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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,416 when tragedy strikes us the first question usually asked is why me dr. 2 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:22,976 harold kushner in his book when bad things happen to good people explores some of the thinking concerning loss and 3 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:29,016 suffering for his own personal tragedy of his son's death dr. Kushner tries to bring some sense 4 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,736 and meaning to those bad things please join us as WT VI presents dr. Harold 5 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,480 Kushner in the discussion of when bad things happen to good people this 6 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,976 program was recorded at Evans auditorium when dr. Harold Kushner was the keynote 7 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,672 speaker for the 6th annual living Chile died conference in Charlotte North 8 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,008 Carolina sponsored by to life good evening Thank 9 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:06,976 You Howard bishop Begley and colleagues in the clergy all of you there see there are a lot of you out there tonight I 10 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:12,976 hope you can all hear me if there's anybody here tonight who can't hear me buy my book everything I have to say is 11 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,667 it bad I'm really very pleased to be here 12 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:23,976 tonight and just so delighted that all of you would come out it never fails to amaze me that I can come to a city where 13 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:29,976 I've never been before like Charlotte where I virtually don't know anybody and there'll be hundreds and hundreds of 14 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:35,976 people who know me who feel that they knew my son Aaron and who want to come out and and hear me talk about what the 15 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,544 experience has taught me when I find myself contemplating the remarkable 16 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,672 success of my book but a book of 150 pages by an unknown New England rabbi 17 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:55,360 becomes an international bestseller to my total amazement to the astonishment of my publisher and for that matter to 18 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,976 the astonishment of the two publishers who turned it down while he could have had it birthday well that's another 19 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:06,056 story and I asked why I think there two reasons and the first reason is implicit 20 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:14,976 in the Ginsburg story I think my book reached people because it raises a question which sooner or later we all 21 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,416 have to confront you live long enough you care about enough people and 22 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:26,056 inevitably you will find yourself asking why good people have to suffer you will 23 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:33,976 see the wrong people sick and the wrong people dying the wrong people divorced and the wrong people unemployed and the 24 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:40,976 wrong people earth by life you will look at that and you will say why I don't understand it if there is a God in this 25 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:48,424 world why do things like this happen and why do they happen to her why do they happen to him you will go home tonight 26 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:54,696 and put on the eleven o'clock news and inevitably one of the first stories will be a story 27 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,608 of tragedy a house fire in which children die a fatal automobile accident 28 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:06,976 you will pick up tomorrow morning's newspaper and somewhere in the first few pages today's Charlotte Observer I happen to 29 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:13,976 see the lead story college student killed as a st. Patrick's Day party explodes into a fight same thing will be 30 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:19,976 in tomorrow's paper it'll be a different tragedy it'll be an automobile accident it'll be a murder someplace and you will 31 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:25,976 look at each other and you say you know Robert Kushner was right every day there's another story like this how does 32 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,712 it keep on happening day after day in this world that's the 33 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:38,552 first reason for the impact of my book the question it deals with is a question we all find ourselves asking the second 34 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:45,144 reason is that when we ask the question we rapidly find out that the conventional answers are not 35 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,992 satisfactory if you've read my book or the publicity about it or Howard alluded 36 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:58,976 to this in his introduction you know the personal background out of which I wrote it the death at age 14 of our son Aaron 37 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,864 from that rare growth disorder progeria the rapid aging syndrome which turned 38 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:11,976 his body into the body of an old man when he was still a child you may remember about two-and-a-half years ago 39 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:17,976 the two boys who came to Disney World the boy from South Africa the boy from Texas they had that same illness 40 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,736 progeria that our son Aaron had died of four years before we found out when 41 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:30,976 Aaron was three what his life would be like how short it would be and how full of pain it would be and that was hard to 42 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,864 take but what made it even harder was that when I as a clergyman tried to say 43 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:43,040 to myself the same things that I was used to saying to other people in their sorrow when I gave myself the same 44 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,800 answers I've been giving them I found out with a shock that these words were 45 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,928 not comforting all those years I thought I was helping people when I would sit 46 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:00,976 with them and explain to them why this was happening in their family but when I was on the receiving end of those words 47 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,864 I wasn't helped at all people came when they found out how sick Aaron was and 48 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,800 they sat with my wife and myself friends neighbors family colleagues and the 49 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:19,976 clergy and they tried to make us feel better and make sense of it and we heard all the conventional explanations and 50 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,928 none of them made us feel better people said to us God is sending this to your 51 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,976 family because you're so strong in your faith that you can handle it and you'll 52 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,864 be an inspiration to others and all I could think of at the moment was I wish 53 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,976 I were a less religious and let God make an example of some other family and I would have a healthy 54 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,800 son about the time that Aaron was dying I read a wonderful book the bereaved 55 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,992 parent by Harriet ship and if any of you have god forbid lost a child or if you 56 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:01,976 know someone who's lost a child they've got to read Harriet ships book the bereaved parent well I met Harriet ship 57 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:07,976 shortly after that we were on a panel together she told me what happened the day her son died during emergency 58 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:14,976 surgery to correct the congenital heart defect her clergyman came over to her in the hospital and said Harriet I know 59 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:20,568 this is a hard time for you but you'll be all right because God never sends us more of a 60 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,672 burden than we can bear sounds very pious very comforting very appropriate 61 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:32,976 unless you've been in her situation you can't possibly imagine what went through Harriet ship's mind at that moment she 62 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,928 told me her first reaction to her rabbis words was it's my fault it's my fault 63 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:45,056 that Robbie died if I had been a weaker person God would never have done this to 64 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,864 me he would send us a scare and then he'd recover people said to us if you're 65 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,864 a man of faith you don't question God you bow your head before his will but I 66 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,928 