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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,800 APPLAUSE 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,720 The Global Fund is one of the best and kindest things 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,960 people have ever done for one another. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,200 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,160 Bill Gates became an icon. 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:18,920 He's a brilliant man. 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,680 And when he sees kids in Third World countries dying, 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:28,960 he's thinking about how he could use his wealth to solve problems. 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,800 Our foundation announced a ¤500 million grant 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,400 to the Global Fund. 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,760 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,600 It's hard not to celebrate him and say, "This is pretty amazing." 13 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,080 But he's not a warm, cuddly guy. 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:46,560 It's all business. 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,120 Bill Gates is a complicated person. 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,840 Bill Gates at Microsoft was this cold-hearted bully. 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,480 Whereas Bill Gates at the Gates Foundation is widely celebrated 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,120 because of billions of dollars he's given away. 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,640 But it's not the innocent humanitarian organisation 20 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,480 that we've been led to believe it is. 21 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,120 It was really scandalous. 22 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,520 Country after country, absolute horror scenes of bodies piling up. 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,120 Something went seriously wrong with Covid-vaccine production. 24 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,800 He has more power than entire countries. 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,680 Competitors were afraid of Gates' endless resources to destroy them. 26 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaking out against Bill Gates, it could have repercussions. 27 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:44,640 But I just decided it was time to talk about the person he really is. 28 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,920 Insiders have never been brave enough to speak publicly... 29 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,280 ..until now. 30 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,120 I have a PhD in mathematics, 31 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:05,480 I am the recipient of 21 honorary doctorates, 32 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,920 and I was chosen by Fortune 33 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,040 to be number 17 34 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,320 on their list of the 50 greatest leaders in the world. 35 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,880 My daughter, she says, "Mum, you beat Angelina Jolie." 36 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:24,680 And I said, "But I lost out to the Dalai Lama!" 37 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,120 My name is Maria Klawe. I'm a computer scientist, 38 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:34,640 and I served on the Microsoft board from 2009 to 2015. 39 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,800 I didn't really know Bill Gates before I joined the Microsoft board, 40 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,840 and I really thought of him as...as, yes, 41 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,000 being a champion for helping people in the world that needed help. 42 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,240 Are we going to ask you to support another campaign 43 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,640 about empowering women and girls? 44 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,080 Absolutely. 45 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,240 Because if everyone in the world 46 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,560 thought of themselves as global citizens, 47 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,640 it would help make sure that women and girls 48 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:08,360 receive the education, opportunity and respect they deserve. 49 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,720 Only global citizens can make global change. 50 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,320 If we can all think of ourselves as global citizens... 51 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,120 ..girls and women will be supported throughout the world. 52 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,280 INTERVIEWER: What do you make of him saying that? 53 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:26,440 He's a jerk. 54 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,920 The work that the Gates Foundation has done, 55 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,600 it's supporting poor women in Africa 56 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,360 and in many other parts of the world. 57 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,440 It's obvious to me that that's not a priority for him. 58 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:53,040 But he's willing to be videotaped saying it's a priority for him. 59 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,160 I went up to Bill at a board meeting and said, 60 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,720 "I'm thinking about diversity in STEM." 61 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,280 Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics. 62 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,040 And he just said straight out, "I'm not interested in diversity." 63 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,280 Maria Klawe has never before spoken out 64 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,840 about Gates' attitudes to diversity. 65 00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:20,880 This is someone who... 66 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,960 ..has set out to achieve things 67 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,960 that are clearly at odds with his personal beliefs. 68 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,720 Bill Gates has spent decades devoted to philanthropy. 69 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,400 He's pledged over ¤100 billion of his own money, 70 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,240 made through commercial ventures 71 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:49,000 and as founder of software giant Microsoft. 72 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:56,560 Raised in Seattle, he was born into privilege. 73 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,280 He lived in a very nice neighbourhood. 74 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:00,640 His father, 75 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,520 head of a large legal firm. 76 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,280 They had plenty of wealth. 77 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:10,080 And Bill learned from the best schools in the country. 78 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,800 I met Bill Gates in high school. 79 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:18,640 He was quite nerdy, quite opinionated. 80 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:22,840 I don't think he was very popular. I don't recall him 81 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,560 having a girlfriend in high school, 82 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,000 but I could be wrong. 83 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,880 Being friends with Bill Gates had a lot to do with computers. 84 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,160 There were ten of us that were really nerdy. 85 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:42,480 So there was Bill Gates, Paul Allen, me... 86 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:43,960 We were all self-taught. 87 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:50,360 Gates used his technical gifts to advance his high school status, 88 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,760 as he playfully acknowledged as an older man 89 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,520 who'd become the toast of showbiz. 90 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,240 You were so far ahead of people in your high school class 91 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:02,800 with knowledge of computers that the school hired you, didn't they? 92 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:05,280 That's right. I did the school scheduling. 93 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,440 It was a very nice position to be in. 94 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:08,880 LAUGHTER 95 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,280 And how did you make that work to your advantage? 96 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,320 Well, we...we had 80% boys and 20% girls. 