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[ Photographers shouting ]
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♫♫
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-The power of Hollywood
and that profession
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really undid me at times.
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They always had to knock me down
for something,
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but then they always went,
"But she´s beautiful."
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It wasn´t about me.
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It´s just a projection on me,
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what they wanted to hear and
what they wanted to make of it.
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-If you look at the structure
of the media industries,
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most of the people who call
the shots tend to be men.
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They tend to be
straight, white men.
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It´s very much
about a gender binary.
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It´s very much about
what women need to do
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in order to be desirable
to straight men.
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-Gatekeeping is a major way
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of how we keep girls
under control.
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It is dependent upon girls
not having desires of their own.
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-It´s just so interesting
how I accepted it for so long.
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I was struggling
to find my own voice.
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I said, "Yeah, Mom,
I have to go do this on my own.
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If I´m going to fail,
I have to fail in my own."
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♫♫
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♫♫
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-Now, tell me about the book
you´re writing.
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You told me
you´re writing a book.
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-It´s not quite
an autobiography or memoirs
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´cause I haven´t been
around that long.
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But it´s basically about
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all the different parts
of my life --
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you know, going to school.
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Since I´ve just finished
my first year...
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A publisher contacted
my mom and said,
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"We want you to write a book."
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And I was like,
"I am ready to write a book."
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They said, "Well, you know,
it´s a guide
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to other young people
going away to college."
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And I was like,
"I´ve got this."
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Had my whole plan.
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And it started with the fear
of not getting in,
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getting in, missing my mom,
being alone for the first time,
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feeling pressured
about everything,
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whether it was drugs
or sex or drinking.
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You know,
how do you become independent?
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I was really proud of it.
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And they said,
"Well, we´re thinking
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about this book differently."
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They wrote what they wanted
as the first chapter,
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and I kid you not,
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it was like,
"I like leg warmers.
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Being away from home,
there´s a lot of ways
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you can eat different foods.
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You can have a sundae
at midnight.
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You can have a,
you know, pizza."
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It was so inane.
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It had nothing to do
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with the gut-wrenching
feeling that I had
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by going away to college.
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You know, they just wanted
their narrative.
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So I said,
"Make the book that you want."
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And then when the book came out,
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I thought,
just go along with it.
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I think that I --
I don´t really know what I am
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and who I want to be yet,
and this book
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is the beginning of that
learning what I want to be.
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The most personal and in depth
that it got
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was the chapter on virginity,
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which was actually
my mom´s idea.
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I mean, I brought it up.
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I´m not ashamed of it.
I really wasn´t.
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But I thought,
well, you know, it´s true.
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If I can help anybody
not feel pressured...
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Same thing I tell my daughter.
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Like, you don´t have to do
something
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just because they want it.
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Like, no.
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Your body.
You don´t have to do it.
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That was the approach I took.
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Unless you go out there
and say it,
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you know, you´re not gonna
get your truth, really.
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I think there´s a great deal
of pressure on young girls,
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young women, especially my age,
and nobody should do anything
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that they don´t feel
comfortable about doing.
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You know, why all of a sudden
does that mean
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you´re boring
or you´re too squeaky clean
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or, you know,
you´re a nerd or whatever?
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It´s like, no, you actually
have ownership
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over your health and your body.
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That, to me was empowering.
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But it was
the admission of virginity
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that was really the first time,
you know, they pulled that out,
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which is, I guess,
better than pulling out,
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"I like leg warmers."
[ Laughs ]
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-You talk about something
very personal in your book,
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and it´s really
nobody´s business,
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but you talk about it,
that at 20 years old,
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you´re a virgin,
and you give tips in there,
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in that sense,
how to remain a virgin.
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-You feel strongly about
maintaining your virginity.
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-[ Laughing ] I knew
it was gonna come to that.
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That´s how it´s gonna go.
Here it comes!
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You never know what people
are going to just attack
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or want to know about,
and I was a bit surprised
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because there wasn´t even
a whole chapter devoted to it.
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-Like a page, right?
-Just a page.
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A little page,
a little sentence.
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"I am."
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-Her name even sounds like
anti-sexual device.
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[ Laughter ]
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"Did you have fun on your date?"
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"No, she was wearing
her Brooke Shield."
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[ Laughter and applause ]
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-I certainly remember
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that microscopic obsession
with Brooke´s virginity.
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With all the things
going on in the world,
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I just remember thinking,
why is this such a big deal?
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-The Soviet Union has suffered
one of the worst disasters
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in the history of nuclear power.
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-I have to get not nasty,
but I have to get personal,
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ask you
the virginity question.
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-I´m a little puzzled about
how these weapons
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got to the military in Iran.
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-The West Berliners
were determined.
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The chant went up,
"Down with the wall."
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-Brooke says
she wants to remain a virgin
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until she finds
someone she loves.
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-Ethiopia´s
7 1/2 million famine victims.
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-When it comes to drugs
and alcohol,
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just say no.
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-1980s America --
there was a whole movement
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of "just say no" and abstinence.
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And I think Brooke became
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an unwitting tool, or pawn,
of that,
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the Virgin vessel for America.
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People wanted to reclaim
the pureness of Brooke
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in a way that I just thought,
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wow, that puts so much pressure
on somebody.
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-She´s like a role model.
Yeah, she´s got good morals.
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She´s, um -- I don´t know.
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She´s just a good person inside.
It come through in her eyes.
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-She feels like she´s
more innocent
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than other girls, you know?
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-I wasn´t a hypocrite.
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I wasn´t doing
any of this stuff.
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But there was
a huge responsibility
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to be the representative
of that whole era.
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And that was just
sort of placed on me.
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-She can´t live
in the space in between,
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because people don´t know
what to do with that.
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Either you´re a virgin
and you´re a prude,
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or you´re a slut
and you´re doing too much.
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There´s no third option where
maybe you´re both,
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or neither, even.
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You have to have
one or the other.
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And so all that
is still present.
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I don´t see how any of that
has changed [laughs]
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in the last 40 years.
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-I think that girls
and young women today
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are in really
an impossible double bind,
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you know, where they´re told
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that they need
to express themselves
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and present themselves
in very sexualized ways,
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but then they´re blamed
for anything that happens.
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-I honestly have been
just so surprised
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at how entrenched this is still.
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Brooke´s experience
and the ways in which
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she had to be in the world --
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none of those roles included
her own desire
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as a sexual person with agency,
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with subjectivity.
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-It was always the men
that would say something,
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and you knew
that it somehow trigger
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something in them as well.
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-How do you think
people perceive you?
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Are you a goody-goody?
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-I don´t -- no.
I don´t think I am.
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-Are you dating anybody?
What´s the...
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-No, I´m not actually.
[ Chuckles ]
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-Everybody,
every time I say that --
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-That what I want to know.
-[ Laughs ]
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-I think that it was a relief
that she actually was a virgin
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because that meant
that the terrible transgressions
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of the earlier movies --
oh, they weren´t really true.
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-Everybody wanted to untap this,
you know --
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this well that was just
gonna spring forth.
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You know, all these things
were just swirling around.
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Everybody was trying to...
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hook me up with
the most eligible bachelor.
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♫ What do I think about men? ♫
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♫ Oh, men are dreamy,
men are sweet ♫
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♫ They´re really knock me
off my feet ♫
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-She lived most of her life
in public, and,
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"Oh, my God. Who is
Brooke Shields dating now?"
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-♫ Men, men, men, men ♫
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-It´s hard enough
being a teenager
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without having that pressure.
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It was brutal and the media
was just cranking up.
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And now we´re
getting opinions and --
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and, of course, she was standing
next to the Mr. Media himself,
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Michael Jackson.
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-You have a crush
on Michael Jackson.
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-Michael Jackson and you.
-Yes.
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-Are you just friends or has
there been a romance there?
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-The world was going back
and forth on whether or not
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Brooke was dating
Michael Jackson or not dating.
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And, you know.
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my mother had opinions
about that.
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[ Laughs ]
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It was that whole thing
of Brooke being privileged
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and also being white
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and also stepping into
the inner sanctum of Blackness
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because of Michael Jackson.
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[ Crowd shouting and cheering ]
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-It was such a huge topic
of conversation
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in the Black community.
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-Man, white people going,
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[nasally voice] "That Michael´s
a special kind of guy.
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He´s special.
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I mean, he´s good,
clean, and wholesome."
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Y´all believe it. You know how
I know y´all believed it?
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Y´all didn´t get mad
when he took Brooke Shields
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to the Grammys.
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Nobody white said shit.
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And Brooke Shields is
the whitest woman in America.
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That´s Miss America every year
is Brooke --
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fuck who you see with the crown.
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Brooke -- you look up
white woman in dictionary,
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it´ll be a picture of Brooke
like this.
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[ Laughter and applause ]
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-We met when I was 13,
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and we, like, hung out.
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It was very childlike.
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And we´d just laugh
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and kind of the ridiculousness
of being in the car
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and having people rock the car
and be insane and...
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[ Crowd shouting "Michael!" ]
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...we both were
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quite juvenile in some ways
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and quite mature
and experienced in others.
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So we were just really friends.
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But he always wanted
to be sort of seen with me.
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Like, if we would
pick a restaurant,
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I was like, "Well, how did
they know we were here?"
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-Um, hello, Brooke.
I´m working on my album.
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I just wanted to say hello
246
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and I hope
I get to see you soon.
247
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Just a brief message on video.
248
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Goodbye.
249
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-And then at one point he said
250
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"We should adopt a child.
251
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We should adopt a child
and raise a child together."
252
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-Who do you date?
253
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-Well, right now
it´s Brooke Shields.
254
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-Mm-hmm.
255
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-That´s -- I don´t --
Well, we try not
256
00:11:49,179 --> 00:11:51,009
to just be everywhere
and go everywhere...
257
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-I called them and I said,
"What are you doing?"
258
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I said,
"I´m actually currently
259
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with a boyfriend
in New York City.
260
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What are you doing?"
261
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-And she´ll come over,
I´ll go to her house,
262
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´cause I don´t like going out
into public.
263
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-And eventually I sort of
lost touch with him.
264
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-Is there anybody special
in Brooke Shields´ life
265
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at the moment?
266
00:12:12,402 --> 00:12:14,062
-Actually, there is.
And he´s with me today.
267
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-Well, that´s great.
I mean, is he real special?
268
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-He´s real special, yeah.
-Is he right over there?
269
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-Yeah, come here.
[ Laughs ]
270
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Just say hi
to everybody.
271
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-Hi, everybody.
272
00:12:22,442 --> 00:12:23,912
-Well, why don´t you
introduce him?
273
00:12:23,914 --> 00:12:25,524
-His name´s Dean Cain.
He´s, um --
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He goes to Princeton.
275
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-I wanted to jump into
the personal relationship
276
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and the love and the commitment.
277
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You know, the part
he was more comfortable with
278
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is probably the sexual part,
and I wasn´t.
279
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So we had to teach each other
about the other.
280
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You know, he was the first
person I trusted with all of it.
281
00:12:46,066 --> 00:12:51,866
But I never celebrated
our attraction to each other.
282
00:12:51,872 --> 00:12:58,312
I never reveled
in the sexual relationship
283
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between the two of us.
284
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I mean, I had built up
so much around this.
285
00:13:02,853 --> 00:13:06,123
The stakes were
so unnaturally high
286
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that I´m surprised he even
went through with any of it.
287
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When we finally had sex...
288
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[ Chuckles ]
289
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...I immediately
290
00:13:18,529 --> 00:13:22,299
ran out of the room,
ran down the hall,
291
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butt-naked,
[laughs] just running.
292
00:13:25,536 --> 00:13:28,136
I didn´t know where
it was going.
293
00:13:28,138 --> 00:13:34,208
[ Laughing ] And he ran after me
with the duvet
294
00:13:34,214 --> 00:13:36,054
and grabbed a hold of me
and said,
295
00:13:36,046 --> 00:13:38,386
"Where are you going?"
296
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He goes,
"I´m not going anywhere.
297
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I´m not leaving you.
You´re the same person."
298
00:13:44,024 --> 00:13:47,334
He got it instantly,
and I just cried.
299
00:13:49,530 --> 00:13:52,100
Well, I feel bad
for that girl, you know.
300
00:13:52,102 --> 00:13:55,442
She was old enough
to own her own body for real
301
00:13:55,435 --> 00:13:58,565
and, you know, just...
302
00:13:58,569 --> 00:14:01,869
and just couldn´t get there
at that moment, you know?
303
00:14:05,215 --> 00:14:07,975
What it boils down to
304
00:14:07,978 --> 00:14:12,518
is sort of a regret
for lost exploration
305
00:14:12,523 --> 00:14:18,293
and opportunity to understand
my personal sexuality.
306
00:14:25,966 --> 00:14:28,936
-Brains you´re born with.
307
00:14:28,939 --> 00:14:31,639
A great body you have to work at
every day.
308
00:14:31,642 --> 00:14:34,072
You have to stretch it
to the limit.
309
00:14:34,074 --> 00:14:35,614
I thought I was gonna graduate
310
00:14:35,606 --> 00:14:38,476
and I was gonna go right back
into a movie a year,
311
00:14:38,478 --> 00:14:42,548
and I thought, yeah, it was just
going to be great, you know?
