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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,990 - You've got a brother? - Well, he's a twat. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,300 If my boss knew 3 00:00:03,310 --> 00:00:04,970 that my brother was a convicted armed robber... 4 00:00:06,620 --> 00:00:08,730 - She's mad. - Bonkers. 5 00:00:08,740 --> 00:00:10,480 - Is Gill coming? - What, Godzilla? 6 00:00:11,820 --> 00:00:13,890 What? Don't. Dom, don't do that. 7 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,420 Look, it doesn't matter. 8 00:00:15,430 --> 00:00:18,430 I'm talking to your senior partner and your ass is grass. 9 00:00:33,210 --> 00:00:35,710 Scott & Bailey Season 2a - Episode 03 10 00:00:38,210 --> 00:00:41,190 ITFC Subtitle Sync: Marocas62 11 00:01:06,180 --> 00:01:07,850 - Night. - See you later. 12 00:01:16,690 --> 00:01:18,420 - Sorry, boss. - Rachel! Give us a second, Sam. 13 00:01:18,740 --> 00:01:20,120 - Has Janet gone? - Yeah. 14 00:01:20,130 --> 00:01:22,420 She had a GCSE meeting at school with Elise. 15 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,600 - Are you doing anything? - Just dropping this lot 16 00:01:24,610 --> 00:01:26,650 of disclosure schedules off. 17 00:01:26,660 --> 00:01:28,280 You got anything on over the next three or four days 18 00:01:28,390 --> 00:01:30,280 you can't wriggle out of? Court appearances, anything? 19 00:01:30,590 --> 00:01:32,780 - No. - You fancy a bit of overtime? 20 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:34,890 - Yeah. - Get that done, 21 00:01:34,900 --> 00:01:36,990 go home, pack a bag. I'll pick you up in an hour. 22 00:01:37,010 --> 00:01:38,310 Yeah. Why, where we going? 23 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:39,870 Cambridge. Ravenhill Prison. 24 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,280 Then Bristol. North Avon! It will all become clear. 25 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,100 Sammy? Yep, so bins out tomorrow night. 26 00:01:45,410 --> 00:01:47,380 Yes, I know you know that. I'm telling you 27 00:01:47,390 --> 00:01:49,910 because you have to do and because I'm not going to be there. 28 00:02:04,090 --> 00:02:05,390 Dom? 29 00:02:06,890 --> 00:02:08,190 Dom! 30 00:02:09,690 --> 00:02:11,610 Dom, I'm going away for a couple of days... 31 00:02:14,010 --> 00:02:15,560 - Shit. - Who the hell's that? 32 00:02:23,710 --> 00:02:25,540 I thought you said no-one else'd be here. 33 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,060 Fuck this. 34 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:32,060 Are you going to introduce me to your friend? 35 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,540 - No, we... we were... - I want my 20 quid back. 36 00:02:38,060 --> 00:02:40,310 Married. Are we? I don't think so, pal. 37 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,550 Can you remember where the door is, or shall I show you? 38 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:44,860 You're hurting me! 39 00:02:48,170 --> 00:02:50,100 I've got your registration number, arsehole, 40 00:02:50,110 --> 00:02:52,120 so don't think I can't find out where you live 41 00:02:52,130 --> 00:02:54,370 or every single thing there is to know about you. 42 00:02:55,380 --> 00:02:56,680 Fetch. 43 00:03:02,580 --> 00:03:04,140 I don't even know where to start, Dom. 44 00:03:04,190 --> 00:03:06,060 - Have you done this before? Here? - No. 45 00:03:06,220 --> 00:03:07,820 No. Two things. I'm a police officer 46 00:03:07,830 --> 00:03:09,320 and you've just used my flat 47 00:03:09,350 --> 00:03:12,220 to sell sex in. Do you understand that you can't do that? 48 00:03:12,230 --> 00:03:14,410 And number two... what are you doing? 49 00:03:14,740 --> 00:03:16,090 What you doing? 50 00:03:22,060 --> 00:03:24,060 - Do you want me to go? - No, Dom! 51 00:03:24,070 --> 00:03:26,240 I want you to get your life back together! 52 00:03:26,250 --> 00:03:28,250 I was at a hotel, asking about kitchen jobs. 53 00:03:28,260 --> 00:03:30,780 I was. Honest. 54 00:03:36,340 --> 00:03:37,750 Right. OK. Look. I'm... 55 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,170 I'm going away for a couple of days. So I... 56 00:03:43,660 --> 00:03:44,960 Shit. 57 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,880 I don't know what you had to do, Dom, in prison, 58 00:03:47,890 --> 00:03:49,890 to get by but this is the deal, right? 59 00:03:51,550 --> 00:03:53,450 That is in the past. You're in my world now. 60 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:55,930 If you're short for money then... 61 00:03:55,950 --> 00:03:58,040 then you talk to me. Before you even dream 62 00:03:58,050 --> 00:03:59,880 about doing anything like that ever again, right? 63 00:04:03,570 --> 00:04:06,770 Right. I'm going to be away, so, God, I don't know... 64 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:09,580 Can you promise me... 65 00:04:09,590 --> 00:04:10,890 Promise me... 66 00:04:11,990 --> 00:04:13,400 that you will try... 67 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:14,820 to behave 68 00:04:15,490 --> 00:04:17,190 like you've got the sense you were born with. 69 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,500 Or I'll... 70 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,130 I will ask you to leave, Dom. 71 00:04:21,540 --> 00:04:23,490 Because I'll be left with no choice. 72 00:04:25,780 --> 00:04:27,930 I just wanted to pay you back for your kitchen. 73 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,580 Have you had a HIV test? 74 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,510 Does the name Jeremy Leach ring any bells? 75 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:53,780 Jeremy Leach? 76 00:04:55,840 --> 00:04:58,270 He raped and strangled three women in the West Country, 77 00:04:58,290 --> 00:05:01,080 and one in Reading. Ten years ago? 78 00:05:01,090 --> 00:05:02,450 13 years ago. 79 00:05:02,460 --> 00:05:04,990 Sexually assaulted six women, probably twice that many. 80 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:06,380 All across the south. But yeah, 81 00:05:06,790 --> 00:05:09,490 the court convicted him on the four he raped and strangled. 82 00:05:09,900 --> 00:05:11,200 - So what are we... - We're going to visit him. 83 00:05:12,250 --> 00:05:13,640 Those are for you. 84 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:23,940 Leach? 85 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:25,870 Wasn't he a total control freak? 86 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,710 Control freak, psychopath, narcissist. 87 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,260 It's all in there. When he was caught, how he was caught, 88 00:05:31,270 --> 00:05:32,760 psychological reports. 89 00:05:32,950 --> 00:05:34,330 So why are we visiting him? 90 00:05:34,350 --> 00:05:37,940 Three weeks ago, just outside Bristol a woman turned up dead. 91 00:05:37,950 --> 00:05:40,740 Yasmin Heaney. She'd been raped and strangled. 92 00:05:40,900 --> 00:05:44,750 Whoever did it used an MO almost identical to Jeremy Leach's. 93 00:05:44,780 --> 00:05:46,980 The details of which, for obvious reasons, 94 00:05:46,990 --> 00:05:48,450 were never released to the press. 95 00:05:48,460 --> 00:05:49,760 For instance... 96 00:05:49,770 --> 00:05:52,670 he used cable ties to fasten his victim's thumbs together. 97 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,450 It's all in there, even the victim profile fits. 98 00:05:55,590 --> 00:05:59,420 - White, 32-year-old professional. - But it can't be him? 99 00:05:59,430 --> 00:06:01,670 It's unlikely. He's been tucked up at Her Majesty's pleasure 100 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,100 for the last thirteen years. 101 00:06:03,180 --> 00:06:06,240 He's not looking at parole till 2036, if ever. 102 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:07,730 - So it's a copycat thing? - Yeah. 103 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,000 Didn't he get convicted over a single thumb print? 104 00:06:12,010 --> 00:06:14,480 Not even that. It was a partial thumb print. 105 00:06:14,490 --> 00:06:16,520 But enough to get his DNA. 106 00:06:16,530 --> 00:06:17,850 Did you catch him? 107 00:06:17,860 --> 00:06:20,230 It went across four forces, including the Met, 108 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,090 but yes, when I worked for the NPIA. 109 00:06:22,460 --> 00:06:24,170 Crime Faculty, as was. 110 00:06:24,550 --> 00:06:26,050 We got invited in. They were desperate, 111 00:06:26,060 --> 00:06:27,360 they had nothing. 112 00:06:27,370 --> 00:06:28,770 He was clever. 113 00:06:28,780 --> 00:06:30,850 Nowhere near as clever as he thought he was, of course. 114 00:06:31,380 --> 00:06:33,150 - They never are. - So why are... 115 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,250 He says he has information about Yasmin's death. 116 00:06:35,460 --> 00:06:37,260 Because I went in from the Crime Faculty, 117 00:06:37,580 --> 00:06:38,960 Leach doesn't know I was involved 118 00:06:38,970 --> 00:06:40,490 in the original investigation. 