was full of questions and I was full of rage and pain and I didn't want anyone 67 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,800 to take away my right to feel hurt and to feel angry people said to us there 68 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:15,976 are reasons for it which you can't understand now someday you'll understand them I was doing a radio program in 69 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:22,976 Chicago one night on WGN one of these call-in shows you know listeners call in with our questions woman called in and 70 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,992 said to me rabbi Kushner why can't you accept the idea that God wanted your son 71 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,416 to die so that you would become a more sensitive person and write this 72 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:41,912 wonderful book which is going to enrich the lives of thousands isn't it worth one life to enrich the lives of 73 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,800 thousands I said to her remember we're in Chicago now I said to her ma'am do 74 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:54,976 you remember john gacy wonder how many of you remember john gacy this this man who killed those little boys and 75 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,736 buried them in his basement in Illinois I said suppose John Casey's defense 76 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:06,976 attorney had gotten up in an Illinois Court or suppose Wayne Williams defense attorney had gotten up in Atlanta and 77 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:13,976 said instead of pleading insanity had said sure my client killed those children but he's not a murderer he's a 78 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:19,056 hero look at what he's achieved all over America tens of millions of parents are 79 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:27,976 grateful that their children are alive and well because my client never got his hands on them all over America parents 80 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,976 are going to be much more vigilant where their sons go when they leave the house because they've read about John Wayne 81 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,672 Gacy well we wouldn't take that line of reasoning seriously in court for a 82 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,032 moment it's ridiculous why should we take it more seriously when 83 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,736 word-for-word somebody says the same thing about God that God would torture 84 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,672 and kill an innocent child so other people would grow and benefit that God 85 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,800 does not hold every human soul to be uniquely precious if a human being were 86 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:09,056 to do that it would be a sin if a human being were to use a person as a means to 87 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,800 an end if you were to get involved with a member of the opposite sex without 88 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:20,120 taking him or her seriously just to stir own ego if you were to make friends with 89 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:27,976 somebody not because you liked them but because you wanted to use him you wanted to sell him something take advantage of 90 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:33,976 his friendship that would be blessed theming against the divine image in every human how could God do such a 91 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,736 thing how could God torture one person so that other people would grow as a 92 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:45,608 result I have never been impressed with the argument that God causes some 93 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:51,160 children to be born so the woman next door will feel grateful that 94 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,672 her kids are normal that God strikes one man blind so we can feel virtuous 95 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,864 dropping a quarter in his cup I'm not moved by that you know that sounds like 96 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:10,976 to me that sounds like the story that Sammy Levinson used to tell remember Samy Levinson used tell the story when he 97 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,864 started first grade his mother came and said to the first-grade teacher if my 98 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,416 boy Sammy ever misbehaves hit the kid next to him he learns by example 99 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,928 we heard all the conventional answers the explanations the justifications that 100 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:45,616 tried to make sense of our tragedy and none of them made us feel any better and one day I realized why you know why it's 101 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,992 really very simple they weren't supposed to comfort us they weren't supposed to 102 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,672 make us feel better they were intended to defend and justify God to say to 103 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,672 hurting people you have nothing to complain about you have no right to cry 104 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:12,424 out what's happening to you is right and good and it makes sense God knows just what he's doing and I'm sorry I would 105 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,736 like to think if we could ask God that God would say forget about me forget 106 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:23,568 about my reputation really I can take care of myself you bring healing and comfort to my 107 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,672 bleeding children on earth but nobody who sat with us was that wise I went 108 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:39,680 through a very serious crisis when we found out what our son's life would be like I found myself asking can I continue as 109 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,864 a religiously affirming person or is everything I have spent my life teaching 110 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,992 a lie I asked myself can I continue as a rabbi watching other people's children 111 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,928 grow up and knowing that my son would never grow up and what helped me through 112 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,480 my crisis was going back to the Bible and rereading the book of Job the 113 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,608 classical biblical discussion of the good man who suffers it was a book I 114 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:17,040 thought I knew I had studied it in rabbinic seminary I had written papers on job I had taught job but now I was 115 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:23,056 reading job not as a Bible student I was reading it as job as the man who raised 116 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,800 his hand to heaven and said why why me why my children and I found things in 117 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:36,976 the book I've never found before you remember the story don't you job is this totally righteous completely innocent 118 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,288 man whose world falls apart his wealth is destroyed his children are 119 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:48,976 killed he comes down with this terrible sickness three friends come and they try and comfort him and make him feel better 120 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:55,016 they say to job cheer up job nobody ever suffered unless there was a good reason for it and job 121 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,928 says strange thing I don't find that a cheering thought I thought it useful to 122 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,608 diagram the philosophical argument 38 chapters of brilliant philosophical 123 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:14,592 poetry in the book of Job in the following way there are three ideas which everyone in the book wants to 124 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,400 believe first God is in charge God is 125 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:28,976 all-powerful nothing happens in this world unless God wants it to happen that's number one - God is good he is 126 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,608 kind and fair and just he gives us what we deserve or better than what we 127 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:42,568 deserve he gives us the benefit of the doubt and a second chance and three job is a good 128 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:48,736 person got that straight one God is all-powerful - God is good three job is 129 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,672 a good man as long as job is healthy wealthy and respected you can believe 130 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:03,976 all three of those with no conflict no problem right when job starts to suffer when he gets sick when his children die 131 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,864 you can no longer affirm all three of those simultaneously you can affirm any 132 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:15,800 to figure it out all combinations work you can affirm any to only by denying 133 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,736 the third and the drama in joke the argument in the biblical book of Job is 134 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,352 over