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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:20,503 --> 00:00:24,127 A cult film to me is a film of a certain genre 2 00:00:24,162 --> 00:00:27,613 that has a hard-core following of fans. 3 00:00:27,648 --> 00:00:30,064 The more you see it, the more you see in it. 4 00:00:30,099 --> 00:00:31,203 It becomes like a friend. 5 00:00:31,238 --> 00:00:32,653 Even the bad parts of the movie, 6 00:00:32,687 --> 00:00:33,757 they forgive it. 7 00:00:33,792 --> 00:00:35,863 That movie is pretty rocking, 8 00:00:35,897 --> 00:00:37,106 but, God, nobody knows about it. 9 00:00:37,140 --> 00:00:40,040 My own criteria is just my own experience. 10 00:00:40,074 --> 00:00:41,765 A movie that fell through the cracks. 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:43,353 It has to be an accident. 12 00:00:43,388 --> 00:00:45,355 It's a genius, brilliant movie. 13 00:00:45,390 --> 00:00:48,082 You think it's much, much better than it is. 14 00:00:48,117 --> 00:00:49,256 We know it when we see it. 15 00:00:49,290 --> 00:00:50,257 That's what makes it interesting. 16 00:00:50,291 --> 00:00:51,568 Everybody's is different. 17 00:00:51,603 --> 00:00:53,329 If people are able to look at the film 18 00:00:53,363 --> 00:00:55,952 and you hear them say the lines. 19 00:00:55,986 --> 00:00:57,091 It strikes a chord. 20 00:00:57,126 --> 00:00:58,575 I think a cult film is something 21 00:00:58,610 --> 00:01:00,232 that people think is something they've discovered 22 00:01:00,267 --> 00:01:01,509 and they like. 23 00:01:01,544 --> 00:01:03,787 It comes at you in so many different ways. 24 00:01:03,822 --> 00:01:05,513 Usually it's an art film. 25 00:01:05,548 --> 00:01:08,344 Profanity, murder, bullets, wounds. 26 00:01:08,378 --> 00:01:09,448 It's just funny. 27 00:01:09,483 --> 00:01:11,416 All these films are really good. 28 00:01:11,450 --> 00:01:13,073 They're just misunderstood. 29 00:01:13,107 --> 00:01:14,695 Some people would be like, well, 30 00:01:14,729 --> 00:01:18,008 why don't you just let the movie speak for itself and shut up? 31 00:01:18,043 --> 00:01:19,113 Fuck you. 32 00:01:19,148 --> 00:01:20,459 Every movie is a cult film. 33 00:01:20,494 --> 00:01:22,496 It is the greatest cult film of all time. 34 00:01:22,530 --> 00:01:28,467 Sexually repressed couple murders swingers and eats them. 35 00:01:28,502 --> 00:01:30,504 That'll make them go see it. 36 00:01:30,538 --> 00:01:32,437 And then came the "Time Warp." 37 00:02:03,433 --> 00:02:06,022 Why don't we talk about what's a cult film. 38 00:02:06,056 --> 00:02:07,679 I think in L.A., it is a word 39 00:02:07,713 --> 00:02:09,612 I would never say when I'm trying to get a deal. 40 00:02:09,646 --> 00:02:12,891 Because to Hollywood executives, "cult film" means 41 00:02:12,925 --> 00:02:14,444 that 20 people that were smarter than them liked it 42 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:15,928 and it lost a lot of money. 43 00:02:15,963 --> 00:02:17,551 - That's right. - That's what a cult movie is. 44 00:02:17,585 --> 00:02:19,139 - Never say that word. - That's very true, 45 00:02:19,173 --> 00:02:22,072 And I don't think anybody starts out to make a cult film. 46 00:02:22,107 --> 00:02:23,798 I was thinking of like cult movies 47 00:02:23,833 --> 00:02:26,180 as you need fellow cultists 48 00:02:26,215 --> 00:02:28,527 to introduce you to something. 49 00:02:28,562 --> 00:02:30,219 Like you need to know about this. 50 00:02:30,253 --> 00:02:32,082 Someone needs to turn you on to it. 51 00:02:32,117 --> 00:02:34,257 And with those movies came out, there was no video. 52 00:02:34,292 --> 00:02:36,570 A cult move... I guess a midnight movie 53 00:02:36,604 --> 00:02:38,365 that was a hit was by definition... 54 00:02:38,399 --> 00:02:40,884 that's sort of what started that in a way. 55 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:41,989 And then they showed them. 56 00:02:42,023 --> 00:02:43,508 Then it got a whole new reputation 57 00:02:43,542 --> 00:02:44,957 if it played at midnight. 58 00:02:44,992 --> 00:02:46,131 "Rocky Horror Picture Show" 59 00:02:46,166 --> 00:02:48,409 was obviously a movie that nobody got, 60 00:02:48,444 --> 00:02:49,824 nobody understood when it was new. 61 00:02:49,859 --> 00:02:52,068 And then all of a sudden, it became I guess 62 00:02:52,102 --> 00:02:53,621 probably the most successful cult film. 63 00:02:53,656 --> 00:02:55,761 - Yes, definitely. - In terms of midnight shows. 64 00:02:55,796 --> 00:02:58,592 It got the people who were coming and dressing up 65 00:02:58,626 --> 00:03:00,249 and talking to the screen and all that kind of stuff, 66 00:03:00,283 --> 00:03:02,009 and that phenomenon is still going on. 67 00:03:02,043 --> 00:03:04,977 I can't think of another movie that has audience participation. 68 00:03:05,012 --> 00:03:06,427 Or where you were allowed to, 69 00:03:06,462 --> 00:03:09,050 because before, the ushers would come, shut up, you know. 70 00:03:09,085 --> 00:03:10,293 And I would complain. 71 00:03:10,328 --> 00:03:11,398 Now there's audience participation, 72 00:03:11,432 --> 00:03:12,744 people talking on their phone, 73 00:03:12,778 --> 00:03:15,264 which makes me crazy when I go to movies, right? 74 00:03:15,298 --> 00:03:17,266 But the audience participation is encouraged, 75 00:03:17,300 --> 00:03:18,577 but when that movie was made, 76 00:03:18,612 --> 00:03:19,992 they didn't know that was going to happen. 77 00:03:20,027 --> 00:03:22,823 It came out as a regular Hollywood movie and failed. 78 00:03:22,857 --> 00:03:26,758 And then this started. Amazingly it caught on. 79 00:03:26,792 --> 00:03:29,209 And their parents take them to it. 80 00:03:29,243 --> 00:03:31,141 That's the thing. It's safe. 81 00:03:31,176 --> 00:03:32,281 It's a generational thing. 82 00:03:32,315 --> 00:03:33,558 If your kid is in "Rocky Horror," 83 00:03:33,592 --> 00:03:35,422 you know where they are. 84 00:03:35,456 --> 00:03:37,493 There with gay people. It's all right, you know? 85 00:03:37,527 --> 00:03:41,773 It's a safe place to drop off your kids on Friday night. 86 00:03:41,807 --> 00:03:43,809 Yes, I never knew what a cult film was 87 00:03:43,844 --> 00:03:46,571 till we became one, because there wasn't one. 88 00:03:50,022 --> 00:03:52,749 If I had to pick a film, that's the cult film. 89 00:03:52,784 --> 00:03:56,374 It ran for maybe 20 years at TLA. 90 00:03:56,408 --> 00:03:58,272 The plot of "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" 91 00:03:58,307 --> 00:03:59,998 is that a lost All-American couple 92 00:04:00,032 --> 00:04:04,658 ends up at the doorstep of a mad scientist. 93 00:04:04,692 --> 00:04:06,073 I wonder if you might help us. 94 00:04:06,107 --> 00:04:08,731 You see, our car broke down a few miles up the road. 95 00:04:08,765 --> 00:04:10,146 And seek help. 96 00:04:10,180 --> 00:04:11,423 Brad, I'm frightened. 97 00:04:11,458 --> 00:04:13,045 What kind of a place is this? 98 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,324 He embraces them 99 00:04:15,358 --> 00:04:18,603 and lets them watch him making his perfect man. 100 00:04:18,637 --> 00:04:20,467 And there is this kind of shock, 101 00:04:20,501 --> 00:04:21,813 especially when you first see it. 102 00:04:21,847 --> 00:04:28,371 Just this transvestite with no fear, no shame. 103 00:04:28,406 --> 00:04:30,477 It really is like a rock star. 104 00:04:45,457 --> 00:04:46,734 The reason people think 105 00:04:46,769 --> 00:04:49,047 it's the greatest cult movie of all time 106 00:04:49,081 --> 00:04:51,601 is because it's their movie. They own it. 107 00:04:51,636 --> 00:04:54,880 It's as if they make it every night they go to the theater. 108 00:04:54,915 --> 00:04:56,710 It was the first film that the audience 109 00:04:56,744 --> 00:04:59,229 started talking back to the screen. 110 00:04:59,264 --> 00:05:00,748 How very dare they. 111 00:05:00,783 --> 00:05:02,509 And then people started dressing up. 112 00:05:02,543 --> 00:05:04,165 Because that's what people do, 113 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,720 I mean who were going to the movies at midnight on Friday. 114 00:05:06,754 --> 00:05:09,550 And remember, it was 1975 or '76, 115 00:05:09,585 --> 00:05:12,035 so most of them were chemically altered. 116 00:05:12,070 --> 00:05:13,761 So we have now Patricia Quinn 117 00:05:13,796 --> 00:05:17,282 teaching us how to do the Time Warp. Right. 118 00:05:17,317 --> 00:05:19,767 It's just a jump to the left 119 00:05:19,802 --> 00:05:24,047 and then a step to the ri-ah-ah-ah-ah-right 120 00:05:24,082 --> 00:05:27,085 with your hands on your hips. 121 00:05:27,119 --> 00:05:30,640 I say, would you get to it, give it a good thrust. 122 00:05:41,410 --> 00:05:44,171 "Rocky Horror" paid our rent all the time. 123 00:05:44,205 --> 00:05:47,692 We would have like 30 people in for a 9:30 screening, 124 00:05:47,726 --> 00:05:50,695 415 people in for the midnight screening. 125 00:05:50,729 --> 00:05:52,800 It was something... for years 126 00:05:52,835 --> 00:05:54,250 we could always count on that money. 127 00:05:54,284 --> 00:05:56,425 It has amazing music. 128 00:05:56,459 --> 00:05:59,151 I mean, there are like nine songs in "Rocky Horror" 129 00:05:59,186 --> 00:06:00,256 that are all standouts and catchy 130 00:06:00,290 --> 00:06:01,602 and you want to sing them. 131 00:06:07,470 --> 00:06:09,334 So my parents song is "Science Fiction" 132 00:06:09,369 --> 00:06:11,405 because my dad used to sing it to me when I was a baby. 133 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,545 He got me into "Rocky" when I was three. 134 00:06:23,866 --> 00:06:25,902 If I have one favorite song, probably "Dammit, Janet." 135 00:06:30,769 --> 00:06:35,222 Jim Sharman, the director, deserves so much credit. 136 00:06:35,256 --> 00:06:36,982 It was a very difficult shoot. 137 00:06:37,017 --> 00:06:38,501 It was cold, it was wet. 138 00:06:38,536 --> 00:06:40,400 Susan came home with pneumonia. 139 00:06:40,434 --> 00:06:42,988 Look, I'm cold, I'm wet, and I'm just plain scared. 140 00:06:43,023 --> 00:06:45,439 It seemed to go very smoothly to me. 141 00:06:45,474 --> 00:06:47,855 There weren't any toilets on the set. 142 00:06:47,890 --> 00:06:50,479 And that the most wonderful thing was Tim Curry, 143 00:06:50,513 --> 00:06:53,136 to see him create that character. 144 00:06:53,171 --> 00:06:57,382 And Tim Curry didn't get it till the first rehearsal 145 00:06:57,417 --> 00:06:58,935 when he put on the high heels. 146 00:06:58,970 --> 00:07:04,320 And the minute he put on the shoes, he... 147 00:07:04,354 --> 00:07:05,597 It's hard to imagine anyone 148 00:07:05,632 --> 00:07:08,013 other than Tim Curry in that role. 149 00:07:08,048 --> 00:07:11,431 Tim appealed sexually to men and women. 150 00:07:11,465 --> 00:07:13,778 That was a very key detail. 151 00:07:13,812 --> 00:07:19,162 Come up to the lab and see what's on the slab. 152 00:07:19,197 --> 00:07:20,888 Tim Curry is a friend, 153 00:07:20,923 --> 00:07:24,133 and we went to see it at the height of all that. 154 00:07:24,167 --> 00:07:26,446 He said, let's go down to the Waverly. 155 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:27,792 There was a whole line, 156 00:07:27,826 --> 00:07:30,450 and he said, let's just go to the box office. 157 00:07:30,484 --> 00:07:31,727 He went to the box office, 158 00:07:31,761 --> 00:07:33,867 and he said, good evening, I'm Tim Curry. 159 00:07:33,901 --> 00:07:36,904 And she turned and she said, 160 00:07:36,939 --> 00:07:39,666 Morris, there's another Tim Curry. 161 00:07:39,700 --> 00:07:41,495 She said, nah, he's not. Ignore him. 162 00:07:41,530 --> 00:07:44,809 So to put his passport... gave her the passport. 163 00:07:44,843 --> 00:07:46,017 Looks at the passport and said, 164 00:07:46,051 --> 00:07:48,295 Morris, this one's got a passport. 165 00:07:48,329 --> 00:07:52,644 So Morris finally came out from behind the cage 166 00:07:52,679 --> 00:07:56,027 and looked and said, oh, shit, you're Tim Curry. 167 00:07:56,061 --> 00:07:59,513 And meanwhile, there are like three Frank-N-Furters 168 00:07:59,548 --> 00:08:03,206 in line behind going, it's Tim Curry. 169 00:08:03,241 --> 00:08:05,485 So it was pre-selfies, 170 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:06,969 so, you know, nobody could do anything. 171 00:08:07,003 --> 00:08:10,213 But we went in and they let us in for free 172 00:08:10,248 --> 00:08:11,560 to watch the thing. 173 00:08:11,594 --> 00:08:15,356 And he said, well, so much for my charisma. 174 00:08:15,391 --> 00:08:16,565 With "Rocky Horror Picture Show," 175 00:08:16,599 --> 00:08:20,603 they would throw toast and especially rice 176 00:08:20,638 --> 00:08:22,260 and all kinds of things in the theater. 177 00:08:22,294 --> 00:08:26,298 And we would not clean the theater until the morning, 178 00:08:26,333 --> 00:08:29,232 and during that time, 179 00:08:29,267 --> 00:08:32,546 we developed a really bad mouse infestation 180 00:08:32,581 --> 00:08:33,892 where they would come out 181 00:08:33,927 --> 00:08:38,034 and have a feast in the middle of the night. 182 00:08:38,069 --> 00:08:40,554 The beginning crowd was a little older and it was a little gayer, 183 00:08:40,589 --> 00:08:44,144 and people started just to find the film. 184 00:08:44,178 --> 00:08:45,352 Then it exploded 185 00:08:45,386 --> 00:08:47,803 like no other cult film has exploded audience wise. 186 00:08:47,837 --> 00:08:50,771 At one point there was maybe 170 screens 187 00:08:50,806 --> 00:08:53,256 showing the film around the country at midnight 188 00:08:53,291 --> 00:08:55,051 many times to sold-out houses. 189 00:08:55,086 --> 00:08:58,607 - I adore the fans. - They've always been marvelous. 190 00:08:58,641 --> 00:08:59,987 And it changed my life. 191 00:09:00,022 --> 00:09:02,783 That was the very first time in my entire existence 192 00:09:02,818 --> 00:09:04,129 that I felt like, wow, 193 00:09:04,164 --> 00:09:07,512 this is like where I'm accepted for who I am. 194 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:08,789 I'm where I'm supposed to be. 195 00:09:08,824 --> 00:09:09,963 And I think that's an experience 196 00:09:09,997 --> 00:09:11,551 that a lot of people get from it. 197 00:09:11,585 --> 00:09:15,209 That film has helped so many people through difficult times, 198 00:09:15,244 --> 00:09:17,487 coming to terms with their sexuality. 199 00:09:17,522 --> 00:09:20,870 That's been a really moving aspect of the whole thing. 200 00:09:20,905 --> 00:09:22,872 And of course, that contributes enormously 201 00:09:22,907 --> 00:09:25,426 to the fact that it is the cult that it is. 202 00:09:25,461 --> 00:09:30,949 This movie gave you permission to be who you are. 203 00:09:30,984 --> 00:09:32,537 You know, don't dream it, be it. 204 00:09:47,138 --> 00:09:49,692 People say to me, what about "Gone With The Wind?" 205 00:09:49,727 --> 00:09:51,970 I say it went. 206 00:09:52,005 --> 00:09:58,080 We're the only film that never, ever left the cinema. 207 00:09:58,114 --> 00:10:00,496 I think Richard O'Brien tapped into something 208 00:10:00,530 --> 00:10:01,946 that already existed 209 00:10:01,980 --> 00:10:04,673 and just gave it shape and gave it form 210 00:10:04,707 --> 00:10:06,053 in a very theatrical way. 211 00:10:06,088 --> 00:10:08,711 I always hope that Richard O'Brien 212 00:10:08,746 --> 00:10:13,647 realizes the profound effect that his little musical 213 00:10:13,682 --> 00:10:15,960 has had on so many people and continues. 214 00:10:15,994 --> 00:10:20,309 And I honestly don't see it finishing anytime soon. 215 00:10:25,486 --> 00:10:26,764 Shut the fuck up, Donny. 216 00:10:26,798 --> 00:10:28,662 Where's the fucking money, you little brat? 217 00:10:28,697 --> 00:10:29,939 What the fuck are you talking about? 218 00:10:29,974 --> 00:10:31,665 What the fuck is with this guy? 219 00:10:31,700 --> 00:10:33,529 Shut the fuck up, Donny. 220 00:10:33,563 --> 00:10:34,944 Leave me the fuck alone! 221 00:10:34,979 --> 00:10:36,670 Shut the fuck up, Donny. 222 00:10:36,705 --> 00:10:39,569 Every "man, dude," every "fuck" 223 00:10:39,604 --> 00:10:42,745 is right where it should be, you know. 224 00:10:42,780 --> 00:10:44,160 And you don't want to mess with it. 225 00:10:44,195 --> 00:10:46,991 Do you have to use so many cuss words? 226 00:10:47,025 --> 00:10:48,648 What the fuck you talking about? 227 00:10:48,682 --> 00:10:50,442 The plot of "The Big Lebowski." 228 00:10:50,477 --> 00:10:55,827 Well, some guy named The Dude gets his rug peed on. 229 00:10:55,862 --> 00:10:58,623 The Dude minds. This will not stand, you know. 230 00:10:58,658 --> 00:11:00,867 This aggression will not stand, man. 231 00:11:00,901 --> 00:11:03,490 And he goes about trying to find out who did it, 232 00:11:03,524 --> 00:11:08,115 and that leads to all kinds of adventures for him. 233 00:11:08,150 --> 00:11:11,463 It's down there somewhere. Let me take another look. 234 00:11:11,498 --> 00:11:13,017 "The Big Lebowski" is basically 235 00:11:13,051 --> 00:11:17,055 a satire of Raymond Chandler gumshoe movies. 236 00:11:17,090 --> 00:11:20,887 I will compensate you to the tune of 10%. 237 00:11:20,921 --> 00:11:23,096 - 100... - Thousand, yes. 238 00:11:23,130 --> 00:11:25,995 Bones or clams or whatever you call them. 239 00:11:26,030 --> 00:11:29,861 They decided to take the least likely detective figure, 240 00:11:29,896 --> 00:11:32,450 in this case an asshole stoner. 241 00:11:32,484 --> 00:11:33,623 Bummer. 242 00:11:33,658 --> 00:11:36,247 Who bowls and drinks White Russians, 243 00:11:36,281 --> 00:11:38,663 the least cool drink in the world, 244 00:11:38,698 --> 00:11:41,114 and is somehow launched 245 00:11:41,148 --> 00:11:45,463 on an odyssey to recover a kidnapped woman. 246 00:11:45,497 --> 00:11:46,740 Where's Bunny? 247 00:11:46,775 --> 00:11:49,018 Well, I thought you might know that, man. 248 00:11:49,053 --> 00:11:50,917 He doesn't know what's going on. 249 00:11:50,951 --> 00:11:52,746 He moves through it in a fog. 250 00:11:52,781 --> 00:11:53,954 You're Bunny. 251 00:11:53,989 --> 00:11:57,751 I'll suck your cock for $1,000. 252 00:12:01,444 --> 00:12:04,965 "The Big Lebowski" needed to be seen and re-seen on cable. 253 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,900 It frankly needed to be seen high to really appreciate it. 254 00:12:08,935 --> 00:12:11,903 Say what you will morally about marijuana use, 255 00:12:11,938 --> 00:12:13,802 but there are ways in which 256 00:12:13,836 --> 00:12:16,011 they really lend themselves to cult movies. 257 00:12:20,809 --> 00:12:23,121 Aah! Aah! Oh! 258 00:12:25,848 --> 00:12:27,436 The movie, you know, when it came out 259 00:12:27,470 --> 00:12:30,059 I think it went over most people's heads. 260 00:12:30,094 --> 00:12:33,097 I'll fuck you in the ass next Wednesday instead. 261 00:12:33,131 --> 00:12:34,477 Whoo! 262 00:12:34,512 --> 00:12:37,722 I didn't really get, 263 00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:41,277 you know, all the nuances initially. 264 00:12:41,312 --> 00:12:43,348 I was a big fan of the Coen Brothers. 265 00:12:43,383 --> 00:12:46,386 I ran into them many years before I read the script. 266 00:12:46,420 --> 00:12:48,906 They said, we're writing something for you. 267 00:12:48,940 --> 00:12:50,562 I said, oh, great. 268 00:12:50,597 --> 00:12:52,530 And then I read this script, 269 00:12:52,564 --> 00:12:55,567 and it wasn't like anything I'd ever done before. 270 00:12:55,602 --> 00:12:58,881 It seemed like they had, you know, been spying on me 271 00:12:58,916 --> 00:13:01,159 in my early twenties or something, you know. 272 00:13:01,194 --> 00:13:03,955 He's the man for his time and place. 273 00:13:03,990 --> 00:13:08,822 Everyone wants to be a guy who never grows up. 274 00:13:08,857 --> 00:13:11,135 So the kids see this, 275 00:13:11,169 --> 00:13:14,379 but it's really men who are 25 years older than that, 276 00:13:14,414 --> 00:13:16,692 and they... especially guys, I think... 277 00:13:16,726 --> 00:13:18,038 you know, relate to that. 278 00:13:18,073 --> 00:13:20,730 It's kind of like a whole philosophy 279 00:13:20,765 --> 00:13:22,732 and a way of looking at life. 280 00:13:22,767 --> 00:13:26,875 Okay, sir. You're a Lebowski, I'm a Lebowski. 281 00:13:26,909 --> 00:13:28,083 That's terrific. 282 00:13:28,117 --> 00:13:30,533 Why is it such a cult classic? 