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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:43,420 Sean. 2 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,400 I've got to go to work. You can't stay here. 3 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,040 No, you're all right. I'm on 3-11. 4 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,960 So what? I'm not. Come on, shift. 5 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,220 Sean! 6 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,440 No, no. You might just have to miss 7 00:01:02,450 --> 00:01:04,780 - drama group this week. - Why should I? 8 00:01:04,790 --> 00:01:07,640 Because logistically, it's just not do-able! 9 00:01:07,650 --> 00:01:11,320 Couldn't I take them in a taxi? Yes, Mum, you could. But. 10 00:01:11,330 --> 00:01:13,770 - Sounds good to me. - They're in separate groups. 11 00:01:13,780 --> 00:01:17,380 You have to take one, come back, take the other, pick up the first one, 12 00:01:17,390 --> 00:01:19,970 then go back a third time to fetch the second. 13 00:01:19,980 --> 00:01:23,850 - It's... It's ridiculous! - I don't mind not going. 14 00:01:23,860 --> 00:01:25,890 Can I ask my dad to take us? 15 00:01:25,910 --> 00:01:27,870 You can. Please do. 16 00:01:28,100 --> 00:01:30,400 But assuming he might be playing silly beggars, 17 00:01:30,410 --> 00:01:31,830 I wouldn't hold your breath. 18 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,320 I'll work something out. 19 00:01:33,340 --> 00:01:37,220 I will make sure, one way or another, that they get there. 20 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,660 So... That was good, then. 21 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,410 Yeah. It was all right. 22 00:01:50,700 --> 00:01:52,180 It was brilliant. 23 00:01:52,390 --> 00:01:54,000 Always is. 24 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,340 I've got to go. 25 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:04,520 Right. So, give me a ring if there's anything that you're not sure of. 26 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,450 We're really stretched on this one. 27 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,980 - I knew Keith Fleming. - Did you? 28 00:02:12,990 --> 00:02:15,820 When I was at Fulbrook High in the 1980s. 29 00:02:15,860 --> 00:02:17,590 He'd just qualified. 30 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,080 - He was a nice man. - Was he? 31 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:22,320 Quiet. Polite. 32 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:24,790 I think that's where he met his wife. 33 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,170 And... was he... 34 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,400 - A pedophile? - Well... 35 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,900 We haven't found anything to suggest that. So... 36 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,510 Right. Have a good day. 37 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,520 Be good. Be polite. Be brainy. 38 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:47,600 Don't you go overdoing it. 39 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:50,620 Thanks, Mum. 40 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,220 House-to-house has thrown up a number of names 41 00:02:55,230 --> 00:02:57,200 Nadia routinely knocks about with. 42 00:02:57,510 --> 00:02:59,240 Three of those names cropped up 43 00:02:59,450 --> 00:03:01,310 on her intelligence record. 44 00:03:01,380 --> 00:03:04,840 Anthony Stainfield, Nikki Madden, Liam Welsh. 45 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,760 The four of them were stopped in a car two and a bit months since. 46 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,350 A shitty, no insurance, no MOT. 47 00:03:10,420 --> 00:03:13,690 It was impounded, so we've still got it over at Collyhurst. 48 00:03:13,900 --> 00:03:17,940 Given that it's reasonable to assume some sort of vehicle was used 49 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,940 to take Darren Rigby to where he was set on fire, 50 00:03:20,980 --> 00:03:22,710 I want this car gone over thoroughly, 51 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,020 first job this morning. 52 00:03:24,030 --> 00:03:26,280 Let's get somebody over there, Andy, with a CSI. 53 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,730 Stainfield and Madden's address is next door but one to Nadia's. 54 00:03:30,740 --> 00:03:33,730 So we should have spoken to them by now in the house-to-house. 55 00:03:33,740 --> 00:03:37,390 But so far they haven't answered their door which... God knows. 56 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:38,940 This, 57 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:44,220 I'm confident from his arrest photo on a previous, is Liam Welsh. 58 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:49,420 Address: 22 Ashburnham Road, Ashfield. 59 00:03:50,220 --> 00:03:53,030 So let's pick him up for... Well, suspicion of murder. 60 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,240 He's got one of our victims' debit cards. 61 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,430 Any news on the lad in the phone box? 62 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,270 Syndicate Three has picked it up. 63 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,840 DCI Dodson - don't say anything, Kevin - 64 00:04:01,850 --> 00:04:04,240 is SIO-ing the scene for us and the PM. 65 00:04:04,250 --> 00:04:06,250 Aren't we assuming that they're linked? 66 00:04:06,260 --> 00:04:08,720 No, we're assuming they might be linked. 67 00:04:08,730 --> 00:04:11,470 The fact that he appears to have known something 68 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:12,780 about the people we're looking for 69 00:04:12,790 --> 00:04:14,290 suggests it's connected. But... 70 00:04:14,500 --> 00:04:17,580 equally, it doesn't mean that was why he was killed. So... 71 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,240 Has he been identified? 72 00:04:19,700 --> 00:04:21,120 His face was so badly pulped, 73 00:04:21,130 --> 00:04:22,430 he's unrecognizable. 74 00:04:22,700 --> 00:04:24,730 And there's no match with his fingerprints or 75 00:04:24,740 --> 00:04:26,420 DNA from our database? 76 00:04:26,860 --> 00:04:30,370 Has the CSM found anything in Nadia's house that we need to know about? 77 00:04:30,380 --> 00:04:32,390 - Not yet. - What are you charging Nadia 78 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,190 with for what she did to Rachel, ma'am? 79 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:35,740 GBH with intent. 80 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,180 So if she makes a complaint against me 81 00:04:38,190 --> 00:04:40,020 for twatting her over the head with a fire extinguisher? 82 00:04:40,030 --> 00:04:41,330 She'll be wasting her time. 83 00:04:41,340 --> 00:04:43,180 I mean, what was she thinking? 84 00:04:43,190 --> 00:04:45,530 Trying to throttle a police officer in broad daylight! 85 00:04:45,540 --> 00:04:47,430 Apart from the fact that she appears to be 86 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,280 involved in torturing and murdering people. 87 00:04:50,980 --> 00:04:53,060 Nadia's not paid to think, boss. 88 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:58,020 OK, let's have another go at trying to get Nadia to talk to us. 89 00:05:00,460 --> 00:05:02,050 OK, Nadia, 90 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,140 have you had any thoughts 91 00:05:04,580 --> 00:05:06,910 overnight about anything? 92 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,970 Anything that you want to say to me? 93 00:05:11,980 --> 00:05:13,690 Or tell me? 94 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,760 Or ask me? 95 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,590 OK, Nadia. Moving on. 96 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,130 Can you tell me, do you know a lad called Liam Welsh? 97 00:05:26,140 --> 00:05:27,440 No. 98 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,700 Do you know anyone who has owned or had access 99 00:05:31,710 --> 00:05:35,840 to a white Vauxhall Astra in the last six months? 100 00:05:37,220 --> 00:05:38,520 No. 101 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,500 A couple of months ago, Nadia, 102 00:05:40,510 --> 00:05:43,860 you were in a white Vauxhall Astra that was stopped by a police officer. 103 00:05:43,870 --> 00:05:45,740 What can you tell me about that? 104 00:05:46,940 --> 00:05:48,970 Just got stopped. 105 00:05:48,980 --> 00:05:50,280 I weren't doing anything. 106 00:05:50,490 --> 00:05:52,760 - Who were you with? - Mates. 107 00:05:52,770 --> 00:05:55,940 So I'll ask you again. 