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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:03,960 [Heavy breathing] 2 00:00:03,961 --> 00:00:05,959 Go on you can do it, sir, 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,119 [Sandra] When the builders found this, 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,279 they called the local police, who blew it up to us 5 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:10,479 when they realised it was relevant 6 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,079 to an old murder case 7 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,479 [Jack] How long was the trap door obscured? 8 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,639 [Sandra] Uh, builders reckon the full ceiling was put in 9 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,119 some time in the fifties. 10 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,160 Any time after that it would have been artexed over, 11 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,399 oh, bloody hell, I can't do this. 12 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,159 Confined space, doctor's orders. 13 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,080 It's all right Brian, you don't have to 14 00:00:27,081 --> 00:00:29,400 come all the way up, you can watch from there. 15 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:31,600 - Okay? - Yep. 16 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:35,440 Look at that 17 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,239 great big white fibres. 18 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:39,120 Are they real? 19 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,080 Certainly are. 20 00:00:40,081 --> 00:00:41,319 Real white fibres? 21 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,399 Yeah, yeah, come and have a look. 22 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:44,639 Fantastic. 23 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,239 They are beautiful. 24 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:47,559 Look at them. 25 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:48,400 You all right? 26 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:49,320 Careful Brian. 27 00:00:49,321 --> 00:00:51,479 That's all right, it's just psychological thing. 28 00:00:51,480 --> 00:00:53,279 I think she means mind where you put your- 29 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,519 - [Brian screams] - [Ceiling cracks] 30 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:56,799 foot. 31 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,199 ♪ It's all right, it's okay ♪ 32 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,919 ♪ doesn't really matter if you're old and grey ♪ 33 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,439 ♪ it's all right I say it's okay ♪ 34 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,519 ♪ listen to what I say ♪ 35 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,159 ♪ it's all right, doing fine ♪ 36 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,079 ♪ doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine ♪ 37 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,599 ♪ it's all right, I say it's okay ♪ 38 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:20,599 ♪ we're getting to the end of the day ♪ 39 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,519 The suitcase had a label indicating it was the property 40 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,119 of a Fred tulley. 41 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,399 Now tulley, who was single 42 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:27,799 lived in the house with his parents 43 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,879 until he was murdered in November 1953. 44 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,439 He was a wagers clerk at battersea power station. 45 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,119 Hello, hello hello. 46 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:36,479 He was shot dead in the street 47 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,079 on the south side of battersea bridge, 48 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,639 on a dark foggy afternoon. 49 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,159 The murder weapon, which was later found 50 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,479 on a number 19 bus, 51 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,879 had been stuffed down the back of an upstairs seat. 52 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,759 - Prince? - White fiend. 53 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,359 But the witness who found the gun, an Edward chambers, 54 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,239 identified a man getting off the bus 55 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:55,200 as he was getting on. 56 00:01:55,201 --> 00:01:57,279 That man's name was Richard Dunn, 57 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,039 arrested within days of the killing, 58 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,119 charged with murder, convicted, 59 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,879 refused leave to appeal, 60 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,079 hanged in may, 1954, 61 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,519 protested his innocence the whole way. 62 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:08,959 Dunn was a villain right? 63 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,079 Yeah, he had convictions for robbery 64 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:12,679 and at the time of the crime he was on bail 65 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,399 for assaulting a police officer 66 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,679 the prosecution argued that Dunn 67 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,159 had been watching tulley, 68 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:19,999 worked out that he was wagers clerk, 69 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,679 thought he was taking cash to the bank. 70 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,279 Was he carrying cash? 71 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,120 Nope. 72 00:02:24,121 --> 00:02:25,999 And now we find he had five grand 73 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,919 in used fivers in his attic. 74 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:30,559 Richard Dunn has a vociferous granddaughter 75 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,199 who's been active recently claiming wrongful convictions. 76 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:34,279 On what grounds? 77 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,599 On the grounds that the police conspired 78 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,759 to pervert the course of justice. 79 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,519 Now, given the new evidence about tulley 80 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,239 we're going to reinvestigate the case. 81 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,799 All the original investigating team are now dead, 82 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,879 but there was a, uh, sergeant collinson who was on the case, 83 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,599 and he was still in the job when you first joined, Jack. 84 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,239 He was my first governor actually. 85 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,959 Really, what was he like? 86 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:55,880 Oh, he got results. 87 00:02:55,881 --> 00:02:57,039 So, what'd you want. 88 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,399 Uh, Brian, you and I will look at Fred tulley, 89 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,039 see what's known about him, 90 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,079 Gerry, you and Jack re-examine the case 91 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,480 against Richard Dunn, see if it still stands up. 92 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,319 We'd be lucky if there are any witnesses still around 93 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:10,560 after all this time. 94 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:14,760 Was it something I said ahead? 95 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,080 Ahead of its time it was, 96 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,279 kept London's electricity flowing for 50 years. 97 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,199 It's amazing to think that they'd build a power station 98 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:24,959 right in the middle of the city. 99 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,039 Ah, but they had the technology 100 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,599 to tackle environmental issues. 101 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,839 90% of the sulphur was removed from the chimney gases. 102 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,840 Mr. Murray, would you mind if we talked about Fred tulley? 103 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:38,160 Come in. 104 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,160 Thank you. 105 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:42,999 [Door slams] 106 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,199 My grandfather Richard Dunn, 107 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,239 was the victim of a massive injustice, 108 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,719 and the truth has been buried for 50 years. 109 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,239 I don't believe that it's gonna be uncovered 110 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,879 by a scratch team of superannuated plods. 111 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:53,680 [Reporter] So can you tell us 112 00:03:53,681 --> 00:03:54,759 why you're here today, Hannah? 113 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,439 I'm here to petition the home secretary, 114 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,559 for a full scale public inquiry. 115 00:03:58,560 --> 00:03:59,680 Silly cow. 116 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,919 Her bastard grandad was... 117 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,719 Uh, beg pardon, miss. 118 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:07,999 Don't mind me? 119 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,319 Shit house done. 120 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:14,199 He shot down Fred tulley like a dog in the street. 121 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,599 What was your job at the power station, mr Murray? 122 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,639 Oh, stoker in the furnace. 123 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,279 I thought the battersea furnaces 124 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:22,319 were fed by pulverised coal. 125 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,599 Oh yes, they were, state of the art 126 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,119 as they'd say it now, 127 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,519 but the boilers that were installed in the war 128 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,999 they had retort stoker furnaces. 129 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,479 Get away. 130 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:36,959 That's where I was working. 131 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,559 That's interesting, because you're a- 132 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:40,560 not now, Brian. 133 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,559 Could Fred tulley, had been involved in something illegal? 134 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,920 Fred tulley, was his honest as the day is long, 135 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:51,759 and Richard Dunn must be burning in hell. 136 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,759 And I'm looking forward to being chief stoker. 137 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,159 [Brian giggles] 138 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:58,000 [Knocking on door] 139 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,000 Yes? 140 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:04,400 Sir Edward. 141 00:05:04,401 --> 00:05:07,279 Mr. Halford, and mr Stanley. 142 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:08,120 [Jack] Good morning. 143 00:05:08,121 --> 00:05:10,239 Thank you for making time to see us. 144 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,159 I don't think we'll detain each other very long. 145 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,039 In 1953 you were a witness in the case of Richard Dunn, 146 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,599 who was accused of murdering Frederick tulley. 