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[Birds chirping]

[Instrumental music]

[Panting]

Dad. Hurry up.

We're gonna be
late for the game.

Dad.

Dad, come on!

[Screams]

[Police siren wailing]

I just went in and
he was like that.

Did either of you notice
anyone around the house today?

- Anything unusual?
- No. Why would anyone kill him?

James didn't have
an enemy in the world.

That weird guy from down
the street was here earlier.

- 'What guy, honey?'
- 'Charlie.'

daddy told him to go away

and he called daddy a name.

When did this happen?

I don't know, like, a
few hours ago, I guess.

Do you know this
guy, Mrs. Roberts?

Yes, Charlie forsberg.

He lives with his mother
a few houses down.

Have you had any
problems with him before?

No. He just seems
a little weird is all.

'He wanders around
the neighborhood.'

he made James nervous.

You said you knew
which house he lives in?

[Leaf blower whirring]

Rick.

[Suspense music]

[Indistinct chatter on TV]

[Crash]

[Intense music]

Are you alright?

Is there anyone
else in the house?

(Rick) 'Hands in the air!'

'do it now!'

please.

There must be some mistake.

Charlie, tell them, please!

'No!'

[indistinct radio chatter]

[Sobs]

Charles forsberg, ladies and
gentlemen, took a claw hammer

to his neighbor's forehead.

- Do we know the motive?
- 'Not yet.'

evidently, they did have
words earlier that day

but it's not clear
what it was about.

(Pitts) 'Forsberg
has no priors.'

he has no history of
any trouble of any kind.

He pretty much kept to himself.

(Steve) 'Murder weapon was
in his possession at the time

of his arrest, with
the victim's blood on it.

'Motive may not be
all that important.'

juries always like to know
the "why" behind the "how."

The police went in
without a warrant?

They didn't need one.

They saw blood on the curb.

They heard someone
cry out inside the structure

then they went in.

They believed
someone was at risk

didn't have time for a warrant.

- It's a clear exception.
- Who did they hear inside?

The suspect's mother.

Does any of this even matter? I
mean, the guy confessed, right?

You know, as soon as
they got the cuffs on him

he told the arresting officer
that he killed James Roberts.

Even with the confession
we still need to build a case.

What else do we
know about this guy?

We know that he has an
interest in unsolved crimes.

We searched his
bedroom, he had print-outs

clippings, you name it,
about two missing people.

Danielle Minnick,
30-year-old real estate agent

disappeared six months ago.

'Kirsten Sullivan.'

s-she's been missing
for over a year.

- Fourteen-years-old.
- I remember that one.

Her parents were
all over the news

pleading for her return.

And we were
involved in both cases

but we never had a prime
suspect for either one.

You've got one now.

It's not a crime
to be a crime buff.

Any evidence of
mental instability?

Other than smashing
in a guy's head, none.

Unless you count the
fact that he's 32 years old,

and he still lives
with his mother.

I can't imagine
living with my mother.

Haven't you heard?
It's the new thing.

Stay at home as long as possible

live off your parents,
and save your money.

- Can't beat the rent.
- Or the cooking.

Oh, Danny, say it isn't so.

- I'm looking for a place.
- 'Here you go.'

(Danny) 'Hey, law
school was expensive.'

[laughs]

What's up?

Charlie forsberg has confessed

to the murder of
Danielle Minnick

'the missing realtor.'

'this may be just
the beginning.'

we might have a serial
killer on our hands.

[Dramatic music]

He still waiving
his right to counsel?

Somebody up there likes you.

[Scoffs] Let's see how much.

[Door opens]

Mr. Forsberg, I'm annabeth
chase, I'm a deputy prosecutor.

I know you've already
spoken to the police

but can you tell me again
why you killed Mr. Roberts?

Like I said before,
he made me mad.

Do you kill everyone
who makes you mad?

Don't be stupid.

What made you so mad
you wanted to kill him?

- He wasn't nice to me.
- That's why you killed him?

I was going for a walk

and his daughter was playing
soccer in front of the house.

'The ball rolled
towards the street'

and I kicked it back to her.

Then I stood and watched
her play for a second.

He said, "keep moving."

Like I wasn't good enough
to stand in front of his house.

Like he was better than me.

Maybe he just didn't
like the way you were

looking at his little girl.

Hey!

I don't do that.

I'm not interested in kids.

That's sick.