108 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,000 Do you know Liam Welsh? 109 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:05,500 No comment. 110 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,060 Nadia, I think you do know Liam Welsh. 111 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:12,850 When did you last see him? 112 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:14,580 No comment. 113 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,960 Have you seen him since you were with him in the vehicle that got stop-checked? 114 00:06:19,260 --> 00:06:20,560 No comment. 115 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,100 OK. 116 00:06:23,180 --> 00:06:27,450 Have you got any idea how or why, two days ago, 117 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,210 Liam Welsh was using Keith Fleming's debit card? 118 00:06:31,980 --> 00:06:33,280 No comment. 119 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,570 The same debit card that Keith Fleming 120 00:06:35,580 --> 00:06:37,840 used at the ATM in the Queen's Hotel 121 00:06:37,850 --> 00:06:41,980 when you went over to talk to him and watched him put his PIN number in. 122 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,720 Have you got any ideas how 123 00:06:45,740 --> 00:06:48,510 Liam Welsh might have got hold of that card? 124 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:50,500 No comment. 125 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,550 How well do you know Nikki Madden? 126 00:06:53,580 --> 00:06:55,920 She lives next door but one to you. 127 00:06:56,300 --> 00:06:57,600 I don't. 128 00:06:57,610 --> 00:06:59,780 How well do you know Anthony Stainfield? 129 00:07:00,100 --> 00:07:01,400 No comment. 130 00:07:01,620 --> 00:07:03,470 How many times have you been in a car 131 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,360 with Nikki Madden or Anthony Stainfield? 132 00:07:06,380 --> 00:07:07,680 No comment. 133 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,540 They were the names given by the other people 134 00:07:10,550 --> 00:07:13,280 that you were with in the white Vauxhall Astra 135 00:07:13,290 --> 00:07:15,480 that was stopped by the police officer. 136 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,310 How do you explain that? 137 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:21,780 No comment. 138 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,820 - Are you up? - It's good you're still seeing Sean. 139 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,080 I'm not still seeing Sean, Dom. 140 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:32,960 He just... stayed over. 141 00:07:33,380 --> 00:07:34,680 How's your neck? 142 00:07:34,690 --> 00:07:36,410 Listen... It's fine. 143 00:07:36,500 --> 00:07:38,600 I've left you a £20 note by the kettle. 144 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,660 I want you to get a bus into town, 145 00:07:41,270 --> 00:07:43,550 buy yourself a newspaper and go to the job center. 146 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,110 Go into all the big hotels and restaurants. 147 00:07:46,420 --> 00:07:48,280 Ask if they've got any jobs going in the kitchen. 148 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:51,320 And if they haven't, then leave them your phone number. 149 00:07:51,330 --> 00:07:53,630 So they can get hold of you if something crops up later. 150 00:07:53,740 --> 00:07:55,860 - OK. - Have you found it? 151 00:07:55,870 --> 00:07:57,170 Yeah. 152 00:07:57,180 --> 00:08:00,250 Right. There's cereal, there's bread, there's tea, there's milk. 153 00:08:00,260 --> 00:08:02,780 Get some breakfast inside you and text me. 154 00:08:03,380 --> 00:08:05,000 Let me know how you're getting on. 155 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:07,310 - Dom? - Yeah, yeah. 156 00:08:07,820 --> 00:08:09,660 Right. I've got to go. 157 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,200 Liam Welsh, not at the address in Ashburnham Road. 158 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,470 Stepdad said he hadn't seen him for three or four days 159 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,350 and didn't see much of him anyway. 160 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,480 - Have they searched it? - Yeah. 161 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:30,700 Hiya, Slap! 162 00:08:31,780 --> 00:08:33,080 We've identified the lad. 163 00:08:33,090 --> 00:08:35,640 Aaron Hicks. 17 years old. 164 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:37,220 - Hicks. Not? - Yeah. 165 00:08:37,230 --> 00:08:39,010 Brother of that girl you've arrested. 166 00:08:39,020 --> 00:08:41,680 Andy, telephone box lad is Nadia's brother. 167 00:08:41,690 --> 00:08:42,990 Aaron Hicks. 168 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,440 Yeah, I tell you what, that post mortem. Did you get my email? 169 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,880 Every bone in his head shattered. 170 00:08:48,890 --> 00:08:50,810 Half his brain spread across the pavement. 171 00:08:50,820 --> 00:08:52,790 Neck broken in three places. 172 00:08:52,860 --> 00:08:55,130 It's very different if it's the same people - 173 00:08:55,140 --> 00:08:57,640 person... to what they did to Rigby and Fleming. 174 00:08:57,650 --> 00:08:59,840 - Yeah. This was frenzied. - And some. 175 00:08:59,850 --> 00:09:01,150 Yeah. But... 176 00:09:01,460 --> 00:09:04,250 whoever did this was shutting this boy up fast. 177 00:09:04,260 --> 00:09:06,400 It was a very different kind of assault. 178 00:09:06,410 --> 00:09:10,030 It was expedient, but it was just as vicious. 179 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,630 You know she's his next of kin, don't you? Nadia. 180 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,520 There's no parents. 181 00:09:15,540 --> 00:09:17,770 Can you get one of your people in to break it to her? 182 00:09:17,780 --> 00:09:19,080 Sure. 183 00:09:23,140 --> 00:09:24,440 Rachel. 184 00:09:24,450 --> 00:09:27,230 There's blood in the boot and an empty petrol container. 185 00:09:27,540 --> 00:09:28,840 Hold on. 186 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,420 Boss. 187 00:09:32,540 --> 00:09:34,760 Sorry. Blood in the boot of the Astra. 188 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,220 Just a second, Slap. 189 00:09:36,230 --> 00:09:38,230 Bring it in. We'll fast-track it down the lab. 190 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,890 - Did you hear that? - Yeah. 191 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,200 That Astra was registered as scrap 192 00:09:42,210 --> 00:09:44,960 18 months ago. October 2010. 193 00:09:44,980 --> 00:09:46,970 I want to know everyone who's driven it since it went bandit. 194 00:09:46,980 --> 00:09:48,400 And specifically when Stainfield 195 00:09:48,410 --> 00:09:50,220 or Madden got possession of it. 196 00:09:50,230 --> 00:09:51,960 You want to wait for the results of this blood? 197 00:09:51,970 --> 00:09:54,050 No. It's blood and that car was seized from them. 198 00:09:54,060 --> 00:09:55,630 I'm happy to make an arrest. 199 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:57,260 Let's go knocking on their door again. 200 00:09:57,570 --> 00:09:59,140 A bit louder this time. 201 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:01,750 - Are you still there? - Did you hear that? 202 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,060 Yep. 203 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,660 Police! Open the door! 204 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,140 You're catching the dog. 205 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:31,940 OK. 206 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:37,620 Police! 207 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,130 Oi! Oi! 208 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:41,700 Police! 209 00:10:41,940 --> 00:10:43,240 Show yourselves! 210 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,580 Police! 211 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:51,820 Bleach. 212 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,230 Steady! Steady! Right, out you come. 213 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,750 Hands where I can see them. 214 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,270 Manchester Metropolitan Police 215 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:05,610 Major Incident Team. 216 00:11:05,620 --> 00:11:06,920 What's your name? 217 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,100 - Why? - Just give the officer your name. 218 00:11:10,110 --> 00:11:12,140 - Come on, it's not rocket science. - Nikki. 