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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,159 You bring me to the nicest places. If this case is as open and shut 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,479 as strickland thinks it is, hopefully we won't be here too long. 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,439 So this bloke Davies wants to make a confession 25 years after the event. 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,079 Have we spoken to his mental health officer? 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,759 He does have a link to the missing boy. He was a friend of the family. 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,879 So what? His conscience got the better of him? 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,239 Maybe he found religion when he was inside. 8 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:27,839 Yeah there's got to be another reason for all this. What? 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,079 Oi, oi, paedo! Come out your house, man. Oi, paedo! 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,239 What you hiding behind your door for? You nonce, man. For a start, 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,959 the local wildlife seems... Take this, man. 12 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,200 Let's get out of here, man! 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,480 Wait here. 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,159 Tyres screech 15 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:52,919 are you detective superintendent Pullman? She'll be here in a moment. 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,440 She's just doing a bit of community policing. 17 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,200 Shit, man. 18 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,559 I've just had this jacket cleaned. 19 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,759 I'm arresting you for assaulting a police officer. 20 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,839 ♪ It's all right it's ok 21 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,359 ♪ doesn't really matter if you're old and grey 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,079 ♪ it's all right I say it's ok 23 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,639 ♪ listen to what I say 24 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,239 ♪ it's all right, doing fine 25 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,959 ♪ doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine 26 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:38,359 ♪ it's all right I say it's ok 27 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,840 ♪ we're gettin' to the end of the day. ♪ 28 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,319 Sandra? 29 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,399 Take them to the interview room. I'll be down in a minute. 30 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,719 Anything I should be aware of? 31 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,719 We think they may be part of the reason why Davies 32 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,359 decided to confess. How so? 33 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,759 He's had to move four times since he was released from prison. 34 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,279 So? 35 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,359 That's four times in the last six months. 36 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,079 Every time he settles in someone tips off the locals 37 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,319 and the next thing he knows there's pitchforks and torches 38 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,239 as far as the eye can see. Again. So? 39 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,639 So maybe he feels safer in prison than he does back on the streets. 40 00:02:21,640 --> 00:02:25,719 I'm afraid my concern is for the safety of the streets, not of a convicted paedophile. 41 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,719 Especially one who's confessing to the kidnap and murder of a five-year-old child. 42 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:35,039 Yeah, and I feel the same way too, but I would like to get to the truth before I hand things over to the cps. 43 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,120 And that's what I want you to do, of course. 44 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:44,119 For the tape, mr Davies, can we remind you that you are entitled to legal representation, 45 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,239 but you've decided to waive that right. 46 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,600 I just want to get on with this. Ok? Fine. 47 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:55,199 I want to confess to the kidnap of yasser gorton-blackledge in 1985. 48 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,359 It was me, I took him. 49 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,599 Ok, but why are you confessing now, 25 years later? 50 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,719 Because it's the right thing to do. 51 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,119 I realised that when I was in prison. 52 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,639 I realised I had to pay for what I'd done. 53 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:14,839 Then why didn't you confess when you were still inside? I wish I had. 54 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,719 Really? Because according to your file you applied for parole at the earliest opportunity. 55 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:24,279 You were released because you'd shown willing in all the psychiatric treatment 56 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,359 and rehabilitation opportunities you were offered. 57 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:32,039 Mr Davies, you wrote a ten-page statement in support of your parole application. 58 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:37,039 Listen, I don't belong on the streets. 59 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,319 You need to put me away. Just put me back in prison. 60 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,679 Surprisingly, it's not as simple as that. 61 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,879 We need to know whether you're telling us the truth. I am. 62 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,759 All right, let's start with what happened to yasser. 63 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,479 He was taken from his parents at a protest march and never seen again. Where is he? 64 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,959 All right, where's his body? 65 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,279 It's gone. Gone where? You don't have to give us a map reference, just a general idea. 66 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,639 We'll find it. No, you won't. 67 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,199 I dumped the body at sea. Really? 68 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,719 Yeah. And how did you do that? Did you hire a boat? 69 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,679 How did you get him from London to the coast? Did you have a car? 70 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,559 Provide us with some details. How long did you have him? 71 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:21,959 Could anybody have seen the two of you together? Look, I've confessed. 72 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,759 Isn't that enough for you? 73 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,559 Well, isn't it? No! Because he didn't bloody do it, Gerry. 74 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:32,359 Yeah, but he did plenty of other stuff. You've seen his file. I have, and this crime doesn't fit. 75 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:33,519 She's right. 76 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:38,479 Davies used his position as a teacher to groom adolescent lads, not little children, 77 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,639 and he never kidnapped anyone. 78 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,679 He was cleverer than that. Cleverer? 79 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,599 Ok, sly, mendacious. 80 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,719 He was a different kind of predator, and he never used physical violence on his victims. 81 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,679 That doesn't make me feel any more comfortable about him being back on the streets. 82 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,239 He'd agree with you. He doesn't want to be out. That's why he confessed. 83 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,719 He'd rather see out his days in a safe cell on d-wing than live in fear in a council flat. 84 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,199 So what do we do? Well, he's not going anywhere. 85 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,239 Let's just read the files and take it from there. 86 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,399 April 20th, 1985. 87 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,879 There was a demo against Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. 88 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:20,599 In attendance was the Islington branch of the free Palestine coalition, 89 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:26,199 leading lights of which were husband and wife team Anne gorton and Fred blackledge. 90 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,079 Accompanying them was their young son, yasser. 91 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,999 Named after... 92 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,479 That's obvious, isn't it? 93 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:38,359 Now, the last reported sighting of him was on the north side of westminster bridge. 94 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:43,639 The marchers were crossing from south towards the houses of parliament. This was at 2.00pm. 95 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,879 Hold on, hold on, the kid wasn't reported missing till 8.00pm. 96 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,679 That's how long apparently it took before the parents realised he was missing. 97 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,239 What? God, some parents don't deserve to have kids. 98 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,239 Which is exactly what the press said. 99 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:01,919 Yeah, well, they were very sympathetic at first, you know, playing up the victim angle. 100 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,719 Until this came to light. Look at them. 101 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,279 And then journalists started asking very awkward questions. 102 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:12,839 And answering them. They said that Anne and Fred were dangerous left-wing activists, 103 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:16,319 too obsessed with politics to care for their kid. 104 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,639 They were particularly hard on Anne, saying she'd failed as a mother. 105 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,279 Maybe she did? 106 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:25,159 Yes, I had a call from dac strickland. 107 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,919 He said that Davies had finally done the right thing. 108 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,679 Finally? 109 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,359 It was fairly obvious once we found out about his history. 110 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,959 He lived locally, he'd been to meetings in our home. 111 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,319 Yasser knew him and must have trusted him enough to go with him. 112 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,679 It all makes sense, doesn't it? We'll still have to do a proper investigation. 113 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,359 Wouldn't be a problem for you, would it? 114 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,359 "Miscarriages of British justice," "rough justice in modern britain." 115 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,919 "Are we living in a police state?" 116 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:58,159 I work for a civil liberties campaign group. That's where the real battle lies now. 117 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,919 The day is coming where we won't be able to go anywhere, meet anyone, 118 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,439 say anything without it being recorded and noted down by those in power. 119 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,959 Cctv, Internet monitoring, illegal phone taps. 120 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,799 If you don't do anything wrong, there's nothing to worry about. 121 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,919 Well, it depends who's deciding what's right or wrong, doesn't it? 122 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,759 Still, if there had been cctv on westminster bridge... 