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♪ ♪
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(gunshots)
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REPORTER: A wild shoot‐out on
the streets of the Bronx.
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Tonight, a 51‐year‐old
grandfather shot dead
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in broad daylight.
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VAN ZELLER: I've seen plenty
of violence in my career,
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but a professional hit like
this caught my attention.
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The killing was allegedly
part of an ongoing turf war,
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but not between rival street
gangs or mafia crime families.
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These men were from
rival motorcycle clubs.
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KOZLOWSKI: That One Percenter
patch is declaring 99%
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of everybody else are
law‐abiding citizens,
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we are the 1% that
are the criminals.
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They wear that as
a badge of honor.
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STEWART:
Some people might judge
us for the symbols that we wear,
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but if that makes
us outlaws, so be it.
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VAN ZELLER: These clubs are a
contradiction on two wheels.
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Proudly and loudly
public on American roads.
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Holy (bleep).
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And yet, notoriously secret
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about what membership
truly entails.
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MAN: You live outside the law.
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There's just that 1% of guys
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that don't give a
(bleep) about the law...
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About the (bleep) cops...
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None of that (bleep).
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VAN ZELLER:
What's motivating the violence?
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Who's calling the shots?
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And what does it really
mean to be in the 1%?
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(train approaching)
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VAN ZELLER:
Within the biker world,
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certain motorcycle
clubs have a reputation
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for violence and secrecy.
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The Vagos are one
of those clubs.
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STEWART:
Traditionally, our club has been
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one of the most
tight‐lipped of them all.
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But I am a fan of
opening people's eyes.
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VAN ZELLER:
That's how I end up at this bar
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with the club's
international president,
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a man they call...
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STEWART: There we go.
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VAN ZELLER: Bigfoot.
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STEWART: I started riding
Harley Davidsons in my mid‐20s
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and it didn't take
long to discover
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that these One Percenter clubs
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dictate the life and,
I wanted to have a say.
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VAN ZELLER:
The term "One Percenter"
comes from the
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American Motorcycle Association
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which claims that 99% of bikers
are law‐abiding citizens.
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The implication proudly embraced
by certain clubs like the Vagos,
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is that the other 1%
live by their own rules.
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STEWART: We say to the
world we understand
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what American written law is,
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but we believe some of
it to be horse (bleep).
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If you say something
horrible to me,
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the law says I'm not allowed to
punch you in the mouth for it.
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VAN ZELLER: Right.
STEWART: We say we can.
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And we accept whatever
punishment comes with that.
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And let me tell you this.
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We don't (bleep) hate cops.
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But what we, we don't like
are the dirty portion of them,
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who like to stand before a
group of mainstream media press,
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and then, they like to call
us the Mafia on two wheels.
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VAN ZELLER: They call
you gangs, right?
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STEWART: Yeah, gangs.
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VAN ZELLER:
They don't call you clubs.
They call you gangs.
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STEWART: They
love to use that word.
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Gang, gang, gang.
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VAN ZELLER: Why is it
that there's so much, um,
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animosity between
different clubs?
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STEWART: I wouldn't
say that there is.
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VAN ZELLER: So you
guys are best friends
with all the other clubs.
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STEWART: I wouldn't
say that either.
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Our club motto is
"We give what we get".
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VAN ZELLER: Uh‐hmm.
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STEWART: And sometimes
it results in some
really rough stuff.
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VAN ZELLER: What about murder?
STEWART: What about it?
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VAN ZELLER: That you guys
have been involved in murder.
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STEWART: Well, every
once in a while,
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a melee between a couple of guys
or a couple of clubs go at it.
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Maybe, maybe a guy dies.
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When we go into this life,
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we know that that is
something that could happen.
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OFFICER:
Members of the Vagos
motorcycle gang were armed.
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VAN ZELLER: The
Vagos have a bloody history.
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OFFICER: They are an immediate
threat to the public safety.
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VAN ZELLER: But it's hard
to get anyone to say
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what's behind the violence.
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One of the things that you
hear all the time is that
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"Motorcycle clubs are involved
in drug trafficking."
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STEWART: It's false.
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VAN ZELLER: And that's not
something you've ever witnessed,
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or saw, or you do
not condone that?
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STEWART: As far as the Vagos
motorcycle club being
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some amazingly disorganized
yet organized drug empire,
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forget about it.
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Not a chance.
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I mean, of course, I'm on film,
I wouldn't say it if we were,
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but I mean, it's
utterly ridiculous.
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I don't know what every
single guy does for a living.
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I mean, I have no doubt that
there might be a couple of guys
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that are up to no good.
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I don't judge my brothers,
that's their business.
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VAN ZELLER:
Bigfoot wants me to believe in
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what's called
"The bad apple" defense.
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The idea that the
entire club isn't criminal,
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just a few bad apples.
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I'm suspicious, but I just
don't know enough to know
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if he's telling me the truth.
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I need to better
understand these bikers.
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I need to go to Sturgis.
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(cheering)
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VAN ZELLER:
For 10 days, every August,
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the tiny town of
Sturgis, South Dakota
gets a little rowdy.
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VAN ZELLER:
That's what happens when the
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city of 7,000 people plays
host to half a million.
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Most of them in leather.
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Who comes to Sturgis?
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MONTHEY: Everybody.
It's all walks of lives.
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You have doctors and
attorneys that are here.
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You have people that
are homeless here
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and everybody in between.
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VAN ZELLER:
But there's a darker side
to the Sturgis motorcycle rally.
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That's why I'm here.
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And why Shane comes too,
14 years running.
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MONTHEY: I work for the
local police department.
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VAN ZELLER:
He's one of the more
than 100 law enforcement agents
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brought in from other
cities to patrol the event.
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Over the years, Sturgis has
seen plenty of violence.
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MAN: It's really intense, man,
they were going at it,
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the Mongols and
the Hells Angels.
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MONTHEY: I've
witnessed a shooting.
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I've witnessed a stabbing, and
then just your basic assaults.
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VAN ZELLER: Shane says most
of the trouble originates
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with One Percenters.
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MONTHEY:
Laws don't apply to them.
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VAN ZELLER: So you don't
think they're afraid
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of law enforcement at all?
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MONTHEY: You know, if
they want to do something,
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they're going to do it.
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VAN ZELLER: As a journalist,
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if I'm trying to get
into these clubs
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and see how
they operate, um,
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do you think that's
an easy thing to do?
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MONTHEY: I would say no.
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I would say good luck.
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VAN ZELLER: I hit the
streets of Sturgis,
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eager to find another way in.
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What's strange about this story,
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especially compared to other
investigations I've done,
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is that these One Percenters
aren't hard to find.
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They literally wear their
allegiances on their backs.
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But that doesn't mean
they want to talk.
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These One Percenter
clubs are so secretive,
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that some of them don't
even stay in Sturgis.
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They stay outside of town,
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at private campgrounds
that apparently, get wild.
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Searching for an invite,
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I reach out to a biker turned
radio host named "Hollywood."
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Who I hear is popular
with the One Percenters.
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MACECARI: And welcome
to this edition of
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Motorcycle Madhouse Radio.
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Thanks for joining us.
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(phone ringing)
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MACECERI (over phone):This is Hollywood.
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VAN ZELLER: Hi, Hollywood.
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It's Mariana.
How are you doing?
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It's a long shot, but I
asked if he can get me
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inside one of these campgrounds.
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To my surprise,
he comes through.