219 00:11:12,150 --> 00:11:14,710 - Nikki what? - You're hurting me. 220 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,810 - Nikki what? - Come on out. I can see you. 221 00:11:16,820 --> 00:11:18,150 I'm arresting you on suspicion of murder. 222 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:19,520 - You don't say anything, - Why? 223 00:11:19,530 --> 00:11:20,910 - But it may harm your defense - Why? 224 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,610 ...if you do not mention, when questioned, 225 00:11:22,620 --> 00:11:24,480 something you later rely on in court. 226 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,360 - What's your name? - Anthony Stainfield. 227 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,100 Your full name. 228 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,040 Anthony... John... Stainfield. 229 00:11:37,050 --> 00:11:38,860 Is that your car outside? 230 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,580 Right, put that on. Let's get him downstairs. 231 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,000 Last night? 232 00:11:50,010 --> 00:11:51,600 The reason we haven't told you any sooner 233 00:11:51,610 --> 00:11:53,570 is we've only just identified him. 234 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,550 Is there anything you want to ask me? 235 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,810 Aaron was badly assaulted before he died. 236 00:12:07,020 --> 00:12:08,770 As yet, we've got no leads 237 00:12:08,780 --> 00:12:10,620 as to who might have done this to him. 238 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,640 What I need you to think about for me, Nadia, 239 00:12:15,380 --> 00:12:16,840 and for Aaron, 240 00:12:17,260 --> 00:12:19,350 is anyone he might have been frightened of, 241 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,150 anyone who had a grudge against him, 242 00:12:23,060 --> 00:12:24,750 anyone he owed money to. 243 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,700 I'm going to give you some time to yourself. 244 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,860 But then Detective Constable Scott is going to come back in 245 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,740 and she'll talk to you. 246 00:12:32,820 --> 00:12:34,780 And see if you've had any thoughts. 247 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,220 All right? 248 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,980 Is there anyone you'd like us to tell? 249 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,860 There is no-one else. 250 00:13:12,420 --> 00:13:14,000 What's all this, then, lady? 251 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,670 - Who are they from? - No-one. 252 00:13:18,940 --> 00:13:20,240 Who? 253 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,870 Yeah, I forgot. I sent them. 254 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,170 - Did you? - No. 255 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,530 Stainfield and Madden checked in. 256 00:13:30,540 --> 00:13:33,730 Currently downstairs availing themselves of our ensuite facilities. 257 00:13:33,740 --> 00:13:35,250 Any sign of Liam Welsh? 258 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,450 I suppose that would have been too easy. 259 00:13:37,460 --> 00:13:39,730 Result from Keith Fleming's anal swab... 260 00:13:39,740 --> 00:13:41,850 Anthony Stainfield's semen. 261 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,560 So pending just a bit more forensic evidence from the house, 262 00:13:48,570 --> 00:13:51,180 I need to get Stainfield and Madden talking. 263 00:13:51,190 --> 00:13:52,980 I want to hear all their lies, 264 00:13:52,990 --> 00:13:54,490 all their rubbish, all their shit. 265 00:13:54,620 --> 00:13:58,580 In round two, we try and piece together what did happen, 266 00:13:58,590 --> 00:14:02,160 more than likely, in that room they bleached. 267 00:14:03,260 --> 00:14:05,080 I think he likes you, ma'am! 268 00:14:05,660 --> 00:14:06,960 Janet, get back in with Nadia. 269 00:14:06,970 --> 00:14:09,800 She had a telling reaction to being told her brother was dead. 270 00:14:09,810 --> 00:14:11,240 - Telling, how? - Well, 271 00:14:11,250 --> 00:14:12,550 I know everyone reacts differently, 272 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:14,830 but she didn't ask me one single question. 273 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,780 Maybe that's because she already knows the answers. 274 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,570 You're FLO-ing on the Keith Fleming job, aren't you? 275 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,540 - Yep. - How is his wife? 276 00:14:22,580 --> 00:14:25,460 She's put in a complaint about you. 277 00:14:25,470 --> 00:14:26,770 What?! I didn't do anything. 278 00:14:26,780 --> 00:14:28,410 Implying her husband was a pedophile. 279 00:14:28,420 --> 00:14:29,960 I didn't. She implied it herself. 280 00:14:29,980 --> 00:14:32,340 You've got to be more delicate with folk. 281 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,420 OK. I don't know what she's told you. 282 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,600 I did the job as delicately, 283 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,150 as kindly, as I could. She just went off on one. 284 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,050 She's a very intelligent lady. 285 00:14:41,060 --> 00:14:43,040 She's not going to be making stuff up. 286 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:44,380 She's not... 287 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:46,700 How much service have you got? 288 00:14:46,710 --> 00:14:48,670 Can I introduce you to the great British public? 289 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,250 You've not got the hots for the widow, have you? 290 00:14:53,100 --> 00:14:55,570 It might all be crossed wires, Rachel. 291 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,950 I just think you can come across as... 292 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,620 What? 293 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:02,230 Aggressive. Sometimes. 294 00:15:02,300 --> 00:15:03,780 Fuck off. 295 00:15:04,940 --> 00:15:06,420 I rest my case. 296 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,460 So you are aware, Anthony, that this interview is being videoed. 297 00:15:09,470 --> 00:15:11,180 And it may be shown in court, 298 00:15:11,190 --> 00:15:12,590 should we get that far. 299 00:15:12,620 --> 00:15:14,390 Could I... Before we start, 300 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,540 my client has informed me that he doesn't intend 301 00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:17,980 to answer any of your questions. 302 00:15:17,990 --> 00:15:19,360 That's his prerogative. 303 00:15:19,370 --> 00:15:21,530 You are aware I am going to ask the questions anyway. 304 00:15:21,540 --> 00:15:23,110 Have you made that clear to him? 305 00:15:23,340 --> 00:15:25,510 - I have, yes. - OK. 306 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:27,920 Anthony, 307 00:15:27,930 --> 00:15:30,420 we are investigating the murder of Darren Rigby. 308 00:15:31,740 --> 00:15:33,620 And the murder of Keith Fleming. 309 00:15:33,820 --> 00:15:36,340 I'd like to talk to you about these two murders individually. 310 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,060 So Anthony, 311 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,280 could you tell me what you know about the murder of Darren Rigby? 312 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:42,780 No comment. 313 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,500 Have you ever seen this man before? 314 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,060 It's Darren Rigby. 315 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,090 The man who was murdered. 316 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:57,580 No comment. 317 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,120 Has this man ever been in your house? 318 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:03,860 No comment. 319 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,990 I do appreciate how upset you are, Nadia. 320 00:16:08,820 --> 00:16:12,720 But at the same time, you are under arrest on suspicion of murder. 321 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,530 And we are obliged to move forward with that enquiry. 322 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,400 Now we have reason to believe 323 00:16:21,410 --> 00:16:24,800 that there may be a link between whoever killed Keith and Darren 324 00:16:24,810 --> 00:16:26,760 and whoever killed your brother. 325 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,310 We know that you weren't responsible for your brother's death 326 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,250 because you were here with us when that happened. 