97 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,920 But in my classes, there were all girls. 98 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,280 Just because you worked the schedule into the... 99 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,280 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE There you go. 100 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,440 Gates later dropped out of Harvard University 101 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,400 to achieve his dream of building a software company, 102 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,960 along with his school friend, Paul Allen. 103 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,480 Microsoft grew at an incredible pace. 104 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:37,680 Anything that was 105 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,120 an important problem to be solved using computers, 106 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,360 he wanted to have Microsoft software 107 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,280 available to solve it with, 108 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,560 and not just in the US but worldwide. 109 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,680 Every article about you always mentions you drive your car too fast 110 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,440 and you kind of live a very fast life - 111 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,200 lots of hours, stay up late, 112 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,800 used to stay up all-nighters and that kind of thing. 113 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:02,480 It's almost like a high-tech, like, Fonzie character. 114 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,200 I like coming in and seeing, you know, I've got a full day 115 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,640 of things to do and I like taking planes that fly all night 116 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,600 because then I don't waste a lot of time. 117 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:17,000 Within just a few years, Gates and Allen had built Microsoft 118 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,080 into a billion-dollar-a-year company. 119 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,520 Bill, he was very proud of his technical ability, 120 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,880 and he could be very intimidating 121 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,000 because he had recall of a lot of information. 122 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,240 Bill could be frightening if you let him. 123 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,040 He'd attack you, he'd belittle you, he'd really go at you. 124 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,520 The phrase later in Microsoft, he'd always say, 125 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,680 "That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen." 126 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,120 You'd be working on something fairly complicated. 127 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,240 Bill would decide it's simple. 128 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,600 Then he'd come at you, you know, saying, "Why isn't this done?" 129 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,080 You know, it'd be very much in your face. 130 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,560 Gates' behaviour became public after a film crew was allowed 131 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,920 into Microsoft for the first time. 132 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,520 That's ridiculous. I'm not using this thing. 133 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,840 No, no, no, no, no. Somebody's confused. 134 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,680 Somebody's just not thinking. I mean, there's no way. 135 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,440 You guys never understood. 136 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,440 You never understood the first thing about this. 137 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:26,600 That clip is part of a probably a typical Bill G review, 138 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,760 cos probably before that 139 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,320 he asked a question and he didn't like their answer, 140 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:34,800 and that sets him off. 141 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,680 Gates also developed a reputation for ruthlessness. 142 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,720 Even Paul Allen, Gates' lifelong friend and business partner, 143 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,120 wasn't spared. 144 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,840 The fallout between Paul and Bill, I was right there. 145 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,320 That was right before I left. 146 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,280 Paul was sick at that time. 147 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,240 This revealing news report was able 148 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,880 to capture the emotional fallout for Paul Allen. 149 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,560 Alan was miserable and felt he was being marginalised. 150 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,640 And then things got a lot worse. 151 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:08,440 He got cancer. 152 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,840 One night, he passed by Gates' office and overheard him talking 153 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,720 with Steve Ballmer, who'd been hired to help run the company. 154 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,000 What were they saying? 155 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,680 They were basically talking about how they were planning 156 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,400 to dilute my share down to almost nothing. 157 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:27,680 And it was really a shocking and disheartening moment for me. 158 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,040 And you were sick. 159 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,240 I think I was still probably in the middle of radiation therapy. 160 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,800 Bill was complaining that he wasn't making enough effort. 161 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,680 There can be a tendency with Bill, "What have you done for me lately?" 162 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,360 No matter how much you've done before, 163 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,920 what only counts is what you've done for me lately. 164 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,360 He was arrogant and barbaric. 165 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,040 Bill Gates believed in a world of win or lose. 166 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,640 He believed, "If I win, you have to lose." 167 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:08,800 And as a younger man, he was a killer. 168 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:20,320 Hello. 169 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:21,680 I'm Bill Gates, 170 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,960 chairman of Microsoft. 171 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,600 In this video, you're going to 172 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,320 see the future - 173 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:28,600 Windows. 174 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,440 He was all geek 175 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,800 and the public face of cheesy Microsoft adverts, 176 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,080 with the help of a catchy tune and some amateur rap. 177 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,600 # We're introducing something new 178 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,400 # It's essential for all - the many and the few 179 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,120 # It's in your store, oooh! 180 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,600 # Microsoft, that's who... # 181 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:53,000 By the early '90s, Bill Gates had turned Microsoft into a giant. 182 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,600 MUSIC: Would You...? by Touch And Go 183 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,120 # I've noticed you around 184 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,200 # Um... 185 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,080 # I find you very attractive... # 186 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,240 The man who transformed the software industry also found love... 187 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,320 # Would you go to bed with me? # 188 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,960 ..becoming engaged to Melinda French, 189 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,440 a computer scientist at Microsoft. 190 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,800 I think Bill and Melinda ended up together 191 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,880 because they complemented each other a great deal. 192 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,760 They could talk business. She is a very smart lady. 193 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,240 The happy couple, seen joyfully cutting their wedding cake, 194 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,720 would form a powerful partnership. 