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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 {\an8}SUNNY: Precious died very soon after your last meeting. 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:04,800 {\an8}Is there anything that you can tell us 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:06,200 {\an8}that would help us with that? 4 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:07,680 {\an8}No, sorry. 5 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,280 {\an8}My sense is there's more to that than he's admitting. 6 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,520 {\an8}He left because of some inappropriate photos 7 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:13,680 {\an8}he took of a colleague. 8 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,000 Do you wanna tell me why? 9 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,280 He said that you and he were finished. 10 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,200 Here we are, nine months on, with no hint of a wedding in sight. 11 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:25,360 Precious was a member of a cult - The Family Of Blessed Light. 12 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,240 See what you can find out about them. On it. 13 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,800 You got a lot to lose, man. Who are you really, Joseph? 14 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,200 I can't work like this. This is not who I am, or how I work. 15 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:36,560 Let's reset. 16 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,960 If I were to decide to bring things forward, 17 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,040 how much notice would you need? 18 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,200 MUSIC: 'All We Do' by Oh Wonder 19 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,160 {\an8}# All we do is hide away 20 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,120 {\an8}# All we do is All we do is hide away 21 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,440 {\an8}# All we do is lie in wait 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,880 {\an8}# All we do is All we do is lie in wait 23 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,480 {\an8}# I've been upside down 24 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,560 {\an8}# I don't want to be The right way round 25 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,440 {\an8}# Can't find paradise On the ground. # 26 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,520 CHILDREN PLAYING 27 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,000 DOG BARKING IN THE DISTANCE 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,720 CAR DOOR CLOSES 29 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,640 Hi. This is Llagavelly Farm? 30 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,320 It is. How can I help you? 31 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,280 DS Murray Boulting. 32 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,920 Metropolitan Police. I'm looking for David Bell. 33 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,240 What is it you need to know? 34 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,960 Maybe I can help? Is he here? 35 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:12,800 If you'd like to follow me. 36 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,240 You're not 21 any more, Tony Hume. 37 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,760 SHE SIGHS You need to slow down. 38 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,440 That was me slowing down. 39 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,080 A boozy break from work. 40 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,680 Well, exactly. 41 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,480 You shouldn't need a break from work because you shouldn't be working. 42 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,000 What are you even still trying to prove? 43 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:41,040 I don't know. 44 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,720 I just know the older I get, the more I see the mistakes. 45 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,640 The things I didn't achieve. 46 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,320 The wrongs I did. 47 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,840 Oh, what wrongs? 48 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,960 You haven't done any wrongs. 49 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,080 Not proper ones, anyway. 50 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,120 Well, I have, love. 51 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:00,440 Decades of them. 52 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,720 You did what you thought was the right thing at the time and... 53 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,720 Not just politics. 54 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,480 There were other things I never... I don't want to hear, Tony. 55 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,640 We all have things we wish we'd done differently. 56 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,200 That's life. 57 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,320 We move on. We don't live in the past. 58 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:30,960 SIGHS 59 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,160 So, is this anything to do with Precious Falade? 60 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,840 The only trouble we ever had here was with Precious. 61 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,760 We're all sinners, right? But Precious... 62 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,720 What? "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." 63 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,440 I'm not with you. Mammon, DS Boulting. 64 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,080 That's who she betrayed him for. 65 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,320 God of money. 66 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:57,920 Right. 67 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,800 She was 15 when he got her pregnant. 68 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,520 He was 42, your dear leader. 69 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,200 He's right there. 70 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,400 SIGHS 71 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,920 He was here for a couple of nights, and then he left. 72 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,560 Have you tried his work? Yeah. They said he was off sick. 73 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,240 Oh. 74 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:33,520 He's in there, isn't he? Jess, he's not. 75 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,440 Steve, are you in there? Please... 76 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,400 If he's in there, Nick, I swear to f... 77 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,480 Jess... calm down. 78 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,520 I am calm. Totally calm. 79 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,360 Did he tell you he was fucking my sister? 80 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,840 Just in case you were thinking of standing up for him. 81 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,720 He was what? Just get him to call me. 82 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,640 CAR BEEPS 83 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,360 HE SIGHS 84 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,280 You need to leave. 85 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,480 CAR BEEPS 86 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,600 I thought I'd wait. 87 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,720 I thought I owed you that. 88 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,400 You owe me nothing. 89 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,840 So, what was it... 90 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,000 when you asked me to marry you that night? 91 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,920 A genuine proposal. 92 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,560 Really? 93 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,640 Completely. 94 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,320 Because, sitting here, right now... 95 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,280 ..it slightly feels like maybe it was just... 96 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,440 because you were so lost. 97 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,480 No. 98 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,160 No. At the time, it... 99 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,840 ..it felt utterly genuine. 