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It's really good to be back.
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And we'll let the show commence.
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Its OK
when you're in a studio
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and there's no one there.
You can say, "I love you.”
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But, when there's a couple
of thousand people there,
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I'd much prefer fo say,
"I'll knock your head off."
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Philip was
a dreamer and a lover.
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He had such a huge heart.
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Smart, he was sensitive.
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For a hard rocker,
he was very, very sensitive.
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He was fun-loving, man,
he was a half-full guy.
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And talented beyond belief.
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He was all those things.
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He was young,
but how many people accomplish
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what Philip accomplished
in his life?
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What I always
feel sad about is that
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there's so much focus
on the death
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and I would love to just
know more about the man,
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the living man, the happy,
amazing, creative,
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you know, loving,
loving, loveable man.
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Well, Philip was utterly unique.
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Exotic, exciting, thrilling,
and yet Irish as well.
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If anybody had been born
to be a Rasta,
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Phil Lynott was born
to be a Rasta.
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The man was
red hot, he was on fire.
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You just wanted to be near him.
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Literally the best
hard rock entertainer
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I've ever seen, ever.
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One of the greatest songwriters
of all time.
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He was fearless
in his song writing.
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He wrote pieces of lyric music
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that touched people's hearts.
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He brought poetry
into rock music.
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He had all the moves,
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but he was very sincere
with the audience.
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He knew how to connect with them
without... It wasn't an act.
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It was Phil.
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He was
a very, very complex person.
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This is a man that it's going to
take you years to get to know.
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Someone who will
constantly surprise you.
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He was a kid living in Dublin.
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Living with his grandmother.
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Being the only Black kid
in Ireland at this point.
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He was just
trying to tell us who he was.
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He was a very intelligent,
cultured man,
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in spite of all the razzamatazz.
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He knew the power of the words.
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Philip was just
writing his life.
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He was writing the story
of his life.
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Green grass.
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A girl who used to live
across the road.
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Rain, my granny.
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And me in short trousers.
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When I went over to England,
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I was seventeen,
and I got myself in trouble.
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And a big, tall Black gentleman
became the father of Philip.
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And, in those days,
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if a girl had a baby
without a ring on her finger,
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she was soiled goods.
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And I got battered and beaten
because I was the mother
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of the Black baby.
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Philomena Lynott went through
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an extremely difficult
number of years
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before she made the decision
that Philip would be better
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back in Dublin
with her mother and father.
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I asked
my mother would she help me,
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and my mother took Philip,
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and it was heart-rending
fo leave him.
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14-15 months between us, like,
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we grew up basically
as brothers.
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Definitely did have
an English accent.
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He soon lost that.
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You hear him, he's real Dub.
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Crumlin was
a very special place.
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Big families,
there was nine of us.
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There was no such thing
as contraception then, you know.
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Two bedrooms
and an outside toilet.
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There was two double beds
in the back room
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and two double beds
in the front room.
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School, of course,
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that was just pandemonium.
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I remember exactly
the first morning
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walking through the gates.
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There was a crowd
of chaps there.
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Like, you just didn't see
Black people in Ireland in the '50s.
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And then the name came out.
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"Hey, blackie!"
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"Hey, blackie!"
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You know, and, my, the hairs
on the back of my neck.
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And I just said,
"Philip, come on,
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let's get stuck into this."
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And we went over.
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And we were in more fights,
the two of us,
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around the first few weeks
in school,
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but that was the end of it.
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They just stopped it after that.
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So, yeah, those were the days.
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I don't think he had
an easy childhood.
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And it must've
been bloody hard for him,
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if you think about it.
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Being the only Black kid
in the school
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and having a mother
that visited from England.
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But he adored his mother
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and he would've done anything
for his mother.
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I certainly always saw
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a very strong
connection between
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the rebel spirit
that Philip had
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and the rebel spirit
that Philomena had shown.
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He reflected an extraordinary
love of Philomena
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in his song writing.
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A child who is separated
from the parent
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that has brought them up for
the first seven or eight years,
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that is obviously going
to have a huge impact.
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At that time,
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Ireland was very much
an oppressive state.
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In many ways,
precisely the opposite
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of the land of opportunity.
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But there was a sense that
rock and roll mattered.
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Show bands dominated
music in Ireland.
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Dancehalls everywhere
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and people dancing
seven nights a week.
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Big ballrooms
in the middle of nowhere.
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No alcohol
and the opposite sex.
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Kind of a teenage show band.
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It was a very innocent thing
when you think back on it.
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There's a bunch of fifteen
or sixteen-year-olds
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going around the place
and getting paid to do it.
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We used
to call ourselves The Eagles.
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Then we heard there was a little
Mickey Mouse band in America
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called The Eagles.
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So, we said
we'd better change our name.
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And then, of course,
when Philip came in,
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it was an automatic change
to The Black Eagles.
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We'd be out travelling, playing
second fiddle to the show bands.
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And we could be going to
Dundalk, or Tramore or Galway.
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Then you'd be back home and up
for school the next morning.
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If Philip was short of something,
he was short of confidence.
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But he stood out.
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Bear in mind,
I'm only thirteen at the time
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but I knew he had
something special.
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We make connections
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which can have
a transformative effect.
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The fact Philip connected
with Brian Downey at school
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was something
that mattered hugely
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to the way in which his life
and his career developed.
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One Monday morning, me and
Brian Downey were called down
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fo the headmaster and he goes,
"What do you wanna do?
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Do you want a good,
steady trade and job
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and be able fo support
a wife and children
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or do you want fo be
a dirty rock musician?"
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I remember
when he joined Skid Row
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Brush Shiels would say,
"Get out in front there, Philip,
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and take the jigs."
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And he picked Philip
'cause he was a looker.
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I'm a big Harry Belafonte fan,
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I says, "Who's this guy?
He looks good.
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If he can sing,
then we're in business."
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So, I went in and I said to him,
"What do you like?"
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And he says to me,
"I like Paul Simon,
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"I Am A Rock"."
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I said, "Ah, nothing..."
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Then he says, "I like Nico
and The Velvet Underground."
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I says, "No, nothing like that.
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Like, you wanna be Jimi Hendrix,
that's where we're going."
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That was a great line-up.
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Gary Moore had arrived
down from Belfast
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at the age of sixteen,
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to become the guitar player
in Skid Row.
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He'd go on to have a relationship
with Philip over the years,
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as a sideman
and as a rival.
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This was a band
that had pedigree.
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The ideal training ground,
really, for performance.
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He wasn't singing
on key that well.
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But then it turned out that he had
a very bad tonsil in his throat.
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So, his ma brought him over
to Manchester
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to get his tonsils done.
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When he came back,
I had to let him go.
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He came on my honeymoon,
he was one of my best pals.
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I took it very badly and he took it
very badly but it had to be done.
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There's no turning back
with these things.
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You knew, for Phil to survive,
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I told him, "You have to play
an instrument."
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And I promised
that I'd teach him how to play.
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And the next day
he was up at my house
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to start the bass lessons.
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That was it, away he went.
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The beginning of Philo.
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The first thing you need
to know about the bass is
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it's that big heavy thing that
hangs down between your legs.
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The bass is this secret weapon,
it's where the power comes from.
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It locks in a groove
with the drum Kit.
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The drums and the bass give you
that nice, sexy
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wiggle of the hips.
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And then all the other
girly stuff sits on top.
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But we are the men of the band.
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Philip became
a very accomplished musician,
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so it was a weapon in his hands.
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Da-da!
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This is where it all happens,
folks.
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I remember the first night I ever
went out in Dublin on my own.
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I went round all these pubs,
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"Do you know any
bass players and drummers?"
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"Sorry, we can't help you."
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I thought, "You silly bastard.
What have you done?'
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And then I met Eric Wrixon
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and we ended up going
to the Countdown Club.
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Next minute, this band
walked on the stage
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and Philip was the singer and
Brian Downey was the drummer.
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Laugh at this or not, but
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a wise man makes
his own opportunities.
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And I'd said, "Right."
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I got up, sort of staggered over
to the changing room door
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and knocked on it.
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"Come in."
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I forgot to mention this.
It was my first trip on acid.
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I couldn't talk to them.
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I was giggling
at everything I said.
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And they thought I was
an escaped nutter or something.
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And I said, "Yeah, I'm actually
looking for a bass player
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and drummer and
I can't find anybody
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and my money's running out..."
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And Phil said, "Right, we'll
form a band with you, Eric,
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on two conditions.
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Number one:
I wanna play the bass."
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And I said, "OK,
can you play the bass?"
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He said, "I'm getting lessons
from Brush Shiels."
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"OK, what's the second?"
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He said, "I wanna do
some of my own songs."
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And when I heard Philip's songs,
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I imagined my own guitar
playing in them.
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I just knew.
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Philip started
his early writing career
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as a kind of poet,
and that's what he was.
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The songs come
from inspiration,
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but I don't really check out
where the inspiration comes from
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cause thats getting
foo close fo the mark.
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You write about what you know
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and Philip wrote about
his life in Dublin.
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There was
a cinema called The Star.
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And all the kids went there.
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They showed
all the cowboy movies.
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Roy Rogers, Hopalong Cassidy,
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all those movies,
so we used to go there.
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The whole
point of Philip's existence
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was this miasma of different
cultural interactions.
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Comic books,
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you had Irish myths and legends:
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the children of Lir, Cuchulain.
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You had cowboys,
he was obsessed with cowboys.
250
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And Philip found his own
niche in the middle of all that
251
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with the mythical
as well as mystical.
252
00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:24,296
He liked everything
from the Lone Ranger
253
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to Gnasher and
Dennis the Menace
254
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in the Beano at the time.
255
00:19:43,783 --> 00:19:45,651
The first Lizzy variant
was a four-piece.
256
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Eric Wrixon on keyboard.
257
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And essentially he was let go
258
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simply because they weren't
generating enough money.
259
00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:03,402
Philip said,
"Traffic got a house together,
260
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the Allman Brothers
got a house together,
261
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Crosby, Stills and Nash
have got a house together,
262
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and they're doing it because
they can work on their music
263
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all day every day.
264
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You're living it."
265
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Philip had tuned in to the idea
266
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that you could express yourself
through music
267
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and he found a voice.
268
00:20:26,092 --> 00:20:28,527
Philip had this amazing
energy about him.
269
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I'd be sitting on the sofa
with an acoustic guitar
270
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and Brian Downey doing this.
271
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Philip would say,
"I've got this idea.
272
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What was that you were playing?"
273
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And I'd play it,
and he said, "No,
274
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too bluesy. No, too jazzy.
Too folky. Too rocky."
275
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I said,
"What do you frickin' want?
276
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It's all I know.
You've heard it, you know."
277
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And he'd say, "Yeah,
that's when you start."
278
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You could see Philip
developing as a lyric writer
279
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and he was sort of
folky, mystic,
280
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part of that folk tradition
that was happening at the time.
281
00:21:10,603 --> 00:21:13,139
There was more honesty in
his writing in the early days.
282
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Much more innocent.
283
00:21:15,007 --> 00:21:18,177
He hadn't had a taste
of the bigtime yet.
284
00:21:19,411 --> 00:21:21,947
Philip created
a cast of characters.
285
00:21:22,715 --> 00:21:24,250
He was looking
at the people he knew.
286
00:21:24,483 --> 00:21:27,186
And he was including them
in his songs.
287
00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:31,190
It was a summer,
so you know how summers stretch.
288
00:21:31,323 --> 00:21:33,926
You always think they're much
longer than they actually are.
289
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They had a little summer house,
a conservatory thing
290
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attached to the side
of the house.
291
00:21:38,330 --> 00:21:39,565
They said I could
basically stay there
292
00:21:39,732 --> 00:21:42,902
providing I made sure there was bread
and cornflakes and all that stuff.
293
00:21:43,068 --> 00:21:44,537
We got on incredibly well.
294
00:21:45,004 --> 00:21:47,873
There was nothing physical
at all, it was just verbal.
295
00:21:48,774 --> 00:21:50,709
And then after that
something had changed.
296
00:21:55,848 --> 00:21:57,783
The first time I heard,
I was a bit worried
297
00:21:57,950 --> 00:21:59,752
he was improving a bit too fast
for my liking.
298
00:22:31,817 --> 00:22:34,286
"Be afraid". I mean, that's
kind of worrying, isn't it?
299
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"Be afraid".
300
00:22:50,202 --> 00:22:52,771
I had a ferocious side
in those days, I had a temper.
301
00:23:00,813 --> 00:23:03,616
I had an awful lot going on in my
head, I wanted answers to everything.
302
00:23:03,782 --> 00:23:05,885
I spent my entire life
asking why, when,
303
00:23:06,085 --> 00:23:07,953
what am I doing here,
who am I?
304
00:23:08,087 --> 00:23:10,990
And I think he had
a similar thing going on.
305
00:23:13,125 --> 00:23:16,028
At one stage, during the time
I managed the band,
306
00:23:16,195 --> 00:23:19,632
we took a break,
and it was around Philip's 21st.
307
00:23:20,633 --> 00:23:22,868
We decided we'd go to London
for the holiday.