195 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,080 The pair captured the public imagination, 196 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,760 leading to fawning profile pieces like this. 197 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:42,560 They always looked like 198 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,440 they had a very special thing going, 199 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:45,960 you know, a level of intimacy 200 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,720 and a level of intellectual connection that just caused sparks. 201 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:54,400 39-year-old Bill Gates had settled into a new life as a married man. 202 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,480 It seemed that Bill Gates now truly had it all. 203 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,080 Bill Gates was now the richest man in the world 204 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:06,120 from selling 100 million copies of the Windows operating system. 205 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,160 But he saw emerging companies like Netscape 206 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,880 as a threat to his empire. 207 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:17,400 The competition was so intense. All these new upstarts coming in. 208 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:23,160 It increased the sense of dog-eat-dog, winner-take-all world. 209 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,080 Bill Gates' reputation certainly was as a ruthless competitor. 210 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,520 You never wanted to go against the behemoth 211 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:34,880 because they would crush you. 212 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:44,320 Bill Gates was seen by his peers and in the industry...as... 213 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,640 ..an entitled, arrogant geek. 214 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:51,040 No matter how successful he was, 215 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,160 he could not bear to see someone else 216 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,960 doing something better than him. 217 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,600 I was tipped off. 218 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,840 I was sent to Las Vegas, to this big computer conference. 219 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,000 I was interviewing a senior executive in the industry 220 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,920 who didn't want to be seen talking to a member of the press. 221 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,720 So he asked me to meet with him in the parking lot, 222 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,160 off the record. 223 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:31,080 And said to me, "You should look into the Federal Trade Commission's 224 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,040 "secret investigation of Gates and Microsoft 225 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,720 "and all the illegal practices they're using 226 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,480 "to tie up the entire industry." 227 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:48,720 The feds were on Gates' tail for lots of illegal practices 228 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,680 and market manipulation, leveraging market power and so forth. 229 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:01,840 And it snowballed into this enormous story 230 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,360 with lots of people who are so afraid of saying anything bad 231 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,800 about Gates that they still won't go on the record about it. 232 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,320 What are people afraid of? 233 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:13,760 People are afraid of... 234 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,440 ..of Gates' power and endless resources to... 235 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:19,960 ..destroy them. 236 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,600 It turned out that Gates had been threatening companies 237 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,800 who use Netscape instead of Microsoft's Internet Explorer. 238 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,200 If you were a computer manufacturer, 239 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,560 you had to take his operating system, 240 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,360 and it's going to coerce you to drop the Netscape browser 241 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,440 and take our free browser, Internet Explorer, instead. 242 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,240 He was out to kill anyone who didn't cooperate with him. 243 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,920 His critics in the press were also brought to heel. 244 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,360 He was seen as a draconian leader 245 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,920 and someone who would try 246 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,160 to make sure that he controlled the media narrative 247 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,320 surrounding his business practices. 248 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,240 I was writing for many newspapers and magazines. 249 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,080 By the time the book came out, it got so much attention. 250 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:20,200 Gates was obsessively stating my name all over the world 251 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,320 to journalists and editors who then called me, saying, 252 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,000 "He's obsessed that you have inside information. 253 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,600 "He's telling everyone, 254 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,760 " 'Never publish a word that Wendy Goldman Rohm writes.' " 255 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,040 I started feeling, "Is this worth it?" 256 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,440 Wendy Goldman Rohm claims she was then targeted 257 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,400 by anonymous supporters of Gates. 258 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,800 I would get threatening phone calls 259 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,600 and a voice on the other lines, whispering, 260 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,560 "Wendy, we're going to get you," and then hanging up. 261 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,800 I remember being very paranoid 262 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,240 everything I was doing was being watched 263 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,120 and wondering, was I being followed? 264 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,080 And then someone in the industry suggested 265 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,440 I have my phone lines swept for bugs, and I did... 266 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,680 ..and they were bugged. 267 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,440 Of course, you can't prove who did it, right? 268 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,400 I have never been so stressed in my life. 269 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,760 After eight years investigating 270 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,960 Bill Gates and Microsoft's monopolistic behaviour, 271 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,520 the US government finally took action. 272 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,400 The Justice Department has charged Microsoft with engaging 273 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,920 in anti-competitive and exclusionary practices designed to maintain 274 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,760 its monopoly in personal computer operating systems. 275 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,480 INDISTINCT 276 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,840 It wasn't OJ Simpson, but it was close. 277 00:16:58,880 --> 00:16:59,960 It was astonishing. 278 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,960 It was the most carefully watched technology trial of the century. 279 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,160 The main attraction was Gates's evidence, 280 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,920 given in a three-day-long deposition 281 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,880 when questioned by star prosecutor David Boies. 282 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:21,360 This is a message from you and you type in here, 283 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,960 "Importance: High." 284 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,400 No. No? 285 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,880 No, I didn't type that. 286 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,520 Um... 287 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,560 Who typed in "high"? 