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500 quid, Mum. Come on!
It's not like you can't afford it.
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Seeing as it's you. Hang on, Mum.
If you give me Regent Street,
I'll let you off the 1,200.
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But on condition you don't sell
Trafalgar Square to Granny.
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I'll give you �1,000, Janet,
for Trafalgar Square.
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Let me off 1,200, give me 500 cash
and I won't sell HER Trafalgar
Square. And I get Regent Street?
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And you get Regent Street. Done!
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That's just petty,
small-minded insider dealing.
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Hello.
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Sorry...
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I'm...
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Helen.
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I... The woman up the road
told me you lived here and...
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Sorry.
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I wondered if I could talk to you.
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What's it to do with?
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My, erm...
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father.
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The house.
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I think my brother...
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is in there.
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Buried under the f...
under the floor.
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In the cellar.
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So how long's she had this idea
he was there?
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Ever since she helped Joe bury him
33 years ago, when she was 13.
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He said...
He said they'd had a fight
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and he'd accidentally hit him,
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harder than he meant to.
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Smacked his head against a wall.
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He made me... help him,
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then... he said I couldn't
tell anyone... about it.
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Because, if I did...
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I'd be in as much trouble as him.
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But then, over the years, I half
convinced meself it never happened...
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and that I'd dreamt it,
made it up, imagined it.
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So... I just...
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I wanted to look. I wanted to know.
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We searched the cellar, presumably,
when Eunice got battered.
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Sure, but we were looking
for a murder weapon, not bodies.
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She's odd, Helen, but who wouldn't
be. I didn't disbelieve her.
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We should take it seriously.
We hit brick walls every time
we try to trace Michael,
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which is odd, not to find out
a damn thing about somebody
other than they were born.
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Same with Sheila, the elder sister.
Right.
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I'll pull in the CSM, Forensics and
the officer from the original job.
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I'll ring the Resource Center,
see if we can have a poke
about in the cellar.
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Is it worth taking Helen down there?
God no! She offered to pinpoint
where she - She offered? Yeah.
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If you do find anything, you'll
be cautioning her for concealing
a burial. But SHE'S the victim.
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Personally, I'd say the dead
brother, if he's there,
is the victim.
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We don't want her contaminating it.
We want to prove she's been in there
before, even 33 years ago.
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Did you not get her
to draw you a diagram?
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I can give her a ring.
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Oh, do you remember
Frankie Waddington? No.
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Right. His son is on a fast-track.
He's called Rob Waddington.
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He's lovely. He's just like Frankie.
He's going to be our new sergeant.
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You'll love him. When he smiles,
it's like the sun coming out. I want
to be his mother. How nutty is that?
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OK! Well, I don't mean that
literally, obviously.
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He tried it on with me a few times,
did Frankie. He did with everyone.
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But the feeling was never mutual.
Frankie? Frankie Waddington.
Hands everywhere.
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Bless. Rob is arriving at 12.
Show him the ropes. Bring him
up to speed on all the jobs.
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He is wet behind the ears, but he
sailed through his sergeant's exams.
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We need to bear in mind he'll be
ACPO rank within ten or 11 years,
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so let's try and rise to the occasion.
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Me mother moved in yesterday.
Oh, good.
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Her house was on the market for
three weeks. She's had two offers.
How long's ours been on for?
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Seven months and not a dickybird.
I know.
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We can't afford to ask less.
We're already in negative equity.
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Whereas, her and me dad gave �2,000
for that house in 1972.
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So it's a snip for somebody,
what she's asking. Yeah, course.
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The idea was, in my head,
she'd move in.
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She'd be there to cook tea
and look after the girls,
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not that they need looking after
so much now, but if
I'm ever on lates or...
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Plus, I could keep an eye
on her, since her operation,
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and, in my head, with that extra bit
of support at home, I could...
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Could what?
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Rise to the challenge of this...
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being a sergeant.
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Oh, right. So what? Are you going
to do it properly, permanently
full-time?
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Well, no, because she's appointed
somebody else. Frankie Waddington's
lad. Who's Frankie Waddington?
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Oh, he's this old DCI.
Last of the old school.
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That doesn't mean that his boy is...
No. He could be... Yep.
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Not that Frankie wasn't nice.
Old school.
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So... did Godzilla know that was
the plan with your mother? No. No.
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I kept telling her
I didn't want the job.
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Only now I'm thinking that extra bit
of cash has been coming in handy
every month.
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Right. Well, you mistimed that one
then, didn't you? She's not psychic.
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I'm 49 years old and I live
with my mother. That doesn't
sound good, does it?
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So, Sheila - the sister,
the one that never turned up -
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is she buried in the cellar as well?
It makes you wonder, don't it?
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Strictly speaking, your mother's
living with you, so that doesn't
sound AS crap, does it?
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I wasn't even trying that hard
in the exam.
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Cos, to be honest, there's no future
in it, is there? Well... The police.
Not under this government.
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And, to be frank with you, with this
bias towards... women.
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Yes! Some of us dare say it. People,
hard working, dedicated, like me,
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are always going to be at a
disadvantage, and this place
is the worst!
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She has it in for me because I'm
a bloke. She, more or less, told me.
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She said, "Are you sure MIT is
the right place for you, Kevin?"
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And Rachel, who hasn't got two brain
cells to keep each other company,
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she's like flavor of the month,
EVERY day. Ain't she?
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Hiya. I'm Rob Waddington,
the new sergeant. Oh!
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Janet Scott, acting sergeant.
How do you do?
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Where's Gill? She went out with...
Is it Denice? ...the CSM on the Eunice
Bevan job and a couple of others.
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Have you met everyone? Well...
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We've got a big court case on...
It's the Doreen Blake murder.
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78 years old. Two teenage girls,
13 and 14, suffocated her,
trussed her up,
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wedged her in a wheelie bin
and dropped her in the canal.
Sorry. Excuse me.
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DC Bailey. Rachel.
Nice to meet you.
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Hello. They've opened up
that house on Peverall Street.
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There's a bobby standing on guard
at the gate. Oh, OK.
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I'm just keeping you up to speed.
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Good. Right.
Well, thanks for that!