So you left after
he asked you to?

(Charlie) 'Yeah.'

but I kept thinking about it.

About the way he looked at me.

Down at me.

I know that look.

And what do you mean
you know that look?

Nothing.

You were telling us about
how Mr. Roberts made you mad

so you went back to confront him

tell him off. Is that
what happened?

- 'And then you got in a fight?'
- Nope.

- I went back to kill him.
- So did you argue with him?

Tell him what made you so mad?

I wasn't interested
in talking to him.

Where'd you get the hammer?

My toolbox, obviously.

'What about the real estate
agent, Danielle Minnick?'

she thought she was
better than me, too.

I said hello to her
once in line at the store

and she didn't even turn
around and look at me.

Acted like I was invisible.

You don't like being
invisible, do you?

What about the stuff
we found in your room?

I like reading about that stuff.

Killing women.

(Mike) 'Yeah, sure.'

it's interesting.

But it's more interesting
when you're reading

about stuff you did, isn't it?

I mean, all that press

police activity.

That must make you
feel pretty important.

I guess.

You had articles

'about Kirsten Sullivan's
disappearance.'

'what can you
tell us about her?'

like what?

Like do you know where she is?

Yep.

You know where that girl is?

Is she alive?

Come on, Charlie, you
don't want somebody else

getting credit for that, do you?

I killed Kirsten, too.

Where is she?

Buried her where I told
you to look for the realty lady

'out in north hendrichs.'

guess people won't ignore
you now, huh, Charlie?

There was no time
to call for a warrant.

Because you heard someone
cry out from inside the house?

Right. Imminent threat.

That's why we
went in, Ms. Scofield.

We had reason to
believe he'd already

killed the guy in
the greenhouse.

So when we heard
the woman inside

we couldn't take a chance.

And where was the
blood outside the house?

There were several drops
on the street near the house.

Well, the lab confirmed it,
the blood was from the victim.

Must have come off
the murder weapon

when Charlie carried it home.

(Rick) So this guy's
going away, right?

I hear he ponied up for a
couple other murders, too.

Case is solid.
Thanks to both of you.

Looks like we've got a
serial killer off the street.

Sometimes it
does all work right.

Not often enough but, hey

we take it when it comes.

[Elevator bill dings]

- Thank you. Hi.
- Hi.

I heard Charlie confessed
to killing Kirsten Sullivan.

Yeah. I still don't
get it though.

He goes from killing
a teenager last year

to a young woman
six months ago..

Thank you. And now a-a
family man in his late 30s?

I mean, that's hardly the
pattern of a serial killer.

Maybe he's an equal
opportunity crazy.

State shrink says he's
competent to stand trial.

Competent is one
thing, crazy is another.

Now the only reason
Charlie's given is that

his victims weren't nice to him.

That doesn't track,
somebody pisses you off

maybe you kill them
out of anger once.

But if you kill a
second, third time

you've got a better reason
than just people being rude.

You kill that many
times, you enjoy killing.

[Chuckles] He sure enjoys
confessing, I'll tell you that.

How'd it go with the police?

The reports line up
on Charlie's arrest.

Add the evidence from
the house to the confessions

and we're in pretty good shape.

Never count your
chickens, ladies.

We've just received
a motion to suppress

all the evidence
from Charlie's house.

The blood, the
weapon, the research

on the other cases, all of it.

- What? On what grounds?
- 'No warrant.'

his attorney is
claiming illegal entry

and violation of
search and seizure.

Who's his public defender?

Ah! Joseph Wright
has taken the case.

Of Wright, Holden and
Schultz? That's impressive.

Evidently, Charlie's
mother hired him.

But she's the reason
the police went in.

They heard her in
distress inside the house.

Not according to her.

(Maureen) I will talk
to Charlie's neighbors

and see if I can nail down

grounds for the cops
entering without a warrant.

Good idea. Maybe somebody
else heard Charlie's mom scream.

Okay.

Your honor, there was no reason

for the police to
enter that house

without first getting a warrant.

It's the same nonsense they
used when they jumped oj's wall.

'They claimed he was
at risk when in fact'

he was their prime suspect

and they just
wanted in the house.

(Annabeth) Your honor, the
arresting officers had every reason

to think someone was in danger
in Charlie forsberg's house.

Sir, I have a statement
from Emily forsberg

the defendant's mother, claiming
she made no noise whatsoever

let alone scream or cry out.

