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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:31,932 --> 00:00:33,300 It's really good to be back. 2 00:00:33,734 --> 00:00:35,869 And we'll let the show commence. 3 00:00:59,526 --> 00:01:00,994 Its OK when you're in a studio 4 00:01:01,128 --> 00:01:03,463 and there's no one there. You can say, "I love you.” 5 00:01:03,764 --> 00:01:06,099 But, when there's a couple of thousand people there, 6 00:01:06,266 --> 00:01:08,735 I'd much prefer fo say, "I'll knock your head off." 7 00:01:52,245 --> 00:01:54,548 Philip was a dreamer and a lover. 8 00:01:55,215 --> 00:01:56,750 He had such a huge heart. 9 00:01:57,050 --> 00:01:59,219 Smart, he was sensitive. 10 00:01:59,419 --> 00:02:01,588 For a hard rocker, he was very, very sensitive. 11 00:02:02,189 --> 00:02:04,591 He was fun-loving, man, he was a half-full guy. 12 00:02:05,058 --> 00:02:06,627 And talented beyond belief. 13 00:02:07,260 --> 00:02:08,629 He was all those things. 14 00:02:09,596 --> 00:02:11,698 He was young, but how many people accomplish 15 00:02:11,865 --> 00:02:13,634 what Philip accomplished in his life? 16 00:02:20,474 --> 00:02:22,142 What I always feel sad about is that 17 00:02:22,309 --> 00:02:23,844 there's so much focus on the death 18 00:02:24,311 --> 00:02:28,382 and I would love to just know more about the man, 19 00:02:28,582 --> 00:02:33,020 the living man, the happy, amazing, creative, 20 00:02:33,186 --> 00:02:37,257 you know, loving, loving, loveable man. 21 00:04:07,347 --> 00:04:09,149 Well, Philip was utterly unique. 22 00:04:10,450 --> 00:04:15,188 Exotic, exciting, thrilling, and yet Irish as well. 23 00:04:16,656 --> 00:04:19,059 If anybody had been born to be a Rasta, 24 00:04:19,226 --> 00:04:20,827 Phil Lynott was born to be a Rasta. 25 00:04:22,829 --> 00:04:24,898 The man was red hot, he was on fire. 26 00:04:25,499 --> 00:04:26,833 You just wanted to be near him. 27 00:04:28,168 --> 00:04:30,737 Literally the best hard rock entertainer 28 00:04:30,904 --> 00:04:32,339 I've ever seen, ever. 29 00:04:34,975 --> 00:04:37,711 One of the greatest songwriters of all time. 30 00:04:39,946 --> 00:04:41,782 He was fearless in his song writing. 31 00:04:43,984 --> 00:04:46,553 He wrote pieces of lyric music 32 00:04:46,686 --> 00:04:48,455 that touched people's hearts. 33 00:04:49,356 --> 00:04:52,192 He brought poetry into rock music. 34 00:04:55,862 --> 00:04:57,063 He had all the moves, 35 00:04:57,264 --> 00:05:00,133 but he was very sincere with the audience. 36 00:05:01,268 --> 00:05:04,471 He knew how to connect with them without... It wasn't an act. 37 00:05:05,906 --> 00:05:07,307 It was Phil. 38 00:05:11,778 --> 00:05:14,347 He was a very, very complex person. 39 00:05:17,450 --> 00:05:20,253 This is a man that it's going to take you years to get to know. 40 00:05:22,355 --> 00:05:26,660 Someone who will constantly surprise you. 41 00:05:30,363 --> 00:05:33,133 He was a kid living in Dublin. 42 00:05:33,967 --> 00:05:35,435 Living with his grandmother. 43 00:05:36,903 --> 00:05:40,173 Being the only Black kid in Ireland at this point. 44 00:05:43,443 --> 00:05:45,612 He was just trying to tell us who he was. 45 00:05:47,747 --> 00:05:50,817 He was a very intelligent, cultured man, 46 00:05:51,418 --> 00:05:53,687 in spite of all the razzamatazz. 47 00:05:54,788 --> 00:05:56,690 He knew the power of the words. 48 00:06:00,260 --> 00:06:01,928 Philip was just writing his life. 49 00:06:02,929 --> 00:06:05,098 He was writing the story of his life. 50 00:06:19,179 --> 00:06:20,447 Green grass. 51 00:06:21,748 --> 00:06:23,817 A girl who used to live across the road. 52 00:06:25,619 --> 00:06:28,188 Rain, my granny. 53 00:06:28,622 --> 00:06:31,658 And me in short trousers. 54 00:06:42,335 --> 00:06:44,337 When I went over to England, 55 00:06:44,537 --> 00:06:48,508 I was seventeen, and I got myself in trouble. 56 00:06:48,808 --> 00:06:52,812 And a big, tall Black gentleman became the father of Philip. 57 00:06:53,146 --> 00:06:54,781 And, in those days, 58 00:06:54,948 --> 00:06:58,351 if a girl had a baby without a ring on her finger, 59 00:06:58,551 --> 00:07:00,086 she was soiled goods. 60 00:07:00,553 --> 00:07:03,723 And I got battered and beaten because I was the mother 61 00:07:03,890 --> 00:07:05,125 of the Black baby. 62 00:07:07,994 --> 00:07:09,462 Philomena Lynott went through 63 00:07:09,629 --> 00:07:11,831 an extremely difficult number of years 64 00:07:11,965 --> 00:07:15,936 before she made the decision that Philip would be better 65 00:07:16,102 --> 00:07:18,505 back in Dublin with her mother and father. 66 00:07:19,806 --> 00:07:22,709 I asked my mother would she help me, 67 00:07:23,209 --> 00:07:24,577 and my mother took Philip, 68 00:07:25,045 --> 00:07:26,913 and it was heart-rending fo leave him. 69 00:08:12,492 --> 00:08:15,261 14-15 months between us, like, 70 00:08:15,462 --> 00:08:17,330 we grew up basically as brothers. 71 00:08:19,499 --> 00:08:21,267 Definitely did have an English accent. 72 00:08:22,035 --> 00:08:23,303 He soon lost that. 73 00:08:23,503 --> 00:08:25,705 You hear him, he's real Dub. 74 00:08:28,308 --> 00:08:30,310 Crumlin was a very special place. 75 00:08:31,344 --> 00:08:33,546 Big families, there was nine of us. 76 00:08:35,448 --> 00:08:38,885 There was no such thing as contraception then, you know. 77 00:08:42,689 --> 00:08:45,291 Two bedrooms and an outside toilet. 78 00:08:45,525 --> 00:08:47,327 There was two double beds in the back room 79 00:08:47,527 --> 00:08:49,462 and two double beds in the front room. 80 00:09:35,075 --> 00:09:36,309 School, of course, 81 00:09:36,776 --> 00:09:38,378 that was just pandemonium. 82 00:09:39,846 --> 00:09:42,816 I remember exactly the first morning 83 00:09:42,982 --> 00:09:44,384 walking through the gates. 84 00:09:44,884 --> 00:09:46,853 There was a crowd of chaps there. 85 00:09:47,454 --> 00:09:51,658 Like, you just didn't see Black people in Ireland in the '50s. 86 00:09:52,192 --> 00:09:53,660 And then the name came out. 87 00:09:55,095 --> 00:09:56,129 "Hey, blackie!" 88 00:09:57,497 --> 00:09:58,631 "Hey, blackie!" 89 00:09:59,065 --> 00:10:03,336 You know, and, my, the hairs on the back of my neck. 90 00:10:04,137 --> 00:10:06,072 And I just said, "Philip, come on, 91 00:10:06,206 --> 00:10:07,707 let's get stuck into this." 92 00:10:08,308 --> 00:10:09,409 And we went over. 93 00:10:09,609 --> 00:10:12,378 And we were in more fights, the two of us, 94 00:10:12,812 --> 00:10:15,115 around the first few weeks in school, 95 00:10:16,116 --> 00:10:17,750 but that was the end of it. 96 00:10:18,184 --> 00:10:20,153 They just stopped it after that. 97 00:10:21,020 --> 00:10:24,691 So, yeah, those were the days. 98 00:10:26,860 --> 00:10:28,728 I don't think he had an easy childhood. 99 00:10:29,429 --> 00:10:31,231 And it must've been bloody hard for him, 100 00:10:31,431 --> 00:10:32,699 if you think about it. 101 00:10:33,133 --> 00:10:34,767 Being the only Black kid in the school 102 00:10:34,934 --> 00:10:37,003 and having a mother that visited from England. 103 00:10:37,537 --> 00:10:39,005 But he adored his mother 104 00:10:39,172 --> 00:10:41,274 and he would've done anything for his mother. 105 00:10:43,009 --> 00:10:45,211 I certainly always saw 106 00:10:45,411 --> 00:10:47,547 a very strong connection between 107 00:10:47,714 --> 00:10:49,449 the rebel spirit that Philip had 108 00:10:49,883 --> 00:10:52,218 and the rebel spirit that Philomena had shown. 109 00:10:56,055 --> 00:10:59,192 He reflected an extraordinary love of Philomena 110 00:10:59,325 --> 00:11:00,493 in his song writing. 111 00:11:03,496 --> 00:11:06,366 A child who is separated from the parent 112 00:11:06,566 --> 00:11:09,135 that has brought them up for the first seven or eight years, 113 00:11:09,302 --> 00:11:11,404 that is obviously going to have a huge impact. 114 00:11:58,785 --> 00:11:59,819 At that time, 115 00:11:59,986 --> 00:12:02,755 Ireland was very much an oppressive state. 116 00:12:02,889 --> 00:12:04,591 In many ways, precisely the opposite 117 00:12:04,724 --> 00:12:06,226 of the land of opportunity. 118 00:12:06,392 --> 00:12:09,896 But there was a sense that rock and roll mattered. 119 00:12:20,373 --> 00:12:23,810 Show bands dominated music in Ireland. 120 00:12:24,310 --> 00:12:25,511 Dancehalls everywhere 121 00:12:25,645 --> 00:12:27,413 and people dancing seven nights a week. 122 00:12:27,580 --> 00:12:29,349 Big ballrooms in the middle of nowhere. 123 00:12:29,549 --> 00:12:31,751 No alcohol and the opposite sex. 124 00:12:44,530 --> 00:12:45,932 Kind of a teenage show band. 125 00:12:46,165 --> 00:12:48,134 It was a very innocent thing when you think back on it. 126 00:12:48,301 --> 00:12:50,136 There's a bunch of fifteen or sixteen-year-olds 127 00:12:50,303 --> 00:12:52,305 going around the place and getting paid to do it. 128 00:12:54,807 --> 00:12:56,542 We used to call ourselves The Eagles. 129 00:12:56,709 --> 00:12:58,811 Then we heard there was a little Mickey Mouse band in America 130 00:12:58,978 --> 00:13:00,146 called The Eagles. 131 00:13:00,446 --> 00:13:02,115 So, we said we'd better change our name. 132 00:13:02,715 --> 00:13:04,550 And then, of course, when Philip came in, 133 00:13:04,684 --> 00:13:06,986 it was an automatic change to The Black Eagles. 134 00:13:09,455 --> 00:13:12,325 We'd be out travelling, playing second fiddle to the show bands. 135 00:13:12,525 --> 00:13:15,828 And we could be going to Dundalk, or Tramore or Galway. 136 00:13:16,229 --> 00:13:18,865 Then you'd be back home and up for school the next morning. 137 00:13:20,333 --> 00:13:23,136 If Philip was short of something, he was short of confidence. 138 00:13:23,603 --> 00:13:24,704 But he stood out. 139 00:13:25,538 --> 00:13:27,573 Bear in mind, I'm only thirteen at the time 140 00:13:27,740 --> 00:13:29,309 but I knew he had something special. 141 00:13:34,580 --> 00:13:35,948 We make connections 142 00:13:36,115 --> 00:13:39,052 which can have a transformative effect. 143 00:13:45,792 --> 00:13:48,828 The fact Philip connected with Brian Downey at school 144 00:13:48,995 --> 00:13:50,830 was something that mattered hugely 145 00:13:50,963 --> 00:13:53,700 to the way in which his life and his career developed. 146 00:13:58,104 --> 00:14:00,807 One Monday morning, me and Brian Downey were called down 147 00:14:00,973 --> 00:14:04,010 fo the headmaster and he goes, "What do you wanna do? 148 00:14:04,177 --> 00:14:06,546 Do you want a good, steady trade and job 149 00:14:06,713 --> 00:14:08,614 and be able fo support a wife and children 150 00:14:08,815 --> 00:14:11,851 or do you want fo be a dirty rock musician?" 151 00:14:14,554 --> 00:14:16,022 I remember when he joined Skid Row 152 00:14:16,189 --> 00:14:18,191 Brush Shiels would say, "Get out in front there, Philip, 153 00:14:18,324 --> 00:14:19,525 and take the jigs." 154 00:14:19,692 --> 00:14:21,694 And he picked Philip 'cause he was a looker. 155 00:14:21,894 --> 00:14:23,463 I'm a big Harry Belafonte fan, 156 00:14:23,629 --> 00:14:25,832 I says, "Who's this guy? He looks good. 157 00:14:26,366 --> 00:14:28,234 If he can sing, then we're in business." 158 00:14:29,969 --> 00:14:32,105 So, I went in and I said to him, "What do you like?" 159 00:14:32,672 --> 00:14:35,408 And he says to me, "I like Paul Simon, 160 00:14:36,008 --> 00:14:37,176 "I Am A Rock"." 161 00:14:38,044 --> 00:14:40,113 I said, "Ah, nothing..." 162 00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:42,849 Then he says, "I like Nico and The Velvet Underground." 163 00:14:43,015 --> 00:14:45,818 I says, "No, nothing like that. 164 00:14:45,985 --> 00:14:49,155 Like, you wanna be Jimi Hendrix, that's where we're going." 165 00:14:51,624 --> 00:14:52,992 That was a great line-up. 166 00:14:53,259 --> 00:14:55,595 Gary Moore had arrived down from Belfast 167 00:14:55,728 --> 00:14:57,029 at the age of sixteen, 168 00:14:57,163 --> 00:14:58,965 to become the guitar player in Skid Row. 169 00:14:59,165 --> 00:15:02,068 He'd go on to have a relationship with Philip over the years, 170 00:15:02,235 --> 00:15:03,970 as a sideman and as a rival. 171 00:15:05,071 --> 00:15:07,006 This was a band that had pedigree. 172 00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:09,876 The ideal training ground, really, for performance. 173 00:15:10,810 --> 00:15:12,712 He wasn't singing on key that well. 174 00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:16,215 But then it turned out that he had a very bad tonsil in his throat. 