147 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:20,639 That's correct. 148 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,399 Where re investigating the case 149 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,399 in the light of new evidence, 150 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,439 and we'd like a fresh interview with you, 151 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,999 to see if anything might have been missed or misinterpreted 152 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,959 in the original inquiry. 153 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,359 I regret I will not be cooperating with you 154 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:35,920 in your investigation. 155 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:37,600 Why? 156 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:38,600 Richard John's granddaughter, 157 00:05:38,601 --> 00:05:41,679 Hannah Parker, contacted me sometime ago. 158 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,279 She had severe, 159 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:46,559 and I must say well substantiated criticisms, 160 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,759 of the way the original police inquiry was conducted. 161 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,319 Well we're going to be looking at that. 162 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,119 Ms. Parker takes the view 163 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,679 that only a full scale public inquiry 164 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,559 can deal with the matter. 165 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,119 She's asked me not to cooperate with you 166 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,760 and your re-investigation. 167 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,640 I must say she was very persuasive. 168 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:09,160 How do. 169 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,000 All right? 170 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:10,800 How'd you get on? 171 00:06:10,801 --> 00:06:14,559 The archives of the central electricity generating board 172 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,080 are absolutely fascinating. 173 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:27,640 Ta-da! 174 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,040 Battersea power station. 175 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,319 [Scoffs] Landmark of London, 176 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,559 secular cathedral, 177 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,279 temple of power, 178 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:44,359 the 105 megawatt generating set, 179 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,199 that came into operation in 1935, 180 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,359 was the largest unit installed in britain or the continent. 181 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,719 That's not actually what I wanted to know, Brian. 182 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:54,560 No? 183 00:06:54,561 --> 00:06:55,719 No. 184 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:56,720 Oh, sorry. 185 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,959 What about the wages office, were there any missing funds? 186 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:01,960 No. 187 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,799 Okay so we're not looking for a wages clerk 188 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,080 with his hand in the till. 189 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,040 No. 190 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,479 You know why they got rid of these, don't you? 191 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:12,639 White fibres. 192 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:13,480 Why? 193 00:07:13,481 --> 00:07:15,319 Because beautiful though they were, 194 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,200 they were too easy to counterfeit. 195 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,639 Now you have told me something useful. 196 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,480 I'll get onto the bank of england see what they can tell us. 197 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,199 So you never actually knew your father, Mrs. Parker? 198 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,680 No, my mother married again. 199 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,759 I didn't find out what my real family history was 200 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,679 until I was a teenager. 201 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,399 It must have been very difficult to deal with? 202 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:38,919 Yes, it, uh, 203 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:39,920 it still is, 204 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,319 but if you let the fact 205 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,039 that your dad was hanged for murder rule your life, 206 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,360 then they've killed you as well. 207 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,679 I survived got on with my life, 208 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,119 there was nothing to be ashamed of. 209 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:56,120 Of course not, 210 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,719 but I'm afraid we do still have to talk about your father. 211 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,279 Yeah, look, my father was a criminal, 212 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:03,879 but he wasn't a murderer. 213 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,559 That's why we've reopened the case, 214 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,159 that's why we wanted to talk to you. 215 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,919 Obviously it's very difficult to find people 216 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,199 who knew him at this distance in time 217 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,880 we just wondered if you could put us in touch with anyone. 218 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,799 My mother started a new life. 219 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:18,800 She didn't want it to keep up 220 00:08:18,801 --> 00:08:20,720 with the people that my dad had known, 221 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,480 and what relatives he had that they've all gone now, 222 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,400 so, it's just me and my daughter. 223 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,159 Hannah, she's very committed 224 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,840 to getting the verdict overturned, 225 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,319 she would have been here by now. 226 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,160 But, uh, she's been held up in court. 227 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:40,240 Anything serious? 228 00:08:40,241 --> 00:08:41,280 She's a solicitor. 229 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:43,280 Oh I see. 230 00:08:43,281 --> 00:08:46,519 Specialises in civil liberties cases. 231 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:47,520 Ah. 232 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:48,520 Does she? 233 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,239 She advised me not to answer any questions 234 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:53,280 in her absence. 235 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,119 [Phone rings] 236 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,120 Sandra Pullman. 237 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,760 Oh, thanks for getting back to us. 238 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,080 So then it's a genuine? 239 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:07,440 Really? 240 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,479 No, no, that's terrific, thank you, 241 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,279 you've been a great help. 242 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:13,400 Cheers, bye. 243 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:16,560 Well? 244 00:09:16,561 --> 00:09:18,919 Those fibres were taken out of circulation 245 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,919 in the summer of '53, they should have been incinerated. 246 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:22,760 Where? 247 00:09:22,761 --> 00:09:25,359 Well, in those days they used a furnace 248 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,040 at battersea power station. 249 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,840 [Tense music] 250 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:44,799 Hello Douglas. 251 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,240 We need to have another word. 252 00:09:47,680 --> 00:09:51,359 When Fred tulley died he was in possession of bank notes, 253 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,559 bank notes that had been withdrawn from circulation, 254 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:55,280 and should have been incinerated. 255 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,719 You worked on the retort stoker furnace, 256 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,319 as you were telling us. 257 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,119 Oh yes I did sir, correct. 258 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:06,919 Which is where the bank of england came to dispose 259 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,239 of their bank notes. 260 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,239 Oh, well, it was all a, a long time ago. 261 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,559 Well, I'm sure that'll be taken into consideration 262 00:10:15,560 --> 00:10:17,839 when deciding on further action, 263 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,400 along with whether you've been cooperative or not. 264 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:28,959 The geezers from the bank of england turn up, 265 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,319 and we have to stand well back while they get on with it. 266 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:33,719 Now they shoved the money 267 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,279 in the lowest level in the furnace, 268 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,959 then they bugger off thinking the job's done. 269 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:39,920 But it wasn't? 270 00:10:39,921 --> 00:10:41,799 It's all wrong. 271 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:46,039 Thick wads of paper don't burn easily, 272 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,559 you have to put them high up in the furnace, 273 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:50,959 where the temperatures hottest. 274 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,720 When I rake out the ash the next day 275 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:55,999 I find the money. 276 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,159 So how long did this go on for? 277 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:59,999 Months and months, 278 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,479 until somebody noticed the were note surviving the process 279 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,919 so they altered the procedure, yeah, 280 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:11,319 made us stokers put it in at a right level. 281 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,239 Though they never knew we'd been having it away. 282 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,959 And tulley handled it for you? 283 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,639 He reckoned he couldn't fence for us now 284 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,400 laundering they call it now. 285 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,679 I don't see the point of a further police investigation. 286 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:28,479 Well, we're trying to establish the facts 287 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,759 about Frederick tulley's death, 288 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:31,999 and there's some new evidence, 289 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,559 which is so in a different light on Mr. Tulley. 