312
00:14:42,553 --> 00:14:45,323
And it was just like,
"I´m sorry, I´m sorry.
313
00:14:45,315 --> 00:14:46,985
Um, Brooke with an ´e´?"
314
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So get smart.
Join Rockford Health Club today
315
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and get 50% off dues.
316
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I went into college very famous.
317
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Hadn´t done a movie
in a really long time.
318
00:14:56,296 --> 00:14:59,496
I didn´t assume it would be
a detriment to my career.
319
00:14:59,499 --> 00:15:01,599
-Don´t mind me asking,
but why --
320
00:15:01,602 --> 00:15:03,602
I mean, your work --
I mean, what do you, uh --
321
00:15:03,604 --> 00:15:05,184
-After four years
of Princeton,
322
00:15:05,175 --> 00:15:08,305
my professor suggested
I seek higher goals.
323
00:15:08,308 --> 00:15:10,578
-Now, you did drop out for
about four years, didn´t you?
324
00:15:10,581 --> 00:15:12,181
-I did.
Actually, I --
325
00:15:12,182 --> 00:15:14,522
I almost didn´t even think of it
as dropping out.
326
00:15:14,515 --> 00:15:16,545
What I --
I went to college and...
327
00:15:16,547 --> 00:15:18,647
It wasn´t like Paramount was
waiting for me
328
00:15:18,649 --> 00:15:22,019
and calling for me,
and Columbia wasn´t going,
329
00:15:22,022 --> 00:15:23,192
"Well, we have to have Brooke."
330
00:15:23,193 --> 00:15:25,163
You know, at that point,
there was
331
00:15:25,155 --> 00:15:27,395
so many other actresses
that had come
332
00:15:27,397 --> 00:15:29,457
just in those four years.
333
00:15:29,459 --> 00:15:32,099
And so my mom and I were like,
334
00:15:32,102 --> 00:15:35,412
"Well, we better get a movie
in this period of time
335
00:15:35,405 --> 00:15:38,565
so it comes out
when you graduate."
336
00:15:38,569 --> 00:15:42,709
And it just sort of flopped.
337
00:15:42,713 --> 00:15:44,723
[ Indistinct shouting
in distance ]
338
00:15:46,146 --> 00:15:49,346
So, okay, let´s try to find
things, like find commercials.
339
00:15:49,349 --> 00:15:52,019
Go do a commercial in Japan,
you know?
340
00:15:52,022 --> 00:15:54,422
[ Upbeat music playing ]
341
00:15:54,424 --> 00:16:00,694
♫♫
342
00:16:00,691 --> 00:16:04,391
The hair dryers and stuff --
they´ll do something with you.
343
00:16:04,394 --> 00:16:07,504
We have a filter that is
removable and you can clean it,
344
00:16:07,497 --> 00:16:10,567
which increases the longevity
of a product.
345
00:16:10,571 --> 00:16:14,101
Arrid fights wetness ordinary
deodorant sticks can´t.
346
00:16:14,104 --> 00:16:15,554
[ Man speaks Japanese ]
347
00:16:15,546 --> 00:16:17,376
It moves me!
348
00:16:17,377 --> 00:16:19,177
[ Man speaks Japanese ]
349
00:16:19,179 --> 00:16:22,509
What if I told you
Forever Sheer pantyhose
350
00:16:22,513 --> 00:16:25,593
come in great shades
for daytime, like these?
351
00:16:27,457 --> 00:16:29,387
Mmm.
352
00:16:29,389 --> 00:16:31,619
Satisfying.
353
00:16:31,622 --> 00:16:33,462
And it´s healthy for you, too.
354
00:16:36,627 --> 00:16:39,097
-She knows that she´s gotta
keep trying things.
355
00:16:39,099 --> 00:16:42,129
Like, "How am I going to
get out there again?
356
00:16:42,132 --> 00:16:43,532
Or what do I need to do?"
357
00:16:43,534 --> 00:16:46,144
When you´re in the public eye,
there´s pressure.
358
00:16:46,136 --> 00:16:48,436
-Could you put
into words now what you hope
359
00:16:48,438 --> 00:16:50,278
To do with your career
at this point?
360
00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,280
-Does it ever worry that
you may have peaked already,
361
00:16:52,282 --> 00:16:54,182
that you´ve already had
the best of your career?
362
00:16:54,184 --> 00:16:56,254
-Do you think Hollywood
takes you seriously?
363
00:16:56,246 --> 00:16:59,316
-I think that Hollywood,
364
00:16:59,319 --> 00:17:02,319
or the entertainment industry,
365
00:17:02,322 --> 00:17:06,762
hasn´t seen my potential yet
as an actress.
366
00:17:06,757 --> 00:17:10,527
Creatively,
now I´m in much more pain,
367
00:17:10,531 --> 00:17:13,461
in a way, artistic pain,
if I can be so sort of
368
00:17:13,463 --> 00:17:15,143
pretentious about it.
369
00:17:15,135 --> 00:17:21,305
It was a really scary,
rough period of rejection.
370
00:17:21,311 --> 00:17:24,551
And to kind of go that high
that fast
371
00:17:24,545 --> 00:17:27,175
and then just nothing --
372
00:17:27,177 --> 00:17:31,347
it was so difficult
on so many levels.
373
00:17:31,351 --> 00:17:35,561
And I kept thinking I might
374
00:17:35,556 --> 00:17:38,256
get approval of some kind
375
00:17:38,258 --> 00:17:43,058
in a world that I dreamt about
my whole life.
376
00:17:46,296 --> 00:17:48,596
I let myself be vulnerable.
377
00:17:48,599 --> 00:17:50,739
And this is the first time
378
00:17:50,741 --> 00:17:53,201
I´ve ever spoken
about what happened.
379
00:17:56,346 --> 00:17:58,606
I had heard that there was
a movie being made
380
00:17:58,609 --> 00:18:01,209
and I was in consideration,
381
00:18:01,211 --> 00:18:04,691
and it was the first
since college
382
00:18:04,685 --> 00:18:08,785
that any interest
was sort of expressed.
383
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:13,619
We had a dinner, and I thought
it was a work meeting.
384
00:18:13,624 --> 00:18:15,634
I had met this person before
385
00:18:15,626 --> 00:18:21,196
and was always --
he was always nice to me.
386
00:18:21,201 --> 00:18:24,541
But then the person´s behavior
was changing,
387
00:18:24,535 --> 00:18:26,535
and I was like, oh, nobody --
388
00:18:26,537 --> 00:18:28,377
there was no talk
about the movie.
389
00:18:28,378 --> 00:18:29,808
No talk about a part
in the movie.
390
00:18:29,810 --> 00:18:31,410
No talk about anything.
391
00:18:31,411 --> 00:18:33,181
And I was like,
"I don´t think that was it.
392
00:18:33,183 --> 00:18:34,793
I don´t understand,"
and so I said,
393
00:18:34,785 --> 00:18:36,385
"Oh, I have to get a cab."
394
00:18:36,386 --> 00:18:39,516
And so he said,
"Come back to the hotel
395
00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,590
and I´ll call a cab."
396
00:18:42,593 --> 00:18:47,563
And I go up to the hotel room
and he disappears for a while.
397
00:18:47,558 --> 00:18:50,128
I don´t want to go over to the
phone because it´s not my phone.
398
00:18:50,130 --> 00:18:52,260
I don´t want to sit down
´cause I´m not staying.
399
00:18:52,262 --> 00:18:54,712
And so I thought,
Ah, I´m gonna use the binoculars
400
00:18:54,705 --> 00:18:56,665
and bide my time,
so I look at the binoculars.
401
00:18:56,667 --> 00:18:58,637
I watch the volleyball players.
402
00:18:58,639 --> 00:19:00,869
And the door opens.
403
00:19:00,871 --> 00:19:05,621
The person comes out naked,
404
00:19:05,616 --> 00:19:09,276
and I´ve got the binoculars.
405
00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:11,719
And I´m like, "Shit!"
406
00:19:11,722 --> 00:19:15,162
And I put the binoculars down.
He was right on me.
407
00:19:15,155 --> 00:19:18,255
It was a --
this, like, wrestle --
408
00:19:18,258 --> 00:19:19,758
this, like, was wrestling.
409
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,290
You know, I didn´t want to.
I was afraid I´d...
410
00:19:22,292 --> 00:19:24,642
get choked out or something or,
like, I didn´t --
411
00:19:24,635 --> 00:19:26,595
you know, I didn´t know.
412
00:19:26,597 --> 00:19:30,167
You know, I played the scene
out in my head, you know,
413
00:19:30,170 --> 00:19:33,300
the run away and the pull back
and the beat the shit out of.
414
00:19:33,303 --> 00:19:37,253
And I was just like,
"Oh! No.
415
00:19:37,247 --> 00:19:38,907
Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope."
416
00:19:38,909 --> 00:19:43,849
♫♫
417
00:19:43,854 --> 00:19:47,864
So I didn´t fight that much.
418
00:19:47,858 --> 00:19:50,418
I didn´t.
419
00:19:50,420 --> 00:19:54,260
I just absolutely froze.
420
00:19:54,264 --> 00:19:58,334
I thought my one "no"
should have been enough.
421
00:19:58,328 --> 00:20:03,298
And I just thought,
stay alive and get out.
422
00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:08,313
And I...just, "voomp,"
just shut it out.
423
00:20:10,340 --> 00:20:15,220
And God knows I knew how to be
disassociated from my body.
424
00:20:15,215 --> 00:20:16,745
I had practiced that.
425
00:20:18,488 --> 00:20:21,588
And then the next thing is
the door´s open
426
00:20:21,592 --> 00:20:25,632
and the person says,
"Well, I´ll see you around."
427
00:20:25,626 --> 00:20:28,426
No clothes on.
And I was like...
428
00:20:28,428 --> 00:20:30,228
And I just said, "Yeah."
429
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:32,500
And I walked out
and I went down in the elevator
430
00:20:32,503 --> 00:20:36,773
and I just got my own cab.
431
00:20:36,767 --> 00:20:40,437
And I just I cried all the way
to my friend´s apartment
432
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:45,720
and I, you know,
went to Gavin and told Gavin,
433
00:20:45,716 --> 00:20:49,976
and he said, "That´s rape."
434
00:20:49,980 --> 00:20:54,480
And I said,
"I´m not willing to...
435
00:20:54,484 --> 00:20:56,364
believe that."
436
00:21:00,561 --> 00:21:02,431
-Well, I was on the phone
the first time,
437
00:21:02,432 --> 00:21:05,402
but then we talked about it
again in person.
438
00:21:05,395 --> 00:21:07,265
How I felt was...
439
00:21:09,399 --> 00:21:12,869
...literally physical pain
in my stomach.
440
00:21:12,873 --> 00:21:16,313
I had...
441
00:21:16,306 --> 00:21:20,476
invested so much of my life in
442
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:25,720
literally protecting Brooke,
and then...
443
00:21:25,716 --> 00:21:30,956
loving her as I do,
I was...
444
00:21:30,961 --> 00:21:35,431
angry to hear her story.
445
00:21:35,425 --> 00:21:38,595
I was very, very sad.
446
00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:41,069
I´m very, very sad about it now.
447
00:21:41,071 --> 00:21:44,471
You know,
that´s my little sister.
448
00:21:44,474 --> 00:21:46,714
[ Chuckles and clears throat ]
449
00:21:46,707 --> 00:21:50,307
And I wanted her to know
she didn´t do anything wrong.
450
00:21:52,042 --> 00:21:55,792
And I hope she does now.
I think she does.
451
00:21:55,786 --> 00:21:57,986
[ Sniffles ]
452
00:21:59,990 --> 00:22:02,820
-The thing that I think
I´m the most...
453
00:22:04,795 --> 00:22:07,925
...ashamed of or, you know,
whatever it is,
454
00:22:07,928 --> 00:22:12,528
is that there was
part of me that felt,
455
00:22:12,533 --> 00:22:13,833
"Cool."
456
00:22:13,834 --> 00:22:14,914
-Oh, God, Brooke.
457
00:22:14,905 --> 00:22:16,765
-Because I thought,
458
00:22:16,767 --> 00:22:20,007
oh, maybe this is --
this is the validation.
459
00:22:20,010 --> 00:22:21,970
But it´s like,
it was like,
460
00:22:21,972 --> 00:22:25,722
that was what I had
to do to my brain to --
461
00:22:25,716 --> 00:22:29,016
and he even said to me,
you know, "I can trust you
462
00:22:29,019 --> 00:22:30,779
when I can´t trust people."
-Oh, God.
463
00:22:30,781 --> 00:22:34,761
And I was like --
it´s, like, it´s so cliché,
464
00:22:34,755 --> 00:22:37,455
it´s practically pathetic.
465
00:22:37,457 --> 00:22:41,587
-No, it´s predator talk.
I mean, I don´t...
466
00:22:41,592 --> 00:22:48,472
-I believed somehow
I put out a message,
467
00:22:48,468 --> 00:22:52,798
and that was how
the message was received.
468
00:22:52,803 --> 00:22:54,853
I drank wine at dinner.
