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The endlessly
fertile black earth.
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For centuries,
Ukraine'’s blessing.
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But also its curse.
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From East to West,
the invaders came.
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First, the Mongols,
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then the Poles.
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Then the Turks.
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Then the Russians.
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Hungry for grain,
hungry for bread,
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the invaders conquered the
land and reaped its harvest.
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Empire after empire stained
the earth with blood and ash.
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It's not an accident that the
Ukrainian national anthem
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the first line is
"“Ukraine has not yet died."”
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Your country is
living on the edge,
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if that's how you
celebrate your existence.
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We're still here!
We're not dead quite yet!
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I remember,
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my grandmother was from
central Russian-ruled Ukraine.
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My grandfather was from
western Polish-ruled Ukraine.
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She was Orthodox,
he was Catholic.
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and one of the most
intense debates,
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which raged almost daily
around their kitchen table was:
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"“Who repressed us more?"”
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In 1932 and 1933,
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Stalin starved to death
millions of Ukrainian farmers
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to crush the country'’s
dream of independence.
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Millions more were killed
during World War II
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in the Nazi-Soviet
battles over Ukraine.
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Just like Stalin,
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Hitler thought Ukraine was
a kind of breadbasket
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that he needed for an empire.
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The Soviet Union starts
when Russia and Ukraine
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are brought together,
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and the Soviet Union ends
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when Russia and
Ukraine come apart.
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Newly independent Ukraine
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was a country still ruled by
its communist era bosses.
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They didn't call themselves
communists anymore,
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but they were still in charge.
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The Orange Revolution was
very brave and very promising.
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What happened next
is incredibly disillusioning
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and very sad.
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The government they
want comes to power
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and it does so badly
at actually running the country
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that Yanukovych,
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who had failed to become
president fraudulently,
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is then elected as
President of Ukraine.
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A last minute about
turning Ukraine
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has seen the government
suspend a trade pact with
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the European Union just a week
before it was set to be signed.
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The government has
now issued an order
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calling off parliamentary
votes on the deal
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saying it will renew active
dialogue with Russia.
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Ukrainian President
Victor Yanukovych
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refused to sign the deal
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despite last-ditch efforts
by European leaders
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to persuade him overnight.
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That'’s prompted anger.
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I live not far away from here.
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So, I was able actually to come
to Maidan three times a day.
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Sometimes two times a day.
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Sometimes stay some
hours in the night.
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I liked especially the
fact that students
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wanted to have a
nonpolitical protest.
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Then I became very optimistic
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thinking it's much easier to
put a small country in order
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than a huge country in order.
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Those who tried to
save themselves
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were caught, thrown to the
ground and beaten with sticks.
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Some of the protesters escaped
towards St. Michael'’s Square.
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A monk invited them to take
refuge in the monastery.
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They barricaded the
door from within.
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The young people taking
refuge in the monastery say
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they do not intend to go home.
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After this morning, they'’re no
longer afraid of anything.
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They felt physically dutied
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living in Yanukovych's Ukraine.
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You couldn't live
an honorable life.
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Paying bribes, accepting bribes.
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You had to be corrupt.
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Especially for this
younger generation.
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People who came at the age
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after the Soviet
Union had collapsed.
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People who knew the West,
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they knew you didn't
have to live like that.
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And a lot of this was:
"“I will not live this way.
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I refuse to live this way."”
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When you have a revolution,
whether peaceful or violent,
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you have of course
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destruction of so called
peaceful rhythm of life,
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because you don't know
what to expect next.
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You don't know how the
protest will finish,
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and you don't know whether
it is dangerous or not
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to be next to the protest.
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Tetyana Chornovol told
police her car was stopped
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by a gang of men near
Kyiv just after midnight.
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She was dragged
from the vehicle,
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assaulted and left in a ditch.
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She suffered a broken nose,
concussion and numerous bruises.
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The reporter had just
published an article
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on the personal wealth of
Ukraine'’s interior minister.
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Ukrainian members of
parliament on Thursday
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voted for a draft law
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that threatens
fundamental freedoms
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including the right to assembly.
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Opposition members tried to
block the vote but failed.
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The main two things
which shocked me
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that at some point, people
lost sense of humor on Maidan.
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And almost next day they
lost fear of death.
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This is still something
which puzzles me
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because I cannot decipher the
psychological instruments
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which force people to forget
about security, safety,
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about their personal life,
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personal obligations to their
families and to the closed ones,
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and how they become ready
to die for their country
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which was always corrupt.
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The BBC can'’t independently
verify this footage
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but video has emerged
which appears to show
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president Yanukovych's entourage
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fleeing from his luxurious
mansion outside Kyiv...
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This afternoon crowds
of curious Ukrainians
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streamed into Yanukovych'’s
sprawling compound.
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It'’s a huge estate. I mean,
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they say it'’s half the
size of Monaco,
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costs millions of
Euros in making.
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A lot of protesters
are very unhappy
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that Yanukovych had
such a place to live
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given that living standards
in this country are so low
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that average monthly salary
is around 300 Euros.
