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APPLAUSE
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The Global Fund is one of the best
and kindest things
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people have ever done
for one another.
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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Bill Gates became an icon.
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He's a brilliant man.
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And when he sees kids
in Third World countries dying,
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he's thinking about how he could use
his wealth to solve problems.
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Our foundation announced
a ¤500 million grant
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to the Global Fund.
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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It's hard not to celebrate him
and say, "This is pretty amazing."
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But he's not a warm, cuddly guy.
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It's all business.
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Bill Gates is a complicated person.
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Bill Gates at Microsoft
was this cold-hearted bully.
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Whereas Bill Gates at the Gates
Foundation is widely celebrated
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because of billions of dollars
he's given away.
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But it's not the innocent
humanitarian organisation
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that we've been
led to believe it is.
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It was really scandalous.
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Country after country, absolute
horror scenes of bodies piling up.
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Something went seriously wrong
with Covid-vaccine production.
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He has more power
than entire countries.
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Competitors were afraid of Gates'
endless resources to destroy them.
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Speaking out against Bill Gates,
it could have repercussions.
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But I just decided it was time to
talk about the person he really is.
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Insiders have never been brave
enough to speak publicly...
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..until now.
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I have a PhD in mathematics,
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I am the recipient of
21 honorary doctorates,
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and I was chosen by Fortune
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to be number 17
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on their list of the
50 greatest leaders in the world.
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My daughter, she says,
"Mum, you beat Angelina Jolie."
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And I said, "But I lost out
to the Dalai Lama!"
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My name is Maria Klawe.
I'm a computer scientist,
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and I served on the Microsoft board
from 2009 to 2015.
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I didn't really know Bill Gates
before I joined the Microsoft board,
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and I really thought of him
as...as, yes,
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being a champion for helping people
in the world that needed help.
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Are we going to ask you
to support another campaign
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about empowering women and girls?
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Absolutely.
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Because if everyone in the world
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thought of themselves
as global citizens,
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it would help make sure
that women and girls
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receive the education, opportunity
and respect they deserve.
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Only global citizens
can make global change.
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If we can all think of ourselves
as global citizens...
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..girls and women will be supported
throughout the world.
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INTERVIEWER: What do you make of him
saying that?
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He's a jerk.
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The work that the Gates Foundation
has done,
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it's supporting poor women in Africa
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and in many other parts
of the world.
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It's obvious to me that
that's not a priority for him.
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But he's willing to be videotaped
saying it's a priority for him.
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I went up to Bill at a board meeting
and said,
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"I'm thinking about diversity
in STEM."
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Science, Technology,
Engineering and Mathematics.
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And he just said straight out,
"I'm not interested in diversity."
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Maria Klawe has never before
spoken out
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about Gates' attitudes to diversity.
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This is someone who...
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..has set out to achieve things
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that are clearly at odds
with his personal beliefs.
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Bill Gates has spent decades
devoted to philanthropy.
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He's pledged over ¤100 billion
of his own money,
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made through commercial ventures
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and as founder of software giant
Microsoft.
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Raised in Seattle,
he was born into privilege.
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He lived in
a very nice neighbourhood.
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His father,
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head of a large legal firm.
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They had plenty of wealth.
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And Bill learned from
the best schools in the country.
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I met Bill Gates in high school.
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He was quite nerdy,
quite opinionated.
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I don't think he was very popular.
I don't recall him
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having a girlfriend in high school,
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but I could be wrong.
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Being friends with Bill Gates
had a lot to do with computers.
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There were ten of us
that were really nerdy.
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So there was Bill Gates,
Paul Allen, me...
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We were all self-taught.
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Gates used his technical gifts
to advance his high school status,
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as he playfully acknowledged
as an older man
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who'd become the toast of showbiz.
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You were so far ahead of people
in your high school class
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with knowledge of computers that
the school hired you, didn't they?
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That's right.
I did the school scheduling.
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It was a very nice position
to be in.
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LAUGHTER
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And how did you make that
work to your advantage?
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Well, we...we had
80% boys and 20% girls.
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But in my classes,
there were all girls.
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Just because you worked
the schedule into the...
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
There you go.
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Gates later dropped out
of Harvard University
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to achieve his dream of
building a software company,
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along with his school friend,
Paul Allen.
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Microsoft grew at
an incredible pace.
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Anything that was
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an important problem
to be solved using computers,
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he wanted to have Microsoft software
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available to solve it with,
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and not just in the US
but worldwide.