100 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,280 "At the time". 101 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,160 And now? 102 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:45,960 I don't know what's going on, Sal. 103 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,040 I'm as thrown as you are. 104 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,280 About where we are. Where I am. 105 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,040 I feel... 106 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:01,880 ..so stuck. 107 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,640 And... lost. 108 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,120 Yeah. 109 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,200 HE SIGHS Now, certainly. 110 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,760 And almost the unkindest cut of all 111 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,680 is that's the most you've said to me about it in nine months. 112 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,360 Because I... I felt you were jealous. 113 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,840 Right. Which, as I said, I completely get. 114 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,840 So... listen. 115 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,440 Let's not make any decisions right now. 116 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,800 But I do need to tell you how I'm feeling. 117 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,040 Of course. 118 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,600 And how I'm feeling is that, actually, with time, 119 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,360 I think we could probably ride this out. 120 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,600 Probably. Definitely. 121 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,360 Except, erm... 122 00:07:58,440 --> 00:07:59,720 ..then I got pregnant. 123 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:06,320 And it made me realise how much I do actually want a baby. 124 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,280 And how much you don't. 125 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,240 And that's quite a big thing. 126 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:19,680 So I'm gonna go and stay with my mum. 127 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,560 We can keep talking, but... 128 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,360 ..I need a break, to have a bit of a think. 129 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,080 Of course. 130 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,480 I'm... so, so sorry, my love. 131 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,080 Yeah. Me too. 132 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,080 DOOR OPENS, CLOSES 133 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,480 SIGHS 134 00:09:15,560 --> 00:09:18,280 RINGING TONE 135 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,520 'Hi, this is Karol, leave a message.' 136 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:21,600 PHONE BEEPS 137 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,440 Hi, Karol, this is DS Frances Lingley again. 138 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,280 Appreciate it if you could return my call. 139 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,240 My colleague DI Khan and I need to speak with you 140 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,680 following your earlier interview. Call me back ASAP, please. 141 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,360 Bailed? 'Last night.' 142 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,440 Had some posh lawyer on his case, apparently. 143 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,240 OK, er... and to his home address? 144 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,080 'Hang on. Let me check.' 145 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,280 Joseph Bell's apparently been bailed. 146 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,360 So I'm thinking if we go to his flat, 147 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,280 then we might need firearms support? Oh... 148 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,000 You wanna call the boss? Which one? 149 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,120 Yeah, no, better to be safe than sorry. 150 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,880 Yeah, I'll put a call in to TFC. 151 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,480 OK, thanks, Fran. 152 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,160 TAPPING ON PHONE 153 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,400 Hey. Hey, Sunny. 154 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,360 How you doing? Er... 155 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,120 Dreadful. 156 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,040 Ah. You? 157 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,000 My partner left last night, so, er, same. 158 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,800 Crap. I'm sorry. 159 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,920 Well, how about we distract ourselves with some work? 160 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,480 I like it. 161 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,760 Does anyone call you Jessie? 162 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,600 James, as in Jessie...? Yeah, no, no. No. 163 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,000 I get the reference. 164 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,000 On account of everyone I have met making the exact same joke. 165 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,080 Oh, sorry. The thought just occurred to me. 166 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,920 Jesus! We're in worse bloody trouble than I thought. 167 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,640 HE CHUCKLES 168 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,320 Time to go. 169 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,040 Where we going again? 170 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,760 Just away from London for now. 171 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,520 Right. 172 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:20,680 And you don't need to worry about money, babe. 173 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,240 Money ain't gonna be a problem... 174 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,240 DOOR BURSTS OPEN Armed police! 175 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,880 Armed police, face down on the floor, now! 176 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,840 Put your hands on your head. Hands behind your head! 177 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,880 Put your hands on your head. Stay there! 178 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,760 Bedroom clear! Kitchen clear! 179 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,040 That's my stuff, man, my personal stuff. 180 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,640 I never stole none of that, bro, so look after it, yeah, 181 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:50,000 or I'll fuck you up. 182 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,560 A sugar daddy? That was Niamh's description. 183 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,720 Any name? Just said he was an older man. 184 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,160 So are we saying that we think this was Hume? 185 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,720 That'd explain how Precious might have had a key to the house. 186 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,040 This relationship was supposed to have happened when? 187 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,200 She said Precious talked about him the very last time 188 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:07,320 she was up at the farm. 189 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,600 Niamh always assumed that's why she never came back. 190 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:10,720 And we definitively know 191 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,120 that David Bell did die three months before the murder? 192 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,360 Yeah, I checked with Bangor General on the way back. 193 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,600 He died on April the 12th, 2016, of lung cancer. 194 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,600 Lots to think about there. Er, Kaz? 195 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,040 So, Joseph Bell's been arrested at his flat, 196 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,080 having been bailed two nights ago with a 10K surety. 