290 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:36,639 I've established the facts I'm interested in, 291 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,799 which show that my grandfather was wrongly convicted. 292 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:40,919 Then we'd appreciate it 293 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,840 if you'd share your findings with us. 294 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,279 My grandfather was a victim of judicial murder. 295 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:49,599 It's putting it rather strongly. 296 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,879 Instigated by the police, 297 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,719 so what's required isn't a fresh police whitewash, 298 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,320 it's a public inquiry with evidence out in the open. 299 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,079 [Laughs] Southend. 300 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,080 Did you used to go? 301 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,000 Yeah. 302 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,759 Oh, the curser, what a ride that was, eh. 303 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,279 Yeah, every bank holiday 304 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,639 we'd all bundle into my uncle's Van and go down there, 305 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:17,999 I used to love it. 306 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,439 Me too. 307 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,319 My idea of a big treat was the 308 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:22,919 candy floss on the pier. 309 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:23,760 Sweet tooth, eh? 310 00:12:23,761 --> 00:12:25,279 You know, I really don't think my mother and I 311 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:26,680 have any more to say to you. 312 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:29,759 Yes, well if you should change your mind 313 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,680 we'd be delighted to hear from you. 314 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:35,600 We'll be in touch. 315 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,120 [Children chattering] 316 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:58,560 Afternoon ms Parker. 317 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:01,600 Mr. Standing. 318 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,359 I'm trying to tell my girls about it. 319 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,279 I say imagine southend pier, 320 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,359 one of the wonders of the world, 321 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,959 it stretches so far out to sea, 322 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,039 you need a train to get you there and back. 323 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,199 We had a beach hut at shoeburyness. 324 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,239 All I can remember of shoebury is when you went paddling 325 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,319 you could see right across the thames estuary to Kent, 326 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,879 and you had this magnificent view 327 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,119 of sheerness oil refinery. 328 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,159 That's right and then every so often, 329 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,039 there'd be an almighty bang, shell going off. 330 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,440 That's right, from the artillery range down the coast. 331 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,480 Funny idea for a holiday when you think about it, isn't it? 332 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,639 But we were happy. 333 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:47,760 Yeah, well yeah. 334 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,199 You know, I always thought I had it hard when I was a kid, 335 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,840 but what you had to deal with finding out about your dad 336 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,120 I'm not sure how I would've coped with that. 337 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,560 I'm not sure if I ever did. 338 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:06,200 I always had the feeling, 339 00:14:06,201 --> 00:14:09,799 that world could suddenly turn upside down on me. 340 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,319 I could never believe in any kind of security, 341 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,080 so I suppose I didn't give it a chance, 342 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,320 that's how I broke up with Hannah's father, really. 343 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,080 Yeah, there's a lot of it about. 344 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,719 That is terrific. 345 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,720 No, no I really appreciate it. 346 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,360 Well as soon as she can find time basically as soon as. 347 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,079 Listen June, I promise you you won't regret this. 348 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,479 We'll do a really good job for you. 349 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:41,639 Yeah, great. 350 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,040 I'll speak to you soon, bye. 351 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,119 What was all that about? 352 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,519 June has squared it with Hannah. 353 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,999 She's going to cooperate with our investigation, 354 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,759 going to share everything that she's found out. 355 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:53,720 That's brilliant. 356 00:14:53,721 --> 00:14:55,319 - [Gerry] Yeah. - [Jack] Terrific. 357 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:56,320 Isn't it? 358 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:58,840 How does everybody else feel? 359 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,439 How did you swing that, Gerry? 360 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,359 Oh I use the old empathy. 361 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:10,280 People skills basically, innit? [Chuckles] 362 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,799 Thanks for this Hannah, hopefully you won't regret it. 363 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:15,640 This is a family matter, 364 00:15:15,641 --> 00:15:17,999 and I'm respecting my mother's wishes. 365 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,160 If it were up to me... 366 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,279 Well let's get on with it, shall we? 367 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,399 - Thank you. - Yeah. 368 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:25,320 So what's your understanding 369 00:15:25,321 --> 00:15:27,000 of the case against Richard Dunn? 370 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,479 Well within two days of tulley being shot 371 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,599 Richard Dunn was taken in for questioning. 372 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,999 This was on the basis of information received. 373 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,279 From the bookie's runner David walls, 374 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,399 he claimed that Richard Dunn had robbed him at gunpoint. 375 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,559 Well, any investigator would have to follow that up. 376 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:44,639 Well, go on. 377 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,159 What about material evidence linking 378 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,039 Dunn to the crime scene? 379 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,439 A box of matches with Dunn's fingerprints on 380 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,879 was found near the scene. 381 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,639 Before the arrest? 382 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:55,719 No, subsequently. 383 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,159 Richard Dunn maintained that he was offered a cigarette, 384 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,719 and a box of matches by detective sergeant collinson, 385 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,399 during one of his interviews. 386 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:03,919 Collinson and then took the matches back. 387 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,079 Dunn later argued at his trial 388 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,319 that they were planted at the scene. 389 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:09,679 Well he would say that wouldn't he? 390 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,519 In 1967 the then detective superintendent collinson 391 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,639 was in charge of an investigation into the murder 392 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:16,959 of a prostitute. 393 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,399 A box of matches with the prime suspects fingerprints 394 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,480 was allegedly found at the scene. 395 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,599 It was later discovered on appeal that the log 396 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,120 of the investigation had mysteriously disappeared. 397 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,239 It would have shown that the matches 398 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:30,959 were found after rather than before 399 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,400 the prime suspects interview. 400 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:36,359 That's correct. 401 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,600 Collinson later retired on medical grounds. 402 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,679 I can vouch for the fact that Mr. Collinson 403 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,279 was under very considerable stress. 404 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,319 And what about in 1953? 405 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,319 Was he under stress when he fitted out my grandfather? 406 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,800 I'm in no position to make any comment on that. 407 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,199 You know what, the thing is in the 21st century, 408 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,960 this case would never get to court. 409 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,479 Oh lovely, thank you. 410 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:05,919 We've got a much of a Murray's prints 411 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,799 on the bands that held the bundle of notes together. 412 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:09,800 Cooperation. 413 00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:13,559 Doesn't really get us much further though, does it? 414 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,119 No but there's more. 415 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:16,439 As well as tulley's prints 416 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,839 on the suitcase itself, they think there's a second set. 417 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,519 They're gonna have to do some, uh, 418 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,600 some clever stuff to make them usable. 419 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:27,679 And they might be from someone entirely unconnected 420 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,480 with the investigation. 421 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,079 As for instance, a railway Porter, a taxi driver, 422 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,679 the vendor of the suitcase, the former owner. 423 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:37,680 Yeah, 424 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,159 but it's worth pursuing, Brian. 425 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:41,160 Oh, certainly. 426 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,599 - Sandra. - Eh? 427 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,639 Just there, you know, about the fingerprints. 