288 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:38,200 A computer. A computer. 289 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:41,720 Bill Gates went into the deposition 290 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,320 incredibly annoyed with the whole process. 291 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:49,160 He thought that the government had no right to go after him. 292 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:55,400 And then I don't think he, you know, had much respect 293 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,440 for people within the process. 294 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,680 It's weird that you're repeating this exhibit 295 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,440 without the disclosures for the email. 296 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,840 It's very misleading to have the version of the document... 297 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,640 You had the real exhibit earlier. Did you lose it? 298 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,920 First... I can explain what you're confused about. 299 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,600 I'm not confused, Mr Gates. 300 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,840 To see him in this, you know, 301 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:20,280 really ugly context, behaving in a really childish-like way 302 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,080 shocked a lot of people. They were like, "Wow, 303 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:25,880 "how can you be so smart and so stupid at the same time?" 304 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,960 The judge took a dim view of Gates's disastrous deposition, 305 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,120 and, after a bruising trial, his reputation was in tatters. 306 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:44,360 I'm pleased to say that the court unanimously found that Microsoft 307 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:50,600 engaged in unlawful conduct to maintain its dominant position 308 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,080 in the computer operating systems. 309 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,720 Bill Gates took it badly, actually, 310 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,920 and very personally 311 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,240 and was not doing well, 312 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,280 felt like he'd been wrongfully attacked 313 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,280 or, you know... 314 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,920 ..that the whole world was against him. 315 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,440 Just how much Gates had become an object of public ridicule 316 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,880 was captured by this shocking news footage. 317 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,400 ..meeting with community leaders. 318 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,520 Watch what happens when a team of hit men meet him first 319 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,120 with a pie in the face. 320 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,120 It's not like he's a tobacco executive 321 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,640 who has been shown to be trying to kill people. 322 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,120 No, he's trying to sell more Windows operating systems. 323 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,480 Gates was in need of an image change. 324 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,160 He stepped down as Microsoft CEO in 2000 325 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,280 to start a significant new chapter as a philanthropist. 326 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,240 I had a chance to help with the vaccination 327 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,960 of several of the children, and it was very gratifying to see. 328 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,600 Through the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, 329 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,480 he spent billions funding vaccines and fighting everything 330 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,560 from poverty to climate change. 331 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,840 Some said you could say he buys his way out of the reputation 332 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,600 of this evil genius tech guy. 333 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,240 And thank God he did. 334 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,680 I mean, how many people are alive because he did? 335 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:29,840 When you go around and see people in Africa who are starving 336 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,600 or don't have access to clean water, 337 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,800 and you think about how to solve that problem, 338 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,840 you become a bigger person. 339 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,640 I don't think it's me that's humanised him, 340 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,800 but I don't think that you can be out in the developing world 341 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,800 and not be touched by what you've seen. 342 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,560 And Bill travels extensively. 343 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,160 We travel together and alone to the developing world, 344 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,480 and I think you come back changed and touched by that. 345 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,440 And I think that's part of what you're seeing. 346 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,360 With ¤65 billion spent since he launched the foundation, 347 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,120 everyone now wanted a piece of Bill Gates. 348 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,000 There does seem to be this idea of 349 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,560 Bill Gates at Microsoft was this cold-hearted, cunning, 350 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,240 calculating, brash bully, 351 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,640 whereas Bill Gates at the Gates Foundation is generous, 352 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,400 he's kind-hearted, he's warm-hearted, he's a humanitarian. 353 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,240 But I think it's important to understand that the Gates Foundation 354 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,600 isn't an innocent cheque-writing charity. 355 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,960 Bill Gates is a complicated person. 356 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,720 I think with the Gates Foundation, 357 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:47,480 Bill very deliberately wanted to fix his terrible reputation. 358 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,720 It was definitely a very successful move 359 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,000 in terms of changing how people saw him. 360 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,520 However, I'm absolutely certain that the person in the '90s... 361 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,320 ..is the same person that Bill Gates is today. 362 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,920 While Gates led the foundation, 363 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,560 he remained at Microsoft as chairman until 2014. 364 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,680 Maria Klawe is speaking on camera about his behaviour 365 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,080 for the first time. 366 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,720 I remember walking into my first board meeting. 367 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,000 There were about ten people around the table. 368 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,880 There were only two women. 369 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,280 It was a presentation on the succession 370 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,080 for the people who might succeed the CEO. 371 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,400 There were 50 people on the list. 372 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,760 They were all male. 373 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,240 When I commented that there were no women on the list 374 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,320 and there were only two people of colour in there, 375 00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:53,840 that's when he yelled at me, 376 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,480 "Are you trying to... fucking destroy this company?" 377 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,880 And I was like, "What? 378 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:01,240 "Did that really happen?" 379 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:10,160 What he meant by that was it was so obvious that there were no women 380 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,960 who might be capable of doing something like that, 381 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,720 and that anyone who thought that a woman could play a leadership role 382 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,080 was clearly an idiot. 