Okay, so the police would lie

but his own mother wouldn't?

I couldn't put it better myself.

Your honor, the officer
found Mr. Forsberg

'right next to the
murder weapon'

which shows they were
wholly justified in assuming

he posed a risk to
anyone in that house

not to mention the
materials they found

relating to the other murders
he's since confessed to.

(Judge hanophy) But
if the arrest was illegal

they'd all be fruits from the
same poisoned tree, Ms. Chase.

Exactly, sir. Anything
found in that house

should be deemed
inadmissible at trial.

Please, what's next? What?
Do you want your client released?

- As a matter of fact..
- 'Forget it, Mr. Wright.'

your client's not
going anywhere.

But I will take the suppression
motion under advisement.

[Instrumental music]

You'd never guess, would you?

I'm sorry?

Well, the house.

It pretty much looks the same

as all the other
ones on the street.

You'd never guess that such
a terrible person grew up there.

Did you know Charlie?

Oh, I've lived
here over 20 years.

Everybody knows everybody.

He never was the
friendliest fellow

but I certainly didn't know

he was capable of
murdering someone, never.

I feel so sorry for Emily.

Poor thing

losing her husband
so young and now this.

Were you home the
morning of the murder?

Oh, yes. I was
baking banana bread

when I saw the police outside.

Next thing I knew,
one of the officers

was walking around
back with his gun out.

The other one was kicking
down the front door, just like TV.

I got so wound up,
I burned my bread.

Did you say one of the officers
was moving toward the back?

They didn't go in together?

No, uh, the-the one
who kicked down the door

uh, was shouting to her partner

and, uh, he went running back.

I'm surprised he
could hear anything

what with Mr. Hoggins next door

with his darn leaf
blower running.

Y-You know, I-I told
the other lawyer all this.

Didn't he tell you?

- What lawyer?
- Oh, well, the nice fellow.

He was very well dressed.
Uh, what was his name?

Mr. Wright, that was it.

Do you two work together?

Not exactly.

How'd the suppression
hearing go?

(Annabeth) 'Unfortunately, the
judge is taking it under advisement.'

let's just say I've had
better days in court.

Don't shoot the messenger,
but I'm about to take your

lousy day and
make it disastrous.

- What?
- I think the police are lying.

- You're kidding.
- 'Wait, it gets worse.'

the defense knows it, and
I think they can prove it.

In their reports
both officers said

they heard someone cry
out from inside the house.

Maybe they both did.

Not if officer abbott was
where the neighbor said

and the leaf blower
was running back here.

They also said they
went in at the same time

through the front
door in response to

hearing Charlie's mother.

"And we both entered
the house at that time."

That's not consistent with
what the neighbor said, either.

And now that Wright knows it,
you can bet the judge does, too.

We could risk losing
all the evidence

that was inside that house

including the bloody murder
weapon and the clippings

'linking him to the murders
of Danielle and Kirsten.'

so do we believe
the cops or the mother

'who said she did not cry out?'

this is a woman who's been
a widow for over 20 years

and she still wears
her wedding ring.

I mean, she's devoted
her life to the only thing

she had left, her son.

Must be hard to
face the possibility

that you raised
a vicious killer.

I think denial is
probably easier for her

than the pain of admitting
failure as a parent.

So, what, you think this
is all her fault somehow?

- Nurture over nature?
- No, but she might.

Well, she's obviously
going to be no help to us.

So can we win the case
if the judge throws out

'all the evidence
from the house?'

the lab results are back.

Charlie's footprints were
found near the greenhouse

so were several hairs
and fibers from his jacket.

And we know that he
argued with the victim earlier

and we have the victim's
blood near Charlie's house.

It's all circumstantial.

If we lose the hammer and
the victim's blood in the house

it's not going to be easy.

Well, let's wait and see how
bad the neighbor hurts us.

Hey. Looks like we found
one of Charlie's victims.

- Which one?
- 'Don't know yet.'

police just found a
body up in the area

where he said he
buried the two females.

Let's you and I go up
there. I want to make sure

that the police are
keeping the press at bay

and I want to remind
them what's at stake.

The evidence they
find at or near the body

may be all we have to
connect Charlie to the murders.

We still haven't been
able to put him with

either Kirsten or Danielle.

Keep at it, now that
he's got a lawyer

the confessions may be the
next thing to be challenged.

