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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: WEBVTT 00:00:22.290 --> 00:00:24.930 - The first book actually covers five years, 00:00:24.930 --> 00:00:27.110 because I didn't really have a camera then, 00:00:27.110 --> 00:00:28.610 I didn't take many pictures, 00:00:28.610 --> 00:00:30.787 I just used an Instomatic camera. 00:00:30.787 --> 00:00:35.293 And then the next five years is about 15 books. 00:00:41.230 --> 00:00:43.923 That was me, yeah, before I had blonde hair. 00:00:44.950 --> 00:00:48.670 Just in Long Beach in New York. 00:00:48.670 --> 00:00:50.703 - [Interviewer] Why did you change your hair color? 00:00:52.810 --> 00:00:56.033 - I was slightly drunk and I thought it might be nice. 00:01:33.250 --> 00:01:35.640 The thing is that the way they developed, 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:38.990 the way the book developed, was originally, 00:01:38.990 --> 00:01:43.370 you see, in 1967 I was cleaning up here 00:01:43.370 --> 00:01:46.260 and I found, again, all the photographs 00:01:46.260 --> 00:01:49.520 from the previous five, six years. 00:01:49.520 --> 00:01:52.510 And I didn't quite know what to do with them 00:01:52.510 --> 00:01:56.520 and I decided to buy a photograph album, stick them in. 00:01:56.520 --> 00:02:01.300 And then, just at the same time, I bought a camera. 00:02:01.300 --> 00:02:03.510 So that's how they began really, 00:02:03.510 --> 00:02:04.670 and that's how they developed. 00:02:04.670 --> 00:02:08.800 I decided to actually buy a camera and take pictures myself, 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:12.160 whereas before I'd often ask people to take pictures for me 00:02:12.160 --> 00:02:16.360 if I wanted a picture of something, a reference, you see. 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:18.090 I'd ask a friend to do it, 00:02:18.090 --> 00:02:20.030 and I thought maybe I could take pictures 00:02:20.030 --> 00:02:22.220 just as good as anybody else. 00:02:22.220 --> 00:02:24.110 I think I can actually. 00:02:24.110 --> 00:02:26.410 So this first book is just as, as I say, 00:02:26.410 --> 00:02:28.200 it's just five years. 00:02:28.200 --> 00:02:29.160 It's all squashed in. 00:02:29.160 --> 00:02:30.500 There's not too many pictures, 00:02:30.500 --> 00:02:32.173 and most of them I didn't take, actually, 00:02:32.173 --> 00:02:34.713 as you can see, because I appeared in them. 00:02:41.130 --> 00:02:43.860 That's Dennis Hopper took that picture actually. 00:02:43.860 --> 00:02:48.860 That's Henry Geldzahler, and Andy, and myself, and a friend 00:02:49.070 --> 00:02:51.650 in New York, in Harlem. 00:02:51.650 --> 00:02:55.610 We went to see a television film Dennis was making. 00:02:55.610 --> 00:02:57.773 These are the first pictures in that, 00:02:57.773 --> 00:03:00.750 when I went to live in California. 00:03:00.750 --> 00:03:03.520 But none of them yet I actually used for paintings. 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:06.780 It's later on, I did take photographs all the time 00:03:06.780 --> 00:03:10.697 for paintings, to use just for information really. 00:03:15.990 --> 00:03:18.300 I'll turn over quicker till we find some. 00:03:19.370 --> 00:03:21.803 Again, they were never used. 00:03:22.950 --> 00:03:25.340 I mean, really they're just like holiday snaps, 00:03:25.340 --> 00:03:26.430 you see so far. 00:03:26.430 --> 00:03:28.880 Most of them in this book are, I think. 00:03:28.880 --> 00:03:30.683 Ah yes, this was used for a painting. 00:03:30.683 --> 00:03:33.440 It's the portrait of Nick Wilder 00:03:33.440 --> 00:03:35.520 and I had these photographs taken, tht's Nick. 