123 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,679 Oh, I'm aware of the double-edged sword. 124 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,759 If my son's disappearance had been properly investigated... 125 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:29,399 You don't think it was? I think you let the press do your job for you the first time round. 126 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,759 Well, there'll be no press involvement this time. 127 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,399 But we will need you and your husband to cooperate. 128 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,039 Ex-husband. 129 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,200 Fred and I separated after... 130 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,479 After yasser. 131 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,079 I'm sorry to hear that. 132 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,479 We'd been on different paths for a long time. 133 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,479 Emotionally and politically. 134 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,599 In short, feminism is a fascist movement, 135 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:59,239 hell bent on reducing men to the rank of second-class citizens. 136 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,599 Just as the Jews were demonised by the Nazis, 137 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,359 so the feminazis have waged a propaganda war against a whole gender. 138 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,439 We are violent in the home according to the social workers. 139 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,239 We are obsolete according to the scientists. 140 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:19,799 How long before this fascism is pursued to its inevitable conclusion? 141 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,959 Gender cleansing? 142 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,079 We'll expand on this theme next week. 143 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,120 Please do the reading. Thank you. 144 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,839 That's quite a theory you've got there. 145 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,519 Not theory, fact. 146 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,439 Can I help you? My name's halford, I called your office, I'm from ucos. 147 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:41,839 You're here about yasser? 148 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,039 I'd like to talk to you about the day he went missing. 149 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,159 And about John Davies? Anything you can tell me. 150 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,759 I can tell you the poor bastard was as much a victim as yasser was. 151 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,319 Oh, really? You don't think he did it? 152 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,759 You heard what I had to say about the feminist propaganda machine. 153 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,559 For the last century we've been told over and over that men are predators, 154 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:04,599 just interested in violence and sex, and some men have chosen to believe this, 155 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,839 to allow themselves to be debased by it. Davies was one of them. 156 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:15,039 Ok. Professor blackledge, you were the last person to see yasser alive. 157 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,079 Yes, I didn't know that at the time. 158 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,599 Yasser had been with us all day. He was riding on people's shoulders, banging his drum, 159 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,959 shouting all the slogans. 160 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,359 When we got to westminster tube, Anne decided she wanted to go home. She had a headache. 161 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,399 I thought she'd taken yasser with her. 162 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,159 Yasser was having such a good time, 163 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,519 I didn't want to take him home and spoil it. 164 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:42,279 Did you say that to Fred? I said, "yasser will be ok?" 165 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,159 And he nodded. 166 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,959 But he thought I meant yasser would be ok with me. 167 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,959 I suppose it was an easy mistake to make. 168 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,719 And then you just went home? 169 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,999 I took a couple of aspirin, 170 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,559 made some food for when they got back, 171 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:02,720 and sat in the garden with a cup of tea. 172 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,079 Then Fred came home. 173 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,839 I thought she was joking at first. 174 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,319 I thought he was upstairs in his bed, I even went up to check. 175 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,919 But then... 176 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,679 It felt like the bottom had fallen out of my world. 177 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:19,439 So you called the police? 178 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,519 That's when it got real. 179 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:26,679 First few days we thought of him as just lost, that he'd turn up, 180 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:31,679 one way or another, but then the police started talking about him as a missing child. 181 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:35,319 Not lost, taken. 182 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,759 The river police trawled up and down that part of the thames. 183 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,919 They handed out photos in the area. 184 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,719 Nothing. 185 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,079 Then they advised us to involve the press, 186 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,599 get the word out. 187 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,279 But of course, that backfired. 188 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:51,919 The coverage was pretty damning. 189 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,559 Not until Jamie Peters sold them that picture. 190 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:56,799 Hold on, who was Jamie Peters? 191 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,839 A comrade, or so we thought. 192 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,359 He'd been part of the campaign for years. 193 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,799 Totally dedicated to the cause. 194 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,999 I'd like to know how much the press paid for that picture. 195 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,559 And why didn't he sell them one of yasser on Fred's shoulders, or holding my hand? 196 00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:15,719 I think you know the answer to that. 197 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,959 The journalists spoke to our friends, our family, trying to find some dirt on us. 198 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,399 And when they couldn't, they made it up. 199 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,719 They crucified us day after day. 200 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,639 How long after that were you and Fred divorced? 201 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,159 About 18 months. 202 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,439 We were so careful with each other at first, 203 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,639 walking on eggshells. 204 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,159 And then one night the dam broke and it all came out. 205 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:52,599 I blamed him, he blamed me, we threw in a few other issues just to make it hurt that little bit more 206 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,319 and then it was over, 207 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,919 and he left. 'I learnt a valuable lesson.' 208 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,079 men are always to blame. Just pick up a paper. 209 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:07,479 We cause war, famine, economic meltdown, while women are blameless. 210 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,519 Well, that's all we've been told, over and over again. 211 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,599 Well, there's probably a reason... Take the global warming myth. 212 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,239 They call it man-made climate change. 213 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,199 Man-made. As if a woman never drove a car or took a flight. 214 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,439 You see, this is what we're fighting against. 215 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,120 It's a woman's world, and we just live in it. 216 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,799 You do realise that, don't you? 217 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,559 What a load of bollocks. 218 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:36,359 I can't believe they let him teach. 219 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,959 And write books. 220 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:43,799 Loads of them about Soviet Russia, China, fidel Castro. 221 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:49,199 Then he goes all middle eastern and publishes a couple about gaza and the zionist conspiracy. 222 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,879 Oooh, then it's all about those pesky feminists. 223 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,679 How's this for a title? 224 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:56,719 The secret war on modern men. 225 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,359 Sounds good. 226 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,959 Stick to your cook books, Gerry. Yeah, you'd like that, wouldn't you? 227 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,679 Me tied to a kitchen sink, seen and not heard. 228 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:08,719 I'm not sure I buy all this misunderstanding on westminster bridge. 229 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,639 Nah, one of them would have said goodbye, told him who was looking after him. 230 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,399 I think one of them's lying. 231 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,879 Or both of them. It's a very convenient way to provide each other with an alibi. 232 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,399 You think they killed their son? 233 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,159 Maybe not on purpose, but I don't think we should rule it out. 234 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:29,359 Has anyone considered that little unsupervised yasser might just have wandered away? 235 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,959 I know they trawled the river, but that was six hours later. 236 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,599 I've been thinking about that. I've been on a few demos in me time. 237 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,319 Have you? Oh, yes, when Esther and I were courting. 238 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,359 She was quite the ragged-trousered philanthropist in her day. 239 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,919 Those demos were always heavily policed. Especially around westminster. 240 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,799 Tell me about it. 241 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,319 You went on a demo? I can believe it of him. 242 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,439 No, in uniform! 243 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:55,759 Yeah, keeping the peace. 244 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,719 Actually I spent the whole day being called a pig or a capitalist running dog. "Kill the police!" 245 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,799 Yeah, they're all the same, that lot. 246 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,399 Who do they run to when their bikes get nicked? 247 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:10,319 Well, just to be sure, I looked up the met's policing guidelines for demos at the time. 248 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,879 There's a memo from the chief constable a week before suggesting that cover was doubled 249 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,279 on westminster bridge and around parliament. 250 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,599 Not the best place to snatch a child. 