175 00:15:16,449 --> 00:15:18,251 So, his ma brought him over to Manchester 176 00:15:18,451 --> 00:15:19,852 to get his tonsils done. 177 00:15:20,219 --> 00:15:22,021 When he came back, I had to let him go. 178 00:15:22,955 --> 00:15:25,925 He came on my honeymoon, he was one of my best pals. 179 00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:29,896 I took it very badly and he took it very badly but it had to be done. 180 00:15:30,296 --> 00:15:32,231 There's no turning back with these things. 181 00:15:32,832 --> 00:15:34,467 You knew, for Phil to survive, 182 00:15:34,634 --> 00:15:36,702 I told him, "You have to play an instrument." 183 00:15:37,303 --> 00:15:39,305 And I promised that I'd teach him how to play. 184 00:15:39,572 --> 00:15:41,407 And the next day he was up at my house 185 00:15:41,574 --> 00:15:43,209 to start the bass lessons. 186 00:15:43,743 --> 00:15:45,745 That was it, away he went. 187 00:15:47,180 --> 00:15:49,115 The beginning of Philo. 188 00:15:52,452 --> 00:15:54,353 The first thing you need to know about the bass is 189 00:15:54,554 --> 00:15:57,523 it's that big heavy thing that hangs down between your legs. 190 00:15:58,658 --> 00:16:02,228 The bass is this secret weapon, it's where the power comes from. 191 00:16:02,862 --> 00:16:05,298 It locks in a groove with the drum Kit. 192 00:16:06,466 --> 00:16:09,535 The drums and the bass give you that nice, sexy 193 00:16:09,702 --> 00:16:11,003 wiggle of the hips. 194 00:16:11,170 --> 00:16:14,173 And then all the other girly stuff sits on top. 195 00:16:14,507 --> 00:16:16,142 But we are the men of the band. 196 00:16:18,911 --> 00:16:21,814 Philip became a very accomplished musician, 197 00:16:22,248 --> 00:16:24,484 so it was a weapon in his hands. 198 00:16:25,551 --> 00:16:26,652 Da-da! 199 00:16:27,653 --> 00:16:29,288 This is where it all happens, folks. 200 00:16:42,134 --> 00:16:45,304 I remember the first night I ever went out in Dublin on my own. 201 00:16:46,572 --> 00:16:48,074 I went round all these pubs, 202 00:16:48,341 --> 00:16:50,109 "Do you know any bass players and drummers?" 203 00:16:50,243 --> 00:16:51,611 "Sorry, we can't help you." 204 00:16:52,178 --> 00:16:54,981 I thought, "You silly bastard. What have you done?' 205 00:16:57,283 --> 00:16:58,851 And then I met Eric Wrixon 206 00:16:59,418 --> 00:17:02,088 and we ended up going to the Countdown Club. 207 00:17:02,855 --> 00:17:04,924 Next minute, this band walked on the stage 208 00:17:05,091 --> 00:17:07,793 and Philip was the singer and Brian Downey was the drummer. 209 00:17:20,139 --> 00:17:21,908 Laugh at this or not, but 210 00:17:22,074 --> 00:17:24,443 a wise man makes his own opportunities. 211 00:17:26,112 --> 00:17:27,580 And I'd said, "Right." 212 00:17:28,714 --> 00:17:32,084 I got up, sort of staggered over to the changing room door 213 00:17:32,351 --> 00:17:34,253 and knocked on it. 214 00:17:34,854 --> 00:17:35,855 "Come in." 215 00:17:37,423 --> 00:17:40,293 I forgot to mention this. It was my first trip on acid. 216 00:17:41,127 --> 00:17:42,528 I couldn't talk to them. 217 00:17:42,695 --> 00:17:44,664 I was giggling at everything I said. 218 00:17:44,897 --> 00:17:47,567 And they thought I was an escaped nutter or something. 219 00:17:47,767 --> 00:17:50,736 And I said, "Yeah, I'm actually looking for a bass player 220 00:17:50,903 --> 00:17:52,772 and drummer and I can't find anybody 221 00:17:52,939 --> 00:17:55,141 and my money's running out..." 222 00:17:57,410 --> 00:17:59,979 And Phil said, "Right, we'll form a band with you, Eric, 223 00:18:00,146 --> 00:18:01,347 on two conditions. 224 00:18:02,248 --> 00:18:04,383 Number one: I wanna play the bass." 225 00:18:05,051 --> 00:18:07,286 And I said, "OK, can you play the bass?" 226 00:18:07,987 --> 00:18:10,189 He said, "I'm getting lessons from Brush Shiels." 227 00:18:10,323 --> 00:18:11,657 "OK, what's the second?" 228 00:18:11,824 --> 00:18:13,793 He said, "I wanna do some of my own songs." 229 00:18:15,328 --> 00:18:17,330 And when I heard Philip's songs, 230 00:18:17,897 --> 00:18:21,133 I imagined my own guitar playing in them. 231 00:18:22,902 --> 00:18:23,903 I just knew. 232 00:18:27,306 --> 00:18:30,576 Philip started his early writing career 233 00:18:30,743 --> 00:18:32,712 as a kind of poet, and that's what he was. 234 00:18:33,613 --> 00:18:35,181 The songs come from inspiration, 235 00:18:35,348 --> 00:18:37,984 but I don't really check out where the inspiration comes from 236 00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:40,019 cause thats getting foo close fo the mark. 237 00:18:41,053 --> 00:18:42,488 You write about what you know 238 00:18:42,655 --> 00:18:45,825 and Philip wrote about his life in Dublin. 239 00:18:46,826 --> 00:18:48,494 There was a cinema called The Star. 240 00:18:49,028 --> 00:18:50,630 And all the kids went there. 241 00:18:50,930 --> 00:18:52,832 They showed all the cowboy movies. 242 00:18:53,466 --> 00:18:55,868 Roy Rogers, Hopalong Cassidy, 243 00:18:57,169 --> 00:18:59,205 all those movies, so we used to go there. 244 00:19:00,006 --> 00:19:01,941 The whole point of Philip's existence 245 00:19:02,108 --> 00:19:06,646 was this miasma of different cultural interactions. 246 00:19:07,346 --> 00:19:08,581 Comic books, 247 00:19:09,782 --> 00:19:11,550 you had Irish myths and legends: 248 00:19:11,951 --> 00:19:13,953 the children of Lir, Cuchulain. 249 00:19:14,286 --> 00:19:16,489 You had cowboys, he was obsessed with cowboys. 250 00:19:17,923 --> 00:19:20,126 And Philip found his own niche in the middle of all that 251 00:19:20,292 --> 00:19:22,495 with the mythical as well as mystical. 252 00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:24,296 He liked everything from the Lone Ranger 253 00:19:24,497 --> 00:19:25,965 to Gnasher and Dennis the Menace 254 00:19:26,132 --> 00:19:27,700 in the Beano at the time. 255 00:19:43,783 --> 00:19:45,651 The first Lizzy variant was a four-piece. 256 00:19:46,352 --> 00:19:47,953 Eric Wrixon on keyboard. 257 00:19:48,087 --> 00:19:49,989 And essentially he was let go 258 00:19:50,122 --> 00:19:52,525 simply because they weren't generating enough money. 259 00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:03,402 Philip said, "Traffic got a house together, 260 00:20:03,569 --> 00:20:05,404 the Allman Brothers got a house together, 261 00:20:05,571 --> 00:20:07,873 Crosby, Stills and Nash have got a house together, 262 00:20:08,574 --> 00:20:11,177 and they're doing it because they can work on their music 263 00:20:11,343 --> 00:20:13,012 all day every day. 264 00:20:13,345 --> 00:20:14,380 You're living it." 265 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:18,651 Philip had tuned in to the idea 266 00:20:18,818 --> 00:20:21,587 that you could express yourself through music 267 00:20:22,021 --> 00:20:24,223 and he found a voice. 268 00:20:26,092 --> 00:20:28,527 Philip had this amazing energy about him. 269 00:20:29,295 --> 00:20:32,898 I'd be sitting on the sofa with an acoustic guitar 270 00:20:33,132 --> 00:20:35,735 and Brian Downey doing this. 271 00:20:36,969 --> 00:20:39,605 Philip would say, "I've got this idea. 272 00:20:39,939 --> 00:20:41,407 What was that you were playing?" 273 00:20:41,574 --> 00:20:43,642 And I'd play it, and he said, "No, 274 00:20:44,376 --> 00:20:48,380 too bluesy. No, too jazzy. Too folky. Too rocky." 275 00:20:48,581 --> 00:20:50,449 I said, "What do you frickin' want? 276 00:20:51,417 --> 00:20:53,819 It's all I know. You've heard it, you know." 277 00:20:54,954 --> 00:20:58,824 And he'd say, "Yeah, that's when you start." 278 00:21:00,626 --> 00:21:03,028 You could see Philip developing as a lyric writer 279 00:21:03,195 --> 00:21:06,232 and he was sort of folky, mystic, 280 00:21:06,365 --> 00:21:09,335 part of that folk tradition that was happening at the time. 281 00:21:10,603 --> 00:21:13,139 There was more honesty in his writing in the early days. 282 00:21:13,405 --> 00:21:14,673 Much more innocent. 283 00:21:15,007 --> 00:21:18,177 He hadn't had a taste of the bigtime yet. 284 00:21:19,411 --> 00:21:21,947 Philip created a cast of characters. 285 00:21:22,715 --> 00:21:24,250 He was looking at the people he knew. 286 00:21:24,483 --> 00:21:27,186 And he was including them in his songs. 287 00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:31,190 It was a summer, so you know how summers stretch. 288 00:21:31,323 --> 00:21:33,926 You always think they're much longer than they actually are. 289 00:21:34,493 --> 00:21:36,629 They had a little summer house, a conservatory thing 290 00:21:36,762 --> 00:21:38,164 attached to the side of the house. 291 00:21:38,330 --> 00:21:39,565 They said I could basically stay there 292 00:21:39,732 --> 00:21:42,902 providing I made sure there was bread and cornflakes and all that stuff. 293 00:21:43,068 --> 00:21:44,537 We got on incredibly well. 294 00:21:45,004 --> 00:21:47,873 There was nothing physical at all, it was just verbal. 295 00:21:48,774 --> 00:21:50,709 And then after that something had changed. 296 00:21:55,848 --> 00:21:57,783 The first time I heard, I was a bit worried 297 00:21:57,950 --> 00:21:59,752 he was improving a bit too fast for my liking. 298 00:22:31,817 --> 00:22:34,286 "Be afraid". I mean, that's kind of worrying, isn't it? 299 00:22:34,553 --> 00:22:35,688 "Be afraid". 300 00:22:50,202 --> 00:22:52,771 I had a ferocious side in those days, I had a temper. 301 00:23:00,813 --> 00:23:03,616 I had an awful lot going on in my head, I wanted answers to everything. 302 00:23:03,782 --> 00:23:05,885 I spent my entire life asking why, when, 303 00:23:06,085 --> 00:23:07,953 what am I doing here, who am I? 304 00:23:08,087 --> 00:23:10,990 And I think he had a similar thing going on. 305 00:23:13,125 --> 00:23:16,028 At one stage, during the time I managed the band, 306 00:23:16,195 --> 00:23:19,632 we took a break, and it was around Philip's 21st. 307 00:23:20,633 --> 00:23:22,868 We decided we'd go to London for the holiday. 308 00:23:23,802 --> 00:23:26,305 And Philip said to myself and Brian, 309 00:23:27,306 --> 00:23:30,643 "My mother says my dad works there as a barber. 310 00:23:31,644 --> 00:23:33,946 So, I'd like to see if I can find him. 311 00:23:35,014 --> 00:23:39,084 This is both a sad and funny story in a weird way. 312 00:23:39,752 --> 00:23:43,489 But anyway, we went onto the road and there were loads of barber shops 313 00:23:43,656 --> 00:23:46,659 and Philip went in and myself and Brian stayed outside. 314 00:23:47,626 --> 00:23:50,029 And Philip came out and he said, "No, no, no." 315 00:23:50,329 --> 00:23:53,265 So then, we only went down about two or three shops 316 00:23:53,465 --> 00:23:54,733 and there was another barber shop 317 00:23:54,900 --> 00:23:56,769 and the same thing happened: "No, no, no." 318 00:23:56,936 --> 00:23:59,538 Anyway, after about the fifth one, Philip came out 319 00:23:59,705 --> 00:24:01,073 and said, "Fuck this." 320 00:24:01,573 --> 00:24:02,741 And we just went off. 321 00:24:03,809 --> 00:24:05,711 I suppose it might've been to do with our age 322 00:24:05,844 --> 00:24:10,616 or how men maybe, or young men behaved at the time. 323 00:24:11,183 --> 00:24:12,618 It didn't really occur to me 324 00:24:12,785 --> 00:24:16,989 that, "Oh, God, he's looking for his dad." 325 00:24:17,623 --> 00:24:20,392 Or anything like that, that was just something he was doing. 326 00:24:21,493 --> 00:24:25,030 But he just kept saying, "I'd really like to find him." 327 00:24:29,134 --> 00:24:32,538 It was like he resigned himself to it very rapidly. 328 00:24:33,339 --> 00:24:36,842 He wouldn't be the kind of person that would want to spoil our day. 329 00:24:37,543 --> 00:24:39,745 So, we just came out of there and we just went off. 330 00:24:39,912 --> 00:24:43,182 I think we went to Kensington Market and bought some bell bottoms. 331 00:25:36,301 --> 00:25:39,138 Even though he was an easy-going kind of bloke, 332 00:25:39,805 --> 00:25:41,140 there was a drive there 333 00:25:41,306 --> 00:25:45,978 that he'd start setting his sights on things, higher. 334 00:25:51,984 --> 00:25:54,853 He didn't wanna hang around too long around Dublin. 335 00:25:55,020 --> 00:25:57,689 That guy had ambitions. 336 00:25:59,491 --> 00:26:01,794 I don't know anybody who doesn't want to move forward. 337 00:26:01,927 --> 00:26:05,564 In that time, most people left, and to get anywhere, you had to leave. 338 00:26:05,731 --> 00:26:07,466 There's a big wide world out there. 339 00:26:07,633 --> 00:26:09,535 Never mind England, there was America. 340 00:26:09,768 --> 00:26:11,270 So, no, he wanted to go. 341 00:26:11,703 --> 00:26:14,473 He wanted to record, he wanted a recording deal. 342 00:26:14,807 --> 00:26:16,108 He wasn't getting that in Ireland. 343 00:26:16,942 --> 00:26:18,143 He was on a different path, 344 00:26:18,343 --> 00:26:20,179 a path that he'd known from a young age. 345 00:26:24,783 --> 00:26:26,185 He loved Dublin. 