This was the last picture
we have of Kirsten.

She disappeared about a
month after this was taken.

'She was 14.'

Mr. and Mrs.
Sullivan, I am so sorry.

We never gave up hope.

All this time we kept thinking

we'd find her and
bring her home.

It's the not knowing
that's so hard

do you think they found her?

We won't know until
they've had a chance

to run all the tests.

This forsberg, this, uh..

Thing that killed our baby

did he say why?

No, he didn't give a reason.

Did you know him
or have any reason

to think Kirsten did?

No, certainly not.

We don't live near him.

I really can't imagine
where he saw her.

We always tried to know where
she was, who she was with.

Well, we are pushing
hard on all fronts.

'You can be certain of that.'

and I'll let you know as
soon as I hear anything more.

[Instrumental music]

[Dogs barking]

[Indistinct radio chatter]

- What do we got?
- 'Female.'

(brown) 'Looks like she's
been out here about six'

'maybe eight months.'

(Steve) 'Can you tell the age?'

(brown) 'From the height
and the pelvic width'

I'd say she's between 25 and 30.

That fits the description

of that real estate
agent, Danielle.

So Kirsten's still
out here somewhere.

We're expanding the search
area, with this as our epicenter.

If anyone else is buried
out here, we'll find them.

Your honor, before
you rule may I be heard?

Go ahead.

I think it's important
that the court be aware

that the police have located

the body of what appears
to be Danielle Minnick.

They did so in the very
area Charles forsberg

claimed he buried her.

Your honor, my client
was fascinated by crime

and police investigations

as indicated by the materials

which were illegally
found in his room.

He did copious research
on these unsolved cases

and it was well-covered
in the press at the time

'that the police were searching'

'that particular part
of hendrichs county.'

and so what are you saying?

He made a lucky guess
where the body could be found?

- Exactly.
- 'This is ridiculous.'

he didn't merely tell
us where to find her

he confessed to killing her.

A confession on the
heels of an illegal search.

Any confession my client made
should be thrown out as well.

Nice try, but not a
chance, counselor.

What he chose to tell the police

after he was taken
into custody is on him.

I have a sworn statement

from my client's
mother stating that quote

"Charlie often makes up stories

and exaggerates things" unquote.

Right, anything else from mommy?

Maybe she's the one
with the vivid imagination.

Okay, you can both save the
song and dance for the trial.

Right now, the matter
before us is the admissibility

of the evidence taken
from the defendant's home

following his arrest.

'The mother says
she didn't call out.'

'the police say she did.'

but the neighbors statement

directly contradicts
the police reports.

Reports, which are, by the way

carbon copies of each other.

(Judge hanophy) 'I'm
aware of that, counselor.'

add the leaf blower
into the mix, and

quite frankly, I don't feel that
I have reasonable certainty

'that either officer heard
anything inside that house.'

while it pains me
to do so, Ms. Chase

I must rule in favor of
the defense in this matter

'and Grant the
motion to suppress'

'everything discovered
inside the forsberg house.'

your honor, without the blood
evidence, the murder weapon

or the materials relating
to the other crimes

there is a real risk
that a dangerous killer

could escape justice.

An alleged killer.

(Judge hanophy) You'll have
to make the case another way.

It's incumbent upon the
state to err on the side of more

rather than less protection

'for potential abuses of
the fourth amendment.'

the evidence is out.

It's gonna be tough
to make the case

in the greenhouse murder
with the evidence suppressed.

Not all of it, just
from inside the house.

We've still got
Charlie's footprints

fibers and hairs
near the greenhouse

and the blood on the
curb near his house.

Which the defense
will try to explain away.

So mostly what we have
are Charlie's confessions.

What about the body they found?

The coroner did
make a positive ID.

It is the real estate
agent, Danielle.

Unfortunately, they
couldn't find anything

at the gravesite to connect
Charlie to the murder.

- Nothing at all?
- No hairs, no traceable fibers.

(Pitts) We do have this.

After she disappeared
the police checked

'security videos of stores
she was in that day.'

'forsberg did see her.'

that part of his
confession checks out.

He was interviewed at the
time along with everybody else

who was in the store, but
he was never a suspect.

(Steve) 'Any luck in finding
the body of the little girl'

Charlie confessed
to killing, uh, Kirsten?

Not yet. We've
expanded the search area

several hundred yards beyond
where he said he put her.

