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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:11,399 Even coming in here... someone sees me coming in or out of this place... 2 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,159 We understand. This is a risk for me. Yes. A big risk. 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,639 Don't worry, there's a way out at the back, I'll show you later. 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,319 You have information on Edward Chapman's murder... Eddie. Yeah. 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,759 Go on. It wasn't another club. 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,959 That's what you all think, isn't it? Like a gang war or something. 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,879 It's what you lot always think, saves you having to dust off your thinking caps. 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,239 The dartford lot. That's who the braves think did it. 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,439 Or that's what they told Reese. Reese? 10 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,999 Reese Chapman. Eddie's son. Two years in April, me and Reese. 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,119 And this Reese is a member of the braves, is he? He's a prospect. 12 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,159 Like a trial member. 13 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:52,239 Eddie was a founder, so Reese has been around that lot 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,519 since he was a kid. He's been a prospect for two years. 15 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,999 He held on even after Eddie died, thinks he's making his dad proud... 16 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,840 And his mum. 17 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,319 A week tomorrow, he becomes a full member. 18 00:01:05,320 --> 00:01:10,439 Initiation. Initiation. Yeah, motorcycle clubs. The initiation for new members. 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,319 So what does Reese have to do? 20 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:15,679 He's got to avenge his dad by killing one of the gang who did it. 21 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,119 Except they didn't. It was Marcus York, the president of the braves. 22 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,920 He killed Eddie. How do you know that? I know. 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,999 Eddie Chapman's murder was unsolved, there were no witnesses, 24 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,079 no physical evidence. We can look at the case again if you have any new evidence... 25 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,239 I'm sitting here and I'm telling you, in a week's time, 26 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,639 my boyfriend is going to commit murder. 27 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,160 Now, I can't stop him doing that, but you can. 28 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,959 ♪ It's all right, it's ok 29 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:46,639 ♪ doesn't really matter if you're old and grey 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,439 ♪ it's all right, I say it's ok 31 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,239 ♪ listen to what I say 32 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,999 ♪ it's all right, doing fine 33 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,479 ♪ doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine 34 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,439 ♪ it's all right, I say it's ok 35 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,400 ♪ we're getting to the end of the day. ♪ 36 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,039 Karen and Marcus aren't meant to have started their thing until Eddie was killed. 37 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,639 But I saw them before, in a hotel. 38 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:13,559 If it was happening then... Whoa, whoa. 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,879 You've lost us already. Just slow down and start from the beginning. 40 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,519 Can I smoke in here? 41 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,760 No. Sadly. 42 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:29,559 Ok, so Eddie Chapman and Marcus York were best mates from the year dot. 43 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,479 Eddie left school and joined the army and while he was away, 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,999 Marcus got himself in some kind of trouble and ended up inside. 45 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,799 Yeah, wounding with intent. Did five years. 46 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,279 Marcus got out and Eddie came home 47 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,159 and that's when they set up the braves. This is about 25 years ago. 48 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,479 Around the same time, Eddie married Karen and they were together up until Eddie died. 49 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,239 Reese is their only kid. Your boyfriend? Yeah. 50 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,319 So now Karen Chapman and Marcus York are together 51 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,999 and supposedly this happened after Eddie was killed. 52 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,879 Marcus was consoling her and it turned into something else. 53 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,799 But you think they were having an affair while Eddie was still alive? I saw them. 54 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,919 About a month before Eddie died, I was visiting some friends one evening 55 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:15,759 who were over from New Zealand. Anyway, we've had a few drinks in the hotel bar 56 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,999 and we get a couple of bottles to take up to their room because you could smoke up there. 57 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,999 I must have left about one in the morning, I reckon. 58 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,879 As I'm coming out of the room, I hear another door open 59 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,199 further down the corridor and Karen Chapman and Marcus York come out, 60 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,799 all giggly and flirty, you know, like kids. 61 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,199 And it doesn't take much imagination to... did they see you? 62 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,639 No. You sure? Well, they were going the other way 63 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,279 and I ducked back into the room as soon as I saw them. 64 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,119 And did you tell anyone? No. 65 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,359 No! Look if it got out that I even saw them, 66 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,279 let alone told anyone about it... 67 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,439 Those are not two people you want to get on the wrong side of. 68 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,159 Even assuming there isn't another explanation for what you saw, 69 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,799 it hardly constitutes evidence in a murder inquiry. 70 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,159 It's motive. Stephanie, Eddie Chapman was founder member 71 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,559 of one of the most vicious motorcycle clubs in the UK. 72 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,039 We're really not short of motives for his murder. 73 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,439 I saw him on the night he died. 74 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:13,599 He'd been in Rotterdam for a few days, sorting out a shipment of bike parts, 75 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,519 and he'd just got back that afternoon. He came over looking for Reese, 76 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,639 but Reese was at some party and wasn't answering his phone. 77 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,519 Eddie was in a terrible state. 78 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,279 Really wound up about something, but he wouldn't tell me what it was. 79 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:30,519 He kept muttering about loyalty and betrayal. 80 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,199 He knew. 81 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,439 I'm sure he just found out about Karen and Marcus. 82 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,999 I tried to get him to calm down and talk to me, 83 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,359 but he'd been drinking and he couldn't settle. 84 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,519 I told him he should sit down and wait for Reese to call him back, 85 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,160 but he was out the door again a few minutes later. 86 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,560 And that was it. An hour later, they reckon, was when he died. 87 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:57,879 And that's it? Yeah. 88 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,679 He didn't tell you where he'd come from, or where he was going? No. 89 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,559 Did he make any reference to his wife having an affair apart from 90 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,840 all that stuff about loyalty and betrayal? No. 91 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,599 I've wasted my time. No, we'll look at the files again. Yeah. 92 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,319 Without something specific... You said there was a back way out of here? Yeah. 93 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,040 We will look at the files. I need a cigarette. 94 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,279 I think my dad knows what happened. 95 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:37,520 If he gets even a whiff that this comes from me... 96 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,439 David parr. 97 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,879 Runs a motorcycle parts company. 98 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,319 Eddie Chapman was his partner and they were close. 99 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,599 If Eddie was going to talk to anyone about Karen and Marcus, it would have been my dad. 100 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,159 Have you asked him about it? I have, but he won't discuss it with me. 101 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:58,560 Why not? Because people who have dirt on the braves don't live very long. 102 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,679 Eddie Chapman's body was found in an alleyway off the holloway road 103 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,559 on 21st December, 2009. 104 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,999 He'd been stabbed seven times in the chest and stomach. 105 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,119 Now several passers-by reported that they heard an argument 106 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,239 between two men at around 11pm, 107 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,719 which would have been about the time of his death. 108 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,599 But the area being what it was, 109 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,639 no-one went to see what was going on. What about the knife? 110 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,319 According to the pathologist, a flick knife, but it was never found. 111 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,999 Now, Eddie Chapman was a founder member of a motorcycle club 112 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,039 called the braves. 113 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,719 Now we're not talking about a load of fat old geezers 114 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,159 on harleys cruising the country lanes on a Sunday afternoon, 115 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,279 this lot are a serious organised crime outfit - drug trafficking, 116 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:50,359 protection, murder for hire. You name it. 117 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,159 These gangs are major players all across Northern Europe these days, 118 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,239 but there's a lot of inter-gang rivalry. 119 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,879 So the original investigation assumed that Eddie Chapman 120 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,839 had been killed by an outfit called the dartford strays. 