308
00:23:23,802 --> 00:23:26,305
And Philip said
to myself and Brian,
309
00:23:27,306 --> 00:23:30,643
"My mother says my dad
works there as a barber.
310
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So, I'd like to see
if I can find him.
311
00:23:35,014 --> 00:23:39,084
This is both a sad and
funny story in a weird way.
312
00:23:39,752 --> 00:23:43,489
But anyway, we went onto the road
and there were loads of barber shops
313
00:23:43,656 --> 00:23:46,659
and Philip went in and
myself and Brian stayed outside.
314
00:23:47,626 --> 00:23:50,029
And Philip came out
and he said, "No, no, no."
315
00:23:50,329 --> 00:23:53,265
So then, we only went down
about two or three shops
316
00:23:53,465 --> 00:23:54,733
and there was
another barber shop
317
00:23:54,900 --> 00:23:56,769
and the same thing happened:
"No, no, no."
318
00:23:56,936 --> 00:23:59,538
Anyway, after about
the fifth one, Philip came out
319
00:23:59,705 --> 00:24:01,073
and said, "Fuck this."
320
00:24:01,573 --> 00:24:02,741
And we just went off.
321
00:24:03,809 --> 00:24:05,711
I suppose it might've been
to do with our age
322
00:24:05,844 --> 00:24:10,616
or how men maybe, or young men
behaved at the time.
323
00:24:11,183 --> 00:24:12,618
It didn't really occur to me
324
00:24:12,785 --> 00:24:16,989
that, "Oh, God,
he's looking for his dad."
325
00:24:17,623 --> 00:24:20,392
Or anything like that, that was
just something he was doing.
326
00:24:21,493 --> 00:24:25,030
But he just kept saying,
"I'd really like to find him."
327
00:24:29,134 --> 00:24:32,538
It was like he resigned himself
to it very rapidly.
328
00:24:33,339 --> 00:24:36,842
He wouldn't be the kind of person
that would want to spoil our day.
329
00:24:37,543 --> 00:24:39,745
So, we just came out of there
and we just went off.
330
00:24:39,912 --> 00:24:43,182
I think we went to Kensington Market
and bought some bell bottoms.
331
00:25:36,301 --> 00:25:39,138
Even though he was
an easy-going kind of bloke,
332
00:25:39,805 --> 00:25:41,140
there was a drive there
333
00:25:41,306 --> 00:25:45,978
that he'd start setting
his sights on things, higher.
334
00:25:51,984 --> 00:25:54,853
He didn't wanna hang around
too long around Dublin.
335
00:25:55,020 --> 00:25:57,689
That guy had ambitions.
336
00:25:59,491 --> 00:26:01,794
I don't know anybody who
doesn't want to move forward.
337
00:26:01,927 --> 00:26:05,564
In that time, most people left, and
to get anywhere, you had to leave.
338
00:26:05,731 --> 00:26:07,466
There's a big wide world
out there.
339
00:26:07,633 --> 00:26:09,535
Never mind England,
there was America.
340
00:26:09,768 --> 00:26:11,270
So, no, he wanted to go.
341
00:26:11,703 --> 00:26:14,473
He wanted to record,
he wanted a recording deal.
342
00:26:14,807 --> 00:26:16,108
He wasn't getting that
in Ireland.
343
00:26:16,942 --> 00:26:18,143
He was on a different path,
344
00:26:18,343 --> 00:26:20,179
a path that he'd known
from a young age.
345
00:26:24,783 --> 00:26:26,185
He loved Dublin.
346
00:26:26,452 --> 00:26:27,653
Dublin was home.
347
00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:29,788
You know, it was
where the heart is.
348
00:26:30,489 --> 00:26:32,291
He was in love with Dublin.
349
00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:34,593
He loved being a Dub.
350
00:26:36,261 --> 00:26:37,329
Up the Dubs.
351
00:26:40,532 --> 00:26:43,035
It really was
an extraordinary love affair.
352
00:27:49,234 --> 00:27:51,336
How do you write that?
You have to be there.
353
00:27:51,537 --> 00:27:53,572
You have to live there
before you can say that.
354
00:27:54,806 --> 00:27:56,942
There's that
wonderful line it where he says,
355
00:27:57,109 --> 00:27:58,777
"And that sea
with blowing hair".
356
00:27:58,944 --> 00:28:02,814
You know, he just encapsulated
what it was like to stand there
357
00:28:03,448 --> 00:28:08,487
and to look at this strip
of land just disappear.
358
00:28:08,954 --> 00:28:12,591
And the loved ones
you leave behind.
359
00:28:53,498 --> 00:28:56,868
A lot of people think we just waltzed
over to England all of a sudden.
360
00:28:58,904 --> 00:29:00,205
No, it wasn't like that at all.
361
00:29:03,208 --> 00:29:05,544
We had to start
from the very bottom,
362
00:29:06,011 --> 00:29:09,047
all over again, 'cause nobody
knew who the freak we were.
363
00:29:10,182 --> 00:29:11,950
One of the top bands in Ireland.
364
00:29:12,351 --> 00:29:14,152
Now we'll go
and conquer England.
365
00:29:15,220 --> 00:29:16,455
I don't think so.
366
00:29:16,788 --> 00:29:17,656
Thin who?
367
00:29:21,026 --> 00:29:23,428
When we got to London,
there were signs saying:
368
00:29:23,562 --> 00:29:26,265
"No Irish, no Blacks, no dogs".
369
00:29:27,899 --> 00:29:30,802
There was no way that he would think
because he was Black or Irish,
370
00:29:31,069 --> 00:29:33,338
he was lesser than
anybody else on the planet.
371
00:29:34,473 --> 00:29:36,308
But he needed to prove it
to himself.
372
00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:40,579
It was very, very difficult.
373
00:29:41,246 --> 00:29:44,383
Philip had one room in London which
he shared with his girlfriend.
374
00:29:44,983 --> 00:29:46,585
I lived in this horrible attic.
375
00:29:47,052 --> 00:29:49,021
And Brian Downey had no windows.
376
00:29:49,221 --> 00:29:52,124
And a guy that made
porn movies next door to him.
377
00:29:53,525 --> 00:29:56,962
Meanwhile, back in Ireland, everybody
thought we were like fucking royalty.
378
00:30:54,786 --> 00:30:57,656
I didn't know
anything about them until I was
379
00:30:57,923 --> 00:30:59,691
booked as the opening act
380
00:31:00,592 --> 00:31:02,728
on Slade's first ever
nationwide tour.
381
00:31:03,695 --> 00:31:05,630
That was the first time
I met Phil.
382
00:31:06,164 --> 00:31:09,534
He was not in your face
like he was later, not at all.
383
00:31:09,735 --> 00:31:12,137
In fact, they worked very much
as a three-piece.
384
00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:15,974
At this point in time,
Philip's pretty shy on stage.
385
00:31:16,375 --> 00:31:18,110
I was more out front than him.
386
00:31:18,944 --> 00:31:21,413
Maybe he was finding
his feet. I know I was.
387
00:31:23,048 --> 00:31:26,451
On that tour, Thin Lizzy
had a bit of hostility.
388
00:31:26,618 --> 00:31:28,387
And I remember Noddy
mentioning it a few times.
389
00:31:28,587 --> 00:31:30,322
"Don't worry,
doesn't mean anything.
390
00:31:30,522 --> 00:31:32,524
They're just our crazy fans
and they wanna see us
391
00:31:32,691 --> 00:31:34,092
and nobody else,"
and blah blah.
392
00:31:34,259 --> 00:31:35,861
But that must've been
hard for them.
393
00:31:36,328 --> 00:31:38,964
Phil, God love him,
went up to the mic, he says,
394
00:31:39,531 --> 00:31:41,733
"For fuck's sake,
give us a chance, will you?"
395
00:31:42,567 --> 00:31:44,770
And they just started:
"We want Slade!
396
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:46,905
We want Slade!
397
00:31:47,472 --> 00:31:49,074
We want Slade!"
398
00:31:50,008 --> 00:31:52,444
And we walked into
our changing room defeated.
399
00:31:53,245 --> 00:31:55,514
And, next minute,
the door bangs open
400
00:31:55,714 --> 00:31:58,750
and Chas Chandler walks in,
who is Slade's manager.
401
00:31:58,884 --> 00:32:02,020
But he also managed Hendrix,
one of Phil's idols.
402
00:32:03,822 --> 00:32:05,123
"What was all that about?
403
00:32:05,891 --> 00:32:08,794
Listen, I'll tell you what,
if yous don't get it together,
404
00:32:08,927 --> 00:32:11,663
you're off the fucking tour,"
and he slammed the door.
405
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:14,366
And Philip was like white.
406
00:32:15,667 --> 00:32:18,870
That takes a pivotal moment
to push you in that spotlight.
407
00:32:19,671 --> 00:32:21,973
Maybe that toughened him up
to be who he was, too.
408
00:32:22,741 --> 00:32:25,010
He had to morph into
something that would make it.
409
00:32:25,911 --> 00:32:28,814
You have to find a way to get to
each person in the audience.
410
00:32:30,582 --> 00:32:32,651
He was blown away by Slade.
411
00:32:33,251 --> 00:32:35,821
Every night, Philip would be
standing in the wings
412
00:32:35,987 --> 00:32:38,657
watching Noddy Holder,
taking it all in.
413
00:32:39,324 --> 00:32:40,725
He was learning all the time.
414
00:32:40,892 --> 00:32:43,228
That's the way he was,
picking up ideas
415
00:32:43,428 --> 00:32:44,529
all over the place.
416
00:32:45,096 --> 00:32:47,933
Noddy Holder's hat had
all the little mirrors on it.
417
00:32:49,034 --> 00:32:50,602
He thought that was
a great idea.
418
00:32:51,937 --> 00:32:54,539
Philip came in and he said,
419
00:32:54,706 --> 00:32:56,074
"Hey, Harry, look at this."
420
00:32:56,541 --> 00:32:58,977
A mirror that you got
for a budgie's cage.
421
00:33:00,712 --> 00:33:04,483
And he says, "I'm gonna shine
this in all the chicks' eyes."
422
00:33:14,926 --> 00:33:18,263
He put a mirror
right on his guitar,
423
00:33:19,030 --> 00:33:20,499
which caught the spotlight,
424
00:33:21,132 --> 00:33:23,134
and he'd shine it around
at the audience.
425
00:33:23,535 --> 00:33:26,705
And eye up the girls,
find the really attractive ones
426
00:33:26,872 --> 00:33:28,673
in the audience
and light them up.
427
00:33:28,907 --> 00:33:31,810
He'd go, "I hear
some of you girls out there
428
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:33,812
got a little Irish in ya."
429
00:33:34,212 --> 00:33:35,514
And they'd go, "Yeah!"
430
00:33:35,647 --> 00:33:37,616
He'd go, "Would you like
a little more?"
431
00:33:42,053 --> 00:33:44,222
The change was totally dramatic.
432
00:33:44,823 --> 00:33:47,325
All the poses, the trousers,
the mirrors.
433
00:33:48,260 --> 00:33:50,262
He could hold the audience
in the palm of his hand.
434
00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:55,066
He was born to be on stage.
435
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:56,902
He was a showman.
436
00:34:44,082 --> 00:34:47,052
You see the writing turn
and the sound of the band change
437
00:34:47,218 --> 00:34:50,255
and it becomes a lot more
affected by '70s glam
438
00:34:50,622 --> 00:34:53,191
and I guess that's where Philip
came into his own,
439
00:34:53,325 --> 00:34:55,794
both as a songwriter
and visually.
440
00:34:56,661 --> 00:34:58,029
"I am your main man.
441
00:34:58,163 --> 00:35:01,032
If you're looking for trouble, you
don't have to go anywhere else."
442
00:35:02,734 --> 00:35:05,704
That's a great statement
of bravado
443
00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:09,074
and you have to protect
that position as a man,
444
00:35:09,207 --> 00:35:10,809
if you stand up and say that.
445
00:35:11,142 --> 00:35:12,644
But it takes some balls.
446
00:35:15,647 --> 00:35:19,150
You didn't often get
real introspection
447
00:35:19,551 --> 00:35:21,152
in Philip Lynott songs.
448
00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:23,788
We tended to be describing
a world outside.
449
00:35:23,922 --> 00:35:25,590
He'd tend to be
creating characters
450
00:35:25,724 --> 00:35:28,193
who were up to various
adventures and misadventures.
451
00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:33,431
I think every writer does that,
especially in the music world.
452
00:35:33,932 --> 00:35:36,501
That tenderness, that honesty,
that vulnerability
453
00:35:36,668 --> 00:35:40,305
is always hidden
by a big noisy band.
454
00:35:41,573 --> 00:35:45,310
And when we stand up there
as big bold rock stars,
455
00:35:45,777 --> 00:35:48,213
we need some armour
against the world.
456
00:35:48,546 --> 00:35:50,482
And it's quite hard
to stand up there
457
00:35:51,783 --> 00:35:53,585
and fully reveal yourself.
458
00:35:54,052 --> 00:35:55,887
I think it may have
started out as a game,
459
00:35:56,054 --> 00:35:57,789
but he actually probably
did become it
460
00:35:57,922 --> 00:36:00,859
because he had to have
a stage persona.
