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Agent Ballesteros,
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can you walk us through what happened
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as you approached the compound
on the morning of February 28th?
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Yeah. Um...
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my team was assigned to approach
the, uh, front entrance, here.
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And what happened as you approached?
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As we got close,
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David Koresh opened the door
and stood there in the doorway.
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And it was a double door?
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Yes, a double door.
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The left one was shut,
Koresh had opened the right.
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Did you announce
yourself as you approached?
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Yes. I yelled, "Police,"
and I said that we had a search warrant.
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And-and what did he do?
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There are women and children in here!
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When I was about 15 feet from the door,
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he smirked,
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then turned, went back inside,
and shut the door behind him.
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And then what happened?
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Then I heard a male voice say,
"Get that SOB off the porch."
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Then they just started shooting.
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Heavy, like someone took
a string of firecrackers
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and dropped them all around me.
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Shots ripped through the door.
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Splintered the wood.
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One struck my right hand so I, uh...
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I dove over the fence
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and into the dog pit, here.
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So they shot first?
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Meaning the Branch Davidians
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shot through the door first?
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Yes.
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Agent Ballesteros,
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when you were in the dog pit,
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were you alone?
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Uh, initially, and then
I was joined by, uh...
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Agent Willis who had also been shot.
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And where had Agent Willis been shot?
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All over.
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The wounds he had sustained
were bleeding heavily.
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I pulled him over, trying
to get us both flat
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to avoid the shots coming
from the second floor.
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We couldn't move.
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You were pinned there?
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Yes.
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The medic was trying to reach
us and pull Willis back...
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the gunfire was relentless...
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automatic, high caliber rounds.
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And how long were you pinned there?
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How long were the Branch Davidians
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firing on you?
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Two and a half hours.
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I eventually looked down
at Willis and he, uh...
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Um, so I yelled over to the medic.
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I basically told him there
was no use coming any further.
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Oh.
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... over there.
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And we picked up the hoses and...
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Welcome home!
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How was it?
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It was wonderful.
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Oh.
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Come here, you.
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Oh.
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Honey, I missed you.
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Oh, you too.
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Israel's beautiful.
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Can't wait to show it to you someday.
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♪ When the Lord came. ♪
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♪ For to carry my love away... ♪
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We're glad you're back, you were missed.
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You guys hungry?
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Not really.
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Thank you, though. Mm.
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You seem different somehow.
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Boy, you sure
don't miss a thing, do you?
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Oh, quit being humble.
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Tell 'em.
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Vernon started seeing visions
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when we were in Jerusalem.
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- Oh.
- Vernon has become a vessel for the Lord.
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- Oh, that's incredible.
- Oh.
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Yeah, well, I'm just grateful
that you gave me the opportunity to go.
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Seemed like the right thing to do.
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Well, tell us all about it.
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Well, we're still working
out what it is exactly,
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what it exactly means.
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But when the time is right,
we'll share with everybody.
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You know, it was a
long flight and I sure am tired.
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I think I'll, uh, go
lay down for a while.
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Yeah, I'm... I'm tired myself.
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I think I'll do the same.
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Ruth.
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Clive.
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♪ Will the circle. ♪
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♪ Be unbroken... ♪
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You ever wonder what
that would feel like?
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♪ By and by... ♪
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Hmm? What what would be like?
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Have the gift of prophecy?
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I bet it'd be scary at first.
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How do you know you're not going crazy?
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Oh, looks like Lois left her suitcase.
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I'll just run it over to her.
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I'll be right back.
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♪ Hide my sorrow. ♪
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♪ When they laid her. ♪
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♪ In the grave. ♪
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- Synced and corrected by naFraC -
- www.addic7ed.com -
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Are we sure there's anybody in here?
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Well, Carol told us Wild
Bill and his buddies
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stayed here the night
before the robbery.
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And it figures there's still someone
in there who was helping them.
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Well, I'm not sure why we had
to be here at the crack of dawn.
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You got somewhere else you gotta be?
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Yeah, asleep.
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Just like I'm sure
these knuckleheads are.
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Here we go.
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Hands up! Get down! Freeze! Freeze!
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- Freeze! Get down!
- Down!
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- On the ground!
- Get down!
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On the ground!
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Roger on Unit 121.
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Clear!
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Hmm.
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Yeah, you were clear. Were you clear?
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Hey, excuse me. Do you mind?
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Thank you.
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Ah.
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Huh. Turner Diaries.
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Well, well, well.
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Why would anyone need six fax machines?
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Beats me.
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Maybe it's to, uh, help
spread propaganda, you know?
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Something's queued up to print here.
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Let's see.
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Taking Aim.
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Militia of Montana.
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Why would bank robbers in Arkansas
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want a militia newsletter from Montana?
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That is a good question.
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You know, the FBI's current position
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is that these militia
groups don't get along,
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so they don't communicate,
but maybe that's changing.
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There's a whole box of them.
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Hey, what's the oldest one in there?
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- May '93.
- Yeah.
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That's right after Waco.
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Pretty smooth.
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You'll need help.
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I cannot be involved
in something like this.
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Not directly.
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Then maybe someone else?
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No...
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no one here.
