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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,585 --> 00:00:03,462 MAN 1: You ready? MAN 2: Yep. All set. 2 00:00:03,462 --> 00:00:05,464 MAN 1: All right. Ready to roll? 3 00:00:05,464 --> 00:00:07,883 MAN 2: A camera rolling. 4 00:00:09,551 --> 00:00:11,512 GIANCARLO GRANDA: Oh, shit, I don't-- [laughs] 5 00:00:11,512 --> 00:00:12,888 Let me mentally prepare myself 6 00:00:12,888 --> 00:00:14,932 'cause I know my parents are gonna watch this one day. 7 00:00:14,932 --> 00:00:17,059 So, just-- Um... 8 00:00:17,059 --> 00:00:20,938 Look, if I would've known that accepting this woman's invitation 9 00:00:20,938 --> 00:00:22,564 to go back to her hotel room 10 00:00:22,564 --> 00:00:25,234 would've led to a scandal involving the president 11 00:00:25,234 --> 00:00:27,486 of the largest Christian university in the world 12 00:00:27,986 --> 00:00:29,988 and the president of the United States, 13 00:00:30,822 --> 00:00:33,367 I would've walked away and just enjoyed my private life. 14 00:00:34,535 --> 00:00:37,538 ♪ 15 00:00:46,547 --> 00:00:49,216 ♪ 16 00:00:57,641 --> 00:00:59,059 ♪ Tell 'em, pray for me ♪ 17 00:00:59,059 --> 00:01:01,144 ♪ It was God that brought Dre to me ♪ 18 00:01:01,144 --> 00:01:03,188 ♪ Even brought the-- Kanye for me ♪ 19 00:01:03,188 --> 00:01:04,022 ♪ Bless... ♪ 20 00:01:04,022 --> 00:01:06,066 GIANCARLO: If you go to the Fontainebleau on a Saturday, 21 00:01:06,066 --> 00:01:07,150 it looks like you're in Vegas. 22 00:01:07,150 --> 00:01:08,527 ♪ ...ashamed of the city where he live ♪ 23 00:01:08,527 --> 00:01:10,529 ♪ Make a-- hate the logo on the Dodger cap ♪ 24 00:01:10,529 --> 00:01:11,947 GIANCARLO: And if you don't have the connections, 25 00:01:11,947 --> 00:01:13,407 you're gonna wait two hours in line. 26 00:01:14,449 --> 00:01:16,618 It's a big party scene, everyone's having a good time, 27 00:01:16,618 --> 00:01:19,121 people are drinking, there's cabanas. 28 00:01:20,497 --> 00:01:23,542 People ordering bottle service, spending a lot of money. 29 00:01:24,126 --> 00:01:27,337 The waitresses would get hit on, you know, us guys would get hit on too. 30 00:01:28,547 --> 00:01:30,007 That's why it's a fun job. 31 00:01:30,340 --> 00:01:33,177 ♪ Mama, forgive me 'cause I'm tryin' to make a living, hah ♪ 32 00:01:33,177 --> 00:01:34,720 ♪ Them-- hating 'cause they... ♪ 33 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,390 GIANCARLO: My job as a pool attendant at the Fontainebleau was very simple. 34 00:01:38,390 --> 00:01:40,058 ♪ Me and 'Ye killin' ♪ 35 00:01:40,058 --> 00:01:41,602 ♪ Something like my Jesus piece... ♪ 36 00:01:41,602 --> 00:01:44,605 GIANCARLO: Folding towels, fixing the chairs, umbrellas, 37 00:01:44,605 --> 00:01:46,523 and just interact with the guests. 38 00:01:48,066 --> 00:01:49,902 ♪ Throw them suicide doors up ♪ 39 00:01:49,902 --> 00:01:51,361 ♪ And let the Holy Ghost swing ♪ 40 00:01:51,361 --> 00:01:53,113 ♪ Something like my Jesus piece... ♪ 41 00:01:53,113 --> 00:01:55,199 GIANCARLO: March 2012 was like any other day. 42 00:01:55,866 --> 00:01:58,994 I'm doing the usual, just, uh, changing towels, talking to the guests. 43 00:01:59,494 --> 00:02:01,288 That day, I... 44 00:02:01,288 --> 00:02:03,624 I was flirting with, you know, some girls. 45 00:02:03,624 --> 00:02:05,167 They were about my age. 46 00:02:05,167 --> 00:02:07,586 And then I look over, you know, behind my shoulder, 47 00:02:07,586 --> 00:02:09,129 and I see this woman looking at me. 48 00:02:11,006 --> 00:02:13,050 She was just laying back, sipping on a drink, 49 00:02:13,884 --> 00:02:16,053 and just eyeing me down, just staring at me. 50 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,472 She was actually snapping pictures of me. 51 00:02:19,389 --> 00:02:21,683 She was in her 40s, more than twice my age. 52 00:02:22,351 --> 00:02:23,602 She was attractive. 53 00:02:23,602 --> 00:02:24,728 Yeah, she was a cougar. 54 00:02:27,231 --> 00:02:29,858 And I'm like, "Why are you taking pictures of me?" 55 00:02:29,858 --> 00:02:31,193 And then she tells me, 56 00:02:31,193 --> 00:02:32,694 "Don't waste your time with the younger ones. 57 00:02:32,694 --> 00:02:33,904 They don't know what they're doing." 58 00:02:34,530 --> 00:02:38,450 And at that moment, I knew that she probably wanted something more. 59 00:02:39,868 --> 00:02:41,245 It started intensifying. 60 00:02:42,412 --> 00:02:43,622 She makes a proposition. 61 00:02:43,622 --> 00:02:45,499 She's like, "You wanna go back to my hotel?" 62 00:02:45,499 --> 00:02:47,668 I'm like, "Let's go back. I'm down." 63 00:02:47,668 --> 00:02:51,922 Like, I-- I don't think any 20-year-old would reject this proposition, right? 64 00:02:51,922 --> 00:02:55,133 If an attractive woman tells you to go back to the hotel room, 65 00:02:55,133 --> 00:02:56,635 you're probably gonna take it. 66 00:02:56,635 --> 00:02:58,887 And then she told me, "But one thing, though. 67 00:02:58,887 --> 00:03:00,764 My, uh, my husband wants to watch." 68 00:03:04,643 --> 00:03:06,311 ♪ 69 00:03:06,311 --> 00:03:10,691 REPORTER 1: Jerry Falwell Jr. is officially out as President of Liberty University. 70 00:03:11,358 --> 00:03:15,195 The evangelical leader resigning from the college his father founded 71 00:03:15,195 --> 00:03:16,488 under a cloud of scandal. 72 00:03:17,197 --> 00:03:20,075 REPORTER 2: His fall from grace was swift and steep. 73 00:03:20,075 --> 00:03:23,620 A one-time Miami pool attendant, Giancarlo Granda, 74 00:03:23,620 --> 00:03:27,457 claiming he had a seven-year affair with Falwell's wife, Becki, 75 00:03:27,457 --> 00:03:30,127 and that Falwell watched when they were intimate. 76 00:03:31,712 --> 00:03:34,631 REPORTER 3: It is the latest in a shocking string of scandals 77 00:03:34,631 --> 00:03:36,717 to hit one of the most influential families 78 00:03:36,717 --> 00:03:39,011 in the evangelical Conservative movement. 79 00:03:40,053 --> 00:03:43,807 ♪ Ooh, Lordy, trouble so hard ♪ 80 00:03:44,391 --> 00:03:48,979 ♪ Ooh, Lordy, trouble so hard ♪ 81 00:03:48,979 --> 00:03:52,691 ♪ Don't nobody know my troubles but God ♪ 82 00:03:53,192 --> 00:03:57,738 ♪ Don't nobody know my troubles but God ♪ 83 00:03:57,738 --> 00:04:01,825 ♪ Ooh, Lordy, trouble so hard ♪ 84 00:04:01,825 --> 00:04:05,871 ♪ Don't nobody know my troubles but God ♪ 85 00:04:06,455 --> 00:04:11,084 ♪ Don't nobody know my troubles but God ♪ 86 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:14,922 ♪ 87 00:04:14,922 --> 00:04:17,007 GIANCARLO: I grew up in, uh, Westchester, Miami, 88 00:04:17,007 --> 00:04:22,054 which is a predominately Cuban, working-class, uh, neighborhood. 89 00:04:22,679 --> 00:04:25,474 LILIA GRANDA: He was a cute, little, blond baby. 90 00:04:25,474 --> 00:04:27,601 Everyone loved him-- Adorable. 91 00:04:27,601 --> 00:04:30,771 He was the typical, annoying little brother. 92 00:04:30,771 --> 00:04:33,023 We have a seven-year difference. 93 00:04:33,982 --> 00:04:36,360 GIANCARLO: My childhood was pretty much normal, 94 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:37,819 you know, in Miami standards. 95 00:04:39,154 --> 00:04:43,033 MARK EBNER: Giancarlo may seem a little aloof, a little guarded. 96 00:04:43,033 --> 00:04:45,619 That's just him being a product of his upbringing. 97 00:04:45,619 --> 00:04:49,915 He was raised in a conservative Catholic family in Miami. 98 00:04:49,915 --> 00:04:51,166 - Write to me, Jerry Falwell-- 99 00:04:51,166 --> 00:04:54,211 MARK: His mom grew up on The Old-Time Gospel Hour, 100 00:04:54,211 --> 00:04:56,588 courtesy of Jerry Falwell Sr. 101 00:04:56,588 --> 00:04:58,090 She was very religious. 102 00:04:58,090 --> 00:05:00,008 She was a true believer. 103 00:05:00,634 --> 00:05:03,679 LILIA: As a child, he was always the social kid. 104 00:05:03,679 --> 00:05:05,681 He made friends everywhere he went. 105 00:05:06,390 --> 00:05:09,393 - I went to a Catholic high school called St. Brendan High School. 106 00:05:09,935 --> 00:05:12,020 LILIA: Once he got into the teen years, 107 00:05:12,020 --> 00:05:14,189 there was a little bit of a switch in him. 108 00:05:14,189 --> 00:05:15,941 He got really into video games. 109 00:05:15,941 --> 00:05:17,526 It was an addiction. 110 00:05:18,402 --> 00:05:21,113 GIANCARLO: Just spent an unhealthy amount of time playing video games. 111 00:05:21,113 --> 00:05:22,531 It became a problem. 112 00:05:22,531 --> 00:05:25,117 My personality just completely transformed. 113 00:05:25,117 --> 00:05:26,994 I started to isolate, withdraw. 114 00:05:26,994 --> 00:05:30,455 - He became introverted, antisocial. 115 00:05:31,206 --> 00:05:35,419 GIANCARLO: My ability to feel comfortable in a social setting was, uh, compromised. 116 00:05:35,419 --> 00:05:38,672 Like, I just-- I didn't wanna be out with friends. 117 00:05:38,672 --> 00:05:39,965 I didn't feel comfortable. 118 00:05:40,465 --> 00:05:41,842 LILIA: It was rough to experience 119 00:05:41,842 --> 00:05:43,802 'cause no one really knew how to handle it. 120 00:05:44,595 --> 00:05:45,846 GIANCARLO: My parents, my sister, 121 00:05:45,846 --> 00:05:47,264 they were very supportive during that time. 122 00:05:47,264 --> 00:05:48,807 It was a dark period for me. 123 00:05:49,391 --> 00:05:52,603 - It was sad and-- and hard for all of us, especially my parents 124 00:05:52,603 --> 00:05:55,022 because they didn't really know how to handle it. 125 00:05:55,814 --> 00:05:59,693 GIANCARLO: After high school, I told myself, "I need to change my life," 126 00:05:59,693 --> 00:06:02,779 so I started eating healthy, started working out. 127 00:06:02,779 --> 00:06:04,948 But I was still that shy, reserved kid. 128 00:06:04,948 --> 00:06:06,742 I still had insecurities. 129 00:06:07,284 --> 00:06:10,037 I wanted to-- to work and experience life, 130 00:06:10,037 --> 00:06:12,289 and-- and actually, make money and save money. 131 00:06:13,582 --> 00:06:16,251 So I reached out to a friend that worked at the Fontainebleau Hotel. 132 00:06:18,295 --> 00:06:20,923 - That's when he really started coming out of his shell, 133 00:06:20,923 --> 00:06:23,300 dating girls, having a social life. 134 00:06:23,300 --> 00:06:24,134 He was doing good. 135 00:06:24,134 --> 00:06:27,846 He was excited about school, excited about his future. 136 00:06:27,846 --> 00:06:29,765 GIANCARLO: I worked at the Fontainebleau for one year. 137 00:06:29,765 --> 00:06:32,142 I was working full-time and going to school part-time. 138 00:06:32,142 --> 00:06:35,479 There's days where I was making, like, $200 to $500 a day in cash. 139 00:06:35,479 --> 00:06:37,189 It was pretty good for a 20-year-old. 140 00:06:37,189 --> 00:06:40,275 - From that dark time when he was, like, 15 141 00:06:40,275 --> 00:06:43,612 to where he was at now, like, it was just a different kid. 142 00:06:44,196 --> 00:06:48,951 MARK: When he started busting out, that was a whole new world for him. 143 00:06:48,951 --> 00:06:52,120 And he went off the deep end head-first. 144 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,123 ♪ 145 00:06:58,252 --> 00:07:00,462 GIANCARLO: After my shift, I'm driving home. 146 00:07:00,462 --> 00:07:02,130 I tell my sister what's gonna happen. 147 00:07:02,548 --> 00:07:04,258 - This is a terrible idea. 148 00:07:04,258 --> 00:07:05,259 Like, this is weird. 149 00:07:05,259 --> 00:07:07,135 Who are these people? Where are they from? 150 00:07:07,135 --> 00:07:11,515 Are they just here in Miami just to do sexual escapades? 151 00:07:12,516 --> 00:07:14,643 - She's like, "Oh, this doesn't sound like a good idea." 152 00:07:15,352 --> 00:07:17,229 - There's only so much I could tell him. 153 00:07:17,229 --> 00:07:19,565 Like, once he makes up his mind and is gonna do something, 154 00:07:19,565 --> 00:07:20,399 he's gonna do it. 155 00:07:20,399 --> 00:07:21,650 - I probably should've listened to her. 156 00:07:21,650 --> 00:07:23,652 ♪ 157 00:07:25,028 --> 00:07:26,989 - That's been our relationship our entire lives. 158 00:07:26,989 --> 00:07:29,533 Like, if you'd just listened to me from the beginning, 159 00:07:29,533 --> 00:07:31,785 your life would be a lot easier. 160 00:07:34,246 --> 00:07:36,957 GIANCARLO: That night, I get a phone call from a blocked private number, 161 00:07:37,583 --> 00:07:39,084 and, uh, it was the woman. 162 00:07:39,626 --> 00:07:43,338 She said, "We rented a hotel room at the Days Inn just around the block." 163 00:07:43,338 --> 00:07:45,007 They didn't wanna do it at the Fontainebleau 164 00:07:45,007 --> 00:07:46,175 'cause their kids were staying there. 165 00:07:46,175 --> 00:07:49,595 ♪ 166 00:07:49,595 --> 00:07:51,096 LILIA: My brother calls me on his way 167 00:07:51,096 --> 00:07:53,724 so someone knew what he was doing and where he was going. 168 00:07:53,724 --> 00:07:58,145 In case things got weird, someone knew where to go to get him. 169 00:08:01,732 --> 00:08:03,650 GIANCARLO: I walk into the-- to the lobby. 170 00:08:03,650 --> 00:08:06,361 I'm nervous. I'm like, "What the hell am I doing?" 171 00:08:07,112 --> 00:08:10,782 Again, this is a very stupid scenario I got myself into. 172 00:08:10,782 --> 00:08:12,826 And I'm trying to talk myself out of it, 173 00:08:12,826 --> 00:08:15,078 but then, I'm also thinking, "Eh, who cares? I'll just do this." 174 00:08:15,662 --> 00:08:17,039 I was a horny 20-year-old. 175 00:08:18,332 --> 00:08:21,168 Uh, there-- There really is no other explanation other than that. 176 00:08:22,419 --> 00:08:24,796 MARK: This guy was as green as they come. 177 00:08:24,796 --> 00:08:27,007 He never even had a high school girlfriend. 178 00:08:27,758 --> 00:08:29,676 GIANCARLO: She's sitting there on the couch. 179 00:08:29,676 --> 00:08:30,928 I sit down. I'm nervous. 180 00:08:30,928 --> 00:08:34,264 She's like, "Hey, I'm Becki. Take this to-- to calm down." 181 00:08:35,098 --> 00:08:36,308 She told me that, 182 00:08:36,308 --> 00:08:39,686 "The night before, we were at a swingers club called Miami Velvet." 183 00:08:40,604 --> 00:08:41,855 I'm like, "Oh, shit." 184 00:08:42,439 --> 00:08:45,025 "No, that's not our thing, it's too public. 185 00:08:45,025 --> 00:08:46,360 "We want something more private. 186 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,821 "We were looking around for other people, and you were perfect." 187 00:08:50,906 --> 00:08:53,283 She stroked my inner thigh. 188 00:08:53,951 --> 00:08:55,744 She did a very good job at seducing me. 189 00:08:57,913 --> 00:08:59,873 And the Jack Daniels definitely helped. 190 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,128 And she said, "All right, let's just go up to the room." 191 00:09:05,128 --> 00:09:07,130 I'm like, "All right. Shit, let's do it." 192 00:09:07,130 --> 00:09:10,133 ♪ 193 00:09:11,134 --> 00:09:13,136 It's a small hotel room. There's two beds. 194 00:09:14,346 --> 00:09:17,349 As I walk in, it's just her husband, 195 00:09:17,349 --> 00:09:20,394 he's laying on the bed, jeans are unzipped. 196 00:09:20,394 --> 00:09:21,436 He's having a drink, 197 00:09:21,436 --> 00:09:24,106 kinda giggling to himself 'cause he-- he's excited. 198 00:09:25,190 --> 00:09:28,527 We did small talk, trying to just get comfortable with each other. 199 00:09:28,527 --> 00:09:30,237 I told the husband, I'm like, 200 00:09:30,237 --> 00:09:32,656 "Hey, if you get jealous, or you don't like this 201 00:09:32,656 --> 00:09:33,907 "and you-- you don't want me here, 202 00:09:33,907 --> 00:09:35,742 just let me know and I'll walk out, no problem." 203 00:09:35,742 --> 00:09:37,870 "Oh, no. Don't worry about it. Just go for it. 204 00:09:37,870 --> 00:09:40,873 I'm gonna sit right here, and, uh, you guys do your thing." 205 00:09:40,873 --> 00:09:43,792 We start kissing, we were feeling each other up. 206 00:09:43,792 --> 00:09:45,961 And then she said, "Anything but. 207 00:09:45,961 --> 00:09:49,256 No penetration, no actual sex, just oral sex." 208 00:09:50,257 --> 00:09:53,135 We're kissing, and, you know, we go back to the bed. 209 00:09:55,262 --> 00:09:56,263 Oh, shit, I don't-- 210 00:09:57,139 --> 00:09:59,308 Yeah, it's-- Ev-- Ev-- Whenever I think of it, 211 00:09:59,308 --> 00:10:01,602 I just-- I cringe at the thought of it but... 212 00:10:01,602 --> 00:10:04,938 ♪ 213 00:10:07,107 --> 00:10:10,068 The husband gets up, and I get-- I get a little nervous. 214 00:10:10,068 --> 00:10:12,070 I'm like, "What is he doing behind me?" 215 00:10:12,070 --> 00:10:14,031 Uh, but he goes to the corner of the room. 216 00:10:14,823 --> 00:10:19,953 He took off his jeans and then he just started, uh, jacking off. 217 00:10:19,953 --> 00:10:22,372 MARK: Let's talk about cuck theory. 218 00:10:22,372 --> 00:10:25,417 Ultimately, it's a guy who likes to watch. 219 00:10:26,043 --> 00:10:28,587 "I'm fulfilled on a sexual level 220 00:10:28,587 --> 00:10:31,798 by watching my wife with a Cuban stallion." 221 00:10:31,798 --> 00:10:34,468 GIANCARLO: I kept looking back, and I saw him, like, in the corner. 222 00:10:34,468 --> 00:10:35,302 He was trying to hide. 223 00:10:35,302 --> 00:10:37,888 He didn't want himself being exposed or anything. 224 00:10:37,888 --> 00:10:40,516 He just wanted to observe the situation. 225 00:10:41,183 --> 00:10:42,559 I wish the husband wasn't there. 226 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,061 That would've been a better situation. 227 00:10:44,061 --> 00:10:45,646 That's what I was telling myself at the time. 228 00:10:45,646 --> 00:10:47,189 As a horny 20-year-old, 229 00:10:47,189 --> 00:10:50,317 I'm like, "I'm gonna block this out, I'm gonna have sex with this cougar." 230 00:10:51,068 --> 00:10:52,819 Instantly, like, there was this connection. 231 00:10:52,819 --> 00:10:54,071 She was staring at me. 232 00:10:54,071 --> 00:10:56,740 I could tell that she obviously wanted to do this again. 233 00:10:57,324 --> 00:11:00,327 ♪ 234 00:11:02,579 --> 00:11:05,415 The next day, we hung out again at the Fontainebleau. 235 00:11:05,832 --> 00:11:08,043 I knew what I was getting myself into at that point. 236 00:11:09,253 --> 00:11:10,671 After we finished, 237 00:11:11,672 --> 00:11:13,465 we actually hung out and we talked. 238 00:11:13,465 --> 00:11:16,468 And they said what their names were, you know, Jerry and Becki. 239 00:11:16,468 --> 00:11:18,345 "Wow, nice to meet you guys." 240 00:11:20,222 --> 00:11:23,100 They said that they help out a lot of young people, 241 00:11:23,100 --> 00:11:25,644 and if I ever need help that they can definitely help me out. 242 00:11:26,854 --> 00:11:28,897 We were talking about politics. 243 00:11:28,897 --> 00:11:31,024 We had, you know, common beliefs. 244 00:11:31,024 --> 00:11:33,110 I-- I was raised Republican. 245 00:11:33,110 --> 00:11:36,238 I remember Becki said, "He's perfect." 246 00:11:37,197 --> 00:11:38,949 It was nice connecting with them 247 00:11:38,949 --> 00:11:41,118 and just humanizing the situation. 248 00:11:41,118 --> 00:11:42,536 It wasn't just these strangers anymore. 249 00:11:43,662 --> 00:11:45,038 After they left Miami, 250 00:11:45,038 --> 00:11:47,291 she gave me a really good review on Tripadvisor. 251 00:11:48,667 --> 00:11:49,710 I didn't have her last name. 252 00:11:49,710 --> 00:11:51,128 I didn't really know who they were, 253 00:11:51,128 --> 00:11:53,839 until I-- I got an email on March 22nd. 254 00:11:54,339 --> 00:11:56,049 And it actually came from Jerry. 255 00:11:56,049 --> 00:11:59,303 It was a picture of us that we took at the Fontainebleau Hotel. 256 00:11:59,303 --> 00:12:01,054 There's a picture with me and Becki, 257 00:12:01,054 --> 00:12:02,723 and then one with Jerry. 258 00:12:02,723 --> 00:12:06,101 He sent the email saying, "Becki wanted me to send this to you." 259 00:12:06,101 --> 00:12:10,439 - Immediately, I was like, "Who?" 260 00:12:10,439 --> 00:12:12,399 - And she's like, "Oh, Jerry Falwell?" 261 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:13,734 She-- She recognized the name. 262 00:12:13,734 --> 00:12:17,154 She's like, "Isn't that, like, the famous pastor, preacher?" 263 00:12:17,154 --> 00:12:18,363 - Wait a minute. Hold on. 264 00:12:18,363 --> 00:12:22,993 This cannot be the same people that I'm thinking about right now. 265 00:12:22,993 --> 00:12:24,786 - And I'm like, "I-- I honestly don't even know." 266 00:12:26,038 --> 00:12:27,456 So I ended up googling him. 267 00:12:29,541 --> 00:12:32,377 - Becki, would you stand in your Liberty Flames dress? 268 00:12:32,377 --> 00:12:34,379 [crowd cheering] 269 00:12:35,672 --> 00:12:37,841 I think it's very fitting that she's wearing that dress 270 00:12:37,841 --> 00:12:40,302 because I believe she's the hottest first lady 271 00:12:40,302 --> 00:12:41,887 of any college in the country. 272 00:12:41,887 --> 00:12:43,889 [crowd cheering] 273 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,017 GIANCARLO: "Oh, so he's the President of Liberty University." 274 00:12:47,017 --> 00:12:49,603 I didn't know what Liberty University was, never heard of it. 275 00:12:50,771 --> 00:12:52,105 ♪ L-U ♪ 276 00:12:52,105 --> 00:12:53,398 ♪ I can't hear you ♪ 277 00:12:53,398 --> 00:12:55,067 ♪ L-U ♪ 278 00:12:55,067 --> 00:12:56,235 ♪ Turn it up, turn it up... ♪ 279 00:12:56,235 --> 00:12:58,570 - Liberty University is a one-of-a-kind school 280 00:12:58,570 --> 00:13:00,113 in Lynchburg, Virginia. 281 00:13:00,113 --> 00:13:03,283 It's a nonprofit Christian university, 282 00:13:03,283 --> 00:13:06,578 where both students and faculty practice what they preach. 