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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,935 --> 00:00:05,439 ** 2 00:00:19,187 --> 00:00:22,190 ** 3 00:00:32,433 --> 00:00:36,437 [speaking Russian] 4 00:02:01,822 --> 00:02:05,826 ** 5 00:02:06,694 --> 00:02:09,697 [speaking Russian] 6 00:03:42,022 --> 00:03:45,025 [speaking Russian] 7 00:04:50,624 --> 00:04:53,627 [speaking Russian] 8 00:05:05,606 --> 00:05:07,207 How did you guys meet? 9 00:07:04,424 --> 00:07:08,496 Kids they were angry and they are ready to fight you. 10 00:07:08,529 --> 00:07:09,429 It doesn't matter what. 11 00:07:09,463 --> 00:07:11,999 And if they see that you are different. 12 00:07:12,032 --> 00:07:15,603 When they see your voice let's say higher than normal, 13 00:07:15,636 --> 00:07:19,206 so you are an object of the bullying. 14 00:07:19,239 --> 00:07:22,610 On the breaks they used to beat me, they used to say 15 00:07:22,643 --> 00:07:26,514 bad words and laugh so it wasn't 16 00:07:26,547 --> 00:07:28,015 a very pleasant experience. 17 00:07:28,048 --> 00:07:29,817 One day, I could only cry. 18 00:07:29,850 --> 00:07:33,453 I realized that I was gay by the age of 13 I guess. 19 00:07:33,487 --> 00:07:34,688 It was terrible. 20 00:07:34,722 --> 00:07:37,891 I was sure I was only one gay in the world. 21 00:07:37,925 --> 00:07:40,528 I was sure there were no gays before me. 22 00:07:40,561 --> 00:07:42,095 I was sure I was sick. 23 00:07:42,129 --> 00:07:46,667 I was sure it wasn't normal 24 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:48,736 and I didn't know what to do with that. 25 00:07:48,769 --> 00:07:53,907 I used to try to date girls but it didn't work so... 26 00:07:53,941 --> 00:07:56,910 -- and then I started looking for the literature, 27 00:07:56,944 --> 00:08:00,080 but it was also in books where homosexuality was still 28 00:08:00,113 --> 00:08:02,449 illegal and I was reading it and I was thinking that 29 00:08:02,482 --> 00:08:04,084 okay, now I'm illegal as well. 30 00:08:04,117 --> 00:08:08,522 Feeling shame when you are gay, it's pretty normal. 31 00:08:08,556 --> 00:08:11,592 It's so normal we don't even think about it. 32 00:08:11,625 --> 00:08:13,527 And I didn't think about it. 33 00:08:13,561 --> 00:08:17,665 The opinion on gays is so strong in Russia 34 00:08:17,698 --> 00:08:19,499 that even you believe in it, 35 00:08:19,533 --> 00:08:21,401 even you believe that you are not normal. 36 00:08:21,434 --> 00:08:23,937 Even you believe that you are sick. 37 00:08:23,971 --> 00:08:25,739 ** 38 00:08:25,773 --> 00:08:28,108 I came to Russia in 1996. 39 00:08:28,141 --> 00:08:31,278 I became acquainted with lesbian and gays 40 00:08:31,311 --> 00:08:34,414 and they became friends and, you know, they told about 41 00:08:34,447 --> 00:08:38,485 their life and it was clearly that, you know, 42 00:08:38,518 --> 00:08:41,088 because of homophobia there is a lot of stigma 43 00:08:41,121 --> 00:08:44,592 that they have being lesbian and gay. 44 00:08:44,625 --> 00:08:47,294 They don't live openly. 45 00:08:47,327 --> 00:08:49,897 They hide their sexuality from colleagues, from 46 00:08:49,930 --> 00:08:54,768 families, from friends, you know, think up huge lies 47 00:08:54,802 --> 00:08:58,505 about their life, get married. 48 00:08:58,538 --> 00:09:01,174 For a long time I had the idea about, you know, a film 49 00:09:01,208 --> 00:09:05,112 festival, and in 2007 I began working on it with a friend. 50 00:09:05,145 --> 00:09:11,819 It's the first goal of the film festival is to inform 51 00:09:11,852 --> 00:09:16,023 people about LGBT issues and rights. 52 00:09:17,557 --> 00:09:25,966 ** 53 00:09:28,401 --> 00:09:32,339 From 2009 up to now, we've been able to hold the 54 00:09:32,372 --> 00:09:36,143 festival relatively freely in some theaters... 55 00:09:36,176 --> 00:09:38,812 But in other cities, for example, like Komarova, 56 00:09:38,846 --> 00:09:43,250 one nationalist group didn't want to have us there, 57 00:09:43,283 --> 00:09:50,991 so they sent a lot of threats to film festival's visitors, 58 00:09:51,024 --> 00:09:53,260 to the organization team. 59 00:09:53,293 --> 00:09:54,561 -What kind of threats? 60 00:09:54,594 --> 00:09:59,767 So like we will, we will put you down, 61 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,170 we will get your venue in fire. 62 00:10:03,203 --> 00:10:07,274 But the administration was on the side of this nationalists. 63 00:10:07,307 --> 00:10:11,611 They didn't want, they didn't want to protect film 64 00:10:11,645 --> 00:10:16,149 festival's visitors and us from these threats, 65 00:10:16,183 --> 00:10:18,185 from this nationalist group. 66 00:10:18,218 --> 00:10:21,855 And they basically said, well, you know, 67 00:10:21,889 --> 00:10:24,591 this festival isn't wanted in Komarova. 68 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:26,393 We're not going to protect you. 69 00:10:26,426 --> 00:10:28,896 And the following week we had a festival in 70 00:10:28,929 --> 00:10:33,033 Novosibirsk and, again, we came up against 71 00:10:33,066 --> 00:10:35,202 a lot of difficulties. 72 00:10:35,235 --> 00:10:37,871 On the second day of the festival, a large picket 73 00:10:37,905 --> 00:10:42,810 had been organized by a religious group. 74 00:10:42,843 --> 00:10:47,247 There were around 20, 20 or 30 religious activists 75 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,882 picketing the venue. 76 00:10:48,916 --> 00:10:51,051 And in addition to that, there were around 77 00:10:51,084 --> 00:10:54,855 another 20 or so nationalist youths. 78 00:10:54,888 --> 00:10:56,523 They were circling around. 79 00:10:56,556 --> 00:11:01,028 They were shouting insults at us. 80 00:11:01,061 --> 00:11:02,863 And it was clear from their behavior that they were 81 00:11:02,896 --> 00:11:04,832 intent on doing something further. 82 00:11:04,865 --> 00:11:09,837 We had to organize taxis to take away the audience 83 00:11:09,870 --> 00:11:13,040 because it was clear that they were -- wanted to beat 84 00:11:13,073 --> 00:11:17,644 people up and, you know, we addressed the police who, 85 00:11:17,677 --> 00:11:20,848 again, weren't interested in, you know, overseeing, 86 00:11:20,881 --> 00:11:24,017 you know, the safety for the visitors. 87 00:11:24,051 --> 00:11:25,618 And then they were waiting. 88 00:11:25,652 --> 00:11:27,755 Beringuela were there with another activist, 89 00:11:27,788 --> 00:11:32,092 local activist. And they were specifically waiting for us. 90 00:11:32,125 --> 00:11:35,863 They were on mopeds, in cars, and it was so clear 91 00:11:35,896 --> 00:11:38,631 that they, you know, were going to follow us. 92 00:11:38,665 --> 00:11:41,234 And it was just by luck that our taxi driver, 93 00:11:41,268 --> 00:11:45,839 he was a young guy, and it was just by chance that he was able 94 00:11:45,873 --> 00:11:50,477 to take us away at high speed from the venue. 95 00:12:07,660 --> 00:12:13,166 ** 96 00:12:13,733 --> 00:12:17,737 [camera clicking] 97 00:12:17,971 --> 00:12:23,944 ** 98 00:13:04,384 --> 00:13:09,456 ** 99 00:13:14,161 --> 00:13:16,830 Elena Kostyuchenko works for Novaya Gazeta, 100 00:13:16,864 --> 00:13:20,600 one of Russia's only newspapers critical of the Kremlin. 