469
00:22:54,845 --> 00:22:59,645
I, you know --
I went up to the room.
470
00:22:59,650 --> 00:23:02,810
I just was so trusting.
471
00:23:02,813 --> 00:23:05,523
-She was really
turning it inward.
472
00:23:05,516 --> 00:23:09,386
You carry around this kind of
experience of victimization,
473
00:23:09,389 --> 00:23:12,489
and you drag around
your responsibility for it
474
00:23:12,492 --> 00:23:14,062
inaccurately.
475
00:23:14,064 --> 00:23:17,974
This is an adult
who knew what he was doing,
476
00:23:17,968 --> 00:23:21,498
was genuinely responsible,
genuinely culpable.
477
00:23:21,502 --> 00:23:26,482
And -- And she wasn´t, period.
478
00:23:26,476 --> 00:23:28,006
She was crying.
479
00:23:28,008 --> 00:23:31,078
There´s no way that
that can be misinterpreted.
480
00:23:31,081 --> 00:23:34,721
That is not somebody
who´s looking for --
481
00:23:34,715 --> 00:23:38,515
for a sexual experience.
482
00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:39,919
-I wrote a letter.
483
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,590
I said, you know,
"That was a huge trust
484
00:23:42,593 --> 00:23:45,833
that was just blown up
485
00:23:45,826 --> 00:23:48,756
and disintegrated and destroyed.
486
00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:50,829
And how dare you?
487
00:23:50,831 --> 00:23:55,871
And, you know,
I´m better than that.
488
00:23:55,866 --> 00:23:59,436
I´m better than you are,
actually."
489
00:23:59,439 --> 00:24:04,109
You know, that´s the way
I dealt with things.
490
00:24:04,114 --> 00:24:06,584
It was met
with such dismissive --
491
00:24:06,577 --> 00:24:08,547
It was so dismissed
492
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:10,819
that I just threw my hands up
and I thought,
493
00:24:10,821 --> 00:24:13,081
You know what?
I´m not --
494
00:24:13,083 --> 00:24:15,593
I refuse to be a victim
495
00:24:15,586 --> 00:24:19,856
because this is something
that happens
496
00:24:19,860 --> 00:24:21,930
no matter who you are
497
00:24:21,932 --> 00:24:26,042
and no matter what you think
you´re prepared for or not.
498
00:24:27,898 --> 00:24:31,998
I wanted to erase the whole
thing from my mind and body
499
00:24:32,002 --> 00:24:36,512
and just keep on the path
that I was on.
500
00:24:36,507 --> 00:24:39,077
And the system had never once
501
00:24:39,079 --> 00:24:44,009
come to help me, you know?
502
00:24:44,014 --> 00:24:47,994
So I just had to get stronger
on my own, you know?
503
00:24:52,923 --> 00:24:54,673
[ Propeller whirring ]
504
00:25:03,674 --> 00:25:06,184
-I was doing a movie in Africa.
505
00:25:06,176 --> 00:25:09,576
And I was there
for a good part of it by myself.
506
00:25:11,241 --> 00:25:13,981
Where´s the mother?
-She´d be out hunting.
507
00:25:13,984 --> 00:25:16,094
-But then a friend said to me,
508
00:25:16,086 --> 00:25:19,716
"You know, we´re really
good friends with this guy,
509
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,150
this tennis player.
510
00:25:21,151 --> 00:25:22,651
You guys are very --
511
00:25:22,653 --> 00:25:24,963
There´s something
very similar about you."
512
00:25:28,298 --> 00:25:31,528
I took a Jeep up
to this little spot
513
00:25:31,532 --> 00:25:36,972
where we had one radio tower
and they had a fax machine.
514
00:25:36,967 --> 00:25:40,667
We started faxing
515
00:25:40,671 --> 00:25:44,241
back and forth to each other,
these long letters.
516
00:25:44,244 --> 00:25:46,824
-[ Grunts ]
-Game!
517
00:25:46,817 --> 00:25:49,017
[ Crowd cheering ]
518
00:25:49,019 --> 00:25:52,319
-Total shock and disbelief.
519
00:25:52,322 --> 00:25:56,262
22-year-old Andre Agassi
in tears.
520
00:25:56,256 --> 00:25:58,556
Has won Wimbledon.
521
00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:00,629
[ Cheers and applause ]
522
00:26:00,631 --> 00:26:03,131
-We talked so openly
about our fears
523
00:26:03,133 --> 00:26:05,743
and about being public figures.
524
00:26:05,736 --> 00:26:07,996
We talked about our childhood.
525
00:26:07,998 --> 00:26:10,138
-Andre, how do you like
the game of tennis?
526
00:26:10,140 --> 00:26:11,740
-Fine.
527
00:26:11,742 --> 00:26:13,302
-We had these kind of
intense relationships
528
00:26:13,303 --> 00:26:16,683
with these maternal
and paternal figures.
529
00:26:16,677 --> 00:26:22,247
And he was just so open
and honest and funny.
530
00:26:22,252 --> 00:26:25,862
[ Cheers and applause ]
531
00:26:25,856 --> 00:26:27,916
By the time
I went to California,
532
00:26:27,918 --> 00:26:32,058
we were on this path
of falling in love
533
00:26:32,062 --> 00:26:34,702
in a very chaste sort of way.
534
00:26:34,695 --> 00:26:41,695
♫♫
535
00:26:41,702 --> 00:26:48,742
♫♫
536
00:26:48,739 --> 00:26:52,609
-It was such a, like,
quick romance.
537
00:26:52,613 --> 00:26:54,753
They just hit it off.
538
00:26:54,745 --> 00:26:57,245
[ Cheers and applause ]
539
00:26:57,247 --> 00:26:58,917
-I loved that
I didn´t have to be
540
00:26:58,919 --> 00:27:01,619
the biggest thing in the room.
541
00:27:01,622 --> 00:27:03,652
-Australian Open,
Wimbledon.
542
00:27:03,654 --> 00:27:05,334
-Yeah.
-On top of the TV set.
543
00:27:05,325 --> 00:27:08,025
Yeah, just, you know, in a place
that I can see it every day.
544
00:27:08,028 --> 00:27:09,728
Really, you know?
[ Telephone rings ]
545
00:27:09,730 --> 00:27:11,800
There´s the phone.
This phone rings not too often.
546
00:27:11,802 --> 00:27:13,832
[ Laughs ]
547
00:27:13,834 --> 00:27:15,914
Can I call you later?
548
00:27:15,906 --> 00:27:18,806
Okay.
Yeah, I got your number.
549
00:27:18,809 --> 00:27:20,039
[ Laughs ]
550
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,370
All right. I love you.
Bye.
551
00:27:22,372 --> 00:27:24,012
[ Telephone beeps ]
552
00:27:24,014 --> 00:27:25,924
Um...
553
00:27:25,916 --> 00:27:27,646
-Who was that?
-That was Brooke.
554
00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:32,350
-I´ve learned a lot
from him about commitment,
555
00:27:32,352 --> 00:27:35,192
about following through
on your own,
556
00:27:35,185 --> 00:27:37,255
with a lack of using
a tennis term,
557
00:27:37,257 --> 00:27:39,957
but on what you believe in.
558
00:27:41,692 --> 00:27:46,742
He asked me, "Do you seriously
want to be an actress?
559
00:27:46,737 --> 00:27:51,667
´Cause if you do,
why aren´t you doing it?
560
00:27:51,672 --> 00:27:53,902
You´re waiting for something
that´s not happening.
561
00:27:53,904 --> 00:27:55,314
Get an agent.
562
00:27:55,305 --> 00:27:58,945
Start at ground zero
and start up again."
563
00:28:00,180 --> 00:28:04,210
I knew my mom had no intention
of stopping drinking.
564
00:28:06,356 --> 00:28:09,286
-Wow!
565
00:28:09,289 --> 00:28:12,089
-The alcohol
was ruining her brain.
566
00:28:12,092 --> 00:28:15,002
I think she had had
a couple of mini strokes,
567
00:28:14,995 --> 00:28:19,065
and she was starting to, like,
be found in the next state over.
568
00:28:19,069 --> 00:28:22,029
Well, she was gonna
self-destruct.
569
00:28:23,974 --> 00:28:28,484
I was trying to systematically
take control of everything
570
00:28:28,478 --> 00:28:32,308
in a very fair, kind way,
571
00:28:32,312 --> 00:28:34,282
and she wasn´t hearing it.
572
00:28:34,284 --> 00:28:37,424
So I was like, "Okay,
this is gonna be
573
00:28:37,417 --> 00:28:40,887
probably the most violent thing
you´ve ever done."
574
00:28:40,891 --> 00:28:43,821
And it was.
575
00:28:43,824 --> 00:28:47,034
My mom and I had
an office building.
576
00:28:47,027 --> 00:28:48,327
It had all my archives.
577
00:28:48,328 --> 00:28:50,428
It had everything
I´ve ever done.
578
00:28:50,430 --> 00:28:54,400
Andre´s manager and I
organized a team,
579
00:28:54,404 --> 00:28:57,844
and they went into the office
and they gutted it,
580
00:28:57,838 --> 00:29:00,868
and we shipped it out to Vegas.
581
00:29:00,871 --> 00:29:05,151
She went in on a Monday morning
and the place was just hollow.
582
00:29:05,145 --> 00:29:08,315
It was just echoing and nothing.
583
00:29:08,318 --> 00:29:11,518
Even the stuff
that was hers was there.
584
00:29:14,855 --> 00:29:17,455
What she must have felt
585
00:29:17,457 --> 00:29:20,987
walking in their room
to an empty,
586
00:29:20,991 --> 00:29:24,131
echoing four-story building...
587
00:29:26,436 --> 00:29:29,436
She disappeared
for a couple of days,
588
00:29:29,439 --> 00:29:31,339
wouldn´t talk to me, wouldn´t
answer the phone, nothing.
589
00:29:31,341 --> 00:29:33,071
I couldn´t find her.
590
00:29:33,073 --> 00:29:35,453
And, you know, I went through
all the local police
591
00:29:35,445 --> 00:29:41,245
and everybody,
and eventually she surfaced.
592
00:29:41,251 --> 00:29:43,351
She just couldn´t believe,
you know,
593
00:29:43,353 --> 00:29:46,323
"How could you do that to me?
How could you?"
594
00:29:46,316 --> 00:29:50,386
And I said, "I´m just so sorry.
595
00:29:50,390 --> 00:29:52,260
I didn´t know any other way."
596
00:29:54,164 --> 00:29:56,804
I just went under
his whole umbrella,
597
00:29:56,797 --> 00:30:01,567
and everything just got
swept up into it.
598
00:30:01,572 --> 00:30:05,212
She couldn´t believe
that these entities,
599
00:30:05,205 --> 00:30:08,975
these men, you know,
undid everything,
600
00:30:08,979 --> 00:30:11,579
you know,
and that I went along with it.
601
00:30:11,582 --> 00:30:14,082
She was completely broken.
602
00:30:14,084 --> 00:30:16,394
She even talked about it
publicly.
603
00:30:16,386 --> 00:30:19,046
She never forgave me for that.
604
00:30:19,049 --> 00:30:21,549
-I´m the best judge of Brooke.
605
00:30:21,552 --> 00:30:25,232
And I think the people
who are handling her now
606
00:30:25,225 --> 00:30:28,925
cannot be as qualified as I
607
00:30:28,929 --> 00:30:34,569
because they´ve not lived
with her as long as I have.
608
00:30:34,565 --> 00:30:36,205
-Teri couldn´t see that
609
00:30:36,206 --> 00:30:38,136
somebody else would help Brooke,
610
00:30:38,138 --> 00:30:39,968
but talk about
taking care of somebody.
611
00:30:39,970 --> 00:30:44,850
He really did take care of her,
almost in a fatherly way.
612
00:30:44,845 --> 00:30:47,615
♫♫
613
00:30:47,618 --> 00:30:50,048
-It´s not much surprise
that Brooke
614
00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:54,320
moved from a very controlling
circumstance with her mother
615
00:30:54,324 --> 00:30:57,634
to another person
who was very controlling.
616
00:30:57,628 --> 00:31:01,628
And that´s sometimes how you
get out of one relationship
617
00:31:01,632 --> 00:31:06,142
is you get into another one
that answers all the questions
618
00:31:06,136 --> 00:31:07,936
and takes care of everything.
619
00:31:07,938 --> 00:31:10,298
[ Cheers and applause ]
620
00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:15,080
♫♫
621
00:31:15,075 --> 00:31:18,545
-Tonight, I´m going to start
my life over.
622
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:21,349
Andre, you´ve made my life
come more to life
623
00:31:21,351 --> 00:31:22,981
than I could have
ever dreamt of.
624
00:31:22,983 --> 00:31:24,483
And I love you
with all my heart.
625
00:31:24,484 --> 00:31:28,324
[ Applause ]
626
00:31:28,318 --> 00:31:30,518
Something in me knew
that I wouldn´t be able
627
00:31:30,521 --> 00:31:33,261
to separate from my mother
628
00:31:33,263 --> 00:31:35,333
without somebody like Andre.