283 00:13:06,578 --> 00:13:08,121 ♪ 154 students, man ♪ 284 00:13:08,121 --> 00:13:09,164 ♪ How could they manage? ♪ 285 00:13:09,164 --> 00:13:11,542 ♪ Now, we the biggest Christian university on the planet... ♪ 286 00:13:12,042 --> 00:13:14,044 GIANCARLO: I knew immediately that they were successful, 287 00:13:14,044 --> 00:13:17,798 and then I started learning that they were not just successful and had money, 288 00:13:17,798 --> 00:13:19,842 but they were powerful and well-connected. 289 00:13:19,842 --> 00:13:23,470 - My father founded Thomas Road Baptist Church in 1956. 290 00:13:23,470 --> 00:13:25,514 It is now located next door to campus. 291 00:13:25,514 --> 00:13:26,765 - Good morning. 292 00:13:26,765 --> 00:13:29,226 And I welcome you to the morning service 293 00:13:29,226 --> 00:13:33,313 at the Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg, Virginia. 294 00:13:33,313 --> 00:13:35,732 - The church services were broadcast nationally 295 00:13:35,732 --> 00:13:37,609 in the 1970s and '80s. 296 00:13:37,609 --> 00:13:39,403 REPORTER: TV preacher, Dr. Jerry Falwell, 297 00:13:39,403 --> 00:13:41,363 whose doctorate is honorary, not earned, 298 00:13:41,363 --> 00:13:46,493 turned a small Virginia church of 35 into a Christians communications empire. 299 00:13:46,493 --> 00:13:49,538 Falwell preaches to a church of 4,000 each Sunday, 300 00:13:49,538 --> 00:13:51,623 with a TV audience of 20 million. 301 00:13:51,623 --> 00:13:53,750 JERRY FALWELL SR.: I believe these are the last days. 302 00:13:53,750 --> 00:13:55,794 What is the thing that interests God the most? 303 00:13:55,794 --> 00:13:57,713 Getting people ready for his coming, 304 00:13:57,713 --> 00:14:00,299 getting people ready for the sounding of the cross. 305 00:14:00,299 --> 00:14:03,427 - He founded Liberty University in 1971. 306 00:14:03,427 --> 00:14:05,846 REPORTER: A school for 50,000 students, 307 00:14:05,846 --> 00:14:09,183 from kindergarten right through a doctoral program. 308 00:14:09,183 --> 00:14:11,560 - We have what we think is a boot camp here for the Lord, 309 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:13,478 training soldiers for Christ. 310 00:14:13,478 --> 00:14:15,647 - He founded Moral Majority a few years later. 311 00:14:15,647 --> 00:14:20,110 Moral Majority was a coalition that shared pro-life and pro-family values. 312 00:14:20,110 --> 00:14:22,196 - One man for one woman for one lifetime. 313 00:14:22,196 --> 00:14:23,780 It's called the traditional family. 314 00:14:23,780 --> 00:14:25,240 It's worked for 6,000 years. 315 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,034 - Many credited Moral Majority 316 00:14:27,034 --> 00:14:29,620 with the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980. 317 00:14:29,620 --> 00:14:32,331 GIANCARLO: I told Jerry, "I found out more about your dad. 318 00:14:36,084 --> 00:14:37,711 "I read about what he would say, 319 00:14:37,711 --> 00:14:41,048 blaming, uh, 9/11 on homosexuals." 320 00:14:41,048 --> 00:14:44,593 - The abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians, 321 00:14:44,593 --> 00:14:46,011 all of them, 322 00:14:46,011 --> 00:14:47,221 you helped this happen. 323 00:14:47,221 --> 00:14:50,807 - "Honestly, if you wanna know my opinion, I think your dad was a piece of shit." 324 00:14:51,225 --> 00:14:53,936 He's like, "Eh, you know, yeah, a lot of people think that. 325 00:14:53,936 --> 00:14:56,188 But I'm completely different. I'm not like my dad." 326 00:14:56,188 --> 00:14:58,774 He said, "I'm a business guy, and I see the future," 327 00:14:58,774 --> 00:14:59,566 and I liked that. 328 00:15:00,359 --> 00:15:03,612 MARK: The Falwells are the Southern Gatsbys. 329 00:15:03,612 --> 00:15:06,532 They're wealthy and they're sloppy as fuck. 330 00:15:06,532 --> 00:15:08,283 - How old was Becki when you guys met? 331 00:15:08,283 --> 00:15:09,952 Uh, some of our freshmen don't know this story. 332 00:15:09,952 --> 00:15:11,995 - No, we don't need to get on that story. 333 00:15:11,995 --> 00:15:14,248 JERRY JR.: She was 13 and I was 18 when I met her. 334 00:15:14,248 --> 00:15:16,875 BECKI: All right, let's not get, um-- So, Candace. [laughs] 335 00:15:17,793 --> 00:15:21,547 Hey, girls, let's take a look at the ring on Candace's finger, by the way. 336 00:15:21,547 --> 00:15:22,881 - I think it's 13 carats, 337 00:15:22,881 --> 00:15:24,633 the same age that you were, Becki, when you guys met. 338 00:15:24,633 --> 00:15:25,843 [crowd cheering] 339 00:15:25,843 --> 00:15:28,595 MEGAN K. STACK: Becki grew up in North Carolina. 340 00:15:28,595 --> 00:15:30,931 They were a religious family. 341 00:15:30,931 --> 00:15:34,560 She told me that her father was in timber. 342 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,396 I later found out her father was in trailer parks, 343 00:15:37,396 --> 00:15:39,940 and went to prison for tax evasion. 344 00:15:39,940 --> 00:15:42,067 - Becki, tell 'em how you proposed to me. 345 00:15:43,110 --> 00:15:47,781 - Falwell Jr. went to Liberty University with Becki's older sister. 346 00:15:47,781 --> 00:15:49,575 - Yeah, I proposed to Jerry. 347 00:15:49,575 --> 00:15:53,954 He had finished law school, and he had taken the bar exam. 348 00:15:54,913 --> 00:15:57,541 MEGAN: She dropped out of Liberty to support Jerry, 349 00:15:57,541 --> 00:15:59,877 who was down at the University of Virginia. 350 00:15:59,877 --> 00:16:02,296 - And I said, "Can we get married now?" 351 00:16:02,296 --> 00:16:03,297 And he said, "Yes." 352 00:16:04,131 --> 00:16:06,758 MEGAN: Becki said to me, with sort of embarrassment, 353 00:16:06,758 --> 00:16:09,386 "Oh, we had the most boring wedding of anybody ever. 354 00:16:09,386 --> 00:16:13,182 There was no drinking alcohol. There was no dancing. It was just awful." 355 00:16:13,765 --> 00:16:16,101 MARK: And they popped out three kids, 356 00:16:16,101 --> 00:16:18,770 Trey, Wesley, and Caroline. 357 00:16:18,770 --> 00:16:19,771 MEGAN: These are two people 358 00:16:19,771 --> 00:16:23,817 who have, for a long time, been and remain very much in love. 359 00:16:23,817 --> 00:16:25,986 I don't see any daylight between them. 360 00:16:25,986 --> 00:16:29,156 They're just extremely intertwined, psychologically and emotionally. 361 00:16:29,156 --> 00:16:32,117 It's very unusual to come across a married couple like that. 362 00:16:32,117 --> 00:16:34,620 JERRY JR.: My father, he would tell his congregation, 363 00:16:35,329 --> 00:16:37,873 "Don't get mad when people tell lies about you, 364 00:16:37,873 --> 00:16:40,542 just be glad they don't know the truth." So. 365 00:16:40,542 --> 00:16:41,543 [audience laughing] 366 00:16:41,543 --> 00:16:44,171 MEGAN: In some ways, Jerry was a black sheep. 367 00:16:44,171 --> 00:16:49,510 A son who was not able to access the kind of religious fervor 368 00:16:49,510 --> 00:16:53,472 that defined his father and that was going to define his family. 369 00:16:54,056 --> 00:16:57,100 - Jerry Jr. had not been a conventional evangelical. 370 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:59,353 He believed that his role to support the ministry 371 00:16:59,353 --> 00:17:00,312 would be in business. 372 00:17:00,812 --> 00:17:03,273 MEGAN: He did set out doing real estate law 373 00:17:03,273 --> 00:17:05,776 and not working with his father. 374 00:17:05,776 --> 00:17:10,364 He came back to help get the university out of financial distress. 375 00:17:10,364 --> 00:17:13,200 JERRY JR.: I spent many days negotiating with creditors 376 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:17,204 and spent many weekends begging and borrowing from donors and lenders 377 00:17:17,204 --> 00:17:19,414 to cover the paychecks that had already been issued 378 00:17:19,414 --> 00:17:20,791 on the Friday before. 379 00:17:20,791 --> 00:17:25,254 DUSTIN WAHL: Falwell Jr. was never a good fit to be in a public-facing role. 380 00:17:25,254 --> 00:17:28,298 It wasn't something that he sought out and asked for. 381 00:17:28,298 --> 00:17:30,300 He inherited it when his father passed away. 382 00:17:30,717 --> 00:17:32,719 MEGAN: He was a hero to Liberty, financially. 383 00:17:32,719 --> 00:17:35,973 It brought Jerry Falwell money. It brought him power. 384 00:17:35,973 --> 00:17:38,684 It gave him the tacit approval of his father, 385 00:17:38,684 --> 00:17:40,143 even after his father's death. 386 00:17:40,894 --> 00:17:43,021 MARK: If you're part of this dynasty, 387 00:17:43,021 --> 00:17:46,149 then you can do whatever the fuck you want, 388 00:17:46,149 --> 00:17:48,527 and that couple did it to the hilt. 389 00:17:48,902 --> 00:17:51,530 [indistinct chatter] 390 00:17:51,530 --> 00:17:56,201 DUSTIN: He was beloved by a lot of students for his quirkiness. 391 00:17:56,952 --> 00:17:59,121 People didn't treat him like he was the spokesperson 392 00:17:59,121 --> 00:18:03,834 for one of the largest Christian and Conservative institutions in the world. 393 00:18:03,834 --> 00:18:06,795 People treated him like he was a cartoon character, 394 00:18:06,795 --> 00:18:08,213 or their crazy uncle. 395 00:18:08,213 --> 00:18:10,799 He realized that that familiarity students felt with him 396 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:12,217 gave him a lot of power. 397 00:18:12,217 --> 00:18:15,220 [crowd cheering] 398 00:18:16,221 --> 00:18:17,598 LILIA: What my brother did 399 00:18:17,598 --> 00:18:20,225 was with almost like the first family 400 00:18:20,225 --> 00:18:23,854 of, like, the evangelical Christianity Church. 401 00:18:27,024 --> 00:18:29,776 ♪ 402 00:18:29,776 --> 00:18:30,777 GIANCARLO: Becki calls me, 403 00:18:30,777 --> 00:18:34,281 and she says they got a hotel at the Cheeca Resort in the Keys. 404 00:18:36,992 --> 00:18:38,160 This trip was different 405 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,622 because I wasn't just meeting them and going back home. 406 00:18:41,622 --> 00:18:43,582 I'm actually gonna stay there for the weekend. 407 00:18:43,582 --> 00:18:45,751 I remember driving down to Cheeca, 408 00:18:45,751 --> 00:18:47,461 I'm like, "Wait, we're gonna be in the same room. 409 00:18:47,461 --> 00:18:48,921 Where's Jerry gonna be?" 410 00:18:50,380 --> 00:18:52,257 Uh, so that was-- that was a concern. 411 00:18:52,257 --> 00:18:53,926 The sleeping arrangement was, 412 00:18:53,926 --> 00:18:56,053 I slept on the bed with Becki 413 00:18:56,053 --> 00:18:59,097 and, you know, Jerry slept, uh, next to the bed. 414 00:18:59,973 --> 00:19:02,893 Which, you know, thinking back, it's kind of strange. 415 00:19:03,977 --> 00:19:06,021 It was, I don't know, like 5:00 in the morning, 416 00:19:06,021 --> 00:19:07,981 and I just-- I randomly woke up, 417 00:19:07,981 --> 00:19:10,734 and I look over to the side and Becki's just staring at me. 418 00:19:12,069 --> 00:19:13,570 She has these dark black eyes. 419 00:19:14,238 --> 00:19:15,948 I obviously kept hooking up with her, 420 00:19:15,948 --> 00:19:17,783 but, you know, I'm like, "This is kinda weird." 421 00:19:17,783 --> 00:19:19,701 I'm like-- I was startled by it. 422 00:19:20,369 --> 00:19:22,663 ♪ 423 00:19:22,663 --> 00:19:26,416 MARK: The dynamic of the relationship outside of the sex, 424 00:19:26,416 --> 00:19:28,210 he liked being around them. 425 00:19:28,210 --> 00:19:32,256 Jerry had the business acumen, he was kind of a goofball. 426 00:19:32,256 --> 00:19:36,885 And Becki Falwell was Giancarlo Granda's warm bathwater. 427 00:19:36,885 --> 00:19:38,095 She held his hand. 428 00:19:39,012 --> 00:19:41,598 - When we're talking, it-- it just felt natural. 429 00:19:41,598 --> 00:19:44,226 We really connected 'cause we would talk about business, 430 00:19:44,226 --> 00:19:45,602 how he was a real estate attorney, 431 00:19:45,602 --> 00:19:47,187 how he developed real estate. 432 00:19:47,187 --> 00:19:48,897 And he would tell me about Liberty University, 433 00:19:48,897 --> 00:19:51,608 how, you know, they were doing over $100 million 434 00:19:51,608 --> 00:19:52,901 in construction projects. 435 00:19:53,402 --> 00:19:55,112 LILIA: You go to Lynchburg, Virginia, 436 00:19:55,112 --> 00:19:56,822 and they own half of the real estate in that town. 437 00:19:56,822 --> 00:19:58,532 He was impressed by them. 438 00:19:58,532 --> 00:20:00,534 - Your ego is being stroked, 439 00:20:00,534 --> 00:20:05,289 and you have Becki on one hand telling him how beautiful he was, 440 00:20:05,289 --> 00:20:07,708 and then you get Jerry telling him, 441 00:20:07,708 --> 00:20:10,210 "You're a bright kid, and I like your thinking." 442 00:20:10,794 --> 00:20:14,006 - After the Cheeca trip, we're talking on the phone every day 443 00:20:14,006 --> 00:20:15,007 and texting every day. 444 00:20:15,007 --> 00:20:16,175 She became my girlfriend. 445 00:20:16,175 --> 00:20:19,178 ♪ 446 00:20:23,390 --> 00:20:25,976 MARK: Becki was texting him 24/7. 447 00:20:25,976 --> 00:20:30,564 They didn't end a day without at least one hour on the phone. 448 00:20:33,066 --> 00:20:36,320 - She's really making an effort to maintain this relationship. 449 00:20:36,737 --> 00:20:39,114 MEGAN: She said, finally she met somebody, 450 00:20:39,114 --> 00:20:42,284 and she felt that she was having an adventure. 451 00:20:42,284 --> 00:20:43,535 She was having an affair. 452 00:20:43,535 --> 00:20:46,788 She was living this carefree, youthful lifestyle 453 00:20:46,788 --> 00:20:49,291 that she never got to experience when she was young. 454 00:20:49,958 --> 00:20:52,753 GIANCARLO: Becki was the first woman outside of my family, 455 00:20:52,753 --> 00:20:54,254 uh, to say, "I love you." 456 00:20:54,254 --> 00:20:56,048 This is three weeks after meeting 'em. 457 00:20:56,048 --> 00:20:57,508 I'm like... 458 00:20:59,384 --> 00:21:02,262 MARK: He's a kid, he doesn't know what love is. 459 00:21:02,262 --> 00:21:05,140 And this is where it became dangerous down the line. 460 00:21:05,140 --> 00:21:09,102 But in the beginning, it's like, "Whoa, I'm being lavished with attention. 461 00:21:09,102 --> 00:21:11,355 "She wants to do it again? 462 00:21:11,939 --> 00:21:15,776 Which exotic locale are we going to now?" 463 00:21:15,776 --> 00:21:17,361 ♪ 464 00:21:17,361 --> 00:21:19,446 GIANCARLO: Shortly after the Cheeca trip, 465 00:21:19,446 --> 00:21:21,615 they invited me to New York. 466 00:21:21,615 --> 00:21:23,033 They were gonna go there for business. 467 00:21:23,033 --> 00:21:24,117 And they're like, "Hey, come over 468 00:21:24,117 --> 00:21:26,537 and we can discuss how we can become business partners." 469 00:21:27,037 --> 00:21:29,164 So I meet them, and I stayed the weekend with them. 470 00:21:30,290 --> 00:21:32,876 We stayed at the Gansevoort Hotel on Park Avenue. 471 00:21:32,876 --> 00:21:34,670 We're at dinner at STK, 472 00:21:34,670 --> 00:21:37,714 and I was really worried that someone was gonna discover us 473 00:21:37,714 --> 00:21:39,967 and it's gonna end up in the tabloids. 474 00:21:39,967 --> 00:21:41,802 We're looking through the dessert menu, 475 00:21:41,802 --> 00:21:45,055 and Becki spotted the Carnival Menage A Trois. 476 00:21:45,055 --> 00:21:47,015 And she was like, "Oh, let's get this." 477 00:21:47,432 --> 00:21:49,685 And I-- I remember just feeling awkward 478 00:21:49,685 --> 00:21:52,479 when she ordered the Carnival Menage A Trois. 479 00:21:54,398 --> 00:21:57,150 Like, they're not being subtle about this. 480 00:21:57,568 --> 00:21:59,778 But after dinner, we're talking, 481 00:21:59,778 --> 00:22:02,573 and that's when he said, "You need to make money yourself. 482 00:22:02,573 --> 00:22:06,410 "With my past in real estate, it's a great way to build wealth. 483 00:22:06,410 --> 00:22:09,913 "We'll acquire a property and we'll give you an equity stake in it. 484 00:22:09,913 --> 00:22:11,415 "You just have to manage it. 485 00:22:11,415 --> 00:22:13,208 "And then, you know, when you make your first million, 486 00:22:13,208 --> 00:22:14,543 "we'll all drink champagne together 487 00:22:14,543 --> 00:22:16,003 and life is gonna be great." 488 00:22:18,046 --> 00:22:21,633 Deep down, I always wanted to invest in real estate. 489 00:22:21,633 --> 00:22:22,968 I wanted to get in the game. 490 00:22:22,968 --> 00:22:23,969 I'm like, "This is it!" 491 00:22:25,053 --> 00:22:28,056 - I thought, "Well, maybe they can help him in some way, 492 00:22:28,056 --> 00:22:31,518 "and however weird this thing started, 493 00:22:31,518 --> 00:22:33,145 maybe it'll turn into something good." 494 00:22:33,145 --> 00:22:35,105 They did what they wanted to do, 495 00:22:35,105 --> 00:22:36,315 everyone had their fun, 496 00:22:36,315 --> 00:22:39,276 and now let's go and be... adults. 497 00:22:40,027 --> 00:22:42,446 GIANCARLO: But Jerry quickly wanted to cut to, 498 00:22:42,446 --> 00:22:45,032 "Hey, let's go back to the hotel room and do what we have to do." 499 00:22:45,657 --> 00:22:46,700 ♪ Yeah ♪ 500 00:22:46,700 --> 00:22:48,827 ♪ Woman got a big ol' ass and bow legs... ♪ 501 00:22:48,827 --> 00:22:51,538 GIANCARLO: Becki, she said, "I have some good news. 502 00:22:52,247 --> 00:22:53,498 We can go all the way this time." 503 00:22:54,249 --> 00:22:55,876 They were both ready for me. 504 00:22:55,876 --> 00:22:57,586 They both felt comfortable with me. 505 00:22:57,586 --> 00:22:59,463 ♪ 'Cause we gon' fuck tonight ♪ 506 00:22:59,463 --> 00:23:00,672 ♪ My dick is getting rock hard... ♪ 507 00:23:00,672 --> 00:23:03,550 - They thought it was the right time to actually go forward with it. 508 00:23:03,550 --> 00:23:04,676 ♪ Gonna be some fuckin' tonight ♪ 509 00:23:04,676 --> 00:23:06,136 ♪ Take your panties off ♪ 510 00:23:06,136 --> 00:23:08,472 ♪ Moving things off to the side... ♪ 511 00:23:08,472 --> 00:23:09,598 - And there's no holding back anymore. 512 00:23:10,098 --> 00:23:12,017 ♪ Is we gon' fuck tonight ♪ 513 00:23:12,017 --> 00:23:13,101 ♪ Yeah... ♪ 514 00:23:13,101 --> 00:23:16,480 MARK: As the relationship grew and it intensified, 515 00:23:18,190 --> 00:23:22,778 Jerry could sort of move out of that creepy corner that he was in. 516 00:23:25,572 --> 00:23:26,573 GIANCARLO: Jerry, you know, 517 00:23:26,573 --> 00:23:29,618 he went from just, you know, masturbating in the corner 518 00:23:29,618 --> 00:23:31,787 to whenever I would finish, 519 00:23:34,331 --> 00:23:36,667 he would go in, uh, for round two. 520 00:23:38,669 --> 00:23:40,754 MEGAN: They were both kind of looking for these things 521 00:23:40,754 --> 00:23:43,924 that weren't actually available to them within their religious community. 522 00:23:43,924 --> 00:23:47,010 Granda is part of that desire that they shared. 523 00:23:47,010 --> 00:23:48,804 MARK: He was that element of kink 524 00:23:48,804 --> 00:23:53,225 that they needed for them to become closer, if you will. 525 00:23:55,102 --> 00:23:57,521 GIANCARLO: Fast forward, I'm back in Miami looking for properties. 526 00:23:57,521 --> 00:23:59,648 I actually started driving around by myself. 527 00:23:59,648 --> 00:24:01,275 I narrowed it down to Miami Beach. 528 00:24:02,442 --> 00:24:03,443 - What is happening? 529 00:24:03,443 --> 00:24:05,571 What do you know about any of this? 530 00:24:05,571 --> 00:24:06,905 Like, you're 20. 531 00:24:06,905 --> 00:24:09,283 He was like, "I know, like, what I'm doing, 532 00:24:09,283 --> 00:24:10,534 "I know the right people. 533 00:24:10,534 --> 00:24:12,202 Like, we're gonna get this done." 534 00:24:12,202 --> 00:24:16,707 And he relied on the Fernandezes. 535 00:24:16,707 --> 00:24:18,709 ♪ 536 00:24:18,709 --> 00:24:21,336 GIANCARLO: I reached out to a friend of mine at the time, 537 00:24:21,336 --> 00:24:22,546 Jesus Fernandez Jr. 538 00:24:22,546 --> 00:24:24,381 We called him Tito. That was his nickname. 539 00:24:24,381 --> 00:24:27,968 And his dad, Jesus Fernandez Sr., he was a broker. 540 00:24:27,968 --> 00:24:30,721 LILIA: Him and his dad are like your classic wannabe, 541 00:24:30,721 --> 00:24:32,681 just Miami bullshit artists. 542 00:24:32,681 --> 00:24:35,475 It never really made sense how he was friends with him, honestly. 543 00:24:35,475 --> 00:24:38,896 - I met Giancarlo through Jesus. 544 00:24:39,563 --> 00:24:43,984 Giancarlo and Jesus were kind of like best friends. 545 00:24:43,984 --> 00:24:47,279 I was Jesus' girlfriend, and I was very close with them. 546 00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:50,324 I mean, everybody changed in the five years that I dated Jesus, 547 00:24:50,324 --> 00:24:51,742 they kinda grew up. 548 00:24:52,284 --> 00:24:56,496 But Giancarlo did not strike me as having any street smarts. 549 00:24:56,496 --> 00:24:58,582 Nothing, not even an instinct. 550 00:24:58,582 --> 00:25:01,335 He doesn't really have a hustle spirit. 551 00:25:02,336 --> 00:25:05,923 Jesus was the street-smart hustler of the group. 552 00:25:07,174 --> 00:25:09,635 When I met him, I was absolutely under the impression 553 00:25:09,635 --> 00:25:11,178 that that was a wealthy family. 554 00:25:11,929 --> 00:25:14,598 MARK: Jesus Fernandez Sr. was, at one point, 555 00:25:14,598 --> 00:25:18,977 a big-time real estate investor and a broker. 556 00:25:18,977 --> 00:25:22,314 That family had lived the American Dream. 557 00:25:22,314 --> 00:25:24,858 NICOLE: The houses that they lived in were gorgeous. 