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[Bill] Agent Ballesteros,
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can you walk us through
what happened
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as you approached the compound
on the morning of February 28th?
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Yeah. Um...
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my team was assigned to approach
the, uh, front entrance, here.
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[Bill] And what happened
as you approached?
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As we got close,
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David Koresh opened the door
and stood there in the doorway.
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And it was a double door?
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[Ballesteros]
Yes, a double door.
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The left one was shut,
Koresh had opened the right.
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[Bill] Did you announce
yourself as you approached?
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Yes. I yelled, "Police,"
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and I said that
we had a search warrant.
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[helicopter blades whirring]
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-[dogs barking]
-[Bill] And-and what did he do?
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There are women
and children in here!
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[Ballesteros] When I was
about 15 feet from the door,
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he smirked,
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then turned, went back inside,
and shut the door behind him.
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[gunshots]
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[Bill] And then what happened?
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Then I heard a male voice say,
"Get that SOB off the porch."
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Then they just started shooting.
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Heavy, like someone took
a string of firecrackers
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and dropped them all around me.
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[gunshots]
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Shots ripped through the door.
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Splintered the wood.
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One struck my right hand
so I, uh...
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I dove over the fence
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and into the dog pit, here.
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So they shot first?
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Meaning the Branch Davidians
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shot through the door first?
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Yes.
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[Bill] Agent Ballesteros,
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when you were in the dog pit,
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were you alone?
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Uh, initially,
and then I was joined by, uh...
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Agent Willis
who had also been shot.
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[Bill] And where had
Agent Willis been shot?
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[sighs]
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All over.
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The wounds he had sustained
were bleeding heavily.
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I pulled him over,
trying to get us both flat
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to avoid the shots
coming from the second floor.
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We couldn't move.
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You were pinned there?
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Yes.
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The medic was trying to reach us
and pull Willis back...
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the gunfire was relentless...
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automatic, high caliber rounds.
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suspenseful music plays
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-[gunshots]
-[people shouting]
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[Bill] And how long
were you pinned there?
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How long were
the Branch Davidians
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firing on you?
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Two and a half hours.
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[people exclaim]
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I eventually looked down
at Willis and he, uh...
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[sighs]
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Um, so I yelled over
to the medic.
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I basically told him there was
no use coming any further.
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dramatic music plays
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[faucet running]
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Oh.
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["Will the Circle
Be Unbroken" plays]
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[Clive speaks indistinctly]
...over there.
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And we picked up
the hoses and...
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[Ruth sighs]
Welcome home! [chuckles]
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How was it?
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It was wonderful.
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[Ruth sighs] Oh.
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Come here, you.
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Oh.
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Honey, I missed you.
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Oh, you too.
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Israel's beautiful.
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Can't wait
to show it to you someday.
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[chuckles]
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-[sighs]
- When the Lord came
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For to carry
my love away...
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We're glad you're back,
you were missed.
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You guys hungry?
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[Lois] Not really.
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Thank you, though. Mm.
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You seem different somehow.
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[chuckles] Boy, you sure
don't miss a thing, do you?
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Oh, quit being humble.
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Tell 'em.
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-[chuckles]
-Vernon started seeing visions
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when we were in Jerusalem.
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-Oh.
-Vernon has become
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a vessel for the Lord.
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-Oh, that's incredible.
-Oh.
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Yeah, well, I'm just grateful
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that you gave me
the opportunity to go.
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Seemed like
the right thing to do.
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Well, tell us all about it.
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Well, we're still working out
what it is exactly,
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what it exactly means.
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But when the time is right,
we'll share with everybody.
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[sighs]
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You know, it was a long flight
and I sure am tired.
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I think I'll, uh, go lay down
for a while.
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Yeah, I'm--I'm tired myself.
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I think I'll do the same.
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[sighs]
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Ruth.
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Clive.
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Will the circle
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Be unbroken...
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You ever wonder
what that would feel like?
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By and by...
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Hmm? What what would be like?
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Have the gift of prophecy?
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I bet it'd be scary at first.
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How do you know
you're not going crazy?
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[chuckles]
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Oh, looks like
Lois left her suitcase.
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I'll just run it over to her.
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I'll be right back.
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Hide my sorrow
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When they laid her
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In the grave
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-[Lois moans]
-[smooching]
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tense music plays
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theme music plays
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[sighs]
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Are we sure
there's anybody in here?
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Well, Carol told us
Wild Bill and his buddies
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stayed here
the night before the robbery.
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And it figures there's still
someone in there
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who was helping them.
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Well, I'm not sure why we had
to be here at the crack of dawn.
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[scoffs] You got somewhere else
you gotta be?
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Yeah, asleep.
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Just like I'm sure
these knuckleheads are.
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[door shuts]
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[Gary inhales] Here we go.
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[ATF agent 1] Hands up!
Get down! Freeze! Freeze!
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-Freeze! Get down!
-[ATF agent 2] Down!
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-[ATF agent 1] On the ground!
-[ATF agent 2] Get down!
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[ATF agent 1] On the ground!
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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[police dispatcher on radio]
Roger on Unit 121.
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[man] Clear!
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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[ATF agents
chattering indistinctly]
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Hmm.
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[dispatcher on radio] Yeah,
you were clear. Were you clear?
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Hey, excuse me. Do you mind?
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Thank you.
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[camera clicks and whirrs]
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Ah.
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[exhales sharply]
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Huh. Turner Diaries.
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Well, well, well.
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[Angie] Why would anyone
need six fax machines?
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Beats me.
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Maybe it's to, uh, help
spread propaganda, you know?
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Something's queued up
to print here.
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Let's see.
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[fax machine beeps, whirrs]
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Taking Aim.
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Militia of Montana.
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[Angie] Why would bank robbers
in Arkansas
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want a militia newsletter
from Montana?
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[Gary] That is a good question.
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You know,
the FBI's current position
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is that these militia groups
don't get along,
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so they don't communicate,
but maybe that's changing.
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There's a whole box of them.
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Hey, what's
the oldest one in there?
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-May '93.
-[Gary] Yeah.
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That's right after Waco.
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[gunshots]
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[Andy the German] Pretty smooth.
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You'll need help.
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I cannot be involved
in something like this.
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Not directly.
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[McVeigh]
Then maybe someone else?
