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- The first book actually
covers five years,
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because I didn't really
have a camera then,
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I didn't take many pictures,
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I just used an Instomatic camera.
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And then the next five
years is about 15 books.
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That was me, yeah,
before I had blonde hair.
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Just in Long Beach in New York.
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- [Interviewer] Why did
you change your hair color?
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- I was slightly drunk and
I thought it might be nice.
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The thing is that the way they developed,
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the way the book
developed, was originally,
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you see, in 1967 I was cleaning up here
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and I found, again, all the photographs
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from the previous five, six years.
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And I didn't quite know
what to do with them
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and I decided to buy a
photograph album, stick them in.
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And then, just at the same
time, I bought a camera.
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So that's how they began really,
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and that's how they developed.
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I decided to actually buy a
camera and take pictures myself,
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whereas before I'd often ask
people to take pictures for me
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if I wanted a picture of
something, a reference, you see.
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I'd ask a friend to do it,
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and I thought maybe I could take pictures
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just as good as anybody else.
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I think I can actually.
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So this first book is just as, as I say,
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it's just five years.
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It's all squashed in.
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There's not too many pictures,
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and most of them I didn't take, actually,
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as you can see, because
I appeared in them.
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That's Dennis Hopper took
that picture actually.
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That's Henry Geldzahler, and
Andy, and myself, and a friend
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in New York, in Harlem.
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We went to see a television
film Dennis was making.
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These are the first pictures in that,
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when I went to live in California.
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But none of them yet I
actually used for paintings.
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It's later on, I did take
photographs all the time
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for paintings, to use just
for information really.
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I'll turn over quicker till we find some.
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Again, they were never used.
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I mean, really they're
just like holiday snaps,
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you see so far.
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Most of them in this book are, I think.
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Ah yes, this was used for a painting.
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It's the portrait of Nick Wilder
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and I had these photographs
taken, tht's Nick.
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And there's some, actually, of
him taken, stood in his pool.
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This is his swimming pool.
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It was also, it was used
in the painting called
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the Portrait of Nick Wilder,
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and it was also used in a painting I did
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of Peter climbing out
of the swimming pool.
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These are pictures ...
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for ...
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I call it Beverly Hills Housewife here.
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You can see that the painting
and the sculpture there
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if you can remember the picture.
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And just odd details for it again.
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That chair appeared in the painting.
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This is Polaroid
photographs I took of Peter
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for that painting of him clearing out.
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And he didn't actually
pose in a swimming pool;
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he posed on his little car in
the backyard in California.
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Here's Nick as he appears
in the painting, you see.
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Looking like a busy, just looking
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like a marble head
coming out of the water.
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And this is the swimming pool,
just a picture of the pool.
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That's my parents, my
brother and his children.
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They live in Bradford.
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Here we're beginning now with photographs
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for the painting of
Fred and Marsha Weisman.
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It's called American Collectors.
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I took these pictures in a garden.
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This is a little pool house
that is in the painting
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and a Henry Moore sculpture
and a Bill Turnbull sculpture.
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And that's how their faces appear.
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In the garden also they
had this totem poll.
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And I thought, if you look
there, there's a kind of ...
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There's just a little smile. (chuckles)
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And that's their garden again
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with a pice of sculpture in it, and again
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just a detail that was
used in the painting there.
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And these other pictures are
just friends in Los Angeles.
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Again, these are just taken in the street.
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I think that's a nice picture.
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In California.
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Unfortunately in black
and white, as you can see.
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Oh, now here these are the start--
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These were, this, as
you can see is the room
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that I painted Christopher Issherwood in
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and I got them to sit.
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I made drawings, of course,
that are drawing as well.
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This looks pretty much like
the head in the painting.
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It was facing this way.
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Actually the painting
is more done from life
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than from those pictures, actually.
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This is the still life that I set up.
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I set up and photographed it,
you see, here in the painting.