383 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,280 Why would I even ask the question? 384 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,880 He thought it was particularly appropriate 385 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,120 to denigrate me in front of everybody else. 386 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,840 It makes me feel like my experiences with Bill Gates 387 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,560 as somebody who was very dismissive towards women, 388 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,240 that that's just simply who he is. 389 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,280 Under Gates's chairmanship, 390 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,520 just 17% of Microsoft's workforce were women. 391 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,480 There's the person he projects as the... 392 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,200 ..leader he wants to be seen as, 393 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,720 helping make the world a better place. 394 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,880 And then in his day-to-day interactions, 395 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,000 he treats women without respect. 396 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:11,080 He's living a double life. 397 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,920 Gates has been leading a double life for decades. 398 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,080 The '80s and '90s saw allegations of womanising, 399 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:26,920 weekends away with his mistress and pool parties with strippers. 400 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,680 He had his favourite women who he sometimes would bring 401 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,960 to meetings with him, especially when he was travelling abroad. 402 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,440 This goes on in business all the time 403 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,680 and with the most powerful... 404 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,200 ..men, since time immemorial. 405 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,040 It's well documented in the press. 406 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,720 He appreciates beautiful, young women. 407 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:57,080 Gates' conflicted attitude to women came to the fore in 2019 408 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,840 when his relationship to a notorious paedophile was revealed. 409 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,200 Bill Gates began meeting with Jeffrey Epstein in 2011, 410 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,920 which was years after 411 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,840 his sex offence conviction. 412 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,800 I think a reasonable person would see that it would be a liability 413 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,680 for Bill Gates to consort with somebody like that. 414 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,320 But he chose to do so. 415 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,560 His relationship with Epstein 416 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,480 also led to Melinda Gates filing for divorce. 417 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,640 She shocked the world by doing this tell-all interview, 418 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,640 making clear her reasons. 419 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,560 It was many things, 420 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,960 but I did not like that he'd had meetings with Jeffrey Epstein. No. 421 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,200 I made that clear to him. 422 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,600 I also met Jeffrey Epstein. Did you? Exactly one time. 423 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,880 Did you? He was abhorrent. 424 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,520 He was evil personified. 425 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,520 I had nightmares about it afterwards. 426 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,040 I thought it was an incredibly revealing and surprising interview. 427 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,320 She didn't shy away from answering questions. 428 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,000 Allegations surfaced that Gates had had affairs 429 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,280 with employees at Microsoft. 430 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,720 Bill, we have so much to catch up on. It's good to see you. 431 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,200 Good morning. Good to see you. Well, I think this is the... 432 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,360 But he glossed over the details in a soft media interview 433 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,000 designed to promote his book about Covid. 434 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,960 Were you unfaithful in your marriage? Yes. 435 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,960 I caused pain. 436 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,280 And I...I feel terrible about that. 437 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,520 I don't think delving into the particulars at this point 438 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:29,960 is constructive. 439 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,560 The definition of what they call... 440 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,800 Gates was also given a platform to be seemingly contrite 441 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,280 about his relationship with Epstein. 442 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,320 I certainly made a huge mistake. 443 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:44,200 I didn't realise that meeting with him 444 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,880 almost downplayed the incredibly awful things he did. 445 00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:54,920 Despite the divorce and ensuing scandal, 446 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,560 Bill and Melinda Gates continue to run their foundation together. 447 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,360 What was stunning to me is that the news media 448 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,760 took such a vigorous look at the misconduct allegations 449 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,560 and the relationship with Epstein. 450 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,280 But we also needed to get to a place 451 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,400 where journalists scrutinised the Gates Foundation, 452 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,080 which is not the innocent humanitarian organisation 453 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:17,920 that we've been led to believe it is. 454 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,880 Almost all of the Gates Foundation's work 455 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,160 is directed at poor black and brown people. 456 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,560 But most of the money it gives out, it doesn't go to Africa, 457 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,760 as the marketing message would suggest. 458 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,600 It's going to organisations in wealthy nations. 459 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,440 United States, United Kingdom, Switzerland. 460 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:46,200 Nearly 90% of Gates's funding goes to Western institutions 461 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,000 like Oxford and Harvard, who work on international development, 462 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,400 and to corporations like MasterCard. 463 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,640 The Gates Foundation is giving money to large pharmaceutical companies 464 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,120 like Pfizer and GSK and Merck. 465 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,200 Any fancy institution anywhere in the world, 466 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,760 they're probably getting funding from the Gates Foundation, 467 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,640 and that's part and parcel of how it builds its network of power, 468 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,600 by creating financial links to powerful, influential institutions. 469 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:20,280 I mean, money talks. 470 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,280 He has more power than entire countries. 471 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,000 But he doesn't have journalists going after him 472 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,400 because he funds so many of them. 473 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,960 Bill Gates has given over ¤300 million 474 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,160 to some of the world's leading newspapers and broadcasters 475 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,800 to cover health and development issues. 