119 00:06:40,510 --> 00:06:41,950 My name will mean nothing to him. 120 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,370 But why do you need me? 121 00:06:43,380 --> 00:06:44,690 I squared it with the boss. 122 00:06:44,700 --> 00:06:46,690 Can you read in a car without being sick? 123 00:06:47,820 --> 00:06:50,380 I'd make a start. We'll hit the hotel by eleven, 124 00:06:50,580 --> 00:06:53,190 then we're seeing him at nine o'clock sharp tomorrow morning. 125 00:06:54,980 --> 00:06:56,350 I still don't know why you need me. 126 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,890 I'm a Chief Inspector. I haven't done an interview in ten years! 127 00:06:58,910 --> 00:07:00,910 Don't worry, I'll be there. 128 00:07:17,850 --> 00:07:19,740 - Hiya. - What's happening with our Dom? 129 00:07:19,950 --> 00:07:21,750 Nothing. Why? What is happening with our Dom? 130 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,720 He's saying you've chucked him out. 131 00:07:23,750 --> 00:07:25,050 - I didn't chuck him out. - Hey, 132 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:26,990 I'm not blaming you, Rachel. 133 00:07:27,260 --> 00:07:28,780 I haven't chucked him out. 134 00:07:28,810 --> 00:07:31,780 Right, well I can't put him up 135 00:07:31,990 --> 00:07:35,450 - cos Tony won't have it. - Alison. I haven't chucked him out. 136 00:07:36,460 --> 00:07:38,270 We just had a bit of an argument, 137 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,540 - Look, is he there now? - No, he's gone. 138 00:07:41,620 --> 00:07:42,920 - Gone where? - I don't know. 139 00:07:43,030 --> 00:07:44,330 I don't think he knew himself. 140 00:07:45,140 --> 00:07:46,670 Has he been behaving? 141 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,540 He's not been drinking, or... 142 00:07:48,620 --> 00:07:51,260 No. No. Not at all. It's one of the conditions of his license, 143 00:07:51,270 --> 00:07:52,570 not drinking, 144 00:07:52,780 --> 00:07:54,080 he's really stuck to that, 145 00:07:55,740 --> 00:07:57,040 it's just... 146 00:07:57,050 --> 00:07:58,350 What? 147 00:07:59,380 --> 00:08:01,380 Look, Alison, I'm away for a couple of days. 148 00:08:03,580 --> 00:08:05,180 I think I've frightened him. 149 00:08:08,930 --> 00:08:11,770 I told him he needed to get himself tested for HIV. 150 00:08:11,780 --> 00:08:13,080 Why? 151 00:08:13,310 --> 00:08:15,290 He's hang on, Sammy, he's what? He's done what? 152 00:08:15,310 --> 00:08:16,910 The whore... Let's get this straight, 153 00:08:17,650 --> 00:08:20,850 the whore has kicked him, your dad, out? 154 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:23,260 - Why? - Because in prison. 155 00:08:23,270 --> 00:08:24,660 I think he might of... 156 00:08:25,790 --> 00:08:27,830 - like sold his assets. - Oh, no way! 157 00:08:27,850 --> 00:08:29,930 He can't keep his pants up, can he? 158 00:08:29,980 --> 00:08:31,280 Right, well, there you go, eh? 159 00:08:31,290 --> 00:08:33,030 Taste of her own medicine. Bitch. 160 00:08:33,050 --> 00:08:34,410 Sold his... 161 00:08:35,110 --> 00:08:36,410 Can you work it out Alison? 162 00:08:36,420 --> 00:08:38,300 He's bringing an overnight bag with him where? 163 00:08:38,380 --> 00:08:40,260 I will. I'll call him but he's not homeless. 164 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,730 No. No. No, Sammy. That is not happening. 165 00:08:42,740 --> 00:08:44,520 He is not sleeping at our house. 166 00:08:44,550 --> 00:08:45,850 He's got a key to my flat, 167 00:08:45,860 --> 00:08:47,670 - so he's not homeless. - Yeah, I know he's your dad, 168 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:49,100 but you tell him to ring me, 169 00:08:49,110 --> 00:08:50,980 I will deal with it, because he is not... 170 00:08:50,990 --> 00:08:52,880 Yeah. I'll ring him. I'll ring him now. 171 00:08:52,890 --> 00:08:55,430 No, Sammy, not even on the settee. I'm serious. 172 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,260 I am not being mean, Sammy. 173 00:08:57,830 --> 00:08:59,280 - Sammy? - OK. Bye. 174 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,350 - Dom? It's Rachel. - Dave. Gill. 175 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,120 - Look, our Alison's just rung me. - You need to give me a ring. 176 00:09:12,340 --> 00:09:13,740 Don't worry about what I said. 177 00:09:13,750 --> 00:09:15,620 If you wouldn't mind being so good and kind. 178 00:09:15,630 --> 00:09:17,400 Just get yourself back round to my flat. 179 00:09:17,410 --> 00:09:19,150 At your earliest convenience. 180 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,540 We can talk about this properly when I get back. 181 00:09:21,750 --> 00:09:23,050 Right? 182 00:09:23,420 --> 00:09:25,210 We'll sort things out. I promise. 183 00:09:25,950 --> 00:09:27,390 And will you ring me? 184 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,050 How come Leach even knows about the similarities to his murders? 185 00:09:42,060 --> 00:09:44,790 A local journalist made the connection. Yesterday. 186 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,370 Who knows how, he's a journalist. 187 00:09:46,380 --> 00:09:49,330 First person he's on the phone to is Leach's solicitor. 188 00:09:49,420 --> 00:09:50,940 That's when the shit hit the fan. 189 00:09:50,970 --> 00:09:52,380 North Avon are pulling together 190 00:09:52,390 --> 00:09:55,620 an SIO support group which we'll be part of later tomorrow 191 00:09:55,830 --> 00:09:57,510 with some of the biggest names in the country. 192 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,990 SCAS, Detectives, forensic scientists. 193 00:10:00,780 --> 00:10:02,890 At the risk of sounding a bit thick, 194 00:10:03,450 --> 00:10:05,310 why's this such a big deal? 195 00:10:05,380 --> 00:10:08,540 Because if someone's out there using Leach's exact MO, 196 00:10:08,550 --> 00:10:09,910 it throws doubt on his conviction. 197 00:10:09,940 --> 00:10:12,220 It suggests it was never him in the first place, 198 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,700 that the real killer is still out there which we know to be rubbish, 199 00:10:15,710 --> 00:10:18,720 but... there's a lot of people who think Leach's conviction 200 00:10:18,730 --> 00:10:21,060 is the biggest miscarriage of justice in criminal history. 201 00:10:21,070 --> 00:10:23,770 Journalists, peers, the tea and tiffin brigade. 202 00:10:23,780 --> 00:10:25,980 Sadly, however, they're not without influence. 203 00:10:26,190 --> 00:10:29,410 If they can raise doubt and grounds for yet another appeal, 204 00:10:29,420 --> 00:10:31,300 it's not beyond the realms of possibility 205 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:32,930 Leach could walk. 206 00:10:33,780 --> 00:10:35,380 So no pressure then. 207 00:10:47,790 --> 00:10:49,090 DCI Murray? 208 00:10:49,830 --> 00:10:52,080 - 'Ello 'ello. - DC Bennett, North Avon. 209 00:10:52,690 --> 00:10:53,990 This is DC Bailey. 210 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,300 - Rachel. - Ed. 211 00:12:08,370 --> 00:12:10,390 - Mr. Leach? - Yes, hello. 212 00:12:10,510 --> 00:12:13,490 I'm DC Bailey, this is DC Bennett. We're here at your request. 213 00:12:15,310 --> 00:12:16,700 Before we start I must tell you 214 00:12:16,710 --> 00:12:18,360 that this meeting is being recorded. 215 00:12:18,510 --> 00:12:19,810 Good. 216 00:12:20,350 --> 00:12:22,290 I must tell you that you're not under arrest 217 00:12:22,510 --> 00:12:24,080 and you don't have to say anything to us, 218 00:12:24,090 --> 00:12:25,720 but anything you do say may be used in evidence. 219 00:12:25,730 --> 00:12:27,030 I know that. 220 00:12:27,110 --> 00:12:29,940 I know that you've been advised that you can have a solicitor present, 221 00:12:29,950 --> 00:12:32,750 but I blilieve that you've indicated that you don't want one. 222 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,210 - Is that still the case? - Yes. 223 00:12:34,670 --> 00:12:36,510 Could I ask why that is, Mr. Leach? 224 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,720 I would've thought given your situation that that would be advisable. 225 00:12:44,230 --> 00:12:46,370 Is that a Manchester accent? 226 00:12:47,170 --> 00:12:49,370 What would you like to talk to us about Mr. Leach? 227 00:12:52,430 --> 00:12:54,490 I don't know how much you know about me, 228 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,530 - my situation. - I'm assisting 229 00:12:56,540 --> 00:12:59,020 the investigation into the death of Yasmin Heaney. 230 00:12:59,030 --> 00:13:01,950 You contacted the incident room at Bristol saying 231 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,130 you had some information regarding that incident. 232 00:13:04,150 --> 00:13:05,610 I didn't... 233 00:13:10,430 --> 00:13:12,820 I didn't want my solicitor here because... 234 00:13:13,450 --> 00:13:14,820 he has a son. 235 00:13:15,490 --> 00:13:17,470 Alastair Jackson. 236 00:13:19,510 --> 00:13:22,210 And it's becoming increasingly apparent to me for some time 237 00:13:22,220 --> 00:13:23,960 and now I'm utterly convinced that 238 00:13:25,010 --> 00:13:26,790 he is the man you're looking for. 239 00:13:28,270 --> 00:13:31,190 And I don't just mean for this latest attack, either. 240 00:13:32,590 --> 00:13:33,920 Desmond Jackson 241 00:13:34,490 --> 00:13:36,250 approached me after I'd been convicted, 242 00:13:36,260 --> 00:13:37,560 several lawyers did, knowing that 243 00:13:37,980 --> 00:13:39,700 I'd been poorly served by the man 244 00:13:39,710 --> 00:13:41,460 who'd originally represented me in court, 245 00:13:41,470 --> 00:13:44,750 knowing that I had been the victim of a miscarriage of justice. 