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No...
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no one here.
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Then I can do it on my own.
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No, you can't.
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You need help.
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One lone soldier
never won a war.
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Do you have any friends
that can help you?
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suspenseful music plays
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Hey, it's Tim.
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McVeigh.
I'm in your neighborhood.
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tense music plays
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[Angie] "Let the Federal
government be warned.
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True Patriots will refresh
the tree of liberty
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with your blood,
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as you have spilled blood
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at Ruby Ridge and Waco."
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You think this is enough
to run his phone records?
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Uh, no.
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First Amendment,
he's got the right to say
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whatever dumb thing
pops into his head.
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But that's not
really my concern.
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I keep thinking about that
bank of fax machines we found.
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If this newsletter
is getting out
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to even a handful
of these groups,
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it could be amplifying
the message exponentially.
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I wonder what kind of readership
this rag gets.
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Well, we can just call and ask.
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They put their phone number out
on the back of this thing.
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[phone rings]
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[John on phone] Taking Aim.
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Yeah, I run a small arms
manufacturing business
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in Oklahoma
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and I read your newsletter
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at a friend's place
the other day.
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I wanted to commend you
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on your support
of the Second Amendment.
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Uh, I also wanted to inquire
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about advertising
in your newsletter.
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[John] Yeah?
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Uh, but the thing is,
my business partners,
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they're not so keen
on the idea of advertising
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in such a local paper.
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[John] Local?
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No. We have a broader reach
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than your partners
may realize.
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That so?
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[John] We ship to 43 states
and counting.
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Well, you know, we have a fairly
sizable advertising budget.
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We were looking to go
pretty small with you, guys,
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but if you have
that kind of reach--
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[John] Offering a deal.
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You take out an ad now
and keep it running,
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we'll lock in the rate
based on today's readership.
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We're doubling
our subscribers
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every six months.
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Every six months?
That's impressive.
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So, uh,
what's your readership at now?
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Couple hundred?
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[John] No. Over 50,000 readers
per issue.
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[Dan]
Well, Ballesteros hurt us,
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there's no getting around that.
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Which is why
we should go at him,
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get into his past cases.
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Was there something
in his personal history, uh,
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a domestic dispute or something?
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-Slow down there, cowboy.
-[Dan] Careful, that's spicy.
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Rocket, I love your enthusiasm,
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but Ballesteros watched
his buddy die in his arms.
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There's no way the jury
is gonna see him as the bad guy.
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Agreed. Any air time
we give Ballesteros
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is just a loss for us,
so we should just tell him
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to have a nice day and move on.
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[Dan] Well, you know,
I'm not saying that either.
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Ballesteros will never be
the bad guy.
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Not after what
he's been through.
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We're not gonna win that.
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And our clients will never
be the heroes either 'cause...
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well, the jury
doesn't like them.
262
00:13:16,034 --> 00:13:18,004
Hell, the whole world
doesn't like them.
263
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We need to show the jury
264
00:13:19,874 --> 00:13:23,174
that this is a story
about failed leadership,
265
00:13:23,374 --> 00:13:25,384
on both sides.
266
00:13:25,584 --> 00:13:29,014
How long did you train
for the raid on February 28th?
267
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About a week.
268
00:13:30,844 --> 00:13:33,144
And during that week,
did you ever prepare
269
00:13:33,344 --> 00:13:34,854
for a peaceful entry
270
00:13:35,054 --> 00:13:37,474
or-or ways in which
you might avoid violence?
271
00:13:38,684 --> 00:13:40,564
I'm not sure what you mean.
272
00:13:40,774 --> 00:13:43,074
Well, what I mean is that
the-the warrant you obtained
273
00:13:43,274 --> 00:13:44,864
was a knock and serve warrant,
274
00:13:45,064 --> 00:13:47,414
which means you're supposed
to knock on the door
275
00:13:47,614 --> 00:13:49,784
and-and serve a search warrant.
276
00:13:49,984 --> 00:13:53,114
My question is, is why wasn't
that part of your plan?
277
00:13:54,324 --> 00:13:55,664
We had information
that suggested that
278
00:13:55,864 --> 00:13:57,504
the residents at Mount Carmel
279
00:13:57,704 --> 00:14:00,174
might try to kill themselves
if Koresh was arrested.
280
00:14:00,374 --> 00:14:02,344
We were trying to go in with
speed and force to avoid that.
281
00:14:02,544 --> 00:14:05,014
-[scoffs] What?
-[people murmuring]
282
00:14:05,214 --> 00:14:07,804
[Dan] And, uh,
what was the operation
283
00:14:08,004 --> 00:14:10,854
to raid Mount Carmel called?
284
00:14:11,054 --> 00:14:13,014
Operation Trojan Horse.
285
00:14:13,214 --> 00:14:14,554
Is that what you called it?
286
00:14:18,394 --> 00:14:20,444
How did you refer
to the raid internally
287
00:14:20,644 --> 00:14:23,104
among the other agents
during training?
288
00:14:29,694 --> 00:14:31,284
Operation Showtime.
289
00:14:32,704 --> 00:14:35,044
Operation Showtime?
290
00:14:35,244 --> 00:14:36,754
Well, that's interesting.
291
00:14:36,954 --> 00:14:38,124
Why Showtime?
292
00:14:38,324 --> 00:14:40,044
Were there--
were there cameras there?
293
00:14:41,914 --> 00:14:44,304
There was someone filming, yes.
294
00:14:44,504 --> 00:14:46,764
Oh. Well, that's great.
295
00:14:46,964 --> 00:14:48,554
Why are we even arguing
about what happened?
296
00:14:48,754 --> 00:14:50,134
We, we should just
watch the tape.
297
00:14:50,334 --> 00:14:52,474
Can we see the tape,
Agent Ballesteros?
298
00:14:53,634 --> 00:14:54,764
No.
299
00:14:55,474 --> 00:14:56,894
No? Why not?
300
00:14:57,854 --> 00:14:59,264
Because it was lost.
301
00:15:01,984 --> 00:15:04,324
-It was lost?
-[people murmuring]
302
00:15:04,524 --> 00:15:05,774
Well, that's unfortunate.
303
00:15:07,734 --> 00:15:11,494
Does the, uh--does the ATF
film a lot of its raids?