558 00:25:25,442 --> 00:25:28,320 Unfortunately, none of them lasted long 559 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,990 before... the sheriff's department came. 560 00:25:34,201 --> 00:25:36,787 MARK: If you look at Jesus Sr.'s rap sheet, 561 00:25:36,787 --> 00:25:39,039 there was a major bankruptcy, 562 00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:41,041 there were allegations of fraud. 563 00:25:41,041 --> 00:25:44,378 The guy didn't even have a broker license anymore. 564 00:25:44,378 --> 00:25:47,923 None of this was disclosed to Giancarlo. 565 00:25:48,674 --> 00:25:49,883 GIANCARLO: By me reaching out to them 566 00:25:49,883 --> 00:25:52,177 and telling, "Hey, you're gonna get a commission from this," 567 00:25:52,177 --> 00:25:53,762 I felt like I was helping them out. 568 00:25:53,762 --> 00:25:56,765 ♪ 569 00:26:11,905 --> 00:26:16,243 NICOLE: I was an assistant general manager working at South Beach Hostel. 570 00:26:16,743 --> 00:26:20,414 I mean, in Miami, hostels, you build it and it's gonna be filled. 571 00:26:20,414 --> 00:26:23,166 It's like a fail-safe business. 572 00:26:32,676 --> 00:26:36,054 - Jesus knew the real estate side, I knew the hostel side, 573 00:26:36,054 --> 00:26:39,224 and Giancarlo had the financial backing. 574 00:26:39,224 --> 00:26:41,727 - I called Jerry, I said, "Hey, come down. 575 00:26:41,727 --> 00:26:44,897 I have some guys that are gonna find the best investment property." 576 00:26:45,606 --> 00:26:49,526 NICOLE: Jesus and Giancarlo, his father eventually found a property. 577 00:26:49,526 --> 00:26:51,361 It was Miami Hostel. 578 00:26:51,862 --> 00:26:56,200 The first floor had a restaurant and a liquor store. 579 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,036 GIANCARLO: It was just in the heart of South Beach, which is perfect. 580 00:26:59,036 --> 00:27:01,079 The land itself is very valuable. 581 00:27:01,747 --> 00:27:05,751 LILIA: Once the Fernandezes saw these evangelicals come down here, 582 00:27:05,751 --> 00:27:09,254 they probably saw, you know, just nothing but money signs everywhere. 583 00:27:10,172 --> 00:27:14,176 MARK: This is a guy from Lynchburg trying to do business in Miami. 584 00:27:14,176 --> 00:27:16,303 He didn't know where the fuck he was. 585 00:27:16,303 --> 00:27:19,097 They should've done diligence on these guys. 586 00:27:19,681 --> 00:27:22,476 NICOLE: I understood flying him places, 587 00:27:22,476 --> 00:27:25,270 but I have never heard of anybody 588 00:27:26,188 --> 00:27:28,774 buying some kid, that they met at the Fontainebleau pool, 589 00:27:28,774 --> 00:27:30,609 a four-and-a-half-million-dollar business. 590 00:27:30,609 --> 00:27:32,903 What the fuck? Like, what's going on? 591 00:27:34,071 --> 00:27:36,156 GIANCARLO: Tito and his dad were both very curious, 592 00:27:36,156 --> 00:27:38,325 and they were trying to find out what was going on. 593 00:27:38,325 --> 00:27:40,285 And they kept trying to get answers out of me. 594 00:27:40,285 --> 00:27:41,954 I'm like, "No, they just wanna help me out." 595 00:27:41,954 --> 00:27:43,497 Obviously, that didn't make sense. 596 00:27:43,497 --> 00:27:45,958 That-- That was just-- That was-- You know, it wasn't a good excuse. 597 00:27:46,416 --> 00:27:48,418 I think that they-- they were convinced there was more to it, 598 00:27:48,418 --> 00:27:49,878 and they were right, there was more to it. 599 00:27:50,754 --> 00:27:54,341 - Now you got the Fernandezes working Giancarlo, 600 00:27:54,341 --> 00:27:57,636 because they're smelling money, real money. 601 00:27:57,636 --> 00:27:59,847 The long con had already started. 602 00:27:59,847 --> 00:28:04,601 Who knew what a buddy fucker Jesus Fernandez turned out to be, right? 603 00:28:06,061 --> 00:28:08,897 LILIA: It was a few months for the deal to actually close. 604 00:28:09,398 --> 00:28:11,024 Throughout this process, 605 00:28:11,024 --> 00:28:16,071 my brother and Tito, their friendship started fracturing a bit. 606 00:28:16,864 --> 00:28:19,074 GIANCARLO: The Fernandezes received their commission 607 00:28:19,074 --> 00:28:20,284 on the sale of the property, 608 00:28:20,284 --> 00:28:22,744 and we didn't really talk much after that. 609 00:28:22,744 --> 00:28:24,204 It was just like, all right, the deal closed, 610 00:28:24,204 --> 00:28:25,873 and then they kind of just vanished. 611 00:28:26,540 --> 00:28:28,792 LILIA: Between the time that he met the Falwells 612 00:28:28,792 --> 00:28:32,045 to when they closed on that property was less than a year. 613 00:28:32,045 --> 00:28:33,797 - About 11 months after meeting them, 614 00:28:33,797 --> 00:28:37,176 we're closing on a 4.65-million-dollar commercial property. 615 00:28:37,801 --> 00:28:39,344 It just felt like I was living in a movie. 616 00:28:39,344 --> 00:28:40,596 It just didn't feel real. 617 00:28:40,596 --> 00:28:42,931 I'm like, "Why am I here? Why am I a part of this?" 618 00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:45,142 LILIA: Imagine the first property you own 619 00:28:45,142 --> 00:28:47,352 is a four-and-a-half-million-dollar property. 620 00:28:47,352 --> 00:28:49,813 GIANCARLO: I saw it as a big opportunity to learn, 621 00:28:49,813 --> 00:28:51,315 to grow within business. 622 00:28:51,315 --> 00:28:52,649 It was tough to turn down. 623 00:28:53,442 --> 00:28:55,319 - Okay, so how did the deal break down? 624 00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:57,154 Who was the principal in name? 625 00:28:57,154 --> 00:28:58,238 It wasn't Jerry. 626 00:28:58,238 --> 00:29:00,574 He didn't want his name anywhere near that deal 627 00:29:00,574 --> 00:29:02,367 with a 20-year-old pool boy, 628 00:29:02,367 --> 00:29:04,161 so he put it in Becki's name. 629 00:29:04,661 --> 00:29:06,872 - At this point, my dreams were coming true. 630 00:29:06,872 --> 00:29:08,874 I can see how I can make that first million. 631 00:29:08,874 --> 00:29:11,168 - How do you keep Giancarlo on a leash? 632 00:29:11,168 --> 00:29:13,003 Go into business with him. 633 00:29:13,003 --> 00:29:17,174 And Jerry was looking at keeping his wife happy at that point. 634 00:29:17,174 --> 00:29:18,675 Where she was happiest 635 00:29:18,675 --> 00:29:22,262 was when Giancarlo Granda was balls-deep inside of her. 636 00:29:24,431 --> 00:29:29,394 - So from March 2012 till about, like, June, June, July, 637 00:29:29,394 --> 00:29:32,231 you know, we had this sexual component with the relationship. 638 00:29:32,648 --> 00:29:33,482 I broke it off. 639 00:29:33,482 --> 00:29:35,150 I told Becki, I'm like, "We can't have sex anymore 640 00:29:35,150 --> 00:29:36,902 "'cause I found a girl my age. 641 00:29:36,902 --> 00:29:40,614 I wanna date her, I like her a lot. We obviously can't be doing this." 642 00:29:40,614 --> 00:29:42,115 She didn't take it very well. 643 00:29:42,115 --> 00:29:44,910 Becki cried. She made me feel guilty for it. 644 00:29:45,327 --> 00:29:47,204 "Oh, you replaced me for someone younger." 645 00:29:47,204 --> 00:29:49,706 She would tell me, "God put us together." 646 00:29:49,706 --> 00:29:53,210 I'm like, "I need to live my own life. I need to find someone my age." 647 00:29:53,210 --> 00:29:55,462 And then Jerry said, "Well, she doesn't have to know. 648 00:29:55,462 --> 00:29:56,380 We won't tell her." 649 00:29:56,380 --> 00:29:58,090 And I said, "No, I'm sorry, I just-- I can't. 650 00:29:58,090 --> 00:29:59,383 I-- I don't feel comfortable doing it." 651 00:29:59,383 --> 00:30:01,885 What I did agree to, and it's not-- it's not right, 652 00:30:01,885 --> 00:30:03,846 I continued the emotional connection. 653 00:30:03,846 --> 00:30:06,223 I kept texting her, I kept talking to her every day. 654 00:30:06,223 --> 00:30:07,850 I felt like I was living a double life. 655 00:30:09,685 --> 00:30:12,187 Becki, she would call me every day, she would text me every day. 656 00:30:12,187 --> 00:30:15,440 If I didn't respond to her right away, she would call me crying. 657 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,110 If I didn't respond for a couple days, then Jerry would call me. 658 00:30:18,110 --> 00:30:19,111 He was disappointed. 659 00:30:19,111 --> 00:30:21,238 He'd say, "Hey, what's going on? Like, she loves you so much. 660 00:30:21,238 --> 00:30:23,615 "Why are you trying to break away? She's been so nice to you. 661 00:30:23,615 --> 00:30:26,243 "And we're going to bat for you for this property. 662 00:30:26,243 --> 00:30:27,661 Why-- why break up now?" 663 00:30:28,245 --> 00:30:32,833 Things started slowly morphing into, "Oh, this is just sex and friendship," 664 00:30:32,833 --> 00:30:35,085 to "Now we're gonna control you." 665 00:30:36,295 --> 00:30:38,463 LILIA: Imagine how sick and twisted that is. 666 00:30:38,463 --> 00:30:43,218 Like, you're middle-aged people calling him, making him feel bad 667 00:30:43,218 --> 00:30:45,137 because he's not texting your wife? 668 00:30:45,137 --> 00:30:46,597 What the fuck is wrong with you? 669 00:30:46,597 --> 00:30:47,598 - So I had two options: 670 00:30:47,598 --> 00:30:49,808 I could just walk away and never talk to 'em again 671 00:30:49,808 --> 00:30:53,228 and lose out on this multi-million-dollar, uh, commercial property, 672 00:30:53,228 --> 00:30:55,147 or just trust them and see what happens. 673 00:30:56,064 --> 00:30:57,441 MARK: These are predators. 674 00:30:57,441 --> 00:31:02,237 Becki, she was addicted to the idea of being in love with this kid, 675 00:31:02,237 --> 00:31:04,198 and she was not gonna let go. 676 00:31:06,909 --> 00:31:09,161 ♪ 677 00:31:09,161 --> 00:31:11,121 GIANCARLO: One day, Becki texted me, 678 00:31:11,121 --> 00:31:14,583 "I was watching some video clips on my phone... Wow." 679 00:31:23,675 --> 00:31:25,886 At that moment, that just, like, set off an alarm. 680 00:31:25,886 --> 00:31:28,013 And that was the first time that I realized, 681 00:31:28,013 --> 00:31:29,973 "Oh, they were recording everything." 682 00:31:31,808 --> 00:31:34,686 I felt like it was a subtle hint as to, 683 00:31:34,686 --> 00:31:37,439 you know, "We got the goods on you too. Like, don't forget that." 684 00:31:37,940 --> 00:31:40,275 MARK: Jerry Falwell Jr., at the time, 685 00:31:40,275 --> 00:31:43,403 was everything that Giancarlo wanted to be. 686 00:31:43,403 --> 00:31:46,823 Giancarlo wanted all of this and they knew it. 687 00:31:46,823 --> 00:31:50,577 So they were using it as a method of control. 688 00:31:50,577 --> 00:31:52,955 "Hey, you know, have fun with your little girlfriend, 689 00:31:52,955 --> 00:31:54,289 but we own your ass." 690 00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:57,292 ♪ 691 00:32:07,511 --> 00:32:08,220 - You're fired. 692 00:32:09,096 --> 00:32:11,098 ♪ Money, money, money, money ♪ 693 00:32:11,098 --> 00:32:12,683 GIANCARLO: September 2012, 694 00:32:12,683 --> 00:32:15,227 Becki gives me a call saying, "Hey, do you wanna meet Donald Trump?" 695 00:32:15,227 --> 00:32:17,688 'Cause at the time, he wasn't who he is today. 696 00:32:17,688 --> 00:32:21,483 He wasn't running for president. He was just the star on The Apprentice. 697 00:32:21,483 --> 00:32:23,569 They knew that I liked Donald Trump, 698 00:32:23,569 --> 00:32:25,863 that I read his book, The Art of the Deal. 699 00:32:25,863 --> 00:32:27,948 LILIA: My brother loved business 700 00:32:27,948 --> 00:32:30,617 and thought Donald Trump was great, and so he was like-- 701 00:32:30,617 --> 00:32:31,618 - Yeah, absolutely! 702 00:32:32,744 --> 00:32:34,705 MARK: They were bringing him into a world 703 00:32:34,705 --> 00:32:37,040 that he couldn't even imagine. 704 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,962 "Real estate, politics, my future, everything is here." 705 00:32:42,546 --> 00:32:45,465 He had never in his life imagined 706 00:32:45,465 --> 00:32:49,344 being able to be allowed entrée into that world. 707 00:32:51,471 --> 00:32:54,391 GIANCARLO: I paid for the ticket from Miami to Lynchburg, 708 00:32:54,391 --> 00:32:55,976 then they put me at a hotel. 709 00:32:55,976 --> 00:32:58,312 But after a day, they're like, "Hey, you don't need to stay there actually. 710 00:32:58,312 --> 00:33:00,105 Just come stay with us at our house." 711 00:33:00,731 --> 00:33:03,025 It was the first time that I met their kids. 712 00:33:03,025 --> 00:33:05,277 I don't think they suspected anything at the moment. 713 00:33:05,277 --> 00:33:08,488 Jerry and Becki did tell the kids they were helping me out, 714 00:33:08,488 --> 00:33:12,242 that they wanna give me the opportunity to rise within business. 715 00:33:12,659 --> 00:33:16,371 Jerry was the leader of this Christian university, 716 00:33:16,371 --> 00:33:18,707 so they're around young adults. 717 00:33:19,374 --> 00:33:20,501 It's actually pretty reasonable. 718 00:33:20,501 --> 00:33:23,128 No one really asked why I was around. 719 00:33:23,128 --> 00:33:24,963 I just kind of blended right in. 720 00:33:26,423 --> 00:33:27,716 I was kind of expecting 721 00:33:27,716 --> 00:33:31,220 this weird Bible college in the middle of nowhere, 722 00:33:31,220 --> 00:33:34,389 but Liberty University is one of the nicest campuses I've seen. 723 00:33:35,641 --> 00:33:36,975 Jerry was very proud, 724 00:33:36,975 --> 00:33:40,562 and he mentioned that the endowment was about two billion dollars. 725 00:33:41,188 --> 00:33:45,234 Coming from Miami where you have people from all parts of the world, 726 00:33:45,234 --> 00:33:46,485 it's a melting pot, 727 00:33:46,485 --> 00:33:50,739 but what I did notice at Liberty, there weren't many Black students. 728 00:33:50,739 --> 00:33:53,325 It was mostly white evangelicals. 729 00:33:55,536 --> 00:33:58,830 MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.: Today, I want to say to the people of America 730 00:33:58,830 --> 00:34:00,457 and the nations of the world, 731 00:34:01,291 --> 00:34:03,418 we are not about to turn around. 732 00:34:04,586 --> 00:34:05,921 We are on the move now. 733 00:34:07,172 --> 00:34:10,926 Yes, we are on the move, and no wave of racism can stop us. 734 00:34:10,926 --> 00:34:12,678 [crowd clamoring] 735 00:34:12,678 --> 00:34:17,432 - March 1965 is a big turning point for many white evangelical pastors 736 00:34:17,432 --> 00:34:19,309 to understand that the world was changing. 737 00:34:19,309 --> 00:34:20,811 They would have to consider 738 00:34:20,811 --> 00:34:23,605 what side of that world that they wanted to be on. 739 00:34:23,605 --> 00:34:27,025 Would they be on the side of the Civil Rights Movement, 740 00:34:27,025 --> 00:34:29,778 or would they be on the side of white supremacy? 741 00:34:29,778 --> 00:34:31,822 And Jerry Falwell Sr. made a choice. 742 00:34:32,489 --> 00:34:35,951 JERRY SR.: I remember preaching a sermon justifying the segregationist position. 743 00:34:36,535 --> 00:34:39,204 One can make the Bible say almost anything he wants to make it say. 744 00:34:39,204 --> 00:34:41,582 - Our God is marching on. 745 00:34:41,582 --> 00:34:43,542 Glory hallelujah! 746 00:34:44,084 --> 00:34:45,836 Glory hallelujah! 747 00:34:46,420 --> 00:34:48,255 Glory hallelujah! 748 00:34:49,756 --> 00:34:54,219 - Jerry Falwell Sr. says that ministers should not be involved in the political, 749 00:34:54,219 --> 00:34:58,140 they should only be involved in preaching the Gospel of Jesus. 750 00:34:58,140 --> 00:35:00,434 But later on, his game had changed. 751 00:35:01,602 --> 00:35:04,104 REPORTER: School districts began desegregating today 752 00:35:04,104 --> 00:35:05,564 under Supreme Court orders. 753 00:35:06,190 --> 00:35:08,442 - Jerry Falwell Sr. was not happy 754 00:35:08,442 --> 00:35:11,737 about the Brown v. Board of Education decision. 755 00:35:11,737 --> 00:35:13,530 - But as the public schools reopen, 756 00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:17,910 a number of new private schools, all white, sprang into existence. 757 00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:20,245 - He started his own segregation academy there 758 00:35:20,245 --> 00:35:22,748 in conjunction with the Thomas Road Baptist Church. 759 00:35:23,707 --> 00:35:26,460 - These segregation academies were not called segregation academies. 760 00:35:26,877 --> 00:35:28,504 They had Christian names. 761 00:35:28,504 --> 00:35:30,422 But they were built to make sure 762 00:35:30,422 --> 00:35:35,344 that white children did not have to be in contact with African American children. 763 00:35:35,344 --> 00:35:39,264 - The IRS wants to revoke the tax exemptions for private schools 764 00:35:39,264 --> 00:35:42,601 which discriminate racially in their admissions policies. 765 00:35:42,601 --> 00:35:45,145 MATTHEW SUTTON: In the 1970s, the IRS determines 766 00:35:45,145 --> 00:35:48,315 that if you were a charitable institution by definition, 767 00:35:48,315 --> 00:35:50,359 so it means you get tax exemption, 768 00:35:50,359 --> 00:35:52,027 you cannot practice segregation. 769 00:35:52,528 --> 00:35:56,073 And one of the things they'd then target are these Christian-segregated academies. 770 00:35:57,074 --> 00:36:00,452 So this really wakes up Falwell and a number of other ministers, 771 00:36:00,452 --> 00:36:03,455 and they realize that if they don't have allies in the Federal Government, 772 00:36:03,455 --> 00:36:05,749 they're not gonna be able to keep doing what they're trying to do. 773 00:36:06,667 --> 00:36:08,001 JERRY JR.: I preached a few years ago 774 00:36:08,001 --> 00:36:10,546 that Christians shouldn't be involved in politics, 775 00:36:10,546 --> 00:36:12,381 but I think we have every right to speak. 776 00:36:12,381 --> 00:36:13,715 We're citizens too. 777 00:36:13,715 --> 00:36:18,011 - He actually at least had the integrity to acknowledge that he was a hypocrite. 778 00:36:18,011 --> 00:36:22,057 - Jerry Falwell Sr.'s idea about ministers being involved in politics 779 00:36:22,057 --> 00:36:24,518 was to support the status quo of white supremacy. 780 00:36:25,269 --> 00:36:28,188 - Falwell is really at the ground level doing this through his school, 781 00:36:28,188 --> 00:36:30,232 through his academy in Lynchburg, Virginia. 782 00:36:32,776 --> 00:36:34,778 ♪ 783 00:36:35,821 --> 00:36:37,823 - We're waiting in this back area. 784 00:36:37,823 --> 00:36:40,242 I'm with Becki and the kids. 785 00:36:41,243 --> 00:36:43,453 And then Trump and Jerry walk in. 786 00:36:43,453 --> 00:36:46,498 Immediately, Trump just sucked up the energy of the room. 787 00:36:46,498 --> 00:36:49,793 Jerry says, "I wanna introduce you to our business partner in-- in Florida. 788 00:36:49,793 --> 00:36:51,378 He-- He used to work at the Fontainebleau." 789 00:36:54,548 --> 00:36:58,218 And then he signed my book, and he wrote, you know, "Giancarlo, work hard!" 790 00:36:59,094 --> 00:37:00,429 And it was-- it was a cool moment. 791 00:37:00,929 --> 00:37:03,265 And it just reinforced all the things that Becki was telling me, 792 00:37:03,765 --> 00:37:06,602 that I'm very lucky to be mentored by Jerry. 793 00:37:06,602 --> 00:37:08,145 I mean, he's clearly well-connected. 794 00:37:08,145 --> 00:37:11,023 He's in a powerful position, there's a lot of influence. 795 00:37:11,023 --> 00:37:13,609 If I learn from him, look what I can potentially become. 796 00:37:13,609 --> 00:37:15,527 I felt special. 797 00:37:15,527 --> 00:37:19,656 Like I was part of this exclusive club, part of their inner circle. 798 00:37:19,656 --> 00:37:21,074 It was intoxicating. 799 00:37:22,117 --> 00:37:23,368 Michael Cohen was present. 800 00:37:24,286 --> 00:37:25,746 I didn't know who he was, 801 00:37:25,746 --> 00:37:29,958 I just saw him as, uh, like, "Oh, his attorney or business associate." 802 00:37:30,792 --> 00:37:33,378 Michael Cohen kinda leaned over, he's like, "Who is that guy?" 803 00:37:34,046 --> 00:37:36,340 Like, he just didn't really get it. 804 00:37:36,340 --> 00:37:39,718 He's like, "What? I mean, this guy's, you know, 21 years old." 805 00:37:39,718 --> 00:37:41,220 At that moment, I'm like, "Does he know?" 806 00:37:41,887 --> 00:37:43,931 Like, it was just this moment like, "Why-- Why did he ask him? 807 00:37:43,931 --> 00:37:45,641 Why did he react that way?" 808 00:37:45,641 --> 00:37:49,186 - He was paid, you know, to dig up dirt on people 809 00:37:49,186 --> 00:37:52,064 and to be able to control them with that dirt. 810 00:37:52,064 --> 00:37:56,068 - At that moment, he registered that there may be something here. 811 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,447 [indistinct chatter] 812 00:38:00,447 --> 00:38:03,033 Liberty University has this big arena. 813 00:38:03,033 --> 00:38:04,868 [crowd cheering] 814 00:38:04,868 --> 00:38:05,827 I walk in. 815 00:38:06,703 --> 00:38:08,205 I'm not sure how many people are seated there, 816 00:38:08,205 --> 00:38:11,166 I don't know what the capacity is, but thousands. 817 00:38:11,166 --> 00:38:12,209 Thousands of students. 818 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,587 We're on the big screen and people were clapping for us 819 00:38:15,587 --> 00:38:17,130 as we were walking to the front row. 820 00:38:17,130 --> 00:38:19,675 We are the sole focus of the show. 821 00:38:19,675 --> 00:38:20,717 I-- I just couldn't believe it. 822 00:38:21,802 --> 00:38:24,346 Trump was speaking at this thing they called the Convocation. 823 00:38:24,847 --> 00:38:26,181 I didn't know what Convocation was. 824 00:38:26,849 --> 00:38:30,102 ♪ 825 00:38:30,102 --> 00:38:32,688 DUSTIN: Convocation is sort of like a big chapel. 826 00:38:32,688 --> 00:38:34,231 It's three times a week. 827 00:38:34,231 --> 00:38:37,150 If you live on campus, you are required to be there. 