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Every article about you always
mentions you drive your car too fast
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and you kind of live
a very fast life -
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lots of hours, stay up late,
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used to stay up all-nighters
and that kind of thing.
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It's almost like a high-tech,
like, Fonzie character.
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I like coming in and seeing,
you know, I've got a full day
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of things to do and I like
taking planes that fly all night
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because then I don't
waste a lot of time.
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Within just a few years,
Gates and Allen had built Microsoft
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into
a billion-dollar-a-year company.
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Bill, he was very proud
of his technical ability,
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and he could be very intimidating
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because he had recall
of a lot of information.
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Bill could be frightening
if you let him.
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He'd attack you, he'd belittle you,
he'd really go at you.
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The phrase later in Microsoft,
he'd always say,
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"That's the stupidest thing
I've ever seen."
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You'd be working on something
fairly complicated.
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Bill would decide it's simple.
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Then he'd come at you, you know,
saying, "Why isn't this done?"
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You know,
it'd be very much in your face.
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Gates' behaviour became public
after a film crew was allowed
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into Microsoft for the first time.
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That's ridiculous.
I'm not using this thing.
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No, no, no, no, no.
Somebody's confused.
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Somebody's just not thinking.
I mean, there's no way.
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You guys never understood.
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You never understood
the first thing about this.
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That clip is part of a probably
a typical Bill G review,
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cos probably before that
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he asked a question
and he didn't like their answer,
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and that sets him off.
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Gates also developed
a reputation for ruthlessness.
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Even Paul Allen, Gates' lifelong
friend and business partner,
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wasn't spared.
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The fallout between Paul and Bill,
I was right there.
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That was right before I left.
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Paul was sick at that time.
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This revealing news report was able
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to capture the emotional fallout
for Paul Allen.
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Alan was miserable and felt
he was being marginalised.
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And then things got a lot worse.
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He got cancer.
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One night, he passed by Gates'
office and overheard him talking
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with Steve Ballmer, who'd been
hired to help run the company.
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What were they saying?
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They were basically talking
about how they were planning
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to dilute my share
down to almost nothing.
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And it was really a shocking
and disheartening moment for me.
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And you were sick.
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I think I was still probably
in the middle of radiation therapy.
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Bill was complaining that
he wasn't making enough effort.
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There can be a tendency with Bill,
"What have you done for me lately?"
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No matter how much
you've done before,
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what only counts
is what you've done for me lately.
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He was arrogant and barbaric.
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Bill Gates believed in
a world of win or lose.
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He believed,
"If I win, you have to lose."
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And as a younger man,
he was a killer.
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Hello.
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I'm Bill Gates,
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chairman of Microsoft.
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In this video, you're going to
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see the future -
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Windows.
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He was all geek
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and the public face of
cheesy Microsoft adverts,
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with the help of a catchy tune
and some amateur rap.
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# We're introducing something new
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# It's essential for all -
the many and the few
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# It's in your store, oooh!
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# Microsoft, that's who... #
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By the early '90s, Bill Gates
had turned Microsoft into a giant.
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MUSIC: Would You...?
by Touch And Go
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# I've noticed you around
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# Um...
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# I find you very attractive... #
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The man who transformed the software
industry also found love...
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# Would you go to bed with me? #
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..becoming engaged
to Melinda French,
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a computer scientist at Microsoft.
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I think Bill and Melinda
ended up together
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because they complemented
each other a great deal.
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They could talk business.
She is a very smart lady.
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The happy couple, seen joyfully
cutting their wedding cake,
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would form a powerful partnership.
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The pair captured
the public imagination,
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leading to fawning
profile pieces like this.
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They always looked like
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they had a very special thing going,
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you know, a level of intimacy
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and a level of intellectual
connection that just caused sparks.
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39-year-old Bill Gates had settled
into a new life as a married man.
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It seemed that Bill Gates
now truly had it all.
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Bill Gates was now
the richest man in the world
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from selling 100 million copies
of the Windows operating system.
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But he saw emerging companies
like Netscape
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as a threat to his empire.
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The competition was so intense.
All these new upstarts coming in.
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It increased the sense of
dog-eat-dog, winner-take-all world.
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Bill Gates' reputation certainly
was as a ruthless competitor.
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You never wanted to
go against the behemoth
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because they would crush you.