101 00:13:21,201 --> 00:13:22,002 I'm lesbian. 102 00:13:22,035 --> 00:13:23,736 I live openly. 103 00:13:23,770 --> 00:13:25,638 I have friends, I have job. 104 00:13:25,672 --> 00:13:28,976 All the time I'm going to [inaudible]. 105 00:13:29,009 --> 00:13:32,145 Now it's part of Russia, and then people ask 106 00:13:32,179 --> 00:13:35,448 me about who I am, where's my family. 107 00:13:35,482 --> 00:13:38,218 I tell them about my girlfriend. 108 00:13:38,251 --> 00:13:39,786 Do you think it's maybe easier 109 00:13:39,819 --> 00:13:41,388 for girls as I hear from people? 110 00:13:41,421 --> 00:13:45,592 Yeah, it is easy for girls because people are just -- 111 00:13:45,625 --> 00:13:49,562 they are not informed because there are not a lot 112 00:13:49,596 --> 00:13:52,265 of open gays and lesbians in Russia. 113 00:13:52,299 --> 00:13:55,168 And, actually, anybody in Russia has to know one gay 114 00:13:55,202 --> 00:13:58,805 and one lesbian at least. 115 00:13:58,838 --> 00:14:04,044 For example, just the day before yesterday, one guy 116 00:14:04,077 --> 00:14:10,550 from very, very small town, I think even village, 117 00:14:10,583 --> 00:14:18,558 in Siberia wrote me that he hates me, my life, 118 00:14:18,591 --> 00:14:21,828 and he would kill me if he would be Moscow 119 00:14:21,861 --> 00:14:28,501 and he send me some videos with some Nazi... 120 00:14:28,535 --> 00:14:38,011 And he just tried to chat and through -- in two hours 121 00:14:38,045 --> 00:14:45,618 he wrote me, do you understand that once on your 122 00:14:45,652 --> 00:14:47,887 action you can be killed? 123 00:14:47,921 --> 00:14:52,625 I said to him, I know that -- about with opportunity, 124 00:14:52,659 --> 00:14:55,528 yes, it's may be once. 125 00:14:55,562 --> 00:15:01,468 And he said, you nice person so it would be nice that you 126 00:15:01,501 --> 00:15:04,537 can immigrate to Norway or somewhere 127 00:15:04,571 --> 00:15:08,875 that you being safe there. 128 00:15:09,576 --> 00:15:12,579 And I wrote him that two hours ago you wanted to kill 129 00:15:12,612 --> 00:15:18,118 me by yourself so why you care about me now? 130 00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:27,160 And he wrote, I see you a nice girl and I had 131 00:15:27,194 --> 00:15:30,130 opportunity to speak with you, but people who going to 132 00:15:30,163 --> 00:15:33,100 go to you action to beat you is they didn't. 133 00:15:33,133 --> 00:15:34,867 So I just want you to be safe. 134 00:15:34,901 --> 00:15:37,304 Please tell me that you're going to leave. 135 00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:39,672 You cannot talk to each person for two hours a day 136 00:15:39,706 --> 00:15:41,074 and change peoples' minds. 137 00:15:41,108 --> 00:15:42,075 Yes. 138 00:15:42,109 --> 00:15:43,810 No, I can, actually. 139 00:15:43,843 --> 00:15:45,945 And I do it. 140 00:15:45,979 --> 00:15:50,517 So, but it's will be -- it's a bit easier that as the 141 00:15:50,550 --> 00:15:54,154 gays, lesbians, more as the gays and lesbians going to be open. 142 00:15:54,187 --> 00:16:00,793 ** 143 00:17:49,035 --> 00:17:50,837 How did you go about finding characters? 144 00:18:18,298 --> 00:18:19,666 You're a straight man. 145 00:18:19,699 --> 00:18:21,033 Mm-hmm. 146 00:18:21,067 --> 00:18:25,872 Why did you decide to speak for the rights of homosexuals? 147 00:18:53,366 --> 00:18:55,368 ** 148 00:18:56,102 --> 00:18:58,671 I was around 23 years old when I came out 149 00:18:58,705 --> 00:18:59,906 to my mother. 150 00:19:07,113 --> 00:19:09,682 I was absolutely sure before 15 minutes she couldn't 151 00:19:09,716 --> 00:19:15,788 speak and she kept saying like how come, how come? 152 00:19:45,585 --> 00:19:49,389 And she brought me to a -- not to a psychologist, but 153 00:19:49,422 --> 00:19:52,191 she brought me to a witch, a real witch. 154 00:22:06,493 --> 00:22:12,298 ** 155 00:22:14,467 --> 00:22:16,903 You can see Anton Krasovsky here, hosting a 156 00:22:16,936 --> 00:22:18,037 Russian TV show. 157 00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:21,040 Earlier this year he came out on air in front of 158 00:22:21,073 --> 00:22:23,676 everybody watching, including his bosses. 159 00:22:23,710 --> 00:22:25,978 It was a hugely controversial decision and 160 00:22:26,012 --> 00:22:28,548 one that cost him his job. 161 00:22:29,315 --> 00:22:31,484 Because somebody should to -- and I, you know, 162 00:22:31,518 --> 00:22:35,688 I decided that it's time to be open and it's time 163 00:22:35,722 --> 00:22:37,424 to be open for me. 164 00:24:44,817 --> 00:24:50,623 This is probably my biggest fear that my parents and my 165 00:24:50,657 --> 00:24:55,394 relatives will feel ashamed about me. 166 00:24:55,427 --> 00:24:57,396 And I think my worst fear would be because of 167 00:24:57,429 --> 00:25:00,266 prejudice that I face here that I would have to leave 168 00:25:00,299 --> 00:25:03,402 and return to England, to leave my friends, you know, 169 00:25:03,435 --> 00:25:06,739 the people that have almost become my second family to me. 170 00:25:24,256 --> 00:25:25,625 It sends a very clear message. 171 00:25:25,658 --> 00:25:29,662 The law says that homosexual propaganda is the goal 172 00:25:29,696 --> 00:25:32,231 directed and uncontrolled distribution of information 173 00:25:32,264 --> 00:25:35,602 that can cause harm to the spiritual or physical 174 00:25:35,635 --> 00:25:38,304 development of children including forming in them 175 00:25:38,337 --> 00:25:41,540 the erroneous impression of social equality between 176 00:25:41,574 --> 00:25:45,444 same-sex and heterosexual marital relations. 177 00:25:45,477 --> 00:25:48,648 So that's a very -- that phrase, you know, 178 00:25:48,681 --> 00:25:52,084 the erroneous impression of social equality, is key. 179 00:25:52,118 --> 00:25:54,153 It establishes second-class citizenship. 180 00:25:54,186 --> 00:25:56,055 It makes it a offense [background laughter] 181 00:25:56,088 --> 00:25:57,456 to claim social equality. 182 00:25:57,489 --> 00:26:00,627 If I tell my kids that we're just as good as the 183 00:26:00,660 --> 00:26:05,264 neighbor's family, [baby sounds] I'm an offender. 184 00:26:05,297 --> 00:26:07,233 You know, I've committed an administrative offense. 185 00:26:07,266 --> 00:26:10,502 It's a pretty standard Russian law which is written 186 00:26:10,536 --> 00:26:13,072 in such a way that it can be used to harass anybody, 187 00:26:13,105 --> 00:26:15,507 anytime, for any reason. 188 00:26:43,402 --> 00:26:47,173 Conservative values, it's new Russian trend. 189 00:26:47,206 --> 00:26:50,743 So this law is one of, part of this trend. 190 00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:53,913 You have to consider that Russia is a country that 191 00:26:53,946 --> 00:27:01,153 went from almost a fervent and imposed atheism, 192 00:27:01,187 --> 00:27:04,691 where belief in God was not allowed under the Soviet Union, 193 00:27:04,724 --> 00:27:06,993 to suddenly the pendulum swings back after the 194 00:27:07,026 --> 00:27:10,897 Soviet Union ends and you have the recrudescence 195 00:27:10,930 --> 00:27:16,568 of the Orthodox Church and it gaining enormous power. 