197 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,240 MURRAY SIGHS 198 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,200 Where's he get that kind of money? His own sugar daddy. 199 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,800 And possible motives for HIM killing her? 200 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,800 A row that escalated and could have been precipitated 201 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,040 by multiple things. 202 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,760 Drugs, money, her being on the game, her not being on the game. 203 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,200 Also, when you look at the Zoom interviews I did, 204 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,000 then simple old-fashioned revenge 205 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,120 starts to look like a fairly good motive. 206 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,520 Be good to be able to place him at the house at some point. 207 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:50,880 It's funny you should say that, because I've been doing 208 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,360 a bit of record-checking of Precious's bank statements. 209 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,680 And started with the assumption it was unlikely she had no phone, 210 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,280 and was linking debit card payments... 211 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,240 PHONE RINGS ..to possible phone shops, 212 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,280 newsagents, corner shops, etc, and, bingo! 213 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,880 This here. Sorry. 214 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,200 REPLACES RECEIVER Ebele Falade's here, Guv. 215 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,280 OK, thank you. Go on. 216 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,440 Yeah, so this is a £30 card payment 217 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,720 made to a small phone shop in Acton. 218 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,880 Where did you get it? Doesn't matter. 219 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,960 It matters to me. Same as you telling me 220 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,600 what the police wanted to speak to you about matters. 221 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:31,880 I've already told you. 222 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,720 It was an old client of mine who sadly died, 223 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,680 and they just wanted some background on her. 224 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,880 They couldn't do it in a phone call? Apparently not. 225 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,160 It's not my problem. Can we move on, please? 226 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,480 Serge spoke to one of the French officers this morning. 227 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,000 Explained the situation with the children, 228 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:47,640 that you live with us, 229 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:49,600 that you are effectively their stepfather. 230 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,040 And they said you were a person of interest in a murder. 231 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,480 Which might have a sexual element. 232 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,480 It's not true, Elise. You must know that not be true. 233 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,160 Look at me. 234 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:09,840 Look at me. 235 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,040 You need to leave. 236 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,720 Please... 237 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,560 Now, please. 238 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,320 IN FRENCH: 239 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,680 OK, thank you. Bye, now. 240 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,280 Boss, have you got a minute? 241 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,520 I just spoke to social services again. 242 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,640 Er, yeah, one sec. 243 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,480 Guv? Yeah? 244 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,840 DOOR OPENS, CLOSES 245 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:06,400 Erm, so I just spoke to HR at West London Social Services, 246 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:11,080 and they've confirmed Karol Wojski vehemently denied the allegation, 247 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,440 but then also refused to hand his phone over. 248 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,560 So, he was sacked or resigned? 249 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,440 It was agreed he could just resign on mental health grounds, 250 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,320 with no complaint on his record. 251 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:22,600 And when he left, 252 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,440 another employee came forward with a similar allegation. 253 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,200 So, what are we thinking? 254 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:32,320 Maybe there was some sort of sexual misdemeanour with Precious 255 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,520 that escalated? OK. 256 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,640 Make an application for all his work email correspondence for 2016, 257 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,880 with particular reference, obviously, to Precious. 258 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,440 Guv. 259 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,880 You all right? Yes. 260 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,320 So, my guess is she'll probably go "no comment". 261 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,560 So as discussed, the trick'll be to goad her in to talking. Yep. 262 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,480 In terms of motive, we have a row that got out of hand 263 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,880 about money, or sex work, or Precious stealing from her. 264 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,560 Or a row that got out of hand about how terrible a mother Abele was. 265 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,560 Or what a terrible daughter Precious was. 266 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,480 Spoilt for choice. Mm. 267 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,120 So, when we spoke on Tuesday, you said the last time 268 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,680 that you saw your daughter was on her birthday, 269 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,000 on the 15th of January, is that correct? 270 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:21,680 Yes. Now showing Ms Falade exhibit EF001. 271 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,080 Can you confirm that this mobile number 272 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:25,880 was once registered to you? 273 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,040 No idea. OK. 274 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,000 Showing exhibit EF002. 275 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,320 So, this was the address attached to the debit card 276 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,000 that purchased that contract. 277 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,120 Do you recognise that? Yes. 278 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:42,880 Was that your home address between March 2014 and May 2015? 279 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:43,960 Yes. 280 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,800 So it would be reasonable to assume that this was your number, right? 281 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,960 No comment. OK. 282 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,880 Here is exhibit EF003. 283 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,120 Do you recognise that number? 284 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:56,560 No. 285 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,160 OK, so that number was attached to a pay-as-you-go SIM which we - 286 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,800 through various bank and telecom records - 287 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,000 have identified as having been bought by your daughter. 