476 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,280 When the Gates Foundation gives money to a newsroom, 477 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,000 it doesn't simply cut them a cheque. 478 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,000 They're trying to buy influence over the news reporters. 479 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,200 One area that has, until now, been underreported 480 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,240 is Gates's financial affairs. 481 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,000 Bill Gates is definitely giving away money, 482 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,440 but he's not as generous as people think. 483 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,280 About 50 cents of every dollar he donates to the foundation 484 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,000 would otherwise go to taxes. 485 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,280 So Bill Gates gets a real public benefit running this foundation 486 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,560 in terms of billions of dollars in tax subsidies. 487 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,880 Much of the Gates Foundation's money 488 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,520 is generated through little-known commercial investments, 489 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,520 seemingly at odds with its charitable aims. 490 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:38,680 Bill Gates is the largest private farmland owner in the United States. 491 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,560 He owned a massive farm that just produces acres of potatoes 492 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,440 which produce McDonald's French fries. 493 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,280 The Gates Foundation has had investments in tobacco, 494 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,760 in arms manufacturers, in fast food, in private prisons. 495 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,560 It's all a dollar and cents argument. 496 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,320 It's about making money. 497 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:08,400 You might say, "Isn't this good, that he is investing all this money 498 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,880 "and curing disease all over the world?" 499 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,280 But his... It's philanthro-capitalism. 500 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,400 That is... 501 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,240 ..it's in his own best interest in maintaining power. 502 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,240 Bill Gates has built one of 503 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,080 the biggest charitable foundations in the world, 504 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,360 that affects the health care of billions of people. 505 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,000 At one stage, the Gates Foundation 506 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,840 was the second largest funder of the World Health Organization, 507 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,360 after the US government. 508 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,040 He who pays the piper gets to call the tune. 509 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,520 And in this case, was Gates actually getting to call the tune 510 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,840 at a major United Nations organisation? 511 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,920 I remember the time Bill Gates walks to the World Health Assembly, 512 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,880 which is the highest, if you like, 513 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,360 health cabinet of the world. 514 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,760 And I was just stunned with the reception he got. 515 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,440 These people, they know about health care in their countries, 516 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,000 and here's Bill Gates lecturing them. 517 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,200 He's received like, you know, 518 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,600 like what he is now - the tsar of global health. 519 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,520 People almost bow to him. 520 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,960 Bill Gates is a college dropout. He has no medical training. 521 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,360 I don't think we could say that Bill Gates is particularly 522 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,000 well qualified to have such an influential role over public health. 523 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,800 Bill Gates has seen his personal wealth increase by ¤41 billion 524 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,080 since becoming a philanthropist. 525 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,120 He built this extremely powerful, monopolistic company, Microsoft, 526 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,080 and then he became almost an equally influential person 527 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,440 in this second chapter. 528 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,160 That same Bill Gates from Microsoft is now at the Gates Foundation. 529 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,760 They aren't two separate men. They are the same man. 530 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,960 This is the eastern part of Kenya. 531 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,280 It's a semi-arid region. 532 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,240 The bulk of the population are smallholder farmers. 533 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,360 There's a lot of maize being planted in the area. 534 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:35,840 We have the citrus, we have the beans, passion fruit, 535 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,640 an indigenous type of mangoes. 536 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,080 The Gates Foundation has spent nearly ¤6 billion 537 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,960 funding agricultural projects across Africa. 538 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,120 As a Kenyan, I understand the challenges facing my continent. 539 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,640 Africa has 330 million smallholder farmers. 540 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,120 Many of them have not gone to school, 541 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,640 many of them are elderly, 542 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,040 so this creates a conducive environment 543 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,560 to perpetuate the agenda of Bill Gates. 544 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,720 Gates has funded a controversial farming modernisation scheme 545 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,120 that critics say is against the will of many African farmers. 546 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,400 Known as Agra, 547 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,600 it advocates using fertilisers and genetically modified seeds 548 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,360 to boost food production in poor countries. 549 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,640 But it has not even come close to meeting those goals 550 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,960 and what it has done instead, 551 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:55,080 it has increased the ability of foreign agribusiness corporations 552 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,320 to access African markets. 553 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,120 Gates supports the sale of seeds and chemicals 554 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,560 made by multinational companies, leading to criticism 555 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,240 that he's prioritising corporate interests. 556 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,600 They are clearly oppressing the small-scale farmer 557 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,120 for the benefit of the big companies. 558 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,640 The small-scale farmer should be asked for his opinion. 559 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,680 We are talking about power of food production 560 00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:30,120 in the hands of multinational corporations, 561 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,640 and to them, the main interest is to make profit and to make money. 562 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,760 The Bill Gates Foundation, of course, it's not philanthropy, 563 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,440 it's actually business. 564 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,320 But in this glossy corporate video, 565 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:48,040 Bill Gates insists that GM seeds will save Africa, 566 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,600 entertaining the crowd with his vision. 