246 00:13:45,530 --> 00:13:47,860 I know you don't believe that, but... 247 00:13:48,090 --> 00:13:50,500 I took him on, Desmond Jackson, 248 00:13:50,510 --> 00:13:53,190 because he seemed the most keen 249 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:55,370 as well as being the most able. 250 00:13:57,390 --> 00:13:58,920 I now have reason to believe 251 00:13:59,390 --> 00:14:01,950 that he had ulterior motives in approaching me, 252 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,260 motives that... 253 00:14:03,370 --> 00:14:06,760 were to do with contriving to keep me inside prison, 254 00:14:07,870 --> 00:14:10,650 once I'd been blamed for what his son had done. 255 00:14:12,630 --> 00:14:15,690 And what grounds have you got for making this allegation, Mr. Leach? 256 00:14:16,390 --> 00:14:18,290 After I was convicted, 257 00:14:19,390 --> 00:14:22,330 Alastair Jackson appeared to become obsessed with me. 258 00:14:22,340 --> 00:14:24,040 He wrote to me incessantly, 259 00:14:24,050 --> 00:14:26,110 he even requested to visit me, 260 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:27,850 which I allowed him do... twice. 261 00:14:28,190 --> 00:14:32,490 At the time, you see, I regarded him as a supporter. 262 00:14:33,590 --> 00:14:35,840 But looking back I realise now that 263 00:14:36,090 --> 00:14:38,610 it wasn't me he was obsessed with. 264 00:14:39,590 --> 00:14:40,970 He was obsessed with the women 265 00:14:40,980 --> 00:14:43,390 I was accused of having murdered. 266 00:14:44,090 --> 00:14:46,850 He certainly knew far more about them than I ever did. 267 00:14:48,430 --> 00:14:49,760 I now believe... 268 00:14:50,530 --> 00:14:51,860 from what he said... 269 00:14:53,230 --> 00:14:55,110 that he knew them. 270 00:14:55,850 --> 00:14:58,070 All of them, personally. 271 00:14:58,950 --> 00:15:01,000 Well, don't you think that's significant? 272 00:15:02,630 --> 00:15:04,750 Isn't it true that most murder victims 273 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,320 are killed by people they know? 274 00:15:07,550 --> 00:15:10,940 I'd never met this man until sometime after his father offered to help me, 275 00:15:10,950 --> 00:15:14,850 and yet it would appear that he knew personally the four women 276 00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:17,590 I was convicted of having murdered. I didn't. 277 00:15:18,470 --> 00:15:19,970 So you're saying that your solicitor... 278 00:15:21,070 --> 00:15:22,830 Desmond Jackson... 279 00:15:23,330 --> 00:15:25,240 is fully aware of what his son... 280 00:15:25,290 --> 00:15:28,420 may have done and is helping to cover it up? 281 00:15:28,850 --> 00:15:30,150 Yes. 282 00:15:32,710 --> 00:15:34,420 Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. 283 00:15:35,330 --> 00:15:37,530 Can you prove any of the things that you're saying? 284 00:15:38,090 --> 00:15:43,050 Well, I imagine I could, yes, if I wasn't stuck in here. 285 00:15:46,790 --> 00:15:50,050 He knew Yasmin Heaney, too. 286 00:15:51,150 --> 00:15:54,990 He mentioned her a number of times in letters to me. 287 00:15:56,830 --> 00:15:59,070 - Would you like to see? - Yeah. 288 00:16:05,910 --> 00:16:07,770 I've made copies. 289 00:16:08,570 --> 00:16:09,870 OK. 290 00:16:11,210 --> 00:16:14,220 When did you realise this... 291 00:16:15,090 --> 00:16:16,690 about Alastair Jackson? 292 00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:18,870 When I heard about Yasmin Heaney. 293 00:16:21,230 --> 00:16:23,910 It'd been staring me in the face. 294 00:16:24,390 --> 00:16:25,690 For years... 295 00:16:27,550 --> 00:16:29,020 and then the penny dropped. 296 00:16:30,410 --> 00:16:33,090 Is there anything else you'd like to say to me, Mr. Leach? 297 00:16:35,110 --> 00:16:37,010 I shouldn't be in here. 298 00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:42,660 We have picked Alastair Jackson up, by the way. Twice. 299 00:16:42,690 --> 00:16:45,910 Yeah. I read that in the information pack. 300 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,330 He did know Yasmin Heaney. 301 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:49,910 He spent rather too much time in the library where she works. 302 00:16:50,670 --> 00:16:52,520 You making your way down to Bristol now, ma'am? 303 00:16:52,530 --> 00:16:53,830 That's the plan! 304 00:16:54,930 --> 00:16:56,300 Are you all right? 305 00:16:56,370 --> 00:16:57,950 I hate these places. 306 00:16:58,330 --> 00:17:00,340 I appreciate that not all will have had chance to 307 00:17:00,350 --> 00:17:02,880 read the handouts in any depth, ladies and gentlemen, 308 00:17:02,890 --> 00:17:05,400 so whilst our victim Yasmin 309 00:17:05,410 --> 00:17:07,780 is a main line of inquiry, 310 00:17:07,790 --> 00:17:09,100 the nature of the attack, 311 00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:10,850 the fact that it resembles the Leach murders 312 00:17:10,860 --> 00:17:12,370 of 13 years ago, have lead us 313 00:17:12,380 --> 00:17:15,650 to focus primarily on two main lines of investigation. 314 00:17:16,350 --> 00:17:18,750 People who had access to confidential information 315 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,410 during the original investigation 316 00:17:20,420 --> 00:17:23,380 that's the lawyers, police officers, jury 317 00:17:23,470 --> 00:17:27,050 and people who had access to Leach when he was inside prison. 318 00:17:27,150 --> 00:17:29,940 Of the people we've identified as being most interesting, 319 00:17:29,950 --> 00:17:32,280 perhaps the most significant at this moment 320 00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:33,930 is Alastair Jackson. 321 00:17:33,940 --> 00:17:35,690 Now, Jackson is unemployed, 322 00:17:36,370 --> 00:17:39,360 misfit, obsessed with Leach. 323 00:17:40,130 --> 00:17:41,690 An apparent supporter of Leach. 324 00:17:41,710 --> 00:17:44,720 He visited him on two occasions inside prison. 325 00:17:44,730 --> 00:17:47,870 His father, oddly enough, is Leach's solicitor, 326 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,950 so Jackson may have had had access to confidential information 327 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,470 right there in his parents home at the time of the original investigation. 328 00:17:54,590 --> 00:17:56,080 His alibi 329 00:17:56,690 --> 00:17:58,250 at the time that Yasmin went missing 330 00:17:58,670 --> 00:18:01,310 turned out to be an elaborate pack of lies... 331 00:18:01,350 --> 00:18:03,750 But still no arrest. 332 00:18:04,350 --> 00:18:06,370 DCI Murray came across from the Crime Faculty 333 00:18:06,380 --> 00:18:08,660 to help us with the original investigation 334 00:18:08,690 --> 00:18:11,930 and she has in fact spoken to Leach this very morning 335 00:18:12,410 --> 00:18:15,230 at his request inside Ravenhill Prison. 336 00:18:15,250 --> 00:18:17,750 He himself is pointing the finger at Jackson. 337 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,900 And not just for Yasmin's murder either. 338 00:18:19,910 --> 00:18:22,510 Leach is suggesting that Jackson was responsible 339 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,500 for the murders he was sent down for 13 years ago. 340 00:18:25,950 --> 00:18:27,450 I hope you don't mind me saying, 341 00:18:27,710 --> 00:18:30,450 but if you're seriously considering Alastair Jackson for Yasmin, 342 00:18:30,460 --> 00:18:31,920 we're opening a can of worms, 343 00:18:31,930 --> 00:18:35,010 and one which Leach will exploit to the hilt, 344 00:18:35,030 --> 00:18:37,200 and frankly, in my book, 345 00:18:37,210 --> 00:18:39,020 the fact that Leach is pointing the finger 346 00:18:39,030 --> 00:18:41,620 at Jackson is practically grounds to rule him out. 347 00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:56,390 Isn't there like a really screaming flaw 348 00:18:56,490 --> 00:18:58,510 in the whole basis of the investigation? 349 00:18:59,150 --> 00:19:00,450 Is there? 350 00:19:01,710 --> 00:19:03,010 - What? - Well, 351 00:19:03,020 --> 00:19:04,690 their two lines of inquiry 352 00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:06,660 and the way that you're talking 353 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,680 are based entirely on the assumption that 354 00:19:09,690 --> 00:19:11,490 that Leach is guilty of the original crimes. 355 00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:12,810 Thank you. 356 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:14,690 It's not an assumption. 357 00:19:15,410 --> 00:19:16,710 He is guilty. 358 00:19:17,310 --> 00:19:18,610 Yeah. But... 359 00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:21,600 - What if he isn't? - But, he is. 360 00:19:22,190 --> 00:19:24,640 Yeah, but if he isn't, then the whole thing's skewed. 361 00:19:25,310 --> 00:19:28,060 Rachel Bailey. Gill Murray. We've got reservations. 362 00:19:28,330 --> 00:19:30,690 Yeah, but he is. So it isn't. 363 00:19:30,730 --> 00:19:32,450 Fill these forms out, please. 364 00:19:33,170 --> 00:19:34,470 I feel like... 365 00:19:35,050 --> 00:19:36,910 you're not hearing what I'm saying. 