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- Night.
- See you later.
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- Sorry, boss.
- Rachel! Give us a second, Sam.
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- Has Janet gone?
- Yeah.
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She had a GCSE meeting
at school with Elise.
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- Are you doing anything?
- Just dropping this lot
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of disclosure schedules off.
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You got anything on over
the next three or four days
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you can't wriggle out of?
Court appearances, anything?
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- No.
- You fancy a bit of overtime?
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- Yeah.
- Get that done,
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go home, pack a bag.
I'll pick you up in an hour.
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Yeah. Why, where we going?
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Cambridge. Ravenhill Prison.
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Then Bristol. North Avon!
It will all become clear.
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Sammy? Yep, so bins
out tomorrow night.
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Yes, I know you know that.
I'm telling you
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because you have to do and
because I'm not going to be there.
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Dom?
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Dom!
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Dom, I'm going away
for a couple of days...
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- Shit.
- Who the hell's that?
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I thought you said
no-one else'd be here.
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Fuck this.
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Are you going to introduce
me to your friend?
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- No, we... we were...
- I want my 20 quid back.
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Married. Are we?
I don't think so, pal.
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Can you remember where the
door is, or shall I show you?
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You're hurting me!
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I've got your registration
number, arsehole,
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so don't think I can't find out where
you live
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or every single thing there is
to know about you.
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- Have you done this before? Here?
- No.
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No. Two things.
I'm a police officer
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and you've just used my flat
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to sell sex in.
Do you understand that you can't do that?
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And number two...
what are you doing?
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What you doing?
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- Do you want me to go?
- No, Dom!
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I want you to get your
life back together!
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I was at a hotel, asking
about kitchen jobs.
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I was. Honest.
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Right. OK. Look. I'm...
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I'm going away for a
couple of days. So I...
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Shit.
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I don't know what you
had to do, Dom, in prison,
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to get by but this is the deal, right?
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That is in the past.
You're in my world now.
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If you're short for money then...
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then you talk to me.
Before you even dream
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about doing anything like
that ever again, right?
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Right. I'm going to be away,
so, God, I don't know...
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Can you promise me...
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Promise me...
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that you will try...
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to behave
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like you've got the
sense you were born with.
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Or I'll...
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I will ask you to leave, Dom.
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Because I'll be left with no choice.
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I just wanted to pay you
back for your kitchen.
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Have you had a HIV test?
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Does the name Jeremy Leach
ring any bells?
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Jeremy Leach?
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He raped and strangled three women
in the West Country,
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and one in Reading. Ten years ago?
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13 years ago.
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Sexually assaulted six women,
probably twice that many.
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All across the south.
But yeah,
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the court convicted him on the four
he raped and strangled.
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- So what are we...
- We're going to visit him.
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Those are for you.
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Leach?
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Wasn't he a total control freak?
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Control freak, psychopath, narcissist.
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It's all in there. When he
was caught, how he was caught,
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psychological reports.
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So why are we visiting him?
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Three weeks ago, just outside
Bristol a woman turned up dead.
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Yasmin Heaney.
She'd been raped and strangled.
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Whoever did it used an MO almost
identical to Jeremy Leach's.
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The details of which, for obvious
reasons,
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were never released to the press.
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For instance...
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he used cable ties to fasten
his victim's thumbs together.
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It's all in there, even
the victim profile fits.
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- White, 32-year-old professional.
- But it can't be him?
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It's unlikely. He's been tucked
up at Her Majesty's pleasure
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for the last thirteen years.
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He's not looking at parole till
2036, if ever.
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- So it's a copycat thing?
- Yeah.
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Didn't he get convicted
over a single thumb print?
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Not even that. It was
a partial thumb print.
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But enough to get his DNA.
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Did you catch him?
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It went across four
forces, including the Met,
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but yes, when I worked for the NPIA.
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Crime Faculty, as was.
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We got invited in.
They were desperate,
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they had nothing.
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He was clever.
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Nowhere near as clever as
he thought he was, of course.
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- They never are.
- So why are...
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He says he has information about
Yasmin's death.
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Because I went in
from the Crime Faculty,
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Leach doesn't know I was involved
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in the original investigation.
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My name will mean nothing to him.
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But why do you need me?
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I squared it with the boss.
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Can you read in a car
without being sick?
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I'd make a start. We'll
hit the hotel by eleven,
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then we're seeing him at nine
o'clock sharp tomorrow morning.
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I still don't know why you need me.
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I'm a Chief Inspector.
I haven't done an interview in ten years!
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Don't worry, I'll be there.
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- Hiya.
- What's happening with our Dom?
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Nothing. Why? What is
happening with our Dom?
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He's saying you've chucked him out.
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- I didn't chuck him out.
- Hey,
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I'm not blaming you, Rachel.
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I haven't chucked him out.
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Right, well I can't put him up
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- cos Tony won't have it.
- Alison. I haven't chucked him out.
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We just had a bit of an argument,
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- Look, is he there now?
- No, he's gone.
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- Gone where?
- I don't know.
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I don't think he knew himself.
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Has he been behaving?
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He's not been drinking, or...
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No. No. Not at all. It's one of
the conditions of his license,
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not drinking,
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he's really stuck to that,
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it's just...
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What?
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Look, Alison, I'm away
for a couple of days.
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I think I've frightened him.
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I told him he needed to get himself
tested for HIV.
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Why?
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He's hang on, Sammy,
he's what? He's done what?
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The whore...
Let's get this straight,
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the whore has kicked
him, your dad, out?
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- Why?
- Because in prison.
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I think he might of...
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- like sold his assets.
- Oh, no way!
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He can't keep his pants up, can he?
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Right, well, there you go, eh?
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Taste of her own medicine. Bitch.
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Sold his...
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Can you work it out Alison?
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He's bringing an overnight
bag with him where?
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I will. I'll call him
but he's not homeless.
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No. No. No, Sammy.
That is not happening.
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He is not sleeping at our house.
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He's got a key to my flat,
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- so he's not homeless.
- Yeah, I know he's your dad,
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but you tell him to ring me,
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I will deal with it,
because he is not...
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Yeah. I'll ring him.
I'll ring him now.
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No, Sammy, not even on
the settee. I'm serious.
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I am not being mean, Sammy.
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- Sammy?
- OK. Bye.
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- Dom? It's Rachel.
- Dave. Gill.
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- Look, our Alison's just rung me.
- You need to give me a ring.
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Don't worry about what I said.
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If you wouldn't mind
being so good and kind.
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Just get yourself
back round to my flat.
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At your earliest convenience.
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We can talk about this
properly when I get back.
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Right?
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We'll sort things out. I promise.
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And will you ring me?
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How come Leach even knows about
the similarities to his murders?
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A local journalist made the
connection. Yesterday.
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Who knows how, he's a journalist.
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First person he's on the
phone to is Leach's solicitor.
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That's when the shit hit the fan.