251 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,039 Maybe he did just wander off? 252 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,919 In which case, I think we need to track down all the other people on that march with Fred and Anne 253 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,479 and ask them what they remember seeing. 254 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:30,760 There we are. 255 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,959 Well, what's the matter with it? No, nothing, it looks lovely. 256 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:46,999 It's just... 257 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,519 I remember a time when this was the last thing you'd want to be doing. What? 258 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,999 Getting the tea on the table in time for your husband coming home. 259 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,679 What was it you and your gang used to call it? 260 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,439 Domestic slavery. 261 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,399 Well, that was a long time ago. 262 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,119 You were going to defeat the forces of oppression, that was it. 263 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,919 So what happened? 264 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:11,159 What happens to most people. We got married, we had Mark, real life! 265 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,559 Esther, you were going to lead a revolution! 266 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,079 No, I wasn't! Well, you went to all the meetings. 267 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,879 Yeah, along with some student teachers, an ageing social worker, 268 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,319 and that woman who used to sell woolly hats at Camden market. 269 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,759 That's who I was going to Manning the barricades with. Yeah, still... 270 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,720 We'd all have been dead by teatime. 271 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,079 Morning, ma'am. Morning. 272 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,759 Mr Davies? Are you waiting for me? Yes. 273 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:46,519 I was wondering if you were going to be arresting me today? Probably not. 274 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,919 Why not? 275 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,759 What do I need to do to get you to believe me? 276 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,279 Provide some evidence. 277 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,000 Tell us where to find the body. Give us some details. 278 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,959 Well, it's me own fault. 279 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,079 I've domesticated her. 280 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,799 Stolen her fire. 281 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,760 Oh, I don't know. I think your Esther's still got plenty of that. 282 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,919 Hello, you, um, wanted to see me? Gillian withall? 283 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,279 That's right. I'm Jack halford, this is Brian Lane. How do you do? 284 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:32,279 Hello. Were you ever a member of the Islington branch of the free Palestine campaign? 285 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,319 Oh, god, in another life. Erm, 20-odd years ago. 286 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,479 We'd like to talk to you about the disappearance of yasser gorton-blackledge. 287 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:44,399 Right. You better come through. Thank you. 288 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,799 I met Fred at north London university. 289 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:53,959 You were a student? No, no, no, I was a nurse at the university health centre dishing out pills - 290 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,799 pregnancy tests and penicillin. 291 00:16:55,800 --> 00:17:00,399 It was the summer of '84 and the students had occupied the building as a protest. 292 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,879 Protest about what? 293 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:07,159 They were going to occupy the building until Israel stopped occupying Palestine. 294 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,879 Well, that worked(!) 295 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,679 I was there as a first aider. I had no interest in politics at all 296 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,439 and then I got talking to Fred. 297 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,319 Next thing I know I'm going to meetings and demos and... 298 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,879 Looking back on it, I think it was all a bit of a distraction. From what? 299 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,959 I'd just been through a divorce. 300 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,399 It was nice to have some new friends. You remember yasser, do you? Of course. 301 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,079 Poor little thing. How so? 302 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:32,799 Well... 303 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,359 It didn't surprise me that he wandered off. 304 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:38,119 He never had any boundaries. 305 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:42,519 The house was always full of strangers for meetings and demos. 306 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,719 He went to all the rallies and protests. 307 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:49,319 I mean, maybe it was just a matter of time before something happened. 308 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,879 So, you would agree with what the press said about Anne and Fred? 309 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,879 They were negligent parents? I wouldn't go as far as that. 310 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,639 How far would you go? I just think 311 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:03,399 they didn't realise how lucky they were to have yasser until it was too late. 312 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,279 What about John Davies? 313 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,519 Do you think he showed any inappropriate attention to yasser? 314 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,159 No, no, not as far as I remember. 315 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,999 To be honest, he was only ever at a couple of the meetings, 316 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,079 and then I think he came out of politeness. What do you mean? 317 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,999 Well, he was a teacher at the local school. 318 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,279 Was he? It doesn't bear thinking about. 319 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:27,759 Anne was on the board of governors, I think she nagged him into coming to a couple of the meetings. 320 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,479 The thing about Fred and Anne is they always assumed 321 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,159 that everyone was as committed to the cause as they were. 322 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,399 They didn't realise that some people would just 323 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,079 pick up a leaflet or sign a petition just to get them off their backs. 324 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:43,239 And on this the demo, was Davies there? Not as far as I remember, no. 325 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,439 After yasser went missing, how did Anne and Fred seem? 326 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,719 I have no idea. The demo was the last time I saw any of the group. 327 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,519 It was sort of like my leaving party. 328 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,199 Big party. Where were you going? Sudan. 329 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,079 I'd volunteered to work as a nurse in the refugee camps. 330 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,519 Wow, that was brave. Very admirable. 331 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,839 I would never have dreamt of doing it if it hadn't been for Fred and Anne. 332 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,159 They certainly broadened my horizons. 333 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,039 How long were you there? 334 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:17,519 Two hard, dirty, traumatic, amazing years. 335 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,919 It was the best and worst thing I've ever done. I still miss it. 336 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,719 Why did you come back? 337 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,119 I wanted my son to have a British education. 338 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:27,239 Oh, you have a son? 339 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,959 Was he a friend of yasser's? 340 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,159 Did Davies ever talk to him? No, no, no, I didn't have him then. 341 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,439 So you were pregnant while you were working in the refugee camps? 342 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,599 That must have been hard. I'm surprised you weren't just sent home. 343 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,280 No, you don't understand. I adopted will while I was out there 344 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,879 quite a souvenir to bring back, eh? Better than a stick of rock. 345 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,999 I'm hoping he might have other pictures from that day. Crowd shots maybe. 346 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,039 Featuring your local neighbourhood nonce, John Davies! 347 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,399 Well, that would be extremely helpful, but I won't hold my breath. 348 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,519 No, I'm more interested in seeing whether that shot was taken out of context 349 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,999 or whether they really were being negligent. 350 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,679 Yeah, that's the one there. At least I hope it is. 351 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,039 He was living here in '85 and I've got no record of him moving 352 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,280 you know how I love a long shot. 353 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,999 Hello, detective superintendent Pullman. Does Jamie Peters live here? 354 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,919 Er, he does, but he's away with work at the moment. Can I get him to call you? 355 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,679 Yeah, thanks, I'll give you my card. Will he know what it's about? 356 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,199 Yeah, it's about yasser gorton-blackledge, 357 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,999 who went missing in 1985. 358 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,799 Oh, ok. He'll be in touch. 359 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,399 Cheers. Bye-bye. 360 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:46,919 Thank you. Bye. 361 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,599 Long shot paid off. 362 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:55,039 We spoke to several members of the group and they all said pretty much the same thing. 363 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,959 Thank you. They weren't bad parents. 364 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,479 Just a bit distracted? 365 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,879 Yeah, we got the same story. 366 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,919 And as for yasser, 367 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,599 he was just happy to go along for the ride. 368 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,439 Very self-reliant. Maybe he had to be. 369 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,959 Gillian withall described him as lonely. 370 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,799 And? Well, lonely boys are easy prey for predators. 371 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,599 A few kind words, a bag of sweets... 372 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,559 But hardly any of them even remembered Davies. 373 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,039 And those that did don't remember him being interested in yasser. 374 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,919 Of course they wouldn't notice. I mean, what did you call him? Mendacious? 375 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,239 These blokes are smart. They know how to keep under the radar. 