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That's where I'm heading now,
to meet a One Percenter club
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called the "Sons of Silence."
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VAN ZELLER: Why do you think
they agreed to speak to us then?
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VAN ZELLER: So when I see
the guard and the gate,
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I'll ask you guys to
put the cameras down.
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Which I think is here actually,
so cameras down.
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We're here. We're here.
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I have no idea what
we're walking into.
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(motorcycle engine)
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Okay.
So I hope this goes well.
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VAN ZELLER: There's
a steady drumbeat of violence
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within biker culture.
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My quest to understand why has
led me to the private campground
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of a One Percenter Club
called the Sons of Silence.
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It's like something
out of Mad Max.
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But our invite has come
with some restrictions.
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We can "Watch but not engage".
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Oh my God.
This is (bleep) crazy.
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What the (bleep)?
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No members can speak on camera
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without permission
from the leaders.
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So I'm stuck, just
looking at these men.
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(camera shutter)
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These faces.
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I find myself thinking about
the faces of their brothers.
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The ones I've seen in mug shots.
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REPORTER: Federal
authorities indicted members
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of the Sons of Silence
motorcycle gang.
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OFFICIAL: An illegal narcotics
trafficking organization.
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VAN ZELLER: In the 12 years,
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club members have been
convicted of everything,
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from selling meth and cocaine,
to sex trafficking,
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intimidation, extortion,
assault, abduction, and murder.
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That rap sheet is front of mind
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as I tour the grounds
campground with our minder,
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a biker named Cody,
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who wears an "Enforcer" patch.
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Do most members come?
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CODY: It's a mandatory run,
so everybody comes.
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VAN ZELLER: It's
mandatory to come?
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Oh, I didn't know that.
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Apparently, I'm not the only
one who's got rules to follow.
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What's this?
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CODY: Every chapter has a flag.
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And when they get here,
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they hang it on a
flag and raise it up.
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VAN ZELLER: Huh.
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How many are supposed to
be up here, do you know?
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CODY: I do.
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VAN ZELLER: You
don't wanna tell me?
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Okay.
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CODY: That's where
the silence part comes in.
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VAN ZELLER: How often is
it that you have cameras
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filming these events?
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CODY: Never.
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Never at all.
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VAN ZELLER: Okay.
BOAR: I'm game.
VAN ZELLER: Yeah?
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BOAR: It's your show, let's go.
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VAN ZELLER: The only members
we're allowed to interview
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are Cody and a man named Boar,
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who's been in the
club nearly 50 years,
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but even our interview
has strict rules attached.
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So I'm going to
ask you the questions
that we've agreed upon.
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BOAR: Uh‐hmm.
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VAN ZELLER: I'd say
it's the first time that I have
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a list of
questions in front of me
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because I usually like it to
be more of a conversation.
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But we've agreed
upon these questions
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and I believe you have
answers in front of you.
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So, first question is,
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what attracts people
to motorcycle clubs?
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BOAR: A lot of people
are attracted here
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due to the freedom and the
love of riding motorcycles.
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VAN ZELLER: Uh‐hmm.
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BOAR: The brotherhood
and the sense of family
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and belonging to something
bigger than yourself.
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VAN ZELLER: What makes
this brotherhood different
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than just regular friends?
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BOAR: A lot of these guys
we have in our club
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are veterans of every
war you can think of.
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When I came,
around 46 years ago,
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it was all Vietnam veterans.
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When they came home from
what they ever did elsewhere,
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they were told just to go
home and be happy you're home.
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VAN ZELLER: Many
of these returning soldiers
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struggled to adjust,
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especially in the face
of a protest movement
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that often blamed
them for the failures
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and atrocities of the war.
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Seeking the camaraderie
they'd known while serving,
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many were drawn to these
civilian "Bands of brothers."
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MAN: This is freedom for me.
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What's real?
It ain't plastic.
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Society's creepy.
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Mind (bleep).
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BOAR: Some of the veterans
have had their fill of people.
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But here, they feel
like they're at home.
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This is where
everybody is accepted
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if this is where you want to be.
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And that's what
this was all about.
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VAN ZELLER: The military's
influence is telling,
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on the surface, the scene
feels wild and freewheeling
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but there's a structure
that lies beneath.
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The mandatory attendance.
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The flag displays.
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The organized competitions.
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They wear a different
kind of uniform,
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but they are still trained
to obey their leaders.
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BOAR: In our club,
it takes at least a year
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to be a full patch holder.
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VAN ZELLER: Potential members
must undergo a vetting process.
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"Prospects", as they're known,
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prove their commitment
to the club
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by following members' orders.
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It's not hard to spot these
prospects around camp.
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I see one tending the fire.
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Another one on his bike.
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They can only wear what's
called the "Bottom rocker",
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ID'ing their chapter.
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Only once accepted do they
become "Full patch" members
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and earn their "Colors",
the club's logo.
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BOAR: If they're not
satisfactory to what
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we're looking for,
we get rid of them.
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VAN ZELLER: Can I
ask you though,
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about the tattoos
and the meanings of the
tattoos and the patches?
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BOAR: Okay.
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VAN ZELLER: The "SS" which
you know was the elite team
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of the Nazis, right?
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Or does the "SS" represent
something else for you?
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CODY: For me, it does, but I'm
not going to talk about it.
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VAN ZELLER:
Cody may deny it,
but charges of racism and sexism
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have dogged these One Percenter
clubs through the years.
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BOAR: If you were a member,
you'd understand some tattoos
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are to keep people away.
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VAN ZELLER: Uh‐hmm.
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BOAR: And don't ask,
does that make sense?
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VAN ZELLER: Absolutely.
I won't ask about the
tattoos anymore then.
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BOAR: I didn't hear you.
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VAN ZELLER: I won't ask about
the tattoos anymore then.
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BOAR: Thank you.
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VAN ZELLER: But
I also won't stay on script.
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What exactly is an outlaw biker?
What does that mean?
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BOAR: That one, I don't
think is a good question.
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The police are
the ones that have deemed us
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to be "Outlaws."
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This is who we are,
what we are, and what we do.
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I think they're trying to
portray us as something we,
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we're not.
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VAN ZELLER: And it's, it is
working, because, you know,
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I've been to many places
in my life, but yet,
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I was intimidated coming here.
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I wasn't sure what to expect.
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Is that something that
you want to continue
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or is that something
that you're hoping
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will change your image
to the outside world?
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CODY: We don't give a (bleep)
what people think about us.
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VAN ZELLER: Right.
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But you also don't want people
to think that you are criminals.
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BOAR: We really don't care.
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We're not here to be
anything to anybody.
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We're here for us.
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VAN ZELLER:
Is it possible that
these One Percenters
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just have an image problem?
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That they aren't really
outlaws, just outcasts,
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wanting to be left alone?
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Unsure, I head back to LA, where
I connect with a new source,
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a biker who says he's
willing to open up
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about how these clubs really
operate from the inside.
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KOZLOWSKI:
That One Percenter patch
that you see on my vest here.
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They wear that as
a badge declaring,
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"Hey, we are a gang.
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We are a criminal
organization."
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They know what it means.
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The culture knows what it means.
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But they're not
going to say that.
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They're going to call themselves
a club, we're a motorcycle club,
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"We just like to do what we do
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because it's the freedom
of the riding."
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They're going to
distance themselves
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from any opportunity to say
that they're an actual gang.
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VAN ZELLER: How many
clubs did you infiltrate?