629
00:31:35,325 --> 00:31:43,425
♫♫
630
00:31:43,433 --> 00:31:47,113
I remember after the wedding,
we...
631
00:31:47,107 --> 00:31:49,537
we all went to the airport.
632
00:31:52,212 --> 00:31:54,442
They were flying away,
633
00:31:54,444 --> 00:31:56,994
and I went to say goodbye
to Brooke.
634
00:31:56,987 --> 00:32:00,587
Everybody on the plane
was somebody in Andre´s world,
635
00:32:00,591 --> 00:32:04,151
and she´d moved
into Andre´s world.
636
00:32:04,154 --> 00:32:08,434
She really went off into,
you know, something else.
637
00:32:14,505 --> 00:32:17,705
[ Indistinct shouting ]
638
00:32:21,271 --> 00:32:23,411
-I got an agent,
639
00:32:23,413 --> 00:32:26,353
and I was ready
to start up again.
640
00:32:26,346 --> 00:32:28,346
Do I have anything
in there or...
641
00:32:28,348 --> 00:32:30,448
-Just mail back here.
-Yeah? Okay.
642
00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:32,120
Odd.
643
00:32:32,122 --> 00:32:33,722
-It´s on the fire hose.
-It´s on the fire hose.
644
00:32:33,724 --> 00:32:35,664
I have my own fire hose.
645
00:32:35,656 --> 00:32:37,656
Okay.
646
00:32:37,658 --> 00:32:39,328
Alright.
647
00:32:39,329 --> 00:32:42,529
I got cast on Broadway
in "Grease."
648
00:32:42,533 --> 00:32:45,643
-Grease is the word after
her Broadway debut last night.
649
00:32:45,636 --> 00:32:48,636
Brooke is back and tennis star
Andre Agassi is with her
650
00:32:48,639 --> 00:32:51,999
every step of the way.
651
00:32:52,002 --> 00:32:54,272
[ Telephone rings ]
652
00:32:54,274 --> 00:32:56,554
-Excuse me.
653
00:32:56,547 --> 00:32:58,507
[ Laughing ] Hello?
654
00:32:58,509 --> 00:33:01,249
She´s no longer in the show.
655
00:33:01,251 --> 00:33:04,451
This is my dressing room now.
656
00:33:04,454 --> 00:33:06,464
[ Laughing ]
That´s okay.
657
00:33:06,456 --> 00:33:08,116
But you should really come
and see me in the show.
658
00:33:08,118 --> 00:33:11,558
I do a different Rizzo,
but it´s -- it´s great.
659
00:33:11,562 --> 00:33:14,262
Broadway was such
a new medium for me,
660
00:33:14,264 --> 00:33:18,104
and I really had to dig deep.
661
00:33:18,098 --> 00:33:20,398
-♫ She´s gonna be a celebrity ♫
662
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,600
-♫ That means
somebody everyone knows ♫
663
00:33:23,604 --> 00:33:26,714
-When she joined our company,
I was a little skeptical.
664
00:33:26,707 --> 00:33:29,177
-Yes, oh, yes, we both, oh, yes,
we both, oh, yes, we both...
665
00:33:29,179 --> 00:33:32,139
-And then she did
some physical-comedy stuff.
666
00:33:32,142 --> 00:33:33,742
It was hilarious.
667
00:33:33,744 --> 00:33:36,724
The respect level from
the company was, like, up here
668
00:33:36,717 --> 00:33:38,787
because we were watching her
and we were like,
669
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:43,549
"Oh, she´s got this.
She´s worked for this."
670
00:33:43,554 --> 00:33:45,734
-People did say to my face,
671
00:33:45,726 --> 00:33:48,796
"I really thought you were
gonna suck, but you´re good!"
672
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:51,199
[ Laughs ] And you´re just like,
"I´ll take it.
673
00:33:51,201 --> 00:33:54,461
Thank you very much
for that generous compliment."
674
00:33:54,464 --> 00:33:57,414
-♫ Come on, Jackson,
you´re gettin´ hip ♫
675
00:33:57,407 --> 00:34:00,207
-More people started
asking me to do comedy.
676
00:34:00,210 --> 00:34:01,510
-Oh, my favorite dish!
677
00:34:01,512 --> 00:34:03,372
I always wanted to do it.
678
00:34:03,373 --> 00:34:06,653
It just never seemed
an option for me.
679
00:34:06,647 --> 00:34:11,077
It started with --
with "Friends."
680
00:34:11,081 --> 00:34:13,481
-Hello.
-It´s Erika.
681
00:34:13,483 --> 00:34:15,163
-Oh, my God.
The stalker.
682
00:34:15,155 --> 00:34:17,325
-They said, "We´re doing
a Super Bowl episode,
683
00:34:17,327 --> 00:34:22,357
and they want you to play
Joey´s psycho girlfriend."
684
00:34:22,362 --> 00:34:23,732
[ Laughter ]
685
00:34:23,734 --> 00:34:26,074
[ Cheers and applause ]
686
00:34:27,437 --> 00:34:28,597
Hi.
687
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:30,339
-Erika.
688
00:34:30,771 --> 00:34:33,471
[ Laughter ]
689
00:34:33,473 --> 00:34:36,083
-We did the scene
where I´m sitting with Joey
690
00:34:36,076 --> 00:34:39,746
and I do this crazy laugh
where I throw my head back
691
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:42,610
and then I just
get serious again.
692
00:34:42,613 --> 00:34:46,663
Marta Kauffman said,
"Brooke, it´s too much.
693
00:34:46,657 --> 00:34:50,387
The stakes are too high.
It makes you look too crazy."
694
00:34:50,390 --> 00:34:53,490
And -- and I said,
"Yeah, but she´s like,
695
00:34:53,493 --> 00:34:58,633
really pretty,
so she should be really crazy."
696
00:34:58,629 --> 00:35:02,369
When it came time to film
in front of an audience,
697
00:35:02,372 --> 00:35:04,102
we do the first take,
698
00:35:04,104 --> 00:35:06,584
and all of a sudden
from across the stage I hear,
699
00:35:06,577 --> 00:35:09,537
"Shields, put it back in!"
700
00:35:09,540 --> 00:35:11,480
Let me see those hands.
701
00:35:11,481 --> 00:35:13,641
Oh, these hands,
these beautiful hands.
702
00:35:13,644 --> 00:35:16,894
[ Laughs ]
Oh, I could just eat them.
703
00:35:16,887 --> 00:35:19,517
But I won´t.
704
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,490
-Otherwise, my watch
would fell off.
705
00:35:21,491 --> 00:35:27,501
-[ Laughs hysterically ]
706
00:35:27,497 --> 00:35:30,257
No, seriously.
707
00:35:30,260 --> 00:35:31,430
These hands...
708
00:35:31,431 --> 00:35:33,531
Andre 1,000% supported.
709
00:35:33,534 --> 00:35:37,414
He read the script.
He knew what part I was playing.
710
00:35:37,407 --> 00:35:40,237
He knew that I was
a crazy person
711
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:44,580
who just is obsessed with Joey.
712
00:35:44,575 --> 00:35:46,345
-All right?
[ Chuckles nervously ]
713
00:35:46,346 --> 00:35:49,816
-So I went for it,
and I just start, like,
714
00:35:49,820 --> 00:35:51,720
licking his fingers
and, you know,
715
00:35:51,722 --> 00:35:54,532
just, like, devouring
these surgeon hands.
716
00:35:54,525 --> 00:35:56,325
-You´re good at that.
717
00:35:56,326 --> 00:36:00,386
-I get back
to the dressing room.
718
00:36:00,390 --> 00:36:04,430
Andre had stormed out,
and he said,
719
00:36:04,434 --> 00:36:05,704
"Everybody´s making fun of me
in there.
720
00:36:05,696 --> 00:36:08,566
You made a fool of me.
How dare you?"
721
00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:10,369
You know,
"You´re my girlfriend,
722
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:12,170
and now you´re sticking
your tongue all over everybody."
723
00:36:12,172 --> 00:36:15,952
And I was just like,
"Y-You read the script.
724
00:36:15,946 --> 00:36:18,776
It wasn´t real."
725
00:36:18,779 --> 00:36:22,179
He drove home.
726
00:36:22,182 --> 00:36:24,562
And he destroyed
727
00:36:24,555 --> 00:36:29,285
every single one
of his trophies,
728
00:36:29,289 --> 00:36:32,459
like, smashed Wimbledon,
729
00:36:32,462 --> 00:36:36,672
smashed French Open.
730
00:36:36,667 --> 00:36:38,697
-And he´s the number-one
tennis player in the world.
731
00:36:38,699 --> 00:36:40,669
He´s just signed
a $150 million contract.
732
00:36:40,671 --> 00:36:42,631
He´s got
his own private jet.
733
00:36:42,633 --> 00:36:44,783
He has you
as his girlfriend.
734
00:36:44,775 --> 00:36:46,705
What´s not
to feel good about?
735
00:36:46,707 --> 00:36:48,977
-But unless you have
a real sense
736
00:36:48,979 --> 00:36:53,679
of your belief in yourself
deserving those things,
737
00:36:53,684 --> 00:36:56,754
then they become
very relative.
738
00:36:56,747 --> 00:36:59,717
I thought,
he´s an intense personality.
739
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:04,420
And yet because I was so used to
growing up with an alcoholic
740
00:37:04,424 --> 00:37:10,634
whose moods would change,
the erratic behavior didn´t --
741
00:37:10,631 --> 00:37:13,661
I didn´t know what was going on.
742
00:37:13,664 --> 00:37:16,944
I mean, we hardly ever
spoke about it again.
743
00:37:19,940 --> 00:37:24,440
A few years later,
we got a divorce.
744
00:37:24,444 --> 00:37:26,254
We should have
just been friends.
745
00:37:26,246 --> 00:37:29,546
I don´t think we should have
ever been husband and wife.
746
00:37:29,550 --> 00:37:33,780
We weren´t meant
to be each other´s
747
00:37:33,784 --> 00:37:38,394
lifelong partner or parents
of children, you know?
748
00:37:41,762 --> 00:37:48,672
♫♫
749
00:37:48,669 --> 00:37:52,669
-What is the most coveted time
period in all of television?
750
00:37:52,673 --> 00:37:56,753
Thursday night at 9:30
on NBC.
751
00:37:56,747 --> 00:37:59,577
-I got a call from my agent
and they said,
752
00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:01,580
"How would you like
doing your own show?"
753
00:38:01,582 --> 00:38:03,712
-And the winner is...
754
00:38:03,714 --> 00:38:06,824
Brooke Shields
in "Suddenly Susan."
755
00:38:06,817 --> 00:38:08,317
-This fall, Brooke Shields
756
00:38:08,318 --> 00:38:09,718
as you´ve never seen her before.
757
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:11,860
-One of the surprise stories
in TV this season
758
00:38:11,862 --> 00:38:14,872
is the reemergence
of Brooke Shields.
759
00:38:14,865 --> 00:38:16,765
-What I liked
about "Suddenly Susan"
760
00:38:16,767 --> 00:38:20,967
is that it was the story
of this icon
761
00:38:20,971 --> 00:38:22,601
becoming this different person.
762
00:38:22,603 --> 00:38:25,043
She, in a way, created
a counter plot.
763
00:38:25,035 --> 00:38:27,805
-Check it out. I just got
the new Duran Duran album.
764
00:38:27,808 --> 00:38:29,608
-Radical! Can I see?
765
00:38:29,610 --> 00:38:31,310
-Yeah, sure.
It´s in my locker.
766
00:38:31,311 --> 00:38:32,811
-Excellent.
767
00:38:32,813 --> 00:38:35,823
You know who goes from
"Blue Lagoon" and "Endless Love"
768
00:38:35,816 --> 00:38:39,546
and then wants
to be in a sitcom?
769
00:38:39,550 --> 00:38:42,090
-There´s a whole thing
in the entertainment industry,
770
00:38:42,092 --> 00:38:46,402
which is women can´t be
pretty and funny.
771
00:38:46,396 --> 00:38:51,426
You can´t be on the cover
of magazines and be gorgeous
772
00:38:51,431 --> 00:38:53,931
and also go be a comedian.
773
00:38:53,934 --> 00:38:55,544
Pick a lane, bitch.
774
00:38:55,536 --> 00:38:57,806
-♫ Everybody wants a girl
like Susan ♫
775
00:38:57,808 --> 00:39:00,338
-The camaraderie with the cast
776
00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:03,810
was so energizing.
777
00:39:03,814 --> 00:39:05,784
"Suddenly Susan"
was the first time
778
00:39:05,776 --> 00:39:10,846
I ever felt fully, fully, fully,
fully where I was meant to be.
779
00:39:10,851 --> 00:39:12,551
You don´t know me as well
as you think you do.
780
00:39:12,553 --> 00:39:14,123
-[ Chuckles ] I knew you were
gonna say that.
781
00:39:16,887 --> 00:39:18,887
-You know I was gonna do that?
Huh?
782
00:39:18,889 --> 00:39:20,759
How about that?!
Huh?
783
00:39:20,761 --> 00:39:23,731
-Aah! Wait till I figure out
how to get out of this thing.