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Bill Gates was seen by his peers
and in the industry...as...
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..an entitled, arrogant geek.
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No matter how successful he was,
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he could not bear
to see someone else
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doing something better than him.
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I was tipped off.
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I was sent to Las Vegas,
to this big computer conference.
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I was interviewing
a senior executive in the industry
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who didn't want to be seen
talking to a member of the press.
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So he asked me to meet with him
in the parking lot,
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off the record.
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And said to me, "You should look
into the Federal Trade Commission's
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"secret investigation
of Gates and Microsoft
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"and all the illegal practices
they're using
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"to tie up the entire industry."
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The feds were on Gates' tail
for lots of illegal practices
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and market manipulation, leveraging
market power and so forth.
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And it snowballed
into this enormous story
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with lots of people who are
so afraid of saying anything bad
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about Gates that they still
won't go on the record about it.
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What are people afraid of?
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People are afraid of...
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..of Gates' power
and endless resources to...
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..destroy them.
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It turned out that Gates
had been threatening companies
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who use Netscape instead of
Microsoft's Internet Explorer.
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If you were a computer manufacturer,
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you had to take
his operating system,
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and it's going to coerce you
to drop the Netscape browser
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and take our free browser,
Internet Explorer, instead.
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He was out to kill anyone
who didn't cooperate with him.
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His critics in the press
were also brought to heel.
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He was seen as a draconian leader
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and someone who would try
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to make sure that
he controlled the media narrative
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surrounding his business practices.
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I was writing for many newspapers
and magazines.
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By the time the book came out,
it got so much attention.
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Gates was obsessively
stating my name all over the world
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to journalists and editors
who then called me, saying,
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"He's obsessed that you
have inside information.
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"He's telling everyone,
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" 'Never publish a word that
Wendy Goldman Rohm writes.' "
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I started feeling,
"Is this worth it?"
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Wendy Goldman Rohm claims
she was then targeted
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by anonymous supporters of Gates.
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I would get threatening phone calls
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and a voice on the other lines,
whispering,
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"Wendy, we're going to get you,"
and then hanging up.
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I remember being very paranoid
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everything I was doing
was being watched
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and wondering,
was I being followed?
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And then someone in
the industry suggested
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I have my phone lines
swept for bugs, and I did...
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..and they were bugged.
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Of course, you can't prove
who did it, right?
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I have never been
so stressed in my life.
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After eight years investigating
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Bill Gates and Microsoft's
monopolistic behaviour,
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the US government
finally took action.
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The Justice Department has
charged Microsoft with engaging
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in anti-competitive and exclusionary
practices designed to maintain
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its monopoly in personal
computer operating systems.
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INDISTINCT
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It wasn't OJ Simpson,
but it was close.
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It was astonishing.
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It was the most carefully watched
technology trial of the century.
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The main attraction
was Gates's evidence,
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given in a three-day-long deposition
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when questioned by
star prosecutor David Boies.
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This is a message from you
and you type in here,
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"Importance: High."
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No. No?
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No, I didn't type that.
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Um...
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Who typed in "high"?
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A computer. A computer.
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Bill Gates went into the deposition
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incredibly annoyed
with the whole process.
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He thought that the government
had no right to go after him.
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And then I don't think
he, you know, had much respect
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for people within the process.
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It's weird that you're repeating
this exhibit
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without the disclosures
for the email.
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It's very misleading to have
the version of the document...
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You had the real exhibit earlier.
Did you lose it?
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First... I can explain
what you're confused about.
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I'm not confused, Mr Gates.
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To see him in this, you know,
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really ugly context, behaving
in a really childish-like way
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shocked a lot of people.
They were like, "Wow,
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"how can you be so smart
and so stupid at the same time?"
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The judge took a dim view
of Gates's disastrous deposition,
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and, after a bruising trial,
his reputation was in tatters.
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I'm pleased to say that the court
unanimously found that Microsoft
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engaged in unlawful conduct
to maintain its dominant position
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in the computer operating systems.
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Bill Gates took it badly, actually,
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and very personally
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and was not doing well,
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felt like he'd been
wrongfully attacked
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or, you know...
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..that the whole world
was against him.
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Just how much Gates had become
an object of public ridicule
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was captured by
this shocking news footage.
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..meeting with community leaders.
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Watch what happens when a team
of hit men meet him first
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with a pie in the face.
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It's not like
he's a tobacco executive
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who has been shown to
be trying to kill people.