196 00:27:16,602 --> 00:27:20,539 This homophobic law is result of this conservative 197 00:27:20,572 --> 00:27:29,148 atmosphere and conservative opinions leading -- led by 198 00:27:29,181 --> 00:27:32,151 the Russian Orthodox Church and other conservative 199 00:27:32,184 --> 00:27:34,253 or nationalistic groups. 200 00:27:34,286 --> 00:27:39,025 Would you say Russia's becoming a conservative religious state? 201 00:27:39,892 --> 00:27:41,694 No. 202 00:27:43,395 --> 00:27:45,231 I hope not yet [laughter]. 203 00:28:09,856 --> 00:28:12,859 I would not feel comfortable working with minors anymore. 204 00:28:12,892 --> 00:28:16,628 What's going to be with gay children who go to school? 205 00:28:16,662 --> 00:28:19,766 So it means that they are propaganda. 206 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:22,401 Just being who you are, you're doing something wrong. 207 00:28:27,907 --> 00:28:29,175 I am an English teacher. 208 00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:31,010 Well, it's nonsense. 209 00:28:31,043 --> 00:28:34,013 The propaganda law will drive me out of a job 210 00:28:34,046 --> 00:28:35,681 that I love to do. 211 00:28:36,415 --> 00:28:39,685 It probably even increases the hate. 212 00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:41,988 When people start to talk about these things at a 213 00:28:42,021 --> 00:28:46,592 government level, I truly do believe that it doesn't stop. 214 00:28:46,625 --> 00:28:49,461 Now we can officially hate them. 215 00:28:49,495 --> 00:28:52,031 I think ignorance, intolerance, racism, and 216 00:28:52,064 --> 00:28:55,835 homophobia in every way is almost like a cancer. 217 00:29:11,884 --> 00:29:17,023 Of course, first of all, it means that you cannot kiss 218 00:29:17,056 --> 00:29:21,260 your partner on the streets because children can be there. 219 00:29:22,161 --> 00:29:25,865 And that's so important because if you love someone 220 00:29:25,898 --> 00:29:28,434 you want to show it. 221 00:29:28,467 --> 00:29:35,875 And imagine that you used to live a life where you cannot 222 00:29:35,908 --> 00:29:38,710 show your feelings. 223 00:29:39,511 --> 00:29:46,718 I guess the best explanation would be that when you show 224 00:29:46,752 --> 00:29:50,189 your feelings in Russia you feel yourself like a thief. 225 00:29:50,222 --> 00:29:53,392 You feel like you're stealing something. 226 00:31:24,483 --> 00:31:26,185 The largest criminal psychiatry institute in Russia, 227 00:31:26,218 --> 00:31:29,255 the Serbsky Institute, tells people -- 228 00:31:29,288 --> 00:31:32,858 it's organized a whole series of courses for local 229 00:31:32,891 --> 00:31:35,761 psychiatrists to help them identify pedophiles. 230 00:31:35,794 --> 00:31:38,264 And one of the ways that they're told that they can 231 00:31:38,297 --> 00:31:42,168 identify pedophiles is by identifying gays because 232 00:31:42,201 --> 00:31:44,570 homosexuality and pedophilia go hand-in-hand. 233 00:31:44,603 --> 00:31:46,572 That's what they're taught. 234 00:31:46,605 --> 00:31:50,042 So I think we're much more likely to see, and it's 235 00:31:50,076 --> 00:31:53,279 probably happening already actually, we're much more 236 00:31:53,312 --> 00:31:58,650 like to see a series of people -- gay men who are 237 00:31:58,684 --> 00:32:01,020 framed for statutory rape. 238 00:32:02,888 --> 00:32:04,256 Can you speak English? 239 00:32:04,290 --> 00:32:05,857 Definitely. 240 00:32:05,891 --> 00:32:09,828 In Soviet Union, as in every other country, a number of 241 00:32:09,861 --> 00:32:12,498 that people was around one, two person, not more. 242 00:32:12,531 --> 00:32:15,534 I guess it was much less than one person. 243 00:32:15,567 --> 00:32:20,006 But, frankly speaking, now in many countries where gay 244 00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:24,710 propaganda is officially allowed, especially among 245 00:32:24,743 --> 00:32:28,847 minors, a number of that people is increasing. 246 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,317 This is like a disease. 247 00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:35,421 You can call cancer as -- you can call cancer to be a 248 00:32:35,454 --> 00:32:38,224 friend, you know, but cancer would kill you. 249 00:32:38,257 --> 00:32:40,459 And since they would kill the society, 250 00:32:40,492 --> 00:32:42,828 they will destroy the society, and I really... 251 00:32:42,861 --> 00:32:47,466 Like homosexuality is a cancer. 252 00:32:47,499 --> 00:32:48,867 Homosexuality is a virus, is a virus. 253 00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:52,404 Is a virus for society, is a virus for morality, 254 00:32:52,438 --> 00:32:56,642 and society which underlines the necessity to 255 00:32:56,675 --> 00:32:59,478 legalize sins is going down. 256 00:32:59,511 --> 00:33:03,882 We should remember the historical experience of 257 00:33:03,915 --> 00:33:07,719 very tolerant cities called Sodom and Gomorrah. 258 00:33:07,753 --> 00:33:11,357 They were so tolerant that God showed all his tolerance 259 00:33:11,390 --> 00:33:16,328 to this very modern at that time and very liberal cities 260 00:33:16,362 --> 00:33:19,265 with burning sulfurs going from the sky. 261 00:33:19,298 --> 00:33:22,634 And now, unfortunately, I'm sorry, but it's proven even 262 00:33:22,668 --> 00:33:26,038 by the scientists, that these cities were destroyed 263 00:33:26,072 --> 00:33:29,508 when they leave faith, country, family, church, 264 00:33:29,541 --> 00:33:32,511 is all basic values and it cannot be crushed. 265 00:34:39,445 --> 00:34:43,349 What is the value of homosexual living together? 266 00:34:43,382 --> 00:34:45,050 What is the -- what, what, 267 00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:47,186 what's the purpose of this living? 268 00:34:47,219 --> 00:34:48,954 I remember my father kissing my mother, 269 00:34:48,987 --> 00:34:50,589 which is natural, you know. 270 00:34:50,622 --> 00:34:54,760 And I don't want our Russian kid to be raised by two 271 00:34:54,793 --> 00:34:56,562 homosexuals kissing each other. 272 00:34:56,595 --> 00:34:58,364 But what's worse? 273 00:34:58,397 --> 00:34:59,165 Worse? 274 00:34:59,198 --> 00:35:00,031 What's worse? 275 00:35:00,065 --> 00:35:01,767 Yes. What is worse? 276 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,971 To grow in an orphanage or to be adopted 277 00:35:06,004 --> 00:35:07,473 by two mothers or two fathers? 278 00:35:07,506 --> 00:35:08,540 No! 279 00:35:08,574 --> 00:35:12,144 What -- how can you say two mothers? 280 00:35:12,178 --> 00:35:12,678 Mother is only... 281 00:35:12,711 --> 00:35:13,512 Two women. 282 00:35:13,545 --> 00:35:15,046 - Let's say two women. - Two women. 283 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,184 Two women living abnormal, sin away, no, of life. 284 00:35:18,217 --> 00:35:22,588 He said the Americans want us to allow -- to let them 285 00:35:22,621 --> 00:35:26,057 take kids out of Russian orphanages and bring them up 286 00:35:26,091 --> 00:35:28,227 in perverted families like masochists. 