121 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:07,919 If Stephanie parr thinks different, why doesn't she tell her boyfriend he's after the wrong people? 122 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,039 She can't prove it. Ah. 123 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,439 And even if he believed her, she's worried that he'd confront Marcus York, 124 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,399 which probably wouldn't end well for him. 125 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,439 The "not being able to prove it" is the salient point, isn't it? 126 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,399 This girl hasn't got a shred of evidence 127 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,639 to support these allegations. We've got a gun to our heads, Jack. 128 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,879 We don't have a gun to our heads, Brian. 129 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,679 If this lad's going to kill someone unless we prove... 130 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,639 Since when have we been threatened into taking on a case? We're not being threatened! 131 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,039 There's a pile of unsolved cases over there, 132 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,519 why is something as flimsy as this jumping the queue?! If you let me get a word in, I'll explain... 133 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,199 Welcome to my world, Gerry! Huh. Marcus York. 134 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,279 President of the braves and one of the nastier pieces of work 135 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,319 any of us are ever going to come across. 136 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,479 Now, in the last three decades, he's been pulled for murder, 137 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,839 attempted murder, wounding with intent, assault, you name it, 138 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,039 and every single time, he's walked. 139 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,879 Either because the witnesses have retracted their statements 140 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,799 or just vanished into thin air. 141 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:08,199 Ah! He's on the wish list. Exactly. The met have wanted him out of commission for years. 142 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,799 And you think we're going to succeed where they failed on the word of some teenaged girl?! 143 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,519 Probably not, but we'll at least explore the possibility. Waste of time. 144 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,799 If someone comes to see us, at considerable risk to themselves, 145 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,119 we're duty-bound to look into the allegations they're making. Come on! 146 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,359 So, you two go and talk to David parr, Stephanie's father. 147 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,159 She reckons he knows more about what happened than he's prepared to tell her. 148 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,839 If he won't talk to his own daughter, why will he talk to us? 149 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,559 No reason at all, but we're going to ask anyway. 150 00:08:35,560 --> 00:08:39,559 Just think, Jack, when you are done, you can get back to 151 00:08:39,560 --> 00:08:42,680 that huge pile of cases you've taken such a sudden shine to. 152 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,279 So how come you're looking into this again? 153 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,319 We review old cases from time to time. 154 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,839 Dotting the i's, crossing the t's. Uh-huh. 155 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,560 How long had you been in business with Eddie Chapman? Well, er... 15 years. 156 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,319 Oh, sorry. 15 years sounds about right. 157 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,399 You must have been close. We were friends since we were kids. 158 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,559 So mr Chapman was a member of the braves before you set up in business with him? 159 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:11,999 Yeah, but I didn't have anything to do with that side of things. 160 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,679 But they were customers of yours, weren't they? Our biggest customers. 161 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:18,839 The club runs a repair shop off the holloway road. 162 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,239 They get all their gear from us. What I meant before was, I don't... 163 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,959 I'm not a member of the club. I don't socialise with them or anything. But you ride a bike? I do. 164 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,639 Ah, like-minded people. Your best friend was a founder member. 165 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,039 Yeah, I don't like the lifestyle. What does that mean? 166 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:38,399 Dad? These new crates aren't catalogued properly, someone's going to have to... 167 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,279 Sorry, I didn't know there were... 168 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,279 These are policemen, love. They are, they're here about Eddie. Oh. 169 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:46,999 This is my daughter. 170 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,519 Hello. Nice to meet you. 171 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,959 I'll have a look at the crates in a bit, eh? 172 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,039 All right, I'm going to head off, then. I'll call you later. 173 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,640 See you later. 174 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,719 Family business? Well, me and Stephanie. My wife died four years ago, 175 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,279 so it's just the two of us now. 176 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,919 She's more friendly with the braves than you are. 177 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:10,439 That's Reese Chapman. Eddie's boy. They've known each other since they were kids. 178 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,559 He's all right, Reese, he went off the rails a bit in his teens 179 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:15,759 but he's grown up a bit in the last few years. 180 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:20,079 I think Stephanie's been a good influence on him. Sorry, what were you asking me? 181 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,559 Did Eddie Chapman use to confide in you? About what? 182 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:27,439 His personal life, any worries he might have had... 183 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,679 Yeah, sometimes. You know, we talked about stuff. What about on the day he died? 184 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:34,879 I didn't see him. He'd been away in Rotterdam for a couple of days, 185 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,359 sorting out a shipment with one of our suppliers. 186 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,639 He got back late afternoon. I didn't see him. 187 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,599 And before that? The last time you saw him or spoke to him? 188 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,079 Everything was fine. 189 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,159 And if it hadn't have been, he would have told you? Yeah, I reckon. 190 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,599 Things all right between him and mrs Chapman? Why wouldn't they be? 191 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:51,999 She's with Marcus York now. 192 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,279 Yeah, but all that happened way after, didn't it? Did it? 193 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,879 Would you have been his first port of call? 194 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,639 I mean, if he'd needed to get anything off his chest, 195 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,079 might he have talked to somebody at the club? 196 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,479 No. Maybe before, he might have gone to spike... 197 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,919 Spike? Paul worsley. Spike was his nickname. Nice fella. 198 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,519 He was a brave, one of the oldest members. 199 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,599 But he died a month or so before Eddie. 200 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:15,879 Died? How? 201 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,439 Pub fight. 202 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,559 Someone hit him a bit too hard over the head and he never woke up. 203 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:22,679 Eddie must have been a bit upset about that. 204 00:11:22,680 --> 00:11:25,599 Yeah, he was, he was gutted. 205 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,599 Who was spike fighting with? No idea. 206 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,999 Look, I'm sorry, I can't be more helpful. 207 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,599 I've got no idea what happened to Eddie, I'm afraid. 208 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,799 He was fine the last time I saw him... 209 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,279 I don't know what else I can tell you. 210 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,239 This is nicer than expected. 211 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,919 You don't get one of these selling motorcycle parts. 212 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,399 Yeah, but she's not going to admit to having an affair, is she? No. 213 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,679 And the hotel has no records of either Karen Chapman or Marcus York 214 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:54,399 booking a room for the night that Stephanie says she saw them. They could have used false names. 215 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,039 Or they were never there in the first place... 216 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,359 Even if she does admit to having an affair, 217 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,839 that's not going to prove anything, is it? No. 218 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,879 Then why are we here then? I'm not expecting answers, Gerry. 219 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,360 I just want to see her reaction to the questions. 220 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,319 Karen Chapman? 221 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,239 Detective super... I don't want to know your names. 222 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,599 We'd like five minutes of your time. May we come in? 223 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,039 Not unless you've got a warrant. 224 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,319 We're looking into the murder of your husband. Why? 225 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,839 Because it was never solved. Not as far as anyone else is concerned. 226 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,199 It's common knowledge who killed Eddie. The dartford strays? 227 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,799 We're looking into other possibilities. Such as? 228 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,199 We understand that you're in a relationship with Marcus York now. 229 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,759 Yeah, well, that's none of your business. 230 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,239 Depending on when that relationship started, it might be our business. 231 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,239 Who's been pulling your chain? 232 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,359 When did the relationship start? 233 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,200 A couple of months after Eddie was murdered by those bastards in dartford. 