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It goes to show you, often some people
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read a lot more into
things than is intended.
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I mean, I set the still
life up to arrange it
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so that light was falling
on it and everything.
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Don, because Don is sat in this chair
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and there are four books piled
there and only three there,
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they said I was hinting that
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perhaps Don wasn't as
well read as Christopher,
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so he had to read some more books.
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But anyway, I mean, it was just balance,
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just a question in a
way of kind of balance.
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That's a rather pretty boy in Hollywood.
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- [Interviewer] What made
you go to California?
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- Well I'd lived in California before.
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I always liked it then.
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I still liked it very much then, actually.
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It was sunny and sexy and everything.
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This is Richard Smith and the view ...
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You can just see the view.
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I did a painting, a big painting,
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a view from his window at Corona del Mar.
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This is Corona del Mar, and you can just
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kind of recognize it if
you see the painting.
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And this house is here, you
see, looking out across there.
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That's nice.
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There are quite a number
of these swimming pools,
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and I did paint water from
these a lot, looking at them.
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You see, it's rather beautiful.
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I think the combination of blue and pink
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is a terrific color, really.
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It's a nice combination.
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And I also made a painting
exactly from that photograph,
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almost ...
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I didn't alter anything in it.
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I just tried to copy it,
'cause I took that photograph
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early in the morning, and I
was rather pleased with it.
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I thought it was beautiful.
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And then, there's ...
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Well, then you just get
lots and lots of pages.
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This is Ossie.
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And that's Celia.
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This is Celia, who is in the painting.
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These are photographs of
Ossie and Celia's wedding,
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which I took, mostly.
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And that's just Ossie's sister.
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She took the other pictures.
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And she's wearing this dress
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that I did a picture of her in ...
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in an etching.
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'Cause she's quite pregnant,
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and it looks very
beautiful in that picture.
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These are just taken
outside that registry office
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you see there.
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It does look pretty.
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Then we came back in, had
a bottle of champagne,
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and took these pictures.
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It was nice.
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'Cause she was just going
to have a baby, you see,
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so Ossie married here.
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(chattering)
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(laughing)
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Oh yeah, this is, oh, that's when Celia
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was in hospital going
about to have the baby,
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but there's some pictures
up here that start with ...
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I'd decided I'd been in the summer in ...
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Earlier in the summer I'd been in Vichy,
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and I decided to do a
painting of the park there,
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so we went back to Vichy.
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I took Ossie, and Peter came with us.
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And this is just Paris.
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This is Vichy, just photographs
of another section of it.
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But there's ...
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These are rather nice.
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This is Peter reading Proust in the hotel.
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A rather pretty hotel.
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I thought that was a lovely picture.
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And that one.
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And that one.
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And then--
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- [Interviewer] One moment.
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- And then, I took these
pictures of the park,
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and I did some little drawings,
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and finally, that's really
what the painting looks like.
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I used that format, the
very exact proportions
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of that photograph.
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I posed the picture, you
see, with the three chairs,
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one for me, and I got
up to look at the scene
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and paint the picture.
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You see, that was the idea.
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And the painting looks
very similar to that,
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even the change, the odd change of color
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from the trees, the sun.
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I think it's a very beautiful
place, that little park there
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with this triangle of trees,
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making it look much
longer than it really is.
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These are just other
little picture taken there.
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We did drink the waters and everything.
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It was nice.
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We got cured.
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And I think that's a nice
picture of Ossie and Peter there,
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in that one there.
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I think is lovely, these trees.
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I keep thinking of painting those again,
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but I've not got round to it.
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There's a lovely picture of them at--
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Yeah, I think that's a nice photograph.
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I thought of painting that.
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He looks as though he's
just trying to make
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some contact with him,
really, isn't it, a little.
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She designs all the fabrics
for Ossie's clothes, really.
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She ...
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I think she's terribly talented.
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And for a girl, I think
she's terribly witty
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as well, very witty.