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Oh, I'm more than happy.
I'll let you know if there's
any developments.
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Still I expect you'll know ahead of me.
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It's possible.
Well, keep me informed!
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Roger. Copy that. Over and out.
Ta-ta.
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Sorry. Me mother!
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Yeah. She lives with her mother.
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Just come inside. How many?
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'Hello. Mary Jackson.'
Mary. Good afternoon. It's Gill.
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Murray. MIT. Yeah.
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I've got something
that might interest you.
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The Eunice Bevan job, Peverall Street.
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We found human remains in the cellar.
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Unless we've unearthed somebody
with three hands, we're looking
at more than one body.
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What's going on? Don't know.
Oh, what the hell is she doing here?
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Don't know.
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Good evening. Thank you all
for staying behind.
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I wouldn't have asked you to do so
unless something significant
was going down.
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It's starting to look
very much like it is.
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Last night, Helen Bartlett -
Eunice and Joe Bevan's daughter -
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alerted us to the fact that she,
under duress, she's telling us,
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was forced to assist her father
in burying her brother, Michael,
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in the cellar at their house on
Peverall Street 33 years ago.
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This afternoon, we found, in the
cellar, the remains of two bodies.
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Wasn't there a sister - Sheila?
Yes. However, Professor Jackson...
Scary Mary!
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Professor Jackson attended the scene
and examined the remains
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and she concluded that what we'd
found was, in fact, the bodies
of two male adults,
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which wasn't exactly
what we'd anticipated.
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Both somewhere between the ages
of 17 and 25.
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As a result, and in consultation
with the head of MIT
and the Assistant Chief Con,
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we have taken the decision to
excavate the rest of the cellar.
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This is going to take several days,
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but, meanwhile, we are starting
the investigation
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into what appears, at the least,
to be a double murder.
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As such, it's been categorized
as a Class A-plus,
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so Detective Superintendent Dodson
is going to be the SIO on this one
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and I am going to be the Deputy SIO.
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So, if you've got any questions...
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So we are anticipating finding other
bodies? Presumably, that's why
we're excavating.
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OK. Along with the fact that, once we
realized there were two bodies there,
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along with the fact that we were
anticipating Sheila Bevan being one
of them, and she clearly isn't,
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what was found in the grave, along
with the remains, were ligatures.
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Short lengths of rope. Three so far.
There may be more once the forensic
archaeologist is finished.
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They're all approximately
12, 14 inches long
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and we're anticipating that they
could have been used to restrain
the victims.
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We've also found no zips or buttons
in the grave, suggesting when they
were buried, they were naked.
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We're potentially looking
at something very macabre
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and with wide-reaching
repercussions here.
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So, yes, sadly, we are anticipating
the possibility of finding
other remains.
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Needless to say, the media will be
all over this big time and soon.
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I want you to be ready for them.
Nothing discussed in this building
goes outside this building.
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I know you know that,
but let's be clear.
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The only person talking to the media
will be the Assistant Chief Con.
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Is the search confined to the
cellar? At the moment, yes.
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As that goes on, there's three
areas we need to focus on.
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Helen Bartlett needs to be brought in
and interviewed properly
under caution.
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Subsequent to that... Are we treating
Helen as a witness or a suspect?
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Good question and the answer,
at this stage, is I don't know.
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We've got to caution her.
She's admitted committing
a criminal offence.
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But... Depending on what information
we get from Helen we'll then talk
to her father, Joe Bevan.
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He's on remand in Strangeways,
so we can bide our time. He's not
going anywhere any time soon.
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The other main line of inquiry,
of course, is identifying the two
sets of remains we have unearthed.
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DNA will tell us whether
one of them is Michael, but -
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As regards the other,
we have very little to go on.
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When I say "very little", what
I actually mean is, erm, nothing.
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Rob seems nice. Who?
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The new sergeant. Oh!
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Yeah.
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Hello, Helen. Can we come in?
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Helen, based on the information
you gave me last night,
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some of our colleagues have
excavated part of the cellar at your
parents' house in Peverall Street
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and we have found something.
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I have to tell you at this time,
largely for your own protection,
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you're going to be interviewed
under caution and I'm arresting you
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for the unlawful burial
of your brother, Michael. What?!
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You don't have to say anything,
but it may harm your defense if
you do not mention, when questioned,
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something you rely on
in court. Helen, we'll get
to the bottom of this.
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We're talking to your father very
soon, but we have procedures
we have to follow
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when someone's admitted
committing a criminal offence.
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I didn't have to tell you anything.
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I don't know why I was there,
on my own with him,
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in the house in the middle
of the day. I don't know
where she was - me mother.
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Perhaps it was a Saturday.
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I had my school uniform on.
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I must have come home for
some reason. I don't know why
I remember that, but I do.
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So he was on his own in the house.
Where was he?
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The cellar door was open,
which was odd.
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Normally, it was locked.
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Nobody ever went down into the cellar.
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What happened?
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I don't know. Just...
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Next thing, I remember
being in the cellar with him.
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Had you never been down there
before? No.
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And he was saying it was
an accident and...
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What was it like in the cellar?
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Dark. You must have been intrigued
if no-one was ever allowed down.
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Frightened.
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What was it like down there?
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He just had a torch. I don't know.
Wasn't there a proper light?
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I assumed it didn't work.
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Go on.
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He said it was an accident and...
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it was Michael's fault
for arguing and...
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Did you see Michael?
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He was wrapped in a... curtain...
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in an old curtain.
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How did you know it was him?
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Because me dad told me.
Did you see him?
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No.
218
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Did you see his face?
I didn't want to look.
219
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But you had no doubt it was Michael?
220
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No.
221
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Me dad said they'd argued and
Michael said he was leaving and...
222
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me dad wouldn't let him.
223
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So, erm, the hole in the cellar,
224
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the... grave, had already been dug?
225
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Yeah.
226
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Me dad made me...
227
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put the earth...
228
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He made me...
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I had to...
230
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cover him up...
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with dirt.
232
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And I remember thinking,
"I'm glad it's me..."
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"I'm glad it's me doing this.
234
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At least he's being covered up
by somebody who loves him.
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Not by him."
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The bastard!