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:38.930 And there's some, actually, of him taken, stood in his pool. 00:03:38.930 --> 00:03:41.319 This is his swimming pool. 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:42.987 It was also, it was used in the painting called 00:03:42.987 --> 00:03:44.790 the Portrait of Nick Wilder, 00:03:44.790 --> 00:03:46.840 and it was also used in a painting I did 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:49.130 of Peter climbing out of the swimming pool. 00:03:51.880 --> 00:03:55.550 These are pictures ... 00:03:55.550 --> 00:03:56.553 for ... 00:03:58.330 --> 00:04:01.163 I call it Beverly Hills Housewife here. 00:04:02.300 --> 00:04:05.070 You can see that the painting and the sculpture there 00:04:05.070 --> 00:04:06.843 if you can remember the picture. 00:04:10.160 --> 00:04:12.483 And just odd details for it again. 00:04:16.080 --> 00:04:18.033 That chair appeared in the painting. 00:04:19.030 --> 00:04:22.960 This is Polaroid photographs I took of Peter 00:04:22.960 --> 00:04:25.710 for that painting of him clearing out. 00:04:25.710 --> 00:04:27.380 And he didn't actually pose in a swimming pool; 00:04:27.380 --> 00:04:30.883 he posed on his little car in the backyard in California. 00:04:36.990 --> 00:04:39.913 Here's Nick as he appears in the painting, you see. 00:04:42.750 --> 00:04:45.170 Looking like a busy, just looking 00:04:45.170 --> 00:04:48.720 like a marble head coming out of the water. 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:51.643 And this is the swimming pool, just a picture of the pool. 00:04:53.170 --> 00:04:57.610 That's my parents, my brother and his children. 00:04:57.610 --> 00:04:58.710 They live in Bradford. 00:05:03.820 --> 00:05:07.060 Here we're beginning now with photographs 00:05:07.060 --> 00:05:10.290 for the painting of Fred and Marsha Weisman. 00:05:10.290 --> 00:05:12.373 It's called American Collectors. 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:15.760 I took these pictures in a garden. 00:05:15.760 --> 00:05:19.170 This is a little pool house that is in the painting 00:05:19.170 --> 00:05:23.143 and a Henry Moore sculpture and a Bill Turnbull sculpture. 00:05:24.100 --> 00:05:26.880 And that's how their faces appear. 00:05:26.880 --> 00:05:31.560 In the garden also they had this totem poll. 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:36.052 And I thought, if you look there, there's a kind of ... 00:05:36.052 --> 00:05:38.953 There's just a little smile. (chuckles) 00:05:41.846 --> 00:05:43.050 And that's their garden again 00:05:43.050 --> 00:05:45.380 with a pice of sculpture in it, and again 00:05:45.380 --> 00:05:49.493 just a detail that was used in the painting there. 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:56.183 And these other pictures are just friends in Los Angeles. 00:06:11.410 --> 00:06:13.183 Again, these are just taken in the street. 00:06:13.183 --> 00:06:15.263 I think that's a nice picture. 00:06:18.650 --> 00:06:19.570 In California. 00:06:19.570 --> 00:06:22.313 Unfortunately in black and white, as you can see. 00:06:24.110 --> 00:06:25.750 Oh, now here these are the start-- 00:06:25.750 --> 00:06:29.650 These were, this, as you can see is the room 00:06:29.650 --> 00:06:31.580 that I painted Christopher Issherwood in 00:06:31.580 --> 00:06:33.730 and I got them to sit. 00:06:33.730 --> 00:06:37.230 I made drawings, of course, that are drawing as well. 00:06:37.230 --> 00:06:42.230 This looks pretty much like the head in the painting. 00:06:43.900 --> 00:06:45.850 It was facing this way. 00:06:45.850 --> 00:06:48.300 Actually the painting is more done from life 00:06:48.300 --> 00:06:50.900 than from those pictures, actually. 00:06:50.900 --> 00:06:53.220 This is the still life that I set up. 00:06:53.220 --> 00:06:57.833 I set up and photographed it, you see, here in the painting. 