828 00:38:37,150 --> 00:38:39,361 - You have no right to be ordinary. 829 00:38:42,865 --> 00:38:45,033 DUSTIN: The person that comes up to speak, 830 00:38:45,033 --> 00:38:49,246 they get the blessing of having a stage that they can stand on 831 00:38:49,246 --> 00:38:51,540 that has spiritual legitimacy. 832 00:38:52,082 --> 00:38:55,210 So it's especially nefarious when that stage is abused. 833 00:38:55,794 --> 00:38:57,129 And that stage is abused all the time. 834 00:38:57,129 --> 00:38:59,047 WOMAN: Good morning, Liberty University. 835 00:38:59,047 --> 00:39:00,799 Are you excited to be here? 836 00:39:01,592 --> 00:39:04,428 - Mr. Trump single-handedly forced President Obama 837 00:39:04,428 --> 00:39:06,305 to release his birth certificate. 838 00:39:06,305 --> 00:39:08,807 [crowd cheering] 839 00:39:10,475 --> 00:39:13,187 I would like to ask Donald Trump to join me at the podium. 840 00:39:13,187 --> 00:39:14,897 [crowd cheering] 841 00:39:14,897 --> 00:39:16,648 GIANCARLO: Donald Trump gave a speech. 842 00:39:16,648 --> 00:39:21,236 - You know, your founder, Jerry Falwell, was a great man. 843 00:39:21,236 --> 00:39:25,490 So impressive, so smart, so tough when you had to be tough. 844 00:39:26,450 --> 00:39:28,368 GIANCARLO: When I'm sitting there in the front row, 845 00:39:28,368 --> 00:39:29,745 I started to think to myself, 846 00:39:30,370 --> 00:39:33,332 "Everything about Liberty University and the Falwells is all about power, 847 00:39:33,332 --> 00:39:35,751 and making sure that people are aware of this power." 848 00:39:36,168 --> 00:39:39,713 - Don't let people take advantage-- This goes for a country too, by the way. 849 00:39:40,380 --> 00:39:43,300 Don't let people take advantage. 850 00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:44,384 Get even. 851 00:39:44,384 --> 00:39:45,844 [crowd cheering] 852 00:39:45,844 --> 00:39:47,221 GIANCARLO: And then I find out 853 00:39:47,221 --> 00:39:49,264 that the students aren't even allowed to dance, 854 00:39:49,264 --> 00:39:51,808 or drink alcohol, or hold hands or hug, or anything. 855 00:39:53,602 --> 00:39:57,439 - The Liberty Way is this set of rules 856 00:39:57,439 --> 00:39:58,899 that students have to live by. 857 00:40:00,067 --> 00:40:01,652 Dress modestly. 858 00:40:01,652 --> 00:40:03,028 You cannot attend a dance. 859 00:40:03,529 --> 00:40:04,905 You're not allowed to drink 860 00:40:04,905 --> 00:40:08,617 And it controlled the sexual conduct of the students. 861 00:40:09,409 --> 00:40:11,912 And you agree that, you know, "The school can fine me 862 00:40:11,912 --> 00:40:13,914 if I violate one of these rules." 863 00:40:14,957 --> 00:40:17,960 For a small violation like swearing, 864 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,755 you're probably just gonna end up getting a few points put on your record. 865 00:40:21,755 --> 00:40:24,550 For something more serious, like possession of alcohol, 866 00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:27,052 right away, you could get a $300 fine, 867 00:40:27,886 --> 00:40:32,975 which is the same potential fine for committing a felony, like rape. 868 00:40:33,475 --> 00:40:35,644 - They run a Christian university, but this is what they're doing. 869 00:40:35,644 --> 00:40:37,855 They're staying at the Fontainebleau and partying and drinking. 870 00:40:38,438 --> 00:40:40,816 MARK: This is Jerry Falwell Jr., 871 00:40:40,816 --> 00:40:42,484 this is Becki Falwell, 872 00:40:42,484 --> 00:40:47,114 and this is their ultimate hypocrisy. 873 00:40:47,114 --> 00:40:48,907 Becki and Jerry as a team, 874 00:40:48,907 --> 00:40:51,994 they didn't play by anyone's rules but their own. 875 00:40:51,994 --> 00:40:53,370 GIANCARLO: I started feeling guilty. 876 00:40:53,370 --> 00:40:56,957 The students, they have no idea what's really going on behind the scenes. 877 00:40:56,957 --> 00:41:00,919 They all think that the Falwells are this godly, perfect family. 878 00:41:01,753 --> 00:41:02,963 I just felt very awkward. 879 00:41:04,756 --> 00:41:08,427 - You know, it's not too late to get back in the presidential race, is it? 880 00:41:08,427 --> 00:41:09,469 I don't know. 881 00:41:09,469 --> 00:41:10,804 [crowd cheering] 882 00:41:10,804 --> 00:41:13,473 - Jerry and his family have absolute control, 883 00:41:13,473 --> 00:41:17,895 and no one is going to stand up to them 'cause they're gonna get crushed. 884 00:41:17,895 --> 00:41:19,897 - My brother was so into this world, 885 00:41:19,897 --> 00:41:23,567 he was, like, high off the power and the money, 886 00:41:23,567 --> 00:41:26,987 and being around all these powerful people. 887 00:41:26,987 --> 00:41:29,406 He owned this building on Miami Beach. 888 00:41:29,406 --> 00:41:31,074 He was, like, on top of the world. 889 00:41:31,909 --> 00:41:35,162 ♪ 890 00:41:35,621 --> 00:41:37,539 GIANCARLO: When my ex-girlfriend and I broke up, 891 00:41:37,539 --> 00:41:39,625 Becki pretended like she was sad, 892 00:41:39,625 --> 00:41:41,293 but she was obviously very excited 893 00:41:41,793 --> 00:41:44,129 because it meant that we were gonna go back 894 00:41:44,129 --> 00:41:46,465 to the original nature of the relationship. 895 00:41:46,465 --> 00:41:49,301 You know, we just started up again as we did on day one. 896 00:41:49,301 --> 00:41:53,388 A part of me felt like I-- I owed them this. 897 00:41:53,388 --> 00:41:56,391 They had this weird psychological hold over me 898 00:41:56,391 --> 00:42:00,729 with these constant guilt trips and me being financially tied to them. 899 00:42:00,729 --> 00:42:03,398 I can't really explain it, but I felt like I had to. 900 00:42:03,398 --> 00:42:05,442 ♪ 901 00:42:05,442 --> 00:42:07,486 I get invited to Trey's wedding. 902 00:42:09,279 --> 00:42:11,657 LILIA: There's like the first level of weirdness 903 00:42:11,657 --> 00:42:12,658 about the whole thing, 904 00:42:12,658 --> 00:42:17,329 and then what really took my weird feelings to the next level 905 00:42:17,329 --> 00:42:19,665 is when he started being friendly with the kids. 906 00:42:21,542 --> 00:42:23,418 GIANCARLO: The Falwells stayed at the Presidential Suite. 907 00:42:24,545 --> 00:42:26,630 - Why the fuck are you going to that wedding? 908 00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:28,924 I mean, why are you invited to that? 909 00:42:31,176 --> 00:42:34,388 - And I would just sneak away, go to the room, and we would have sex. 910 00:42:34,388 --> 00:42:37,015 MARK: The idea of getting caught 911 00:42:37,015 --> 00:42:39,393 was part of their sexual kink. 912 00:42:39,393 --> 00:42:41,687 Why else would you be so reckless? 913 00:42:41,687 --> 00:42:44,648 MEGAN: There was a sense that if they just went along 914 00:42:44,648 --> 00:42:45,941 and got the university rich, 915 00:42:45,941 --> 00:42:47,401 that people would leave them alone 916 00:42:47,401 --> 00:42:51,280 and that they could pursue this very racy private life. 917 00:42:51,947 --> 00:42:54,116 GIANCARLO: Becki would refer to Trey 918 00:42:54,116 --> 00:42:57,035 and their other son, Wesley, and their daughter as my siblings. 919 00:42:57,786 --> 00:42:59,454 If you look at it, it's a good cover story. 920 00:42:59,454 --> 00:43:00,747 They were always gonna be able to say, 921 00:43:00,747 --> 00:43:03,041 "Yeah, you know what? We saw him as a son 922 00:43:03,041 --> 00:43:04,626 and we were just trying to help him out." 923 00:43:04,626 --> 00:43:07,337 Christians are known to reach out to people that are vulnerable 924 00:43:07,337 --> 00:43:09,089 and going through a tough time, and lifting them up. 925 00:43:09,923 --> 00:43:11,508 The kids saw it as something admirable. 926 00:43:12,217 --> 00:43:13,552 They had no idea 927 00:43:13,552 --> 00:43:17,556 that their dad liked to watch his wife get fucked in a room by a younger guy. 928 00:43:18,682 --> 00:43:21,226 LILIA: Involving your kids with this person 929 00:43:21,226 --> 00:43:23,228 that you had this sexual relationship with, 930 00:43:23,228 --> 00:43:26,773 they're the adults in the room, they run a university, they're parents. 931 00:43:26,773 --> 00:43:29,651 He was at the age of, like, I think, one of their sons. 932 00:43:29,651 --> 00:43:31,570 The whole thing was just, like, icky. 933 00:43:32,404 --> 00:43:34,615 GIANCARLO: With family vacations, whenever they went down to Miami, 934 00:43:34,615 --> 00:43:38,243 Becki would just sneak away and, you know, have sex with me. 935 00:43:38,243 --> 00:43:41,371 There was a running joke amongst the kids and everyone, 936 00:43:41,371 --> 00:43:42,748 they're always like, "Where's Becki?" 937 00:43:42,748 --> 00:43:44,291 She was always-- She was always missing. 938 00:43:44,291 --> 00:43:47,085 They actually made a shirt that said, "Where's Becki?" 939 00:43:47,085 --> 00:43:49,338 It was a little inside joke amongst everyone. 940 00:43:49,338 --> 00:43:50,547 She was hanging out with me. 941 00:43:51,298 --> 00:43:54,051 Jerry, his job was to distract the kids. 942 00:43:54,051 --> 00:43:55,177 "All right, let's go to the beach. 943 00:43:55,177 --> 00:43:57,763 Let's go to the pool. Let's go get drinks. Let's go explore." 944 00:43:57,763 --> 00:43:59,890 And then Becki and I would just hang out in the hotel. 945 00:43:59,890 --> 00:44:02,434 As long as we recorded it, he was okay with it. 946 00:44:03,018 --> 00:44:04,811 A lot of pressure came from Jerry. 947 00:44:04,811 --> 00:44:10,275 Basically, her job was to seduce me and successfully have sex with me. 948 00:44:10,275 --> 00:44:13,612 And if she wasn't able to do that, Jerry would get upset. 949 00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:17,115 The lies just started building up. 950 00:44:17,533 --> 00:44:19,159 I had to lie to my girlfriends, 951 00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:20,953 I had to lie to my family. 952 00:44:20,953 --> 00:44:22,454 It was exhausting. 953 00:44:22,454 --> 00:44:25,666 If you look at the Falwells, they were living their best life. 954 00:44:25,666 --> 00:44:28,168 They were professionals at living a double life. 955 00:44:29,211 --> 00:44:31,755 Over the years, it just-- it weighed on me. 956 00:44:31,755 --> 00:44:34,424 When you're forced to hold this secret and lie to everyone, 957 00:44:34,424 --> 00:44:35,884 you start to become a liar. 958 00:44:35,884 --> 00:44:37,386 And I didn't like who I was becoming. 959 00:44:37,386 --> 00:44:40,013 At a certain point, you just-- you just don't wanna do it anymore. 960 00:44:44,768 --> 00:44:45,894 MARK: And then all of a sudden, 961 00:44:45,894 --> 00:44:51,358 the Fernandez duo, father and son, started making claims what they would do. 962 00:44:51,358 --> 00:44:53,318 And they started making threats, 963 00:44:53,318 --> 00:44:55,404 and they started being a pain in the ass. 964 00:44:55,904 --> 00:44:58,615 - I think that visions of grandeur and money, 965 00:44:58,615 --> 00:45:00,158 that was in everybody's head. 966 00:45:00,158 --> 00:45:01,660 Everything kind of turned sour. 967 00:45:01,660 --> 00:45:03,704 Greed fucks everybody up. 968 00:45:06,331 --> 00:45:07,833 GIANCARLO: I hadn't heard from the Fernandezes 969 00:45:07,833 --> 00:45:09,334 since the deal closed, 970 00:45:09,334 --> 00:45:12,880 then all of a sudden, in fall, 2014, 971 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,299 I received a letter from an attorney who was representing them. 972 00:45:16,675 --> 00:45:18,760 And it had to do with breach of contract. 973 00:45:19,928 --> 00:45:23,891 They were claiming that they were promised 50% of my equity stake, 974 00:45:23,891 --> 00:45:25,893 but they weren't promised an equity stake. 975 00:45:26,476 --> 00:45:28,520 - To the best of my understanding, 976 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,982 the agreement was a real estate commission. 977 00:45:31,982 --> 00:45:35,694 I've never heard of them speaking about being 50-50 in the property. 978 00:45:35,694 --> 00:45:37,529 GIANCARLO: I give him a call. 979 00:45:37,529 --> 00:45:40,574 - Hello, Mr. Giancarlo Granda. 980 00:45:40,574 --> 00:45:41,950 - Just being theatrical. 981 00:45:41,950 --> 00:45:44,328 - As a devout Christian, I'm heartbroken 982 00:45:44,328 --> 00:45:48,290 about the things that my client is telling me about the Falwells. 983 00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:50,459 GIANCARLO: He referenced compromising images, 984 00:45:51,043 --> 00:45:52,586 photos of me and Becki. 985 00:45:53,795 --> 00:45:56,965 Obviously, I'm like, "Oh, my God, everyone's gonna find out. 986 00:45:56,965 --> 00:45:58,550 "My family's gonna find out. 987 00:45:58,550 --> 00:46:00,219 "This is all gonna crumble. 988 00:46:00,219 --> 00:46:01,720 "Oh, my God, what-- what do they have? 989 00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:04,723 "Did they have the videos of me and Becki? 990 00:46:04,723 --> 00:46:06,600 Do they have that? I didn't-- I didn't really know." 991 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,477 It does not feel good when you know 992 00:46:08,477 --> 00:46:11,897 that this secret part of your life is about to be exposed. 993 00:46:12,564 --> 00:46:13,774 - He was definitely nervous. 994 00:46:13,774 --> 00:46:18,904 I think this also started his becoming a little paranoid. 995 00:46:18,904 --> 00:46:21,073 Who do you trust? Who you can't trust? 996 00:46:21,740 --> 00:46:23,367 GIANCARLO: I was so frustrated 997 00:46:23,367 --> 00:46:27,704 at the fact that I was being betrayed by someone who I saw as a friend. 998 00:46:27,704 --> 00:46:28,997 It's just disgusting 999 00:46:29,498 --> 00:46:32,751 to threaten to reveal our private lives. 1000 00:46:33,252 --> 00:46:36,588 You know, later, I found out that his dad owed a lot of money. [chuckles] 1001 00:46:36,588 --> 00:46:40,008 He owed like, I don't know, like, 34 million dollars or something like that. 1002 00:46:40,008 --> 00:46:44,847 So the $15,000 that they got from commission wasn't gonna put a dent. 1003 00:46:44,847 --> 00:46:49,393 NICOLE: Jesus and his father are always looking for the next hustle, 1004 00:46:49,393 --> 00:46:51,478 and that was Jerry Falwell Jr. 1005 00:46:52,479 --> 00:46:54,523 - I just told him, "You're gonna be hearing from my attorney." 1006 00:46:54,523 --> 00:46:56,692 Called Jerry immediately after. 1007 00:46:56,692 --> 00:46:59,152 I said, "It seems like we're being blackmailed here." 1008 00:46:59,820 --> 00:47:02,364 ♪ 1009 00:47:05,075 --> 00:47:06,326 There's a mediation. 1010 00:47:06,326 --> 00:47:07,870 Jerry flies down to Miami. 1011 00:47:09,246 --> 00:47:13,417 - The Falwell attorneys actually made an offer to the Fernandezes. 1012 00:47:13,417 --> 00:47:15,752 But you see, greed doesn't play that game. 1013 00:47:16,378 --> 00:47:18,130 GIANCARLO: The reason why it was a shakedown 1014 00:47:18,130 --> 00:47:19,798 and not just a normal legal dispute 1015 00:47:19,798 --> 00:47:22,676 is because they were claiming for half of my equity stake 1016 00:47:22,676 --> 00:47:23,677 and anything that I made. 1017 00:47:24,303 --> 00:47:27,431 And we offered it to 'em, and they declined. 1018 00:47:27,431 --> 00:47:30,058 - They figured they could get a hell of a lot more. 1019 00:47:30,058 --> 00:47:33,270 - They didn't really want half of the equity stake, they wanted millions. 1020 00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:36,106 He disguised this shakedown as a lawsuit. 1021 00:47:36,106 --> 00:47:38,192 It was just them saying, 1022 00:47:38,192 --> 00:47:40,819 "We know what happened with this relationship. 1023 00:47:40,819 --> 00:47:43,488 "Not only do we know, but we have compromising material. 1024 00:47:43,488 --> 00:47:44,656 We have photographs." 1025 00:47:55,792 --> 00:47:58,420 GIANCARLO: "If you don't pay us, then it's gonna become public." 1026 00:47:59,421 --> 00:48:01,882 At this meeting, they showed the images, 1027 00:48:01,882 --> 00:48:04,343 and it was the images that she shared with me. 1028 00:48:04,343 --> 00:48:06,678 LILIA: Pictures? [chuckles] Okay. 1029 00:48:06,678 --> 00:48:10,641 Like, pictures of you guys doing stuff? 1030 00:48:11,058 --> 00:48:11,934 - Yeah. 1031 00:48:11,934 --> 00:48:13,310 - Well, you're fucked. 1032 00:48:14,811 --> 00:48:17,147 - I told Jerry, I'm like, "Like, I didn't give it to them. 1033 00:48:17,147 --> 00:48:19,066 They just somehow obtained them." 1034 00:48:19,483 --> 00:48:22,611 And Jerry's like, "Look, I trust you. Don't even worry about it. 1035 00:48:22,611 --> 00:48:24,071 I know we're all on the same team here." 1036 00:48:24,571 --> 00:48:26,406 I tell him, like, "We need to call the FBI. 1037 00:48:26,406 --> 00:48:28,033 "We shouldn't pay them, you know, a penny." 1038 00:48:28,367 --> 00:48:32,788 But it seemed like Jerry, he never really wanted to testify under oath. 1039 00:48:32,788 --> 00:48:34,122 He has a lot to hide. 1040 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,918 MARK: He knew the volatility in those photos, 1041 00:48:37,918 --> 00:48:43,465 and he knew that they had something that could literally destroy him. 1042 00:48:43,465 --> 00:48:45,884 - I told Jerry, I'm like, "What did you tell your attorneys?" 1043 00:48:45,884 --> 00:48:48,762 And he's like, "Well, I told them that you had a crush on Becki, 1044 00:48:48,762 --> 00:48:53,058 and you somehow got, you know, the images, and then your friends got it somehow." 1045 00:48:53,642 --> 00:48:55,519 I'm like, "Uh, that's not what happened." 1046 00:48:55,936 --> 00:48:59,147 And at that point, I'm like, "Is this-- Am I being represented here? 1047 00:48:59,147 --> 00:49:01,733 "Like, are they looking out for my best interests 1048 00:49:01,733 --> 00:49:03,443 at this point for this lawsuit?" 1049 00:49:03,443 --> 00:49:05,988 I mean, I was concerned because, obviously, Jerry has influence. 1050 00:49:05,988 --> 00:49:07,781 He has power. He has connections. 1051 00:49:08,448 --> 00:49:12,995 I just saw how easy it was for them to just spin this to favor the Falwells. 1052 00:49:12,995 --> 00:49:15,831 At that point, I'm like, "I'm screwed." 1053 00:49:21,587 --> 00:49:25,382 - Once the threat of the Fernandezes started getting real, 1054 00:49:25,382 --> 00:49:27,050 things might come out. 1055 00:49:27,050 --> 00:49:30,220 He, I think, thought, "Well, let me tell my parents 1056 00:49:30,220 --> 00:49:32,014 before they find out any other way." 1057 00:49:32,014 --> 00:49:34,850 - "I don't want any secrets. This is what happened. It was stupid. 1058 00:49:34,850 --> 00:49:37,227 "But we are business partners, and that's it. 1059 00:49:37,227 --> 00:49:40,314 It was stupid, I was young, but I'm moving on." 1060 00:49:41,857 --> 00:49:43,442 Obviously, my parents were upset. 1061 00:49:43,442 --> 00:49:45,152 My mom was blown away by that. 1062 00:49:45,152 --> 00:49:46,236 She was shocked. 1063 00:49:46,737 --> 00:49:49,781 You know, she really thought that they were an amazing family 1064 00:49:49,781 --> 00:49:50,991 for helping me out. 1065 00:49:50,991 --> 00:49:52,201 It broke her heart. 1066 00:49:52,784 --> 00:49:56,455 ♪ 1067 00:49:57,331 --> 00:49:58,415 Becki called me. 1068 00:49:59,291 --> 00:50:01,418 I told her I was stressed out. 1069 00:50:01,418 --> 00:50:02,503 I want no part of this. 1070 00:50:02,503 --> 00:50:03,837 I'm-- I want out. 1071 00:50:03,837 --> 00:50:06,507 "Oh, the lawsuit? Don't even worry about it. 1072 00:50:06,507 --> 00:50:07,883 "We called our friend, Michael Cohen, 1073 00:50:07,883 --> 00:50:10,052 "and he's gonna take care of those guys that are suing us. 1074 00:50:10,969 --> 00:50:13,347 It's never even gonna go public. We're in good hands." 1075 00:50:15,098 --> 00:50:17,309 Whenever you need something to go away or get settled, 1076 00:50:17,309 --> 00:50:19,770 or any sort of legal dispute to be, uh, resolved, 1077 00:50:19,770 --> 00:50:23,440 then, uh, people within Trump's orbit, they would reach out to Michael Cohen. 1078 00:50:25,734 --> 00:50:27,611 After Michael Cohen intervened, 1079 00:50:27,611 --> 00:50:30,447 it seemed like our problems just went away. 1080 00:50:30,447 --> 00:50:33,283 The Fernandezes and the lawsuit just vanished, you know? 1081 00:50:33,283 --> 00:50:34,701 And it did for a while, at least. 1082 00:50:46,171 --> 00:50:49,466 - It's true that Michael Cohen helped them out with the legal dispute. 1083 00:50:49,466 --> 00:50:53,303 But he didn't just help 'em out, now he owns the compromising material. 1084 00:50:54,471 --> 00:50:56,390 MARK: This story isn't quite over 1085 00:50:56,390 --> 00:51:00,310 in terms of Michael Cohen and what his business was 1086 00:51:00,310 --> 00:51:03,730 and may still be with the Falwells. 1087 00:51:03,730 --> 00:51:05,983 Who owns who in this situation? 1088 00:51:07,276 --> 00:51:10,279 ♪ 1089 00:51:11,655 --> 00:51:13,657 GIANCARLO: I'm at the hostel doing work. 1090 00:51:13,657 --> 00:51:16,118 I get a phone call from Jerry and Becki, 1091 00:51:16,118 --> 00:51:17,995 and they told me they were in Miami. 1092 00:51:17,995 --> 00:51:19,538 And they said, "Hey, come over to the Loews, 1093 00:51:19,538 --> 00:51:21,164 we gotta talk about something serious." 1094 00:51:21,832 --> 00:51:23,876 And I'm like, "Oh, shit, what's going on?" 1095 00:51:25,335 --> 00:51:27,379 So the first thing that Jerry says-- 1096 00:51:28,130 --> 00:51:31,717 He offered me 1.1 million dollars for my equity stake 1097 00:51:31,717 --> 00:51:32,968 in the property in South Beach. 