567 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:10,080 The corporations owning the seeds 568 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,320 make money by patenting the technology. 569 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,080 Farmers must buy the GM seeds every year or the seeds won't work. 570 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,760 The way that the seeds work is that they become less efficacious 571 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,680 after, like, a growing season. 572 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,800 People have to kind of be locked into those cycles of buying seeds. 573 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,400 Bill Gates advocates that impoverished farmers 574 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,040 buy seeds on credit, 575 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,560 despite similar schemes proving catastrophic in countries like India. 576 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:53,520 They are given this kind of loan in the form of inputs and seeds, 577 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,160 and then they have to repay that loan in cash. 578 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,760 This creates a sense of desperation among many farmers 579 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,920 who are in this kind of cyclical process 580 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,840 of trying to maintain their farm. 581 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:13,800 When you introduce massive amounts of debt on farmers 582 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,360 that can't be repaid, it can lead to suicide 583 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,160 and other kinds of social issues and breakdowns. 584 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,200 Going back to this kind of idea 585 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:29,200 that the Gates Foundation is helping solve poverty, 586 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:31,920 that kind of thing is how you actually deepen poverty. 587 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,600 The Bill Gates Foundation is actually making Africans imagine 588 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,480 that they are modernised but, in reality, 589 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,320 they are moving closer to the grave. 590 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,240 There are strong parallels between what the Gates Foundation 591 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,480 is doing now and neocolonialism. 592 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,480 Somehow, a white man from Seattle, Washington 593 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,160 knows more about African agriculture than African farmers themselves. 594 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:04,600 It always amazes me how arrogant some men can be, 595 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,640 and it's particularly true 596 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,160 for men of wealth. 597 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,040 Bill Gates thinks of himself 598 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,960 as the most intelligent, talented person in the world. 599 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:23,040 And he thinks that he can get up to speed on anything. 600 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,560 The truth of the matter is there's a lot that he doesn't know. 601 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,160 Controversy has followed Gates across Africa. 602 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,000 His response to the Covid pandemic has led to particular criticism 603 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,600 by health insiders. 604 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,520 Bill Gates' heart is in the right place. 605 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,840 I think he genuinely wants to solve society's biggest problems. 606 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,120 When the pandemic started, all hell broke loose. 607 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,320 I knew that if I got Covid, I'd probably die. 608 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,880 It was terrifying. 609 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,120 The sense of trying to get a vaccine and not being able to get one... 610 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,800 ..I was going crazy. 611 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,160 I'm Catherine Kyobutungi and I'm the executive director 612 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,640 of the African Population and Health Research Center, 613 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,200 based in Nairobi, Kenya. 614 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,920 The Gates Foundation is one of our top ten funders. 615 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,040 They are a critical player in the region. 616 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:33,680 Gates was the chief architect of Covax, a scheme used by 172 countries 617 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:36,680 with ambitious targets to source Covid vaccines 618 00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,360 for billions of the poorest people on Earth. 619 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,160 There was one obvious source. 620 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,320 The University of Oxford, 621 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,200 who invented the British vaccine, 622 00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,400 initially said they wanted it to be patent-free. 623 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,240 They believed it should be a vaccine for anybody in the world 624 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,480 who was able to make it and able to produce it. 625 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,320 There was then a negotiation 626 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,600 which Bill Gates's Foundation got involved in 627 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,480 and, when that negotiation had finished, 628 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,280 it turned out that the vaccine knowledge 629 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,480 had actually been handed over to AstraZeneca, 630 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,680 and they were suddenly in charge of who could buy it, 631 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:11,240 of who could produce it, of who ultimately got it. 632 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,520 The Gates Foundation denies that they forced that decision, 633 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,520 but it's been reported in much of the press that they did. 634 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,480 Gates supported an exclusive deal between Covax 635 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,000 and pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca. 636 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,880 Bill Gates has personal relationships with the CEOs 637 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,560 of big drug and vaccine companies. 638 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,200 He was just trying to protect big drug companies. 639 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,760 He does everything to keep the monopoly on knowledge 640 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,040 and on the product 641 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,480 in the hands of these... of these companies. 642 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,800 Gates has had major investments in pharmaceutical companies. 643 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,560 He defends their rights to Covid vaccines 644 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,280 in confident media appearances like this. 645 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,840 The thing that's holding things back in this case 646 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,320 is not intellectual property. 647 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,760 There's not, like, some idle vaccine factory 648 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,600 with regulatory approval that makes magically safe vaccines. 649 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,480 You know, you've got to do the trials on these things. 650 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,640 I do a regular phone call with the pharmaceutical CEOs 651 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,080 to make sure that work is going at full speed. 652 00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,560 Bill Gates regularly said, "Look, we have to depend upon 653 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,240 "the big pharmaceutical companies because they're the only ones 654 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,920 "that could actually manufacture these vaccines in bulk." 655 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,440 What Bill Gates repeatedly said isn't true and, unfortunately, 656 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,200 the fact he said it convinced many people that it was true 657 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,760 because that's an example of the power and influence that he's got. 658 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,640 It transpired that over a billion AstraZeneca vaccines 659 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:49,240 earmarked for Covax were to be made in just one factory in India. 