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What was the level of
Yanukovych'’s corruption?
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it'’s hard to compare in hard
numbers how Yanukovych
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ranks to his predecessors,
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but Yanukovych seems to have
been in a class by himself.
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I've seen one account
that suggests
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in four years he stole
perhaps ten billion dollars.
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There was never anything
quite like the Maidan.
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There was never a
revolutionary movement
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on behalf of unified
Europe before.
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People never died in the
name of a united Europe.
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Before that never happened.
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There's never been a movement
this far East in Europe
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which was chiefly
about the rule of law.
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America is officially calling a
"“Russian invasion of Ukraine."”
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"“This is a Russian invasion."”
The US says.
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There is no doubt these
are Russian forces
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roaming the roads here
in Ukraine'’s Crimea.
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There was an opportunity
that I think Putin saw
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given what was
going on in Kyiv,
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to basically return Crimea
to Russian control.
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A few days after
Yanukovych fled Kyiv,
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we saw the appearance of
what the Ukrainians called
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"“little green men."
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Combat soldiers who, when you
watch them on television,
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by the way they handled
their weapons,
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they were clearly
professional soldiers.
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Very well-trained
professional soldiers.
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They were in Russian combat
uniform, but no insignia.
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The military invasion of
Russia to Ukrainian Crimea
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was absolutely predictable.
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Putin started to think about
the annexation of Crimea
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immediately after the war
with Georgia in 2008.
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And Vladimir Putin
knew for sure the West
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would not be intervening
in the military sense
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to this situation in
Crimea in Ukraine.
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What you've seen in
terms of Russian action
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is really egregious.
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It's a land grab.
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You can't find any
other instance
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where a European state
has used military force
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basically to change
borders and take territory
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from another country.
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For Vladimir Putin
annexation of Crimea
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was to give more
energy to this myth
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that Ukraine and Russia
are the same nation.
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And he thought it would
be only beginning,
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because he planned
annex not only Crimea.
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He really thinks that
Ukraine doesn't exist.
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Having so effortlessly
gobbled up Crimea,
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it'’s very easy to see
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that Putin at that point was
encouraged to keep going.
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There's a Russian saying: "“the
eating increases the appetite."”
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And I think it applies
very much to Putin.
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Reuters has reported
eyewitness accounts
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of the appearance of Russian
army troops without insignia
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in East Ukraine.
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After a firefight near
the Russian border
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of the Ukrainian
city of Kramatorsk,
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pro-Russian militants seized
the police headquarters.
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This is Horlivka. They'’re
storming the building.
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Throwing rocks through windows.
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And the police inside
are throwing out smoke grenades
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and stun grenades.
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When I was watching the Russian
invasion of Eastern Ukraine,
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for me it was deja vu.
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Not long before I had
finished writing a book about
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the Stalinization, Sovietization
of Eastern Europe in 1945.
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The methods were
exactly the same.
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It was what Russians
call 'maskirovka'.
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Pretend they'’re not
really Russians.
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Create fake political parties.
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Create fake slogans.
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Recruit local criminals
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to undermine what
existing power there is.
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This is what the pro-Russian
revolution in Eastern Ukraine
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looks like from the inside.
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The idea was to create
the semblance
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of a separatist movement.
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Persuade a few
people to join it.
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Persuade the outside world
that that'’s what it was.
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All under the guise of it being
de facto Russian invasion.
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Of course now it'’s more than
clear that's what it was.
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{\an8}Ukraine'’s army has launched an
aggressive military operation
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{\an8}as the government tries to
regain control of several...
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{\an8}Ukrainian army setting up
their positions on the road
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{\an8}into Slovyansk,
checking vehicles...
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I think Putin'’s original goal
was to divide Ukraine.
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What he didn'’t expect was
pushback from the Ukrainians.
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After Crimea was so
easily conquered,
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he expected to walk into
Odessa and other cities
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and have exactly
the same reaction.
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And I think what he has never
understood, and this has always
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been hard for Russians
to understand, is that
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there is such a thing as a
Ukrainian national identity.
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{\an8}There are reports that
the Ukrainian army
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{\an8}moved forward this morning.
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{\an8}But we've heard from reporters
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{\an8}that Russian groups had
reestablished positions.
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Ukraine has become a testing
ground for the Russian military.
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But with one very significant
modern circumstance,
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additional condition.
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And that'’s the Propaganda War.
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When I look at what Russian
propaganda is spreading,
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I wonder at the
power of Photoshop.
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How Photoshop can be very easily
used to distort the picture.
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The massive lies spread by
the Russian propaganda,
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even before the war started,
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were a key factor in
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destabilizing situation
in Ukraine.
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{\an8}During the three months
of armed clashes
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{\an8}in the Donbas region,
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{\an8}the Kyiv authorities have
not been able to quell
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{\an8}the uprising of the
People'’s militia.
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{\an8}Inept command, thousands
of dead soldiers
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{\an8}and a critical
shortage of funding
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{\an8}does not give the Kyiv regime
any hope for winning.
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{\an8}Why do Americans need this war?
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All wars have a propaganda
and disinformation element.