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No, he's trying to sell
more Windows operating systems.
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Gates was in need
of an image change.
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He stepped down
as Microsoft CEO in 2000
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to start a significant
new chapter as a philanthropist.
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I had a chance to help
with the vaccination
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of several of the children,
and it was very gratifying to see.
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Through the Bill and Melinda
Gates Foundation,
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he spent billions funding vaccines
and fighting everything
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from poverty to climate change.
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Some said you could say he buys
his way out of the reputation
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of this evil genius tech guy.
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And thank God he did.
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I mean, how many people are alive
because he did?
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When you go around and see
people in Africa who are starving
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or don't have access to clean water,
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and you think about
how to solve that problem,
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you become a bigger person.
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I don't think it's me
that's humanised him,
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but I don't think that you can
be out in the developing world
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and not be touched
by what you've seen.
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And Bill travels extensively.
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We travel together and alone
to the developing world,
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and I think you come back
changed and touched by that.
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And I think that's part
of what you're seeing.
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With ¤65 billion spent
since he launched the foundation,
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everyone now wanted
a piece of Bill Gates.
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There does seem to be this idea of
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Bill Gates at Microsoft
was this cold-hearted, cunning,
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calculating, brash bully,
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whereas Bill Gates at
the Gates Foundation is generous,
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he's kind-hearted, he's
warm-hearted, he's a humanitarian.
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But I think it's important to
understand that the Gates Foundation
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isn't an innocent
cheque-writing charity.
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Bill Gates is a complicated person.
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I think with the Gates Foundation,
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Bill very deliberately wanted
to fix his terrible reputation.
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It was definitely
a very successful move
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in terms of changing
how people saw him.
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However, I'm absolutely certain
that the person in the '90s...
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..is the same person
that Bill Gates is today.
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While Gates led the foundation,
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he remained at Microsoft
as chairman until 2014.
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Maria Klawe is speaking on camera
about his behaviour
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for the first time.
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I remember walking into
my first board meeting.
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There were about ten people
around the table.
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There were only two women.
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It was a presentation
on the succession
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for the people
who might succeed the CEO.
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There were 50 people on the list.
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They were all male.
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When I commented that
there were no women on the list
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and there were only two people
of colour in there,
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that's when he yelled at me,
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"Are you trying to...
fucking destroy this company?"
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And I was like, "What?
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"Did that really happen?"
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What he meant by that was it was
so obvious that there were no women
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who might be capable
of doing something like that,
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and that anyone who thought that
a woman could play a leadership role
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was clearly an idiot.
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Why would I even ask the question?
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He thought it was
particularly appropriate
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to denigrate me
in front of everybody else.
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It makes me feel like
my experiences with Bill Gates
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as somebody who was
very dismissive towards women,
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that that's just simply who he is.
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Under Gates's chairmanship,
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just 17% of Microsoft's
workforce were women.
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There's the person
he projects as the...
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..leader he wants to be seen as,
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helping make the world
a better place.
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And then in
his day-to-day interactions,
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he treats women without respect.
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He's living a double life.
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Gates has been leading
a double life for decades.
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The '80s and '90s saw
allegations of womanising,
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weekends away with his mistress
and pool parties with strippers.
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He had his favourite women
who he sometimes would bring
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to meetings with him, especially
when he was travelling abroad.
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This goes on in business
all the time
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and with the most powerful...
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..men, since time immemorial.
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It's well documented in the press.
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He appreciates
beautiful, young women.
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Gates' conflicted attitude
to women came to the fore in 2019
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when his relationship to
a notorious paedophile was revealed.
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Bill Gates began meeting
with Jeffrey Epstein in 2011,
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which was years after
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his sex offence conviction.
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I think a reasonable person would
see that it would be a liability
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for Bill Gates to consort
with somebody like that.
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But he chose to do so.
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His relationship with Epstein
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also led to Melinda Gates
filing for divorce.
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She shocked the world
by doing this tell-all interview,
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making clear her reasons.
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It was many things,
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but I did not like that he'd had
meetings with Jeffrey Epstein. No.
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I made that clear to him.
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I also met Jeffrey Epstein.
Did you? Exactly one time.
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Did you? He was abhorrent.
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He was evil personified.
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I had nightmares
about it afterwards.
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I thought it was an incredibly
revealing and surprising interview.
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She didn't shy away
from answering questions.