346 00:26:26,452 --> 00:26:27,653 Dublin was home. 347 00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:29,788 You know, it was where the heart is. 348 00:26:30,489 --> 00:26:32,291 He was in love with Dublin. 349 00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:34,593 He loved being a Dub. 350 00:26:36,261 --> 00:26:37,329 Up the Dubs. 351 00:26:40,532 --> 00:26:43,035 It really was an extraordinary love affair. 352 00:27:49,234 --> 00:27:51,336 How do you write that? You have to be there. 353 00:27:51,537 --> 00:27:53,572 You have to live there before you can say that. 354 00:27:54,806 --> 00:27:56,942 There's that wonderful line it where he says, 355 00:27:57,109 --> 00:27:58,777 "And that sea with blowing hair". 356 00:27:58,944 --> 00:28:02,814 You know, he just encapsulated what it was like to stand there 357 00:28:03,448 --> 00:28:08,487 and to look at this strip of land just disappear. 358 00:28:08,954 --> 00:28:12,591 And the loved ones you leave behind. 359 00:28:53,498 --> 00:28:56,868 A lot of people think we just waltzed over to England all of a sudden. 360 00:28:58,904 --> 00:29:00,205 No, it wasn't like that at all. 361 00:29:03,208 --> 00:29:05,544 We had to start from the very bottom, 362 00:29:06,011 --> 00:29:09,047 all over again, 'cause nobody knew who the freak we were. 363 00:29:10,182 --> 00:29:11,950 One of the top bands in Ireland. 364 00:29:12,351 --> 00:29:14,152 Now we'll go and conquer England. 365 00:29:15,220 --> 00:29:16,455 I don't think so. 366 00:29:16,788 --> 00:29:17,656 Thin who? 367 00:29:21,026 --> 00:29:23,428 When we got to London, there were signs saying: 368 00:29:23,562 --> 00:29:26,265 "No Irish, no Blacks, no dogs". 369 00:29:27,899 --> 00:29:30,802 There was no way that he would think because he was Black or Irish, 370 00:29:31,069 --> 00:29:33,338 he was lesser than anybody else on the planet. 371 00:29:34,473 --> 00:29:36,308 But he needed to prove it to himself. 372 00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:40,579 It was very, very difficult. 373 00:29:41,246 --> 00:29:44,383 Philip had one room in London which he shared with his girlfriend. 374 00:29:44,983 --> 00:29:46,585 I lived in this horrible attic. 375 00:29:47,052 --> 00:29:49,021 And Brian Downey had no windows. 376 00:29:49,221 --> 00:29:52,124 And a guy that made porn movies next door to him. 377 00:29:53,525 --> 00:29:56,962 Meanwhile, back in Ireland, everybody thought we were like fucking royalty. 378 00:30:54,786 --> 00:30:57,656 I didn't know anything about them until I was 379 00:30:57,923 --> 00:30:59,691 booked as the opening act 380 00:31:00,592 --> 00:31:02,728 on Slade's first ever nationwide tour. 381 00:31:03,695 --> 00:31:05,630 That was the first time I met Phil. 382 00:31:06,164 --> 00:31:09,534 He was not in your face like he was later, not at all. 383 00:31:09,735 --> 00:31:12,137 In fact, they worked very much as a three-piece. 384 00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:15,974 At this point in time, Philip's pretty shy on stage. 385 00:31:16,375 --> 00:31:18,110 I was more out front than him. 386 00:31:18,944 --> 00:31:21,413 Maybe he was finding his feet. I know I was. 387 00:31:23,048 --> 00:31:26,451 On that tour, Thin Lizzy had a bit of hostility. 388 00:31:26,618 --> 00:31:28,387 And I remember Noddy mentioning it a few times. 389 00:31:28,587 --> 00:31:30,322 "Don't worry, doesn't mean anything. 390 00:31:30,522 --> 00:31:32,524 They're just our crazy fans and they wanna see us 391 00:31:32,691 --> 00:31:34,092 and nobody else," and blah blah. 392 00:31:34,259 --> 00:31:35,861 But that must've been hard for them. 393 00:31:36,328 --> 00:31:38,964 Phil, God love him, went up to the mic, he says, 394 00:31:39,531 --> 00:31:41,733 "For fuck's sake, give us a chance, will you?" 395 00:31:42,567 --> 00:31:44,770 And they just started: "We want Slade! 396 00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:46,905 We want Slade! 397 00:31:47,472 --> 00:31:49,074 We want Slade!" 398 00:31:50,008 --> 00:31:52,444 And we walked into our changing room defeated. 399 00:31:53,245 --> 00:31:55,514 And, next minute, the door bangs open 400 00:31:55,714 --> 00:31:58,750 and Chas Chandler walks in, who is Slade's manager. 401 00:31:58,884 --> 00:32:02,020 But he also managed Hendrix, one of Phil's idols. 402 00:32:03,822 --> 00:32:05,123 "What was all that about? 403 00:32:05,891 --> 00:32:08,794 Listen, I'll tell you what, if yous don't get it together, 404 00:32:08,927 --> 00:32:11,663 you're off the fucking tour," and he slammed the door. 405 00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:14,366 And Philip was like white. 406 00:32:15,667 --> 00:32:18,870 That takes a pivotal moment to push you in that spotlight. 407 00:32:19,671 --> 00:32:21,973 Maybe that toughened him up to be who he was, too. 408 00:32:22,741 --> 00:32:25,010 He had to morph into something that would make it. 409 00:32:25,911 --> 00:32:28,814 You have to find a way to get to each person in the audience. 410 00:32:30,582 --> 00:32:32,651 He was blown away by Slade. 411 00:32:33,251 --> 00:32:35,821 Every night, Philip would be standing in the wings 412 00:32:35,987 --> 00:32:38,657 watching Noddy Holder, taking it all in. 413 00:32:39,324 --> 00:32:40,725 He was learning all the time. 414 00:32:40,892 --> 00:32:43,228 That's the way he was, picking up ideas 415 00:32:43,428 --> 00:32:44,529 all over the place. 416 00:32:45,096 --> 00:32:47,933 Noddy Holder's hat had all the little mirrors on it. 417 00:32:49,034 --> 00:32:50,602 He thought that was a great idea. 418 00:32:51,937 --> 00:32:54,539 Philip came in and he said, 419 00:32:54,706 --> 00:32:56,074 "Hey, Harry, look at this." 420 00:32:56,541 --> 00:32:58,977 A mirror that you got for a budgie's cage. 421 00:33:00,712 --> 00:33:04,483 And he says, "I'm gonna shine this in all the chicks' eyes." 422 00:33:14,926 --> 00:33:18,263 He put a mirror right on his guitar, 423 00:33:19,030 --> 00:33:20,499 which caught the spotlight, 424 00:33:21,132 --> 00:33:23,134 and he'd shine it around at the audience. 425 00:33:23,535 --> 00:33:26,705 And eye up the girls, find the really attractive ones 426 00:33:26,872 --> 00:33:28,673 in the audience and light them up. 427 00:33:28,907 --> 00:33:31,810 He'd go, "I hear some of you girls out there 428 00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:33,812 got a little Irish in ya." 429 00:33:34,212 --> 00:33:35,514 And they'd go, "Yeah!" 430 00:33:35,647 --> 00:33:37,616 He'd go, "Would you like a little more?" 431 00:33:42,053 --> 00:33:44,222 The change was totally dramatic. 432 00:33:44,823 --> 00:33:47,325 All the poses, the trousers, the mirrors. 433 00:33:48,260 --> 00:33:50,262 He could hold the audience in the palm of his hand. 434 00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:55,066 He was born to be on stage. 435 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:56,902 He was a showman. 436 00:34:44,082 --> 00:34:47,052 You see the writing turn and the sound of the band change 437 00:34:47,218 --> 00:34:50,255 and it becomes a lot more affected by '70s glam 438 00:34:50,622 --> 00:34:53,191 and I guess that's where Philip came into his own, 439 00:34:53,325 --> 00:34:55,794 both as a songwriter and visually. 440 00:34:56,661 --> 00:34:58,029 "I am your main man. 441 00:34:58,163 --> 00:35:01,032 If you're looking for trouble, you don't have to go anywhere else." 442 00:35:02,734 --> 00:35:05,704 That's a great statement of bravado 443 00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:09,074 and you have to protect that position as a man, 444 00:35:09,207 --> 00:35:10,809 if you stand up and say that. 445 00:35:11,142 --> 00:35:12,644 But it takes some balls. 446 00:35:15,647 --> 00:35:19,150 You didn't often get real introspection 447 00:35:19,551 --> 00:35:21,152 in Philip Lynott songs. 448 00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:23,788 We tended to be describing a world outside. 449 00:35:23,922 --> 00:35:25,590 He'd tend to be creating characters 450 00:35:25,724 --> 00:35:28,193 who were up to various adventures and misadventures. 451 00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:33,431 I think every writer does that, especially in the music world. 452 00:35:33,932 --> 00:35:36,501 That tenderness, that honesty, that vulnerability 453 00:35:36,668 --> 00:35:40,305 is always hidden by a big noisy band. 454 00:35:41,573 --> 00:35:45,310 And when we stand up there as big bold rock stars, 455 00:35:45,777 --> 00:35:48,213 we need some armour against the world. 456 00:35:48,546 --> 00:35:50,482 And it's quite hard to stand up there 457 00:35:51,783 --> 00:35:53,585 and fully reveal yourself. 458 00:35:54,052 --> 00:35:55,887 I think it may have started out as a game, 459 00:35:56,054 --> 00:35:57,789 but he actually probably did become it 460 00:35:57,922 --> 00:36:00,859 because he had to have a stage persona. 461 00:36:01,026 --> 00:36:03,294 And I think that almost became bigger than he was. 462 00:36:04,496 --> 00:36:06,498 I think the onstage Philip was the Philip 463 00:36:06,665 --> 00:36:08,233 that Philip had in his mind. 464 00:36:08,733 --> 00:36:13,304 There was this constant pulling, this to-ing and fro-ing 465 00:36:13,738 --> 00:36:15,807 between the sensitive poet 466 00:36:17,042 --> 00:36:18,843 and the rock star. 467 00:36:19,544 --> 00:36:22,547 It's just tempting to let the grr take over. 468 00:36:23,214 --> 00:36:24,249 It just is. 469 00:36:34,592 --> 00:36:37,328 Nobody knows what goes on 470 00:36:37,529 --> 00:36:39,130 when you have an ethnic difference 471 00:36:40,231 --> 00:36:42,167 because you're taking blows all the time, 472 00:36:42,333 --> 00:36:43,868 you just let 'em wash off. 473 00:36:44,602 --> 00:36:47,005 Trust me, there were people saying stuff to this guy 474 00:36:47,172 --> 00:36:48,573 that was hurting him to his core. 475 00:37:10,161 --> 00:37:12,664 In the early days, with Philip in Ireland, 476 00:37:13,064 --> 00:37:14,733 if you went into an ordinary shop, 477 00:37:15,333 --> 00:37:18,336 it was a bit like a cowboy movie when the piano player'd stop. 478 00:37:19,771 --> 00:37:20,972 And everybody'd go... 479 00:37:22,073 --> 00:37:24,642 Because they'd never really seen a Black person before. 480 00:37:35,854 --> 00:37:39,257 I think being Black fuelled his ambition. 481 00:37:40,024 --> 00:37:41,326 It sort of gave him an edge. 482 00:37:42,193 --> 00:37:43,628 Boy, did it give him an edge. 483 00:37:53,571 --> 00:37:56,908 There was a very big moment when the decision was, 484 00:37:57,041 --> 00:37:58,743 if you like, forced on the band, 485 00:37:58,910 --> 00:38:02,113 that "Whiskey in the Jar" should be the single. 486 00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:12,223 It was a folk song. 487 00:38:15,193 --> 00:38:17,462 Our manager said, "What was that you were playing 488 00:38:17,629 --> 00:38:18,963 just before I came in?" 489 00:38:19,230 --> 00:38:20,965 And we're looking at him like, "What? 490 00:38:21,533 --> 00:38:23,968 Only messing about with "Whiskey in the Jar'." 491 00:38:24,903 --> 00:38:27,338 And he says, "I think you have a hit there." 492 00:38:28,106 --> 00:38:29,874 We were gonna throw him out the window. 493 00:38:30,008 --> 00:38:33,211 "You want us to record an Irish folk song 494 00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:36,347 and we left Ireland to get away from this music." 495 00:38:37,415 --> 00:38:39,651 In those sort of magic moments 496 00:38:39,818 --> 00:38:42,020 where someone makes the right decision, 497 00:38:42,187 --> 00:38:43,822 people's lives are transformed. 498 00:38:44,289 --> 00:38:47,792 We thought, as a laugh, for all our supporters back in Ireland, 499 00:38:47,992 --> 00:38:49,928 we'd send up the whole singles thing 500 00:38:50,094 --> 00:38:51,629 by doing a rocked-up version. 501 00:38:51,763 --> 00:38:53,164 So, it was a bit of a joke. 502 00:38:57,168 --> 00:38:58,970 And to get us on the way, we've got a band. 503 00:38:59,137 --> 00:39:00,672 They're by the name of Thin Lizzy. 504 00:39:00,805 --> 00:39:04,108 They don't drink whiskey by the glass, they drink it by the jar. 505 00:39:15,220 --> 00:39:16,454 And all of a sudden, 506 00:39:17,655 --> 00:39:18,990 we're on Top of the Pops. 507 00:39:21,492 --> 00:39:22,894 I was like, "Huh?" 508 00:39:31,502 --> 00:39:34,339 In those days, if you were on Top of the Pops, man, 509 00:39:34,606 --> 00:39:35,740 you had it made. 510 00:40:12,510 --> 00:40:14,812 Fu... My heart was... sorry. 511 00:40:15,046 --> 00:40:17,548 My heart was thumping out with excitement 512 00:40:17,682 --> 00:40:20,084 and, you know, I'm looking around. 