428 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:52,759 Mm? 429 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,159 I was telling you stuff you already knew, weren't I, 430 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,279 stuff you could have worked out for yourself? 431 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:58,839 Strictly speaking, yes. 432 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,919 Well, that was the feedback I was picking up 433 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,120 from your body language. 434 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:03,840 Oh. 435 00:18:03,841 --> 00:18:06,600 I'm sensitising myself to the reactions of others. 436 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:09,960 Jolly... 437 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:11,800 Jolly good. 438 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,559 I thought you'd like that, you know, 439 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:16,640 Esther's all for it. 440 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,679 We still have the evidence of the guy who found the gun. 441 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,559 Edward chambers, posh background, 442 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,279 national service officer on leave. 443 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,319 I mean are you telling me that the police lent on him 444 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,279 to make him tell porkies? 445 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,039 Very credible witness. 446 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,799 I'm sure the police were delighted when they managed 447 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,320 to manipulate him into making an identification. 448 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,879 His, uh, pa said she could probably find 449 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,440 a window for us this afternoon. 450 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,080 Brian, come and take a look at this. 451 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,639 It's from forensics. 452 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:04,839 Sorted out those fingerprints. 453 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,119 No, no, look, there's something hidden in the lining 454 00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:09,040 of the suitcase. 455 00:19:09,041 --> 00:19:12,879 Oh, yeah, interesting, do they know what it is? 456 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,679 They think it's a fragment of a document of some kind, 457 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:16,719 they're going to try and get at it, 458 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,360 but it's a bit of a delicate job. 459 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,919 Thank you for your cooperations, redwood, 460 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,839 bit of a tall order asking you to recall events 461 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,639 of some 50 odd years ago. 462 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,719 No, 50 years ago is easy, 463 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,479 but when you're knocking on a bit, 464 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,599 last week fades into the mist, 465 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:34,600 don't you find? 466 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,519 So you're still clear about the circumstances 467 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:39,719 of finding the gun. 468 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:40,720 Oh, yes. 469 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,959 According to the case papers you were on leave 470 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,519 from the army at the time. 471 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,959 Yes, second lieutenant chambers, 19, 472 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,199 still thoroughly wet behind the ears. 473 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,559 And you caught a number 19 bus from battersea bridge? 474 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,319 Yes, i-I didn't have to go far, 475 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,759 but, um, I was feeling the cold after the tropics. 476 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,799 I went upstairs, I was a smoker in those days, 477 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,319 and I was passed by a man in a hurry in his way to get off. 478 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,679 And this was the man that you later identified 479 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:09,640 as Richard Dunn? 480 00:20:09,641 --> 00:20:11,679 Yes, yes it was. 481 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,359 Yes, well more of him later. 482 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:15,959 So you, so you took a seat on the bus? 483 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,239 Yes. 484 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,599 And I thought well this isn't very comfortable, 485 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,759 even by the standards of London transport 486 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:22,959 that I was aware of. 487 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,559 There was something down the back of the seat, 488 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,399 so I, I felt around and encountered the familiar shape 489 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,200 of a webley service revolver. 490 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,719 Is this the weapon 491 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,479 that was used in evidence? 492 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,599 Yes, the quickly came up the stairs at that point 493 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,559 rather pretty blonde actually. 494 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,639 I told her we needed to contact the police. 495 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,479 Did you describe the man you saw to the police? 496 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,359 Yes, but not in any great detail 497 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:50,199 because I had no reason take notice of him. 498 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,079 But you subsequently picked Richard Dunn 499 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,679 out in an identity parade. 500 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,239 Yes, the truth is, 501 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,159 that as I was being escorted through the police station 502 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,359 before the identity parade, 503 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:03,759 I caught a glimpse of a man in handcuffs, 504 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,119 being led down a corridor by the detective collinson. 505 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:09,200 I thought it was just a chance encounter, 506 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,559 but when Hannah contacted me, 507 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,159 I realised that had been very cleverly staged managed. 508 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,919 And that man was Richard Dunn. 509 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,959 Yes, and when I saw him in the identity parade 510 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,760 I suppose he must be the man. 511 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,400 Collinson was blatantly breaking the rules, yet again. 512 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,079 Was the identification challenged at the trial? 513 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,679 Not with any great vigour, 514 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,759 and I made up my mind that Dunn 515 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,599 was the man I seen leaving the bus, I'm afraid, 516 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,999 and there was so much more evidence against him. 517 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,000 All worthless. 518 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,480 Have to admit it Hannah, 519 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,039 you've done a good job for your grandfather. 520 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,320 Couldn't someone done it better one at the time? 521 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:56,559 [Giggles] Look what I found. 522 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:57,919 Candy floss. 523 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,879 But it's a tub, it used to be on a stick. 524 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,760 Yeah, well health and safety, 525 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:06,959 you know, my mum used to bring us here all the time. 526 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,319 I only really remember the fun fair, 527 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,159 but I thought the park was much bigger. 528 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,239 No, it used to be much smaller 529 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,240 which is true. 530 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,039 And I'll tell you something else, to be honest... 531 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,599 This stuff's disgusting. 532 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:21,999 Yeah, yeah. 533 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,640 I'll tell you what, why don't we pretend we're grown up, 534 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,159 and go and have a drink. 535 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,160 Yeah. 536 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,759 So where exactly do we stand with this inquiry Sandra? 537 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,279 Well we now know that Fred tulley, 538 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,719 far from being a squeaky clean pillar of society, 539 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,399 was involved in a fiddle with big white fibres. 540 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,319 Which means the motive for killing him 541 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,639 needn't have been a straightforward street robbery. 542 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,919 And the prime suspect Richard Dunn was convicted 543 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,039 on the flimsiest of evidence. 544 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,479 In fact there is no evidence connecting Dunn and tulley 545 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,200 that stands up to serious examination. 546 00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:58,879 The police stitched him up. 547 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,679 Yeah, well as far as policing is concerned 548 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,039 I'm delighted to say that the past is another country. 549 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,679 They do things differently there. 550 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:05,680 Lp hartley. 551 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:07,520 He wrote that. 552 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:09,920 Yeah, I know that Brian. 553 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:11,800 Oh, sorry. 554 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,239 Right, is there anything else? 555 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,879 Yes, we also know that Douglas Murray was involved 556 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,959 in this scam with tulley and he's been lying about it 557 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,599 for the last 50 years. 558 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,679 Of course, we don't know that Murray's 559 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,679 telling us the truth even now, 560 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,919 maybe he thought he'd been jipped out of the money, 561 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,240 and took it out on tulley. 562 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,400 Of course, that's just speculation on my part. 563 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:36,960 What does everyone else think? 