So far, nothing.

Let's make her case a
part of this trial, as well.

Good. Charlie's
confessed to three killings.

We've got two bodies.

My guess is they'll
find a third body soon.

I think the jury will believe
he killed Kirsten anyway

even without the body.

(Annabeth) 'Ladies
and gentlemen'

'James Roberts
and Danielle Minnick'

were both brutally
murdered by Charlie forsberg.

James was a loving
husband and father.

Danielle was 30.

She worked as a real estate
agent and was preparing

for her realtor's exam.

'The body of Kirsten
Sullivan has yet to be located'

but the defendant has
also confessed to killing her.

Kirsten was only 14 years old.

There is no doubt
that Charlie forsberg

committed all of these murders.

'In fact, you will
hear him admit'

'to killing each one
of these three people'

in cold blood, with
no other reason

than he felt they
weren't nice to him.

(Joseph) And as you will see

the evidence is
circumstantial at best.

Ladies and gentlemen, you
will also hear expert testimony

that these so-called confessions

were nothing more than
my client's misguided attempt

to attract attention
from authority figures.

'The kind of attention
that he has never received'

due to the tragic
loss of his father

while he was still a young boy.

'Yes, ladies and gentlemen,
my client needs help.'

'there is no doubt about that.'

but that does not make him

a killer.

Loretta, why did your dad
tell Charlie to go away?

He was just standing there

sort of staring.

- He's kind of weird.
- Objection.

Sustained.

Loretta, try to just say what
happened that day, okay?

What happened the
day your dad died?

Okay. Daddy kept
telling Charlie to go away.

I could tell Charlie
and daddy were mad.

- Is that okay?
- Yes, that's fine, dear.

(Joseph) 'I'm just going to ask
you a couple of questions, alright?'

um, you said your daddy
asked Charlie to go away.

Did-did Charlie leave when
your daddy asked him to?

Yeah.

Did you see Charlie
come back after that

or go in or out of
the greenhouse

any time later that day?

- No.
- 'No.'

(Joseph) 'And
where was the blood?'

on the curb in front
of the forsberg house.

In front of the
forsberg house, really?

Because from what I can tell

it's at best, near the house.

Your honor, I'd say
he's leading the witness

but it's more like he's
just testifying himself.

Stick to asking
questions, counselor.

I'm sorry, your honor.

Officer, let me rephrase that.

Based on this
evidence was the blood

directly in front of the house?

No.

So as far as you
know the killer could've

crossed the street here

or gone into a different house.

I suppose.

In fact, based on the evidence

the killer could
have gotten into a car

right here and driven away.

Isn't that so?

Yes.

Thank you.

Mr. Brown.

So, you did find evidence that
Mr. Forsberg had been there?

Yes, near the greenhouse,
we found footprints as well as

several hair and fibers

that match those
of the defendant.

Thank you.

We have heard testimony
that Mr. Forsberg occasionally

wandered around
the neighborhood.

If he had been on the Roberts'
property at some other time

is it possible that
he could have left

these footprints
and fibers then?

In fact, isn't it possible

he could have left them
the day before the killing

or, let's say, the
day before that?

I suppose so. Yes.

Were you the lead technical
investigator at the sight

where Danielle Minnick's
body was located?

Yes.

And did you
discover any evidence

connecting my
client to that victim?

- No.
- No?

- 'No footprints, no fibers?'
- No.

So, you discovered
absolutely nothing

to suggest, let alone prove

that she was killed
by the defendant?

Except he told us
where to find her body.

(Annabeth on TV) 'So you
went back to confront him'

'tell him off, is that
what happened?'

no.

- I went back to kill him.
- 'So did you argue with him?'

(annabeth on TV) 'Tell him
what made you so mad?'

(Charlie on TV) 'I wasn't
interested in talking to him.'

- 'where'd you get the hammer?'
- My toolbox, obviously.

(Annabeth on TV) 'And what
about the woman, Danielle Minnick?'

'why did you kill her?'

she thought she was
better than me, too.

'I said hello to her in
line at the store once'

and she didn't even turn
around and look at me.

Acted like I was invisible.

Detective, is it
unusual for someone

to confess to murder?

I suppose. It would
make our job a lot easier.

Indeed, it would.

And in your experience

would you say

it's also unusual

for a motive of, "people
weren't very nice to me?"