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KOZLOWSKI: Personally,
I've infiltrated
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three separate motorcycle gangs.
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And each one of them becoming a
full‐patch member in all three.
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VAN ZELLER: In all three, you
became a full‐patch member?
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KOZLOWSKI: Yes.
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VAN ZELLER: That's right.
This dude is a federal agent
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and within law
enforcement circles,
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a legend.
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His name is Darrin Kozlowski.
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Better known as "Koz."
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KOZLOWSKI: Between
1997 and 2008,
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I was undercover full time
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for approximately six
of those eleven years
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in those three gangs.
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VAN ZELLER:
Koz explains that these clubs
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had sold the public a story,
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the same story that the
Sons of Silence and Bigfoot
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tried to sell me.
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But the reality is much
dirtier and, he's lived it.
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♪ ♪
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KOZLOWSKI: As undercovers,
we are thinking the worst.
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People have been killed
even being suspected
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of being informants or snitches
for these kinds of gangs.
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And there's been murders
from people even thinking
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that they were informants,
and they even weren't.
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VAN ZELLER: Uh‐hmm.
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Darren Kozlowski lived
with that fear for years
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as an undercover
agent with the ATF,
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the Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco, and Firearms,
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he infiltrated three
of the most notorious
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One Percenter motorcycle clubs.
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The Vagos, Warlocks,
and Mongols.
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KOZLOWSKI: They'll make money
from any means necessary.
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They're opportunists, so if
it's the drug game, weapons,
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if it's prostitution,
they'll find a way to do it.
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And on top of that,
you'll have the other events
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that come along with it.
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The violence, the
fighting, the stabbings,
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the territorial disputes,
the murders.
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VAN ZELLER: Koz
explains that the brotherhood
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these clubs talk about is real
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and it's also what makes them
effective as criminal gangs.
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KOZLOWSKI: It gives them that
means to conduct their business
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with that level of trust.
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That separates them a little bit
differently from everybody else.
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And then when they're
getting some heat from
another rival gang,
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yeah, they can make
a phone call to LA
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and LA is going to send
100 dudes to that area
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and that's going to be
followed with intimidation,
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going into bars, acts of
violence, stabbings, beatings,
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whatever it may be to
establish themselves of the,
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to a point of dominance
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that we're not here
to be (bleep) with.
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VAN ZELLER: Koz tells me the
Bronx killing was the result
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of a classic turf rivalry.
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The Pagans were unhappy
that the Hells Angels
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had moved their clubhouse
into the Bronx.
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The beef escalated and the
Pagan leader was gunned down.
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KOZLOWSKI:
Because in their culture,
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that patch means so much, that
gang means so much to them,
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that's what they
live and die over.
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VAN ZELLER:
Weeks later, Koz tips me off
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to a One Percenter's funeral.
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A member of the Mongols
Motorcycle Club has died
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and his brothers are
gathering for a tradition
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called "The Last Ride".
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Wow, you can see all the
bikes already up there.
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CICCONE: Yeah, wait until
you see the procession.
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There's, there will
be 400 or 500 bikes.
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VAN ZELLER: Yeah?
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CICCONE: It's even impressive
for us and we've been
working it forever.
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VAN ZELLER:
But there's something
else that makes
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this funeral different, it's
being monitored by the feds.
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CICCONE:
They know that we're out here.
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VAN ZELLER: Yeah.
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CICCONE: This isn't like
a covert stealthy thing.
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That, you know, creates a
perception in their mind
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that we're still working them.
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And waiting for them to slip up.
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VAN ZELLER:
Special agent John Ciccone
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leads ATF's investigations
into One Percenter clubs
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in Southern California.
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During Koz's years undercover,
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he considered Ciccone
his guardian angel.
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CICCONE: So what's
gonna happen is,
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you're gonna have your
road captains, right?
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Which are these guys.
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And their job is to
block off intersections
as this thing proceeds,
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so it keeps the
whole pack together.
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VAN ZELLER: Are they allowed
to do this, to block the roads?
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CICCONE: No, but
who's gonna stop them.
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You're not going to get yourself
in the middle of all that,
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just because they run a red
light, you know what I mean?
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CICCONE:
There's a lot of 'em, man.
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VAN ZELLER:
The bikers fall into
formation, again,
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I sense the
military's influence.
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The Last Ride is
a show of respect,
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but it's also a very
public display of force.
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Oh, wow, so that's
the hearse right here.
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CICCONE: Yup, and then you
got one guy protecting it.
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One rider.
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VAN ZELLER: And then it's
just a sea of bikes behind.
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Wow, they're looking at us.
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CICCONE: Yeah, it's
going to get dicey.
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VAN ZELLER: Holy (bleep).
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I mean, the whole
car is shaking.
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Did you see that?
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He flipped a middle
finger at us.
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CICCONE: Yeah.
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VAN ZELLER: I'm truly.
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Like my body just
need a rest right now.
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So intense.
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CICCONE: I've
primarily worked the Mongols,
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so I know the most about them.
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They want to instill fear and
intimidation wherever they go.
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I consider them one of the
most violent out there.
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VAN ZELLER: Over
the years, ATF's work has led
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to several major takedowns.
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O'BRIEN: Homicides, narcotics,
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some extremely
violent individuals
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who were taken off
the street today.
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REPORTER: Speaking before
a treasure trove
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of seized assets form the gang,
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the US attorney
announced a major sweep
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and takedown of the Mongols.
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He called them a violent
criminal enterprise.
478
00:24:13,702 --> 00:24:14,870
CICCONE:
We convicted the gang.
479
00:24:15,371 --> 00:24:18,165
We had four agents that were
members for three years.
480
00:24:18,832 --> 00:24:21,251
I mean, they went through
the process, hang around,
481
00:24:21,251 --> 00:24:24,171
prospecting, and then full‐patch
membership for that time period.
482
00:24:24,171 --> 00:24:27,383
But, you know, the protocols
were broken down to them.
483
00:24:27,383 --> 00:24:30,636
You know, if you see a
Hells Angel, shoot on sight.
484
00:24:35,099 --> 00:24:38,811
The Mongols have killed three
Hells Angels in the last month.
485
00:24:39,061 --> 00:24:40,104
VAN ZELLER: No way.
486
00:24:40,104 --> 00:24:42,064
CICCONE: There was
a shooting here,
487
00:24:42,064 --> 00:24:44,191
and then Denver was a murder,
Indiana a murder,
488
00:24:44,191 --> 00:24:46,819
Cleveland, Ohio a murder.
489
00:24:46,819 --> 00:24:48,654
VAN ZELLER: So there's a huge
fight going on between the two?
490
00:24:48,654 --> 00:24:52,032
CICCONE: Yeah, it's been
that way since the '70s.
491
00:24:56,203 --> 00:24:59,581
VAN ZELLER:
Agent Ciccone shows
me the video of a massive brawl
492
00:24:59,581 --> 00:25:01,667
inside a Nevada casino.
493
00:25:04,837 --> 00:25:08,257
Two Hells Angels died from
gunshots and a Mongol was
494
00:25:08,257 --> 00:25:09,675
stabbed to death.
495
00:25:11,844 --> 00:25:13,804
(gunshots)
496
00:25:13,804 --> 00:25:16,473
CICCONE:
3,000 innocent civilians
in that casino.
497
00:25:16,473 --> 00:25:19,685
They didn't give a (bleep) and
the Hells Angels didn't give
a (bleep).