which of those three are you prepared to give up so that you can 135 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,800 affirm the other two job's friends the three who came to comfort him have no 136 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,864 problem it is so important for them to affirm what they were taught in Sunday 137 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,928 school God is good and God is powerful the only possible conclusion is to deny 138 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:52,336 proposition number three that job is a good man and so they say the job come off at stop complaining 139 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:57,480 God doesn't make mistakes people make mistakes we've read Sigmund Freud 140 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,928 we know how human beings repress things that are ashamed of you must have done 141 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,800 something really terrible in your past and you hid it from us and you hid it 142 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,928 from yourself but you couldn't fool God and he has come to chastise you and to 143 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:20,912 force you to confront your sin stop acting so self-righteous stop feeling sorry for yourself get down on your 144 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:29,424 knees and beg God to forgive you and then he will stop teaching you a lesson and they call that comfort you know what 145 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:37,912 they're doing they are playing the game that we today have learned to call blaming the victim making sense of 146 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,800 life's tragedies by saying to the person who is suffering you must have done 147 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,992 something to deserve this otherwise why would God make it happen to you hurting 148 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:58,296 the person a second time because now he not only has to suffer the original crime scene misfortune he has to suffer 149 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,992 our condemning and judging him as well a woman is attacked and assaulted on the 150 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,976 street and instead of saying to her what a horrible defiling experience that must 151 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,544 have been we say to her why were you walking alone at night why were you 152 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,928 dressed so provocatively you must have done something terrible to provoke this 153 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:26,976 kind of attack and that's why it happened to you and not to us because there is nothing that goes on in the 154 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:33,976 world that we don't deserve I tell the story in my book of the young woman whose husband walks out on her and she's 155 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,800 crushed and rejected and she goes home to her parents and all her mother can 156 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,800 think of to say to her is what did you do wrong did you nag him too much did 157 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:53,232 you spend too much of his money what did you do to force him to do this to you the survivors of the Nazi Holocaust 158 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,736 instead of saying to them you have endured the most horrible nightmare that 159 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,864 any human being has ever experienced instead of that we say you know maybe if 160 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:10,656 the Jews of Germany happened so conspicuous you would not have become Hitler's targets blaming the victim 161 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,672 because we can't let ourselves admit that good people suffer in this world 162 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,672 when we find a person suffering we say well I guess he's really not good I 163 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:28,848 quote this horrible proverb in my book I forgotten where I read it now that goes if you see a blind man kick 164 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,480 him why should you be kinder than God that is if you see a person who's 165 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:41,976 suffering and you believe in God you must believe that there's a good reason for his suffering whose side are you 166 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,672 going to be on job can't accept that answer he is not prepared to purchase 167 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:54,912 the world's innocence the world's integrity at the cost of his own maybe he's not perfect but really is he so 168 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:03,360 much more a sinner than the people across the street their children are alive is he so much more terrible than a man 169 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:11,104 next door he still got his business flourishing why is this happening to him job's answer is to deny proposition 170 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,800 number two that God is good I'm innocent says job and God is great God is so 171 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,416 great that he is not limited by considerations of justice and fairness 172 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,672 because that would be a limitation on God's power to say that God can't do 173 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:36,120 something to us because we don't deserve it is to limit God's power job would say 174 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:43,056 if we buy our righteousness could compel God to give us what we want if we could 175 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,928 come to church on Sunday or to synagogue on Friday night and say now look here 176 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:58,104 God I have been honest I have been faithful I have been religious I have been generous you owe me a week of good 177 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,864 health and seeing my money market funds go up and God had to do it because we 178 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,800 turned it is he still God or have we reduced God to a kind of cosmic vending 179 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:17,976 machine you put in your tokens you pull the lever and if you don't get what you ask for you're entitled to kick and 180 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:23,760 curse the machine and take your business elsewhere job would say God is so great he doesn't 181 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,864 have to be fair he can't be limited so in the book he is always saying things 182 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,736 like would that there were an umpire between us to make God play fair would 183 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,928 that somebody could force God to come down and justify himself explain himself 184 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,928 but nobody can make God do anything he can do whatever he wants he is so great 185 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,096 that he is not obliged to be kind or fair or anything good answer 186 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,928 I think it's a terrible answer I don't like that answer to say that God is not 187 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,800 committed to justice and mercy as you and I understand those words great who 188 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,416 wrote all those words in Scripture justice justice shall you pursue do 189 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:20,232 justly in love mercy and walk humbly with your God deal kindly with a widow the orphan the stranger if God doesn't 190 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,928 stand for those things more importantly if God is not committed to justice and 191 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,544 compassion who teaches us to be righteously indignant when we read about 192 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,800 injustice being done who teaches us to reach out in compassion to people who 193 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,672 are suffering if this has nothing to do with God my traditional friends my 194 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:50,976 Orthodox Jewish friends my fundamentalist Christian friends if I still have any they're always saying to 195 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:56,976 me Kushner if something happens if God does something which you can't understand maybe the problem is not with 196 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,672 God maybe it's with you maybe the problem is you can't understand it can't 197 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,864 God do things too wondrous for you to comprehend and I say well of course God 198 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:15,296 can that's not the issue that's not what I'm talking about yes God can do things I can't understand my plumber does 199 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,968 things I can't understand my 17 year old daughter does things I 200 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:27,976 can't understand sure God can do things I can't understand that's not what we're talking about the question I'm raising 201 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:33,976 is not that God does things to wonderous for me a child falls into a swimming pool and drowns what's to understand 202 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,864 