283 00:13:30,568 --> 00:13:32,052 It's just a damn good film. 284 00:13:32,087 --> 00:13:33,674 It's so well made. 285 00:13:33,709 --> 00:13:37,333 I'd take "Big Lebowski" over "Kingpin" any day personally. 286 00:13:37,368 --> 00:13:39,404 No, I really love "Big Lebowski." 287 00:13:39,439 --> 00:13:41,544 And, you know, I love "Kingpin," too. 288 00:13:41,579 --> 00:13:43,098 They're different. They shouldn't be compared 289 00:13:43,132 --> 00:13:45,341 just because they're about bowling. 290 00:13:45,376 --> 00:13:47,861 Because if you're going to talk about pure bowling, 291 00:13:47,896 --> 00:13:50,622 we're the better bowling movie. 292 00:13:50,657 --> 00:13:54,074 Talk about a better movie, they'll win I think. 293 00:13:54,109 --> 00:13:55,282 The kind of acting I admire 294 00:13:55,317 --> 00:13:56,663 looks like you don't see any effort. 295 00:13:56,697 --> 00:13:58,907 There's just, oh, it's just spilling out. 296 00:13:58,941 --> 00:14:00,701 And that's what this movie is. 297 00:14:00,736 --> 00:14:02,082 But the spill, each thing 298 00:14:02,117 --> 00:14:05,603 is such a beautiful little curly cue, you know. 299 00:14:05,637 --> 00:14:08,848 And you just find more and more cool things 300 00:14:08,882 --> 00:14:10,850 to dig as you watch it. 301 00:14:10,884 --> 00:14:12,610 "The Big Lebowski" is a cult movie 302 00:14:12,644 --> 00:14:15,475 because it's constantly surprising you. 303 00:14:17,373 --> 00:14:19,513 There is not a scene you can predict. 304 00:14:19,548 --> 00:14:20,894 There is not an element 305 00:14:20,929 --> 00:14:22,896 that fits together with any other element. 306 00:14:22,931 --> 00:14:25,623 You are always being thrown off track by it 307 00:14:25,657 --> 00:14:27,556 even if you seen it 100 times. 308 00:14:27,590 --> 00:14:30,110 You think I'm fucking around here? Mark it zero. 309 00:14:30,145 --> 00:14:32,388 And it has some of the most quotable lines. 310 00:14:32,423 --> 00:14:35,667 You see what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass? 311 00:14:35,702 --> 00:14:37,152 It gets funnier as you see it. 312 00:14:37,186 --> 00:14:39,982 And I've seen and people shout. They know the lines. 313 00:14:40,017 --> 00:14:41,846 Nobody fucks with the Jesus. 314 00:14:41,881 --> 00:14:42,985 And it really hit me 315 00:14:43,020 --> 00:14:44,504 like the third time I saw it 10 years later. 316 00:14:44,538 --> 00:14:46,816 I was like, this is hilarious, this movie. 317 00:14:46,851 --> 00:14:49,750 I have a bumper sticker that says... 318 00:14:49,785 --> 00:14:53,927 You know, that's just like your opinion, man. 319 00:14:53,962 --> 00:14:55,480 I didn't get "The Big Lebowski." 320 00:14:55,515 --> 00:14:57,793 And then I saw it again and I got it. 321 00:14:57,827 --> 00:15:00,796 And it's one of those movies that every time you see it 322 00:15:00,830 --> 00:15:03,212 it makes you laugh and there's things about it you love 323 00:15:03,247 --> 00:15:05,421 and you repeat the dialogue lines. 324 00:15:05,456 --> 00:15:06,836 The Dude abides. 325 00:15:06,871 --> 00:15:08,321 The Dude abides, you know. 326 00:15:08,355 --> 00:15:10,323 That's just your opinion, man. You know what I mean? 327 00:15:10,357 --> 00:15:12,497 It don't matter to Jesus. You know what I mean? 328 00:15:12,532 --> 00:15:14,465 - I am the walrus. - I am the walrus, you know. 329 00:15:14,499 --> 00:15:17,951 It goes on and on and on, and it's really funny. 330 00:15:17,986 --> 00:15:19,953 So favorite scenes, well, 331 00:15:19,988 --> 00:15:23,405 you know, Turturro, I love watching his stuff. 332 00:15:23,439 --> 00:15:26,477 I have to say, I've gotten a lot of sex mail 333 00:15:26,511 --> 00:15:29,238 about "The Big Lebowski" from men and women. 334 00:15:29,273 --> 00:15:31,620 So I don't know what that means. 335 00:15:31,654 --> 00:15:33,484 It must have touched a nerve. 336 00:15:33,518 --> 00:15:35,693 For my own stuff, I like that scene 337 00:15:35,727 --> 00:15:39,248 with me in the back of the Big Lebowski's limo. 338 00:15:39,283 --> 00:15:42,493 Hey, careful, man. There's a beverage here. Hey! 339 00:15:42,527 --> 00:15:45,392 What in God's holy name are you blathering about? 340 00:15:45,427 --> 00:15:47,739 Well, I'll tell you what I'm blathering about. 341 00:15:47,774 --> 00:15:51,433 I've got information, man. New shit has come to light. 342 00:15:51,467 --> 00:15:53,435 New shit has come to light, you know, that scene. 343 00:15:53,469 --> 00:15:54,470 I like that scene. 344 00:15:54,505 --> 00:15:56,196 My favorite scene in "The Big Lebowski" 345 00:15:56,231 --> 00:15:59,199 has always been they're scattering somebody's ashes, 346 00:15:59,234 --> 00:16:01,822 but they didn't check the forecast that day. 347 00:16:01,857 --> 00:16:03,583 The wind was blowing in, as they say, 348 00:16:03,617 --> 00:16:06,103 from Wrigley Field. Got a little messy. 349 00:16:06,137 --> 00:16:08,381 And the... blows on The Dude 350 00:16:08,415 --> 00:16:11,177 and The Dude gets pissed off at Walter 351 00:16:11,211 --> 00:16:13,075 and Walter hugs him, you know. 352 00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:14,318 There's a warmth. I almost feel... 353 00:16:14,352 --> 00:16:16,285 like a little tear will come up, you know. 354 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,288 I get a little ferklempt, you know, when that happens. 355 00:16:19,323 --> 00:16:21,083 It's a warm feeling, you know. 356 00:16:21,118 --> 00:16:23,534 The movie has so many of those. 357 00:16:23,568 --> 00:16:24,673 Jeffrey. 358 00:16:24,707 --> 00:16:26,882 Maude? 359 00:16:26,916 --> 00:16:28,332 Love me. 360 00:16:29,885 --> 00:16:32,336 That's my robe. 361 00:16:32,370 --> 00:16:34,303 Every once in a while, I like to invite my family 362 00:16:34,338 --> 00:16:36,547 to come to the set and see what I've been up to. 363 00:16:36,581 --> 00:16:39,067 And I thought, oh, well, this will be a good day. 364 00:16:39,101 --> 00:16:40,620 The dream sequence, you know. 365 00:16:40,654 --> 00:16:43,726 It's like a Busby Berkeley thing, and it'll be fun. 366 00:16:43,761 --> 00:16:45,211 And then when the day came, 367 00:16:45,245 --> 00:16:50,147 I think why the hell did I invite my wife and my daughters 368 00:16:50,181 --> 00:16:53,046 to see me go through these girls legs 369 00:16:53,081 --> 00:16:55,014 and look up at their vaginas, you know? 370 00:16:55,048 --> 00:16:56,774 You know, what was I thinking? 371 00:16:56,808 --> 00:17:01,330 I look up like that and I see this pubic bush, 372 00:17:01,365 --> 00:17:04,161 these tufts of pubic hair coming out of this leotard, 373 00:17:04,195 --> 00:17:05,852 and I go, oh, my God. 374 00:17:05,886 --> 00:17:10,339 And the next lady has, you know, more incredible bush. 375 00:17:10,374 --> 00:17:13,722 And they had gone to the makeup guy 376 00:17:13,756 --> 00:17:16,345 and gotten crêpe hair and stuffed it in their leotards, 377 00:17:16,380 --> 00:17:19,762 you know, so it gave everyone a good laugh except me. 378 00:17:19,797 --> 00:17:21,109 I was kind of horrified. 379 00:17:21,143 --> 00:17:23,801 But I was surprised when the movie first came out 380 00:17:23,835 --> 00:17:24,940 that it wasn't a big hit, 381 00:17:24,974 --> 00:17:26,942 because it made me laugh, you know. 382 00:17:26,976 --> 00:17:30,256 I thought it was pretty great, but it didn't do much. 383 00:17:30,290 --> 00:17:33,569 I think there is something about turning your friends on 384 00:17:33,604 --> 00:17:36,434 to something that's rare, that not too many people know about 385 00:17:36,469 --> 00:17:39,472 that's exciting for both parties, you know. 386 00:17:39,506 --> 00:17:43,131 So I think "Lebowski" kind of cashes in on that. 387 00:17:43,165 --> 00:17:47,100 Well, I'm always happy to hear somebody's a big fan of my films 388 00:17:47,135 --> 00:17:49,068 for reasons that I don't always understand. 389 00:17:49,102 --> 00:17:50,103 But, hey, go for it. 390 00:17:50,138 --> 00:17:53,037 black and stacked. 391 00:17:53,072 --> 00:17:58,698 When Foxy Brown comes to town, all the brothers gather round. 392 00:17:58,732 --> 00:18:01,942 The assignment was a black woman revenge movie. 393 00:18:01,977 --> 00:18:04,600 A good revenge story will always get the audience, 394 00:18:04,635 --> 00:18:06,464 whether it's revenge in a spaghetti western, 395 00:18:06,499 --> 00:18:07,948 a blaxploitation, biker film, 396 00:18:07,983 --> 00:18:10,986 the good revenge story always gets the audience hooked. 397 00:18:11,020 --> 00:18:13,575 - What do you want with me? - My name's Coffin. 398 00:18:13,609 --> 00:18:16,095 Lubelle Coffin's is my little sister. 399 00:18:16,129 --> 00:18:17,130 Lubelle? 400 00:18:17,165 --> 00:18:18,752 She's a smack addict at 11, 401 00:18:18,787 --> 00:18:20,961 and you gave it to her, you dirty shake! 402 00:18:20,996 --> 00:18:22,135 Please! 403 00:18:22,170 --> 00:18:24,689 And they coined blaxploitation, 404 00:18:24,724 --> 00:18:28,383 because you get "Boxoffice," the exhibitor's magazine 405 00:18:28,417 --> 00:18:32,628 to see what you want to license for your theater chain. 406 00:18:32,663 --> 00:18:36,115 And so exploitation means for adult. 407 00:18:36,149 --> 00:18:39,187 It means profanity. 408 00:18:39,221 --> 00:18:41,085 White motherfucker. 409 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:42,811 - What are you doing? - Put that down. 410 00:18:42,845 --> 00:18:47,367 You want to spit on me and make me crawl? 411 00:18:47,402 --> 00:18:50,474 I'm going to piss on your grave tomorrow. 412 00:18:52,959 --> 00:18:55,237 Murder, bullets, wounds, gore, 413 00:18:55,272 --> 00:18:58,171 that's exploitation of, you know, people. 414 00:18:58,206 --> 00:18:59,241 You're showing that. 415 00:18:59,276 --> 00:19:01,554 And so they turned blaxploitation 416 00:19:01,588 --> 00:19:04,591 to explain that it's for a black audience. 417 00:19:04,626 --> 00:19:07,353 Marketing said a lot of black people go to the movies, 418 00:19:07,387 --> 00:19:09,113 and they like to see themselves in the movies. 419 00:19:09,148 --> 00:19:10,804 And so, of course, they made movies 420 00:19:10,839 --> 00:19:14,532 about what they thought were the black people of the time, 421 00:19:14,567 --> 00:19:17,432 and they were all criminals in dashikis 422 00:19:17,466 --> 00:19:20,469 with huge Afro hairdos. 423 00:19:20,504 --> 00:19:22,540 Now, I don't do no leather work, man. 424 00:19:22,575 --> 00:19:26,199 No whips, ropes, chains, and none of those fetish freaks. 425 00:19:26,234 --> 00:19:28,477 Just plain sex. 426 00:19:28,512 --> 00:19:30,203 I think blaxploitation films 427 00:19:30,238 --> 00:19:33,517 would be seen very differently by all of us 428 00:19:33,551 --> 00:19:38,004 if no one had ever invented the term "blaxploitation." 429 00:19:38,038 --> 00:19:40,524 It's really horrible word when you think about it. 430 00:19:40,558 --> 00:19:44,217 It's kind of racist, and it really makes those movies 431 00:19:44,252 --> 00:19:46,668 sound like they are the lowest of the low. 432 00:19:46,702 --> 00:19:48,325 Even within the black community, 433 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,224 within respectable elements of the black community, 434 00:19:51,259 --> 00:19:56,919 considered it to be, you know, demeaning somehow. 435 00:19:56,954 --> 00:19:58,438 Where actually what they were 436 00:19:58,473 --> 00:20:03,132 were pretty interesting low-budget action films 437 00:20:03,167 --> 00:20:07,758 that were expressing something brand-new about society. 438 00:20:07,792 --> 00:20:09,449 So you see, it's this vicious combination 439 00:20:09,484 --> 00:20:11,175 of big business and government 440 00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:13,246 which has kept our sisters prostitutes 441 00:20:13,281 --> 00:20:14,868 and our brothers dope peddlers. 442 00:20:14,903 --> 00:20:15,800 But the interesting thing 443 00:20:15,835 --> 00:20:19,942 was there were these female heroines, 444 00:20:19,977 --> 00:20:23,187 Cleopatra Jones and Foxy Brown, 445 00:20:23,222 --> 00:20:24,671 and Pam Grier playing a lot of them, 446 00:20:24,706 --> 00:20:27,985 and obviously they influenced Quentin Tarantino, 447 00:20:28,019 --> 00:20:31,299 because, you know, he made movies in that image. 448 00:20:31,333 --> 00:20:32,679 The "we" I see in you and me 449 00:20:32,714 --> 00:20:34,785 got one motherfucking thing to talk about. 450 00:20:34,819 --> 00:20:39,238 One thing, and that's what you are willing to do for me. 451 00:20:39,272 --> 00:20:40,687 Those were like positive depictions. 452 00:20:40,722 --> 00:20:42,758 She was cleaning up her own neighborhood. 453 00:20:42,793 --> 00:20:46,935 Jesus! You saved my beautiful black ass. 454 00:20:46,969 --> 00:20:49,248 - You really did. - Mm-hmm. 455 00:20:49,282 --> 00:20:53,252 How it started was I had done four films for Roger Corman, 456 00:20:53,286 --> 00:20:55,461 and then did "Black Mama, White Mama." 457 00:20:55,495 --> 00:20:56,876 And then they said, oh, my God, her audience 458 00:20:56,910 --> 00:21:00,017 is just, you know, packed with people 459 00:21:00,051 --> 00:21:02,606 coming four or five times, buying a lot of concessions. 460 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,677 Oh, my, she's just... 461 00:21:04,711 --> 00:21:06,955 And I'm like, I just wanted to do four or five for tuition. 462 00:21:06,989 --> 00:21:08,163 I'm done. 463 00:21:08,197 --> 00:21:12,512 She's sweet brown sugar with a touch of spice. 464 00:21:12,547 --> 00:21:14,376 If you see a man anywhere, send him in, 465 00:21:14,411 --> 00:21:16,620 because I do need a man. 466 00:21:16,654 --> 00:21:19,208 So now you've got a very pro-feminist movie 467 00:21:19,243 --> 00:21:21,487 and you've got a black film. 468 00:21:21,521 --> 00:21:23,385 Okay, it's not just like Fred Williamson 469 00:21:23,420 --> 00:21:25,905 we're looking at now, or Isaac Hayes. 470 00:21:25,939 --> 00:21:27,769 We've got sexy looking Pam Grier. 471 00:21:27,803 --> 00:21:30,219 So it's sort of two-for-one of those films. 472 00:21:30,254 --> 00:21:33,050 Black exploitation was a terminology 473 00:21:33,084 --> 00:21:34,362 that I never really understood. 474 00:21:34,396 --> 00:21:37,330 Like, it means that somebody was being exploited. 475 00:21:37,365 --> 00:21:38,849 Here now you have black actors 476 00:21:38,883 --> 00:21:40,851 finally working and making a dollar, 477 00:21:40,885 --> 00:21:43,163 a little more than they made before. 478 00:21:43,198 --> 00:21:44,475 You have a black audience 479 00:21:44,510 --> 00:21:47,754 that now the blacks in the film are the heroes. 480 00:21:47,789 --> 00:21:49,480 So I never really quite understood 481 00:21:49,515 --> 00:21:51,517 who was being exploited. 482 00:21:51,551 --> 00:21:53,553 How much time do you have? 483 00:21:53,588 --> 00:21:57,557 About Pam Grier, I could go on and on and on. 484 00:21:57,592 --> 00:21:59,628 We all flocked to see her 485 00:21:59,663 --> 00:22:02,321 because of the things that she brought to those movies. 486 00:22:02,355 --> 00:22:04,323 And every one of those things, 487 00:22:04,357 --> 00:22:06,532 whether it's Foxy Brown or Coffy, 488 00:22:06,566 --> 00:22:08,810 there is a conviction. 489 00:22:08,844 --> 00:22:10,225 And she's carried that conviction 490 00:22:10,259 --> 00:22:11,778 in everything she does since then. 491 00:22:11,813 --> 00:22:15,955 I'm told that you are a dangerous man, Arturo. 492 00:22:15,989 --> 00:22:17,922 I like that. 493 00:22:17,957 --> 00:22:21,719 When the studio first called me in and talked about this, 494 00:22:21,754 --> 00:22:24,066 they said that the reason they wanted to shoot the picture 495 00:22:24,101 --> 00:22:25,413 and get it done quickly 496 00:22:25,447 --> 00:22:28,554 was because Warners was doing a picture called... 497 00:22:28,588 --> 00:22:31,073 "Cleopatra Jones" starring Tamara Dobson. 498 00:22:31,108 --> 00:22:34,629 Which was a black woman star doing an action movie. 499 00:22:34,663 --> 00:22:38,805 The producer had originally brought the project to AIP, 500 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,635 and AIP has thought it was great. 501 00:22:40,669 --> 00:22:41,912 They wanted to do it, 502 00:22:41,946 --> 00:22:43,500 and then the producer went behind their back 503 00:22:43,534 --> 00:22:45,881 and got a better deal with Warner Bros., 504 00:22:45,916 --> 00:22:50,783 and so AIP said we want to get our own out fast, you know. 505 00:22:50,817 --> 00:22:52,854 The studio was asking me about other actresses, 506 00:22:52,888 --> 00:22:55,926 and my position was I wrote this for Pam Grier. 507 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,928 She has demonstrated already her capabilities. 508 00:22:57,962 --> 00:23:00,689 She's made about six or seven pictures already, 509 00:23:00,724 --> 00:23:02,484 and she's the only one 510 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:05,107 who really can bring this character to life. 511 00:23:05,142 --> 00:23:07,627 And the very next day Jack Hill called me 512 00:23:07,662 --> 00:23:09,284 and said I'm doing a picture in the Philippines. 513 00:23:09,318 --> 00:23:12,425 Want to come? I said, uh, yeah. 514 00:23:12,460 --> 00:23:14,185 And he told me about this girl that he found 515 00:23:14,220 --> 00:23:19,743 who was a receptionist at American International Films, 516 00:23:19,777 --> 00:23:24,437 was absolutely gorgeous, dynamic, smart, funny. 517 00:23:24,472 --> 00:23:25,956 He went on and on and on. 518 00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:27,854 I said okay, okay, I get it, I get it. 519 00:23:27,889 --> 00:23:29,131 All right, let's just do this. 520 00:23:29,166 --> 00:23:32,203 Got to the Philippines, and I met Pam Grier. 521 00:23:32,238 --> 00:23:33,860 And I went, oh, my God, 522 00:23:33,895 --> 00:23:36,760 everything he said was absolutely true. 523 00:23:36,794 --> 00:23:38,762 I mean, Pam and I did six films together. 524 00:23:38,796 --> 00:23:41,730 That was kind of unheard of at the time. 525 00:23:41,765 --> 00:23:45,458 You philandering fornicating bastard! 526 00:23:45,493 --> 00:23:48,150 You went off with that skinny honky for two days 527 00:23:48,185 --> 00:23:51,188 and gonna come back here and call me honey? 528 00:23:51,222 --> 00:23:56,676 And the first director of that deal was Jack Hill for "Coffy." 529 00:23:56,711 --> 00:23:59,817 And I was surprised, you know, because it was urban, 530 00:23:59,852 --> 00:24:03,994 and he included me in the development process. 531 00:24:04,028 --> 00:24:07,584 It wasn't just her personality and her authority, 532 00:24:07,618 --> 00:24:09,309 but her knowledge. 533 00:24:09,344 --> 00:24:12,381 I said, okay, Jack, have you been to the 'hood? 534 00:24:12,416 --> 00:24:14,314 If you haven't, you need to go. 535 00:24:14,349 --> 00:24:16,144 You need to see, feel, and hear. 536 00:24:16,178 --> 00:24:19,147 For example, I worked with her very closely on the script. 537 00:24:19,181 --> 00:24:23,254 Certain ideas like sharpening a bobby pin as a deadly weapon. 538 00:24:23,289 --> 00:24:24,393 Who'd ever think of that? 539 00:24:24,428 --> 00:24:25,912 Using wire coat hangers 540 00:24:25,947 --> 00:24:28,501 to twist so that she got all these hooks. 541 00:24:28,536 --> 00:24:29,744 Hey, what the hell are you doing? 542 00:24:29,778 --> 00:24:31,504 Get away from there you... 543 00:24:31,539 --> 00:24:32,781 Aah! 544 00:24:32,816 --> 00:24:35,370 - And slicing it. - I'd never think of that. 545 00:24:35,404 --> 00:24:39,132 And the greatest one was putting razor blades in her hair 546 00:24:39,167 --> 00:24:42,757 so if she gets into a fight and somebody grabs her hair, 547 00:24:42,791 --> 00:24:45,000 which women are liable to do... 548 00:24:45,035 --> 00:24:46,277 - Aah! - Aah! 549 00:24:48,797 --> 00:24:51,662 After all the other stuff, I mean, using a gun wrap, okay. 550 00:24:51,697 --> 00:24:53,250 Easy. No problem. 551 00:24:54,803 --> 00:24:58,082 Coffy was kind of clever that Pam Grier did 552 00:24:58,117 --> 00:25:01,396 because she found unique ways to kill people with. 553 00:25:01,430 --> 00:25:02,673 Kind of unique, you know. 554 00:25:02,708 --> 00:25:04,399 It's not something you expect, you know. 555 00:25:04,433 --> 00:25:06,435 So that kind of made it work. 556 00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:07,920 But then you;re too busy looking at Pam. 557 00:25:07,954 --> 00:25:09,369 You don't really care what Pam does. 558 00:25:09,404 --> 00:25:11,544 My favorite scene 559 00:25:11,579 --> 00:25:13,719 was Pam's great moment at the end 560 00:25:13,753 --> 00:25:16,445 when Pam's boyfriend, her lover, 561 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,965 is trying to talk her out of what... 562 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,174 he's just ordered her to be killed, you know, 563 00:25:21,209 --> 00:25:22,210 and she survived. 