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Then I can do it on my own.
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No, you can't.
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You need help.
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One lone soldier never won a war.
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Do you have any friends
that can help you?
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Hey, it's Tim.
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McVeigh. I'm in your neighborhood.
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"Let the Federal government be warned.
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True Patriots will refresh the
tree of liberty with your blood,
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as you have spilled blood
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at Ruby Ridge and Waco."
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You think this is enough
to run his phone records?
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Uh, no.
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First Amendment, he's
got the right to say
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whatever dumb thing pops into his head.
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But that's not really my concern.
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I keep thinking about that
bank of fax machines we found.
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If this newsletter is getting out
to even a handful of these groups,
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it could be amplifying
the message exponentially.
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I wonder what kind of
readership this rag gets.
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Well, we can just call and ask.
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They put their phone number
out on the back of this thing.
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Taking Aim.
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Yeah, I run a small arms
manufacturing business in Oklahoma
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and I read your newsletter
at a friend's place the other day.
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I wanted to commend you on your
support of the Second Amendment.
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Uh, I also wanted to inquire
about advertising in your newsletter.
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Yeah?
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Uh, but the thing is,
my business partners,
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they're not so keen on the idea of
advertising in such a local paper.
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Local?
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No. We have a broader reach
than your partners may realize.
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That so?
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We ship to 43 states and counting.
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Well, you know, we have a fairly
sizable advertising budget.
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We were looking to go
pretty small with you, guys,
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but if you have that kind of reach...
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Offering a deal.
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You take out an ad now
and keep it running,
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we'll lock in the rate
based on today's readership.
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We're doubling our
subscribers every six months.
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Every six months? That's impressive.
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So, uh, what's your readership at now?
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Couple hundred?
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No. Over 50,000 readers per issue.
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Well, Ballesteros hurt us,
there's no getting around that.
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Which is why we should go at him,
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get into his past cases.
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Was there something in
his personal history, uh,
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a domestic dispute or something?
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- Slow down there, cowboy.
- Careful, that's spicy.
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Rocket, I love your enthusiasm,
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but Ballesteros watched
his buddy die in his arms.
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There's no way the jury is
gonna see him as the bad guy.
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Agreed. Any air time we give Ballesteros
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is just a loss for us, so
we should just
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tell him to have a nice day and move on.
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Well, you know,
I'm not saying that either.
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Ballesteros will never be the bad guy.
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Not after what he's been through.
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We're not gonna win that.
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And our clients will never be
the heroes either 'cause...
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well, the jury doesn't like them.
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Hell, the whole world doesn't like them.
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We need to show the jury
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that this is a story
about failed leadership,
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on both sides.
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How long did you train for
the raid on February 28th?
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About a week.
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And during that week,
did you ever prepare
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for a peaceful entry
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or-or ways in which you
might avoid violence?
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I'm not sure what you mean.
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Well, what I mean is that
the-the warrant you obtained
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was a knock and serve warrant,
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which means you're supposed
to knock on the door
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and-and serve a search warrant.
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My question is, is why wasn't
that part of your plan?
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We had information that suggested that
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the residents at Mount Carmel
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might try to kill themselves
if Koresh was arrested.
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We were trying to go in with
speed and force to avoid that.
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What?
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And, uh, what was the operation
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to raid Mount Carmel called?
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Operation Trojan Horse.
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Is that what you called it?
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How did you refer to the raid internally
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among the other agents during training?
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Operation Showtime.
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Operation Showtime?
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Well, that's interesting.
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Why Showtime? Were there...
were there cameras there?
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There was someone filming, yes.
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Oh. Well, that's great.
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Why are we even arguing
about what happened?
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We, we should just watch the tape.
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Can we see the tape, Agent Ballesteros?
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No.
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No? Why not?
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Because it was lost.
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It was lost?
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Well, that's unfortunate.
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Does the, uh... does the
ATF film a lot of its raids?
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I couldn't answer that.
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Well, have you been involved in
other raids that were filmed?
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Not that I remember.
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And how long did it take
for the EMTs to arrive
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00:15:23,173 --> 00:15:24,603
to help your wounded?
265
00:15:24,614 --> 00:15:26,574
- How long?
- Yeah. How long?
266
00:15:27,676 --> 00:15:29,936
Hours. Not until after the ceasefire.
267
00:15:29,947 --> 00:15:32,295
Didn't your leaders
make any contingencies
268
00:15:32,306 --> 00:15:34,706
for you and your men in
case there was a problem?
269
00:15:36,660 --> 00:15:37,950
No.
270
00:15:39,453 --> 00:15:40,453
No?
271
00:15:41,386 --> 00:15:43,825
No, there was no
contingency plan for us.
272
00:15:43,836 --> 00:15:46,006
Well, what about Happy Meals?
273
00:15:48,870 --> 00:15:50,500
McDonald's Happy Meals.
274
00:15:50,513 --> 00:15:53,353
Did your leaders make any plans
to have Happy Meals on hand?
275
00:15:54,356 --> 00:15:55,511
Yes.
276
00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,770
And how many Happy Meals
were brought on this raid?
277
00:15:59,157 --> 00:16:00,747
A hundred.