513 00:40:30,929 --> 00:40:34,065 It is one of those songs that, even if you don't know it, 514 00:40:34,499 --> 00:40:37,168 it makes you happy, it makes you bounce, just gets you going. 515 00:40:40,338 --> 00:40:42,173 We thought "Whiskey in the Jar" was terrible. 516 00:40:43,541 --> 00:40:45,843 And so did everybody, really. 517 00:40:47,912 --> 00:40:51,416 It was so un-them when they had original music. 518 00:40:51,616 --> 00:40:53,217 But it was a breakthrough, So, hey. 519 00:40:53,751 --> 00:40:54,852 You can't knock it. 520 00:40:55,586 --> 00:40:56,821 But anyway, that took off. 521 00:40:57,989 --> 00:41:02,260 And, you know, he probably spent the rest of his life 522 00:41:02,860 --> 00:41:04,028 trying not to play it. 523 00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:06,764 It was opening doors 524 00:41:06,931 --> 00:41:10,702 that had been firmly bolted and padlocked before that. 525 00:41:10,902 --> 00:41:12,670 "Whiskey in the Jar” 526 00:41:12,804 --> 00:41:13,871 "Whiskey in the Jar” 527 00:41:14,005 --> 00:41:15,473 "Whiskey in the Jar” 528 00:41:15,606 --> 00:41:18,309 Denmark, Sweden, Holland, Germany, 529 00:41:18,509 --> 00:41:19,844 a little bit in France, 530 00:41:20,011 --> 00:41:22,380 we just played ceaselessly, 531 00:41:22,747 --> 00:41:25,817 week after week after week after week after week. 532 00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:33,324 I was slowly cracking up. 533 00:41:34,659 --> 00:41:37,495 Here I am, in a band that I was so proud of. 534 00:41:38,062 --> 00:41:40,665 And we had to mime on all these TV shows. 535 00:41:41,032 --> 00:41:43,668 So, you start wondering why you're doing it. 536 00:41:45,069 --> 00:41:48,306 I started getting very drunk because all I'm doing is miming. 537 00:41:50,975 --> 00:41:54,145 Apart from all this, my personal life was going to shit. 538 00:41:56,948 --> 00:41:59,450 The whole thing started slowly crumbling to a halt. 539 00:42:12,330 --> 00:42:15,166 Out on stage that night I was, like... 540 00:42:16,267 --> 00:42:17,902 I shouldn't have been on stage. 541 00:42:18,703 --> 00:42:20,071 I looked out in the audience 542 00:42:20,204 --> 00:42:22,507 and people looking at me trying to play the guitar 543 00:42:22,673 --> 00:42:24,909 which was impossible at that point in time. 544 00:42:25,309 --> 00:42:28,112 And this voice just said, "You've gotta get out." 545 00:42:29,547 --> 00:42:30,748 And before I knew it, 546 00:42:32,283 --> 00:42:34,652 I got my guitar and I threw it up in the air 547 00:42:36,854 --> 00:42:40,625 and it's weird 'cause you remember that moment. 548 00:42:43,094 --> 00:42:44,462 Here it comes. 549 00:42:46,297 --> 00:42:48,266 Smack into the stage. 550 00:42:51,602 --> 00:42:52,703 That was it. 551 00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:54,272 The end of me and Lizzy. 552 00:42:54,739 --> 00:42:55,773 It was over. 553 00:43:08,753 --> 00:43:11,923 You have a reset in the spring of 1974. 554 00:43:12,190 --> 00:43:13,591 And it starts all over again. 555 00:43:20,898 --> 00:43:22,733 Being in a band is just like being in life. 556 00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:25,336 Things don't look like you're ever gonna be able to get out 557 00:43:25,536 --> 00:43:27,271 of that black hole and all of a sudden 558 00:43:27,472 --> 00:43:28,673 bang, you're out of the black hole 559 00:43:28,806 --> 00:43:31,209 and you're off on a new golden run, if you will. 560 00:43:32,009 --> 00:43:34,212 The management said it would be worth our while 561 00:43:34,378 --> 00:43:37,548 fo keep the name and to try and find replacements. 562 00:43:37,882 --> 00:43:39,617 We started from scratch, 563 00:43:39,784 --> 00:43:42,687 we started playing all the small venues and building it up. 564 00:43:45,089 --> 00:43:48,059 We get to this first show and there was literally 565 00:43:48,593 --> 00:43:51,229 more bouncers than there were paying customers. 566 00:43:52,263 --> 00:43:54,565 "One, two, three, four, vaaanngg," the kids say, 567 00:43:54,732 --> 00:43:57,001 and Phil starts jumping all over the place. 568 00:43:57,468 --> 00:43:59,504 Brian Robertson's going crazy on my right 569 00:43:59,670 --> 00:44:01,939 and Downey's getting a lot more animated, 570 00:44:02,106 --> 00:44:03,541 I'm going, "What the fuck, man?" 571 00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:07,178 Phil kept looking over his shoulder at me. 572 00:44:07,445 --> 00:44:10,014 "Get... Come on!" I'm going... 573 00:44:10,481 --> 00:44:11,782 "Get... Get..." 574 00:44:12,350 --> 00:44:14,185 He stopped playing the bass, walked over, 575 00:44:14,352 --> 00:44:16,721 grabbed me by the collar, dragged me over the front 576 00:44:16,888 --> 00:44:19,590 and goes, "Bang. Don't fuckin' move from there." 577 00:44:20,892 --> 00:44:21,726 "OK." 578 00:44:22,593 --> 00:44:24,562 Going from a three-piece to a four-piece, 579 00:44:24,729 --> 00:44:27,031 things did change because they naturally do. 580 00:44:27,298 --> 00:44:29,901 But it wasn't a change for the worse, it was just a change. 581 00:44:30,468 --> 00:44:32,737 This is it. Year zero begins now. 582 00:44:33,171 --> 00:44:35,573 Let's sweep away the old and let's see what we can do. 583 00:44:40,978 --> 00:44:44,048 When we get into the studio, the producer kept going, 584 00:44:44,215 --> 00:44:47,485 "Yeah, can you just turn that down a little bit? Yeah." 585 00:44:47,652 --> 00:44:50,121 "Yeah, just turn it down a little more." 586 00:44:50,454 --> 00:44:51,589 "Uh, OK." 587 00:44:52,657 --> 00:44:54,659 You know, I call it our cocktail album. 588 00:44:55,493 --> 00:44:57,528 "I say, would you like a highball? 589 00:44:58,095 --> 00:44:59,830 Put on that Thin Lizzy album." 590 00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:37,301 Anyway, we digress. 591 00:45:46,811 --> 00:45:48,212 Thin Lizzy never had 592 00:45:48,379 --> 00:45:52,149 a completely consistent recording sound. 593 00:45:54,085 --> 00:45:55,653 It started with that first album 594 00:45:55,820 --> 00:45:58,589 and it was the same attitude to the last album. 595 00:45:58,723 --> 00:46:00,224 We wrote what we wrote 596 00:46:00,391 --> 00:46:02,627 and it's gonna come out as it's gonna come out. 597 00:46:07,231 --> 00:46:08,733 There was the possibility here 598 00:46:08,899 --> 00:46:10,568 of doing something unique 599 00:46:10,735 --> 00:46:13,704 by combining the talents of two complementary 600 00:46:13,871 --> 00:46:15,873 but distinctive guitar players. 601 00:46:20,344 --> 00:46:22,046 The harmony guitar thing. 602 00:46:24,148 --> 00:46:26,751 It was like a mistake that happened in the studio. 603 00:46:27,585 --> 00:46:31,055 Brian had gone out just to record a single line. 604 00:46:31,722 --> 00:46:35,426 And the engineer had left this echo on. 605 00:46:36,127 --> 00:46:38,029 So, when it fed back on itself, 606 00:46:38,296 --> 00:46:39,864 it fed back in harmony. 607 00:46:40,698 --> 00:46:42,533 And, we came back into the studio, 608 00:46:42,767 --> 00:46:44,135 "Yeah, it sounds pretty cool." 609 00:46:44,468 --> 00:46:47,171 After a while, it just became this natural thing. 610 00:46:47,571 --> 00:46:49,874 Twin harmony Thin Lizzy sound. 611 00:46:51,942 --> 00:46:54,211 So, for the first number, 612 00:46:54,445 --> 00:46:56,947 can the people in the front row stay a bit back? 613 00:46:57,214 --> 00:46:59,850 And we'll let the show commence. Here we go. 614 00:47:00,451 --> 00:47:01,986 Two, three, four! 615 00:47:03,321 --> 00:47:04,722 By that stage, 616 00:47:04,889 --> 00:47:09,260 Philip had developed the confidence as a frontman 617 00:47:09,894 --> 00:47:13,264 to step out and establish himself 618 00:47:13,497 --> 00:47:16,467 as the focal point while also being part of 619 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,502 that rock and roll gang. 620 00:47:20,004 --> 00:47:22,006 His image was everything at that point. 621 00:47:22,306 --> 00:47:23,341 Everything. 622 00:47:23,541 --> 00:47:24,809 I could be in and out of the bathroom 623 00:47:24,975 --> 00:47:26,577 and all the rest of it in record time, 624 00:47:26,744 --> 00:47:29,814 and he'd still be deciding what scarf went with the ouffit. 625 00:47:30,014 --> 00:47:33,184 You'll never see a bad photo of Phil Lynott. Damn! 626 00:47:33,751 --> 00:47:36,153 That guy could put on anything and look great, 627 00:47:36,287 --> 00:47:37,922 then he'd go, "Here, you try it on." 628 00:47:38,089 --> 00:47:40,491 You try it on, look in the mirror, and you look like a clown. 629 00:47:41,025 --> 00:47:42,693 Over the years, Lizzy did daft things 630 00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:44,662 like the cover of the "Fighting" album. 631 00:47:44,829 --> 00:47:47,865 And there was all sorts of cartoon posing. 632 00:47:48,499 --> 00:47:52,370 We are anything but hard-looking men in this photograph. 633 00:47:52,570 --> 00:47:53,604 Come on! 634 00:47:55,539 --> 00:47:57,808 We brought in a make-up artist to make it look like 635 00:47:57,975 --> 00:48:00,544 we'd just been in a really ass-kicking gang war. 636 00:48:00,911 --> 00:48:03,981 And Phil got a little bit of blood down here. 637 00:48:04,281 --> 00:48:07,251 Robertson was, like, bit of a shiner there. 638 00:48:07,451 --> 00:48:09,153 I said, "Oh, man, I want... 639 00:48:09,553 --> 00:48:11,856 Make it look like my nose has just been ripped off 640 00:48:12,022 --> 00:48:13,290 and a huge hunk of flesh here 641 00:48:13,491 --> 00:48:16,327 and I want blood everywhere coming down." 642 00:48:16,527 --> 00:48:17,928 Phil's going, "No, no, no." 643 00:48:19,530 --> 00:48:20,664 This has gotta be cool. 644 00:48:20,831 --> 00:48:23,067 We don't wanna look like we got our arses kicked. 645 00:48:24,535 --> 00:48:26,904 We've gotta make sure it looks like we won the fight. 646 00:48:27,905 --> 00:48:31,208 We win! We're the winners, man. We kicked their arse. 647 00:49:19,056 --> 00:49:20,791 The problem about going on about Philo 648 00:49:20,925 --> 00:49:23,294 is that sometimes you miss just how good he was. 649 00:49:23,894 --> 00:49:25,329 How good a bass player he was. 650 00:49:25,629 --> 00:49:26,964 How good with words he was. 651 00:49:27,898 --> 00:49:30,267 And how good a singer he was, you know. 652 00:49:30,734 --> 00:49:33,971 I mean, he delivered those songs with... 653 00:49:37,208 --> 00:49:38,709 in a way that you believed him. 654 00:49:42,847 --> 00:49:45,216 Two, three, four! 655 00:50:00,965 --> 00:50:03,801 At this point, we had our own little flat and it was lovely. 656 00:50:04,201 --> 00:50:06,470 That was probably the happiest time. 657 00:50:06,604 --> 00:50:08,606 The honeymoon love story bit, you know. 658 00:50:08,772 --> 00:50:12,610 And then from there, it was probably a car crash waiting to happen. 659 00:51:07,164 --> 00:51:08,732 Towards the end, I realised 660 00:51:08,899 --> 00:51:11,068 that this is just the most ludicrous situation. 661 00:51:13,404 --> 00:51:14,538 I was very naive. 662 00:51:15,205 --> 00:51:18,642 But I had this notion that all he needed was somebody to be true. 663 00:51:19,543 --> 00:51:21,545 To prove that you could trust people. 664 00:51:22,813 --> 00:51:24,381 Take me out and shoot me, honestly. 665 00:51:28,752 --> 00:51:30,888 The periods of being away got longer and longer 666 00:51:31,221 --> 00:51:33,290 and then I get the phone calls. 667 00:51:34,258 --> 00:51:35,893 And his jealousy started. 668 00:51:37,461 --> 00:51:39,730 He was feeling bad about his behaviour 669 00:51:39,964 --> 00:51:42,366 and he had to dump it on somebody else. 670 00:51:46,704 --> 00:51:48,272 It was attack as a form of defence. 671 00:51:54,511 --> 00:51:55,446 Brian. 672 00:51:58,215 --> 00:52:01,619 I had never once betrayed him in any shape or fashion 673 00:52:01,819 --> 00:52:03,053 in six years. 674 00:52:05,422 --> 00:52:07,925 I did love him and I believe he did love me. 675 00:52:09,226 --> 00:52:11,495 I always believe that it was his insecurities. 676 00:52:11,762 --> 00:52:15,132 He was continually waiting for life to be torn apart 677 00:52:15,299 --> 00:52:16,900 or to be betrayed. 678 00:53:17,227 --> 00:53:19,863 It is the ultimate form of connection. 679 00:53:21,298 --> 00:53:24,334 He's speaking like he knows this, this isn't just a story. 680 00:53:26,136 --> 00:53:29,673 He'd bring you to a place and you would stop judgement right then. 681 00:53:32,109 --> 00:53:36,447 The part that I identified with Phil was his darkness. 682 00:53:39,083 --> 00:53:41,785 You find a place to get what you need out. 683 00:53:43,620 --> 00:53:46,990 I always like the anti-hero, I always thought that was very important. 684 00:53:47,124 --> 00:53:49,693 The clean-cut always gave me a chill. 685 00:53:50,060 --> 00:53:53,130 I much prefer my heroes fo be a little human. 