564 00:25:22,244 --> 00:25:24,523 And he's trying to talk her out of it. 565 00:25:24,557 --> 00:25:27,387 Power changed things for our people. 566 00:25:27,422 --> 00:25:28,941 I want to get all that money 567 00:25:28,975 --> 00:25:31,633 back into the hands of black people like you and me. 568 00:25:31,668 --> 00:25:33,946 Bullshit. You're just selling out 569 00:25:33,980 --> 00:25:36,155 to the white gangsters and businessmen. 570 00:25:36,189 --> 00:25:40,573 You're worse than they are, and I loved you. 571 00:25:40,608 --> 00:25:42,575 I loved you so much. 572 00:25:42,610 --> 00:25:45,336 People in the audience are saying, don't listen to him. 573 00:25:45,371 --> 00:25:46,683 Don't listen to him, you know. 574 00:25:46,717 --> 00:25:49,375 So in a sense, what Pam did with that scene 575 00:25:49,409 --> 00:25:52,274 was so great for her as an actress 576 00:25:52,309 --> 00:25:54,138 that I really remember that. 577 00:25:54,173 --> 00:25:57,590 However, more than once women have told me 578 00:25:57,625 --> 00:26:02,561 that like their favorite scene was when she holds the shotgun. 579 00:26:02,595 --> 00:26:05,356 This is the end of your rotten life, 580 00:26:05,391 --> 00:26:07,600 you motherfucking dope pusher. 581 00:26:07,635 --> 00:26:11,639 Pam Grier, that one chick hit squad 582 00:26:11,673 --> 00:26:12,916 who creamed do you as Coffy 583 00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:17,437 is back to do a job on the mob 584 00:26:17,472 --> 00:26:18,956 as Foxy Brown. 585 00:26:18,991 --> 00:26:21,131 Sounds like a public menace. 586 00:26:21,165 --> 00:26:22,235 Sure do. 587 00:26:22,270 --> 00:26:23,754 Aah! 588 00:26:23,789 --> 00:26:27,206 The chick with drive who don't take no jive. 589 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,829 The studio had such a success with "Coffy." 590 00:26:29,864 --> 00:26:31,037 When you have to rush out a sequel 591 00:26:31,072 --> 00:26:33,522 because of a surprise hit, you know, 592 00:26:33,557 --> 00:26:38,044 you tend to use the ideas that you rejected for the first one. 593 00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:41,841 "Foxy Brown" is another revenge story where her boyfriend, 594 00:26:41,876 --> 00:26:46,915 his murder is the result of a betrayal by her own brother. 595 00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:48,572 Aah! 596 00:26:48,607 --> 00:26:51,057 Now I only got so much control, 597 00:26:51,092 --> 00:26:53,508 and I'm liable to put one of these right between your eyes 598 00:26:53,542 --> 00:26:55,096 no matter what mama would say. 599 00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:57,339 And so you have a real conflict. 600 00:26:57,374 --> 00:27:00,653 And along the way, she has to pretend to be a hooker 601 00:27:00,688 --> 00:27:01,999 and, you know, the usual things 602 00:27:02,034 --> 00:27:04,657 in order to bring about what she wants to do. 603 00:27:04,692 --> 00:27:06,728 The younger generations today, 604 00:27:06,763 --> 00:27:08,661 which is like maybe three generations later, 605 00:27:08,696 --> 00:27:10,180 is still really into it. 606 00:27:10,214 --> 00:27:14,046 And in fact, the other day I saw on the Internet, eBay, 607 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,532 somebody's doing statuettes of Coffy and Foxy Brown. 608 00:27:17,566 --> 00:27:20,086 You know, hand-painted and selling for hundreds of dollars. 609 00:27:20,121 --> 00:27:23,607 You know, who could imagine such a thing? 610 00:27:23,642 --> 00:27:25,160 Now, of course, you know, 611 00:27:25,195 --> 00:27:27,542 they would probably give her an Image Award 612 00:27:27,576 --> 00:27:30,649 because of her durability 613 00:27:30,683 --> 00:27:33,721 and the fact that she has lasted for so long 614 00:27:33,755 --> 00:27:35,067 and because now it's possible 615 00:27:35,101 --> 00:27:36,793 for the generations who saw those movies 616 00:27:36,827 --> 00:27:40,003 to appreciate that kind of credibility, 617 00:27:40,037 --> 00:27:41,556 that kind of conviction. 618 00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:43,972 It's just too bad that she didn't get enough of it 619 00:27:44,007 --> 00:27:47,320 when she was really active and really doing those movies. 620 00:27:47,355 --> 00:27:50,151 I am among other pioneers. 621 00:27:50,185 --> 00:27:54,880 That for me is... 622 00:27:54,914 --> 00:27:58,228 You know, I don't want to overuse the word awesome, 623 00:27:58,262 --> 00:28:00,437 awesome sauce, or anything like that. 624 00:28:00,471 --> 00:28:02,094 It is an honor. 625 00:28:03,647 --> 00:28:04,855 Let me tell you of something 626 00:28:04,890 --> 00:28:07,616 that happened right here in our own city. 627 00:28:07,651 --> 00:28:09,998 You probably read about it in the papers. 628 00:28:10,033 --> 00:28:13,346 However I'll give you the real facts behind the case. 629 00:28:13,381 --> 00:28:16,833 The original "Reefer Madness" is an agitprop movie. 630 00:28:16,867 --> 00:28:19,905 It was made to warn people off of smoking marijuana, 631 00:28:19,939 --> 00:28:21,492 which was the devil's weed. 632 00:28:21,527 --> 00:28:25,186 And it's so earnest and so stern that it's hilarious 633 00:28:25,220 --> 00:28:27,913 because it's almost the definition of camp. 634 00:28:27,947 --> 00:28:29,604 Failed seriousness. 635 00:28:29,638 --> 00:28:33,090 Isn't it true that you have acquired a certain harmful habit 636 00:28:33,125 --> 00:28:36,438 through association with certain undesirable people? 637 00:28:36,473 --> 00:28:40,097 The basic plot of "Reefer Madness" is a woman and a man. 638 00:28:40,132 --> 00:28:41,927 - Where do you put it? - You got a hollow leg? 639 00:28:41,961 --> 00:28:45,240 Who are kind of pushing marijuana on to teenagers. 640 00:28:45,275 --> 00:28:47,139 That's the one I was telling you about. 641 00:28:47,173 --> 00:28:50,073 Very nice. 642 00:28:50,107 --> 00:28:52,972 It's a propaganda film put out in the 1930s 643 00:28:53,007 --> 00:28:57,183 to warn parents of the evils and danger, of peril 644 00:28:57,218 --> 00:29:00,186 of your children succumbing to the reefer. 645 00:29:03,465 --> 00:29:05,640 Come on, Bill. 646 00:29:05,674 --> 00:29:06,917 It's one of the only movies 647 00:29:06,952 --> 00:29:09,333 that you can see clear propaganda. 648 00:29:09,368 --> 00:29:12,405 - Rape... - No, no! 649 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:13,475 Suicide... 650 00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:15,029 Aah! 651 00:29:15,063 --> 00:29:16,375 Reckless driving... 652 00:29:18,515 --> 00:29:19,447 Attempted murder... 653 00:29:20,517 --> 00:29:22,070 Aah! 654 00:29:28,421 --> 00:29:31,735 So originally the propaganda came out of a church group 655 00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:33,288 that paid for this film. 656 00:29:33,323 --> 00:29:35,290 Good morning, Miss. We're from the police department. 657 00:29:35,325 --> 00:29:38,811 So then after that, a producer purchased the film, 658 00:29:38,846 --> 00:29:40,882 and re-cut it and then pushed it out 659 00:29:40,917 --> 00:29:44,955 onto the exploitation film circuit into perpetuity. 660 00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:47,716 Shut up! Shut up! 661 00:29:47,751 --> 00:29:49,028 So that in the mid-seventies, 662 00:29:49,063 --> 00:29:51,824 it sort of reemerged as a cult classic. 663 00:29:51,859 --> 00:29:53,412 There was this whole group of people 664 00:29:53,446 --> 00:29:57,450 that would go to midnight movies and smoke weed in the theater. 665 00:29:57,485 --> 00:29:59,107 Buy me some reefers. 666 00:29:59,142 --> 00:30:00,937 I think "Reefer Madness" became a cult classic 667 00:30:00,971 --> 00:30:03,836 because it is so funny and so serious 668 00:30:03,871 --> 00:30:05,217 and because everybody was smoking dope. 669 00:30:05,251 --> 00:30:08,116 Wow. Like if the church group 670 00:30:08,151 --> 00:30:09,773 that put this film out 671 00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:13,328 knew what the film was being used for, 672 00:30:13,363 --> 00:30:16,193 they're just rolling over in their graves. 673 00:30:16,228 --> 00:30:18,161 Do I understand you wish to plead guilty 674 00:30:18,195 --> 00:30:20,646 to a charge of fostering moral delinquency 675 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,027 in the case of William Harper? 676 00:30:22,061 --> 00:30:26,894 Yes, yes, I'm guilty. I am. 677 00:30:26,928 --> 00:30:29,413 If you're going to watch "Reefer Madness," 678 00:30:29,448 --> 00:30:32,934 I highly recommend you getting high. 679 00:30:32,969 --> 00:30:34,556 That's how to watch it. 680 00:30:34,591 --> 00:30:37,939 The next tragedy may be that of your daughter 681 00:30:37,974 --> 00:30:39,872 or your son 682 00:30:39,907 --> 00:30:45,498 or yours or yours or yours. 683 00:30:51,056 --> 00:30:54,749 "Freaks." Something I've seen twice. 684 00:30:54,783 --> 00:30:55,888 You don't see that around. 685 00:30:55,923 --> 00:30:57,683 That is a real cult film for me. 686 00:30:57,717 --> 00:31:01,031 It's primal. The fear is, oh, this could happen to me. 687 00:31:01,066 --> 00:31:02,377 If somebody is going back 688 00:31:02,412 --> 00:31:04,759 and looking through the history of cult cinema, 689 00:31:04,793 --> 00:31:07,727 one of the earliest ones has to be Tod Browning's "Freaks." 690 00:31:07,762 --> 00:31:10,006 There are a lot of great horror movies of the time, 691 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,284 but if you want one that is still really shocking, 692 00:31:12,318 --> 00:31:13,768 you know, the first cult movie, 693 00:31:13,802 --> 00:31:16,219 that's the one you go with and it's "Freaks." 694 00:31:16,253 --> 00:31:18,255 To my mind, it's the scariest movie of all time 695 00:31:18,290 --> 00:31:20,154 because it's made with real people. 696 00:31:20,188 --> 00:31:21,983 The authenticity that's there 697 00:31:22,018 --> 00:31:25,193 is at once fascinating, repulsive, exciting. 698 00:31:25,228 --> 00:31:26,746 It's a dangerous film 699 00:31:26,781 --> 00:31:30,026 where you as the audience don't quite know what to feel. 700 00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:32,338 It was a film that touched me, you know, 701 00:31:32,373 --> 00:31:35,514 because you saw something that was a little bit disturbing. 702 00:31:35,548 --> 00:31:38,966 And then you saw beyond the disturbing figure 703 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,624 and you saw a person that was a human being. 704 00:31:42,659 --> 00:31:45,938 I thought "Freaks" was a spectacular film. 705 00:31:45,973 --> 00:31:49,321 "Freaks" is about a circus, sort of a PT Barnum-esque circus 706 00:31:49,355 --> 00:31:52,151 of people who have deformities and maladies. 707 00:31:52,186 --> 00:31:53,290 It was made in the early thirties, 708 00:31:53,325 --> 00:31:54,843 so it became shocking and salacious 709 00:31:54,878 --> 00:31:56,431 and it was kind of buried. 710 00:31:56,466 --> 00:31:58,019 People didn't want to go see it. 711 00:31:58,054 --> 00:31:59,331 A tragic love triangle 712 00:31:59,365 --> 00:32:03,507 between a little couple and this larger woman. 713 00:32:03,542 --> 00:32:07,546 She's the most beautiful big woman I have ever seen. 714 00:32:07,580 --> 00:32:10,929 Who comes in, breaks up the couple to get the man's money. 715 00:32:10,963 --> 00:32:14,518 Oh, it's so good to be rubbed. 716 00:32:14,553 --> 00:32:17,659 A fortune, and I have him like that. 717 00:32:17,694 --> 00:32:18,971 And everything goes wrong. 718 00:32:19,006 --> 00:32:20,731 To me you're a man, 719 00:32:20,766 --> 00:32:24,563 but to her you're only something to laugh at. 720 00:32:24,597 --> 00:32:27,393 - Let them laugh. - They're swine. 721 00:32:27,428 --> 00:32:29,671 The other freaks welcome her in 722 00:32:29,706 --> 00:32:31,397 because, hey, you're nice to us. Thank you. 723 00:32:31,432 --> 00:32:33,261 We'll make her one of us. 724 00:32:33,296 --> 00:32:34,435 There's the marriage scene 725 00:32:34,469 --> 00:32:35,954 where all of the people of the circus 726 00:32:35,988 --> 00:32:37,472 are sitting around the wedding table. 727 00:32:37,507 --> 00:32:40,475 They are welcoming this normal woman to their table 728 00:32:40,510 --> 00:32:42,719 and saying you're now one of us. 729 00:32:42,753 --> 00:32:44,755 We accept her, one of us. 730 00:32:44,790 --> 00:32:47,137 Gooble-gobble, gooble-gobble. 731 00:32:47,172 --> 00:32:48,932 And they start chanting "one of us." 732 00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:50,969 One of us. One of us. 733 00:32:51,003 --> 00:32:52,729 Gooble-gobble, gooble-gobble. 734 00:32:52,763 --> 00:32:54,731 One of us, one of us. 735 00:32:54,765 --> 00:32:56,319 We accept you, one of us. 736 00:32:56,353 --> 00:32:58,355 - One of us. - One of us. 737 00:32:58,390 --> 00:33:02,221 And I think that must be how it feels to be in the audience 738 00:33:02,256 --> 00:33:05,190 watching a cult film with a bunch of other weirdos. 739 00:33:05,224 --> 00:33:07,468 It's one of us. You have joined our club. 740 00:33:07,502 --> 00:33:12,197 - Freaks! Freaks! - Get out of here! 741 00:33:12,231 --> 00:33:13,577 Then they find out the plot, 742 00:33:13,612 --> 00:33:17,167 and then they take their disgusting revenge on her 743 00:33:17,202 --> 00:33:18,375 and make her a freak just like them, 744 00:33:18,410 --> 00:33:21,482 and it's really upsetting. 745 00:33:21,516 --> 00:33:24,761 My father had told me about "Freaks" when I was a kid, 746 00:33:24,795 --> 00:33:27,453 and then one day it was playing at the Elgin. 747 00:33:27,488 --> 00:33:31,595 And so I went to see it, and having certain expectations 748 00:33:31,630 --> 00:33:34,081 because my father was like scared of it, 749 00:33:34,115 --> 00:33:35,530 it freaked him out. 750 00:33:35,565 --> 00:33:38,740 But when I saw it, I really identified with the freaks 751 00:33:38,775 --> 00:33:39,845 and I liked them. 752 00:33:39,879 --> 00:33:41,640 And I love the pinheads. 753 00:33:41,674 --> 00:33:44,298 They were just like sweet children. 754 00:33:44,332 --> 00:33:47,266 It just felt like what a great community. 755 00:33:47,301 --> 00:33:50,580 And the fact that those horrible, horrible 756 00:33:50,614 --> 00:33:52,547 what we're supposed to identify with 757 00:33:52,582 --> 00:33:55,550 is the like regular human beings, you know, 758 00:33:55,585 --> 00:33:58,277 the sexy woman and the strong man, you know, 759 00:33:58,312 --> 00:34:00,072 I thought they got what they deserved. 760 00:34:00,107 --> 00:34:01,832 It was like, yeah, get her. 761 00:34:01,867 --> 00:34:03,179 Tod Browning was the director of this movie, 762 00:34:03,213 --> 00:34:04,904 and he was coming off "Dracula," 763 00:34:04,939 --> 00:34:06,182 which was an enormous hit. 764 00:34:06,216 --> 00:34:08,011 And so he sort of could kind of do whatever he wanted. 765 00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:09,495 Browning was no slouch. 766 00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:13,637 It is a genuinely terrifying, wonderfully made picture. 767 00:34:13,672 --> 00:34:17,641 We're aghast because these nice people are turning deadly 768 00:34:17,676 --> 00:34:19,505 because somebody has wronged them. 769 00:34:19,540 --> 00:34:22,922 Believe it or not, there she is. 770 00:34:22,957 --> 00:34:25,822 They take their revenge and make her one of them. 771 00:34:25,856 --> 00:34:29,791 Tod Browning really is invested in his characters 772 00:34:29,826 --> 00:34:31,793 and what their lives are like. 773 00:34:31,828 --> 00:34:33,795 He's not inviting you to laugh at them. 774 00:34:33,830 --> 00:34:35,694 Part of what's fascinating about "Freaks" 775 00:34:35,728 --> 00:34:36,798 is the way he's like, 776 00:34:36,833 --> 00:34:38,490 and here they are hanging up their laundry. 777 00:34:38,524 --> 00:34:40,319 And here they are falling in love. 778 00:34:40,354 --> 00:34:41,562 It's fascinating to me 779 00:34:41,596 --> 00:34:44,461 how we've come this far since 1932, 780 00:34:44,496 --> 00:34:46,256 and we still don't have movies 781 00:34:46,291 --> 00:34:48,224 that treat people with, you know, 782 00:34:48,258 --> 00:34:49,742 severe physical disabilities 783 00:34:49,777 --> 00:34:53,091 with that same level of respect that you see in "Freaks." 784 00:34:53,125 --> 00:34:56,094 - Come on, Venus. - The bigger lady's baby's born. 785 00:34:56,128 --> 00:34:57,474 I mean, it's almost shocking 786 00:34:57,509 --> 00:34:58,993 that this movie is still shocking. 787 00:34:59,027 --> 00:35:00,201 "Freaks" ended up being 788 00:35:00,236 --> 00:35:01,582 one of the first cult movies of all time 789 00:35:01,616 --> 00:35:03,722 mostly through notoriety I believe. 790 00:35:03,756 --> 00:35:07,208 Like individual censors of different counties and cities 791 00:35:07,243 --> 00:35:08,658 didn't want to show it, 792 00:35:08,692 --> 00:35:11,488 and so that just drove interest up through the roof. 793 00:35:11,523 --> 00:35:13,007 And so people would go and seek it out. 794 00:35:13,041 --> 00:35:15,734 And there would be kind of, you know, midnight screenings. 795 00:35:15,768 --> 00:35:18,288 Midnight movies weren't a thing back then. 796 00:35:18,323 --> 00:35:21,188 It's a movie that could have very easily become lost 797 00:35:21,222 --> 00:35:22,741 or, you know, been destroyed. 798 00:35:22,775 --> 00:35:26,193 It took the actual resiliency of people who liked the movie 799 00:35:26,227 --> 00:35:27,539 and thought it was worth preserving 800 00:35:27,573 --> 00:35:30,542 that it has continued the way it has today. 801 00:35:32,716 --> 00:35:33,924 Aah! 802 00:35:41,069 --> 00:35:48,042 Well, now you're talking my language, David Lynch land. 803 00:35:48,076 --> 00:35:50,527 I visited it and it's something. 804 00:35:56,671 --> 00:36:00,468 I mean, this did not look like anything you've ever seen, 805 00:36:00,503 --> 00:36:05,163 and I've seen surrealistic movies all my life, 806 00:36:05,197 --> 00:36:08,200 so it's like, oh, my God. 807 00:36:08,235 --> 00:36:12,653 This is really from another place. 808 00:36:12,687 --> 00:36:14,310 David Lynch has a cult following. 809 00:36:14,344 --> 00:36:15,759 There's no doubt. 810 00:36:15,794 --> 00:36:19,763 He might be the cultiest director for a lot of reasons. 811 00:36:19,798 --> 00:36:22,352 There are people that will see anything that he does. 812 00:36:22,387 --> 00:36:24,423 It's a very nightmarish movie, 813 00:36:24,458 --> 00:36:27,633 and it definitely is one of the ultimate cult movies. 814 00:36:27,668 --> 00:36:31,327 It's the kind of movie that you see with an audience at midnight 815 00:36:31,361 --> 00:36:34,330 in a grind house or even an art house, 816 00:36:34,364 --> 00:36:37,229 because a lot of critics, mainstream critics, 817 00:36:37,264 --> 00:36:40,232 embraced the film because of its strangeness. 818 00:36:40,267 --> 00:36:42,579 "Eraserhead" is about a man 819 00:36:42,614 --> 00:36:47,895 who cannot come to terms with marriage and a child. 820 00:36:47,929 --> 00:36:50,311 Period. End of story. 821 00:36:50,346 --> 00:36:52,382 Now, how that is framed 822 00:36:52,417 --> 00:36:55,316 is enough to send you to the mental ward. 823 00:36:55,351 --> 00:36:56,766 How to describe "Eraserhead?" 824 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,526 Well, what does David Lynch tell us? 825 00:36:58,561 --> 00:37:01,115 He tells us it's a dream of dark and disturbing things, 826 00:37:01,149 --> 00:37:02,668 and I think that's good enough. 827 00:37:02,703 --> 00:37:05,292 You know, Hollywood with the whole idea of stars and things, 828 00:37:05,326 --> 00:37:06,569 I sure wasn't into, you know. 829 00:37:06,603 --> 00:37:07,673 I didn't want big names. 830 00:37:07,708 --> 00:37:10,435 I wanted people that were obscure 831 00:37:10,469 --> 00:37:12,471 because if you're going into the netherworld, 832 00:37:12,506 --> 00:37:14,439 you don't want to go in with Chuck Heston. 833 00:37:16,544 --> 00:37:21,066 "Eraserhead" is about a guy courting a girl, 834 00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:23,033 and her family's kind of weird. 