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How did you
guys meet?
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Kids they were angry and
they are ready to fight you.
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It doesn't
matter what.
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And if they see that
you are different.
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When they see your voice
let's say higher than normal,
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so you are an
object of the bullying.
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On the breaks they used to
beat me, they used to say
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bad words and
laugh so it wasn't
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a very pleasant
experience.
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One day, I
could only cry.
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I realized that I was gay
by the age of 13 I guess.
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It was terrible.
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I was sure I was only
one gay in the world.
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I was sure there
were no gays before me.
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I was sure I was sick.
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I was sure it
wasn't normal
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and I didn't know what
to do with that.
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I used to try to date girls
but it didn't work so...
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-- and then I started looking
for the literature,
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but it was also in books
where homosexuality was still
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illegal and I was reading
it and I was thinking that
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okay, now I'm
illegal as well.
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Feeling shame when you are
gay, it's pretty normal.
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It's so normal we
don't even think about it.
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And I didn't
think about it.
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The opinion on gays is so
strong in Russia
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that even you
believe in it,
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even you believe that
you are not normal.
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Even you believe
that you are sick.
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I came to
Russia in 1996.
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I became acquainted with
lesbian and gays
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and they became friends and,
you know, they told about
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their life and it was
clearly that, you know,
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because of homophobia
there is a lot of stigma
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that they have being
lesbian and gay.
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They don't live openly.
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They hide their sexuality
from colleagues, from
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families, from friends,
you know, think up huge lies
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about their
life, get married.
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For a long time I had the
idea about, you know, a film
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festival, and in 2007 I began
working on it with a friend.
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It's the first goal of the
film festival is to inform
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people about LGBT
issues and rights.
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From 2009 up to now,
we've been able to hold the
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festival relatively
freely in some theaters...
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But in other cities, for
example, like Komarova,
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one nationalist group didn't
want to have us there,
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so they sent a lot of threats
to film festival's visitors,
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to the organization team.
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-What kind
of threats?
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So like we will, we will
put you down,
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we will get your
venue in fire.
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But the administration was on
the side of this nationalists.
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They didn't want, they
didn't want to protect film
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festival's visitors and us
from these threats,
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from this
nationalist group.
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And they basically
said, well, you know,
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this festival isn't
wanted in Komarova.
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We're not going
to protect you.
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And the following week
we had a festival in
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Novosibirsk and, again,
we came up against
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a lot of difficulties.
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On the second day of the
festival, a large picket
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had been organized by
a religious group.
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There were around 20, 20
or 30 religious activists
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picketing the venue.
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And in addition to
that, there were around
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another 20 or so
nationalist youths.
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They were circling around.
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They were shouting
insults at us.
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And it was clear from their
behavior that they were
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intent on doing
something further.
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We had to organize taxis
to take away the audience
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because it was clear that
they were -- wanted to beat
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people up and, you know, we
addressed the police who,
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again, weren't interested
in, you know, overseeing,
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you know, the
safety for the visitors.
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And then they
were waiting.
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Beringuela were there
with another activist,
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local activist. And they were
specifically waiting for us.
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They were on mopeds, in
cars, and it was so clear
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that they, you know,
were going to follow us.
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And it was just by luck that
our taxi driver,
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he was a young guy, and it was
just by chance that he was able
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to take us away at high
speed from the venue.
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[camera clicking]
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Elena Kostyuchenko
works for Novaya Gazeta,
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one of Russia's only newspapers
critical of the Kremlin.
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I'm lesbian.
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I live openly.
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I have friends, I have job.
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All the time I'm
going to [inaudible].
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Now it's part of Russia,
and then people ask
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me about who I am,
where's my family.
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I tell them
about my girlfriend.
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Do you think it's
maybe easier
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for girls as I
hear from people?
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Yeah, it is easy for girls
because people are just --
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they are not informed
because there are not a lot
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of open gays and
lesbians in Russia.
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And, actually, anybody in
Russia has to know one gay
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and one lesbian at least.
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For example, just the day
before yesterday, one guy
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from very, very small town,
I think even village,
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in Siberia wrote me that he
hates me, my life,
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and he would kill me if
he would be Moscow
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and he send me some videos
with some Nazi...
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And he just tried to chat
and through -- in two hours
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he wrote me, do you
understand that once on your
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action you can be killed?
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I said to him, I know that
-- about with opportunity,
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yes, it's may be once.
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And he said, you nice person
so it would be nice that you
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can immigrate to Norway
or somewhere
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that you being
safe there.
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And I wrote him that two
hours ago you wanted to kill
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me by yourself so why
you care about me now?
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And he wrote, I see you
a nice girl and I had
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opportunity to speak with
you, but people who going to
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go to you action to
beat you is they didn't.
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So I just want
you to be safe.
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Please tell me that
you're going to leave.
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You cannot talk to each
person for two hours a day
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and change peoples' minds.
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Yes.
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No, I can, actually.
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And I do it.
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So, but it's will be -- it's
a bit easier that as the
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gays, lesbians, more as the gays
and lesbians going to be open.
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How did you go about
finding characters?
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You're a straight man.
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Mm-hmm.
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Why did you decide to speak for
the rights of homosexuals?
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I was around 23 years
old when I came out
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to my mother.
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I was absolutely sure before
15 minutes she couldn't
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speak and she kept saying
like how come, how come?
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And she brought me to a --
not to a psychologist, but
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she brought me to a
witch, a real witch.
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You can see Anton
Krasovsky here, hosting a
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Russian TV show.