278
00:16:00,927 --> 00:16:02,638
A hundred Happy Meals,
279
00:16:02,649 --> 00:16:06,051
but not one ambulance, just in case?
280
00:16:08,900 --> 00:16:11,030
Why the Happy Meals?
281
00:16:11,041 --> 00:16:13,289
They thought
it would look good on camera
282
00:16:13,300 --> 00:16:14,980
after the raid to-to show the world
283
00:16:14,991 --> 00:16:17,041
that we were treating these kids.
284
00:16:18,417 --> 00:16:20,337
- On camera?
- Yes.
285
00:16:20,348 --> 00:16:23,228
The cameras that were lost
after everything went haywire?
286
00:16:23,936 --> 00:16:25,146
Yes.
287
00:16:25,300 --> 00:16:29,189
Now, you testified that
288
00:16:29,683 --> 00:16:32,403
the Davidians shot first.
289
00:16:32,536 --> 00:16:34,426
Yeah, I did. They, they did.
290
00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,429
And then you and Willis
took cover in the dog pen?
291
00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:38,570
Right.
292
00:16:40,363 --> 00:16:42,003
Boy, those dogs must have been mad
293
00:16:42,014 --> 00:16:43,591
the way you guys were
attacking their home.
294
00:16:43,602 --> 00:16:45,402
Objection. Argumentative.
295
00:16:45,803 --> 00:16:48,223
Sustained. Watch yourself, counselor.
296
00:16:54,923 --> 00:16:57,383
Were you scared of the dogs?
297
00:16:58,863 --> 00:17:00,773
- No.
- No?
298
00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,400
Why not?
299
00:17:03,580 --> 00:17:04,670
The dogs were dead.
300
00:17:04,681 --> 00:17:06,892
- They were dead?
- Yeah.
301
00:17:06,903 --> 00:17:08,409
- They'd been shot?
- Yes.
302
00:17:08,420 --> 00:17:10,722
So when you say the
Davidians shot first,
303
00:17:10,733 --> 00:17:13,403
what you really mean is
that the Davidians shot
304
00:17:13,576 --> 00:17:17,136
after you charged in
and started shooting,
305
00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:19,140
killing their dogs?
306
00:17:21,162 --> 00:17:23,749
You don't have to answer right now
307
00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,520
because you already did
about ten months ago.
308
00:17:26,830 --> 00:17:31,255
Uh, in an interview you
gave to the Texas Rangers
309
00:17:31,266 --> 00:17:33,396
a few weeks after the incident,
310
00:17:33,822 --> 00:17:35,882
you talked about hearing gunfire
311
00:17:35,893 --> 00:17:38,628
as you approached the
front door, is that correct?
312
00:17:38,639 --> 00:17:40,161
Well, I'm-I'm not sure.
313
00:17:40,172 --> 00:17:42,565
I don't remember what I said in
that interview. It was a long time ago.
314
00:17:42,576 --> 00:17:44,352
Well, let-let me remind you.
315
00:17:44,363 --> 00:17:47,543
It says here you heard shots
316
00:17:47,609 --> 00:17:49,909
as you exited the trailer
317
00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,212
and assumed it was the "dog team"
318
00:17:52,223 --> 00:17:54,795
who went in first to shoot the dogs
319
00:17:54,806 --> 00:17:57,556
so they wouldn't attack
anyone during the raid.
320
00:17:59,686 --> 00:18:01,266
Does that sound about right?
321
00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:05,139
I-I may have said that before,
322
00:18:05,150 --> 00:18:07,080
but I don't believe it to be true now.
323
00:18:07,091 --> 00:18:09,961
The first shots were the ones
that came through the door at us.
324
00:18:09,972 --> 00:18:12,359
The shots you jumped
away from into a pit
325
00:18:12,370 --> 00:18:14,210
that had dead dogs in it?
326
00:18:17,936 --> 00:18:19,066
Yeah.
327
00:18:23,329 --> 00:18:25,579
I wanna thank you for your service.
328
00:18:27,819 --> 00:18:29,569
Thank you.
329
00:18:29,683 --> 00:18:32,013
I'm just sorry you served
under the kinds of leaders
330
00:18:32,024 --> 00:18:34,474
who thought of everything that
would look good on the news
331
00:18:34,485 --> 00:18:36,402
and nothing about
their own men's safety.
332
00:18:36,413 --> 00:18:38,133
- Objection!
- No need. I'm done here.
333
00:19:05,776 --> 00:19:07,026
Hey, Terry.
334
00:19:12,306 --> 00:19:13,977
If I was gonna do something,
335
00:19:14,603 --> 00:19:16,023
I mean something big,
336
00:19:17,252 --> 00:19:18,592
would you help me?
337
00:19:21,230 --> 00:19:23,190
Like, what kind of thing?
338
00:19:27,657 --> 00:19:30,077
There's a couple more
depositions we found.
339
00:19:30,349 --> 00:19:31,899
But don't work too hard.
340
00:19:34,946 --> 00:19:36,866
We did good today, huh?
341
00:19:38,592 --> 00:19:40,472
Do you know what this is?
342
00:19:40,699 --> 00:19:43,919
It's discovery for tomorrow's witnesses.