we understand it all too well a young husband and father is killed by a drunk 203 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,800 driver what is it that is too wondrous for us to understand we understand it 204 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,992 perfectly clearly the issue is will God do things which he himself has said are 205 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,608 wrong I locate myself in the Honourable Jewish tradition which says it is 206 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,864 legitimate to call God to account in the name of his own standards of justice 207 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,864 from Abraham in the Bible who says to God at Sodom and Gomorrah how can a God 208 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:19,488 of justice do things which are unjust you can't destroy that city if there are innocent people living there - Jo - Rev 209 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:25,976 Livie it's Huck of Berdichev who says God if you don't treat your people Israel better than this we're gonna stop 210 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,736 worshipping you and go see what kind of world you live then my answer and I 211 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:38,976 think it may be the answer of the author of the book of Job I'm not totally sure but I find this answer there whether he 212 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:46,360 put it there or not my answer is the one alternative that nobody else has taken if job's friends solve the riddle by 213 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:52,888 denying proposition number three job is not a good person if job himself solves it by denying 214 00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:02,296 proposition number two God is great but he's not just and I don't like either of those answers my answer is to deny 215 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,992 proposition number one and to say maybe God isn't all-powerful maybe he is very 216 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,352 great but not totally in control I confess it is an answer I was very 217 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,800 reluctant to come to like all of you I was raised to believe that everything 218 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:26,976 that happens is God's will and if we don't understand that it's our limitation like all of you I would 219 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,976 rather believe that somebody is driving the bus but if I see innocent people suffering 220 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,800 and to understand it I have to choose between a powerful God who is not kind 221 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:45,120 and just or else a kind and just God who is not powerful you tell me which is the 222 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,416 more religious alternative which is a greater religious value to be so 223 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,864 powerful you can disobey the law and take things which don't belong to you is 224 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,608 that our image of the divine or to be so totally committed to justice and 225 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,568 kindness even if you can't always make it happen I was speaking one night at a synagogue 226 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,976 in New Jersey and a young woman asked me the first question she said rabbi Kushner you're describing a God who is 227 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:28,488 smaller than the God I was raised to believe in I don't know if I can worship a diminished God I said there okay let's 228 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:35,888 talk about it am I really diminishing God do we make God greater when every time a child dies 229 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,864 of leukemia we say God wanted that to happen do we enhance God's greatness if 230 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:50,056 we hold him responsible for every heart attack every malignant tumor every plane 231 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:58,976 crash every flood every fire every tornado every hurricane every automobile accident if we keep saying this is the 232 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,864 will of God that those people should suffer what kind of God would want those 233 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,736 things to happen I got a letter from a Lutheran minister in a small town in 234 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:14,056 Nebraska who told me the following story he had to do a funeral one day for a 26 235 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,736 year old man who was scheduled to be married in his church the same weekend 236 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:27,976 the man had gone out with a few friends for a bachelor party leaving the restaurant they were run into by a drunk 237 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,864 driver and killed the same day the same church almost the same hour for which 238 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,800 his wedding had been scheduled they did the funeral buried him in the church 239 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:45,568 courtyard came back to his office and the man's fiancee is waiting for him there says to 240 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,520 him pastor if one more person tells me it was God's will 241 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,800 I'm gonna scream why are they teaching me to hate God because I think that's 242 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:06,184 what we do when we attribute every undeserved tragedy every disaster to God's will 243 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:13,592 we teach people either to hate themselves for deserving it or to hate God for doing it to them when they 244 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,672 didn't deserve it but if God doesn't cause these things if he doesn't want 245 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:25,976 them to happen and can't prevent them where do they come from what could possibly make them happen if they're not 246 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,096 the will of God a couple of possibilities sometimes I believe bad 247 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,864 things happen to good people because laws of nature can't tell the difference 248 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,864 between a good person and a bad one a falling rock has no way of knowing whom 249 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,056 it's falling on and whether he deserves to be hit by the rock or not you cross a 250 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:54,976 busy highway at peak traffic time and you run the risk of being hit and injured by a car even if you're a good 251 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:01,976 person whose family loves you and even if you have the best reason in the world for having across that road in a hurry 252 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,736 you go into a house where there's a contagious disease and you run the risk 253 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,976 of contracting that disease irrespective of why you're there you can be a doctor 254 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,840 you can be a burglar germs don't know the difference thin ice 255 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:23,784 speeding bullets falling rocks out-of-control automobiles they don't know the difference either this by the 256 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:30,976 way is my argument with the insurance companies what they call acts of God I think is taking the Lord's name in vain 257 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,928 a flood is not an act of God a forest fire is not an act of God it's an act of 258 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,928 nature blind a moral nature churning its way through the world and not knowing 259 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,976 whose home is getting in its way but the community that pulls together to rebuild 260 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,544 itself after the flood after the fire that I believe is the act of God I 261 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:03,680 believe God created this world I have to believe that I mean look at the world it is so complex so intricate it works and 262 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,800 it is so beautiful you can sit and look at the mountains for an hour and you 263 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,608 feel tranquil and a television program that cost three million dollars to 264 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:21,976 produce you get bored with after five minutes no this has to be God's world but I believe that when God created the 265 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,120 world he withheld from the natural world one of his divine blessings that he only 266 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:34,976 shared with you and me and that is the ability to know the difference between good and bad human beings have that 267 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,480 capacity falling rocks speeding bullets disease germs don't have it and 268 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,800 sometimes good people suffer in this world because laws of nature don't make 269 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,736 any exception for the fact that they're good sometimes I believe bad things 270 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:59,232 