00:07:00.133 --> 00:07:02.190 It goes to show you, often some people 00:07:02.190 --> 00:07:04.850 read a lot more into things than is intended. 00:07:04.850 --> 00:07:07.580 I mean, I set the still life up to arrange it 00:07:07.580 --> 00:07:09.943 so that light was falling on it and everything. 00:07:12.060 --> 00:07:14.210 Don, because Don is sat in this chair 00:07:14.210 --> 00:07:17.963 and there are four books piled there and only three there, 00:07:19.520 --> 00:07:20.980 they said I was hinting that 00:07:20.980 --> 00:07:23.930 perhaps Don wasn't as well read as Christopher, 00:07:23.930 --> 00:07:26.010 so he had to read some more books. 00:07:26.010 --> 00:07:28.220 But anyway, I mean, it was just balance, 00:07:28.220 --> 00:07:31.380 just a question in a way of kind of balance. 00:07:31.380 --> 00:07:34.983 That's a rather pretty boy in Hollywood. 00:07:38.270 --> 00:07:40.293 - [Interviewer] What made you go to California? 00:07:41.370 --> 00:07:43.220 - Well I'd lived in California before. 00:07:43.220 --> 00:07:44.380 I always liked it then. 00:07:44.380 --> 00:07:46.680 I still liked it very much then, actually. 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:50.653 It was sunny and sexy and everything. 00:07:51.690 --> 00:07:56.240 This is Richard Smith and the view ... 00:07:56.240 --> 00:07:57.340 You can just see the view. 00:07:57.340 --> 00:07:59.050 I did a painting, a big painting, 00:07:59.050 --> 00:08:02.410 a view from his window at Corona del Mar. 00:08:02.410 --> 00:08:04.600 This is Corona del Mar, and you can just 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:07.967 kind of recognize it if you see the painting. 00:08:07.967 --> 00:08:10.923 And this house is here, you see, looking out across there. 00:08:12.260 --> 00:08:13.400 That's nice. 00:08:13.400 --> 00:08:16.710 There are quite a number of these swimming pools, 00:08:16.710 --> 00:08:19.980 and I did paint water from these a lot, looking at them. 00:08:19.980 --> 00:08:21.960 You see, it's rather beautiful. 00:08:21.960 --> 00:08:24.190 I think the combination of blue and pink 00:08:27.393 --> 00:08:28.780 is a terrific color, really. 00:08:28.780 --> 00:08:30.320 It's a nice combination. 00:08:30.320 --> 00:08:33.210 And I also made a painting exactly from that photograph, 00:08:33.210 --> 00:08:34.260 almost ... 00:08:34.260 --> 00:08:35.790 I didn't alter anything in it. 00:08:35.790 --> 00:08:39.050 I just tried to copy it, 'cause I took that photograph 00:08:39.050 --> 00:08:42.110 early in the morning, and I was rather pleased with it. 00:08:42.110 --> 00:08:43.460 I thought it was beautiful. 00:08:44.380 --> 00:08:46.410 And then, there's ... 00:08:46.410 --> 00:08:50.100 Well, then you just get lots and lots of pages. 00:08:50.100 --> 00:08:51.013 This is Ossie. 00:09:16.053 --> 00:09:16.920 And that's Celia. 00:09:16.920 --> 00:09:20.313 This is Celia, who is in the painting. 00:10:35.010 --> 00:10:38.133 These are photographs of Ossie and Celia's wedding, 00:10:39.760 --> 00:10:42.440 which I took, mostly. 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:44.310 And that's just Ossie's sister. 00:10:44.310 --> 00:10:45.610 She took the other pictures. 00:10:45.610 --> 00:10:46.730 And she's wearing this dress 00:10:46.730 --> 00:10:49.113 that I did a picture of her in ... 00:10:50.220 --> 00:10:51.690 in an etching. 00:10:51.690 --> 00:10:53.010 'Cause she's quite pregnant, 00:10:53.010 --> 00:10:55.740 and it looks very beautiful in that picture. 00:10:55.740 --> 00:10:59.470 These are just taken outside that registry office 00:10:59.470 --> 00:11:00.303 you see there. 00:11:00.303 --> 00:11:01.200 It does look pretty. 