287 00:35:28,260 --> 00:35:32,598 When that kind of politician mentions you in that way... 288 00:35:32,631 --> 00:35:34,400 ...it's a direct threat. 289 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,802 So that was like a red flag. 290 00:35:36,835 --> 00:35:38,770 We're going to go after you. 291 00:35:38,804 --> 00:35:40,672 So I contacted an adoption lawyer. 292 00:35:40,706 --> 00:35:43,575 So I wrote him a letter and asked him whether he thought 293 00:35:43,609 --> 00:35:44,976 this was a threat. 294 00:35:45,010 --> 00:35:47,846 His response was, the answer to your question 295 00:35:47,879 --> 00:35:49,047 is at the airport. 296 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,484 Talk to Volva, tell him not to talk to strangers. 297 00:35:52,518 --> 00:35:55,954 If somebody tries to grab him, run. 298 00:35:55,987 --> 00:35:59,057 And the most important thing you can tell him is, run. 299 00:35:59,090 --> 00:36:03,061 And don't open the door to Social Services or to anybody. 300 00:36:03,094 --> 00:36:04,830 So we actually had to have a conversation 301 00:36:04,863 --> 00:36:06,164 specifically about that. 302 00:36:06,198 --> 00:36:09,935 I feel kind of scared because a lot of Russian 303 00:36:09,968 --> 00:36:12,904 people hate gays and they can do something to my 304 00:36:12,938 --> 00:36:15,474 family not really good. 305 00:36:15,507 --> 00:36:18,143 And the cops and all that stuff, they're 306 00:36:18,176 --> 00:36:20,111 -- all of them, they hate gays. 307 00:36:20,145 --> 00:36:22,481 And, yeah. 308 00:36:22,514 --> 00:36:23,849 You're worried about his new law? 309 00:36:23,882 --> 00:36:26,518 Yeah, because my fam... 310 00:36:26,552 --> 00:36:29,255 -- because I live in a family with gays. 311 00:36:29,288 --> 00:36:31,323 And they can do something bad to us. 312 00:36:31,357 --> 00:36:34,660 I like living in Russia because it's the place where I live. 313 00:36:34,693 --> 00:36:36,094 It's my home. 314 00:36:36,127 --> 00:36:39,465 And even there's, there's not a lot of good stuff 315 00:36:39,498 --> 00:36:43,469 going on here, but I like it because I live here. 316 00:36:43,502 --> 00:36:46,238 And I sometimes I get worried for my parents 317 00:36:46,272 --> 00:36:52,778 because a lot of -- some people, like, are against my mother. 318 00:36:53,479 --> 00:36:55,247 When they started passing laws on adoptions and saying 319 00:36:55,281 --> 00:36:59,485 that they're going to pass laws on -- I mean banning 320 00:36:59,518 --> 00:37:03,121 same-sex adoption -- adoption by same-sex couples, 321 00:37:03,154 --> 00:37:05,090 and saying that they will pass laws to take children away 322 00:37:05,123 --> 00:37:08,527 from same-sex families, it was difficult not to 323 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,628 take it personally. 324 00:37:09,661 --> 00:37:11,530 I mean, there isn't another out family in Russia. 325 00:37:11,563 --> 00:37:12,498 There just isn't. 326 00:37:12,531 --> 00:37:13,899 We're it. 327 00:37:13,932 --> 00:37:17,102 In social situations where people are saying that their 328 00:37:17,135 --> 00:37:22,107 family's weird, you're kind of thinking about what's 329 00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:27,479 happening with -- now I never, like, ever feel like 330 00:37:27,513 --> 00:37:29,781 why are they feeling like that. 331 00:37:29,815 --> 00:37:31,983 Do these laws, do they worry you? 332 00:37:32,518 --> 00:37:33,685 Yeah. 333 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,522 I'm kind of scared that something's going to happen 334 00:37:36,555 --> 00:37:45,297 but it's not like -- it's not in my mind like really 335 00:37:45,331 --> 00:37:49,568 bothering me because I don't believe that's real. 336 00:37:50,536 --> 00:37:53,839 There is a driving force behind this promotion of 337 00:37:53,872 --> 00:37:56,207 homophobia in the Russian Federation. 338 00:39:19,525 --> 00:39:22,828 There's a concerted hate-mongering campaign 339 00:39:22,861 --> 00:39:24,329 that's launched by the Kremlin, 340 00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:26,898 that's run by the Kremlin. 341 00:39:26,932 --> 00:39:30,335 It employs the entire propaganda machine. 342 00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:34,440 And this negative opinion is because of the lack of 343 00:39:34,473 --> 00:39:39,478 proper information and also because of the very strong 344 00:39:39,511 --> 00:39:42,814 propaganda of homophobia, which is now going on 345 00:39:42,848 --> 00:39:47,052 through State TV channels. 346 00:39:47,085 --> 00:39:52,223 So we can see in every week something 347 00:39:52,257 --> 00:39:55,461 terrible about LGBTs, something manipulated about 348 00:39:55,494 --> 00:39:58,329 how it's going in the West, 349 00:39:58,363 --> 00:40:02,267 and some -- it creates something like panic. 350 00:40:20,552 --> 00:40:22,854 You know, it's a war rhetoric. 351 00:40:22,888 --> 00:40:25,323 And at this -- it's this war rhetoric that makes it clear 352 00:40:25,356 --> 00:40:27,459 that the enemy's less than human. 353 00:40:27,493 --> 00:40:30,061 And the other part of war rhetoric that they have to 354 00:40:30,095 --> 00:40:33,465 employ is making sure that the enemy's very scary. 355 00:40:33,499 --> 00:40:35,534 So they also have to establish danger. 356 00:40:35,567 --> 00:40:39,838 It is very reminiscent of Nazi rhetoric in the 1930s 357 00:40:39,871 --> 00:40:43,942 where they also did this double thing, where Jews were 358 00:40:43,975 --> 00:40:48,446 portrayed as being dangerous to the Aryan race, 359 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,983 and as being less than human and undeserving of living in 360 00:40:52,017 --> 00:40:54,152 close quarters with Germans. 361 00:40:54,185 --> 00:40:58,123 Putin sees his constituency shrinking. 362 00:40:58,156 --> 00:41:01,793 He needs to consolidate his base. 363 00:41:01,827 --> 00:41:04,563 In order to consolidate his base he needs to, again, 364 00:41:04,596 --> 00:41:06,798 show that there's an enemy. 365 00:41:06,832 --> 00:41:11,102 He truly, really believes that protests are inspired 366 00:41:11,136 --> 00:41:15,507 from abroad, that it is the other, and nobody represents 367 00:41:15,541 --> 00:41:17,509 the other better than gays and lesbians. 368 00:41:17,543 --> 00:41:20,178 Most Russians continue to believe -- I mean, the 369 00:41:20,211 --> 00:41:22,113 absolute vast majority of Russians continue to believe 370 00:41:22,147 --> 00:41:24,349 that they've never met a gay person in their lives. 371 00:41:37,195 --> 00:41:40,131 People perceive that the enemy is someone abstract, 372 00:41:40,165 --> 00:41:41,533 not as someone that they know. 373 00:41:41,567 --> 00:41:43,301 That creates a dangerous situation because that 374 00:41:43,334 --> 00:41:45,904 creates a situation where scapegoating is very, 375 00:41:45,937 --> 00:41:48,874 very easy, and hate-mongering is very, very easy. 376 00:41:48,907 --> 00:41:52,811 For Putin specifically, the goal is find a population 377 00:41:52,844 --> 00:41:54,245 that he can intimidate. 