343
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,485
In other words, it's all the evidence
344
00:19:46,496 --> 00:19:49,126
the prosecutors have
pertaining to the witnesses
345
00:19:49,137 --> 00:19:51,307
they're gonna call tomorrow in court.
346
00:19:51,386 --> 00:19:54,996
Now, usually the defense gets
that weeks before the trial.
347
00:19:55,093 --> 00:19:57,119
But in this case, I get it at 5:00 p.m.
348
00:19:57,130 --> 00:19:59,210
the day before, which
means I have to stay up
349
00:19:59,221 --> 00:20:02,061
until 2:00 a.m. every night
trying to find something
350
00:20:02,072 --> 00:20:05,258
I can use in order to
do my job defending you.
351
00:20:06,089 --> 00:20:10,689
But none of that matters if
the jury doesn't like you.
352
00:20:11,057 --> 00:20:12,955
I don't... I don't understand.
353
00:20:12,966 --> 00:20:14,836
It means I need you to
tell your buddy Ruth here
354
00:20:14,847 --> 00:20:16,897
to stop scoffing at the witnesses
355
00:20:17,043 --> 00:20:19,263
and I need her to wear the damn dress.
356
00:20:24,053 --> 00:20:26,961
Today, I have a special treat for y'all.
357
00:20:27,420 --> 00:20:30,050
I have asked Vernon to lead the lesson.
358
00:20:30,786 --> 00:20:31,826
Vernon?
359
00:20:48,336 --> 00:20:51,756
The antediluvians were great sinners.
360
00:20:52,889 --> 00:20:56,085
And they did everything they could
361
00:20:56,096 --> 00:20:59,942
to misrepresent the image
of God, Paul tells us.
362
00:21:19,260 --> 00:21:22,270
But then, God made a system...
363
00:21:24,019 --> 00:21:26,309
so simple, to be saved, that...
364
00:21:27,183 --> 00:21:30,643
all they had to do was get
on that ark to be rescued.
365
00:21:31,393 --> 00:21:32,603
It was that simple.
366
00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:36,840
Rachel, hand me my Bible.
367
00:21:46,935 --> 00:21:49,645
And now, we look back
on that with amazement,
368
00:21:50,266 --> 00:21:54,026
thinking how foolish
those antediluvians were.
369
00:21:54,746 --> 00:21:56,166
But the thing of it is,
370
00:21:57,403 --> 00:22:00,323
we're far greater sinners
than they ever were.
371
00:22:00,596 --> 00:22:03,316
So how do we know we're
not missing our own signs,
372
00:22:03,469 --> 00:22:05,479
our own opportunity to be saved?
373
00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:08,170
When God tells us,
374
00:22:08,290 --> 00:22:10,170
"Get in that ark, Clive Doyle!"
375
00:22:12,053 --> 00:22:14,978
How many of us say, "Well,
maybe give me a minute there, God.
376
00:22:14,989 --> 00:22:17,076
I got all these really
important things I'm doing here.
377
00:22:17,087 --> 00:22:18,527
I got this laundry I'm doing.
378
00:22:18,538 --> 00:22:19,902
The carburetor's leakin'.
379
00:22:19,913 --> 00:22:22,774
Man, there's this real good episode
of Dukes of Hazzard on the TV.
380
00:22:22,785 --> 00:22:24,825
Maybe I'll get on that ark after that.
381
00:22:24,836 --> 00:22:26,716
Maybe I can pencil it
in for next Tuesday?"
382
00:22:28,128 --> 00:22:31,562
When I had my vision in
Israel and God told me,
383
00:22:31,573 --> 00:22:34,043
"Boy, get those dang
people into that ark,"
384
00:22:34,249 --> 00:22:36,009
I'm paraphrasing here.
385
00:22:37,143 --> 00:22:40,088
I told Him I'd do anything
for you people here.
386
00:22:41,233 --> 00:22:44,363
Even die for you, if it came down to it.
387
00:22:46,166 --> 00:22:48,716
He's catching people's eyes.
388
00:22:48,996 --> 00:22:50,676
Better be careful.
389
00:22:50,923 --> 00:22:53,593
He has a gift. It's nothing to fear.
390
00:23:01,059 --> 00:23:03,609
- You moving?
- Didn't you hear?
391
00:23:03,716 --> 00:23:05,676
They're shutting down
our undercover unit.
392
00:23:05,687 --> 00:23:08,117
- Shutting you down?
- Yup.
393
00:23:08,543 --> 00:23:11,423
After Waco, our bosses,
in their infinite wisdom,
394
00:23:11,434 --> 00:23:14,588
decided that domestic terrorism
is no longer a primary concern
395
00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:16,029
for us as an agency.
396
00:23:16,355 --> 00:23:18,525
That we should focus on foreign enemies.
397
00:23:18,733 --> 00:23:20,533
- Uh-hmm.
- Ironically,
398
00:23:20,544 --> 00:23:22,264
Waco also fueled the very problem
399
00:23:22,275 --> 00:23:24,285
they're trying real hard not to see.
400
00:23:24,429 --> 00:23:28,478
You know, I would say, "No
offense intended," but I would be lying.