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North Avon are pulling together
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an SIO support group which
we'll be part of later tomorrow
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with some of the biggest
names in the country.
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SCAS, Detectives, forensic scientists.
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At the risk of sounding a bit thick,
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why's this such a big deal?
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Because if someone's out
there using Leach's exact MO,
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it throws doubt on his conviction.
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It suggests it was never
him in the first place,
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that the real killer is still out
there which we know to be rubbish,
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but... there's a lot of people
who think Leach's conviction
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is the biggest miscarriage of
justice in criminal history.
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Journalists, peers, the
tea and tiffin brigade.
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Sadly, however, they're
not without influence.
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If they can raise doubt and
grounds for yet another appeal,
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it's not beyond the
realms of possibility
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Leach could walk.
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So no pressure then.
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DCI Murray?
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- 'Ello 'ello.
- DC Bennett, North Avon.
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This is DC Bailey.
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- Rachel.
- Ed.
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- Mr. Leach?
- Yes, hello.
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I'm DC Bailey, this is DC Bennett.
We're here at your request.
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Before we start I must tell you
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that this meeting is being recorded.
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Good.
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I must tell you that
you're not under arrest
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and you don't have
to say anything to us,
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but anything you do say
may be used in evidence.
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I know that.
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I know that you've been advised that
you can have a solicitor present,
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but I believe that you've
indicated that you don't want one.
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- Is that still the case?
- Yes.
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Could I ask why that is, Mr. Leach?
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I would've thought given your
situation that that would be advisable.
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Is that a Manchester accent?
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What would you like to
talk to us about Mr. Leach?
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I don't know how much
you know about me,
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- my situation.
- I'm assisting
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the investigation into
the death of Yasmin Heaney.
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You contacted the incident
room at Bristol saying
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you had some information
regarding that incident.
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I didn't...
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I didn't want my
solicitor here because...
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he has a son.
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Alastair Jackson.
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And it's becoming increasingly
apparent to me for some time
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and now I'm utterly convinced that
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he is the man you're looking for.
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And I don't just mean for
this latest attack, either.
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Desmond Jackson
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approached me after I'd been convicted,
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several lawyers did, knowing that
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I'd been poorly served by the man
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who'd originally
represented me in court,
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knowing that I had been the victim
of a miscarriage of justice.
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I know you don't believe that, but...
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I took him on, Desmond Jackson,
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because he seemed the most keen
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as well as being the most able.
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I now have reason to believe
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that he had ulterior
motives in approaching me,
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motives that...
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were to do with contriving
to keep me inside prison,
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once I'd been blamed for
what his son had done.
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And what grounds have you got for
making this allegation, Mr. Leach?
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After I was convicted,
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Alastair Jackson appeared to become
obsessed with me.
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He wrote to me incessantly,
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he even requested to visit me,
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which I allowed him do... twice.
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At the time, you see, I
regarded him as a supporter.
250
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But looking back I realize now that
251
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it wasn't me he was obsessed with.
252
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He was obsessed with the women
253
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I was accused of having murdered.
254
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He certainly knew far more about
them than I ever did.
255
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I now believe...
256
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from what he said...
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that he knew them.
258
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All of them, personally.
259
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Well, don't you think
that's significant?
260
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Isn't it true that most murder victims
261
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are killed by people they know?
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I'd never met this man until sometime
after his father offered to help me,
263
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and yet it would appear that he
knew personally the four women
264
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I was convicted of
having murdered. I didn't.
265
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So you're saying that your solicitor...
266
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Desmond Jackson...
267
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is fully aware of what his son...
268
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may have done and is
helping to cover it up?
269
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Yes.
270
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
271
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Can you prove any of the
things that you're saying?
272
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Well, I imagine I could, yes,
if I wasn't stuck in here.
273
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He knew Yasmin Heaney, too.
274
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He mentioned her a number of times
in letters to me.
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- Would you like to see?
- Yeah.
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I've made copies.
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OK.
278
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When did you realize this...
279
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about Alastair Jackson?
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When I heard about Yasmin Heaney.
281
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It'd been staring me in the face.
282
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For years...
283
00:16:09,250 --> 00:16:10,720
and then the penny dropped.
284
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Is there anything else you'd
like to say to me, Mr. Leach?
285
00:16:16,810 --> 00:16:18,710
I shouldn't be in here.
286
00:16:21,290 --> 00:16:24,360
We have picked Alastair
Jackson up, by the way. Twice.
287
00:16:24,390 --> 00:16:27,610
Yeah. I read that
in the information pack.
288
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He did know Yasmin Heaney.
289
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He spent rather too much time
in the library where she works.
290
00:16:32,370 --> 00:16:34,220
You making your way down
to Bristol now, ma'am?
291
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That's the plan!
292
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Are you all right?
293
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I hate these places.
294
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I appreciate that not all
will have had chance to
295
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read the handouts in any
depth, ladies and gentlemen,
296
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so whilst our victim Yasmin
297
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is a main line of inquiry,
298
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the nature of the attack,
299
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the fact that it
resembles the Leach murders
300
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of 13 years ago, have lead us
301
00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,350
to focus primarily on two
main lines of investigation.
302
00:16:58,050 --> 00:17:00,450
People who had access to
confidential information
303
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during the original investigation
304
00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,080
that's the lawyers,
police officers, jury
305
00:17:05,170 --> 00:17:08,750
and people who had access to Leach
when he was inside prison.
306
00:17:08,850 --> 00:17:11,640
Of the people we've identified as
being most interesting,
307
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perhaps the most
significant at this moment
308
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is Alastair Jackson.
309
00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,390
Now, Jackson is unemployed,
310
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misfit, obsessed with Leach.
311
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An apparent supporter of Leach.
312
00:17:23,410 --> 00:17:26,420
He visited him on two occasions
inside prison.
313
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His father, oddly enough,
is Leach's solicitor,
314
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so Jackson may have had had access
to confidential information
315
00:17:32,660 --> 00:17:36,170
right there in his parents home at
the time of the original investigation.
316
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His alibi
317
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:39,950
at the time that Yasmin went missing
318
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turned out to be an
elaborate pack of lies...
319
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But still no arrest.
320
00:17:46,050 --> 00:17:48,070
DCI Murray came across from the
Crime Faculty
321
00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,360
to help us with the original
investigation
322
00:17:50,390 --> 00:17:53,630
and she has in fact spoken
to Leach this very morning
323
00:17:54,110 --> 00:17:56,930
at his request inside Ravenhill Prison.
324
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He himself is pointing
the finger at Jackson.
325
00:17:59,460 --> 00:18:01,600
And not just for
Yasmin's murder either.
326
00:18:01,610 --> 00:18:04,210
Leach is suggesting that
Jackson was responsible
327
00:18:04,220 --> 00:18:07,200
for the murders he was
sent down for 13 years ago.