234 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,680 Gonna call me a liar? 235 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:01,880 Then we're done, aren't we? 236 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,119 Just explain to me how that woman had two men in her life. 237 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,439 Well, she probably has one as a spare 238 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,759 for after she's eaten the other one. 239 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,719 I'd rather be playing golf... Door opens 240 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:16,960 oh, here she is... 241 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:23,519 Hello, Sandra. Stuart Barlow! My god, what a blast from the past! 242 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:24,839 How are you? 243 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,079 Do you know Gerry standing? This is... 244 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,159 What do I call you now? Detective superintendent. Detective superintendent Barlow. 245 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,119 Stuart. Hiya. We were at hendon together. Ah. Thick as thieves. 246 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,359 You worked under Jack for a while, didn't you? 247 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,239 In the dim and distant past. Mr hal... Jack... Taught me everything I know. 248 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,719 It's a wonder you're not still in uniform, then. 249 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,559 Have you met Brian Lane? Briefly, yeah. 250 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:48,039 The legendary ucos team. Hardly. 251 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,719 Where are you now? Organised crime. 252 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,559 Ah, so this isn't a social visit then. Well, it's both. 253 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:57,039 Shall we do the work bit first? Yeah, sure. 254 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,080 Er... 255 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,239 The Eddie Chapman case, Sandra. Yeah. Is it going anywhere? 256 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,559 We only got it this morning, from a walk-in. 257 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:11,239 Who? Stephanie parr. 258 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,559 She's the daughter of David parr - Eddie Chapman's business partner. 259 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:19,159 Did she have anything? Nothing concrete, no. Ok. 260 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,439 We're going to have to drop this one, I'm afraid. Why? 261 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,839 It's been red-flagged. We're treading on toes. The braves. 262 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,239 My lot have been working on them for a few years 263 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,879 and we're just starting now to get some evidence. Drug trafficking? 264 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,119 Yeah. Joint operations with the Dutch and Swedish police. 265 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,559 We're uncovering their European connections 266 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,679 and ties to other gangs in the Netherlands and scandinavia. 267 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,759 It's a whole network of organised crime. It's a big one for us. 268 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,359 For me, personally. Are you close? We're very close, very close. 269 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,759 It's been a slog, getting any inside information on these gangs 270 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,799 is nigh on impossible, but we're just starting... ok, ok. 271 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:55,959 What? 272 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,839 Well, she took quite a big risk coming in to see us. 273 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,079 Well, you said she didn't have any evidence. 274 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,039 No, I said she had nothing concrete. 275 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,439 Then tell her you couldn't corroborate her story. 276 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,919 I'm sorry, Sandra, but we can't compromise Stuart's operation. Of course. 277 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,759 This gang is incredibly jumpy. A police presence now, even if it is just ucos, 278 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,719 it could spook them into quietening down their operations just when we're getting ready... 279 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,159 Look, she only walked in this morning. I'll tell her we don't have the resources. It's no big deal. 280 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,399 Thank you, Sandra. Good luck, Stuart. Thank you, sir. 281 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,639 I said I'd hook up with Jack later for a drink. You up for sinking a few? 282 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,919 Nah, I've got some stuff to take care of. 283 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,439 All right, what did I say? 284 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,519 You said "just ucos". Ah. 285 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,639 You said the braves would be spooked by a police presence, even if it was "just ucos". 286 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,919 I meant as opposed to a full-on murder enquiry. 287 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,879 No, that's not what you meant. That's not what I meant... so? 288 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,239 You shot a dog. By accident. What was it seven, eight years ago? 289 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,719 This is the longest anyone's ever spent on the naughty step, isn't it? 290 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,959 They're a good team. It's a remarkable team. 291 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,359 The clean-up rate is through the roof and those three guys are legends. 292 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,720 If you were anybody else, I'd be shaking your hand, saying, "good job." 293 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,119 It's none of my business. Ignore me. We lost touch, people change. 294 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,599 I didn't mean to cause offence back there, really. It's just nice to see you again. Changed how? 295 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,199 Seriously, forget it. Let me buy you a drink. You think I've changed? 296 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,039 I just strolled in there and pulled your team off a case. 297 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,399 Sandra Pullman I trained with would never... 298 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:20,879 We don't really have a case! 299 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,319 We only got it this morning, we don't have anything! 300 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,080 That's fine then! And if it jeopardises an existing operation, then... 301 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,639 I don't think I've changed. Ok. 302 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:36,159 No, it's not ok! It feels like you've settled. Ah. We don't need to have this conversation. 303 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,519 I'm not doing the "really important work"? Sandra. What's an unsolved murder here or there 304 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:46,000 when I should be out battling the European drug cartels single-handed? Ok, that's really not what I meant. 305 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,959 There are people out there at the sharp end, people who, 306 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,119 on their very best day, are nowhere near as good as you. 307 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,199 And instead of being out in the front, 308 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,640 you're sitting in a basement cleaning up their mess. 309 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,639 Shall we take the stairs? Hmm. 310 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,719 So you and Barlow go all the way back to hendon, eh? Yeah. 311 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,719 Any... history? 312 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,039 No. Ok. Why do you think that? 313 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,519 Well, it was just that Brian was saying it's not like you 314 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,599 to give up a case without a fight. 315 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,639 Organised crime have been onto this for three years, Gerry. 316 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,679 If we went barging in looking for Eddie Chapman's killer... Yeah, yeah, I know. 317 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,799 So you lot think I agreed to this because Stuart Barlow and I... 318 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,759 No, no of course not. 319 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,999 Ucos doesn't go after people like Marcus York. Since when? 320 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,039 We don't have the manpower, the resources, or the expertise. 321 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:41,479 Let's just get this over with. 322 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,879 We'll tell Stephanie there's not enough evidence to support her case 323 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,199 and then we'll go to the office, put the kettle on 324 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,439 and blow the dust off another case from the who bloody cares? File. 325 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,679 What, like murder, you mean? 326 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,079 Somebody's dead child or... shh! 327 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,480 Knocks on the door Stephanie? 328 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,760 Stephanie, police. 329 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,120 Well, she's alive. 330 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,360 Ok, thank you. 331 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,559 She'll be ok. Scarred for life, they think, but ok. 332 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,119 The way she was attacked, she must have seen who it was. 333 00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:42,039 She's not saying. She won't speak to us. 334 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,199 Well whoever it was had the desired effect, didn't they? 335 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,839 Forensics might come up with something from her flat. 336 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,239 Active investigation, so whatever they find is none of our business. 337 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,999 Except where it crosses over with the Eddie Chapman case. 338 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:59,240 Whoever attacked Stephanie must have... Brian, we've dropped the Eddie Chapman case, remember? 339 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,999 Didn't we have this conversation? Yeah, we did. But then someone attacked Stephanie parr 340 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,359 and now we have to have the Eddie Chapman case. Stephanie comes to us 341 00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:12,919 and alleges that Marcus York killed Eddie Chapman. 342 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,479 We asked questions and then someone attacked her. If we drop the case now... 343 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,719 The braves'll realise you've been called off. 344 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,639 They'll know something's up and batten down the hatches. 345 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,199 Ucos will stick to the Eddie Chapman murder. 346 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,879 They won't look at the drugs or any of the organised crime. 347 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,839 And if those aspects cross into your case? 348 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,679 Are we working on the theory that York killed Chapman 349 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:36,359 because Chapman found out York was sleeping with his wife? Yes. There shouldn't be any crossover. 350 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:40,119 His web's more tangled. And we're not capable of navigating the murky waters 351 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:44,639 of organised crime... of course, I'm just concerned... So stay and help them out. 352 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,839 Excuse me? Sir, I don't think... 353 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,439 I'm sure the team would benefit from your knowledge of the braves 354 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,359 and you can steer them clear of any lines of enquiry that could cause you trouble. 