564 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,879 Well what I think is the budgets aren't infinite, 565 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,720 perhaps we should spend hours on more productive avenues. 566 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,519 Look, look, look, the Dunn family have been living 567 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,799 with a wrongful conviction for 50 years. 568 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,399 Don't you think they're entitled to a complete answer? 569 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,279 Or maybe some things are too deep in the past 570 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,759 to be satisfactorily resolved, Gerry. 571 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,839 We're not here to provide family therapy. 572 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,119 We are still waiting on some forensic material, sir. 573 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,920 Yeah, well the best of luck, but the metres running. 574 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,439 When I tell my kids how I grew up, 575 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,439 you'd think I was talking about another century. 576 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,760 Well you are, actually. 577 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:22,520 Yeah, [laughs], I suppose technically, yeah. 578 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,520 But have you got a bain-Marie? 579 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,119 A what? 580 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:29,280 Well what a blender, then? 581 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,119 No. 582 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,159 You've got no kit in this kitchen. 583 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,799 It's a wonder you haven't starved to death. 584 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,360 It's designed for a working woman, not a celebrity chef. 585 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,280 All right, well i'm gonna have to improvise. 586 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:46,840 Now... 587 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,280 June. 588 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,279 You didn't think it was appropriate to come to my place, 589 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,640 so we've come to your place, and you're still wound up. 590 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,000 I'm sorry 591 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,679 come on, come on, 592 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,200 sit down, have a delicious glass of wine, 593 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,280 and relax. 594 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,759 We're just having a nice meal and a chat, 595 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,519 I mean you're not selling your soul to the devil [laughs]. 596 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,560 That's not the way Hannah would see it. 597 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:22,200 [Door slams] 598 00:25:22,201 --> 00:25:23,680 Hello darling, it's me. 599 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,120 Esther? 600 00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:28,120 [Esther] I'm in here. 601 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,240 Ahem. 602 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,920 Red and white roses? 603 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:45,960 What? 604 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,320 Oh, Brian. 605 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,880 [Esther sighs] 606 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,799 Mm. 607 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,639 Yeah, that's, that's really good. 608 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,559 And why are you so surprised? 609 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,479 Well, I do wonder. 610 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,079 With all that '50s nostalgia, 611 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,919 I thought it might be brown windsor soup 612 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,039 followed by toad in the hole. 613 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,640 Now they're all limits, the past wasn't that good. 614 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:25,680 No. 615 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,080 So, 616 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,360 how about the future? 617 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,399 Remind me Gerry, 618 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,320 how many times have you been divorced? 619 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,399 Three. 620 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,279 Yeah, but I didn't have the maturity then. 621 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,240 No. 622 00:26:44,241 --> 00:26:46,999 So, um, what's changed? 623 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,000 Oh everything. 624 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,679 My three marriages went sideways 625 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,599 'cause I was always firing after glamorous glitzy blondes, 626 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,160 but with you it's different. 627 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,040 Oh yeah? 628 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,040 Oh definitely. 629 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,719 I mean you're not my type at all. 630 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,719 That's terrific, Gerry, thank you. 631 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,560 Oh, no, no, I didn't mean that. 632 00:27:04,561 --> 00:27:05,679 I didn't mean- 633 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,480 shh, shh. 634 00:27:06,481 --> 00:27:08,760 When you're in a hole, stop digging. 635 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,800 [Classical music plays] 636 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,479 Oh, Esther, come on, of course, I haven't forgotten 637 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,039 your father's funeral. 638 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,479 It's just the composition 639 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,120 of the floral tribute that slipped me mind. 640 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:33,760 Esther. 641 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,560 [Jack] Morning. 642 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:41,400 [Gerry] Morning all. 643 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,240 [Sandra] Morning. 644 00:27:42,241 --> 00:27:43,599 [Brian] This is a turn up. 645 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:44,400 What is? 646 00:27:44,401 --> 00:27:47,199 Usable prints have been retrieved from the suitcase. 647 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,000 Yeah? 648 00:27:48,001 --> 00:27:49,519 And we've got a much for them. 649 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,559 Richard Dunn. 650 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,199 So there was a connection between him and tulley? 651 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,160 Yeah, 652 00:27:54,161 --> 00:27:56,479 and this puts Dunn right back in the frame. 653 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,919 Oh shit. 654 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,520 Who's gonna tell the family? 655 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:02,879 Well I suppose I'd better. 656 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,639 Mr. Empathy himself. 657 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:05,640 Shut up Brian 658 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,239 What this is bullshit? 659 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,160 [Gerry] Oh, Hannah, please. 660 00:28:15,161 --> 00:28:17,199 I knew we should never have cooperated with you 661 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,839 it's a coverup, the establishment just can't admit 662 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:20,879 it hanged in innocent man. 663 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,239 I'm sorry, but the evidence is very clear. 664 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,919 You people have faked evidence before 665 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:24,760 and you're faking it again now. 666 00:28:24,761 --> 00:28:26,319 I think you better calm down. 667 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,679 I am taking this matter directly 668 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,839 to the independent police complaints commission. 669 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,119 We are only trying to get at the truth. 670 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,399 We have no more to say to you, 671 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,040 would you please leave my mother's house immediately? 672 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,520 June. 673 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,400 You'd better go. 674 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,720 [Sombre music] 675 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,679 You've told a lot of lies over the years Douglas, 676 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,159 we don't want any more. 677 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,799 You, Fred tulley, Richard Dunn, 678 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,519 you were all in this money scam together, weren't you? 679 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,839 I never met Richard, Fred dealt with him. 680 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,999 What sort of dealings are we talking about? 681 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,839 Well, Richard was villain, 682 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,079 he had contacts who could put the money about, launder it, 683 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,679 take a cut, give us back loaded nomination notes, 684 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,359 we could use without showing out too much. 685 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,399 How did Fred and Richard meet? 686 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,079 Oh well, Fred was having a drink in a pub, 687 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,159 and Richard was knocking out stuff falling off a lorry, 688 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,639 they got talking, felt they could do a bit of business. 689 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:34,959 How do they get on with each other? 690 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,839 Well, I mean what Fred was up to was white collar, 691 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,280 more like fiddling really. 692 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,719 Richard was more dangerous, you know, 693 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,479 he was, uh, he could use violence. 694 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,719 Are you saying he used or threatened violence 695 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,999 against Fred tulley? 696 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,159 Well somebody did, didn't they? 697 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,839 And you kept quiet about all of this, 698 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,399 during the original investigation, and the trial. 699 00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,240 It suited me, 700 00:29:59,241 --> 00:30:01,839 if it looked like a street robbery gone wrong. 701 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,359 Maybe it suited you that Richard Dunn went down for it? 702 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,199 It seemed to me he did it. 703 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,639 I certainly didn't. 704 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,199 You think otherwise, you prove it. 705 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,319 [Phone rings] 706 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,320 Excuse me. 707 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:15,520 Jack, hi. 708 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,359 Okay, thanks we'll be right there. 709 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,800 We're not finished with you. 710 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,320 [Tense music] 711 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:31,720 Jack. 712 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,319 This is the document that was found in the lining 713 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,320 of the suitcase. 