237
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Did you tell anyone? No.
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Ever?
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You.
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OK.
241
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We're going to take a five-minute
break there, Helen.
242
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This interview is being suspended...
243
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Why DIDN'T she tell someone sooner?
244
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When I was ten this girl
kicked me in the fanny.
245
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Some scuzzy bitch from another school.
246
00:16:46,055 --> 00:16:49,495
I felt so ridiculous, so humiliated,
247
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I pretended I'd been kicked in the
stomach when the grown-ups arrived.
248
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Some things you can't say,
even when you know the words.
249
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Yeah, but 30-odd years?
250
00:16:58,975 --> 00:17:03,135
How's she coming across to you?
Early to say. She worries me.
251
00:17:03,175 --> 00:17:06,975
Why? It just the timing. Sitting
on the information for so long.
252
00:17:07,015 --> 00:17:12,255
So why now? If she didn't know
the words, why has she come up
with them now?
253
00:17:12,295 --> 00:17:15,855
Ma'am, you've just had a call
from Denice, the CSM.
254
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She says the GPR shows other
sites in the cellar where
the ground's been disturbed.
255
00:17:20,175 --> 00:17:25,215
Good God! And there's a DNA match
with Joe and Eunice with
the first set of remains -
256
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the one that was on top, but there's
no matches for the second one.
257
00:17:29,855 --> 00:17:33,735
It'd have been a miracle if it
had been. Ask Denice to come in.
258
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Ask her to stand the lads digging
down till tomorrow,
259
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while we work out the order
to approach things.
260
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I'll need a structural engineer.
Don't want the house to start
sagging or I'll be bollocked.
261
00:17:44,255 --> 00:17:48,575
Right, we need to make a decision,
one way or the other, about Helen.
262
00:17:48,615 --> 00:17:54,295
Surely, she's more use as
a witness. As SOON as she got that
key she went straight round there.
263
00:17:54,335 --> 00:17:57,015
What would she have done
if she'd got in?
264
00:17:57,055 --> 00:18:02,255
Was she scared the house would
sell when her dad was sent down
and somebody would find the body?
265
00:18:02,295 --> 00:18:05,655
Was there something she wanted
to remove that implicates her?
266
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Then she gets there, realizes
there's nothing she can do.
267
00:18:08,975 --> 00:18:14,495
She can't get inside to move
any evidence, so she thinks
she'd better admit to something,
268
00:18:14,535 --> 00:18:19,415
concoct a story, damage limitation
before somebody does move in
and finds... whatever.
269
00:18:19,455 --> 00:18:24,935
And look at these two lassies
I've got in court right now.
13 and 14 years old,
270
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and they both knew damn well
what they were doing. Mm.
271
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Get back in there with her.
Disclose that we found more than
one body. See how she reacts.
272
00:18:38,015 --> 00:18:43,335
Would it surprise you, Helen,
if I told you that, earlier today,
while excavating the cellar,
273
00:18:43,375 --> 00:18:47,215
we found the remains
of more than one person?
274
00:18:51,975 --> 00:18:54,975
Not our Sheila?
275
00:18:55,015 --> 00:18:58,015
Do you think Sheila
might be buried down there?
276
00:19:02,415 --> 00:19:06,735
At the moment, what we've found
are the remains of two
young male adults.
277
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One of them we're assuming, subject
to DNA analysis, is Michael.
278
00:19:11,295 --> 00:19:12,615
Correct.
279
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The other one, we don't know.
280
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So it's not... not Sheila?
281
00:19:21,495 --> 00:19:24,255
No, it's not Sheila.
282
00:19:24,295 --> 00:19:27,975
Who is it, then? We don't know yet.
283
00:19:28,015 --> 00:19:30,415
She's a witness. Mm.
284
00:19:38,695 --> 00:19:42,695
Right. I'm going to speak to the
CPS first thing in the morning
285
00:19:42,735 --> 00:19:47,375
and suggest to them that it isn't
in the public interest to charge
Helen Bartlett.
286
00:19:47,415 --> 00:19:51,575
Early indications from the site
suggest we are looking at
more human remains.
287
00:19:51,615 --> 00:19:54,775
If that is the case,
the workload will go stellar
288
00:19:54,815 --> 00:19:58,895
and I'll be bringing in a whole other
syndicate to work alongside you.
289
00:19:58,935 --> 00:20:04,255
Tomorrow morning, first thing,
we will be going into Strangeways
and arresting Joe Bevan,
290
00:20:04,295 --> 00:20:07,785
so go home, get some sleep. I want
you here at 7:00am. Night-night.
291
00:20:08,728 --> 00:20:13,448
Two days ago, one of our officers was
informed by a member of the public
292
00:20:13,488 --> 00:20:19,268
that she had reason to believe
that there were human remains
buried in a house on Peverall Street,
293
00:20:19,366 --> 00:20:21,526
in the Littlewood area of Oldham.
294
00:20:21,566 --> 00:20:25,286
I can confirm they are the remains
of two young, adult males.
295
00:20:25,326 --> 00:20:30,606
During the course of the morning,
officers from MMP's
Major Incident Team
296
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will be going into Strangeways Prison
in Manchester to make an arrest.
297
00:20:56,486 --> 00:20:58,886
Are you all right?
298
00:21:00,175 --> 00:21:01,655
Rachel?
299
00:21:03,095 --> 00:21:05,375
My brother's in here.
300
00:21:23,735 --> 00:21:27,775
Can you confirm that Joseph Bevan's
daughter Helen Bartlett
has been arrested?
301
00:21:27,815 --> 00:21:31,775
I'll be making further statements
when we have something to tell you.
302
00:21:31,815 --> 00:21:36,895
And there will be an opportunity
to ask questions at some
point later today.
303
00:21:40,415 --> 00:21:44,895
Where have they got Helen Bartlett's
name from? How do they know
we arrested her?
304
00:21:44,935 --> 00:21:49,935
I don't know, ma'am.
That isn't going to help you
when you speak to the CPS.
305
00:21:51,815 --> 00:21:57,455
What our senior investigating
officer is prepared to do, Helen,
306
00:21:57,519 --> 00:22:01,079
is to ask the CPS to drop
the charges against you.