498
00:25:19,685 --> 00:25:21,562
They came in and got it on.
They got it on.
499
00:25:22,354 --> 00:25:24,440
Because they're, that's
what gang members do.
500
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:29,111
VAN ZELLER:
Ciccone explains how the clubs
encourage these rivalries.
501
00:25:29,111 --> 00:25:31,196
CICCONE: If you confront
another rival gang member,
502
00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:32,948
you get a Respect Few,
Fear None patch.
503
00:25:32,948 --> 00:25:34,992
You know, it's a badge of honor.
504
00:25:34,992 --> 00:25:37,995
If you're involved in
a shooting or a murder,
505
00:25:37,995 --> 00:25:40,330
you get a skull and
crossbones patch.
506
00:25:41,874 --> 00:25:44,626
So they're promoting
the violence
507
00:25:44,626 --> 00:25:46,545
and rewarding the violence.
508
00:25:46,545 --> 00:25:48,255
VAN ZELLER: Giving them patches.
509
00:25:48,505 --> 00:25:50,007
Of course.
510
00:25:50,007 --> 00:25:52,968
It's been right there in front
of my face the whole time.
511
00:25:53,969 --> 00:25:55,763
Stitched into the leather,
512
00:25:55,763 --> 00:25:58,849
coded language that speaks
to what these clubs value.
513
00:25:59,767 --> 00:26:01,852
CICCONE: You could put
all the fluff around the
Harleys and all that,
514
00:26:01,852 --> 00:26:04,605
but it's a gang, we all
know what comes with that.
515
00:26:05,898 --> 00:26:09,610
Violence, drug trafficking,
firearms trafficking, assaults,
516
00:26:10,277 --> 00:26:12,237
murders, shootings.
517
00:26:12,237 --> 00:26:14,323
And they operate just
like a street gang.
518
00:26:14,323 --> 00:26:16,825
They just ride bikes.
519
00:26:21,205 --> 00:26:24,208
We got some information
that a group of Mongols
520
00:26:24,208 --> 00:26:26,752
is at a restaurant
over here in Monrovia.
521
00:26:27,544 --> 00:26:30,297
So, we're just kind of go
see what they're up to.
522
00:26:30,297 --> 00:26:32,299
And then we'll see if we
can make contact with them.
523
00:26:32,758 --> 00:26:34,218
VAN ZELLER: So by contact,
do you mean just, like,
524
00:26:34,218 --> 00:26:35,302
try to talk to a few of them?
525
00:26:35,302 --> 00:26:36,887
Like see what happens?
526
00:26:36,887 --> 00:26:38,680
CICCONE: Yeah,
we'll just pull up
527
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,182
and kind of sit there
with my windows down
528
00:26:40,182 --> 00:26:42,476
and see if I can
stir up anything.
529
00:26:42,476 --> 00:26:44,436
VAN ZELLER: You just
love stirring up (bleep).
530
00:26:44,436 --> 00:26:46,230
CICCONE: Oh, yeah.
531
00:26:49,316 --> 00:26:52,444
VAN ZELLER: Is it just this,
this Mexican restaurant?
532
00:26:53,445 --> 00:26:54,488
Oh, yeah.
533
00:26:54,488 --> 00:26:56,573
CICCONE: Some bikes.
534
00:26:57,533 --> 00:27:00,202
So, there's definitely
some members here.
535
00:27:00,202 --> 00:27:03,205
VAN ZELLER: So they leave their
helmets on the, on their bikes.
536
00:27:03,205 --> 00:27:05,290
They're not afraid that
somebody will steal them?
537
00:27:05,290 --> 00:27:07,084
CICCONE: No one's
going to steal them.
538
00:27:07,084 --> 00:27:09,044
That will not happen.
539
00:27:09,878 --> 00:27:11,839
VAN ZELLER: With no
planning and no back up,
540
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:13,549
Agent Ciccone is
about to roll up
541
00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:18,011
on one of the most feared
motorcycle clubs on the planet.
542
00:27:18,011 --> 00:27:21,306
And the Mongols all know
he's a federal agent.
543
00:27:22,391 --> 00:27:26,228
CICCONE: Yeah, this looks like
the, uh, where they're at.
544
00:27:26,228 --> 00:27:29,356
VAN ZELLER: Oh my God.
545
00:27:29,857 --> 00:27:31,942
Is this a good idea?
546
00:27:35,487 --> 00:27:38,073
CICCONE: What's going on?
547
00:27:44,454 --> 00:27:48,959
VAN ZELLER:
The Mongol's motto
is "Respect few, fear none."
548
00:27:50,878 --> 00:27:52,754
The ATF has called
them the most violent
549
00:27:52,754 --> 00:27:55,340
motorcycle club in the country.
550
00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:59,052
And yet, Agent John Ciccone
has decided it's a good idea
551
00:27:59,052 --> 00:28:00,721
to crash their
post‐funeral lunch.
552
00:28:01,305 --> 00:28:02,890
CICCONE: What's going on?
553
00:28:07,019 --> 00:28:08,061
CICCONE: Sure, man.
554
00:28:08,061 --> 00:28:09,938
LITTLE DAVE:
Hold on.
555
00:28:09,938 --> 00:28:12,524
CICCONE: I thought that
was you, I'm, like,
I had to do a double take, man.
556
00:28:13,025 --> 00:28:16,111
VAN ZELLER:
When Agent Ciccone
invited me along for this ride,
557
00:28:16,111 --> 00:28:19,740
I didn't anticipate a friendly
chat with the infamous Mongols.
558
00:28:20,824 --> 00:28:22,326
CICCONE: What's happening, dude?
559
00:28:22,326 --> 00:28:24,036
LITTLE DAVE: Yeah, I didn't
know you were with the wife?
560
00:28:24,036 --> 00:28:25,454
CICCONE: Not this time, man.
561
00:28:25,454 --> 00:28:27,205
LITTLE DAVE: Oh, damn.
What are you guys filming?
562
00:28:27,205 --> 00:28:28,415
CICCONE: What's up, man?
563
00:28:28,415 --> 00:28:29,917
VAN ZELLER:
And this isn't just any Mongol,
564
00:28:29,917 --> 00:28:31,335
it's one of the top
leaders of the club.
565
00:28:31,335 --> 00:28:33,003
CICCONE: How did the funeral go?
566
00:28:33,003 --> 00:28:34,671
You guys make your
run and all that?
567
00:28:34,671 --> 00:28:36,006
LITTLE DAVE: Yeah.
CICCONE: How was it?
568
00:28:36,006 --> 00:28:37,424
LITTLE DAVE: We've seen
you on the freeway.
569
00:28:37,424 --> 00:28:38,967
CICCONE: I was on
the freeway, man.
570
00:28:38,967 --> 00:28:40,427
LITTLE DAVE: Yeah.
571
00:28:40,427 --> 00:28:41,803
CICCONE: Just stay off the
freeways next weekend, man,
572
00:28:41,803 --> 00:28:43,931
because, because Castiglione
is getting buried in,
573
00:28:43,931 --> 00:28:45,515
the Hells Angels in San Diego.
574
00:28:45,515 --> 00:28:47,017
LITTLE DAVE: Oh, yeah.
575
00:28:47,017 --> 00:28:48,185
CICCONE: He was like
a 50 year member, man.
576
00:28:48,185 --> 00:28:49,478
LITTLE DAVE: Oh (bleep).
CICCONE: So.
577
00:28:49,478 --> 00:28:50,938
MAN: Next weekend?