401
00:23:28,602 --> 00:23:30,202
Yeah. All right.
402
00:23:30,303 --> 00:23:32,553
- Yeah, I got a question for you.
- Yeah.
403
00:23:33,906 --> 00:23:35,776
Do you know who this fella is?
404
00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:40,875
Yup. That is Pappy Millar.
405
00:23:40,886 --> 00:23:42,556
- Hmm.
- Scary dude.
406
00:23:42,723 --> 00:23:44,175
Religious extremist,
407
00:23:44,186 --> 00:23:46,196
founded Elohim City in Oklahoma,
408
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,551
mentored multiple people who
went on to kill cops, federal agents.
409
00:23:49,777 --> 00:23:52,327
- I would steer clear.
- Uh-hmm.
410
00:23:53,489 --> 00:23:54,634
Hey.
411
00:23:54,926 --> 00:23:57,214
- You know where this photo was taken?
- Uh-hmm.
412
00:23:57,225 --> 00:23:59,568
That is the Rocky Mountain Rendezvous.
413
00:23:59,579 --> 00:24:01,218
Happened just after Ruby Ridge.
414
00:24:01,229 --> 00:24:03,265
It was like a meeting
of the five families,
415
00:24:03,276 --> 00:24:05,112
but white supremacist version.
416
00:24:05,123 --> 00:24:06,383
Huh.
417
00:24:06,394 --> 00:24:08,532
Bunch of Nazis, KKK, all these assholes,
418
00:24:08,543 --> 00:24:10,593
they got together for a picnic.
419
00:24:12,150 --> 00:24:13,550
They decided on a new strategy.
420
00:24:13,561 --> 00:24:15,051
Apparently, they didn't like the way
421
00:24:15,062 --> 00:24:16,228
they were being portrayed in the media,
422
00:24:16,239 --> 00:24:18,639
so they decided to start
calling themselves "Patriots."
423
00:24:18,797 --> 00:24:22,249
Guess it sounded better
than Klansmen or Nazis.
424
00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:23,400
Uh-hmm.
425
00:24:23,411 --> 00:24:25,671
Well, you know what Patriots do.
426
00:24:25,882 --> 00:24:27,578
They overthrow a tyranny.
427
00:24:27,896 --> 00:24:30,696
I just had a bank
robber from Elohim City
428
00:24:30,707 --> 00:24:33,863
who must have used that word 14 times.
429
00:24:34,203 --> 00:24:36,503
I found this photo in his room.
430
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:41,139
He mentioned there's some kind
of payback for Waco coming.
431
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:44,100
I would take that one seriously.
432
00:24:44,674 --> 00:24:45,934
You coming, Cogdell?
433
00:24:45,945 --> 00:24:47,605
Uh, no. I'm gonna work a little longer.
434
00:24:47,616 --> 00:24:50,467
Yeah. You wanna just talk
to that waitress, don't you?
435
00:24:50,478 --> 00:24:52,899
Whatever happens, happens.
436
00:24:52,910 --> 00:24:54,510
All right, man. Good night.
437
00:24:54,521 --> 00:24:55,771
Good night.
438
00:25:07,050 --> 00:25:09,670
Oh. Hey, Jocelyn, can I
get one more of those?
439
00:25:09,681 --> 00:25:11,538
- Yeah. I got you.
- All right.
440
00:25:46,433 --> 00:25:48,483
What you doing there, padre?
441
00:25:49,019 --> 00:25:52,132
I've been watching the trial
and researching what happened at Waco.
442
00:25:52,143 --> 00:25:53,779
You're doing a good job.
443
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,820
Always nice to meet a fan.
444
00:25:56,831 --> 00:25:59,751
But you need to go
harder at the government.
445
00:26:03,433 --> 00:26:06,048
Listen, I, I appreciate the critique,
446
00:26:06,059 --> 00:26:07,549
but, uh, I'd like to get
a little privacy here,
447
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,040
if that's all right.
448
00:26:09,051 --> 00:26:11,345
You need to pursue the cover-up
449
00:26:11,356 --> 00:26:14,297
with the same energy that
you're pursuing the incident itself.
450
00:26:14,308 --> 00:26:16,028
You're missing a big story here
451
00:26:16,469 --> 00:26:18,860
because, ironically,
you don't believe your own argument.
452
00:26:18,871 --> 00:26:20,439
Man, what are you talking about?
453
00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:22,272
You are trying so hard
454
00:26:22,283 --> 00:26:24,733
to make the Davidians look
like they were victims.
455
00:26:24,744 --> 00:26:25,964
They were victims,
456
00:26:26,063 --> 00:26:27,723
during the siege and every day since.
457
00:26:27,734 --> 00:26:29,978
You're talking about
how the ATF shot first,
458
00:26:29,989 --> 00:26:32,162
but you're not talking
about the bullet holes
459
00:26:32,173 --> 00:26:34,473
in the front door that would prove it.
460
00:26:34,673 --> 00:26:36,406
The doors burned up in the fire.
461
00:26:36,417 --> 00:26:38,097
No. No, they didn't.
462
00:26:38,108 --> 00:26:40,388
Those were metal doors, the
Feds are just hiding them.