288 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,360 Here's the thing, Bele. 289 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,320 On the 26th of June, 2016, the night we think she died, 290 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:17,240 the number we believe was yours 291 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,360 called the number we believe was your daughter's. 292 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,240 Do you have any comment on that? 293 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,560 No. D'you remember the call? 294 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,000 From six years ago? 295 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,920 The day your daughter died. 296 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,880 No. Well, the call happened at 18:27. 297 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,280 It lasted three minutes and 12 seconds. 298 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,120 No recollection at all? No. 299 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,680 At 18:24, just before you called your daughter, 300 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,600 you also received a call from an as yet unidentified number. 301 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,880 Do you recall that? No. 302 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,720 OK, er, any recollection, just 12 days before this, 303 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,200 of having a row with her outside the house where she died? 304 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:59,640 What row? 305 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,240 A neighbour called the police, it was so loud, 306 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,640 and detailed hearing the younger of the two women 307 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,320 calling her assailant "Mum". 308 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:08,280 Her assailant?! I never fucking touched her. 309 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,720 So you were there, but you never touched her? 310 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,400 No... No comment. 311 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,320 Fine. Moving on. 312 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:21,840 Can I ask you why you never mentioned 313 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,320 that Precious had foetal alcohol spectrum disorder? 314 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:26,600 Because she didn't. 315 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,320 All her medical and social service records say that she did. 316 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:30,840 Because she told them that she did. 317 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,160 Because she was small and struggled at school 318 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,520 so wanted someone to blame. 319 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,000 Did you drink while pregnant? 320 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,720 No. I mean, we know that you have a history of alcohol issues. 321 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,400 You told us yourself. Not when I was pregnant. 322 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,160 You see... 323 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:52,040 ..I think you're denying the FASD 324 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,080 because it had been a source of huge conflict 325 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:56,360 between Precious and you, hadn't it? 326 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,400 No comment. Which you wanted to keep from us, 327 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,440 that you rowed - often violently - 328 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,480 many, many times about this very subject. 329 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:04,680 No comment. 330 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,320 Did you have another row with her the night of June 26th? No. 331 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:09,360 Maybe it got out of hand. She was a volatile woman. 332 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,480 I wasn't even with her. 333 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,200 Maybe you didn't mean to hurt her. Maybe it was an accident. Look... 334 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,360 I did... 335 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,320 the best I could for her. 336 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,920 And I'm sorry if that wasn't good enough. 337 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,200 And... if I wasn't good enough. 338 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,200 But I'm confused as to why 339 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,520 she devoted so much of her life to hating me. 340 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,440 Because, really, what a waste. 341 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,400 And I didn't have an ideal childhood, 342 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,160 but you move on, don't you? BELE SNIFFLES 343 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:54,360 So like I say, I am genuinely sorry if I failed her. 344 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:01,520 {\an8}But I can tell you honestly that I never hit her. 345 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,560 {\an8}I never hurt her. 346 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:09,440 And I certainly never killed her. 347 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,520 It happens. 348 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,200 There you go. Oh, thank you. 349 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,160 What, people shift their views as they get older? 350 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,800 I mean, generally, it tends to go the other way, 351 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,080 from left to right. 352 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:37,040 And it's rarely as complete as Hume's, but it does happen. 353 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,840 So, he was pretty conservative originally? 354 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,440 HE SCOFFS He was a classic Thatcherite 355 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,200 who'd lecture anyone that would listen. 356 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,040 You didn't spend what you didn't have. 357 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,640 Basically a version of her "housewife fallacy". 358 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,080 That you run a country like a home, don't accumulate debt. 359 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:55,440 And then? And then, sometime late 2016, 360 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,240 just six years after he more or less invented austerity for Osborne, 361 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,840 he declares the opposite. That, actually, an economy 362 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,960 is profoundly different from a household, 363 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,640 and we should be borrowing and spending hugely 364 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,040 on public services. 365 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,640 So, does anyone have any idea what brought this shift around? 366 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:12,920 Not really. 367 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,600 I mean, some people thought it was his cancer diagnosis in 2014. 368 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,120 OK. Except he was still a vociferous campaigner for budget cuts 369 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,280 all through his treatment, so I didn't really buy that. 370 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,480 Huh! Some people thought it was Brexit, 371 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,080 because he was a Remainer. 372 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:30,080 There was an argument that austerity had a part to play in them losing, 373 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:32,280 but anyone with half a brain knew that austerity 374 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,640 was just one small part of that, so... 375 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:35,880 So? 376 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,360 CLEARS HIS THROAT 377 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,320 I think it was a woman. 378 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,280 Deleted? Sorry. 379 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,960 Is that standard here? Not at all. 380 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,560 This was all deleted by him, by Karol Wojski. 