327 00:16:32,900 --> 00:16:36,000 So I'm going to ask you a question I've asked before. 328 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,780 Do you know Nikki Madden and Anthony Stainfield? 329 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:50,030 Like I told you, Nadia, they live next door but one to you. 330 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,340 No comment. 331 00:16:52,060 --> 00:16:55,230 They were in the same car you were in two months ago, 332 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,110 with Liam Welsh, when the four of you 333 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,440 were stopped by the police. 334 00:16:58,450 --> 00:17:00,600 So we know that you know them. 335 00:17:01,860 --> 00:17:04,980 Can you describe your relationship with them to me? 336 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:07,740 No comment. 337 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:12,880 Nadia, 338 00:17:12,890 --> 00:17:17,130 the advice that your solicitor has given to you not to comment is just that. 339 00:17:17,140 --> 00:17:20,840 Advice. You can decide to speak to us if you want to. 340 00:17:20,850 --> 00:17:24,150 Can I just remind you that if you are charged with murder, 341 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,270 it will be you standing in that dock in court. 342 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:28,580 Not him. 343 00:17:28,590 --> 00:17:33,280 So if you've got anything to say to us that will help you or us, 344 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,290 I would advise you to give us your side of events. 345 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:37,900 No comment. 346 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,480 Would you like a cup of tea? 347 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:50,820 No comment. 348 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,060 No... 349 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:59,740 Nadia, I'm asking you, would you like a cup of tea? 350 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:13,400 - Oh, ma'am - - That should be in a police kennel. 351 00:18:13,620 --> 00:18:15,960 I know, but Andy wants me to get its DNA 352 00:18:15,970 --> 00:18:17,270 and paw prints. 353 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,360 So do I do that downstairs? 354 00:18:19,370 --> 00:18:22,460 Like... You know... Humans. Or... 355 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:26,370 So what do I... 356 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,580 Who might be able to help with doggie DNA and doggie paw prints? 357 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,780 Think about it. 358 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,380 A vet? 359 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,270 - Any vet? - I don't know! 360 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,070 Pick up the phone and ring round. 361 00:18:43,140 --> 00:18:44,710 Call the dog section. 362 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,740 And get a CSI to go with you. 363 00:18:48,820 --> 00:18:51,730 What drew you to MIT, Kevin? 364 00:18:51,740 --> 00:18:53,590 Oh, you know, kudos. 365 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,540 Chick magnet. That sort of... 366 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:57,980 ...thing. 367 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,950 Good afternoon, this is DC Lumb, MIT. 368 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,520 I'm wondering if you're able to help me. 369 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:04,980 No comment. 370 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,140 The dog. 371 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,760 The one that was in your house, Nikki. 372 00:19:13,740 --> 00:19:15,210 Is that your dog? 373 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:16,940 No comment. 374 00:19:18,820 --> 00:19:20,450 Do you know whose dog it is? 375 00:19:21,580 --> 00:19:22,880 No comment. 376 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,960 Do you know where the dog came from? 377 00:19:24,970 --> 00:19:26,270 No comment. 378 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,290 Why was the dog at your house? 379 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,340 No comment. 380 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,660 Anthony, did you abduct Darren Rigby? 381 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,260 No comment. 382 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,750 Were you involved in causing any injuries to Darren Rigby? 383 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,060 No comment. 384 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,430 What physical contact did you have with Darren Rigby? 385 00:19:49,540 --> 00:19:50,840 No comment. 386 00:19:51,020 --> 00:19:53,990 What sexual contact did you have with Darren Rigby? 387 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,300 No comment. 388 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,880 Did you murder Darren Rigby? 389 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,200 ♪ No comment ♪ 390 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:08,300 Can I remind you, Anthony, 391 00:20:08,610 --> 00:20:10,430 that we are talking about the sickening, 392 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,450 horrendous murder of a vulnerable man? 393 00:20:13,460 --> 00:20:16,220 Could you not sing at me? 394 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,720 This tape may be shown to a jury at some point in the future. 395 00:20:20,730 --> 00:20:24,760 Do you not think that your attitude might come across as unusual? 396 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,690 What a day! No bugger talking. 397 00:20:32,700 --> 00:20:35,540 And it's going to take Forensics ten times longer than normal 398 00:20:35,550 --> 00:20:38,020 because of all the bleach they've splashed around. 399 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,850 What about the car outside his house? 400 00:20:39,860 --> 00:20:42,240 Same. They've bleached the boot. 401 00:20:42,250 --> 00:20:43,550 Nice bit of circumstantial, 402 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:44,860 but nothing you can guarantee they won't 403 00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:46,290 - wriggle off on. - Well, still got 404 00:20:46,300 --> 00:20:48,670 the blood in the boot of the white Vauxhall. 405 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,300 Still pending a match with Darren Rigby's blood. 406 00:20:51,340 --> 00:20:54,130 - How come? - We've not had a positive result yet. 407 00:20:54,180 --> 00:20:57,030 I heard her bollocking some poor bugger at the lab. 408 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,090 'I'm not paying for a fucking premium rate result 409 00:21:00,100 --> 00:21:01,710 'and it taking this long!' 410 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:03,780 What about Liam Welsh? 411 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,580 Well, they've checked all his known addresses, 412 00:21:06,590 --> 00:21:08,180 known associates. 413 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,350 He's circulated as wanted on PNC. 414 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:14,760 But I assume he's worked out he's in it up to his neck. 415 00:21:14,770 --> 00:21:17,280 So he'll be on his toes. I would be. 416 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,450 OK, go home. Get your heads down. 417 00:21:23,460 --> 00:21:25,980 Let's kick it off seven o'clock tomorrow morning. 418 00:21:26,540 --> 00:21:28,150 You're doing really well. 419 00:21:28,770 --> 00:21:30,490 All of you. Honestly. 420 00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:31,800 It's just... 421 00:21:32,140 --> 00:21:34,260 Old story. Just need to get one of them talking 422 00:21:34,270 --> 00:21:37,370 pending forensic evidence. And we will get some. 423 00:21:37,380 --> 00:21:39,390 I just need one of them talking 424 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:40,700 and the other two will follow suit. 425 00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:43,830 It's just finding a key. This is... 426 00:21:44,140 --> 00:21:46,170 Shit, why would you defend people 427 00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:48,130 you knew had murdered your brother? 428 00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:50,760 I mean, it isn't like she's not upset about it, is it? 429 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,720 No, not in the least. 