355 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:55,639 You ok with that, Sandra? He mouths 356 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,999 it's a great idea. 357 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,880 Excellent, I'll square it with your dac, Stuart. Welcome to ucos. Thank you, sir. 358 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,719 What, this is funny, is it? 359 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,000 Don't worry, you'll fit right in! 360 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,679 The attack on Stephanie parr is an active investigation. 361 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,319 Our job is to investigate Stephanie's assertion 362 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,479 that Marcus York killed Eddie Chapman. 363 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,159 And we still don't have any evidence for that. 364 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,719 Milk and sugar, Stuart? Er, milk, one sugar. Thank you. 365 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,559 Stephanie parr's in a hospital bed because she came to see us. 366 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,159 So somebody must have been worried about what she'd said. 367 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,519 But who? And who even knew that she came to see us? 368 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,799 As Sandra says, that's not the focus of the ucos investigation. 369 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,239 What happened to Stephanie is as likely to be punishment for her 370 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,999 talking to the police as it is an attempt to shut her up. 371 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,159 Thank you. I don't think you can assume 372 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,799 that she's got any more useful information to give you regarding the Chapman case. 373 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,879 Which brings us back to the fact that we still have no evidence. 374 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:59,040 So who's to say that Chapman wasn't killed by this rival gang in dartford? 375 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,360 What? 376 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,999 Nothing. No, no. If you've got something that will help our case... 377 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,319 Chapman wasn't killed by anyone from the dartford gang. 378 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,879 How do you know that? 379 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,519 And why did the original investigation conclude... 380 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:20,199 Kent police have got an informant in the dartford gang. He's well placed and reliable 381 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,359 and he swears blind that Chapman's death had nothing to do with them. 382 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:27,319 (Thanks, lads.) That didn't go to the original investigation 383 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,359 because the informant's existence needs to be kept secret. 384 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:34,559 Which means that information doesn't leave this room. So what else are you not telling us? 385 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,079 A staggering amount. None of it relevant to Chapman. 386 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,799 And you're the best judge of that, are you? I'm going to have to be. 387 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,079 Come to me with a question, I'll try to answer it. 388 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:47,159 But I can't just volunteer information that might jeopardise what my team are doing. 389 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,519 So what can you tell us? I can tell you that you should stop worrying about 390 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,439 poor, innocent little Reese Chapman turning to the dark side. 391 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,159 That happened seven years ago, when he was 14 392 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,399 and he stabbed a youth worker three times with a screwdriver. That's not in the file... 393 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,919 Not in his file. He was never charged because mummy and daddy got involved 394 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,919 and suddenly the youth worker couldn't remember who'd attacked him. 395 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,239 Two years ago Reese, and two other members of the braves, Carl butcher, 396 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,679 Gary wood, kicked a member of a rival gang into a coma at a music festival, 397 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,679 in broad daylight in the middle of a group and no-one saw a thing. 398 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,639 Well, David parr did tell us 399 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,239 that Reese Chapman had been a tearaway in his youth, 400 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,239 but as far as he knew, he's a changed man now. 401 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,359 Really? 402 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:32,719 Let us be under no illusions here. Eddie Chapman was an animal. 403 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,999 So's his kid. No-one on this board is innocent, 404 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,039 none of them are going to tell you the truth 405 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,559 and not one of them would think twice about sticking a knife in your guts if they feel cornered. 406 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,680 Great. Can't wait to meet them. 407 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,079 Not the most salubrious criminal headquarters, is it? 408 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,239 The king's head is just round the corner. 409 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,079 Jack! No, that's the place where this spike worsley was killed. 410 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,639 Eddie Chapman's friend? Well, David parr said they were close. 411 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,239 So? So, the pub where it happened is just around that corner. 412 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,159 It must be their local. Of course, there were no witnesses, 413 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,919 but it was assumed that worsley was attacked by a rival gang. 414 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,399 In their local pub? Well, just outside, in the car park. 415 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:19,119 But it doesn't seem likely, does it? If he was attacked by a rival gang outside... that's gang war. 416 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:22,279 There would have been more than one casualty. Interesting. 417 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,599 Oh! Here we go. Well, that's York. 418 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:26,759 Who's that with him? 419 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,359 That is... Jason Knowles, vice president of the club. 420 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:34,479 Previous for armed robbery and assault. 421 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,200 Oh, there he is. Yeah, let's go. 422 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,480 Reese Chapman? 423 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,919 Detective superintendent Pullman, this is Jack halford. We'd like a word with you. 424 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,119 You don't have to talk to these people, Reese. And you are? You know exactly who I am. 425 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:07,999 Marcus York and Jason Knowles. 426 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,520 That's better. See, he's not trying to bullshit anyone. 427 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,719 You're the one who harassed my friend yesterday. She thought that was harassment? 428 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,919 We'd like to ask Reese a few questions about his father's death. 429 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,479 He doesn't have to talk to you. 430 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,840 No. But he can make his own mind up, he doesn't need your permission. 431 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,560 Take them up to the office. 432 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,040 You'll make up the time, though. 433 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:44,240 Don't trust these people, Reese. All right? 434 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,479 Not sitting at Stephanie's bedside, then? 435 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,159 Poor girl has 17 stitches in her face. They're feeding her through a straw. 436 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,960 Nice boyfriend you are. She won't see me. I don't blame her. 437 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:06,959 It's not my fault she's there. No? 438 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,039 Whose fault is it, then? 439 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,039 Where were you on the night that your dad was killed? 440 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,479 I was at a party. Where? 441 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,879 Here. There's some sofas over at the back. We hang out here. Who else was here? 442 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,719 A bunch of the guys. Marcus and Jason. 443 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,919 Jason Knowles, the ex-armed robber? What time did you leave? I didn't. 444 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,159 I passed out on the floor, woke up the next morning. Too much cider? 445 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,839 That's funny. I don't know what I was drinking. 446 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,919 Knocked me out, though. Did your dad try to reach you that night? 447 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,119 Yeah. I saw the missed calls in the morning, 448 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:39,519 but by then it was too late. 449 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,639 So, who do you think killed him, Reese? 450 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,039 I don't know. But you think you know, don't you? 451 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,719 It wasn't a rival gang. You can take that from us. 452 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,280 And why would I do that? 453 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:54,199 Your mum's in a relationship with Marcus York now, isn't she? Yeah. 454 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,039 When did that start? A couple of months after dad died. 455 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,560 You sure about that? Yes, I'm sure. 456 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,679 When you woke up, after that party, was Marcus York still there? 457 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,839 No, he'd gone home. Did you see him leave? 458 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,279 I didn't see anything. I told you - I passed out. 459 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,359 All right. Thanks very much. 460 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:16,840 That's it? We'll be in touch. 461 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,559 Is the king's head your local? Yeah. 462 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,319 Spike worsley was killed there. Did you know him? 463 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,799 Yeah. Do you know who killed him? No. 464 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,599 Someone is attacked outside the pub 465 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,839 and there must have been other people there? 466 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,879 No-one saw a thing. What a surprise! 467 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,919 We were wondering if there's a connection between that and your father's death. 468 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,199 What are you trying to say? I'm sorry? What you saying about my dad? 469 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,879 You trying to say he was one of your lot? Are you saying he was like worsley? 470 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,760 Reese... what do you mean, "one of our lot"? 