366 00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:38,800 You've read your ringbinders. 367 00:19:38,850 --> 00:19:41,960 It was Leach's DNA at the scene. 368 00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:43,870 His thumb print 369 00:19:44,190 --> 00:19:46,600 on the pendant of Catherine Maloney's necklace, 370 00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:48,850 pressed so hard it was embedded into her skin 371 00:19:48,860 --> 00:19:52,120 and at the time he couldn't account 372 00:19:52,130 --> 00:19:53,870 for how else his dabs could have got on it, even if he came up 373 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,010 with some convoluted rubbish about it afterwards. 374 00:19:56,020 --> 00:19:57,820 - Yeah, but... - His delivery schedule 375 00:19:58,030 --> 00:20:01,810 put him at or near all the murders. 376 00:20:01,950 --> 00:20:03,380 We even had a witness who ID'd him 377 00:20:03,390 --> 00:20:05,330 in the area of one of them. 378 00:20:06,370 --> 00:20:07,670 All right, forget it. 379 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,410 Do you think he's a bit too good looking to be a killer? 380 00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:12,750 Did you ever seen a photo of Ted Bundy? 381 00:20:12,850 --> 00:20:14,450 Think he was a bit too good looking as well 382 00:20:14,790 --> 00:20:16,960 to have raped and murdered 34 women? 383 00:20:17,470 --> 00:20:18,970 I didn't believe him, 384 00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:20,710 but I didn't not believe him either. 385 00:20:20,970 --> 00:20:24,170 Rachel! Are you serious? You'd let that man out? 386 00:20:24,270 --> 00:20:26,250 No! No. 387 00:20:27,030 --> 00:20:29,590 Well, yeah, if he's not guilty. 388 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,190 - Oh, God. - What? 389 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,850 Bandits at two. Julian McAndrew... 390 00:20:33,860 --> 00:20:35,500 writes for The Guardian and The New Statesman, 391 00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:37,710 one of Leach's staunchest dickhead supporters. 392 00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:39,690 - That was quick. - It's volatile, I told you. Don't look. 393 00:20:40,010 --> 00:20:43,680 I can almost understand them not getting it, but you? 394 00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:45,720 You used to work in the sex crimes unit. 395 00:20:45,730 --> 00:20:47,460 You know rape isn't about sex. 396 00:20:47,470 --> 00:20:50,060 It's about power and control and humiliation. 397 00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:51,490 He's a sick fuck, 398 00:20:51,730 --> 00:20:53,570 and he can hide it better than your average herbert 399 00:20:53,580 --> 00:20:55,430 because he's clever, clever enough 400 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,050 to make someone like you doubt forensic evidence. 401 00:20:58,510 --> 00:21:01,200 Room 703 and Room 522. 402 00:21:01,450 --> 00:21:03,050 - Enjoy your stay, ladies. - Thank you. 403 00:21:03,450 --> 00:21:04,750 All we have to do, well, 404 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,540 all North Avon have to do is find out 405 00:21:06,550 --> 00:21:08,450 who killed Yasmin, and prove it fast, 406 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,200 before people like McAndrew 407 00:21:10,210 --> 00:21:11,850 manage to turn it into something it isn't. 408 00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:14,350 We know who killed the others, Rachel, 409 00:21:14,750 --> 00:21:16,050 it was that nice man you spoke to 410 00:21:16,060 --> 00:21:17,410 this morning at HMP Ravenhill. 411 00:21:17,420 --> 00:21:18,840 Well, all the same. I think we... 412 00:21:19,310 --> 00:21:21,330 I think they ought to look very closely 413 00:21:21,340 --> 00:21:22,880 - at Jackson again. - I agree with you 414 00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:24,700 cos I think Leach is trying to set Jackson up, which... 415 00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:26,010 which... 416 00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:29,050 means he's involved. 417 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:30,640 It's not just someone who's copying him. 418 00:21:30,650 --> 00:21:32,360 It's someone he's conspired with, 419 00:21:32,370 --> 00:21:35,240 someone he's consciously inculcated with his... 420 00:21:36,330 --> 00:21:37,630 And he's arrogant enough to think he 421 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,200 can point us in the wrong direction. 422 00:21:39,370 --> 00:21:41,350 Stick your bag in your room, back here in five minutes, 423 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:42,830 we're going to the incident room. 424 00:21:52,150 --> 00:21:53,450 Ed! 425 00:21:54,190 --> 00:21:56,380 - Hello, ma'am. - Where's Mr. Wallis? 426 00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:58,050 He's driven over to Abbots Leigh. 427 00:22:00,350 --> 00:22:01,650 Another girl's turned up. 428 00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:03,370 Same. 429 00:22:03,930 --> 00:22:05,230 Cable ties. 430 00:22:13,850 --> 00:22:15,410 Yeah. It makes sense. 431 00:22:15,450 --> 00:22:17,070 I mean, it was always a possibility of course 432 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,810 that Leach was behind the whole thing, yeah but... 433 00:22:20,730 --> 00:22:22,600 does it actually change the investigation? 434 00:22:22,610 --> 00:22:23,910 If we accept that he's pulling the strings? 435 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,690 No, no, of course it doesn't, but again 436 00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:27,650 it points the finger away from Jackson, 437 00:22:27,660 --> 00:22:29,910 given that he was so keen to implicate him. 438 00:22:30,370 --> 00:22:33,100 Look, Gill. I don't want it to be Jackson any more than you do. 439 00:22:33,730 --> 00:22:37,490 I know what kind of unhelpful frenzy this could set off in the media. 440 00:22:37,610 --> 00:22:39,610 But we have got to keep an open mind. 441 00:22:39,710 --> 00:22:43,590 Yeah. Course. But this is someone who is inside with him. 442 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,230 This is not a visitor, certainly not Jackson. 443 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,660 This is someone not unlike himself. 444 00:22:48,970 --> 00:22:50,650 This is someone who is capable of doing that. 445 00:22:50,660 --> 00:22:54,420 Even a copycat killing, you don't go from nought to 90 in 10 seconds. 446 00:22:54,430 --> 00:22:56,220 Jackson's got no criminal record. 447 00:22:56,330 --> 00:22:58,960 You and I both know that whoever did this has got previous. 448 00:22:58,970 --> 00:23:01,470 Jackson hasn't even got a speeding ticket 449 00:23:01,580 --> 00:23:03,370 cos he doesn't drive! So 450 00:23:03,380 --> 00:23:05,270 how's he got that body out here? 451 00:23:05,810 --> 00:23:07,560 You're absolutely right. 452 00:23:10,610 --> 00:23:12,200 So what haven't I done, Gill? 453 00:23:12,210 --> 00:23:15,150 Could I ask how you're prioritising interviewing 454 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,660 and eliminating the people Leach has been inside with? 455 00:23:17,670 --> 00:23:20,040 I mean, prisoners not wardens and visitors. 456 00:23:20,050 --> 00:23:21,480 Yeah, well, initially we're looking at people 457 00:23:21,490 --> 00:23:23,780 who he's close to in the last five years, 458 00:23:24,150 --> 00:23:27,320 people he spent time with who were released in the last year. 459 00:23:27,330 --> 00:23:30,320 I think you should be prioritising your sexually-motivated killers. 460 00:23:30,340 --> 00:23:31,970 Going back the whole 13 years, 461 00:23:31,980 --> 00:23:34,040 however brief their exposure to him. 462 00:23:34,050 --> 00:23:35,360 Well, that was discussed, but... 463 00:23:35,370 --> 00:23:37,960 I hope you don't mind, but I rang the clinical psychologist 464 00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:39,960 I work with in Manchester, Martin Hines. 465 00:23:40,270 --> 00:23:43,100 He says this could be someone Leach met in the toilets 466 00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:45,340 for five minutes once a week ten years ago. 467 00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:47,680 He'll have avoided being noticed with this person 468 00:23:47,690 --> 00:23:49,790 because he's got too much in common with him. 469 00:23:49,810 --> 00:23:52,380 He's persistently maintained his innocence, so 470 00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:54,870 so publicly this person would be anathema to him. 471 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,980 Privately though, this is someone he'll have identified 472 00:23:57,990 --> 00:24:01,980 really quickly, then cultivated, then avoided being seen with. 473 00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:04,390 He'll have promised him something, God knows what, 474 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,460 a spree together if ever he helps him get out, 475 00:24:07,470 --> 00:24:10,270 not money, that wouldn't motivate this sort of sick bugger. 