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Allegations surfaced
that Gates had had affairs
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with employees at Microsoft.
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Bill, we have so much to
catch up on. It's good to see you.
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Good morning. Good to see you.
Well, I think this is the...
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But he glossed over the details
in a soft media interview
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designed to promote
his book about Covid.
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Were you unfaithful
in your marriage? Yes.
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I caused pain.
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And I...I feel terrible about that.
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I don't think delving into
the particulars at this point
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is constructive.
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00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,560
The definition of what they call...
440
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Gates was also given a platform
to be seemingly contrite
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about his relationship with Epstein.
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I certainly made a huge mistake.
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I didn't realise
that meeting with him
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almost downplayed
the incredibly awful things he did.
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Despite the divorce
and ensuing scandal,
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Bill and Melinda Gates continue
to run their foundation together.
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What was stunning to me
is that the news media
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took such a vigorous look at
the misconduct allegations
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and the relationship with Epstein.
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But we also needed to get to a place
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where journalists scrutinised
the Gates Foundation,
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which is not the innocent
humanitarian organisation
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that we've been led
to believe it is.
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Almost all of the
Gates Foundation's work
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is directed at poor
black and brown people.
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But most of the money it gives out,
it doesn't go to Africa,
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as the marketing message
would suggest.
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It's going to organisations
in wealthy nations.
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United States, United Kingdom,
Switzerland.
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Nearly 90% of Gates's funding
goes to Western institutions
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like Oxford and Harvard, who
work on international development,
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00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,400
and to corporations like MasterCard.
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The Gates Foundation is giving money
to large pharmaceutical companies
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like Pfizer and GSK and Merck.
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Any fancy institution
anywhere in the world,
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they're probably getting funding
from the Gates Foundation,
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and that's part and parcel of
how it builds its network of power,
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by creating financial links to
powerful, influential institutions.
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I mean, money talks.
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He has more power
than entire countries.
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But he doesn't have
journalists going after him
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because he funds so many of them.
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Bill Gates has given
over ¤300 million
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to some of the world's
leading newspapers and broadcasters
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to cover health
and development issues.
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When the Gates Foundation
gives money to a newsroom,
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it doesn't simply cut them a cheque.
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They're trying to buy influence
over the news reporters.
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One area that has, until now,
been underreported
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is Gates's financial affairs.
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Bill Gates is definitely
giving away money,
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00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,440
but he's not as generous
as people think.
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About 50 cents of every dollar
he donates to the foundation
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00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,000
would otherwise go to taxes.
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00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,280
So Bill Gates gets a real public
benefit running this foundation
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in terms of billions of dollars
in tax subsidies.
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00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,880
Much of the Gates Foundation's money
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is generated through little-known
commercial investments,
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00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,520
seemingly at odds
with its charitable aims.
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00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:38,680
Bill Gates is the largest private
farmland owner in the United States.
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He owned a massive farm
that just produces acres of potatoes
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00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,440
which produce
McDonald's French fries.
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00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,280
The Gates Foundation
has had investments in tobacco,
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00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,760
in arms manufacturers,
in fast food, in private prisons.
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It's all a dollar and cents
argument.
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It's about making money.
497
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:08,400
You might say, "Isn't this good,
that he is investing all this money
498
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,880
"and curing disease
all over the world?"
499
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,280
But his...
It's philanthro-capitalism.
500
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,400
That is...
501
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,240
..it's in his own best interest
in maintaining power.
502
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,240
Bill Gates has built one of
503
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,080
the biggest charitable
foundations in the world,
504
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,360
that affects the health care
of billions of people.
505
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,000
At one stage, the Gates Foundation
506
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,840
was the second largest funder
of the World Health Organization,
507
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,360
after the US government.
508
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,040
He who pays the piper
gets to call the tune.
509
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,520
And in this case, was Gates
actually getting to call the tune
510
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,840
at a major United Nations
organisation?
511
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,920
I remember the time Bill Gates
walks to the World Health Assembly,
512
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,880
which is the highest, if you like,
513
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,360
health cabinet of the world.
514
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,760
And I was just stunned
with the reception he got.
515
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,440
These people, they know about
health care in their countries,
516
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,000
and here's Bill Gates
lecturing them.
517
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,200
He's received like, you know,
518
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,600
like what he is now -
the tsar of global health.
519
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,520
People almost bow to him.
520
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,960
Bill Gates is a college dropout.