381 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,640 So when you say deleted...? Well, exactly. 382 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:12,400 It depends how tech savvy he was, because not much is gone forever. 383 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,000 But how much time and money do you have? 384 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,440 I'll call my boss. 385 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,360 I don't know what you did or what you didn't do, 386 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,800 but for what it's worth... 387 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,680 ..I've always thought of you as a good guy. 388 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:28,760 I love you, man. 389 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,280 IN POLISH: 390 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,160 And he said that he saw him with her in the spring of 2016 391 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,720 on the pavement outside Portcullis House, 392 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,680 as Hussein was returning from a run. 393 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,440 How did he know it wasn't a colleague, or just a friend or...? 394 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,120 Yeah, he said he saw that they were rowing, 395 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,560 and that there was just something in the way that they were together 396 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,880 that to him, at least, suggested it was an intimate relationship. 397 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,080 Did you show him a photo of Precious? 398 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:15,960 Yeah. He couldn't say one way or another on the face, 399 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,040 but he did remember very specifically 400 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,120 that the woman with Hume was petite 401 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,440 and that she was probably mixed-race or Mediterranean-looking. 402 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,320 OK. Erm... 403 00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:31,120 And then just one last thing. 404 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,680 As I was researching his early years, 405 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,640 Wallingham, Cambridge, the City, etc, 406 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,760 I came across a rather interesting detail. 407 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,440 Look at the second paragraph down, under "Early Life". 408 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,680 So, the first company that Hume worked for, 409 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,520 between 1968 and 1973, 410 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,280 was Morgan Lavelle. 411 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,680 The same company that Ebele Falade walked into 412 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,560 with an air pistol nine years later. 413 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:56,760 Oh, man. 414 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,560 Where are we with finding our doorman? 415 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,240 Er, I've been mainly prioritising this. 416 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,320 Well, we need to speak to the doorman ASAP, 417 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:05,160 because that, Kaz, that is fucking gold. 418 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,360 VOICEMAIL: 'You have one new message.' 419 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,720 'Hi there, this is DS Lingley. 420 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,400 'Thanks for your message, and great you're back in the UK. 421 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,000 'If you could present yourself at Bishop Street Police Station, 422 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,200 'NW1, ASAP, please ask for me. 423 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,360 'That would be really helpful. Thank you.' 424 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,440 So, the owner of the firearm we think is our murder weapon... 425 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,960 Elton King? 'Yeah.' 426 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,440 We found him. He's happy to talk to us. 427 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,120 OK, nice one. Can you set something up tomorrow? 428 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,120 'On it now. Night, boss.' 429 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,800 Night. CALL DISCONNECTS 430 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,760 And so what we propose three months out from launch 431 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,680 is that I step away from the Bath position. 432 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,680 My commis chef is more than ready to take the reins... Sorry. 433 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:04,920 You were right. It's... all just... noise. 434 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,560 I'm... I'm so... 435 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,800 ..sorry to have wasted your time. 436 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,120 I... 437 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,280 It was a mistake. It was my mistake. 438 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:15,840 I am so sorry. 439 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,080 I'm really sorry. I'll... 440 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:22,880 I'll be right back. 441 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,040 Bele. 442 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,360 Bele. 443 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,680 Now, we don't remotely expect you to tell us where the gun is, Mr King. 444 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,280 All we want to know is if there is a possibility 445 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,560 that Joseph Bell could have had access to it 446 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,240 after you were arrested. 447 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,040 I 100% know he had access to it. 448 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,240 OK. How? 449 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,160 Cos it was him that used it in the robbery, not me. 450 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,000 He was the one with you? 451 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,280 And when I got pulled, I was happy to take the flak for it, 452 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,200 on the assumption he'd look after me inside. 453 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,840 Send me shit, look after my lady. 454 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,280 Except I never heard from him again. So, yeah... 455 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,040 he had access to the gun, cos I gave it to him. 456 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,600 And you'd be prepared to make a statement to that effect? 457 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,120 Too fucking right I would. 458 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,080 So, we know the payments came from a Coombe & Co account. 459 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:26,760 We just need to know now who, or what, DSH is. 460 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,960 Except, unfortunately, 461 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,280 I'm not at liberty to disclose that information. 462 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,000 Oh, I'm sorry. My mistake. Yes, you are. 463 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,520 My colleague DS Boulting sent through a disclosure form. 464 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,480 It's the bank's rules, I'm afraid. 465 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,640 We can return with a warrant 466 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,120 and spend a few days turning the whole place over. 467 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,320 It's your call. 468 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,080 HE LAUGHS 469 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:49,000 I'll need to speak to my boss. 470 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,880 I'll wait. 471 00:26:54,360 --> 00:27:00,760 When I was 17 and just pregnant with Precious... 