430 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,420 What have they got over her? 431 00:21:54,770 --> 00:21:56,900 They killed Darren because they needed to. 432 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,280 Because they couldn't rely on him to keep his gob shut. 433 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,440 Assuming it was them... that killed Darren. 434 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,270 - We need Liam. - Well, we'll get him. 435 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,670 This is a lad who sits for three weeks between arrests 436 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:11,980 on average. So... 437 00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:13,290 So night-night! 438 00:22:13,420 --> 00:22:15,030 Thinking caps back on tomorrow. 439 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,260 Night. 440 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,040 Are we still on for tomorrow night, birthday person? 441 00:22:24,380 --> 00:22:26,720 Haven't you got enough on at home with your mum and Ade? 442 00:22:27,820 --> 00:22:29,920 Did you work out who those flowers were from? 443 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,980 - I know who it will be. - Who? 444 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,040 - In fact... - Who?! 445 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,300 Night. 446 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,340 Who? 447 00:22:41,380 --> 00:22:44,340 Have you got time for a drink or... 448 00:22:45,300 --> 00:22:46,680 Do you mind? 449 00:22:47,740 --> 00:22:50,080 - Good night. - Night. 450 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,220 Hallelujah! 451 00:22:53,460 --> 00:22:55,940 We've had a call from CID at Euston. 452 00:22:55,980 --> 00:22:58,000 British Transport Police stop-checked a lad 453 00:22:58,010 --> 00:22:59,490 they suspected of soliciting. 454 00:22:59,500 --> 00:23:01,410 - Euston? - Liam Welsh. 455 00:23:01,420 --> 00:23:04,330 They PNC'd him. Saw we'd circulated him as wanted. 456 00:23:04,340 --> 00:23:05,640 They've arrested him. 457 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:06,980 Vinnie's getting me a couple of night crew 458 00:23:06,990 --> 00:23:08,720 to drive down and pick him up. 459 00:23:09,530 --> 00:23:11,710 Adrian took the girls to their drama group. 460 00:23:12,910 --> 00:23:14,470 - Did you see him? - No. 461 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,490 No. He just sent them a text and waited outside. 462 00:23:19,150 --> 00:23:20,450 Janet, 463 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,720 I honestly didn't say anything to him that could be in any way misconstrued. 464 00:23:25,730 --> 00:23:27,760 Mum, it's fine. 465 00:23:27,980 --> 00:23:29,890 It wasn't about you. 466 00:23:30,770 --> 00:23:32,690 Has Taisie been all right? 467 00:23:33,910 --> 00:23:35,450 Not really. 468 00:23:36,450 --> 00:23:39,560 I think I should go home and manage. 469 00:23:39,570 --> 00:23:41,400 And Adrian should move back in. 470 00:23:41,410 --> 00:23:42,710 No. 471 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:45,310 It's over. It's been over for some time. 472 00:23:45,550 --> 00:23:49,090 I've only put up with it because of practical things like the girls... 473 00:23:53,860 --> 00:23:55,160 I've been... 474 00:23:55,780 --> 00:23:57,850 a wimp actually. 475 00:23:58,210 --> 00:24:00,090 If I'm being honest. 476 00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:03,350 I've pretended that there was nothing wrong. And there is. 477 00:24:03,470 --> 00:24:06,280 We don't go anywhere together, we don't do anything together. 478 00:24:06,290 --> 00:24:07,610 Isn't that because of your job? 479 00:24:07,620 --> 00:24:09,980 No. If we wanted to do stuff together, 480 00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:11,760 we would. You find time. 481 00:24:12,290 --> 00:24:13,900 Look at Rachel. She's got a life. 482 00:24:13,910 --> 00:24:15,890 She works just as hard as I do. 483 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,390 I come in and often... 484 00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:24,510 He just looks so miserable. 485 00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:28,290 I don't make him happy. He doesn't make me happy. 486 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:30,870 - Why go on? - For the girls. 487 00:24:31,290 --> 00:24:34,310 And Rachel is 15 years younger than you. 488 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,460 She has no responsibilities. 489 00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:39,180 I've been doing it for the girls for... 490 00:24:40,190 --> 00:24:43,680 God, longer than I care to remember. 491 00:24:43,690 --> 00:24:47,920 There comes a point when it ceases to be the responsible thing to do 492 00:24:47,930 --> 00:24:49,230 frankly. 493 00:24:51,390 --> 00:24:53,010 Somehow. 494 00:24:56,270 --> 00:24:58,030 Is there someone else? 495 00:25:01,290 --> 00:25:02,590 No. 496 00:25:22,810 --> 00:25:24,110 Who's that? 497 00:25:33,180 --> 00:25:34,940 I've just knocked off. 498 00:25:35,950 --> 00:25:38,320 Well, you see, this is the difference 499 00:25:38,530 --> 00:25:41,920 between you lightweights in uniform and us detectives. 500 00:25:43,060 --> 00:25:44,430 You were on 3-11. 501 00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:46,660 I started work at eight o'clock this morning. 502 00:25:46,670 --> 00:25:48,900 And we've both just knocked off. 503 00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:51,430 So are you putting the kettle on? 504 00:25:51,790 --> 00:25:54,710 No, Sean. I'm going to bed. 505 00:25:56,010 --> 00:25:58,870 - On my own. - Oh, that's no fun, is it? 506 00:26:00,370 --> 00:26:02,140 Come on, move along now. 507 00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:04,580 It's your birthday tomorrow. 508 00:26:05,070 --> 00:26:06,370 Is it? 509 00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:08,780 So what are we doing? Where are we going? 510 00:26:12,380 --> 00:26:14,370 What's the question? 511 00:26:15,810 --> 00:26:18,130 Nothing. Go on, go to bed. 512 00:26:18,450 --> 00:26:20,050 I'll ring you tomorrow. 513 00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:22,950 I thought I had to tell you something. 514 00:26:24,150 --> 00:26:25,450 What? 515 00:26:27,970 --> 00:26:30,530 Can't remember. It will come back to me when you've gone. 516 00:26:33,310 --> 00:26:34,610 See you. 517 00:26:38,770 --> 00:26:40,070 Oh, yeah. 518 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,020 Thanks for the flowers, knobhead. 519 00:26:49,620 --> 00:26:51,550 OK. So do you understand everything 520 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,620 I've explained to you about your rights, Liam? 521 00:26:54,090 --> 00:26:56,360 - Yep. - OK. 522 00:26:56,730 --> 00:26:58,620 So can you tell me what you know 523 00:26:58,630 --> 00:27:00,280 about the murder of Darren Rigby? 524 00:27:04,050 --> 00:27:05,350 No comment. 525 00:27:06,290 --> 00:27:08,260 Have you ever met Darren Rigby? 526 00:27:09,410 --> 00:27:10,710 No comment. 527 00:27:11,690 --> 00:27:13,900 Have you ever been in a white Vauxhall Astra? 528 00:27:14,610 --> 00:27:15,910 No comment. 529 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,340 Boss, bit of a problem. 530 00:27:17,550 --> 00:27:20,220 Janet's not been able to kick off the interview with Nadia again. 531 00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:22,100 Because the solicitor's not turned up. 532 00:27:24,010 --> 00:27:25,640 Can you remember who was in the Astra with you 533 00:27:25,650 --> 00:27:27,780 when you were stopped by the police officer? 534 00:27:31,770 --> 00:27:34,340 - Have you got his mobile number? - I've rung it. 535 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:35,670 You've rung his office? 536 00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:38,810 Something has cropped up apparently with another client. 537 00:27:38,820 --> 00:27:42,340 We're on a pace clock. We've only got her for another six hours. 538 00:27:42,350 --> 00:27:43,690 What does he not get? 539 00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:47,440 - It's always the same ones. - DC Scott, MIT. 540 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,240 Boss, it's him. The solicitor. 541 00:27:51,250 --> 00:27:54,070 He's just arrived. He's just downstairs. 542 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,070 Mr. Cottrell, DCI Murray. 543 00:27:58,350 --> 00:27:59,830 It's half-past eleven. 544 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,620 We agreed last night you'd be back in here 545 00:28:01,630 --> 00:28:03,100 at eight o'clock this morning. 