328
00:18:07,650 --> 00:18:09,150
I hope you don't mind me saying,
329
00:18:09,410 --> 00:18:12,150
but if you're seriously considering
Alastair Jackson for Yasmin,
330
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we're opening a can of worms,
331
00:18:13,630 --> 00:18:16,710
and one which Leach
will exploit to the hilt,
332
00:18:16,730 --> 00:18:18,900
and frankly, in my book,
333
00:18:18,910 --> 00:18:20,720
the fact that Leach
is pointing the finger
334
00:18:20,730 --> 00:18:23,320
at Jackson is practically
grounds to rule him out.
335
00:18:36,330 --> 00:18:38,090
Isn't there like a
really screaming flaw
336
00:18:38,190 --> 00:18:40,210
in the whole basis
of the investigation?
337
00:18:40,850 --> 00:18:42,150
Is there?
338
00:18:43,410 --> 00:18:44,710
- What?
- Well,
339
00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,390
their two lines of inquiry
340
00:18:46,410 --> 00:18:48,360
and the way that you're talking
341
00:18:49,620 --> 00:18:51,380
are based entirely
on the assumption that
342
00:18:51,390 --> 00:18:53,190
that Leach is guilty
of the original crimes.
343
00:18:53,210 --> 00:18:54,510
Thank you.
344
00:18:54,820 --> 00:18:56,390
It's not an assumption.
345
00:18:57,110 --> 00:18:58,410
He is guilty.
346
00:18:59,010 --> 00:19:00,310
Yeah. But...
347
00:19:01,050 --> 00:19:03,300
- What if he isn't?
- But, he is.
348
00:19:03,890 --> 00:19:06,340
Yeah, but if he isn't, then
the whole thing's skewed.
349
00:19:07,010 --> 00:19:09,760
Rachel Bailey. Gill Murray.
We've got reservations.
350
00:19:10,030 --> 00:19:12,390
Yeah, but he is. So it isn't.
351
00:19:12,430 --> 00:19:14,150
Fill these forms out, please.
352
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:16,170
I feel like...
353
00:19:16,750 --> 00:19:18,610
you're not hearing what I'm saying.
354
00:19:18,890 --> 00:19:20,500
You've read your ringbinders.
355
00:19:20,550 --> 00:19:23,660
It was Leach's DNA at the scene.
356
00:19:24,090 --> 00:19:25,570
His thumb print
357
00:19:25,890 --> 00:19:28,300
on the pendant of Catherine
Maloney's necklace,
358
00:19:28,410 --> 00:19:30,550
pressed so hard it was
embedded into her skin
359
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,820
and at the time he couldn't account
360
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:35,570
for how else his dabs could have
got on it, even if he came up
361
00:19:35,580 --> 00:19:37,710
with some convoluted
rubbish about it afterwards.
362
00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,520
- Yeah, but...
- His delivery schedule
363
00:19:39,730 --> 00:19:43,510
put him at or near all the murders.
364
00:19:43,650 --> 00:19:45,080
We even had a witness who ID'd him
365
00:19:45,090 --> 00:19:47,030
in the area of one of them.
366
00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:49,370
All right, forget it.
367
00:19:49,380 --> 00:19:51,580
Do you think he's a bit too
good looking to be a killer?
368
00:19:52,650 --> 00:19:54,450
Did you ever seen a photo of Ted Bundy?
369
00:19:54,550 --> 00:19:56,230
Think he was a bit too
good looking as well
370
00:19:56,490 --> 00:19:58,660
to have raped and murdered 34 women?
371
00:19:59,170 --> 00:20:00,670
I didn't believe him,
372
00:20:00,890 --> 00:20:02,410
but I didn't not believe him either.
373
00:20:02,670 --> 00:20:05,870
Rachel! Are you serious?
You'd let that man out?
374
00:20:05,970 --> 00:20:07,950
No! No.
375
00:20:08,730 --> 00:20:11,290
Well, yeah, if he's not guilty.
376
00:20:11,300 --> 00:20:12,890
- Oh, God.
- What?
377
00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:15,550
Bandits at two.
Julian McAndrew...
378
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,200
writes for The Guardian
and The New Statesman,
379
00:20:17,210 --> 00:20:19,410
one of Leach's staunchest
dickhead supporters.
380
00:20:19,450 --> 00:20:21,685
- That was quick.
- It's volatile, I told you. Don't look.
381
00:20:21,710 --> 00:20:25,380
I can almost understand
them not getting it, but you?
382
00:20:25,530 --> 00:20:27,420
You used to work in
the sex crimes unit.
383
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:29,160
You know rape isn't about sex.
384
00:20:29,170 --> 00:20:31,760
It's about power and
control and humiliation.
385
00:20:31,770 --> 00:20:33,190
He's a sick fuck,
386
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:35,270
and he can hide it better
than your average Herbert
387
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,130
because he's clever, clever enough
388
00:20:37,140 --> 00:20:39,750
to make someone like you
doubt forensic evidence.
389
00:20:40,210 --> 00:20:42,900
Room 703 and Room 522.
390
00:20:43,150 --> 00:20:44,750
- Enjoy your stay, ladies.
- Thank you.
391
00:20:45,150 --> 00:20:46,450
All we have to do, well,
392
00:20:46,460 --> 00:20:48,240
all North Avon have to do is find out
393
00:20:48,250 --> 00:20:50,150
who killed Yasmin, and prove it fast,
394
00:20:50,460 --> 00:20:51,900
before people like McAndrew
395
00:20:51,910 --> 00:20:53,550
manage to turn it into
something it isn't.
396
00:20:54,090 --> 00:20:56,050
We know who killed the others, Rachel,
397
00:20:56,450 --> 00:20:57,750
it was that nice man you spoke to
398
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,110
this morning at HMP Ravenhill.
399
00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:00,540
Well, all the same. I think we...
400
00:21:01,010 --> 00:21:03,030
I think they ought to look very closely
401
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,580
- at Jackson again.
- I agree with you
402
00:21:04,590 --> 00:21:06,400
cos I think Leach is trying
to set Jackson up, which...
403
00:21:06,410 --> 00:21:07,710
which...
404
00:21:09,450 --> 00:21:10,750
means he's involved.
405
00:21:10,940 --> 00:21:12,340
It's not just someone
who's copying him.
406
00:21:12,350 --> 00:21:14,060
It's someone he's conspired with,
407
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:16,940
someone he's consciously
inculcated with his...
408
00:21:18,030 --> 00:21:19,330
And he's arrogant enough to think he
409
00:21:19,340 --> 00:21:20,900
can point us in the wrong direction.
410
00:21:21,070 --> 00:21:23,050
Stick your bag in your room,
back here in five minutes,
411
00:21:23,060 --> 00:21:24,530
we're going to the incident room.
412
00:21:33,850 --> 00:21:35,150
Ed!
413
00:21:35,890 --> 00:21:38,080
- Hello, ma'am.
- Where's Mr. Wallis?