CICCONE: Next weekend.
578
00:28:50,938 --> 00:28:52,397
LITTLE DAVE: I heard they
buried three other dudes, like,
579
00:28:52,397 --> 00:28:53,523
in the last month.
580
00:28:53,523 --> 00:28:54,441
I don't know why,
but that's what I hear.
581
00:28:54,441 --> 00:28:55,525
That's the real.
582
00:28:55,525 --> 00:28:57,361
CICCONE: No comment, man.
583
00:28:57,361 --> 00:28:59,071
LITTLE DAVE: Yeah, 3‐0.
CICCONE: No comment, man.
LITTLE DAVE: 3‐0.
584
00:28:59,071 --> 00:29:00,238
The score's 3‐0.
585
00:29:00,238 --> 00:29:02,032
CICCONE: No comment, man.
586
00:29:02,324 --> 00:29:04,493
VAN ZELLER:
Did you catch that score line?
587
00:29:04,493 --> 00:29:06,662
3‐0.
588
00:29:06,662 --> 00:29:09,373
Presumably meaning
three Hells Angels dead,
589
00:29:09,373 --> 00:29:10,958
zero Mongols killed.
590
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,585
REPORTER: Investigators
say multiple people
591
00:29:13,585 --> 00:29:15,671
riding motorcycles were
involved in a shooting.
592
00:29:16,088 --> 00:29:18,215
REPORTER 2:
Police are saying
a person was stabbed to death.
593
00:29:18,215 --> 00:29:20,676
REPORTER 3: Initial details
painted the fatal confrontation
594
00:29:20,676 --> 00:29:23,971
between the rival gangs is
an argument that escalated.
595
00:29:25,555 --> 00:29:27,432
CICCONE: All right.
I'll let you guys go, man.
596
00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:29,393
VAN ZELLER: Wait, wait, wait.
Can I ask a question since
we're at this?
597
00:29:29,393 --> 00:29:30,560
So we're with
National Geographic.
598
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,145
MAN: Oh, I thought
that was your wife!
599
00:29:32,145 --> 00:29:33,855
CICCONE: That's the
National Geographic, man.
600
00:29:33,855 --> 00:29:35,565
CICCONE: You don't
see all this camera.
601
00:29:35,565 --> 00:29:37,067
LITTLE DAVE: Dude,
I watch everything.
602
00:29:37,067 --> 00:29:38,485
VAN ZELLER: Can, can we come
hang out with you guys one day?
603
00:29:38,485 --> 00:29:39,736
LITTLE DAVE: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
604
00:29:39,736 --> 00:29:41,238
VAN ZELLER: He's saying no.
He's saying yes.
605
00:29:41,238 --> 00:29:42,739
I'm Mariana, by the way.
606
00:29:42,739 --> 00:29:44,741
Hi, how are you?
So how do I contact you?
607
00:29:44,741 --> 00:29:46,576
LITTLE DAVE: Oh, my number.
Take down my number.
608
00:29:46,576 --> 00:29:47,995
CICCONE: Geez.
609
00:29:47,995 --> 00:29:49,621
LITTLE DAVE: (bleep).
Don't record the number.
610
00:29:49,621 --> 00:29:51,206
VAN ZELLER: So I'm Mariana.
I'll call you.
611
00:29:51,206 --> 00:29:52,666
LITTLE DAVE: All right. Cool.
612
00:29:52,666 --> 00:29:53,792
VAN ZELLER: And then I'm hoping
we can hang out with you.
613
00:29:53,792 --> 00:29:54,960
LITTLE DAVE: We'll
talk, we'll talk, yeah,
614
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,003
I can't promise anything,
but we'll talk.
615
00:29:56,003 --> 00:29:57,379
VAN ZELLER: Okay.
CICCONE: Later.
616
00:29:57,379 --> 00:29:59,172
VAN ZELLER:Thanks, guys.
Have a margarita for us.
617
00:29:59,172 --> 00:30:01,299
Oh, my God.
That was insane.
618
00:30:01,299 --> 00:30:02,884
CICCONE: There you go, man.
619
00:30:02,884 --> 00:30:04,136
See?
620
00:30:04,136 --> 00:30:05,512
What kind of hookup you
guys got here today?
621
00:30:05,512 --> 00:30:06,805
VAN ZELLER: But that
was definitely (bleep).
622
00:30:06,805 --> 00:30:08,348
CICCONE: Yeah, the guy
in the white shirt.
623
00:30:08,348 --> 00:30:09,850
VAN ZELLER: And he immediately
obviously knew who you were.
624
00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:11,893
And he jumped off
his chair and came.
625
00:30:11,893 --> 00:30:13,687
CICCONE: You have
to understand that we have
626
00:30:13,687 --> 00:30:15,564
an open communication,
him and I.
627
00:30:15,564 --> 00:30:17,399
It's a respect thing.
628
00:30:17,399 --> 00:30:19,443
That's all I can
really explain it.
629
00:30:20,527 --> 00:30:22,946
I've worked these
guys since '97.
630
00:30:22,946 --> 00:30:27,242
We don't harass them or
disrespect them, but we,
631
00:30:27,242 --> 00:30:30,078
we work them and we put
the criminals in jail.
632
00:30:30,537 --> 00:30:32,414
Especially with (bleep),
he's the national president,
633
00:30:32,414 --> 00:30:33,707
you know, everything
is under his watch.
634
00:30:33,707 --> 00:30:35,709
He doesn't want to go to prison.
635
00:30:35,709 --> 00:30:37,836
But then there's times when
he comes more involved
636
00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:39,880
with being the national
president as, you know,
637
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,548
giving out those awards
and those patches
638
00:30:41,548 --> 00:30:42,966
when people do stuff.
639
00:30:42,966 --> 00:30:44,134
VAN ZELLER: Uh‐hmm.
640
00:30:44,134 --> 00:30:45,594
CICCONE: You know,
he's behind that.
641
00:30:45,594 --> 00:30:47,846
VAN ZELLER: So there's
absolutely no doubt in your mind
642
00:30:47,846 --> 00:30:49,389
that they perform
illegal activities,
643
00:30:49,389 --> 00:30:50,515
that they are criminals?
644
00:30:50,515 --> 00:30:52,142
CICCONE: Oh, yeah.
It's who they are.
645
00:30:52,142 --> 00:30:54,478
Not all of them commit
crimes every day
646
00:30:54,478 --> 00:30:56,104
or have criminal histories,
647
00:30:56,104 --> 00:31:00,442
but they have protocols that
everybody has to adhere to.
648
00:31:01,151 --> 00:31:04,196
You're forced into
their criminal element
649
00:31:04,196 --> 00:31:05,864
when you become a member.
650
00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:08,450
And all they have to
do is just act right
651
00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:10,952
and we would leave them alone,
you know.
652
00:31:10,952 --> 00:31:12,954
But as long as they're
going to keep shooting
and killing people,
653
00:31:12,954 --> 00:31:14,998
then we're going
to be around.
654
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:19,878
VAN ZELLER:
I want to know what role
these leaders actually play.
655
00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:23,173
And if these clubs are
criminal enterprises
hiding in plain sight,
656
00:31:23,673 --> 00:31:25,675
then what's bringing
in the money.
657
00:31:25,675 --> 00:31:28,178
KOZLOWSKI: I would say the drugs
make the most money for them.