happen to people who deserve better because it's very important for me to affirm God created us free to choose how 271 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,800 we want to live and if we choose to be good honest helpful people we get the 272 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,992 credit if we choose to be bad dishonest destructive deceitful people we not God 273 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:19,104 get the blame a man goes into a late-night convenience store to hold up the store shoots the clerk don't ask why 274 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:28,296 would God do this to an innocent child put the blame where it belongs not on God on the robber in my book I quote a 275 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,864 German Christian theologian a Lutheran woman named Dorothy Zola writing about 276 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,928 the Holocaust asking the question that every one of us has asked where was God 277 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,928 at Auschwitz her answer you want to know what she says her answer is where was 278 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,976 God God was at the side of the victims grieving and hurting and dying with them 279 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,480 not on the side of the murderers Dorothy solace says to suggest by word 280 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,864 or implication that what the Nazis did to innocent men women and children was 281 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,864 in any way God's will that he wanted it to happen as part of some master plan 282 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,400 is to offer us a God so cruel that no 283 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,928 decent person should ever worship Him and I agree with Gareth Isola for me the 284 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:28,784 Holocaust is not a theological question where was God for me it's a psychological question how could people 285 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,672 have done such things to each other how could human beings have so grossly 286 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,992 misused the freedom to choose which God gave us but I don't want you to go away 287 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,976 tonight thinking that I believe in a God who is an innocent bystander a God who 288 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:55,976 created the world and gave it a push and then retired and from time to time looks down from heaven shakes his head and 289 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:01,976 said what a pity I hoped it would turn out better no I believe in a god I believe in a God who actively intervenes 290 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:09,424 in the lives of people who are suffering he does not send the pain the problem the tragedy he sends us the ability to 291 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,800 transcend and survive it what does God do for us first of all I suspect he's 292 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,672 given us a world where natural laws apply regularly and constantly I don't 293 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,544 understand why one person gets cancer and another person doesn't I don't 294 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,608 understand why one person comes down with Alzheimer's disease and another 295 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:41,744 doesn't but I suspect that somewhere and the laws of biology there are answers to that and when we care enough to spend as 296 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:48,976 much money on medical research as we spend on cigarettes and cosmetics to make us sick we will start finding the 297 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,864 answers when we start paying medical researchers what we pay quarterbacks and 298 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,736 left fielders in the United States we will find the answers some of you who 299 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,280 are here tonight 300 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,928 some of you in the audience who are my age will understand and remember why my 301 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,928 mother wouldn't let me go swimming in Brooklyn in June when I was 16 years old 302 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,736 do you remember we were afraid of polio every summer there would be a polio 303 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,976 epidemic and you had to watch over your children to make sure they didn't get chilled god forbid they could be 304 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,120 crippled or worse what happened we cared enough to give our dimes and our dollars 305 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,976 and somebody found out what causes polio and how you prevent it and our mothers don't have to worry about their children 306 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,976 being crippled by polio in the summer as they don't have to worry about being disfigured by smallpox or laid low with 307 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,976 yellow fever or a long list of ailments which used to wipe out whole communities 308 00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:02,168 which used to cause people to raise their hands to heaven and say God why are you doing this to us but instead of 309 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,672 asking God why we applied our god-given intelligence to the problem and we 310 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,352 reduced the amount of undeserved suffering that goes on in this world 311 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:21,296 what does God do for people who have been hurt by life and who deserve better I think sometimes the best line in my 312 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,736 book is a line I didn't write I quote a 19th century Hasidic rabbi who said 313 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,864 human beings are God's language do you understand what he meant by that human 314 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,544 beings are God's language you are hurting you cry out to God how did you 315 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:46,976 expect God to answer did you think he would send you a letter from heaven written in Latin English or Hebrew 316 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,864 depending on your religious preference God answers our cry by coming to us in 317 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,120 the incarnation of caring people doctors and nurses who work through the night to 318 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,992 help us really did you ever think about that that a person with a expensive car 319 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:13,976 and a six-figure income will get up at 2:00 in the morning and come sit with us because we are in pain God comes to us 320 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:20,080 in the incarnation of friends and neighbors who overcome their natural squeamishness to sit with 321 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:27,976 us to know that we're not alone I love the story of the little boy whose mother sends him on an errand and it takes him 322 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,976 a long time to come home when he finally gets back his mother says hey where were you I was worried about you and the boy 323 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,976 says oh there's this kid down the street whose tricycle broke and he was crying because he couldn't fix it so I stopped 324 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:45,976 to help him mother says wait a minute don't tell me you know how to fix a tricycle the boy says no of course not i 325 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,352 sat down and I helped him cry and you know he's right he's right that 326 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:59,976 is what helps would you think back for a moment to the last time you were really down the last time you were feeling 327 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,864 lousy rejection frustration bereavement sickness whatever it was that had you 328 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:11,056 feeling bad what got you out of that bad feeling your theology or your friends I 329 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,056 would bet it was your friends people who sat with you and helped you cry so that 330 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,467 you wouldn't have to cry alone for the 331 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:32,168 next five minutes I want to stop being philosophical and become very practical and if you forget or if you reject 332 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,864 everything else I say tonight and only remember the next five minutes it will 333 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,672 have been worth my coming to Charlotte should you know anybody who's going 334 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:49,056 through a hard time and you're not sure whether you ought to intrude because you 335 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,976 don't know what to say that will help her because maybe she wants her privacy at a time like this because you only 336 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:02,976 make her feel worse you're happily married and she's divorced or widowed your kids are on the honor roll and your 337 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:08,976 friends children are in trouble