378 00:41:54,279 --> 00:41:57,148 It's laughable that Putin cares about children 379 00:41:57,182 --> 00:41:59,951 let alone the education of children. 380 00:41:59,985 --> 00:42:05,056 Putin is hell-bent on doing one thing -- staying in power. 381 00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:08,226 And in order to stay in power he needs to suffocate 382 00:42:08,259 --> 00:42:13,464 civil society, shut down freedom of expression, 383 00:42:13,498 --> 00:42:21,840 and in the case of this law, the slow, but noticeable 384 00:42:21,873 --> 00:42:25,677 slowdown in the economy and people's upset, 385 00:42:25,711 --> 00:42:27,779 he needs to find something to blame. 386 00:42:27,813 --> 00:42:29,280 What's he going to focus on? 387 00:42:29,314 --> 00:42:31,583 The weakest, who he sees as the weakest, 388 00:42:31,617 --> 00:42:33,251 the ones who are not going to rise up. 389 00:42:33,284 --> 00:42:35,086 Gays are a very fresh target. 390 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,824 They're like low-hanging fruit, if you will. 391 00:43:01,747 --> 00:43:06,785 Every moment that this law and the homosexism, 392 00:43:06,818 --> 00:43:09,487 homophobia, education, children, is discussed, 393 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,058 is a moment that is not focused on Putin's looting the 394 00:43:13,091 --> 00:43:16,527 country and the abhorrent human rights violations 395 00:43:16,561 --> 00:43:19,765 occurring all across Russia as it descends further and 396 00:43:19,798 --> 00:43:21,800 further into a dictatorship. 397 00:43:21,833 --> 00:43:26,672 He pretend that Russian demography problems is in 398 00:43:26,705 --> 00:43:32,711 gays, not in low level of life, not about 399 00:43:32,744 --> 00:43:35,714 -- it's impossible to buy your own flat 400 00:43:35,747 --> 00:43:38,416 if you are a young person. 401 00:43:38,449 --> 00:43:43,321 I think, yes, gays, gays is easy enough... All shit. 402 00:43:43,354 --> 00:43:47,826 One is to judge people, not just on what they say, 403 00:43:47,859 --> 00:43:49,360 but on what they do. 404 00:43:49,394 --> 00:43:52,463 And in the case of Putin, every time he says he's going 405 00:43:52,497 --> 00:43:55,333 to do something, he usually doesn't do it. 406 00:43:55,366 --> 00:43:58,469 If he is to say that the gays are going 407 00:43:58,503 --> 00:43:59,905 to be okay, it's simple. 408 00:43:59,938 --> 00:44:01,973 Let's actually look at footage. 409 00:44:05,076 --> 00:44:09,881 [screaming] 410 00:44:11,082 --> 00:44:12,884 Certain people are going to be second-class citizens. 411 00:44:12,918 --> 00:44:14,686 Certain people are not going to be allowed to be who they 412 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:16,688 are or who they choose to be. 413 00:44:16,722 --> 00:44:20,892 What you end up with is a circumstance where they -- 414 00:44:20,926 --> 00:44:23,028 the other people are going to start beating them up. 415 00:44:29,634 --> 00:44:31,669 The amount of private violence that occurs in 416 00:44:31,703 --> 00:44:35,473 Russia today against gay youth, it's -- I mean, 417 00:44:35,506 --> 00:44:37,308 you have to be blind not to see it. 418 00:44:37,342 --> 00:44:39,110 Sometimes people put up personal ads, 419 00:44:39,144 --> 00:44:41,579 no different than personal ads that heterosexual couples 420 00:44:41,612 --> 00:44:45,116 meet through, and someone will show up 421 00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:47,152 or will meet and suddenly they'll be picked 422 00:44:47,185 --> 00:44:52,190 up and kidnapped for four or five, six hours, 423 00:44:52,223 --> 00:44:54,726 and beaten up and essentially tortured. 424 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,594 And the government does nothing about this. 425 00:44:59,130 --> 00:45:00,498 [Newscaster]: Later, just down the road from the Parliament, 426 00:45:00,531 --> 00:45:02,633 gay-rights campaigners were attacked 427 00:45:02,667 --> 00:45:04,770 [background shouting]. 428 00:45:05,536 --> 00:45:07,806 Only a few days ago, President Putin had called 429 00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:10,742 for more tolerance in Russia and less aggression. 430 00:45:12,543 --> 00:45:16,748 It's such a vulgar exercise in petty nationalism 431 00:45:16,782 --> 00:45:19,317 from a leader who clearly sees himself as 432 00:45:19,350 --> 00:45:21,352 lacking some kind of machismo. 433 00:45:21,386 --> 00:45:23,721 Especially if you've lived here all your life, 434 00:45:23,755 --> 00:45:26,557 it's unusual for you not to have been gay-bashed. 435 00:45:28,126 --> 00:45:31,429 Near the center, near the Kremlin, a gay bar, 436 00:45:31,462 --> 00:45:32,798 and I got in a taxi... 437 00:45:36,134 --> 00:45:39,037 ...the taxi driver drove me somewhere. 438 00:45:42,874 --> 00:45:45,911 When I got out of the car someone hit be around the 439 00:45:45,944 --> 00:45:47,946 back of the head with a baseball bat. 440 00:45:50,215 --> 00:45:52,083 They beat me up quite badly 441 00:45:52,117 --> 00:45:54,019 and I was in the hospital for some time. 442 00:46:08,666 --> 00:46:10,168 And all they seemed to want to do was get me 443 00:46:10,201 --> 00:46:13,004 to sign a few documents saying that 444 00:46:13,038 --> 00:46:14,973 I don't want the police to investigate. 445 00:46:15,006 --> 00:46:16,574 I want to forget all about this. 446 00:46:16,607 --> 00:46:19,277 And they wanted me out the door and to go home. 447 00:47:23,741 --> 00:47:26,844 When I was trying to engage with someone through the 448 00:47:26,878 --> 00:47:31,049 website, we had decided to meet and I was trying a 449 00:47:31,082 --> 00:47:35,486 place to be as public as possible so it was a square 450 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,255 in the middle of the city. 451 00:47:37,288 --> 00:47:42,327 And when I showed up three guys came to me 452 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,729 and they asked my name. 453 00:47:44,762 --> 00:47:45,897 I said yes. 454 00:47:45,931 --> 00:47:47,732 And they started beating me. 455 00:47:47,765 --> 00:47:49,267 So it was a trap. 456 00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:53,905 It was kind of trap when they teach gays, 457 00:47:53,939 --> 00:47:56,241 when they fix gays, when they correct gays. 458 00:47:56,274 --> 00:48:00,678 And police saw that and they didn't do anything about it. 459 00:48:00,711 --> 00:48:03,681 And, yeah, I was pretty damaged. 460 00:48:03,714 --> 00:48:05,716 It was hard to walk. 461 00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:08,719 It was hard to move. 462 00:48:54,132 --> 00:48:58,203 Teenagers, gay teenagers, commit more suicides than 463 00:48:58,236 --> 00:49:03,541 anybody, any other, any other groups. 464 00:49:03,574 --> 00:49:05,977 And this is happening because they have no hope. 465 00:49:06,011 --> 00:49:07,545 They don't know what's happening to them. 466 00:49:07,578 --> 00:49:09,347 I know this "chewing gum" about the committing 467 00:49:09,380 --> 00:49:12,950 of suicide by gay youngsters... 