1098 00:51:32,968 --> 00:51:36,722 And then he also said he owns a hotel in-- in Lynchburg, 1099 00:51:36,722 --> 00:51:37,931 it's La Quinta. 1100 00:51:37,931 --> 00:51:42,895 And they-- they offered me an equity stake just equivalent of $50,000 a year. 1101 00:51:43,312 --> 00:51:45,606 He said, "Do you want it?" And I said, "Yeah." 1102 00:51:45,606 --> 00:51:47,441 I accepted immediately right there on the spot. 1103 00:51:47,441 --> 00:51:51,069 But he's like, "We're gonna have to wait till we settle this lawsuit 1104 00:51:51,069 --> 00:51:53,614 because there's this legal claim on us." 1105 00:51:53,614 --> 00:51:54,990 It's like kind of, like, having a lien. 1106 00:51:54,990 --> 00:51:57,409 I was essentially handcuffed to this property. 1107 00:51:58,410 --> 00:52:02,581 - I think at this point, he was very much over the bullshit of it all. 1108 00:52:02,581 --> 00:52:04,416 GIANCARLO: Over the years, Jerry would always tell me, 1109 00:52:04,416 --> 00:52:06,793 "Wouldn't it be nice if you just come work over at Liberty?" 1110 00:52:06,793 --> 00:52:08,754 He just really wanted me in that world. 1111 00:52:09,421 --> 00:52:13,842 I asked, "Why are you being so generous with this proposition? What's going on?" 1112 00:52:14,176 --> 00:52:17,304 Then he told me, he's like, "Michael Cohen approached me, 1113 00:52:17,304 --> 00:52:19,973 "and Donald Trump's gonna run for president, 1114 00:52:19,973 --> 00:52:21,892 and they want my endorsement." 1115 00:52:23,727 --> 00:52:25,979 I didn't take it seriously. I'm like, "You can't be serious, right?" 1116 00:52:25,979 --> 00:52:27,481 Like, it's probably for ratings. 1117 00:52:27,481 --> 00:52:29,191 There's no way he's actually running. 1118 00:52:29,191 --> 00:52:31,360 He's like, "No, no. He really wants to run. 1119 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,695 And, uh, we believe that he can actually win." 1120 00:52:35,072 --> 00:52:37,699 If Jerry was gonna get more involved with politicians, 1121 00:52:37,699 --> 00:52:39,159 just like how his dad did, 1122 00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:42,287 he had to ensure that all loose ends were tied. 1123 00:52:45,123 --> 00:52:46,375 MATTHEW: In the 1970s, 1124 00:52:46,375 --> 00:52:49,920 when the evangelicals and Jerry Falwell became engaged in politics, 1125 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,214 they realized that the civil rights issue was wrong, 1126 00:52:52,214 --> 00:52:53,966 like, they-- they were on the wrong side of that one. 1127 00:52:53,966 --> 00:52:55,884 And so they begin to shift towards other issues. 1128 00:52:55,884 --> 00:52:58,971 - There was a kind of a period of almost market testing 1129 00:52:58,971 --> 00:53:03,100 to see which issues would grab these evangelical voters. 1130 00:53:03,684 --> 00:53:05,352 MATTHEW: They go after the feminist movement. 1131 00:53:05,352 --> 00:53:08,105 JERRY SR.: God didn't make women for NFL football or combat, 1132 00:53:08,105 --> 00:53:09,273 or a lot of other things. 1133 00:53:09,273 --> 00:53:14,319 I don't believe we should demean womanhood by saying that men and women are the same. 1134 00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:16,321 - They also began to go after pornography. 1135 00:53:16,655 --> 00:53:19,616 JERRY SR.: Until once again the pornographers are looked on 1136 00:53:19,616 --> 00:53:23,203 as the sleazy merchants of garbage as they once were, 1137 00:53:23,203 --> 00:53:25,372 and in fact, still are, we haven't won. 1138 00:53:25,372 --> 00:53:27,040 - They go after the gay rights movement. 1139 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,502 - The scriptures are very clear that homosexuality is moral perversion. 1140 00:53:30,502 --> 00:53:33,630 And that's in violation of everything that the Word of God teaches. 1141 00:53:33,630 --> 00:53:36,133 - In a nation that's becoming ever more diverse, 1142 00:53:36,133 --> 00:53:39,178 Falwell is trying to roll back any progressive change 1143 00:53:39,178 --> 00:53:40,220 that's gonna happen. 1144 00:53:40,220 --> 00:53:44,725 - In a landmark ruling, the Supreme Court today legalized abortions. 1145 00:53:44,725 --> 00:53:47,436 The majority, in cases from Texas and Georgia said 1146 00:53:47,436 --> 00:53:51,148 that the decision to end a pregnancy during the first three months 1147 00:53:51,148 --> 00:53:54,776 belongs to the woman and her doctor, not the government. 1148 00:53:54,776 --> 00:53:59,865 - Abortion was considered a Catholic issue by evangelicals in the 1970s. 1149 00:53:59,865 --> 00:54:03,410 - Evangelicals really felt like abortion was a personal decision 1150 00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:05,495 that could be made with a minister and a doctor. 1151 00:54:05,495 --> 00:54:08,123 What they don't want is the state telling people what to do. 1152 00:54:08,540 --> 00:54:11,502 RANDALL: It wasn't until the '78 midterm elections, 1153 00:54:11,502 --> 00:54:14,796 abortion finally begins to appear on the radar screen 1154 00:54:14,796 --> 00:54:16,757 of American evangelicals. 1155 00:54:16,757 --> 00:54:20,844 - Abortion could be the most volatile, single, political issue in the country today, 1156 00:54:20,844 --> 00:54:24,264 and the right-to-lifers, the most powerful, single issue block. 1157 00:54:24,264 --> 00:54:28,685 RANDALL: Several conservative activists, pro-lifers, Roman Catholics, 1158 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,271 target four senate races. 1159 00:54:31,271 --> 00:54:34,316 REPORTER: Right-to-lifers passed out 300,000 leaflets 1160 00:54:34,316 --> 00:54:35,943 the weekend before the election. 1161 00:54:35,943 --> 00:54:37,110 RANDALL: Two days later, 1162 00:54:37,110 --> 00:54:41,323 all four Democratic nominees who were highly favored 1163 00:54:41,323 --> 00:54:44,952 lost to anti-abortion Republicans. 1164 00:54:45,744 --> 00:54:48,580 At that point, Falwell realized 1165 00:54:48,580 --> 00:54:51,083 they had an issue that would work for them politically. 1166 00:54:53,585 --> 00:54:57,339 - Jerry Falwell Sr. does not preach his first sermon against abortion 1167 00:54:57,339 --> 00:55:00,092 until five years after Roe v. Wade. 1168 00:55:00,092 --> 00:55:01,927 JERRY SR.: Abortion is a moral issue. 1169 00:55:01,927 --> 00:55:03,470 It is a human rights issue. 1170 00:55:03,470 --> 00:55:07,099 An issue that concerns the human rights of unborn babies, 1171 00:55:07,099 --> 00:55:12,354 who, by the hundreds of thousands, are being murdered. 1172 00:55:12,354 --> 00:55:15,107 ANTHEA: Abortion becomes the number-one wedge issue 1173 00:55:15,107 --> 00:55:18,569 that they can all agree on, and all get in line behind. 1174 00:55:18,569 --> 00:55:21,029 Jerry Falwell Sr. saw that as a way 1175 00:55:21,029 --> 00:55:24,658 to put himself in the forefront of the culture wars of the day. 1176 00:55:24,658 --> 00:55:27,953 It's much easier to say you don't want abortion 1177 00:55:27,953 --> 00:55:30,831 than to say you don't want a little Black child on the school bus 1178 00:55:30,831 --> 00:55:31,915 with your little white girl. 1179 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,753 And this becomes a very lucrative business proposition. 1180 00:55:36,753 --> 00:55:39,298 - I want every one of you to leave here this morning 1181 00:55:39,298 --> 00:55:41,925 without a penny, a nickel, a dime, or a quarter. 1182 00:55:41,925 --> 00:55:43,177 No change left. 1183 00:55:43,177 --> 00:55:45,512 This is the cash receipts department. 1184 00:55:46,013 --> 00:55:50,058 I'm guessing, today, they will probably do $200,000 here. 1185 00:55:50,058 --> 00:55:52,352 - $200,000 a day? 1186 00:55:52,769 --> 00:55:54,104 REPORTER: At its peak, 1187 00:55:54,104 --> 00:55:58,483 Falwell's ministry brought in nearly 100 million dollars a year. 1188 00:55:58,483 --> 00:56:03,155 - This is the country God has raised up for the purpose of world evangelization. 1189 00:56:03,155 --> 00:56:04,239 ANNOUNCER: Jerry Falwell, 1190 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,326 a Lynchburg, Virginia, preacher who runs Moral Majority, 1191 00:56:07,326 --> 00:56:09,953 a new political machine that's anti-abortion, 1192 00:56:09,953 --> 00:56:12,372 anti-ERA, anti-gay rights, 1193 00:56:12,372 --> 00:56:14,875 and for, what he calls, a "Moral America." 1194 00:56:14,875 --> 00:56:18,295 - All the moral issues that count today are in the political arena. 1195 00:56:18,295 --> 00:56:21,256 There's no way to fight these battles except in that arena. 1196 00:56:21,256 --> 00:56:24,301 REPORTER: Moral Majority claims 47 state organizations 1197 00:56:24,301 --> 00:56:27,262 and a network of 72,000 preachers, 1198 00:56:27,262 --> 00:56:30,933 combining to form, what some call, a Christian political machine. 1199 00:56:30,933 --> 00:56:33,143 MATTHEW: They want to use political power 1200 00:56:33,143 --> 00:56:35,562 to help elect a president who can appoint judges 1201 00:56:35,562 --> 00:56:38,315 to reverse the Court's decision on abortion. 1202 00:56:38,315 --> 00:56:41,109 - We're gonna make it impossible for a fellow to run for dog catcher 1203 00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:42,277 if he's pro-abortion. 1204 00:56:42,277 --> 00:56:44,947 MATTHEW: Liberty University is going to be the essential stop 1205 00:56:44,947 --> 00:56:46,532 for political candidates, 1206 00:56:46,532 --> 00:56:47,950 especially Republican Candidates, 1207 00:56:47,950 --> 00:56:50,327 especially Conservative Republican Candidates, 1208 00:56:50,327 --> 00:56:51,495 for getting out your message 1209 00:56:51,495 --> 00:56:54,248 and for substantiating what you wanted to do with the country. 1210 00:56:56,416 --> 00:56:59,294 ANNOUNCER: This is an NBC News Special Report. 1211 00:57:00,087 --> 00:57:03,257 - Donald Trump is lining up, what could be, key endorsements. 1212 00:57:05,884 --> 00:57:08,262 REPORTER: For Trump, a major evangelical endorsement, 1213 00:57:08,262 --> 00:57:09,972 Jerry Falwell Jr. 1214 00:57:09,972 --> 00:57:13,267 Falwell could give Trump the credibility he needs. 1215 00:57:13,267 --> 00:57:15,727 - Can we just put our hands together for our great president? 1216 00:57:15,727 --> 00:57:17,187 President Falwell, everybody. Come on. 1217 00:57:17,187 --> 00:57:19,231 [crowd cheering] 1218 00:57:24,528 --> 00:57:29,157 - Matthew 7:16 tells us that by their fruits, you shall know them. 1219 00:57:29,157 --> 00:57:32,953 In my opinion, Donald Trump lives a life of loving and helping others 1220 00:57:32,953 --> 00:57:35,163 as Jesus taught in the great commandment. 1221 00:57:35,163 --> 00:57:39,084 Please welcome back to Liberty University, Mr. Donald Trump. 1222 00:57:39,084 --> 00:57:40,210 [crowd applauding] 1223 00:57:40,210 --> 00:57:41,211 - Wow. 1224 00:57:43,046 --> 00:57:44,339 It's an honor to be here. 1225 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,049 I wrote The Art of the Deal, 1226 00:57:46,049 --> 00:57:47,134 I wrote many bestsellers. 1227 00:57:47,134 --> 00:57:51,597 I always say, a deep, deep second to the Bible. 1228 00:57:51,597 --> 00:57:53,265 The Bible is the best. The Bible. 1229 00:57:54,558 --> 00:57:57,352 GIANCARLO: Jerry was entrenched in, now, the political world 1230 00:57:57,352 --> 00:57:59,146 in campaigning for Donald Trump. 1231 00:57:59,146 --> 00:58:02,316 - Evangelicals are tired of being betrayed. 1232 00:58:02,316 --> 00:58:05,944 And I think the song from 1971 by The Who, 1233 00:58:05,944 --> 00:58:10,324 Won't Get Fooled Again, is very pertinent in this situation. 1234 00:58:10,324 --> 00:58:12,993 And I think that's how a lot of evangelicals feel. 1235 00:58:13,744 --> 00:58:15,537 We don't wanna get fooled again. 1236 00:58:16,038 --> 00:58:19,249 DONALD: Jerry Falwell Jr. was so helpful. He was so helpful. 1237 00:58:19,249 --> 00:58:22,002 You know, I'm leading with the evangelicals. 1238 00:58:22,002 --> 00:58:23,086 I'm a good Christian. 1239 00:58:23,086 --> 00:58:25,047 - The majority of evangelicals believe 1240 00:58:25,047 --> 00:58:27,758 that Donald Trump is best equipped to save the country. 1241 00:58:27,758 --> 00:58:31,303 DUSTIN: He was one of the very first Christian leaders 1242 00:58:31,303 --> 00:58:33,639 who made it possible for other Christian leaders 1243 00:58:33,639 --> 00:58:34,556 to get on board 1244 00:58:34,556 --> 00:58:36,683 and get their congregations on board with the Trump campaign. 1245 00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:38,977 - The evangelicals, they're with me 1246 00:58:38,977 --> 00:58:41,063 'cause they know one thing about me, I'm not a liar. 1247 00:58:41,063 --> 00:58:43,023 - Well, you just heard it from Donald Trump. 1248 00:58:43,023 --> 00:58:44,650 Christians love him. 1249 00:58:44,650 --> 00:58:46,485 GIANCARLO: If Trump didn't get into real estate development, 1250 00:58:46,485 --> 00:58:48,695 he could've been an evangelical preacher. 1251 00:58:49,112 --> 00:58:51,031 - There's 15 devils. 1252 00:58:51,031 --> 00:58:52,491 GIANCARLO: And he's a character. 1253 00:58:52,491 --> 00:58:54,993 All these pastors, they're all characters, 1254 00:58:54,993 --> 00:58:56,245 they're putting on a show. 1255 00:58:56,245 --> 00:58:57,788 - Everybody wants to talk about my hair. 1256 00:58:57,788 --> 00:59:00,374 - Maybe they don't like my hair, which is real, by the way. 1257 00:59:00,374 --> 00:59:01,208 Look at that sucker. 1258 00:59:01,208 --> 00:59:02,042 [audience laughing] 1259 00:59:02,376 --> 00:59:04,086 RANDALL: You can make a case that Donald Trump 1260 00:59:04,086 --> 00:59:07,339 is very much in the tradition of the televangelist. 1261 00:59:07,339 --> 00:59:09,716 He was an evangelist for capitalism. 1262 00:59:10,217 --> 00:59:12,886 - Many of you would need to anoint your billfold with this oil 1263 00:59:12,886 --> 00:59:14,096 for a financial blessing. 1264 00:59:14,930 --> 00:59:17,224 DONALD: Trump Steaks are by far the best tasting, 1265 00:59:17,224 --> 00:59:19,226 most flavorful beef you've ever had. 1266 00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,814 RANDALL: And so, Donald Trump emerged as the champion for the religious right, 1267 00:59:23,814 --> 00:59:25,232 much like Reagan did in 1980. 1268 00:59:26,358 --> 00:59:29,069 RONALD REAGAN: I was asked once what book I would choose 1269 00:59:29,069 --> 00:59:30,988 if I were shipwrecked on an island. 1270 00:59:31,488 --> 00:59:32,322 The Bible. 1271 00:59:33,073 --> 00:59:35,409 RANDALL: What this is, is politics. 1272 00:59:35,409 --> 00:59:36,785 Politics in the pulpit. 1273 00:59:36,785 --> 00:59:38,370 REPORTER: Few concern themselves 1274 00:59:38,370 --> 00:59:41,456 with the delicate balance between church and state. 1275 00:59:41,456 --> 00:59:43,500 JERRY SR.: Mr. Reagan's enemies are my enemies, 1276 00:59:44,251 --> 00:59:45,294 and they're yours too. 1277 00:59:45,294 --> 00:59:48,839 - Donald Trump is the only candidate who cannot be bought. 1278 00:59:49,631 --> 00:59:54,386 - I am the law and order candidate. 1279 00:59:54,386 --> 00:59:56,263 - You wanted law and order in this town, 1280 00:59:56,263 --> 00:59:57,389 you've got it. 1281 01:00:04,229 --> 01:00:06,940 - All of us are sinners. All of us are redeemable. 1282 01:00:06,940 --> 01:00:08,317 - Falwell stood by his side 1283 01:00:08,317 --> 01:00:11,111 and continued to argue that Christians should support him. 1284 01:00:11,111 --> 01:00:12,529 JERRY JR.: Five years from now, 1285 01:00:12,529 --> 01:00:14,781 when the Supreme Court is stacked 1286 01:00:14,781 --> 01:00:17,492 with people who will rip our Constitution to shreds, 1287 01:00:17,492 --> 01:00:19,203 get rid of the Second Amendment, 1288 01:00:19,203 --> 01:00:21,580 nobody's gonna be thinking about what Donald Trump said 1289 01:00:21,580 --> 01:00:23,790 on a videotape in 2005. 1290 01:00:23,790 --> 01:00:26,793 ANTHEA: Evangelicals didn't care about Donald Trump not being Christian. 1291 01:00:26,793 --> 01:00:30,130 They were willing to take a man who had been married three times 1292 01:00:30,130 --> 01:00:32,758 and had five children from three different mothers, 1293 01:00:33,258 --> 01:00:36,553 just like they didn't care that Ronald Reagan wasn't evangelical. 1294 01:00:37,304 --> 01:00:38,972 RANDALL: Here you have Jimmy Carter, 1295 01:00:38,972 --> 01:00:43,519 a born again, Southern Baptist, progressive evangelical. 1296 01:00:43,519 --> 01:00:46,980 And evangelicals, they turned dramatically against him 1297 01:00:46,980 --> 01:00:49,107 and then settled, improbably, 1298 01:00:49,107 --> 01:00:54,404 on a divorced and remarried, former Hollywood actor, 1299 01:00:54,404 --> 01:00:57,908 who, as Governor of California in 1967, 1300 01:00:57,908 --> 01:01:01,203 signed into law the most liberal abortion bill in the country. 1301 01:01:01,203 --> 01:01:04,456 - When you interrupt a pregnancy, you are taking a human life. 1302 01:01:04,957 --> 01:01:06,250 - As you know, I'm pro-life. 1303 01:01:06,750 --> 01:01:08,210 INTERVIEWER: Should the woman be punished 1304 01:01:08,210 --> 01:01:09,211 for having an abortion? 1305 01:01:09,211 --> 01:01:11,004 - There has to be some form of punishment. 1306 01:01:11,004 --> 01:01:12,130 INTERVIEWER: For the woman? - Yeah. 1307 01:01:12,130 --> 01:01:14,341 - Moral Majority founder, the Reverend Jerry Falwell 1308 01:01:14,341 --> 01:01:15,217 is quoted as saying, 1309 01:01:15,217 --> 01:01:18,512 he expects a reshaped Supreme Court by President Reagan 1310 01:01:18,512 --> 01:01:20,305 would outlaw most abortions. 1311 01:01:20,305 --> 01:01:23,141 - Do you wanna see the Court overturn Roe v. Wade? 1312 01:01:23,141 --> 01:01:26,520 - Well, if we put another two or perhaps three justices on, 1313 01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,147 that's really what's going to be-- That will happen. 1314 01:01:29,147 --> 01:01:32,442 - Evangelicals, all they wanted to do was win, 1315 01:01:32,442 --> 01:01:35,696 and they were willing to win with anyone that they possibly could. 1316 01:01:35,696 --> 01:01:39,324 BOTH: We will make America great again. 1317 01:01:39,324 --> 01:01:42,953 - In 1984, my father stood at this convention 1318 01:01:43,537 --> 01:01:45,205 and offered the opening prayer 1319 01:01:45,205 --> 01:01:48,166 before our party's candidate, Ronald Reagan. 1320 01:01:48,166 --> 01:01:49,710 - We pray for our beloved president. 1321 01:01:50,460 --> 01:01:52,546 Upon a man that many of us believe, 1322 01:01:52,546 --> 01:01:55,799 indeed, to be our greatest president since Lincoln. 1323 01:01:55,799 --> 01:01:57,342 [crowd cheering] 1324 01:01:57,342 --> 01:02:00,345 - Ronald Reagan went on to accept the nomination 1325 01:02:00,345 --> 01:02:01,805 and win in a landslide. 1326 01:02:02,139 --> 01:02:04,266 A little over 30 years later, 1327 01:02:04,266 --> 01:02:07,352 I stand here with the sincerest prayer 1328 01:02:07,352 --> 01:02:12,149 that history is about to repeat itself with the election of Donald J. Trump. 1329 01:02:12,149 --> 01:02:13,358 [crowd cheering] 1330 01:02:17,863 --> 01:02:20,949 GIANCARLO: Just about four days before the Republican National Convention, 1331 01:02:20,949 --> 01:02:22,868 I received a text message from Jerry. 1332 01:02:23,911 --> 01:02:26,371 He said that "You have equity in the company, 1333 01:02:26,371 --> 01:02:29,249 you've worked really hard in maximizing the value of this company." 1334 01:02:29,249 --> 01:02:30,292 No matter what happens, 1335 01:02:30,292 --> 01:02:33,128 whether he buys it out or we sell the property, 1336 01:02:33,128 --> 01:02:36,507 that he would ensure that I get no less than $600,000. 1337 01:02:37,007 --> 01:02:38,759 I was making it clear that this legal dispute 1338 01:02:38,759 --> 01:02:41,637 was, you know, taking a toll on my mental health. 1339 01:02:41,637 --> 01:02:43,514 I just wasn't feeling well. I wanted out. 1340 01:02:44,014 --> 01:02:45,891 He probably wanted a clean cut from everything too. 1341 01:02:46,517 --> 01:02:50,896 LILIA: This was just another form of trapping my brother in, 1342 01:02:50,896 --> 01:02:53,106 giving him a reason to, you know, stay close. 1343 01:02:53,106 --> 01:02:55,817 Now there was this whole new dynamic. 1344 01:02:55,817 --> 01:03:00,656 Jerry Falwell was getting himself involved with the future president of this country, 1345 01:03:00,656 --> 01:03:03,825 so he needed to make sure that his circle was tight, 1346 01:03:03,825 --> 01:03:08,372 and that no one was gonna be out there saying anything crazy about them. 1347 01:03:09,456 --> 01:03:13,168 ANNOUNCER: Fox News decision desk has called 1348 01:03:13,752 --> 01:03:15,838 Pennsylvania for Donald Trump. 1349 01:03:16,255 --> 01:03:19,466 This means that Donald Trump will be 1350 01:03:19,466 --> 01:03:23,136 the 45th president of the United States. 1351 01:03:23,136 --> 01:03:24,721 ANTHEA: Evangelicals have played a role 1352 01:03:24,721 --> 01:03:28,308 in electing every Republican president since Ronald Reagan. 1353 01:03:28,308 --> 01:03:30,227 NARRATOR: The numbers were overwhelming. 1354 01:03:30,227 --> 01:03:34,064 81% of self-identified white, born again, or evangelical Christians 1355 01:03:34,064 --> 01:03:35,357 ultimately voted for Trump. 1356 01:03:35,357 --> 01:03:37,484 It was an evangelical turnout for Trump 1357 01:03:37,484 --> 01:03:40,153 that exceeded George W. Bush in 2004, 1358 01:03:40,153 --> 01:03:42,030 John McCain in 2008, 1359 01:03:42,030 --> 01:03:43,490 and Mitt Romney in 2012. 