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Earlier this year he
came out on air in front of
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everybody watching,
including his bosses.
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It was a hugely
controversial decision and
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one that cost him his job.
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Because somebody should
to -- and I, you know,
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I decided that it's time
to be open and it's time
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to be open for me.
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This is probably my biggest
fear that my parents and my
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relatives will feel
ashamed about me.
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And I think my worst
fear would be because of
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prejudice that I face here
that I would have to leave
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and return to England, to
leave my friends, you know,
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the people that have almost
become my second family to me.
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It sends a
very clear message.
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The law says that homosexual
propaganda is the goal
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directed and uncontrolled
distribution of information
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that can cause harm to
the spiritual or physical
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development of children
including forming in them
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the erroneous impression
of social equality between
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same-sex and heterosexual
marital relations.
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So that's a very --
that phrase, you know,
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the erroneous impression of
social equality, is key.
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It establishes
second-class citizenship.
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It makes it a offense
[background laughter]
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to claim social equality.
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If I tell my kids that
we're just as good as the
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neighbor's family, [baby
sounds] I'm an offender.
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You know, I've committed
an administrative offense.
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It's a pretty standard
Russian law which is written
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in such a way that it can
be used to harass anybody,
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anytime, for any reason.
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Conservative values, it's
new Russian trend.
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So this law is one
of, part of this trend.
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You have to consider that
Russia is a country that
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went from almost a fervent
and imposed atheism,
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where belief in God was not
allowed under the Soviet Union,
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to suddenly the pendulum
swings back after the
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Soviet Union ends and
you have the recrudescence
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of the Orthodox Church and
it gaining enormous power.
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This homophobic law is
result of this conservative
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atmosphere and conservative
opinions leading -- led by
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the Russian Orthodox Church
and other conservative
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or nationalistic groups.
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Would you say Russia's becoming
a conservative religious state?
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No.
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I hope not yet [laughter].
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I would not feel comfortable
working with minors anymore.
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What's going to be with gay
children who go to school?
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So it means that
they are propaganda.
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Just being who you are,
you're doing something wrong.
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I am an English teacher.
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Well, it's nonsense.
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The propaganda law will
drive me out of a job
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that I love to do.
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It probably even
increases the hate.
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When people start to talk
about these things at a
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government level, I truly
do believe that it doesn't stop.
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Now we can
officially hate them.
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I think ignorance,
intolerance, racism, and
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homophobia in every way
is almost like a cancer.
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Of course, first of all, it
means that you cannot kiss
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your partner on the streets
because children can be there.
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And that's so important
because if you love someone
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you want to show it.
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And imagine that you used to
live a life where you cannot
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show your feelings.
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I guess the best explanation
would be that when you show
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your feelings in Russia you
feel yourself like a thief.
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You feel like you're
stealing something.
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The largest criminal
psychiatry institute in Russia,
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the Serbsky
Institute, tells people --
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it's organized a whole
series of courses for local
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psychiatrists to help
them identify pedophiles.
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And one of the ways that
they're told that they can
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identify pedophiles is by
identifying gays because
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homosexuality and
pedophilia go hand-in-hand.
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That's what they're taught.
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So I think we're much
more likely to see, and it's
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probably happening already
actually, we're much more
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like to see a series of
people -- gay men who are
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framed for statutory rape.
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Can you speak
English?
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Definitely.
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In Soviet Union, as in every
other country, a number of
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that people was around
one, two person, not more.
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I guess it was much
less than one person.
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But, frankly speaking, now
in many countries where gay
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propaganda is officially
allowed, especially among
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minors, a number of
that people is increasing.
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This is like a disease.
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You can call cancer as --
you can call cancer to be a
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friend, you know, but
cancer would kill you.
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And since they would
kill the society,
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they will destroy the
society, and I really...
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Like homosexuality
is a cancer.
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Homosexuality is a
virus, is a virus.
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Is a virus for society, is
a virus for morality,
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and society which
underlines the necessity to
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legalize sins
is going down.
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We should remember the
historical experience of
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very tolerant cities
called Sodom and Gomorrah.
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They were so tolerant that
God showed all his tolerance
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to this very modern at that
time and very liberal cities
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with burning sulfurs
going from the sky.
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And now, unfortunately, I'm
sorry, but it's proven even
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by the scientists, that
these cities were destroyed
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when they leave faith,
country, family, church,
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is all basic values and it
cannot be crushed.
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What is the value of
homosexual living together?
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What is the --
what, what,
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what's the purpose
of this living?
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I remember my father
kissing my mother,
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which is natural,
you know.
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And I don't want our Russian
kid to be raised by two
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homosexuals
kissing each other.
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But what's
worse?
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Worse?
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What's worse?
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Yes. What
is worse?
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To grow in an orphanage
or to be adopted
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by two mothers or
two fathers?
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No!
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What -- how can
you say two mothers?
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Mother is only...
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Two women.
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- Let's say two women.
- Two women.
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Two women living abnormal,
sin away, no, of life.
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He said the Americans want
us to allow -- to let them
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take kids out of Russian
orphanages and bring them up
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in perverted families
like masochists.
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When that kind of politician
mentions you in that way...
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...it's a direct threat.
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So that was like a red flag.
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We're going to go after you.
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So I contacted an
adoption lawyer.
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So I wrote him a letter and
asked him whether he thought
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this was a threat.
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His response was, the
answer to your question
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is at the airport.
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Talk to Volva, tell
him not to talk to strangers.