307
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:06,599
In return, we'd like an account of
everything you can remember that
ever went on in that house.
308
00:22:06,639 --> 00:22:10,879
OK. We can't guarantee the CPS
will drop the charges.
309
00:22:10,919 --> 00:22:15,719
We think they will. If they don't,
if they insist on taking you
to trial,
310
00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:19,719
there are things we can do.
We can get it to court quickly.
311
00:22:19,759 --> 00:22:24,159
We can ask the judge for leniency
in light of you having co-operated.
312
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I want to help. OK.
313
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,159
I, erm...
314
00:22:29,199 --> 00:22:32,519
I want to take you back
to when you were 15.
315
00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:37,519
When we were investigating
your mother's death,
316
00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:43,279
you said you hadn't seen her
since you were 15, that you left
the house when you were 15.
317
00:22:43,319 --> 00:22:47,819
Can you remember what happened that
made you leave when you were 15?
318
00:22:47,917 --> 00:22:49,037
Yeah.
319
00:22:51,077 --> 00:22:53,237
We met Gerry.
320
00:22:53,277 --> 00:22:55,517
Gerry McGonagal.
321
00:22:57,117 --> 00:23:00,197
They've uncovered a third body,
underneath the second one.
322
00:23:00,237 --> 00:23:06,237
Denice has just rung. I phoned Mary.
She said she can meet you there
at Peverall Street in 35 minutes.
323
00:23:06,277 --> 00:23:10,877
They've not established
a cause of death on the bodies
we turned up yesterday,
324
00:23:10,917 --> 00:23:14,677
but there are some indications
of dismemberment. How'd it go?
325
00:23:14,717 --> 00:23:20,397
Fine, except they know we've arrested
Helen Bartlett, which Karen had
skillfully avoided mentioning.
326
00:23:20,437 --> 00:23:22,237
Journalists!
327
00:23:22,917 --> 00:23:27,637
I'm standing... where
the bodies... have been dug up.
328
00:23:27,677 --> 00:23:30,157
We've no idea how many there are.
329
00:23:30,197 --> 00:23:32,757
We're hoping... might come forward...
330
00:23:34,877 --> 00:23:36,997
Ma'am, good afternoon.
Rob, it's Gill.
331
00:23:37,037 --> 00:23:41,117
We've had a few developments. I
thought I'd bring you up to speed.
332
00:23:41,157 --> 00:23:46,117
Yeah. Erm, we've exposed the other
two sites that show disturbance
on the GPR
333
00:23:46,157 --> 00:23:49,437
and we're looking at the remains
of four further bodies. Yeah.
334
00:23:49,477 --> 00:23:53,077
Seven in total.
Professor Jackson's down there now.
335
00:23:53,117 --> 00:23:56,717
On initial inspection,
she's suggesting they're all
young, adult males.
336
00:23:56,757 --> 00:23:57,917
Yeah.
337
00:23:57,957 --> 00:24:01,437
No. No Sheila.
All similar to the others.
338
00:24:01,477 --> 00:24:04,837
Ligatures... Did she?
Evidence of dismemberment.
No evidence of clothing.
339
00:24:04,877 --> 00:24:08,877
I'm not going to remove the
remains to the lab till after dark.
340
00:24:08,917 --> 00:24:13,477
We've got increasing numbers
of photographers and rubbernecks
gathering outside.
341
00:24:13,517 --> 00:24:16,157
OK. I believe so. Yes.
342
00:24:16,197 --> 00:24:19,797
Where are we up to interviewing Joe?
Rachel's just gone in with him.
343
00:24:19,837 --> 00:24:22,437
DC Bailey's just gone in with him,
ma'am.
344
00:24:22,477 --> 00:24:25,677
Yes, I have spoken to the CPS
regarding Helen.
345
00:24:25,717 --> 00:24:28,717
They've asked for a few hours
to think things through.
346
00:24:28,757 --> 00:24:34,077
Helen Bartlett's being extremely
co-operative. But Helen Bartlett's
being extremely co-operative.
347
00:24:34,117 --> 00:24:39,117
Good. Yeah. I will indeed.
Thank you, ma'am. Bye-bye.
348
00:24:39,157 --> 00:24:41,437
Perfect! Thank you. Good lad. Ta-ta.
349
00:24:41,477 --> 00:24:43,717
Look at me! I am...
350
00:24:44,997 --> 00:24:47,797
I'm shaking. I'm sweating.
351
00:24:47,837 --> 00:24:51,917
An hour in a cellar with four corpses
and I'm cool as a cucumber.
352
00:24:51,957 --> 00:24:55,837
30 seconds on the phone to Karen
Zalinski and I'm a nervous wreck.
353
00:24:55,877 --> 00:24:59,197
Look at me! What's going on?
You're ridiculous. Oh, sod off!
354
00:24:59,237 --> 00:25:04,757
Rob says Mitch remembered. Is it
just me? Does she not have this
effect on everyone? It's just you.
355
00:25:04,797 --> 00:25:08,317
Mitch remembered.
Mitch was the exhibits officer -
No, seriously. Seriously.
356
00:25:08,357 --> 00:25:10,837
The exhibits officer
when Eunice got battered.
357
00:25:10,877 --> 00:25:15,757
He remembered during the search
we picked up a box of old photos
and albums.
358
00:25:15,797 --> 00:25:18,757
Course they weren't especially
relevant when Eunice died.
359
00:25:18,797 --> 00:25:22,117
But now we're trying to identify
people connected with this family,
360
00:25:22,157 --> 00:25:25,997
should we get someone to go through
them, possibly with Helen?
Definitely.
361
00:25:26,037 --> 00:25:28,797
Good. And -
I'm not accepting it's just me.
362
00:25:28,837 --> 00:25:31,597
AND Comms have been inundated. Oh!
363
00:25:31,637 --> 00:25:35,957
People from all over the country
have had family go missing
in the last four decades.
364
00:25:35,997 --> 00:25:38,437
See? This is what I wanted to avoid.
365
00:25:38,477 --> 00:25:43,077
You can always rely on the media
for a bit of hysteria, can't you?