376 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,919 I mean, how long was he a teacher before anyone knew what was going on? Best part of ten years. 377 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:39,839 Yeah, and that's why we've got this surveillance culture that Anne gorton campaigns against. 378 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,640 Some people need to be under surveillance. 379 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,199 What now? He says he's got some new information for us. 380 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,759 Go on. 381 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,479 Yasser had a toy car with him when I took him. A little red one. 382 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,199 And where is it now? 383 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,479 I don't know. 384 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:05,679 You don't have it? 385 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,559 No. It must be with the body. 386 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,679 Which is at sea! Ask Anne gorton about it. 387 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,479 Ask her. She'll tell you. 388 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,880 I'll be at home when you're ready to arrest me. 389 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:21,999 Sandra? 390 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,559 Are you here to talk about John Davies? 391 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:30,239 Actually, I'm here to ask why you were knocking on the door of an mi5 safe house this morning. 392 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,479 I wasn't aware I was. 393 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,159 You asked for a Jamie Peters? 394 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,799 That's an active alias for one of their agents. 395 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,320 Oh, is it now? 396 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,159 Mi5. Who would have thought? 397 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,519 Mind you, I've always fancied a look inside. 398 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,559 Yeah, it would make a nice change to interfere in one of their cases instead of the other way round. 399 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,839 I expect there'll be some serious security though. 400 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,439 Retina scans, full-body metal detectors. 401 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,840 Come on, let's get on with it. 402 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,120 There you go. 403 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,679 Thank you. Is that it? 404 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,119 Yes. Richard will take you down. 405 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:22,919 This way, gentlemen. After you, miss Moneypenny. 406 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,039 You see, that's a mistake a lot of people make. 407 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,719 What? James Bond was actually MI6. 408 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,399 MI6 are the spies. 409 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,039 Mi5 are the spy catchers. 410 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,479 We've given you temporary low-level clearance. 411 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,879 So, I am able to tell you that Jamie Peters was an operative in the '80s 412 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,239 tasked with intelligence gathering within fringe political organisations. 413 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:50,279 Anne gorton, Fred blackledge and the free palestinian group were placed under surveillance 414 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:56,399 because we believed at the time that they had links to other less benign groups in the middle east. Did they? 415 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,119 Probably not. They did have an unusual amount 416 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:05,079 of contact with foreign nationals, but they were usually just overseas students they'd taken in as lodgers. 417 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,119 Fred blackledge did visit a few hot spots. 418 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:11,039 China, Cuba, east Germany, the Soviet union. 419 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,879 Yeah, well, he was writing books about those places. 420 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,919 And what happened to our man in Islington? 421 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,079 Jamie was reassigned after the boy disappeared 422 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,159 to avoid his becoming embroiled in the metropolitan police's investigation. 423 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,039 To explain the sudden withdrawal from the gorton-blackledge social circle 424 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,879 we released some photos to the press in Jamie's name. 425 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,760 And made it look like he'd sold them down the river and couldn't face them. 426 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,079 Dirty trick. 427 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,480 Unfortunate operational necessity. 428 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,639 So, these are the surveillance files and Jamie's notes. Take as long you like. 429 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,559 Nice piles, neat piles. Anything else? 430 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,839 Yeah, you couldn't point us in the direction of the nearest tea machine could you? 431 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,280 Afraid not. Classified. 432 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:06,959 Thank you. Did yasser have a favourite toy? 433 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,879 Yes, a little red car. 434 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,759 His grandad gave it to him. He loved it. 435 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,519 Who else know about it? No-one. 436 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,039 Do you still have it? 437 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,159 No. 438 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,319 No, he must have sneaked it into his pocket before we left for the march. 439 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,279 It was a couple of weeks before I realised. 440 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,599 I wasn't able to go into his room at first. 441 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,120 I didn't want anyone to disturb it, in case... 442 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:42,919 I just wanted everything to be as he'd left it when he came home. Of course you did. 443 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,639 When I did finally go in, 444 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,639 I realised that it wasn't there. 445 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,479 Did anyone else know it was missing? 446 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,600 No. Just me and Fred. 447 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,879 Aren't Laurel and Hardy back yet? No. 448 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,919 Tell them to stop wasting their time. I'm bringing Davies in. Sandra! 449 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,559 No-one else knew about the car. 450 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,519 He didn't do it. I pulled his education department record. 451 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,039 On the day of the march he was in a school disciplinary meeting 452 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,159 accused of inappropriate behaviour towards a pupil. 453 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,839 A boy of 15. 454 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,439 And he talked his way out of it? 455 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,279 He claimed the boy made the accusation because he'd put him in detention. 456 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:27,079 The headmaster gave him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't think he was too comfortable about it, 457 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,839 cos Davies was persuaded to move on. 458 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,719 To another school? Great(!) 459 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,359 That's why Anne and Fred didn't see him again. 460 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:36,599 No, our first instincts were right. He had nothing to do with it. 461 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,279 But why make a false confession? 462 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,079 And how the hell did he know about this little red car? 463 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,439 Well, he knew about it today, but his memory wasn't so sharp yesterday. 464 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,039 Yes, so where's he getting his information from? 465 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,560 Come on. 466 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,119 You should have arrested me. 467 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,999 No, I shouldn't. We know you didn't do it. 468 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,959 We know you were at a school meeting on the day of the demo. 469 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,319 However, I am thinking of charging you with wasting police time. 470 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,959 Anything to say? 471 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,879 Look, if you just wanted to be relocated... 472 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,999 What would be the bloody point of that? He'd just find me. 473 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,119 Who would? Anthony Vernon. 474 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,039 And who's he? 475 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,359 I don't know! Just some nutter. 476 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:39,079 I don't know how he knows who I am, but he does. 477 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,079 And wherever they put me, he's there. 478 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:46,479 He talks to the neighbours, tells them who... what I am. 479 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:51,119 So, you thought you'd confess to yasser's murder and get put out of harm's way? 480 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,119 No, that was his idea. 481 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:54,999 Anthony Vernon told you to confess? 482 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,479 I confronted him, 483 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,799 I asked him why he was doing this to me. 484 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,319 He said he knew that I'd taken yasser. 485 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,959 I told him it was nothing to do with me, he was having none of it, 486 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,800 threatened to make the rest of my life a misery if I didn't hand myself in. 487 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,640 After six months of him I just wanted to be somewhere safe. 488 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,320 I thought you'd jump at the chance to put away a pervert. 489 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,519 He went mad when I told him you weren't interested in me. 490 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,239 That's when he told me to come back and tell you about the toy car. 491 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,959 He fed you that information? 492 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,800 Yeah. And when that didn't work... 493 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,359 I assume this young lady is here to take your statement. 494 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,760 Yes I am, sir. We'll be in touch. 495 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,479 Cor, blimey, I thought being a spy would be exciting. 496 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,439 Can you imagine, five years of going to boring meetings pretending to be interested? 497 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,479 Making a note of everyone who turns up. 498 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,359 He even goes about who brought the biscuits in this one. 499 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,519 Yeah, I don't remember that bit about custard creams in goldfinger, do you? 500 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,119 I mean, most of this is just gossip. 501 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,079 There's quite a bit about Fred and Anne's marriage. 502 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,759 Well, she was knocking off the lodgers, weren't she? What? 503 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,599 Yeah, here, in this one, there. 