468 00:49:12,984 --> 00:49:14,352 But then, what do you mean propaganda? This is fact. 469 00:49:14,385 --> 00:49:16,354 This is - this is not a fact. 470 00:49:16,387 --> 00:49:17,388 The fact is that... 471 00:49:17,422 --> 00:49:18,356 That gay young people do not commit suicide? 472 00:49:18,389 --> 00:49:20,858 No. Don't tell them -- call them gay or not. 473 00:49:20,891 --> 00:49:24,562 A young person, a young individual, has unbalanced, 474 00:49:24,595 --> 00:49:29,434 unbalanced psychology, psychological state. 475 00:49:30,035 --> 00:49:36,041 He's trying to realize himself and he is trying to, 476 00:49:36,074 --> 00:49:39,777 trying even different deviations to find himself. 477 00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:43,181 And he feels himself so uncomfortable that he refuse 478 00:49:43,214 --> 00:49:48,753 from a normal life and he's becoming to be a homosexual. 479 00:49:48,786 --> 00:49:55,293 And -- but this cannot stop him from moving down. 480 00:49:56,327 --> 00:49:59,797 And for us Christians, the answer is absolutely clear. 481 00:49:59,830 --> 00:50:04,769 In case a person follows the words of demons, 482 00:50:04,802 --> 00:50:07,905 you know, this person goes to the demons. 483 00:50:07,938 --> 00:50:12,643 ** 484 00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:42,052 Now the society started speaking about this. 485 00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:50,287 [Crowd cheering] 486 00:54:51,489 --> 00:54:54,091 Do you feel that you have been effective? 487 00:55:07,137 --> 00:55:09,707 [Crowd chanting]. 488 00:57:02,286 --> 00:57:05,055 I just decide to go to Parliament 489 00:57:05,089 --> 00:57:07,892 and kiss my girl there. 490 00:57:07,925 --> 00:57:09,794 [Newscaster]: She's also a gay rights activist 491 00:57:09,827 --> 00:57:13,998 who created a protest called Kiss Day. 492 00:57:14,665 --> 00:57:20,204 I wrote Boston Journal and say any people who want to 493 00:57:20,237 --> 00:57:23,007 go with me they can. 494 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,876 So even one person they can hug anybody. 495 00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:27,478 I can hug them, too. 496 00:57:27,512 --> 00:57:35,620 I just wanted to make some nice and nice form of protest. 497 00:57:35,653 --> 00:57:44,294 First time it was like 10 people there, not 10, 15. 498 00:57:44,328 --> 00:57:47,998 And second time it was 25,30 people. 499 00:57:48,032 --> 00:57:53,003 And third time it was like 30 people again. 500 00:57:53,037 --> 00:57:55,472 [Newscaster]: What began as public kissing ended 501 00:57:55,506 --> 00:57:59,043 in public violence as the protestors came under attack 502 00:57:59,076 --> 00:58:01,111 from homophobic Muscovites. 503 00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:03,714 ** 504 00:58:05,282 --> 00:58:08,185 [Commotion] 505 00:58:11,689 --> 00:58:16,927 And then I wrote another journal that, 506 00:58:16,961 --> 00:58:19,096 okay, two my friends have broke once broken bones 507 00:58:19,129 --> 00:58:25,670 and my girlfriend was attacked and she has some brain trauma, 508 00:58:25,703 --> 00:58:30,440 so I cannot ask you to come with me again. 509 00:58:30,474 --> 00:58:36,113 But I write -- but I say that I will be there again, 510 00:58:36,146 --> 00:58:41,652 be in Parliament, because then we're going to discuss this law. 511 00:58:41,686 --> 00:58:44,288 So I was there and people who are ready to be there, 512 00:58:44,321 --> 00:58:46,456 be there, too. 513 00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:52,529 And people came again and it was wonderful because I saw 514 00:58:52,563 --> 00:58:59,103 some people, some strong young men and women and they 515 00:58:59,136 --> 00:59:05,710 just make like a chain and they stand between us 516 00:59:05,743 --> 00:59:10,147 and these crazy Orthodox people. 517 00:59:10,180 --> 00:59:12,549 And they did in fact arrest us. 518 00:59:13,150 --> 00:59:15,019 I never saw anything like this. 519 00:59:15,052 --> 00:59:18,956 But police decide to arrest us first, and they arrest us 520 00:59:18,989 --> 00:59:25,395 very soon then they put us in police station 521 00:59:25,429 --> 00:59:30,768 and there they beat me a little bit. 522 00:59:30,801 --> 00:59:34,705 I mean policemans because they know I'm like kind of 523 00:59:34,739 --> 00:59:39,176 leader of this kissing protest and they want me to stop. 524 00:59:39,209 --> 00:59:42,713 Are those actions that you go for, are they effective? 525 00:59:42,747 --> 00:59:44,348 Do they change anything? 526 00:59:45,149 --> 00:59:46,516 No. 527 00:59:46,550 --> 00:59:48,118 Why did you keep going? 528 00:59:48,152 --> 00:59:49,954 Because I don't want to sit at home. 529 00:59:49,987 --> 00:59:52,222 Then they change my life. 530 00:59:53,357 --> 00:59:57,361 ** 531 00:59:58,162 --> 01:00:00,497 Me and my friends, we make website... 532 01:00:00,530 --> 01:00:02,432 We just ask people, if you want to say something about 533 01:00:02,466 --> 01:00:06,003 this law to our deputies in Parliament, you can send us 534 01:00:06,036 --> 01:00:10,240 your photo and your text, and we will publish it on 535 01:00:10,274 --> 01:00:13,210 this site and then we will bring these photos 536 01:00:13,243 --> 01:00:20,617 and bring us to Parliament. 537 01:00:20,651 --> 01:00:22,186 And we did it. 538 01:00:22,219 --> 01:00:27,091 And now it's more than 1,000 photos there. 539 01:00:27,892 --> 01:00:35,800 ** 540 01:00:37,134 --> 01:00:40,270 And people with open faces tells about the gays and 541 01:00:40,304 --> 01:00:43,841 lesbians and the parents of gays and lesbians, 542 01:00:43,874 --> 01:00:47,211 or they're straight, they say what they hate, haters. 543 01:00:48,478 --> 01:00:53,183 ** 544 01:00:53,217 --> 01:00:54,885 I know that it's my country. 545 01:00:54,919 --> 01:00:57,988 It's actually my... So I have to fight. 546 01:00:58,022 --> 01:01:03,293 I don't have any [laughs] choice actually. 547 01:01:04,094 --> 01:01:05,830 Do you think that gay people should leave, 548 01:01:05,863 --> 01:01:07,932 LGBT people should leave the country? 549 01:01:34,258 --> 01:01:36,326 Gay people should leave. 550 01:04:04,408 --> 01:04:07,611 ** 551 01:04:09,980 --> 01:04:11,681 The biggest fear is having my kids taken away. 552 01:04:11,715 --> 01:04:15,085 I mean, to be honest, I've been writing the story for 553 01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:16,620 more than 20 years. 554 01:04:16,653 --> 01:04:19,689 And I'd stick around just to see how it unfurls. 555 01:04:19,723 --> 01:04:22,392 It's -- I mean, I think this is the agony. 556 01:04:22,426 --> 01:04:27,597 I think things are going to get a lot worse before it's over. 557 01:04:27,631 --> 01:04:32,869 I would love to write it but -- and so, I -- if it were a 558 01:04:32,903 --> 01:04:35,405 question of only my personal safety I'd stay. 559 01:04:35,439 --> 01:04:39,209 When Mizulina, the head of the Committee on the Family 560 01:04:39,243 --> 01:04:41,411 in the Parliament said, we're going to create a 561 01:04:41,445 --> 01:04:43,613 mechanism, a legal mechanism for removing children 562 01:04:43,647 --> 01:04:46,016 from same-sex families, that clinched it. 563 01:04:46,951 --> 01:04:49,086 I didn't even feel like I could stick around 564 01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:52,089 and wait to see if they actually passed those laws. 565 01:04:52,122 --> 01:04:53,890 The Russian Government does not have any secrets. 