471 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,879 I think your 15 minutes is up, don't you? 472 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,119 Did you know spike worsley, mr Knowles? Never heard of him. 473 00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:00,919 Really? That's odd, because he was a member of your gang. 474 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,440 Is that right? 475 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,160 Sounds to me like he was a member of yours. 476 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,919 Do you think Sandra's being a bit weird at the moment? 477 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,079 Brian? 478 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,599 Brian! Hmm? 479 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,559 I said, "do you think Sandra's being a bit weird at the moment?" 480 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,479 What if we're on the wrong track? 481 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,519 I'm better off talking to myself. 482 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,879 What if Karen Chapman's affair with Marcus York 483 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,839 had nothing to do with Eddie Chapman's death? What are you looking at? This spike worsley, 484 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,799 Eddie Chapman's mate who was killed a few months before Chapman. Yeah, in the pub. 485 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,559 But David parr told me and Jack that he didn't know anything about it. So? 486 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,240 He's on the witness list. He was there when it happened. 487 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,119 Ah, mr parr. This is Gerry standing. Hello. 488 00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:03,599 How's Stephanie doing? I can't talk to you. 489 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,239 You said you didn't know what happened to spike worsley. Spike? 490 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,799 What's this got to do with him? You were with him the night he was killed. 491 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,919 He left before me. I don't know what happened to him. He was killed in the car park outside. 492 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,679 You must have walked past him on your way out. It was dark. 493 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,519 Who else was there? I don't remember. 494 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,519 Come on! You can do better than that. No! I can't. 495 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,319 You see, the official version is that he was killed by a rival gang. 496 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,759 Much like Eddie Chapman. 497 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,359 But, if that's the case, then surely there would have been retribution. 498 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:37,119 Which there wasn't. So maybe it wasn't a rival gang. I don't know. 499 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:39,519 There's an awful lot you don't know, isn't there? 500 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,759 You don't know who killed Eddie, you don't know who killed spike, 501 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,519 you don't even know who cut your daughter's face to ribbons. I'm going inside. 502 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,199 You know. You're just too scared to talk. I'll say something. 503 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,759 You did this. My little girl's in there because she came to you in confidence. 504 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,200 And this is how you kept her safe. 505 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,599 I'm going back to see my daughter. 506 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,560 You leave me alone - both of you! 507 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,400 Anything I can help you with? 508 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,840 Do you think the murder of spike worsley is related to this somehow? 509 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,279 Hello? Hmm? 510 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,840 Spike worsley. 511 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,639 I don't know. 512 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,040 If there is a connection, I can't see it yet. Do you think I'm the youngest person in here? 513 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,080 Yes. 514 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,239 Jack, do you think I'm wasted at ucos? 515 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,480 What kind of a question is that? 516 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,279 A stupid one. Ignore me. 517 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,199 Thank you. Cheers. 518 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,839 I'll have yours. No, you won't. You're not allowed it. No! Give it back. 519 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,599 Tell him to give me my drink back. Give him his drink back. 520 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,360 He just said I was the brawn of the operation. He was being kind. 521 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,319 There's not a large vodka and tonic, is there? I'll get you one. 522 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,439 It's all right, I'll put it on the tab. I'll come with you. 523 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,439 A large one, a bit strong, isn't it? 524 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,919 How did it go today? 525 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,239 Double vodka and tonic. Ice and lime. Thanks. 526 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,959 Well remembered. Some people don't change. 527 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,159 He laughs 528 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,919 was spike worsley an informant? No. 529 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,159 If that's something you don't think we need to know. No, he wasn't a snout. 530 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,360 It looks like he was killed because the braves thought he was. 531 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,999 A couple of years ago, customs raided a boat coming in from Rotterdam. 532 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,439 They discovered £2 million worth of cocaine. 533 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:43,119 Being brought in by the braves? Yes, although, as usual, we couldn't prove a link to them. 534 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,719 The bust was blind luck, it was just a random search, 535 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:52,239 but the braves got it into their head that someone had grassed them up. On the strength of one bust? 536 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,879 Marcus York has become very paranoid in his old age. 537 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,879 He started a witch hunt. 538 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,959 And the finger got pointed at spike worsley? So it seems. 539 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,160 Like I say, it wasn't him, it was just a random bust. Do you think Marcus York killed him? 540 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,039 The order could have come from York, but it's unlikely he would have done it himself. 541 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,079 Spike worsley was one of Eddie Chapman's oldest friends. 542 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,159 He must have been pretty certain that spike wasn't a grass. 543 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,199 What if he confronted Marcus York and things got out of hand? 544 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,119 This is their equivalent of a court of law. The president's word is final. 545 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,360 Eddie might not have liked it, but he wouldn't have got in the way. 546 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,919 Wait a minute. The shipment that was seized was from Rotterdam? 547 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,359 What was the shipment disguised as? 548 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,719 It was motorcycle parts, wasn't it? This is so far out of your remit. 549 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,079 Eddie Chapman and David parr were smuggling drugs from Rotterdam 550 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:50,799 for the braves. Why didn't they get done on that bust? Cos they're smart. The paperwork goes round in circles. 551 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,639 Yeah, and you didn't push it because you didn't want to blow your operation. 552 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,359 You can't use this information. You can't even admit that you know it. 553 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,399 You are joking? It's not relevant to your case. 554 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,639 Eddie got murdered hours after getting back from Rotterdam, 555 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,879 where, presumably, he was organising a drug shipment. How is that not relevant? 556 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,839 If Eddie was killed because of some kind of double-cross over drugs, York would have killed parr too. 557 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,439 But he didn't, David parr is still very much alive. 558 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,360 Yeah, and still bringing in the drugs? Yup. 559 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,199 You've got to investigate this case, for appearance's sake now that Stephanie parr is in hospital. 560 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,120 But... but we'll never get enough on Marcus York to make an arrest. 561 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,240 Not in a million years! 562 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,880 Are we the youngest people in this pub? 563 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,079 Morning. Morning. Forensics from Stephanie parr's flat. 564 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,799 Not our case, Gerry. But it tells us who attacked her. 565 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,559 Although there's no way to prove it. Well, that doesn't surprise me. All right, let's hear it. 566 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,679 Ah, there's a ton of fingerprints and hair samples all over the place, David parr, obviously, 567 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,039 Reese Chapman, Karen Chapman, Marcus York, Jason Knowles, Carl b... 568 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:12,999 Basically anyone who was in the braves. They even found a partial of Eddie Chapman. 569 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,639 Which tells you something about Stephanie's housekeeping. So? 570 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:23,039 Well, whoever cut Stephanie's face grabbed a handful of hair to keep her head steady. 571 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,559 They found flakes of nail varnish in her scalp. 572 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,120 What colour? 573 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,839 Nice varnish. Thanks. Same colour we found in Stephanie parr's hair. 574 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,039 It's a very common brand. Yes, but not one she uses. 575 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,079 Never say never. She'll need all the help she can get now. 576 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,719 We know it was you. 577 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,959 I don't know what you're talking about. 578 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,200 Who told you Stephanie came to see us? 579 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,439 I'd call my lawyer, but he's very expensive and I don't think you're worth it. 580 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,919 Unless Stephanie parr talks. Is that likely, do you think? 581 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,199 What'll your son say when he finds out you did that to his girlfriend? 582 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,119 Ex-girlfriend, I suspect. She's not going to stick around now the going's got tough. 583 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:12,239 You've just done a very stupid thing. This case was hanging by a thread, I was going to walk away. 584 00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:16,840 Call your lawyer and tell him he's about to make a lot of money out of you and your boyfriend. 