472 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,040 I came home from school one day 473 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:09,800 to find that my grandmother had invited Pastor Muyulu to our house 474 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,120 to perform an exorcism on me. 475 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,880 I refused to cooperate and fought them both off. 476 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,600 But then when I came back a few days later... 477 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,080 to get my stuff before I left for good, 478 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:30,360 I found my grandfather there on his own. 479 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,440 He was a strong man still, only in his early 50s, 480 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,880 and he told me that if we got rid of it before I started to show, 481 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,320 then I wouldn't shame them and the community, 482 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:46,920 like my mum had. 483 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:52,920 He tied me up and forced a funnel into my mouth... 484 00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:01,040 ..and poured half a litre of vodka down me. 485 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,040 Apart from giving me a taste for the stuff, 486 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,520 whatever he did over the next couple of hours 487 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,960 obviously didn't work, because... 488 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,080 ..Precious survived. 489 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:23,480 That, and the way that they raised me, 490 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,720 damaged me for life. 491 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:27,960 And in here. 492 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,800 The constant sense of shame and guilt... 493 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,120 ..about my mum messed me up. 494 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:50,680 So the first time I got sober, in my early 30s... 495 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,640 ..I tried to get help. 496 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,360 And for a few years, I was lucky. 497 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,240 You know, the referrals would sometimes get me 498 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,480 an hour of therapy once a week, for a couple of months. 499 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,880 But then even that dwindled to waiting lists 500 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,960 and apologies from overworked GPs. 501 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,280 So, you... 502 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,160 you find your own therapy, don't you? 503 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,560 The drink sometimes. 504 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,880 Or love. 505 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,920 The best, I think. 506 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,000 But the... the damage is still in there. 507 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,480 So, how about I tell you where we are, what we know. 508 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,400 Showing the suspect exhibit JR1, 509 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:02,560 a copy of a triangulation document supplied by KZK Mobile. 510 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:08,680 So, this document details that on the 26th of June, 2016, at 18:49, 511 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,560 a phone that we believe belonged to you 512 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,680 called a phone registered to your grandmother, Ebele Falade. 513 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,280 That call was connected via a phone mast 514 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,920 just 200 yards from 64 Waterman Road. 515 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,200 So basically, what we're saying is, 516 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,040 that on the night that your mother died, 517 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,480 we can place you in or near the house in which her body was found. 518 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,120 D'you have any response to that? 519 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,640 No comment. Did you make that call? 520 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,360 No comment. Were you there, J? 521 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,840 No comment. 522 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,040 Do you remember Elton King, Joseph? 523 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,960 No comment. He remembers you. 524 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,760 Not that fondly, I'm sorry to say. 525 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,520 No comment. 526 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,200 That wasn't actually a question, but thanks for the response. 527 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,400 Did you look after a gun for Mr King, Joseph? 528 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,160 No comment. Did you keep it 529 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,680 while he went to prison for a robbery 530 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,600 that you were also involved in? No comment. 531 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,960 Did you have it with you when you went to see your mother 532 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,200 on the night of 26th June, 2016? No comment. 533 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,800 Did you get into a row with her, Joseph? 534 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:21,880 No comment. 535 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,520 Because we know things were difficult between you. 536 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,440 We spoke to many people who looked after you when you were growing up. 537 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,440 Teachers, social workers, your foster parent, Alan Barker. 538 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,400 He told us what your mum put you through, 539 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,200 and I know that she was wrestling with her own demons, but... 540 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,640 ..no child should have to deal with what you did. 541 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,400 The people that she made you encounter. 542 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,560 The innocence that was taken away from you. 543 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,720 So we understand if it was a row that got out of hand 544 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,520 and your anger got the better of you. 545 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,800 Maybe it was even an accident. 546 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,880 But why don't you tell us your side of the story? 547 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,640 You don't understand a thing. 548 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,360 Joseph... And you can shut the fuck up. 549 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,040 So help us. 550 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,080 I'm not Joseph Bell. 551 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,600 I'm sorry? 552 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,360 I'm not Joe. 553 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,600 It's not J for Joseph. It's J for Jay. 554 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,120 I'm Joe's half-brother. 555 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,760 My birth was never registered. 556 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,920 My mum didn't want me taken in to care like Joe was. 557 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,560 So... So, what about schools and healthcare? 558 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,040 I lived between my mum and my dad till I was 11. 559 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,400 He home-schooled me a bit. 560 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,960 So, how old are you? 21. 561 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,720 So you were 14 when your mum died? 562 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,480 Nearly 15. 563 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,840 And did you go to your dad, then? 564 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,000 No, he died in 2015. 565 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,000 And who was your father? 566 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,080 Eric Royce. 