566 01:04:53,924 --> 01:04:56,226 The Russian Government tells you exactly what it's going 567 01:04:56,260 --> 01:04:58,595 to do and then it goes ahead and does it. 568 01:04:58,628 --> 01:05:00,597 And they've told us that they're going to take 569 01:05:00,630 --> 01:05:02,666 children away from same-sex families 570 01:05:02,699 --> 01:05:05,002 and they're going to do it. 571 01:05:05,035 --> 01:05:07,404 The question, you know, before this international 572 01:05:07,437 --> 01:05:11,641 campaign is, are they going to do it in a month, two months? 573 01:05:11,675 --> 01:05:13,043 Will they wait a year? 574 01:05:13,077 --> 01:05:14,811 My daughter was at summer camp, summer school, 575 01:05:14,844 --> 01:05:16,880 in the states so I came to visit her. 576 01:05:16,913 --> 01:05:18,515 And we were having dinner and I said, 577 01:05:18,548 --> 01:05:21,518 I think we're going to leave. 578 01:05:21,551 --> 01:05:23,420 And she just broke down crying. 579 01:05:23,453 --> 01:05:26,456 She said, I don't understand how it can 580 01:05:26,490 --> 01:05:30,427 be so dangerous when it doesn't feel dangerous. 581 01:05:30,460 --> 01:05:32,662 And I said, oh, well, as a former war reporter, 582 01:05:32,696 --> 01:05:33,763 I can explain this to you. 583 01:05:33,797 --> 01:05:37,234 This is the weirdest thing about war is that you, 584 01:05:37,267 --> 01:05:40,270 you know, you walk away from the front line and there are 585 01:05:40,304 --> 01:05:43,773 like cafes and restaurants and you have fun, 586 01:05:43,807 --> 01:05:45,642 and then you go and look at the shooting 587 01:05:45,675 --> 01:05:47,111 or take part in the shooting, again. 588 01:05:47,144 --> 01:05:48,245 And that's just how it works. 589 01:05:48,278 --> 01:05:49,579 And it's really dangerous. 590 01:05:49,613 --> 01:05:53,683 One day you realize that you have to do something about 591 01:05:53,717 --> 01:06:00,357 that and you're trying to find the ways you can be active. 592 01:06:00,390 --> 01:06:03,527 You can try other ways, you can do something about it, 593 01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,695 not only for yourself but for the others as well. 594 01:06:05,729 --> 01:06:12,002 I was looking for the way to participate through any 595 01:06:12,036 --> 01:06:17,574 pride activities, so I just showed up at the place 596 01:06:17,607 --> 01:06:18,742 and police came. 597 01:06:18,775 --> 01:06:20,977 It was more police than activists 598 01:06:21,011 --> 01:06:23,580 and some of them were arrested. 599 01:06:23,613 --> 01:06:27,151 Some of them were beaten up. 600 01:06:27,751 --> 01:06:30,020 I was among them. 601 01:06:30,620 --> 01:06:32,556 Next question. 602 01:06:33,823 --> 01:06:35,125 Next question. 603 01:06:36,593 --> 01:06:40,497 They grabbed a few people and, I guess, those who were 604 01:06:40,530 --> 01:06:48,605 more active, and others they just left laying on the 605 01:06:48,638 --> 01:06:52,809 ground after they used tasers and sticks. 606 01:06:52,842 --> 01:06:54,211 I guess the right word is batons. 607 01:06:54,244 --> 01:06:56,546 I was bleeding. 608 01:06:59,649 --> 01:07:01,351 I was dirty. 609 01:07:01,851 --> 01:07:08,125 So, yeah, I took some time to get rid of the blood 610 01:07:08,158 --> 01:07:10,527 and get clean again. 611 01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,797 So it was pretty bad. 612 01:07:13,830 --> 01:07:18,335 I decided to leave Russia when I was 25, 613 01:07:18,368 --> 01:07:21,771 and by that time I won a scholarship at 614 01:07:21,805 --> 01:07:23,006 New York Film Academy. 615 01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:25,109 And that was my ticket. 616 01:07:25,142 --> 01:07:28,745 And when I came here in July in 2010, 617 01:07:28,778 --> 01:07:30,747 I immediately applied for asylum. 618 01:07:30,780 --> 01:07:33,583 A significant number of males and females that I've 619 01:07:33,617 --> 01:07:36,386 met in the United States have come as asylum seekers 620 01:07:36,420 --> 01:07:39,956 due to the discrimination against gays and lesbians. 621 01:07:39,989 --> 01:07:42,892 Now this has been going on for decades. 622 01:07:42,926 --> 01:07:44,594 This is not something new. 623 01:07:44,628 --> 01:07:46,396 So should they get asylum? 624 01:07:46,430 --> 01:07:48,798 I don't see why not. 625 01:07:49,666 --> 01:07:55,605 I saw movies about like gay life in New York. 626 01:07:55,639 --> 01:07:58,408 I just didn't have money to go. 627 01:07:58,875 --> 01:08:00,477 I saved it. 628 01:08:00,510 --> 01:08:08,185 And one day I was beat up and it was like in smoke. 629 01:08:08,218 --> 01:08:10,287 I like... 630 01:08:15,425 --> 01:08:20,630 I thought this the moment like they kill me. 631 01:08:21,431 --> 01:08:23,433 I decided to leave. 632 01:08:23,467 --> 01:08:26,236 I just -- I bought tickets and left. 633 01:08:26,270 --> 01:08:29,206 So, basically, in August I was already at Immigration Equality 634 01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:35,245 door knocking and telling them my stories, 635 01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:37,714 how they took me, they found me the lawyers. 636 01:08:37,747 --> 01:08:43,720 I got my lawyers from Immigration Equality. 637 01:08:43,753 --> 01:08:48,658 They gave me lawyers for free. 638 01:08:48,692 --> 01:08:51,328 And now I'm waiting just for interview. 639 01:08:51,361 --> 01:08:56,266 They just go through your story and they ask you the 640 01:08:56,300 --> 01:08:59,035 questions about your story so they can see, 641 01:08:59,068 --> 01:09:01,238 they can feel that you are telling the truth. 642 01:09:01,271 --> 01:09:05,675 The case consisted of the incidents, 643 01:09:05,709 --> 01:09:08,845 what happened to me because I was gay. 644 01:09:08,878 --> 01:09:11,515 Going through that case was going through... 645 01:09:11,548 --> 01:09:14,518 For my life, which I never did before 646 01:09:14,551 --> 01:09:18,655 and I don't think I'm going to do again, ever. 647 01:09:18,688 --> 01:09:24,694 If I don't get it, I don't know what I will do. 648 01:09:24,728 --> 01:09:27,264 I got asylum right on the interview. 649 01:09:27,297 --> 01:09:29,098 I mean, after the interview. 650 01:09:29,132 --> 01:09:30,934 You are waiting now for asylum, right? 651 01:09:30,967 --> 01:09:32,469 Yes, I'm waiting for asylum. 652 01:09:32,502 --> 01:09:36,773 I was just trying to get an asylum in the country just 653 01:09:36,806 --> 01:09:38,975 as far from Russia as possible. 654 01:09:39,543 --> 01:09:44,248 I miss my mom and my grandmother because my 655 01:09:44,281 --> 01:09:54,791 grandmother now she is sick and I really miss her. 656 01:09:54,824 --> 01:09:56,660 And I hope my mom will come 657 01:09:56,693 --> 01:09:59,696 and visiting me when I get asylum. 658 01:10:00,364 --> 01:10:02,299 Do you think you will see your grandmother? 