00:11:02.170 --> 00:11:04.713 Then we came back in, had a bottle of champagne, 00:11:06.010 --> 00:11:07.523 and took these pictures. 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:12.843 It was nice. 00:11:16.540 --> 00:11:18.490 'Cause she was just going to have a baby, you see, 00:11:18.490 --> 00:11:19.890 so Ossie married here. 00:11:20.755 --> 00:11:23.172 (chattering) 00:11:28.748 --> 00:11:30.998 (laughing) 00:11:49.038 --> 00:11:51.230 Oh yeah, this is, oh, that's when Celia 00:11:51.230 --> 00:11:53.190 was in hospital going about to have the baby, 00:11:53.190 --> 00:11:57.703 but there's some pictures up here that start with ... 00:11:58.875 --> 00:12:01.880 I'd decided I'd been in the summer in ... 00:12:01.880 --> 00:12:03.790 Earlier in the summer I'd been in Vichy, 00:12:03.790 --> 00:12:08.010 and I decided to do a painting of the park there, 00:12:08.010 --> 00:12:09.310 so we went back to Vichy. 00:12:09.310 --> 00:12:12.890 I took Ossie, and Peter came with us. 00:12:12.890 --> 00:12:14.183 And this is just Paris. 00:12:16.980 --> 00:12:20.770 This is Vichy, just photographs of another section of it. 00:12:20.770 --> 00:12:22.260 But there's ... 00:12:22.260 --> 00:12:23.100 These are rather nice. 00:12:23.100 --> 00:12:26.650 This is Peter reading Proust in the hotel. 00:12:26.650 --> 00:12:27.980 A rather pretty hotel. 00:12:27.980 --> 00:12:29.950 I thought that was a lovely picture. 00:12:29.950 --> 00:12:31.033 And that one. 00:12:32.023 --> 00:12:32.856 And that one. 00:12:32.856 --> 00:12:33.778 And then-- 00:12:33.778 --> 00:12:36.028 - [Interviewer] One moment. 00:12:40.590 --> 00:12:45.340 - And then, I took these pictures of the park, 00:12:45.340 --> 00:12:46.380 and I did some little drawings, 00:12:46.380 --> 00:12:49.980 and finally, that's really what the painting looks like. 00:12:49.980 --> 00:12:54.030 I used that format, the very exact proportions 00:12:54.030 --> 00:12:55.250 of that photograph. 00:12:55.250 --> 00:12:58.220 I posed the picture, you see, with the three chairs, 00:12:58.220 --> 00:13:02.000 one for me, and I got up to look at the scene 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:03.330 and paint the picture. 00:13:03.330 --> 00:13:04.417 You see, that was the idea. 00:13:04.417 --> 00:13:06.510 And the painting looks very similar to that, 00:13:06.510 --> 00:13:09.480 even the change, the odd change of color 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:11.990 from the trees, the sun. 00:13:11.990 --> 00:13:15.330 I think it's a very beautiful place, that little park there 00:13:15.330 --> 00:13:18.300 with this triangle of trees, 00:13:18.300 --> 00:13:20.803 making it look much longer than it really is. 00:13:21.990 --> 00:13:25.110 These are just other little picture taken there. 00:13:25.110 --> 00:13:27.060 We did drink the waters and everything. 00:13:27.060 --> 00:13:28.020 It was nice. 00:13:28.020 --> 00:13:29.093 We got cured. 00:13:32.270 --> 00:13:35.773 And I think that's a nice picture of Ossie and Peter there, 00:13:37.860 --> 00:13:38.693 in that one there. 00:13:38.693 --> 00:13:40.570 I think is lovely, these trees. 00:13:40.570 --> 00:13:42.760 I keep thinking of painting those again, 00:13:42.760 --> 00:13:45.763 but I've not got round to it. 00:13:52.100 --> 00:13:54.580 There's a lovely picture of them at-- 00:13:54.580 --> 00:13:56.920 Yeah, I think that's a nice photograph. 00:13:56.920 --> 00:13:57.910 I thought of painting that. 00:13:57.910 --> 00:14:01.540 He looks as though he's just trying to make 00:14:01.540 --> 00:14:05.310 some contact with him, really, isn't it, a little. 00:14:06.590 --> 00:14:11.590 She designs all the fabrics for Ossie's clothes, really. 00:14:12.820 --> 00:14:13.653 She ... 00:14:16.238 --> 00:14:18.087 I think she's terribly talented. 