414
00:21:38,330 --> 00:21:39,750
He's driven over to Abbots Leigh.
415
00:21:42,050 --> 00:21:43,350
Another girl's turned up.
416
00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:45,070
Same.
417
00:21:45,630 --> 00:21:46,930
Cable ties.
418
00:21:55,550 --> 00:21:57,110
Yeah. It makes sense.
419
00:21:57,150 --> 00:21:58,770
I mean, it was always
a possibility of course
420
00:21:58,780 --> 00:22:01,510
that Leach was behind the
whole thing, yeah but...
421
00:22:02,430 --> 00:22:04,300
does it actually change
the investigation?
422
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:05,610
If we accept that he's
pulling the strings?
423
00:22:05,620 --> 00:22:07,390
No, no, of course it doesn't, but again
424
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,350
it points the finger away from Jackson,
425
00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:11,610
given that he was so
keen to implicate him.
426
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:14,800
Look, Gill. I don't want it to
be Jackson any more than you do.
427
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:19,190
I know what kind of unhelpful frenzy
this could set off in the media.
428
00:22:19,310 --> 00:22:21,310
But we have got to keep an open mind.
429
00:22:21,410 --> 00:22:25,290
Yeah. Course. But this is
someone who is inside with him.
430
00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:27,930
This is not a visitor,
certainly not Jackson.
431
00:22:28,260 --> 00:22:30,360
This is someone not unlike himself.
432
00:22:30,670 --> 00:22:32,350
This is someone who is
capable of doing that.
433
00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:36,120
Even a copycat killing, you don't
go from nought to 90 in 10 seconds.
434
00:22:36,130 --> 00:22:37,920
Jackson's got no criminal record.
435
00:22:38,030 --> 00:22:40,660
You and I both know that whoever
did this has got previous.
436
00:22:40,670 --> 00:22:43,170
Jackson hasn't even
got a speeding ticket
437
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,070
cos he doesn't drive! So
438
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,970
how's he got that body out here?
439
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:49,260
You're absolutely right.
440
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:53,900
So what haven't I done, Gill?
441
00:22:53,910 --> 00:22:56,850
Could I ask how you're
prioritizing interviewing
442
00:22:56,860 --> 00:22:59,360
and eliminating the people
Leach has been inside with?
443
00:22:59,370 --> 00:23:01,740
I mean, prisoners not wardens and
visitors.
444
00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:03,180
Yeah, well, initially we're looking
at people
445
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:05,480
who he's close to in
the last five years,
446
00:23:05,850 --> 00:23:09,020
people he spent time with who
were released in the last year.
447
00:23:09,030 --> 00:23:12,020
I think you should be prioritizing
your sexually-motivated killers.
448
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,670
Going back the whole 13 years,
449
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,740
however brief their exposure to him.
450
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:17,060
Well, that was discussed, but...
451
00:23:17,070 --> 00:23:19,660
I hope you don't mind, but I
rang the clinical psychologist
452
00:23:19,670 --> 00:23:21,660
I work with in
Manchester, Martin Hines.
453
00:23:21,970 --> 00:23:24,800
He says this could be someone
Leach met in the toilets
454
00:23:24,810 --> 00:23:27,040
for five minutes once
a week ten years ago.
455
00:23:27,050 --> 00:23:29,380
He'll have avoided being noticed
with this person
456
00:23:29,390 --> 00:23:31,490
because he's got too
much in common with him.
457
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:34,080
He's persistently
maintained his innocence, so
458
00:23:34,090 --> 00:23:36,570
so publicly this person
would be anathema to him.
459
00:23:36,580 --> 00:23:39,680
Privately though, this is someone
he'll have identified
460
00:23:39,690 --> 00:23:43,680
really quickly, then cultivated,
then avoided being seen with.
461
00:23:43,690 --> 00:23:46,090
He'll have promised him something,
God knows what,
462
00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:49,160
a spree together if ever
he helps him get out,
463
00:23:49,170 --> 00:23:51,970
not money, that wouldn't motivate
this sort of sick bugger.
464
00:23:51,980 --> 00:23:53,950
And he's so controlled, Leach,
465
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,940
this could be someone who was
released three or four years ago,
466
00:23:56,950 --> 00:24:00,010
waiting for Leach to give him the
nod at just the right moment...
467
00:24:00,070 --> 00:24:01,370
With exactly the right victim.
468
00:24:01,380 --> 00:24:03,590
Leach knew that Jackson
knew Yasmin Heaney.
469
00:24:03,630 --> 00:24:06,010
He mentioned her in the
letters that he wrote to Leach,
470
00:24:06,020 --> 00:24:09,220
Jackson did, and she
fitted the victim profile.
471
00:24:09,730 --> 00:24:12,070
Well, a couple of the lads did
a comprehensive list of everybody
472
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,930
that Leach was exposed to inside
prison going back the whole 13 years.
473
00:24:14,940 --> 00:24:16,360
Do you want to have look at it,
474
00:24:16,770 --> 00:24:18,750
- suggest a new strategy?
- Sure.
475
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,390
Have you identified her?
476
00:24:21,090 --> 00:24:22,860
There was a 30-year-old
woman reported missing
477
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:24,210
in Bristol last week...
478
00:24:24,450 --> 00:24:25,910
Jodie Winterbourne.
479
00:24:26,410 --> 00:24:27,710
30,
480
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,020
five foot eight,
481
00:24:29,330 --> 00:24:30,630
short dark hair.
482
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:33,770
She's ticking a lot of boxes.
483
00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:38,690
Dark brown hair, five foot eight.
484
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:40,910
What about it?
485
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:42,490
I fit the victim profile,
486
00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:44,100
that's why you asked
me to interview him.
487
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:47,250
Yeah. I thought he'd fall for you
though, not the other way round.
488
00:24:48,150 --> 00:24:49,650
- That's unethical.
- Sue me.
489
00:24:49,660 --> 00:24:51,760
It didn't occur to me in fact.
490
00:24:51,780 --> 00:24:53,780
You were the first
Tier 3 I bumped into.
491
00:24:53,790 --> 00:24:55,880
I asked where Janet was,
if you remember.
492
00:24:57,070 --> 00:24:58,370
So is this what you used to do?
493
00:24:58,490 --> 00:25:00,560
Drop into other forces,
tell 'em what to do?
494
00:25:00,770 --> 00:25:03,480
You don't tell people what to do.
You advise them.
495
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:05,650
I advised on eight
jobs in one week once.
496
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:07,580
- What, murders?
- Yep.
497
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:09,720
Still, it's swings and
roundabouts, isn't it?
498
00:25:09,730 --> 00:25:11,030
If I hadn't given it up
499
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,420
I'd never have met you and Kevin.
500
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:23,010
So he's been in four prisons,
501
00:25:23,020 --> 00:25:24,510
had 58 cell moves.