835 00:37:23,068 --> 00:37:25,553 - We've got chicken tonight. - Strangest damn things. 836 00:37:25,588 --> 00:37:28,487 They're man-made. Little damn things. 837 00:37:28,522 --> 00:37:31,421 Smaller than my fist, and they're new. 838 00:37:32,802 --> 00:37:35,494 And they have this baby that's deformed. 839 00:37:38,290 --> 00:37:41,086 And there's this pretty lady living at the end of the hall 840 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,743 that this guy would rather be with 841 00:37:42,777 --> 00:37:45,228 than his wife and the sick baby. 842 00:37:45,263 --> 00:37:47,230 But it's kind of creepier than that, 843 00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:52,615 and some people really see deeper things in "Eraserhead," 844 00:37:52,649 --> 00:37:55,963 which will make it a cult movie forever. 845 00:37:55,997 --> 00:37:57,585 Anything goes, you know. 846 00:37:57,620 --> 00:37:59,069 Like if somebody sees it 847 00:37:59,104 --> 00:38:01,589 and wants to make a political film out of it, 848 00:38:01,624 --> 00:38:03,211 you know, they can do that, you know. 849 00:38:03,246 --> 00:38:06,767 It's fine with me because it's not fair for me to say, 850 00:38:06,801 --> 00:38:08,078 oh, you didn't get it, you know. 851 00:38:08,113 --> 00:38:10,357 Because the film is so abstract. 852 00:38:10,391 --> 00:38:12,255 I was in the middle of it 853 00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:14,533 and I asked the kid working for me, 854 00:38:14,568 --> 00:38:17,018 I said, you get David on the phone. 855 00:38:17,053 --> 00:38:18,986 I want this film. 856 00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:22,645 And he looked at me and said, you're crazy. 857 00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:25,199 The cultural significance of "Eraserhead" 858 00:38:25,233 --> 00:38:29,099 is it introduced this genius filmmaker to the world. 859 00:38:29,134 --> 00:38:31,688 He was soon embraced by Hollywood 860 00:38:31,723 --> 00:38:33,828 and producers like Dino de Laurentiis, 861 00:38:33,863 --> 00:38:37,142 who gave him a shot at "Dune" and "Blue Velvet" 862 00:38:37,176 --> 00:38:39,317 and of course Mel Brooks, 863 00:38:39,351 --> 00:38:41,698 who gave him the keys to "The Elephant Man," 864 00:38:41,733 --> 00:38:44,494 which has a lot of "Eraserhead" in it, you know. 865 00:38:44,529 --> 00:38:46,324 "Eraserhead" and "The Elephant Man" 866 00:38:46,358 --> 00:38:49,361 are very good companion movies in some ways. 867 00:38:49,396 --> 00:38:50,707 And in some ways, 868 00:38:50,742 --> 00:38:52,433 "Eraserhead" is the last I think true cult film, 869 00:38:52,468 --> 00:38:54,366 because I don't think David Lynch made it 870 00:38:54,401 --> 00:38:56,679 trying to like cash into this audience 871 00:38:56,713 --> 00:38:58,370 or this midnight movie circuit. 872 00:38:58,405 --> 00:39:00,614 I think he made it as an expression of things 873 00:39:00,648 --> 00:39:02,685 that were very important to him as an author 874 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,067 and as something he'd want to see. 875 00:39:06,102 --> 00:39:07,379 It's got special effects. 876 00:39:07,414 --> 00:39:09,036 I mean, the most amazing thing in "Eraserhead" 877 00:39:09,070 --> 00:39:12,764 is the creation of that little monster baby, 878 00:39:12,798 --> 00:39:15,180 which really was sort of as extraordinary 879 00:39:15,214 --> 00:39:16,837 as the one in "Alien." 880 00:39:16,871 --> 00:39:19,391 We came very close to a future 881 00:39:19,426 --> 00:39:21,566 where "Eraserhead" didn't exist. 882 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,878 He premieres it at a film festival here in L.A. 883 00:39:23,913 --> 00:39:27,054 24 people show up, and that's it. 884 00:39:27,088 --> 00:39:28,055 It could have died, you know. 885 00:39:28,089 --> 00:39:31,092 The next night, 25 people show up. Okay. 886 00:39:31,127 --> 00:39:32,542 And then from there, 887 00:39:32,577 --> 00:39:35,027 a local theater is convinced just put it on at midnight, 888 00:39:35,062 --> 00:39:36,995 and it ran for a year. 889 00:39:37,029 --> 00:39:40,412 "Eraserhead" played seven nights a week. 890 00:39:40,447 --> 00:39:42,656 By the way, most of the other midnight movies 891 00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:46,591 only played Friday and Saturday at midnight. 892 00:39:46,625 --> 00:39:48,662 Weirdly I live in Philadelphia, 893 00:39:48,696 --> 00:39:50,940 and David Lynch went to art school here 894 00:39:50,974 --> 00:39:52,631 at the Pennsylvania Academy of Fine Arts, 895 00:39:52,666 --> 00:39:55,876 and he used to live in North Philadelphia near the morgue. 896 00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:57,533 And that neighborhood where he lived 897 00:39:57,567 --> 00:39:59,017 is now called the Eraserhood. 898 00:39:59,051 --> 00:40:02,089 So it's 40 years after "Eraserhead" 899 00:40:02,123 --> 00:40:03,987 there's a neighborhood named after it. 900 00:40:04,022 --> 00:40:06,404 Henry and Mary got caught in the past, 901 00:40:06,438 --> 00:40:10,994 and there's not a whole lot happening that is normal. 902 00:40:11,029 --> 00:40:13,134 Mary? 903 00:40:13,169 --> 00:40:14,826 Mother. 904 00:40:14,860 --> 00:40:17,380 There's this strange combination 905 00:40:17,415 --> 00:40:19,106 that David Lynch does 906 00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:23,697 of the most bizarre images and situations 907 00:40:23,731 --> 00:40:25,630 with like regular reactions, 908 00:40:25,664 --> 00:40:30,220 like this like baby thing that's like suffering. 909 00:40:30,255 --> 00:40:32,499 And he goes, oh, you are sick. 910 00:40:34,501 --> 00:40:37,883 Oh, you are sick. 911 00:40:37,918 --> 00:40:39,471 That's what you would say 912 00:40:39,506 --> 00:40:41,404 if your kid started coughing and complaining, 913 00:40:41,439 --> 00:40:42,750 and you'd go, stop it. 914 00:40:42,785 --> 00:40:44,303 But it's this monster. 915 00:40:44,338 --> 00:40:46,547 I actually think it's one of the only cult movies 916 00:40:46,582 --> 00:40:49,481 that really feels like a work of art. 917 00:40:49,516 --> 00:40:51,345 It's so beautifully crafted. 918 00:40:51,379 --> 00:40:53,381 It really is like a dream. 919 00:41:00,354 --> 00:41:04,289 And then that lady singing in heaven, everything is fine, 920 00:41:04,323 --> 00:41:11,054 and you just go, what am I watching and where am I? 921 00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:13,505 I think we would appreciate "Eraserhead" 922 00:41:13,540 --> 00:41:15,093 as an organic masterpiece, 923 00:41:15,127 --> 00:41:18,096 as something that seems to have come 924 00:41:18,130 --> 00:41:23,826 directly from the churning mind of a unique individual 925 00:41:23,860 --> 00:41:28,934 who somehow has a pipeline from his id to the screen. 926 00:41:28,969 --> 00:41:30,522 "Eraserhead" is this strange combination 927 00:41:30,557 --> 00:41:33,939 of art house and universal and its emotions. 928 00:41:33,974 --> 00:41:35,423 I think that's the combination 929 00:41:35,458 --> 00:41:37,909 that's made it linger for so long 930 00:41:37,943 --> 00:41:39,151 is there is something in there. 931 00:41:39,186 --> 00:41:41,084 It's not just cold and inaccessible. 932 00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:45,537 There's a heart in there that you can feel. 933 00:41:45,572 --> 00:41:47,435 "Pink Flamingos" was definitely a midnight hit. 934 00:41:47,470 --> 00:41:50,818 It played for 10 years in some theaters, the biggest ones. 935 00:41:50,853 --> 00:41:52,751 But how that was marketed is completely different. 936 00:41:52,786 --> 00:41:54,097 It never opened at once. 937 00:41:54,132 --> 00:41:56,583 It took three years to open around the country. 938 00:41:56,617 --> 00:41:59,413 We go to the city, we'd start, we do the press. 939 00:41:59,447 --> 00:42:02,312 It would be one week, and then it would go to two weeks, 940 00:42:02,347 --> 00:42:03,486 three weeks, four weeks. 941 00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:04,832 And then we moved to the next city. 942 00:42:04,867 --> 00:42:06,006 I saw "Pink Flamingos" 943 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,628 when it was at the height of his popularity at midnight 944 00:42:07,663 --> 00:42:08,905 when the whole audience is roaring, 945 00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:10,493 and then I'd see it in court 946 00:42:10,528 --> 00:42:11,701 when I was charged with obscenity 947 00:42:11,736 --> 00:42:14,290 at 10 A.M. with 12 jurors. 948 00:42:14,324 --> 00:42:15,567 It was obscene. 949 00:42:15,602 --> 00:42:17,189 It was obscene then at 10:00 in the morning. 950 00:42:17,224 --> 00:42:19,916 It was like, oh, my God. I'm going to jail forever. 951 00:42:19,951 --> 00:42:21,918 And I never won the case. 952 00:42:21,953 --> 00:42:23,920 Even after the Museum of Modern Art bought a print, 953 00:42:23,955 --> 00:42:25,819 I thought, well, here's proof we're art. 954 00:42:25,853 --> 00:42:28,856 Uh-huh. We were guilty every single time. 955 00:42:28,891 --> 00:42:31,652 So I just paid the fine. It was cheaper than the lawyer. 956 00:42:31,687 --> 00:42:34,586 Because in a courtroom at 10 A.M., it is obscene. 957 00:42:37,831 --> 00:42:40,834 "Pink Flamingos" is an object of modern art. 958 00:42:40,868 --> 00:42:42,283 It transcends cinema. 959 00:42:42,318 --> 00:42:46,011 It is cinema as object, as statue, as painting. 960 00:42:46,046 --> 00:42:48,566 There are no other films like "Pink Flamingos." 961 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,429 Kill everyone now. 962 00:42:50,464 --> 00:42:52,604 Condone first-degree murder. 963 00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,124 Advocate cannibalism. Eat shit. 964 00:42:55,158 --> 00:42:58,196 Filth are my politics. Filth is my life. 965 00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:59,335 I mean, "Pink Flamingos" 966 00:42:59,369 --> 00:43:01,613 has probably soared to the top of the cult list 967 00:43:01,648 --> 00:43:02,856 because how many movies 968 00:43:02,890 --> 00:43:06,894 have a fat drag queen eating poodle turds? 969 00:43:06,929 --> 00:43:09,759 Well, I first saw "Pink Flamingos" when I was 15, 970 00:43:09,794 --> 00:43:13,038 and it just scared the shit out of me. 971 00:43:13,073 --> 00:43:14,764 And the next packet you bring me 972 00:43:14,799 --> 00:43:16,732 is getting shoved right up your little ass. 973 00:43:16,766 --> 00:43:18,112 Can you comprehend that? 974 00:43:18,147 --> 00:43:21,081 It's then kind of rediscovered 975 00:43:21,115 --> 00:43:22,600 in the day when there was a whole network 976 00:43:22,634 --> 00:43:25,361 of repertory cinemas that they would program these films. 977 00:43:25,395 --> 00:43:28,640 And there they would find a totally different audience 978 00:43:28,675 --> 00:43:32,092 that appreciated the film many times on a very different level 979 00:43:32,126 --> 00:43:33,921 than what was originally intended. 980 00:43:33,956 --> 00:43:36,475 With "Pink Flamingos," you had a crowd coming in, 981 00:43:36,510 --> 00:43:40,203 and they've been warned about it, they watch it, 982 00:43:40,238 --> 00:43:42,481 and many times it's the only time they watch the film. 983 00:43:42,516 --> 00:43:43,724 There grossed out, they leave, 984 00:43:43,759 --> 00:43:46,002 they tell more people, those people come in. 985 00:43:46,037 --> 00:43:48,039 Well, the plot of "Pink Flamingos" 986 00:43:48,073 --> 00:43:50,628 is that there's two families in Baltimore 987 00:43:50,662 --> 00:43:52,768 that are vying for the prize 988 00:43:52,802 --> 00:43:55,080 of the filthiest people in the world. 989 00:43:55,115 --> 00:43:57,151 And they go to different extremes. 990 00:43:57,186 --> 00:44:00,327 You have the Connie and Raymond Marble crowd 991 00:44:00,361 --> 00:44:02,916 that kidnaps women, 992 00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:04,849 impregnates them with their butler. 993 00:44:04,883 --> 00:44:06,851 How would you like to fuck my chauffeur? 994 00:44:06,885 --> 00:44:09,336 He's got a real horse dick on him. 995 00:44:09,370 --> 00:44:10,751 Fucking ball of shit! 996 00:44:10,786 --> 00:44:11,994 - I said shut up! - Just shut up. 997 00:44:12,028 --> 00:44:13,409 I'm talking when I come down here. 998 00:44:13,443 --> 00:44:16,274 And then sells the babies off to lesbian couples. 999 00:44:16,308 --> 00:44:18,172 But they're almost like a one-hit wonder. 1000 00:44:18,207 --> 00:44:21,313 They don't have much else in the way of filth. 1001 00:44:21,348 --> 00:44:23,177 Where Divine and her family, 1002 00:44:23,212 --> 00:44:25,835 they have all kinds of depravities 1003 00:44:25,870 --> 00:44:28,527 and a whole group of sickos. 1004 00:44:28,562 --> 00:44:29,977 And of course they win 1005 00:44:30,012 --> 00:44:33,118 by not only capturing and executing Raymond and Connie, 1006 00:44:33,153 --> 00:44:36,363 but they also at the end prove without a doubt 1007 00:44:36,397 --> 00:44:38,917 at the last scene that they are the filthiest people. 1008 00:44:38,952 --> 00:44:41,057 At least Divine is the filthiest person in the world. 1009 00:44:43,473 --> 00:44:46,442 When I got to know Divine, I asked him how he did it. 1010 00:44:46,476 --> 00:44:50,515 And he said, well, we fed the poodle prime steak 1011 00:44:50,549 --> 00:44:52,655 all week before we shot the scene. 1012 00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:54,208 So I guess it got to the point 1013 00:44:54,243 --> 00:44:57,004 where I thought anything that comes out of that dog is prime. 1014 00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:59,455 So it's the only way I could face it. 1015 00:44:59,489 --> 00:45:00,836 I think "Pink Flamingos" 1016 00:45:00,870 --> 00:45:02,976 is considered one of the great cult films of all time 1017 00:45:03,010 --> 00:45:06,013 because it continually tops itself. 1018 00:45:06,048 --> 00:45:08,188 It starts out pretty bat shit crazy 1019 00:45:08,222 --> 00:45:11,329 with people you don't see every day, especially in 1971. 1020 00:45:11,363 --> 00:45:14,297 They were not dying their pubic hair red in 1971. 1021 00:45:14,332 --> 00:45:16,299 And you have this sort of carnival, 1022 00:45:16,334 --> 00:45:17,887 and it's just, it's hypnotic. 1023 00:45:17,922 --> 00:45:19,095 In other words, we want to know 1024 00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:20,476 how we can play her the most. 1025 00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:22,892 How we can make her life as miserable as possible. 1026 00:45:22,927 --> 00:45:26,240 It's really her mother Edie the Egg Lady 1027 00:45:26,275 --> 00:45:28,242 that's probably the craziest one, 1028 00:45:28,277 --> 00:45:32,246 her in a pigpen craving eggs from her beloved Egg Man. 1029 00:45:32,281 --> 00:45:34,628 I'm in here. I hear The Egg Man. 1030 00:45:34,662 --> 00:45:36,768 In here. In here, Mr. Egg Man. 1031 00:45:36,803 --> 00:45:40,289 Eggs! Eggs! Oh, help! God! God! 1032 00:45:40,323 --> 00:45:43,810 He was using people like Edie and, you know, Mink Stole, 1033 00:45:43,844 --> 00:45:48,021 and Mary Vivian Pearce was so exotic. 1034 00:45:48,055 --> 00:45:49,298 Does murder make you happy? 1035 00:45:49,332 --> 00:45:52,094 Murder merely relieves tension, Mr. Curzan. 1036 00:45:52,128 --> 00:45:55,787 For murder to bring happiness one must already be happy. 1037 00:45:55,822 --> 00:45:57,927 What's not to like? 1038 00:45:57,962 --> 00:45:59,273 Well, I think John Waters 1039 00:45:59,308 --> 00:46:02,483 was definitely making movies for a cult audience, 1040 00:46:02,518 --> 00:46:03,726 and he knew it. 1041 00:46:03,761 --> 00:46:06,073 But there was nothing calculated about it. 1042 00:46:06,108 --> 00:46:10,733 I mean, I literally watch this movie not even as a comedy. 1043 00:46:10,768 --> 00:46:13,805 I couldn't believe I shared a planet 1044 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,462 with the people in this movie. 1045 00:46:15,496 --> 00:46:18,948 Oh, my God. What a horrible photograph. 1046 00:46:18,983 --> 00:46:23,056 My first wanted poster and I have to look just awful. 1047 00:46:23,090 --> 00:46:25,679 And here you have a couple intersecting cults. 1048 00:46:25,713 --> 00:46:27,129 You have the cult of John Waters, 1049 00:46:27,163 --> 00:46:30,373 who is this brilliant comic satiric visionary, 1050 00:46:30,408 --> 00:46:32,065 and then you have the cult of Divine. 1051 00:46:32,099 --> 00:46:35,102 Why, I haven't fallen in love for three whole days. 1052 00:46:35,137 --> 00:46:36,897 I'm just itching to find somebody 1053 00:46:36,932 --> 00:46:38,519 with a little imagination. 1054 00:46:38,554 --> 00:46:41,108 John Waters is this weirdo kid 1055 00:46:41,143 --> 00:46:43,766 who wants to be a filmmaker, is passionate about it, 1056 00:46:43,801 --> 00:46:45,768 and gets all of his friends involved. 1057 00:46:45,803 --> 00:46:48,012 It becomes their neighborhood project. 1058 00:46:48,046 --> 00:46:50,221 He was making movies really for himself. 1059 00:46:50,255 --> 00:46:53,880 I mean, they expressed who he was, his vision. 1060 00:46:53,914 --> 00:46:55,295 He befriends a kid named Glenn, 1061 00:46:55,329 --> 00:46:57,193 who is going to grow up to become Divine. 1062 00:46:57,228 --> 00:47:00,334 And he sees in Glenn what Glenn doesn't even see it himself yet. 1063 00:47:00,369 --> 00:47:03,027 John Waters is able to elevate his friend, 1064 00:47:03,061 --> 00:47:07,341 this quiet guy that nobody knew, into a superstar. 1065 00:47:07,376 --> 00:47:11,311 I had no idea that Divine was really a man. 1066 00:47:11,345 --> 00:47:14,141 I just got caught up in the illusion of it, 1067 00:47:14,176 --> 00:47:18,352 and I thought it was kind of a horror movie, but mesmerizing. 1068 00:47:18,387 --> 00:47:21,148 So of course I had to go back and see it again and again. 1069 00:47:21,183 --> 00:47:23,392 To me, like, my foundational memory of "Pink Flamingos" 1070 00:47:23,426 --> 00:47:24,703 is dragging a bunch of my friends 1071 00:47:24,738 --> 00:47:25,877 to go see it in the movie theater 1072 00:47:25,912 --> 00:47:27,258 when I was in high school. 1073 00:47:27,292 --> 00:47:29,260 And when we left, they turned to me and they said, 1074 00:47:29,294 --> 00:47:31,779 you never get to pick the movie again. 1075 00:47:31,814 --> 00:47:34,368 The one scene that sticks out for me, 1076 00:47:34,403 --> 00:47:37,889 when they start licking the furniture and the staircase 1077 00:47:37,924 --> 00:47:40,374 of Connie and Raymond Marble's house. 1078 00:47:40,409 --> 00:47:44,137 That's to kind of put their filth into the house there, 1079 00:47:44,171 --> 00:47:45,966 and I was like, what the hell is this? 1080 00:47:46,001 --> 00:47:47,795 And you have these situations 1081 00:47:47,830 --> 00:47:49,107 which are increasingly ridiculous, 1082 00:47:49,142 --> 00:47:52,455 but logical into its own world. 1083 00:47:52,490 --> 00:47:54,941 So it's really a masterpiece of satiric writing. 1084 00:47:54,975 --> 00:47:57,184 He really made them feel like documentaries. 1085 00:47:57,219 --> 00:47:59,566 It's an encounter with the absurd. 1086 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,017 And, of course, like all of John Waters movies, 1087 00:48:02,051 --> 00:48:05,641 it's people who think they're living in a Hollywood fantasy 1088 00:48:05,675 --> 00:48:08,506 and who are really living in a tract house in Baltimore. 1089 00:48:08,540 --> 00:48:11,026 That is what I think gives it its appeal 1090 00:48:11,060 --> 00:48:12,510 is the people realizing 1091 00:48:12,544 --> 00:48:15,651 they're trying to make a great big Hollywood epic, 1092 00:48:15,685 --> 00:48:18,067 but they're doing it for a dollar and a half. 1093 00:48:22,485 --> 00:48:24,418 It's a little bit of a different kind of cult film 1094 00:48:24,453 --> 00:48:25,833 because it wasn't a midnight cult film, 1095 00:48:25,868 --> 00:48:27,594 it was a mainstream cult film. 1096 00:48:27,628 --> 00:48:29,976 Harold was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. 1097 00:48:30,010 --> 00:48:31,425 He lives in the lap of luxury, 1098 00:48:31,460 --> 00:48:35,464 has a mother who is completely obsessed with status. 1099 00:48:35,498 --> 00:48:38,156 I had them take away that monstrous thing of yours 1100 00:48:38,191 --> 00:48:40,262 and send this one round instead. 1101 00:48:40,296 --> 00:48:43,127 He hates that. He's depressive. 