567 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,320 OK. And where did he live? 568 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,480 With, erm... a travelling community. 569 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,200 So, er... 570 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,480 How did you survive in London, 571 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,240 I presume on your own, from the age of 14? 572 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,400 I did fine. I was already old, man. 573 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,400 I stole. Lived on the streets. 574 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,360 Got jobs in markets, lived in squats. 575 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,360 Then when I was 16, I... 576 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,000 I adopted my brother's identity to gain access to his benefits. 577 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,280 OK. Did your brother not need his identity? 578 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,960 You can leave now. 579 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,240 Jay, I'm here to help... Leave, bruv. 580 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,680 I'll wait outside. 581 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,040 DOOR CLOSES 582 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,320 No. 583 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,680 Why didn't your brother need his identity? 584 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,320 Did something happen to him, Jay? 585 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,400 Something connected to the night of the 26th? 586 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,000 There's people out there, man, 587 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,400 who'd wanna hurt me cos of what I've seen. 588 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,960 So I'm not saying any more. 589 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,640 We wouldn't let that happen. 590 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,120 HE SCOFFS We wouldn't let anyone hurt you. 591 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,920 Yeah, people used to say that to Joe. 592 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,720 All day long. 593 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,400 People like you, telling him he could trust them. 594 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,640 That they'd look after him. 595 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,080 And they were lying. 596 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,440 All of them, man. 597 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,400 All of them. 598 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,440 So I ain't telling you a thing. 599 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:53,360 'So, good news, bad news.' 600 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,360 The bad news is that all his e-mails to her have gone from our server. 601 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,480 And I mean properly gone. He knew what he was doing. 602 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,160 OK. And the good news? 603 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,320 Just because of how and where our systems store stuff, 604 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,000 there are two from her to him undeleted, 605 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,600 and I think you'll find them interesting. 606 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,440 So, this is the first, 607 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,880 as I say, from Precious Falade to Karol Wojski, 608 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,760 sent on the 26th of June at 14:23. 609 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,320 "Hi, Karol, you left your laptop here earlier, unlocked. 610 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,520 "Couldn't resist a peek at your photos. 611 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:29,840 "Some interesting pics. 612 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,240 "How much would you not want me to share these with your boss? 613 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,800 "Call or text. I'm here tonight." 614 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,920 And then this is the other one. 615 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,200 And at the bottom here, 616 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:40,440 you can see his reply to her first email. 617 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,920 SHE READS 618 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,680 That would be the 27th. 619 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:49,000 And she just replies, "Bring 2K." Oh... 620 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,520 {\an8}There was a laptop logged on her son's arrest sheet. 621 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,480 So, is it possible to determine who's this is? 622 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,240 Is it obviously Joe Royce's? 623 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,360 If it is, he's barely used it in the last few years. 624 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,760 There's no internet history, no updates, no emails. 625 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,600 So, when you say the last few years...? 626 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,280 Last real activity was mid-2016. 627 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,440 So this is his mum's. 628 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,720 I think that's pretty likely. OK. 629 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,200 Also, I need you to find and download any stored photos, 630 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:27,520 look for anything, erm, tagged and nominated to a Karol Wojski. 631 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,760 Right. Yep. 632 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,680 Yep. Call me ASAP if you find anything. 633 00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:33,800 Cheers. 634 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,680 His brother?! 'Half. 635 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,720 'At least, that's what he told me.' 636 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,400 There was no bloody brother, half or otherwise. 637 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,040 I'm just telling you what he said. 638 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,560 'Is he still in there? 639 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,080 'Are they still questioning him?' Yes. 640 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,520 Look, just try to get him out, Graham, whoever the hell he is. 641 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,400 And then what? PHONE BEEPS 642 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,440 'Just... Oh, I've got another call coming in. 643 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:57,720 'Just try to get him out.' 644 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,760 Ben. 'Tony.' 645 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,320 Long time. 'Indeed.' 646 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,440 How are you? 'Er, listen, not a social call.' 647 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,720 Er, we've had a rather unfortunate incident in the bank today, 648 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,680 involving a police officer 649 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,400 asking about an account you set up in the late '80s? 650 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,360 Right. And, er... what did you tell them? 651 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:24,080 Well, you know I always try to preserve anonymity, but, er... 652 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,400 ..I had to tell them, I'm afraid. 653 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,080 'About both standing orders.' 654 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,840 PHONE RINGS 655 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,360 Fran Lingley. 656 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,320 'Fran, it's Gordy Watson on the front desk.' 657 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,800 Hey, Gordy, what's up? 658 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,080 'So, I just had the weirdest call regarding the Precious Falade case. 659 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,640 'Can you come down?' 660 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,920 So, how do we prove if he's telling the truth? 661 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,000 It's hard. 662 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,080 But DNA from him, his mum, both his alleged fathers... 