502
00:25:24,550 --> 00:25:28,130
That's a total of 3,426 inmates
503
00:25:28,140 --> 00:25:29,550
he's potentially come into contact
504
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:30,860
with over 13 years.
505
00:25:31,270 --> 00:25:32,650
Let's start with a list of those
506
00:25:32,660 --> 00:25:34,350
convicted of murder and of rape.
507
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:35,900
- Thank you.
- OK.
508
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,550
Then a list of those
just convicted of murder,
509
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,010
cos, let's faces, how many times
510
00:25:40,020 --> 00:25:41,460
have we had someone
who's raped and murdered,
511
00:25:41,470 --> 00:25:43,780
but the CPS only push
on the murder charge?
512
00:25:43,790 --> 00:25:45,810
- Tell me about it.
- Then, third...
513
00:25:45,820 --> 00:25:47,640
a list of those convicted of just rape.
514
00:25:47,850 --> 00:25:49,260
Cool. Yep.
515
00:25:49,290 --> 00:25:50,730
Ma'am, is it all right if I...
516
00:25:51,010 --> 00:25:52,370
- make a call?
- Yeah. Course.
517
00:25:57,450 --> 00:25:58,750
Dom?
518
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,420
- Hiya.
- Where are you?
519
00:26:01,170 --> 00:26:02,470
Your house.
520
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:04,410
Where have you been?
521
00:26:05,460 --> 00:26:06,860
Nowhere just here.
522
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:09,590
Me and Alison have both been
trying to get hold of you.
523
00:26:10,290 --> 00:26:11,810
I know, I'm sorry.
524
00:26:14,270 --> 00:26:15,720
You all right?
525
00:26:17,630 --> 00:26:18,930
Yep.
526
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:21,610
I've been worried about you.
527
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:24,890
Sorry.
528
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:27,670
Are you eating properly?
529
00:26:28,180 --> 00:26:29,480
Yep.
530
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:30,810
What've you had today?
531
00:26:32,270 --> 00:26:33,570
Toast.
532
00:26:37,390 --> 00:26:38,690
Listen, Dom...
533
00:26:41,390 --> 00:26:42,690
I love you.
534
00:26:44,010 --> 00:26:46,250
I don't want you to be
embarrassed about what's happened.
535
00:26:47,870 --> 00:26:51,120
I just want you to move on and
get your life back together.
536
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:53,290
Yeah.
537
00:26:54,530 --> 00:26:57,640
Some of the most
horrendous, violent murders
538
00:26:57,650 --> 00:26:59,530
I've ever seen have involved gay men
539
00:26:59,550 --> 00:27:02,670
with other men in exactly that
situation like you were in.
540
00:27:05,180 --> 00:27:06,970
I'm sorry if you think...
541
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,920
Look, I wasn't over-reacting.
Believe me, I wasn't.
542
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:15,770
OK.
543
00:27:16,510 --> 00:27:19,070
We'll work everything out, all right?
544
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,790
We will, I promise.
545
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:25,910
I want you to buy some
fresh fruit and veg
546
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,380
with that money I left you, right?
547
00:27:29,980 --> 00:27:33,370
- Dom?
- Yep. Yep.
548
00:27:33,910 --> 00:27:37,520
All right I've got to go, but
I'll be back soon. Soon as I can.
549
00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:40,230
Yep.
550
00:27:42,190 --> 00:27:44,770
I'll see you.
See you.
551
00:28:01,730 --> 00:28:04,690
42 killers also convicted
of rape, now released.
552
00:28:04,790 --> 00:28:06,620
Most of them are elderly, past it.
553
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:09,770
12 under the age of 60.
The youngest is 38.
554
00:28:10,180 --> 00:28:12,090
We need the crime scene photos
555
00:28:12,130 --> 00:28:15,080
of the murders that each of those
12 were originally convicted of.
556
00:28:15,090 --> 00:28:17,030
- Yep.
- And we need to compare them...
557
00:28:17,050 --> 00:28:19,010
- Ed?
- Listening.
558
00:28:19,020 --> 00:28:21,010
With the crime scenes from
the present two murders...
559
00:28:21,020 --> 00:28:23,870
Yasmin's and this latest
one Jodie if it is Jodie...
560
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,620
- Yep...
- starting with those
561
00:28:25,630 --> 00:28:27,420
who now live geographically closest
562
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:30,170
because every one of these twisted
sods should be out on a license.
563
00:28:30,270 --> 00:28:32,150
They'll have a parole
officer to report to,
564
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,430
so chances are it's not
someone who's in Edinburgh.
565
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,910
- Yep.
- There's another thing
566
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,190
I want you to do.
I want you to compare
567
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,400
the photos of Yasmin's murder
and Jodie's murder with each other
568
00:28:41,410 --> 00:28:44,550
and then compare those with
the four Leach was convicted of.
569
00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:47,170
And this time I want you
to look at the differences
570
00:28:47,180 --> 00:28:49,140
as well as the similarities.
571
00:28:49,150 --> 00:28:51,770
I think they've focused on
the similarities too much.
572
00:28:51,780 --> 00:28:54,390
I want you to look at what this
new bloke's brought to the party
573
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,290
that's nothing to do with Leach's MO.
574
00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:58,920
Something all of his own
from his previous offences
575
00:28:58,950 --> 00:29:01,630
that's seeped through, something
he's probably not aware of himself.
576
00:29:02,180 --> 00:29:03,480
Right.
577
00:29:34,750 --> 00:29:37,110
You've got four men in your force area
578
00:29:37,150 --> 00:29:38,890
who could be the person
we're looking for.
579
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:42,320
Three of them are registered with their
probation officers here in Bristol,
580
00:29:42,330 --> 00:29:45,110
but there's another one, a fella
called Philip Martin Hibbert...
581
00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:49,110
who's registered at
an address in Yeovil.
582
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,730
He murdered two women 15
years ago, raped 'em as well,
583
00:29:52,740 --> 00:29:54,040
but he was never charged with that.
584
00:29:54,050 --> 00:29:55,910
He was released 18 months since.
585
00:29:56,370 --> 00:29:58,370
The other three are John James Wilkes,
586
00:29:58,380 --> 00:30:00,260
registered at an address in St Paul's,
587
00:30:00,770 --> 00:30:02,630
sexually assaulted three
women in Lincolnshire,
588
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,940
- none of whom died.
- But
589
00:30:03,950 --> 00:30:06,020
But one of whom the police
believed he'd left for dead,
590
00:30:06,030 --> 00:30:07,910
so it was an attempted
murder rather than a murder.
591
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,780
He was released four years ago,
originally sent down in 1997.
592
00:30:11,790 --> 00:30:14,930
Hassan Abuzein, registered
an address Knowle West,
593
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:16,250
sent down 1995, raped
594
00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:18,150
and murdered his niece
in Southall, London.
595
00:30:18,770 --> 00:30:20,950
Released from Ravenhill six months ago.