366
00:25:43,117 --> 00:25:48,877
Karen Zalinski's got a PhD
in clinical forensic psychology,
course she's scary.
367
00:25:48,917 --> 00:25:50,437
Thank you!
368
00:25:50,477 --> 00:25:53,477
If none of these bodies are
looking like they're Sheila,
369
00:25:53,517 --> 00:25:58,397
and we've already done a pretty
detailed search to this building
after Eunice died,
370
00:25:58,437 --> 00:26:00,717
are you thinking what I'm thinking?
371
00:26:00,757 --> 00:26:03,997
We're going to have to tear
the place apart.
372
00:26:04,037 --> 00:26:09,237
So, Joe, based on information
that we received two days ago,
373
00:26:09,277 --> 00:26:13,637
we undertook a search in your
cellar at Peverall Street.
374
00:26:13,677 --> 00:26:16,157
And then we started
excavating the floor.
375
00:26:16,197 --> 00:26:20,517
Can you tell me what you think
we might have found down there?
376
00:26:21,557 --> 00:26:22,797
No.
377
00:26:22,837 --> 00:26:24,077
OK.
378
00:26:25,997 --> 00:26:29,077
When did you move into that house,
Joe? Can you remember?
379
00:26:29,117 --> 00:26:32,277
1966. Year we won the World Cup.
380
00:26:32,317 --> 00:26:35,237
How old would Michael be then?
Mi...? Er...
381
00:26:35,277 --> 00:26:37,317
Oh, I don't...
382
00:26:37,357 --> 00:26:40,037
I don't... Seven, eight.
383
00:26:40,077 --> 00:26:43,157
And Sheila? How old would Sheila be?
Er...
384
00:26:43,197 --> 00:26:45,957
She were born in 19...
385
00:26:48,797 --> 00:26:50,917
60?
386
00:26:53,157 --> 00:26:56,557
Joe, how would you respond
if I told you
387
00:26:56,597 --> 00:27:01,077
that we'd found human remains
in the ground beneath the cellar
388
00:27:01,117 --> 00:27:03,917
in your house at Peverall Street?
389
00:27:03,957 --> 00:27:06,117
I don't know.
390
00:27:06,157 --> 00:27:08,397
You don't know?
391
00:27:09,597 --> 00:27:14,477
OK. Well, I have to tell you, Joe,
that we have found human remains
392
00:27:14,517 --> 00:27:19,917
and, through familial DNA,
we've identified that you
would appear to be...
393
00:27:21,357 --> 00:27:26,077
you ARE, the father of one
of the people that we've found
buried down there.
394
00:27:29,957 --> 00:27:32,997
Do you want to tell me
anything about that, Joe?
395
00:27:38,997 --> 00:27:39,997
Er...
396
00:27:40,997 --> 00:27:43,437
Are you making this up? No.
397
00:27:43,477 --> 00:27:45,957
Well, who are they?
398
00:27:45,997 --> 00:27:50,557
Well, as I say, one of them is one
of your children. Which one?
Michael.
399
00:27:50,597 --> 00:27:52,757
Your son, Michael.
400
00:27:56,517 --> 00:27:58,517
Michael.
401
00:28:01,837 --> 00:28:04,877
We never did know what happened
to Michael.
402
00:28:10,117 --> 00:28:15,317
So the last time Michael was seen,
apparently, you'd had an argument
with him.
403
00:28:15,357 --> 00:28:17,957
Do you want to tell me anything
about that? No!
404
00:28:17,997 --> 00:28:19,557
I...
405
00:28:20,557 --> 00:28:23,317
Who told you that? Our Helen?
406
00:28:24,957 --> 00:28:28,157
You know you can't believe
a bloody word she says?
407
00:28:28,197 --> 00:28:32,917
Can you tell me when you last saw
Michael? It were Eunice
he argued with.
408
00:28:32,957 --> 00:28:36,237
At it all the time.
I stayed out of it. Joe...
409
00:28:36,277 --> 00:28:40,597
Could you talk me through the last
time you saw Michael alive?
410
00:28:42,077 --> 00:28:43,717
No! I...
411
00:28:43,757 --> 00:28:46,517
I don't remember...
412
00:28:46,557 --> 00:28:48,597
specifically.
413
00:28:48,637 --> 00:28:52,757
How old would he have been
the last time you saw him?
414
00:28:52,797 --> 00:28:54,437
18, 19.
415
00:28:55,917 --> 00:28:59,157
Did you ever report him missing
to the police?
416
00:28:59,197 --> 00:29:01,757
We always thought he'd just
cleared off.
417
00:29:01,797 --> 00:29:04,437
We didn't think of him as missing.
418
00:29:05,437 --> 00:29:08,517
Joe, did you kill Michael?
419
00:29:19,477 --> 00:29:20,477
No.
420
00:29:20,517 --> 00:29:24,037
Do you know who did kill Michael?
No. Did you bury Michael?
421
00:29:25,317 --> 00:29:26,317
No.
422
00:29:26,357 --> 00:29:31,237
Do you know who did bury Michael
in your cellar at your house?
423
00:29:34,557 --> 00:29:37,397
Well, I wouldn't put it past our Helen.
424
00:29:37,437 --> 00:29:39,797
Or our Julie.
425
00:29:44,877 --> 00:29:46,917
Or Eunice.
426
00:29:49,917 --> 00:29:52,877
What makes you say that?
427
00:29:52,917 --> 00:29:55,597
Well, I know it wasn't me.
428
00:29:55,637 --> 00:29:58,517
Would you put it past your Sheila?
429
00:30:01,757 --> 00:30:04,037
Yes, yes. I...
430
00:30:07,557 --> 00:30:10,437
I don't think she would have done that.
431
00:30:12,757 --> 00:30:14,797
Why is that?
432
00:30:16,357 --> 00:30:19,117
Why is that, Joe?
433
00:30:20,317 --> 00:30:22,917
What was different about
your Sheila? Just...
434
00:30:25,837 --> 00:30:28,757
She wasn't nasty, same as them.
435
00:30:30,997 --> 00:30:34,877
Joe, how would you react
if I told you that Helen
436
00:30:34,917 --> 00:30:39,957
told us that as a 13-year-old she
came home from school early one day
437
00:30:39,997 --> 00:30:44,237
and found you in the cellar
with Michael, who was already dead?