585 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,039 We haven't got anything. I know we don't have anything, Jack. 586 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,799 So that was an idle threat you just made to Karen Chapman. We need to find something, don't we? 587 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,799 That's the same problem that everyone's had when they tried to Nick Marcus York. 588 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,799 The bloke's made out of teflon. We can't tie him into the murder of spike worsley, 589 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,519 we can't prove Karen Chapman attacked Stephanie parr. 590 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,319 We can't use what we know about David parr's drug smuggling, to make him talk, 591 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,119 because we can't let him know we know. 592 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:48,359 Yeah, that's all stick, though. Maybe we need a bit of carrot. What do you mean? 593 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,679 Well, nobody'll talk because they're scared of what the braves will do to them. 594 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,119 We need someone who stands to gain by Marcus York being put behind bars. 595 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,719 Thanks for coming in, mr Knowles, however reluctantly. 596 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,839 As you know, we're investigating the murder of Eddie Chapman. 597 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,480 Yeah, we understand you were at a party the night Eddie Chapman was murdered. Is that right? 598 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,480 Reese Chapman was there and Marcus York. 599 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,439 This conversation isn't being recorded. 600 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,360 We think Marcus York killed Eddie Chapman. 601 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,239 Marcus was having an affair with Karen Chapman. Did you know that? 602 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:32,479 We think that Eddie found out about it, confronted him and then Marcus killed him. 603 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,479 That couldn't have happened if Marcus York was at a party with you at the time. 604 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,320 But if he wasn't there, or if he left early. 605 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,759 Ucos doesn't care what you've done, or might do in the future. 606 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,479 We're only interested in the murder of Eddie Chapman. 607 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,719 And if Marcus York gets nicked for it, leaves a vacancy at the top, doesn't it? 608 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,080 You are vice-president after all. 609 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,919 Are you really that loyal to a man like Marcus York? 610 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,919 Are you really that happy to take orders from him when you could be running the show? 611 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,439 Maybe you're just scared of what might happen if someone finds out that you talked to the police. 612 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,679 Is that it? Of course, no-one knows what's happening in this room. 613 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,319 Who's to say you're not spilling your guts? 614 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:22,639 Yeah, and if a rumour like that gets out, you could end up like Stephanie parr. 615 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,320 Or spike worsley. 616 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,159 Honestly, I've never seen anything like it. 617 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,159 Everyone says something, eventually, don't they? Apparently not. 618 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,119 So where does that leave us? 619 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,360 Can I have a word? 620 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,439 Jason Knowles. What about him? You brought him in. You didn't think to check with me? 621 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,159 He's being interviewed in our investigation. The vice-president of the braves. 622 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,359 He was at the party Marcus York claimed to be at on the night Eddie Chapman was killed. 623 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,079 How did you know we were talking to Knowles? He started a fight with some uniforms 624 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,839 when you tried to arrest him. I'm surprised it wasn't on the bloody news! 625 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,959 That doesn't give you the right to come in here shouting. We're treading a fine line here. 626 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,839 I'm trying to give you leeway. Not treading on your toes. 627 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,479 I'm just saying if you want to... No, no, no, I'm not stupid. 628 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,160 I know what the boundaries are and I'm not treading on your toes. 629 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,480 Stuart? 630 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,240 Why haven't you asked what Jason Knowles said to us? 631 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,440 It's cos you already know, isn't it? 632 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,040 And that's why he's back on the streets five hours after assaulting three coppers. 633 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,959 The vice-president of the braves is a police informant. 634 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,799 Jason Knowles? Bloody hell. 635 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,519 He picked up the phone as soon as he was released and told Stuart that Marcus York left the party 636 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,639 just after ten o'clock and didn't come back in. 637 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,479 Well, that blows York's alibi out the window. 638 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,839 We can't use that without compromising Knowles, can we? 639 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,839 No, we need to get it from someone else. Who? Reese Chapman. 640 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,119 How will you get it from him? We'll tell him everything we know. That's dangerous. 641 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,999 If it doesn't work, we'll be letting a very angry young man walk out of here. 642 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,079 Then it had better work, Jack. 643 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,040 It was your mother who attacked Stephanie and cut her face. 644 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:51,119 That bit of news hadn't got to you, I'm surprised. She doesn't seem too bothered about hiding it. 645 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,439 And she said you'd be on her side. I'm not talking to you. 646 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,079 You are, cos I'm not playing that game again today. 647 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,599 Have you any idea why she might have done that to Stephanie, Reese? 648 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:06,239 Stephanie said that she saw your mum and Marcus York, coming out of a hotel room 649 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,279 in the middle of the night. The two of them. 650 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,519 A month before your father was killed. What do you think that means? 651 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,439 That's not true. Really? So Stephanie's lying? Wow! 652 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,599 She took quite a big risk coming here just to tell us a lie. 653 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,479 And she paid for it. She certainly did, when someone told your mother about it. 654 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,999 I wonder why it was such a big deal? People have affairs all the time. 655 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,319 Yeah, after it came out, your father was no longer around, anyway. 656 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,999 Unless it came out before. Before? 657 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:39,039 You think Eddie could have found out? Maybe that's what he was talking about that night. 658 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,519 What night? The night he died. 659 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,519 Stephanie said that he came round to her flat, looking for you, Reese. 660 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,679 She said he was angry, upset and kept muttering about loyalty and... 661 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,719 What was the other thing? Betrayal? Betrayal. Yeah, that's right. 662 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:57,199 He needed to talk to you about something. Something important. 663 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,279 That's why he kept calling. 664 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,919 But you were at a party and couldn't hear your phone. 665 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:07,159 So he wandered out into the night, your dad. Angry, drunk, confused. 666 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,559 Betrayed. And that was the last anyone saw of him. 667 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:15,240 Well, almost anyone. That's true. One person saw him after that. 668 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,319 Marcus York was at that party with you, wasn't he? 669 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:26,119 Yeah. Was he? Yes. All night? I passed out. 670 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,679 But up to that point Marcus York was with you? 671 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,799 He went out to get some air. What time? I don't know. 672 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:38,199 He just went outside for a few minutes. A minute? Five minutes? How long? I don't know. A few minutes. 673 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,879 I went out there, I saw him leaning against the wall. He looked rough, he said he just needed some air. 674 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,159 Did you see him come back in? 675 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,239 I went in, he said he'd be right behind me. 676 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:51,960 Reese? Think. Did Marcus York come back into that party? 677 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,999 No. 678 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,559 Loud music 679 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,599 Marcus, leave him alone! 680 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,639 Get off your hands off him. Get your hands off him! 681 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,640 Get your hands off him! Marcus! 682 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,960 Get off me! Get off me! 683 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,159 I went outside for some air. Because you were feeling ill. Yeah. 684 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,759 How long were you outside? I don't know. A few minutes. 685 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,719 And then you went back in, did you? Yeah. Did anyone see you go back in? 686 00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:34,039 Who did you talk to? I don't know. It was a party. I was drunk. 687 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,479 We spoke to someone else at the party who said you didn't go back inside. Who was that? 688 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,240 That's not important. 689 00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:44,039 Young Reese been telling tales, has he? 690 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,639 When did your relationship with Karen Chapman start? You want dates and times? I don't know. 691 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,959 Was it before or after Eddie was killed? After. 692 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,239 But you were seen at a hotel together a month before he died. 693 00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:59,359 Another one of your mystery witnesses? Look at his hand. 694 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:00,719 What is that? I don't know. 695 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:04,439 Eddie Chapman found out about it, didn't he? 696 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,599 I need a glass of water. Did he confront you? We know he was angry and he'd been drinking. 697 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,759 It makes sense that he could have been the aggressor. Was it self-defence? Water. 