658
00:31:28,178 --> 00:31:30,972
VAN ZELLER: Koz tells
me something that I
didn't know before,
659
00:31:30,972 --> 00:31:34,601
that the drugs they famously
transport are supplied
660
00:31:34,601 --> 00:31:37,104
and controlled by
the Mexican cartels.
661
00:31:38,438 --> 00:31:41,858
So if the cartels have such
a network here in the US
already established,
662
00:31:41,858 --> 00:31:45,237
why work with the clubs to
transport those drugs?
663
00:31:45,237 --> 00:31:46,571
What's in it for them?
664
00:31:47,072 --> 00:31:48,740
KOZLOWSKI: I think it's
just going to come down
665
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:50,158
to pure business.
666
00:31:50,158 --> 00:31:52,869
If you have a gang that can
move X amount of weight
667
00:31:52,869 --> 00:31:54,955
and you have a trusted member
668
00:31:54,955 --> 00:31:57,916
who can deliver from
that connection,
669
00:31:59,209 --> 00:32:01,711
you now have a whole
another network of people
670
00:32:01,711 --> 00:32:03,296
to distribute to.
671
00:32:03,296 --> 00:32:04,589
You expand that territory.
672
00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:06,550
You've reached another group
673
00:32:06,550 --> 00:32:09,219
that has that crossover
connection with cartel types.
674
00:32:09,469 --> 00:32:10,971
VAN ZELLER: Uh‐hmm.
675
00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:15,392
This isn't about
a few bad apples.
676
00:32:15,392 --> 00:32:18,019
This is pure business.
677
00:32:18,019 --> 00:32:20,438
To see the criminal side
of these One Percenters,
678
00:32:20,438 --> 00:32:22,399
I've got to follow the money.
679
00:32:23,650 --> 00:32:25,527
Hi. How are you doing?
680
00:32:28,655 --> 00:32:30,615
VAN ZELLER: And find the
connection between the clubs
681
00:32:30,615 --> 00:32:32,617
and the cartels.
682
00:32:32,617 --> 00:32:34,411
And what about, is there,
do you have any connections
outside of California?
683
00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:40,000
VAN ZELLER:
Over the years,
I've made underworld contacts.
684
00:32:43,461 --> 00:32:44,754
VAN ZELLER:
On both sides of the border.
685
00:32:51,011 --> 00:32:52,137
VAN ZELLER: I've networked.
686
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:56,183
VAN ZELLER: I've built trust.
687
00:33:00,145 --> 00:33:04,107
VAN ZELLER:
And in moments like this,
I know who can open doors.
688
00:33:14,784 --> 00:33:16,620
VAN ZELLER:
We just got the call?
689
00:33:16,620 --> 00:33:18,830
FIXER (over phone):Yes, he finally, uh,told us where to meet.
690
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:20,457
It's a place wherethey feel safe.
691
00:33:20,457 --> 00:33:23,210
It'll be a place where we cansit and talk and negotiate.
692
00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:27,714
They know your name,they're expecting your call.
693
00:33:27,714 --> 00:33:31,801
They'll send a pin of where,uh, we're supposed to meet them
694
00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:34,721
VAN ZELLER: Finally,
after weeks of hustling,
695
00:33:34,721 --> 00:33:38,225
a cartel contact agrees
to connect me to a One Percenter
696
00:33:38,225 --> 00:33:39,768
who transports narcotics.
697
00:33:42,437 --> 00:33:44,940
Let's make sure we're
not being followed.
698
00:33:48,109 --> 00:33:49,527
Okay.
I'd say cameras down, guys.
699
00:33:49,527 --> 00:33:51,071
Down on cameras.
700
00:33:51,071 --> 00:33:54,282
It's more important than that we
not spook them right now then.
701
00:33:55,951 --> 00:33:57,869
FIXER (over phone): There'sa bit of a complication.
702
00:33:57,869 --> 00:34:00,497
They don't want usto bring our cars.
703
00:34:00,747 --> 00:34:02,874
They want us to jumpinto their cars.
704
00:34:04,501 --> 00:34:06,044
VAN ZELLER: Yeah.
I don't think that's
a good idea at all.
705
00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:08,004
I don't, I don't feel
comfortable jumping in the car
706
00:34:08,004 --> 00:34:09,506
with somebody that we don't know
707
00:34:09,506 --> 00:34:11,883
and where they're
taking us and all that.
708
00:34:11,883 --> 00:34:13,969
I don't think
that's a good idea.
709
00:34:17,931 --> 00:34:20,016
They should be around
here somewhere.
710
00:34:20,016 --> 00:34:22,978
MAN: If you
get any updates, Rob, call...
711
00:34:22,978 --> 00:34:24,562
VAN ZELLER: Uh, can
we not talk on the,
712
00:34:24,562 --> 00:34:26,398
can we not put the
walkie‐talkies up
713
00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:28,149
when we're talking, guys.
714
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:30,402
It's, like, if you want
to scream undercover cops,
715
00:34:30,402 --> 00:34:32,237
that's it.
716
00:34:33,363 --> 00:34:35,365
I'm obviously paranoid
at this point.
717
00:34:39,911 --> 00:34:41,705
Is this them?
718
00:34:43,331 --> 00:34:45,125
Okay, so that's them, guys.
719
00:34:45,125 --> 00:34:47,002
Leave the car running.
720
00:34:47,002 --> 00:34:48,336
Wish me luck.
721
00:34:59,347 --> 00:35:01,474
Hi. How are you doing?
Mariana.
722
00:35:09,441 --> 00:35:11,776
DRIVER: Okay, I'm
going to need you to put
all the phones in the bag,
723
00:35:11,776 --> 00:35:13,278
turn them off, and
leave them on the car.
724
00:35:13,278 --> 00:35:14,696
VAN ZELLER: And leave
them in the other car?
725
00:35:14,696 --> 00:35:15,947
DRIVER: Yes.
726
00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:16,990
VAN ZELLER: So we can't
take phones with us?
727
00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:18,116
DRIVER: No.
728
00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:19,159
VAN ZELLER: Can I
take mine at least?
729
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:20,452
DRIVER: No.
730
00:35:20,452 --> 00:35:22,829
VAN ZELLER: I can shut it off?
DRIVER: Ah, no.
731
00:35:27,334 --> 00:35:29,210
VAN ZELLER: So a little bit of a
problem is that they don't want
732
00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:31,421
any of us to take our phones.
733
00:35:31,838 --> 00:35:34,424
So they've asked that
we keep our phones here,
734
00:35:34,424 --> 00:35:36,134
which makes me a little nervous.
735
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,471
That's not a situation
like to be in at all.
736
00:35:39,471 --> 00:35:40,805
Everybody's phones.
737
00:35:40,805 --> 00:35:42,724
Are you okay?
738
00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:45,393
Okay. Thanks, guys.
739
00:35:49,689 --> 00:35:53,360
I'm in a car with a man I'm
told is a cartel operative,
740
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,070
who I presumed is armed.
741
00:35:56,029 --> 00:35:58,114
He's taking me to
meet a One Percenter,
742
00:35:58,114 --> 00:36:00,241
but I don't know
where we're going
743
00:36:00,241 --> 00:36:03,036
or what we'll learn
when we get there.
744
00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:10,377
So you're not actually
the person we're going
to be talking to, right?
745
00:36:10,377 --> 00:36:13,171
MAN: No.
VAN ZELLER: Somebody else?
MAN: Yeah. Someone else.
746
00:36:14,923 --> 00:36:17,175
Here's our buddy right
here, to the right.