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The only reason, actually, I
started the painting was that
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I'd drawn them a number of times, really.
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I'd done a lot of drawings of ...
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both Ossie and Celia.
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I just thought they would make
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a rather pretty picture, you see.
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(chattering)
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Well she just makes very pretty ...
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shirt.
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I'll get the shirt and I'll show you.
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This is Celia's shirt.
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She made for me.
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Maybe I should wear it while I'm painting.
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(phone ringing)
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(chattering)
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- Kind of faint, isn't it?
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- [David] Yeah.
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Colors--
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- [Celia] That changed color just here,
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but do you get that right?
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- [David] Let me look.
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- [Celia] That purpley color
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looks very nice in here, doesn't it?
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- Yeah, I see.
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Well that top picture actually
was taken here in London.
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And the painting is still unfinished.
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And I brought the painting
back from Berkeley.
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I'd started it in Berkeley, California,
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and I was going to finish it here.
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You can see the face
isn't in and the hand.
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And these were taken by a
friend of mine, still actually.
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I got Peter to pose again.
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You can see this is being used for that,
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and the hand and things, those details.
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I think on the next
page there are details.
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Oh, no, there aren't.
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This boy actually took
the photographs for me.
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Although I had actually bought
a camera then, so I'd ...
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I think on the next page,
you see I was taking.
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These were taken for the portrait
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I was doing of Patrick Procktor,
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which I was also painting
at the same time.
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That's just a profile.
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I think I used that in the picture.
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These are just paintings,
I mean photographs
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of Peter I took here.
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Well, these are photographs
taken in front of
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the painting I was doing
of Patrick Procktor
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before the figure is put in.
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You can just see these actually
are windows in a painting.
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This is a trip.
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I decided to do the fairy tales,
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illustrate Grimm's fairytales.
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Well, I decided a long time ago,
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and I just thought I'd
take a trip down the Rhine
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and look at all the castles,
the fairytale castles,
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and this is just on the way.
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We went to Colmar first to
see the Isenheim Altarpiece,
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which I think is like the
greatest painting in the world.
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And then I just took
photographs, as you can see,
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of castles on the Rhine,
really, just to get ...
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some ...
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mood and information
for the fairy stories.
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I mean, they're marvelous
castles, actually, all the time.
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It's a beautiful trip, isn't it?
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I did a painting, actually,
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I did a painting of this
from that photograph.
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I just thought that was so
nice, and the little castle,
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it's not too grand a castle.
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There's something about it.
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And I made a painting of it, actually.
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I decided to do these
because I like fairy stories.
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I'd done some etchings from fairy stories
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about eight years ago, nine years ago,
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and I finally decided to do a book.
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And I originally wanted to do 12 stories,
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and finally I finished up only with six
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because I got carried away
with the illustration.
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And this is a story about a
princess who lived in a castle
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and she could see everything
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through her windows, 12 windows.
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Nothing could hide from her.
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And really, the story,
as you know, actually,
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it's just about a boy who,
he hides in an egg first.
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'cause then he can marry her,
you see, and become the king.
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Then he hides in a fish,
and she always finds him.
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But in the story, I kind
of altered the story
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a tiny bit in my illustration,
because then the ...
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In the story, the boy changes
into a little sea hare,
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which I have no idea what it's like.
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It's a mythical beast, I think.
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He hides in her hair,
so that when she looks
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through the window, where
supposedly she can see everything,
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she cannot see him, because
not one is a mirror.
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So I interpreted the story
a little, really like,
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it's really her desire
for a child or something.
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So I put the boy hiding inside of her,
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which is what the story is about,
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at least the boy is hiding
in her hair, and it's her.
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Occasionally I embellish
the stories a little bit.
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That's rapunzel growing in the garden.
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That's just totally
invented, 'cause I, again,
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I couldn't even find a picture
of what Rapunzel looked like.
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In English it's called rampion.
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I found that out.