461
00:36:01,026 --> 00:36:03,294
And I think that almost became
bigger than he was.
462
00:36:04,496 --> 00:36:06,498
I think the onstage
Philip was the Philip
463
00:36:06,665 --> 00:36:08,233
that Philip had in his mind.
464
00:36:08,733 --> 00:36:13,304
There was this constant pulling,
this to-ing and fro-ing
465
00:36:13,738 --> 00:36:15,807
between the sensitive poet
466
00:36:17,042 --> 00:36:18,843
and the rock star.
467
00:36:19,544 --> 00:36:22,547
It's just tempting to let
the grr take over.
468
00:36:23,214 --> 00:36:24,249
It just is.
469
00:36:34,592 --> 00:36:37,328
Nobody knows what goes on
470
00:36:37,529 --> 00:36:39,130
when you have
an ethnic difference
471
00:36:40,231 --> 00:36:42,167
because you're taking blows
all the time,
472
00:36:42,333 --> 00:36:43,868
you just let 'em wash off.
473
00:36:44,602 --> 00:36:47,005
Trust me, there were people
saying stuff to this guy
474
00:36:47,172 --> 00:36:48,573
that was hurting him
to his core.
475
00:37:10,161 --> 00:37:12,664
In the early days,
with Philip in Ireland,
476
00:37:13,064 --> 00:37:14,733
if you went into
an ordinary shop,
477
00:37:15,333 --> 00:37:18,336
it was a bit like a cowboy movie
when the piano player'd stop.
478
00:37:19,771 --> 00:37:20,972
And everybody'd go...
479
00:37:22,073 --> 00:37:24,642
Because they'd never really seen
a Black person before.
480
00:37:35,854 --> 00:37:39,257
I think being Black
fuelled his ambition.
481
00:37:40,024 --> 00:37:41,326
It sort of gave him an edge.
482
00:37:42,193 --> 00:37:43,628
Boy, did it give him an edge.
483
00:37:53,571 --> 00:37:56,908
There was a very big
moment when the decision was,
484
00:37:57,041 --> 00:37:58,743
if you like, forced on the band,
485
00:37:58,910 --> 00:38:02,113
that "Whiskey in the Jar"
should be the single.
486
00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:12,223
It was a folk song.
487
00:38:15,193 --> 00:38:17,462
Our manager said,
"What was that you were playing
488
00:38:17,629 --> 00:38:18,963
just before I came in?"
489
00:38:19,230 --> 00:38:20,965
And we're looking at him
like, "What?
490
00:38:21,533 --> 00:38:23,968
Only messing about
with "Whiskey in the Jar'."
491
00:38:24,903 --> 00:38:27,338
And he says, "I think
you have a hit there."
492
00:38:28,106 --> 00:38:29,874
We were gonna throw him
out the window.
493
00:38:30,008 --> 00:38:33,211
"You want us to record
an Irish folk song
494
00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:36,347
and we left Ireland
to get away from this music."
495
00:38:37,415 --> 00:38:39,651
In those sort of magic moments
496
00:38:39,818 --> 00:38:42,020
where someone makes
the right decision,
497
00:38:42,187 --> 00:38:43,822
people's lives are transformed.
498
00:38:44,289 --> 00:38:47,792
We thought, as a laugh, for
all our supporters back in Ireland,
499
00:38:47,992 --> 00:38:49,928
we'd send up
the whole singles thing
500
00:38:50,094 --> 00:38:51,629
by doing a rocked-up version.
501
00:38:51,763 --> 00:38:53,164
So, it was a bit of a joke.
502
00:38:57,168 --> 00:38:58,970
And to get us
on the way, we've got a band.
503
00:38:59,137 --> 00:39:00,672
They're by the name
of Thin Lizzy.
504
00:39:00,805 --> 00:39:04,108
They don't drink whiskey by
the glass, they drink it by the jar.
505
00:39:15,220 --> 00:39:16,454
And all of a sudden,
506
00:39:17,655 --> 00:39:18,990
we're on Top of the Pops.
507
00:39:21,492 --> 00:39:22,894
I was like, "Huh?"
508
00:39:31,502 --> 00:39:34,339
In those days, if you were
on Top of the Pops, man,
509
00:39:34,606 --> 00:39:35,740
you had it made.
510
00:40:12,510 --> 00:40:14,812
Fu... My heart was... sorry.
511
00:40:15,046 --> 00:40:17,548
My heart was thumping out
with excitement
512
00:40:17,682 --> 00:40:20,084
and, you know,
I'm looking around.
513
00:40:30,929 --> 00:40:34,065
It is one of those songs that,
even if you don't know it,
514
00:40:34,499 --> 00:40:37,168
it makes you happy, it makes
you bounce, just gets you going.
515
00:40:40,338 --> 00:40:42,173
We thought "Whiskey in the Jar"
was terrible.
516
00:40:43,541 --> 00:40:45,843
And so did everybody, really.
517
00:40:47,912 --> 00:40:51,416
It was so un-them
when they had original music.
518
00:40:51,616 --> 00:40:53,217
But it was a breakthrough,
So, hey.
519
00:40:53,751 --> 00:40:54,852
You can't knock it.
520
00:40:55,586 --> 00:40:56,821
But anyway, that took off.
521
00:40:57,989 --> 00:41:02,260
And, you know, he probably spent
the rest of his life
522
00:41:02,860 --> 00:41:04,028
trying not to play it.
523
00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:06,764
It was opening doors
524
00:41:06,931 --> 00:41:10,702
that had been firmly bolted
and padlocked before that.
525
00:41:10,902 --> 00:41:12,670
"Whiskey in the Jar”
526
00:41:12,804 --> 00:41:13,871
"Whiskey in the Jar”
527
00:41:14,005 --> 00:41:15,473
"Whiskey in the Jar”
528
00:41:15,606 --> 00:41:18,309
Denmark, Sweden,
Holland, Germany,
529
00:41:18,509 --> 00:41:19,844
a little bit in France,
530
00:41:20,011 --> 00:41:22,380
we just played ceaselessly,
531
00:41:22,747 --> 00:41:25,817
week after week after week
after week after week.
532
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:33,324
I was slowly cracking up.
533
00:41:34,659 --> 00:41:37,495
Here I am, in a band
that I was so proud of.
534
00:41:38,062 --> 00:41:40,665
And we had to mime
on all these TV shows.
535
00:41:41,032 --> 00:41:43,668
So, you start wondering
why you're doing it.
536
00:41:45,069 --> 00:41:48,306
I started getting very drunk
because all I'm doing is miming.
537
00:41:50,975 --> 00:41:54,145
Apart from all this, my personal
life was going to shit.
538
00:41:56,948 --> 00:41:59,450
The whole thing started
slowly crumbling to a halt.
539
00:42:12,330 --> 00:42:15,166
Out on stage that night
I was, like...
540
00:42:16,267 --> 00:42:17,902
I shouldn't have been on stage.
541
00:42:18,703 --> 00:42:20,071
I looked out in the audience
542
00:42:20,204 --> 00:42:22,507
and people looking at me
trying to play the guitar
543
00:42:22,673 --> 00:42:24,909
which was impossible
at that point in time.
544
00:42:25,309 --> 00:42:28,112
And this voice just said,
"You've gotta get out."
545
00:42:29,547 --> 00:42:30,748
And before I knew it,
546
00:42:32,283 --> 00:42:34,652
I got my guitar
and I threw it up in the air
547
00:42:36,854 --> 00:42:40,625
and it's weird 'cause
you remember that moment.
548
00:42:43,094 --> 00:42:44,462
Here it comes.
549
00:42:46,297 --> 00:42:48,266
Smack into the stage.
550
00:42:51,602 --> 00:42:52,703
That was it.
551
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:54,272
The end of me and Lizzy.
552
00:42:54,739 --> 00:42:55,773
It was over.
553
00:43:08,753 --> 00:43:11,923
You have a reset
in the spring of 1974.
554
00:43:12,190 --> 00:43:13,591
And it starts all over again.
555
00:43:20,898 --> 00:43:22,733
Being in a band
is just like being in life.
556
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:25,336
Things don't look like you're
ever gonna be able to get out
557
00:43:25,536 --> 00:43:27,271
of that black hole
and all of a sudden
558
00:43:27,472 --> 00:43:28,673
bang, you're out of
the black hole
559
00:43:28,806 --> 00:43:31,209
and you're off on
a new golden run, if you will.
560
00:43:32,009 --> 00:43:34,212
The management said
it would be worth our while
561
00:43:34,378 --> 00:43:37,548
fo keep the name and
to try and find replacements.
562
00:43:37,882 --> 00:43:39,617
We started from scratch,
563
00:43:39,784 --> 00:43:42,687
we started playing all the small
venues and building it up.
564
00:43:45,089 --> 00:43:48,059
We get to this first
show and there was literally
565
00:43:48,593 --> 00:43:51,229
more bouncers than
there were paying customers.
566
00:43:52,263 --> 00:43:54,565
"One, two, three, four,
vaaanngg," the kids say,
567
00:43:54,732 --> 00:43:57,001
and Phil starts jumping
all over the place.
568
00:43:57,468 --> 00:43:59,504
Brian Robertson's going crazy
on my right
569
00:43:59,670 --> 00:44:01,939
and Downey's getting
a lot more animated,
570
00:44:02,106 --> 00:44:03,541
I'm going, "What the fuck, man?"
571
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:07,178
Phil kept looking over his
shoulder at me.
572
00:44:07,445 --> 00:44:10,014
"Get... Come on!" I'm going...
573
00:44:10,481 --> 00:44:11,782
"Get... Get..."
574
00:44:12,350 --> 00:44:14,185
He stopped playing the bass,
walked over,
575
00:44:14,352 --> 00:44:16,721
grabbed me by the collar,
dragged me over the front
576
00:44:16,888 --> 00:44:19,590
and goes, "Bang. Don't fuckin'
move from there."
577
00:44:20,892 --> 00:44:21,726
"OK."
578
00:44:22,593 --> 00:44:24,562
Going from
a three-piece to a four-piece,
579
00:44:24,729 --> 00:44:27,031
things did change
because they naturally do.
580
00:44:27,298 --> 00:44:29,901
But it wasn't a change for
the worse, it was just a change.
581
00:44:30,468 --> 00:44:32,737
This is it.
Year zero begins now.
582
00:44:33,171 --> 00:44:35,573
Let's sweep away the old
and let's see what we can do.
583
00:44:40,978 --> 00:44:44,048
When we get into the studio,
the producer kept going,
584
00:44:44,215 --> 00:44:47,485
"Yeah, can you just turn that down
a little bit? Yeah."
585
00:44:47,652 --> 00:44:50,121
"Yeah, just turn it down
a little more."
586
00:44:50,454 --> 00:44:51,589
"Uh, OK."
587
00:44:52,657 --> 00:44:54,659
You know,
I call it our cocktail album.
588
00:44:55,493 --> 00:44:57,528
"I say,
would you like a highball?
589
00:44:58,095 --> 00:44:59,830
Put on that Thin Lizzy album."
590
00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:37,301
Anyway, we digress.
591
00:45:46,811 --> 00:45:48,212
Thin Lizzy never had
592
00:45:48,379 --> 00:45:52,149
a completely consistent
recording sound.
593
00:45:54,085 --> 00:45:55,653
It started with that first album
594
00:45:55,820 --> 00:45:58,589
and it was the same attitude
to the last album.
595
00:45:58,723 --> 00:46:00,224
We wrote what we wrote
596
00:46:00,391 --> 00:46:02,627
and it's gonna come out
as it's gonna come out.
597
00:46:07,231 --> 00:46:08,733
There was the possibility here
598
00:46:08,899 --> 00:46:10,568
of doing something unique
599
00:46:10,735 --> 00:46:13,704
by combining the talents
of two complementary
600
00:46:13,871 --> 00:46:15,873
but distinctive guitar players.
601
00:46:20,344 --> 00:46:22,046
The harmony guitar thing.
602
00:46:24,148 --> 00:46:26,751
It was like a mistake
that happened in the studio.
603
00:46:27,585 --> 00:46:31,055
Brian had gone out
just to record a single line.
604
00:46:31,722 --> 00:46:35,426
And the engineer
had left this echo on.
605
00:46:36,127 --> 00:46:38,029
So, when it fed back on itself,
606
00:46:38,296 --> 00:46:39,864
it fed back in harmony.
607
00:46:40,698 --> 00:46:42,533
And, we came back
into the studio,
608
00:46:42,767 --> 00:46:44,135
"Yeah, it sounds pretty cool."
609
00:46:44,468 --> 00:46:47,171
After a while, it just became
this natural thing.
610
00:46:47,571 --> 00:46:49,874
Twin harmony Thin Lizzy sound.
611
00:46:51,942 --> 00:46:54,211
So, for the first number,
612
00:46:54,445 --> 00:46:56,947
can the people in the front row
stay a bit back?
613
00:46:57,214 --> 00:46:59,850
And we'll let the show commence.
Here we go.
614
00:47:00,451 --> 00:47:01,986
Two, three, four!