with the police you've got a good job and your friend has been laid off if you're not 338 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,928 sure if you ought to do something please listen to this you must reach out and 339 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:20,976 show that person that you care that you're thinking about her stop in and talk call send a card ask what you can 340 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,864 do please don't wait for your friend to pawn his dignity and ask you for help 341 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,864 you reach out first it's so important you know why when something bad happens 342 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,800 to us there's a crazy little corner of our brain that says to us aha you did 343 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:44,976 something wrong and now you're being punished for it and now that your punishment is public and everybody sees 344 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:52,424 what you're going through they will know what a sinner you are and they will reject you too when we stay away because 345 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:58,976 we don't know what to say we understand it's our own limitation that's keeping us from our friends side 346 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,976 but our friend doesn't know that he thinks we're rejecting him the woman who has been widowed or 347 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,672 divorced her friends are uncomfortable around her because she represents a 348 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,800 threat a potentiality so scary they can't handle it they know it's their own 349 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:22,360 weakness that keeps them away but she doesn't know that she feels she's been rejected by her husband rejected by God 350 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:30,232 and now she's been rejected by her friends too that's why it's so important we reach out and show that we care you 351 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,976 don't know what to say I'll give you a quick course in what to say to a friend who's going through a 352 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,976 hard time if you want to take notes so you'll remember this you can write it down listening 353 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:46,248 say I'm sorry and then keep your mouth shut and hold somebody's hand and listen you 354 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,544 will help more by listening than by trying to explain the most important 355 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,736 thing I have learned is that when a person says why me why my family that's 356 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:10,360 not a question it's not a question it sounds like a question it is a cry of aim and you help the person who says why 357 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,056 is this happening to me not by answering his question but by easing his pain you 358 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,976 know that you just didn't realize you know it your best friend says to you what did I ever do to deserve this does 359 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,968 he want you to give him a list of things he did to deserve this 360 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,864 people going through a hard time don't want explanation they want consolation 361 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,608 they don't want theology they want reassurance they don't want to be told 362 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,976 that there's a good reason why this is happening to them they want to be told that you care about them that there's no 363 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,976 good reason that they don't deserve it that you can't understand it you know what you do with suffering with tragedy 364 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,992 you don't explain it you don't justify it you survive it that is the only thing 365 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,416 you do with it tell you how I became so smart when I was a young naive 366 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,992 inexperienced rabbi I would go to a home where there had been a tragedy I would 367 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:20,360 walk in and people would say to me rabbi why would God let this happen to such a good person and I thought they were 368 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:27,976 asking me a question about God and it's fine because I know about that I've taken courses in it so I would give them 369 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,992 a 15-minute summary of my senior course in theology from rabbinic seminary when 370 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:39,120 I finished and their eyes had glazed over I would say to them no I know this is a 371 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:47,976 little bit technical maybe you didn't understand it the first time would you like them to repeat it and they would 372 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,864 say rabbi please we've suffered enough I've learned I don't do that anymore I 373 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,608 have overcome my natural inclination to give long complicated theological 374 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:07,360 answers I've learned to keep my mouth shut and hug people and hold their hands and sit with them and not try to make 375 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,976 sense of it and not try to explain it but simply be there and say I'm sorry for you you don't deserve going through 376 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:19,976 this you're too nice a person human beings are God's language let me tell you one story it may be my most 377 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,288 favourite story of all it's true our son Aaron played the violin and 378 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,224 because he was so small because the progeria kept him the size of a 379 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:37,296 three-year-old even when he was a teenager he had to play this tiny little almost toy sized fiddle got a very tinny 380 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,976 scratchy sound out of it one day the bridge on his violin broke do you know what that is it's that black piece of 381 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:49,976 wood that holds the strings up and all of Boston we could not find a replacement bridge for it so we had to 382 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:55,976 wait to the next time we were in New York went into the biggest best known musical supply store in all of New York 383 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:02,976 City to see if they had a replacement bridge they did while they're putting it on the daughter of the owner of the 384 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:09,272 company comes out sees this strange-looking child with his tiny little violin introduces herself we 385 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:16,976 introduced her to Aaron he plays a little bit for her she is so moved by this physically handicapped child trying 386 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,928 to lead a normal life but a week later we get a letter from her asking if we'd 387 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,672 be willing to accept as a gift the violin which had been hand made for her 388 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,928 as a four-year-old prodigy in Germany so Aaron could get a better tone when he 389 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,416 practiced human beings are God's language people who would sit with us 390 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,904 and help us cry so we would know we were not left to cry alone 391 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,976 and one more thing that God does for us when we're hurting it maybe the most important of all I have to introduce 392 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,864 this with a story which she may have trouble believing it was June 1981 and I 393 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,976 announced to my family that my goal for the summer of 1981 was to get into shape 394 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:08,976 to run the Falmouth Road race this is a mini marathon a seven mile race that takes place in Cape Cod every August 395 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:14,976 it's a big deal everybody in Falmouth is involved in it everybody else has to choose between participating in the race 396 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,864 or watching it I'm lucky the way I run I get to do both to encourage me in my 397 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,976 efforts to get into shape to run seven miles my daughter bought me a t-shirt which I still have and I still wear when 398 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,608 I work out and on the back of this t-shirt she had imprinted Isaiah 40:31 399 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:43,056 that's what it says on my t-shirt Isaiah 40:31 if you check your Bibles you will 400 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:51,976 see that the verse in question reads those who trust the Lord will have their strength renewed they shall run and not 401 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,944 grow weary didn't work that is to say it didn't 402 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:07,976 helping the summer I ran Falmouth it's helped me a lot ever since I guess that verse that verse has become