438
00:30:47,197 --> 00:30:49,597
How would you react to that, Joe?
439
00:30:52,117 --> 00:30:55,597
That you told her that
you'd had an argument with him
440
00:30:55,637 --> 00:30:58,117
and you'd hit him harder
than you intended.
441
00:30:58,157 --> 00:31:03,117
And you'd smacked his head against
a wall in the kitchen and he'd died.
442
00:31:04,437 --> 00:31:06,757
What would your response be, Joe?
443
00:31:06,797 --> 00:31:09,117
She's a lying little bitch.
444
00:31:10,797 --> 00:31:13,597
She always was.
445
00:31:15,757 --> 00:31:18,917
Yeah! Any road,
if that was the case,
446
00:31:18,957 --> 00:31:22,717
why did she not come straight
to you lot, eh?
447
00:31:24,757 --> 00:31:27,637
And tell somebody...
448
00:31:27,677 --> 00:31:28,877
then...
449
00:31:28,917 --> 00:31:31,557
at the time, eh?
450
00:31:34,077 --> 00:31:36,557
She was 13 years old!
451
00:31:36,597 --> 00:31:38,917
She had a tongue in her head.
452
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:50,500
Later this afternoon, following the
discovery of the four further sets
of human remains,
453
00:31:50,540 --> 00:31:55,660
the decision was taken to conduct
a full forensic search of the
entire property.
454
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:59,140
This will be carried out
over the next few days.
455
00:31:59,180 --> 00:32:03,340
I can confirm a woman who has been
helping us with our inquiries
456
00:32:03,380 --> 00:32:05,620
was this afternoon
released without charge.
457
00:32:05,660 --> 00:32:10,580
That'll be her. That'll be Helen.
That woman that came round here
the other night.
458
00:32:10,620 --> 00:32:15,100
My God! So them bodies have been
in that house since, like,
459
00:32:15,140 --> 00:32:18,540
before we even moved in here.
Yeah! That's...
460
00:32:18,580 --> 00:32:19,820
Yeah.
461
00:32:19,860 --> 00:32:22,940
Since, like, before we were even born.
462
00:32:22,980 --> 00:32:28,700
Can you imagine growing up in
a house and there's people buried
in the cellar? He must be a right...
463
00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:32,060
bastard.
It's understood the
human remains unearthed today
464
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:36,620
will be removed from the house
later this evening and taken
to a pathology lab...
465
00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:39,740
I might just pop out
and buy the Evening News.
466
00:32:39,780 --> 00:32:43,660
The onerous task that now lies
ahead for the Manchester
Metropolitan...
467
00:32:47,660 --> 00:32:49,900
How have they got hold of this?
468
00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:54,060
How the HELL on earth
have they got hold of this?!
469
00:32:55,220 --> 00:32:58,300
"Helen Bartlett, pictured, who the
police have released without charge,
470
00:32:58,340 --> 00:33:02,740
is known to have visited female
prostitutes in the Ardwick Road
area of Oldham."
471
00:33:02,780 --> 00:33:05,700
How do they know that?
Who's told 'em?
472
00:33:05,740 --> 00:33:08,660
Her? The prostitute?
I don't think so.
473
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:11,180
Someone's leaking information.
474
00:33:11,220 --> 00:33:16,180
A case this sensitive,
this high profile, and one of this
lot's taking backhanders!
475
00:33:16,220 --> 00:33:18,460
Yeah?
476
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:21,580
Ma'am, you wanted to know
when Gerry McGonagal turned up.
477
00:33:21,620 --> 00:33:24,300
He's downstairs.
DC Broadhurst's going in with him.
478
00:33:24,340 --> 00:33:29,500
I'm trying to work out a strategy
to prioritize interviewing people
who are ringing in with information.
479
00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:33,740
We have people from the
neighborhood, teachers who remember
the Bevan kids from school.
480
00:33:33,780 --> 00:33:38,220
People we should spend time
with, but I'm struggling with
the number of officers I've got.
481
00:33:38,260 --> 00:33:40,580
We could do with twice as many...
482
00:33:40,620 --> 00:33:43,980
You need to use the matrix grid.
Er, sorry, ma'am.
483
00:33:44,020 --> 00:33:48,660
Use Janet. Pick her brains.
It's what she's there for.
Yes, ma'am. Thank you.
484
00:33:49,580 --> 00:33:54,460
I can't imagine anyone on this team
would talk to someone in the media.
485
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:59,620
That's how they're going to get away
with it - that failure
of your imagination.
486
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:08,060
Sorry. I'm... I'm sorry.
That wasn't fair.
487
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:12,220
I'm just as disappointed as you are,
IF it's true.
488
00:34:23,140 --> 00:34:26,100
What's a matrix grid?
Apparently, I need one.
489
00:34:26,140 --> 00:34:30,900
You've kind of been thrown in at the
deep end with this one, haven't you?
490
00:34:30,940 --> 00:34:34,300
There's a fella been sitting
in reception for nearly two hours.
491
00:34:34,340 --> 00:34:39,780
Says he lodged at the Bevans'
house in the '70s. I haven't got
anyone to take his details.
492
00:34:39,820 --> 00:34:43,180
THAT would have been a priority.
What, you're going?
493
00:34:43,220 --> 00:34:46,620
I'll do it. You want me
to do it? Yeah, yeah! Go!
494
00:34:46,660 --> 00:34:49,180
What's his name?
Philip Cairns, I think.
495
00:34:49,220 --> 00:34:54,540
They said they thought he was
drunk - the lads on the desk. Shit!
496
00:34:58,260 --> 00:35:02,460
Mr. Cairns? Mr. Cairns.
I'm Detective Constable Scott.
497
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:06,020
Would you like to come through?
We can have a chat. Yeah.
498
00:35:12,460 --> 00:35:17,340
'So, Gerry, we understand that you
used to know Julie and Helen Bevan?
499
00:35:17,380 --> 00:35:19,820
Well, Helen Bartlett, as she is now.'