596
00:30:21,150 --> 00:30:24,510
Ashley Robert Boyall,
ex-army, registered address Easton,
597
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,510
released two-and-a-half
years ago. Served 15 years
598
00:30:26,820 --> 00:30:28,240
for murdering two sex workers.
599
00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:30,560
That was in... Kettering.
600
00:30:30,570 --> 00:30:34,230
We can widen the net obviously if this
doesn't give us what we're looking for.
601
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:36,310
But I asked Rachel to
look at the differences
602
00:30:36,430 --> 00:30:39,250
between Leach's original crime
scenes and the present ones
603
00:30:39,260 --> 00:30:40,560
to see if there was any seepage,
604
00:30:40,570 --> 00:30:42,030
things that didn't fit in with Leach
605
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:44,890
but which did correspond
to the MO of these men.
606
00:30:44,910 --> 00:30:47,770
We think this one, the first one,
Hibbert,
607
00:30:48,180 --> 00:30:49,690
could be the man you're looking for.
608
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:51,890
- Show him.
- Well, that's Yasmin Heaney
609
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:53,750
and that's Jodie, last night, yeah?
610
00:30:54,350 --> 00:30:57,960
That's Heather Price and that's Jane
Reid, Hibbert's victims.
611
00:31:02,910 --> 00:31:05,130
He dragged them all
there by their arms.
612
00:31:05,370 --> 00:31:07,700
Which suggests they were already
dead when he took 'em there.
613
00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:10,490
Leach didn't do that, he
killed his victims at the scene.
614
00:31:10,750 --> 00:31:12,690
There are a few more
details pointing at Hibbert,
615
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:15,060
- which we can go through if you like.
- Sorry.
616
00:31:15,910 --> 00:31:17,470
Hello. Rick Wallis.
617
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:20,250
Yep.
618
00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:23,010
OK, thank you.
619
00:31:23,020 --> 00:31:24,590
Thank you. Bye now. Bye.
620
00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:26,850
That was the lab.
621
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:31,830
Alastair Jackson's DNA on
a cigarette butt we found
622
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,700
at last night's crime scene.
623
00:31:37,940 --> 00:31:40,830
I'm just asking before you race
in and make an arrest which,
624
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,260
if you believe that's the right
thing to do, that's your call.
625
00:31:43,270 --> 00:31:44,940
But I'm asking you to consider this...
626
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,060
we've been working on the theory that
627
00:31:47,070 --> 00:31:48,660
Leach is setting Jackson up,
628
00:31:48,670 --> 00:31:51,610
working with an accomplice,
who is capable of rape and murder.
629
00:31:51,620 --> 00:31:53,630
I'm pretty certain that same person
630
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,180
would be more than capable
of planting a fag butt too.
631
00:31:56,340 --> 00:31:59,360
I suggest that someone
in Jackson's orbit
632
00:31:59,370 --> 00:32:00,670
has watched him smoke a fag
633
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,440
then picked it up when
he's stubbed it out.
634
00:32:02,450 --> 00:32:03,780
Who does he hang around with?
635
00:32:04,060 --> 00:32:06,300
Jackson? No-one.
636
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:09,850
I told you, he's an
oddity, he's a loner.
637
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,690
Someone, anyone.
Where does he go, what does he do?
638
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,560
We know he liked going in the
library where Yasmin worked.
639
00:32:16,450 --> 00:32:19,310
Well, the only thing was
the man who wasn't there.
640
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,430
- Who?
- The man who doesn't exist.
641
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:24,050
- Who?
- Dunno. He didn't exist.
642
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,960
Yeah. Jackson's alibi.
643
00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:27,850
He said that when Yasmin
was being attacked,
644
00:32:27,860 --> 00:32:29,680
he was with some fella called Tim Smith
645
00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:32,230
who he said worked for
Burton's builders' supplies
646
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,380
on St Bude's Road, and who
lived in a flat in Frome,
647
00:32:35,390 --> 00:32:38,780
and who he said he got very drunk
with on the night in question.
648
00:32:39,420 --> 00:32:40,720
So drunk in fact, that he could
649
00:32:40,730 --> 00:32:42,660
remember almost nothing the next day.
650
00:32:42,670 --> 00:32:43,970
We had it checked out.
651
00:32:44,270 --> 00:32:45,670
We checked it out thoroughly, I mean
652
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,440
we checked every Tim
Smith in our force area,
653
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:50,570
and in the surrounding four
force areas, and nothing.
654
00:32:50,580 --> 00:32:51,880
So where did Jackson go to with this
655
00:32:51,890 --> 00:32:53,190
Tim Smith to get drunk then?
656
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,720
Well, he said they drank
at home, Jackson's home.
657
00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:57,040
There were no
witnesses so no-one's
658
00:32:57,050 --> 00:32:59,020
seen or heard of this Tim Smith.
659
00:32:59,810 --> 00:33:01,630
He did invent it, so...
660
00:33:02,060 --> 00:33:04,720
it makes you wonder why would you make
something up if you've got nothing to hide?
661
00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:06,520
But you don't think
Jackson was off his face.
662
00:33:06,530 --> 00:33:08,750
The whole thing is a
crap attempt at an alibi?
663
00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:10,120
That's what we were left with, yeah.
664
00:33:10,130 --> 00:33:12,170
What else did he say about the man
who doesn't exist?
665
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:14,480
How recently had he got to know him?
666
00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:15,800
Recent.
667
00:33:15,810 --> 00:33:18,070
Well, what if Tim Smith does exist?
668
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,610
Only he's not called Tim Smith.
669
00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:23,100
And he sat with Jackson,
let him drink himself stupid and
670
00:33:23,970 --> 00:33:26,810
left him rat-arsed,
incapable, alone,
671
00:33:26,820 --> 00:33:28,270
and then he went off
and committed the murder.
672
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,130
So how about sticking Hibbert
in a pre-arrest vim's ID parade
673
00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:34,920
and seeing if Jackson recognizes
Hibbert but as Tim Smith.
674
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,360
Is it all right if I call
you Alastair, Mr. Jackson?
675
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:43,420
You can call me what you like.
676
00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:45,360
You probably will anyway.
677
00:33:46,110 --> 00:33:47,530
We just wanted to have a little bit
678
00:33:47,540 --> 00:33:49,130
of a talk with you about your friend.
679
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,260
The one you told us
about... Tim Smith.
680
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:54,810
Have you seen him at all recently?
681
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,140
No.
682
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,490
What we were wondering, Alastair, is...
683
00:34:02,180 --> 00:34:04,770
do you think if we showed
you some photographs
684
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:07,110
that you might be
able to recognize him?
685
00:34:07,650 --> 00:34:09,370
Yes, I imagine so.
686
00:34:12,140 --> 00:34:13,680
Why? Have you found him?
687
00:34:13,980 --> 00:34:15,830
We think we might be getting close.
688
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:17,850
OK,
689
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:20,230
I'm just going to ask
you a few questions.