00:14:18.087 --> 00:14:20.620 And for a girl, I think she's terribly witty 00:14:20.620 --> 00:14:22.453 as well, very witty. 00:14:23.900 --> 00:14:28.067 The only reason, actually, I started the painting was that 00:14:30.700 --> 00:14:33.483 I'd drawn them a number of times, really. 00:14:34.760 --> 00:14:38.023 I'd done a lot of drawings of ... 00:14:41.400 --> 00:14:42.683 both Ossie and Celia. 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:48.390 I just thought they would make 00:14:48.390 --> 00:14:51.070 a rather pretty picture, you see. 00:14:56.032 --> 00:14:58.449 (chattering) 00:15:04.310 --> 00:15:06.273 Well she just makes very pretty ... 00:15:09.030 --> 00:15:09.893 shirt. 00:15:13.443 --> 00:15:16.797 I'll get the shirt and I'll show you. 00:15:24.939 --> 00:15:26.772 This is Celia's shirt. 00:15:30.271 --> 00:15:31.604 She made for me. 00:16:00.470 --> 00:16:03.487 Maybe I should wear it while I'm painting. 00:16:12.602 --> 00:16:15.269 (phone ringing) 00:16:40.431 --> 00:16:42.848 (chattering) 00:18:53.813 --> 00:18:56.468 - Kind of faint, isn't it? 00:18:56.468 --> 00:18:57.718 - [David] Yeah. 00:19:01.392 --> 00:19:02.656 Colors-- 00:19:02.656 --> 00:19:04.573 - [Celia] That changed color just here, 00:19:04.573 --> 00:19:06.740 but do you get that right? 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:09.607 - [David] Let me look. 00:19:09.607 --> 00:19:10.918 - [Celia] That purpley color 00:19:10.918 --> 00:19:12.513 looks very nice in here, doesn't it? 00:19:12.513 --> 00:19:13.680 - Yeah, I see. 00:20:44.840 --> 00:20:49.650 Well that top picture actually was taken here in London. 00:20:49.650 --> 00:20:52.380 And the painting is still unfinished. 00:20:52.380 --> 00:20:55.050 And I brought the painting back from Berkeley. 00:20:55.050 --> 00:20:58.050 I'd started it in Berkeley, California, 00:20:58.050 --> 00:20:59.487 and I was going to finish it here. 00:20:59.487 --> 00:21:03.090 You can see the face isn't in and the hand. 00:21:03.090 --> 00:21:05.940 And these were taken by a friend of mine, still actually. 00:21:07.040 --> 00:21:09.140 I got Peter to pose again. 00:21:09.140 --> 00:21:11.927 You can see this is being used for that, 00:21:11.927 --> 00:21:15.080 and the hand and things, those details. 00:21:15.080 --> 00:21:18.610 I think on the next page there are details. 00:21:18.610 --> 00:21:19.660 Oh, no, there aren't. 00:21:20.860 --> 00:21:24.900 This boy actually took the photographs for me. 00:21:24.900 --> 00:21:29.900 Although I had actually bought a camera then, so I'd ... 00:21:30.050 --> 00:21:33.050 I think on the next page, you see I was taking. 00:21:33.050 --> 00:21:36.220 These were taken for the portrait 00:21:36.220 --> 00:21:37.920 I was doing of Patrick Procktor, 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:40.253 which I was also painting at the same time. 00:21:41.498 --> 00:21:43.040 That's just a profile. 00:21:43.040 --> 00:21:47.023 I think I used that in the picture. 00:21:47.860 --> 00:21:50.210 These are just paintings, I mean photographs 00:21:50.210 --> 00:21:51.623 of Peter I took here. 00:21:53.280 --> 00:21:57.550 Well, these are photographs taken in front of 00:21:57.550 --> 00:21:59.660 the painting I was doing of Patrick Procktor 00:21:59.660 --> 00:22:01.260 before the figure is put in. 00:22:01.260 --> 00:22:04.543 You can just see these actually are windows in a painting. 00:22:09.520 --> 00:22:10.910 This is a trip. 00:22:10.910 --> 00:22:13.810 I decided to do the fairy tales, 00:22:13.810 --> 00:22:15.570 illustrate Grimm's fairytales. 