504 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,359 Mind you, it is 1981. So it's hardly relevant. 505 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,959 It's got to be more interesting than another discussion about zionism. 506 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,759 Oh, I see! 507 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:40,239 So while poor old Fred was freezing his baltics off in Moscow, she found another way of keeping warm. 508 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,759 Gives a whole new meaning to bed and breakfast. Doesn't it, though? What? 509 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:51,319 Well, I was just thinking, it wasn't just Davies who had the chance to get to know yasser, gain his trust. 510 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:56,319 What, the lodgers, you mean? Well, it's the most interesting thing in these files, 511 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:01,239 unless you consider the very nice garibaldis they had on the 13th of November. 512 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,799 I don't know. 513 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,679 I found a familiar name here. Who's? 514 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,999 No, I don't think I should show you. Why ever not? 515 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,239 According to what I've just read, you're a potential security risk. What, there's stuff about me there? 516 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,800 Brian, how well do you know Esther? 517 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,919 I'm married to her, Gerry. 518 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,680 It's called deep cover. 519 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,599 Where? It's just more stuff about these meetings, innit? 520 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,919 Gerry laughs that's not amusing. 521 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,839 Oh, I don't know. 522 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:38,159 I wonder how Esther would feel about you being so quick to believe she's a double agent. 523 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,279 Right, come on. Let's go and see this lusty landlady, eh? 524 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:48,279 Mr Vernon, I'm sure you're aware that perverting the course of justice is a serious offence. Of course. 525 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,559 Then perhaps you'd care to explain why you forced John Davies 526 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,439 into confessing to a crime he didn't commit. I didn't. 527 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,639 We have a statement of that effect from mr Davies. 528 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,119 Oh, right. That's Davies the convicted paedophile? 529 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,639 His previous convictions have no bearing on this case. 530 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,159 Yeah, and I'm a sure a jury of my peers will agree. 531 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,279 Everyone knows you can always trust a kiddie Fiddler. 532 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,799 What about doctors? How do you think they go down with a jury? 533 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,439 Because the facial injuries that Davies is recovering from tell their own story. 534 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,559 I don't know what you're talking about. 535 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,759 You see, what I don't understand is why this particular case? 536 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,479 Why did you want him to confess to the killing of yasser gorton-blackledge? 537 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,239 As I've told you, I didn't. I've never even heard of... 538 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,599 Do you have any links to the family, mr Vernon? 539 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,159 Cos you passed on some details that only somebody close to them would know. Care to explain why? 540 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,559 No. Sure about that? Yeah, positive. 541 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,560 Chief superintendent? 542 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,199 Davies has dropped the assault charge. Why? 543 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,879 It was an accident, he fell over his cat. 544 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,400 Shit. 545 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,400 You're free to go. 546 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,919 Am I supposed to be surprised? 547 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:01,559 Of course mi5 were watching us. 548 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,159 It must have been a very dull assignment for Jamie. All we did was talk. 549 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,639 They were very interested in your lodgers. 550 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,599 You know, the foreign students you had staying with you. 551 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,719 We were on a digs list at the university. 552 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,239 For the most part they were nice boys who needed a bed and a friendly face. 553 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,079 You were a little bit more than friendly. 554 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,319 It was a complicated time in our marriage. 555 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,599 Fred was overseas a lot. I got lonely. Yeah, I think we can understand that. 556 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,479 I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what this has to do with my son. 557 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,039 We didn't take in students after yasser was born. We didn't have the room. 558 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,919 Did you keep in touch with any of them? The odd postcard. 559 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,959 One or two stayed in the UK after they'd finished their courses. They'd pop in. 560 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,319 Thinking back, would you say that any of them may have posed a danger to your son? 561 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,360 No. Why would you? 562 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,119 Because they were foreign? 563 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:56,159 Dear god! Some things never change. No, because they had access to your home. 564 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,839 They were almost part of the family. You're barking up the wrong tree. 565 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,799 There's absolutely no need for you to start disrupting their lives. 566 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,519 It's just a line of enquiry. 567 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,239 Well, it's offensive. 568 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,799 And I'd like you to leave. 569 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,599 Typical bloody lefty to play the race card. 570 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,799 I don't care if her lodgers are foreigners. I don't care if they're extraterrestrials. 571 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,839 And I don't think that's what it was all about. She was covering? 572 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,639 Well, she seemed very uncomfortable about us contacting any of them. 573 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:28,639 Why? Because of the affairs? No! Once she and Fred got divorced that's water under the bridge. 574 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,199 Yeah, but at the time, maybe it all boiled over? 575 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,999 So you think things got violent? I don't know. 576 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,559 Fred does have strong opinions about domestic violence. 577 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,559 I just think it's another thing to add to their list of distractions 578 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,799 politics, a broken marriage... It's like Jack said from the off. 579 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,479 I mean, this story gives a very convenient alibi for the both of them. 580 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,279 Go back to Gillian withall, she seems to have known them the longest and the best. 581 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,999 Would anyone be surprised to hear that Anthony Vernon has got a history of violence? 582 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,479 Not really. Go on. His ex-wife has a restraining order against him. 583 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,079 He's not allowed within 20 feet of her, or the children. 584 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,359 The kids as well? That's unusual. 585 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,199 Do you think she'll speak to us? We can but try. But why should we? 586 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,239 Well, I've got nowhere with the man himself. 587 00:34:13,240 --> 00:34:16,520 I want to know why he wanted Davies to confess to this case specifically. 588 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,319 Karen Vernon? Detective superintendent Pullman, this is Jack halford. 589 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,200 Come in. Thank you. 590 00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:29,479 Thank you. 591 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,159 It's not the first time I've spoken to the police about Tony. I'm sorry. 592 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,759 It's ok. He can't touch me now. 593 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,359 Not physically, or in any other way. 594 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,199 I'm glad to hear it. It's when he threatened the boys. 595 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,759 It was like he switched something off in me. 596 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,799 He said if I ever left him, he'd kill me and make the kids watch 597 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,119 it took me three months to save up enough money and then find a place to run to. 598 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,039 We haven't seen him since. 599 00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,919 He's tried. He dragged me through the law courts, but it's his temper. 600 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,359 Punched his solicitor the last time. Not a smart move. 601 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,239 The thing is, he's not stupid. 602 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:11,399 He used to be a journalist. But he kept losing it with the editors, so he never made it to the nationals. 603 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,679 So he worked for a local paper. Which one? 604 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,360 Oh, different ones. In 1985? 605 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,719 Islington gazette I think. 606 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:23,999 He only lasted about a year on that one. 607 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,280 Did he ever work on a story about a little boy who was abducted? 608 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,359 Yasser gorton-blackledge? Yeah. 609 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,559 Is that what this is about? 610 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,279 He was obsessed with that story. 611 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:43,279 He was the first on the scene. He had a contact at the police station that tipped him off. 612 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,719 He door-stepped the parents and sold the story to the nationals. 613 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:49,039 He thought it was his big chance. But it wasn't? 614 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,119 No, they just paid him for the first report and then sent in their own hacks. 615 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,479 He tried to follow up the story, though. 616 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,479 He did an interview with the dad. 617 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,119 Er, Fred? 618 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,319 Yeah, when was this? 619 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,399 '95, it's the year we left. Ten years later. It was a sort of anniversary piece. 620 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,199 He couldn't sell it, though. No-one was interested. 621 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,919 He must have been bitter about that. Yeah. 622 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,760 I had two black eyes and a broken rib to prove it. 623 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,840 Oh, what have you got? 624 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,480 Look at me there! Oh, this brings back some memories. 