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If somebody tries
to grab him, run.
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And the most important thing
you can tell him is, run.
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And don't open the door to
Social Services or to anybody.
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So we actually had to
have a conversation
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specifically about that.
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I feel kind of scared
because a lot of Russian
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people hate gays and
they can do something to my
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family not really good.
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And the cops and all
that stuff, they're
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-- all of them,
they hate gays.
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And, yeah.
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You're worried
about his new law?
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Yeah, because my fam...
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-- because I live in
a family with gays.
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And they can do
something bad to us.
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I like living in Russia because
it's the place where I live.
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It's my home.
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And even there's, there's
not a lot of good stuff
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going on here, but I like
it because I live here.
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And I sometimes I get
worried for my parents
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because a lot of -- some people,
like, are against my mother.
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When they started passing
laws on adoptions and saying
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that they're going to pass
laws on -- I mean banning
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same-sex adoption --
adoption by same-sex couples,
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and saying that they will pass
laws to take children away
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from same-sex families, it
was difficult not to
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take it personally.
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I mean, there isn't another
out family in Russia.
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There just isn't.
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We're it.
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In social situations where
people are saying that their
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family's weird, you're kind
of thinking about what's
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happening with -- now I
never, like, ever feel like
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why are they
feeling like that.
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Do these laws, do
they worry you?
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Yeah.
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I'm kind of scared that
something's going to happen
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but it's not like -- it's
not in my mind like really
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bothering me because I
don't believe that's real.
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There is a driving force
behind this promotion of
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homophobia in the
Russian Federation.
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There's a concerted
hate-mongering campaign
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that's launched
by the Kremlin,
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that's run by
the Kremlin.
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It employs the entire
propaganda machine.
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And this negative opinion
is because of the lack of
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proper information and also
because of the very strong
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propaganda of homophobia,
which is now going on
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through State
TV channels.
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So we can see in
every week something
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terrible about LGBTs,
something manipulated about
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how it's going
in the West,
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and some -- it creates
something like panic.
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You know, it's
a war rhetoric.
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And at this -- it's this war
rhetoric that makes it clear
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that the enemy's
less than human.
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And the other part of war
rhetoric that they have to
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employ is making sure
that the enemy's very scary.
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So they also have to
establish danger.
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It is very reminiscent of
Nazi rhetoric in the 1930s
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where they also did this
double thing, where Jews were
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portrayed as being dangerous
to the Aryan race,
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and as being less than human
and undeserving of living in
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close quarters with Germans.
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Putin sees his
constituency shrinking.
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He needs to
consolidate his base.
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In order to consolidate
his base he needs to, again,
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show that there's an enemy.
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He truly, really believes
that protests are inspired
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from abroad, that it is the
other, and nobody represents
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the other better
than gays and lesbians.
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Most Russians continue
to believe -- I mean, the
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absolute vast majority of
Russians continue to believe
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that they've never met a
gay person in their lives.
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People perceive that the
enemy is someone abstract,
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not as someone
that they know.
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That creates a dangerous
situation because that
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creates a situation
where scapegoating is very,
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very easy, and hate-mongering
is very, very easy.
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For Putin specifically, the
goal is find a population
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that he can intimidate.
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It's laughable that Putin
cares about children
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let alone the
education of children.
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Putin is hell-bent on doing
one thing -- staying in power.
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And in order to stay in
power he needs to suffocate
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civil society, shut down
freedom of expression,
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and in the case of this law,
the slow, but noticeable
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slowdown in the economy
and people's upset,
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he needs to find
something to blame.
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What's he going to focus on?
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The weakest, who he sees
as the weakest,
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the ones who are not
going to rise up.
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Gays are a very
fresh target.
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They're like low-hanging
fruit, if you will.
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Every moment that this
law and the homosexism,
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homophobia, education,
children, is discussed,
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is a moment that is not
focused on Putin's looting the
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country and the abhorrent
human rights violations
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occurring all across Russia
as it descends further and
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00:43:19,798 --> 00:43:21,800
further into a dictatorship.
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He pretend that Russian
demography problems is in
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gays, not in low level of
life, not about
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-- it's impossible to
buy your own flat
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if you are a
young person.
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00:43:38,449 --> 00:43:43,321
I think, yes, gays, gays
is easy enough... All shit.
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00:43:43,354 --> 00:43:47,826
One is to judge people, not
just on what they say,
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00:43:47,859 --> 00:43:49,360
but on what
they do.
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00:43:49,394 --> 00:43:52,463
And in the case of Putin,
every time he says he's going
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00:43:52,497 --> 00:43:55,333
to do something, he
usually doesn't do it.
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00:43:55,366 --> 00:43:58,469
If he is to say that
the gays are going
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00:43:58,503 --> 00:43:59,905
to be okay,
it's simple.
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00:43:59,938 --> 00:44:01,973
Let's actually
look at footage.
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00:44:05,076 --> 00:44:09,881
[screaming]
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00:44:11,082 --> 00:44:12,884
Certain people are going to
be second-class citizens.
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00:44:12,918 --> 00:44:14,686
Certain people are not going
to be allowed to be who they
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are or who they
choose to be.
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What you end up with is a
circumstance where they --
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the other people are going
to start beating them up.
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The amount of private
violence that occurs in
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Russia today against gay
youth, it's -- I mean,
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00:44:35,506 --> 00:44:37,308
you have to be blind
not to see it.