463
00:26:40,620 --> 00:26:43,055
No, they were wood.
It's in all the reports
464
00:26:43,066 --> 00:26:44,766
and I'm not having a
conversation about it
465
00:26:44,777 --> 00:26:46,577
with some paranoid conspiracy theorist
466
00:26:46,588 --> 00:26:48,468
- in the men's room, so...
- William Colby,
467
00:26:48,479 --> 00:26:50,799
former director of the
CIA told me personally
468
00:26:51,036 --> 00:26:54,405
that US Federal Agents were
picking off Koresh's people
469
00:26:54,416 --> 00:26:56,506
during the siege, and then,
470
00:26:56,819 --> 00:26:59,797
he was found drowned, so...
471
00:27:00,502 --> 00:27:01,512
Okay.
472
00:27:01,523 --> 00:27:02,993
Please unlock the door
473
00:27:03,004 --> 00:27:04,976
and get out of the way
before I throw a punch
474
00:27:04,987 --> 00:27:06,737
and embarrass both of us.
475
00:27:13,333 --> 00:27:15,213
This is bigger than you think.
476
00:27:19,210 --> 00:27:21,300
There is so much more I can tell you.
477
00:27:21,311 --> 00:27:24,491
Information I have, photos, documents.
478
00:27:26,163 --> 00:27:28,743
I... I just wanna help.
479
00:27:44,116 --> 00:27:45,794
While we enjoy this delicious meal,
480
00:27:45,805 --> 00:27:48,009
I wanted to share
something with you all.
481
00:27:50,056 --> 00:27:52,096
I received another message...
482
00:27:53,143 --> 00:27:54,733
a vision from God.
483
00:27:57,690 --> 00:27:59,820
He told me I was to take a wife.
484
00:28:01,343 --> 00:28:04,702
And he was specific, too,
with who that wife should be.
485
00:28:06,269 --> 00:28:08,109
He showed me her face in the sky
486
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:10,300
with a million shining suns behind her.
487
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,120
And he told me that together,
488
00:28:12,131 --> 00:28:15,779
she and I would birth the first of
the Elders spoken of in Revelation,
489
00:28:16,016 --> 00:28:18,776
who will one day sit in
judgment over the end times.
490
00:28:20,977 --> 00:28:22,357
And her name...
491
00:28:28,707 --> 00:28:29,787
was Rachel.
492
00:28:35,226 --> 00:28:38,236
The Lord has commanded
I take you as my bride.
493
00:28:41,460 --> 00:28:43,090
You see it now?
494
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,109
You must be misinterpreting your vision.
495
00:28:50,269 --> 00:28:52,199
She's just a girl.
496
00:28:52,453 --> 00:28:54,003
The prophecy was clear.
497
00:28:54,643 --> 00:28:57,903
Then your own desires must
be getting in the way.
498
00:28:57,914 --> 00:29:00,634
Believe me,
499
00:29:00,697 --> 00:29:02,957
I don't like this any
better than you do.
500
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:04,539
But God has spoken,
501
00:29:04,666 --> 00:29:07,506
and I must follow His
dictates where they lead.
502
00:29:09,283 --> 00:29:11,213
You used me.
503
00:29:11,513 --> 00:29:13,183
You just think I'm an old fool.
504
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:16,479
Did you ever even love me?
505
00:29:19,373 --> 00:29:21,763
- You snake!
- Oh!
506
00:29:23,143 --> 00:29:24,583
Clive, get the bus!
507
00:29:24,594 --> 00:29:27,854
Get out! Get out! Quick!
508
00:29:32,606 --> 00:29:33,986
Come on!
509
00:29:33,997 --> 00:29:36,137
- On the bus, let's go!
- Come on!
510
00:29:36,266 --> 00:29:38,526
Quickly! Get on the bus!
511
00:29:38,713 --> 00:29:40,913
Go with them! Go with them!
512
00:29:41,096 --> 00:29:42,667
Come on! Fast!
513
00:29:43,593 --> 00:29:45,582
Vernon, you...
514
00:29:45,593 --> 00:29:47,209
- Don't!
- Come with us.
515
00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:49,780
I can't. I can't leave Lois.
516
00:29:50,166 --> 00:29:53,126
It's okay. God told
me I'll be back here.
517
00:29:54,089 --> 00:29:55,739
All right, let's go.
518
00:30:02,466 --> 00:30:03,911
Put your heads down!
519
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:39,309
Thank you.
520
00:30:40,110 --> 00:30:41,700
God will resurrect them.
521
00:30:42,657 --> 00:30:43,997
David...
522
00:30:45,013 --> 00:30:46,393
everyone we lost.
523
00:30:46,539 --> 00:30:48,579
We'll all be together again someday.
524
00:30:50,433 --> 00:30:53,353
I don't wanna be in a jail
cell when that happens.
525
00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:57,459
We'll do our best.
526
00:31:09,303 --> 00:31:12,013
The, uh... the front
doors to Mount Carmel,
527
00:31:12,126 --> 00:31:13,686
they were wood, right?
528
00:31:14,683 --> 00:31:16,773
No, metal.
529
00:31:17,013 --> 00:31:18,813
All the doors were metal.