615
00:47:03,321 --> 00:47:04,722
By that stage,
616
00:47:04,889 --> 00:47:09,260
Philip had developed
the confidence as a frontman
617
00:47:09,894 --> 00:47:13,264
to step out
and establish himself
618
00:47:13,497 --> 00:47:16,467
as the focal point
while also being part of
619
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,502
that rock and roll gang.
620
00:47:20,004 --> 00:47:22,006
His image was everything
at that point.
621
00:47:22,306 --> 00:47:23,341
Everything.
622
00:47:23,541 --> 00:47:24,809
I could be in and out of the bathroom
623
00:47:24,975 --> 00:47:26,577
and all the rest of it
in record time,
624
00:47:26,744 --> 00:47:29,814
and he'd still be deciding
what scarf went with the ouffit.
625
00:47:30,014 --> 00:47:33,184
You'll never see a bad photo
of Phil Lynott. Damn!
626
00:47:33,751 --> 00:47:36,153
That guy could put on anything
and look great,
627
00:47:36,287 --> 00:47:37,922
then he'd go,
"Here, you try it on."
628
00:47:38,089 --> 00:47:40,491
You try it on, look in the
mirror, and you look like a clown.
629
00:47:41,025 --> 00:47:42,693
Over the years,
Lizzy did daft things
630
00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:44,662
like the cover
of the "Fighting" album.
631
00:47:44,829 --> 00:47:47,865
And there was all sorts of
cartoon posing.
632
00:47:48,499 --> 00:47:52,370
We are anything but hard-looking men
in this photograph.
633
00:47:52,570 --> 00:47:53,604
Come on!
634
00:47:55,539 --> 00:47:57,808
We brought in a make-up artist
to make it look like
635
00:47:57,975 --> 00:48:00,544
we'd just been in
a really ass-kicking gang war.
636
00:48:00,911 --> 00:48:03,981
And Phil got a little bit of
blood down here.
637
00:48:04,281 --> 00:48:07,251
Robertson was, like,
bit of a shiner there.
638
00:48:07,451 --> 00:48:09,153
I said, "Oh, man, I want...
639
00:48:09,553 --> 00:48:11,856
Make it look like my nose
has just been ripped off
640
00:48:12,022 --> 00:48:13,290
and a huge hunk of flesh here
641
00:48:13,491 --> 00:48:16,327
and I want blood everywhere
coming down."
642
00:48:16,527 --> 00:48:17,928
Phil's going, "No, no, no."
643
00:48:19,530 --> 00:48:20,664
This has gotta be cool.
644
00:48:20,831 --> 00:48:23,067
We don't wanna look like
we got our arses kicked.
645
00:48:24,535 --> 00:48:26,904
We've gotta make sure
it looks like we won the fight.
646
00:48:27,905 --> 00:48:31,208
We win! We're the winners, man.
We kicked their arse.
647
00:49:19,056 --> 00:49:20,791
The problem about
going on about Philo
648
00:49:20,925 --> 00:49:23,294
is that sometimes you miss
just how good he was.
649
00:49:23,894 --> 00:49:25,329
How good a bass player he was.
650
00:49:25,629 --> 00:49:26,964
How good with words he was.
651
00:49:27,898 --> 00:49:30,267
And how good a singer he was,
you know.
652
00:49:30,734 --> 00:49:33,971
I mean,
he delivered those songs with...
653
00:49:37,208 --> 00:49:38,709
in a way that you believed him.
654
00:49:42,847 --> 00:49:45,216
Two, three, four!
655
00:50:00,965 --> 00:50:03,801
At this point, we had our own little
flat and it was lovely.
656
00:50:04,201 --> 00:50:06,470
That was probably
the happiest time.
657
00:50:06,604 --> 00:50:08,606
The honeymoon love story bit,
you know.
658
00:50:08,772 --> 00:50:12,610
And then from there, it was probably
a car crash waiting to happen.
659
00:51:07,164 --> 00:51:08,732
Towards the end, I realised
660
00:51:08,899 --> 00:51:11,068
that this is just
the most ludicrous situation.
661
00:51:13,404 --> 00:51:14,538
I was very naive.
662
00:51:15,205 --> 00:51:18,642
But I had this notion that all he
needed was somebody to be true.
663
00:51:19,543 --> 00:51:21,545
To prove that
you could trust people.
664
00:51:22,813 --> 00:51:24,381
Take me out and shoot me,
honestly.
665
00:51:28,752 --> 00:51:30,888
The periods of being away
got longer and longer
666
00:51:31,221 --> 00:51:33,290
and then I get the phone calls.
667
00:51:34,258 --> 00:51:35,893
And his jealousy started.
668
00:51:37,461 --> 00:51:39,730
He was feeling bad
about his behaviour
669
00:51:39,964 --> 00:51:42,366
and he had to dump it
on somebody else.
670
00:51:46,704 --> 00:51:48,272
It was attack
as a form of defence.
671
00:51:54,511 --> 00:51:55,446
Brian.
672
00:51:58,215 --> 00:52:01,619
I had never once betrayed
him in any shape or fashion
673
00:52:01,819 --> 00:52:03,053
in six years.
674
00:52:05,422 --> 00:52:07,925
I did love him and I believe
he did love me.
675
00:52:09,226 --> 00:52:11,495
I always believe that
it was his insecurities.
676
00:52:11,762 --> 00:52:15,132
He was continually waiting for
life to be torn apart
677
00:52:15,299 --> 00:52:16,900
or to be betrayed.
678
00:53:17,227 --> 00:53:19,863
It is the
ultimate form of connection.
679
00:53:21,298 --> 00:53:24,334
He's speaking like he knows this,
this isn't just a story.
680
00:53:26,136 --> 00:53:29,673
He'd bring you to a place and you
would stop judgement right then.
681
00:53:32,109 --> 00:53:36,447
The part that I identified
with Phil was his darkness.
682
00:53:39,083 --> 00:53:41,785
You find a place
to get what you need out.
683
00:53:43,620 --> 00:53:46,990
I always like the anti-hero, I always
thought that was very important.
684
00:53:47,124 --> 00:53:49,693
The clean-cut
always gave me a chill.
685
00:53:50,060 --> 00:53:53,130
I much prefer my heroes
fo be a little human.
686
00:53:58,368 --> 00:54:02,072
Jailbreak! Jailbreak! Jailbreak!
687
00:54:02,973 --> 00:54:05,609
The "Nightlife" album
didn't sell anything!
688
00:54:06,043 --> 00:54:08,145
The "Fighting" album
didn't sell anything!
689
00:54:09,646 --> 00:54:11,849
It has to hit on the third album
690
00:54:12,015 --> 00:54:14,818
or you're warming up the car
and you're leaving the building.
691
00:54:16,220 --> 00:54:17,221
"What?"
692
00:54:17,721 --> 00:54:18,822
So, the pressure's on.
693
00:54:19,723 --> 00:54:21,825
And we gave it
one hell of a shot
694
00:54:21,992 --> 00:54:23,427
on the writing side of it.
695
00:54:25,696 --> 00:54:28,065
Backstage, Louisville, Kentucky.
696
00:54:28,565 --> 00:54:31,101
Chris O'Donnell, our manager,
walks in and says, "Well, boys,
697
00:54:31,935 --> 00:54:34,071
looks like we got a hit record
on our hands."
698
00:54:34,204 --> 00:54:35,906
We all went, "What song?"
699
00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:37,908
He goes, "It's "The Boys
are Back in Town'."
700
00:54:38,041 --> 00:54:39,409
We're like, "Really?"
701
00:54:42,246 --> 00:54:44,081
Even after we finished the song,
702
00:54:44,248 --> 00:54:47,284
we still didn't think of this
as single material.
703
00:54:47,885 --> 00:54:48,986
Of course, I do now.
704
00:54:49,286 --> 00:54:50,988
It's the most
fabulous song ever.
705
00:55:24,888 --> 00:55:26,690
That was like
a bolt of lightning.
706
00:55:26,924 --> 00:55:28,025
What is that?
707
00:55:28,992 --> 00:55:31,261
It's like the ultimate
lads anthem.
708
00:55:32,529 --> 00:55:33,697
It is timeless.
709
00:55:33,931 --> 00:55:36,667
Every generation
relates to that song.
710
00:55:37,267 --> 00:55:39,269
One of the great
rock songs of all time.
711
00:56:04,261 --> 00:56:05,262
It was cinematic.
712
00:56:05,662 --> 00:56:06,697
And that was Philip.
713
00:56:06,864 --> 00:56:08,131
He saw things as a movie,
714
00:56:08,298 --> 00:56:11,969
complete with settings and
lights, wardrobe and everything.
715
00:56:12,769 --> 00:56:14,137
He could paint that picture.
716
00:56:19,509 --> 00:56:23,647
And finally, we had a
bona fide hit record in America,
717
00:56:23,881 --> 00:56:26,216
which made life so much easier.
718
00:56:31,121 --> 00:56:33,323
I really doubt
if Phil just went...
719
00:56:34,024 --> 00:56:36,059
"I'm gonna write "The Boys are
Back in Town' today.
720
00:56:36,226 --> 00:56:38,228
It's gonna be a belter,
it's gonna make us massive."
721
00:56:38,362 --> 00:56:39,496
He didn't do that.
722
00:56:39,963 --> 00:56:41,732
I wrote by hook or by crook,
723
00:56:41,899 --> 00:56:44,001
like, there can come
many a good song
724
00:56:44,167 --> 00:56:47,504
in the toilet in the bath,
or, you know.
725
00:56:47,738 --> 00:56:50,173
At one stage, it was called
"GI Joe is Back”
726
00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:53,110
[t took me ages just to think of
the boys' though.
727
00:56:53,243 --> 00:56:55,045
I was thinking the kids
the lads'
728
00:56:55,312 --> 00:56:58,682
Somebody said ‘the boys' and I went,
"That's it, 'The boys are back"."
729
00:56:58,849 --> 00:57:01,018
You just change a word.
It made the song.
730
00:57:07,791 --> 00:57:09,960
All these other bands,
you know, big bands,
731
00:57:10,127 --> 00:57:13,463
they wanted us on their tour
'cause now we could sell tickets.
732
00:57:14,031 --> 00:57:16,366
That's what a big hit record
will do for you.
733
00:57:16,767 --> 00:57:19,069
You can actually feel
and see the climb.
734
00:57:19,803 --> 00:57:22,072
It just takes one,
and you're off and running.
735
00:57:22,205 --> 00:57:23,340
You're out of the blocks.
736
00:57:24,741 --> 00:57:28,612
Philip was definitely tailoring the
band towards an American audience.
737
00:57:29,212 --> 00:57:31,615
It's all Americanisms
in the songs.
738
00:57:32,783 --> 00:57:35,585
Phil grew up
on American television.
739
00:57:35,953 --> 00:57:37,788
It always looked really sunny
all the time
740
00:57:37,921 --> 00:57:40,857
and palm trees and girls
walking around in bikinis
741
00:57:41,024 --> 00:57:42,693
and all the flash cars.
742
00:57:43,060 --> 00:57:44,528
It looks like paradise.
743
00:57:45,095 --> 00:57:47,097
And Phil was a romantic anyway.
744
00:58:09,486 --> 00:58:11,088
I think America was everything
745
00:58:11,254 --> 00:58:12,789
he was expecting it to be.
746
00:58:12,923 --> 00:58:16,093
He fell in love with
the whole idea of America.
747
00:58:16,626 --> 00:58:19,062
He could not get enough
of touring in America.
748
00:58:19,329 --> 00:58:22,699
"I want to experience this, I want
to taste it, I want to feel it."
749
00:58:23,066 --> 00:58:24,101
And, boy, did he!
750
00:59:10,580 --> 00:59:12,816
This was our time
to break America.
751
00:59:13,650 --> 00:59:15,218
What could go wrong, right?
752
00:59:17,054 --> 00:59:20,123
He had real bad luck here in America
‘cause he got hepatitis.
753
00:59:20,457 --> 00:59:23,860
And they had to cancel that first
tour, The Boys are Back in Town Tour.
754
00:59:27,564 --> 00:59:31,401
That was it, the tour was over with.
Just in a blink of an eye.
755
00:59:39,342 --> 00:59:42,045
In August, he was in the studio
recording a new album.
756
00:59:42,379 --> 00:59:44,381
And, if you take into account
"Jailbreak",
757
00:59:44,581 --> 00:59:46,883
then "Johnny the Fox"
and "Bad Reputation”,
758
00:59:47,451 --> 00:59:48,852
you've three albums out
759
00:59:49,052 --> 00:59:51,621
within a period, roughly,
of fourteen months.
760
00:59:58,228 --> 01:00:01,531
The confidence that would've given
Phil would've been immense.
761
01:00:27,657 --> 01:00:31,761
They now knew
they were really good.
762
01:00:32,496 --> 01:00:34,898
And every time
they stepped up on stage,
763
01:00:35,065 --> 01:00:38,568
they were confident that the audience
was theirs for the taking.
764
01:00:40,537 --> 01:00:42,272
I could see these flashy lights.
765
01:00:42,606 --> 01:00:45,175
And a big orange light going...