500
00:35:19,860 --> 00:35:22,580
Bartlett? Did she get married?
501
00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:25,260
No. No, she changed her name.
502
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:28,300
Yeah, I did know 'em.
How did you meet them?
503
00:35:28,340 --> 00:35:31,060
Woolworth's - I used to work there.
504
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:35,500
I caught Julie shoplifting
and it were love at first sight.
505
00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:40,500
I persuaded the boss to let her off.
Said I might have made
a mistake. I hadn't.
506
00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:44,500
Anyway, I got her phone number
and we started seeing each other.
507
00:35:44,540 --> 00:35:48,020
Then one day, she, erm,
turned up bruised.
508
00:35:48,060 --> 00:35:52,940
She said, "It's me dad." He knocked
'em about, both of 'em, and worse.
509
00:35:52,980 --> 00:35:55,860
You wouldn't believe the way
they lived.
510
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:58,700
Shit hole, and I have seen
some shit holes.
511
00:35:58,740 --> 00:36:01,740
I wanted to help her.
She were better than that.
512
00:36:01,780 --> 00:36:04,740
Well... I thought she was.
513
00:36:05,740 --> 00:36:09,060
But I guess if you've lived
like that for long enough.
514
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:11,380
What do you mean?
515
00:36:11,420 --> 00:36:15,980
I found this flat over Burnley
and we lived together for 18 months,
516
00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:19,940
but... I couldn't cope with her -
Julie.
517
00:36:19,980 --> 00:36:22,540
She were wild, violent.
518
00:36:22,580 --> 00:36:24,060
Drank.
519
00:36:25,340 --> 00:36:27,740
Obsessed with... sex.
520
00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:29,740
With anyone.
521
00:36:29,780 --> 00:36:34,580
That's what I mean. Why wouldn't you
be like that growing up the way
they had?
522
00:36:34,620 --> 00:36:38,340
Did you know Michael Bevan? No.
Did you ever see him?
523
00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:42,380
No, I was always told he'd gone,
moved out, cleared off.
524
00:36:42,420 --> 00:36:44,660
Who told you that?
525
00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:48,780
I don't know. They must have done -
Julie and Helen. I don't remember.
526
00:36:48,820 --> 00:36:52,900
What about Sheila?
They had an older sister.
527
00:36:52,940 --> 00:36:55,740
Same. Never saw her.
She cleared off.
528
00:36:55,780 --> 00:36:58,740
How did they talk about her?
529
00:36:58,780 --> 00:37:00,580
Just...
530
00:37:00,620 --> 00:37:03,900
They'd mention stuff she'd done,
stuff she'd said.
531
00:37:03,940 --> 00:37:07,340
She'd rowed with Joe and Eunice
and left. That was it.
532
00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:09,940
People didn't have mobile phones
then, did they?
533
00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:12,260
Didn't Facebook or Twitter.
534
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:16,380
They couldn't tell everybody
every time they farted,
even if they wanted to.
535
00:37:16,420 --> 00:37:20,580
So, no, it was just accepted that
she'd gone. And what about Helen?
536
00:37:20,620 --> 00:37:23,780
She moved in with us.
This flat in Burnley.
537
00:37:23,820 --> 00:37:26,140
Julie wouldn't go without Helen.
538
00:37:26,180 --> 00:37:30,060
They looked after each other.
They had to. Nobody else did.
539
00:37:31,060 --> 00:37:33,580
Helen were... different.
540
00:37:34,620 --> 00:37:37,020
I always felt sorry for her.
541
00:37:37,060 --> 00:37:42,060
Julie was noisy. She knew how
to get by, but Helen was quiet.
542
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:44,580
She had no chance there.
543
00:37:44,620 --> 00:37:48,460
She was just as mad as Julie,
deep down.
544
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:50,660
Drank, violent...
545
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:53,180
Sex. Inappropriate, you know.
546
00:37:53,220 --> 00:37:58,940
But... it took you longer to realize
somehow with Helen, with her
being so quiet.
547
00:38:06,220 --> 00:38:08,300
It weren't their fault.
548
00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:12,020
They were nutters, Joe and Eunice.
549
00:38:12,060 --> 00:38:13,900
Nasty.
550
00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:16,420
Horrible.
551
00:38:16,460 --> 00:38:18,980
They lived like pigs.
552
00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:22,260
I lodged there.
I was a lodger.
553
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:25,740
He took me in.
Joe? Joe Bevan?
554
00:38:25,780 --> 00:38:26,940
Mm.
555
00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:33,420
He picked me up behind
Piccadilly Station.
556
00:38:33,460 --> 00:38:36,500
It was a Monday night, dark.
557
00:38:36,540 --> 00:38:39,980
I had no money or nowhere to go.
558
00:38:40,020 --> 00:38:42,380
17 years old.
559
00:38:42,420 --> 00:38:46,340
He said he'd give me something
to eat and a bed for the night
560
00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:48,620
in exchange, obviously. For?
561
00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:50,420
Sex.
562
00:38:51,740 --> 00:38:55,380
I did report it at the time,
what happened after.
563
00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:58,180
What DID happen after?
564
00:38:58,220 --> 00:39:02,500
Well, I'd been there a few nights
and then...
565
00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:06,380
Well, one evening they got me drunk.
566
00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:09,300
Who did? Him and her.
567
00:39:09,340 --> 00:39:13,940
By "him" and "her" you mean...?
Joe and Eunice.
568
00:39:16,820 --> 00:39:20,300
I think, whatever I was drinking,
569
00:39:20,340 --> 00:39:22,700
they'd laced it with something,
570
00:39:22,740 --> 00:39:27,540
cos when I woke up,
eh, I felt like shit.
571
00:39:28,860 --> 00:39:32,300
And me arms were tied up.
572
00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:33,660
Naked.
573
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:35,420
Gagged.
574
00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:37,580
What happened?
575
00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:43,060
They used me.
576
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:47,020
Who did? All of 'em had a go.
They'd all come in and watch.
577
00:39:47,060 --> 00:39:49,620
Who? In where?
578
00:39:49,660 --> 00:39:52,420
All of them, down in the cellar.
579
00:39:52,460 --> 00:39:56,900
They all knew it was going on,
the little bitches.