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Sometimes people put
up personal ads,
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no different than personal ads
that heterosexual couples
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meet through, and
someone will show up
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00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:47,152
or will meet and suddenly
they'll be picked
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00:44:47,185 --> 00:44:52,190
up and kidnapped for
four or five, six hours,
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and beaten up and
essentially tortured.
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And the government
does nothing about this.
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00:44:59,130 --> 00:45:00,498
[Newscaster]: Later, just down
the road from the Parliament,
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gay-rights campaigners
were attacked
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00:45:02,667 --> 00:45:04,770
[background shouting].
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00:45:05,536 --> 00:45:07,806
Only a few days ago,
President Putin had called
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for more tolerance in
Russia and less aggression.
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00:45:12,543 --> 00:45:16,748
It's such a vulgar exercise
in petty nationalism
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00:45:16,782 --> 00:45:19,317
from a leader who
clearly sees himself as
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lacking some kind
of machismo.
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00:45:21,386 --> 00:45:23,721
Especially if you've lived
here all your life,
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00:45:23,755 --> 00:45:26,557
it's unusual for you not to
have been gay-bashed.
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00:45:28,126 --> 00:45:31,429
Near the center, near the
Kremlin, a gay bar,
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00:45:31,462 --> 00:45:32,798
and I got in a taxi...
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00:45:36,134 --> 00:45:39,037
...the taxi driver
drove me somewhere.
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00:45:42,874 --> 00:45:45,911
When I got out of the car
someone hit be around the
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00:45:45,944 --> 00:45:47,946
back of the head
with a baseball bat.
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00:45:50,215 --> 00:45:52,083
They beat me
up quite badly
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00:45:52,117 --> 00:45:54,019
and I was in the
hospital for some time.
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00:46:08,666 --> 00:46:10,168
And all they seemed to
want to do was get me
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00:46:10,201 --> 00:46:13,004
to sign a few
documents saying that
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00:46:13,038 --> 00:46:14,973
I don't want the police
to investigate.
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00:46:15,006 --> 00:46:16,574
I want to forget
all about this.
446
00:46:16,607 --> 00:46:19,277
And they wanted me out
the door and to go home.
447
00:47:23,741 --> 00:47:26,844
When I was trying to engage
with someone through the
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website, we had decided
to meet and I was trying a
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place to be as public as
possible so it was a square
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in the middle of the city.
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And when I showed up
three guys came to me
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and they asked
my name.
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00:47:44,762 --> 00:47:45,897
I said yes.
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And they started
beating me.
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00:47:47,765 --> 00:47:49,267
So it was
a trap.
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00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:53,905
It was kind of trap when
they teach gays,
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00:47:53,939 --> 00:47:56,241
when they fix gays,
when they correct gays.
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00:47:56,274 --> 00:48:00,678
And police saw that and they
didn't do anything about it.
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00:48:00,711 --> 00:48:03,681
And, yeah, I was
pretty damaged.
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00:48:03,714 --> 00:48:05,716
It was hard to walk.
461
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:08,719
It was hard to move.
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00:48:54,132 --> 00:48:58,203
Teenagers, gay teenagers,
commit more suicides than
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anybody, any other,
any other groups.
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And this is happening
because they have no hope.
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00:49:06,011 --> 00:49:07,545
They don't know
what's happening to them.
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00:49:07,578 --> 00:49:09,347
I know this "chewing
gum" about the committing
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of suicide by
gay youngsters...
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00:49:12,984 --> 00:49:14,352
But then, what do you mean
propaganda? This is fact.
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00:49:14,385 --> 00:49:16,354
This is - this is
not a fact.
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The fact is that...
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00:49:17,422 --> 00:49:18,356
That gay young people
do not commit suicide?
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00:49:18,389 --> 00:49:20,858
No. Don't tell them
-- call them gay or not.
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00:49:20,891 --> 00:49:24,562
A young person, a young
individual, has unbalanced,
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unbalanced psychology,
psychological state.
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He's trying to realize
himself and he is trying to,
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00:49:36,074 --> 00:49:39,777
trying even different
deviations to find himself.
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00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:43,181
And he feels himself so
uncomfortable that he refuse
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00:49:43,214 --> 00:49:48,753
from a normal life and he's
becoming to be a homosexual.
479
00:49:48,786 --> 00:49:55,293
And -- but this cannot
stop him from moving down.
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And for us Christians, the
answer is absolutely clear.
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In case a person follows
the words of demons,
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you know, this person
goes to the demons.
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**
484
00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:42,052
Now the society
started speaking about this.
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00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:50,287
[Crowd cheering]
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00:54:51,489 --> 00:54:54,091
Do you feel that you
have been effective?
487
00:55:07,137 --> 00:55:09,707
[Crowd chanting].
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00:57:02,286 --> 00:57:05,055
I just decide to go
to Parliament
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00:57:05,089 --> 00:57:07,892
and kiss my
girl there.
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00:57:07,925 --> 00:57:09,794
[Newscaster]: She's also
a gay rights activist
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00:57:09,827 --> 00:57:13,998
who created a protest
called Kiss Day.
492
00:57:14,665 --> 00:57:20,204
I wrote Boston Journal and
say any people who want to
493
00:57:20,237 --> 00:57:23,007
go with me they can.
494
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,876
So even one person
they can hug anybody.
495
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:27,478
I can hug them, too.
496
00:57:27,512 --> 00:57:35,620
I just wanted to make some
nice and nice form of protest.
497
00:57:35,653 --> 00:57:44,294
First time it was like 10
people there, not 10, 15.