766
01:00:45,342 --> 01:00:46,376
And then there was...
767
01:00:49,246 --> 01:00:52,349
And then the big spotlight,
and he came out,
768
01:00:52,616 --> 01:00:55,418
"Tonight there's going
to be a jailbreak".
769
01:00:55,585 --> 01:00:59,256
And, oh, Jesus, the hair
on my neck stood up!
770
01:00:59,623 --> 01:01:00,457
Gol
771
01:01:03,226 --> 01:01:04,528
Are you out there?
772
01:01:07,464 --> 01:01:09,699
What always struck me
about "Jailbreak" was,
773
01:01:10,066 --> 01:01:13,270
"Tonight there's gonna be
a jailbreak somewhere in the town".
774
01:01:14,271 --> 01:01:15,872
Like the jail, perhaps?
775
01:01:17,007 --> 01:01:18,041
I mean, that's...
776
01:01:19,176 --> 01:01:21,111
And, for years,
I never noticed that.
777
01:01:21,945 --> 01:01:23,046
It didn't matter.
778
01:01:23,647 --> 01:01:26,449
That's a high energy song just for
a certain point in the gig.
779
01:01:26,616 --> 01:01:27,984
It's gonna lift everything up.
780
01:01:44,701 --> 01:01:46,069
I gotta tell you one story:
781
01:01:46,203 --> 01:01:48,705
we were playing the Santa Monica
Civic in Los Angeles
782
01:01:48,872 --> 01:01:50,941
and walked out,
hit the first chord.
783
01:01:52,142 --> 01:01:55,212
The audience up and
there's like a sea of hands
784
01:01:55,445 --> 01:01:57,814
and I'm shaking a few hands
and I look down.
785
01:01:57,981 --> 01:01:59,816
And who do I see? My mum.
786
01:02:01,251 --> 01:02:03,053
I'm going, "Mum,
what are you doing?"
787
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,296
Philip was always
the consummate performer.
788
01:02:46,496 --> 01:02:48,331
He was brilliant to watch.
789
01:02:49,032 --> 01:02:51,801
Scott and Brian could've been
running up and down the stage,
790
01:02:51,968 --> 01:02:54,804
jumping on monitors
and doing pointing,
791
01:02:54,971 --> 01:02:56,506
doing all of this stuff,
792
01:02:57,340 --> 01:03:00,577
but Philip was the one
who grabbed your attention
793
01:03:00,810 --> 01:03:02,979
‘cause he demanded
your attention.
794
01:03:05,682 --> 01:03:08,785
Everything moved on its axis a little
bit when you discovered Philip.
795
01:03:09,352 --> 01:03:10,920
It was life-changing
in a good way.
796
01:03:13,523 --> 01:03:16,726
I'd gone in there in a brown cardigan
and I'd come out in a leather jacket.
797
01:03:18,228 --> 01:03:20,897
How could this guy be Irish?
How could he be from Crumlin?
798
01:03:21,498 --> 01:03:23,233
There are new possibilities
here now.
799
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,468
Things aren't as dull
as they seem.
800
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,442
That was their prime,
they rocked so hard.
801
01:03:32,942 --> 01:03:35,412
Thin Lizzy in their prime were
probably the best hard rock band
802
01:03:35,578 --> 01:03:37,347
I've ever seen in my life,
bar none.
803
01:03:48,658 --> 01:03:49,492
Thank you!
804
01:03:50,226 --> 01:03:53,563
It seemed that
everything we put out was a hit.
805
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:58,935
Phil just could...
There's another hit.
806
01:03:59,102 --> 01:04:00,670
There's another hit. Bastard.
807
01:04:04,441 --> 01:04:05,442
Sorry.
808
01:04:52,021 --> 01:04:53,923
I got a phone call from Philip.
809
01:04:54,124 --> 01:04:56,693
He goes, "I'm in a recording
studio in London.
810
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:58,094
I'm really busy.
811
01:04:58,294 --> 01:05:00,897
If ever I needed your help,
I need it now."
812
01:05:01,564 --> 01:05:04,501
And I said, "Well, fine, yeah,
what's up?"
813
01:05:04,968 --> 01:05:08,104
And he said, "l have a new
girlfriend called Caroline.
814
01:05:08,271 --> 01:05:11,174
And things are really
taking off over here.
815
01:05:11,441 --> 01:05:13,710
I can't think of anyone else
who I'd ask, only you."
816
01:05:15,812 --> 01:05:19,048
So, I was more or less
on the next plane, as they say.
817
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,128
I was eighteen.
818
01:05:34,164 --> 01:05:37,967
I met Philip because I was
working for Tony Brainsby PR
819
01:05:38,201 --> 01:05:40,770
and Thin Lizzy were a part
of the roster of clients.
820
01:05:42,872 --> 01:05:46,309
The first encounter I had
with him was over the phone.
821
01:05:46,810 --> 01:05:50,146
And he had
an absolutely beautiful,
822
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,081
deep, soft-spoken voice.
823
01:05:53,283 --> 01:05:56,719
He always sounded like he was in
bed when he was talking to you,
824
01:05:56,886 --> 01:05:59,055
which I later discovered
he generally was.
825
01:06:00,924 --> 01:06:02,592
He had a great sense of humour.
826
01:06:03,092 --> 01:06:06,763
He liked to tease you
with a mixture of innuendo
827
01:06:06,930 --> 01:06:08,364
and misunderstanding.
828
01:06:08,631 --> 01:06:12,569
And then,
when you were all confused,
829
01:06:12,735 --> 01:06:14,737
he would laugh,
830
01:06:14,904 --> 01:06:18,341
and it was just delightful.
831
01:06:19,909 --> 01:06:22,045
So, I was already
partly in love with him
832
01:06:22,212 --> 01:06:23,546
before I even met him.
833
01:06:27,584 --> 01:06:30,286
I went to see them perform
at Hammersmith Odeon
834
01:06:30,820 --> 01:06:36,826
and, wow, oh my God,
he was just mind-blowing.
835
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,661
I was just... Yeah.
836
01:06:39,529 --> 01:06:40,630
Hooked.
837
01:06:42,632 --> 01:06:46,503
I was quite wild
and we just became a pair.
838
01:06:46,669 --> 01:06:48,505
There were no conversations
about it,
839
01:06:48,671 --> 01:06:51,341
I just kind of
got absorbed into his life.
840
01:06:52,709 --> 01:06:54,577
The life of a working musician.
841
01:07:03,786 --> 01:07:06,089
Once you plug into an amplifier,
842
01:07:06,456 --> 01:07:08,391
it definitely gives you power.
843
01:07:08,691 --> 01:07:11,928
There's no point in having a fast car
and not driving it fast,
844
01:07:12,095 --> 01:07:15,732
and there's no point in having a loud
amplifier and not turning it up.
845
01:07:54,070 --> 01:07:55,905
All of a sudden,
"Live and Dangerous",
846
01:07:56,072 --> 01:07:58,241
one of the great live albums
of all time,
847
01:07:58,775 --> 01:08:00,310
they were on fire.
848
01:08:05,548 --> 01:08:08,284
The world-renowned
Tony Visconti, record producer,
849
01:08:08,484 --> 01:08:10,386
made the record sound like
you were sitting
850
01:08:10,587 --> 01:08:12,055
in the best seat in the house.
851
01:08:12,221 --> 01:08:15,625
One of the things we did
was enhance the audience.
852
01:08:16,326 --> 01:08:19,562
And we'd made basically a huge
tape loop of audience.
853
01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:22,732
But it was several audiences
layered on top of each other.
854
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:26,970
And this tape literally going
around mic stands
855
01:08:27,136 --> 01:08:28,504
right the way round the room.
856
01:08:30,540 --> 01:08:32,809
We took the Lizzy audiences,
and,
857
01:08:34,377 --> 01:08:37,213
to be honest, some of David Bowie's
"Philadelphia" audience,
858
01:08:37,413 --> 01:08:40,383
and put it all together to make
the biggest audience in the world.
859
01:08:41,050 --> 01:08:42,785
And when you wanted
some audience,
860
01:08:42,952 --> 01:08:47,457
you could at any time just push these
two faders up and it's like: Whoa!
861
01:08:49,025 --> 01:08:50,693
And that sounds
like an audience.
862
01:08:56,332 --> 01:08:58,067
He was actually a shy man.
863
01:08:58,334 --> 01:09:00,303
But when he was performing,
864
01:09:00,870 --> 01:09:02,505
all of that shyness was gone.
865
01:09:03,940 --> 01:09:06,209
He really did walk down the road
with swagger.
866
01:09:12,015 --> 01:09:15,251
A lot of my job
was getting them out of trouble
867
01:09:15,685 --> 01:09:17,086
and it was also pretty normal
868
01:09:17,253 --> 01:09:20,490
because if you worked
with rock stars in that era,
869
01:09:21,024 --> 01:09:23,459
everybody was out there
drinking, partying,
870
01:09:23,626 --> 01:09:25,828
and Thin Lizzy
had that reputation.
871
01:09:26,462 --> 01:09:28,898
Guys in a posse together,
getting up to no good,
872
01:09:29,065 --> 01:09:30,299
and celebrating it.
873
01:09:30,566 --> 01:09:32,168
And that's what
Philip and the guys,
874
01:09:32,368 --> 01:09:35,705
particularly Philip,
thought his job was.
875
01:09:38,908 --> 01:09:43,279
He was a man of many facets
and many moods.
876
01:09:44,247 --> 01:09:45,982
There was the friend,
877
01:09:46,649 --> 01:09:47,817
the businessman,
878
01:09:48,451 --> 01:09:49,652
the performer,
879
01:09:50,186 --> 01:09:54,724
that muscle was
always operating.
880
01:09:57,326 --> 01:09:59,629
He kept people on
their toes as well as himself.
881
01:10:00,830 --> 01:10:02,732
Prolific and creative,
882
01:10:02,899 --> 01:10:05,802
and that was brilliant
when it was all working.
883
01:10:06,135 --> 01:10:08,071
Yeah, just take it
from the bridge, man.
884
01:10:08,871 --> 01:10:11,808
Everything from top
to bottom was scrutinised.
885
01:10:12,575 --> 01:10:15,144
It wasn't just Phil
the rock star, "Yeah, party!"
886
01:10:16,012 --> 01:10:17,780
People had
that impression of him.
887
01:10:18,748 --> 01:10:21,184
But no, he was
a very hard grafter.
888
01:10:26,522 --> 01:10:28,524
The most amazing thing
about Phil Lynott is
889
01:10:28,691 --> 01:10:29,959
I've never met anyone
890
01:10:30,326 --> 01:10:31,761
who could party that hard,
891
01:10:32,061 --> 01:10:34,564
and at the same time
never ever gave an inch
892
01:10:34,731 --> 01:10:35,932
as far as quality and work.
893
01:10:36,766 --> 01:10:38,935
You weren't around him
if you weren't working.
894
01:10:40,903 --> 01:10:42,071
He was very canny.
895
01:10:42,538 --> 01:10:44,006
And he had
a business head on him.
896
01:10:44,540 --> 01:10:46,576
He was clever,
he could suss things out,
897
01:10:46,743 --> 01:10:49,712
he would keep quiet on stuff
but it would be read and noted.
898
01:10:51,614 --> 01:10:52,982
He knew what he wanted.
899
01:10:53,649 --> 01:10:55,852
Philip controlled
every aspect of Lizzy,
900
01:10:56,018 --> 01:10:57,854
from the music to their look,
901
01:10:58,020 --> 01:11:00,590
to the way they were perceived
as a band.
902
01:11:02,492 --> 01:11:03,760
It's a dumb phrase
903
01:11:03,926 --> 01:11:06,229
but I guess he was
the emotional cheerleader.
904
01:11:10,333 --> 01:11:13,002
And then all
the guitarist changing went on.
905
01:11:13,503 --> 01:11:16,105
It was like one big
long soap opera
906
01:11:16,472 --> 01:11:18,741
with guys falling in and out
and Gary Moore coming in
907
01:11:18,908 --> 01:11:20,343
to replace Brian Robertson.
908
01:11:20,743 --> 01:11:24,080
Gary was in, Gary was out.
Gary was in, Gary was out.
909
01:11:24,947 --> 01:11:27,750
But, for the most part,
we were living the life.
910
01:11:28,251 --> 01:11:30,720
One of the big guns,
no doubt about that.
911
01:11:32,522 --> 01:11:34,190
We were on top of the world.
912
01:11:35,491 --> 01:11:36,659
There's nothing like it.
913
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,896
Every album we brought out
was instantly gold
914
01:11:40,062 --> 01:11:41,430
and then it would go platinum.
915
01:11:42,465 --> 01:11:43,699
Life was good.
916
01:11:43,933 --> 01:11:45,668
How could you not have fun
with that, right?
917
01:12:03,019 --> 01:12:03,853
Thank you!
918
01:12:06,389 --> 01:12:08,925
If I don't get back fo
Dublin within three months,
919
01:12:09,258 --> 01:12:11,160
I really suffer
from homesickness.
920
01:12:13,296 --> 01:12:15,298
Ireland was
very significant to him.