1102 00:48:43,161 --> 00:48:48,063 And in an attempt to piss her off and get her attention, 1103 00:48:48,097 --> 00:48:51,135 he stages these elaborate phony suicides. 1104 00:48:51,169 --> 00:48:53,171 Harold, please! 1105 00:48:53,206 --> 00:48:55,242 That never quite piss her off enough. 1106 00:48:55,277 --> 00:48:58,038 I suppose you think that's very funny, Harold. 1107 00:48:58,073 --> 00:48:59,212 So he keeps doing them. 1108 00:48:59,246 --> 00:49:03,147 I can't stand much more of this. 1109 00:49:04,562 --> 00:49:07,634 And he goes to other people's funerals 1110 00:49:07,668 --> 00:49:09,808 just to be around death. 1111 00:49:09,843 --> 00:49:11,293 Yeah, it's a delightful movie 1112 00:49:11,327 --> 00:49:13,053 about the unlikely story 1113 00:49:13,088 --> 00:49:15,780 of an older lady and a younger fella. 1114 00:49:15,814 --> 00:49:16,884 Ah-choo! 1115 00:49:16,919 --> 00:49:18,265 And of course it appealed to me, 1116 00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:21,337 yes, that alienated, you know, kid 1117 00:49:21,372 --> 00:49:25,169 and, you know, feeling he had to find his own authentic way 1118 00:49:25,203 --> 00:49:30,519 outside of his family's bourgeois identity. 1119 00:49:30,553 --> 00:49:33,349 That's kind of up my alley a little bit. 1120 00:49:33,384 --> 00:49:35,179 It is time you settled down 1121 00:49:35,213 --> 00:49:36,870 and stopped flitting away your talents 1122 00:49:36,904 --> 00:49:38,906 on these little amateur theatrics, 1123 00:49:38,941 --> 00:49:41,426 these little divertissements. 1124 00:49:41,461 --> 00:49:44,326 no matter how psychologically purging they may be. 1125 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,637 I mean, him trying to kill himself, 1126 00:49:45,672 --> 00:49:48,916 and then he meets this free spirit, you know, 1127 00:49:48,951 --> 00:49:51,229 who happens to be, you know, much older, 1128 00:49:51,264 --> 00:49:54,612 and like she helps him come into his own. 1129 00:49:54,646 --> 00:49:55,923 Like some licorice? 1130 00:49:55,958 --> 00:49:57,201 No, thank you. 1131 00:49:57,235 --> 00:49:59,065 Three reasons that "Harold and Maude" 1132 00:50:01,584 --> 00:50:04,035 Ruth Gordon, Ruth Gordon, Ruth Gordon. 1133 00:50:04,070 --> 00:50:06,658 You have in this film a character, 1134 00:50:06,693 --> 00:50:10,731 an actor so perfect you want to hang out with her. 1135 00:50:10,766 --> 00:50:12,181 You might want to date her. 1136 00:50:12,216 --> 00:50:15,253 Definitely Maude is the coolest person you've met. 1137 00:50:15,288 --> 00:50:16,461 I always get the sense 1138 00:50:16,496 --> 00:50:18,912 that she could maybe see where, you know, 1139 00:50:18,946 --> 00:50:21,397 where his life would go if he doesn't have this kind of, 1140 00:50:21,432 --> 00:50:22,709 you know, friendship or relationship 1141 00:50:22,743 --> 00:50:24,849 where he's able to express himself. 1142 00:50:24,883 --> 00:50:26,437 One of the most interesting things about his performance 1143 00:50:26,471 --> 00:50:29,750 is the way if you watch him reacting to Ruth Gordon, 1144 00:50:29,785 --> 00:50:31,856 there's such a kind of fascination he shows 1145 00:50:31,890 --> 00:50:34,410 just with his, you know, kind of silent reactions with her 1146 00:50:34,445 --> 00:50:37,206 that it really sells the relationship. 1147 00:50:37,241 --> 00:50:39,622 That he's genuinely really beguiled by this woman 1148 00:50:39,657 --> 00:50:41,624 and that she's really breaking through to him 1149 00:50:41,659 --> 00:50:43,247 in a way that other people haven't. 1150 00:50:43,281 --> 00:50:45,145 We were one of the few people to leave the theater 1151 00:50:45,180 --> 00:50:47,113 because the theater was completely empty. 1152 00:50:47,147 --> 00:50:49,736 And we were thinking right away, 1153 00:50:49,770 --> 00:50:52,325 oh, we've got to tell people about this movie. 1154 00:50:52,359 --> 00:50:56,329 This is a completely disarming film, 1155 00:50:56,363 --> 00:50:59,746 and there's nothing like it. 1156 00:50:59,780 --> 00:51:05,407 Did no business, and then sometime in the seventies, 1157 00:51:05,441 --> 00:51:06,615 people started playing it. 1158 00:51:06,649 --> 00:51:09,100 This is even before like video, I think. 1159 00:51:09,135 --> 00:51:11,068 Like I remember I was at college 1160 00:51:11,102 --> 00:51:13,139 and they played "Harold and Maude." 1161 00:51:13,173 --> 00:51:15,106 And it was like a two, three year old movie 1162 00:51:15,141 --> 00:51:17,108 and just a little masterpiece. 1163 00:51:17,143 --> 00:51:18,282 But at the time, I mean, 1164 00:51:18,316 --> 00:51:20,284 it had a devoted following of people. 1165 00:51:20,318 --> 00:51:21,871 But also its repeatability. 1166 00:51:21,906 --> 00:51:24,495 They would come to the film and they'd see it many times. 1167 00:51:24,529 --> 00:51:26,842 No interaction. They just loved the film. 1168 00:51:26,876 --> 00:51:28,671 It's interesting that "The Graduate" 1169 00:51:28,706 --> 00:51:30,259 came out a few years before and did very well. 1170 00:51:30,294 --> 00:51:31,605 It was a huge hit. 1171 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,056 But you can see some connection between the two. 1172 00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:35,264 This is the sickest, most perverted thing 1173 00:51:35,299 --> 00:51:36,817 that ever happened to me. 1174 00:51:36,852 --> 00:51:38,819 And you do what you want, but I'm getting the hell out. 1175 00:51:38,854 --> 00:51:40,787 It's not as much of a generational statement 1176 00:51:40,821 --> 00:51:41,788 as "The Graduate," 1177 00:51:41,822 --> 00:51:43,479 so it kind of got lost for a little while 1178 00:51:43,514 --> 00:51:45,688 before, you know, it's audience eventually found it. 1179 00:51:45,723 --> 00:51:49,382 And what's his name plays the song at the end, you know. 1180 00:51:49,416 --> 00:51:50,624 The music of Cat Stevens 1181 00:51:50,659 --> 00:51:53,455 I think had a lot to do with it also. 1182 00:52:04,569 --> 00:52:07,848 Cat Stevens is the third star of "Harold and Maude." 1183 00:52:07,883 --> 00:52:10,161 I love the whole movie, but my favorite scene 1184 00:52:10,196 --> 00:52:12,439 is a moment that's so subtle 1185 00:52:12,474 --> 00:52:14,717 I didn't even notice it the first time I saw the movie. 1186 00:52:14,752 --> 00:52:17,237 So Harold and Maude just had a long fun day, 1187 00:52:17,272 --> 00:52:21,276 and Harold says to Maude, you're beautiful. 1188 00:52:21,310 --> 00:52:24,002 And she says, oh, you make me feel like a schoolgirl. 1189 00:52:24,037 --> 00:52:27,834 And he takes her hand, and while she's talking, he looks down. 1190 00:52:27,868 --> 00:52:34,392 And for a second, he sees a tattoo of a number on her arm. 1191 00:52:34,427 --> 00:52:37,568 And in that moment, you realize 1192 00:52:37,602 --> 00:52:40,674 that she's been through something horrible 1193 00:52:40,709 --> 00:52:44,747 and that she's seen death and that she's experienced loss. 1194 00:52:44,782 --> 00:52:52,652 And this is why she now lives her life for love 1195 00:52:52,686 --> 00:52:56,449 and for experience and for the things that matter. 1196 00:52:56,483 --> 00:53:01,212 And I find it very moving. A very moving moment. 1197 00:53:01,247 --> 00:53:02,489 That's one of the movies 1198 00:53:02,524 --> 00:53:05,872 people will say I've seen 20, 30 times. 1199 00:53:05,906 --> 00:53:10,946 And if you see it 30 times, you bring 30 new people with it. 1200 00:53:13,983 --> 00:53:19,541 The cult movie that set the dial at 11, "Spinal Tap." 1201 00:53:19,575 --> 00:53:21,059 I've never been on a movie set 1202 00:53:21,094 --> 00:53:25,236 that people don't know a lot of lines from "Spinal Tap" 1203 00:53:25,271 --> 00:53:28,343 or met a musician who couldn't recite the whole movie. 1204 00:53:28,377 --> 00:53:29,758 I remember Steve Tyler, 1205 00:53:29,792 --> 00:53:31,622 the first time we were face-to-face with Steve Tyler, 1206 00:53:31,656 --> 00:53:34,694 he went, oh, too close, too close. 1207 00:53:34,728 --> 00:53:39,837 We are Spinal Tap from the UK. You must be the USA. 1208 00:53:39,871 --> 00:53:46,188 This movie was the first of its kind, a mockumentary. 1209 00:53:46,223 --> 00:53:50,434 You put a greased naked woman on all fours 1210 00:53:50,468 --> 00:53:53,747 with a dog collar around her neck and a leash 1211 00:53:53,782 --> 00:53:58,649 and a man's arm extended out up to here holding on to the leash 1212 00:53:58,683 --> 00:54:02,239 and pushing a black glove in her face to sniff it. 1213 00:54:02,273 --> 00:54:03,757 You don't find that offensive? 1214 00:54:03,792 --> 00:54:05,863 No. You should've seen the cover they wanted to do. 1215 00:54:05,897 --> 00:54:07,554 I think I was on a date when I saw it, 1216 00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:09,832 and I think the date at the end of the movie 1217 00:54:09,867 --> 00:54:15,321 said, so is that a real... are they a real group? 1218 00:54:15,355 --> 00:54:19,221 She didn't get the mock of the mentary. 1219 00:54:19,256 --> 00:54:20,774 People came up to me afterwards, 1220 00:54:20,809 --> 00:54:22,880 and they said, why would you make a movie 1221 00:54:22,914 --> 00:54:27,988 about a band that nobody's ever heard of 1222 00:54:28,023 --> 00:54:30,059 and a band that's so bad? 1223 00:54:37,550 --> 00:54:38,930 Why wouldn't you make a movie 1224 00:54:38,965 --> 00:54:40,518 about the Rolling Stones or the Beatles or something? 1225 00:54:40,553 --> 00:54:41,795 And I tried to explain it to them. 1226 00:54:41,830 --> 00:54:43,901 Yeah, you ever watch "Saturday Night Live?" 1227 00:54:43,935 --> 00:54:45,212 They do takeoffs. 1228 00:54:45,247 --> 00:54:46,593 And satire's strange. 1229 00:54:46,628 --> 00:54:48,975 It's one of those things where it takes a while 1230 00:54:49,009 --> 00:54:52,254 for people to really understand what's going on. 1231 00:54:52,289 --> 00:54:53,945 I understand, Nigel, you and David 1232 00:54:53,980 --> 00:54:58,605 originally started the band back in... when was it? 1964? 1233 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,918 - So we became The Originals, - Right. 1234 00:55:00,952 --> 00:55:03,058 And we had to change our name, actually. 1235 00:55:03,092 --> 00:55:05,440 Well, there was another group in the East End 1236 00:55:05,474 --> 00:55:06,751 called The Originals. 1237 00:55:13,620 --> 00:55:18,038 I think that people who love the film loved it right away. 1238 00:55:18,073 --> 00:55:19,937 And I've had a lot of people tell me stories 1239 00:55:19,971 --> 00:55:21,007 about going to see it 1240 00:55:21,041 --> 00:55:23,699 in a half empty or completely empty theater. 1241 00:55:23,734 --> 00:55:25,839 It has to be the audience finding the film 1242 00:55:25,874 --> 00:55:27,841 rather than the film finding the audience. 1243 00:55:27,876 --> 00:55:30,982 Nobody even heard of that before. 1244 00:55:31,017 --> 00:55:32,950 This movie defined it. 1245 00:55:32,984 --> 00:55:38,058 It, you know, it started a whole stream of this style. 1246 00:55:38,093 --> 00:55:39,819 We want the parody 1247 00:55:39,853 --> 00:55:42,649 not just to be of the world that we're satirizing, 1248 00:55:42,684 --> 00:55:45,272 but we wanted to do a parody of the style, 1249 00:55:45,307 --> 00:55:47,102 of the handheld style. 1250 00:55:47,136 --> 00:55:50,277 And the best way to do that would be to improvise it. 1251 00:55:50,312 --> 00:55:51,589 The Boston gig has been canceled. 1252 00:55:51,624 --> 00:55:52,797 What? Yeah. 1253 00:55:52,832 --> 00:55:53,833 I wouldn't worry about it, though. 1254 00:55:53,867 --> 00:55:55,248 It's not a big college town. 1255 00:55:55,282 --> 00:55:59,010 So the script wasn't a script. 1256 00:55:59,045 --> 00:56:00,391 It was actually an outline. 1257 00:56:00,426 --> 00:56:02,117 And we actually tried to write the screenplay. 1258 00:56:02,151 --> 00:56:03,774 We spent about half a day. 1259 00:56:03,808 --> 00:56:05,776 We did shoot it like a documentary. 1260 00:56:05,810 --> 00:56:08,779 And documentaries, as you'll find out 1261 00:56:08,813 --> 00:56:10,194 as you put this together, you know, 1262 00:56:10,228 --> 00:56:13,887 90% of everything I'm saying is going to go away. 1263 00:56:13,922 --> 00:56:15,475 Who's in here? No one. 1264 00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:17,960 And then in here, there's a little guy. Look. 1265 00:56:17,995 --> 00:56:20,411 So it's a complete catastrophe. No, you're right. 1266 00:56:20,446 --> 00:56:22,689 The best thing obviously is it goes to 11. 1267 00:56:22,724 --> 00:56:24,622 Who's ever going to... We use that. 1268 00:56:24,657 --> 00:56:27,211 It's in our vernacular now. It's ridiculous. 1269 00:56:27,245 --> 00:56:28,626 So it's very, very special 1270 00:56:28,661 --> 00:56:30,801 because if you can see... Yeah. 1271 00:56:30,835 --> 00:56:33,942 The numbers all go to 11. 1272 00:56:33,976 --> 00:56:37,566 What we do is if we need that extra push over the cliff, 1273 00:56:37,601 --> 00:56:38,671 you know what we do? 1274 00:56:38,705 --> 00:56:40,466 Put it up to 11. 11. Exactly. 1275 00:56:40,500 --> 00:56:41,674 One louder. 1276 00:56:41,708 --> 00:56:42,951 Why don't you just make 10 louder 1277 00:56:42,985 --> 00:56:45,367 and make 10 to be the top number 1278 00:56:45,402 --> 00:56:47,542 and make that a little louder? 1279 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,546 These go to 11. 1280 00:56:51,580 --> 00:56:56,171 I'm at this fundraiser and Elon Musk comes. 1281 00:56:56,205 --> 00:56:57,483 This is years and years ago. 1282 00:56:57,517 --> 00:57:00,762 And he's got this new car that he shows me. 1283 00:57:00,796 --> 00:57:02,729 He says, look at this car. It was the Tesla. 1284 00:57:02,764 --> 00:57:04,490 It was the first Tesla ever. 1285 00:57:04,524 --> 00:57:05,939 He says, look at this. 1286 00:57:05,974 --> 00:57:07,354 I said, oh, that's a really cool looking car. 1287 00:57:07,389 --> 00:57:08,977 He says, let me show you something. 1288 00:57:09,011 --> 00:57:10,185 He takes me in the car 1289 00:57:10,219 --> 00:57:14,465 and the volume on the radio goes to 11 in the Tesla. 1290 00:57:14,500 --> 00:57:16,363 And the air-conditioning goes to 11. 1291 00:57:16,398 --> 00:57:18,711 He says, I love "Spinal Tap." I just put that in there. 1292 00:57:18,745 --> 00:57:20,816 That was like the biggest kick of all. 1293 00:57:20,851 --> 00:57:22,508 There's something so potent 1294 00:57:22,542 --> 00:57:25,752 about the fantasy of wanting to be in a rock band, 1295 00:57:25,787 --> 00:57:30,067 wanting to be a rock star, wanting to command arenas, 1296 00:57:30,101 --> 00:57:34,174 that even this group of chuckleheads 1297 00:57:34,209 --> 00:57:36,349 with their petty rivalries 1298 00:57:36,383 --> 00:57:39,214 and their ridiculous star mannerisms, 1299 00:57:39,248 --> 00:57:43,321 somehow or other we find them so compelling as human beings, 1300 00:57:43,356 --> 00:57:44,737 we want to stay with them. 1301 00:57:44,771 --> 00:57:46,946 We don't want that Odyssey to end. 1302 00:57:49,017 --> 00:57:53,262 You had in director Rob Reiner someone who loved actors, 1303 00:57:53,297 --> 00:57:56,783 who loved performers, who wanted them to make him laugh, 1304 00:57:56,818 --> 00:57:59,890 who let them go on and on and find the characters 1305 00:57:59,924 --> 00:58:02,996 and the conflicts in front of your eyes. 1306 00:58:03,031 --> 00:58:06,137 I was casting for "Princess Bride." 1307 00:58:06,172 --> 00:58:10,556 You know, Sting came in to meet with me. 1308 00:58:10,590 --> 00:58:14,456 He says, I've seen "Spinal Tap" like 50 times. 1309 00:58:14,491 --> 00:58:16,734 He says, and every time I watch it, 1310 00:58:16,769 --> 00:58:18,840 I don't know whether to laugh or cry. 1311 00:58:18,874 --> 00:58:21,705 It's genius. I mean, it really is. 1312 00:58:21,739 --> 00:58:25,329 That is the most accurate music film ever made. 1313 00:58:25,363 --> 00:58:28,781 People said they wore out the, you know, the videotape 1314 00:58:28,815 --> 00:58:30,748 when they watched it on tour buses and stuff. 1315 00:58:30,783 --> 00:58:32,716 We got a lot of that kind of stuff. 1316 00:58:32,750 --> 00:58:35,339 Because we were close to the bone. 1317 00:58:35,373 --> 00:58:39,895 Even the ridiculous parts are exactly true life. 1318 00:58:55,290 --> 00:58:59,570 This is to me the epitome of why "Spinal Tap" is good. 1319 00:58:59,605 --> 00:59:00,951 Stonehenge. 1320 00:59:00,985 --> 00:59:03,470 Best production values we've ever had on stage. 1321 00:59:03,505 --> 00:59:04,748 But we haven't got the equipment. 1322 00:59:04,782 --> 00:59:06,715 So we had this idea for Stonehenge, 1323 00:59:06,750 --> 00:59:09,269 and were going to do the theme of it 1324 00:59:09,304 --> 00:59:10,719 and he writes it on the napkin 1325 00:59:10,754 --> 00:59:13,791 and it says 18 inches, it's supposed to be 18 feet. 1326 00:59:13,826 --> 00:59:15,275 And the little thing comes down from the ceiling 1327 00:59:15,310 --> 00:59:18,140 and the dwarf stands around it, duh, duh, duh. 1328 00:59:18,175 --> 00:59:22,110 And then Black Sabbath, they come out with a tour 1329 00:59:22,144 --> 00:59:25,009 and they have a Stonehenge theme. 1330 00:59:25,044 --> 00:59:29,289 And our movie comes out about a week or two later 1331 00:59:29,324 --> 00:59:31,291 after they start the tour. 1332 00:59:31,326 --> 00:59:33,086 And they get furious at us 1333 00:59:33,121 --> 00:59:37,228 like we stole the idea of Stonehenge from them. 1334 00:59:37,263 --> 00:59:38,851 I mean, it's moronic. 1335 00:59:38,885 --> 00:59:41,198 It took us three years to make this movie. 1336 00:59:41,232 --> 00:59:44,581 I mean, what do they think, we shot the movie, edited it, 1337 00:59:44,615 --> 00:59:48,274 put it together, and got it in the theater like in a minute? 1338 00:59:48,308 --> 00:59:50,966 I mean, that's the epitome of how dumb those people are, 1339 00:59:51,001 --> 00:59:52,347 and that's why I think 1340 00:59:52,381 --> 00:59:56,731 we were successful in capturing their true nature. 1341 00:59:56,765 --> 00:59:58,595 It's such a fine line between stupid and... 1342 00:59:58,629 --> 00:59:59,734 - And clever. - Yeah. 1343 00:59:59,768 --> 01:00:01,287 It's just that little turnabout. 1344 01:00:01,321 --> 01:00:04,842 My favorite scene, the one that makes me laugh consistently 1345 01:00:04,877 --> 01:00:06,948 is Nigel's solo stuff. 1346 01:00:06,982 --> 01:00:09,744 There's about a nine minute version of just that, 1347 01:00:09,778 --> 01:00:11,124 which is all funny, by the way. 1348 01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:13,368 They just kind of grabbed the middle of it. 1349 01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:19,063 The Fred Willard stuff at the Air Force Base kills me 1350 01:00:19,098 --> 01:00:22,860 because, you know, none of us knew what he was going to say. 1351 01:00:22,895 --> 01:00:24,655 Now let me explain a bit about what's going on. 1352 01:00:24,690 --> 01:00:27,140 This is our monthly At Ease weekend. 1353 01:00:27,175 --> 01:00:29,418 It gives us a chance to kind of let down our hair, 1354 01:00:29,453 --> 01:00:32,076 although I see you all have a head start on us. 1355 01:00:32,111 --> 01:00:34,665 These haircuts wouldn't pass military muster, believe me. 1356 01:00:34,700 --> 01:00:35,873 Although I shouldn't talk. 1357 01:00:35,908 --> 01:00:37,426 My hair is getting a little shaggy, too. 1358 01:00:37,461 --> 01:00:38,669 Better not get too close to you. 1359 01:00:38,704 --> 01:00:39,877 They'll think I'm part of the band. 1360 01:00:39,912 --> 01:00:41,085 It was a great experience. 1361 01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:42,466 I mean, it was just five weeks shooting, 1362 01:00:42,500 --> 01:00:46,366 but it was 2 1/2 years getting the script together 1363 01:00:46,401 --> 01:00:47,954 and writing the backstory 1364 01:00:47,989 --> 01:00:51,026 so that we'd be improvising from the same bank of memories. 1365 01:00:51,061 --> 01:00:55,203 And then another year and a half cutting the film. 1366 01:00:55,237 --> 01:00:59,725 So it wasn't like working with some other director, you know, 1367 01:00:59,759 --> 01:01:01,865 and it wasn't like working with Rob 1368 01:01:01,899 --> 01:01:03,383 in any other film I don't think. 