498
00:57:44,328 --> 00:57:47,998
And second time it
was 25,30 people.
499
00:57:48,032 --> 00:57:53,003
And third time it was
like 30 people again.
500
00:57:53,037 --> 00:57:55,472
[Newscaster]: What began
as public kissing ended
501
00:57:55,506 --> 00:57:59,043
in public violence as the
protestors came under attack
502
00:57:59,076 --> 00:58:01,111
from homophobic Muscovites.
503
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:03,714
**
504
00:58:05,282 --> 00:58:08,185
[Commotion]
505
00:58:11,689 --> 00:58:16,927
And then I wrote
another journal that,
506
00:58:16,961 --> 00:58:19,096
okay, two my friends have
broke once broken bones
507
00:58:19,129 --> 00:58:25,670
and my girlfriend was attacked
and she has some brain trauma,
508
00:58:25,703 --> 00:58:30,440
so I cannot ask you to
come with me again.
509
00:58:30,474 --> 00:58:36,113
But I write -- but I say
that I will be there again,
510
00:58:36,146 --> 00:58:41,652
be in Parliament, because then
we're going to discuss this law.
511
00:58:41,686 --> 00:58:44,288
So I was there and people
who are ready to be there,
512
00:58:44,321 --> 00:58:46,456
be there, too.
513
00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:52,529
And people came again and it
was wonderful because I saw
514
00:58:52,563 --> 00:58:59,103
some people, some strong
young men and women and they
515
00:58:59,136 --> 00:59:05,710
just make like a chain and
they stand between us
516
00:59:05,743 --> 00:59:10,147
and these crazy
Orthodox people.
517
00:59:10,180 --> 00:59:12,549
And they did
in fact arrest us.
518
00:59:13,150 --> 00:59:15,019
I never saw
anything like this.
519
00:59:15,052 --> 00:59:18,956
But police decide to arrest
us first, and they arrest us
520
00:59:18,989 --> 00:59:25,395
very soon then they put
us in police station
521
00:59:25,429 --> 00:59:30,768
and there they beat
me a little bit.
522
00:59:30,801 --> 00:59:34,705
I mean policemans because
they know I'm like kind of
523
00:59:34,739 --> 00:59:39,176
leader of this kissing protest
and they want me to stop.
524
00:59:39,209 --> 00:59:42,713
Are those actions that you
go for, are they effective?
525
00:59:42,747 --> 00:59:44,348
Do they change anything?
526
00:59:45,149 --> 00:59:46,516
No.
527
00:59:46,550 --> 00:59:48,118
Why did you keep going?
528
00:59:48,152 --> 00:59:49,954
Because I don't
want to sit at home.
529
00:59:49,987 --> 00:59:52,222
Then they
change my life.
530
00:59:53,357 --> 00:59:57,361
**
531
00:59:58,162 --> 01:00:00,497
Me and my friends, we
make website...
532
01:00:00,530 --> 01:00:02,432
We just ask people, if you
want to say something about
533
01:00:02,466 --> 01:00:06,003
this law to our deputies in
Parliament, you can send us
534
01:00:06,036 --> 01:00:10,240
your photo and your text,
and we will publish it on
535
01:00:10,274 --> 01:00:13,210
this site and then we will
bring these photos
536
01:00:13,243 --> 01:00:20,617
and bring us
to Parliament.
537
01:00:20,651 --> 01:00:22,186
And we did it.
538
01:00:22,219 --> 01:00:27,091
And now it's more
than 1,000 photos there.
539
01:00:27,892 --> 01:00:35,800
**
540
01:00:37,134 --> 01:00:40,270
And people with open faces
tells about the gays and
541
01:00:40,304 --> 01:00:43,841
lesbians and the parents
of gays and lesbians,
542
01:00:43,874 --> 01:00:47,211
or they're straight, they say
what they hate, haters.
543
01:00:48,478 --> 01:00:53,183
**
544
01:00:53,217 --> 01:00:54,885
I know that it's
my country.
545
01:00:54,919 --> 01:00:57,988
It's actually my... So
I have to fight.
546
01:00:58,022 --> 01:01:03,293
I don't have any [laughs]
choice actually.
547
01:01:04,094 --> 01:01:05,830
Do you think that gay
people should leave,
548
01:01:05,863 --> 01:01:07,932
LGBT people should
leave the country?
549
01:01:34,258 --> 01:01:36,326
Gay people
should leave.
550
01:04:04,408 --> 01:04:07,611
**
551
01:04:09,980 --> 01:04:11,681
The biggest fear is
having my kids taken away.
552
01:04:11,715 --> 01:04:15,085
I mean, to be honest, I've
been writing the story for
553
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:16,620
more than 20 years.
554
01:04:16,653 --> 01:04:19,689
And I'd stick around
just to see how it unfurls.
555
01:04:19,723 --> 01:04:22,392
It's -- I mean, I
think this is the agony.
556
01:04:22,426 --> 01:04:27,597
I think things are going to get
a lot worse before it's over.
557
01:04:27,631 --> 01:04:32,869
I would love to write it but
-- and so, I -- if it were a
558
01:04:32,903 --> 01:04:35,405
question of only my
personal safety I'd stay.
559
01:04:35,439 --> 01:04:39,209
When Mizulina, the head of
the Committee on the Family
560
01:04:39,243 --> 01:04:41,411
in the Parliament said,
we're going to create a
561
01:04:41,445 --> 01:04:43,613
mechanism, a legal mechanism
for removing children
562
01:04:43,647 --> 01:04:46,016
from same-sex families,
that clinched it.