698 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,399 What happened? Nothing! Eddie Chapman confronted you about the affair, 699 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,399 you were both drunk and it turned violent. Who threw the first punch? No-one! 700 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,839 Piss off. 701 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,680 Alarm blares 702 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,879 what's wrong with him? 703 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,839 Call an ambulance! 704 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,319 His hand was trembling in the interview. 705 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,439 It was doing the same thing when we met him at that motorbike place. 706 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,119 That's got to be a neurological thing, hasn't it? 707 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,679 What's the betting his lawyer tries to blame it on us? 708 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:49,080 He's upstairs having his jaw wired up, so we don't have to worry about him for a while. 709 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,599 You're never going to believe this. Ms. Multiple sclerosis? 710 00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,039 He was diagnosed about 18 months ago. It may not be fatal, but it's getting progressively worse. 711 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,639 Did anybody know? Yeah, and this is the real kick in the teeth. 712 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,679 Karen Chapman brought Marcus York into whittington hospital a&e 713 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,039 at 10.37pm on 20th December 2009. 714 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,879 The 20th? The night Eddie Chapman was killed. 715 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,879 According to a medical report, York had been at a party and gone outside for some air. 716 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,079 He was feeling a bit light-headed and realised he was in the early stages of a seizure, 717 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,919 similar to the one that we've just witnessed. He called up Karen and got her to take him to the hospital. 718 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,199 That's why he didn't go back into the party. 719 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:35,159 The reason he claimed he had is because he didn't want anybody to find out where he really was. 720 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:40,359 I don't suppose there's any chance that afterwards... no, he was kept in overnight and Karen was with him. 721 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,680 And that's his real alibi. And it's watertight. We've been after the wrong guy. 722 00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:47,639 It's not the end of the world. Thank you, Gerry. 723 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,519 Someone killed Chapman. Just not Marcus York. 724 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:55,199 How can the pieces fit together so well and yet the picture they make is so wrong? 725 00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:00,319 We were probably punching above our weight going after Marcus York in the first place. 726 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,320 Let Barlow's lot deal with him. 727 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,479 What? Punching above our weight? Yeah. Well, no... 728 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,920 What I mean is, if... 729 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,040 Sandra? See you in the morning. 730 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,079 What was that about? 731 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:31,279 As if I ever know the answer to that question. 732 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,680 Sandra? 733 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,639 Stuart told me that all I'm doing is cleaning up the mess left by detectives who aren't as good as me. 734 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,679 Well, that's not true. No? No. 735 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,239 Sometimes we clear up the mess left by detectives who are better than you. 736 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:50,919 Everybody makes mistakes. And we clean them up. When we can. 737 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,599 I should be out there, Jack. Doing something important? No, that's... 738 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,879 Look, I don't give a stuff what Stuart Barlow or anybody else thinks about ucos 739 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,799 but giving unsolved cases another go round is important. 740 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,359 If you want to leave because it isn't exciting or glamorous enough... 741 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,959 I'm not saying that. Or you're bored to death with three retired detectives 742 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,439 who moan about everything and drink tea all day long, fair enough. 743 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,320 But don't think for one second... 744 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,880 You are a good detective, Sandra, but nobody is too good for this job. 745 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,079 Where are you two going? Home. Pub. Coming? 746 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,959 No, I'm not and neither are you. We're going to work out who killed Eddie Chapman. 747 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,039 You're not serious? Yes, I'm serious. 748 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,040 Punching above our weight, are we? We'll see about that! 749 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:47,119 Hi, Stuart, it's Sandra Pullman. I just wanted you to know we've struck out on the Chapman case. 750 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,999 We're going to drop it, so it's over to you now. 751 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,120 Give me a call if you want. Ok, cheers. Bye. 752 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,599 This is on you. 753 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,240 Look what they did to me. 754 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,159 Now it's your turn. 755 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,879 Jack, this is ridiculous. There is no evidence here. 756 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:23,239 It's not that there isn't any to be found, it's just that we haven't found it. 757 00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:27,479 Sandra was right, the pieces of this puzzle fit together perfectly. 758 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:32,599 Everything points to Marcus York killing Eddie Chapman, but we all know he couldn't have. 759 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:38,679 If he didn't, then York's affair with Karen Chapman had nothing to do with Eddie Chapman's death. Yes. 760 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,519 So why did Karen attack Stephanie because she told us? 761 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,119 Well, it's like Barlow said, it's a punishment. 762 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,840 I mean, as far as this lot's concerned, you just do not talk to the police, full stop. 763 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,280 Stephanie's lucky she didn't, she didn't turn out like... 764 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,280 Like who? Like spike worsley! 765 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,759 He was killed because the braves thought he was an informant. So? 766 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,479 Well, this is, what, a month before Eddie Chapman died. 767 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:13,519 Remember the date? Yeah, the 17th November, just around 11 o'clock at night. 768 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,759 Have you got Stephanie's statement? What have you got, Brian? 769 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:23,119 You remember Stephanie claimed she saw Marcus York and Karen Chapman together in the hotel that night. 770 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,560 What's the date? 771 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:30,679 November the 17th, so Marcus York couldn't have killed spike worsley either. No. 772 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:35,759 How can we be making progress by finding more people that Marcus York didn't kill? 773 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,519 Because we shouldn't be looking for the "who", Jack, we need to find out the "why". 774 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:45,839 Why was spike worsely killed? Because the braves thought he was a snout. 775 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,239 But he wasn't. No, but Jason Knowles was! 776 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:51,959 Now Eddie Chapman knew that spike worsley was innocent, 777 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,119 so what if he set out on his own to find the real informant? 778 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,559 What and found out it was Knowles? Yeah, and that's why Chapman was lambing off at Stephanie 779 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,039 about loyalty and betrayal. 780 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,959 Maybe it was Knowles who pointed the finger at spike worsley in the first place. 781 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,199 To divert suspicion from himself. 782 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:12,639 Now, David parr was there the night spike worsley died. 783 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:17,479 We need to find out what he saw and what he heard. Right. Come on then. 784 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,119 Ok, Reese, you don't want to do this. You destroyed my life. 785 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,239 No, I didn't. Your father was murdered. 786 00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:28,759 Your mother put your girlfriend in hospital and looking at that acid burn where your tattoo was, 787 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,519 you've been thrown out the club. I don't care about any of that. What, then? Stephanie? 788 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:34,839 Mobile rings 789 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,520 ignore it. 790 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,080 There goes the cavalry. 791 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:51,279 You're pointing a gun because your girlfriend won't talk to you? She was the only thing that mattered. 792 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,879 Why aren't you at the hospital telling her that? Because she won't even see me. 793 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,239 Can you blame her? 794 00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:02,559 No. No, I blame you. You were supposed to protect her. And I did. 795 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,879 I don't know how her name got out and I'm sorry. Let's not forget it was your mother that put her in hospital. 796 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,959 Reese. Reese, listen, put the gun down. 797 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,879 You've got a bad chemical burn on your arm, let me get you medical attention. No. 798 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,320 Put the gun down and we'll step outside, take a few breaths, and... 799 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,160 You went outside! What are you talking about? 800 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,319 At the party. I don't care about any of that. Yes, yes, you do. 801 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,439 You said that you saw Marcus York when you went outside. Yeah. 802 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,479 Why did you go outside? Is this really how you want to spend your last few seconds? 803 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,559 It was noisy, there was music playing. So? 804 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,879 You said your father tried to call but didn't get through. That wasn't true, was it? 805 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,679 You went outside to take the call. You spoke to him. 806 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,959 Why didn't you tell us? 807 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,800 Because we don't talk to cops. Oh, grow up! 808 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,200 What did he say? 809 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,839 He wasn't making any sense. What did he say? 810 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:04,439 He was drunk, he was raving. He kept saying it wasn't spike, over and over again. 