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But it's a little green
salad something, isn't it?
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You eat it.
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But I don't know ...
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So I made it up and there it is.
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The story, this story I didn't alter much
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other than the fact that the witch,
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the wicked witch, and the
enchantress she's called in here,
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wants the child, she wants
to steal the child from them.
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So I assumed that, if she
wanted to steal a child,
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it was because she was so old and ugly
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that no man would go to bed with her,
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so she had to steal a child
because she couldn't have one.
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So really it was like a
virgin and child, you see,
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and that's what that is,
it's a virgin and child,
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but it's done from a
Hieronymus Bosch Madonna,
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but the face, of course, is altered.
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I had to make her look ugly.
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The little trees are done
from Leonardo da Vinci.
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And there's Rapunzel
with all the long her.
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She has the long hair,
and that's how she ...
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The tower, she lets the
hair out of the tower,
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and the old witch climbs up,
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And the prince comes
to save her in the end.
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And there's the prince and
the bit of tower there,
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and the hair down there.
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And that's done from Uccello.
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It's a detail from a
little painting of Uccello
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in the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford.
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Oh, this is the story of Rumpelstiltskin,
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who changes straw in o gold,
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so the straw becomes gold here.
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There's a room full of straw
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waiting to be changed into gold.
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And this is called straw on
the left, gold on the right.
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It's just to show that straw
is very soft and gold is hard.
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And there's Rumpelstiltskin
pleading for the child.
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Again, he wants the
child from the princess
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for making the straw into gold.
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This you might recognize
is done from Carpaccio
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that Carpaccio painting of
the two ladies on the balcony.
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The head is simpler.
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And then he rides round the
fire on a cooking spook,
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reciting his name, and the people hear it.
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The last illustration in the book
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is when she finds out
his name, he's so annoyed
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he stamps his foot into the ground,
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pulls it out with such
force he rips it off
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and rips himself apart.
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And here he is all apart,
you see, floating about.
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And that's the stories.
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And I hope, actually, to
do another six, maybe,
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in two or three years time.
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And there was that church tower
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you might recognize from
the picture in the book.
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Oh, those were pictures of
Prince Charles playing polo,
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because Time Magazine asked
me if I'd do a cover of him.
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I refused at first, and then
they really talked me into it,
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much against my own judgment.
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I did a drawing.
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He wouldn't pose.
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I phoned up, and I said, "Would he pose?"
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And somebody said, "Oh,
there's a hundred artists
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"waiting to draw Prince Charles."
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I said, "How do you mean?
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"There aren't a hundred
artists in England.
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"What are you talking about?"
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They said, "You have to
take a place in the queue.
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So in the end I had to do a little drawing
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from a photograph, and he wasn't ...
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I didn't like it at all.
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Time Magazine, in the end, never used it,
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and I shall never do it again. (chuckles)
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I think that's a nice photograph.
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I mean, I think sometimes they
can just exist as photographs
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and I'm not really interested
all the time in painting.
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And also, this ...
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Once you've got six volumes like this,
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the thing becomes slightly obsessive,
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and you take more and more
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because you want more and more books.
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You tend to want to record more and more.
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That's stuck out.
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Right now I'm think I must
go and take lots and lots
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of photographs of all the
little shops on Paris tours.
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I must take Mrs. Evans in the grocery shop
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and the dry cleaners, just
to make a recording of it.
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Again, this is just friends.
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Oh, this was something I was
going to paint and I never did,
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but I might still do it,
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'cause I think it's a rather lovely thing.
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It's a vast room in the
art school in Hamburg.
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I went to give a talk there.
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This is a polished floor, a
very, very polished floor,
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and they had these windows that looked,
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because the room was quite dark inside,
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they looked like paintings
of a landscape, four of them.
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And then this marvelous soft version of it
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reflected in the shiny floor.
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And I thought it would
make a nice painting.
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I still do, actually.
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I think, you know, I still
might do it next year.
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