476 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,250 And he's so controlled, Leach, 477 00:24:12,260 --> 00:24:15,240 this could be someone who was released three or four years ago, 478 00:24:15,250 --> 00:24:18,310 waiting for Leach to give him the nod at just the right moment... 479 00:24:18,370 --> 00:24:19,670 With exactly the right victim. 480 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,890 Leach knew that Jackson knew Yasmin Heaney. 481 00:24:21,930 --> 00:24:24,310 He mentioned her in the letters that he wrote to Leach, 482 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,520 Jackson did, and she fitted the victim profile. 483 00:24:28,030 --> 00:24:30,370 Well, a couple of the lads did a comprehensive list of everybody 484 00:24:30,380 --> 00:24:33,230 that Leach was exposed to inside prison going back the whole 13 years. 485 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,660 Do you want to have look at it, 486 00:24:35,070 --> 00:24:37,050 - suggest a new strategy? - Sure. 487 00:24:37,060 --> 00:24:38,690 Have you identified her? 488 00:24:39,390 --> 00:24:41,160 There was a 30-year-old woman reported missing 489 00:24:41,170 --> 00:24:42,510 in Bristol last week... 490 00:24:42,750 --> 00:24:44,210 Jodie Winterbourne. 491 00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:46,010 30, 492 00:24:46,020 --> 00:24:47,320 five foot eight, 493 00:24:47,630 --> 00:24:48,930 short dark hair. 494 00:24:50,290 --> 00:24:52,070 She's ticking a lot of boxes. 495 00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:56,990 Dark brown hair, five foot eight. 496 00:24:57,810 --> 00:24:59,210 What about it? 497 00:24:59,490 --> 00:25:00,790 I fit the victim profile, 498 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,200 that's why you asked me to interview him. 499 00:25:02,610 --> 00:25:05,550 Yeah. I thought he'd fall for you though, not the other way round. 500 00:25:06,450 --> 00:25:07,950 - That's unethical. - Sue me. 501 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,060 It didn't occur to me in fact. 502 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,080 You were the first Tier 3 I bumped into. 503 00:25:12,090 --> 00:25:14,180 I asked where Janet was, if you remember. 504 00:25:15,370 --> 00:25:16,670 So is this what you used to do? 505 00:25:16,790 --> 00:25:18,860 Drop into other forces, tell 'em what to do? 506 00:25:19,070 --> 00:25:21,780 You don't tell people what to do. You advise them. 507 00:25:21,810 --> 00:25:23,950 I advised on eight jobs in one week once. 508 00:25:24,580 --> 00:25:25,880 - What, murders? - Yep. 509 00:25:25,890 --> 00:25:28,020 Still, it's swings and roundabouts, isn't it? 510 00:25:28,030 --> 00:25:29,330 If I hadn't given it up 511 00:25:29,340 --> 00:25:30,720 I'd never have met you and Kevin. 512 00:25:39,810 --> 00:25:41,310 So he's been in four prisons, 513 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,810 had 58 cell moves. 514 00:25:42,850 --> 00:25:46,430 That's a total of 3,426 inmates 515 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,850 he's potentially come into contact 516 00:25:47,860 --> 00:25:49,160 with over 13 years. 517 00:25:49,570 --> 00:25:50,950 Let's start with a list of those 518 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,650 convicted of murder and of rape. 519 00:25:52,660 --> 00:25:54,200 - Thank you. - OK. 520 00:25:54,220 --> 00:25:56,850 Then a list of those just convicted of murder, 521 00:25:56,860 --> 00:25:58,310 cos, let's faces, how many times 522 00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,760 have we had someone who's raped and murdered, 523 00:25:59,770 --> 00:26:02,080 but the CPS only push on the murder charge? 524 00:26:02,090 --> 00:26:04,110 - Tell me about it. - Then, third... 525 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:05,940 a list of those convicted of just rape. 526 00:26:06,150 --> 00:26:07,560 Cool. Yep. 527 00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:09,030 Ma'am, is it all right if I... 528 00:26:09,310 --> 00:26:10,670 - make a call? - Yeah. Course. 529 00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:17,050 Dom? 530 00:26:17,260 --> 00:26:18,720 - Hiya. - Where are you? 531 00:26:19,470 --> 00:26:20,770 Your house. 532 00:26:21,410 --> 00:26:22,710 Where have you been? 533 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,160 Nowhere just here. 534 00:26:25,730 --> 00:26:27,720 Me and Alison have both been trying to get hold of you. 535 00:26:28,590 --> 00:26:30,110 I know, I'm sorry. 536 00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:34,020 You all right? 537 00:26:35,930 --> 00:26:37,230 Yep. 538 00:26:38,370 --> 00:26:39,910 I've been worried about you. 539 00:26:41,890 --> 00:26:43,190 Sorry. 540 00:26:44,530 --> 00:26:45,970 Are you eating properly? 541 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,780 Yep. 542 00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:49,110 What've you had today? 543 00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:51,870 Toast. 544 00:26:55,690 --> 00:26:56,990 Listen, Dom... 545 00:26:59,690 --> 00:27:00,990 I love you. 546 00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:04,450 I don't want you to be embarrassed about what's happened. 547 00:27:06,170 --> 00:27:09,420 I just want you to move on and get your life back together. 548 00:27:10,290 --> 00:27:11,590 Yeah. 549 00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:15,940 Some of the most horrendous, violent murders 550 00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:17,830 I've ever seen have involved gay men 551 00:27:17,850 --> 00:27:20,970 with other men in exactly that situation like you were in. 552 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,270 I'm sorry if you think... 553 00:27:27,820 --> 00:27:30,220 Look, I wasn't over-reacting. Believe me, I wasn't. 554 00:27:32,770 --> 00:27:34,070 OK. 555 00:27:34,810 --> 00:27:37,370 We'll work everything out, all right? 556 00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:41,090 We will, I promise. 557 00:27:42,130 --> 00:27:44,210 I want you to buy some fresh fruit and veg 558 00:27:44,220 --> 00:27:46,680 with that money I left you, right? 559 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,670 - Dom? - Yep. Yep. 560 00:27:52,210 --> 00:27:55,820 All right I've got to go, but I'll be back soon. Soon as I can. 561 00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:58,530 Yep. 562 00:28:00,490 --> 00:28:03,070 I'll see you. See you. 563 00:28:20,030 --> 00:28:22,990 42 killers also convicted of rape, now released. 564 00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:24,920 Most of them are elderly, past it. 565 00:28:24,930 --> 00:28:28,070 12 under the age of 60. The youngest is 38. 566 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,390 We need the crime scene photos 567 00:28:30,430 --> 00:28:33,380 of the murders that each of those 12 were originally convicted of. 568 00:28:33,390 --> 00:28:35,330 - Yep. - And we need to compare them... 569 00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:37,310 - Ed? - Listening. 570 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,310 With the crime scenes from the present two murders... 571 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,170 Yasmin's and this latest one Jodie if it is Jodie... 572 00:28:42,580 --> 00:28:43,920 - Yep... - starting with those 573 00:28:43,930 --> 00:28:45,720 who now live geographically closest 574 00:28:45,730 --> 00:28:48,470 because every one of these twisted sods should be out on a license. 575 00:28:48,570 --> 00:28:50,450 They'll have a parole officer to report to, 576 00:28:50,460 --> 00:28:52,730 so chances are it's not someone who's in Edinburgh. 577 00:28:52,740 --> 00:28:54,210 - Yep. - There's another thing 578 00:28:54,220 --> 00:28:56,490 I want you to do. I want you to compare 579 00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:59,700 the photos of Yasmin's murder and Jodie's murder with each other 580 00:28:59,710 --> 00:29:02,850 and then compare those with the four Leach was convicted of. 581 00:29:02,890 --> 00:29:05,470 And this time I want you to look at the differences 582 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,440 as well as the similarities. 583 00:29:07,450 --> 00:29:10,070 I think they've focused on the similarities too much. 584 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,690 I want you to look at what this new bloke's brought to the party 585 00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:14,590 that's nothing to do with Leach's MO. 586 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,220 Something all of his own from his previous offences 587 00:29:17,250 --> 00:29:19,770 that's seeped through, something he's probably not aware of himself. 588 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,780 Right. 589 00:29:53,050 --> 00:29:55,410 You've got four men in your force area 590 00:29:55,450 --> 00:29:57,190 who could be the person we're looking for. 591 00:29:57,410 --> 00:30:00,620 Three of them are registered with their probation officers here in Bristol, 592 00:30:00,630 --> 00:30:03,410 but there's another one, a fella called Philip Martin Hibbert... 593 00:30:05,030 --> 00:30:07,410 who's registered at an address in Yeovil. 