686 00:53:58,368 --> 00:54:02,072 Jailbreak! Jailbreak! Jailbreak! 687 00:54:02,973 --> 00:54:05,609 The "Nightlife" album didn't sell anything! 688 00:54:06,043 --> 00:54:08,145 The "Fighting" album didn't sell anything! 689 00:54:09,646 --> 00:54:11,849 It has to hit on the third album 690 00:54:12,015 --> 00:54:14,818 or you're warming up the car and you're leaving the building. 691 00:54:16,220 --> 00:54:17,221 "What?" 692 00:54:17,721 --> 00:54:18,822 So, the pressure's on. 693 00:54:19,723 --> 00:54:21,825 And we gave it one hell of a shot 694 00:54:21,992 --> 00:54:23,427 on the writing side of it. 695 00:54:25,696 --> 00:54:28,065 Backstage, Louisville, Kentucky. 696 00:54:28,565 --> 00:54:31,101 Chris O'Donnell, our manager, walks in and says, "Well, boys, 697 00:54:31,935 --> 00:54:34,071 looks like we got a hit record on our hands." 698 00:54:34,204 --> 00:54:35,906 We all went, "What song?" 699 00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:37,908 He goes, "It's "The Boys are Back in Town'." 700 00:54:38,041 --> 00:54:39,409 We're like, "Really?" 701 00:54:42,246 --> 00:54:44,081 Even after we finished the song, 702 00:54:44,248 --> 00:54:47,284 we still didn't think of this as single material. 703 00:54:47,885 --> 00:54:48,986 Of course, I do now. 704 00:54:49,286 --> 00:54:50,988 It's the most fabulous song ever. 705 00:55:24,888 --> 00:55:26,690 That was like a bolt of lightning. 706 00:55:26,924 --> 00:55:28,025 What is that? 707 00:55:28,992 --> 00:55:31,261 It's like the ultimate lads anthem. 708 00:55:32,529 --> 00:55:33,697 It is timeless. 709 00:55:33,931 --> 00:55:36,667 Every generation relates to that song. 710 00:55:37,267 --> 00:55:39,269 One of the great rock songs of all time. 711 00:56:04,261 --> 00:56:05,262 It was cinematic. 712 00:56:05,662 --> 00:56:06,697 And that was Philip. 713 00:56:06,864 --> 00:56:08,131 He saw things as a movie, 714 00:56:08,298 --> 00:56:11,969 complete with settings and lights, wardrobe and everything. 715 00:56:12,769 --> 00:56:14,137 He could paint that picture. 716 00:56:19,509 --> 00:56:23,647 And finally, we had a bona fide hit record in America, 717 00:56:23,881 --> 00:56:26,216 which made life so much easier. 718 00:56:31,121 --> 00:56:33,323 I really doubt if Phil just went... 719 00:56:34,024 --> 00:56:36,059 "I'm gonna write "The Boys are Back in Town' today. 720 00:56:36,226 --> 00:56:38,228 It's gonna be a belter, it's gonna make us massive." 721 00:56:38,362 --> 00:56:39,496 He didn't do that. 722 00:56:39,963 --> 00:56:41,732 I wrote by hook or by crook, 723 00:56:41,899 --> 00:56:44,001 like, there can come many a good song 724 00:56:44,167 --> 00:56:47,504 in the toilet in the bath, or, you know. 725 00:56:47,738 --> 00:56:50,173 At one stage, it was called "GI Joe is Back” 726 00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:53,110 [t took me ages just to think of the boys' though. 727 00:56:53,243 --> 00:56:55,045 I was thinking the kids the lads' 728 00:56:55,312 --> 00:56:58,682 Somebody said ‘the boys' and I went, "That's it, 'The boys are back"." 729 00:56:58,849 --> 00:57:01,018 You just change a word. It made the song. 730 00:57:07,791 --> 00:57:09,960 All these other bands, you know, big bands, 731 00:57:10,127 --> 00:57:13,463 they wanted us on their tour 'cause now we could sell tickets. 732 00:57:14,031 --> 00:57:16,366 That's what a big hit record will do for you. 733 00:57:16,767 --> 00:57:19,069 You can actually feel and see the climb. 734 00:57:19,803 --> 00:57:22,072 It just takes one, and you're off and running. 735 00:57:22,205 --> 00:57:23,340 You're out of the blocks. 736 00:57:24,741 --> 00:57:28,612 Philip was definitely tailoring the band towards an American audience. 737 00:57:29,212 --> 00:57:31,615 It's all Americanisms in the songs. 738 00:57:32,783 --> 00:57:35,585 Phil grew up on American television. 739 00:57:35,953 --> 00:57:37,788 It always looked really sunny all the time 740 00:57:37,921 --> 00:57:40,857 and palm trees and girls walking around in bikinis 741 00:57:41,024 --> 00:57:42,693 and all the flash cars. 742 00:57:43,060 --> 00:57:44,528 It looks like paradise. 743 00:57:45,095 --> 00:57:47,097 And Phil was a romantic anyway. 744 00:58:09,486 --> 00:58:11,088 I think America was everything 745 00:58:11,254 --> 00:58:12,789 he was expecting it to be. 746 00:58:12,923 --> 00:58:16,093 He fell in love with the whole idea of America. 747 00:58:16,626 --> 00:58:19,062 He could not get enough of touring in America. 748 00:58:19,329 --> 00:58:22,699 "I want to experience this, I want to taste it, I want to feel it." 749 00:58:23,066 --> 00:58:24,101 And, boy, did he! 750 00:59:10,580 --> 00:59:12,816 This was our time to break America. 751 00:59:13,650 --> 00:59:15,218 What could go wrong, right? 752 00:59:17,054 --> 00:59:20,123 He had real bad luck here in America ‘cause he got hepatitis. 753 00:59:20,457 --> 00:59:23,860 And they had to cancel that first tour, The Boys are Back in Town Tour. 754 00:59:27,564 --> 00:59:31,401 That was it, the tour was over with. Just in a blink of an eye. 755 00:59:39,342 --> 00:59:42,045 In August, he was in the studio recording a new album. 756 00:59:42,379 --> 00:59:44,381 And, if you take into account "Jailbreak", 757 00:59:44,581 --> 00:59:46,883 then "Johnny the Fox" and "Bad Reputation”, 758 00:59:47,451 --> 00:59:48,852 you've three albums out 759 00:59:49,052 --> 00:59:51,621 within a period, roughly, of fourteen months. 760 00:59:58,228 --> 01:00:01,531 The confidence that would've given Phil would've been immense. 761 01:00:27,657 --> 01:00:31,761 They now knew they were really good. 762 01:00:32,496 --> 01:00:34,898 And every time they stepped up on stage, 763 01:00:35,065 --> 01:00:38,568 they were confident that the audience was theirs for the taking. 764 01:00:40,537 --> 01:00:42,272 I could see these flashy lights. 765 01:00:42,606 --> 01:00:45,175 And a big orange light going... 766 01:00:45,342 --> 01:00:46,376 And then there was... 767 01:00:49,246 --> 01:00:52,349 And then the big spotlight, and he came out, 768 01:00:52,616 --> 01:00:55,418 "Tonight there's going to be a jailbreak". 769 01:00:55,585 --> 01:00:59,256 And, oh, Jesus, the hair on my neck stood up! 770 01:00:59,623 --> 01:01:00,457 Gol 771 01:01:03,226 --> 01:01:04,528 Are you out there? 772 01:01:07,464 --> 01:01:09,699 What always struck me about "Jailbreak" was, 773 01:01:10,066 --> 01:01:13,270 "Tonight there's gonna be a jailbreak somewhere in the town". 774 01:01:14,271 --> 01:01:15,872 Like the jail, perhaps? 775 01:01:17,007 --> 01:01:18,041 I mean, that's... 776 01:01:19,176 --> 01:01:21,111 And, for years, I never noticed that. 777 01:01:21,945 --> 01:01:23,046 It didn't matter. 778 01:01:23,647 --> 01:01:26,449 That's a high energy song just for a certain point in the gig. 779 01:01:26,616 --> 01:01:27,984 It's gonna lift everything up. 780 01:01:44,701 --> 01:01:46,069 I gotta tell you one story: 781 01:01:46,203 --> 01:01:48,705 we were playing the Santa Monica Civic in Los Angeles 782 01:01:48,872 --> 01:01:50,941 and walked out, hit the first chord. 783 01:01:52,142 --> 01:01:55,212 The audience up and there's like a sea of hands 784 01:01:55,445 --> 01:01:57,814 and I'm shaking a few hands and I look down. 785 01:01:57,981 --> 01:01:59,816 And who do I see? My mum. 786 01:02:01,251 --> 01:02:03,053 I'm going, "Mum, what are you doing?" 787 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,296 Philip was always the consummate performer. 788 01:02:46,496 --> 01:02:48,331 He was brilliant to watch. 789 01:02:49,032 --> 01:02:51,801 Scott and Brian could've been running up and down the stage, 790 01:02:51,968 --> 01:02:54,804 jumping on monitors and doing pointing, 791 01:02:54,971 --> 01:02:56,506 doing all of this stuff, 792 01:02:57,340 --> 01:03:00,577 but Philip was the one who grabbed your attention 793 01:03:00,810 --> 01:03:02,979 ‘cause he demanded your attention. 794 01:03:05,682 --> 01:03:08,785 Everything moved on its axis a little bit when you discovered Philip. 795 01:03:09,352 --> 01:03:10,920 It was life-changing in a good way. 796 01:03:13,523 --> 01:03:16,726 I'd gone in there in a brown cardigan and I'd come out in a leather jacket. 797 01:03:18,228 --> 01:03:20,897 How could this guy be Irish? How could he be from Crumlin? 798 01:03:21,498 --> 01:03:23,233 There are new possibilities here now. 799 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,468 Things aren't as dull as they seem. 800 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,442 That was their prime, they rocked so hard. 801 01:03:32,942 --> 01:03:35,412 Thin Lizzy in their prime were probably the best hard rock band 802 01:03:35,578 --> 01:03:37,347 I've ever seen in my life, bar none. 803 01:03:48,658 --> 01:03:49,492 Thank you! 804 01:03:50,226 --> 01:03:53,563 It seemed that everything we put out was a hit. 805 01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:58,935 Phil just could... There's another hit. 806 01:03:59,102 --> 01:04:00,670 There's another hit. Bastard. 807 01:04:04,441 --> 01:04:05,442 Sorry. 808 01:04:52,021 --> 01:04:53,923 I got a phone call from Philip. 809 01:04:54,124 --> 01:04:56,693 He goes, "I'm in a recording studio in London. 810 01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:58,094 I'm really busy. 811 01:04:58,294 --> 01:05:00,897 If ever I needed your help, I need it now." 812 01:05:01,564 --> 01:05:04,501 And I said, "Well, fine, yeah, what's up?" 813 01:05:04,968 --> 01:05:08,104 And he said, "l have a new girlfriend called Caroline. 814 01:05:08,271 --> 01:05:11,174 And things are really taking off over here. 815 01:05:11,441 --> 01:05:13,710 I can't think of anyone else who I'd ask, only you." 816 01:05:15,812 --> 01:05:19,048 So, I was more or less on the next plane, as they say. 817 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,128 I was eighteen. 818 01:05:34,164 --> 01:05:37,967 I met Philip because I was working for Tony Brainsby PR 819 01:05:38,201 --> 01:05:40,770 and Thin Lizzy were a part of the roster of clients. 820 01:05:42,872 --> 01:05:46,309 The first encounter I had with him was over the phone. 821 01:05:46,810 --> 01:05:50,146 And he had an absolutely beautiful, 822 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,081 deep, soft-spoken voice. 823 01:05:53,283 --> 01:05:56,719 He always sounded like he was in bed when he was talking to you, 824 01:05:56,886 --> 01:05:59,055 which I later discovered he generally was. 825 01:06:00,924 --> 01:06:02,592 He had a great sense of humour. 826 01:06:03,092 --> 01:06:06,763 He liked to tease you with a mixture of innuendo 827 01:06:06,930 --> 01:06:08,364 and misunderstanding. 828 01:06:08,631 --> 01:06:12,569 And then, when you were all confused, 829 01:06:12,735 --> 01:06:14,737 he would laugh, 830 01:06:14,904 --> 01:06:18,341 and it was just delightful. 831 01:06:19,909 --> 01:06:22,045 So, I was already partly in love with him 832 01:06:22,212 --> 01:06:23,546 before I even met him. 833 01:06:27,584 --> 01:06:30,286 I went to see them perform at Hammersmith Odeon 834 01:06:30,820 --> 01:06:36,826 and, wow, oh my God, he was just mind-blowing. 835 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,661 I was just... Yeah. 836 01:06:39,529 --> 01:06:40,630 Hooked. 837 01:06:42,632 --> 01:06:46,503 I was quite wild and we just became a pair. 838 01:06:46,669 --> 01:06:48,505 There were no conversations about it, 839 01:06:48,671 --> 01:06:51,341 I just kind of got absorbed into his life. 840 01:06:52,709 --> 01:06:54,577 The life of a working musician. 841 01:07:03,786 --> 01:07:06,089 Once you plug into an amplifier, 842 01:07:06,456 --> 01:07:08,391 it definitely gives you power. 843 01:07:08,691 --> 01:07:11,928 There's no point in having a fast car and not driving it fast, 844 01:07:12,095 --> 01:07:15,732 and there's no point in having a loud amplifier and not turning it up. 845 01:07:54,070 --> 01:07:55,905 All of a sudden, "Live and Dangerous", 846 01:07:56,072 --> 01:07:58,241 one of the great live albums of all time, 847 01:07:58,775 --> 01:08:00,310 they were on fire. 848 01:08:05,548 --> 01:08:08,284 The world-renowned Tony Visconti, record producer, 849 01:08:08,484 --> 01:08:10,386 made the record sound like you were sitting 850 01:08:10,587 --> 01:08:12,055 in the best seat in the house. 851 01:08:12,221 --> 01:08:15,625 One of the things we did was enhance the audience. 852 01:08:16,326 --> 01:08:19,562 And we'd made basically a huge tape loop of audience. 853 01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:22,732 But it was several audiences layered on top of each other. 