660 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:56,920 By what logic would anybody think that one company would provide 661 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,400 for the whole of Africa, let alone the rest of developing countries? 662 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:14,040 Covax was touted as the - THE - solution. 663 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,520 Not A solution - THE solution. 664 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:23,560 In 2021, Covax had produced just a fraction of what was promised 665 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,400 to the poorest countries on Earth. 666 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,480 It was really scandalous. 667 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,440 In country after country after country, 668 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,520 absolute horror scenes of bodies piling up. 669 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,600 The loss of life as a result of the fact 670 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,560 that, while we here in the West were getting our third and fourth doses, 671 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,520 front-line health workers and the most vulnerable people in society 672 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,200 in many countries around the world had not been vaccinated. 673 00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:48,240 They'd had nothing. 674 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:52,680 While vaccine distribution later improved, 675 00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,800 in 2021, Covax was a failure. 676 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:02,040 Insiders like Catherine Kyobutungi are speaking out for the first time, 677 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,880 blaming Bill Gates's refusal to support vaccine patent waivers. 678 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,720 That was the worst thing he did in the pandemic. 679 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,760 In spite of all the havoc that the pandemic wreaked, 680 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,960 people were still intent on maintaining the status quo 681 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,040 when it came to power because that is going to restabilise... 682 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,000 ..I don't know, maybe shareholder value or something. 683 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,840 But, yeah, you can have a system where people think 684 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,400 that maintaining your economic power 685 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,800 is much more important than the lives of billions of people. 686 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,240 Um... 687 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,680 Yeah, I don't know. 688 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,360 I think for me, it was the worst thing that he could have done. 689 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,080 Bill Gates was in a position, more than any other individual 690 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,200 or any other institution outside of a government, 691 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:51,240 to have pushed things in the right direction, 692 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,840 but on the contrary, he pushed it in exactly the wrong direction. 693 00:42:54,880 --> 00:43:00,800 And so he deserves a lot of blame cos he had a lot of power. 694 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,800 Who elected Gates to be the global health tsar? 695 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,200 Who gave him this permission to effect or at least constrain 696 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,240 the decision-making of domestic national governments? 697 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,840 No-one gave him that permission. He took it himself. 698 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:23,440 He hands himself so much power and influence over societies 699 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,040 that he doesn't live in, that he doesn't come from, 700 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,200 that he is, in effect, having a huge amount of influence 701 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:31,320 over the way that those countries develop. 702 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,400 You have this unelected billionaire in Seattle 703 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,400 with his hands on the levers 704 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,960 for how we feed poor people, how we grow food, 705 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,480 how they access medicine. 706 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,920 And with Gates spending billions on health, poverty and agriculture, 707 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,800 there is a culture of silence across those sectors. 708 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,960 If you irritated or annoyed the Gates Foundation, 709 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,440 the money might dry up. 710 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:04,160 Maybe we just need to, in essence, let him do whatever he wants 711 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,640 and then not risk currying his displeasure 712 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,720 because what if he tries to silence you or other people? 713 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,000 I've had people ask me to wear a mask and a hat to meetings. 714 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,640 I've had people who have said, 715 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,640 "How do you know you weren't followed?" 716 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,400 It's a strange thing, I think, for people who see the Gates Foundation 717 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,880 as this great humanitarian organisation to understand 718 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,440 the culture of fear that really engulfs the foundation. 719 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,720 The fear was enough to lead people to be reluctant to speak up, 720 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,400 but we did it, many of us, 721 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,200 with some fear over our own professional futures. 722 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,280 Catherine Kyobutungi is one of the only people in the world 723 00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,080 who receives Gates's funding who's willing to criticise him publicly. 724 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,800 Speaking out against the foundation 725 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:09,160 and maybe speaking out, being critical of Bill Gates, 726 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,040 of course, it could have repercussions, 727 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,920 but I honestly feel liberated 728 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:18,000 and I feel liberated to speak truth to power, 729 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,160 I feel liberated to speak for Africans. 730 00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:24,160 I don't set out to speak about the Gates Foundation 731 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,760 and their role in enhancing global health inequity, 732 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,680 but I turned 50 this year and I asked myself, 733 00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:33,960 "If I don't advocate when I'm 50... 734 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,000 "..when will I advocate? "When I'm 75? When I'm 65? 735 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,000 "If it's not me, then who?" 736 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,360 Many people have something to lose. 737 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,760 I was not afraid of what would happen if I spoke out. 738 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,080 I just decided it was time to actually be willing 739 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,480 to talk about the person he really is. 740 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:10,240 I'm 71 years old and I'm at that stage of my career where... 741 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,120 ..I'm not afraid at all. 742 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,800 I don't think it's fair to say that he's a supervillain, 743 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,520 but what's happened is we've made him into a kind of superhero. 744 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,040 In reality, he is a deeply flawed 745 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,480 and maybe even a deeply troubled man. 746 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,480 I think it's a mistake to underestimate what he's capable of. 747 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,880 Subtitles by Red Bee Media 63106

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