594 00:30:08,020 --> 00:30:11,030 He murdered two women 15 years ago, raped 'em as well, 595 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,340 but he was never charged with that. 596 00:30:12,350 --> 00:30:14,210 He was released 18 months since. 597 00:30:14,670 --> 00:30:16,670 The other three are John James Wilkes, 598 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,560 registered at an address in St Paul's, 599 00:30:19,070 --> 00:30:20,930 sexually assaulted three women in Lincolnshire, 600 00:30:20,940 --> 00:30:22,240 - none of whom died. - But 601 00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:24,320 But one of whom the police believed he'd left for dead, 602 00:30:24,330 --> 00:30:26,210 so it was an attempted murder rather than a murder. 603 00:30:26,220 --> 00:30:30,080 He was released four years ago, originally sent down in 1997. 604 00:30:30,090 --> 00:30:33,230 Hassan Abuzein, registered an address Knowle West, 605 00:30:33,250 --> 00:30:34,550 sent down 1995, raped 606 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,450 and murdered his niece in Southall, London. 607 00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:39,250 Released from Ravenhill six months ago. 608 00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:42,810 Ashley Robert Boyall, ex-army, registered address Easton, 609 00:30:42,820 --> 00:30:44,810 released two-and-a-half years ago. Served 15 years 610 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,540 for murdering two sex workers. 611 00:30:46,550 --> 00:30:48,860 That was in... Kettering. 612 00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:52,530 We can widen the net obviously if this doesn't give us what we're looking for. 613 00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:54,610 But I asked Rachel to look at the differences 614 00:30:54,730 --> 00:30:57,550 between Leach's original crime scenes and the present ones 615 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,860 to see if there was any seepage, 616 00:30:58,870 --> 00:31:00,330 things that didn't fit in with Leach 617 00:31:00,370 --> 00:31:03,190 but which did correspond to the MO of these men. 618 00:31:03,210 --> 00:31:06,070 We think this one, the first one, Hibbert, 619 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,990 could be the man you're looking for. 620 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,190 - Show him. - Well, that's Yasmin Heaney 621 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,050 and that's Jodie, last night, yeah? 622 00:31:12,650 --> 00:31:16,260 That's Heather Price and that's Jane Reid, Hibbert's victims. 623 00:31:21,210 --> 00:31:23,430 He dragged them all there by their arms. 624 00:31:23,670 --> 00:31:26,000 Which suggests they were already dead when he took 'em there. 625 00:31:26,010 --> 00:31:28,790 Leach didn't do that, he killed his victims at the scene. 626 00:31:29,050 --> 00:31:30,990 There are a few more details pointing at Hibbert, 627 00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:33,360 - which we can go through if you like. - Sorry. 628 00:31:34,210 --> 00:31:35,770 Hello. Rick Wallis. 629 00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:38,550 Yep. 630 00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:41,310 OK, thank you. 631 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,890 Thank you. Bye now. Bye. 632 00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:45,150 That was the lab. 633 00:31:47,410 --> 00:31:50,130 Alastair Jackson's DNA on a cigarette butt we found 634 00:31:50,140 --> 00:31:52,000 at last night's crime scene. 635 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,130 I'm just asking before you race in and make an arrest which, 636 00:31:59,140 --> 00:32:01,560 if you believe that's the right thing to do, that's your call. 637 00:32:01,570 --> 00:32:03,240 But I'm asking you to consider this... 638 00:32:03,460 --> 00:32:05,360 we've been working on the theory that 639 00:32:05,370 --> 00:32:06,960 Leach is setting Jackson up, 640 00:32:06,970 --> 00:32:09,910 working with an accomplice, who is capable of rape and murder. 641 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,930 I'm pretty certain that same person 642 00:32:11,940 --> 00:32:14,480 would be more than capable of planting a fag butt too. 643 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,660 I suggest that someone in Jackson's orbit 644 00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:18,970 has watched him smoke a fag 645 00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:20,740 then picked it up when he's stubbed it out. 646 00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:22,080 Who does he hang around with? 647 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,600 Jackson? No-one. 648 00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:28,150 I told you, he's an oddity, he's a loner. 649 00:32:28,380 --> 00:32:30,990 Someone, anyone. Where does he go, what does he do? 650 00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:33,860 We know he liked going in the library where Yasmin worked. 651 00:32:34,750 --> 00:32:37,610 Well, the only thing was the man who wasn't there. 652 00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:39,730 - Who? - The man who doesn't exist. 653 00:32:40,050 --> 00:32:42,350 - Who? - Dunno. He didn't exist. 654 00:32:42,780 --> 00:32:44,260 Yeah. Jackson's alibi. 655 00:32:44,270 --> 00:32:46,150 He said that when Yasmin was being attacked, 656 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,980 he was with some fella called Tim Smith 657 00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:50,530 who he said worked for Burton's builders' supplies 658 00:32:50,540 --> 00:32:53,680 on St Bude's Road, and who lived in a flat in Frome, 659 00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:57,080 and who he said he got very drunk with on the night in question. 660 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,020 So drunk in fact, that he could 661 00:32:59,030 --> 00:33:00,960 remember almost nothing the next day. 662 00:33:00,970 --> 00:33:02,270 We had it checked out. 663 00:33:02,570 --> 00:33:03,970 We checked it out thoroughly, I mean 664 00:33:03,980 --> 00:33:05,610 we checked every Tim Smith in our force area, 665 00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:08,870 and in the surrounding four force areas, and nothing. 666 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,180 So where did Jackson go to with this 667 00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:11,490 Tim Smith to get drunk then? 668 00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:14,020 Well, he said they drank at home, Jackson's home. 669 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,340 There were no witnesses so no-one's 670 00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:17,320 seen or heard of this Tim Smith. 671 00:33:18,110 --> 00:33:19,930 He did invent it, so... 672 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,020 it makes you wonder why would you make something up if you've got nothing to hide? 673 00:33:23,030 --> 00:33:24,820 But you don't think Jackson was off his face. 674 00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:27,050 The whole thing is a crap attempt at an alibi? 675 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,420 That's what we were left with, yeah. 676 00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:30,470 What else did he say about the man who doesn't exist? 677 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,780 How recently had he got to know him? 678 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,100 Recent. 679 00:33:34,110 --> 00:33:36,370 Well, what if Tim Smith does exist? 680 00:33:36,380 --> 00:33:37,910 Only he's not called Tim Smith. 681 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,400 And he sat with Jackson, let him drink himself stupid and 682 00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:45,110 left him rat-arsed, incapable, alone, 683 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,570 and then he went off and committed the murder. 684 00:33:46,580 --> 00:33:50,430 So how about sticking Hibbert in a pre-arrest vim's ID parade 685 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,220 and seeing if Jackson recognises Hibbert but as Tim Smith. 686 00:33:55,980 --> 00:33:58,660 Is it all right if I call you Alastair, Mr. Jackson? 687 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,720 You can call me what you like. 688 00:34:02,150 --> 00:34:03,660 You probably will anyway. 689 00:34:04,410 --> 00:34:05,830 We just wanted to have a little bit 690 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,430 of a talk with you about your friend. 691 00:34:08,140 --> 00:34:10,560 The one you told us about... Tim Smith. 692 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,110 Have you seen him at all recently? 693 00:34:14,140 --> 00:34:15,440 No. 694 00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:19,790 What we were wondering, Alastair, is... 695 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,070 do you think if we showed you some photographs 696 00:34:23,490 --> 00:34:25,410 that you might be able to recognise him? 697 00:34:25,950 --> 00:34:27,670 Yes, I imagine so. 698 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:31,980 Why? Have you found him? 699 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,130 We think we might be getting close. 