690
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:21,800
First question might seem a bit odd
691
00:34:21,810 --> 00:34:24,700
but I will explain to you
at the end why I'm asking.
692
00:34:25,380 --> 00:34:26,680
You told us
693
00:34:27,090 --> 00:34:29,320
that you and Mr. Smith
694
00:34:29,350 --> 00:34:31,270
went back to your house
and had a few drinks.
695
00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:33,190
I thought you didn't believe me.
696
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:35,900
About Tim Smith.
697
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:39,660
You said he stayed a while, chatting.
698
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:43,730
Yes. He did.
699
00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:47,190
Now, I know you told us
700
00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:49,420
you don't remember much
about what happened later.
701
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:50,730
But...
702
00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:55,010
if we were to come round
to your house with you...
703
00:34:56,060 --> 00:34:58,610
do you think you might be able
to point to anything
704
00:34:58,620 --> 00:35:00,860
he might have touched
while he was there?
705
00:35:02,180 --> 00:35:04,320
He went through some of my CDs.
706
00:35:04,350 --> 00:35:05,680
Is that any good?
707
00:35:07,140 --> 00:35:10,080
Yes, I think that would be spot on.
708
00:35:10,110 --> 00:35:11,650
You see if we can get
his fingerprints...
709
00:35:11,660 --> 00:35:13,090
In fact the glass he drank out of
710
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:15,220
is probably still on the floor
somewhere.
711
00:35:15,620 --> 00:35:16,920
Nice.
712
00:35:18,060 --> 00:35:20,420
And are you anywhere
nearer catching the killer?
713
00:35:21,980 --> 00:35:23,810
Because you know what's being said,
714
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,270
don't you?
In the press.
715
00:35:28,380 --> 00:35:30,860
That whoever is murdering these women
716
00:35:31,070 --> 00:35:33,920
could've been the killer 13 years ago.
717
00:35:34,650 --> 00:35:36,500
My father and I have been saying
for years
718
00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:38,440
that Jeremy Leach is an innocent man.
719
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,960
And he's been talking
so highly of you, pal.
720
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,320
Would you like to come this
way please, Mr. Jackson?
721
00:35:45,980 --> 00:35:48,510
Hello. Rick Wallis.
722
00:35:49,650 --> 00:35:51,990
Yep. He's identified Him.
723
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,570
Jackson's identified Hibbert!
Let's pick him up!
724
00:35:57,460 --> 00:35:58,760
Well done.
725
00:35:58,770 --> 00:36:01,210
You stick with me kid,
I'll get you into a fight.
726
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,950
Yeah, hold on!
727
00:36:21,410 --> 00:36:22,710
Fuck.
728
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,440
- Hello.
- I fell asleep.
729
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:28,830
You did right.
Can I come in?
730
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,660
Yeah,
731
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,500
I was just packing.
732
00:36:35,610 --> 00:36:37,440
I've just had a phone call.
733
00:36:38,340 --> 00:36:39,690
It's bad news.
734
00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:42,480
- Our Dom.
- Who's Dom?
735
00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:45,320
No, not Dom.
736
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,810
I had a phone call from the CPS
in Manchester.
737
00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:52,010
They're dropping the
attempted murder charge
738
00:36:52,020 --> 00:36:53,540
against Nick Savage.
739
00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:57,180
I know. I know. It's...
740
00:36:58,090 --> 00:37:00,600
Unbelievable doesn't
even start to cover it.
741
00:37:01,930 --> 00:37:03,470
Well, so what are
they charging him with?
742
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,570
Nothing. They're say there's insufficient,
743
00:37:05,580 --> 00:37:06,880
They're saying there's no evidence.
744
00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:09,230
They're saying legally
there isn't a case.
745
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,450
- So he's gonna walk?
- Well,
746
00:37:11,460 --> 00:37:12,890
he'll never work as a barrister again
747
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:14,780
because of his relationship
with that juror,
748
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:17,250
and I'm assuming his
marriage is stuffed, but
749
00:37:17,260 --> 00:37:20,590
- yes, that's the upshot at the minute.
- He knows where I live.
750
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:23,095
I'd be very surprised if he
tried anything like that again.
751
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,500
He's got keys to my flat.
752
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,000
Change the locks.
753
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,220
Are you all right?
754
00:37:29,540 --> 00:37:31,010
Stupid question.
755
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,040
Do you want the less bad news?
756
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,980
I don't know.
Do I?
757
00:37:40,190 --> 00:37:42,740
They picked Hibbert
up. Two hours ago.
758
00:37:42,750 --> 00:37:44,320
They found his phone,
759
00:37:44,350 --> 00:37:47,100
they found a few other things
that could link him to Leach.
760
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,070
Anyway, he's confessed,
he's confessing.
761
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,130
He's talking right now,
762
00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:55,130
mostly about Leach about
how Leach coached him,
763
00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:57,170
the things he told him he'd done.
764
00:37:57,180 --> 00:38:00,430
The point is. Rick Wallis wants us
to talk to Leach again
765
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,210
to put it to him that Hibbert's
making these allegations.
766
00:38:03,260 --> 00:38:06,250
They've only got us for another 24
hours. I said we would.
767
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,740
- What do you think?
- Yeah.
768
00:38:11,780 --> 00:38:13,360
Dom's my brother, by the way.
769
00:38:13,420 --> 00:38:15,240
He was at my birthday thing.
770
00:38:15,340 --> 00:38:16,950
He probably didn't speak to you.
771
00:38:20,170 --> 00:38:21,750
I was thinking about that pig...
772
00:38:22,020 --> 00:38:23,320
Savage.
773
00:38:24,180 --> 00:38:26,220
You wouldn't really
want endless details
774
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:29,220
about your private life dragged
through the court, would you?
775
00:38:29,780 --> 00:38:31,580
Cos you know damned well
that's what'd happen,
776
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,850
if the CPS had pressed
charges against him.
777
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,180
You know what I really can't get over
778
00:38:38,490 --> 00:38:40,430
is that I trusted him.
779
00:38:41,020 --> 00:38:43,950
I loved him. I wanted to spend
the rest of my life with him.
780
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,980
Yeah. Well.
781
00:38:47,290 --> 00:38:49,290
Some people are very
plausible, aren't they?
782
00:38:50,420 --> 00:38:52,050
Yeah but how do you know?
783
00:38:52,090 --> 00:38:53,590
How can you see through 'em?
784
00:38:54,420 --> 00:38:56,120
Like this Leach bastard.
785
00:38:57,420 --> 00:39:00,180
- I did, I fell for it.
- You can't always.
786
00:39:01,860 --> 00:39:03,730
Look at the bugger I married.
787
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,330
It's not just instinct.
It's experience.
788
00:39:09,820 --> 00:39:13,690
I think a large part of instinct
is experience.
789
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,260
So, you know,
790
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,110
I don't think we should give
up on your rosy future just yet.