1360 01:03:45,409 --> 01:03:47,578 MARK: Much like his father before him, 1361 01:03:47,578 --> 01:03:50,706 Jerry Falwell Jr. is now a kingmaker. 1362 01:03:51,915 --> 01:03:54,334 DUSTIN: After Trump was inaugurated as president, 1363 01:03:54,334 --> 01:03:56,044 Falwell felt invincible. 1364 01:03:56,670 --> 01:04:00,215 And he was increasingly weaponizing Liberty University, 1365 01:04:00,215 --> 01:04:03,510 and making it into an arm of the Trump Administration. 1366 01:04:04,011 --> 01:04:07,347 - I call Liberty the Fox News Network of the academic world. 1367 01:04:07,931 --> 01:04:10,809 - Why is it that the left mocks God? 1368 01:04:10,809 --> 01:04:15,564 - Welcome to the United States of America, 1369 01:04:15,564 --> 01:04:19,860 where illegal aliens have more rights 1370 01:04:19,860 --> 01:04:22,613 than American citizens. 1371 01:04:22,613 --> 01:04:25,741 DONALD TRUMP JR.: Enough. Enough of the PC garbage. 1372 01:04:25,741 --> 01:04:28,410 Enough of the never-ending movement of the woke. 1373 01:04:28,410 --> 01:04:33,415 - Gun owners know that the only truly free people that have ever lived 1374 01:04:33,415 --> 01:04:34,917 have been armed people. 1375 01:04:35,375 --> 01:04:39,588 - President Jerry Falwell, I'm inspired by the work you're doing. 1376 01:04:40,839 --> 01:04:43,717 GIANCARLO: You're forcing them to attend every single speech, 1377 01:04:43,717 --> 01:04:45,344 and you're repeating the same rhetoric. 1378 01:04:45,344 --> 01:04:47,638 To me, that's-- that's kind of like indoctrination. 1379 01:04:47,638 --> 01:04:48,639 - Praise Jesus. - Yes. 1380 01:04:49,348 --> 01:04:51,475 - Jerry and I have gotten to be friends over the last year, 1381 01:04:51,475 --> 01:04:53,685 and I can tell you, my respect for him is boundless. 1382 01:04:53,685 --> 01:04:58,232 - It's so refreshing to come to a university 1383 01:04:58,232 --> 01:05:00,400 where people care about their country, 1384 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,444 and-- and it's okay to say, "Merry Christmas." 1385 01:05:02,861 --> 01:05:04,530 JERRY JR.: John Kelly, Rex Tillerson, 1386 01:05:04,530 --> 01:05:07,908 lots of deep state people, really run the government. 1387 01:05:07,908 --> 01:05:11,662 - That issue of the Confederate flag was not about hate. 1388 01:05:11,662 --> 01:05:15,082 - As Christians, we should be unbelievably concerned 1389 01:05:15,082 --> 01:05:18,836 that the left, first and foremost, they wanna turn government into God. 1390 01:05:19,253 --> 01:05:22,673 DUSTIN: Jerry and Charlie Kirk founded the Falkirk Center. 1391 01:05:22,673 --> 01:05:25,509 It operates as Liberty's think tank. 1392 01:05:25,509 --> 01:05:27,845 But they don't do actual research. 1393 01:05:27,845 --> 01:05:31,515 There's no academic product that comes from the Falkirk Center. 1394 01:05:31,515 --> 01:05:34,643 It's just like a big Trump troll farm. 1395 01:05:34,643 --> 01:05:38,605 CHARLIE KIRK: The launch of this center is answering the important questions: 1396 01:05:38,605 --> 01:05:40,524 Was Jesus Christ a socialist? 1397 01:05:40,524 --> 01:05:43,277 MARK: Jerry had the board under his thumb. 1398 01:05:43,277 --> 01:05:45,571 And as soon as someone from the board spoke up, 1399 01:05:46,154 --> 01:05:47,155 boom. 1400 01:05:47,656 --> 01:05:48,574 REPORTER: New this morning, 1401 01:05:48,574 --> 01:05:51,368 a Liberty University board member has resigned 1402 01:05:51,368 --> 01:05:54,288 after publicly criticizing the school's president. 1403 01:05:54,288 --> 01:05:58,584 DUSTIN: Mark DeMoss was Jerry Falwell Sr.'s personal chief of staff. 1404 01:05:58,584 --> 01:06:01,378 DeMoss speaks to the Washington Post and says, 1405 01:06:01,378 --> 01:06:05,340 "Donald Trump's behavior does not reflect the Christian values 1406 01:06:05,340 --> 01:06:07,968 that have been taught at Liberty for generations." 1407 01:06:07,968 --> 01:06:12,055 That was the last time a board member stood up to challenge Falwell. 1408 01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:14,933 GIANCARLO: At this point, I noticed that Jerry's behavior 1409 01:06:14,933 --> 01:06:17,853 was becoming more just egotistical and arrogant. 1410 01:06:17,853 --> 01:06:19,563 - Can you imagine if the governor was trying 1411 01:06:19,563 --> 01:06:21,690 to take away our First Amendment rights? 1412 01:06:21,690 --> 01:06:24,860 Second Amendment's just as-- just as sacred. 1413 01:06:24,860 --> 01:06:26,945 - The culture at Liberty was affected 1414 01:06:26,945 --> 01:06:29,531 by this permissiveness that Falwell Jr. felt. 1415 01:06:29,531 --> 01:06:31,992 - I think they're gonna be faced with civil disobedience, 1416 01:06:31,992 --> 01:06:35,329 not just by citizens but by police officers. 1417 01:06:35,746 --> 01:06:39,499 GIANCARLO: Jerry was offered the position of secretary of education. 1418 01:06:39,499 --> 01:06:41,293 They said, "Are you gonna take it?" 1419 01:06:41,877 --> 01:06:43,045 And he said, 1420 01:06:43,045 --> 01:06:46,590 "My dad told me that it's better to be a kingmaker than a king." 1421 01:06:46,590 --> 01:06:49,384 I think he was just, like, drunk on power. 1422 01:06:49,384 --> 01:06:50,511 LILIA: And literally drunk, 1423 01:06:50,511 --> 01:06:53,055 with his bottle of tequila in his hand at all times. 1424 01:06:53,055 --> 01:06:56,266 - Mr. Trump learned about Clyde Fra-- Ooh, sorry. 1425 01:06:56,266 --> 01:06:58,101 [crowd laughing] 1426 01:06:58,101 --> 01:07:00,604 - He would walk around campus with a water bottle 1427 01:07:00,604 --> 01:07:02,773 with half-water, half-tequila. 1428 01:07:02,773 --> 01:07:04,942 - A lot of people at Liberty had told me 1429 01:07:04,942 --> 01:07:08,195 that Jerry was drinking during the day at the university, 1430 01:07:08,195 --> 01:07:11,490 that he was going into meetings smelling of alcohol. 1431 01:07:11,490 --> 01:07:13,033 DUSTIN: He literally said-- 1432 01:07:13,033 --> 01:07:16,119 - I couldn't say half the things I say at any other university either. 1433 01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:17,371 [crowd laughing] 1434 01:07:17,371 --> 01:07:18,956 DUSTIN: Which was exactly right. 1435 01:07:18,956 --> 01:07:21,416 He couldn't, uh, because someone would hold him accountable. 1436 01:07:21,416 --> 01:07:23,126 But nobody at Liberty ever did. 1437 01:07:23,126 --> 01:07:24,503 - Look at this. 1438 01:07:24,503 --> 01:07:26,505 [crowd chanting "Jerry"] 1439 01:07:26,505 --> 01:07:28,340 - Jerry texted me a picture 1440 01:07:28,340 --> 01:07:31,468 of a former student exposing herself at his private property. 1441 01:07:33,554 --> 01:07:35,722 MARK: Just think of that young girl's parents. 1442 01:07:35,722 --> 01:07:37,724 They're paying for their kid to go to Liberty, 1443 01:07:37,724 --> 01:07:39,977 and this is the receipt they got? 1444 01:07:39,977 --> 01:07:41,645 - He was basically untouchable. 1445 01:07:42,563 --> 01:07:44,481 ♪ 1446 01:07:44,481 --> 01:07:47,109 They own, like, a 500, 600-acre farm 1447 01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:49,862 with a Confederate cemetery on it. 1448 01:07:50,529 --> 01:07:52,489 [guns firing] Shooting guns in the backyard. 1449 01:07:52,489 --> 01:07:54,700 And then Jerry said, "Well, the good thing is, 1450 01:07:54,700 --> 01:07:57,077 "now I know if Becki were to run away with someone, 1451 01:07:57,077 --> 01:07:58,078 I know who it is." 1452 01:07:58,078 --> 01:08:00,455 He said, "If that were to happen, if she tried to divorce me, 1453 01:08:00,455 --> 01:08:01,748 I'd probably have her killed." 1454 01:08:03,166 --> 01:08:06,336 At that moment, I really took it as a serious threat. 1455 01:08:07,921 --> 01:08:10,966 People have so much influence, they control this town. 1456 01:08:10,966 --> 01:08:15,179 If they wanted to make me disappear, they could do it without a trace. 1457 01:08:15,804 --> 01:08:17,014 LILIA: I mean, at the end of the day, 1458 01:08:17,014 --> 01:08:19,266 Jerry endorsed the guy who ended up becoming president. 1459 01:08:19,266 --> 01:08:21,852 So you're like, "I don't wanna fuck with these people. 1460 01:08:21,852 --> 01:08:24,563 I don't know what they would do to me to keep their charade going." 1461 01:08:24,563 --> 01:08:26,356 You don't know what lengths people are willing to go, 1462 01:08:26,356 --> 01:08:28,275 especially when they have so much to lose. 1463 01:08:29,610 --> 01:08:30,736 GIANCARLO: As time went on, 1464 01:08:30,736 --> 01:08:33,238 his behavior continued to become more radical. 1465 01:08:33,906 --> 01:08:37,659 - How the establishment, the deep state-- They look at all of us as deplorables. 1466 01:08:37,659 --> 01:08:41,455 But I have the distinct honor of being the first person 1467 01:08:41,455 --> 01:08:43,749 that Hillary Clinton called a deplorable. 1468 01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:49,004 It was 2015, and it was right after the San Bernardino shootings, and I said-- 1469 01:08:49,004 --> 01:08:52,341 If some of those people in that community center 1470 01:08:52,341 --> 01:08:55,177 had had what I've got in my back pocket right now-- 1471 01:08:55,177 --> 01:08:56,970 [crowd cheering] 1472 01:08:59,056 --> 01:09:02,893 If more good people had concealed carry permits, 1473 01:09:02,893 --> 01:09:04,686 then we could end those Muslims 1474 01:09:04,686 --> 01:09:07,064 before they-- before they walk in and kill. 1475 01:09:07,064 --> 01:09:08,774 [crowd cheering] 1476 01:09:08,774 --> 01:09:12,486 - At this point, I didn't really see much common ground with Jerry anymore. 1477 01:09:12,486 --> 01:09:16,532 - It just boggles my mind that anybody would be against 1478 01:09:16,532 --> 01:09:19,660 what Jesus told his disciples in Luke 22:36. 1479 01:09:19,660 --> 01:09:23,580 He told 'em if they had to sell their coat to buy a sword, to do it. 1480 01:09:23,580 --> 01:09:25,541 Because he knew danger was coming, 1481 01:09:25,541 --> 01:09:27,668 and he wanted them to defend themselves. 1482 01:09:27,668 --> 01:09:28,669 [crowd applauding] 1483 01:09:28,669 --> 01:09:32,631 GIANCARLO: We have seen the divide happen between Conservatives and Liberals, 1484 01:09:32,631 --> 01:09:34,258 and, you know, he was cognizant of that. 1485 01:09:34,258 --> 01:09:35,509 He would just always bring it up. 1486 01:09:35,509 --> 01:09:39,096 - Virginians, including my family, went to war in the Revolutionary War. 1487 01:09:39,096 --> 01:09:41,306 Revolution always bubbles up. 1488 01:09:42,850 --> 01:09:44,476 CHILD: Wow, good shot! 1489 01:09:44,476 --> 01:09:46,812 - That's what's happened with President Trump. 1490 01:09:46,812 --> 01:09:49,940 And so they can-- they can oppress people for a while, 1491 01:09:49,940 --> 01:09:52,943 but, eventually, people speak for themselves, 1492 01:09:52,943 --> 01:09:53,986 and they've had enough. 1493 01:09:55,195 --> 01:09:57,322 GIANCARLO: He would say, "We're so close to a civil war." 1494 01:09:58,240 --> 01:09:59,241 - Got it. 1495 01:09:59,241 --> 01:10:03,829 - I'm noticing this really obvious, blatant divide within our country. 1496 01:10:04,913 --> 01:10:09,459 This extreme violent rhetoric being pushed by Trump 1497 01:10:09,459 --> 01:10:11,920 and everyone within his orbit, including Jerry. 1498 01:10:12,462 --> 01:10:15,174 I started noticing that there's actual consequences to these words. 1499 01:10:15,174 --> 01:10:16,216 It's not just words anymore. 1500 01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:18,010 It's leading to violence. 1501 01:10:18,427 --> 01:10:20,345 DONALD: People proudly had their Confederate flags. 1502 01:10:20,345 --> 01:10:21,805 They're not talking about racism. 1503 01:10:21,805 --> 01:10:22,848 They love their flag. 1504 01:10:22,848 --> 01:10:25,100 It represents the South. They like the South. 1505 01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:26,518 People, right now, like the South. 1506 01:10:27,102 --> 01:10:29,813 REPORTER 1: A young white man accused of killing nine people-- 1507 01:10:29,813 --> 01:10:31,982 REPORTER 2: Roof revealed that he chose the church 1508 01:10:31,982 --> 01:10:34,776 because it was a historic African American church. 1509 01:10:34,776 --> 01:10:38,363 - Corrupt, power-hungry globalists. 1510 01:10:38,363 --> 01:10:39,907 You know what a globalist is, right? 1511 01:10:39,907 --> 01:10:41,575 You know what a globalist is. 1512 01:10:41,992 --> 01:10:44,453 REPORTER 1: A gunman burst into the Tree of Life Temple 1513 01:10:44,453 --> 01:10:46,788 down the tree-lined streets of Squirrel Hill. 1514 01:10:47,289 --> 01:10:48,624 11 people killed. 1515 01:10:48,624 --> 01:10:50,751 The shooter's social media page stating... 1516 01:10:55,339 --> 01:10:57,799 REPORTER 2: Do you think somebody's helping that caravan? 1517 01:11:00,469 --> 01:11:02,888 DONALD: I wouldn't-- I don't know who, but I-- I wouldn't be surprised. 1518 01:11:02,888 --> 01:11:04,056 A lot of people say, "Yes." 1519 01:11:04,056 --> 01:11:07,935 - The shooter had posted about the caravan of migrants 1520 01:11:07,935 --> 01:11:11,939 moving up from, uh, Central America, called them invaders. 1521 01:11:11,939 --> 01:11:15,067 - That's an invasion. That's not-- That's an invasion. 1522 01:11:15,984 --> 01:11:18,195 - And then, you-- you have what happened in Charlottesville. 1523 01:11:24,409 --> 01:11:26,078 REPORTER 1: Hundreds of white nationalists, 1524 01:11:26,078 --> 01:11:27,955 some wearing what appeared to be uniforms, 1525 01:11:27,955 --> 01:11:30,832 carrying weapons, Confederate flags, and Nazi symbols-- 1526 01:11:30,832 --> 01:11:32,251 [crowd screaming] 1527 01:11:32,251 --> 01:11:36,171 A horrifying scene, as this car plowed into a crowd of people. 1528 01:11:36,171 --> 01:11:38,173 - Very bad people in that group. 1529 01:11:38,173 --> 01:11:43,762 But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. 1530 01:11:44,346 --> 01:11:46,598 - Falwell rushed to Donald Trump's defense 1531 01:11:46,598 --> 01:11:47,641 as eagerly as ever. 1532 01:11:48,517 --> 01:11:50,269 JERRY JR.: One of the reasons I supported him 1533 01:11:50,269 --> 01:11:54,189 is because he doesn't say what's politically correct, 1534 01:11:54,189 --> 01:11:56,817 he says what's in his heart, what he believes. 1535 01:11:56,817 --> 01:11:58,569 And sometimes, that gets him in trouble. 1536 01:11:59,194 --> 01:12:02,531 MATTHEW: The seeds of that were in the work of people like Jerry Falwell 1537 01:12:02,531 --> 01:12:04,116 generations earlier. 1538 01:12:04,116 --> 01:12:06,577 He laid the foundations for-- for this kind of political violence 1539 01:12:06,577 --> 01:12:08,662 that we've seen, really, since the 1990s. 1540 01:12:08,662 --> 01:12:11,248 - The man charged with killing an abortion doctor 1541 01:12:11,248 --> 01:12:13,792 says he has a defense, the Bible! 1542 01:12:14,793 --> 01:12:20,591 - Roe vs. Wade has resulted in 10 to 12 million deaths of little children. 1543 01:12:21,717 --> 01:12:24,386 MATTHEW: Jerry Falwell has unleashed demons 1544 01:12:24,386 --> 01:12:25,971 that he can no longer control. 1545 01:12:25,971 --> 01:12:27,306 [explosion blasting] [screaming] 1546 01:12:27,806 --> 01:12:29,808 JERRY SR.: Contrary to the wishes of the founders 1547 01:12:29,808 --> 01:12:34,021 who wanted neutrality as the policy of the government toward religion, 1548 01:12:34,021 --> 01:12:36,231 in fact, the government was becoming hostile, 1549 01:12:36,231 --> 01:12:37,733 in my opinion, towards religion. 1550 01:12:37,733 --> 01:12:39,359 - This new Christian nationalism 1551 01:12:39,359 --> 01:12:41,737 gives rise to things like the Oklahoma City bombing-- 1552 01:12:41,737 --> 01:12:44,990 REPORTER 1: It looks like part of the building has been blown away. 1553 01:12:44,990 --> 01:12:47,242 REPORTER 2: Look at that shot. REPORTER 1: Wow. Holy cow! 1554 01:12:47,242 --> 01:12:48,827 REPORTER 2: It is absolutely incredible. 1555 01:12:48,827 --> 01:12:50,704 - And nobody's bothering you, right? - Well-- 1556 01:12:50,704 --> 01:12:51,747 [explosion blasting] 1557 01:12:52,456 --> 01:12:54,791 BILL CLINTON: The bombing at Centennial Olympic Park this morning 1558 01:12:54,791 --> 01:12:56,627 was an evil act of terror. 1559 01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:58,337 REPORTER 1: Eric Rudolph is charged with 1560 01:12:58,337 --> 01:13:01,131 the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing. 1561 01:13:01,131 --> 01:13:05,093 REPORTER 2: Rudolph next struck at a Sandy Springs, Georgia, abortion clinic, 1562 01:13:05,093 --> 01:13:06,428 then a gay bar in Atlanta, 1563 01:13:06,428 --> 01:13:09,556 and finally, another abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama. 1564 01:13:09,556 --> 01:13:12,809 REPORTER 3: Rudolph is believed to belong to the Christian identity 1565 01:13:12,809 --> 01:13:15,062 known as a white supremacist sect. 1566 01:13:15,062 --> 01:13:16,688 MATTHEW: One thing Jerry Sr. taught us 1567 01:13:16,688 --> 01:13:21,068 was that politics, demagoguery, and hysteria is a way to make more money, 1568 01:13:21,068 --> 01:13:22,653 give them more influence and more power. 1569 01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:24,947 And so, Jerry Jr. recognizes this 1570 01:13:24,947 --> 01:13:27,574 and really picks up with what his father had started. 1571 01:13:27,574 --> 01:13:31,662 - I did notice that the only time the president calls me to go on TV 1572 01:13:31,662 --> 01:13:33,038 is when he's in real trouble. 1573 01:13:33,038 --> 01:13:35,624 - I felt guilty. I'm like, "I know the truth about Jerry. 1574 01:13:35,624 --> 01:13:37,626 "He's trying to appear as this, like, strongman, 1575 01:13:37,626 --> 01:13:40,504 but I know him as just the cuck in the corner of the room." 1576 01:13:43,549 --> 01:13:47,052 ARAM ROSTON: I started looking at Jerry Falwell, 1577 01:13:47,052 --> 01:13:49,763 in part, because of his endorsement for Trump. 1578 01:13:50,556 --> 01:13:51,849 For a lot of people, it was a surprise. 1579 01:13:51,849 --> 01:13:55,227 Trump didn't fit the model, necessarily, of the evangelical candidate. 1580 01:13:55,811 --> 01:13:56,812 It was a puzzle. 1581 01:13:58,564 --> 01:14:01,108 One of the things you routinely do as a-- as a journalist 1582 01:14:01,108 --> 01:14:02,609 is you look at people's backgrounds, 1583 01:14:02,609 --> 01:14:05,028 and one of those things is litigation. 1584 01:14:05,028 --> 01:14:08,657 And that's where I saw, you know, this-- this-- this lawsuit. 1585 01:14:11,243 --> 01:14:13,120 The lawsuit alleged 1586 01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:18,166 that this father and son had been inappropriately cut out 1587 01:14:18,166 --> 01:14:19,793 of this business transaction 1588 01:14:19,793 --> 01:14:23,630 involving this youth hostel, Giancarlo Granda, and Falwell. 1589 01:14:24,882 --> 01:14:27,134 I did my best to find Giancarlo Granda. 1590 01:14:27,134 --> 01:14:28,927 I did my best to figure out who he was. 1591 01:14:31,471 --> 01:14:32,931 GIANCARLO: Aram Roston texted me, 1592 01:14:32,931 --> 01:14:35,225 introducing himself, that he's a journalist, 1593 01:14:35,225 --> 01:14:37,186 and he would like to have a conversation with me. 1594 01:14:38,687 --> 01:14:41,273 He was asking questions about the lawsuit, 1595 01:14:41,273 --> 01:14:43,025 about Michael Cohen. 1596 01:14:43,025 --> 01:14:45,277 I realized that this was gonna get messy. 1597 01:14:46,236 --> 01:14:48,113 But I was instructed by the Falwells 1598 01:14:48,113 --> 01:14:49,198 to give him no comment, 1599 01:14:49,198 --> 01:14:52,117 and just to communicate with my attorney, or Jerry. 1600 01:14:53,493 --> 01:14:54,828 LILIA: What do you do, right? 1601 01:14:54,828 --> 01:14:56,330 He didn't know what the right thing was. 1602 01:14:56,330 --> 01:15:00,042 And then has the Falwells really putting the pressure on him now 1603 01:15:00,042 --> 01:15:02,044 like, "This is the time. We gotta stick together. 1604 01:15:02,044 --> 01:15:03,212 They don't have anything." 1605 01:15:03,212 --> 01:15:05,672 But at the end of the day, you know, my brother was worried, 1606 01:15:05,672 --> 01:15:06,798 as he should've been, 1607 01:15:06,798 --> 01:15:10,052 because people are gonna dig and more things are gonna come out. 1608 01:15:10,052 --> 01:15:14,181 - Everything that I was afraid of was about to actually materialize here. 1609 01:15:14,181 --> 01:15:16,350 Uh, the whole world was gonna find out about it. 1610 01:15:16,350 --> 01:15:19,353 ♪ 1611 01:15:19,353 --> 01:15:20,687 ARAM: Our first BuzzFeed story, 1612 01:15:20,687 --> 01:15:23,815 it disclosed the existence of this business relationship, 1613 01:15:23,815 --> 01:15:26,735 this unusual litigation, 1614 01:15:26,735 --> 01:15:28,570 this unusual youth hostel, 1615 01:15:29,071 --> 01:15:31,365 the involvement of the pool attendant. 1616 01:15:31,365 --> 01:15:33,492 It also mentioned Michael Cohen. 1617 01:15:33,492 --> 01:15:37,663 And it also mentioned the endorsement and how important that endorsement was. 1618 01:15:39,081 --> 01:15:43,836 A source said that even before announcing his candidacy, 1619 01:15:44,253 --> 01:15:46,755 this source believed there was an understanding 1620 01:15:46,755 --> 01:15:48,882 that Trump would get Falwell's endorsements, 1621 01:15:49,466 --> 01:15:51,718 which meant there was some sort of relationship 1622 01:15:51,718 --> 01:15:53,512 between Falwell and Trump, 1623 01:15:53,512 --> 01:15:54,805 and I was trying to understand that. 1624 01:15:56,139 --> 01:15:59,893 What was clear was that we didn't know as much as we thought we knew 1625 01:15:59,893 --> 01:16:01,311 about the Falwells. 