1369 01:01:03,418 --> 01:01:05,696 We were all the first generation of rock 'n roll, 1370 01:01:05,731 --> 01:01:06,904 all of us. 1371 01:01:06,939 --> 01:01:08,665 We were about all around the same age. 1372 01:01:08,699 --> 01:01:11,426 And so we love rock 'n' roll, 1373 01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:15,775 but we're also satirists and we can also make fun of it. 1374 01:01:15,810 --> 01:01:17,950 And I think one of the things that kind of worked... 1375 01:01:17,984 --> 01:01:19,227 and somebody was saying, you know, 1376 01:01:19,261 --> 01:01:20,780 there are heavy metal bands that watch it 1377 01:01:20,815 --> 01:01:23,196 that, you know, they're being made fun of, 1378 01:01:23,231 --> 01:01:24,715 but they still enjoy it, you know. 1379 01:01:24,750 --> 01:01:27,097 Because there's a reverence to the music 1380 01:01:27,131 --> 01:01:29,030 at the same time that we're making fun of it. 1381 01:01:30,445 --> 01:01:33,862 I think that, plus the fact that it's just funny. 1382 01:01:39,799 --> 01:01:43,596 One thing cult movies can be is truly subversive. 1383 01:01:43,630 --> 01:01:46,633 That's probably part of the appeal of a lot of cult movies. 1384 01:01:46,668 --> 01:01:48,566 I mean, you knew Russ Meyer. 1385 01:01:48,601 --> 01:01:51,017 I knew Russ, but I have to say about "Faster, Pussycat," 1386 01:01:51,052 --> 01:01:53,951 which is probably the biggest cult movie that he ever made, 1387 01:01:53,986 --> 01:01:55,781 when that movie came out, it was a bomb. 1388 01:01:55,815 --> 01:01:57,196 It did not work at all. 1389 01:01:57,230 --> 01:01:59,888 He had made all these other movies before 1390 01:01:59,923 --> 01:02:01,234 that were huge hits. 1391 01:02:01,269 --> 01:02:03,409 He started the nudie cutie, you know, 1392 01:02:03,443 --> 01:02:07,102 and then this one, there wasn't any really nudity in it 1393 01:02:07,137 --> 01:02:08,655 and it was about three lesbians. 1394 01:02:08,690 --> 01:02:10,381 So it was not a hit. 1395 01:02:10,416 --> 01:02:11,520 Ahead of its time. 1396 01:02:11,555 --> 01:02:13,315 But when I saw it at the drive-in, I went insane. 1397 01:02:13,350 --> 01:02:14,869 And we went and watched it every single night. 1398 01:02:14,903 --> 01:02:16,422 And the fact that in "Female Trouble" 1399 01:02:16,456 --> 01:02:19,252 Divine yells every line, that's because of Tura Santana. 1400 01:02:19,287 --> 01:02:22,531 And then later, I wrote about it in my book "Shock Value," 1401 01:02:22,566 --> 01:02:24,602 and I said, not only is it the best film ever made, 1402 01:02:24,637 --> 01:02:27,847 it's the best film that will be made in the future. 1403 01:02:27,882 --> 01:02:30,712 Now, that's a good blurb, right? So he used it. 1404 01:02:30,747 --> 01:02:33,232 And I did help make that one a success 1405 01:02:33,266 --> 01:02:36,200 because it was not a hit when it first came out. 1406 01:02:36,235 --> 01:02:37,305 And today you watch that movie, 1407 01:02:37,339 --> 01:02:39,238 it is a brilliant, brilliant movie. 1408 01:02:39,272 --> 01:02:41,240 The dialogue, written by Jack Moran, 1409 01:02:41,274 --> 01:02:43,242 who wrote Russ's best movies, 1410 01:02:43,276 --> 01:02:45,313 it's so good, it's so good. 1411 01:02:45,347 --> 01:02:47,556 And that opening line when they're watching the go-go girls 1412 01:02:47,591 --> 01:02:51,422 and that man's going, go, baby, go! Go! Go! 1413 01:02:51,457 --> 01:02:52,699 There's nothing better. 1414 01:02:52,734 --> 01:02:55,150 Go, baby, go! 1415 01:02:55,185 --> 01:02:57,912 - Come on, let's go! - Go, baby! 1416 01:02:57,946 --> 01:03:03,331 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to violence. 1417 01:03:03,365 --> 01:03:04,919 I can put into basically one word 1418 01:03:04,953 --> 01:03:06,748 why "Faster, Pussycat, Kill! Kill!" 1419 01:03:06,783 --> 01:03:09,371 anarchy. 1420 01:03:09,406 --> 01:03:13,479 See Russ Meyer's "Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!" 1421 01:03:13,513 --> 01:03:17,966 There's three exclamation marks in different places 1422 01:03:18,001 --> 01:03:20,141 in just the title. 1423 01:03:20,175 --> 01:03:22,143 faster. 1424 01:03:22,177 --> 01:03:23,869 pussycat. 1425 01:03:23,903 --> 01:03:25,491 Kill! Kill! 1426 01:03:25,525 --> 01:03:29,840 It's the sort of perfect title for an exploitation movie. 1427 01:03:29,875 --> 01:03:31,393 I can watch like the first half hour 1428 01:03:31,428 --> 01:03:33,740 of "Faster, Pussycat" over and over again. 1429 01:03:33,775 --> 01:03:39,022 It was probably the first women's kick ass movie. 1430 01:03:39,056 --> 01:03:40,955 But the fight, the way he directed it, 1431 01:03:40,989 --> 01:03:42,888 wasn't the least bit choreographed. 1432 01:03:42,922 --> 01:03:44,165 But you've got to be real. 1433 01:03:44,199 --> 01:03:46,063 But I don't want you to hurt each other. 1434 01:03:46,098 --> 01:03:47,651 You're not stunt women. 1435 01:03:47,685 --> 01:03:48,894 It's just weird. 1436 01:03:48,928 --> 01:03:51,172 It's a movie about these Amazon women, 1437 01:03:51,206 --> 01:03:53,174 and it's-it's-it's... 1438 01:03:53,208 --> 01:03:56,349 It's about three sexed up, violent women. 1439 01:03:56,384 --> 01:03:59,525 As they ride their hot rods around the desert 1440 01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:04,012 looking for ways to quench their insatiable lust for kicks. 1441 01:04:04,047 --> 01:04:05,324 And their adventures 1442 01:04:05,358 --> 01:04:08,603 as they run into this sort of defective family 1443 01:04:08,637 --> 01:04:09,811 out in the desert. 1444 01:04:09,846 --> 01:04:11,157 What's with the strong-armed bit, 1445 01:04:11,192 --> 01:04:12,952 or couldn't you tell I was a girl? 1446 01:04:12,987 --> 01:04:16,542 Ain't no doubt about your gender, girly. 1447 01:04:16,576 --> 01:04:19,476 They let 'em vote, smoke, and drive. 1448 01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:20,926 Even put 'em in pants. 1449 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,273 You can't even tell brother from sister 1450 01:04:23,307 --> 01:04:25,551 unless you meet 'em head-on. 1451 01:04:25,585 --> 01:04:32,523 The movie, I think of it as a first run "Thelma & Louise." 1452 01:04:34,767 --> 01:04:36,389 Go get her. 1453 01:04:36,424 --> 01:04:41,118 So I got to get wet because Lady Godiva wants to swim? 1454 01:04:41,153 --> 01:04:43,810 It started to become popular on college campuses. 1455 01:04:43,845 --> 01:04:46,089 Around the same time, 1983, 1456 01:04:46,123 --> 01:04:48,919 a punk rock band called The Cramps 1457 01:04:48,954 --> 01:04:52,405 covered the main title song, 1458 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,201 and that introduced the movie to yet a whole new audience. 1459 01:04:55,236 --> 01:04:57,065 It's such a strange little film 1460 01:04:57,100 --> 01:04:59,205 with such mean women in it. 1461 01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,932 - Yes, ma'am? - What can I do for you today? 1462 01:05:01,967 --> 01:05:04,245 - Just your job, squirrel. - Fill it up. 1463 01:05:04,279 --> 01:05:05,902 You know, that's what I believe in. 1464 01:05:05,936 --> 01:05:07,179 Seeing America first. 1465 01:05:07,213 --> 01:05:10,389 You won't find it down there, Columbus. 1466 01:05:10,423 --> 01:05:12,115 First of all, I made a picture called "Motorpsycho!" 1467 01:05:12,149 --> 01:05:13,495 and it had three bad boys. 1468 01:05:13,530 --> 01:05:16,360 It was successful. It was a drive-in type picture. 1469 01:05:16,395 --> 01:05:18,949 And then I said, well, why don't we do it with three girls? 1470 01:05:18,984 --> 01:05:21,331 And so Tura Santana was the only girl 1471 01:05:21,365 --> 01:05:23,264 who could possibly play Varla. 1472 01:05:23,298 --> 01:05:27,164 And not only possessing, you know, a capacious bosom, 1473 01:05:27,199 --> 01:05:29,270 she knew karate and judo. 1474 01:05:29,304 --> 01:05:31,928 You couldn't double this girl anyway with her figure. 1475 01:05:31,962 --> 01:05:34,447 Her mother was a Cherokee Indian 1476 01:05:34,482 --> 01:05:36,656 and her father was a Japanese chef in Chicago. 1477 01:05:36,691 --> 01:05:39,314 It's probably the closest thing that I've come 1478 01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:41,075 to doing a horror film, you know. 1479 01:05:41,109 --> 01:05:44,768 She's like the evil horrific person. 1480 01:05:44,802 --> 01:05:46,425 You know she's going to die. 1481 01:05:46,459 --> 01:05:48,461 A lot of the directors of today 1482 01:05:48,496 --> 01:05:51,775 cite that film as a great inspiration for their careers. 1483 01:05:51,809 --> 01:05:53,259 Russ Meyer, Federico Fellini, 1484 01:05:53,294 --> 01:05:56,469 they created their own genres and were their own genres. 1485 01:05:56,504 --> 01:05:58,955 It's weird to compare Fellini and Russ Meyer, 1486 01:05:58,989 --> 01:06:01,474 but in a way somehow I feel it makes sense. 1487 01:06:01,509 --> 01:06:02,924 I don't think I'm going out on a limb 1488 01:06:02,959 --> 01:06:04,477 when I tell you that Russ Meyer 1489 01:06:04,512 --> 01:06:08,412 had an obsession with big breasts. 1490 01:06:08,447 --> 01:06:10,725 Now's where you cut to a montage 1491 01:06:10,759 --> 01:06:14,108 of all the Russ Meyer films that show big breasts. 1492 01:06:14,142 --> 01:06:16,006 But merely to write Russ Meyer off 1493 01:06:16,041 --> 01:06:18,871 as merely a common exploitation filmmaker 1494 01:06:18,905 --> 01:06:20,321 is to do his legacy 1495 01:06:20,355 --> 01:06:21,736 and his contribution to the world of cinema 1496 01:06:21,770 --> 01:06:23,082 a dramatic disservice. 1497 01:06:23,117 --> 01:06:24,601 Because when you watch his movies, 1498 01:06:24,635 --> 01:06:27,707 they're just colorful and fun and pop and comic book, 1499 01:06:27,742 --> 01:06:29,157 and they're just great. 1500 01:06:29,192 --> 01:06:31,573 You know, serious filmmakers started to figure out 1501 01:06:31,608 --> 01:06:32,781 that Russ Meyer 1502 01:06:32,816 --> 01:06:35,612 was not just your average exploitation filmmaker. 1503 01:06:35,646 --> 01:06:39,271 There was something much more artful going on here. 1504 01:06:39,305 --> 01:06:44,759 Russ Meyer is the only filmmaker who wrote, directed, cast, 1505 01:06:44,793 --> 01:06:49,557 shot, edited, and distributed his own films. 1506 01:06:49,591 --> 01:06:54,251 So his singular voice is what you get 1507 01:06:54,286 --> 01:06:56,150 when you watch a Russ Meyer film. 1508 01:06:56,184 --> 01:07:00,637 - Easy, baby. - You're almost a fire hazard. 1509 01:07:00,671 --> 01:07:01,534 Give your hips a rest. 1510 01:07:01,569 --> 01:07:04,261 My motor never runs down, baby. 1511 01:07:04,296 --> 01:07:05,573 "Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!" is another one 1512 01:07:05,607 --> 01:07:07,609 that I remember seeing in the early days 1513 01:07:07,644 --> 01:07:09,128 of like right when I moved to New York City 1514 01:07:09,163 --> 01:07:10,198 because that's where you could see everything. 1515 01:07:10,233 --> 01:07:11,372 And I went to see it 1516 01:07:11,406 --> 01:07:13,339 and it was just phenomenal. 1517 01:07:13,374 --> 01:07:16,653 For a film like that 1518 01:07:16,687 --> 01:07:20,346 on that budget, $45,000? 1519 01:07:20,381 --> 01:07:25,386 You can't shoot my cat for $45,000. 1520 01:07:25,420 --> 01:07:27,664 But again, it's a director, Russ Meyer, 1521 01:07:27,698 --> 01:07:30,908 with intense vision that nobody else has. 1522 01:07:36,224 --> 01:07:37,812 And I think Russ Meyer, you know, 1523 01:07:37,846 --> 01:07:43,231 takes these very sort of extreme sexualized violence images 1524 01:07:43,266 --> 01:07:45,371 and he does them in a really slick way, 1525 01:07:45,406 --> 01:07:48,581 and I think that's, you know, alluring 1526 01:07:48,616 --> 01:07:50,169 and it's almost like a drug. 1527 01:07:50,204 --> 01:07:53,379 You just want more because you're so stimulated. 1528 01:07:54,380 --> 01:07:57,659 Me Jane, you Tarzan. 1529 01:07:57,694 --> 01:08:00,248 Now why don't you drop that tree you're holding 1530 01:08:00,283 --> 01:08:02,595 and let's grab a vine and swing a little, huh? 1531 01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:06,220 Because it's not just because it's chicks with big boobs. 1532 01:08:06,254 --> 01:08:08,463 Yeah, that's like everything. Who cares? 1533 01:08:08,498 --> 01:08:10,810 The cinematography is phenomenal. 1534 01:08:10,845 --> 01:08:13,330 I mean, the beautiful stark black and white imagery, 1535 01:08:13,365 --> 01:08:15,953 it looks as beautiful as any John Ford western. 1536 01:08:15,988 --> 01:08:19,578 Some of the dialogue, which isn't what you'd call elegant, 1537 01:08:19,612 --> 01:08:22,581 but when one of them says "like a velvet fist 1538 01:08:22,615 --> 01:08:24,445 wrapped in iron," or something like that... 1539 01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,999 In California, they're called accessories to the crime. 1540 01:08:27,033 --> 01:08:29,070 Oh, you're cute. 1541 01:08:29,105 --> 01:08:31,693 Like a velvet glove cast in iron 1542 01:08:31,728 --> 01:08:35,456 and like the gas chamber, Varla, a real fun gal. 1543 01:08:35,490 --> 01:08:37,630 I've never heard that anywhere else. 1544 01:08:37,665 --> 01:08:39,287 I've never read that anywhere else. 1545 01:08:39,322 --> 01:08:42,014 And I'm seeing it in a movie like this? 1546 01:08:42,048 --> 01:08:43,395 These women are villains, 1547 01:08:43,429 --> 01:08:46,812 but because they're so sexy, 1548 01:08:46,846 --> 01:08:48,607 it confuses the brain. 1549 01:08:48,641 --> 01:08:50,471 And the thing that Russ Meyer 1550 01:08:50,505 --> 01:08:53,750 was bringing into the world of cinema 1551 01:08:53,784 --> 01:08:54,785 really for the first time, 1552 01:08:54,820 --> 01:08:58,513 which is this, you know, not just feminism, 1553 01:08:58,548 --> 01:09:04,519 but this all out female fury 1554 01:09:04,554 --> 01:09:07,108 that just couldn't be contained. 1555 01:09:07,143 --> 01:09:09,731 That was way ahead of its time. 1556 01:09:09,766 --> 01:09:11,285 Are you trying to say something? 1557 01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:14,460 - I never try anything. - I just do it. 1558 01:09:14,495 --> 01:09:18,119 I am tied to this chair for life. 1559 01:09:18,154 --> 01:09:19,465 Better you should be nailed to it. 1560 01:09:19,500 --> 01:09:24,263 They all had this... 1561 01:09:24,298 --> 01:09:26,023 these personal idiosyncrasies. 1562 01:09:26,058 --> 01:09:27,646 Of directors I've worked with, 1563 01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:32,651 Russ would be way up at the top 1564 01:09:32,685 --> 01:09:36,102 because of his no-nonsense, his speed. 1565 01:09:36,137 --> 01:09:37,794 He was quick. 1566 01:09:37,828 --> 01:09:39,796 You had to pick up quick. 1567 01:09:39,830 --> 01:09:43,144 That title and that movie combined 1568 01:09:43,179 --> 01:09:46,803 is just cult movie gold. 1569 01:09:55,950 --> 01:09:59,125 It's better to be part of something than to be left out. 1570 01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:03,406 What Martin Scorsese did for The Band in "The Last Waltz" 1571 01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:04,579 is what Penelope Spheeris does 1572 01:10:04,614 --> 01:10:08,825 for X and Black Flag in those bands. 1573 01:10:08,859 --> 01:10:11,310 I always say I was born a punk and I'll die a punk. 1574 01:10:11,345 --> 01:10:12,553 1, 2, 3, 4! 1575 01:10:22,218 --> 01:10:24,254 A cult film is a film 1576 01:10:24,289 --> 01:10:30,674 that is profoundly special and informative 1577 01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:34,506 in a way that normal, mainstream, stupid, 1578 01:10:34,540 --> 01:10:38,579 common denominator idiots can't understand. 1579 01:10:38,613 --> 01:10:40,788 Can a documentary be a cult film? Absolutely. 1580 01:10:40,822 --> 01:10:44,481 Because the Penelope Spheeris movies were about cult music. 1581 01:10:44,516 --> 01:10:46,897 And we got arrested the other night at Blackie's 1582 01:10:46,932 --> 01:10:50,556 for playing punk rock music. 1583 01:10:50,591 --> 01:10:52,869 Well, I think what made "The Decline" 1584 01:10:52,903 --> 01:10:58,771 become such a lasting cult film is just the fact 1585 01:10:58,806 --> 01:11:04,501 that it was one of the very few documents of that era. 1586 01:11:04,536 --> 01:11:06,779 You know, everybody's got an iPhone today 1587 01:11:06,814 --> 01:11:08,367 and everybody can shoot everything, 1588 01:11:08,402 --> 01:11:09,886 so there ain't going to be nothing special about it, 1589 01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:10,921 you know what I mean? 1590 01:11:10,956 --> 01:11:15,547 Each teenage generation needs an identity. 1591 01:11:15,581 --> 01:11:19,275 They want to be different than the generations before them. 1592 01:11:19,309 --> 01:11:22,726 They need to carve out something that is special for them, 1593 01:11:22,761 --> 01:11:26,351 and punk rock did that for that generation of young people. 1594 01:11:26,385 --> 01:11:28,905 We were trying to change something. 1595 01:11:28,939 --> 01:11:31,908 The music industry, the way we live, you know, 1596 01:11:31,942 --> 01:11:35,394 to be accepted any way we want to, you know. 1597 01:11:35,429 --> 01:11:37,431 I think Penelope had an agenda, 1598 01:11:37,465 --> 01:11:40,951 and I understand it at this point. 1599 01:11:40,986 --> 01:11:44,507 At that point, seeing it, I didn't understand it. 1600 01:11:50,927 --> 01:11:52,998 The punk rock scene in L.A. was splitting, 1601 01:11:53,032 --> 01:11:55,518 and there was all this, you know, violent... 1602 01:11:55,552 --> 01:11:58,555 recent violent influx. 1603 01:12:03,146 --> 01:12:05,148 It was hurtful because we had 1604 01:12:05,182 --> 01:12:08,841 a pretty eclectic, cool scene going 1605 01:12:08,876 --> 01:12:12,017 for three years prior to that, from '77 to '80. 1606 01:12:12,051 --> 01:12:15,883 So seeing it just as this weird, violent, 1607 01:12:15,917 --> 01:12:21,164 dark, nihilistic scene is true at that point, 1608 01:12:21,198 --> 01:12:23,925 but it dismisses everything that came before it. 1609 01:12:31,968 --> 01:12:37,629 Not only music but, you know, clothing trends 1610 01:12:37,663 --> 01:12:40,873 and culture and morals and everything else. 1611 01:12:40,908 --> 01:12:43,220 And the timing of it is so crucial. 1612 01:12:43,255 --> 01:12:44,636 I mean, the punk scene almost died 1613 01:12:44,670 --> 01:12:46,741 by the time the movie came out, you know. 1614 01:12:46,776 --> 01:12:49,848 Darby Crash, one of her stars, literally died that same year. 1615 01:12:49,882 --> 01:12:53,783 And what she wound up filming was this time capsule 1616 01:12:53,817 --> 01:12:55,612 that showed people what was happening, 1617 01:12:55,647 --> 01:12:57,131 the madness that was happening. 1618 01:13:00,445 --> 01:13:02,481 The homemade tattoos 1619 01:13:02,516 --> 01:13:05,415 and the people moshing in the pits 1620 01:13:05,450 --> 01:13:06,761 and beating each other up. 1621 01:13:06,796 --> 01:13:08,763 It's almost like capturing a butterfly 1622 01:13:08,798 --> 01:13:10,869 and just imprisoning it in film 1623 01:13:10,903 --> 01:13:12,905 so we can all see what that was like. 1624 01:13:12,940 --> 01:13:15,425 When I go to concerts, it's like my friends 1625 01:13:15,460 --> 01:13:17,807 get beat up by my friends, you know. 1626 01:13:17,841 --> 01:13:20,741 Then it's like, fuck, you know. 1627 01:13:20,775 --> 01:13:22,743 Because like they're not beating up the right people. 1628 01:13:22,777 --> 01:13:25,228 They're not beating up the fucking posers. 1629 01:13:25,262 --> 01:13:28,404 They're beating up just like just my friends. 1630 01:13:28,438 --> 01:13:29,922 It's fucked, you know. 1631 01:13:29,957 --> 01:13:32,787 At the core of it, it was questioning everything. 1632 01:13:32,822 --> 01:13:36,239 And it started with music, yeah, okay, 1633 01:13:36,273 --> 01:13:40,036 no more guitar solos, no more love songs, you know. 1634 01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:41,796 No more being nice, 1635 01:13:41,831 --> 01:13:44,661 no more like posing for the camera. No. 1636 01:13:44,696 --> 01:13:46,732 It was all fuck the camera, you know. 1637 01:13:46,767 --> 01:13:50,115 I like making a spectacle of myself. 1638 01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:51,565 I'm a total rebel. 1639 01:13:51,599 --> 01:13:54,878 I rebel against everything. 1640 01:13:54,913 --> 01:13:58,779 I guess I'm an alcoholic. 