00:22:15.570 --> 00:22:16.940 Well, I decided a long time ago, 00:22:16.940 --> 00:22:19.840 and I just thought I'd take a trip down the Rhine 00:22:19.840 --> 00:22:22.550 and look at all the castles, the fairytale castles, 00:22:22.550 --> 00:22:23.860 and this is just on the way. 00:22:23.860 --> 00:22:28.160 We went to Colmar first to see the Isenheim Altarpiece, 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:31.517 which I think is like the greatest painting in the world. 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:35.260 And then I just took photographs, as you can see, 00:22:35.260 --> 00:22:38.393 of castles on the Rhine, really, just to get ... 00:22:40.210 --> 00:22:41.103 some ... 00:22:42.270 --> 00:22:46.850 mood and information for the fairy stories. 00:22:46.850 --> 00:22:49.750 I mean, they're marvelous castles, actually, all the time. 00:22:51.590 --> 00:22:53.190 It's a beautiful trip, isn't it? 00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:56.440 I did a painting, actually, 00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:00.230 I did a painting of this from that photograph. 00:23:00.230 --> 00:23:02.780 I just thought that was so nice, and the little castle, 00:23:02.780 --> 00:23:05.403 it's not too grand a castle. 00:23:06.770 --> 00:23:08.573 There's something about it. 00:23:09.719 --> 00:23:11.700 And I made a painting of it, actually. 00:23:11.700 --> 00:23:15.503 I decided to do these because I like fairy stories. 00:23:17.690 --> 00:23:20.670 I'd done some etchings from fairy stories 00:23:20.670 --> 00:23:23.450 about eight years ago, nine years ago, 00:23:23.450 --> 00:23:25.690 and I finally decided to do a book. 00:23:25.690 --> 00:23:28.840 And I originally wanted to do 12 stories, 00:23:28.840 --> 00:23:30.930 and finally I finished up only with six 00:23:30.930 --> 00:23:33.687 because I got carried away with the illustration. 00:23:33.687 --> 00:23:37.990 And this is a story about a princess who lived in a castle 00:23:37.990 --> 00:23:39.660 and she could see everything 00:23:39.660 --> 00:23:42.620 through her windows, 12 windows. 00:23:42.620 --> 00:23:44.500 Nothing could hide from her. 00:23:44.500 --> 00:23:46.083 And really, the story, as you know, actually, 00:23:46.083 --> 00:23:49.510 it's just about a boy who, he hides in an egg first. 00:23:49.510 --> 00:23:52.410 'cause then he can marry her, you see, and become the king. 00:23:52.410 --> 00:23:56.170 Then he hides in a fish, and she always finds him. 00:23:56.170 --> 00:23:59.640 But in the story, I kind of altered the story 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:03.203 a tiny bit in my illustration, because then the ... 00:24:04.150 --> 00:24:07.330 In the story, the boy changes into a little sea hare, 00:24:07.330 --> 00:24:09.754 which I have no idea what it's like. 00:24:09.754 --> 00:24:11.453 It's a mythical beast, I think. 00:24:12.970 --> 00:24:15.760 He hides in her hair, so that when she looks 00:24:15.760 --> 00:24:18.850 through the window, where supposedly she can see everything, 00:24:18.850 --> 00:24:21.733 she cannot see him, because not one is a mirror. 00:24:23.140 --> 00:24:26.550 So I interpreted the story a little, really like, 00:24:26.550 --> 00:24:29.790 it's really her desire for a child or something. 00:24:29.790 --> 00:24:33.810 So I put the boy hiding inside of her, 00:24:33.810 --> 00:24:35.480 which is what the story is about, 00:24:35.480 --> 00:24:38.943 at least the boy is hiding in her hair, and it's her. 00:24:40.130 --> 00:24:43.297 Occasionally I embellish the stories a little bit. 00:24:44.330 --> 00:24:47.480 That's rapunzel growing in the garden. 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:49.940 That's just totally invented, 'cause I, again, 00:24:49.940 --> 00:24:53.290 I couldn't even find a picture of what Rapunzel looked like. 00:24:53.290 --> 00:24:55.050 In English it's called rampion. 