304
00:15:11,694 --> 00:15:13,454
I couldn't answer that.
305
00:15:14,154 --> 00:15:16,874
Well, have you been involved
in other raids that were filmed?
306
00:15:17,074 --> 00:15:19,874
Not that I remember.
307
00:15:20,074 --> 00:15:23,044
And how long did it take
for the EMTs to arrive
308
00:15:23,244 --> 00:15:24,674
to help your wounded?
309
00:15:24,874 --> 00:15:26,834
-How long?
-Yeah. How long?
310
00:15:27,754 --> 00:15:30,014
Hours. Not until
after the ceasefire.
311
00:15:30,214 --> 00:15:32,344
Didn't your leaders
make any contingencies
312
00:15:32,544 --> 00:15:34,634
for you and your men
in case there was a problem?
313
00:15:36,804 --> 00:15:38,094
No.
314
00:15:39,724 --> 00:15:40,604
No?
315
00:15:41,644 --> 00:15:43,774
No, there was
no contingency plan for us.
316
00:15:43,974 --> 00:15:46,144
[Dan]
Well, what about Happy Meals?
317
00:15:49,154 --> 00:15:50,784
McDonald's Happy Meals.
318
00:15:50,984 --> 00:15:53,784
Did your leaders make any plans
to have Happy Meals on hand?
319
00:15:54,494 --> 00:15:56,084
Yes.
320
00:15:56,284 --> 00:15:59,294
[Dan] And how many Happy Meals
were brought on this raid?
321
00:15:59,494 --> 00:16:01,084
A hundred.
322
00:16:01,284 --> 00:16:02,754
A hundred Happy Meals,
323
00:16:02,954 --> 00:16:06,004
but not one ambulance,
just in case?
324
00:16:09,004 --> 00:16:11,134
Why the Happy Meals?
325
00:16:11,334 --> 00:16:13,304
[Ballesteros] They thought
it would look good on camera
326
00:16:13,504 --> 00:16:15,054
after the raid
to-to show the world
327
00:16:15,254 --> 00:16:17,304
that we were treating
these kids.
328
00:16:18,434 --> 00:16:20,354
-On camera?
-Yes.
329
00:16:20,554 --> 00:16:23,014
The cameras that were lost
after everything went haywire?
330
00:16:23,894 --> 00:16:25,104
Yes.
331
00:16:25,304 --> 00:16:29,654
[clicks tongue]
Now, you testified that
332
00:16:29,854 --> 00:16:32,574
the Davidians shot first.
333
00:16:32,774 --> 00:16:34,664
Yeah, I did. They, they did.
334
00:16:34,864 --> 00:16:37,244
And then you and Willis
took cover in the dog pen?
335
00:16:37,444 --> 00:16:38,574
Right.
336
00:16:40,534 --> 00:16:42,004
Boy, those dogs
must have been mad
337
00:16:42,204 --> 00:16:43,754
the way you guys
were attacking their home.
338
00:16:43,954 --> 00:16:45,754
Objection. Argumentative.
339
00:16:45,954 --> 00:16:48,374
Sustained.
Watch yourself, counselor.
340
00:16:55,174 --> 00:16:57,634
[clicks tongue]
Were you scared of the dogs?
341
00:16:58,934 --> 00:17:00,844
-No.
-No?
342
00:17:01,764 --> 00:17:03,484
Why not?
343
00:17:03,684 --> 00:17:04,774
The dogs were dead.
344
00:17:04,974 --> 00:17:06,854
-They were dead?
-Yeah.
345
00:17:07,054 --> 00:17:08,404
-They'd been shot?
-Yes.
346
00:17:08,604 --> 00:17:10,774
So when you say
the Davidians shot first,
347
00:17:10,984 --> 00:17:13,654
what you really mean is
that the Davidians shot
348
00:17:13,854 --> 00:17:17,414
after you charged in
and started shooting,
349
00:17:17,614 --> 00:17:19,244
killing their dogs?
350
00:17:20,954 --> 00:17:22,124
[sighs]
351
00:17:22,324 --> 00:17:23,834
You don't have to answer
right now
352
00:17:24,034 --> 00:17:26,794
because you already did
about ten months ago.
353
00:17:26,994 --> 00:17:31,344
Uh, in an interview
you gave to the Texas Rangers
354
00:17:31,544 --> 00:17:33,674
a few weeks after the incident,
355
00:17:33,874 --> 00:17:35,934
you talked about hearing gunfire
356
00:17:36,134 --> 00:17:37,594
as you approached
the front door,
357
00:17:37,794 --> 00:17:38,724
is that correct?
358
00:17:38,924 --> 00:17:40,264
Well, I'm-I'm not sure.
359
00:17:40,464 --> 00:17:41,604
I don't remember
what I said in that interview.
360
00:17:41,804 --> 00:17:42,974
It was a long time ago.
361
00:17:43,174 --> 00:17:44,274
[Dan] Well,
let-let me remind you.
362
00:17:44,474 --> 00:17:47,654
It says here you heard shots
363
00:17:47,854 --> 00:17:50,154
as you exited the trailer
364
00:17:50,354 --> 00:17:52,274
and assumed
it was the "dog team"
365
00:17:52,474 --> 00:17:54,784
who went in first
to shoot the dogs
366
00:17:54,984 --> 00:17:57,734
so they wouldn't attack anyone
during the raid.
367
00:17:59,784 --> 00:18:01,364
Does that sound about right?
368
00:18:02,864 --> 00:18:04,954
I-I may have said that before,
369
00:18:05,154 --> 00:18:07,084
but I don't believe it
to be true now.
370
00:18:07,284 --> 00:18:08,464
The first shots were the ones
371
00:18:08,664 --> 00:18:09,964
that came through
the door at us.
372
00:18:10,164 --> 00:18:12,174
The shots you jumped away from
into a pit
373
00:18:12,374 --> 00:18:14,214
that had dead dogs in it?
374
00:18:18,174 --> 00:18:19,304
Yeah.
375
00:18:23,554 --> 00:18:25,804
I wanna thank you
for your service.
376
00:18:28,064 --> 00:18:29,814
Thank you.
377
00:18:30,014 --> 00:18:32,154
I'm just sorry you served
under the kinds of leaders
378
00:18:32,354 --> 00:18:34,614
who thought of everything
that would look good on the news
379
00:18:34,814 --> 00:18:36,284
and nothing
about their own men's safety.
