation that happens
not only about the past,
511
00:37:43,344 --> 00:37:46,556
but also a conversation
that happens about our present,
512
00:37:46,556 --> 00:37:49,100
and our future, something
not only to be understood,
513
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:50,935
but to be dealt with.
514
00:37:50,935 --> 00:37:53,646
Germans like
long, compound words,
515
00:37:53,646 --> 00:37:56,566
and one of them is,
"Vergangenheitsaufarbeitung."
516
00:37:57,484 --> 00:38:02,697
It's a continued
confrontation with the ways
517
00:38:02,697 --> 00:38:07,994
in which the crimes of our past
affect our societies today.
518
00:38:08,912 --> 00:38:10,622
The Iron Curtain comes
down in Germany, and
519
00:38:10,622 --> 00:38:11,748
the city of Berlin,
520
00:38:11,748 --> 00:38:13,333
once its capital,
521
00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:15,752
now lies deep
within the Soviet Zone.
522
00:38:15,752 --> 00:38:19,464
So de-Nazification
in East Germany was really
523
00:38:19,464 --> 00:38:23,009
a top-down affair; the
government promoted it.
524
00:38:23,009 --> 00:38:25,553
They acknowledged guilt.
525
00:38:25,553 --> 00:38:29,224
But as the Cold War
began in West Germany,
526
00:38:29,224 --> 00:38:32,852
fighting communism and putting
a lot of money into the economy
527
00:38:32,852 --> 00:38:36,856
and focusing on
consumer goods was considered
528
00:38:36,856 --> 00:38:40,193
much more important
than fighting Nazism.
529
00:38:40,193 --> 00:38:43,530
There was certainly no
national reckoning with
530
00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:46,616
the Nazi period in West Germany.
531
00:38:46,616 --> 00:38:49,202
Finally, in 1970,
532
00:38:49,202 --> 00:38:52,163
the first Social Democratic
Chancellor of Germany,
533
00:38:52,163 --> 00:38:54,457
Willy Brandt, went to Poland,
534
00:38:54,457 --> 00:38:58,670
to the memorial at
the Warsaw Ghetto,
535
00:38:58,670 --> 00:39:01,506
and he was so moved,
536
00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:04,092
he felt that laying a
wreath was not enough,
537
00:39:04,092 --> 00:39:07,720
and he fell on his knees
in a gesture of atonement.
538
00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:14,394
That picture has been
iconic for many people's views
539
00:39:14,394 --> 00:39:16,771
of post-war Germany.
540
00:39:16,771 --> 00:39:20,775
But there was an awful lot
of backlash for that gesture
541
00:39:20,775 --> 00:39:25,280
within Germany, although
it won him the admiration of
542
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,407
the rest of
the world, and, indeed,
543
00:39:27,407 --> 00:39:29,409
the Nobel Peace Prize.
544
00:39:40,336 --> 00:39:44,382
If we want to
ever conceive a world where
545
00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:48,970
these crimes against
humanity do not happen anymore,
546
00:39:48,970 --> 00:39:52,432
we have to talk about it,
learn of the Holocaust.
547
00:39:53,808 --> 00:39:59,731
I'm struck by some of the
echoes I see in our world today.
548
00:40:00,773 --> 00:40:04,652
What I ask myself is, "How
come we haven't learned more?"
549
00:40:12,952 --> 00:40:15,663
Jews will not replace us!
550
00:40:15,997 --> 00:40:18,958
How
can I understand that?
551
00:40:18,958 --> 00:40:22,503
That people still can sing.
552
00:40:23,713 --> 00:40:25,632
I can't believe it.
553
00:40:27,342 --> 00:40:30,720
That kind of cult,
that was created by and
554
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:35,350
around Hitler, is a poison,
and it has not gone away.
555
00:40:35,350 --> 00:40:38,269
The story of Hitler
is still important today,
556
00:40:38,269 --> 00:40:41,397
not because the
Holocaust is gonna
happen again in the same form,
557
00:40:41,397 --> 00:40:43,900
not because
anybody else is Hitler,
558
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:46,903
but because if these
things are possible,
559
00:40:46,903 --> 00:40:49,322
that means similar
things are possible.
560
00:40:49,322 --> 00:40:51,407
I don't subscribe to a
view that there was something in
561
00:40:51,407 --> 00:40:55,745
Hitler's character that made
him particularly suitable to
562
00:40:55,745 --> 00:40:58,164
fulfill that role, but
rather the other way round,
563
00:40:58,164 --> 00:41:01,834
that the ways in which the times
unfolded created an opportunity
564
00:41:01,834 --> 00:41:05,838
for someone like Hitler to
find a receptive audience.
565
00:41:06,714 --> 00:41:09,509
People of an
extreme point of view talk
566
00:41:09,509 --> 00:41:11,552
as the Nazis talked.
567
00:41:11,552 --> 00:41:14,722
They talk about certain groups
of people who are inhuman,
568
00:41:14,722 --> 00:41:16,349
who have to be removed;
569
00:41:16,349 --> 00:41:19,102
foreigners, immigrants,
people of a different color,
570
00:41:19,102 --> 00:41:20,603
or of a different race.
571
00:41:20,603 --> 00:41:24,941
If you let that talk
just linger on the margins,
572
00:41:24,941 --> 00:41:28,027
it will move to the
center at some point.
573
00:41:28,945 --> 00:41:32,615
You can't feel
with me what I have suffered.
574
00:41:32,615 --> 00:41:34,784
I was a child.
575
00:41:34,784 --> 00:41:40,248
It is necessary to
tell it again and again,
576
00:41:40,248 --> 00:41:42,959
and so I, I'm telling you.
577
00:41:46,713 --> 00:41:48,548
I, I don't
think this could've happened in
578
00:41:48,548 --> 00:41:51,467
the United States,
but who knows?
579
00:41:52,301 --> 00:41:54,012
We must all watch out.
580
00:41:54,762 --> 00:41:56,055
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