784
00:39:23,734 --> 00:39:25,374
-I read the pilot
to play her boss,
785
00:39:25,365 --> 00:39:28,095
and he was very weird,
and I liked it.
786
00:39:28,098 --> 00:39:30,638
No question,
it´s Brooke Shields´ show.
787
00:39:30,641 --> 00:39:32,471
This has everything
going for it.
788
00:39:32,472 --> 00:39:33,642
-Shoulder bump
and shoulder bump
789
00:39:33,644 --> 00:39:35,414
and pivot one, pivot two,
790
00:39:35,405 --> 00:39:36,775
How badly do you want it?!
791
00:39:36,777 --> 00:39:38,477
-I want it!
792
00:39:38,478 --> 00:39:40,548
-It wasn´t like
she became funny. No.
793
00:39:40,551 --> 00:39:45,021
That was always there.
We just didn´t get to see it.
794
00:39:45,015 --> 00:39:49,755
-The physical comedy,
the throwing yourself into it,
795
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,560
was such a catharsis for me.
796
00:39:53,564 --> 00:39:56,634
Somebody cut!
797
00:39:56,627 --> 00:39:58,097
This award --
798
00:39:58,098 --> 00:40:01,898
it represents the essence
of why we do what we do.
799
00:40:01,902 --> 00:40:03,772
Network executives
are just saying,
800
00:40:03,774 --> 00:40:05,614
"Well, we´ve got her,
so that´s good.
801
00:40:05,606 --> 00:40:07,406
So just keep writing the same
show and keep, you know --
802
00:40:07,407 --> 00:40:09,037
have a trip
and fall each episode,
803
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:11,709
and that´ll be enough."
804
00:40:11,712 --> 00:40:15,022
[ Laughter ]
805
00:40:15,015 --> 00:40:18,645
I was like, "You guys, I´m not
above falling off things.
806
00:40:18,649 --> 00:40:20,019
It´s always funny,
807
00:40:20,020 --> 00:40:23,190
but there´s got to be
more to the comedy here.
808
00:40:23,193 --> 00:40:26,203
If you just use me
in this one way,
809
00:40:26,196 --> 00:40:29,496
we´ll be gone
as quickly as as we got here."
810
00:40:29,499 --> 00:40:33,629
I got a job in New York
so that we could be together.
811
00:40:33,634 --> 00:40:35,114
It was supposed to be
a surprise.
812
00:40:35,105 --> 00:40:37,065
And eventually
the show got canceled,
813
00:40:37,067 --> 00:40:41,067
but it didn´t hinder
my confidence.
814
00:40:41,071 --> 00:40:44,041
I think I did set out to say,
815
00:40:44,044 --> 00:40:47,154
"You all think I can´t do this,
but just watch me."
816
00:40:47,147 --> 00:40:49,977
And I think the same thing was
happening in college as well.
817
00:40:49,980 --> 00:40:51,820
You know, "She´s not gonna
be serious.
818
00:40:51,822 --> 00:40:53,722
She´s not gonna be that bright."
819
00:40:53,724 --> 00:40:55,094
But I thought, you know what?
820
00:40:55,085 --> 00:40:57,025
I´m just gonna
not only surprise them,
821
00:40:57,027 --> 00:40:58,687
but I´m gonna surprise myself
822
00:40:58,689 --> 00:41:00,989
because
whatever I think I can do,
823
00:41:00,991 --> 00:41:04,461
I´m gonna push to be better
in everything.
824
00:41:08,098 --> 00:41:13,498
That I met Chris,
who was the first person
825
00:41:13,504 --> 00:41:16,014
that...
826
00:41:16,006 --> 00:41:20,206
I could be
all of those things with.
827
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:21,810
-How´d you meet?
828
00:41:21,812 --> 00:41:23,182
-He was writing
a Christmas special
829
00:41:23,183 --> 00:41:24,623
that I was hosting.
830
00:41:24,615 --> 00:41:26,085
-You like him right away?
-Right away.
831
00:41:26,086 --> 00:41:27,156
He´s very down to earth.
832
00:41:27,157 --> 00:41:28,787
-He was not intimidated?
833
00:41:28,789 --> 00:41:32,589
-I think he focuses on
my more dorky side.
834
00:41:32,593 --> 00:41:37,033
Chris saw my comedy, and that
was sort of how we met.
835
00:41:38,198 --> 00:41:41,768
It was a very difficult time
836
00:41:41,772 --> 00:41:44,742
coming out of a divorce.
837
00:41:44,735 --> 00:41:47,275
My dad got diagnosed
with cancer.
838
00:41:47,277 --> 00:41:51,837
And here was this
just normal guy, like --
839
00:41:51,842 --> 00:41:56,252
you know, I mean,
I had a big, big life.
840
00:41:56,246 --> 00:41:58,146
He just wasn´t fazed.
841
00:41:58,148 --> 00:42:01,848
He wasn´t fazed by my mother.
He wasn´t fazed by my father.
842
00:42:01,852 --> 00:42:06,762
And he made me just feel
worth all of it.
843
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:13,029
-The second marriage was
the more mature Brooke
844
00:42:13,033 --> 00:42:16,313
deciding what her life
should look like.
845
00:42:16,306 --> 00:42:22,166
She had a much stronger sense
of being on her own.
846
00:42:22,172 --> 00:42:24,212
-Let me see your tattoo,
Christopher.
847
00:42:24,214 --> 00:42:25,824
-It´s right there.
848
00:42:25,816 --> 00:42:28,116
You might have to use
a wide-angle lens
849
00:42:28,118 --> 00:42:29,918
´cause the guns!
850
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,850
-We´re gonna watch this later.
It´s going to be --
851
00:42:31,852 --> 00:42:33,222
-In you´re gonna laugh
because it´s done...
852
00:42:33,223 --> 00:42:35,793
-Porn.
-...really nicely done.
853
00:42:35,786 --> 00:42:36,956
It´s tasteful.
854
00:42:36,957 --> 00:42:38,587
-[ Laughs ]
It´s tasteful.
855
00:42:38,589 --> 00:42:40,329
Dad, put your arm around Mom
for just a second.
856
00:42:40,330 --> 00:42:43,060
Just to -- a bit of a fantasy
of mine come true.
857
00:42:43,063 --> 00:42:45,573
This one fantasy of mine
come true in my life.
858
00:42:45,566 --> 00:42:47,866
Yes, there it is.
There we go.
859
00:42:47,868 --> 00:42:50,998
[ Guitar playing ]
860
00:42:51,001 --> 00:42:56,211
-♫ Well, let´s give
your heart to me ♫
861
00:42:56,206 --> 00:43:02,776
♫ Let´s bring heaven down here ♫
862
00:43:02,783 --> 00:43:06,993
♫ Let´s bring, yes, heaven ♫
863
00:43:06,987 --> 00:43:09,217
♫ Oh, down ♫
864
00:43:09,219 --> 00:43:15,199
♫ I don´t want to wait
for the angels ♫
865
00:43:15,195 --> 00:43:16,625
-Brooke and Chris,
866
00:43:16,627 --> 00:43:20,167
I now pronounce
you man and wife.
867
00:43:20,170 --> 00:43:22,100
You may kiss the bride.
868
00:43:23,704 --> 00:43:26,614
[ Applause ]
869
00:43:26,607 --> 00:43:29,107
-What do you want to be
when you grow up?
870
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:31,239
-Well, I want to be a mother.
871
00:43:31,241 --> 00:43:32,881
I mean,
I want to continue acting,
872
00:43:32,883 --> 00:43:34,923
but I also would like
to be a mother,
873
00:43:34,915 --> 00:43:36,285
´cause I love kids.
874
00:43:36,286 --> 00:43:40,646
♫♫
875
00:43:40,651 --> 00:43:44,391
I loved babies
since I was a baby.
876
00:43:44,394 --> 00:43:48,034
I wanted to babysit
before I was old enough.
877
00:43:48,028 --> 00:43:49,728
The only thing that I knew
for sure
878
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:53,000
was that I wanted to have kids.
879
00:43:53,003 --> 00:43:55,313
And we tried,
880
00:43:55,305 --> 00:43:58,735
and nothing was happening.
881
00:43:58,739 --> 00:44:02,039
I started doing IVF early,
as quickly as I could,
882
00:44:02,042 --> 00:44:04,212
and then when it wasn´t working,
883
00:44:04,214 --> 00:44:07,754
I started going into this,
"I´m being punished" part.
884
00:44:07,748 --> 00:44:09,248
I was like,
"Something´s wrong with me.
885
00:44:09,249 --> 00:44:10,779
Oh, my God.
I´m not meant to be a mother.
886
00:44:10,781 --> 00:44:12,151
How could this be?
887
00:44:12,152 --> 00:44:14,152
I´ve had too much
that´s good in my life."
888
00:44:14,154 --> 00:44:15,964
And he was like, "Stop.
889
00:44:15,956 --> 00:44:18,286
You don´t have to
do that anymore.
890
00:44:18,288 --> 00:44:19,928
You´re not being punished
for anything.
891
00:44:19,930 --> 00:44:21,790
That´s not the way
the world works.
892
00:44:21,792 --> 00:44:25,242
And, you know, snap out of it."
[ Chuckles ]
893
00:44:25,235 --> 00:44:30,195
First time, after all the drugs,
I get pregnant.
894
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,140
Three months later,
I lose that baby.
895
00:44:33,143 --> 00:44:34,883
And he was like,
"We´re gonna wait
896
00:44:34,875 --> 00:44:38,805
till we can do it again,
and we´re gonna do it again."
897
00:44:38,809 --> 00:44:42,049
On the seventh transfer,
898
00:44:42,052 --> 00:44:43,982
I got pregnant
899
00:44:43,984 --> 00:44:46,064
and that was Rowan.
900
00:44:47,858 --> 00:44:51,758
It´s like one of the first times
I really looked at myself.
901
00:44:51,762 --> 00:44:55,772
And I looked at this body,
and it was growing
902
00:44:55,766 --> 00:44:57,066
and it had life in it,
903
00:44:57,067 --> 00:44:59,727
and I was sort of fuller
and flushed,
904
00:44:59,730 --> 00:45:05,110
and I just thought,
I feel sexier than ever,
905
00:45:05,105 --> 00:45:08,205
because it wasn´t just about me.
906
00:45:08,208 --> 00:45:10,808
You know, it was about
this little person.
907
00:45:10,811 --> 00:45:12,141
There was a radiance to that.
908
00:45:12,142 --> 00:45:13,812
And that was one
of the first times
909
00:45:13,814 --> 00:45:18,054
I was like,
"I feel really good."
910
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:23,490
I had this just vision
of how I wanted to,
911
00:45:23,493 --> 00:45:25,303
you know, scream and sweat,
you know,
912
00:45:25,295 --> 00:45:27,255
they put the baby on your chest
and everything is good.
913
00:45:27,257 --> 00:45:29,427
-24 hours of labor.
914
00:45:29,429 --> 00:45:30,999
-You´re a little stubborn.
915
00:45:31,001 --> 00:45:33,301
-[ Laughs ] Little...
-Just a little stubborn.
916
00:45:33,303 --> 00:45:36,013
You´re a little Taurus.
917
00:45:36,006 --> 00:45:38,966
And the cervix didn´t cooperate.
918
00:45:38,969 --> 00:45:40,969
So we´re gonna take you out
919
00:45:40,971 --> 00:45:42,811
so you can
meet your mom and dad
920
00:45:42,813 --> 00:45:45,153
[cries] soon.
921
00:45:47,017 --> 00:45:48,747
-We´ll see you soon.
922
00:45:48,749 --> 00:45:51,279
-It went from, "We´re gonna
really try to give you
923
00:45:51,281 --> 00:45:53,121
the experience you want"
924
00:45:53,123 --> 00:45:56,193
to emergency C-section
925
00:45:56,186 --> 00:46:00,426
to so much blood loss to...
926
00:46:00,430 --> 00:46:03,930
"You´re not gonna
live through this."
927
00:46:03,934 --> 00:46:06,444
I labored for 24 hours,
928
00:46:06,436 --> 00:46:09,536
and finally Rowan was born.
929
00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:14,340
And everybody
was rejoicing around me.
930
00:46:14,344 --> 00:46:18,014
-Here she had this baby,
and it was so exciting.
931
00:46:18,008 --> 00:46:22,248
But it was pretty clear
not long after they went home
932
00:46:22,252 --> 00:46:25,292
that something was a little off.
933
00:46:27,387 --> 00:46:29,187
-They thought it was
the baby blues.
934
00:46:29,189 --> 00:46:31,789
They all thought,
oh, all the moms cry
935
00:46:31,792 --> 00:46:34,292
and all the moms are exhausted.
936
00:46:34,294 --> 00:46:36,904
I just got back
to our apartment,
937
00:46:36,897 --> 00:46:40,797
and I just gave Chris the baby,
938
00:46:40,801 --> 00:46:43,031
and I left.
939
00:46:43,033 --> 00:46:46,943
I just went to bed, and then
I started taking long showers
940
00:46:46,937 --> 00:46:50,107
and it wouldn´t, you know --
I wouldn´t see anybody.
941
00:46:50,110 --> 00:46:54,890
I wouldn´t talk to anybody.
I wouldn´t -- I just cried.