530
00:31:20,289 --> 00:31:21,379
Why?
531
00:31:22,857 --> 00:31:23,897
No.
532
00:31:44,686 --> 00:31:46,316
What's this?
533
00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:49,650
Well, that's a newsletter
from the Militia of Montana,
534
00:31:50,393 --> 00:31:53,863
and this is a lovely book
called The Turner Diaries.
535
00:31:54,089 --> 00:31:55,721
We found both of them at that.
536
00:31:55,732 --> 00:31:58,072
Aryan Nation flophouse in Arkansas.
537
00:31:58,183 --> 00:32:01,142
Now, we've also found
copies of this book in raids
538
00:32:01,153 --> 00:32:05,312
in Florida, Nevada, Michigan,
Montana, and California.
539
00:32:05,323 --> 00:32:06,626
Hm.
540
00:32:07,826 --> 00:32:11,162
We're not the book police,
Gary. This is still America.
541
00:32:11,173 --> 00:32:13,143
People can read what they want to.
542
00:32:15,276 --> 00:32:18,036
You know what this book's about?
543
00:32:18,209 --> 00:32:23,079
It's about trying to ignite
a new Civil War in America.
544
00:32:24,126 --> 00:32:26,406
And the hero of this book begins
545
00:32:26,417 --> 00:32:28,347
by using a truck bomb
546
00:32:28,358 --> 00:32:30,908
to blow up FBI headquarters.
547
00:32:31,036 --> 00:32:33,676
And by the end, they're
storming the US Capitol
548
00:32:33,882 --> 00:32:37,312
to kill specific legislators
to overthrow the government.
549
00:32:37,573 --> 00:32:39,858
That's a little farfetched,
550
00:32:39,869 --> 00:32:41,669
- don't you think?
- No.
551
00:32:41,736 --> 00:32:45,138
Not to mention, this thing was
published almost 20 years ago.
552
00:32:45,149 --> 00:32:48,078
So how is this suddenly an emergency?
553
00:32:48,766 --> 00:32:50,546
Because I believe that these groups
554
00:32:50,557 --> 00:32:53,867
are using this book to help
coordinate their efforts.
555
00:32:54,226 --> 00:32:56,266
These militias, they
used to be separate,
556
00:32:56,277 --> 00:32:58,908
you know, little pockets here
and there, we could deal with them.
557
00:32:59,032 --> 00:33:01,422
But now, Waco...
558
00:33:01,622 --> 00:33:03,255
has done something to them.
559
00:33:03,266 --> 00:33:05,543
It's... it's united them.
560
00:33:07,597 --> 00:33:09,645
And they're starting to look more
561
00:33:09,656 --> 00:33:11,796
like a foreign terrorist network
562
00:33:12,143 --> 00:33:14,424
than anything we've ever
seen in the US before.
563
00:33:14,435 --> 00:33:18,105
All these separate individual cells
564
00:33:18,249 --> 00:33:21,629
united by a common ideology...
565
00:33:23,036 --> 00:33:27,016
a common enemy, us.
566
00:33:31,963 --> 00:33:33,673
Okay. Look, Gary...
567
00:33:35,729 --> 00:33:39,439
I know you feel shitty
about what happened at Waco.
568
00:33:39,826 --> 00:33:41,626
Hell, we all feel shitty about it.
569
00:33:41,637 --> 00:33:44,621
It was a shitty situation all around.
570
00:33:45,537 --> 00:33:49,407
But it's done, you cannot undo it.
571
00:33:49,553 --> 00:33:50,993
I'm not trying to undo it.
572
00:33:51,004 --> 00:33:52,719
I'm trying to stop it
from happening again.
573
00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:54,150
And so am I.
574
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,751
The decision's already been made,
Gary, above my pay grade.
575
00:33:58,030 --> 00:34:00,128
The bureau is now gonna concentrate
576
00:34:00,139 --> 00:34:02,746
all of its efforts on foreign terrorism.
577
00:34:02,835 --> 00:34:04,456
Never mind. Okay.
578
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:11,930
You know what? I-I, uh...
579
00:34:14,063 --> 00:34:16,613
I kept quiet after Waco, you know?
580
00:34:18,499 --> 00:34:20,651
I played nice. I kept my mouth shut.
581
00:34:20,662 --> 00:34:23,632
But I'm telling you now,
Alan, in no uncertain terms,
582
00:34:23,749 --> 00:34:27,669
if you won't let me look into
this new "Patriot Movement"
583
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,188
and they do something stupid,
584
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,329
I'm not gonna be quiet about it.
585
00:34:31,676 --> 00:34:32,976
Not again.
586
00:34:34,496 --> 00:34:35,936
If something terrible happens,
587
00:34:35,947 --> 00:34:37,337
I'm gonna have to tell the world
588
00:34:37,348 --> 00:34:40,478
that I warned you specifically today.
589
00:34:50,563 --> 00:34:51,903
Two weeks.
590
00:34:51,982 --> 00:34:54,958
But if you do anything
even remotely reckless,
591
00:34:54,969 --> 00:34:58,292
I will not wait for the DOJ
review to come back, Gary.