- Objection. Relevance.
- Getting there, your honor.

I'll allow it.

I suppose.

It's usually a bit
more specific.

I can't speak to the
pathology of Mr. Forsberg.

No. You can't.

I'm a clinical psychologist

and I've been practicing
for about 15 years.

And did you examine
Mr. Forsberg?

(Female #1) 'I did.'

and what was your
determination, doctor?

I think he suffers from
a general social anxiety.

His history of leaving jobs

his unusually close
relationship with his mother

all these things
have rendered Charlie

incapable of normal
social interaction.

You know, I watched
my client's confession

and I have to say, he didn't
seem under any undue stress.

In fact, he appeared calm,
even relaxed. How can that be?

That's because he
adopted an identity finally.

Granted, it happens
to be that of a killer

but it gave him a persona
to occupy whereas before

he effectively had none at all.

Would you say Charlie
is a pathological liar?

No. He's not incapable
of telling the truth.

So, there is really
no reason to believe

he lied about killing these
people, is there, doctor?

All I can tell you is that

Charlie is capable
of telling the truth.

I'll take that as a yes.

[Joseph clears throat]

Doctor, being able to
tell the truth is one thing

but in your expert opinion
is it also possible that this

socially isolated individual

was actually enjoying

the intense attention
he was getting?

Absolutely.

And in fact, despite
these serious accusations

might make a false confession?

Certainly. He thought
his life was meaningless.

That he was invisible.

This gave him an identity.

So the fact that he
admitted to these killings

does not mean that he did them?

Not necessarily, that's correct.

Thank you.

Doctor, does it mean
that he didn't kill them?

No.

That's also possible.

Thank you.

Counselor, may we proceed?

Your honor, I'd like to
request a brief recess.

We'll reconvene in one hour.

What's going on?

That Sullivan girl turned up.

They found Kirsten? God.

Was she buried near
Danielle where forsberg said?

Not even close.

She's right there.

[Music continues]

We just got her back.

Do we have to do this now?

I think we do.

Kirsten, you had a lot of people

very worried about
you for a long time.

Are you aware that a man
is on trial for your murder?

Yeah, I saw it on TV.

Where have you
been all this time?

In Cameron's apartment.

You told us you
stopped seeing him.

Only 'cause you
told me I had to.

He was 19. She was a baby.

Are you saying you haven't left

your boyfriend's
apartment in the past year?

I'd go out at night sometimes

'when nobody would notice.'

Kirsten, we were
sick with worry.

How could you let us think that
you were dead this whole time?

I'm sorry.

Why did you come back now?

I saw somebody said
he killed me on the news.

'That was sort of too weird'

and Cameron and me broke up.

I can't imagine how she could
put her parents through this.

I mean, running away
is one thing, but this?

This.. It's just cruel.

I'm having the
boyfriend arrested.

We're going to charge
him with lying to the police

as well as statutory rape.

Wright's been pushing hard
on the pathological liar angle.

This plays right into his hands.

Talk to the judge, see if
you can minimize the damage

he can do with this news.

Okay.

Your honor, clearly
this is grounds

for the immediate dismissal

of all charges
against my client.

How do you figure that?

Because it proves what
I've been arguing all along.

He confessed to the
murders for the attention.

Perhaps you're aware, one of
the alleged victims is not dead?

(Judge hanophy) 'Let's not
get carried away, Mr. Wright.'

all we know for sure is that

he lied about killing
Kirsten Sullivan.

I'll inform the jury the third
murder charge has been dropped

we'll proceed on
the other two victims.

And I would ask that
you instruct the defense

not to introduce
any further details

pertaining to Kirsten's return.

Allowing him to expand
upon the basic facts

would be highly
prejudicial, your honor.

That is outrageous, sir.

Her being alive goes to
the heart of my defense.

The defense may
utilize this girl's return

any way it sees fit,
within reason, counselor.

Don't make a
mockery of my court.

It'll be up to the
jury to decide

how much to weight it
against everything else.

(Annabeth on TV) 'Is she alive? Come
on, Charlie. You don't want somebody else'

'getting credit
for that, do you?'

yeah.

- I killed Kirsten, too.
- 'Where is she?'

buried in the same place I told
you to look for the realty lady

out in north Hendricks.

Your honor, we call
Kirsten Sullivan to the stand.

Would you please state
your name for the record?