380
00:18:36,484 --> 00:18:38,154
-Objection!
-No need. I'm done here.
381
00:18:38,354 --> 00:18:41,324
dramatic music plays
382
00:19:06,014 --> 00:19:07,264
[McVeigh] Hey, Terry.
383
00:19:12,524 --> 00:19:13,814
If I was gonna do something,
384
00:19:14,854 --> 00:19:16,274
I mean something big,
385
00:19:17,484 --> 00:19:18,824
would you help me?
386
00:19:21,534 --> 00:19:23,494
Like, what kind of thing?
387
00:19:27,994 --> 00:19:30,414
There's a couple more
depositions we found.
388
00:19:30,614 --> 00:19:32,164
But don't work too hard.
389
00:19:35,084 --> 00:19:37,004
We did good today, huh?
390
00:19:38,884 --> 00:19:40,764
Do you know what this is?
391
00:19:40,964 --> 00:19:44,184
It's discovery
for tomorrow's witnesses.
392
00:19:44,384 --> 00:19:46,394
In other words,
it's all the evidence
393
00:19:46,594 --> 00:19:49,224
the prosecutors have
pertaining to the witnesses
394
00:19:49,434 --> 00:19:51,604
they're gonna call
tomorrow in court.
395
00:19:51,804 --> 00:19:55,064
Now, usually the defense gets
that weeks before the trial.
396
00:19:55,264 --> 00:19:57,194
But in this case,
I get it at 5:00 p.m.
397
00:19:57,394 --> 00:19:59,284
the day before,
which means I have to stay up
398
00:19:59,484 --> 00:20:02,244
until 2:00 a.m. every night
trying to find something
399
00:20:02,444 --> 00:20:06,414
I can use in order
to do my job defending you.
400
00:20:06,614 --> 00:20:11,214
But none of that matters
if the jury doesn't like you.
401
00:20:11,414 --> 00:20:13,084
I don't--I don't understand.
402
00:20:13,284 --> 00:20:14,964
It means I need you
to tell your buddy Ruth here
403
00:20:15,164 --> 00:20:17,214
to stop scoffing
at the witnesses
404
00:20:17,414 --> 00:20:19,634
and I need her
to wear the damn dress.
405
00:20:24,424 --> 00:20:27,684
Today, I have
a special treat for y'all.
406
00:20:27,884 --> 00:20:30,514
I have asked Vernon
to lead the lesson.
407
00:20:31,104 --> 00:20:32,144
Vernon?
408
00:20:48,614 --> 00:20:52,034
The antediluvians
were great sinners.
409
00:20:53,414 --> 00:20:56,294
And they did everything
they could
410
00:20:56,494 --> 00:20:59,964
to misrepresent
the image of God, Paul tells us.
411
00:21:19,644 --> 00:21:22,654
But then, God made a system...
412
00:21:24,404 --> 00:21:26,694
so simple, to be saved, that...
413
00:21:27,154 --> 00:21:30,614
all they had to do was get
on that ark to be rescued.
414
00:21:31,744 --> 00:21:32,954
It was that simple.
415
00:21:35,494 --> 00:21:37,124
Rachel, hand me my Bible.
416
00:21:47,214 --> 00:21:49,924
And now, we look back on that
with amazement,
417
00:21:50,344 --> 00:21:54,104
thinking how foolish
those antediluvians were.
418
00:21:55,184 --> 00:21:56,604
But the thing of it is,
419
00:21:57,774 --> 00:22:00,694
we're far greater sinners
than they ever were.
420
00:22:00,894 --> 00:22:03,614
So how do we know
we're not missing our own signs,
421
00:22:03,814 --> 00:22:05,824
our own opportunity to be saved?
422
00:22:06,944 --> 00:22:08,414
When God tells us,
423
00:22:08,614 --> 00:22:10,494
"Get in that ark, Clive Doyle!"
424
00:22:10,694 --> 00:22:12,164
[all laughing]
425
00:22:12,364 --> 00:22:13,664
[Vernon] How many of us say,
426
00:22:13,864 --> 00:22:15,374
"Well, maybe give me
a minute there, God.
427
00:22:15,574 --> 00:22:17,164
I got all these really
important things I'm doing here.
428
00:22:17,364 --> 00:22:18,754
I got this laundry
I'm doing.
429
00:22:18,954 --> 00:22:20,084
The carburetor's leakin'.
430
00:22:20,284 --> 00:22:21,344
Man, there's
this real good episode
431
00:22:21,544 --> 00:22:23,094
of Dukes of Hazzard on the TV.
432
00:22:23,294 --> 00:22:25,174
Maybe I'll get on that ark
after that.
433
00:22:25,374 --> 00:22:26,924
Maybe I can pencil it in
for next Tuesday?"
434
00:22:27,124 --> 00:22:28,514
[people chuckle]
435
00:22:28,714 --> 00:22:31,724
When I had my vision
in Israel and God told me,
436
00:22:31,924 --> 00:22:34,394
"Boy, get those dang people
into that ark,"
437
00:22:34,594 --> 00:22:36,354
I'm paraphrasing here.
438
00:22:37,474 --> 00:22:41,444
I told Him I'd do anything
for you people here.
439
00:22:41,644 --> 00:22:44,774
Even die for you,
if it came down to it.
440
00:22:46,564 --> 00:22:49,114
[whispering]
He's catching people's eyes.
441
00:22:49,314 --> 00:22:50,994
Better be careful.
442
00:22:51,194 --> 00:22:53,864
[whispering] He has a gift.
It's nothing to fear.
443
00:23:01,204 --> 00:23:03,754
-You moving?
-Didn't you hear?
444
00:23:03,954 --> 00:23:05,884
They're shutting down
our undercover unit.
445
00:23:06,084 --> 00:23:08,514
-Shutting you down?
-Yup.
446
00:23:08,714 --> 00:23:11,594
After Waco, our bosses,
in their infinite wisdom,
447
00:23:11,794 --> 00:23:14,644
decided that domestic terrorism
is no longer a primary concern
448
00:23:14,844 --> 00:23:16,274
for us as an agency.
449
00:23:16,474 --> 00:23:18,644
That we should focus
on foreign enemies.