625 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,199 Oh, there's Jane longthorn. 626 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,119 I wonder what happened to her. 627 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,919 Who knows? 628 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,279 Might be married, couple of children. 629 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:48,159 Probably. Or she could be under deep cover in a former Soviet state. 630 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,319 Depends what her next mission was and if she chose to accept it. 631 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,599 What on earth are you talking about? 632 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,559 Infiltration! 633 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:02,799 You do realise that any of your so-called sisters could have been working for the security services? 634 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,559 Reporting your every move back to the powers that be? 635 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,039 Don't be so ridiculous. They wouldn't have been interested in me. 636 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:15,159 That might be, but you remember, you dragged me along to a couple of those meetings, and some marches. 637 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,839 Me! A serving officer of the law. Yeah. 638 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,639 Well, they probably thought you were trying to turn me into a sleeper. 639 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,879 A manchurian candidate. 640 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,919 Brian, have you taken your tablets today? 641 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,959 They might still be listening! 642 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,839 You're still an activist, aren't you? 643 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,919 You went to a political meeting only last week. 644 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,479 Yes, about the closing of the post office. 645 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,119 Even so. I do remember! 646 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:43,359 There was some talk of bringing down the government and stringing up a few royals from the lampposts! 647 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,400 This isn't a joke. 648 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,039 No, I know. That's what worries me. 649 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,959 I'm going to bed. 650 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,799 Don't be long. 651 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,600 Monotone: Yes, and I'm going to bed now myself and all. 652 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:09,239 It's not just the potential invasion of my civil liberties, or my rights as a private citizen. 653 00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:14,439 I can't stop thinking about how being an enemy of the state might have held me back. 654 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:20,279 What lists does my name appear on, and what opportunities have I missed as a result? 655 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,359 I'm telling you, I could have been held back all this time. 656 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,799 Held back from what? Promotion! 657 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,559 I might have been commissioner by now for all we know. 658 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,559 I don't think it was the secret service that held you back. 659 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,399 No, that was the misandry of the global gynarchy oppressing the male 660 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,639 and allowing him to deny his natural position of authority. 661 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,519 What the hell are you reading? 662 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,359 One of Fred blackledge's books. 663 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,639 I mean it's well over the top in places, but there's a lot he says rings a bell with me. 664 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:52,719 I mean, I've spent my whole life being told what to do by women. 665 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:58,759 Yeah, wives, daughters, detective superintendent Sandra Pullman. Hold on, I'm reading that. 666 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,879 Yeah, I know. That's the problem. 667 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,879 Gerry, with me. 668 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,600 I rest my case. 669 00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:14,519 Yes, I was aware of my wife's behaviour while I was away. 670 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,599 I found out when I returned home a day early from a trip to Havana. 671 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,239 She was in bed with her latest. It was quite the cliche. 672 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:25,319 Still upsetting. At the time, yes, but now I understand. 673 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,519 Understand what? The myth of the biological imperative. 674 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,919 Are you familiar? Refresh my memory. 675 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,639 We are told over and over that men are the promiscuous gender, that we are driven by sex. 676 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,679 The fact is that both genders are driven by sex. 677 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,319 The difference is that women cut off that drive when they 678 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,239 have secured what it was they were looking for all along. 679 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:50,079 Which is? A child. The truth is that women do not have sex for pleasure. 680 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,039 The truth? Now I understand if you find that distressing 681 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,639 but that's only because you are conditioned to believe that you enjoy sex. 682 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,719 Conditioned by who? Capitalist forces. The market. 683 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:03,119 The pharmaceutical companies that make you reliant on the pill. 684 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,119 The cosmetic companies that say you have to be desirable. 685 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,039 The feminazi magazines who peddle the lies of dr grafenburg and his ilk. 686 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,999 Doctor? 687 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,639 Grafenburg. The inventor of the g-spot? And I do mean inventor. 688 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,879 Ok, let me see if I've got this right. 689 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,839 When women don't enjoy themselves in bed, 690 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,399 it's not the fault of the man. It's social conditioning? 691 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,599 Exactly! Well done. So when your wife looked elsewhere 692 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,319 because you weren't satisfying her, that wasn't your fault? 693 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,839 Maybe you haven't completely understood. Maybe not. 694 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,479 All I know is that once my wife had her child, she lost all interest in anything sexual. 695 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,879 She had no desire... for you? 696 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,239 For sexual pleasure. 697 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,399 It simply wasn't on her list of priorities any more. 698 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,920 Guv'nor! I see. Guv'nor! What? 699 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,359 Oh, everyone knew about the affairs. 700 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,479 Anne didn't do anything to hide them. 701 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,719 It was her way of getting back at Fred for leaving her alone for weeks on end. 702 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,319 So, they were just casual affairs? 703 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,119 It was sort of like a holiday romance only Fred was the one having the holiday. 704 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:16,039 She could get quite intense about her young men but then as soon as Fred came home... 705 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,439 Were the young men as intense as she was? 706 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,719 What do you think? 707 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:23,839 There was one that went a bit puppy dog. 708 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:29,239 Harry actually was pretty smitten and I did think she might do something stupid with him. 709 00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:30,799 Like leave Fred? 710 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,039 Maybe. But then Fred came home and caught them at it. 711 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,719 He went mad and threw Harry out. 712 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,999 Which was obviously exactly what Anne wanted all along. 713 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,079 Really? She might have been a feminist but she still wanted a caveman. 714 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,279 She just wanted him to show her that he cared. 715 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,719 After that it was all happy families. 716 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:50,999 Especially when yasser came along. 717 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,439 She didn't know how lucky she was to have all that. 718 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,439 Still, she didn't deserve to lose it. 719 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,079 No, no, of course not. 720 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,399 Mum, can you come and take some blood? 721 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,359 Sorry, I didn't realise you had visitors. Oh, that's ok. 722 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,039 We're just about to leave. 723 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,919 You must be Gillian's son? That's right. Dr William withall. 724 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,040 But most people just call me will. 725 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,679 Quite a medical family, aren't you? 726 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,479 Is your brother a doctor as well? 727 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,119 I don't have a brother. 728 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,439 My mistake, sorry. Shall we... 729 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:25,960 Why not. 730 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,359 Far be it from me to not be politically correct... 731 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,599 I think I know what you're going to say, but go on. 732 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,399 When you adopt from Africa don't they usually give you a black baby? 733 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,719 So, what is it about Fred blackledge that you find so damn fascinating? 734 00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:48,559 You wouldn't understand. Why, because I'm a woman? 735 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,679 Yeah. Yeah that is exactly it. You've not been oppressed. 736 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,159 You don't know what it's like to live in a world 737 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,719 of emasculation created by feminism! No, I suppose not. Fred has. 738 00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:01,559 He understands, you see, how the system is weighted against us now. 739 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,439 How the pendulum has swung too far. 740 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,879 He understands because he's experienced it. 741 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,039 He has experienced the loss of a child... 742 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,159 Yes, but the way you lost your children is very different. 743 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,079 I told you. You don't understand. 744 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,640 Apparently not. So, wasn't Davies part of the brotherhood? 745 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,159 You tried to pin a murder on him. Because he did it. No, mr Vernon. 746 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,519 Yeah, Fred told me about his suspicions in '95. The anniversary interview? 747 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,479 The interview that changed my life. 748 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,919 You see, he was just developing his theories, his philosophy back then. 749 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,719 But what little he told me 750 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:37,679 set me free from my guilt, from my torment. 