714 00:30:35,321 --> 00:30:36,759 You can hardly read it, 715 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,279 it's all singed around the edges, 716 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,559 but there's some reference to Kenya, 717 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,519 and the massacre of the kikuyu, 718 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,879 but it's all torn at the bottom, 719 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,880 and there's a date, 6th of the 12th '53. 720 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,999 No, no, hang on, that doesn't make sense, 721 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,040 December 1953 would have been after tulley was killed. 722 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,399 No, no, no. 723 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,640 Not December, June, the 12th of June. 724 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,360 I think this is American. 725 00:31:04,361 --> 00:31:06,199 You know, the way they have the dates 726 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,839 the other way around from us. 727 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,120 As in 9/11. 728 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,559 This is from the American embassy. 729 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,040 How can you know that? 730 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,919 Brian, how on earth could a document 731 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:16,999 from the American embassy 732 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,399 have found its way into the possession of Fred tulley? 733 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,919 From the power station. 734 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,519 What, battersea power station? 735 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,839 They didn't just burn bank notes there. 736 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:26,840 The American embassy 737 00:31:26,841 --> 00:31:30,279 used to bring their confidential documents for incineration, 738 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:31,120 it's all in here. 739 00:31:31,121 --> 00:31:33,319 And this is the first time you thought to mention it. 740 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,879 It's a bit obsessional going on 741 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,800 about power station history, isn't it? 742 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,040 I didn't want to bore people. 743 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,359 I'm trying to sensitise myself to negative feedback. 744 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,360 Sandra! 745 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,280 Something else you haven't told us about dougy. 746 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,639 Ah, yeah, the embassy, 747 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,999 the bank of england, we're just 748 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,639 gentleman amateurs by comparison. 749 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,399 It was a real circus when the yanks came, 750 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,159 convoy of jeeps, armed military police. 751 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,999 And this happened how frequently? 752 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,519 It was part of the routine. 753 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:27,520 And like the bank notes, 754 00:32:27,521 --> 00:32:30,199 some of these documents clearly survived the furnace. 755 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,639 Well, now and again. 756 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,319 I couldn't see that were worth anything, 757 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,959 but when I told Freddy he said you never know, 758 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,119 they take all that trouble to get rid of this stuff, 759 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,959 might be worth something to somebody. 760 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,679 So you passed the documents to Fred tulley. 761 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,319 What did he do with them? 762 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,440 Search me, I never heard any more about it, 763 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,039 didn't interest me, to be honest, 764 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,960 all I wanted was the bread and honey. 765 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,879 [Brian] 1953, the British army is fighting 766 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,680 the mau mau rebellion, in Kenya. 767 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,039 Yeah but that was all about the natives 768 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,119 getting restless and killing white settlers, wasn't it? 769 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,319 Well the mau mau certainly had blood on their hands. 770 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,679 By the time the state of emergency ended, 771 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,759 they'd killed around a hundred white people, 772 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,519 but also 2000 africans suspected of collaboration 773 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,679 with the colonial authorities. 774 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,079 I'm sorry, but what's this got to do with our case? 775 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,079 Well, hang on Gerry I'm getting there. 776 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,399 What we didn't hear about at the time 777 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,239 was the casualties on the other side, 778 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,399 at least 11000 africans died at the hands 779 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,559 of the colonial authorities, either killed in battle, 780 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,519 or tried, and executed, 781 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,999 or in some cases massacred. 782 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,399 Document's been enhanced listen to this. 783 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,559 "CIA head of station Nairobi, 784 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,519 reports reliable account of killing 785 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,439 of 15 unarmed kikuyu civilians, 786 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,119 in Kenya central highlands, by Somali troops, 787 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,600 under command of British officer..." 788 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,240 And the rest has been torn off. 789 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,879 Our Edward chambers was on leave from the army 790 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,639 when he found the gun and ID'd Richard Dunn. 791 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,880 So if chambers had served in Kenya, 792 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,119 he could be the officer that this document is referring to. 793 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,400 And tulley could have found the document, 794 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,520 and blackmailed chambers. 795 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,399 Did any of you gentlemen actually do national service? 796 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,959 When I was already down for the police, I was exempt. 797 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,119 God no, far too young. 798 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,399 Yeah me too. 799 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,359 You must understand that they did rather drop one in it. 800 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,959 I went from school to national service, 801 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,519 and was shipped out to Kenya to hold down a fraying corner 802 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,360 of the empire. 803 00:34:38,361 --> 00:34:39,759 A mau mau emergency? 804 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,039 The shorthand term for a very complex situation. 805 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,319 Nationalism, tribalism. 806 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,160 Most of the killing 807 00:34:46,161 --> 00:34:48,119 was done by the africans themselves 808 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,799 during the time of the emergency 809 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,319 there were instances of civilians being killed by troops, 810 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,519 under British command 811 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,559 now, certainly that is true. 812 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,359 In fact one British officer was prosecuted for murder 813 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,119 were you ever involved in such an incident? 814 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,279 Certainly not. 815 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,879 You come from a very wealthy family, sir. Edward. 816 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,119 Well, it depends what you're used to really. 817 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,999 But I, I can see the point. 818 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,679 Back in 1953 was any attempt made to blackmail you, 819 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,799 over allegations that you ordered 820 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,679 a massacre of African civilians in Kenya? 821 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,040 What on earth would lead you to suggest that? 822 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,919 This was found in the possession of Frederick tulley 823 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,240 at the time of his death. 824 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,119 I don't see how this implicates me in any conceivable way. 825 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,519 Since you were instrumental 826 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,799 in getting Richard Dunn hanged for killing tulley, 827 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,079 I think it's a remarkable coincidence. 828 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,080 Coincidence, 829 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,040 not very remarkable. 830 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,999 How many people go on about conserving energy, 831 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,159 but this place was pumping its exhaust steam 832 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,399 under the thames to provide hot water 833 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,040 and heating for the council estate in pimlico. 834 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:58,960 Magnificent. 835 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,919 Of course, the outside appearance 836 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,079 was down to sir giles Gilbert Scott, 837 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,600 architect of liverpool cathedral, 838 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,040 and what he's given us here is a quasi religious building. 839 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:13,880 A temple of power. 840 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:20,039 I thought we'd established, 841 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,919 you are interested in power station history? 842 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,920 When it's relevant to the case, Brian. 843 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:29,639 Here's the bus. 844 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,640 Over here! 845 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,199 God, it takes you back, doesn't it? 846 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,039 You know, it was on the top deck of one of these in 1961 847 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,399 I had my first adult experience. 848 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,199 I don't think I wanna know about that. 849 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,999 I smoked a woodbine. 