450
00:23:18,844 --> 00:23:20,644
-Uh-hmm.
-Ironically,
451
00:23:20,844 --> 00:23:22,564
Waco also fueled
the very problem
452
00:23:22,764 --> 00:23:24,774
they're trying real hard
not to see.
453
00:23:24,974 --> 00:23:27,324
You know, I would say,
"No offense intended,"
454
00:23:27,524 --> 00:23:28,654
but I would be lying.
455
00:23:28,854 --> 00:23:30,454
[Gary] Yeah. All right.
456
00:23:30,654 --> 00:23:32,904
-Yeah, I got a question for you.
-Yeah.
457
00:23:34,244 --> 00:23:36,114
Do you know who this fella is?
458
00:23:37,124 --> 00:23:40,964
[sighs] Yup.
That is Pappy Millar.
459
00:23:41,164 --> 00:23:42,834
-Hmm.
-Scary dude.
460
00:23:43,034 --> 00:23:44,294
Religious extremist,
461
00:23:44,494 --> 00:23:46,504
founded Elohim City
in Oklahoma,
462
00:23:46,704 --> 00:23:48,174
mentored multiple people
who went on to kill cops,
463
00:23:48,374 --> 00:23:50,014
federal agents.
464
00:23:50,214 --> 00:23:52,764
-I would steer clear.
-Uh-hmm.
465
00:23:53,634 --> 00:23:55,184
Hey.
466
00:23:55,384 --> 00:23:56,434
You know where this photo
was taken?
467
00:23:56,634 --> 00:23:57,894
Uh-hmm.
468
00:23:58,094 --> 00:23:59,684
That is
the Rocky Mountain Rendezvous.
469
00:23:59,884 --> 00:24:01,354
Happened just after Ruby Ridge.
470
00:24:01,554 --> 00:24:03,234
It was like a meeting
of the five families,
471
00:24:03,434 --> 00:24:05,114
but white supremacist version.
472
00:24:05,314 --> 00:24:06,574
Huh. [sniffles]
473
00:24:06,774 --> 00:24:08,654
Bunch of Nazis, KKK,
all these assholes,
474
00:24:08,854 --> 00:24:10,904
they got together for a picnic.
475
00:24:12,154 --> 00:24:13,454
They decided on a new strategy.
476
00:24:13,654 --> 00:24:14,954
Apparently,
they didn't like the way
477
00:24:15,154 --> 00:24:16,584
they were being portrayed
in the media,
478
00:24:16,784 --> 00:24:18,994
so they decided to start
calling themselves "Patriots."
479
00:24:19,194 --> 00:24:22,334
Guess it sounded better
than Klansmen or Nazis.
480
00:24:22,534 --> 00:24:23,674
Uh-hmm.
481
00:24:23,874 --> 00:24:26,134
Well, you know what Patriots do.
482
00:24:26,334 --> 00:24:27,714
They overthrow a tyranny.
483
00:24:27,914 --> 00:24:30,714
I just had a bank robber
from Elohim City
484
00:24:30,914 --> 00:24:34,514
who must have used
that word 14 times.
485
00:24:34,714 --> 00:24:37,014
I found this photo in his room.
486
00:24:37,594 --> 00:24:41,854
He mentioned there's some
kind of payback for Waco coming.
487
00:24:42,054 --> 00:24:44,564
I would take that one seriously.
488
00:24:44,764 --> 00:24:45,984
[Joe] You coming, Cogdell?
489
00:24:46,184 --> 00:24:47,654
[Dan] Uh, no. I'm gonna work
a little longer.
490
00:24:47,854 --> 00:24:49,234
[Joe] Yeah.
You wanna just talk
491
00:24:49,434 --> 00:24:50,734
to that waitress, don't you?
492
00:24:50,934 --> 00:24:53,074
[Dan chuckles]
Whatever happens, happens.
493
00:24:53,274 --> 00:24:54,704
[Joe] All right, man.
Good night.
494
00:24:54,904 --> 00:24:56,154
Good night.
495
00:25:06,954 --> 00:25:09,674
Oh. Hey, Jocelyn,
can I get one more of those?
496
00:25:09,874 --> 00:25:11,504
-Yeah. I got you.
-All right.
497
00:25:19,134 --> 00:25:22,684
suspenseful music plays
498
00:25:24,724 --> 00:25:25,814
[groaning]
499
00:25:35,234 --> 00:25:36,904
[door creaks open]
500
00:25:37,194 --> 00:25:39,034
-[Dan sighs]
-[door closes]
501
00:25:39,904 --> 00:25:40,914
[lock clicks]
502
00:25:43,034 --> 00:25:43,914
[exhales sharply]
503
00:25:46,584 --> 00:25:48,634
What you doing there, padre?
504
00:25:48,834 --> 00:25:50,294
I've been watching the trial
505
00:25:50,494 --> 00:25:52,214
and researching
what happened at Waco.
506
00:25:52,414 --> 00:25:53,884
You're doing a good job.
507
00:25:55,424 --> 00:25:56,934
Always nice to meet a fan.
508
00:25:57,134 --> 00:26:00,054
But you need to go harder
at the government.
509
00:26:03,644 --> 00:26:06,024
[Dan] Listen, I,
I appreciate the critique,
510
00:26:06,224 --> 00:26:07,524
but, uh, I'd like to get
a little privacy here,
511
00:26:07,724 --> 00:26:09,104
-if that's all right.
-[sighs]
512
00:26:09,304 --> 00:26:11,274
You need to pursue
the cover-up
513
00:26:11,474 --> 00:26:13,404
with the same energy
that you're pursuing
514
00:26:13,604 --> 00:26:14,654
the incident itself.
515
00:26:14,854 --> 00:26:16,574
You're missing a big story here
516
00:26:16,774 --> 00:26:17,994
because, ironically,
517
00:26:18,194 --> 00:26:19,164
you don't believe
your own argument.
518
00:26:19,364 --> 00:26:20,574
Man, what are you talking about?
519
00:26:20,774 --> 00:26:22,454
You are trying so hard
520
00:26:22,654 --> 00:26:24,914
to make the Davidians look
like they were victims.
521
00:26:25,114 --> 00:26:26,334
They were victims,
522
00:26:26,534 --> 00:26:28,004
during the siege
and every day since.