00:24:55.050 --> 00:24:56.020 I found that out. 00:24:56.020 --> 00:25:00.090 But it's a little green salad something, isn't it? 00:25:00.090 --> 00:25:00.923 You eat it. 00:25:00.923 --> 00:25:02.673 But I don't know ... 00:25:02.673 --> 00:25:04.273 So I made it up and there it is. 00:25:05.250 --> 00:25:07.610 The story, this story I didn't alter much 00:25:07.610 --> 00:25:10.090 other than the fact that the witch, 00:25:10.090 --> 00:25:14.250 the wicked witch, and the enchantress she's called in here, 00:25:14.250 --> 00:25:18.910 wants the child, she wants to steal the child from them. 00:25:19.930 --> 00:25:23.090 So I assumed that, if she wanted to steal a child, 00:25:23.090 --> 00:25:26.590 it was because she was so old and ugly 00:25:26.590 --> 00:25:28.250 that no man would go to bed with her, 00:25:28.250 --> 00:25:31.520 so she had to steal a child because she couldn't have one. 00:25:31.520 --> 00:25:34.535 So really it was like a virgin and child, you see, 00:25:34.535 --> 00:25:37.810 and that's what that is, it's a virgin and child, 00:25:37.810 --> 00:25:41.840 but it's done from a Hieronymus Bosch Madonna, 00:25:41.840 --> 00:25:43.510 but the face, of course, is altered. 00:25:43.510 --> 00:25:44.727 I had to make her look ugly. 00:25:44.727 --> 00:25:47.183 The little trees are done from Leonardo da Vinci. 00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:51.600 And there's Rapunzel with all the long her. 00:25:51.600 --> 00:25:53.450 She has the long hair, and that's how she ... 00:25:53.450 --> 00:25:55.490 The tower, she lets the hair out of the tower, 00:25:55.490 --> 00:25:57.440 and the old witch climbs up, 00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:00.120 And the prince comes to save her in the end. 00:26:00.120 --> 00:26:02.770 And there's the prince and the bit of tower there, 00:26:02.770 --> 00:26:03.913 and the hair down there. 00:26:03.913 --> 00:26:05.930 And that's done from Uccello. 00:26:05.930 --> 00:26:09.180 It's a detail from a little painting of Uccello 00:26:09.180 --> 00:26:12.130 in the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford. 00:26:12.130 --> 00:26:14.360 Oh, this is the story of Rumpelstiltskin, 00:26:14.360 --> 00:26:16.470 who changes straw in o gold, 00:26:16.470 --> 00:26:19.020 so the straw becomes gold here. 00:26:23.610 --> 00:26:25.670 There's a room full of straw 00:26:25.670 --> 00:26:27.463 waiting to be changed into gold. 00:26:28.370 --> 00:26:31.670 And this is called straw on the left, gold on the right. 00:26:31.670 --> 00:26:36.583 It's just to show that straw is very soft and gold is hard. 00:26:40.303 --> 00:26:43.680 And there's Rumpelstiltskin pleading for the child. 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:45.840 Again, he wants the child from the princess 00:26:45.840 --> 00:26:48.410 for making the straw into gold. 00:26:48.410 --> 00:26:51.820 This you might recognize is done from Carpaccio 00:26:51.820 --> 00:26:55.030 that Carpaccio painting of the two ladies on the balcony. 00:26:55.030 --> 00:26:56.600 The head is simpler. 00:26:56.600 --> 00:27:00.400 And then he rides round the fire on a cooking spook, 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:02.843 reciting his name, and the people hear it. 00:27:04.230 --> 00:27:05.560 The last illustration in the book 00:27:05.560 --> 00:27:08.830 is when she finds out his name, he's so annoyed 00:27:08.830 --> 00:27:11.240 he stamps his foot into the ground, 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:14.340 pulls it out with such force he rips it off 00:27:14.340 --> 00:27:16.040 and rips himself apart. 00:27:16.040 --> 00:27:19.283 And here he is all apart, you see, floating about. 00:27:23.080 --> 00:27:24.280 And that's the stories. 