942
00:46:54,885 --> 00:46:58,115
-After she had Rowan,
she kept asking me, like,
943
00:46:58,118 --> 00:47:00,188
"Did you feel this?"
944
00:47:00,190 --> 00:47:04,220
And, "How come I don´t want
to hold her?
945
00:47:04,224 --> 00:47:06,464
Did you ever feel that,
946
00:47:06,456 --> 00:47:09,526
you know, you just didn´t
want to be around your kids?"
947
00:47:09,530 --> 00:47:14,200
And after a while I said,
"You know, this is not normal."
948
00:47:14,204 --> 00:47:17,074
-That turned into, "Oh, my God.
949
00:47:17,067 --> 00:47:19,937
All of these violent things
are gonna happen to her."
950
00:47:19,940 --> 00:47:23,870
[ Voice breaking ] And I would
see her little body...
951
00:47:23,874 --> 00:47:26,384
I would see her little body
just...
952
00:47:26,376 --> 00:47:28,446
her, like, hurled at the wall
953
00:47:28,448 --> 00:47:30,248
and just lie down, slumped down.
954
00:47:30,250 --> 00:47:33,420
And I wasn´t throwing her.
955
00:47:33,423 --> 00:47:37,363
You know, I wasn´t the one,
but I was...
956
00:47:37,357 --> 00:47:39,627
"What kind of a mother
has these thoughts?
957
00:47:39,630 --> 00:47:45,500
I´m supposed to want to live,
breathe, sleep with her."
958
00:47:45,495 --> 00:47:50,565
I was -- I was a monster.
I was just, I was --
959
00:47:50,571 --> 00:47:53,301
passed by things like the block
with all the knives,
960
00:47:53,303 --> 00:47:57,283
and you´re like,
"That could slice into her
961
00:47:57,277 --> 00:48:02,377
helpless, little,
can´t-even-talk-yet body and --"
962
00:48:02,382 --> 00:48:03,912
Like, it was -- it was --
963
00:48:03,914 --> 00:48:08,194
I thought I was going
truly insane.
964
00:48:08,188 --> 00:48:12,658
-She wasn´t, though,
talking about it immediately.
965
00:48:12,663 --> 00:48:15,673
And she put so much pressure
on herself to be perfect
966
00:48:15,666 --> 00:48:18,126
that she wasn´t meeting
her expectations
967
00:48:18,128 --> 00:48:19,568
for what she should feel like
968
00:48:19,570 --> 00:48:22,400
and how she should know
how to do everything.
969
00:48:22,402 --> 00:48:24,372
-Nobody understood me,
970
00:48:24,374 --> 00:48:29,344
and my husband was just
so at a loss, you know,
971
00:48:29,339 --> 00:48:35,049
and he said,
"I went to go see other mothers
972
00:48:35,045 --> 00:48:37,015
buying things for their kids,
973
00:48:37,017 --> 00:48:38,917
and they were all humming
and singing
974
00:48:38,919 --> 00:48:41,449
and holding their babies
and loving on them."
975
00:48:41,451 --> 00:48:45,131
And he was like,
"Why don´t you sing to her?"
976
00:48:45,125 --> 00:48:48,525
And I was like,
"I -- she doesn´t need me.
977
00:48:48,529 --> 00:48:50,299
She doesn´t need me."
978
00:48:52,703 --> 00:48:56,573
Finally,
someone who´s a doula said,
979
00:48:56,567 --> 00:48:59,407
"I think she has postpartum."
980
00:48:59,409 --> 00:49:04,579
And, you know,
would I take some medication?
981
00:49:04,575 --> 00:49:06,575
-Getting the outside help
she needed
982
00:49:06,577 --> 00:49:10,517
was really important for her
to understand that it´s okay.
983
00:49:10,521 --> 00:49:12,551
Like, you don´t have
to be perfect.
984
00:49:12,553 --> 00:49:15,133
You´ll get through
to the other side.
985
00:49:15,125 --> 00:49:17,585
-I started seeing
a postpartum therapist.
986
00:49:17,588 --> 00:49:20,658
Over the course
of the next few months,
987
00:49:20,661 --> 00:49:23,291
I sort of started coming
to my senses
988
00:49:23,293 --> 00:49:27,173
and being much more present
in the room.
989
00:49:27,167 --> 00:49:30,567
I was working with an agent
at the time, and he said,
990
00:49:30,571 --> 00:49:33,471
"You know, if you´re --
you should tell your story.
991
00:49:33,473 --> 00:49:35,083
You know, you should..."
992
00:49:35,075 --> 00:49:37,205
And I said,
"Nobody´s gonna want to hear
993
00:49:37,207 --> 00:49:39,077
a celebrity on a soapbox.
994
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:41,309
You know, ´I have everything
and I get the baby of my dreams
995
00:49:41,311 --> 00:49:43,311
and I´m sad,´ you know?"
996
00:49:43,313 --> 00:49:47,193
He said,
"You´ve been through that,
997
00:49:47,187 --> 00:49:48,517
and you could help people."
998
00:49:54,765 --> 00:49:58,095
-Brooke has written a new book
called "Down Came the Rain:
999
00:49:58,098 --> 00:50:00,398
My Journey Through
Postpartum Depression."
1000
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,540
-I decided to talk about
the experience publicly
1001
00:50:04,535 --> 00:50:10,175
because I was made to feel
that somehow I was --
1002
00:50:10,180 --> 00:50:12,680
the fault was with me
1003
00:50:12,683 --> 00:50:14,383
and that it really
wasn´t that common,
1004
00:50:14,384 --> 00:50:15,754
´cause nobody
was talking about it.
1005
00:50:15,746 --> 00:50:17,416
I thought I was going to
look at her and I thought
1006
00:50:17,417 --> 00:50:20,417
I was going to see my soul
in her eyes.
1007
00:50:20,420 --> 00:50:22,190
And you were gonna
look at your baby --
1008
00:50:22,192 --> 00:50:24,122
-Everything that everybody
ever says --
1009
00:50:24,124 --> 00:50:27,264
"It´s the most amazing moment
of your life, and oh, my God."
1010
00:50:27,257 --> 00:50:29,297
-I don´t know how many people
are really telling the truth,
1011
00:50:29,299 --> 00:50:31,429
´cause I --
[ Laughter ]
1012
00:50:31,431 --> 00:50:33,561
I think it gave
people permission
1013
00:50:33,564 --> 00:50:38,574
to feel these things
and get help.
1014
00:50:38,569 --> 00:50:41,139
-She talked so publicly
about something
1015
00:50:41,141 --> 00:50:48,181
that had been really dismissed
by some people,
1016
00:50:48,178 --> 00:50:51,278
not recognized, not understood.
1017
00:50:51,281 --> 00:50:54,561
And she brought it
much more out into the open,
1018
00:50:54,555 --> 00:50:58,655
really demystified it
in some ways.
1019
00:50:58,659 --> 00:51:00,829
-You write that, "He was holding
our little girl.
1020
00:51:00,831 --> 00:51:03,261
Chris looked optimistic
and peaceful.
1021
00:51:03,263 --> 00:51:06,273
Wasn´t he lucky?
I was bleeding buckets
1022
00:51:06,266 --> 00:51:07,536
and he was holding on
tightly
1023
00:51:07,538 --> 00:51:10,838
to a perfect,
frowning angel baby.
1024
00:51:10,841 --> 00:51:14,101
I stared at this
glowing father-child image
1025
00:51:14,104 --> 00:51:17,114
and was bombarded with feelings
of jealousy,
1026
00:51:17,107 --> 00:51:18,277
fear, and rage."
1027
00:51:18,278 --> 00:51:20,208
-There is a myth around
1028
00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:23,650
the ease with which
birthing a child
1029
00:51:23,654 --> 00:51:25,594
and falling in love
with your child
1030
00:51:25,586 --> 00:51:28,716
and being maternal
naturally to your child
1031
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,759
that came out of your body.
1032
00:51:30,761 --> 00:51:32,621
And it´s really
a frightening thing
1033
00:51:32,623 --> 00:51:35,103
to have the picture
look different.
1034
00:51:35,095 --> 00:51:36,665
-This reverts to the mommy myth
1035
00:51:36,667 --> 00:51:40,527
that every mother is inherently
a naturally, you know --
1036
00:51:40,531 --> 00:51:43,371
a committed, dedicated,
you know, adoring,
1037
00:51:43,373 --> 00:51:46,483
and, you know,
accomplished mother
1038
00:51:46,476 --> 00:51:48,106
and loves every minute of it.
1039
00:51:48,108 --> 00:51:50,238
And, of course,
this isn´t true for anyone.
1040
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,580
And I think when someone like
Brooke Shields comes out
1041
00:51:52,583 --> 00:51:55,223
and talks about it,
it makes a difference.
1042
00:51:55,215 --> 00:51:57,645
-And it wasn´t just about,
you know,
1043
00:51:57,648 --> 00:52:00,118
wallowing in
her own self experience.
1044
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,650
You know, she did it to...
1045
00:52:03,524 --> 00:52:05,304
...to let people feel okay.
1046
00:52:05,295 --> 00:52:07,595
You know, and then that sort of
became hijacked from her.
1047
00:52:07,598 --> 00:52:10,258
-There is no such thing
as a chemical imbalance.
1048
00:52:10,260 --> 00:52:13,330
-Tom Cruise denounced her
on the "Today" show.
1049
00:52:13,333 --> 00:52:14,743
-The thing that I´m saying
about Brooke
1050
00:52:14,735 --> 00:52:18,135
is that there´s
misinformation, okay?
1051
00:52:18,138 --> 00:52:20,908
And she doesn´t understand
the history of psychiatry.
1052
00:52:20,911 --> 00:52:22,771
She doesn´t understand,
in the same way
1053
00:52:22,773 --> 00:52:24,413
that you don´t
understand it, Matt.
1054
00:52:24,414 --> 00:52:27,584
-Well, if anti-depressants
work for Brooke Shields,
1055
00:52:27,578 --> 00:52:28,818
why isn´t that okay?
1056
00:52:28,819 --> 00:52:30,349
-I disagree with it.
1057
00:52:30,350 --> 00:52:32,580
-You´re attacked by
one of the most powerful
1058
00:52:32,583 --> 00:52:34,733
male movie stars in the world.
1059
00:52:34,725 --> 00:52:37,155
You´re attacked
for seeing a psychiatrist,
1060
00:52:37,157 --> 00:52:39,657
for taking meds.
1061
00:52:39,660 --> 00:52:42,560
-She doesn´t know
what these drugs are.
1062
00:52:42,563 --> 00:52:44,873
And for her to promote it
is irresponsible.
1063
00:52:44,865 --> 00:52:48,565
-Tom Cruise taking a position
of authority like that --
1064
00:52:48,569 --> 00:52:50,299
it´s a risk.
1065
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:54,300
And, boy, oh, boy,
Brooke responded to that.
1066
00:52:54,304 --> 00:52:55,614
-And then what does she do?
1067
00:52:55,606 --> 00:52:58,446
She writes a very serious
op-ed piece
1068
00:52:58,448 --> 00:52:59,678
in "The New York Times."
1069
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,280
This was a very sober, rational,
1070
00:53:03,283 --> 00:53:05,663
thoughtful,
and informative piece.
1071
00:53:05,656 --> 00:53:06,886
It was brilliant.
1072
00:53:06,887 --> 00:53:09,187
-In "The New York Times,"
1073
00:53:09,189 --> 00:53:14,599
responding to this accusation
of basically bad parenting
1074
00:53:14,595 --> 00:53:16,365
being a bad mom,
1075
00:53:16,366 --> 00:53:19,226
echoes of the past.
1076
00:53:19,229 --> 00:53:22,699
Brooke just stated her case.
1077
00:53:22,703 --> 00:53:24,813
That´s a girl with a big brain.
1078
00:53:24,805 --> 00:53:26,805
She not just has a big brain
´cause she´s six feet tall.
1079
00:53:26,807 --> 00:53:28,507
She´s got a big brain.
1080
00:53:28,509 --> 00:53:30,439
-"To suggest that I should have
taken vitamins
1081
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,210
and exercised shows an utter
lack of understanding
1082
00:53:33,213 --> 00:53:36,453
about postpartum depression,"
Shields shot back.
1083
00:53:36,446 --> 00:53:39,346
Today, doctors overwhelmingly
say Cruise,
1084
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:41,549
who insists he´s read
all the research,
1085
00:53:41,552 --> 00:53:42,852
is misinformed.
1086
00:53:42,853 --> 00:53:44,803
-Do you think that
if you had just done
1087
00:53:44,795 --> 00:53:47,355
exercise and vitamins,
you could have gotten better?
1088
00:53:47,357 --> 00:53:49,457
[ Laughter ]
1089
00:53:49,459 --> 00:53:51,759
-I --
-Why y´all laughing?
1090
00:53:51,762 --> 00:53:54,432
[ Laughter ]
1091
00:53:54,434 --> 00:53:56,344
-And it was so ridiculous to me.
1092
00:53:56,336 --> 00:53:59,236
It´s not about the moral thing
1093
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,869
or the right thing
or the good thing.