580
00:39:56,940 --> 00:40:01,300
That one you arrested -
Helen, the one you let go -
581
00:40:01,340 --> 00:40:03,220
she knew.
582
00:40:03,260 --> 00:40:05,260
They all knew.
583
00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:09,260
Of course, I assumed I was
the only one they'd done it to.
584
00:40:10,620 --> 00:40:15,060
Only, now I'm realizing,
with all this stuff coming out...
585
00:40:16,660 --> 00:40:19,660
that I was lucky.
586
00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:22,860
I was the one that got away.
587
00:40:26,540 --> 00:40:29,500
He did report it at the time.
588
00:40:29,540 --> 00:40:35,020
It was 1977, January or February.
He remembers that it was cold,
anyway.
589
00:40:35,060 --> 00:40:40,580
He reported it to some tosser
in a uniform, who thought
that he'd made it up.
590
00:40:40,620 --> 00:40:44,220
He doesn't think anyone even went
and knocked on Joe Bevan's door,
591
00:40:44,260 --> 00:40:48,020
or, if they did,
they didn't get back to him.
592
00:40:48,060 --> 00:40:52,340
He was sexually tortured
over a period of several days.
593
00:40:52,380 --> 00:40:55,340
Erm, had the guts
to report it afterwards
594
00:40:55,380 --> 00:40:58,340
and then we, apparently, did nothing.
595
00:40:58,380 --> 00:41:01,980
And Helen and Julie were aware
of what was going on?
596
00:41:02,020 --> 00:41:05,380
Oh, more than aware.
According to him, they joined in.
597
00:41:05,420 --> 00:41:08,740
Under duress?
Well, that's not what he said.
598
00:41:08,780 --> 00:41:11,220
I think, from the way he describes it,
599
00:41:11,260 --> 00:41:15,780
that they were so inured
in the culture of the house
that they just, er...
600
00:41:15,820 --> 00:41:18,100
went along with it.
601
00:41:18,140 --> 00:41:22,780
But, if they did, then it begs
the question did they know
about the murders,
602
00:41:22,820 --> 00:41:25,260
even, were they involved in them?
603
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:29,260
Certainly, more than Helen's
indicated to us that she was.
604
00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:35,140
Let's see if we can get hold
of his statement...
605
00:41:35,180 --> 00:41:38,860
from 1970... Seven.
Whenever it was. Seven!
606
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:41,740
Let's see exactly what's in it.
607
00:42:08,340 --> 00:42:12,060
Hello. Mum, you should go to bed
when I'm working this late.
608
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:15,660
Well, I would have, but...
..we've got a visitor.
609
00:42:20,660 --> 00:42:23,500
Helen, what are you doing here?
610
00:42:23,540 --> 00:42:27,500
I didn't know where else
to go. She's been locked out.
611
00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:30,220
Louise, she saw the...
612
00:42:30,260 --> 00:42:31,700
paper.
613
00:42:33,340 --> 00:42:36,460
It was in the paper.
What was in the paper?
614
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:39,420
About me.
Helen, you shouldn't be here.
615
00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:44,740
How do they know that?
You must have told them.
616
00:42:44,780 --> 00:42:47,660
The police must... have told them.
617
00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:51,380
We wouldn't do that. We'd never
release information like that
to the press.
618
00:42:51,420 --> 00:42:53,500
Someone did.
619
00:42:53,540 --> 00:42:57,980
Helen, you can't stay here. I know
you have no other family, but...
620
00:42:58,020 --> 00:43:01,460
You must have friends, a friend,
someone.
621
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:03,780
I was going down the bus station.
622
00:43:03,820 --> 00:43:08,980
But they followed me, the reporters.
I asked them to leave me alone,
but they wouldn't.
623
00:43:09,020 --> 00:43:11,780
You should have gone to
a police station.
624
00:43:11,820 --> 00:43:16,660
Right! You think that's happening!
That's where we're going now.
Get your things.
625
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:19,700
I'm not going anywhere.
I'll contact Witness Protection.
626
00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:22,660
We'll try and sort you out a B&B.
627
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:24,940
I've got no money. Get your things.
628
00:43:24,980 --> 00:43:28,460
Why don't I just stay here?
Just tonight. It's warm.
629
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:31,500
No. It's inappropriate.
630
00:43:31,540 --> 00:43:34,500
I'm not going anywhere else.
631
00:43:37,380 --> 00:43:41,900
Where are the girls? In bed. Will
you go upstairs and stay with them?
632
00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:50,060
You think I'm dangerous.
I think you've had a lot to drink.
633
00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:54,500
I'm going to find you a B&B.
You don't have to worry about money.
634
00:43:54,540 --> 00:43:57,340
Sean! Hello. It's Janet.
635
00:43:57,380 --> 00:44:00,820
Sorry to be ringing so late.
Can I speak to Rachel?
636
00:44:00,860 --> 00:44:02,700
'She's not here.'
637
00:44:02,740 --> 00:44:06,580
Oh, right! She must have gone
for a drink with the lads.
638
00:44:06,620 --> 00:44:11,620
'Shall I get her to call you?'
No, no. I'll try her mobile.
639
00:44:11,660 --> 00:44:15,180
I'm being a nuisance!
You've had a lot to deal with.
640
00:44:15,220 --> 00:44:17,460
Hello.
641
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:20,940
Rach, can you come round to our house?
642
00:44:20,980 --> 00:44:23,620
Now? Why? I'm in bed. Are you?
643
00:44:23,660 --> 00:44:25,620
Yeah. 'Erm...'
644
00:44:25,660 --> 00:44:29,100
Helen's at my house.
She's got nowhere else to go.
645
00:44:29,140 --> 00:44:32,980
I don't want to ring 999.
She's had a bit to drink.
646
00:44:33,020 --> 00:44:39,180
You couldn't come round
and give me a bit of a lift?
We need to get her into a B&B.
647
00:44:39,220 --> 00:44:40,260
Uh!
648
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:41,740
Fine!
649
00:44:41,780 --> 00:44:44,260
Fine. Just give me 15 minutes.
650
00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:47,940
'Rach, whose bed ARE you in?'
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