1626 01:16:04,815 --> 01:16:08,861 - I should tell you that they don't have what you're telling me they have, 1627 01:16:08,861 --> 01:16:12,239 because he made it sound like they told him... 1628 01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:13,198 - Mm-hmm. 1629 01:16:13,198 --> 01:16:16,660 - ...that they have pictures that supported their theory... 1630 01:16:16,660 --> 01:16:17,494 - Mm-hmm. 1631 01:16:17,494 --> 01:16:20,289 - ...that there was something going on between you and me. 1632 01:16:20,289 --> 01:16:21,290 - Yeah. 1633 01:16:21,290 --> 01:16:23,417 - Just wanna let you know, this is gonna work out fine. 1634 01:16:23,417 --> 01:16:24,418 - Yeah. 1635 01:16:25,252 --> 01:16:27,045 - I'm going to bed. Good night, y'all. 1636 01:16:27,045 --> 01:16:28,338 - Okay. - All right, have a good night. 1637 01:16:28,338 --> 01:16:30,048 - You wait. You can talk to me. 1638 01:16:30,757 --> 01:16:32,634 - I'm actually really tired too. 1639 01:16:32,634 --> 01:16:34,178 - I'm sure you are. 1640 01:16:35,929 --> 01:16:36,930 It's so hard. 1641 01:16:37,890 --> 01:16:38,891 - Yeah. 1642 01:16:39,641 --> 01:16:41,018 - Especially when we're not talking, 1643 01:16:41,018 --> 01:16:42,311 I just feel lost. 1644 01:16:43,312 --> 01:16:44,980 [sighs heavily] 1645 01:16:46,231 --> 01:16:47,774 I'm sorry about all this. 1646 01:16:48,525 --> 01:16:50,235 - Anyways, I'm gonna go to bed, okay? 1647 01:16:51,153 --> 01:16:52,321 - Okay. 1648 01:16:52,321 --> 01:16:53,989 - All right. Good night. 1649 01:16:55,490 --> 01:16:56,491 - I love you. 1650 01:16:57,492 --> 01:16:58,493 - Love you too. 1651 01:16:59,411 --> 01:17:02,664 - After the BuzzFeed story, Giancarlo's fucked. 1652 01:17:04,041 --> 01:17:05,250 You go on the internet, 1653 01:17:05,250 --> 01:17:09,421 and anything attached to his name read "Pool Boy," 1654 01:17:09,421 --> 01:17:13,008 which became a meme in short order 1655 01:17:13,008 --> 01:17:17,346 and really started to upend Giancarlo's life. 1656 01:17:17,346 --> 01:17:19,264 - They don't really have all the facts. 1657 01:17:19,264 --> 01:17:20,807 They started just spreading lies. 1658 01:17:21,308 --> 01:17:23,727 LILIA: My brother now, he's in a bad place. 1659 01:17:23,727 --> 01:17:27,147 He's upset, falls into, like, this depression. 1660 01:17:27,147 --> 01:17:29,399 - It was the first time my name appeared in the press. 1661 01:17:29,816 --> 01:17:31,944 No one taught me how to deal with it. 1662 01:17:31,944 --> 01:17:33,111 It sucks. 1663 01:17:33,654 --> 01:17:37,658 LILIA: Imagine that your job that you had when you were in college 1664 01:17:37,658 --> 01:17:39,117 for one year of your life, 1665 01:17:39,117 --> 01:17:42,371 that that's what now you're associated with forever. 1666 01:17:44,331 --> 01:17:46,625 - This is definitely a manifestation of my worst fears, 1667 01:17:46,625 --> 01:17:49,044 from-- dating back to 2012. 1668 01:17:51,421 --> 01:17:53,841 MARK: Perhaps BuzzFeed did him a favor, 1669 01:17:53,841 --> 01:17:56,468 'cause it planted the seeds for his escape. 1670 01:17:56,468 --> 01:18:00,013 [phone line ringing] 1671 01:18:00,013 --> 01:18:02,850 And as if this story can't get more bizarre, 1672 01:18:02,850 --> 01:18:04,351 enter Tom Arnold. 1673 01:18:04,685 --> 01:18:06,895 MICHAEL COHEN: [over phone] Hello? - Hey, buddy. Tom Arnold. 1674 01:18:07,437 --> 01:18:08,480 MICHAEL: [over phone] Tom, how are you? 1675 01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:10,357 - Happy 4th of July. Happy Independence Day. 1676 01:18:10,357 --> 01:18:11,900 MICHAEL: [over phone] Same to you. Same to you. 1677 01:18:11,900 --> 01:18:13,068 How are you doing? - I'm doing well. 1678 01:18:13,068 --> 01:18:18,365 ARAM: So Tom Arnold audiotaped a conversation he had with Michael Cohen 1679 01:18:18,365 --> 01:18:20,617 about the Falwells. 1680 01:18:20,617 --> 01:18:25,956 And Michael Cohen told Tom Arnold about this episode. 1681 01:18:25,956 --> 01:18:27,583 MICHAEL: [over phone] And I'm just disappointed. 1682 01:18:27,583 --> 01:18:30,002 Donald doesn't speak to me anymore. 1683 01:18:30,002 --> 01:18:33,338 Um, even the Falwells, who I brought to the table. 1684 01:18:33,338 --> 01:18:34,840 - Yes, you did. You did. 1685 01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,134 MICHAEL: [over phone] None of the evangelicals wanted to support Trump. 1686 01:18:37,134 --> 01:18:39,428 - Right. Well, you definitely brought the Falwells in. 1687 01:18:39,428 --> 01:18:41,471 You definitely-- With that-- 1688 01:18:41,471 --> 01:18:45,267 I mean, you did the deal with, uh, the pool, uh, the pool boy. 1689 01:18:45,267 --> 01:18:48,437 ARAM: And Michael Cohen laid out for him the scenario 1690 01:18:48,437 --> 01:18:49,771 where he said there were, 1691 01:18:49,771 --> 01:18:52,774 what Michael Cohen called, personal photos. 1692 01:18:52,774 --> 01:18:54,693 Uh, he said that they were the type of photos 1693 01:18:54,693 --> 01:18:57,821 that a couple wants to keep between themselves. 1694 01:18:57,821 --> 01:18:58,572 - Yeah. 1695 01:18:58,572 --> 01:19:01,074 MICHAEL: [over phone] But there's a bunch of photographs, 1696 01:19:01,074 --> 01:19:03,410 you know, personal photographs, you know? 1697 01:19:03,410 --> 01:19:05,913 The evangelicals are kinkier than Tom Arnold. 1698 01:19:05,913 --> 01:19:09,082 - I became a little obsessed with this Jerry Falwell thing 1699 01:19:09,082 --> 01:19:12,377 because Jerry Falwell gave license to all the other evangelicals 1700 01:19:12,377 --> 01:19:14,379 to go, "Yeah, this is the guy." 1701 01:19:15,047 --> 01:19:17,132 I had a show called The Hunt for the Trump Tapes. 1702 01:19:17,132 --> 01:19:19,635 I-- I wanted to meet everybody in Trump's world 1703 01:19:19,635 --> 01:19:20,844 that was kinda pushed out. 1704 01:19:20,844 --> 01:19:23,680 And so I just wanted to connect the dots-- I wanted the truth. 1705 01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:25,015 MICHAEL: [over phone] It's terrible, you know? 1706 01:19:25,015 --> 01:19:28,268 Nobody wants their-- You know, their private photos. 1707 01:19:28,268 --> 01:19:29,978 Especially not when you have children 1708 01:19:29,978 --> 01:19:31,396 and now grandchildren. - Oh, geez. 1709 01:19:31,396 --> 01:19:33,982 MICHAEL: [over phone] So my heart went out for Becki, you know? 1710 01:19:33,982 --> 01:19:36,109 I loved them. They were like family to me. 1711 01:19:36,109 --> 01:19:37,903 - He goes, "No, no, what I did," 1712 01:19:37,903 --> 01:19:40,197 and he explains what he did for the Falwells. 1713 01:19:40,614 --> 01:19:44,826 And he's like, "No, it wasn't like sex. It's like a boudoir picture of Becki." 1714 01:19:44,826 --> 01:19:45,827 And then he says-- 1715 01:19:45,827 --> 01:19:47,287 MICHAEL: [over phone] I actually have one of the photos. 1716 01:19:47,704 --> 01:19:49,665 - He has-- He showed me some pictures. 1717 01:19:49,665 --> 01:19:53,252 I feel like a bit of a scumbag too because 1718 01:19:53,836 --> 01:19:57,297 even the "boudoir" pictures are like porn. 1719 01:19:58,131 --> 01:19:59,758 But that's not the end of this story. 1720 01:20:00,175 --> 01:20:05,472 Michael Cohen used the pictures to say, "Hey, look what I did for you. 1721 01:20:05,472 --> 01:20:07,224 Now I need you to do something for me." 1722 01:20:07,224 --> 01:20:09,142 It-- It was a quid pro quo. 1723 01:20:10,477 --> 01:20:12,896 - The Falwells enlisted Michael Cohen's help 1724 01:20:12,896 --> 01:20:15,315 to make this blackmail threat go away. 1725 01:20:15,315 --> 01:20:17,109 Then the following January, 1726 01:20:17,109 --> 01:20:18,569 Cohen helped persuade Falwell 1727 01:20:18,569 --> 01:20:21,363 to issue his endorsement of Trump's presidential candidacy. 1728 01:20:21,947 --> 01:20:25,158 - When Michael Cohen published his book, he was very specific. 1729 01:20:25,158 --> 01:20:30,122 He said he would call in this favor, not for himself but for the Boss, 1730 01:20:30,122 --> 01:20:34,168 at a crucial moment in his journey to the presidency. 1731 01:20:34,168 --> 01:20:36,795 - It's fair to say that Jerry was gonna endorse Trump, 1732 01:20:36,795 --> 01:20:40,465 but the compromising material that Michael Cohen had, 1733 01:20:40,465 --> 01:20:42,467 I think that was just insurance. 1734 01:20:42,467 --> 01:20:45,470 ♪ 1735 01:20:51,476 --> 01:20:54,229 - These events may have changed the course of history, 1736 01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:58,567 but in the New York Times' quest to explain why Falwell endorsed Trump, 1737 01:20:58,567 --> 01:21:02,112 they left the most important question unanswered: 1738 01:21:02,613 --> 01:21:04,489 Did someone fuck the pool guy? 1739 01:21:04,489 --> 01:21:07,242 [audience laughing] 1740 01:21:07,242 --> 01:21:10,037 ♪ Wake up, Becki ♪ 1741 01:21:12,164 --> 01:21:15,083 ♪ I've got something to say ♪ 1742 01:21:15,083 --> 01:21:17,252 ♪ Listen to me... ♪ 1743 01:21:17,252 --> 01:21:21,423 - My brother, in 2018, gets accepted into grad school at Georgetown, 1744 01:21:21,423 --> 01:21:22,424 to the master's program. 1745 01:21:22,424 --> 01:21:24,343 So we make a road trip out of it. 1746 01:21:24,343 --> 01:21:27,346 ♪ 1747 01:21:28,931 --> 01:21:32,976 It's me, my mom, my brother, and the dog. 1748 01:21:36,855 --> 01:21:39,900 GIANCARLO: We go to DC. My family's helping me move into my new apartment. 1749 01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,403 ♪ 1750 01:21:45,989 --> 01:21:48,283 I get a phone call from Jerry. 1751 01:21:48,283 --> 01:21:51,036 He said, "Hey, we have this event at the White House, 1752 01:21:51,036 --> 01:21:53,539 "but after that, we're going to the Trump Hotel. 1753 01:21:53,539 --> 01:21:54,581 You guys should come over." 1754 01:21:54,581 --> 01:21:57,584 ♪ 1755 01:22:00,712 --> 01:22:02,297 LILIA: They were at the White House for-- 1756 01:22:02,297 --> 01:22:04,216 It was some sort of evangelical event. 1757 01:22:04,216 --> 01:22:08,053 Every top preacher in the country was there that night at the White House. 1758 01:22:08,887 --> 01:22:10,889 GIANCARLO: Meet up with the Falwells at the Trump Hotel. 1759 01:22:11,557 --> 01:22:14,351 ♪ Becki, I'm almost home... ♪ 1760 01:22:14,351 --> 01:22:17,271 - Everyone's drinking and having a really good time. 1761 01:22:17,271 --> 01:22:20,023 There was one in particular that, I had no idea who she was, 1762 01:22:20,023 --> 01:22:22,359 but my mom's like, "Oh, she's on TV. What's her name?" 1763 01:22:22,359 --> 01:22:26,905 [speaking in tongues] 1764 01:22:26,905 --> 01:22:28,907 - Her act is-- is crazy! 1765 01:22:28,907 --> 01:22:33,328 [continues speaking in tongues] 1766 01:22:33,328 --> 01:22:35,330 But when you meet her in person, she's nothing like that. 1767 01:22:35,330 --> 01:22:38,709 She's kinda flirting with people. She was flirting with me. 1768 01:22:39,543 --> 01:22:43,881 - I think that night my mom had a kind of a-- a come-to-Jesus moment. 1769 01:22:43,881 --> 01:22:47,551 - She's like, "Oh, I understand now. It's all a show." 1770 01:22:47,551 --> 01:22:49,261 They have a public image, 1771 01:22:49,261 --> 01:22:52,598 but behind the scenes, they're all freaks. 1772 01:22:53,974 --> 01:22:57,519 LILIA: I think my mom was like, "Okay, um, I think we're good. 1773 01:22:57,519 --> 01:22:59,229 "We don't need to be around them anymore. 1774 01:22:59,229 --> 01:23:00,272 Like, ever again." 1775 01:23:00,272 --> 01:23:03,275 ♪ 1776 01:23:07,279 --> 01:23:09,865 GIANCARLO: I'm in my first semester of grad school, 1777 01:23:09,865 --> 01:23:11,867 and I'm trying to just move away from the Falwells. 1778 01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:14,953 LILIA: Once he starts school, 1779 01:23:14,953 --> 01:23:15,954 he's loving it. 1780 01:23:15,954 --> 01:23:17,664 He loves DC. 1781 01:23:17,664 --> 01:23:19,124 He's making new friends. 1782 01:23:19,124 --> 01:23:20,959 He starts applying for jobs. 1783 01:23:22,211 --> 01:23:25,464 It's a little difficult for him to even get people to call him, 1784 01:23:25,464 --> 01:23:26,965 because they're googling his name, 1785 01:23:26,965 --> 01:23:29,259 and no one wants to be associated with this. 1786 01:23:29,968 --> 01:23:31,637 GIANCARLO: It was just 'cause they were worried. 1787 01:23:31,637 --> 01:23:33,805 Like, why would they go with me 1788 01:23:33,805 --> 01:23:36,600 where there's so many other people with a similar resume 1789 01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,435 with no national scandal? 1790 01:23:38,435 --> 01:23:41,939 - But he finally gets this interview with this company. 1791 01:23:41,939 --> 01:23:43,482 He's super excited. 1792 01:23:43,482 --> 01:23:45,108 - The hiring manager emailed me 1793 01:23:45,108 --> 01:23:49,196 saying, "Congratulations. We wanna move forward with hiring you." 1794 01:23:49,196 --> 01:23:50,572 Right there, he offered me the job. 1795 01:23:50,572 --> 01:23:56,036 LILIA: Finally, he sees some sort of light at this end of this, like, insane tunnel. 1796 01:23:56,036 --> 01:23:57,538 - It was exactly what I needed. 1797 01:23:57,538 --> 01:24:01,375 I was so excited, that, um, I just-- I shared it with Becki. 1798 01:24:02,125 --> 01:24:04,127 The following week, I get an email from the firm, 1799 01:24:04,545 --> 01:24:07,005 and the hiring manager rescinded the offer. 1800 01:24:10,217 --> 01:24:11,718 And, you know, there's times where I felt like 1801 01:24:11,718 --> 01:24:14,555 he was purposefully sabotaging everything around me 1802 01:24:14,555 --> 01:24:18,350 in order to keep me close and them being my only option. 1803 01:24:18,851 --> 01:24:20,435 I just felt so overwhelmed. 1804 01:24:21,103 --> 01:24:24,690 That's it. I'm forever attached to the Falwell name. 1805 01:24:24,690 --> 01:24:26,233 I was so loyal to this family. 1806 01:24:26,233 --> 01:24:28,527 I protected them. I lied for them. 1807 01:24:28,527 --> 01:24:31,196 And I end up getting attacked by the media, 1808 01:24:31,196 --> 01:24:32,406 and I'm still defending them. 1809 01:24:33,532 --> 01:24:35,033 Everything was crumbling. 1810 01:24:35,033 --> 01:24:36,493 I felt like there's no way out. 1811 01:24:36,493 --> 01:24:37,953 It's all over for me. 1812 01:24:37,953 --> 01:24:40,372 - He felt like that was just really the end of the world, 1813 01:24:40,372 --> 01:24:42,374 so he went into a really dark place. 1814 01:24:42,374 --> 01:24:45,002 It was a really difficult time. 1815 01:24:46,753 --> 01:24:48,964 - I started contemplating suicide. 1816 01:24:48,964 --> 01:24:51,175 I just wanted to go away peacefully. 1817 01:24:51,175 --> 01:24:52,676 And I told Becki, I said, 1818 01:24:52,676 --> 01:24:55,846 "My life and my reputation, everything is completely ruined." 1819 01:25:02,728 --> 01:25:03,729 Um... 1820 01:25:04,688 --> 01:25:06,732 Then at that moment, I just thought about my, uh, 1821 01:25:07,733 --> 01:25:10,485 I thought about my mom, and my dad, and my sister 1822 01:25:11,278 --> 01:25:13,405 and I just-- I couldn't-- I couldn't make them go through that, 1823 01:25:13,405 --> 01:25:15,115 so I just-- I stopped. 1824 01:25:16,909 --> 01:25:18,368 Just-- I-- I need a moment. 1825 01:25:22,706 --> 01:25:24,625 LILIA: You know, getting calls from your brother 1826 01:25:24,625 --> 01:25:26,960 telling you that he wants to kill himself, 1827 01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:28,504 that there's no way out of this, 1828 01:25:29,296 --> 01:25:30,923 he's never gonna recover. 1829 01:25:30,923 --> 01:25:31,924 It's-- 1830 01:25:32,674 --> 01:25:37,179 It's hard to [clears throat] explain what that feeling is like 1831 01:25:37,179 --> 01:25:40,557 when someone that you love so much, 1832 01:25:40,557 --> 01:25:44,478 someone that you want nothing but the best for, is-- 1833 01:25:46,021 --> 01:25:47,731 is thinking of hurting himself. 1834 01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:49,608 [exhales] 1835 01:25:56,907 --> 01:25:58,617 - That was obviously a dark time, 1836 01:25:58,617 --> 01:26:02,329 so... just had to relive it at that moment there. 1837 01:26:02,329 --> 01:26:04,540 But [clears throat] should be good now. 1838 01:26:07,709 --> 01:26:10,796 - And then, to add insult to the injury, 1839 01:26:10,796 --> 01:26:14,591 for an undisclosed amount to make this lawsuit disappear, 1840 01:26:14,591 --> 01:26:18,303 Jerry Falwell Jr. settles with Tito Fernandez. 1841 01:26:19,304 --> 01:26:22,099 GIANCARLO: There were three events that pushed me to rock bottom 1842 01:26:22,099 --> 01:26:24,434 and left me at a crossroads. 1843 01:26:24,434 --> 01:26:27,855 The first one was losing out on the job offer. 1844 01:26:28,730 --> 01:26:32,359 The second was Jerry settling with Tito. 1845 01:26:42,494 --> 01:26:46,123 - Meanwhile, my brother, who actually worked his ass off for years 1846 01:26:46,123 --> 01:26:49,376 running this building, managing it, overseeing it, 1847 01:26:50,252 --> 01:26:51,712 he had actual stakes in it. 1848 01:26:52,462 --> 01:26:54,173 - How do you think Giancarlo felt 1849 01:26:54,173 --> 01:26:59,928 knowing that of all people to get a check, it would be Jesus Fernandez? 1850 01:27:00,596 --> 01:27:02,598 GIANCARLO: I was upset because they settled, 1851 01:27:02,598 --> 01:27:05,434 but there was no more talks about buying me out 1852 01:27:05,434 --> 01:27:08,979 or any word from Jerry saying that he was gonna honor his promise. 1853 01:27:08,979 --> 01:27:10,647 They just kept stringing me along. 1854 01:27:10,647 --> 01:27:13,942 - They, you know, dangled the carrot of, like, "We're gonna help you. 1855 01:27:13,942 --> 01:27:17,154 "We're gonna set you up with, you know, real estate and get you going 1856 01:27:17,154 --> 01:27:19,406 so you can fulfill all of your dreams." 1857 01:27:19,406 --> 01:27:22,034 And they just completely fucked him in the end. 1858 01:27:22,868 --> 01:27:24,161 GIANCARLO: I texted Jerry. 1859 01:27:32,044 --> 01:27:33,921 "Just own up to your promises 1860 01:27:33,921 --> 01:27:36,089 and we can move on with our lives in a peaceful manner." 1861 01:27:36,757 --> 01:27:40,302 - He wasn't threatening them, he was saying, "I want my life back. 1862 01:27:40,302 --> 01:27:41,512 "Give me what you owe me. 1863 01:27:41,512 --> 01:27:45,057 "Let's call it a day. Let's go our separate ways. 1864 01:27:45,057 --> 01:27:46,433 Let's be done with this." 1865 01:27:46,433 --> 01:27:50,312 - The third and final blow was... what broke all of us. 1866 01:27:50,312 --> 01:27:51,647 It was summer 2020. 1867 01:27:52,648 --> 01:27:54,024 REPORTER 1: In just a few short months, 1868 01:27:54,024 --> 01:27:58,195 this pandemic has infected some two million here at home. 1869 01:27:58,195 --> 01:28:00,280 MARK: So by the summer of 2020, 1870 01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,659 the mood in this country was like, "Is the world gonna end? 1871 01:28:03,659 --> 01:28:06,912 Was Jerry Sr. right? Are end times upon us?" 1872 01:28:06,912 --> 01:28:11,250 I mean, it's biblical how fucked up this world had become. 1873 01:28:11,834 --> 01:28:13,335 REPORTER 1: 100,000. 1874 01:28:13,335 --> 01:28:17,130 The obituary names grow daily with no end in sight. 1875 01:28:17,130 --> 01:28:18,632 JERRY JR.: There's some bad strain of the flu 1876 01:28:18,632 --> 01:28:20,175 that comes in every two years. 1877 01:28:20,175 --> 01:28:22,177 For some reason, it's always on election years. 1878 01:28:22,177 --> 01:28:23,846 I don't-- I don't know why that is. 1879 01:28:23,846 --> 01:28:26,265 GIANCARLO: 2020, it was a terrible year. 1880 01:28:26,265 --> 01:28:27,516 We had the pandemic. 1881 01:28:27,516 --> 01:28:28,600 George Floyd's murdered. 1882 01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,019 [protesters chanting "I can't breathe!"] 1883 01:28:31,019 --> 01:28:33,230 Civil unrest is unfolding, 1884 01:28:33,230 --> 01:28:34,189 it's intensifying. 1885 01:28:34,189 --> 01:28:36,275 [crowd clamoring] 1886 01:28:36,275 --> 01:28:38,443 And then you have Trump just, uh, kind of doubling down 1887 01:28:38,443 --> 01:28:40,863 and not trying to unite the country. 1888 01:28:40,863 --> 01:28:42,197 Instead, he was enjoying this. 1889 01:28:42,197 --> 01:28:43,824 And he was magnifying this division. 1890 01:28:44,324 --> 01:28:47,160 DONALD: You know what I say? Protesters, your ass. 1891 01:28:47,911 --> 01:28:50,372 These are not acts of peaceful protest. 1892 01:28:50,372 --> 01:28:53,250 These are acts of domestic terror. 1893 01:28:54,001 --> 01:28:55,752 - You know, initially, going back to 2012, 1894 01:28:55,752 --> 01:28:56,962 I admired Trump. 1895 01:28:56,962 --> 01:28:59,506 I thought he was someone I would like to become. 1896 01:29:00,132 --> 01:29:02,759 But now he aspired to be a dictator. 1897 01:29:03,677 --> 01:29:07,347 My family fled a country where there was a dictator 1898 01:29:07,347 --> 01:29:08,807 that consolidated power. 1899 01:29:09,683 --> 01:29:13,353 I didn't feel optimistic about our country's future. 1900 01:29:14,188 --> 01:29:15,522 At that moment, I realized 1901 01:29:15,522 --> 01:29:19,318 how much weight there was behind, uh, Jerry Falwell Jr.'s words. 1902 01:29:19,318 --> 01:29:23,989 And if this man was able to anoint Donald Trump in 2016, 1903 01:29:23,989 --> 01:29:27,993 then why wouldn't he have that same power in 2020? 