1094
00:54:01,872 --> 00:54:04,342
It´s about who has more power.
1095
00:54:04,344 --> 00:54:07,724
-Her remark that he should stick
to fighting aliens --
1096
00:54:07,718 --> 00:54:11,318
that was a fascinating display
of her new persona.
1097
00:54:11,321 --> 00:54:16,031
Not a sex symbol,
but a morally courageous person.
1098
00:54:16,026 --> 00:54:18,686
-Tom Cruise told actress
Brooke Shields this week
1099
00:54:18,689 --> 00:54:21,659
that he is sorry for publicly
criticizing her last year.
1100
00:54:21,662 --> 00:54:23,392
-After Brooke´s
appearance on the show,
1101
00:54:23,393 --> 00:54:24,873
we received letters
from women all over the world
1102
00:54:24,865 --> 00:54:27,735
who said Brooke´s courage
changed their lives.
1103
00:54:27,738 --> 00:54:29,868
-I understand with the road
to the worst could feel like,
1104
00:54:29,870 --> 00:54:33,370
and so now I´m --
I´m so much more educated
1105
00:54:33,373 --> 00:54:34,783
on myself and my body.
1106
00:54:34,775 --> 00:54:36,745
More people started
talking about it.
1107
00:54:36,747 --> 00:54:40,047
You know, we were able to change
some legislation.
1108
00:54:40,050 --> 00:54:41,780
-Just two days
before Mother´s Day,
1109
00:54:41,782 --> 00:54:43,912
the Senate including legislation
1110
00:54:43,914 --> 00:54:47,324
for new research
into postpartum depression.
1111
00:54:47,317 --> 00:54:50,917
Actress Brooke Shields on hand
to help introduce the measure.
1112
00:54:50,921 --> 00:54:52,591
-And the knowledge
of postpartum
1113
00:54:52,593 --> 00:54:56,403
is a tool that I believe
all women deserve.
1114
00:54:56,396 --> 00:54:57,966
-The MOTHERS Act
is also expected
1115
00:54:57,968 --> 00:55:00,398
to help doctors discover
new treatment
1116
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,300
for women suffering
from the illness.
1117
00:55:02,302 --> 00:55:06,842
-That kind of changed
everything for me.
1118
00:55:06,837 --> 00:55:08,007
Are you so cozy?
1119
00:55:08,008 --> 00:55:09,578
-Yeah.
-Ah!
1120
00:55:09,580 --> 00:55:10,680
-Can you count?
1121
00:55:10,681 --> 00:55:11,781
-Yeah.
-Okay, count.
1122
00:55:11,782 --> 00:55:13,312
-One.
-Mm-hmm.
1123
00:55:13,313 --> 00:55:14,853
-Two.
-Mm-hmm.
1124
00:55:14,845 --> 00:55:17,885
And then when my second child,
Grier, was born,
1125
00:55:17,888 --> 00:55:20,488
I was so much more prepared.
1126
00:55:20,490 --> 00:55:24,730
-Eight, nine, and ten!
1127
00:55:24,725 --> 00:55:26,795
-Ooh! [ Laughs ]
1128
00:55:26,797 --> 00:55:34,667
♫♫
1129
00:55:34,665 --> 00:55:36,605
When I was born,
my mother, I mean --
1130
00:55:36,607 --> 00:55:37,967
she was so afraid
I was gonna die,
1131
00:55:37,968 --> 00:55:40,038
she slept with me
strapped to her chest.
1132
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,370
She tried to keep me there
basically
1133
00:55:42,372 --> 00:55:44,552
for the rest of my life.
1134
00:55:44,545 --> 00:55:46,445
It got a little awkward
1135
00:55:46,446 --> 00:55:49,046
as I got bigger, you know?
1136
00:55:49,049 --> 00:55:52,449
But there was that feeling
that I was so afraid
1137
00:55:52,452 --> 00:55:54,892
that she would be gone
from me, too.
1138
00:55:56,456 --> 00:56:01,586
In the later years of her life,
she was just acting differently.
1139
00:56:01,592 --> 00:56:03,932
I took her to get evaluated.
1140
00:56:03,934 --> 00:56:05,444
The doctor took me aside
and said,
1141
00:56:05,435 --> 00:56:08,495
"She´s -- she really has
early signs of,
1142
00:56:08,498 --> 00:56:12,498
you know, dementia,
but it could be rapid."
1143
00:56:12,502 --> 00:56:17,552
So that´s when we, you know,
found a facility for her.
1144
00:56:17,548 --> 00:56:19,108
But I said, "I love you.
1145
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:21,549
I will come at any moment
here in the middle of the night.
1146
00:56:21,552 --> 00:56:23,912
They´ll call me."
1147
00:56:23,914 --> 00:56:26,164
I didn´t know what else to say.
1148
00:56:28,759 --> 00:56:30,159
There was never a goodbye.
1149
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,120
There was never a,
"I´ve always loved you.
1150
00:56:32,122 --> 00:56:36,172
Thank you,"
or, "You´ve been a great mom."
1151
00:56:36,166 --> 00:56:40,596
And when she died,
there´s no real kind of closure
1152
00:56:40,601 --> 00:56:44,101
or anything beautiful about it.
1153
00:56:44,104 --> 00:56:47,814
But I sort of had said
goodbye a long time ago.
1154
00:56:47,808 --> 00:56:53,578
♫♫
1155
00:56:53,584 --> 00:56:58,694
I used to believe that
if my mother died, I would die.
1156
00:56:58,689 --> 00:57:04,859
And it wasn´t going to be until
she didn´t exist on this Earth
1157
00:57:04,855 --> 00:57:07,525
that I would truly
then would be on my own.
1158
00:57:07,528 --> 00:57:13,158
And there´s a -- there is
some truth to that, you know,
1159
00:57:13,163 --> 00:57:18,843
some archetypal truth,
I think, for me, anyway.
1160
00:57:18,839 --> 00:57:20,569
-She´s grown up.
1161
00:57:20,571 --> 00:57:22,211
And it´s hard for me
to understand that
1162
00:57:22,212 --> 00:57:23,972
because we were so close.
1163
00:57:23,974 --> 00:57:26,924
And to have been able
to turn around and realize
1164
00:57:26,917 --> 00:57:28,677
that she´s her own person
1165
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:31,879
and do the things
she wants to do independently,
1166
00:57:31,882 --> 00:57:35,692
and I´m very proud of her
for that.
1167
00:57:35,686 --> 00:57:39,026
-You raise your kids
to let them fly.
1168
00:57:39,029 --> 00:57:42,829
My flying was the thing
that most terrified her.
1169
00:57:42,833 --> 00:57:45,743
And then she was gone.
1170
00:57:45,736 --> 00:57:54,136
♫♫
1171
00:58:01,552 --> 00:58:03,852
Hmm. This is me thinking.
1172
00:58:03,854 --> 00:58:06,824
Hmm.
This is a sign of thinking.
1173
00:58:06,817 --> 00:58:08,887
Hmm. Hmm.
1174
00:58:08,889 --> 00:58:10,159
[ Laughs ]
1175
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,960
Look, I´m dancing with life.
1176
00:58:11,962 --> 00:58:14,062
Wait a minute.
I´m also serious.
1177
00:58:14,064 --> 00:58:18,174
Look at me.
This is me as a businesswoman.
1178
00:58:18,168 --> 00:58:21,598
This is me playful!
[ Laughs ]
1179
00:58:21,602 --> 00:58:24,582
I´m looking towards the future.
What is in my future?
1180
00:58:24,575 --> 00:58:26,635
What is the next move
for Brooke Shields?
1181
00:58:26,637 --> 00:58:27,977
[ Laughs ]
1182
00:58:27,978 --> 00:58:33,908
♫♫
1183
00:58:33,914 --> 00:58:36,624
-Oh, you´re doing dishes, Grier?
-Apparently.
1184
00:58:36,617 --> 00:58:38,587
[ Laughter ]
1185
00:58:40,020 --> 00:58:43,220
-When Grier wanted to model,
1186
00:58:43,223 --> 00:58:44,933
I said, "No, no, no, no."
1187
00:58:44,925 --> 00:58:46,625
That´s all I said was, "No."
1188
00:58:46,627 --> 00:58:48,657
And then at a certain point,
I thought,
1189
00:58:48,659 --> 00:58:52,999
Oh, my God, it´s not gonna
matter what you say.
1190
00:58:53,003 --> 00:58:56,743
If she wants to do this,
she´s gonna do it.
1191
00:58:56,737 --> 00:58:58,967
So she´s gonna do it.
1192
00:58:58,969 --> 00:59:04,009
I better help her
get on the right start.
1193
00:59:04,014 --> 00:59:07,924
I know this industry is
predicated on eating its young.
1194
00:59:07,918 --> 00:59:11,918
Like, it wants
to devour them.
1195
00:59:11,922 --> 00:59:13,882
You know, I try to learn
from my experience
1196
00:59:13,884 --> 00:59:16,194
and protect my girls now.
1197
00:59:16,186 --> 00:59:18,656
And I don´t know exactly
how to do it.
1198
00:59:18,659 --> 00:59:20,929
-Everybody get your phone
at the table, please,
1199
00:59:20,931 --> 00:59:23,661
and check your social media.
1200
00:59:23,664 --> 00:59:26,674
Take some photos of the food
for your social media.
1201
00:59:26,667 --> 00:59:29,137
[ Laughter ]
1202
00:59:29,139 --> 00:59:31,739
-The steak is so good, Dad.
-Oh, good.
1203
00:59:31,742 --> 00:59:34,652
-Yeah, the whole thing
is so good.
1204
00:59:34,645 --> 00:59:37,045
-There was something I wanted to
watch the other week.
1205
00:59:37,047 --> 00:59:40,047
It was like the "Gossip Girl"
for adults.
1206
00:59:40,050 --> 00:59:41,910
-"Lipstick Jungle."
1207
00:59:41,912 --> 00:59:45,222
-I feel like it was like
old people and "Gossip Girl."
1208
00:59:45,215 --> 00:59:48,885
-Okay. Jesus Christ.
-I´m not wrong.
1209
00:59:48,889 --> 00:59:52,759
-Yeah. Ah. Mm. Slightly.
1210
00:59:52,763 --> 00:59:55,903
You never saw any
of my earlier movies.
1211
00:59:55,896 --> 00:59:58,726
You haven´t seen "Pretty Baby."
You haven´t seen "Blue Lagoon."
1212
00:59:58,729 --> 01:00:00,269
You haven´t even seen
"Endless Love."
1213
01:00:00,270 --> 01:00:04,100
-No. I will never, ever
watch "Blue Lagoon."
1214
01:00:04,104 --> 01:00:06,984
Sorry.
-Okay.
1215
01:00:06,977 --> 01:00:08,677
-Why not "Blue Lagoon"?
1216
01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:10,779
-´Cause she´s, like,
naked.
1217
01:00:10,781 --> 01:00:13,081
I see "Pretty Baby"
edits on TikTok,
1218
01:00:13,083 --> 01:00:15,223
and it makes me
not want to watch it.
1219
01:00:15,215 --> 01:00:17,985
´Cause it´s like
the movie itself is, like --
1220
01:00:17,988 --> 01:00:19,848
this is nothing against --
no, no, no, no, no.
1221
01:00:19,850 --> 01:00:21,250
-I´m not taking this
personally.
1222
01:00:21,251 --> 01:00:25,031
-I´m saying the movie itself is,
like, about...
1223
01:00:25,025 --> 01:00:27,955
something that´s not okay now,
right?
1224
01:00:27,958 --> 01:00:29,398
-I´m not disagreeing
with you.
1225
01:00:29,399 --> 01:00:33,129
It is a -- it was a true story
about something
1226
01:00:33,133 --> 01:00:35,913
that actually happened
in the early 1900s.
1227
01:00:35,906 --> 01:00:40,706
So that to depict that now
would not be permittable.
1228
01:00:40,711 --> 01:00:42,641
-That´s what --
okay, so yes.
1229
01:00:42,643 --> 01:00:44,213
-I´m agreeing with you,
but it´s important
1230
01:00:44,214 --> 01:00:45,424
to make the distinction.
1231
01:00:45,415 --> 01:00:47,045
-Yes, I understand
it was okay once,
1232
01:00:47,047 --> 01:00:49,347
but now it´s just, like,
a different --
1233
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:52,949
-See, I never saw "Pretty Baby."
Is there nudity in it?
1234
01:00:52,953 --> 01:00:54,283
-Yes.
-Are you nude?
1235
01:00:54,284 --> 01:00:56,994
-I´m nude twice.
-Mm.
1236
01:00:56,987 --> 01:00:59,157
-With my little
11-year-old body.
1237
01:00:59,159 --> 01:01:01,029
-That´s weird.
-That´s weird.
1238
01:01:01,031 --> 01:01:03,161
-Okay, what´s weird
about that?
1239
01:01:03,163 --> 01:01:05,173
-This is nothing against
the movie. I don´t want --
1240
01:01:05,165 --> 01:01:06,765
-There´s no judgment.
I do not --
1241
01:01:06,767 --> 01:01:08,837
I´m interested
in that concept.
1242
01:01:08,839 --> 01:01:10,299
What is weird
about that?