1641 01:13:58,813 --> 01:14:01,471 It was so liberating for women back then 1642 01:14:01,506 --> 01:14:05,579 because all of a sudden you didn't have to be, you know, 1643 01:14:05,613 --> 01:14:07,132 a Barbie doll, you know. 1644 01:14:07,166 --> 01:14:10,653 Matter of fact, kind of the uglier and fatter 1645 01:14:10,687 --> 01:14:13,414 and bigger your combat boots were, 1646 01:14:13,449 --> 01:14:15,451 the better and cooler you were. 1647 01:14:15,485 --> 01:14:16,900 And then I would go to punk rock shows, 1648 01:14:16,935 --> 01:14:18,246 and I would go, you know what? 1649 01:14:18,281 --> 01:14:19,524 I'm going to document this, 1650 01:14:19,558 --> 01:14:21,698 because something feels important about this. 1651 01:14:21,733 --> 01:14:26,600 I didn't know that its effect would be as heavy as it is 1652 01:14:26,634 --> 01:14:28,222 and it would last this long, 1653 01:14:28,256 --> 01:14:31,536 but I did feel instinctively it was important. 1654 01:14:31,570 --> 01:14:35,850 It wasn't that difficult to get the first "Decline" financed 1655 01:14:35,885 --> 01:14:38,681 because my friend said he knew a guy 1656 01:14:38,715 --> 01:14:40,165 that wanted to do a porno movie, 1657 01:14:40,199 --> 01:14:44,100 and I said, well, I'm not going to do a porno movie, 1658 01:14:44,134 --> 01:14:45,342 but how about punk rock? 1659 01:14:45,377 --> 01:14:47,241 And so I took him to a Germs concert 1660 01:14:47,275 --> 01:14:53,178 and I told him it would be $12,000 on Super 8. 1661 01:14:53,212 --> 01:14:58,701 And it ended up costing 10 times that on 16. 1662 01:14:58,735 --> 01:15:00,737 Penelope's Spheeris's style of filmmaking, 1663 01:15:00,772 --> 01:15:02,567 you get the sense that she's just in the room. 1664 01:15:02,601 --> 01:15:06,191 She's making a documentary as punk as the people themselves. 1665 01:15:06,225 --> 01:15:08,711 In that film, we were presenting ourselves 1666 01:15:08,745 --> 01:15:13,681 as who we were, which were Bohemians. 1667 01:15:13,716 --> 01:15:14,820 Well, we're not rich. 1668 01:15:14,855 --> 01:15:16,235 We got enough money to pay our rent 1669 01:15:16,270 --> 01:15:17,754 and, you know, 1670 01:15:17,789 --> 01:15:20,377 we bought the ink and the pins. 1671 01:15:20,412 --> 01:15:23,311 We weren't wondering, is this going to be good for my image? 1672 01:15:23,346 --> 01:15:24,761 A lot of people do assume 1673 01:15:24,796 --> 01:15:27,764 that a lot of the bands might not have been happy 1674 01:15:27,799 --> 01:15:30,629 with their performance or their portrayal. 1675 01:15:30,664 --> 01:15:32,942 Too bad. Show me in the contract 1676 01:15:32,976 --> 01:15:34,702 where it says that the band member 1677 01:15:34,737 --> 01:15:37,049 has the right to tell me how I can cut the movie. 1678 01:15:37,084 --> 01:15:40,363 So we were all high and, you know, doing tattoos, 1679 01:15:40,397 --> 01:15:44,954 and we just thought it would be, you know, a weird environment, 1680 01:15:44,988 --> 01:15:48,647 but not completely out of the ordinary. 1681 01:15:48,682 --> 01:15:51,650 I might have brought over some beer, 1682 01:15:51,685 --> 01:15:54,066 but I not did bring over the heroin, okay? 1683 01:15:54,101 --> 01:15:57,173 So anybody that accuses me of getting 'em loaded 1684 01:15:57,207 --> 01:16:02,074 so I could film them and they would look stupid can fuck off. 1685 01:16:02,109 --> 01:16:06,251 Because, yeah, I brought a sixpack, I'll cop to that. 1686 01:16:06,285 --> 01:16:09,703 We could not get a theater to screen the film in 1687 01:16:09,737 --> 01:16:11,739 because the theater owners 1688 01:16:11,774 --> 01:16:14,639 said no one would come to the screening 1689 01:16:14,673 --> 01:16:16,882 because nobody cared about punk rock. 1690 01:16:16,917 --> 01:16:20,921 And so I actually was able to talk the guy 1691 01:16:20,955 --> 01:16:23,889 that ran the Hollywood Theater on Hollywood Boulevard 1692 01:16:23,924 --> 01:16:27,652 into letting us have just one midnight screening. 1693 01:16:27,686 --> 01:16:29,792 Yeah, it was a 1,200 seat theater 1694 01:16:29,826 --> 01:16:32,346 and 3,000 people showed up. 1695 01:16:32,380 --> 01:16:36,350 And honestly, it was almost 300 motorcycle cops 1696 01:16:36,384 --> 01:16:37,972 had been sent out, 1697 01:16:38,007 --> 01:16:42,045 and Chief Daryl Gates wrote us a letter 1698 01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,945 and said don't show this movie in Los Angeles again. 1699 01:16:44,979 --> 01:16:46,153 And almost the film itself 1700 01:16:46,187 --> 01:16:47,775 becomes like this punk totem, you know. 1701 01:16:47,810 --> 01:16:49,259 It was hard to see. 1702 01:16:49,294 --> 01:16:52,124 People are passing around VHS tapes from one to another. 1703 01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:53,954 You had to be cool and underground 1704 01:16:53,988 --> 01:16:56,370 to be able to see the film in the first place. 1705 01:16:56,404 --> 01:17:01,099 Even Dave Grohl said he was like handed "The Decline," 1706 01:17:01,133 --> 01:17:03,653 the first "Decline" like contraband by his cousin. 1707 01:17:03,688 --> 01:17:06,138 It was like, don't tell our parents, but here, look at this. 1708 01:17:06,173 --> 01:17:09,832 I don't really see a movement that's happened since then 1709 01:17:09,866 --> 01:17:13,076 that has had such an impact 1710 01:17:13,111 --> 01:17:15,527 and made such a difference, you know. 1711 01:17:15,561 --> 01:17:19,704 Yeah, once you take a picture, the picture's there. 1712 01:17:19,738 --> 01:17:21,982 I didn't know when I made "The Decline" 1713 01:17:22,016 --> 01:17:25,813 that it was going to have such a lasting effect. 1714 01:17:25,848 --> 01:17:29,299 And I didn't set out to make history. 1715 01:17:29,334 --> 01:17:33,096 I didn't set out to have the film be inducted 1716 01:17:33,131 --> 01:17:37,307 into the Library of Congress National Film Registry, 1717 01:17:37,342 --> 01:17:38,688 which it was last year. 1718 01:17:38,723 --> 01:17:44,556 These kids identified with it, and it made them who they were, 1719 01:17:44,590 --> 01:17:46,178 and for that, they were grateful. 1720 01:17:46,213 --> 01:17:49,630 And for that, I'm grateful, you know, that I could help. 1721 01:17:50,666 --> 01:17:52,115 Precinct 13. 1722 01:17:52,150 --> 01:17:55,187 Cut off. Isolated in the middle of the city 1723 01:17:55,222 --> 01:17:57,086 as a human wave of street killers 1724 01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,260 turns the night into a nightmare. 1725 01:17:59,295 --> 01:18:02,988 The movie is about a young police officer 1726 01:18:03,023 --> 01:18:05,784 who has a desk job at the precinct. 1727 01:18:05,819 --> 01:18:08,476 And suddenly he's thrown out to the wolves. 1728 01:18:08,511 --> 01:18:11,617 Basically a modern cowboys and Indians movie. 1729 01:18:11,652 --> 01:18:17,071 It's a siege film in which a precinct is under attack 1730 01:18:17,106 --> 01:18:19,591 by a bunch of gang members. 1731 01:18:19,625 --> 01:18:22,456 He has to deal with the bad guys. 1732 01:18:22,490 --> 01:18:24,078 He has to shoot and kill people. 1733 01:18:24,113 --> 01:18:25,735 He doesn't know who he's killing. 1734 01:18:25,770 --> 01:18:28,565 He is being threatened. Maybe he's going to be killed. 1735 01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,983 If "Assault on Precinct 13" is considered a great cult movie, 1736 01:18:32,017 --> 01:18:34,019 it's because it delivers the goods. 1737 01:18:34,054 --> 01:18:36,125 A lot of movies promise things 1738 01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:38,679 from the trailer or from the poster. 1739 01:18:38,714 --> 01:18:40,785 I think the tagline in it 1740 01:18:40,819 --> 01:18:43,753 was "a white-hot night of hate" in the movie, 1741 01:18:43,788 --> 01:18:45,030 and this really delivers. 1742 01:18:45,065 --> 01:18:46,480 John Carpenter talked openly 1743 01:18:46,514 --> 01:18:49,621 about it being "Rio Bravo" as an inspiration. 1744 01:18:49,655 --> 01:18:52,797 "Assault on Precinct 13" is one of the great cult movies 1745 01:18:52,831 --> 01:18:56,007 because it still remains pretty shocking. 1746 01:18:56,041 --> 01:18:57,871 With that little girl, Kim Richards, 1747 01:18:57,905 --> 01:19:00,459 gets blown away eating her ice cream cone... 1748 01:19:00,494 --> 01:19:01,978 I wanted vanilla twist. 1749 01:19:02,013 --> 01:19:05,948 And it was a real shot to the solar plexus. 1750 01:19:05,982 --> 01:19:08,640 When we submitted it to the MPAA, 1751 01:19:08,674 --> 01:19:11,781 we thought it would get a PG rating. 1752 01:19:11,816 --> 01:19:13,472 There was no PG-13 at the time. 1753 01:19:13,507 --> 01:19:19,271 We were very surprised if not outright shocked 1754 01:19:19,306 --> 01:19:21,998 to hear it had gotten an X rating. 1755 01:19:22,033 --> 01:19:26,762 Basically, the MPAA demanded that scene be cut. 1756 01:19:26,796 --> 01:19:28,764 There was no coverage on that scene 1757 01:19:28,798 --> 01:19:30,420 in case there was a problem. 1758 01:19:30,455 --> 01:19:32,043 We had not anticipated this. 1759 01:19:32,077 --> 01:19:33,803 It was just shot the one way. 1760 01:19:33,838 --> 01:19:35,909 There was no way to cut around it. 1761 01:19:35,943 --> 01:19:38,497 What we did is we took one of the prints 1762 01:19:38,532 --> 01:19:42,398 and we cut about two little pieces of film 1763 01:19:42,432 --> 01:19:44,814 which added up to about a second and a half of footage, 1764 01:19:44,849 --> 01:19:46,816 and resubmitted that to the MPAA 1765 01:19:46,851 --> 01:19:48,887 and got the R rating on it. 1766 01:19:48,922 --> 01:19:50,406 Roger Corman does this all the time. 1767 01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:54,030 He takes the movie that the MPAA has demanded cuts 1768 01:19:54,065 --> 01:19:57,723 and it just puts it out the way it was originally edited. 1769 01:19:57,758 --> 01:19:59,346 The experience making this movie 1770 01:19:59,380 --> 01:20:03,695 was one that I hope I would have every time I work. 1771 01:20:03,729 --> 01:20:05,524 It's a goddamn siege. 1772 01:20:05,559 --> 01:20:06,836 When I got cast in that movie, 1773 01:20:06,871 --> 01:20:09,666 I knew nothing about who John Carpenter was. 1774 01:20:09,701 --> 01:20:11,668 He didn't know who I was. I didn't know who he was. 1775 01:20:11,703 --> 01:20:13,878 But we hit it off immediately. 1776 01:20:13,912 --> 01:20:15,155 I was not surprised 1777 01:20:15,189 --> 01:20:17,847 that John Carpenter would become successful. 1778 01:20:17,882 --> 01:20:20,125 I think what convinced the investors 1779 01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,404 was that he had sold a script to Barbra Streisand. 1780 01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:26,925 That's not a small thing for a guy just out of USC to do. 1781 01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:28,409 The toughest challenge for me 1782 01:20:28,444 --> 01:20:31,654 was the fact that my character was not really a soldier. 1783 01:20:31,688 --> 01:20:34,622 He was working in an office, a clerk wearing a uniform. 1784 01:20:34,657 --> 01:20:38,419 And now you're faced with a gang that's coming at you 1785 01:20:38,454 --> 01:20:42,389 with 19 guys with God knows what coming to kill you. 1786 01:20:42,423 --> 01:20:46,945 I got three shots. That's enough. 1787 01:20:46,980 --> 01:20:49,948 Can't argue with a confident man. 1788 01:20:49,983 --> 01:20:52,606 The precise calibration of comedy, 1789 01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,366 this very dry kind of comedy... 1790 01:20:54,401 --> 01:20:56,644 - You're not a psychopath. - You're not stupid. 1791 01:20:56,679 --> 01:20:58,163 I am an asshole. 1792 01:20:58,198 --> 01:21:05,101 And the suspense make for something that over time 1793 01:21:05,136 --> 01:21:07,207 appealed to audiences more and more, 1794 01:21:07,241 --> 01:21:10,003 and they really got it more and more as time went on. 1795 01:21:13,592 --> 01:21:16,112 It cost about $285,000. 1796 01:21:16,147 --> 01:21:18,528 It took a very long time to make money. 1797 01:21:18,563 --> 01:21:20,565 It just played around in grind houses, 1798 01:21:20,599 --> 01:21:25,501 and it did get into this one big theater in Los Angeles. 1799 01:21:25,535 --> 01:21:26,743 The first week 1800 01:21:26,778 --> 01:21:29,436 it played with Jack Hill's "Switchblade Sisters." 1801 01:21:29,470 --> 01:21:30,886 That's a great double feature, isn't it? 1802 01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,611 That's a terrific double feature. 1803 01:21:32,646 --> 01:21:36,546 So apparently it was gaining kind of momentum 1804 01:21:36,581 --> 01:21:38,686 with the home video, 1805 01:21:38,721 --> 01:21:42,173 and in the Los Angeles area, it played on Z Channel. 1806 01:21:42,207 --> 01:21:44,037 There was like a cinema tech 1807 01:21:44,071 --> 01:21:46,211 on the TV station that was phenomenal. 1808 01:21:46,246 --> 01:21:50,353 There's never been anything like it before or since. 1809 01:21:50,388 --> 01:21:54,979 It was treated as like a cult classic at that time. 1810 01:21:55,013 --> 01:21:57,119 You cannot intend to make a cult movie. 1811 01:21:57,153 --> 01:21:58,914 "Assault on Precinct 13." 1812 01:21:58,948 --> 01:22:00,260 We got a war going on down here, 1813 01:22:00,294 --> 01:22:02,020 and we can't find the damn thing. 1814 01:22:02,055 --> 01:22:04,885 Anybody trying to intentionally make a cult movie 1815 01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:06,300 is bound to fail. 1816 01:22:06,335 --> 01:22:09,441 It feels like it's kind of turned a corner to me, 1817 01:22:09,476 --> 01:22:12,962 that it's not just a cult film, 1818 01:22:12,997 --> 01:22:16,448 but it's really become like a classic film in some sense. 1819 01:22:16,483 --> 01:22:20,383 After 40 years, I am still so amazed 1820 01:22:20,418 --> 01:22:24,387 at this new generation of fans from everywhere 1821 01:22:24,422 --> 01:22:26,942 coming to see this movie and appreciating what I did. 1822 01:22:26,976 --> 01:22:28,564 That is something, I mean, 1823 01:22:28,598 --> 01:22:31,739 I can't tell you how much, how deeply I appreciate that. 1824 01:22:31,774 --> 01:22:33,534 I could never live it down. 1825 01:22:33,569 --> 01:22:38,125 I feel like I've done something that could never be repeated. 1826 01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,922 One of the cult directors that I knew personally 1827 01:22:41,957 --> 01:22:47,100 was Sam Fuller, who was quite a character, an ex-newspaperman. 1828 01:22:47,134 --> 01:22:49,343 He had a style that was a little primitive, 1829 01:22:49,378 --> 01:22:51,587 but he was a great filmmaker 1830 01:22:51,621 --> 01:22:54,693 and he had a great nose for tabloid stories. 1831 01:22:54,728 --> 01:22:56,247 The cult of his movies 1832 01:22:56,281 --> 01:22:59,975 is based entirely on who made them, on him. 1833 01:23:00,009 --> 01:23:01,114 "The Naked Kiss" is about 1834 01:23:01,148 --> 01:23:02,356 when you kiss someone the first time, 1835 01:23:02,391 --> 01:23:04,496 you can tell they're a child molester. 1836 01:23:04,531 --> 01:23:08,086 You can feel it from the one little kiss, 1837 01:23:08,121 --> 01:23:09,605 and that is what it's about. 1838 01:23:09,639 --> 01:23:15,473 Under the guise of a small town, very sentimental movie, 1839 01:23:15,507 --> 01:23:16,681 because it's got little crippled children in it. 1840 01:23:16,715 --> 01:23:18,303 It's still berserk-ish in parts. 1841 01:23:18,338 --> 01:23:20,996 Oh, when she's in love and those shots in Venice. 1842 01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:24,102 Oh, my God. It's jaw-dropping. 1843 01:23:24,137 --> 01:23:26,139 It is. It's kind of schizophrenic. 1844 01:23:26,173 --> 01:23:27,519 But it's a dark movie. 1845 01:23:27,554 --> 01:23:31,075 And also, the people in his movies 1846 01:23:31,109 --> 01:23:33,353 are not quite beautiful. 1847 01:23:33,387 --> 01:23:36,528 Like they fit his genre. 1848 01:23:36,563 --> 01:23:39,393 I think that's the added appeal. 1849 01:23:39,428 --> 01:23:41,085 And that opening credits scene, though, 1850 01:23:41,119 --> 01:23:42,810 is one of the best opening credits ever. 1851 01:23:42,845 --> 01:23:44,157 Because it's this hooker, 1852 01:23:44,191 --> 01:23:47,298 and he rips her wig off and then she's bald. 1853 01:23:47,332 --> 01:23:49,472 And then she beats him over the face with her pocketbook 1854 01:23:49,507 --> 01:23:50,818 and then picks up a fire extinguisher 1855 01:23:50,853 --> 01:23:52,027 and squirts it in his face. 1856 01:23:52,061 --> 01:23:53,511 It is great. 1857 01:23:55,996 --> 01:24:00,414 "The Naked Kiss" begins with a tall blonde prostitute 1858 01:24:00,449 --> 01:24:02,037 in the midst of beating up her pimp. 1859 01:24:02,071 --> 01:24:04,625 Well, I think a lot of Sammy's pictures became cult films 1860 01:24:04,660 --> 01:24:07,387 because they were really out there. 1861 01:24:07,421 --> 01:24:11,667 That opening sequence is pretty startling. 1862 01:24:20,607 --> 01:24:21,642 You parasite! 1863 01:24:21,677 --> 01:24:23,679 I'm taking only what's coming to me. 1864 01:24:23,713 --> 01:24:26,371 Hearing with the likes of Martin Scorsese 1865 01:24:26,406 --> 01:24:30,203 on "the Tonight Show," say the opening of "The Naked Kiss" 1866 01:24:30,237 --> 01:24:32,826 was the greatest opening I've ever seen. 1867 01:24:32,860 --> 01:24:37,106 "Naked Kiss" is an extremely low budget Samuel Fuller film. 1868 01:24:37,141 --> 01:24:38,314 It tells the story 1869 01:24:38,349 --> 01:24:40,420 of a prostitute that gets into trouble, 1870 01:24:40,454 --> 01:24:44,009 and she decides to start a new life for herself. 1871 01:24:44,044 --> 01:24:45,563 She flees and she ends up 1872 01:24:45,597 --> 01:24:47,530 in a town that doesn't know who she is, 1873 01:24:47,565 --> 01:24:51,155 and she gets a job working with handicapped kids 1874 01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:53,778 and she becomes kind of respectable, 1875 01:24:53,812 --> 01:24:55,297 although people seem to think 1876 01:24:55,331 --> 01:24:56,677 there's something strange about her. 1877 01:24:56,712 --> 01:24:59,611 A hooker moving in with the town virgin. 1878 01:24:59,646 --> 01:25:00,647 What an act! 1879 01:25:00,681 --> 01:25:03,270 I saw a broken down piece of machinery, 1880 01:25:03,305 --> 01:25:05,686 nothing but the buck, the bed, and the bottle 1881 01:25:05,721 --> 01:25:06,929 for the rest of my life. 1882 01:25:06,963 --> 01:25:11,140 She becomes the fiancée of this top guy in society. 1883 01:25:12,417 --> 01:25:15,420 And there's something weird about him. 1884 01:25:15,455 --> 01:25:18,354 And basically he's a child molester. 1885 01:25:18,389 --> 01:25:20,356 Well, Sammy's pictures could be very shocking, 1886 01:25:20,391 --> 01:25:23,635 and the subject matter is dark. 1887 01:25:23,670 --> 01:25:25,879 You are playing the first pedophile 1888 01:25:25,913 --> 01:25:27,777 in the history of our business. 1889 01:25:27,812 --> 01:25:30,746 And he said, that's why I want you. 1890 01:25:30,780 --> 01:25:32,127 You're just perfect. 1891 01:25:32,161 --> 01:25:33,956 He said, you won't get the recognition 1892 01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:35,302 for the job you did 1893 01:25:35,337 --> 01:25:39,996 and the guts you had to play this character 1894 01:25:40,031 --> 01:25:42,861 until 30, 40 years down the road. 1895 01:25:42,896 --> 01:25:47,038 Now you know why I could never marry a normal woman. 1896 01:25:47,072 --> 01:25:49,385 That's why I love you. 1897 01:25:49,420 --> 01:25:52,354 You understand my sickness. 1898 01:25:52,388 --> 01:25:57,428 And it's basically her, who has no credibility, 1899 01:25:57,462 --> 01:25:59,913 against the main guy in town. 1900 01:25:59,947 --> 01:26:02,122 I'm going to keep asking you the same question 1901 01:26:02,157 --> 01:26:03,434 until you tell me the truth. 1902 01:26:03,468 --> 01:26:04,918 Why did you kill him? 1903 01:26:04,952 --> 01:26:07,058 He was molesting a child. 1904 01:26:07,092 --> 01:26:11,373 Oh, I got the same taste the first time Grant kissed me. 1905 01:26:11,407 --> 01:26:15,549 It's what we call a naked kiss. 1906 01:26:15,584 --> 01:26:17,413 It's the sign of a pervert. 1907 01:26:17,448 --> 01:26:19,415 "Naked Kiss" became a cult classic 1908 01:26:19,450 --> 01:26:22,832 because it was a different side of the director Sam Fuller 1909 01:26:22,867 --> 01:26:24,938 that people weren't that familiar with. 1910 01:26:24,972 --> 01:26:27,423 Sam Fuller was a tough guy. 1911 01:26:27,458 --> 01:26:30,633 He was a former journalist, a tabloid writer. 