523
00:26:28,204 --> 00:26:30,134
You're talking
about how the ATF shot first,
524
00:26:30,334 --> 00:26:32,384
but you're not talking
about the bullet holes
525
00:26:32,584 --> 00:26:34,884
in the front door
that would prove it.
526
00:26:35,084 --> 00:26:36,634
The doors burned up in the fire.
527
00:26:36,834 --> 00:26:38,514
[chuckles]
No. No, they didn't.
528
00:26:38,714 --> 00:26:40,804
Those were metal doors,
the Feds are just hiding them.
529
00:26:41,004 --> 00:26:43,144
No, they were wood.
It's in all the reports
530
00:26:43,344 --> 00:26:44,854
and I'm not having
a conversation about it
531
00:26:45,054 --> 00:26:46,854
with some paranoid
conspiracy theorist
532
00:26:47,054 --> 00:26:48,854
-in the men's room, so--
-William Colby,
533
00:26:49,054 --> 00:26:51,194
former director of the CIA
told me personally
534
00:26:51,394 --> 00:26:54,614
that US Federal Agents
were picking off Koresh's people
535
00:26:54,814 --> 00:26:56,904
during the siege, and then,
536
00:26:57,104 --> 00:26:59,944
he was found drowned, so...
537
00:27:00,694 --> 00:27:01,704
Okay.
538
00:27:01,904 --> 00:27:03,374
Please unlock the door
539
00:27:03,574 --> 00:27:05,124
and get out of the way
before I throw a punch
540
00:27:05,324 --> 00:27:07,074
and embarrass both of us.
541
00:27:13,584 --> 00:27:15,464
This is bigger than you think.
542
00:27:19,214 --> 00:27:21,304
There is so much more
I can tell you.
543
00:27:21,504 --> 00:27:24,684
Information I have,
photos, documents.
544
00:27:26,394 --> 00:27:28,974
I...I just wanna help.
545
00:27:33,314 --> 00:27:36,314
[people chatter]
546
00:27:44,034 --> 00:27:45,874
While we enjoy
this delicious meal,
547
00:27:46,074 --> 00:27:48,574
I wanted to share something
with you all.
548
00:27:50,374 --> 00:27:52,414
I received another message...
549
00:27:53,454 --> 00:27:55,044
a vision from God.
550
00:27:57,834 --> 00:27:59,964
He told me I was to take a wife.
551
00:28:01,254 --> 00:28:04,474
And he was specific, too,
with who that wife should be.
552
00:28:06,514 --> 00:28:08,144
He showed me her face in the sky
553
00:28:08,344 --> 00:28:10,524
with a million shining suns
behind her.
554
00:28:10,724 --> 00:28:11,984
And he told me that together,
555
00:28:12,184 --> 00:28:13,654
she and I would birth
the first of the Elders
556
00:28:13,854 --> 00:28:16,194
spoken of in Revelation,
557
00:28:16,394 --> 00:28:19,154
who will one day sit in judgment
over the end times.
558
00:28:21,154 --> 00:28:22,534
And her name...
559
00:28:28,744 --> 00:28:29,824
was Rachel.
560
00:28:35,164 --> 00:28:38,174
The Lord has commanded
I take you as my bride.
561
00:28:41,924 --> 00:28:43,554
[George] You see it now?
562
00:28:47,884 --> 00:28:50,434
You must be misinterpreting
your vision.
563
00:28:50,634 --> 00:28:52,564
She's just a girl.
564
00:28:52,764 --> 00:28:54,314
The prophecy was clear.
565
00:28:54,514 --> 00:28:57,774
Then your own desires
must be getting in the way.
566
00:28:57,974 --> 00:29:00,694
[scoffs] Believe me,
567
00:29:00,894 --> 00:29:03,154
I don't like this
any better than you do.
568
00:29:03,354 --> 00:29:04,864
But God has spoken,
569
00:29:05,064 --> 00:29:07,904
and I must follow His dictates
where they lead.
570
00:29:09,614 --> 00:29:11,544
You used me.
571
00:29:11,744 --> 00:29:13,414
You just think I'm an old fool.
572
00:29:14,704 --> 00:29:16,664
Did you ever even love me?
573
00:29:19,624 --> 00:29:22,014
-You snake!
-[Lois] Oh!
574
00:29:22,214 --> 00:29:23,054
-[gunshot]
-[people screaming]
575
00:29:23,254 --> 00:29:24,594
[Vernon] Clive, get the bus!
576
00:29:24,794 --> 00:29:28,054
-[gunshot]
-Get out! Get out! Quick!
577
00:29:28,254 --> 00:29:29,934
-[grunting]
-[screaming continues]
578
00:29:32,804 --> 00:29:34,184
[Clive] Come on!
579
00:29:34,384 --> 00:29:36,524
-On the bus, let's go!
-[Vernon] Come on!
580
00:29:36,724 --> 00:29:38,984
-Quickly! Get on the bus!
-[gun firing]
581
00:29:39,184 --> 00:29:41,234
-Go with them! Go with them!
-[child crying]
582
00:29:41,434 --> 00:29:42,734
[Vernon] Come on! Fast!
583
00:29:43,864 --> 00:29:45,704
Vernon, you... [panting]
584
00:29:45,904 --> 00:29:47,364
-Don't!
-Come with us.
585
00:29:47,564 --> 00:29:50,124
I can't. I can't leave Lois.
586
00:29:50,324 --> 00:29:53,284
It's okay.
God told me I'll be back here.
587
00:29:54,374 --> 00:29:56,624
All right, let's go.
588
00:29:56,824 --> 00:29:58,954
-[engine starts, revs]
-[Ruth gasps]
589
00:30:02,584 --> 00:30:04,214
Put your heads down!
590
00:30:04,414 --> 00:30:06,964
[children screaming]
591
00:30:09,594 --> 00:30:12,394
dramatic music plays
592
00:30:12,594 --> 00:30:15,304
[people chattering]
593
00:30:20,484 --> 00:30:21,644
[sobs]
594
00:30:25,984 --> 00:30:27,534
[breathes deeply]
595
00:30:27,734 --> 00:30:30,694
[all chattering]
596
00:30:37,704 --> 00:30:39,254
Thank you.