546 00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:05,780 The first time we had this conversation was over a year ago 547 00:28:05,790 --> 00:28:07,650 and it's happened several times since. 548 00:28:07,660 --> 00:28:10,380 Last time, I said I'd report you to the Law Society. 549 00:28:10,390 --> 00:28:11,690 Guess what. I didn't. 550 00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:13,590 This time, all bets are off. 551 00:28:13,610 --> 00:28:15,000 Get in that interview room now 552 00:28:15,010 --> 00:28:18,420 or I'm talking to your senior partner and your arse is grass. 553 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,630 OK, Nadia, I have to tell you again 554 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,080 that you have been arrested on suspicion of murder. 555 00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:42,170 And I need to remind you that 556 00:28:42,180 --> 00:28:45,070 this interview is being video-recorded. And - 557 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,120 I saw Liam's name on the board outside the cells. 558 00:28:49,610 --> 00:28:51,010 Does that mean you've got him? 559 00:28:54,750 --> 00:28:56,050 Yes. 560 00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:58,290 He was arrested last night. 561 00:29:02,170 --> 00:29:03,850 Are you charging him with our Aaron? 562 00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:06,490 We're not dealing with what happened to Aaron. 563 00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:08,190 Another syndicate is. 564 00:29:09,020 --> 00:29:11,290 But do you have reason to believe that Liam might 565 00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:13,300 have had something to do with your brother's death? 566 00:29:23,310 --> 00:29:24,970 He knew things. 567 00:29:26,050 --> 00:29:27,490 What went on at that house. 568 00:29:28,090 --> 00:29:29,390 Aaron did. 569 00:29:30,130 --> 00:29:32,060 - Nadia, can I just remind you... - Hiya. 570 00:29:32,170 --> 00:29:34,480 Can you tell the boss that Nadia's started talking? 571 00:29:34,990 --> 00:29:36,680 I understand that. I'm not thick. 572 00:29:36,890 --> 00:29:38,190 The thing is... 573 00:29:39,210 --> 00:29:41,910 Tony and Liam between them, they're... 574 00:29:42,410 --> 00:29:44,590 ...evil and weird. 575 00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:49,930 Liam will try and tell you that it was all me and Nikki. 576 00:29:49,940 --> 00:29:52,380 But it weren't. 577 00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:56,790 Can you just start at the beginning, Nadia? 578 00:29:57,190 --> 00:30:01,230 How is Liam connected to Nikki and Tony? 579 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,340 Our Aaron. 580 00:30:04,650 --> 00:30:06,640 He took him round there. 581 00:30:06,850 --> 00:30:08,150 Liam. 582 00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:09,930 When they were friends. 583 00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:15,210 And then he started going round there without our Aaron. 584 00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:19,310 I don't know. I don't know. 585 00:30:20,650 --> 00:30:22,820 Him and Liam... 586 00:30:26,750 --> 00:30:29,560 Are you going to tell me what happened to Darren Rigby? 587 00:30:30,770 --> 00:30:32,070 Nadia? 588 00:30:33,690 --> 00:30:36,330 Liam... reckoned Darren 589 00:30:36,340 --> 00:30:37,780 owed him £5 for t'dog. 590 00:30:37,810 --> 00:30:40,260 You know, the one you asked me about. 591 00:30:41,250 --> 00:30:43,090 Darren said that he didn't. 592 00:30:43,390 --> 00:30:45,620 And that he'd already paid him. 593 00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:50,460 So they decided to teach him a lesson. 594 00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:51,770 Who did? 595 00:30:52,770 --> 00:30:54,210 Tony and Liam. 596 00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:55,980 What about Nikki? 597 00:31:04,050 --> 00:31:06,910 She picked up Darren and Keith simply as punters. 598 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,700 She had no idea, she says, 599 00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:11,140 at that stage, what they were going to do to them. 600 00:31:11,730 --> 00:31:13,340 I buy that with Darren Rigby. 601 00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:14,860 Not with Keith Fleming. 602 00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:17,010 She picks men up all the time for money. 603 00:31:17,020 --> 00:31:19,150 It's her job. She picked up plenty of other men, 604 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,700 between Darren and Keith, 605 00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:23,340 who Stainfield and Liam hadn't lured round to the other house 606 00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:24,740 and pounced on. 607 00:31:24,810 --> 00:31:27,050 OK, but Nikki Madden, she lives in that house. 608 00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:28,520 She must have known what was going on. 609 00:31:28,530 --> 00:31:29,830 Of course she did. 610 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,640 But she won't talk about Nikki. She just cries. 611 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,980 Why? 612 00:31:35,490 --> 00:31:37,890 I think that she's in love with her. 613 00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:41,110 I think that that's the reason she's been silent. 614 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,200 To protect Nikki. 615 00:31:43,210 --> 00:31:45,860 It's been a toss-up for her whether to protect Nikki 616 00:31:45,870 --> 00:31:49,120 or dob Stainfield and Liam in it. 617 00:31:49,140 --> 00:31:52,320 And she couldn't dob them in it without implicating Nikki. 618 00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:55,060 OK. Let's get back in there. 619 00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:56,600 See how the others react once they know 620 00:31:56,610 --> 00:31:57,910 Nadia's talking. 621 00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:04,490 It was all Nikki's idea. 622 00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:06,700 All the stuff we did to him. 623 00:32:07,370 --> 00:32:10,010 It were Tony did stuff. 624 00:32:10,210 --> 00:32:12,400 But Liam were the one egging him on. 625 00:32:12,420 --> 00:32:14,150 Tony can be a nutter. 626 00:32:14,770 --> 00:32:16,640 Liam's a freak. 627 00:32:16,830 --> 00:32:18,420 Nikki's evil. 628 00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:21,040 Nikki and Nadia together... 629 00:32:22,650 --> 00:32:25,060 Tony's terrified of Nikki. 630 00:32:25,670 --> 00:32:28,990 She made him give that second bloke one up the arse. 631 00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:31,380 She made him. 632 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,970 Can we start at the beginning? Can we go right back? 633 00:32:35,180 --> 00:32:37,640 Going back to the night that Aaron was round at your house, 634 00:32:37,650 --> 00:32:38,950 and told Liam 635 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,840 that Darren was round at Nadia's house 636 00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:43,650 with the dog that he owed this ã5 for. 637 00:32:44,790 --> 00:32:46,630 God, now you're asking. 638 00:32:48,130 --> 00:32:49,690 I've slept since then. 639 00:32:50,140 --> 00:32:51,690 So Aaron were round ours 640 00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:54,430 whingeing about Darren being round at Nadia's. 641 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,060 Tony said, 'Ring Nadia. 642 00:32:57,070 --> 00:32:58,950 'Get her to bring Darren round here. 643 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,790 'And I'll get your ã5 off him for you.' 644 00:33:02,850 --> 00:33:06,110 I don't think he wanted Liam to get the ã5. 645 00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:09,830 I think he wanted Darren round at our house to, 646 00:33:09,870 --> 00:33:12,460 like, prove something to Liam. 647 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,220 That he's a hard man. 648 00:33:15,030 --> 00:33:16,960 I think he would have been disappointed 649 00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:20,360 if Darren had give him the ã5. 650 00:33:21,130 --> 00:33:23,530 How did Darren end up in the bedroom? 651 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,280 I think he was so pissed, he just crashed out. 652 00:33:27,850 --> 00:33:30,940 So he went upstairs by himself. 653 00:33:31,010 --> 00:33:33,610 I don't know. I don't know how he got upstairs. 654 00:33:35,410 --> 00:33:38,440 But I could still hear Tony going on at him after he went upstairs. 655 00:33:39,690 --> 00:33:41,740 I don't know. I went home. 656 00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:45,630 I didn't know they were going to keep him there. 