00:27:24.280 --> 00:27:26.890 And I hope, actually, to do another six, maybe, 00:27:26.890 --> 00:27:28.403 in two or three years time. 00:27:33.330 --> 00:27:34.930 And there was that church tower 00:27:34.930 --> 00:27:39.930 you might recognize from the picture in the book. 00:27:40.670 --> 00:27:44.060 Oh, those were pictures of Prince Charles playing polo, 00:27:44.060 --> 00:27:47.153 because Time Magazine asked me if I'd do a cover of him. 00:27:50.220 --> 00:27:54.030 I refused at first, and then they really talked me into it, 00:27:54.030 --> 00:27:56.650 much against my own judgment. 00:27:56.650 --> 00:27:57.483 I did a drawing. 00:27:57.483 --> 00:27:58.410 He wouldn't pose. 00:27:58.410 --> 00:28:02.700 I phoned up, and I said, "Would he pose?" 00:28:02.700 --> 00:28:05.137 And somebody said, "Oh, there's a hundred artists 00:28:05.137 --> 00:28:07.840 "waiting to draw Prince Charles." 00:28:07.840 --> 00:28:08.957 I said, "How do you mean? 00:28:08.957 --> 00:28:11.047 "There aren't a hundred artists in England. 00:28:11.047 --> 00:28:12.286 "What are you talking about?" 00:28:12.286 --> 00:28:14.970 They said, "You have to take a place in the queue. 00:28:14.970 --> 00:28:16.430 So in the end I had to do a little drawing 00:28:16.430 --> 00:28:17.870 from a photograph, and he wasn't ... 00:28:17.870 --> 00:28:19.210 I didn't like it at all. 00:28:19.210 --> 00:28:20.897 Time Magazine, in the end, never used it, 00:28:20.897 --> 00:28:25.440 and I shall never do it again. (chuckles) 00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:27.090 I think that's a nice photograph. 00:28:28.374 --> 00:28:31.358 I mean, I think sometimes they can just exist as photographs 00:28:31.358 --> 00:28:36.190 and I'm not really interested all the time in painting. 00:28:36.190 --> 00:28:37.363 And also, this ... 00:28:39.660 --> 00:28:42.866 Once you've got six volumes like this, 00:28:42.866 --> 00:28:46.043 the thing becomes slightly obsessive, 00:28:47.837 --> 00:28:49.330 and you take more and more 00:28:49.330 --> 00:28:51.630 because you want more and more books. 00:28:51.630 --> 00:28:56.420 You tend to want to record more and more. 00:28:56.420 --> 00:28:57.587 That's stuck out. 00:29:02.447 --> 00:29:05.740 Right now I'm think I must go and take lots and lots 00:29:05.740 --> 00:29:08.350 of photographs of all the little shops on Paris tours. 00:29:08.350 --> 00:29:11.170 I must take Mrs. Evans in the grocery shop 00:29:11.170 --> 00:29:15.643 and the dry cleaners, just to make a recording of it. 00:29:17.060 --> 00:29:18.580 Again, this is just friends. 00:29:18.580 --> 00:29:21.620 Oh, this was something I was going to paint and I never did, 00:29:21.620 --> 00:29:23.170 but I might still do it, 00:29:23.170 --> 00:29:25.080 'cause I think it's a rather lovely thing. 00:29:25.080 --> 00:29:28.520 It's a vast room in the art school in Hamburg. 00:29:28.520 --> 00:29:32.395 I went to give a talk there. 00:29:32.395 --> 00:29:36.480 This is a polished floor, a very, very polished floor, 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.400 and they had these windows that looked, 00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:40.600 because the room was quite dark inside, 00:29:40.600 --> 00:29:44.380 they looked like paintings of a landscape, four of them. 00:29:44.380 --> 00:29:48.160 And then this marvelous soft version of it 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:50.640 reflected in the shiny floor. 00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.040 And I thought it would make a nice painting. 00:29:53.040 --> 00:29:54.070 I still do, actually. 00:29:54.070 --> 00:29:56.920 I think, you know, I still might do it next year. 29452

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