751 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,119 And ever since I've been... well, finding a way to repay the favour. 752 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,999 Then I heard that Davies was out. 753 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,519 How did you hear? I was a journalist I have my contacts. 754 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,759 You know that he only served half of his sentence? 755 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,919 He was a model prisoner. He's a sick bastard. 756 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,439 Maybe, but he's not a murderer. 757 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,959 Looks like you'll have to find some other sacrifice for the master. 758 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,200 This is... 759 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,359 Oh, for god's sake! 760 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,439 Have you read any of this crap? 761 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,479 Well, you know me, guv'nor, not a big reader. 762 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,719 It's one thing to hear him spouting the rubbish, 763 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:12,199 but to see it in black and white. 764 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,159 Listen to this. "In divorces, the father should get automatic 765 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:21,119 "custody of their sons so that they are not exposed to the gender war propaganda of their mothers." 766 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,999 No wonder he was able to recruit Anthony Vernon. 767 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,959 I still don't think he put Vernon up to framing John Davies though. 768 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,919 No, neither do I. 769 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,679 Vernon's just an extremist who wanted to show devotion 770 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,159 to his hero and I also don't think he had anything to do with yasser's death. 771 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,639 You're right about that. Because we don't think that yasser is dead. 772 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,959 Ok, there is no record of an official adoption. 773 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,639 That doesn't mean anything, Jack. 774 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,559 But there is a record of another child. 775 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,119 Born to Gillian in December 1980. 776 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,639 Died February 1981. 777 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,679 Three months? Gawd, poor cow. 778 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,079 She did say she'd been going through a bad time before hooking up with Anne and Fred. 779 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,559 A marriage break-up - sounds like we've found the cause. 780 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,119 And the name of the child that died was William. 781 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,079 So, a couple of days after yasser goes missing, Gillian goes to Africa 782 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,839 and comes back two years later with a white son. 783 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,039 She kept saying that Anne didn't realise how lucky she was to have yasser. 784 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,079 Maybe she decided to prove her point and take him away. 785 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,639 We'll pursue this line of enquiry but I want to handle it with kid gloves. 786 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,199 I don't want to confront a bereaved mother until we've done a bit of digging. 787 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,159 We should talk to he ex-husband. See if they kept in touch. 788 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,680 Yeah, bring him in tomorrow morning. 789 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,319 Brian! What are you doing now? 790 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,679 I'm looking for listening devices. What? 791 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,559 Do you remember when we had that squariel fitted years ago? 792 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,439 I think that's when they might have done it! What?! 793 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,959 Oh, don't look at me like that, Esther! 794 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,839 I wouldn't need to do this if it wasn't for you and your radical politics. 795 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,159 Hang on. You went to those meetings as well! 796 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,839 I was... I was trying to impress you. 797 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,359 I had no interest in politics! 798 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,639 Oh, for god's sake, give me that. 799 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,280 If I'd have known it was going to ruin me career... 800 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:46,839 I beg your pardon? 801 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,639 Nothing. Are you trying to say that I've been holding you back? 802 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,960 Not on purpose. 803 00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,439 Would you like to talk about what ruined your career? 804 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,039 Would you like to talk about the drinking? 805 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,360 The obsessive behaviour? 806 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,880 No. I didn't think you would. 807 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,959 Mr withall, I'm detective superintendent Pullman. 808 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,839 Thank you for coming in, take a seat. 809 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,479 Can I get you a tea or coffee? 810 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,559 No, thank you. You said this was about Gillian. 811 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,079 When was the last time you saw your ex-wife? 812 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,719 Why? Has something happened to her? Is she ok? She's fine. 813 00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:32,359 Because I haven't seen her since the divorce became final. 814 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,080 Would you mind if we asked you about your divorce? 815 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,159 Erm, well, it wasn't my idea. 816 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,999 It was after... 817 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,559 We lost our son. Cot death. Yes, we know and we're very sorry. 818 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,479 One of them things. 819 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,039 That's what they say. 820 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,559 But it felt like the end of the world and it never really goes away. 821 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:52,879 There's always a hole. 822 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,160 And for us that hole became divorce. 823 00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,119 You say that you've not seen Gillian, but you have heard from her? 824 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,479 Do you still have any mutual friends no, she cut everyone off, pretty much. 825 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,759 What about her family? Do you keep in touch with them? 826 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,559 She didn't have much family. 827 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,239 Her mum and dad had gone. 828 00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:15,199 Erm, she had a brother but he lived in Canada and they weren't close. 829 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,159 That's why we wanted to start a family. We wanted a houseful. 830 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,639 So, no contact? 831 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,439 I tried to get in touch in 2001. 832 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,639 It would have been will's 21st. 833 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,439 I wondered if she wanted to go to the graveyard, leave some flowers. 834 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,999 I got in touch with her through the nurses' union. 835 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,239 She wouldn't talk to me. 836 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:34,799 She wanted a new start. 837 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,320 Did she say that? Yeah. I just hope she got what she wanted. 838 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:46,080 Mr withall, I'm assuming that you don't know that Gillian has adopted a son? 839 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,519 No, I didn't. 840 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,040 She never... 841 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,839 A boy? What did she call him? William. 842 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,080 Really? William? 843 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:05,840 I would never have... 844 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,279 Is that everything? Yes, I think that's it. 845 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,840 Thank you very much and, um... I'm sorry. 846 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,559 Well, that wasn't fun. Illuminating though. 847 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,159 Gillian withall was isolated enough to bring the child home 848 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,999 and not to have anybody ask any awkward questions. 849 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,639 Well, she's going to answer some questions now. 850 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,200 Let's get it over with. 851 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,520 I suppose we just stay here and twiddle our thumbs? 852 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,280 Fancy going rogue? 853 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,599 Hello. Back again? What can I do for you this time? 854 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,680 This is superintendent Pullman, we'd like to talk to you. And your son. 855 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,680 Yes, erm, this way. 856 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,999 I think I always knew there was something not quite right. 857 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,719 She wouldn't let me see my dad. 858 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:20,359 Why not? 859 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,360 Mum said he was violent and that we didn't need him. 860 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,039 And every time I needed anything official, any paperwork... 861 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,639 It was always lost or there was some complication. 862 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,039 Would be? 863 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:38,760 So... who am I? 864 00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:46,559 I don't want to give a definitive answer to that until we've done a DNA test and made some more enquiries. 865 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:51,279 Yeah, I get that. But before we get into the soap opera part of all this... 866 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,920 Just tell me who I might be? 867 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,119 Nicos megas. That's your real name, ok? 868 00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,639 It's not yasser. 869 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,439 His mother gave him to me when she died. 870 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,679 I've got all the paperwork at home to prove it. He's mine. 871 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,239 You're mine, will. It's ok. 872 00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:08,919 Calm down. I'm 30-years-old, mum. 873 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,519 They can't take me away. 874 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,159 You're not who they're saying you are. 875 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,079 They haven't said anything, mum. I wouldn't just... 876 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,199 I can't believe you think I'd do that to another family! 877 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,600 I know what it feels like to lose a child. 878 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,720 She sobs 879 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:36,839 do you think we've got the right clearance for using the loos this time? Stop moaning. 