597
00:30:40,414 --> 00:30:42,004
God will resurrect them.
598
00:30:42,834 --> 00:30:44,174
David...
599
00:30:45,384 --> 00:30:46,764
everyone we lost.
600
00:30:46,964 --> 00:30:49,004
We'll all be together
again someday.
601
00:30:50,884 --> 00:30:53,804
I don't wanna be in a jail cell
when that happens.
602
00:30:56,014 --> 00:30:57,684
We'll do our best.
603
00:31:09,574 --> 00:31:12,284
The, uh--the front doors
to Mount Carmel,
604
00:31:12,484 --> 00:31:13,574
they were wood, right?
605
00:31:14,994 --> 00:31:17,084
No, metal.
606
00:31:17,284 --> 00:31:19,084
All the doors were metal.
607
00:31:20,494 --> 00:31:21,584
Why?
608
00:31:23,214 --> 00:31:24,254
No.
609
00:31:29,504 --> 00:31:31,924
[sighs]
610
00:31:45,064 --> 00:31:46,694
[Alan] What's this?
611
00:31:46,894 --> 00:31:50,114
Well, that's a newsletter
from the Militia of Montana,
612
00:31:50,524 --> 00:31:53,994
and this is a lovely book
called The Turner Diaries.
613
00:31:54,194 --> 00:31:55,704
We found both of them at that
614
00:31:55,904 --> 00:31:58,244
Aryan Nation flophouse
in Arkansas.
615
00:31:58,454 --> 00:32:01,164
Now, we've also found copies
of this book in raids
616
00:32:01,364 --> 00:32:05,214
in Florida, Nevada, Michigan,
Montana, and California.
617
00:32:05,414 --> 00:32:07,884
Hm.
618
00:32:08,084 --> 00:32:11,344
We're not the book police, Gary.
This is still America.
619
00:32:11,544 --> 00:32:13,514
People can read
what they want to.
620
00:32:15,594 --> 00:32:18,354
You know what this book's about?
621
00:32:18,554 --> 00:32:20,814
It's about trying to ignite
622
00:32:21,014 --> 00:32:23,314
a new Civil War in America.
623
00:32:24,564 --> 00:32:26,314
And the hero of this book begins
624
00:32:26,514 --> 00:32:28,444
by using a truck bomb
625
00:32:28,644 --> 00:32:31,194
to blow up FBI headquarters.
626
00:32:31,394 --> 00:32:34,034
And by the end,
they're storming the US Capitol
627
00:32:34,234 --> 00:32:37,664
to kill specific legislators
to overthrow the government.
628
00:32:37,864 --> 00:32:39,874
[chuckles]
That's a little farfetched,
629
00:32:40,074 --> 00:32:41,874
-don't you think?
-No.
630
00:32:42,074 --> 00:32:43,624
Not to mention,
this thing was published
631
00:32:43,824 --> 00:32:45,214
almost 20 years ago.
632
00:32:45,414 --> 00:32:48,884
So how is this suddenly
an emergency?
633
00:32:49,084 --> 00:32:50,714
Because I believe
that these groups
634
00:32:50,914 --> 00:32:54,224
are using this book to help
coordinate their efforts.
635
00:32:54,424 --> 00:32:56,394
These militias,
they used to be separate,
636
00:32:56,594 --> 00:32:57,804
you know, little pockets
here and there,
637
00:32:58,004 --> 00:32:59,224
we could deal with them.
638
00:32:59,424 --> 00:33:01,814
But now, Waco...
639
00:33:02,014 --> 00:33:03,524
has done something to them.
640
00:33:03,724 --> 00:33:05,934
It's--it's united them.
641
00:33:07,814 --> 00:33:09,734
And they're starting
to look more
642
00:33:09,934 --> 00:33:12,074
like a foreign terrorist network
643
00:33:12,274 --> 00:33:14,454
than anything we've ever seen
in the US before.
644
00:33:14,654 --> 00:33:18,324
All these separate
individual cells
645
00:33:18,534 --> 00:33:21,914
united by a common ideology...
646
00:33:23,494 --> 00:33:27,204
a common enemy, us.
647
00:33:32,214 --> 00:33:33,924
Okay. Look, Gary...
648
00:33:36,054 --> 00:33:39,764
I know you feel shitty
about what happened at Waco.
649
00:33:39,964 --> 00:33:41,764
Hell, we all feel shitty
about it.
650
00:33:41,974 --> 00:33:45,734
It was a shitty situation
all around.
651
00:33:45,934 --> 00:33:49,444
But it's done,
you cannot undo it.
652
00:33:49,644 --> 00:33:50,944
I'm not trying to undo it.
653
00:33:51,144 --> 00:33:52,784
I'm trying to stop it
from happening again.
654
00:33:52,984 --> 00:33:54,404
And so am I.
655
00:33:54,604 --> 00:33:56,244
The decision's
already been made, Gary,
656
00:33:56,444 --> 00:33:58,114
above my pay grade.
657
00:33:58,314 --> 00:34:00,164
The bureau is now
gonna concentrate
658
00:34:00,364 --> 00:34:03,294
all of its efforts
on foreign terrorism.
659
00:34:03,494 --> 00:34:04,834
Never mind. Okay.
660
00:34:09,754 --> 00:34:12,174
You know what? I-I, uh...
661
00:34:14,334 --> 00:34:16,884
I kept quiet after Waco,
you know?
662
00:34:18,844 --> 00:34:20,724
I played nice.
I kept my mouth shut.
663
00:34:20,924 --> 00:34:23,894
But I'm telling you now, Alan,
in no uncertain terms,
664
00:34:24,094 --> 00:34:27,774
if you won't let me look
into this new "Patriot Movement"
665
00:34:27,974 --> 00:34:29,404
and they do something stupid,
666
00:34:29,604 --> 00:34:31,734
I'm not gonna be quiet about it.
667
00:34:31,934 --> 00:34:33,234
Not again.
668
00:34:34,774 --> 00:34:36,154
If something terrible happens,
669
00:34:36,354 --> 00:34:37,744
I'm gonna have to tell the world
670
00:34:37,944 --> 00:34:41,074
that I warned you
specifically today.
671
00:34:50,754 --> 00:34:52,094
Two weeks.