592
00:34:58,303 --> 00:35:00,853
I will fire you myself.
593
00:35:01,093 --> 00:35:03,263
- Do you understand?
- Yes, sir.
594
00:35:05,933 --> 00:35:09,285
So how's a nice girl like
you end up a neo-Nazi?
595
00:35:09,296 --> 00:35:11,396
Oh.
596
00:35:11,407 --> 00:35:13,298
Wow, you get right to it, huh?
597
00:35:13,309 --> 00:35:14,609
Yeah.
598
00:35:15,686 --> 00:35:17,146
Yeah, I was reading your file.
599
00:35:17,157 --> 00:35:19,257
It looks like you went
to some good schools,
600
00:35:19,513 --> 00:35:22,683
honor student, champion horseback rider.
601
00:35:22,917 --> 00:35:24,757
A regular debutante.
602
00:35:27,553 --> 00:35:30,273
I was also a pole
dancer at Lady Godiva's.
603
00:35:30,393 --> 00:35:32,313
- Did it say that in there?
- Uh-hmm.
604
00:35:33,677 --> 00:35:36,009
Well, that's quite a lateral move,
605
00:35:36,020 --> 00:35:39,540
pole dancing to joining
the Aryan Republican Army,
606
00:35:39,853 --> 00:35:41,063
isn't it?
607
00:35:41,683 --> 00:35:43,313
I don't know.
608
00:35:43,526 --> 00:35:45,486
I was mostly in it for Wild Bill.
609
00:35:47,546 --> 00:35:50,006
What can I say? I guess
I like the bad boys...
610
00:35:51,513 --> 00:35:53,813
and they just love me.
611
00:35:55,439 --> 00:35:57,481
I guess what I'm getting at is,
612
00:35:58,002 --> 00:35:59,741
did you join just for Bill
613
00:35:59,752 --> 00:36:02,382
or are you a true believer?
614
00:36:04,753 --> 00:36:08,274
I'm not sure a true believer would
be having milkshakes with a Fed.
615
00:36:08,533 --> 00:36:09,623
Right.
616
00:36:09,634 --> 00:36:11,094
What's this about, Gary?
617
00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:18,260
How would you feel about
going back to Elohim City...
618
00:36:19,403 --> 00:36:20,493
for us?
619
00:36:24,566 --> 00:36:27,986
- Like an informant?
- Yeah, an informant.
620
00:36:33,313 --> 00:36:34,313
Bad.
621
00:36:35,629 --> 00:36:37,429
I feel bad about that.
622
00:36:37,610 --> 00:36:39,410
Those guys are crazy.
623
00:36:41,303 --> 00:36:43,683
They ever found out I
ratted out Wild Bill,
624
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:45,347
well, they'd kill me.
625
00:36:45,358 --> 00:36:48,158
They found out I was
working with you all?
626
00:36:48,506 --> 00:36:51,556
Well, they'd kill me real mean.
627
00:36:57,216 --> 00:36:59,416
Well, what are they gonna
think if you disappear
628
00:36:59,427 --> 00:37:01,721
now that Wild Bill has been arrested?
629
00:37:03,260 --> 00:37:06,800
Hmm? That's gonna look
pretty suspicious, too.
630
00:37:10,492 --> 00:37:13,381
If you help us, we can protect you.
631
00:37:13,913 --> 00:37:15,543
You won't be on your own.
632
00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:24,406
Just like you guys
protected Vicki Weaver?
633
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,480
Or like you protected
those people down at Waco?
634
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,057
No, thank you.
635
00:37:35,259 --> 00:37:37,889
I don't need the FBI protecting me.
636
00:37:38,242 --> 00:37:40,542
I've been on my own my whole life.
637
00:37:42,426 --> 00:37:44,596
Don't try to find me again.
638
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,340
This is a CBS News Special Report.
639
00:37:56,351 --> 00:37:59,361
John Roberts at the CBS News
headquarters in New York.
640
00:37:59,372 --> 00:38:02,295
Some six hours after the
FBI launched an operation
641
00:38:02,306 --> 00:38:04,366
trying to bring the 51-day standoff...
642
00:38:04,626 --> 00:38:06,780
People like us were in that building.
643
00:38:08,029 --> 00:38:10,289
The kinds of people nobody cares about.
644
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,120
If we burned right alongside them,
645
00:38:14,131 --> 00:38:16,143
if your wife and son burned in there,
646
00:38:16,890 --> 00:38:19,740
nobody would have given
a shit about them either.
647
00:38:23,796 --> 00:38:25,936
Nobody cares about us,
648
00:38:26,663 --> 00:38:28,503
because they don't fear us.
649
00:38:28,636 --> 00:38:30,586
... when the main building caught fire
650
00:38:30,597 --> 00:38:32,278
and flames quickly spread
651
00:38:32,289 --> 00:38:34,279
leaving behind a
devastating aftermath...
652
00:38:34,373 --> 00:38:35,882
But they will.
653
00:38:40,070 --> 00:38:41,320
I'm in.
654
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,180
Whatever it is you're doing...
655
00:38:47,423 --> 00:38:48,513
I'm in.
656
00:39:05,587 --> 00:39:10,587
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