663 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,800 Who are both dead, and may not be on any of our systems. 664 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,160 And how long's that gonna take, if it's even possible? 665 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,600 Not your problem. 666 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,880 I'm not sure you're even his brief any more. 667 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,440 And even if he is lying about who he says he is... 668 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,280 you still have no good evidence to connect him to your murder. 669 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,760 As I said... I think you'll find I am his brief, 670 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,240 as soon as I tell him I can get him bailed. 671 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,040 Guv. 672 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,200 Erm, I need a word. It's pretty urgent. 673 00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:27,160 We'll get right back to you on that. 674 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,200 And did the caller say who the body was? 675 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:34,080 A young man named Joseph Bell. 676 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,800 Jesus. Yeah. 677 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,240 And I assume the caller didn't say who he was? 678 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,440 No. How weird they make the call now. 679 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,920 Can we trace where the call came from? We're working on it. 680 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,520 And did he say where specifically in the garden he was buried? 681 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,040 No, but I checked the address he gave on Google Maps. 682 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,160 It's a small ground floor flat in Greenford. 683 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,480 The garden's 50 by 30, so... 684 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,760 OK. Thanks, Fran. OK. 685 00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:05,240 So, we get a dog unit down there... 686 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,600 What about Jay Royce? 687 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,080 Brief's right. We've got nothing to hold him. 688 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,880 Bail him to return next week. 689 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,880 OK. DOOR OPENS 690 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,520 Sunny, when they found the bullet, did they keep looking for others? 691 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,280 I'll call Morten. Get him back in there. 692 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,760 DOOR CLOSES 693 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,640 Mr Blackwood? Yeah? 694 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,080 Karen Willets, Bishop Street nick. 695 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,400 I was wondering if you could give me five minutes? 696 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,040 Yeah. 697 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,160 Where were they? 698 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,320 In a file imaginatively named "Karol Wojsack pics". 699 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,080 So, this is not Jay's. 700 00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,400 Everything on here would suggests to me this is Precious Falade's laptop. 701 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,040 When was the file made? 702 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,640 26th of June, 2016. 703 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,760 Downloaded from an email sent from a Hotmail address, 704 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,840 also created on the 26th of June. 705 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,520 About 20 minutes or so before the e-mail was sent, in fact. 706 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,040 So she creates a Hotmail account on Wojski's laptop 707 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,720 to send the photos to this to hers? 708 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,080 Yeah. 709 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,960 How many are there? 43. 710 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,920 On the tube, buses, shops... It's obviously his thing. 711 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,520 Daryl, you're a genius. Can you send them to me? Yep. 712 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,080 When? KATE: 'About ten minutes ago.' 713 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,440 And what's he doing? 714 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,640 Has he... Has he come to pick some stuff up or...? 715 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,720 I don't think so. He's playing with the kids. 716 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,840 'He just dropped a bag in the spare room 717 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,520 'and said he'd cook.' OK, well, erm... 718 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,720 Look, you head on, Mum, and, erm... I'll call you later, OK? 719 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:48,920 Sorry. 720 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,640 MAN: Go on, then. Go find him. Good boy. 721 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,880 PHONE RINGS 722 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,680 Lingley. GORDY: 'Got a Karol Wojski down here 723 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:41,960 'asking for you.' 724 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,600 Can you get him to take a seat and tell him I'll be down in 20? 725 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:46,880 'OK.' 726 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,040 DOOR LOCKING 727 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,600 DOGS SNIFFING 728 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,240 Here! 729 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:16,960 Good boy. 730 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,120 Mr Hume, Gatwick? Yes. Gatwick, please. 731 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,920 And we just felt that there was a bit of a discrepancy between you, 732 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,720 obviously, thinking it was 733 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,720 a serious enough incident to call the police, 734 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,640 and then what you went on to say in court. 735 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,640 Well, yes. 736 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,400 Yes, there was. Thanks. 737 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:03,600 OK. 738 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,120 But can I ask you why? 739 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,440 Because it was suggested to me after the arrest... 740 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,200 ..that if I wanted to keep my job... 741 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:16,480 ..I downplay the incident. 742 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,000 Suggested by who? 743 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,480 One of the directors. 744 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,560 Which one? I'd prefer not to say. 745 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,360 Well, according to my research, 746 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,000 Anthony Hume's father was on the board of directors. 747 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,800 Was it him? 748 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,760 And was there anything else he asked you to change? 749 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,480 Anything else that you didn't tell the court? 750 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:50,160 What she was shouting, when she came through the door. 751 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,920 Which was? 752 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,160 "I wanna speak to my dad. 753 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,000 "I want to speak to Tony fucking Hume." 754 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,800 CAR ENGINE TURNING OVER 755 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,280 Hold on. 756 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,360 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com 57102

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