Kirsten Elizabeth Sullivan.

And are you the same Kirsten
Sullivan who was reported

missing in January of last year?

Yes.

(Joseph) The defendant,
Charlie forsberg

is currently on trial
for your murder.

'But the truth is that
you chose to leave home'

of your own free will

and have, in fact, been
living with your boyfriend

for the past 12
months, is that correct?

Yes.

(Joseph) 'Do you
know Charles forsberg?'

no.

Have you ever seen him before?

- No, never.
- Thank you.

And may I just
say, it is delightful

to see you alive and well.

Nothing further.

Prosecution wish to
examine this witness?

- No, your honor.
- Your honor, defense rests.

Very well. We'll hear
closing arguments Monday.

[Bangs gavel]

We're back, reporting live
from the Indianapolis courthouse

where wpkw has learned
of new development..

How did it go?

As bad as you'd expect.

Y-You could see it in the
jurors faces. Wright got them.

If they really think Charlie
made it up, they could acquit.

You still have your closing.

It's gonna to be hard
to UN-ring this bell.

I mean, t-the verdict is a
total crapshoot at this point.

Talk to Wright, maybe
he's not at all sure

how the jury will go, either.

Let's see if we can
offer him a deal.

Charlie forsberg murdered
two people in cold blood.

Propose two counts of
manslaughter, 24 years.

If he offers a
reasonable counter

it may be our best play here.

'It's better than having
him back on the street'

'in an acquittal.'

better for all of us.

[Reporters clamoring]

- Did you just see that?
- I think I did.

How could Kirsten
know Charlie's mother?

Let's find out. And, annabeth,
see if you can dig anything

out of Charlie about this.

Kirsten, how do you
know Mrs. Forsberg?

Who's that?

She is the mother
of the man on trial.

You hugged her outside
of court yesterday.

Oh, yeah. She always just
told us her to call her Emily.

'I didn't know she
was that guy's mom.'

she was sometimes
like a tutor outside school.

And that's the only time
you saw her after school?

Yeah.

Once, when I missed the late
bus, she gave me a ride home.

[Cell buzzer buzzing]

I'm prepared to
reduce the charge to

two counts of manslaughter.

He serves 24 years.

Well, you must be joking

because you have
absolutely no evidence

that my client killed
Danielle Minnick.

But we all know he
killed James Roberts

and the jury just heard him
confess to killing Danielle.

He could get life.

Or he could walk

because we both know what
those confessions are worth now.

I'll tell you what.
I'll go you halfway.

He does one count, eight years.

There was an
argument, it escalated

and Charlie will admit
to striking Mr. Roberts

in the heat of the moment.

And what about Danielle Minnick.

As with Kirsten Sullivan,
my client falsely took credit

for her tragic death.

Tell me, Charlie, why did
you lie about killing Kirsten?

You don't have to answer that.

Maybe I would have
killed her if I had to.

- Why would you have to?
- Just would have.

But saying you
killed a little girl

I mean, you must have known

that would upset your
mother even more.

- Leave her out of this.
- Okay, that's enough.

(Annabeth) Why? Were
you trying to hurt her?

Is that what all this is about?

Hurting your mom?

Ms. Chase, I said that's enough.

I would never hurt my mother.

Never.

But you did.

Did you know she knew Kirsten?

She gave her a hug today in
the courthouse, it was very sweet.

- That's a lie.
- Charlie.

You're lying. She wouldn't.

That girl just tried
to take her away.

- They all did.
- That is enough!

We are done here.
Thank you very much.

Charlie's mother tutored

a couple afternoons a
week at Kirsten's school.

After she disappeared

the volunteer program
was discontinued.

The parents wanted their kids to
come straight home after school.

But Kirsten claims she
never even met Charlie.

Doesn't mean he never saw her.

I keep trying to find a
way to connect Charlie

to each of these victims.

But what if we're
looking at this all wrong.

What if it wasn't Charlie's
connection to these people

that was so important.

What if it was his mother's?

'I think Charlie became
so attached to his mother'

that he was unwilling
to share her with anyone.

But Charlie didn't kill Kirsten.

No, but her disappearance
could have given him the idea.

After Kirsten vanished, mom
was suddenly home more.

Charlie realized that
if the people that were

coming between them
were out of the picture

he could have her
all to himself again.

(Pitts) 'Nah. I don't know.'

what could her connection
to James Roberts possibly be

other than just
being a neighbor?