1912 01:26:30,668 --> 01:26:35,155 And Sammy made pictures that were like newspaper headlines. 1913 01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:37,364 Hit you in the face. 1914 01:26:42,576 --> 01:26:45,338 And he made a lot of terrific film noirs 1915 01:26:45,372 --> 01:26:47,409 and a lot of war films. 1916 01:26:47,443 --> 01:26:49,549 I was in the hands of Sammy Fuller, 1917 01:26:49,583 --> 01:26:51,861 and his reputation preceded him. 1918 01:26:51,896 --> 01:26:54,899 This was the Sam Fuller that pushed the envelope, 1919 01:26:54,933 --> 01:26:58,247 that went places where the other Sam Fuller, 1920 01:26:58,282 --> 01:27:01,181 the studio Sam Fuller, did not go. 1921 01:27:01,216 --> 01:27:03,287 This was the independent Sam Fuller. 1922 01:27:03,321 --> 01:27:05,496 When I think about my love for Sammy 1923 01:27:05,530 --> 01:27:07,601 and appreciation of working with him 1924 01:27:07,636 --> 01:27:10,259 and he's gone and left us, but I'm so grateful 1925 01:27:10,294 --> 01:27:11,847 to have had the opportunity to work with him. 1926 01:27:11,881 --> 01:27:15,437 Sam Fuller made an art form out of the B Movie. 1927 01:27:15,471 --> 01:27:18,267 And he made films like "Shock Corridor." 1928 01:27:18,302 --> 01:27:21,166 Somebody do something about my head! 1929 01:27:21,201 --> 01:27:23,962 His masterpiece is "The Naked Kiss." 1930 01:27:29,071 --> 01:27:30,935 I consider "The Warriors" 1931 01:27:30,969 --> 01:27:34,283 the "Rocky Horror" of gang movies, you know. 1932 01:27:34,318 --> 01:27:36,043 Can you dig it? 1933 01:27:36,078 --> 01:27:38,943 Can you dig it? 1934 01:27:38,977 --> 01:27:41,256 Can you dig it? 1935 01:27:46,433 --> 01:27:47,469 The plot of "The Warriors" 1936 01:27:47,503 --> 01:27:49,471 actually is a pretty simple plot. 1937 01:27:49,505 --> 01:27:52,646 It's a movie about a meeting of all these gangs, 1938 01:27:52,681 --> 01:27:55,856 very colorful gangs in New York. 1939 01:27:55,891 --> 01:27:56,961 And during this meeting, 1940 01:27:56,995 --> 01:27:58,997 like the leader of one of the gangs is killed. 1941 01:28:00,516 --> 01:28:03,726 A gang is blamed for something that they didn't do. 1942 01:28:03,761 --> 01:28:07,972 It's the innocent falsely accused... 1943 01:28:08,006 --> 01:28:10,319 There he is! That's him! 1944 01:28:10,354 --> 01:28:11,976 After a tragedy occurs... 1945 01:28:12,010 --> 01:28:13,564 They think we shot Cyrus. 1946 01:28:13,598 --> 01:28:16,152 Every gang in the city must be looking for us. 1947 01:28:16,187 --> 01:28:17,740 Holy shit. 1948 01:28:20,674 --> 01:28:22,538 The Warriors has to get back 1949 01:28:22,573 --> 01:28:25,507 and take the subway across New York. 1950 01:28:25,541 --> 01:28:30,235 And an hour it is C-I, the big Coney. 1951 01:28:30,270 --> 01:28:33,480 They have to fight their way back to their home turf. 1952 01:28:33,515 --> 01:28:36,656 And everyone is out to destroy them. 1953 01:28:36,690 --> 01:28:38,865 So the Warriors encounter all of these gangs 1954 01:28:38,899 --> 01:28:40,211 throughout the movie. 1955 01:28:40,245 --> 01:28:42,213 For instance, the Gramercy Riffs, 1956 01:28:42,247 --> 01:28:44,560 who are the African-American gang. 1957 01:28:44,595 --> 01:28:47,425 In the Turnbull ACs, which are like a skinhead gang. 1958 01:28:47,460 --> 01:28:48,771 And the Baseball Furies, 1959 01:28:48,806 --> 01:28:51,360 who almost have makeup like the band KISS. 1960 01:28:51,395 --> 01:28:53,224 I'll shove that bat up your ass 1961 01:28:53,258 --> 01:28:55,468 and turn you into a popsicle. 1962 01:28:58,919 --> 01:29:01,612 And then they have encounters with The Lizzies, 1963 01:29:01,646 --> 01:29:04,511 who entrap some of the Warriors. 1964 01:29:04,546 --> 01:29:05,685 And we have a rollerskating gang 1965 01:29:05,719 --> 01:29:07,997 who they encounter in a subway station, 1966 01:29:08,032 --> 01:29:11,069 and they have an ultimate battle with them in a bathroom. 1967 01:29:12,277 --> 01:29:14,003 Aah! 1968 01:29:18,905 --> 01:29:20,355 And then they meet The Orphans, 1969 01:29:20,389 --> 01:29:21,563 who were like a low class, 1970 01:29:21,597 --> 01:29:22,909 way down on the totem pole gang. 1971 01:29:22,943 --> 01:29:25,187 You see what you get, Warriors? 1972 01:29:25,221 --> 01:29:28,466 You see what you get when you mess with The Orphans? 1973 01:29:32,367 --> 01:29:33,713 You know, it's funny. 1974 01:29:33,747 --> 01:29:37,648 My scenes in The Orphans is that it was a small part. 1975 01:29:37,682 --> 01:29:42,135 However, people remember that, especially my line. 1976 01:29:42,169 --> 01:29:44,206 "We're going to rain on you Warriors," you know. 1977 01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:47,899 I've said that maybe a million times since 1978. 1978 01:29:47,934 --> 01:29:50,488 "We're going to rain on you Warriors," you know. 1979 01:29:50,523 --> 01:29:53,008 We're going to rain on you, Warriors! 1980 01:29:54,492 --> 01:29:56,598 Let's go. 1981 01:29:56,632 --> 01:29:58,358 When that thing blew, 1982 01:29:58,393 --> 01:30:01,396 it was a real explosion, you know. 1983 01:30:01,430 --> 01:30:03,777 So the hood of the car wound up on the roof. 1984 01:30:03,812 --> 01:30:06,918 But they forgot to take the glass, the windshield out. 1985 01:30:06,953 --> 01:30:11,578 And I'm watching this glass rain down on these extras. 1986 01:30:11,613 --> 01:30:14,857 I do think that what unites the cult films that I like 1987 01:30:14,892 --> 01:30:16,790 is they have a quality of danger, you know. 1988 01:30:16,825 --> 01:30:18,309 Whether it's "Clockwork Orange" 1989 01:30:18,343 --> 01:30:20,345 or, you know, this quality of edge. 1990 01:30:20,380 --> 01:30:22,140 And I think clearly that's what people sort of like 1991 01:30:22,175 --> 01:30:23,625 about "The Warriors." 1992 01:30:23,659 --> 01:30:26,041 You know, I've gone to screenings of "The Warriors," 1993 01:30:26,075 --> 01:30:27,836 a few with fans. 1994 01:30:27,870 --> 01:30:31,702 It's hilarious, because they're talking to the screen, 1995 01:30:31,736 --> 01:30:33,945 they're say the line before it comes out. 1996 01:30:33,980 --> 01:30:37,742 So they've been rediscovered by people, you know, 1997 01:30:37,777 --> 01:30:40,814 and it's easier to do now because you've got, you know, 1998 01:30:40,849 --> 01:30:44,646 all kinds of alternative means of finding it. 1999 01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:45,819 The best scene in "The Warriors" 2000 01:30:45,854 --> 01:30:48,822 is actually a very quiet scene. 2001 01:30:48,857 --> 01:30:52,964 Swan and Mercy on the subway when the prom couple comes in. 2002 01:30:52,999 --> 01:30:54,897 It's like really, really late at night 2003 01:30:54,932 --> 01:30:59,281 and they're dirty and they're tired and they're beaten up. 2004 01:30:59,315 --> 01:31:03,630 And then a group of four students get on the train. 2005 01:31:03,665 --> 01:31:06,564 Everything that needs to be said and expressed 2006 01:31:06,599 --> 01:31:08,221 is done without words. 2007 01:31:16,885 --> 01:31:19,197 Everybody's favorite moment in "The Warriors." 2008 01:31:19,232 --> 01:31:23,339 Warriors, come out to play. 2009 01:31:23,374 --> 01:31:24,893 David Patrick Kelly owns that movie. 2010 01:31:24,927 --> 01:31:31,140 Warriors, come out to play. 2011 01:31:31,175 --> 01:31:33,004 The Warriors chant 2012 01:31:33,039 --> 01:31:36,007 has been a blessing and a burden over the years. 2013 01:31:36,042 --> 01:31:38,423 And there was nothing in the script, of course, 2014 01:31:38,458 --> 01:31:42,807 and Walter wanted to up the ante. 2015 01:31:42,842 --> 01:31:44,947 And he just said we need something here. 2016 01:31:44,982 --> 01:31:48,779 And it was from a guy who lived next to me 2017 01:31:48,813 --> 01:31:50,953 who was a scary guy, 2018 01:31:50,988 --> 01:31:55,613 who I didn't know much about, but he would say to me... 2019 01:31:55,648 --> 01:31:58,167 I'd say, Rich, how you doing? 2020 01:31:58,202 --> 01:32:00,480 And he'd say, Dave... 2021 01:32:00,515 --> 01:32:04,001 Dave... Dave... 2022 01:32:04,035 --> 01:32:05,554 And that's all he'd say. 2023 01:32:05,589 --> 01:32:08,005 And I thought that was the creepiest thing I'd ever heard, 2024 01:32:08,039 --> 01:32:09,627 so I put that in. 2025 01:32:09,662 --> 01:32:11,422 We rehearsed it and then we did it. 2026 01:32:11,456 --> 01:32:13,079 I've never done it again. 2027 01:32:13,113 --> 01:32:16,841 Come out to play. 2028 01:32:16,876 --> 01:32:18,981 I go to the Coney Island Film Festival every year, 2029 01:32:19,016 --> 01:32:21,743 and at midnight they play "The Warriors." 2030 01:32:21,777 --> 01:32:24,228 And people come out dressed up as The Furies 2031 01:32:24,262 --> 01:32:28,025 and all the different gangs and even a few Orphans, too. 2032 01:32:28,059 --> 01:32:33,030 We did a cast reunion in Coney Island, 2033 01:32:33,064 --> 01:32:36,896 and 7,500, 8,000 people showed up. 2034 01:32:36,930 --> 01:32:38,483 It was humbling to me, I thought. 2035 01:32:38,518 --> 01:32:40,037 I get back home 2036 01:32:40,071 --> 01:32:41,935 and 10 minutes later the phone rings 2037 01:32:41,970 --> 01:32:44,282 and a gentleman on the other end said, 2038 01:32:44,317 --> 01:32:47,216 I'm President Reagan's press secretary 2039 01:32:47,251 --> 01:32:50,116 and he wanted you to know how much he enjoyed 2040 01:32:50,150 --> 01:32:52,394 a screening of "The Warriors" at Camp David. 2041 01:32:52,428 --> 01:32:57,537 People sort of claim that violence was connected to it. 2042 01:32:57,572 --> 01:32:59,884 But if you look at the film now 2043 01:32:59,919 --> 01:33:02,024 and compare it to what we see today, 2044 01:33:02,059 --> 01:33:04,095 it's really, really lightweight. 2045 01:33:04,130 --> 01:33:08,479 Paramount overreacted by pulling all the publicity, 2046 01:33:08,513 --> 01:33:09,722 and the movie just kind of died 2047 01:33:09,756 --> 01:33:11,931 after about three weeks to a month. 2048 01:33:11,965 --> 01:33:14,623 Had "The Warriors" had a successful run 2049 01:33:14,658 --> 01:33:16,970 and continued to do good box office 2050 01:33:17,005 --> 01:33:20,974 and become a successful first-run movie, 2051 01:33:21,009 --> 01:33:24,460 would it have become a cult classic movie? 2052 01:33:24,495 --> 01:33:25,945 I don't know that it would have. 2053 01:33:27,187 --> 01:33:29,638 For someone who hasn't seen "Point Break," 2054 01:33:29,673 --> 01:33:31,744 the plot of the movie is this. 2055 01:33:31,778 --> 01:33:35,851 There's four renegade kids who love skydiving. 2056 01:33:35,886 --> 01:33:37,370 They skydive a lot. 2057 01:33:37,404 --> 01:33:38,923 When they're not skydiving, 2058 01:33:38,958 --> 01:33:42,202 they put on the masks of presidents and rob banks. 2059 01:33:42,237 --> 01:33:46,379 It's Keanu Reeves' mission to find them and arrest them. 2060 01:33:46,413 --> 01:33:49,520 He's being told that they might be surfers, 2061 01:33:49,554 --> 01:33:53,662 and the kind of finds these guys who teach him how to surf 2062 01:33:53,697 --> 01:33:56,216 and who are kind of Zen philosophers. 2063 01:33:56,251 --> 01:33:59,288 Hey, you're not going to start chanting or anything, are you? 2064 01:33:59,323 --> 01:34:01,636 I might. 2065 01:34:01,670 --> 01:34:03,810 He realizes these surfer dudes 2066 01:34:03,845 --> 01:34:08,125 are actually the presidents who are robbing everywhere. 2067 01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:10,714 And so the cop, the agent, the FBI agent 2068 01:34:10,748 --> 01:34:12,888 has to become them in order to arrest them. 2069 01:34:12,923 --> 01:34:14,234 It's very much a movie 2070 01:34:14,269 --> 01:34:17,790 about American masculinity seen from the outside. 2071 01:34:17,824 --> 01:34:19,654 You gotta go down. 2072 01:34:19,688 --> 01:34:23,105 You crossed the line and people trusted you and they died. 2073 01:34:23,140 --> 01:34:24,797 "Point Break" was always thought of 2074 01:34:24,831 --> 01:34:27,006 as like surfers robbing banks 2075 01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:28,835 to support their endless summer. 2076 01:34:28,870 --> 01:34:31,389 The tagline in our mind even as I was writing it 2077 01:34:31,424 --> 01:34:32,839 was 100% pure adrenaline. 2078 01:34:32,874 --> 01:34:34,703 Everybody freeze! 2079 01:34:34,738 --> 01:34:38,017 But when director Ridley Scott was going to helm of the film, 2080 01:34:38,051 --> 01:34:41,676 it was going to be James Garner, you know, 2081 01:34:41,710 --> 01:34:44,299 fresh off the "Rockford Files" to play Pappas 2082 01:34:44,333 --> 01:34:46,542 and it was going to be Charlie Sheen 2083 01:34:46,577 --> 01:34:50,408 I believe fresh off of "Platoon" to play Johnny Utah. 2084 01:34:50,443 --> 01:34:51,962 And that was locked and loaded. 2085 01:34:51,996 --> 01:34:55,413 But then the studio changed hands 2086 01:34:55,448 --> 01:34:57,450 and Ridley left picture. 2087 01:34:57,484 --> 01:34:59,555 So the film fell apart 2088 01:34:59,590 --> 01:35:02,144 and it was made four years later 2089 01:35:02,179 --> 01:35:05,561 by Jim Cameron and Kathryn Bigelow. 2090 01:35:05,596 --> 01:35:07,149 Jim Cameron rewrote me. 2091 01:35:07,184 --> 01:35:09,358 He did the final polish on "Point Break." 2092 01:35:09,393 --> 01:35:12,810 So a lot of kudos to Jim, who's the master. 2093 01:35:12,845 --> 01:35:15,226 He turbocharged a lot of the action. 2094 01:35:15,261 --> 01:35:17,884 Kathryn was determined that it was going to be Keanu Reeves, 2095 01:35:17,919 --> 01:35:19,748 and she is quite a force. 2096 01:35:19,783 --> 01:35:21,370 - You mad? - Yeah, I'm mad! 2097 01:35:21,405 --> 01:35:22,371 - Good and mad? - Yeah! 2098 01:35:22,406 --> 01:35:23,441 What you want to do about it? 2099 01:35:23,476 --> 01:35:24,822 Feels good, doesn't it? 2100 01:35:24,857 --> 01:35:27,238 - Like you're still alive, right? - Yeah! 2101 01:35:27,273 --> 01:35:29,206 They should release it again on the big screen, 2102 01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:32,071 because it'll work again and again and again 2103 01:35:32,105 --> 01:35:33,831 because it's that powerful. 2104 01:35:33,866 --> 01:35:36,420 I mean, when Kathryn shoots her arrow, whap, 2105 01:35:36,454 --> 01:35:38,284 100 yards away, 2106 01:35:38,318 --> 01:35:42,115 that arrow will go right smack dab in the center of the target. 2107 01:35:42,150 --> 01:35:45,429 And she did that with me, you know. 2108 01:35:45,463 --> 01:35:46,948 She did it with everybody. 2109 01:35:46,982 --> 01:35:48,846 She's strong. 2110 01:35:48,881 --> 01:35:49,985 I want to work with her again. 2111 01:35:50,020 --> 01:35:51,228 I'm going to call her. 2112 01:35:51,262 --> 01:35:53,023 Kathryn, just been talking about us. 2113 01:35:53,057 --> 01:35:56,233 When's the next gig? Edit. 2114 01:35:56,267 --> 01:35:58,960 The linear thrust was a story about these four kids. 2115 01:35:58,994 --> 01:36:00,789 He's a fucking federal agent. 2116 01:36:00,824 --> 01:36:02,964 I should have shot him when I had the chance. 2117 01:36:02,998 --> 01:36:05,000 I'll deal with that fucking cop. 2118 01:36:05,035 --> 01:36:07,520 And my little buddy Keanu. 2119 01:36:09,625 --> 01:36:10,903 Pappas. 2120 01:36:10,937 --> 01:36:12,663 Angelo Pappas. 2121 01:36:12,697 --> 01:36:15,010 - Punk. Quarterback punk. - Hmm. 2122 01:36:15,045 --> 01:36:17,599 Either you love to hate the bad guy, 2123 01:36:17,633 --> 01:36:19,014 they're deliciously evil 2124 01:36:19,049 --> 01:36:21,051 and you just can't get enough of their evilness. 2125 01:36:21,085 --> 01:36:25,296 Or they are like a Swayze in that you really relate. 2126 01:36:25,331 --> 01:36:27,402 You do care, 2127 01:36:27,436 --> 01:36:30,232 and because you care, it makes it fascinating. 2128 01:36:30,267 --> 01:36:32,165 Every scene I do is my favorite. 2129 01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:35,548 Every scene the people I'm working with are my favorite. 2130 01:36:35,582 --> 01:36:37,274 That's the way it goes. 2131 01:36:37,308 --> 01:36:40,311 You satisfy yourself before making a judgment, 2132 01:36:40,346 --> 01:36:42,451 and when you're satisfying yourself, 2133 01:36:42,486 --> 01:36:43,832 there is no judgment. 2134 01:36:43,867 --> 01:36:44,902 You just go. 2135 01:36:48,285 --> 01:36:51,115 "Point Break" has the best running scene 2136 01:36:51,150 --> 01:36:53,221 in the history of movies. 2137 01:36:53,255 --> 01:36:55,326 Look out! 2138 01:36:55,361 --> 01:36:56,534 Hey! 2139 01:36:59,365 --> 01:37:00,193 Aah! 2140 01:37:00,228 --> 01:37:02,333 It's brilliant stuff, man. 2141 01:37:02,368 --> 01:37:03,956 It's going tick, tick, tick, tick. 2142 01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:05,543 It's clipping, man. 2143 01:37:05,578 --> 01:37:06,682 Tick-tick-tick-tick- 2144 01:37:06,717 --> 01:37:09,168 tick-tick-tick-tick-tick. 2145 01:37:10,721 --> 01:37:11,756 Oh! 2146 01:37:11,791 --> 01:37:13,344 People remember the lines. 2147 01:37:13,379 --> 01:37:15,657 I'm so hungry I could eat the ass end out of a dead rhino. 2148 01:37:15,691 --> 01:37:17,521 I should've had you get me three of these things. 2149 01:37:17,555 --> 01:37:19,074 You gonna jump or jerk off? 2150 01:37:19,109 --> 01:37:20,386 I'm not a crook. 2151 01:37:20,420 --> 01:37:22,698 Caught my first tube this morning. 2152 01:37:22,733 --> 01:37:24,148 Sir. 2153 01:37:24,183 --> 01:37:26,668 Swayze did all his stunts for the most part. 2154 01:37:26,702 --> 01:37:27,911 He did the skydiving. 2155 01:37:27,945 --> 01:37:30,396 If you look, the shot that blows my mind 2156 01:37:30,430 --> 01:37:34,814 is the one when he jumps off the airplane at the end. 2157 01:37:34,849 --> 01:37:36,609 Adios, amigo. 2158 01:37:36,643 --> 01:37:39,715 Well, guess what? That's Swayze saying a line 2159 01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:43,167 and rolling backward and falling out of an airplane. 2160 01:37:43,202 --> 01:37:45,790 That takes a big pair of cojones. 2161 01:37:45,825 --> 01:37:47,516 He's the man. 2162 01:37:47,551 --> 01:37:51,175 There's a thing... I think it's all over the United States now. 2163 01:37:51,210 --> 01:37:52,763 It's called "Point Break Live." 2164 01:37:52,797 --> 01:37:55,628 And it's these actors, they're Shakespearean actors, 2165 01:37:55,662 --> 01:37:57,112 they're awesome actors. 2166 01:37:57,147 --> 01:37:59,149 and they re-create "Point Break" live. 2167 01:37:59,183 --> 01:38:02,014 They pull somebody out of the audience to play Keanu Reeves, 2168 01:38:02,048 --> 01:38:04,948 and it is hilarious. 2169 01:38:04,982 --> 01:38:06,190 Yeah, my knee got folded 2170 01:38:06,225 --> 01:38:08,675 about 90 degrees in the wrong way. 2171 01:38:10,781 --> 01:38:12,921 I'm so honored that you picked "Point Break" 2172 01:38:12,956 --> 01:38:14,543 as one of the greatest cult films of all time. 2173 01:38:14,578 --> 01:38:17,063 It sounds arrogant to say it doesn't surprise me, 2174 01:38:17,098 --> 01:38:19,134 because I just hear it from so many people. 2175 01:38:19,169 --> 01:38:22,206 I started getting letters from people all over the world, 2176 01:38:22,241 --> 01:38:25,278 sincere, heartfelt letters 2177 01:38:25,313 --> 01:38:27,660 that the film had changed their life. 2178 01:38:27,694 --> 01:38:30,249 "Point Break" is one of the greatest films made. 2179 01:38:30,283 --> 01:38:32,009 It's not a cult film, 2180 01:38:32,044 --> 01:38:34,943 it's not a dramady, a psychodrama. 2181 01:38:34,978 --> 01:38:37,773 It's not a farce or tragedy or vaudeville. 2182 01:38:37,808 --> 01:38:40,535 It's a movie of its own with its own identity, 2183 01:38:40,569 --> 01:38:43,434 and it moves in that direction all the way through it. 2184 01:38:43,469 --> 01:38:46,196 The beginning, the middle, the climax, the end, the resolution, 2185 01:38:46,230 --> 01:38:47,542 it's all the same. 2186 01:38:47,576 --> 01:38:50,441 I think "Point Break" was a game changer 2187 01:38:50,476 --> 01:38:53,755 not as much to cinema as it was to surfing. 2188 01:38:53,789 --> 01:38:54,963 It was a game mover. 2189 01:38:54,998 --> 01:38:56,275 You don't change the game in art. 2190 01:38:56,309 --> 01:38:57,966 And let me tell you this, buddy. 2191 01:38:58,001 --> 01:38:59,278 Art is only the search. 2192 01:38:59,312 --> 01:39:01,038 It is not the final form. 2193 01:39:01,073 --> 01:39:02,591 It is forever and unlimited, 2194 01:39:02,626 --> 01:39:06,630 and you can't beat that because it won't be beaten. 2195 01:39:06,664 --> 01:39:08,183 Hear that? 164535

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