811 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,719 He said he knew who it was. He knew who the informant was. 812 00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:12,719 He said he wanted me to meet him, he said he needed my help. I didn't help him. I thought he was... 813 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:19,159 It's my fault. My dad, Stephanie, I didn't help them. I wasn't there for them. 814 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,360 I lost them both because I didn't... Oh, stop whining! 815 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,319 How many more times? I've got nothing to say to you. 816 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,479 Who killed spike worsley? I don't know. Yes, you do. You were there. 817 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,519 He left before. No he didn't. Who killed him, mr parr? 818 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,119 Was it Jason Knowles? I've got nothing to say to you! 819 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,879 I just want to be with my daughter. Dad? Get back into bed, Steph. 820 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,719 Why don't you just leave us alone? 821 00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:49,839 Well, if you won't talk to us, then maybe you'll talk to the drugs squad. 822 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:54,039 We know you smuggle drugs in from Rotterdam for the braves. 823 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:59,359 The paper trail's tricky to follow, but I'm sure we could get there if we applied ourselves. 824 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,079 Dad? Go back inside! Is that true? 825 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,919 Presumably it was Eddie Chapman's idea originally. 826 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,839 Then, when he was killed, the braves wouldn't have wanted to lose their arrangement. 827 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,760 So what did they threaten you with? Kill you? Kill Stephanie? 828 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,440 Dad? 829 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:25,519 I want a lawyer. Listen, you talk to us about spike worsley, you won't need one. No. 830 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,599 Whatever you threaten me with, it's nothing compared to... 831 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,519 It was Karen Chapman who attacked me. No, Stephanie! 832 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,799 I'll make a statement. No! I'll stand up in court. 833 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,679 I want those animals out of our lives. 834 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,999 And I want Reese to know what really happened to his dad so he can get away from them. 835 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,520 I don't want us all to be frightened any more. 836 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,720 Tell them what happened. 837 00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,080 Oh, right. 838 00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:02,680 Knowles killed spike. He was the grass. 839 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,039 He said he'd kill Stephanie if anybody found out. 840 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,040 But Eddie did. Eddie found out all about him. 841 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,839 And I warned Knowles, to protect my daughter. 842 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,960 I got my best friend killed. 843 00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:24,279 What's happened to you? 844 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,079 Reese Chapman happened. Are you all right? Yeah, I'm fine. 845 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,759 He's not, though, I broke his nose. He's upstairs making a statement. 846 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,239 Eddie Chapman was killed by Jason Knowles. Yes, we know. 847 00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:37,879 He killed spike worsley too, under orders from York. 848 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:42,039 David parr saw it happen. He'll make a statement. 849 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:47,159 I've been sitting here wondering what to do about Knowles. I mean, he's committed two murders, 850 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,199 and yet if we Nick him then Stuart loses his informant. 851 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:55,959 Two murders. It hardly puts him in the big league as far as Marcus York and the like are concerned. 852 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,959 We can't get York, but we can get Knowles. 853 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:03,439 And you're talking about letting it go?! For the greater good. Is it? 854 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:08,159 Jack, the murder of two particularly nasty gang members set against the possibility 855 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,119 that Knowles could help Barlow bring down an entire criminal organisation. 856 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,799 And then what else do we turn a blind eye to? Exactly. 857 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,959 No, I'm not taking sides here, I'm just going round in circles. 858 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,759 When Barlow's lot move in, Knowles will get done for the murders anyway. 859 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:26,799 He'll set them against all the information he's provided and walk away scot free. 860 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,759 I still think that's a small price to pay to get rid of the braves and their European contacts. 861 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,680 We need to get strickland in on this. 862 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,200 How did you get David parr to talk? 863 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,559 You didn't tell him we know about the drugs? 864 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,560 Brian? 865 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,439 Christ, Brian. What if it hadn't worked? 866 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,559 Parr could have gone straight to the braves and Stuart's operation would be up the spout! 867 00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,959 It is up the spout. 868 00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:04,479 And the dilemma about whether we let Jason Knowles off or not isn't a dilemma any more. 869 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,559 Well, what does that mean? 870 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:14,479 April 6th, 2001, Jason Knowles participated in an armed robbery of a security Van in the old Kent road. 871 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,079 So? There was no such robbery. 872 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,199 It's on his file, Brian. He's got a criminal record. 873 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,039 It didn't happen and neither did any of these assaults he was charged with. 874 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:29,439 What are you talking about, Brian? They're all... They're all on the record but they're not in here. 875 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,399 I have no memory of them. So I've just been checking it out. 876 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:38,759 The judge who supposedly tried the armed robbery case was presiding over a fraud trial at the time, 877 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,440 in a completely different court. Are you saying that the records have been doctored? 878 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,479 Oh, no. 879 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,240 I think you do need to talk to strickland. 880 00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:56,479 I keep doing that and nothing happens. Click on the icon. Which icon? That one, there. 881 00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,919 Proper night owls, you lot, aren't you? Yeah, yeah. That's us, yeah. 882 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,599 What's going on? Uh, I think they're waiting for you, Stuart. 883 00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:05,880 This can't be good. 884 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:15,960 Close the door, Stuart. 885 00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,799 This looks serious. 886 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,799 Jason Knowles. What about him? 887 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,480 He killed Eddie Chapman. 888 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,279 No, he didn't. And he killed spike worsley. 889 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,760 Look, Jack, please! We have a witness. David parr. 890 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:41,759 David parr, the drug smuggler? He's having you on. No. 891 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:46,079 It's not possible. Why not, Stuart? It's just not possible. 892 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,879 It's not possible, because Jason Knowles isn't merely an informant, is he? 893 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,560 He's an undercover police officer. 894 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:04,719 You certain he did this? Yeah. 895 00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:11,119 Following spike worsley's death, Eddie Chapman discovered the truth about Jason Knowles. 896 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,759 How? That's what Chapman was doing in Rotterdam. 897 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,999 Your joint operation with the Dutch police. You share information. 898 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,320 Someone over there leaked it or sold it. 899 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,439 Eddie told David parr what he'd discovered. 900 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:31,159 Parr warned Knowles, because Knowles told him he would kill Stephanie if anyone found out. 901 00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,480 Did you know about this, Stuart? 902 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,160 No. No, I didn't. 903 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,600 I told Jason about Stephanie. 904 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,000 When she first came to see you. I... Told him. 905 00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:53,320 He was one of us. 906 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,159 At some point, I'm afraid, he became one of them. 907 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:03,919 You understand that this means your operation is fatally compromised. 908 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:09,319 Yeah. And there'll almost certainly be an enquiry. Yeah. 909 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,959 No-one wants to believe you had knowledge of any of this. 910 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,120 Happened on my watch, though. Yes, yes, it did. 911 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,240 Good job. 912 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,559 Yeah, cheers, mate. Ta-ra. 913 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,879 Karen Chapman was arrested 20 minutes ago. 914 00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,279 Apparently she went nuts, it took five wooden tops to restrain her. 915 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,479 That's a happy ending of sorts. Not for Stuart Barlow, it isn't. 916 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,559 Even the best of us make mistakes, Sandra. 917 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,800 I'm just glad we were here to clear up the mess! 918 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,999 ♪ It's all right it's ok 919 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,599 ♪ doesn't really matter if you're old and grey 920 00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,159 ♪ it's all right, I say, it's ok 921 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,160 ♪ listen to what I say 922 00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,639 ♪ it's all right, you're doing fine 923 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,399 ♪ it doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine 924 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,119 ♪ it's all right, I say, it's ok 925 00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,520 ♪ we're getting to the end of the day. ♪ 88043

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