921
01:12:15,731 --> 01:12:19,302
He was a proud Irishman,
he was a proud Dubliner,
922
01:12:19,702 --> 01:12:23,239
and that really comes through, that
came through in every show he did,
923
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,342
it came through
in all of his works.
924
01:12:45,761 --> 01:12:48,664
Phil was an Irishman. Period.
925
01:12:49,732 --> 01:12:52,602
Phil's almost more Irish than
any other Irishman I ever met.
926
01:12:54,570 --> 01:12:56,138
We would go
into a radio station,
927
01:12:56,305 --> 01:12:58,007
we're publicising
this new album
928
01:12:58,174 --> 01:13:00,009
and some disc jockey
929
01:13:00,209 --> 01:13:05,982
inevitably would say something
very dumb about Ireland
930
01:13:06,148 --> 01:13:08,584
or he was just naive, ignorant,
right?
931
01:13:08,818 --> 01:13:12,622
He would say something and Phil would
go, "Whoa! Hold on a second here."
932
01:13:12,788 --> 01:13:16,893
From that point on, the whole
interview turned into an Irish lesson
933
01:13:17,059 --> 01:13:18,561
for this guy on air.
934
01:13:19,829 --> 01:13:21,564
Coming from
England. The Stones...
935
01:13:21,731 --> 01:13:23,866
-Ireland. Ireland.
-Or Ireland.
936
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:25,067
Irish.
937
01:13:25,868 --> 01:13:28,070
Ah, yes, you sound like
a British person.
938
01:13:28,204 --> 01:13:30,206
No, I'm just teasing.
939
01:13:30,373 --> 01:13:32,642
Irish. I'm Irish,
you've got to get that right.
940
01:13:32,808 --> 01:13:34,176
Well, Great Britain, British.
941
01:13:34,343 --> 01:13:36,946
No. Irish, Republic of Ireland.
942
01:13:37,079 --> 01:13:39,248
- My goodness.
- There you go.
943
01:13:39,582 --> 01:13:40,783
Very important.
944
01:13:44,620 --> 01:13:45,721
Within a year,
945
01:13:46,289 --> 01:13:47,924
it was all change.
946
01:13:48,691 --> 01:13:50,293
And I was a mum.
947
01:13:55,031 --> 01:13:56,933
He wanted his children
born in Ireland.
948
01:13:57,300 --> 01:13:58,601
That's how Irish he was.
949
01:14:00,069 --> 01:14:01,404
Caroline had to come home
950
01:14:01,570 --> 01:14:03,306
and have the children
in Holles Street.
951
01:14:08,945 --> 01:14:12,248
He'd decided that Sarah was going
to be born in Dublin
952
01:14:12,682 --> 01:14:13,849
without telling me.
953
01:14:17,853 --> 01:14:19,655
Seemed like
rather a nice adventure.
954
01:14:28,898 --> 01:14:31,167
When Philip and
Caroline got married
955
01:14:31,334 --> 01:14:32,768
and the kids came along,
956
01:14:33,002 --> 01:14:34,370
there were lovely times.
957
01:14:35,905 --> 01:14:37,173
There were happy times.
958
01:14:46,882 --> 01:14:50,019
I remember being so nervous
959
01:14:50,219 --> 01:14:52,088
the priest literally shook me
960
01:14:52,254 --> 01:14:54,290
and said, "Pull yourself
together, woman!"
961
01:14:57,159 --> 01:15:01,130
Philip laughed quite a lot of
the way through the ceremony,
962
01:15:01,297 --> 01:15:02,665
which I hope was joy.
963
01:15:03,299 --> 01:15:05,301
There is a photograph that
you see of me, like,
964
01:15:05,501 --> 01:15:07,403
giving him the evil eye.
965
01:15:09,605 --> 01:15:12,375
He was literally like the shoulders
were starting to heave.
966
01:15:12,575 --> 01:15:14,110
I was like, "Behave yourself!"
967
01:15:18,147 --> 01:15:19,849
I carried Sarah
during the ceremony.
968
01:15:20,016 --> 01:15:21,283
She was a sweetheart.
969
01:15:22,251 --> 01:15:23,419
Very well behaved.
970
01:15:25,654 --> 01:15:29,458
It was very good fun,
and the beginning of a new era.
971
01:15:31,927 --> 01:15:36,298
I just remember this room
full of family and friends
972
01:15:36,499 --> 01:15:38,768
and he looked
incredibly handsome.
973
01:15:39,268 --> 01:15:40,503
And I was very happy.
974
01:15:55,284 --> 01:15:57,019
It was absolute heaven.
975
01:15:58,654 --> 01:16:00,222
Heaven to raise children.
976
01:16:02,825 --> 01:16:04,026
It was just blissful.
977
01:16:06,862 --> 01:16:12,101
He was not a hands-on,
nappy-changing sort of father.
978
01:16:12,868 --> 01:16:15,271
But he doted on his girls.
979
01:16:19,942 --> 01:16:22,311
The memories
aren't necessarily tangible.
980
01:16:22,545 --> 01:16:26,048
The feeling is very much
still the same
981
01:16:26,215 --> 01:16:29,351
of him being part of our lives.
982
01:16:31,220 --> 01:16:33,622
The best, because you could just
go out the back gate
983
01:16:33,789 --> 01:16:35,825
and you're on the beach
and you just were lost.
984
01:16:35,991 --> 01:16:38,227
And we'd be there for days.
985
01:16:39,328 --> 01:16:41,630
It's hard to describe,
it felt happy.
986
01:16:42,364 --> 01:16:45,868
It's this blur
of a warm childhood.
987
01:16:51,907 --> 01:16:53,776
He loved
to play games with the girls.
988
01:16:53,976 --> 01:16:55,711
And he'd just get lost
in the moment.
989
01:16:55,845 --> 01:16:57,146
It was brilliant.
990
01:16:58,948 --> 01:17:00,816
He had a very naughty
sense of humour.
991
01:17:02,051 --> 01:17:04,587
That naughty little boy
was definitely in there.
992
01:17:08,257 --> 01:17:10,860
Philip was somebody
who was very enchanted
993
01:17:11,026 --> 01:17:12,862
with the magical side of life.
994
01:17:15,498 --> 01:17:18,734
Becoming a father
has brought out emotions in me
995
01:17:18,901 --> 01:17:20,970
that I honestly
aian't think I had.
996
01:17:21,303 --> 01:17:23,939
[t's amazing when you do get
married and have children,
997
01:17:24,106 --> 01:17:26,175
how much passion
it can bring out.
998
01:17:28,444 --> 01:17:30,446
What do poets write about?
They write about love and death
999
01:17:30,613 --> 01:17:31,947
and everything in between.
1000
01:17:32,615 --> 01:17:34,450
And there was lots of love
in his life.
1001
01:17:35,985 --> 01:17:38,854
I don't remember
a lot of Philip sitting with me
1002
01:17:39,021 --> 01:17:42,057
and talking about the music
that he was creating.
1003
01:17:42,391 --> 01:17:47,897
But I do remember that he
brought the song "Sarah" to me
1004
01:17:48,063 --> 01:17:52,935
and it really was the first time
that he almost wanted approval.
1005
01:17:53,869 --> 01:17:56,272
It was like, um...
1006
01:18:01,043 --> 01:18:02,044
a present.
1007
01:18:04,647 --> 01:18:05,981
A thank you present.
1008
01:18:56,765 --> 01:18:59,201
It's an amazing thing to have
a song written about you.
1009
01:19:01,604 --> 01:19:02,738
To not have him around
1010
01:19:02,905 --> 01:19:05,307
to say the things that
you want him to say to you,
1011
01:19:06,108 --> 01:19:09,245
to have that reassurance,
that love, that support there.
1012
01:19:11,146 --> 01:19:12,681
He wrote everything
in that song.
1013
01:19:12,848 --> 01:19:19,088
If I ever need to feel his love,
it's in that song.
1014
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:24,059
Obviously, there's many a time
that I've listened to it
1015
01:19:24,226 --> 01:19:25,628
and it's broken me,
1016
01:19:25,761 --> 01:19:27,663
but there's many a time
that I listen to it
1017
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:33,569
and it just fills you
with absolute love, basically.
1018
01:19:36,705 --> 01:19:38,741
We had a hit at the
same time, on Top of the Pops.
1019
01:19:38,907 --> 01:19:42,244
And I noticed that Phil
was a little bit uncomfortable
1020
01:19:42,444 --> 01:19:44,647
singing this song
about his daughter.
1021
01:19:44,947 --> 01:19:46,615
He was a little bit exposed.
1022
01:19:47,182 --> 01:19:50,052
And I was watching him sing it,
he must've seen me watching,
1023
01:19:50,219 --> 01:19:52,721
and he went like this, right in
the middle of one of the lyrics.
1024
01:19:52,888 --> 01:19:55,424
And I went, "Oh, that's..."
"I'm still Phil."
1025
01:19:56,292 --> 01:19:57,326
Don't look too deep.
1026
01:19:58,661 --> 01:19:59,695
Sweet.
1027
01:20:14,610 --> 01:20:16,345
He wrote the song "Cathleen"
because I said,
1028
01:20:16,545 --> 01:20:18,047
"You're not gonna write a song
for Sarah
1029
01:20:18,213 --> 01:20:19,682
and not write a song
for Cathleen.
1030
01:20:19,848 --> 01:20:21,684
You're just not.
That's not gonna happen."
1031
01:20:21,850 --> 01:20:24,453
Hold on, I thought he wrote
that song because he loved me.
1032
01:20:24,653 --> 01:20:25,721
Thanks, Mum.
1033
01:20:57,419 --> 01:20:59,321
It feels very much
about our family life,
1034
01:20:59,521 --> 01:21:01,190
not just about me, which is,
1035
01:21:01,323 --> 01:21:03,859
for somebody who doesn't have
loads of memories
1036
01:21:04,026 --> 01:21:05,527
and was very young,
1037
01:21:06,128 --> 01:21:09,498
I feel it kind of provides me
with a little snippet
1038
01:21:09,665 --> 01:21:14,303
of our family's life together
that's just for me.
1039
01:21:19,007 --> 01:21:22,177
You remember something and it's like
a tiny little moment.
1040
01:21:22,711 --> 01:21:26,248
If I try and think about it too much,
it tends to fade out.
1041
01:21:30,853 --> 01:21:34,223
He always had
the blue fade down on the car.
1042
01:21:35,657 --> 01:21:37,960
We could've been anywhere,
we could've been in town,
1043
01:21:38,127 --> 01:21:39,328
we could've been in London.
1044
01:21:39,528 --> 01:21:43,599
It was more just I know
that I felt small in the seat.
1045
01:21:44,299 --> 01:21:46,001
And him just looking round.
1046
01:21:49,338 --> 01:21:51,306
Just that 'now are you doing
back there?"
1047
01:21:52,541 --> 01:21:54,309
And just going, "Yeah."
1048
01:22:03,819 --> 01:22:06,088
I wish I could
remember more than that.
1049
01:22:06,688 --> 01:22:09,825
It's a snapshot almost,
with a feeling.
1050
01:22:12,928 --> 01:22:14,096
It's just a glimmer.
1051
01:22:22,337 --> 01:22:24,940
They were finally primed
to crack America.
1052
01:22:25,441 --> 01:22:28,710
But he had terrible problems
on American tours.
1053
01:22:29,545 --> 01:22:31,747
Something always seemed
to get in his way.
1054
01:22:32,748 --> 01:22:34,883
Three times, and fell down.
1055
01:23:21,697 --> 01:23:23,799
The impact
of Gary Moore leaving
1056
01:23:23,966 --> 01:23:27,202
was so far-reaching it's mind-blowing
because they were on tour
1057
01:23:27,402 --> 01:23:29,705
and the people that were
promoting the gigs, man,
1058
01:23:30,005 --> 01:23:31,507
you do that, that's the end.
1059
01:23:32,007 --> 01:23:34,243
That was the end of Lizzy
in the States.
1060
01:23:34,843 --> 01:23:37,646
It was another blow
to his American dreams.
1061
01:23:38,380 --> 01:23:40,482
They never really got it
right in America.
1062
01:23:40,782 --> 01:23:43,619
He never enjoyed the popular
success he should have.
1063
01:23:47,256 --> 01:23:48,690
Luck is a big thing
1064
01:23:48,857 --> 01:23:51,059
and that hasn't been
on our side in America.
1065
01:23:51,293 --> 01:23:53,629
But in so far as Thin Lizzy's career
Is concerned,
1066
01:23:53,762 --> 01:23:56,532
we've been a very successful
and a very lucky band.
1067
01:23:59,201 --> 01:24:01,537
When Gary quit
mid-tour of America,
1068
01:24:02,070 --> 01:24:04,239
Philip didn't go,
"Ah, here, I'm giving up."
1069
01:24:04,506 --> 01:24:07,175
He was a great spirit
in that way, he never gave up.
1070
01:24:09,545 --> 01:24:12,047
We had some great players
over on the right-hand side.
1071
01:24:12,648 --> 01:24:17,319
Brian Robertson, Gary Moore,
Snowy White, John Sykes,
1072
01:24:17,986 --> 01:24:19,221
and then there's Midge.