850 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,759 Look, can we get on with the reconstruction? 851 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,319 Yes. 852 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,399 So, I am Edward chambers, 853 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,119 19 years old, public school boy, officer and gentleman. 854 00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,319 We'll use our imaginations. 855 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,720 You're the clippy. 856 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:02,959 [Bell rings] 857 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,559 Alright then, who are we? 858 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,599 Well that what a couple of passengers on the top deck, 859 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,199 down the front end, 860 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:09,959 they weren't in a position to see anything 861 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,439 and weren't called as witnesses. 862 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,400 You can be them. 863 00:37:12,401 --> 00:37:13,799 Oh, thanks. 864 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,919 Come on, age before beauty. 865 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,120 Pearl before swine. 866 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,159 [Brian] Hurry up. 867 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,600 Alright, move down the bus. 868 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,759 Now I, lieutenant chambers, 869 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,880 have secreted about my person, the murder weapon, 870 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,319 but far from discovering the gun, 871 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,199 I am in fact attempting to hide it. 872 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,519 [Gerry and Jack laughing] 873 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:39,400 Any fares, please. 874 00:37:39,401 --> 00:37:41,759 For the webley 38, it's a large weapon, 875 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,600 difficult to wholly conceal. 876 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,039 Now, you're the bus conductress, 877 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,199 what are you concentrating on 878 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,680 when you get to the top deck? 879 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,799 New faces, people who haven't paid yet. 880 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,079 So you're looking at me, 881 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,800 so now I have to make a split second decision. 882 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,119 "Uh, miss, I say..." 883 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:02,960 "What, guv?" 884 00:38:02,961 --> 00:38:05,199 "I think we're gonna have to call the police." 885 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,959 "Cor, stone the crows." 886 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,759 "Did you notice that man who just got off 887 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,039 was in rather a panic?" 888 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,079 Now, I wouldn't be bothered with someone getting off, 889 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,079 I'd only be interested in the people who hadn't paid. 890 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,079 [Jack] So it was chambers. 891 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,839 Yeah, ds collinson wanted Dunn to go down for it whatever, 892 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,479 so he let chambers see him 893 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,319 on the way to the identity parade. 894 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,319 And chambers is home and dry. 895 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,879 Identifies Dunn, and collinson does the rest. 896 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,519 Well we can tell each other the story 897 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:31,559 till the cows come home, 898 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,999 are we actually going to be able to make it stand up? 899 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:34,840 No. 900 00:38:34,841 --> 00:38:36,639 Not with what we got so far. 901 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:37,999 Douglas Murray's behind all this, 902 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,799 he's a conniving little sod. 903 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:40,879 Let's have another go at him. 904 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,360 Yeah. Mob handed. 905 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:47,560 [Children's toy bleeps] 906 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,600 [Dramatic music] 907 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,840 [Door creaks] 908 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,479 Back-up's on the way. 909 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,280 We'd better call an ambulance just to make sure but... 910 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,160 Okay, cheers. 911 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,120 Bye. 912 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,199 Preliminary post-mortem shows, 913 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,839 that Murray died from head injuries 914 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,359 resulting from blunt trauma, 915 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,639 and there's also signs that a TV 916 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,959 and a video recorder went missing. 917 00:39:58,960 --> 00:39:59,800 Or maybe it was a blind, 918 00:39:59,801 --> 00:40:01,600 just to make it look like a burglary. 919 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,279 Now we put chambers in the frame for killing tulley, 920 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,839 because we thought he could have been a blackmail victim 921 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:10,919 back in '53. 922 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,759 Are you saying Murray was blackmailing him as well? 923 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,559 Well at least it has the virtue of consistency. 924 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,519 No, no, hang on a minute, Murray's been living 925 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,479 in a low rent flat for the last 50 years, 926 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,359 if he had anything on chambers worth money, 927 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,119 what's kept him so long? 928 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,719 I can't answer that. 929 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:29,879 Are you telling me that, sir. Edwards chambers 930 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,159 jumped in his roller, swanned off down to battersea, 931 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,800 and battered a retired stoker to death? 932 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,840 Do me a favour. 933 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,159 Takes you back, done it? 934 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,200 At least we're not on offer these days. 935 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,080 [Car brakes] 936 00:41:02,081 --> 00:41:03,160 Here we go. 937 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,519 [Police officers talking indistinctly] 938 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,879 [Battering ram banging] 939 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,279 Do you miss it, the old adrenaline rush 940 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,559 when you're on a spin? 941 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:19,400 No. 942 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:20,400 I do. 943 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,839 It was an interesting opportunity 944 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,040 to look over different people's houses. 945 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,079 Aye, got your message. 946 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,080 What's going on? 947 00:41:31,081 --> 00:41:32,719 Forensic found a DNA match 948 00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:34,759 at the scene of Murray's murder. 949 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,039 Guy who lives in the house, Ferris, 950 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,800 has got form for violence. 951 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,000 [Sombre music] 952 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,359 That's him! 953 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,559 Didn't they make a wrong number phone call 954 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:57,959 to make sure he was in? 955 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,000 What do they teach the kids these days? 956 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,520 [Car brakes screeching] 957 00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:05,079 Drive Jack. 958 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,759 Good job's a man on beta blockers. 959 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,480 [Dramatic music] 960 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:19,320 [Police siren wails] 961 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,399 Armed police, stand still. 962 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,159 All right, all right, all right. 963 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,119 Jason Ferris. 964 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,919 It's quite a file you've got here Jason, 965 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,879 kept yourself very busy. 966 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,119 [Brian] Ooh, a few years in the army. 967 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,999 Including six months in the glass house. 968 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,200 Then civvy street, 969 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,159 civilian crimes, civilian prison. 970 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,799 And then you went abroad for awhile. 971 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,439 Bit of a gap year, was it? 972 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:13,280 Travel the world, 973 00:43:13,281 --> 00:43:15,319 meet new people, kill them? 974 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,119 You've got it all written down there. 975 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,159 Yes, but we want to hear about it from you. 976 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,879 I spent a few years doing contract work 977 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,199 for security firms. 978 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,559 Where exactly? 979 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,879 Africa mostly. 980 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,159 Sierra Leone, Liberia, 981 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,719 the Democratic republic of Congo. 982 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:33,439 So what used to be called a mercenary? 983 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,559 Call it what you like. 984 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,160 It says here that you specialise in close protection work, 985 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,679 bodyguard for vips. 986 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:42,759 Yeah, I've done a bit of that. 987 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,959 You must have met some very interesting people. 988 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,280 That's confidential. 989 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,159 Two years ago your firm provided security 990 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,919 for transnational minerals in the Congo. 991 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,399 The chairman of the transnational board, 992 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,359 sir. Edward chambers, made a high profile visit, 993 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,439 did you meet him? 994 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,320 It's possible. 995 00:43:58,321 --> 00:43:59,719 For the benefit of the tape, 996 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,600 I'm now showing Jason Ferris a newspaper cutting. 