854 01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:26,970 And this tape literally going around mic stands 855 01:08:27,136 --> 01:08:28,504 right the way round the room. 856 01:08:30,540 --> 01:08:32,809 We took the Lizzy audiences, and, 857 01:08:34,377 --> 01:08:37,213 to be honest, some of David Bowie's "Philadelphia" audience, 858 01:08:37,413 --> 01:08:40,383 and put it all together to make the biggest audience in the world. 859 01:08:41,050 --> 01:08:42,785 And when you wanted some audience, 860 01:08:42,952 --> 01:08:47,457 you could at any time just push these two faders up and it's like: Whoa! 861 01:08:49,025 --> 01:08:50,693 And that sounds like an audience. 862 01:08:56,332 --> 01:08:58,067 He was actually a shy man. 863 01:08:58,334 --> 01:09:00,303 But when he was performing, 864 01:09:00,870 --> 01:09:02,505 all of that shyness was gone. 865 01:09:03,940 --> 01:09:06,209 He really did walk down the road with swagger. 866 01:09:12,015 --> 01:09:15,251 A lot of my job was getting them out of trouble 867 01:09:15,685 --> 01:09:17,086 and it was also pretty normal 868 01:09:17,253 --> 01:09:20,490 because if you worked with rock stars in that era, 869 01:09:21,024 --> 01:09:23,459 everybody was out there drinking, partying, 870 01:09:23,626 --> 01:09:25,828 and Thin Lizzy had that reputation. 871 01:09:26,462 --> 01:09:28,898 Guys in a posse together, getting up to no good, 872 01:09:29,065 --> 01:09:30,299 and celebrating it. 873 01:09:30,566 --> 01:09:32,168 And that's what Philip and the guys, 874 01:09:32,368 --> 01:09:35,705 particularly Philip, thought his job was. 875 01:09:38,908 --> 01:09:43,279 He was a man of many facets and many moods. 876 01:09:44,247 --> 01:09:45,982 There was the friend, 877 01:09:46,649 --> 01:09:47,817 the businessman, 878 01:09:48,451 --> 01:09:49,652 the performer, 879 01:09:50,186 --> 01:09:54,724 that muscle was always operating. 880 01:09:57,326 --> 01:09:59,629 He kept people on their toes as well as himself. 881 01:10:00,830 --> 01:10:02,732 Prolific and creative, 882 01:10:02,899 --> 01:10:05,802 and that was brilliant when it was all working. 883 01:10:06,135 --> 01:10:08,071 Yeah, just take it from the bridge, man. 884 01:10:08,871 --> 01:10:11,808 Everything from top to bottom was scrutinised. 885 01:10:12,575 --> 01:10:15,144 It wasn't just Phil the rock star, "Yeah, party!" 886 01:10:16,012 --> 01:10:17,780 People had that impression of him. 887 01:10:18,748 --> 01:10:21,184 But no, he was a very hard grafter. 888 01:10:26,522 --> 01:10:28,524 The most amazing thing about Phil Lynott is 889 01:10:28,691 --> 01:10:29,959 I've never met anyone 890 01:10:30,326 --> 01:10:31,761 who could party that hard, 891 01:10:32,061 --> 01:10:34,564 and at the same time never ever gave an inch 892 01:10:34,731 --> 01:10:35,932 as far as quality and work. 893 01:10:36,766 --> 01:10:38,935 You weren't around him if you weren't working. 894 01:10:40,903 --> 01:10:42,071 He was very canny. 895 01:10:42,538 --> 01:10:44,006 And he had a business head on him. 896 01:10:44,540 --> 01:10:46,576 He was clever, he could suss things out, 897 01:10:46,743 --> 01:10:49,712 he would keep quiet on stuff but it would be read and noted. 898 01:10:51,614 --> 01:10:52,982 He knew what he wanted. 899 01:10:53,649 --> 01:10:55,852 Philip controlled every aspect of Lizzy, 900 01:10:56,018 --> 01:10:57,854 from the music to their look, 901 01:10:58,020 --> 01:11:00,590 to the way they were perceived as a band. 902 01:11:02,492 --> 01:11:03,760 It's a dumb phrase 903 01:11:03,926 --> 01:11:06,229 but I guess he was the emotional cheerleader. 904 01:11:10,333 --> 01:11:13,002 And then all the guitarist changing went on. 905 01:11:13,503 --> 01:11:16,105 It was like one big long soap opera 906 01:11:16,472 --> 01:11:18,741 with guys falling in and out and Gary Moore coming in 907 01:11:18,908 --> 01:11:20,343 to replace Brian Robertson. 908 01:11:20,743 --> 01:11:24,080 Gary was in, Gary was out. Gary was in, Gary was out. 909 01:11:24,947 --> 01:11:27,750 But, for the most part, we were living the life. 910 01:11:28,251 --> 01:11:30,720 One of the big guns, no doubt about that. 911 01:11:32,522 --> 01:11:34,190 We were on top of the world. 912 01:11:35,491 --> 01:11:36,659 There's nothing like it. 913 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,896 Every album we brought out was instantly gold 914 01:11:40,062 --> 01:11:41,430 and then it would go platinum. 915 01:11:42,465 --> 01:11:43,699 Life was good. 916 01:11:43,933 --> 01:11:45,668 How could you not have fun with that, right? 917 01:12:03,019 --> 01:12:03,853 Thank you! 918 01:12:06,389 --> 01:12:08,925 If I don't get back fo Dublin within three months, 919 01:12:09,258 --> 01:12:11,160 I really suffer from homesickness. 920 01:12:13,296 --> 01:12:15,298 Ireland was very significant to him. 921 01:12:15,731 --> 01:12:19,302 He was a proud Irishman, he was a proud Dubliner, 922 01:12:19,702 --> 01:12:23,239 and that really comes through, that came through in every show he did, 923 01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,342 it came through in all of his works. 924 01:12:45,761 --> 01:12:48,664 Phil was an Irishman. Period. 925 01:12:49,732 --> 01:12:52,602 Phil's almost more Irish than any other Irishman I ever met. 926 01:12:54,570 --> 01:12:56,138 We would go into a radio station, 927 01:12:56,305 --> 01:12:58,007 we're publicising this new album 928 01:12:58,174 --> 01:13:00,009 and some disc jockey 929 01:13:00,209 --> 01:13:05,982 inevitably would say something very dumb about Ireland 930 01:13:06,148 --> 01:13:08,584 or he was just naive, ignorant, right? 931 01:13:08,818 --> 01:13:12,622 He would say something and Phil would go, "Whoa! Hold on a second here." 932 01:13:12,788 --> 01:13:16,893 From that point on, the whole interview turned into an Irish lesson 933 01:13:17,059 --> 01:13:18,561 for this guy on air. 934 01:13:19,829 --> 01:13:21,564 Coming from England. The Stones... 935 01:13:21,731 --> 01:13:23,866 -Ireland. Ireland. -Or Ireland. 936 01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:25,067 Irish. 937 01:13:25,868 --> 01:13:28,070 Ah, yes, you sound like a British person. 938 01:13:28,204 --> 01:13:30,206 No, I'm just teasing. 939 01:13:30,373 --> 01:13:32,642 Irish. I'm Irish, you've got to get that right. 940 01:13:32,808 --> 01:13:34,176 Well, Great Britain, British. 941 01:13:34,343 --> 01:13:36,946 No. Irish, Republic of Ireland. 942 01:13:37,079 --> 01:13:39,248 - My goodness. - There you go. 943 01:13:39,582 --> 01:13:40,783 Very important. 944 01:13:44,620 --> 01:13:45,721 Within a year, 945 01:13:46,289 --> 01:13:47,924 it was all change. 946 01:13:48,691 --> 01:13:50,293 And I was a mum. 947 01:13:55,031 --> 01:13:56,933 He wanted his children born in Ireland. 948 01:13:57,300 --> 01:13:58,601 That's how Irish he was. 949 01:14:00,069 --> 01:14:01,404 Caroline had to come home 950 01:14:01,570 --> 01:14:03,306 and have the children in Holles Street. 951 01:14:08,945 --> 01:14:12,248 He'd decided that Sarah was going to be born in Dublin 952 01:14:12,682 --> 01:14:13,849 without telling me. 953 01:14:17,853 --> 01:14:19,655 Seemed like rather a nice adventure. 954 01:14:28,898 --> 01:14:31,167 When Philip and Caroline got married 955 01:14:31,334 --> 01:14:32,768 and the kids came along, 956 01:14:33,002 --> 01:14:34,370 there were lovely times. 957 01:14:35,905 --> 01:14:37,173 There were happy times. 958 01:14:46,882 --> 01:14:50,019 I remember being so nervous 959 01:14:50,219 --> 01:14:52,088 the priest literally shook me 960 01:14:52,254 --> 01:14:54,290 and said, "Pull yourself together, woman!" 961 01:14:57,159 --> 01:15:01,130 Philip laughed quite a lot of the way through the ceremony, 962 01:15:01,297 --> 01:15:02,665 which I hope was joy. 963 01:15:03,299 --> 01:15:05,301 There is a photograph that you see of me, like, 964 01:15:05,501 --> 01:15:07,403 giving him the evil eye. 965 01:15:09,605 --> 01:15:12,375 He was literally like the shoulders were starting to heave. 966 01:15:12,575 --> 01:15:14,110 I was like, "Behave yourself!" 967 01:15:18,147 --> 01:15:19,849 I carried Sarah during the ceremony. 968 01:15:20,016 --> 01:15:21,283 She was a sweetheart. 969 01:15:22,251 --> 01:15:23,419 Very well behaved. 970 01:15:25,654 --> 01:15:29,458 It was very good fun, and the beginning of a new era. 971 01:15:31,927 --> 01:15:36,298 I just remember this room full of family and friends 972 01:15:36,499 --> 01:15:38,768 and he looked incredibly handsome. 973 01:15:39,268 --> 01:15:40,503 And I was very happy. 974 01:15:55,284 --> 01:15:57,019 It was absolute heaven. 975 01:15:58,654 --> 01:16:00,222 Heaven to raise children. 976 01:16:02,825 --> 01:16:04,026 It was just blissful. 977 01:16:06,862 --> 01:16:12,101 He was not a hands-on, nappy-changing sort of father. 978 01:16:12,868 --> 01:16:15,271 But he doted on his girls. 979 01:16:19,942 --> 01:16:22,311 The memories aren't necessarily tangible. 980 01:16:22,545 --> 01:16:26,048 The feeling is very much still the same 981 01:16:26,215 --> 01:16:29,351 of him being part of our lives. 982 01:16:31,220 --> 01:16:33,622 The best, because you could just go out the back gate 983 01:16:33,789 --> 01:16:35,825 and you're on the beach and you just were lost. 984 01:16:35,991 --> 01:16:38,227 And we'd be there for days. 985 01:16:39,328 --> 01:16:41,630 It's hard to describe, it felt happy. 986 01:16:42,364 --> 01:16:45,868 It's this blur of a warm childhood. 987 01:16:51,907 --> 01:16:53,776 He loved to play games with the girls. 988 01:16:53,976 --> 01:16:55,711 And he'd just get lost in the moment. 989 01:16:55,845 --> 01:16:57,146 It was brilliant. 990 01:16:58,948 --> 01:17:00,816 He had a very naughty sense of humour. 991 01:17:02,051 --> 01:17:04,587 That naughty little boy was definitely in there. 992 01:17:08,257 --> 01:17:10,860 Philip was somebody who was very enchanted 993 01:17:11,026 --> 01:17:12,862 with the magical side of life. 994 01:17:15,498 --> 01:17:18,734 Becoming a father has brought out emotions in me 995 01:17:18,901 --> 01:17:20,970 that I honestly aian't think I had. 996 01:17:21,303 --> 01:17:23,939 [t's amazing when you do get married and have children, 997 01:17:24,106 --> 01:17:26,175 how much passion it can bring out. 998 01:17:28,444 --> 01:17:30,446 What do poets write about? They write about love and death 999 01:17:30,613 --> 01:17:31,947 and everything in between. 1000 01:17:32,615 --> 01:17:34,450 And there was lots of love in his life. 1001 01:17:35,985 --> 01:17:38,854 I don't remember a lot of Philip sitting with me 1002 01:17:39,021 --> 01:17:42,057 and talking about the music that he was creating. 1003 01:17:42,391 --> 01:17:47,897 But I do remember that he brought the song "Sarah" to me 1004 01:17:48,063 --> 01:17:52,935 and it really was the first time that he almost wanted approval. 1005 01:17:53,869 --> 01:17:56,272 It was like, um... 1006 01:18:01,043 --> 01:18:02,044 a present. 1007 01:18:04,647 --> 01:18:05,981 A thank you present. 1008 01:18:56,765 --> 01:18:59,201 It's an amazing thing to have a song written about you. 1009 01:19:01,604 --> 01:19:02,738 To not have him around 1010 01:19:02,905 --> 01:19:05,307 to say the things that you want him to say to you, 1011 01:19:06,108 --> 01:19:09,245 to have that reassurance, that love, that support there. 1012 01:19:11,146 --> 01:19:12,681 He wrote everything in that song. 1013 01:19:12,848 --> 01:19:19,088 If I ever need to feel his love, it's in that song. 1014 01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:24,059 Obviously, there's many a time that I've listened to it 1015 01:19:24,226 --> 01:19:25,628 and it's broken me, 1016 01:19:25,761 --> 01:19:27,663 but there's many a time that I listen to it 1017 01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:33,569 and it just fills you with absolute love, basically. 1018 01:19:36,705 --> 01:19:38,741 We had a hit at the same time, on Top of the Pops. 1019 01:19:38,907 --> 01:19:42,244 And I noticed that Phil was a little bit uncomfortable 1020 01:19:42,444 --> 01:19:44,647 singing this song about his daughter. 1021 01:19:44,947 --> 01:19:46,615 He was a little bit exposed. 1022 01:19:47,182 --> 01:19:50,052 And I was watching him sing it, he must've seen me watching, 1023 01:19:50,219 --> 01:19:52,721 and he went like this, right in the middle of one of the lyrics. 1024 01:19:52,888 --> 01:19:55,424 And I went, "Oh, that's..." "I'm still Phil." 1025 01:19:56,292 --> 01:19:57,326 Don't look too deep. 1026 01:19:58,661 --> 01:19:59,695 Sweet. 1027 01:20:14,610 --> 01:20:16,345 He wrote the song "Cathleen" because I said, 1028 01:20:16,545 --> 01:20:18,047 "You're not gonna write a song for Sarah 1029 01:20:18,213 --> 01:20:19,682 and not write a song for Cathleen. 1030 01:20:19,848 --> 01:20:21,684 You're just not. That's not gonna happen." 