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This one is nothing new.
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What we've seen, over
the last two years,
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is a massive propaganda campaign
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and a very-very successful
disinformation campaign.
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{\an8}...Russia does not only protect
its national interests,
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{\an8}but seeks to prevent the
outbreak of World War Three.
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The Russians understand
western media
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far better than the western
media understands itself,
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and they play to the western
media's short attention span.
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If you keep track, you'll
see actors and actresses
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playing different roles
in different places.
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They just move from
one place to another.
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If you keep track, you
know what'’s going on.
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But in the flood of events, what
happens is the Russians do that,
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and then they do something else.
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And each is treated
as a separate story
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or ignored as
part of the noise.
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As long as the Russian
government can always
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have its message out there,
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it will get it covered.
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As outrageous as it may be.
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Statements that are
just simply untrue.
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A Malaysian airliner with
295 people on board
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crashes in Eastern Ukraine.
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We'’ll be live across the world
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assessing the impact
of this disaster...
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...bound for Cuala Lumpur,
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roughly three hours
later Ukrainian
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air traffic controllers lost
contact with the plane.
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Kremlin-backed forces
boasted online
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of shooting down a Ukrainian
military transport plane,
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before hastily
removing the posts
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after realizing minutes later
they had mistakenly shot down
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the international
passenger flight.
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The passengers onboard that
plane were from all over Europe,
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Asia, even Australia.
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But most of them on board,
154 of the 295 onboard,
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were Dutch.
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Also, disturbing reports that
as many as 80 children
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could have been onboard.
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Another disturbing layer to
this already horrific story.
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There were truly horrific
pictures of people
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from Donetsk and Luhansk
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raiding the wreckage
from this downed plane.
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Had this gone on for very long,
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it would have become obvious
to everyone I think,
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if nothing else had occured,
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that the Russian
government bore
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ultimate responsibility
for this.
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But it didn't happen that way.
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When the Malaysian airplane
went down over Ukraine,
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that was something
they didn't plan,
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they didn't mean
for that to happen.
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And so they just threw
up a lot of messages.
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The Americans did it,
the CIA did it,
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it was the same Malaysian plane
that went down over the Pacific.
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The CIA dredged it up,
filled it with corpses.
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They have these ideas,
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and the point of those ideas is
not that anybody believes them,
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but that a real tragedy
involving real human beings
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becomes just a media event.
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Returning to the Netherlands
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where their tragic
journey began,
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the first of the victims
of Flight MH17.
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40 bodies, all of them
yet to be identified,
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carried out of the cargo planes,
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with the dignity and
respect they deserve.
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It took the shooting down
of a Western airplane,
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it took the deaths of
Europeans and Australians
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to really wake the West
up to what Putin was.
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And to the lawlessness
that he represented.
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And to the fact that that
was really dangerous
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not just for Ukrainians,
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but for everybody else.
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We ask our partners
not to lift sanctions
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until Ukraine takes over the
control of its entire territory
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starting with the East of
Ukraine and ending with Crimea.
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Crimea was, is, and will
be a part of Ukraine.
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Mister Putin, you will never win
the fight against the nation,
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united Ukrainian nation.
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Despite the war,
despite everything,
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the main problem in
Ukraine is rule of law.
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And if that problem
could be solved,
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then not only would all the
other problems in Ukraine
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fall into proportion,
resolve themselves,
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but also that would be
the best possible result
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for the rest of Eastern Europe
or for that matter, just Europe.
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Because getting over the hump
from corruption to rule of law
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is a lot harder than having
a revolt or a revolution.
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Ukraine faces a very
difficult future.
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They have these two
big challenges.
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One is that they've got to
restructure their economy,
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to put on the decentralization.
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There's a lot of things
they need to do
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to make Ukraine a state
that functions better
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in terms of meeting the
requirements of the population.
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And they have to do it
while they are engaged
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in this military conflict
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with the separatists and
the Russians in the east.
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Ukrainian society is
united more than before.
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And it was consolidated
by Maidan events.
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They are together. And it
doesn'’t matter whether they are
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Jews, Greeks,
Bulgarians, Hungarians.
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The only way forward
for Ukraine,
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and the only way to
move towards Europe,
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is to build a political nation.
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Where everybody feels equal
and everybody feels Ukrainian
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as in England, everyone
feels British,
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whether they are
Indian, Pakistanis,
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ex-Polish, Russian, or
English, or Scottish.
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Ukraine'’s become a piece
of a bigger struggle
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which I think is really
going to be about the future
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of European democracy.
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Can European democracy even
survive, into the 21st Century?
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Ukraine is really the
first step in a Russian
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attempt and effort to undermine
and destroy the West.
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And this is said
openly in Russia.
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You don't need to be a
conspiracy theorist
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to think that.
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Ukraine is an illustration
and a demonstration
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of Russia's national goals.
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Precisely for the reasons
that Putin fears and opposes
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the rise of a democratic,
prosperous rule of law Ukraine,
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we should be doing everything
we can to encourage it.
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I am convinced that the path
to democracy in Russia
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goes through Ukraine.
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