657 00:33:48,570 --> 00:33:51,370 Next morning, I'd crashed. 658 00:33:51,870 --> 00:33:53,750 Darren had puked everywhere. 659 00:33:53,780 --> 00:33:55,510 All down his self. 660 00:33:56,210 --> 00:33:57,790 Nikki was shouting at him. 661 00:33:57,910 --> 00:34:00,160 'You dirty bastard', like this. 662 00:34:01,270 --> 00:34:03,220 She made him take his clothes off. 663 00:34:03,370 --> 00:34:06,460 So she could wash him, she said. 664 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,620 Filthy git. 665 00:34:08,630 --> 00:34:11,490 So I'm downstairs. 666 00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:14,180 - I was downstairs. - I'd gone out. 667 00:34:14,190 --> 00:34:16,960 And I heard this banging. 668 00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:20,550 Like nails being knocked into wood. 669 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,140 Nikki and Nadia, 670 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,980 it were them two strung him up on the door. 671 00:34:26,290 --> 00:34:29,010 I come home mid-afternoon. 672 00:34:29,540 --> 00:34:30,840 And there he was. 673 00:34:31,930 --> 00:34:34,830 Like, 'What are you playing at? 674 00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:36,740 'What are you doing?' 675 00:34:36,810 --> 00:34:38,480 He were crying. 676 00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:41,620 He must have been there days. 677 00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:45,390 Because I didn't go back in there till... 678 00:34:46,890 --> 00:34:49,250 ...Wednesday, I think it was. 679 00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:50,560 Yeah. 680 00:34:51,450 --> 00:34:52,900 Three days later. 681 00:34:54,650 --> 00:34:56,960 Nikki said that it was Tony and Liam. 682 00:34:56,970 --> 00:35:00,380 And how she couldn't stop them. 683 00:35:01,230 --> 00:35:03,310 It were Nikki's idea to burn him. 684 00:35:03,650 --> 00:35:05,190 I went with them. 685 00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:08,570 Because I were frightened of what would happen if I didn't. 686 00:35:08,580 --> 00:35:10,380 If I hadn't have gone, 687 00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:12,560 Anthony would have got nasty. 688 00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:16,230 He never used to be like that before he met Liam. 689 00:35:17,220 --> 00:35:18,520 Anyway, 690 00:35:19,490 --> 00:35:22,660 Tony said we were all in it together by that time. 691 00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:25,400 Whether we liked it or not. 692 00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:28,390 Nikki said we were in it together by then. 693 00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:31,190 Whether we liked it or not. 694 00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:33,030 So... 695 00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:36,220 Can we move on to the murder of Keith Fleming? 696 00:35:37,220 --> 00:35:39,520 Is there anything that you can tell me about that? 697 00:35:40,190 --> 00:35:41,650 It were Nadia. 698 00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:46,510 Trying to get inside Nikki's knickers. 699 00:35:48,450 --> 00:35:49,750 She said... 700 00:35:51,810 --> 00:35:53,310 'Do you want to do another?' 701 00:35:55,770 --> 00:35:57,580 'Do you want me to get you another one?' 702 00:36:00,140 --> 00:36:01,510 Aren't they all lovely? 703 00:36:01,710 --> 00:36:04,580 Nadia thinks her and Nikki are Thelma and Louise. 704 00:36:04,590 --> 00:36:07,340 Nikki thinks her and Stainfield are Bonnie and Clyde. 705 00:36:07,350 --> 00:36:10,190 And Stainfield thinks him and Liam are Brokeback Mountain. 706 00:36:11,170 --> 00:36:13,570 Who's the closest to telling the truth? Anybody? 707 00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:17,420 I keep thinking Nadia because she's so thick. 708 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,320 The more Nadia says, the more it's riddled with holes. 709 00:36:20,340 --> 00:36:21,640 Of course it is. 710 00:36:21,710 --> 00:36:23,010 Are they all psychopaths? 711 00:36:23,020 --> 00:36:25,260 In my expert medical opinion? 712 00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:27,480 Not Nadia. She's too thick. 713 00:36:27,490 --> 00:36:30,390 Stainfield is. He's a wanker anyway. 714 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,610 In my expert medical opinion. 715 00:36:32,770 --> 00:36:34,070 He said to me, 716 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,900 'Can you call me Tony? 717 00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:37,510 'Only my mother calls me Anthony. 718 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,080 'And that's when I've done something wrong and I'm in trouble.' 719 00:36:40,270 --> 00:36:42,720 Does he think this isn't trouble?! 720 00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:45,190 I feel a bit sorry for Nadia. 721 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,330 I think if she hadn't met that lot... 722 00:36:47,350 --> 00:36:49,540 I don't think she's actually evil. 723 00:36:49,890 --> 00:36:51,380 Shall we agree to differ? 724 00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:54,440 I think she did what she did because in their sad, 725 00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:57,470 tiny, nasty little world, 726 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,780 Stainfield and Madden are the closest thing that 727 00:36:59,790 --> 00:37:02,320 her and Aaron have ever had to a proper family. 728 00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:05,000 See you upstairs, ladies. 729 00:37:08,420 --> 00:37:11,920 Why don't you want Andy to know about you and Ade? 730 00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:21,840 I've been seeing him again. 731 00:37:22,130 --> 00:37:23,640 Andy. Well... 732 00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:26,020 Not seeing him. 733 00:37:26,810 --> 00:37:29,550 You know that night when you and Gill were... 734 00:37:30,490 --> 00:37:32,640 It was the day that Nick Savage got arrested. 735 00:37:32,650 --> 00:37:34,820 And I was waiting here for you. 736 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,140 Yeah. 737 00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:40,030 We had a bit of a snog. 738 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:42,970 And we've kept on having a bit of a snog. 739 00:37:42,990 --> 00:37:47,010 And I don't want Andy to think that I've split up with Ade because of him. 740 00:37:47,020 --> 00:37:50,990 Because I haven't. But Andy won't see it that way, believe you me. 741 00:37:51,010 --> 00:37:52,310 He'll want to move in. 742 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,960 Or he'll want me and the girls to move in with him. 743 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,210 It's just not what I want. 744 00:38:08,890 --> 00:38:12,640 Right. We have now got CCTV of Nikki 745 00:38:12,650 --> 00:38:14,780 buying bleach from the local shop. 746 00:38:14,890 --> 00:38:18,390 We've got the receipt, we've got the shopkeeper identifying her. 747 00:38:18,690 --> 00:38:20,480 It struck him as odd because she's normally 748 00:38:20,490 --> 00:38:22,800 only ever in there buying caviar and Champagne. 749 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,390 Syndicate Three have got CCTV 750 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,910 of three people chasing Aaron Hicks 751 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,510 minutes before he was murdered. 752 00:38:29,710 --> 00:38:31,700 And they've recovered clothing from the house 753 00:38:31,710 --> 00:38:34,620 that identifies two of the people on the CCTV 754 00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:35,990 as Stainfield and Madden. 755 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,230 The other, presumably, is Liam. To be confirmed. 756 00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:41,430 So that's it. I'm seeking authority 757 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,340 to charge Nadia, Stainfield, Nikki Madden and Liam Welsh 758 00:38:45,490 --> 00:38:48,490 with the murders of Darren Rigby and Keith Fleming. 759 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,980 And Stainfield, Madden and Welsh with the murder of Aaron Hicks. 760 00:38:53,090 --> 00:38:54,880 Yes, very good. 761 00:38:57,310 --> 00:38:59,640 I want to see their faces when you charge them. 762 00:38:59,650 --> 00:39:00,950 - Why? - Because I'm seeing 763 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,500 Keith Fleming's widow in half an hour. 764 00:39:02,510 --> 00:39:04,320 I know what the third question will be. 765 00:39:04,330 --> 00:39:05,700 'Did they show any remorse?' 