He has no medical training.
521
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,360
I don't think we could say
that Bill Gates is particularly
522
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,000
well qualified to have such an
influential role over public health.
523
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,800
Bill Gates has seen his personal
wealth increase by ¤41 billion
524
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,080
since becoming a philanthropist.
525
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,120
He built this extremely powerful,
monopolistic company, Microsoft,
526
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,080
and then he became almost
an equally influential person
527
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,440
in this second chapter.
528
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,160
That same Bill Gates from Microsoft
is now at the Gates Foundation.
529
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,760
They aren't two separate men.
They are the same man.
530
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,960
This is the eastern part of Kenya.
531
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,280
It's a semi-arid region.
532
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,240
The bulk of the population
are smallholder farmers.
533
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,360
There's a lot of maize
being planted in the area.
534
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:35,840
We have the citrus,
we have the beans, passion fruit,
535
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,640
an indigenous type of mangoes.
536
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,080
The Gates Foundation
has spent nearly ¤6 billion
537
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,960
funding agricultural projects
across Africa.
538
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,120
As a Kenyan, I understand
the challenges facing my continent.
539
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,640
Africa has 330 million
smallholder farmers.
540
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,120
Many of them have
not gone to school,
541
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,640
many of them are elderly,
542
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,040
so this creates
a conducive environment
543
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,560
to perpetuate the agenda
of Bill Gates.
544
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,720
Gates has funded a controversial
farming modernisation scheme
545
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,120
that critics say is against
the will of many African farmers.
546
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,400
Known as Agra,
547
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,600
it advocates using fertilisers
and genetically modified seeds
548
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,360
to boost food production
in poor countries.
549
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,640
But it has not even come close
to meeting those goals
550
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,960
and what it has done instead,
551
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:55,080
it has increased the ability of
foreign agribusiness corporations
552
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,320
to access African markets.
553
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,120
Gates supports the sale
of seeds and chemicals
554
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,560
made by multinational companies,
leading to criticism
555
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,240
that he's prioritising
corporate interests.
556
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,600
They are clearly oppressing
the small-scale farmer
557
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,120
for the benefit
of the big companies.
558
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,640
The small-scale farmer
should be asked for his opinion.
559
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,680
We are talking about power
of food production
560
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:30,120
in the hands
of multinational corporations,
561
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,640
and to them, the main interest is
to make profit and to make money.
562
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,760
The Bill Gates Foundation,
of course, it's not philanthropy,
563
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,440
it's actually business.
564
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,320
But in this glossy corporate video,
565
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:48,040
Bill Gates insists that GM seeds
will save Africa,
566
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,600
entertaining the crowd
with his vision.
567
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:10,080
The corporations owning the seeds
568
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,320
make money
by patenting the technology.
569
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,080
Farmers must buy the GM seeds
every year or the seeds won't work.
570
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,760
The way that the seeds work is
that they become less efficacious
571
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,680
after, like, a growing season.
572
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,800
People have to kind of be locked
into those cycles of buying seeds.
573
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,400
Bill Gates advocates
that impoverished farmers
574
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,040
buy seeds on credit,
575
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,560
despite similar schemes proving
catastrophic in countries like India.
576
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:53,520
They are given this kind of loan
in the form of inputs and seeds,
577
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,160
and then they have to
repay that loan in cash.
578
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,760
This creates a sense of
desperation among many farmers
579
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,920
who are in this
kind of cyclical process
580
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,840
of trying to maintain their farm.
581
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:13,800
When you introduce
massive amounts of debt on farmers
582
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,360
that can't be repaid,
it can lead to suicide
583
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,160
and other kinds of social issues
and breakdowns.
584
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,200
Going back to this kind of idea
585
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:29,200
that the Gates Foundation
is helping solve poverty,
586
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:31,920
that kind of thing
is how you actually deepen poverty.
587
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,600
The Bill Gates Foundation
is actually making Africans imagine
588
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,480
that they are modernised
but, in reality,
589
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,320
they are moving closer
to the grave.
590
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,240
There are strong parallels
between what the Gates Foundation
591
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,480
is doing now and neocolonialism.
592
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,480
Somehow, a white man
from Seattle, Washington
593
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,160
knows more about African agriculture
than African farmers themselves.
594
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:04,600
It always amazes me how
arrogant some men can be,
595
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,640
and it's particularly true
596
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,160
for men of wealth.