672
00:34:52,294 --> 00:34:55,134
But if you do anything
even remotely reckless,
673
00:34:55,334 --> 00:34:58,474
I will not wait for the DOJ
review to come back, Gary.
674
00:34:58,674 --> 00:35:01,224
I will fire you myself.
675
00:35:01,424 --> 00:35:03,594
-Do you understand?
-Yes, sir.
676
00:35:06,224 --> 00:35:09,354
So how's a nice girl like you
end up a neo-Nazi?
677
00:35:09,554 --> 00:35:11,654
[Carol] Oh. [chuckles]
678
00:35:11,854 --> 00:35:13,314
Wow, you get right to it, huh?
679
00:35:13,514 --> 00:35:14,814
[Gary] Yeah.
680
00:35:15,944 --> 00:35:17,404
Yeah, I was reading your file.
681
00:35:17,604 --> 00:35:19,704
It looks like you went
to some good schools,
682
00:35:19,904 --> 00:35:23,074
honor student,
champion horseback rider.
683
00:35:23,274 --> 00:35:25,114
A regular debutante.
684
00:35:27,744 --> 00:35:30,464
I was also a pole dancer
at Lady Godiva's.
685
00:35:30,664 --> 00:35:32,294
-Did it say that in there?
-Uh-hmm.
686
00:35:33,914 --> 00:35:36,004
Well, that's quite
a lateral move,
687
00:35:36,204 --> 00:35:39,724
pole dancing to joining
the Aryan Republican Army,
688
00:35:39,924 --> 00:35:41,134
isn't it?
689
00:35:42,014 --> 00:35:43,644
I don't know.
690
00:35:43,844 --> 00:35:45,804
I was mostly in it
for Wild Bill.
691
00:35:47,684 --> 00:35:50,144
What can I say?
I guess I like the bad boys...
692
00:35:50,344 --> 00:35:51,644
[Gary chuckles]
693
00:35:51,844 --> 00:35:54,144
...and they just love me.
694
00:35:55,644 --> 00:35:58,154
[Gary] I guess
what I'm getting at is,
695
00:35:58,354 --> 00:35:59,904
did you join just for Bill
696
00:36:00,104 --> 00:36:02,734
or are you a true believer?
697
00:36:04,904 --> 00:36:06,374
I'm not sure a true believer
698
00:36:06,574 --> 00:36:08,494
would be having milkshakes
with a Fed.
699
00:36:08,704 --> 00:36:09,794
[Gary] Right.
700
00:36:09,994 --> 00:36:11,454
What's this about, Gary?
701
00:36:15,624 --> 00:36:18,504
How would you feel about going
back to Elohim City...
702
00:36:19,754 --> 00:36:20,844
for us?
703
00:36:24,884 --> 00:36:28,304
-Like an informant?
-[Gary] Yeah, an informant.
704
00:36:30,104 --> 00:36:31,184
[chuckles]
705
00:36:33,604 --> 00:36:34,524
Bad.
706
00:36:35,934 --> 00:36:37,734
I feel bad about that.
707
00:36:37,934 --> 00:36:39,734
Those guys are crazy.
708
00:36:41,574 --> 00:36:43,954
They ever found out
I ratted out Wild Bill,
709
00:36:44,154 --> 00:36:45,624
well, they'd kill me.
710
00:36:45,824 --> 00:36:48,624
They found out
I was working with you all?
711
00:36:48,824 --> 00:36:51,874
Well, they'd kill me real mean.
712
00:36:57,294 --> 00:36:59,424
Well, what are they gonna think
if you disappear
713
00:36:59,624 --> 00:37:02,174
now that Wild Bill
has been arrested?
714
00:37:03,304 --> 00:37:06,844
Hmm? That's gonna look
pretty suspicious, too.
715
00:37:10,644 --> 00:37:14,064
If you help us,
we can protect you.
716
00:37:14,264 --> 00:37:15,894
You won't be on your own.
717
00:37:22,024 --> 00:37:24,524
Just like you guys protected
Vicki Weaver?
718
00:37:26,864 --> 00:37:29,744
Or like you protected
those people down at Waco?
719
00:37:33,664 --> 00:37:35,464
No, thank you.
720
00:37:35,664 --> 00:37:38,294
I don't need the FBI
protecting me.
721
00:37:38,494 --> 00:37:40,794
I've been on my own
my whole life.
722
00:37:42,544 --> 00:37:44,714
[scoffs]
Don't try to find me again.
723
00:37:53,644 --> 00:37:56,274
[John Roberts on TV] This is
a CBS News Special Report.
724
00:37:56,474 --> 00:37:59,484
John Roberts at the CBS News
headquarters in New York.
725
00:37:59,684 --> 00:38:02,484
Some six hours after the FBI
launched an operation
726
00:38:02,684 --> 00:38:04,744
trying to bring
the 51-day standoff...
727
00:38:04,944 --> 00:38:07,994
People like us were
in that building.
728
00:38:08,194 --> 00:38:10,454
The kinds of people
nobody cares about.
729
00:38:12,664 --> 00:38:14,164
If we burned
right alongside them,
730
00:38:14,364 --> 00:38:16,874
if your wife and son
burned in there,
731
00:38:17,074 --> 00:38:19,924
nobody would have given
a shit about them either.
732
00:38:20,124 --> 00:38:23,714
[reporter speaking
indistinctly on TV]
733
00:38:23,914 --> 00:38:26,514
Nobody cares about us,
734
00:38:26,714 --> 00:38:28,554
because they don't fear us.
735
00:38:28,754 --> 00:38:30,514
[reporter] ...when
the main building caught fire
736
00:38:30,714 --> 00:38:32,564
and flames quickly spread
737
00:38:32,764 --> 00:38:34,564
leaving behind
a devastating aftermath...
738
00:38:34,764 --> 00:38:35,984
[McVeigh] But they will.
739
00:38:36,184 --> 00:38:38,524
[reporter speaking indistinctly]
740
00:38:40,394 --> 00:38:41,644
I'm in.
741
00:38:44,984 --> 00:38:46,524
Whatever it is you're doing...
742
00:38:47,694 --> 00:38:48,784
I'm in.
743
00:38:48,984 --> 00:38:51,864
suspenseful music plays
744
00:39:01,504 --> 00:39:04,584
rock music plays
745
00:39:04,634 --> 00:39:09,184
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