659 01:10:02,332 --> 01:10:03,733 I believe. 660 01:10:04,968 --> 01:10:09,739 When I came to New York I was very surprised 661 01:10:09,773 --> 01:10:13,009 by people holding their hands. 662 01:10:13,042 --> 01:10:18,515 I mean, two men, by gays holding hands on the streets. 663 01:10:18,548 --> 01:10:21,551 Do you hold hands in school? 664 01:10:21,585 --> 01:10:26,523 I don't -- when I first fell in love -- I just can't 665 01:10:26,556 --> 01:10:31,361 imagine the life living without holding -- I want -- sorry. 666 01:10:44,007 --> 01:10:49,779 I feel here for 100% like this is, this is me. 667 01:10:49,813 --> 01:10:51,180 I'm here. 668 01:10:51,214 --> 01:10:54,751 Like I waited for this moment to be happy, 669 01:10:54,784 --> 01:10:57,387 to be who I am, all my life. 670 01:10:57,421 --> 01:10:59,989 I'm sure I became a better person. 671 01:11:00,023 --> 01:11:03,960 I became more empathetic because when you are totally 672 01:11:03,993 --> 01:11:06,162 open, when you have nothing to hide, when you have 673 01:11:06,195 --> 01:11:12,569 nothing to lie about, it's much easier to live. 674 01:11:12,602 --> 01:11:13,903 It's much easier to exist. 675 01:11:13,937 --> 01:11:17,173 Three years in New York were the happiest in my life. 676 01:11:17,206 --> 01:11:20,209 It all relates to being gay. 677 01:11:20,243 --> 01:11:26,383 As a gay, I am much more happier than ever, 678 01:11:26,416 --> 01:11:28,618 then I could ever imagine. 679 01:11:29,085 --> 01:11:33,089 ** 680 01:12:06,089 --> 01:12:09,325 I think we will have this anti-discrimination law 681 01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:12,996 for LGBTs and we will be a social group. 682 01:12:13,029 --> 01:12:15,632 I have hope on the civil society. 683 01:12:15,665 --> 01:12:16,866 Right. 684 01:12:16,900 --> 01:12:21,137 That we are strong enough and we will do it. 685 01:12:54,738 --> 01:12:57,774 If you'd asked a European that 45 to 50 years ago, 686 01:12:57,807 --> 01:13:00,309 if they ever thought gay marriage would be a 687 01:13:00,343 --> 01:13:03,312 possibility in Europe, I think they would have almost 688 01:13:03,346 --> 01:13:05,114 laughed at you and said, of course, not. 689 01:13:08,585 --> 01:13:12,889 I don't think it's going to happen in Russia in my lifetime, 690 01:13:12,922 --> 01:13:14,491 but I do think and hope that 691 01:13:14,524 --> 01:13:16,560 one day it will become a reality. 692 01:13:16,593 --> 01:13:21,130 I think gay marriages will never be allowed in Russia, 693 01:13:21,164 --> 01:13:22,932 at least for my generation. 694 01:13:30,339 --> 01:13:32,976 It's not a question of the Russian LGBT movement, 695 01:13:33,009 --> 01:13:34,544 it's a question of the Putin regime. 696 01:13:34,578 --> 01:13:37,146 Things will be a lot worse the longer it goes on. 697 01:14:20,624 --> 01:14:25,428 We can change people mind actually, but if we 698 01:14:25,461 --> 01:14:28,965 -- if we will have right to speak, you know? 699 01:14:28,998 --> 01:14:31,334 But now they want to close this right for us. 700 01:14:31,367 --> 01:14:33,737 It's up to every person who actually believes in human 701 01:14:33,770 --> 01:14:37,406 dignity because at the end of the day it's about this 702 01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:39,342 is wrong, and we should all stand for it. 703 01:14:39,375 --> 01:14:44,347 If the death of the regime comes relatively soon, 704 01:14:44,380 --> 01:14:47,851 I think this horrible fear that we're living through 705 01:14:47,884 --> 01:14:52,488 right now will actually have served to unite and mobilize 706 01:14:52,522 --> 01:14:53,657 and strengthen the movement. 707 01:14:53,690 --> 01:14:56,159 But if it goes on for any length of time, more than a 708 01:14:56,192 --> 01:15:00,897 couple of years, then I think it will be scorched earth. 709 01:15:00,930 --> 01:15:02,198 Most people think they have to have a big vision. 710 01:15:02,231 --> 01:15:03,867 No, think small. 711 01:15:03,900 --> 01:15:06,169 And some people are simply putting little, little, 712 01:15:06,202 --> 01:15:08,605 little cards and they're writing a message and 713 01:15:08,638 --> 01:15:09,973 they're putting it on their Facebook, 714 01:15:10,006 --> 01:15:11,675 and then they're sending it to people in Russia. 715 01:15:11,708 --> 01:15:13,076 That's something you can do. 716 01:15:13,109 --> 01:15:16,379 That you're, you know, a 14-year-old girl somewhere 717 01:15:16,412 --> 01:15:21,250 in mid-Ohio that cares about this, or your son, your son, 718 01:15:21,284 --> 01:15:25,655 young man in Belfast who is interested and is watching them. 719 01:15:25,689 --> 01:15:27,824 Write to the Russian Embassy locally. 720 01:15:27,857 --> 01:15:29,425 Protest outside the Russian Embassy 721 01:15:29,458 --> 01:15:30,927 even if it's only for a day. 722 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,262 Write a letter to your Congressman. 723 01:15:33,296 --> 01:15:34,598 Talk about this at your school. 724 01:15:34,631 --> 01:15:37,834 Show this documentary to other people. 725 01:15:37,867 --> 01:15:41,304 Have them wake up and participate and get involved. 726 01:15:41,337 --> 01:15:43,006 Ideas have consequences. 727 01:15:43,039 --> 01:15:46,442 And when you don't put good ideas to work and you don't 728 01:15:46,475 --> 01:15:49,679 start spreading good ideas, then bad ideas take hold in 729 01:15:49,713 --> 01:15:51,815 that vacuum that's created. 730 01:16:13,937 --> 01:16:17,073 You're absolutely wrong if your view is that, 731 01:16:17,106 --> 01:16:20,677 well, 86% of Russians are against gay 732 01:16:20,710 --> 01:16:22,946 rights or rather in favor of this law. 733 01:16:22,979 --> 01:16:24,881 So we should just give up. 734 01:16:24,914 --> 01:16:27,884 What happens if 90% of Russians believe that Jews 735 01:16:27,917 --> 01:16:31,054 should be executed or that Muslims should be executed? 736 01:16:31,087 --> 01:16:32,555 Does that mean we should execute Muslims? 737 01:16:32,588 --> 01:16:33,522 No. 738 01:16:33,556 --> 01:16:36,893 The state exists to safeguard the rights of 739 01:16:36,926 --> 01:16:40,163 minorities and that includes gay minorities; 740 01:16:40,196 --> 01:16:41,931 that includes sexual minorities. 741 01:16:41,965 --> 01:16:43,667 You know, that includes women who decide to live 742 01:16:43,700 --> 01:16:45,468 with women and have children. 743 01:16:45,501 --> 01:16:48,972 They should have equal protection under law. 744 01:16:49,005 --> 01:16:51,741 And until they have that, Russia will not be a free 745 01:16:51,775 --> 01:16:53,509 country for everyone. 746 01:17:19,836 --> 01:17:22,105 And what would be your advice for Russian, 747 01:17:22,138 --> 01:17:25,608 for Russian heterosexuals? 748 01:17:25,641 --> 01:17:33,316 Let new issues go into your mind and don't have fears. 749 01:17:33,349 --> 01:17:35,752 When you accept homosexuals, 750 01:17:35,785 --> 01:17:38,722 you accept more freedom for yourself. 751 01:17:38,755 --> 01:17:40,824 It enrich you. 752 01:17:42,759 --> 01:17:44,761 ** 753 01:18:45,588 --> 01:18:48,591 ** 60109

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