597
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,040
Bill Gates thinks of himself
598
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,960
as the most intelligent,
talented person in the world.
599
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:23,040
And he thinks that he can
get up to speed on anything.
600
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,560
The truth of the matter is
there's a lot that he doesn't know.
601
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,160
Controversy has followed
Gates across Africa.
602
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,000
His response to the Covid pandemic
has led to particular criticism
603
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,600
by health insiders.
604
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,520
Bill Gates' heart
is in the right place.
605
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,840
I think he genuinely wants to
solve society's biggest problems.
606
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,120
When the pandemic started,
all hell broke loose.
607
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,320
I knew that if I got Covid,
I'd probably die.
608
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,880
It was terrifying.
609
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,120
The sense of trying to get a vaccine
and not being able to get one...
610
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,800
..I was going crazy.
611
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,160
I'm Catherine Kyobutungi
and I'm the executive director
612
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,640
of the African Population
and Health Research Center,
613
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,200
based in Nairobi, Kenya.
614
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,920
The Gates Foundation
is one of our top ten funders.
615
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,040
They are a critical player
in the region.
616
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:33,680
Gates was the chief architect of
Covax, a scheme used by 172 countries
617
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:36,680
with ambitious targets
to source Covid vaccines
618
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,360
for billions of
the poorest people on Earth.
619
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,160
There was one obvious source.
620
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,320
The University of Oxford,
621
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,200
who invented the British vaccine,
622
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,400
initially said they wanted it
to be patent-free.
623
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,240
They believed it should be
a vaccine for anybody in the world
624
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,480
who was able to make it
and able to produce it.
625
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,320
There was then a negotiation
626
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,600
which Bill Gates's Foundation
got involved in
627
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,480
and, when that negotiation
had finished,
628
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,280
it turned out that
the vaccine knowledge
629
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,480
had actually been handed
over to AstraZeneca,
630
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,680
and they were suddenly in charge
of who could buy it,
631
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:11,240
of who could produce it,
of who ultimately got it.
632
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,520
The Gates Foundation denies
that they forced that decision,
633
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,520
but it's been reported in
much of the press that they did.
634
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,480
Gates supported an exclusive deal
between Covax
635
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,000
and pharmaceutical company
AstraZeneca.
636
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,880
Bill Gates has personal
relationships with the CEOs
637
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,560
of big drug and vaccine companies.
638
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,200
He was just trying to
protect big drug companies.
639
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,760
He does everything to keep
the monopoly on knowledge
640
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,040
and on the product
641
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,480
in the hands of these...
of these companies.
642
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,800
Gates has had major investments
in pharmaceutical companies.
643
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,560
He defends their rights
to Covid vaccines
644
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,280
in confident media appearances
like this.
645
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,840
The thing that's holding things back
in this case
646
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,320
is not intellectual property.
647
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,760
There's not, like,
some idle vaccine factory
648
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,600
with regulatory approval
that makes magically safe vaccines.
649
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,480
You know, you've got to do
the trials on these things.
650
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,640
I do a regular phone call
with the pharmaceutical CEOs
651
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,080
to make sure
that work is going at full speed.
652
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,560
Bill Gates regularly said,
"Look, we have to depend upon
653
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,240
"the big pharmaceutical companies
because they're the only ones
654
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,920
"that could actually manufacture
these vaccines in bulk."
655
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,440
What Bill Gates repeatedly said
isn't true and, unfortunately,
656
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,200
the fact he said it convinced
many people that it was true
657
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,760
because that's an example of the
power and influence that he's got.
658
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,640
It transpired that over
a billion AstraZeneca vaccines
659
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:49,240
earmarked for Covax were to be made
in just one factory in India.
660
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:56,920
By what logic would anybody think
that one company would provide
661
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,400
for the whole of Africa, let alone
the rest of developing countries?
662
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:14,040
Covax was touted
as the - THE - solution.
663
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,520
Not A solution - THE solution.
664
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:23,560
In 2021, Covax had produced
just a fraction of what was promised
665
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,400
to the poorest countries on Earth.
666
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,480
It was really scandalous.
667
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,440
In country after country
after country,
668
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,520
absolute horror scenes
of bodies piling up.
669
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,600
The loss of life
as a result of the fact
670
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,560
that, while we here in the West were
getting our third and fourth doses,
671
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,520
front-line health workers and the
most vulnerable people in society
672
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,200
in many countries around the world
had not been vaccinated.