the 403 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:14,976 cornerstone of my biblical faith that when we run out of strength when we have used up all our strength and all our 404 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,976 hope and all our patients we turn to God in trust and he gives us more so we can 405 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,928 continue people are constantly asking me if I believe in miracles I say yes of 406 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:31,976 course I absolutely do believe in miracles but I believe in big miracles not small ones small miracles you know 407 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:38,976 splitting the Red Sea making the Sun stand still no I'm sorry those those are not miracles those are special effects 408 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,928 you don't have to be God to split the Red Sea sessile be the mill does it just 409 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,992 as well Steven Spielberg does it better you know it's a real miracle when timid 410 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,928 people become brave and when weak people become strong and when selfish people 411 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:05,976 become generous that's a miracle says we'll be the mill can't make that happen you have to be God to make that happen 412 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,480 when people suddenly come up with qualities of soul that they know they 413 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:16,120 did not have last week or the day before yesterday and today they have them where 414 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,544 do they get those qualities from you know why I can believe in God after 415 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,976 everything that's happened in my family and in the families of other people I care about I believe in God 416 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:33,976 not because of the cosmological proof of the ontological proof or the the argument from design or the first cause 417 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:39,976 you know all those things we learned about in philosophy one they're really very important for passing philosophy 418 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,544 wanted for nothing else in life I believe in God because I am constantly 419 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,992 seeing ordinary people do extraordinary things and if you think about it you're 420 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,608 constantly saying it - if a plane crashes in Washington and hits the 14th 421 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:05,784 Street bridge that's not God's will that's just physics but that Lenny Skutnik should be walking by at that 422 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,976 moment and for the first time in his life this very ordinary bureaucrat does something 423 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,976 heroic and without knowing what he's doing he finds himself in the Potomac saving the stewardess that's an act of 424 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:24,616 God that's God intervening to give us a quality of strength we never had before I think of the family in my congregation 425 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,864 who eleven years ago gave birth to a brain-damaged child and every day for 11 426 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,976 years they get the child up they dress him because he's never learned to dress himself and they feed him breakfast 427 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:44,976 because he can't feed himself and they sing to him and they play with him and they look for a school where he can be 428 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:51,848 with other children I look at these people and I say what's going on here I thought I knew these people very 429 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,120 ordinary average people not particularly religious not particularly spiritual not 430 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,160 terribly well-educated it is inconceivable to me that 11 years ago 431 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,608 they had an endless supply of patience and love and strength I don't know 432 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,736 anybody who has that it must be that when you have been as brave as you can 433 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:22,168 be for as long as you can and you've used up all your courage and all your love and all your strength you turn to 434 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,864 God and he gives you more so you can continue I think of people who never got 435 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:34,976 along that well with their parents and their parents become old and sick and have cancer and the children have to 436 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:40,976 drive them to radiation therapy and take them home and help them up the stairs and help them go to the bathroom and 437 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:47,976 cook for them and all of a sudden these people develop a capacity not just to feel obliged but authentically to love 438 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,976 their parents and to sacrifice for them without feeling like martyrs where does 439 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:58,056 somebody suddenly come up with qualities of soul they did not have before unless 440 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,864 that verse on my t-shirt is really true when you trust in God you can turn to 441 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:10,976 him when you've run out of strength then he renews your strength so you can run and not grow weary so you can walk and 442 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:16,976 not feel faint but you know I could tell you stories like that all night long and I would not have answered the question 443 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:23,976 that most of you brought here tonight why do good people have to suffer in God's world I'll tell you something I 444 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,976 don't have an answer for it I don't know why they have to suffer and if I did I wouldn't tell you because telling you I 445 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,976 would be like jobs comforters I would be like all the people who sat with my wife and me when they found out Aaron was 446 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:40,976 sick and tried to persuade us that it really made sense there was a good answer for it it doesn't make sense and 447 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:46,976 there is no good answer for it it's rotten and painful and unfair and you shouldn't accept it if my answer we 448 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,800 mean explanation I don't have an answer but you know the word answer doesn't 449 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:57,056 only mean explanation an answer can also be a response not why did it happen but 450 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:05,552 what are we going to do now that it has happened I could have called my book why bad things happen to good people but I 451 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:11,976 called it when because I don't want to talk about why I want to talk about what you do when you find yourself in sorrow 452 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:17,120 people come to me and they say rabbi why why me why my mother and I say to them I 453 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:25,976 understand how you feel I've been there and I've asked that question too but please understand why is the wrong 454 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:31,120 question because why focuses on the past and the longer you focus on the past the 455 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:38,912 more helpless you feel no matter how smart you are no matter how pious you are you can't change the past it's 456 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:47,104 already happened so turn around and don't look only at the past look at the future and instead of asking why ask 457 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,864 what am I going to do now how do I find the strength and the grace to go on I 458 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,800 got through my crisis by reading the biblical book of Job and one other book 459 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,928 Archibald MacLeish is play JB is modern telling of the job story for the first 460 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:11,976 two-thirds of the play Archibald MacLeish tells the Bible story in modern dress his hero his job figure is a 461 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,800 modern affluence somewhat complacent businessmen whose world falls apart one 462 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,976 day his children are killed his business is destroyed he gets sick three friends come to try and console him and McLeish 463 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:31,488 is so wonderful with what he does with the three friends one is a Marxist one is a psychiatrist and one is a clergyman 464 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:38,976 they all try to make sense of job suffering and none of them makes Jo feel any better till now McLeish is just 465 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:44,976 repeating the Bible story when he comes to the end he changes the ending do you remember how the story ends in the Bible 466 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,672 remember at chapter 42 of