1073
01:24:20,689 --> 01:24:22,624
It's a very odd chapter.
1074
01:24:23,458 --> 01:24:26,762
Why he asked me to be
in the band, I will never know.
1075
01:24:26,929 --> 01:24:29,998
I'm not a killer whiz guitar player.
1076
01:24:30,365 --> 01:24:32,467
Which is what Lizzy
were always known for.
1077
01:24:33,535 --> 01:24:36,338
I get the phone call from Philip
who's in Arkansas,
1078
01:24:36,705 --> 01:24:38,807
who said, "We're on tour,
Gary's out.
1079
01:24:38,974 --> 01:24:41,209
The band didn't turn up
for a few of the shows.
1080
01:24:41,543 --> 01:24:43,111
Can you come out tomorrow?"
1081
01:24:44,046 --> 01:24:46,481
I had just enough time
to pack my bag,
1082
01:24:46,782 --> 01:24:48,750
and I thought I'd learn the set
on the plane.
1083
01:24:48,884 --> 01:24:50,285
And they flew me out
on Concorde.
1084
01:24:58,527 --> 01:25:01,330
I'd never been to America,
but I knew what America looked like
1085
01:25:01,763 --> 01:25:03,298
'cause I'd watched
Starsky and Hutch.
1086
01:25:07,502 --> 01:25:09,304
I got dressed to go on stage.
1087
01:25:09,738 --> 01:25:11,773
Big shoulder pads,
very '80s,
1088
01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:14,009
smart, you know,
neckerchief.
1089
01:25:15,944 --> 01:25:19,081
And Scott said, "Oh, God."
1090
01:25:19,247 --> 01:25:21,216
That guy's got some brass balls, man.
1091
01:25:21,950 --> 01:25:23,652
All of a sudden, I'm on stage
1092
01:25:23,852 --> 01:25:26,388
with Phil Lynott leaning over
and going,
1093
01:25:26,788 --> 01:25:29,791
"Hey, here we go." You think...
1094
01:25:57,986 --> 01:25:59,087
It was glamourous,
1095
01:25:59,254 --> 01:26:02,190
it was everything you'd expect
a rock tour to be.
1096
01:26:02,491 --> 01:26:05,927
Girls a go-go, bottles of
champagne in the dressing room.
1097
01:26:06,495 --> 01:26:07,863
It was the package.
1098
01:26:08,296 --> 01:26:11,933
Rolling across America with
your band playing great music.
1099
01:26:12,100 --> 01:26:13,735
And all the trimmings.
1100
01:26:27,549 --> 01:26:29,418
Depression started to hit us.
1101
01:26:29,685 --> 01:26:31,620
Knowing all the work
that we had done
1102
01:26:31,820 --> 01:26:34,856
and how hard we'd actually tried
to really break America
1103
01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:36,925
and we just couldn't do it.
1104
01:26:37,325 --> 01:26:40,829
You can do things
during that age
1105
01:26:40,962 --> 01:26:43,565
that you will never ever be able
to do in your life again.
1106
01:26:43,999 --> 01:26:47,469
And you only know that
when you get to 35.
1107
01:26:47,602 --> 01:26:50,238
You kind of know
you can't get back
1108
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:52,941
and channel
that same energy again.
1109
01:26:54,042 --> 01:26:59,081
So, itis, to an extent,
it is a Faustian pact.
1110
01:26:59,815 --> 01:27:04,319
But the wise man knows
that it's a short contract.
1111
01:27:29,878 --> 01:27:31,580
Phil always liked to experiment
1112
01:27:31,747 --> 01:27:34,382
and saw the potential
of using keyboards
1113
01:27:34,583 --> 01:27:36,218
as a part of the texture
of Thin Lizzy.
1114
01:27:36,618 --> 01:27:38,787
We just hit it off
straight away.
1115
01:27:39,221 --> 01:27:41,423
He asked me
what team I supported,
1116
01:27:41,723 --> 01:27:42,924
I said United.
1117
01:27:43,558 --> 01:27:45,427
Then it just went from there.
1118
01:27:46,461 --> 01:27:48,530
Dream come true,
I was just 18 as well.
1119
01:27:59,641 --> 01:28:02,944
Really, my life
became centred in Dublin,
1120
01:28:03,578 --> 01:28:06,014
whilst Philip was
mostly in London.
1121
01:28:07,549 --> 01:28:08,650
We swapped countries.
1122
01:28:11,987 --> 01:28:15,023
If we were in London, I was living
in the house with Phil,
1123
01:28:15,190 --> 01:28:17,959
and there was a lot
of tomfoolery going on.
1124
01:28:18,693 --> 01:28:20,495
I remember once,
we was all at the house
1125
01:28:20,662 --> 01:28:22,764
and we'd been recording stuff
and hanging out.
1126
01:28:23,064 --> 01:28:26,201
Philip comes down in the morning,
looking for his cheddar.
1127
01:28:26,568 --> 01:28:30,305
The only thing in the fridge
was a big lump of fucking cheddar.
1128
01:28:30,505 --> 01:28:31,706
Somebody had the munchies.
1129
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,509
In the middle of the night
came down, took a chunk out of it.
1130
01:28:34,643 --> 01:28:37,679
And Phil's screaming, "Get down
here, get down here now!"
1131
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:42,083
So, we all trundled downstairs and
Phil's there in his nightgown.
1132
01:28:42,250 --> 01:28:45,120
And he went,
"Who the fuck ate the cheese?"
1133
01:28:47,222 --> 01:28:50,358
And there's this perfect bite mark
out of the cheese.
1134
01:28:50,659 --> 01:28:52,093
And he lined us all up.
1135
01:28:52,494 --> 01:28:55,730
He had the cheese, going,
"I wanna match your teeth marks."
1136
01:28:56,798 --> 01:29:00,902
I'm looking, going, "God, that looks
like the shape of my teeth on that."
1137
01:29:01,303 --> 01:29:02,904
So, we all have to bite the cheese.
1138
01:29:04,206 --> 01:29:05,707
He was taking samples.
1139
01:29:06,007 --> 01:29:08,009
"No, it wasn't him,
it wasn't you.
1140
01:29:08,176 --> 01:29:10,078
Gus, you're looking
a bit suspicious there."
1141
01:29:10,245 --> 01:29:13,748
Anyway, it turns out to be Gus.
Gus was the culprit.
1142
01:29:14,015 --> 01:29:16,384
Uh oh, he said it was Gus.
Maybe it was Gus.
1143
01:29:16,585 --> 01:29:18,253
I blame Darren, now, on that.
1144
01:29:18,453 --> 01:29:20,288
He was living in the house
at the time.
1145
01:29:20,722 --> 01:29:21,923
I'm sure it was Darren.
1146
01:29:22,090 --> 01:29:23,291
Phil just stormed off.
1147
01:29:23,491 --> 01:29:25,627
He didn't speak to us all
for about an hour,
1148
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:27,295
going to the Hammersmith Odeon.
1149
01:29:28,530 --> 01:29:30,332
Someone must've been
very hungry.
1150
01:29:39,708 --> 01:29:41,910
I can prick around
a bit with the solo stuff.
1151
01:29:42,043 --> 01:29:45,547
Like, I could use strings
and I could sing love songs.
1152
01:29:46,014 --> 01:29:48,550
[t's more interesting
as an individual.
1153
01:29:48,884 --> 01:29:50,919
But my first love is the band.
1154
01:30:08,570 --> 01:30:09,905
So, the drugs now.
1155
01:30:11,406 --> 01:30:12,641
I know we're going there.
1156
01:30:16,144 --> 01:30:18,446
They were there.
They were always there.
1157
01:30:18,613 --> 01:30:20,882
But really just
recreational stuff.
1158
01:30:22,217 --> 01:30:25,620
Almost everybody in the industry
was like that.
1159
01:30:26,588 --> 01:30:30,292
The beginning of the problem
with those class A drugs
1160
01:30:30,558 --> 01:30:34,829
started in Paris
with the "Black Rose" album.
1161
01:30:40,268 --> 01:30:42,737
This was where the problems
were beginning to start,
1162
01:30:42,938 --> 01:30:44,940
not that any of us
really knew that.
1163
01:30:46,107 --> 01:30:48,376
When you actually look
at the lyrics of the songs,
1164
01:30:48,643 --> 01:30:51,980
it's quite clear the idea
of hiding in plain sight,
1165
01:30:52,614 --> 01:30:55,150
and he was perhaps
reaching out,
1166
01:30:55,283 --> 01:30:58,019
hoping that some solution
might be found.
1167
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:47,135
All right, come on.
1168
01:32:22,337 --> 01:32:25,507
There's no question
that was a note to self.
1169
01:32:34,883 --> 01:32:37,986
We did seem to be
on the road all the time.
1170
01:32:39,521 --> 01:32:42,991
Tokyo, Australia, America,
all over the world.
1171
01:32:43,558 --> 01:32:47,095
Private plane there, jet there,
just a massive big rollercoaster.
1172
01:32:48,930 --> 01:32:52,267
But that has its down sides
because you can burn people out.
1173
01:32:55,403 --> 01:32:57,906
This is the beginning
of cracks in the relationship
1174
01:32:58,039 --> 01:33:00,809
because we literally just
weren't together so much.
1175
01:33:01,843 --> 01:33:05,447
He was in a studio in London
or on tour
1176
01:33:05,613 --> 01:33:09,651
and actually became
a bit more of a visitor.
1177
01:33:11,486 --> 01:33:12,921
But there were other factors
1178
01:33:13,088 --> 01:33:15,023
that were influencing
his thinking
1179
01:33:15,190 --> 01:33:18,059
and his behaviour and the way
our lives were going.
1180
01:33:18,226 --> 01:33:23,965
We were starting to shift away
from one another.
1181
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:27,502
There was a marked change
1182
01:33:27,669 --> 01:33:29,971
in the guy that had
a trajectory upwards
1183
01:33:30,138 --> 01:33:33,108
and had a vision,
knew where he was going,
1184
01:33:33,241 --> 01:33:34,642
knew what he wanted,
1185
01:33:34,843 --> 01:33:37,679
and the guy
that was falling apart.
1186
01:33:39,147 --> 01:33:41,950
You can hear it in the lyrics and you
could feel it in the music.
1187
01:33:42,217 --> 01:33:44,719
It became more formulaic,
1188
01:33:45,086 --> 01:33:49,124
striving to get that
"The Boys are Back in Town" part two.
1189
01:33:50,825 --> 01:33:52,660
The energy was going now,
1190
01:33:52,827 --> 01:33:55,029
the writing seemed to go down.
1191
01:33:55,296 --> 01:33:58,466
Even through the haze of all
this crap that I had in my system,
1192
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:01,603
I actually could see
and feel the difference.
1193
01:34:02,604 --> 01:34:05,740
I just went to Phil
and I said, "Buddy, I...
1194
01:34:06,708 --> 01:34:08,109
I gotta get out of this thing."
1195
01:34:09,177 --> 01:34:11,179
He says, "OK,
this is what we're gonna do."
1196
01:34:11,813 --> 01:34:15,183
We do one last album
and one last world tour
1197
01:34:15,350 --> 01:34:17,118
so we can say goodbye
to all the fans."
1198
01:34:20,054 --> 01:34:22,290
So, that's what we did.
1199
01:34:22,824 --> 01:34:25,727
We're gonna do the only
slow number on the new album.
1200
01:34:27,061 --> 01:34:28,930
It's a deep meaningful song,
this one.
1201
01:34:29,130 --> 01:34:30,098
"Whiskey"!
1202
01:34:30,265 --> 01:34:32,167
No, it's not
"Whiskey in the fucking Jar".
1203
01:34:40,241 --> 01:34:41,776
When the management
first told us
1204
01:34:41,943 --> 01:34:44,145
that we're gonna take a break
that was all it was,
1205
01:34:44,279 --> 01:34:46,080
we're gonna take six months
to a year off
1206
01:34:46,481 --> 01:34:49,584
and give the guys time
to rejuvenate.
1207
01:34:50,518 --> 01:34:52,487
It was never meant to be
the end of the band.
1208
01:34:54,055 --> 01:34:57,058
All I can say about
the last years of Lynott,
1209
01:34:57,258 --> 01:35:00,061
just listen to the last album,
he's telling you everything.
1210
01:35:01,095 --> 01:35:02,130
It's all there.
1211
01:36:00,855 --> 01:36:03,458
The last gig in Dublin,
the spark was missing.
1212
01:36:04,659 --> 01:36:06,561
It was sad that this kind of Irish...
1213
01:36:06,728 --> 01:36:08,663
institution' is the wrong word,
I guess,
1214
01:36:08,830 --> 01:36:12,500
but this Irish thing called
Thin Lizzy was to be no more.
1215
01:36:14,602 --> 01:36:16,304
Now, we know in retrospect
1216
01:36:16,738 --> 01:36:20,441
they were probably quite relieved
it was almost over.
1217
01:36:22,176 --> 01:36:24,178
I've been to enough concerts
to know that
1218
01:36:24,345 --> 01:36:26,948
it was right at the feet
that I would get the plectrum.
1219
01:36:27,849 --> 01:36:30,184
I just was in the right place
at the right time.