700 00:34:34,850 --> 00:34:36,150 OK, 701 00:34:36,850 --> 00:34:38,530 I'm just going to ask you a few questions. 702 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,100 First question might seem a bit odd 703 00:34:40,110 --> 00:34:43,000 but I will explain to you at the end why I'm asking. 704 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,980 You told us 705 00:34:45,390 --> 00:34:47,620 that you and Mr. Smith 706 00:34:47,650 --> 00:34:49,570 went back to your house and had a few drinks. 707 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,490 I thought you didn't believe me. 708 00:34:52,610 --> 00:34:54,200 About Tim Smith. 709 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,960 You said he stayed a while, chatting. 710 00:34:59,810 --> 00:35:02,030 Yes. He did. 711 00:35:02,990 --> 00:35:05,490 Now, I know you told us 712 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,720 you don't remember much about what happened later. 713 00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:09,030 But... 714 00:35:09,540 --> 00:35:13,310 if we were to come round to your house with you... 715 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,910 do you think you might be able to point to anything 716 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,160 he might have touched while he was there? 717 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,620 He went through some of my CDs. 718 00:35:22,650 --> 00:35:23,980 Is that any good? 719 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,380 Yes, I think that would be spot on. 720 00:35:28,410 --> 00:35:29,950 You see if we can get his fingerprints... 721 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,390 In fact the glass he drank out of 722 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,520 is probably still on the floor somewhere. 723 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,220 Nice. 724 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,720 And are you anywhere nearer catching the killer? 725 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,110 Because you know what's being said, 726 00:35:43,260 --> 00:35:45,570 don't you? In the press. 727 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,160 That whoever is murdering these women 728 00:35:49,370 --> 00:35:52,220 could've been the killer 13 years ago. 729 00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:54,800 My father and I have been saying for years 730 00:35:54,810 --> 00:35:56,740 that Jeremy Leach is an innocent man. 731 00:35:56,780 --> 00:35:59,260 And he's been talking so highly of you, pal. 732 00:35:59,580 --> 00:36:01,610 Would you like to come this way please, Mr. Jackson? 733 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,810 Hello. Rick Wallis. 734 00:36:07,950 --> 00:36:10,290 Yep. He's identified Him. 735 00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:13,870 Jackson's identified Hibbert! Let's pick him up! 736 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,060 Well done. 737 00:36:17,070 --> 00:36:19,510 You stick with me kid, I'll get you into a fight. 738 00:36:32,740 --> 00:36:34,250 Yeah, hold on! 739 00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:41,010 Fuck. 740 00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:44,740 - Hello. - I fell asleep. 741 00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:47,130 You did right. Can I come in? 742 00:36:48,660 --> 00:36:49,960 Yeah, 743 00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:51,800 I was just packing. 744 00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:55,740 I've just had a phone call. 745 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:57,990 It's bad news. 746 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,780 - Our Dom. - Who's Dom? 747 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,620 No, not Dom. 748 00:37:03,740 --> 00:37:07,110 I had a phone call from the CPS in Manchester. 749 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,310 They're dropping the attempted murder charge 750 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,840 against Nick Savage. 751 00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:15,480 I know. I know. It's... 752 00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:18,900 Unbelievable doesn't even start to cover it. 753 00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:21,770 Well, so what are they charging him with? 754 00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:23,870 Nothing. They're say there's insufficient, 755 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,180 They're saying there's no evidence. 756 00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:27,530 They're saying legally there isn't a case. 757 00:37:28,420 --> 00:37:29,750 - So he's gonna walk? - Well, 758 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,190 he'll never work as a barrister again 759 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,080 because of his relationship with that juror, 760 00:37:33,090 --> 00:37:35,550 and I'm assuming his marriage is stuffed, but 761 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,890 - yes, that's the upshot at the minute. - He knows where I live. 762 00:37:39,090 --> 00:37:41,200 I'd be very surprised if he tried anything like that again. 763 00:37:41,420 --> 00:37:42,800 He's got keys to my flat. 764 00:37:42,820 --> 00:37:44,300 Change the locks. 765 00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:46,520 Are you all right? 766 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,310 Stupid question. 767 00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:53,340 Do you want the less bad news? 768 00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:58,280 I don't know. Do I? 769 00:37:58,490 --> 00:38:01,040 They picked Hibbert up. Two hours ago. 770 00:38:01,050 --> 00:38:02,620 They found his phone, 771 00:38:02,650 --> 00:38:05,400 they found a few other things that could link him to Leach. 772 00:38:05,420 --> 00:38:08,370 Anyway, he's confessed, he's confessing. 773 00:38:08,380 --> 00:38:10,430 He's talking right now, 774 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,430 mostly about Leach about how Leach coached him, 775 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,470 the things he told him he'd done. 776 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,730 The point is. Rick Wallis wants us to talk to Leach again 777 00:38:18,740 --> 00:38:21,510 to put it to him that Hibbert's making these allegations. 778 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,550 They've only got us for another 24 hours. I said we would. 779 00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:27,040 - What do you think? - Yeah. 780 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,660 Dom's my brother, by the way. 781 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:33,540 He was at my birthday thing. 782 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,250 He probably didn't speak to you. 783 00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:40,050 I was thinking about that pig... 784 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,620 Savage. 785 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,520 You wouldn't really want endless details 786 00:38:44,530 --> 00:38:47,520 about your private life dragged through the court, would you? 787 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,820 Cos you know damned well that's what'd happen, 788 00:38:50,940 --> 00:38:53,150 if the CPS had pressed charges against him. 789 00:38:54,140 --> 00:38:56,480 You know what I really can't get over 790 00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:58,730 is that I trusted him. 791 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,250 I loved him. I wanted to spend the rest of my life with him. 792 00:39:02,980 --> 00:39:04,280 Yeah. Well. 793 00:39:05,590 --> 00:39:07,590 Some people are very plausible, aren't they? 794 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:10,350 Yeah but how do you know? 795 00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:11,890 How can you see through 'em? 796 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,420 Like this Leach bastard. 797 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:18,480 - I did, I fell for it. - You can't always. 798 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,030 Look at the bugger I married. 799 00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:27,630 It's not just instinct. It's experience. 800 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,990 I think a large part of instinct is experience. 801 00:39:32,260 --> 00:39:33,560 So, you know, 802 00:39:34,580 --> 00:39:37,410 I don't think we should give up on your rosy future just yet. 803 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,030 Well, I sometimes think I'm shit at this job. 804 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,180 Hey! If you're fishing for compliments lady, 805 00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:44,140 you're talking to the wrong small-minded bitch. 806 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,860 Why didn't I know you had a brother? 