1031 01:20:21,850 --> 01:20:24,453 Hold on, I thought he wrote that song because he loved me. 1032 01:20:24,653 --> 01:20:25,721 Thanks, Mum. 1033 01:20:57,419 --> 01:20:59,321 It feels very much about our family life, 1034 01:20:59,521 --> 01:21:01,190 not just about me, which is, 1035 01:21:01,323 --> 01:21:03,859 for somebody who doesn't have loads of memories 1036 01:21:04,026 --> 01:21:05,527 and was very young, 1037 01:21:06,128 --> 01:21:09,498 I feel it kind of provides me with a little snippet 1038 01:21:09,665 --> 01:21:14,303 of our family's life together that's just for me. 1039 01:21:19,007 --> 01:21:22,177 You remember something and it's like a tiny little moment. 1040 01:21:22,711 --> 01:21:26,248 If I try and think about it too much, it tends to fade out. 1041 01:21:30,853 --> 01:21:34,223 He always had the blue fade down on the car. 1042 01:21:35,657 --> 01:21:37,960 We could've been anywhere, we could've been in town, 1043 01:21:38,127 --> 01:21:39,328 we could've been in London. 1044 01:21:39,528 --> 01:21:43,599 It was more just I know that I felt small in the seat. 1045 01:21:44,299 --> 01:21:46,001 And him just looking round. 1046 01:21:49,338 --> 01:21:51,306 Just that 'now are you doing back there?" 1047 01:21:52,541 --> 01:21:54,309 And just going, "Yeah." 1048 01:22:03,819 --> 01:22:06,088 I wish I could remember more than that. 1049 01:22:06,688 --> 01:22:09,825 It's a snapshot almost, with a feeling. 1050 01:22:12,928 --> 01:22:14,096 It's just a glimmer. 1051 01:22:22,337 --> 01:22:24,940 They were finally primed to crack America. 1052 01:22:25,441 --> 01:22:28,710 But he had terrible problems on American tours. 1053 01:22:29,545 --> 01:22:31,747 Something always seemed to get in his way. 1054 01:22:32,748 --> 01:22:34,883 Three times, and fell down. 1055 01:23:21,697 --> 01:23:23,799 The impact of Gary Moore leaving 1056 01:23:23,966 --> 01:23:27,202 was so far-reaching it's mind-blowing because they were on tour 1057 01:23:27,402 --> 01:23:29,705 and the people that were promoting the gigs, man, 1058 01:23:30,005 --> 01:23:31,507 you do that, that's the end. 1059 01:23:32,007 --> 01:23:34,243 That was the end of Lizzy in the States. 1060 01:23:34,843 --> 01:23:37,646 It was another blow to his American dreams. 1061 01:23:38,380 --> 01:23:40,482 They never really got it right in America. 1062 01:23:40,782 --> 01:23:43,619 He never enjoyed the popular success he should have. 1063 01:23:47,256 --> 01:23:48,690 Luck is a big thing 1064 01:23:48,857 --> 01:23:51,059 and that hasn't been on our side in America. 1065 01:23:51,293 --> 01:23:53,629 But in so far as Thin Lizzy's career Is concerned, 1066 01:23:53,762 --> 01:23:56,532 we've been a very successful and a very lucky band. 1067 01:23:59,201 --> 01:24:01,537 When Gary quit mid-tour of America, 1068 01:24:02,070 --> 01:24:04,239 Philip didn't go, "Ah, here, I'm giving up." 1069 01:24:04,506 --> 01:24:07,175 He was a great spirit in that way, he never gave up. 1070 01:24:09,545 --> 01:24:12,047 We had some great players over on the right-hand side. 1071 01:24:12,648 --> 01:24:17,319 Brian Robertson, Gary Moore, Snowy White, John Sykes, 1072 01:24:17,986 --> 01:24:19,221 and then there's Midge. 1073 01:24:20,689 --> 01:24:22,624 It's a very odd chapter. 1074 01:24:23,458 --> 01:24:26,762 Why he asked me to be in the band, I will never know. 1075 01:24:26,929 --> 01:24:29,998 I'm not a killer whiz guitar player. 1076 01:24:30,365 --> 01:24:32,467 Which is what Lizzy were always known for. 1077 01:24:33,535 --> 01:24:36,338 I get the phone call from Philip who's in Arkansas, 1078 01:24:36,705 --> 01:24:38,807 who said, "We're on tour, Gary's out. 1079 01:24:38,974 --> 01:24:41,209 The band didn't turn up for a few of the shows. 1080 01:24:41,543 --> 01:24:43,111 Can you come out tomorrow?" 1081 01:24:44,046 --> 01:24:46,481 I had just enough time to pack my bag, 1082 01:24:46,782 --> 01:24:48,750 and I thought I'd learn the set on the plane. 1083 01:24:48,884 --> 01:24:50,285 And they flew me out on Concorde. 1084 01:24:58,527 --> 01:25:01,330 I'd never been to America, but I knew what America looked like 1085 01:25:01,763 --> 01:25:03,298 'cause I'd watched Starsky and Hutch. 1086 01:25:07,502 --> 01:25:09,304 I got dressed to go on stage. 1087 01:25:09,738 --> 01:25:11,773 Big shoulder pads, very '80s, 1088 01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:14,009 smart, you know, neckerchief. 1089 01:25:15,944 --> 01:25:19,081 And Scott said, "Oh, God." 1090 01:25:19,247 --> 01:25:21,216 That guy's got some brass balls, man. 1091 01:25:21,950 --> 01:25:23,652 All of a sudden, I'm on stage 1092 01:25:23,852 --> 01:25:26,388 with Phil Lynott leaning over and going, 1093 01:25:26,788 --> 01:25:29,791 "Hey, here we go." You think... 1094 01:25:57,986 --> 01:25:59,087 It was glamourous, 1095 01:25:59,254 --> 01:26:02,190 it was everything you'd expect a rock tour to be. 1096 01:26:02,491 --> 01:26:05,927 Girls a go-go, bottles of champagne in the dressing room. 1097 01:26:06,495 --> 01:26:07,863 It was the package. 1098 01:26:08,296 --> 01:26:11,933 Rolling across America with your band playing great music. 1099 01:26:12,100 --> 01:26:13,735 And all the trimmings. 1100 01:26:27,549 --> 01:26:29,418 Depression started to hit us. 1101 01:26:29,685 --> 01:26:31,620 Knowing all the work that we had done 1102 01:26:31,820 --> 01:26:34,856 and how hard we'd actually tried to really break America 1103 01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:36,925 and we just couldn't do it. 1104 01:26:37,325 --> 01:26:40,829 You can do things during that age 1105 01:26:40,962 --> 01:26:43,565 that you will never ever be able to do in your life again. 1106 01:26:43,999 --> 01:26:47,469 And you only know that when you get to 35. 1107 01:26:47,602 --> 01:26:50,238 You kind of know you can't get back 1108 01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:52,941 and channel that same energy again. 1109 01:26:54,042 --> 01:26:59,081 So, itis, to an extent, it is a Faustian pact. 1110 01:26:59,815 --> 01:27:04,319 But the wise man knows that it's a short contract. 1111 01:27:29,878 --> 01:27:31,580 Phil always liked to experiment 1112 01:27:31,747 --> 01:27:34,382 and saw the potential of using keyboards 1113 01:27:34,583 --> 01:27:36,218 as a part of the texture of Thin Lizzy. 1114 01:27:36,618 --> 01:27:38,787 We just hit it off straight away. 1115 01:27:39,221 --> 01:27:41,423 He asked me what team I supported, 1116 01:27:41,723 --> 01:27:42,924 I said United. 1117 01:27:43,558 --> 01:27:45,427 Then it just went from there. 1118 01:27:46,461 --> 01:27:48,530 Dream come true, I was just 18 as well. 1119 01:27:59,641 --> 01:28:02,944 Really, my life became centred in Dublin, 1120 01:28:03,578 --> 01:28:06,014 whilst Philip was mostly in London. 1121 01:28:07,549 --> 01:28:08,650 We swapped countries. 1122 01:28:11,987 --> 01:28:15,023 If we were in London, I was living in the house with Phil, 1123 01:28:15,190 --> 01:28:17,959 and there was a lot of tomfoolery going on. 1124 01:28:18,693 --> 01:28:20,495 I remember once, we was all at the house 1125 01:28:20,662 --> 01:28:22,764 and we'd been recording stuff and hanging out. 1126 01:28:23,064 --> 01:28:26,201 Philip comes down in the morning, looking for his cheddar. 1127 01:28:26,568 --> 01:28:30,305 The only thing in the fridge was a big lump of fucking cheddar. 1128 01:28:30,505 --> 01:28:31,706 Somebody had the munchies. 1129 01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,509 In the middle of the night came down, took a chunk out of it. 1130 01:28:34,643 --> 01:28:37,679 And Phil's screaming, "Get down here, get down here now!" 1131 01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:42,083 So, we all trundled downstairs and Phil's there in his nightgown. 1132 01:28:42,250 --> 01:28:45,120 And he went, "Who the fuck ate the cheese?" 1133 01:28:47,222 --> 01:28:50,358 And there's this perfect bite mark out of the cheese. 1134 01:28:50,659 --> 01:28:52,093 And he lined us all up. 1135 01:28:52,494 --> 01:28:55,730 He had the cheese, going, "I wanna match your teeth marks." 1136 01:28:56,798 --> 01:29:00,902 I'm looking, going, "God, that looks like the shape of my teeth on that." 1137 01:29:01,303 --> 01:29:02,904 So, we all have to bite the cheese. 1138 01:29:04,206 --> 01:29:05,707 He was taking samples. 1139 01:29:06,007 --> 01:29:08,009 "No, it wasn't him, it wasn't you. 1140 01:29:08,176 --> 01:29:10,078 Gus, you're looking a bit suspicious there." 1141 01:29:10,245 --> 01:29:13,748 Anyway, it turns out to be Gus. Gus was the culprit. 1142 01:29:14,015 --> 01:29:16,384 Uh oh, he said it was Gus. Maybe it was Gus. 1143 01:29:16,585 --> 01:29:18,253 I blame Darren, now, on that. 1144 01:29:18,453 --> 01:29:20,288 He was living in the house at the time. 1145 01:29:20,722 --> 01:29:21,923 I'm sure it was Darren. 1146 01:29:22,090 --> 01:29:23,291 Phil just stormed off. 1147 01:29:23,491 --> 01:29:25,627 He didn't speak to us all for about an hour, 1148 01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:27,295 going to the Hammersmith Odeon. 1149 01:29:28,530 --> 01:29:30,332 Someone must've been very hungry. 1150 01:29:39,708 --> 01:29:41,910 I can prick around a bit with the solo stuff. 1151 01:29:42,043 --> 01:29:45,547 Like, I could use strings and I could sing love songs. 1152 01:29:46,014 --> 01:29:48,550 [t's more interesting as an individual. 1153 01:29:48,884 --> 01:29:50,919 But my first love is the band. 1154 01:30:08,570 --> 01:30:09,905 So, the drugs now. 1155 01:30:11,406 --> 01:30:12,641 I know we're going there. 1156 01:30:16,144 --> 01:30:18,446 They were there. They were always there. 1157 01:30:18,613 --> 01:30:20,882 But really just recreational stuff. 1158 01:30:22,217 --> 01:30:25,620 Almost everybody in the industry was like that. 1159 01:30:26,588 --> 01:30:30,292 The beginning of the problem with those class A drugs 1160 01:30:30,558 --> 01:30:34,829 started in Paris with the "Black Rose" album. 1161 01:30:40,268 --> 01:30:42,737 This was where the problems were beginning to start, 1162 01:30:42,938 --> 01:30:44,940 not that any of us really knew that. 1163 01:30:46,107 --> 01:30:48,376 When you actually look at the lyrics of the songs, 1164 01:30:48,643 --> 01:30:51,980 it's quite clear the idea of hiding in plain sight, 1165 01:30:52,614 --> 01:30:55,150 and he was perhaps reaching out, 1166 01:30:55,283 --> 01:30:58,019 hoping that some solution might be found. 1167 01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:47,135 All right, come on. 1168 01:32:22,337 --> 01:32:25,507 There's no question that was a note to self. 1169 01:32:34,883 --> 01:32:37,986 We did seem to be on the road all the time. 1170 01:32:39,521 --> 01:32:42,991 Tokyo, Australia, America, all over the world. 1171 01:32:43,558 --> 01:32:47,095 Private plane there, jet there, just a massive big rollercoaster. 1172 01:32:48,930 --> 01:32:52,267 But that has its down sides because you can burn people out. 1173 01:32:55,403 --> 01:32:57,906 This is the beginning of cracks in the relationship 1174 01:32:58,039 --> 01:33:00,809 because we literally just weren't together so much. 1175 01:33:01,843 --> 01:33:05,447 He was in a studio in London or on tour 1176 01:33:05,613 --> 01:33:09,651 and actually became a bit more of a visitor. 1177 01:33:11,486 --> 01:33:12,921 But there were other factors 1178 01:33:13,088 --> 01:33:15,023 that were influencing his thinking 1179 01:33:15,190 --> 01:33:18,059 and his behaviour and the way our lives were going. 1180 01:33:18,226 --> 01:33:23,965 We were starting to shift away from one another. 1181 01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:27,502 There was a marked change 1182 01:33:27,669 --> 01:33:29,971 in the guy that had a trajectory upwards 1183 01:33:30,138 --> 01:33:33,108 and had a vision, knew where he was going, 1184 01:33:33,241 --> 01:33:34,642 knew what he wanted, 1185 01:33:34,843 --> 01:33:37,679 and the guy that was falling apart. 1186 01:33:39,147 --> 01:33:41,950 You can hear it in the lyrics and you could feel it in the music. 1187 01:33:42,217 --> 01:33:44,719 It became more formulaic, 1188 01:33:45,086 --> 01:33:49,124 striving to get that "The Boys are Back in Town" part two. 1189 01:33:50,825 --> 01:33:52,660 The energy was going now, 1190 01:33:52,827 --> 01:33:55,029 the writing seemed to go down. 1191 01:33:55,296 --> 01:33:58,466 Even through the haze of all this crap that I had in my system, 1192 01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:01,603 I actually could see and feel the difference. 1193 01:34:02,604 --> 01:34:05,740 I just went to Phil and I said, "Buddy, I... 1194 01:34:06,708 --> 01:34:08,109 I gotta get out of this thing." 