Job God appears and God says to job it's time to 467 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,976 let you in on the secret this was all an experiment I wanted to see if you would 468 00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:03,424 get upset if I killed your children I wanted to see if you would question your faith if you suffered job I'm proud of 469 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:10,976 you you passed the test here's your reward twice as much health twice as much wealth twice as many children you 470 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,976 see you're better off than you were before MacLeish like me and I suspect like many 471 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,672 of you doesn't like that ending what does it say about God about a God who 472 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,608 would kill innocent children as part of a sadistic experiment on his most 473 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:32,976 faithful follower and then thinks you make it up to him by giving him more children so he changes the ending and 474 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,416 instead of God rewarding job job forgives God job forgives God for not 475 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,864 making a perfect world for putting us down in an unfair world where no matter 476 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,928 how good how innocent how pious you are illness and accident and human cruelty 477 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,736 happened to you as much as they happen to anybody else job goes back to his 478 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:06,976 wife and they're going to go on living together it is their love for each other not God's generosity which will make new 479 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,672 children happen life has hurt them so badly life has taken away everything 480 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,928 they held precious and their response is to say yes and we want more of it now 481 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,800 that we have seen how painful and unfair life can be we want to go on living 482 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:33,976 job's wife says to him on the next to last page of the play you looked for justice didn't you well there is no 483 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,928 justice there is only loved and then she has these wonderful closing lines the 484 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,968 candles and churches are out the stars have gone out in the sky 485 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:50,824 blow on the coal of the heart and we'll see by-and-by great do you understand what she means 486 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:57,976 by that she's saying to job don't look for answers why we had to suffer like this why our children had to die don't 487 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:03,056 look for answers why not in theology and not in science the candles and churches 488 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:09,976 are out the stars have gone out in the sky the only place to look for an answer and it won't be an explanation and 489 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:16,976 answer why it'll be a response and answer what are we going to do about it now the only place to look is in your 490 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,864 own heart blow on the coal of the heart it would be nice if we could count on 491 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,608 the world to keep us warm and safe I wish it were that kind of a world my 492 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,976 life my job would be a lot easier and so would yours but it's not that kind of a 493 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:42,976 world and the sooner we realize that the better we'll be able to cope with it blow on the call of the heart don't ask 494 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,928 the world to keep you warm you shed your warmth on the world have you suffered 495 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,864 have you known tragedy in your life take the white heat of your pain and your 496 00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:00,120 anger and turn them into something which will send light and warmth into somebody 497 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,992 else's life the widow whose husband has died of cancer I would understand it if 498 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,864 she stayed home and mope all day never put on makeup never put on a dress but 499 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:20,976 she doesn't she goes out and becomes neighborhood collection chairman for cancer research the family whose story I 500 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:26,976 tell in my book whose son is run over by the school bus coming home from school one day I would have no argument with 501 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:33,976 them if for the rest of their lives they were bitter and jealous of other people because every time they buy a pack of 502 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:41,488 gum and give it out and they have one stick of gum left over they're reminded of a child who was killed but they don't 503 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,976 do that they go out and they work for a higher school bus safety standards so no 504 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:53,976 other family will have to suffer what they've suffered this is blowing on the call of the heart even if the only 505 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:59,056 difference your own sorrow has made to you is that now you know what the soul of 506 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,864 the grieving person feels like so you will reach out and not hold back so you 507 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:13,168 will say the right things enough or wrong things this is blowing on the call of the heart you know for 3000 years 508 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,736 we've been asking the question why do good people suffer in God's world and 509 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,608 nobody's been able to answer it not rabbi Akiba and not st. Augustine and 510 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:30,976 not Maimonides and certainly not harold kushner we haven't been able to answer it 511 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,800 because it's the wrong question why is not the question the question is what 512 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:43,360 are you going to do about it how will you respond the question perhaps becomes this are you capable of forgiving the 513 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:49,056 world for being an unfair unpredictable place and loving it and wanting to go on 514 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:55,544 living in it anyway no matter what happens to you because god help us it 515 00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:00,800 may be the only world we have are you capable of forgiving people who didn't 516 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:08,976 know what you needed or couldn't give it to you because you know that's what love is love is not admiring somebody for 517 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,672 being perfect love is accepting somebody with all of his imperfections and 518 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:19,376 praying that he accepts you with all of yours and finally the hardest question that I 519 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:27,056 have to ask you tonight and the hardest question for you to hear can you forgive 520 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,800 God can you forgive God for choosing not to create a perfect world where the 521 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:43,232 right thing would always happen and we would be safe can you get over your disappointment in him because God loves 522 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,800 goodness more than he loves perfection and instead of creating a predictable 523 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:55,976 world where the right thing had to happen he created an unpredictable world where the right thing will only happen 524 00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,992 if you and I make it happen so that as the Talmud says when a man chooses to do 525 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,800 something right God looks down from heaven and says for this moment alone it 526 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,800 was creating the world but in the meantime all sorts of terrible things have 527 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,864 happened to good people along the way if you can do that if you're capable of 528 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:27,296 that kind of forgiveness and that kind of love will you recognize your own capacity to forgive and to love will you 529 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,864 recognize your own ability to survive to transcend and to reach out to others 530 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,928 will you recognize them as the divine gifts that God has given you so that you 531 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:44,056 can go on living meaningfully no matter what the world deals you can you do that 532 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,096 blow on the coal of the heart and we'll see bye and bye thank you 533 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,000 you 69659

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