766 00:39:05,710 --> 00:39:07,760 I want to be able to give her a proper answer. 767 00:39:17,210 --> 00:39:18,940 - Who's she? - Shut up. 768 00:39:19,290 --> 00:39:20,990 Anthony John Stainfield, 769 00:39:21,020 --> 00:39:23,240 you are charged with the offences shown below. 770 00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:24,570 You do not have to say anything. 771 00:39:24,580 --> 00:39:26,950 But it may harm your defense if you do not mention now 772 00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:29,130 something which you may later rely on in court. 773 00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:31,780 Anything you do say may be given in evidence. 774 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,650 You are charged that between Friday the 9th of December 2011 775 00:39:36,660 --> 00:39:39,080 and Friday the 23rd of December 2011, 776 00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:42,790 you did murder Darren Rigby, contrary to common law. 777 00:39:42,850 --> 00:39:46,950 You are also charged that between Saturday the 18th of February 2012 778 00:39:46,990 --> 00:39:49,480 and Saturday the 25th of February 2012, 779 00:39:49,730 --> 00:39:51,940 you did murder Keith Howard Fleming, 780 00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:53,460 contrary to common law. 781 00:39:53,730 --> 00:39:55,950 You are also charged with rape. 782 00:39:56,610 --> 00:39:59,270 In that between Saturday the 18th of February 2012 783 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,650 and Saturday the 25th of February 2012, 784 00:40:02,010 --> 00:40:03,830 you had sexual intercourse per anum 785 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,230 with Keith Howard Fleming without his consent. 786 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,780 Contrary to section one of the Sexual Offences Act 2003. 787 00:40:09,890 --> 00:40:14,370 And section 142 of the Criminal Justice And Public Order Act 1994. 788 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:16,220 You've heard what the officer's said. 789 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:17,680 Is there anything you'd like to say? 790 00:40:18,610 --> 00:40:19,910 Sign there. 791 00:40:28,090 --> 00:40:29,450 Can you bring me Nikki Madden? 792 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,930 What's the first two questions? 793 00:40:35,530 --> 00:40:36,830 Did he suffer? 794 00:40:37,570 --> 00:40:39,410 And why. Why him? 795 00:40:39,610 --> 00:40:41,050 And just why. 796 00:40:41,490 --> 00:40:43,040 I'll see if I can talk to her about that complaint 797 00:40:43,050 --> 00:40:44,410 against you as well. 798 00:40:54,450 --> 00:40:57,250 Before I take you down to the custody desk to charge you, Nadia, 799 00:40:57,260 --> 00:40:59,000 there's something I need to ask. 800 00:41:00,050 --> 00:41:01,790 Is there someone that you'd like us to contact 801 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,770 to arrange Aaron's funeral? 802 00:41:04,970 --> 00:41:06,550 There is no-one. 803 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,420 What will happen? 804 00:41:09,630 --> 00:41:12,070 Social Services will deal with it. 805 00:41:13,010 --> 00:41:14,660 Who will be there? 806 00:41:14,910 --> 00:41:16,510 They'll let me go, won't they? I mean... 807 00:41:16,590 --> 00:41:20,090 It's down to the prison. Whichever prison you get sent to. 808 00:41:20,290 --> 00:41:22,050 But often, no. 809 00:41:22,750 --> 00:41:24,050 Then... 810 00:41:25,930 --> 00:41:27,570 Nobody will be there. 811 00:41:30,850 --> 00:41:32,450 I'll go. 812 00:41:34,650 --> 00:41:36,690 - Will you? - Yeah. 813 00:41:37,890 --> 00:41:39,190 Really? 814 00:41:40,430 --> 00:41:41,940 Promise me. 815 00:41:42,170 --> 00:41:43,470 I promise. 816 00:41:44,310 --> 00:41:45,610 Right. 817 00:41:46,050 --> 00:41:47,350 Come on. 818 00:41:59,290 --> 00:42:01,120 Oh, shit. 819 00:42:13,650 --> 00:42:15,430 Oh, great. Nice one. 820 00:42:18,930 --> 00:42:20,240 Hello, hello, hello. 821 00:42:22,570 --> 00:42:23,870 So... 822 00:42:24,580 --> 00:42:26,240 What are we doing for your birthday, then, 823 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,220 madam? 824 00:42:30,310 --> 00:42:32,550 I thought we were just going round your friend's house. 825 00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:34,820 Yeah, well, we were. But... 826 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,180 But it's changed. 827 00:42:37,650 --> 00:42:40,040 Into less about my birthday 828 00:42:40,050 --> 00:42:42,830 and more about nailing these four mad bastards. 829 00:42:43,590 --> 00:42:45,360 - I'll stay here. - No, come on. 830 00:42:45,390 --> 00:42:46,960 It will do you good to get out. 831 00:42:48,270 --> 00:42:50,050 Just don't tell them 832 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,740 that you did four years for armed robbery. 833 00:42:52,490 --> 00:42:53,790 All right? 834 00:42:56,410 --> 00:42:58,380 You sit behind desks all day. 835 00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:59,690 I do real police work. 836 00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:02,550 Are you sure? How do you confuse a traffic cop? 837 00:43:02,910 --> 00:43:04,910 Give them a piece of paper with 'please turn over' 838 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,250 written on both sides! 839 00:43:07,070 --> 00:43:08,370 Very funny. 840 00:43:08,380 --> 00:43:10,760 How do you put a twinkle in a traffic cop's eye? 841 00:43:10,780 --> 00:43:12,080 Shine a torch through his ears! 842 00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:13,590 Comedians. 843 00:43:13,810 --> 00:43:16,150 - Gs Gilll coming? - I hope so. 844 00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:17,550 That's good. 845 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,320 She went to see Keith Fleming's widow. 846 00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:21,380 I'm going to the toilet. 847 00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:23,440 - OK. - Is she all right? 848 00:43:24,450 --> 00:43:27,370 Did you work out who those flowers were from? 849 00:43:27,380 --> 00:43:28,680 Yeah. 850 00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:30,870 Sean, thanks for the flowers. 851 00:43:31,890 --> 00:43:33,510 What? What flowers? 852 00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:34,840 Yesterday. 853 00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:36,690 I didn't send you any flowers. 854 00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:38,010 Yes, you did. 855 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:39,970 No, I didn't. 856 00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:42,850 - Well, who sent them, then? - I don't know. 857 00:43:42,860 --> 00:43:46,630 You lot are the detectives. I'm just simple-minded uniform. 858 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,120 You said it, sweetheart! 859 00:43:48,730 --> 00:43:50,940 And what do you do, Dom? 860 00:43:52,170 --> 00:43:54,460 I'm between jobs just at the moment. 861 00:43:54,510 --> 00:43:56,010 The boss is here. 862 00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:59,360 Wasn't she dignified on the news last week. 863 00:43:59,370 --> 00:44:01,010 - Did you see her? - What, Godzilla? 864 00:44:01,070 --> 00:44:02,370 I said to Janet - 865 00:44:02,380 --> 00:44:05,730 I could be where Gill is now if only I was so marvelous. 866 00:44:05,740 --> 00:44:07,630 Evening all! Happy birthday, kid! 867 00:44:08,170 --> 00:44:11,790 Ian Fielding, head of MIT, rings me up just now. 868 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,040 I'm thinking he's going to go, 'Job well done, Gilll'. 869 00:44:14,050 --> 00:44:17,420 All this. He goes, 'I've just seen your overtime bill on this job. 870 00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:20,330 I've seen all these overtime slips you've been signing. 871 00:44:20,340 --> 00:44:21,930 'It's a bit over the top, isn't it?' 872 00:44:21,940 --> 00:44:23,280 I thought, 'Fuck you, buster!' 873 00:44:23,770 --> 00:44:25,680 Sorry. Right, who's buying? 874 00:44:25,690 --> 00:44:27,080 I am going to get hammered. 875 00:44:27,090 --> 00:44:28,580 Oh, hello, Dorothy. How are you? 876 00:44:29,130 --> 00:44:30,430 Pete! 877 00:44:31,610 --> 00:44:32,910 Get a bottle! 878 00:44:42,450 --> 00:44:44,620 Taisie! Are you all right, love? 879 00:44:44,730 --> 00:44:47,270 Just ringing my dad but he's not answering his phone. 880 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,010 He'll ring you back if you left a message. 881 00:44:49,220 --> 00:44:50,680 - Is he not coming tonight? - No. 882 00:44:53,290 --> 00:44:54,950 They've split up. 64630

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