791
00:39:19,660 --> 00:39:21,730
Well, I sometimes think
I'm shit at this job.
792
00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:23,880
Hey! If you're fishing
for compliments lady,
793
00:39:23,890 --> 00:39:25,840
you're talking to the
wrong small-minded bitch.
794
00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:30,560
Why didn't I know you had a brother?
795
00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:34,520
Because he's a bit of black sheep
796
00:39:34,530 --> 00:39:37,320
in a family of black
sheep so that's going some.
797
00:39:38,140 --> 00:39:39,530
What's he done?
798
00:39:39,980 --> 00:39:41,280
Dom...
799
00:39:41,290 --> 00:39:43,010
What hadn't he done?
800
00:39:44,580 --> 00:39:46,620
No, he's just staying
with me at the minute
801
00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:48,180
because he's a bit down on his luck
802
00:39:48,190 --> 00:39:50,580
and because he's got
nowhere else to go.
803
00:39:59,420 --> 00:40:01,430
Have you arrested Alastair Jackson?
804
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:04,080
No, Mr. Leach. We haven't.
805
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,220
We charged a man called
Philip Martin Hibbert
806
00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:09,540
with the murders of Yasmin
Heaney and Jodie Winterbourne.
807
00:40:10,570 --> 00:40:11,870
Do you know him?
808
00:40:11,890 --> 00:40:13,190
Phillip Martin Hibbert?
809
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:16,170
Yes, yes. He... was in Durham
810
00:40:16,220 --> 00:40:18,380
at the same time I was,
on the same wing, briefly. Why?
811
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:20,900
Could you describe the sort
of contact you had with him
812
00:40:21,250 --> 00:40:23,180
- in Durham?
- None.
813
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:25,750
And have you had any contact
with him since he was released?
814
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,330
Well, no, of course
not. Why would I?
815
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:30,060
Hibbert is telling us that you and he
816
00:40:30,070 --> 00:40:32,250
became very close in Durham.
817
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,280
Well, that's not true.
818
00:40:34,420 --> 00:40:36,310
That you had an understanding,
819
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:38,010
an agreement.
820
00:40:39,980 --> 00:40:41,280
Hibbert was an odd,
821
00:40:41,290 --> 00:40:43,120
unpleasant kind of...
822
00:40:43,180 --> 00:40:45,570
just not the sort of person
I would associate with.
823
00:40:45,810 --> 00:40:47,520
That's not what he says.
824
00:40:47,550 --> 00:40:49,610
If he's implying anything about me,
825
00:40:49,620 --> 00:40:50,920
then he's...
826
00:40:52,190 --> 00:40:53,980
he's delusional.
827
00:41:03,940 --> 00:41:05,780
Do you know when Janet got stabbed?
828
00:41:08,820 --> 00:41:10,420
I fell apart. You didn't.
829
00:41:11,060 --> 00:41:14,580
I just stood there shaking, babbling.
830
00:41:15,950 --> 00:41:17,550
I'd only known her for 12 months.
831
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,280
You'd known her nearly 20 years, yet...
832
00:41:20,450 --> 00:41:22,620
it was me that was falling to bits.
833
00:41:22,650 --> 00:41:25,380
If I hadn't been there you'd
have done everything I did.
834
00:41:26,780 --> 00:41:29,350
You had the luxury of falling apart
835
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,610
because you knew I wouldn't.
836
00:41:32,380 --> 00:41:34,690
You'd have coped, if you'd had to.
837
00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:38,170
I went home and cried my eyes out,
838
00:41:38,180 --> 00:41:40,270
but there was no way I
was gonna do that there
839
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,470
then in front of you lot.
840
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,650
Plus. I remember thinking,
841
00:41:45,690 --> 00:41:47,520
if this is the last
thing I ever do for Janet
842
00:41:47,530 --> 00:41:49,510
for Janet, and I hope to God it isn't,
843
00:41:49,820 --> 00:41:51,370
I'm going to do it properly.
844
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:53,870
That's where your head
would've been if it'd had to be.
845
00:41:54,620 --> 00:41:56,770
And the fact that you beat
yourself up about stuff so much
846
00:41:56,780 --> 00:41:58,220
tells me how keen you are to
847
00:41:59,180 --> 00:42:01,020
learn and get things right.
848
00:42:02,060 --> 00:42:03,360
You're good.
849
00:42:04,180 --> 00:42:05,770
And one day, you'll be very good.
850
00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:07,520
All right?
851
00:42:09,370 --> 00:42:11,930
I made a really bad decision once.
852
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:16,020
What?
853
00:42:17,220 --> 00:42:19,220
It was when Sammy was four.
854
00:42:21,110 --> 00:42:24,000
I realized way back then
that Dave was mucking about
855
00:42:24,010 --> 00:42:25,480
with another woman and I...
856
00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:30,360
buried my head in the sand.
857
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:33,390
I was in love with the man...
858
00:42:34,140 --> 00:42:36,720
I wanted him to be not
the man he clearly was,
859
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,230
and I ignored it.
860
00:42:39,940 --> 00:42:41,640
For ten years.
861
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,780
Pretended it wasn't happening.
862
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,260
And if I'd had the guts
863
00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:47,460
to deal with it then
864
00:42:47,490 --> 00:42:49,480
instead of later when I had to,
865
00:42:49,540 --> 00:42:51,010
when he went off with...
866
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,050
Everything would've been
so much better for Sammy,
867
00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:57,450
but for me as well because
I'd have got myself organized
868
00:42:57,460 --> 00:43:00,230
so I didn't have to stop
working at the Faculty.
869
00:43:00,860 --> 00:43:03,420
I was good at that job, Rachel,
I loved it.
870
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:05,390
I know I was born for it, and...
871
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:09,550
I'd almost forgotten how
much till these last few days.
872
00:43:13,460 --> 00:43:15,830
I'd forgotten how
alive it made me feel.
873
00:43:33,580 --> 00:43:36,490
- Have you heard the news?
- Very pretty.
874
00:43:37,820 --> 00:43:40,830
So don't you think that
is like a confession?
875
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,140
Not exactly.
876
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:44,980
Someone like Leach,
877
00:43:45,580 --> 00:43:48,500
a control freak,
being in prison's agony.
878
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,620
For all the usual reasons,
but on top of that,
879
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:52,690
you've got no control over anything.
880
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:54,480
What time you eat, what time you sleep,
881
00:43:54,490 --> 00:43:55,960
when you speak to other people.
882
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:58,400
He's done that because death
883
00:43:58,410 --> 00:44:00,080
is the only bit of control he had left.
884
00:44:00,090 --> 00:44:02,840
After we took away his little
carefully-planned pipe dream,
885
00:44:02,850 --> 00:44:04,930
that's all.
But, you know,
886
00:44:05,550 --> 00:44:06,850
who cares?
887
00:44:08,660 --> 00:44:09,960
Well done.
68084
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