1220
01:36:34,589 --> 01:36:35,657
Yeah.
1221
01:36:50,171 --> 01:36:52,040
We all just said
goodbye at the airport
1222
01:36:52,206 --> 01:36:56,244
as if "I'll see you next week,
then.' It was like that.
1223
01:36:56,978 --> 01:37:00,548
Totally opposite from the way I
thought the band was ever gonna end.
1224
01:37:00,682 --> 01:37:03,418
I thought it would be a mutual
thing and we'd have a party,
1225
01:37:03,584 --> 01:37:05,520
shaking hands with big hugs.
1226
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:07,722
It was me grabbing my bag
and saying,
1227
01:37:07,889 --> 01:37:09,190
"Good luck everybody."
1228
01:37:09,324 --> 01:37:11,693
It was a really crappy ending
to the whole thing.
1229
01:37:13,061 --> 01:37:15,897
So, what can you do?
1230
01:37:17,065 --> 01:37:18,566
Thin Lizzy is like a girlfriend
1231
01:37:18,733 --> 01:37:20,768
that you were madly in love with
at one stage.
1232
01:37:20,935 --> 01:37:23,071
I'm in love with the idea
of being with her again
1233
01:37:23,204 --> 01:37:25,006
but actually knowing
it's impossible,
1234
01:37:25,173 --> 01:37:26,541
you can't really go back.
1235
01:37:29,177 --> 01:37:31,946
So much had gone,
the brotherhood had gone.
1236
01:37:33,614 --> 01:37:35,216
And that's what Philip needed.
1237
01:37:56,838 --> 01:37:59,040
You cannot walk away
from a successful band
1238
01:37:59,207 --> 01:38:00,942
and expect to be
equally successful.
1239
01:38:01,109 --> 01:38:02,977
It's kind of like
starting all over again.
1240
01:38:04,212 --> 01:38:07,648
There's always
a transitional moment with fame
1241
01:38:08,149 --> 01:38:11,519
where the spotlight
moves away from you.
1242
01:38:11,686 --> 01:38:14,088
And it happens to everyone.
1243
01:38:16,824 --> 01:38:19,427
You get very vulnerable
at that moment
1244
01:38:19,761 --> 01:38:23,231
and you try and chase the fairy
dust in one way or another.
1245
01:38:37,812 --> 01:38:40,281
At that stage,
his marriage had broke up
1246
01:38:41,082 --> 01:38:43,818
and Lizzy had broke up, so
there was a lot happening there.
1247
01:38:44,218 --> 01:38:47,455
And he wasn't the same old
Philip that he used to be.
1248
01:38:51,626 --> 01:38:53,928
It's always sad
when a relationship
1249
01:38:54,162 --> 01:38:57,765
that you had thought was
for life breaks up.
1250
01:39:00,168 --> 01:39:03,771
In the same way
that we came together
1251
01:39:04,105 --> 01:39:06,908
in a kind of absorption
of each other,
1252
01:39:07,575 --> 01:39:11,546
we came apart in...
1253
01:39:12,613 --> 01:39:14,582
in... I don't know
how to describe it.
1254
01:39:14,749 --> 01:39:17,518
Ina... um...
1255
01:39:20,221 --> 01:39:23,424
Almost like the tide going out.
1256
01:39:24,725 --> 01:39:30,198
And there was,
I don't think, any point
1257
01:39:30,364 --> 01:39:36,270
where I knew that
the tide had turned.
1258
01:39:41,042 --> 01:39:44,979
I spent from 18 to 24 with him.
1259
01:39:47,415 --> 01:39:50,284
It's minute, really.
1260
01:39:54,021 --> 01:39:57,725
I kind of feel like I was only
beginning to get to know him.
1261
01:40:21,549 --> 01:40:22,617
He had faded.
1262
01:40:23,284 --> 01:40:24,652
Faded a lot.
1263
01:40:26,187 --> 01:40:27,788
I was really concerned
about him.
1264
01:40:29,790 --> 01:40:31,058
Everybody tried to help,
1265
01:40:31,225 --> 01:40:32,927
but nobody can help
a drowning man.
1266
01:40:34,095 --> 01:40:35,897
You'd do anything
to put a rope out there
1267
01:40:36,063 --> 01:40:37,498
and just haul him back in.
1268
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:40,902
But life isn't like that.
1269
01:40:47,441 --> 01:40:52,013
I wanted to get him back,
singing up in the range
1270
01:40:52,446 --> 01:40:55,550
with that power that he had,
that only he had.
1271
01:41:00,621 --> 01:41:02,590
But for Philip,
I would never be here.
1272
01:41:04,292 --> 01:41:06,027
He was instrumental for me.
1273
01:41:09,263 --> 01:41:10,565
The late '70s,
1274
01:41:10,731 --> 01:41:13,501
my band Clover was selected
to open for Thin Lizzy.
1275
01:41:15,069 --> 01:41:17,338
Our first show,
the curtain goes up to...
1276
01:41:20,107 --> 01:41:21,776
Lizzy! Here's this other band.
1277
01:41:24,178 --> 01:41:26,347
The place went, "Boo!"
1278
01:41:26,614 --> 01:41:28,349
Barely got through
all eight tunes.
1279
01:41:29,016 --> 01:41:31,919
And just hustled off the stage
to silence.
1280
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:35,523
And just in the wings
of the stage
1281
01:41:35,690 --> 01:41:37,525
watching the whole show
was Philip.
1282
01:41:39,226 --> 01:41:41,095
And he said, "Come on,
let's have a chat."
1283
01:41:42,663 --> 01:41:45,099
He had faith in me
and he raised me up.
1284
01:41:45,399 --> 01:41:46,367
Literally.
1285
01:41:48,002 --> 01:41:49,303
He came to San Francisco
1286
01:41:49,804 --> 01:41:52,940
and we spent a week
working in the studio.
1287
01:41:53,741 --> 01:41:55,343
And we got a few things cut.
1288
01:41:56,777 --> 01:41:57,979
None of them were finished,
1289
01:41:58,145 --> 01:42:00,181
but we were on our way
and it was great,
1290
01:42:00,348 --> 01:42:01,849
and he was going to go
to England
1291
01:42:02,016 --> 01:42:03,684
and come back
and finish the songs.
1292
01:42:10,891 --> 01:42:14,462
He was over
on a flying visit to Dublin
1293
01:42:15,329 --> 01:42:16,597
and we had a great chat.
1294
01:42:17,298 --> 01:42:18,332
But before he left,
1295
01:42:18,532 --> 01:42:21,002
he said, like, he goes, "I just
want to say to you that
1296
01:42:22,670 --> 01:42:24,572
my love affair
with Dublin is over.
1297
01:42:26,641 --> 01:42:29,176
So, I go, "What?"
1298
01:42:29,510 --> 01:42:31,946
And he says, "Yeah, my love
affair with Dublin's over."
1299
01:42:32,079 --> 01:42:34,482
He says, "That's it."
1300
01:42:36,784 --> 01:42:38,853
So, that was...
1301
01:42:43,524 --> 01:42:44,525
pretty sad.
1302
01:42:49,330 --> 01:42:50,598
I never saw him again.
1303
01:42:56,070 --> 01:42:57,772
After that,
he just walked out the door
1304
01:42:57,938 --> 01:42:59,573
and six months later
he was dead.
1305
01:44:26,293 --> 01:44:28,062
What a way for it to end,
you know what I mean?
1306
01:44:28,229 --> 01:44:30,798
It was just... It wasn't
how it was meant to end, was it?
1307
01:44:43,844 --> 01:44:45,780
It's just one terrible
day in my life.
1308
01:44:47,782 --> 01:44:48,883
I'll never forget it.
1309
01:44:56,724 --> 01:44:58,492
Man, it's just been on the news.
1310
01:44:58,659 --> 01:45:00,628
That's how I found out,
it was on the news.
1311
01:45:01,428 --> 01:45:02,530
Yeah.
1312
01:45:03,964 --> 01:45:04,965
Yes, sorry.
1313
01:45:13,641 --> 01:45:14,842
Absolutely crushed me.
1314
01:45:15,209 --> 01:45:16,310
I was in my basement.
1315
01:45:17,044 --> 01:45:19,680
I just sat on the stairs,
cried like a baby.
1316
01:45:22,750 --> 01:45:25,319
This was a guy that loomed large
in your life.
1317
01:45:26,220 --> 01:45:28,656
And now he's not there
and he's not gonna be there.
1318
01:45:29,223 --> 01:45:30,324
So...
1319
01:45:32,359 --> 01:45:33,494
Yeah.
1320
01:45:35,229 --> 01:45:37,565
Weird. It's even weird
to talk about it, you know.
1321
01:45:41,902 --> 01:45:43,771
There's things that
go way past shock.
1322
01:45:43,938 --> 01:45:46,040
And then there's always regrets.
1323
01:45:46,307 --> 01:45:48,442
There's always the melancholy.
1324
01:45:56,550 --> 01:45:58,219
It was absolutely
heart-breaking.
1325
01:45:58,819 --> 01:46:01,589
Even great people
are desperately vulnerable.
1326
01:46:08,095 --> 01:46:09,630
It was a horrible wet day.
1327
01:46:11,398 --> 01:46:14,134
It was bleak and black, rainy.
1328
01:46:15,069 --> 01:46:17,104
It was incredibly hard
to accept.
1329
01:46:41,228 --> 01:46:42,563
At some point,
1330
01:46:42,730 --> 01:46:46,700
there is a recognition that
that life, albeit shorter
1331
01:46:46,867 --> 01:46:49,336
and much, much shorter
than it should've been,
1332
01:46:49,937 --> 01:46:52,539
left behind something
far greater
1333
01:46:52,706 --> 01:46:54,508
than most of us will
in our lifetimes.
1334
01:46:56,043 --> 01:46:57,811
We can still hear his voice
1335
01:46:58,379 --> 01:47:01,448
and still tap into
those memories
1336
01:47:01,615 --> 01:47:03,250
of everything that he left.
1337
01:47:11,292 --> 01:47:14,962
When I was on a train with him once
when he was a little boy,
1338
01:47:15,296 --> 01:47:16,997
he put his arms around me,
he said,
1339
01:47:17,264 --> 01:47:18,899
"You smell lovely, Mummy.
1340
01:47:19,166 --> 01:47:22,536
When I grow up, I'll buy you
lots and lots of perfume
1341
01:47:22,703 --> 01:47:24,238
and a big, big house."
1342
01:47:24,505 --> 01:47:25,739
And blow me, he did.
1343
01:48:03,243 --> 01:48:04,778
All the time,
we think about him.
1344
01:48:05,546 --> 01:48:07,881
He was one of a kind,
Philip Lynott.
1345
01:48:08,615 --> 01:48:09,550
One of a kind.
1346
01:48:10,918 --> 01:48:14,254
I've stolen a few...
Or borrowed, excuse me.
1347
01:48:14,788 --> 01:48:17,825
Borrowed a few lines from him
over the years.
1348
01:48:18,058 --> 01:48:19,126
"You still out there?"
1349
01:48:21,862 --> 01:48:24,898
Phil Lynott would give you
his entire soul
1350
01:48:25,165 --> 01:48:26,367
just to get you to smile.
1351
01:48:28,535 --> 01:48:31,238
I picture him as the guy
I met at the very start.
1352
01:48:31,939 --> 01:48:33,507
He worked his arse off.
1353
01:48:34,608 --> 01:48:36,210
You can sit and dream
all you want.
1354
01:48:36,643 --> 01:48:38,145
But you've got to pick it up.
1355
01:48:42,216 --> 01:48:45,452
I reckon he'd be dancing with the
young ones around him somewhere.
1356
01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:49,456
He'd tell 'em the boys are back in
town, probably in a kind of calypso.
1357
01:48:56,296 --> 01:48:57,931
I still have dreams about him.
1358
01:48:58,565 --> 01:49:01,602
This working-class lad
who took on the world
1359
01:49:01,769 --> 01:49:04,204
and gave it
a damn good thrashing.
1360
01:49:06,006 --> 01:49:08,208
It's always him looking
over his left-hand shoulder
1361
01:49:08,375 --> 01:49:09,710
and giving me this grin.
1362
01:49:09,843 --> 01:49:12,613
Like, "Wow, check this out.
Isn't this cool, man?"
1363
01:49:12,780 --> 01:49:13,947
And I'm like, "Yeah!"
1364
01:49:21,455 --> 01:49:23,323
I have the memories,
I have the music
1365
01:49:23,524 --> 01:49:24,925
and I have Sarah and Cathleen
1366
01:49:25,459 --> 01:49:29,630
who keep him with me in my life.
1367
01:49:30,097 --> 01:49:32,166
And I'm grateful for that.
1368
01:49:38,939 --> 01:49:42,443
Loved.
We felt very loved by him.
1369
01:49:44,445 --> 01:49:45,612
To feel loved.
1370
01:49:47,081 --> 01:49:48,282
And to pass that on.
1371
01:49:49,216 --> 01:49:51,652
That's a beautiful thing.
1372
01:49:53,821 --> 01:49:55,322
Until the next time. Thank you!
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