1195 01:34:09,177 --> 01:34:11,179 He says, "OK, this is what we're gonna do." 1196 01:34:11,813 --> 01:34:15,183 We do one last album and one last world tour 1197 01:34:15,350 --> 01:34:17,118 so we can say goodbye to all the fans." 1198 01:34:20,054 --> 01:34:22,290 So, that's what we did. 1199 01:34:22,824 --> 01:34:25,727 We're gonna do the only slow number on the new album. 1200 01:34:27,061 --> 01:34:28,930 It's a deep meaningful song, this one. 1201 01:34:29,130 --> 01:34:30,098 "Whiskey"! 1202 01:34:30,265 --> 01:34:32,167 No, it's not "Whiskey in the fucking Jar". 1203 01:34:40,241 --> 01:34:41,776 When the management first told us 1204 01:34:41,943 --> 01:34:44,145 that we're gonna take a break that was all it was, 1205 01:34:44,279 --> 01:34:46,080 we're gonna take six months to a year off 1206 01:34:46,481 --> 01:34:49,584 and give the guys time to rejuvenate. 1207 01:34:50,518 --> 01:34:52,487 It was never meant to be the end of the band. 1208 01:34:54,055 --> 01:34:57,058 All I can say about the last years of Lynott, 1209 01:34:57,258 --> 01:35:00,061 just listen to the last album, he's telling you everything. 1210 01:35:01,095 --> 01:35:02,130 It's all there. 1211 01:36:00,855 --> 01:36:03,458 The last gig in Dublin, the spark was missing. 1212 01:36:04,659 --> 01:36:06,561 It was sad that this kind of Irish... 1213 01:36:06,728 --> 01:36:08,663 institution' is the wrong word, I guess, 1214 01:36:08,830 --> 01:36:12,500 but this Irish thing called Thin Lizzy was to be no more. 1215 01:36:14,602 --> 01:36:16,304 Now, we know in retrospect 1216 01:36:16,738 --> 01:36:20,441 they were probably quite relieved it was almost over. 1217 01:36:22,176 --> 01:36:24,178 I've been to enough concerts to know that 1218 01:36:24,345 --> 01:36:26,948 it was right at the feet that I would get the plectrum. 1219 01:36:27,849 --> 01:36:30,184 I just was in the right place at the right time. 1220 01:36:34,589 --> 01:36:35,657 Yeah. 1221 01:36:50,171 --> 01:36:52,040 We all just said goodbye at the airport 1222 01:36:52,206 --> 01:36:56,244 as if "I'll see you next week, then.' It was like that. 1223 01:36:56,978 --> 01:37:00,548 Totally opposite from the way I thought the band was ever gonna end. 1224 01:37:00,682 --> 01:37:03,418 I thought it would be a mutual thing and we'd have a party, 1225 01:37:03,584 --> 01:37:05,520 shaking hands with big hugs. 1226 01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:07,722 It was me grabbing my bag and saying, 1227 01:37:07,889 --> 01:37:09,190 "Good luck everybody." 1228 01:37:09,324 --> 01:37:11,693 It was a really crappy ending to the whole thing. 1229 01:37:13,061 --> 01:37:15,897 So, what can you do? 1230 01:37:17,065 --> 01:37:18,566 Thin Lizzy is like a girlfriend 1231 01:37:18,733 --> 01:37:20,768 that you were madly in love with at one stage. 1232 01:37:20,935 --> 01:37:23,071 I'm in love with the idea of being with her again 1233 01:37:23,204 --> 01:37:25,006 but actually knowing it's impossible, 1234 01:37:25,173 --> 01:37:26,541 you can't really go back. 1235 01:37:29,177 --> 01:37:31,946 So much had gone, the brotherhood had gone. 1236 01:37:33,614 --> 01:37:35,216 And that's what Philip needed. 1237 01:37:56,838 --> 01:37:59,040 You cannot walk away from a successful band 1238 01:37:59,207 --> 01:38:00,942 and expect to be equally successful. 1239 01:38:01,109 --> 01:38:02,977 It's kind of like starting all over again. 1240 01:38:04,212 --> 01:38:07,648 There's always a transitional moment with fame 1241 01:38:08,149 --> 01:38:11,519 where the spotlight moves away from you. 1242 01:38:11,686 --> 01:38:14,088 And it happens to everyone. 1243 01:38:16,824 --> 01:38:19,427 You get very vulnerable at that moment 1244 01:38:19,761 --> 01:38:23,231 and you try and chase the fairy dust in one way or another. 1245 01:38:37,812 --> 01:38:40,281 At that stage, his marriage had broke up 1246 01:38:41,082 --> 01:38:43,818 and Lizzy had broke up, so there was a lot happening there. 1247 01:38:44,218 --> 01:38:47,455 And he wasn't the same old Philip that he used to be. 1248 01:38:51,626 --> 01:38:53,928 It's always sad when a relationship 1249 01:38:54,162 --> 01:38:57,765 that you had thought was for life breaks up. 1250 01:39:00,168 --> 01:39:03,771 In the same way that we came together 1251 01:39:04,105 --> 01:39:06,908 in a kind of absorption of each other, 1252 01:39:07,575 --> 01:39:11,546 we came apart in... 1253 01:39:12,613 --> 01:39:14,582 in... I don't know how to describe it. 1254 01:39:14,749 --> 01:39:17,518 Ina... um... 1255 01:39:20,221 --> 01:39:23,424 Almost like the tide going out. 1256 01:39:24,725 --> 01:39:30,198 And there was, I don't think, any point 1257 01:39:30,364 --> 01:39:36,270 where I knew that the tide had turned. 1258 01:39:41,042 --> 01:39:44,979 I spent from 18 to 24 with him. 1259 01:39:47,415 --> 01:39:50,284 It's minute, really. 1260 01:39:54,021 --> 01:39:57,725 I kind of feel like I was only beginning to get to know him. 1261 01:40:21,549 --> 01:40:22,617 He had faded. 1262 01:40:23,284 --> 01:40:24,652 Faded a lot. 1263 01:40:26,187 --> 01:40:27,788 I was really concerned about him. 1264 01:40:29,790 --> 01:40:31,058 Everybody tried to help, 1265 01:40:31,225 --> 01:40:32,927 but nobody can help a drowning man. 1266 01:40:34,095 --> 01:40:35,897 You'd do anything to put a rope out there 1267 01:40:36,063 --> 01:40:37,498 and just haul him back in. 1268 01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:40,902 But life isn't like that. 1269 01:40:47,441 --> 01:40:52,013 I wanted to get him back, singing up in the range 1270 01:40:52,446 --> 01:40:55,550 with that power that he had, that only he had. 1271 01:41:00,621 --> 01:41:02,590 But for Philip, I would never be here. 1272 01:41:04,292 --> 01:41:06,027 He was instrumental for me. 1273 01:41:09,263 --> 01:41:10,565 The late '70s, 1274 01:41:10,731 --> 01:41:13,501 my band Clover was selected to open for Thin Lizzy. 1275 01:41:15,069 --> 01:41:17,338 Our first show, the curtain goes up to... 1276 01:41:20,107 --> 01:41:21,776 Lizzy! Here's this other band. 1277 01:41:24,178 --> 01:41:26,347 The place went, "Boo!" 1278 01:41:26,614 --> 01:41:28,349 Barely got through all eight tunes. 1279 01:41:29,016 --> 01:41:31,919 And just hustled off the stage to silence. 1280 01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:35,523 And just in the wings of the stage 1281 01:41:35,690 --> 01:41:37,525 watching the whole show was Philip. 1282 01:41:39,226 --> 01:41:41,095 And he said, "Come on, let's have a chat." 1283 01:41:42,663 --> 01:41:45,099 He had faith in me and he raised me up. 1284 01:41:45,399 --> 01:41:46,367 Literally. 1285 01:41:48,002 --> 01:41:49,303 He came to San Francisco 1286 01:41:49,804 --> 01:41:52,940 and we spent a week working in the studio. 1287 01:41:53,741 --> 01:41:55,343 And we got a few things cut. 1288 01:41:56,777 --> 01:41:57,979 None of them were finished, 1289 01:41:58,145 --> 01:42:00,181 but we were on our way and it was great, 1290 01:42:00,348 --> 01:42:01,849 and he was going to go to England 1291 01:42:02,016 --> 01:42:03,684 and come back and finish the songs. 1292 01:42:10,891 --> 01:42:14,462 He was over on a flying visit to Dublin 1293 01:42:15,329 --> 01:42:16,597 and we had a great chat. 1294 01:42:17,298 --> 01:42:18,332 But before he left, 1295 01:42:18,532 --> 01:42:21,002 he said, like, he goes, "I just want to say to you that 1296 01:42:22,670 --> 01:42:24,572 my love affair with Dublin is over. 1297 01:42:26,641 --> 01:42:29,176 So, I go, "What?" 1298 01:42:29,510 --> 01:42:31,946 And he says, "Yeah, my love affair with Dublin's over." 1299 01:42:32,079 --> 01:42:34,482 He says, "That's it." 1300 01:42:36,784 --> 01:42:38,853 So, that was... 1301 01:42:43,524 --> 01:42:44,525 pretty sad. 1302 01:42:49,330 --> 01:42:50,598 I never saw him again. 1303 01:42:56,070 --> 01:42:57,772 After that, he just walked out the door 1304 01:42:57,938 --> 01:42:59,573 and six months later he was dead. 1305 01:44:26,293 --> 01:44:28,062 What a way for it to end, you know what I mean? 1306 01:44:28,229 --> 01:44:30,798 It was just... It wasn't how it was meant to end, was it? 1307 01:44:43,844 --> 01:44:45,780 It's just one terrible day in my life. 1308 01:44:47,782 --> 01:44:48,883 I'll never forget it. 1309 01:44:56,724 --> 01:44:58,492 Man, it's just been on the news. 1310 01:44:58,659 --> 01:45:00,628 That's how I found out, it was on the news. 1311 01:45:01,428 --> 01:45:02,530 Yeah. 1312 01:45:03,964 --> 01:45:04,965 Yes, sorry. 1313 01:45:13,641 --> 01:45:14,842 Absolutely crushed me. 1314 01:45:15,209 --> 01:45:16,310 I was in my basement. 1315 01:45:17,044 --> 01:45:19,680 I just sat on the stairs, cried like a baby. 1316 01:45:22,750 --> 01:45:25,319 This was a guy that loomed large in your life. 1317 01:45:26,220 --> 01:45:28,656 And now he's not there and he's not gonna be there. 1318 01:45:29,223 --> 01:45:30,324 So... 1319 01:45:32,359 --> 01:45:33,494 Yeah. 1320 01:45:35,229 --> 01:45:37,565 Weird. It's even weird to talk about it, you know. 1321 01:45:41,902 --> 01:45:43,771 There's things that go way past shock. 1322 01:45:43,938 --> 01:45:46,040 And then there's always regrets. 1323 01:45:46,307 --> 01:45:48,442 There's always the melancholy. 1324 01:45:56,550 --> 01:45:58,219 It was absolutely heart-breaking. 1325 01:45:58,819 --> 01:46:01,589 Even great people are desperately vulnerable. 1326 01:46:08,095 --> 01:46:09,630 It was a horrible wet day. 1327 01:46:11,398 --> 01:46:14,134 It was bleak and black, rainy. 1328 01:46:15,069 --> 01:46:17,104 It was incredibly hard to accept. 1329 01:46:41,228 --> 01:46:42,563 At some point, 1330 01:46:42,730 --> 01:46:46,700 there is a recognition that that life, albeit shorter 1331 01:46:46,867 --> 01:46:49,336 and much, much shorter than it should've been, 1332 01:46:49,937 --> 01:46:52,539 left behind something far greater 1333 01:46:52,706 --> 01:46:54,508 than most of us will in our lifetimes. 1334 01:46:56,043 --> 01:46:57,811 We can still hear his voice 1335 01:46:58,379 --> 01:47:01,448 and still tap into those memories 1336 01:47:01,615 --> 01:47:03,250 of everything that he left. 1337 01:47:11,292 --> 01:47:14,962 When I was on a train with him once when he was a little boy, 1338 01:47:15,296 --> 01:47:16,997 he put his arms around me, he said, 1339 01:47:17,264 --> 01:47:18,899 "You smell lovely, Mummy. 1340 01:47:19,166 --> 01:47:22,536 When I grow up, I'll buy you lots and lots of perfume 1341 01:47:22,703 --> 01:47:24,238 and a big, big house." 1342 01:47:24,505 --> 01:47:25,739 And blow me, he did. 1343 01:48:03,243 --> 01:48:04,778 All the time, we think about him. 1344 01:48:05,546 --> 01:48:07,881 He was one of a kind, Philip Lynott. 1345 01:48:08,615 --> 01:48:09,550 One of a kind. 1346 01:48:10,918 --> 01:48:14,254 I've stolen a few... Or borrowed, excuse me. 1347 01:48:14,788 --> 01:48:17,825 Borrowed a few lines from him over the years. 1348 01:48:18,058 --> 01:48:19,126 "You still out there?" 1349 01:48:21,862 --> 01:48:24,898 Phil Lynott would give you his entire soul 1350 01:48:25,165 --> 01:48:26,367 just to get you to smile. 1351 01:48:28,535 --> 01:48:31,238 I picture him as the guy I met at the very start. 1352 01:48:31,939 --> 01:48:33,507 He worked his arse off. 1353 01:48:34,608 --> 01:48:36,210 You can sit and dream all you want. 1354 01:48:36,643 --> 01:48:38,145 But you've got to pick it up. 1355 01:48:42,216 --> 01:48:45,452 I reckon he'd be dancing with the young ones around him somewhere. 1356 01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:49,456 He'd tell 'em the boys are back in town, probably in a kind of calypso. 1357 01:48:56,296 --> 01:48:57,931 I still have dreams about him. 1358 01:48:58,565 --> 01:49:01,602 This working-class lad who took on the world 1359 01:49:01,769 --> 01:49:04,204 and gave it a damn good thrashing. 1360 01:49:06,006 --> 01:49:08,208 It's always him looking over his left-hand shoulder 1361 01:49:08,375 --> 01:49:09,710 and giving me this grin. 1362 01:49:09,843 --> 01:49:12,613 Like, "Wow, check this out. Isn't this cool, man?" 1363 01:49:12,780 --> 01:49:13,947 And I'm like, "Yeah!" 1364 01:49:21,455 --> 01:49:23,323 I have the memories, I have the music 1365 01:49:23,524 --> 01:49:24,925 and I have Sarah and Cathleen 1366 01:49:25,459 --> 01:49:29,630 who keep him with me in my life. 1367 01:49:30,097 --> 01:49:32,166 And I'm grateful for that. 1368 01:49:38,939 --> 01:49:42,443 Loved. We felt very loved by him. 1369 01:49:44,445 --> 01:49:45,612 To feel loved. 1370 01:49:47,081 --> 01:49:48,282 And to pass that on. 1371 01:49:49,216 --> 01:49:51,652 That's a beautiful thing. 1372 01:49:53,821 --> 01:49:55,322 Until the next time. Thank you! 108369

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