563
01:04:46,951 --> 01:04:49,086
I didn't even feel like I
could stick around
564
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:52,089
and wait to see if they
actually passed those laws.
565
01:04:52,122 --> 01:04:53,890
The Russian Government
does not have any secrets.
566
01:04:53,924 --> 01:04:56,226
The Russian Government tells
you exactly what it's going
567
01:04:56,260 --> 01:04:58,595
to do and then it
goes ahead and does it.
568
01:04:58,628 --> 01:05:00,597
And they've told us
that they're going to take
569
01:05:00,630 --> 01:05:02,666
children away from
same-sex families
570
01:05:02,699 --> 01:05:05,002
and they're going
to do it.
571
01:05:05,035 --> 01:05:07,404
The question, you know,
before this international
572
01:05:07,437 --> 01:05:11,641
campaign is, are they going
to do it in a month, two months?
573
01:05:11,675 --> 01:05:13,043
Will they wait a year?
574
01:05:13,077 --> 01:05:14,811
My daughter was at summer
camp, summer school,
575
01:05:14,844 --> 01:05:16,880
in the states so I
came to visit her.
576
01:05:16,913 --> 01:05:18,515
And we were having
dinner and I said,
577
01:05:18,548 --> 01:05:21,518
I think we're
going to leave.
578
01:05:21,551 --> 01:05:23,420
And she just
broke down crying.
579
01:05:23,453 --> 01:05:26,456
She said, I don't
understand how it can
580
01:05:26,490 --> 01:05:30,427
be so dangerous when it
doesn't feel dangerous.
581
01:05:30,460 --> 01:05:32,662
And I said, oh, well, as
a former war reporter,
582
01:05:32,696 --> 01:05:33,763
I can explain
this to you.
583
01:05:33,797 --> 01:05:37,234
This is the weirdest thing
about war is that you,
584
01:05:37,267 --> 01:05:40,270
you know, you walk away from
the front line and there are
585
01:05:40,304 --> 01:05:43,773
like cafes and restaurants
and you have fun,
586
01:05:43,807 --> 01:05:45,642
and then you go and
look at the shooting
587
01:05:45,675 --> 01:05:47,111
or take part in the
shooting, again.
588
01:05:47,144 --> 01:05:48,245
And that's just
how it works.
589
01:05:48,278 --> 01:05:49,579
And it's really
dangerous.
590
01:05:49,613 --> 01:05:53,683
One day you realize that you
have to do something about
591
01:05:53,717 --> 01:06:00,357
that and you're trying to
find the ways you can be active.
592
01:06:00,390 --> 01:06:03,527
You can try other ways, you
can do something about it,
593
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,695
not only for yourself but
for the others as well.
594
01:06:05,729 --> 01:06:12,002
I was looking for the way
to participate through any
595
01:06:12,036 --> 01:06:17,574
pride activities, so I just
showed up at the place
596
01:06:17,607 --> 01:06:18,742
and police came.
597
01:06:18,775 --> 01:06:20,977
It was more police
than activists
598
01:06:21,011 --> 01:06:23,580
and some of them
were arrested.
599
01:06:23,613 --> 01:06:27,151
Some of them were
beaten up.
600
01:06:27,751 --> 01:06:30,020
I was among them.
601
01:06:30,620 --> 01:06:32,556
Next question.
602
01:06:33,823 --> 01:06:35,125
Next question.
603
01:06:36,593 --> 01:06:40,497
They grabbed a few people
and, I guess, those who were
604
01:06:40,530 --> 01:06:48,605
more active, and others
they just left laying on the
605
01:06:48,638 --> 01:06:52,809
ground after they used
tasers and sticks.
606
01:06:52,842 --> 01:06:54,211
I guess the right
word is batons.
607
01:06:54,244 --> 01:06:56,546
I was bleeding.
608
01:06:59,649 --> 01:07:01,351
I was dirty.
609
01:07:01,851 --> 01:07:08,125
So, yeah, I took some time
to get rid of the blood
610
01:07:08,158 --> 01:07:10,527
and get
clean again.
611
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,797
So it was
pretty bad.
612
01:07:13,830 --> 01:07:18,335
I decided to leave
Russia when I was 25,
613
01:07:18,368 --> 01:07:21,771
and by that time I won
a scholarship at
614
01:07:21,805 --> 01:07:23,006
New York Film
Academy.
615
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:25,109
And that was my ticket.
616
01:07:25,142 --> 01:07:28,745
And when I came here
in July in 2010,
617
01:07:28,778 --> 01:07:30,747
I immediately
applied for asylum.
618
01:07:30,780 --> 01:07:33,583
A significant number of
males and females that I've
619
01:07:33,617 --> 01:07:36,386
met in the United States
have come as asylum seekers
620
01:07:36,420 --> 01:07:39,956
due to the discrimination
against gays and lesbians.
621
01:07:39,989 --> 01:07:42,892
Now this has been
going on for decades.
622
01:07:42,926 --> 01:07:44,594
This is not
something new.
623
01:07:44,628 --> 01:07:46,396
So should they
get asylum?
624
01:07:46,430 --> 01:07:48,798
I don't see
why not.
625
01:07:49,666 --> 01:07:55,605
I saw movies about like
gay life in New York.
626
01:07:55,639 --> 01:07:58,408
I just didn't
have money to go.