(Steve) 'Well, see
if we can find out.'

and let's look closer,
see if we can find

a connection between
the mother and the realtor.

Mrs. Roberts, you told
the police that your husband

and Mrs. Forsberg were
both interested in gardening?

That's right.

They loved it.

They spent hours fussing
in that silly greenhouse.

They were even talking
about taking a class

at the community
college on the weekends.

James lost both his
parents years ago.

It was sweet.

I got Danielle Minnick's
real estate report.

And?

The forsberg house was up
for sale when she disappeared.

She wasn't the selling agent

but, uh, the property was
on her regular caravan.

That's why we
didn't catch it sooner.

And?

And, one of her
clients made an offer

but the financing fell through.

A week later the house
was taken off the market.

Why didn't you tell the police

that you were planning
to move six months ago?

I didn't think it was important.

I mean, I thought
about moving to Arizona

to be closer to my sister

but, oh, Charlie
was so upset about it.

He refused to even
look for his own place.

I felt awful. I just
didn't want to push it.

Danielle frequently brought
perspective buyers to the house.

She was killed not long after

preparing an offer
for one of them.

Yes.

'And you and James Roberts'

spent time gardening
and were talking about

taking a weekend class together.

He was my neighbor
and my friend.

I-I don't understand..

I believe your son
targeted anyone he thought

threatened to take your
attention away from him.

[Laughs] Oh, that is ridiculous.

After Kirsten disappeared

you no longer had to
spend time at the school.

Charlie lied about
hurting Kirsten.

And he lied about
the others too.

He just needs help is all.

Mrs. Forsberg

I understand your impulse
to protect your child.

I'm a mother too

'and I would do
anything for my daughter.'

but this is different.

You saw Charlie and
the blood on the hammer

that he used to
kill James that day.

Without your help,
there's a real possibility

that your son could go free.

Charlie is my son.

He's all I have.

I want him to come home.

I don't think you do.

What is this?

(Annabeth) 'Last month,
Charlie made the final payment'

on two cemetery plots.

One for him and one for you.

I already have a
plot with my husband.

This isn't even at
the same cemetery.

No, it isn't, and
that's a sign of just

how strong his obsession is.

The only person that
can come between

you and Charlie now is you.

I believe Charlie is so afraid
of being abandoned by you

of being left alone, that
he could kill you next

and himself as well

to make sure that
you'll never be apart.

Mrs. Forsberg, you've
created a version of events

that explains them away.

I know you want to believe
the best about your son

but it's too late.

I need your help.

I need you to tell the truth.

[Exhales]

The morning James was killed..

I heard Charlie come home.

'The back door slammed.'

and when I finally
came into the room

Charlie was standing there

with the hammer in his hand..

And it looked like it
was covered with blood.

But the look in his eyes..

That's what
startled me the most.

And did you gasp or cry
out when you saw this?

Yes, I think I did.

Something came out of me.

And that's when
the police entered?

Yes.

[Breathes shakily]

I am so sorry.

[Sobbing] I had no idea.

I did the best I could.

'The best I could.'

oh, Charlie.

I am so sorry.

(Judge hanophy)
'Charles forsberg'

for the murders of James
Roberts and Danielle Minnick

'the state of Indiana
sentences you'

'to two terms of life in prison'

'without the
possibility of parole'

'to be served consecutively.'

take the prisoner into custody.

[Instrumental music]

It really is
terrifying, isn't it?

What is?

Not knowing if
you're doing it right

or screwing everything
up somehow.

The joys of parenthood, babe.

You really think it's all up
to us how she turns out?

I don't know.

Well, thank god
we're perfect parents.

[Chuckles] Yeah, right.

And I don't see that
serial killer look in her eye.

'Little angel is never
going to do anything wrong'

are you, monkey?

Never, ever.

I'll remind you of that

the first time she tells
you she hates you.

Or misses her curfew.

Mm..

- Or gets pregnant.
- Hey.

None of that stuff is
ever going to happen.

And if it does, we'll
love her anyway.

(Annabeth) 'It would
be nice if she came with'

'an instruction manual
though, wouldn't it?'

yeah, but I think we're
doing a pretty damn good job.

And maybe..

Maybe we should try
and have another one.

Just in case we
mess this one up.

Oh.

[Chuckles]

Shut up.

[Chuckles]

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