673
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:48,240
They'd had nothing.
674
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:52,680
While vaccine distribution
later improved,
675
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,800
in 2021, Covax was a failure.
676
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:02,040
Insiders like Catherine Kyobutungi
are speaking out for the first time,
677
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,880
blaming Bill Gates's refusal
to support vaccine patent waivers.
678
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,720
That was the worst thing
he did in the pandemic.
679
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,760
In spite of all the havoc
that the pandemic wreaked,
680
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,960
people were still intent on
maintaining the status quo
681
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,040
when it came to power because
that is going to restabilise...
682
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,000
..I don't know, maybe
shareholder value or something.
683
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,840
But, yeah, you can have a system
where people think
684
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,400
that maintaining your economic power
685
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,800
is much more important than
the lives of billions of people.
686
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,240
Um...
687
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,680
Yeah, I don't know.
688
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,360
I think for me, it was the worst
thing that he could have done.
689
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,080
Bill Gates was in a position,
more than any other individual
690
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,200
or any other institution
outside of a government,
691
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:51,240
to have pushed things
in the right direction,
692
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,840
but on the contrary, he pushed
it in exactly the wrong direction.
693
00:42:54,880 --> 00:43:00,800
And so he deserves a lot of blame
cos he had a lot of power.
694
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,800
Who elected Gates
to be the global health tsar?
695
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,200
Who gave him this permission
to effect or at least constrain
696
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,240
the decision-making
of domestic national governments?
697
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,840
No-one gave him that permission.
He took it himself.
698
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:23,440
He hands himself so much power
and influence over societies
699
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,040
that he doesn't live in,
that he doesn't come from,
700
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,200
that he is, in effect,
having a huge amount of influence
701
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:31,320
over the way
that those countries develop.
702
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,400
You have this unelected billionaire
in Seattle
703
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,400
with his hands on the levers
704
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,960
for how we feed poor people,
how we grow food,
705
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,480
how they access medicine.
706
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,920
And with Gates spending billions
on health, poverty and agriculture,
707
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,800
there is a culture of silence
across those sectors.
708
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,960
If you irritated or annoyed
the Gates Foundation,
709
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,440
the money might dry up.
710
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:04,160
Maybe we just need to, in essence,
let him do whatever he wants
711
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,640
and then not risk
currying his displeasure
712
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,720
because what if he tries to
silence you or other people?
713
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,000
I've had people ask me to
wear a mask and a hat to meetings.
714
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,640
I've had people who have said,
715
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,640
"How do you know you
weren't followed?"
716
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,400
It's a strange thing, I think, for
people who see the Gates Foundation
717
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,880
as this great humanitarian
organisation to understand
718
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,440
the culture of fear
that really engulfs the foundation.
719
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,720
The fear was enough to lead people
to be reluctant to speak up,
720
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,400
but we did it, many of us,
721
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,200
with some fear over
our own professional futures.
722
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,280
Catherine Kyobutungi is one of
the only people in the world
723
00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,080
who receives Gates's funding who's
willing to criticise him publicly.
724
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaking out against the foundation
725
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:09,160
and maybe speaking out,
being critical of Bill Gates,
726
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,040
of course,
it could have repercussions,
727
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,920
but I honestly feel liberated
728
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:18,000
and I feel liberated
to speak truth to power,
729
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,160
I feel liberated
to speak for Africans.
730
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:24,160
I don't set out to speak
about the Gates Foundation
731
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,760
and their role in enhancing
global health inequity,
732
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,680
but I turned 50 this year
and I asked myself,
733
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:33,960
"If I don't advocate when I'm 50...
734
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,000
"..when will I advocate?
"When I'm 75? When I'm 65?
735
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,000
"If it's not me, then who?"
736
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,360
Many people have something to lose.
737
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,760
I was not afraid of
what would happen if I spoke out.
738
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,080
I just decided it was time
to actually be willing
739
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,480
to talk about the person
he really is.
740
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:10,240
I'm 71 years old and I'm at
that stage of my career where...
741
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,120
..I'm not afraid at all.
742
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,800
I don't think it's fair to say
that he's a supervillain,
743
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,520
but what's happened is we've
made him into a kind of superhero.
744
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,040
In reality, he is a deeply flawed
745
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,480
and maybe even
a deeply troubled man.
746
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,480
I think it's a mistake to
underestimate what he's capable of.
747
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,880
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