880 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,999 I just think we're wasting our time here, Gerry. 881 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,719 This lodger thing's going nowhere. 882 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:45,999 They weren't even taking in students when yasser went missing. 883 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,679 Yeah, but they were there when he was conceived. 884 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,399 Oh, here we are! What? 885 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:56,559 Harry, or abu Hamas as his mum called him. 886 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,559 Half of it's blacked out. Yeah. Redacted. 887 00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,679 Eh? That means this material's still highly classified. 888 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,319 I wonder if that Richard bloke's still about. 889 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,400 We need to be fully briefed. Go and ask him. 890 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,680 He chuckles 891 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,039 pack it all up. We're putting this one down to experience. 892 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,639 Oh, no, no, you can't! 893 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,279 Gillian withall was a dead end. I can't progress with this any further. 894 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:23,559 Yeah, but we can. 895 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,399 We think that yasser was taken by his dad. 896 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,759 Fred? Abu Hamas, from gaza. 897 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,439 He was a leading light in the PLO. 898 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,879 Is he now? Was. He's dead, which is why the spooks could tell us about him. Spooks? 899 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,959 He died in a border skirmish in 1989, during the first intifada. 900 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,839 Why do we think he's yasser's dad? 901 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,359 Timing. 902 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,799 Abu Hamas and Anne gorton were at it nine months before yasser was born. 903 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,839 Whereas Fred and Anne definitely weren't. 904 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,079 Initially because Fred was away, and then according to surveillance reports, 905 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,119 because they were occupying separate bedrooms. 906 00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,640 Mi5 gave us this, look. 907 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:03,919 Bloody hell. 908 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,199 Wait for it. 909 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,359 Who'd you think was guest speaker at the rally before the free Palestine march? 910 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,559 Abu... thing? Hamas, yeah. 911 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,760 And who do you think flew him in and sponsored his visitor's visa? 912 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,599 I'm teaching at the moment, so I don't have time for this. What's the lecture about? 913 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,239 Second-wave feminism and the threat of the fallow holocaust. 914 00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:28,079 Death to the penis. Not fathers' rights, then. 915 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,159 I speak on that frequently, just not today. I want to check I've got something right. 916 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,159 You think that boys should always live with their fathers, 917 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,279 irrespective of any issues around child welfare, domestic violence... 918 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,519 Another tool in the belt of the feminazis. 919 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,679 Most accusations are false. You'd know better than me, a serving police officer. 920 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,519 To answer your question, yes, boys should be brought up by their fathers, 921 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,079 to keep them away from the feminist indoctrination of their mothers. 922 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,120 That's why you handed yasser over to abu Hamas, is it? For political reasons? 923 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,639 I knew the moment the doctor gave Anne her due date. 924 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:03,919 Even I can count to nine. 925 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,599 So you just waited until the right moment and handed him over? 926 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,799 I traced abu Hamas and told him the truth. 927 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,319 I sent him photos until it was time to put things right. 928 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,559 It was the right thing to do. 929 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,839 Bringing up another man's child is wrong. 930 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,119 I just didn't love him. 931 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,079 I felt guilty about that at the time, but not any more. 932 00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,519 It was the purest political act of my life. 933 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,279 Bollocks. I'm sorry? 934 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,599 So you should be. 935 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,439 What you did wasn't the act of a man. 936 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:38,119 A real man wouldn't have cared. He'd have just been proud to have the privilege of being a father. 937 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,999 Oh, I see. You work under a woman long enough 938 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,039 and you start to think like them. Do you know what you are? 939 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,919 What you did wasn't politics, it was having a pop at your wife. 940 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,479 A mangina. 941 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,239 It was about putting her through 25 years of grief 942 00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:55,119 so that you could feel better about her shagging another bloke. 943 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,239 And if that makes you a man and me a mangina, 944 00:54:58,240 --> 00:54:59,640 book me in for a Brazilian. 945 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,639 Sorry, boss. No apology necessary. 946 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,319 And where is he now? 947 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,839 Still in gaza as far as we know. I'm sorry we don't have more. 948 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,000 He's alive, that's all I need. 949 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,599 A chance. 950 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,639 A chance to find him. 951 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,479 You're going to look for him? Of course. 952 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,359 Well, be careful, gaza's not the safest place in the world. 953 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,359 You don't have children, do you? 954 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,999 No. Sorry, it wasn't supposed to be an accusation, it's just... 955 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,759 You couldn't possibly understand. 956 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,319 Maybe that's how Fred could do what he did. 957 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,599 Because he couldn't understand what he was doing to me. Oh, I think he understood. 958 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:50,840 And I think he's spent the last 20 years justifying it to himself and everyone else. Maybe. 959 00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:55,240 Thank you. 960 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,879 Urgh, not much of a result. 961 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:07,239 Well, harassment and perverting the course of justice charges against Vernon and Fred. 962 00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:11,599 Yeah, big deal. Are you sure we can't do blackledge on something else? 963 00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,359 He gave a child to his to his father. It was abu Hamas who took him out of the country. 964 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,559 And it caused a bit of damage on the way, William withall. 965 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,919 Aye, and me. Now I know I've been living in a police state. 966 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,719 Oh, for god's sake! I've read your file when we were setting up this team. 967 00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:28,239 I knew there was a file on me! Of course there was! 968 00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:32,559 I was right, wasn't I? Esther's radicalism's ruined my career! 969 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,839 I should never have gone to those meetings. 970 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,839 Signing my name on bloody petitions! 971 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,599 It said you were too insignificant for surveillance, 972 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,919 and that Esther was essentially harmless. 973 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,720 Happy now? 974 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,080 Right. Thanks. 975 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,799 Harmless? Are you sure they were watching the right woman? 976 00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,200 Oh, come on! 977 00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:02,839 Goodnight, Sandra. Goodnight. 978 00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:03,999 See you there. 979 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,079 I've read your report. 980 00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,559 Sorry it wasn't the result you wanted, sir. 981 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:09,759 What do you mean? 982 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:14,439 Well, Davies is still at large. I hope you don't think it was a complete waste of resources. 983 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,559 Of course not. Is that what you thought? 984 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,959 That's not why I counselled you against this case. Sir? 985 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,999 Ucos does extraordinary work. It breaks cases that are unbreakable. 986 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,599 But child abductions? They eat resources and burn out officers. 987 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,479 But you don't feel you can let it go. 988 00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,479 It's a missing child, after all. 989 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,599 So you work your overtime and ignore the people at home. 990 00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,839 And when you do finally get a result, it's not usually a good one. 991 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:42,239 Maybe I wanted to protect four of my most valuable assets from that? 992 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,679 Goodnight. 993 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,320 Goodnight, sir. 994 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,799 Esther! 995 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,600 I've got something for you. 996 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,679 I thought I'd help you save that post office, or anything else for that matter. 997 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,719 If it needs saving, banning or its consciousness raising, I'm your man. 998 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,600 Just like the old days. What do you think? 999 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:17,680 Oh, Betty! 1000 00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,519 ♪ It's all right it's ok 1001 00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,519 ♪ doesn't really matter if you're old and grey 1002 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,919 ♪ it's all right I say it's ok 1003 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,999 ♪ listen to what I say 1004 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,199 ♪ it's all right, doing fine 1005 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,239 ♪ doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine 1006 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,119 ♪ it's all right I say it's ok 1007 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,760 ♪ we're gettin' to the end of the day. ♪ 89201

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