627
01:07:58,875 --> 01:08:00,477
I saved it.
628
01:08:00,510 --> 01:08:08,185
And one day I was beat up
and it was like in smoke.
629
01:08:08,218 --> 01:08:10,287
I like...
630
01:08:15,425 --> 01:08:20,630
I thought this the moment
like they kill me.
631
01:08:21,431 --> 01:08:23,433
I decided to leave.
632
01:08:23,467 --> 01:08:26,236
I just -- I bought
tickets and left.
633
01:08:26,270 --> 01:08:29,206
So, basically, in August I was
already at Immigration Equality
634
01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:35,245
door knocking and
telling them my stories,
635
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:37,714
how they took me, they
found me the lawyers.
636
01:08:37,747 --> 01:08:43,720
I got my lawyers from
Immigration Equality.
637
01:08:43,753 --> 01:08:48,658
They gave me
lawyers for free.
638
01:08:48,692 --> 01:08:51,328
And now I'm waiting
just for interview.
639
01:08:51,361 --> 01:08:56,266
They just go through your
story and they ask you the
640
01:08:56,300 --> 01:08:59,035
questions about your
story so they can see,
641
01:08:59,068 --> 01:09:01,238
they can feel that you
are telling the truth.
642
01:09:01,271 --> 01:09:05,675
The case consisted
of the incidents,
643
01:09:05,709 --> 01:09:08,845
what happened to me
because I was gay.
644
01:09:08,878 --> 01:09:11,515
Going through that case
was going through...
645
01:09:11,548 --> 01:09:14,518
For my life, which
I never did before
646
01:09:14,551 --> 01:09:18,655
and I don't think I'm
going to do again, ever.
647
01:09:18,688 --> 01:09:24,694
If I don't get it, I don't
know what I will do.
648
01:09:24,728 --> 01:09:27,264
I got asylum right
on the interview.
649
01:09:27,297 --> 01:09:29,098
I mean, after the interview.
650
01:09:29,132 --> 01:09:30,934
You are waiting now
for asylum, right?
651
01:09:30,967 --> 01:09:32,469
Yes, I'm waiting for asylum.
652
01:09:32,502 --> 01:09:36,773
I was just trying to get an
asylum in the country just
653
01:09:36,806 --> 01:09:38,975
as far from
Russia as possible.
654
01:09:39,543 --> 01:09:44,248
I miss my mom and my
grandmother because my
655
01:09:44,281 --> 01:09:54,791
grandmother now she is
sick and I really miss her.
656
01:09:54,824 --> 01:09:56,660
And I hope my
mom will come
657
01:09:56,693 --> 01:09:59,696
and visiting me
when I get asylum.
658
01:10:00,364 --> 01:10:02,299
Do you think you will
see your grandmother?
659
01:10:02,332 --> 01:10:03,733
I believe.
660
01:10:04,968 --> 01:10:09,739
When I came to New York I
was very surprised
661
01:10:09,773 --> 01:10:13,009
by people holding
their hands.
662
01:10:13,042 --> 01:10:18,515
I mean, two men, by gays
holding hands on the streets.
663
01:10:18,548 --> 01:10:21,551
Do you hold hands in school?
664
01:10:21,585 --> 01:10:26,523
I don't -- when I first
fell in love -- I just can't
665
01:10:26,556 --> 01:10:31,361
imagine the life living without
holding -- I want -- sorry.
666
01:10:44,007 --> 01:10:49,779
I feel here for 100%
like this is, this is me.
667
01:10:49,813 --> 01:10:51,180
I'm here.
668
01:10:51,214 --> 01:10:54,751
Like I waited for this
moment to be happy,
669
01:10:54,784 --> 01:10:57,387
to be who I am,
all my life.
670
01:10:57,421 --> 01:10:59,989
I'm sure I became
a better person.
671
01:11:00,023 --> 01:11:03,960
I became more empathetic
because when you are totally
672
01:11:03,993 --> 01:11:06,162
open, when you have nothing
to hide, when you have
673
01:11:06,195 --> 01:11:12,569
nothing to lie about,
it's much easier to live.
674
01:11:12,602 --> 01:11:13,903
It's much easier
to exist.
675
01:11:13,937 --> 01:11:17,173
Three years in New York were
the happiest in my life.
676
01:11:17,206 --> 01:11:20,209
It all relates
to being gay.
677
01:11:20,243 --> 01:11:26,383
As a gay, I am much more
happier than ever,
678
01:11:26,416 --> 01:11:28,618
then I could
ever imagine.
679
01:11:29,085 --> 01:11:33,089
**
680
01:12:06,089 --> 01:12:09,325
I think we will have this
anti-discrimination law
681
01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:12,996
for LGBTs and we will
be a social group.
682
01:12:13,029 --> 01:12:15,632
I have hope on the
civil society.
683
01:12:15,665 --> 01:12:16,866
Right.
684
01:12:16,900 --> 01:12:21,137
That we are strong
enough and we will do it.
685
01:12:54,738 --> 01:12:57,774
If you'd asked a European
that 45 to 50 years ago,
686
01:12:57,807 --> 01:13:00,309
if they ever thought gay
marriage would be a
687
01:13:00,343 --> 01:13:03,312
possibility in Europe, I
think they would have almost
688
01:13:03,346 --> 01:13:05,114
laughed at you and
said, of course, not.
689
01:13:08,585 --> 01:13:12,889
I don't think it's going to
happen in Russia in my lifetime,
690
01:13:12,922 --> 01:13:14,491
but I do think
and hope that
691
01:13:14,524 --> 01:13:16,560
one day it will
become a reality.