747
00:36:17,175 --> 00:36:19,260
VAN ZELLER: This is him?
MAN: Yeah.
VAN ZELLER: Oh, wow.
748
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,471
So he was waiting here
for us the whole time?
749
00:36:21,471 --> 00:36:22,889
MAN: Yeah.
750
00:36:22,889 --> 00:36:25,225
VAN ZELLER: This is apparently
the biker in question,
751
00:36:25,225 --> 00:36:27,602
and he's clearly been
tracking our movements.
752
00:36:28,186 --> 00:36:30,230
So do you work with the cartel?
753
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:32,023
MAN: I'm not going
to say nothing.
754
00:36:32,023 --> 00:36:33,817
VAN ZELLER:
Sorry, as a journalist,
755
00:36:33,817 --> 00:36:35,026
I start asking
questions immediately.
756
00:36:35,026 --> 00:36:36,486
MAN: Yeah.
757
00:36:50,375 --> 00:36:52,001
VAN ZELLER:
Oh, it's sort of a ranch house.
Yeah?
758
00:36:52,001 --> 00:36:54,379
MAN: Yes. One of many.
759
00:36:55,839 --> 00:36:57,215
VAN ZELLER: One of many
you guys have around here?
760
00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:59,259
MAN: Yes.
761
00:37:00,510 --> 00:37:02,470
VAN ZELLER: Good. Okay.
762
00:37:03,763 --> 00:37:06,975
We arrived at a normal‐looking
ranch house on a bit of land.
763
00:37:06,975 --> 00:37:09,227
As I get out of the car,
764
00:37:09,227 --> 00:37:12,105
I'm met by a masked man with
a semi‐automatic rifle.
765
00:37:13,106 --> 00:37:15,275
He directs me around
the back of the house
766
00:37:15,275 --> 00:37:17,235
and that's where
I find our biker.
767
00:37:17,819 --> 00:37:20,780
For his safety, we're covering
his face and changing his voice.
768
00:37:21,614 --> 00:37:22,824
PANCHO: All right.
769
00:37:22,824 --> 00:37:24,075
VAN ZELLER: Okay.
770
00:37:24,075 --> 00:37:25,535
Were you undecided
about talking to us?
771
00:37:25,535 --> 00:37:26,911
PANCHO: I was, yeah.
772
00:37:26,911 --> 00:37:29,289
I don't really trust nobody.
773
00:37:29,289 --> 00:37:31,499
VAN ZELLER: Did you check our
work or did you check me out
774
00:37:31,499 --> 00:37:32,667
to make sure that
I wasn't police?
775
00:37:32,667 --> 00:37:33,835
PANCHO: Oh, yeah.
776
00:37:33,835 --> 00:37:35,420
All you guys.
777
00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:37,338
VAN ZELLER: You did, all of us?
PANCHO: Yes. There's a network.
778
00:37:37,338 --> 00:37:39,507
VAN ZELLER: Of bikers?
PANCHO: Yes.
779
00:37:39,507 --> 00:37:43,386
Trust me, any information that
we need from anybody is there.
780
00:37:44,429 --> 00:37:46,556
VAN ZELLER: Can I ask you
what club you belong to?
781
00:37:46,556 --> 00:37:49,225
PANCHO: You
could ask me all day,
but I'm not going to say.
782
00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:53,062
VAN ZELLER: But it's, would you
say that it's a well‐known one?
783
00:37:53,062 --> 00:37:55,356
PANCHO: Oh, yeah.
It's a well‐known one. Yeah.
784
00:37:55,356 --> 00:37:58,026
VAN ZELLER: I, I was told that
you were part of the (bleep)?
785
00:37:58,026 --> 00:37:59,861
PANCHO: Again, I
don't want to say.
786
00:37:59,861 --> 00:38:01,446
You know, I can't expose myself
787
00:38:01,446 --> 00:38:04,115
because this is a
serious business.
788
00:38:04,991 --> 00:38:06,743
VAN ZELLER: What would
happen if they found out
789
00:38:06,743 --> 00:38:08,870
that you were talking to me?
790
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:11,122
PANCHO: I would
probably get killed.
791
00:38:11,873 --> 00:38:14,793
All these (bleep), they,
they'll hurt you,
792
00:38:14,793 --> 00:38:16,503
they'll hurt you
when they have to.
793
00:38:17,128 --> 00:38:18,838
VAN ZELLER: They or you?
794
00:38:18,838 --> 00:38:20,840
PANCHO: Everybody.
795
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,884
Every last one of them.
796
00:38:22,884 --> 00:38:24,886
VAN ZELLER: Do you
carry a gun with you?
797
00:38:24,886 --> 00:38:26,679
PANCHO: All the time.
798
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:28,723
VAN ZELLER: Do you
have it right now?
799
00:38:29,974 --> 00:38:34,437
So you still don't trust me?
800
00:38:35,438 --> 00:38:37,148
PANCHO: I don't trust nobody.
801
00:38:37,148 --> 00:38:38,525
VAN ZELLER: Why did you
agree to do this interview?
802
00:38:38,525 --> 00:38:40,151
And I'm going give
you the gun back.
803
00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:42,862
PANCHO: 'Cause I don't give
a (bleep) about nothing.
804
00:38:44,072 --> 00:38:45,406
VAN ZELLER: So what,
what would you say then
805
00:38:45,406 --> 00:38:48,034
is the major business of
the club that you're,
806
00:38:48,034 --> 00:38:49,786
that you belong to?
807
00:38:49,786 --> 00:38:51,621
PANCHO: Narcotics.
808
00:38:51,621 --> 00:38:54,082
VAN ZELLER: Finally,
after months of trying,
809
00:38:54,082 --> 00:38:56,334
I find a biker who's
willing to talk about
810
00:38:56,334 --> 00:38:58,378
what no one other
One Percenter would,
811
00:38:59,128 --> 00:39:02,507
the criminal side of
motorcycle clubs.
812
00:39:11,683 --> 00:39:14,394
♪ ♪
813
00:39:14,394 --> 00:39:16,187
VAN ZELLER: What, what
drugs are we talking about?
814
00:39:16,187 --> 00:39:21,234
PANCHO: Oh, it's everything from
weed, cocaine, glass, heroin.
815
00:39:22,026 --> 00:39:24,487
You name it, we do it all.
816
00:39:25,488 --> 00:39:29,033
There's a bunch of, bunch of
guys that just love to ride
817
00:39:29,033 --> 00:39:31,202
and want to be part of the club.
818
00:39:31,202 --> 00:39:35,456
And there's others like
myself that love to get money
819
00:39:35,456 --> 00:39:37,250
and love that life.
820
00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:38,626
And that's what we do.
821
00:39:39,127 --> 00:39:41,045
VAN ZELLER: How much
money do you make?
822
00:39:41,045 --> 00:39:42,881
PANCHO: A lot.
823
00:39:43,256 --> 00:39:46,134
VAN ZELLER:
I push for details about
their operation and how they
824
00:39:46,134 --> 00:39:50,555
work with the Mexican cartels.
825
00:39:50,555 --> 00:39:52,765
So, it's sort of a
working farm here?
826
00:39:52,765 --> 00:39:56,185
DAMIEN: Yes.
This is where we started.
827
00:39:59,814 --> 00:40:02,734
VAN ZELLER:
The property is both a
marijuana grow and a stash house
828
00:40:02,734 --> 00:40:05,028
for whatever
else might pass through.