1243
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:11,870
-During that time
it came out,
1244
01:01:11,872 --> 01:01:14,172
and that was considered
something
1245
01:01:14,174 --> 01:01:17,414
that was, like, very well done,
very well-written.
1246
01:01:17,407 --> 01:01:18,877
Like, you were great in it.
1247
01:01:18,879 --> 01:01:21,949
-Only in Europe.
-Only in Europe? Oh.
1248
01:01:21,952 --> 01:01:24,252
-Why wouldn´t you be able
to see that movie today?
1249
01:01:24,254 --> 01:01:26,324
Why wouldn´t that movie
be able to be made today?
1250
01:01:26,316 --> 01:01:27,916
-Like, it´s just
everything´s changed.
1251
01:01:27,918 --> 01:01:30,388
-It´s called child pornography,
technically.
1252
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:32,790
-Also, just, like, everything
is different now.
1253
01:01:32,793 --> 01:01:34,363
-You do have shows like
"Euphoria" where, you know,
1254
01:01:34,364 --> 01:01:37,304
you have girls that are young
playing characters
1255
01:01:37,297 --> 01:01:40,367
that do go through
sexual things, but --
1256
01:01:40,370 --> 01:01:41,870
-Yeah,
but they´re not 11.
1257
01:01:41,872 --> 01:01:46,212
They´re all like 25
playing like 16.
1258
01:01:46,206 --> 01:01:48,006
-Oh, really?
-Yeah.
1259
01:01:48,008 --> 01:01:51,338
Like, all of those people,
they´re like over 21, like...
1260
01:01:51,341 --> 01:01:54,311
-Sydney Sweeney´s
actually 24.
1261
01:01:54,314 --> 01:01:56,424
And so there wasn´t really
a negative, like, backlash.
1262
01:01:56,416 --> 01:01:59,186
-She was old enough
to consent to it.
1263
01:01:59,189 --> 01:02:00,889
You were 11.
1264
01:02:00,891 --> 01:02:04,291
You weren´t mature enough
to be making your own decisions.
1265
01:02:04,294 --> 01:02:06,734
And other people
signed off, being like,
1266
01:02:06,727 --> 01:02:08,027
"Oh, no, she´s fine.
1267
01:02:08,028 --> 01:02:11,258
You can take her top off.
She´s fine."
1268
01:02:11,261 --> 01:02:13,331
-Okay, then let me ask you
about TikTok
1269
01:02:13,333 --> 01:02:15,313
and let me ask you
about Instagram.
1270
01:02:15,305 --> 01:02:17,135
When I see --
okay, by the way --
1271
01:02:17,137 --> 01:02:19,067
-How is that different
from...?
1272
01:02:19,069 --> 01:02:21,469
-You´re like 16.
-Okay. All right.
1273
01:02:21,471 --> 01:02:24,951
-And I can post myself
in a bikini...
1274
01:02:24,945 --> 01:02:28,845
-She´s posting it herself.
-I´m posting it myself.
1275
01:02:28,849 --> 01:02:30,819
-Okay,
so there´s ownership of...
1276
01:02:30,821 --> 01:02:31,981
-Yeah
-You look gorgeous.
1277
01:02:31,982 --> 01:02:33,452
-Yes.
-You do, too.
1278
01:02:33,453 --> 01:02:35,963
Like, and you should
feel that.
1279
01:02:35,956 --> 01:02:38,156
Is that empowering?
1280
01:02:38,158 --> 01:02:39,188
-Yes.
-Yeah.
1281
01:02:39,189 --> 01:02:40,459
-Okay.
1282
01:02:40,460 --> 01:02:42,860
You´re creating your own
self-confidence.
1283
01:02:42,863 --> 01:02:44,133
-Yes.
1284
01:02:44,134 --> 01:02:46,904
-Are you -- [ Laughs ]
-What?
1285
01:02:46,897 --> 01:02:48,897
-You´ve been invited
to this dinner, you know.
1286
01:02:48,899 --> 01:02:50,899
-I´m just listening
and learning.
1287
01:02:50,901 --> 01:02:52,271
-Learning from their --
1288
01:02:52,272 --> 01:02:57,552
They´re being so honest
and articulate.
1289
01:02:57,548 --> 01:02:59,478
-You know, it´s good to hear.
It´s interesting.
1290
01:02:59,479 --> 01:03:01,549
-Would you have let us
at the age of 11 --
1291
01:03:01,552 --> 01:03:04,152
-No.
-Yeah.
1292
01:03:04,154 --> 01:03:07,024
-So why?
Am I a hypocrite? Like...
1293
01:03:07,017 --> 01:03:09,157
-No.
-You weren´t a mom then.
1294
01:03:09,159 --> 01:03:10,889
-Yeah.
-You were the model.
1295
01:03:10,891 --> 01:03:13,161
You weren´t the -- you were
looking to your mom,
1296
01:03:13,163 --> 01:03:14,533
and she had all the answers,
1297
01:03:14,525 --> 01:03:16,425
and so you weren´t
gonna question that.
1298
01:03:16,426 --> 01:03:18,126
-Right.
1299
01:03:18,128 --> 01:03:20,128
-You also weren´t
the only one, you know?
1300
01:03:20,130 --> 01:03:24,430
Like, you weren´t the only
underage, like, female
1301
01:03:24,434 --> 01:03:28,514
being oversexualized
in this film industry
1302
01:03:28,509 --> 01:03:30,009
during this time.
1303
01:03:30,010 --> 01:03:32,110
I would love for you
to get on a show,
1304
01:03:32,112 --> 01:03:34,412
like, something
the young kids watch.
1305
01:03:34,414 --> 01:03:37,994
-Something the young
whippersnappers watch?
1306
01:03:37,988 --> 01:03:39,088
-Yeah.
1307
01:03:39,089 --> 01:03:41,119
-I loved "Friends."
1308
01:03:41,121 --> 01:03:44,191
"Leap of Faith."
-[ Speaks indistinctly ]
1309
01:03:44,194 --> 01:03:46,064
-Oh, "Chalet Girl."
That´s good.
1310
01:03:46,056 --> 01:03:49,056
-Oh! No!
"Hot Flashes."
1311
01:03:49,059 --> 01:03:51,599
-"And I took ´em to the curb
and I said,
1312
01:03:51,602 --> 01:03:54,302
´Put a boot up my butt,´
and walked away."
1313
01:03:54,304 --> 01:03:55,944
It´s always random lines
that are like...
1314
01:03:55,936 --> 01:04:00,336
"And I said to him,
´Oh, please, I´m drowning.
1315
01:04:00,340 --> 01:04:01,970
Can you please
get me from the water?´
1316
01:04:01,972 --> 01:04:04,442
´Find a way to lose,
ma´am.´"
1317
01:04:04,444 --> 01:04:08,054
-[ Laughs ]
1318
01:04:08,048 --> 01:04:11,418
You never told me
you watched any of these.
1319
01:04:11,421 --> 01:04:13,181
[ Laughs ]
1320
01:04:14,555 --> 01:04:17,585
My girls are so
in their own bodies and skin,
1321
01:04:17,588 --> 01:04:22,588
and they have their own opinions
and they voice them.
1322
01:04:24,064 --> 01:04:27,474
I wasn´t told it was important
to have agency.
1323
01:04:27,467 --> 01:04:30,337
´Cause my mom could have it
for me
1324
01:04:30,340 --> 01:04:35,250
or directors I was working with
or those, you know, industry.
1325
01:04:35,245 --> 01:04:39,645
Now it´s like I´m allowed
to be a human being.
1326
01:04:39,650 --> 01:04:43,480
Having daughters changed me
because they´ve taught me that.
1327
01:04:45,516 --> 01:04:49,456
-It´s shocking to me
how dangerous
1328
01:04:49,459 --> 01:04:53,259
the young child actors lane is
1329
01:04:53,263 --> 01:04:56,333
and how many traumatic
outcomes it has.
1330
01:04:56,326 --> 01:04:59,196
I love Brooke´s tone about it.
1331
01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:03,169
It´s like we´re moving forward
in life,
1332
01:05:03,173 --> 01:05:06,383
and now we get
to be on home plate,
1333
01:05:06,376 --> 01:05:11,136
in charge of our destinies
as adults.
1334
01:05:11,141 --> 01:05:13,541
But now we also get
to care for kids
1335
01:05:13,544 --> 01:05:16,494
and figure out
what that journey is.
1336
01:05:16,486 --> 01:05:18,616
-Literally cannot get
any better than that.
1337
01:05:18,619 --> 01:05:21,219
-Tell the group here about
what you´re working on.
1338
01:05:21,221 --> 01:05:23,551
-I just started my own company,
1339
01:05:23,554 --> 01:05:26,934
a very quickly growing platform
and website.
1340
01:05:26,927 --> 01:05:29,557
That´s my own brand
focused on well-being
1341
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:33,000
for a community
that I really care about.
1342
01:05:33,003 --> 01:05:35,443
The more I started talking
to women over 40,
1343
01:05:35,435 --> 01:05:37,535
the more I started realizing
1344
01:05:37,538 --> 01:05:39,638
how many incredible pivots
there were.
1345
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:46,420
Looking back, I believe I came
through it in spite of a lot,
1346
01:05:46,416 --> 01:05:50,316
you know, being reduced to this,
being reduced to that.
1347
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,550
Many women feel that.
1348
01:05:53,554 --> 01:05:58,364
When that´s the culture that
my mother struggled with, too.
1349
01:06:00,490 --> 01:06:04,700
-I think everybody has a little,
like, Brooke Shields narrative
1350
01:06:04,695 --> 01:06:07,165
stuck in them,
because what happened to her
1351
01:06:07,167 --> 01:06:10,367
and the way people talked about
her and the perception of her
1352
01:06:10,370 --> 01:06:13,070
isn´t really about her
as an individual.
1353
01:06:13,073 --> 01:06:15,553
It´s just about women.
1354
01:06:15,546 --> 01:06:19,306
-I don´t see that
a lot has changed.
1355
01:06:19,309 --> 01:06:21,109
Young people
are just working so hard
1356
01:06:21,111 --> 01:06:24,561
to live up to these
unattainable standards.
1357
01:06:24,555 --> 01:06:27,615
They have to epitomize
a certain type of femininity
1358
01:06:27,618 --> 01:06:29,758
in order to be desirable to men.
1359
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,760
Everything else is sort of
less valued, less important.
1360
01:06:33,764 --> 01:06:37,674
-Children are catapulted into
the world of adult sexuality
1361
01:06:37,668 --> 01:06:39,398
when they´re very, very young
1362
01:06:39,399 --> 01:06:42,129
by the kinds of images
on social media
1363
01:06:42,132 --> 01:06:46,782
and in films and all of that
long before they can process it.
1364
01:06:46,777 --> 01:06:51,277
How do you fight
a toxic cultural environment?
1365
01:06:51,281 --> 01:06:56,151
-Every generation of feminism
has multiple fights to have,
1366
01:06:56,146 --> 01:06:58,286
and this one continues.
1367
01:06:58,288 --> 01:07:00,748
[ Indistinct conversation ]
1368
01:07:04,695 --> 01:07:07,655
-It´s the first time
in about 56 years
1369
01:07:07,658 --> 01:07:12,328
that I´m actually just owning
my identity fully.
1370
01:07:15,305 --> 01:07:17,765
I had to go through
all of what I went through
1371
01:07:17,768 --> 01:07:21,608
to be able to really own
this period of time in my life.
1372
01:07:24,645 --> 01:07:27,675
I had to make it known
that Brooke Shields --
1373
01:07:27,678 --> 01:07:30,548
one word, the commodity --
1374
01:07:30,551 --> 01:07:35,091
that wasn´t who I was,
1375
01:07:35,085 --> 01:07:36,625
and to view that persona
1376
01:07:36,627 --> 01:07:39,187
as something
that´s just over there,
1377
01:07:39,189 --> 01:07:41,129
that´s not fully who you are.
1378
01:07:41,131 --> 01:07:43,561
It´s not gonna take
anything from you.
1379
01:07:43,564 --> 01:07:47,174
You inhabit it, but you leave it
and you come home.
1380
01:07:47,167 --> 01:07:55,077
♫♫
1381
01:07:55,075 --> 01:08:02,805
♫♫
1382
01:08:02,813 --> 01:08:10,723
♫♫
1383
01:08:13,323 --> 01:08:23,273
♫♫
1384
01:08:23,273 --> 01:08:33,243
♫♫
1385
01:08:33,243 --> 01:08:43,193
♫♫
1386
01:08:43,193 --> 01:08:53,163
♫♫
1387
01:08:53,163 --> 01:09:02,913
♫♫
1388
01:09:02,913 --> 01:09:12,853
♫♫
1389
01:09:12,853 --> 01:09:22,833
♫♫
1390
01:09:22,833 --> 01:09:32,773
♫♫
1391
01:09:32,773 --> 01:09:42,713
♫♫
1392
01:09:42,713 --> 01:09:52,693
♫♫
1393
01:09:52,693 --> 01:10:02,633
♫♫
1394
01:10:02,633 --> 01:10:12,613
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1395
01:10:12,613 --> 01:10:22,553
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