692
01:13:16,593 --> 01:13:21,130
I think gay marriages will
never be allowed in Russia,
693
01:13:21,164 --> 01:13:22,932
at least for my generation.
694
01:13:30,339 --> 01:13:32,976
It's not a question of the
Russian LGBT movement,
695
01:13:33,009 --> 01:13:34,544
it's a question of
the Putin regime.
696
01:13:34,578 --> 01:13:37,146
Things will be a lot worse
the longer it goes on.
697
01:14:20,624 --> 01:14:25,428
We can change people mind
actually, but if we
698
01:14:25,461 --> 01:14:28,965
-- if we will have right to
speak, you know?
699
01:14:28,998 --> 01:14:31,334
But now they want to
close this right for us.
700
01:14:31,367 --> 01:14:33,737
It's up to every person who
actually believes in human
701
01:14:33,770 --> 01:14:37,406
dignity because at the end
of the day it's about this
702
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:39,342
is wrong, and we
should all stand for it.
703
01:14:39,375 --> 01:14:44,347
If the death of the regime
comes relatively soon,
704
01:14:44,380 --> 01:14:47,851
I think this horrible fear
that we're living through
705
01:14:47,884 --> 01:14:52,488
right now will actually have
served to unite and mobilize
706
01:14:52,522 --> 01:14:53,657
and strengthen the movement.
707
01:14:53,690 --> 01:14:56,159
But if it goes on for any
length of time, more than a
708
01:14:56,192 --> 01:15:00,897
couple of years, then I
think it will be scorched earth.
709
01:15:00,930 --> 01:15:02,198
Most people think they
have to have a big vision.
710
01:15:02,231 --> 01:15:03,867
No, think small.
711
01:15:03,900 --> 01:15:06,169
And some people are simply
putting little, little,
712
01:15:06,202 --> 01:15:08,605
little cards and they're
writing a message and
713
01:15:08,638 --> 01:15:09,973
they're putting it on
their Facebook,
714
01:15:10,006 --> 01:15:11,675
and then they're sending it
to people in Russia.
715
01:15:11,708 --> 01:15:13,076
That's something
you can do.
716
01:15:13,109 --> 01:15:16,379
That you're, you know, a
14-year-old girl somewhere
717
01:15:16,412 --> 01:15:21,250
in mid-Ohio that cares about
this, or your son, your son,
718
01:15:21,284 --> 01:15:25,655
young man in Belfast who is
interested and is watching them.
719
01:15:25,689 --> 01:15:27,824
Write to the
Russian Embassy locally.
720
01:15:27,857 --> 01:15:29,425
Protest outside the
Russian Embassy
721
01:15:29,458 --> 01:15:30,927
even if it's only
for a day.
722
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,262
Write a letter to
your Congressman.
723
01:15:33,296 --> 01:15:34,598
Talk about this
at your school.
724
01:15:34,631 --> 01:15:37,834
Show this documentary
to other people.
725
01:15:37,867 --> 01:15:41,304
Have them wake up and
participate and get involved.
726
01:15:41,337 --> 01:15:43,006
Ideas have consequences.
727
01:15:43,039 --> 01:15:46,442
And when you don't put good
ideas to work and you don't
728
01:15:46,475 --> 01:15:49,679
start spreading good ideas,
then bad ideas take hold in
729
01:15:49,713 --> 01:15:51,815
that vacuum that's created.
730
01:16:13,937 --> 01:16:17,073
You're absolutely wrong if
your view is that,
731
01:16:17,106 --> 01:16:20,677
well, 86% of Russians
are against gay
732
01:16:20,710 --> 01:16:22,946
rights or rather in
favor of this law.
733
01:16:22,979 --> 01:16:24,881
So we should
just give up.
734
01:16:24,914 --> 01:16:27,884
What happens if 90% of
Russians believe that Jews
735
01:16:27,917 --> 01:16:31,054
should be executed or that
Muslims should be executed?
736
01:16:31,087 --> 01:16:32,555
Does that mean we
should execute Muslims?
737
01:16:32,588 --> 01:16:33,522
No.
738
01:16:33,556 --> 01:16:36,893
The state exists to
safeguard the rights of
739
01:16:36,926 --> 01:16:40,163
minorities and that
includes gay minorities;
740
01:16:40,196 --> 01:16:41,931
that includes
sexual minorities.
741
01:16:41,965 --> 01:16:43,667
You know, that includes
women who decide to live
742
01:16:43,700 --> 01:16:45,468
with women and
have children.
743
01:16:45,501 --> 01:16:48,972
They should have equal
protection under law.
744
01:16:49,005 --> 01:16:51,741
And until they have that,
Russia will not be a free
745
01:16:51,775 --> 01:16:53,509
country for everyone.
746
01:17:19,836 --> 01:17:22,105
And what would be your
advice for Russian,
747
01:17:22,138 --> 01:17:25,608
for Russian
heterosexuals?
748
01:17:25,641 --> 01:17:33,316
Let new issues go into your
mind and don't have fears.
749
01:17:33,349 --> 01:17:35,752
When you accept
homosexuals,
750
01:17:35,785 --> 01:17:38,722
you accept more
freedom for yourself.
751
01:17:38,755 --> 01:17:40,824
It enrich you.
752
01:17:42,759 --> 01:17:44,761
**
753
01:18:45,588 --> 01:18:48,591
**
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