829
00:40:06,362 --> 00:40:09,574
This man oversees the operation
for his cartel bosses,
830
00:40:09,574 --> 00:40:11,117
south of the border.
831
00:40:11,492 --> 00:40:13,870
These are getting
ready to be harvested?
832
00:40:13,870 --> 00:40:17,916
DAMIEN: Yes. Three more weeks.
VAN ZELLER: Three more weeks?
DAMIEN: Yes.
833
00:40:19,167 --> 00:40:20,835
VAN ZELLER: So, you work
with these guys a lot?
834
00:40:20,835 --> 00:40:22,462
PANCHO: I do, yeah.
835
00:40:22,462 --> 00:40:24,464
Myself and my people.
836
00:40:25,173 --> 00:40:27,926
VAN ZELLER: They do the
production side and you
guys do the transporting?
837
00:40:27,926 --> 00:40:29,719
PANCHO: Yeah.
838
00:40:32,263 --> 00:40:34,557
DAMIEN: This is where we
pack it, where we trim it,
839
00:40:37,310 --> 00:40:38,770
where we weigh it.
840
00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:40,730
VAN ZELLER: Wow, the smell
is super, super strong here.
841
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:42,523
So this is the flower that's
been harvested already?
842
00:40:42,523 --> 00:40:45,485
DAMIEN: Correct.
VAN ZELLER: Trimmed?
DAMIEN: Yes.
843
00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:49,030
VAN ZELLER: Ooh, it smells good.
844
00:40:49,822 --> 00:40:51,532
I don't think most people
know that you guys
845
00:40:51,532 --> 00:40:53,117
are running an
operation like this.
846
00:40:53,117 --> 00:40:55,787
Just right here, out
in Southern California.
847
00:40:55,787 --> 00:40:57,872
DAMIEN: This is just us,
but there's a lot more.
848
00:41:01,209 --> 00:41:04,420
PANCHO: I've got a network of
guys that get the merchandise
849
00:41:04,420 --> 00:41:09,008
from these gentlemen and we
distribute it throughout the US.
850
00:41:11,177 --> 00:41:13,596
VAN ZELLER: Where do
these drugs go to usually?
851
00:41:13,596 --> 00:41:15,306
DAMIEN: Most of it
goes on the street.
852
00:41:15,306 --> 00:41:17,600
A lot of it goes to
the different states.
853
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,602
The further, the
more expensive it is.
854
00:41:20,770 --> 00:41:22,939
PANCHO:
There's plugs everywhere.
855
00:41:24,357 --> 00:41:26,734
VAN ZELLER: Why do you guys
like to work with the bikers?
856
00:41:26,734 --> 00:41:28,903
DAMIEN: Like, they're not
afraid of the cops, you know?
857
00:41:28,903 --> 00:41:31,155
They're ruthless pretty much.
858
00:41:31,572 --> 00:41:33,908
VAN ZELLER:
Yes, even the Mexican cartels
859
00:41:33,908 --> 00:41:36,577
think One Percenters
are ruthless.
860
00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:39,122
Does the club leaders
know that you do this
861
00:41:39,122 --> 00:41:40,498
and that the members
of the club do this?
862
00:41:40,498 --> 00:41:41,708
PANCHO: Yes.
863
00:41:41,708 --> 00:41:42,750
VAN ZELLER: Do they
make a cut out of it?
864
00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:44,043
PANCHO: Of course, yeah.
865
00:41:44,043 --> 00:41:45,211
VAN ZELLER: Do they
make good money?
866
00:41:45,211 --> 00:41:47,547
PANCHO: Everybody eats.
867
00:41:48,214 --> 00:41:51,259
There's shot callers and
there's people underneath.
868
00:41:51,843 --> 00:41:55,471
They move other people,
and so on, and so on.
869
00:41:56,597 --> 00:41:59,183
That's how you take care of your
family and live the good life.
870
00:42:00,059 --> 00:42:03,104
Even if it's in this,
doing this dirty (bleep).
871
00:42:05,815 --> 00:42:07,608
VAN ZELLER:
It does make sense,
872
00:42:07,608 --> 00:42:10,570
what better business partners
for Mexican narco traffickers
873
00:42:10,570 --> 00:42:14,907
than loyal, tight‐lipped, road
trip‐loving American outlaws
874
00:42:16,409 --> 00:42:19,245
with local chapters
crisscrossing a country
875
00:42:19,245 --> 00:42:24,167
that spends nearly $150 billion
a year on illegal drugs?
876
00:42:25,752 --> 00:42:27,587
(gunshots)
877
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,923
I'm not saying every
One Percenter is involved,
878
00:42:30,923 --> 00:42:33,468
but wherever serious
cash is being made,
879
00:42:33,468 --> 00:42:35,470
serious trouble follows.
880
00:42:35,928 --> 00:42:37,972
Why is there so much
hatred between clubs?
881
00:42:37,972 --> 00:42:40,975
PANCHO: It's, it goes deep.
It goes deep.
882
00:42:40,975 --> 00:42:43,102
VAN ZELLER:
Is it a territory thing?
883
00:42:43,102 --> 00:42:45,605
I mean, the fact that you're,
assuming that you're controlling
884
00:42:45,605 --> 00:42:47,815
the trafficking
happening in this area.
885
00:42:47,815 --> 00:42:49,942
PANCHO: It's all
about territory.
886
00:42:49,942 --> 00:42:51,819
That's all it is.
887
00:42:51,819 --> 00:42:54,030
You got to stick
with your brothers.
888
00:42:54,322 --> 00:42:56,449
And if they say,
"Let's go to war,"
889
00:42:56,449 --> 00:42:58,659
we're going to go to war.
890
00:42:59,035 --> 00:43:00,661
VAN ZELLER: To go to war,
891
00:43:00,661 --> 00:43:01,954
meaning you'd have
to kill other people,
you would do that?
892
00:43:01,954 --> 00:43:04,582
PANCHO: Whatever it takes.
893
00:43:10,546 --> 00:43:12,590
KOZLOWSKI: A lot
of organizations in
the criminal world
894
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:16,010
don't advertise in
the open who they are.
895
00:43:16,761 --> 00:43:18,596
Motorcycle gangs do.
896
00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:23,101
Even a part of me felt empowered
when I got fully patched.
897
00:43:23,101 --> 00:43:26,771
You get that sense
that you have power.
898
00:43:29,524 --> 00:43:33,569
VAN ZELLER: Most outlaws
I've met live in the shadows,
899
00:43:33,569 --> 00:43:35,738
but not these guys.
900
00:43:36,781 --> 00:43:39,534
They're bold enough to tell
us exactly who they are.
901
00:43:41,285 --> 00:43:44,497
VAN ZELLER: And dare us
to do something about it.
902
00:43:45,373 --> 00:43:48,084
PANCHO: It's just
dangerous (bleep).
903
00:43:48,084 --> 00:43:50,128
You could die at any given time.
904
00:43:50,128 --> 00:43:52,004
For any given reason.
905
00:43:52,839 --> 00:43:54,632
VAN ZELLER: Do you
think you'll continue doing it?
906
00:43:54,632 --> 00:43:57,593
PANCHO: I've been
doing it (bleep) my life.
907
00:43:57,593 --> 00:44:00,346
I'll do it until I'm
laid in the casket.
908
00:44:01,848 --> 00:44:06,269
(engines revving)
909
00:44:06,644 --> 00:44:08,271
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