997 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,839 That's sir. Edward, on that visit with a bodyguard 998 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,399 at his shoulder. 999 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,839 It's you, isn't it? 1000 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:11,840 I won't argue. 1001 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,120 Now let's get serious, 1002 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,319 did you burgle Douglas Murray's flat at the instigation 1003 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,839 of sir. Edward chambers? 1004 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:20,840 No. 1005 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,280 Whatever he's paying, 1006 00:44:23,281 --> 00:44:25,800 surely it's not worth all those years inside. 1007 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,079 No comment. 1008 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,999 Every effort will be made to trace 1009 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,959 and seize anything you've earned illegally. 1010 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,519 I don't think I have anything more to say to you people. 1011 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,719 [Jail cell door slams] 1012 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:43,880 I get offered bodyguards in many of the places I visit. 1013 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,319 None of them tend to become personal friends 1014 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,759 have you had any dealings with Jason Ferris 1015 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:53,680 since that time? 1016 00:44:53,681 --> 00:44:55,759 Not to my recollection. 1017 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,839 Has Douglas Murray made a fresh attempt to blackmail you? 1018 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,359 No action of mine could have laid me open to blackmail, 1019 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,639 therefore there could be no attempt in 1953, 1020 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,279 and therefore there'll be no fresh attempt. 1021 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,599 It's a matter of record 1022 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,799 that kikuyu tribesmen were massacred by British troops 1023 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,800 in the emergency. 1024 00:45:13,801 --> 00:45:16,279 And kikuyu were massacred by kikuyu, 1025 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,919 and so on and so forth. 1026 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,440 People weren't civilians or combatants, 1027 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,159 they were farm workers by day 1028 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,879 and mau mau guerillas by night. 1029 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,679 Are you saying there was a justification for what went on? 1030 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,919 I'm not a moral philosopher, 1031 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,759 but what I can tell you is our experiences in Kenya 1032 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,599 produced the tactics for counter insurgency, 1033 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,479 and are still being applied. 1034 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,679 Dirty tricks for dirty little conflicts, 1035 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,199 with no honour or glory. 1036 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,599 We're not here to discuss that, 1037 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,279 we're here to talk about your responsibility 1038 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,039 for two murders. 1039 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,839 You killed tulley yourself, 1040 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,359 then you contracted Ferris to kill Douglas Murray. 1041 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,240 And that's the truth, 1042 00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:58,560 isn't it sir. Edward? 1043 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,599 Well you've made a quite fascinating trawl 1044 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,479 into a long lost world, and I have nothing 1045 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,999 but praise for the team's diligence and persistence, 1046 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,999 but I've spoken to the cps at the highest level 1047 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,839 and there's no prospect of bringing charges against 1048 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:13,680 sir. Edward chambers. 1049 00:46:13,681 --> 00:46:15,119 You've got nothing that'll stand up in court. 1050 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,639 We are still investigating. 1051 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,559 Nor are you likely to find anything substantial 1052 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:20,679 at this distance in time. 1053 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,279 A man was hanged on corrupt evidence. 1054 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,120 Exactly. 1055 00:46:24,121 --> 00:46:26,159 The investigation and trial of Richard Dunn 1056 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,639 is a totally separate issue. 1057 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,839 The papers will be handed to the home office 1058 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:30,919 and there's every possibility 1059 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,879 that the verdict will be overturned. 1060 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,199 The family may well be in line 1061 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,879 to make a claim for compensation. 1062 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,559 But that's not what they want, they want justice, 1063 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,079 and justice is nailing the bugger who really did it. 1064 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,359 All right, Gerry, that's enough. 1065 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,679 Win some, lose some, 1066 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,199 the further pursuit of this inquiry 1067 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,959 is not in the public interest, end of story. 1068 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,879 [Gerry scoffs] 1069 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,480 [Sombre music] 1070 00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:57,240 [June] Hi. 1071 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,599 Hi, I'm so glad you got in touch. 1072 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:02,759 I just wanted a chance to tell you- 1073 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,799 don't, Gerry, it wouldn't have worked out. 1074 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,559 I've done emotional upheaval, I want a quiet life, 1075 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,799 and you are not the man for that. 1076 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,359 No, but I'm getting quieter all the time, I promise. 1077 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:16,919 Listen in a couple of years you're gonna have 1078 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,279 to keep checking my pulse. 1079 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,840 It's not a runner Gerry, you know that. 1080 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,600 So, why all the secrecy, the hush-hush meeting, 1081 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,159 I was hoping that you were going to say- 1082 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,160 Hannah sent me, and she wants it keep strictly unofficial. 1083 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:35,799 Well, if she's got something for us. 1084 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,680 It's a bit difficult, because officially we're off the case. 1085 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,680 Sir. Edward's a very influential man. 1086 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,799 Can't comment on that. 1087 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:46,800 All right. 1088 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,159 What does Hannah want me to do? 1089 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,679 She doesn't want you to do anything. 1090 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,200 She wants something from you. 1091 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,639 Have you seen this? 1092 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,040 Yeah it's all over the net as well. 1093 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,319 Hannah Parker's website. 1094 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,639 She had a letter from Douglas Murray 1095 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,479 only to be opened in the event of his death. 1096 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,679 Murray had the other half of the document all the time. 1097 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,839 Which stated that the Somali troops 1098 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,239 were under the command of lieutenant Edward chambers. 1099 00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:24,239 Fred tulley had left it with Murray, 1100 00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:26,199 but Murray never understood the meaning of it. 1101 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,679 Until we showed him the half we found in the suitcase, 1102 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,759 and that was when he tried to put the black on sir. Edward. 1103 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,319 All the African countries that chambers does business with 1104 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,879 are up in arms and he's had to resign 1105 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,559 as chairman of ec mining limited. 1106 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,079 So there is a bit of justice left in the world. 1107 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,119 Nevermind about justice, 1108 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,119 the point is how the hell did Hannah Parker 1109 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,319 get hold of our half of the document, eh? 1110 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,959 Nothing to do with me sir, I'm can assure you of that. 1111 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,279 Strickland. 1112 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,719 [Playful music] 1113 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:53,920 Yes, thanks. 1114 00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:58,360 Hannah Parker is on the BBC news. 1115 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,639 I'm not prepared to reveal my sources, 1116 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:05,799 but I will say that even in 1117 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,279 the most reactionary, corrupt and incompetent institutions, 1118 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,799 that there are one or two individuals 1119 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,199 who still know the meaning of integrity. 1120 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,680 [Gerry sighs] 1121 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,679 ♪ It's all right, it's okay ♪ 1122 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,519 ♪ doesn't really matter if you're old and grey ♪ 1123 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,199 ♪ it's all right, I say it's okay ♪ 1124 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,319 ♪ listen to what I say ♪ 1125 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,639 ♪ it's all right, doing fine ♪ 1126 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,439 ♪ doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine ♪ 1127 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,159 ♪ it's all right, I say it's okay ♪ 1128 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,639 ♪ we're getting to the end of the day ♪ 1129 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,839 ♪ high tech, low tech, take your pick ♪ 1130 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,959 ♪ 'cause you can't teach an old dog a brand new trick ♪ 1131 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,960 ♪ I don't care what anybody says ♪ 83070

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