807 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,820 Because he's a bit of black sheep 808 00:39:52,830 --> 00:39:55,620 in a family of black sheep so that's going some. 809 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,830 What's he done? 810 00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,580 Dom... 811 00:39:59,590 --> 00:40:01,310 What hadn't he done? 812 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,920 No, he's just staying with me at the minute 813 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,480 because he's a bit down on his luck 814 00:40:06,490 --> 00:40:08,880 and because he's got nowhere else to go. 815 00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:19,730 Have you arrested Alastair Jackson? 816 00:40:20,290 --> 00:40:22,380 No, Mr. Leach. We haven't. 817 00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:25,520 We charged a man called Philip Martin Hibbert 818 00:40:25,530 --> 00:40:27,840 with the murders of Yasmin Heaney and Jodie Winterbourne. 819 00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:30,170 Do you know him? 820 00:40:30,190 --> 00:40:31,490 Phillip Martin Hibbert? 821 00:40:31,570 --> 00:40:34,470 Yes, yes. He... was in Durham 822 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,650 at the same time I was, on the same wing, briefly. Why? 823 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,200 Could you describe the sort of contact you had with him 824 00:40:39,550 --> 00:40:41,480 - in Durham? - None. 825 00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:44,050 And have you had any contact with him since he was released? 826 00:40:44,060 --> 00:40:45,630 Well, no, of course not. Why would I? 827 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,360 Hibbert is telling us that you and he 828 00:40:48,370 --> 00:40:50,550 became very close in Durham. 829 00:40:50,580 --> 00:40:52,580 Well, that's not true. 830 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:54,610 That you had an understanding, 831 00:40:55,010 --> 00:40:56,310 an agreement. 832 00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,580 Hibbert was an odd, 833 00:40:59,590 --> 00:41:01,420 unpleasant kind of... 834 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,870 just not the sort of person I would associate with. 835 00:41:04,110 --> 00:41:05,820 That's not what he says. 836 00:41:05,850 --> 00:41:07,910 If he's implying anything about me, 837 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,220 then he's... 838 00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:12,280 he's delusional. 839 00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:24,080 Do you know when Janet got stabbed? 840 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,720 I fell apart. You didn't. 841 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,880 I just stood there shaking, babbling. 842 00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:35,850 I'd only known her for 12 months. 843 00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:37,580 You'd known her nearly 20 years, yet... 844 00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:40,920 it was me that was falling to bits. 845 00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:43,680 If I hadn't been there you'd have done everything I did. 846 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,650 You had the luxury of falling apart 847 00:41:47,660 --> 00:41:49,910 because you knew I wouldn't. 848 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,990 You'd have coped, if you'd had to. 849 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,470 I went home and cried my eyes out, 850 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,570 but there was no way I was gonna do that there 851 00:41:58,580 --> 00:42:00,770 then in front of you lot. 852 00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:02,950 Plus. I remember thinking, 853 00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:05,820 if this is the last thing I ever do for Janet 854 00:42:05,830 --> 00:42:07,810 for Janet, and I hope to God it isn't, 855 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,670 I'm going to do it properly. 856 00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:12,010 That's where your head would've been if it'd had to be. 857 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,070 And the fact that you beat yourself up about stuff so much 858 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,520 tells me how keen you are to 859 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,320 learn and get things right. 860 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:21,660 You're good. 861 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,070 And one day, you'll be very good. 862 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:25,820 All right? 863 00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:30,230 I made a really bad decision once. 864 00:42:33,020 --> 00:42:34,320 What? 865 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,520 It was when Sammy was four. 866 00:42:39,410 --> 00:42:42,300 I realised way back then that Dave was mucking about 867 00:42:42,310 --> 00:42:43,780 with another woman and I... 868 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,660 buried my head in the sand. 869 00:42:50,290 --> 00:42:51,690 I was in love with the man... 870 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,020 I wanted him to be not the man he clearly was, 871 00:42:55,940 --> 00:42:57,530 and I ignored it. 872 00:42:58,240 --> 00:42:59,940 For ten years. 873 00:43:00,220 --> 00:43:02,080 Pretended it wasn't happening. 874 00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:03,560 And if I'd had the guts 875 00:43:03,870 --> 00:43:05,760 to deal with it then 876 00:43:05,790 --> 00:43:07,780 instead of later when I had to, 877 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,310 when he went off with... 878 00:43:09,460 --> 00:43:12,350 Everything would've been so much better for Sammy, 879 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,750 but for me as well because I'd have got myself organised 880 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,530 so I didn't have to stop working at the Faculty. 881 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,720 I was good at that job, Rachel, I loved it. 882 00:43:21,730 --> 00:43:23,690 I know I was born for it, and... 883 00:43:24,690 --> 00:43:27,850 I'd almost forgotten how much till these last few days. 884 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,130 I'd forgotten how alive it made me feel. 885 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,790 - Have you heard the news? - Very pretty. 886 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,130 So don't you think that is like a confession? 887 00:44:00,140 --> 00:44:01,440 Not exactly. 888 00:44:01,540 --> 00:44:03,280 Someone like Leach, 889 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,800 a control freak, being in prison's agony. 890 00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:08,920 For all the usual reasons, but on top of that, 891 00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:10,990 you've got no control over anything. 892 00:44:11,010 --> 00:44:12,780 What time you eat, what time you sleep, 893 00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:14,260 when you speak to other people. 894 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,700 He's done that because death 895 00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:18,380 is the only bit of control he had left. 896 00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:21,140 After we took away his little carefully-planned pipe dream, 897 00:44:21,150 --> 00:44:23,230 that's all. But, you know, 898 00:44:23,850 --> 00:44:25,150 who cares? 899 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,260 Well done. 900 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,220 - Is everything OK? - Ma'am, 901 00:44:41,230 --> 00:44:42,860 - is it alright if me and Kev get off? - Yes! 902 00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:44,940 - Go! Good luck! - Sergeants exam. 903 00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:46,860 We will continue to work round the clock 904 00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:49,360 until Dylan is brought home to Dawn. 905 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,450 - What? - My brother's in hospital. 906 00:44:51,460 --> 00:44:54,230 He's been involved in some sort of traffic accident. 907 00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:55,690 - I'm taking you. - You're not missing it 908 00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:57,000 - cos of me! - So 909 00:44:57,010 --> 00:44:59,250 you'll be working with your ex-husband. 910 00:44:59,460 --> 00:45:00,900 I assume you haven't got a problem with that? 911 00:45:00,910 --> 00:45:02,910 - No, sir. - More flowers? 912 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,160 - Who they from this time? - Same. 913 00:45:08,620 --> 00:45:11,600 ITFC Subtitle Sync: Marocas62 9999 00:00:0,500 --> 00:00:2,00 www.tvsubtitles.net 70212

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