1904 01:29:28,994 --> 01:29:34,875 MARK: Giancarlo certainly feels like Jerry is responsible for all this chaos. 1905 01:29:34,875 --> 01:29:36,502 You know, and why wouldn't he? 1906 01:29:37,252 --> 01:29:38,754 The kingmaker, right? 1907 01:29:39,421 --> 01:29:40,631 Now, look what happened. 1908 01:29:43,759 --> 01:29:46,094 GIANCARLO: When I hit rock bottom, I had two choices: 1909 01:29:46,094 --> 01:29:48,847 take my own life or take back control. 1910 01:29:48,847 --> 01:29:54,019 And, um, you know, one big takeaway from, uh, from Trump's speech in 2012, 1911 01:29:54,603 --> 01:29:58,273 in his advice to win in real estate or business, 1912 01:29:58,273 --> 01:29:59,733 or whatever you're doing is-- 1913 01:29:59,733 --> 01:30:02,736 - Don't let people take advantage. 1914 01:30:03,237 --> 01:30:04,238 Get even. - Get even. 1915 01:30:04,696 --> 01:30:07,950 It feels like right now, this is happening for a reason. 1916 01:30:08,367 --> 01:30:10,369 Me confessing to the world what happened... 1917 01:30:12,913 --> 01:30:15,249 would somehow stop one of Trump's closest allies, 1918 01:30:15,249 --> 01:30:16,708 which is Jerry Falwell Jr. 1919 01:30:16,708 --> 01:30:18,252 I felt like I had a responsibility. 1920 01:30:18,919 --> 01:30:20,337 I texted Jerry. 1921 01:30:41,650 --> 01:30:45,737 - I think he just wanted to just unburden himself of all of this 1922 01:30:45,737 --> 01:30:47,990 and just say, "This is what actually happened." 1923 01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:50,242 He had no other choice left at that point 1924 01:30:50,242 --> 01:30:53,620 but to just come out and speak his truth. 1925 01:30:53,620 --> 01:30:55,622 ♪ 1926 01:30:56,206 --> 01:30:59,334 - I'd been trying to talk to Giancarlo Granda 1927 01:30:59,334 --> 01:31:01,587 since I first started working on this. 1928 01:31:01,587 --> 01:31:03,589 And I-- I didn't have any luck. 1929 01:31:05,048 --> 01:31:06,049 GIANCARLO: I texted him. 1930 01:31:06,049 --> 01:31:08,385 I said, "Hey, I would love to meet with you 1931 01:31:08,385 --> 01:31:10,137 and just talk about everything that happened." 1932 01:31:11,263 --> 01:31:14,808 - I finally met Giancarlo near DC. 1933 01:31:15,601 --> 01:31:17,769 GIANCARLO: Obviously, he was shocked, 1934 01:31:17,769 --> 01:31:21,440 but, like, it kinda confirmed everything that he, uh, speculated. 1935 01:31:21,940 --> 01:31:24,401 - There was an element of hypocrisy here 1936 01:31:24,401 --> 01:31:26,195 that was very glaring. 1937 01:31:27,529 --> 01:31:31,408 To stand up our story, we needed some corroborating evidence. 1938 01:31:31,408 --> 01:31:36,914 - I had certain evidence dating back to 2012, 2013, 2014. 1939 01:31:38,123 --> 01:31:39,708 ARAM: There were these texts. 1940 01:31:40,626 --> 01:31:43,462 Sort of romantic, loaded phrases. 1941 01:31:44,379 --> 01:31:46,840 And another one was this audio recording. 1942 01:31:47,257 --> 01:31:50,594 - All right. - Gian's been very busy lately, studying. 1943 01:31:50,594 --> 01:31:51,929 - Yeah, yeah, sorta. - It's good, good. 1944 01:31:51,929 --> 01:31:55,140 - His new thing is, like, telling me every time he hooks up with people, 1945 01:31:55,140 --> 01:31:57,392 like, I-- like I don't have feelings or something. 1946 01:31:57,392 --> 01:31:59,269 - You're gonna make her jealous, Gian. - Yeah. 1947 01:31:59,269 --> 01:32:00,938 - Aw. I'm not trying to do that. 1948 01:32:00,938 --> 01:32:04,650 - Like a week ago, I was in tears for a whole freakin' day. 1949 01:32:04,650 --> 01:32:05,817 Completely depressed. 1950 01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:08,779 - Come on. You don't-- You don't care about me anymore. 1951 01:32:08,779 --> 01:32:10,989 - Maybe the more you tell me, the more I'll get used to it. 1952 01:32:10,989 --> 01:32:12,366 - You don't care about me anymore. 1953 01:32:12,908 --> 01:32:14,451 - Oh, yeah? Really? 1954 01:32:15,452 --> 01:32:16,703 Yeah, obviously. 1955 01:32:17,621 --> 01:32:18,455 - In an ideal world, 1956 01:32:18,455 --> 01:32:20,290 you'd have videotape of everything that ever happens, 1957 01:32:20,290 --> 01:32:22,751 but this is not the way the world works. 1958 01:32:22,751 --> 01:32:25,003 [phone ringing] 1959 01:32:25,003 --> 01:32:26,672 GIANCARLO: When I showed them the video, 1960 01:32:26,672 --> 01:32:28,423 I mean, it was case closed right there. 1961 01:32:29,132 --> 01:32:31,969 On January 16th, 2019, 1962 01:32:32,469 --> 01:32:35,305 Becki and I, uh, we hop on a FaceTime call, 1963 01:32:35,722 --> 01:32:37,933 and she's drinking white wine, 1964 01:32:38,559 --> 01:32:41,728 and then she starts stripping, uh, completely naked. 1965 01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:44,523 She's walking around the house. 1966 01:32:44,523 --> 01:32:47,985 She's going from room to room, the places where we've had sex. 1967 01:32:47,985 --> 01:32:49,278 She's says, "Oh, do you remember this?" 1968 01:32:49,278 --> 01:32:51,446 She's going to the kitchen, she's showing the island. 1969 01:32:52,030 --> 01:32:53,740 "Oh, I know you remember doing it there." 1970 01:32:53,740 --> 01:32:56,201 And then she went into the kids' rooms, "Remember doing it there?" 1971 01:32:56,201 --> 01:33:00,330 Which is crazy, as, you know, we-- we had sex in, uh, their kids' rooms. 1972 01:33:01,206 --> 01:33:03,792 "So, do you remember this spot? Do you remember this spot?" 1973 01:33:04,710 --> 01:33:05,836 ARAM: And at one point, 1974 01:33:05,836 --> 01:33:08,672 Jerry Jr. appears to peek out from behind a doorway. 1975 01:33:11,592 --> 01:33:13,719 GIANCARLO: And at that moment, I'm like, "Oh, my God, 1976 01:33:13,719 --> 01:33:16,847 "I finally have the smoking gun that I needed, 1977 01:33:16,847 --> 01:33:18,515 uh, to prove my side of the story." 1978 01:33:20,893 --> 01:33:22,102 - Well, that helped. 1979 01:33:23,687 --> 01:33:26,315 I mean, that-- that was the-- the, you know? 1980 01:33:26,315 --> 01:33:28,525 That was, uh, very helpful, 1981 01:33:28,525 --> 01:33:32,571 the, uh, FaceTime video with Becki naked. 1982 01:33:34,323 --> 01:33:38,285 GIANCARLO: Like, this is 100% true, and Jerry has been involved since day one. 1983 01:33:40,329 --> 01:33:42,623 - Well, we wouldn't have been able to run the story 1984 01:33:42,623 --> 01:33:44,291 if we hadn't been convinced, 1985 01:33:44,291 --> 01:33:47,252 if there wasn't the corroboration that there was. 1986 01:33:49,171 --> 01:33:53,008 - A photo posted then deleted from Jerry Falwell Jr.'s Instagram 1987 01:33:53,008 --> 01:33:54,259 is now going viral. 1988 01:33:54,259 --> 01:33:57,387 A Houston Chronicle reporter posted this screenshot 1989 01:33:57,387 --> 01:34:01,058 showing Liberty University's president with his pants unzipped-- 1990 01:34:01,058 --> 01:34:04,102 MEGAN: And it was an atomic scandal at Liberty. 1991 01:34:04,102 --> 01:34:07,689 All these things that were not permissible inside the Liberty community, 1992 01:34:07,689 --> 01:34:09,316 are contained in this photograph. 1993 01:34:09,316 --> 01:34:14,321 - This scandal was just another thing that was going to back me up. 1994 01:34:14,321 --> 01:34:15,864 INTERVIEWER: And I'm just gonna throw it to you. 1995 01:34:15,864 --> 01:34:17,741 What was up with that picture on Instagram? 1996 01:34:17,741 --> 01:34:19,660 JERRY JR.: [slurring] You know, it was weird [indistinct]. 1997 01:34:19,660 --> 01:34:21,036 She was-- She's pregnant, 1998 01:34:21,036 --> 01:34:23,914 so she couldn't get her-- she couldn't get her pants zipped. 1999 01:34:24,498 --> 01:34:27,167 And, uh, I was, like, trying to, like-- 2000 01:34:28,293 --> 01:34:31,463 My-- I had a pair of jeans that I haven't worn in a long time, 2001 01:34:31,463 --> 01:34:33,173 so I couldn't get mine zipped either. 2002 01:34:33,173 --> 01:34:35,592 - It was evident that he was drunk on that call. 2003 01:34:35,592 --> 01:34:37,052 I mean, he was slurring his words. 2004 01:34:37,052 --> 01:34:39,763 JERRY JR.: [slurring] I promised my kids I'm gonna try to be-- 2005 01:34:39,763 --> 01:34:42,224 I'm gonna try to be a good boy from here on out. 2006 01:34:42,224 --> 01:34:43,851 - It just showed you who he really was. 2007 01:34:43,851 --> 01:34:45,686 He was just-- He was a mess. 2008 01:34:45,686 --> 01:34:49,064 - This announcement was made just before 05:00 this afternoon. 2009 01:34:49,064 --> 01:34:51,400 It followed a meeting of the Executive Committee 2010 01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:53,527 of Liberty's Board of Trustees. 2011 01:34:53,527 --> 01:34:57,531 The committee requested Falwell take an indefinite leave of absence. 2012 01:34:57,531 --> 01:34:58,740 Falwell agreed. 2013 01:34:59,449 --> 01:35:03,287 - Liberty's board was going to pay for Falwell's rehab, 2014 01:35:03,287 --> 01:35:06,790 and they fully anticipated to bring him back, uh, afterwards. 2015 01:35:07,457 --> 01:35:09,960 MEGAN: Either they didn't think that they would get caught 2016 01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:11,420 or that it would come back to them, 2017 01:35:11,420 --> 01:35:14,298 or on some level, Jerry Falwell just didn't care. 2018 01:35:14,298 --> 01:35:16,216 Because there was some part of him that thought, 2019 01:35:16,216 --> 01:35:20,846 "If I can't live my life in this very fun way, 2020 01:35:20,846 --> 01:35:22,431 then I don't even want this life." 2021 01:35:24,433 --> 01:35:27,686 LILIA: My brother was talking to the reporter for months. 2022 01:35:28,395 --> 01:35:30,647 I, at one point, had to speak to him 2023 01:35:30,647 --> 01:35:33,775 because they really just went through every detail, 2024 01:35:33,775 --> 01:35:35,360 they fact-checked everything. 2025 01:35:35,944 --> 01:35:38,989 - I'm an investigative reporter, so I take a long time with stories. 2026 01:35:39,531 --> 01:35:43,702 You know, we never publish until we get it, you know, damn solid. 2027 01:35:44,536 --> 01:35:45,662 GIANCARLO: It was a tough process, 2028 01:35:45,662 --> 01:35:46,997 and there were certain times where I'm like, 2029 01:35:46,997 --> 01:35:48,415 "I don't think this is gonna happen. 2030 01:35:48,415 --> 01:35:49,708 I think it's gonna get killed." 2031 01:35:49,708 --> 01:35:51,835 - At this point, he knows 2032 01:35:51,835 --> 01:35:57,466 that perhaps Falwell and his team are planning something nefarious. 2033 01:35:57,466 --> 01:35:58,467 To his credit, 2034 01:35:59,259 --> 01:36:00,761 Giancarlo was right. 2035 01:36:00,761 --> 01:36:02,888 ♪ 2036 01:36:02,888 --> 01:36:06,892 ARAM: The night before we were going to run our story, 2037 01:36:06,892 --> 01:36:12,481 a local newspaper here in Washington published this statement by Jerry Jr. 2038 01:36:12,481 --> 01:36:14,775 that laid out this alternate account 2039 01:36:14,775 --> 01:36:19,071 of the entire relationship between Giancarlo and the Falwells. 2040 01:36:19,071 --> 01:36:20,364 REPORTER: Jerry Falwell Jr., 2041 01:36:20,364 --> 01:36:24,451 the son of one of the most influential TV evangelists of all time, 2042 01:36:24,451 --> 01:36:27,913 is publicly sharing a story of his wife's infidelity, 2043 01:36:27,913 --> 01:36:31,291 which led to, what he describes as, an extortion scheme. 2044 01:36:31,291 --> 01:36:33,710 GIANCARLO: Although I was expecting it, when you actually see it written, 2045 01:36:33,710 --> 01:36:37,047 "Oh, extortionist. He's a criminal," this and that, it-- it hurts. 2046 01:36:37,047 --> 01:36:39,883 It's like, uh-- It's like just getting punched in the gut. 2047 01:36:40,384 --> 01:36:42,803 - It's extremely fucked up how, 2048 01:36:42,803 --> 01:36:45,097 for my brother to be able to tell his story 2049 01:36:45,097 --> 01:36:46,306 and to come public with it, 2050 01:36:46,306 --> 01:36:48,559 it had to go through months of vetting, 2051 01:36:48,559 --> 01:36:51,854 and then on the flip side, you have the Falwells 2052 01:36:51,854 --> 01:36:57,192 who just email someone that they know at the Washington Examiner , 2053 01:36:57,192 --> 01:37:02,322 and they just basically copy and paste whatever Jerry said, 2054 01:37:02,322 --> 01:37:04,575 and then it gets published that same day. 2055 01:37:04,575 --> 01:37:07,953 - They published this, uh, this bullshit article 2056 01:37:07,953 --> 01:37:10,831 to attempt to discredit my move of coming forward. 2057 01:37:11,456 --> 01:37:12,457 REPORTER: Falwell writes, 2058 01:37:12,457 --> 01:37:16,336 "Becki had an inappropriate personal relationship with this person, 2059 01:37:16,336 --> 01:37:18,714 something in which I was not involved." 2060 01:37:18,714 --> 01:37:23,969 It deteriorated into, what he describes as, a fatal attraction type of situation. 2061 01:37:23,969 --> 01:37:26,471 The man is Giancarlo Granda, who worked poolside-- 2062 01:37:26,471 --> 01:37:28,015 MARK: The main takeaway was, 2063 01:37:28,015 --> 01:37:31,018 that motherfucker just threw his wife under the bus. 2064 01:37:32,019 --> 01:37:34,062 - And they were doing everything possible, 2065 01:37:34,062 --> 01:37:35,814 everything in their power to kill that story. 2066 01:37:35,814 --> 01:37:37,649 And they almost did. 2067 01:37:37,649 --> 01:37:39,484 But I was waiting. I was waiting. 2068 01:37:39,985 --> 01:37:42,821 And the next day, you know, the Reuters article comes out. 2069 01:37:43,322 --> 01:37:47,242 ♪ Ooh, Lordy, trouble so hard ♪ 2070 01:37:47,993 --> 01:37:51,538 ♪ Ooh, Lordy, trouble so hard ♪ 2071 01:37:52,372 --> 01:37:56,793 ♪ Don't nobody know my troubles but God... ♪ 2072 01:37:57,503 --> 01:37:58,670 GIANCARLO: And then Becki texted me. 2073 01:38:01,632 --> 01:38:03,050 "Jerry just resigned." 2074 01:38:03,050 --> 01:38:05,219 REPORTER 1: This morning, Jerry Falwell Jr.'s time 2075 01:38:05,219 --> 01:38:08,305 as president of Liberty University may be coming to an end. 2076 01:38:08,805 --> 01:38:10,933 Falwell telling The Wall Street Journal overnight 2077 01:38:10,933 --> 01:38:13,018 he submitted his resignation letter. 2078 01:38:13,018 --> 01:38:15,646 "Because I don't want something my wife did 2079 01:38:15,646 --> 01:38:18,315 to harm the school I've spent my whole life building." 2080 01:38:18,315 --> 01:38:22,069 REPORTER 2: Today's news comes amid allegations that Jerry Falwell Jr., 2081 01:38:22,069 --> 01:38:25,781 while president of one of the nation's largest Christian universities, 2082 01:38:25,781 --> 01:38:29,576 used to watch his wife Becki have sex with another man. 2083 01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:33,914 - Quickly, the empire starts crumbling, as it should. 2084 01:38:34,248 --> 01:38:38,502 JOHN CARLIN: Liberty University is suing its former president, Jerry Falwell Jr., 2085 01:38:38,502 --> 01:38:41,129 for upwards of 40 million dollars. 2086 01:38:41,129 --> 01:38:44,299 REPORTER 3: It alleges he was dishonest with the Executive Committee 2087 01:38:44,299 --> 01:38:46,510 when negotiating a generous severance package. 2088 01:38:46,510 --> 01:38:48,720 Now, the school claims during that time, 2089 01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:53,267 Falwell Jr. knew a brewing sex scandal would likely force him out at some point. 2090 01:38:53,267 --> 01:38:56,436 - Giancarlo took on all these people by himself. 2091 01:38:56,436 --> 01:38:58,355 That's a fucking lonely place. 2092 01:38:58,355 --> 01:39:00,315 Giancarlo put a stake in his heart. 2093 01:39:00,315 --> 01:39:01,483 He just buried it. 2094 01:39:02,150 --> 01:39:04,862 - Jerry was, you know, in the room, laying-- 2095 01:39:04,862 --> 01:39:07,447 You know, there's two beds, he was laying on one bed. 2096 01:39:08,031 --> 01:39:10,742 So Jerry texted me after the article was published, 2097 01:39:11,660 --> 01:39:13,912 and, uh, he wasn't too happy about it. He texted me... 2098 01:39:16,248 --> 01:39:19,209 I mean, he's obviously... He's kind of fucked at this point. 2099 01:39:19,209 --> 01:39:21,378 - Jerry Falwell, as you know, has accused you of lying, 2100 01:39:21,378 --> 01:39:23,505 saying that while you did have an affair with his wife, 2101 01:39:23,505 --> 01:39:25,132 he was not involved in any way. 2102 01:39:25,132 --> 01:39:26,133 - Jerry's lying. 2103 01:39:26,133 --> 01:39:28,093 Um, that was his game plan from the beginning, 2104 01:39:28,093 --> 01:39:30,762 to just throw her under the bus, um, which I-- 2105 01:39:30,762 --> 01:39:34,766 - The Falwells are predators, and they prey upon people. 2106 01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:38,103 It's psychologically so abusive. 2107 01:39:38,103 --> 01:39:41,481 REPORTER: Granda also calling Jerry Falwell Jr. a predator, 2108 01:39:41,481 --> 01:39:43,233 alleging Falwell sent him an image 2109 01:39:43,233 --> 01:39:47,613 of a Liberty University student exposing herself at their farm. 2110 01:39:47,613 --> 01:39:49,448 GIANCARLO: In the middle of the media blitz, 2111 01:39:49,448 --> 01:39:50,949 Politico drops a bombshell. 2112 01:39:51,366 --> 01:39:54,995 And in this article, one of Trey's bandmates, 2113 01:39:54,995 --> 01:39:57,331 he claimed that, uh, Becki jumped into bed 2114 01:39:57,331 --> 01:39:58,790 while he was sleeping 2115 01:39:58,790 --> 01:40:01,627 and she started performing oral sex. 2116 01:40:02,586 --> 01:40:04,004 But he didn't really want it. 2117 01:40:04,588 --> 01:40:07,341 REPORTER 1: The Falwells deny the allegation. 2118 01:40:07,341 --> 01:40:09,635 - When he mentioned that, uh, she was pursuing him, 2119 01:40:09,635 --> 01:40:14,181 sending him, uh, like, love songs and, uh, inspirational quotes, 2120 01:40:14,181 --> 01:40:16,433 it just reminded me of my younger self. 2121 01:40:16,433 --> 01:40:19,102 I'm like, "Yeah, that's exactly what she was doing with me." 2122 01:40:19,102 --> 01:40:23,565 - Anytime you have sex, and then lies, and then mix religion, 2123 01:40:25,108 --> 01:40:27,402 I mean, that's some nasty, nasty shit. 2124 01:40:28,862 --> 01:40:33,534 DUSTIN: What Granda did was to make it possible for other students 2125 01:40:33,534 --> 01:40:37,788 or other victims of the Falwells and of the culture 2126 01:40:37,788 --> 01:40:39,748 to come forward with their stories. 2127 01:40:39,748 --> 01:40:45,087 REPORTER 1: A new lawsuit says Liberty University "Enabled on-campus rapes." 2128 01:40:45,087 --> 01:40:49,550 - According to over 50 former female students and staffers-- 2129 01:40:49,550 --> 01:40:53,220 - I was drugged and forcibly raped 2130 01:40:54,638 --> 01:40:55,931 by multiple people. 2131 01:40:56,932 --> 01:40:59,476 REPORTER 2: Heather filed this police report 2132 01:40:59,476 --> 01:41:01,728 naming her alleged attackers. 2133 01:41:01,728 --> 01:41:05,315 - My assailants were prayed for and let go back into society. 2134 01:41:05,816 --> 01:41:10,737 REPORTER 3: They also allege that LU weaponized its honor code, The Liberty Way. 2135 01:41:10,737 --> 01:41:11,864 REPORTER 4: Jane Doe 6 claims 2136 01:41:11,864 --> 01:41:14,533 her boyfriend slipped drugs into her drink, 2137 01:41:14,533 --> 01:41:17,828 but LU fined her $500 for breaking the Liberty Way 2138 01:41:17,828 --> 01:41:18,996 for drinking alcohol. 2139 01:41:18,996 --> 01:41:23,542 - I think 100% the Liberty Way has been weaponized against women on campus. 2140 01:41:25,544 --> 01:41:28,338 ♪ 2141 01:41:28,338 --> 01:41:29,840 LILIA: I'm very proud of my brother. 2142 01:41:30,340 --> 01:41:32,050 To see these other stories come out, 2143 01:41:32,050 --> 01:41:33,969 I was like, "You did this." 2144 01:41:33,969 --> 01:41:38,348 Like, "You came out, you told your truth, you went through so much shit, 2145 01:41:39,057 --> 01:41:41,393 but now there's, like, a light at the end of the tunnel." 2146 01:41:41,393 --> 01:41:43,770 Like, "People believe you because you're telling the truth. 2147 01:41:43,770 --> 01:41:47,983 "You put a spotlight on the grossness that was going on in the school, 2148 01:41:47,983 --> 01:41:49,443 the abuse of power." 2149 01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:52,196 This is who these people really are. 2150 01:41:52,196 --> 01:41:56,950 They're not the good Christians that they try to portray themselves to be. 2151 01:41:58,035 --> 01:42:00,704 - I am a survivor of-- of abuse, 2152 01:42:00,704 --> 01:42:02,289 and I believe Giancarlo is. 2153 01:42:02,789 --> 01:42:05,876 Because now we-- we think of abuse in a lot of different ways. 2154 01:42:07,711 --> 01:42:11,882 - Coming forward and exposing your-- your-- your, uh, private life, 2155 01:42:11,882 --> 01:42:15,302 and everybody knowing your-- your-- your business, it's not fun. 2156 01:42:15,719 --> 01:42:17,387 But I knew that I did the right thing. 2157 01:42:19,765 --> 01:42:22,226 MEGAN: Jerry, he has literally been kind of exiled 2158 01:42:22,226 --> 01:42:25,729 from the place that he built and his family's sort of legacy. 2159 01:42:26,063 --> 01:42:29,942 You have to remember, his parents are buried on that campus. 2160 01:42:29,942 --> 01:42:32,861 By banning him, they have effectively prevented him 2161 01:42:32,861 --> 01:42:34,321 from visiting his parents' graves. 2162 01:42:35,155 --> 01:42:37,824 REPORTER: Falwell tells CBS News he believes he was targeted 2163 01:42:37,824 --> 01:42:41,578 because of the number of evangelicals that he was able to bring over 2164 01:42:41,578 --> 01:42:43,956 for Donald Trump in 2016. 2165 01:42:43,956 --> 01:42:45,457 He told us today by phone, 2166 01:42:45,457 --> 01:42:49,795 "Bottom line, it's an election year and I expected this." 2167 01:42:50,546 --> 01:42:53,257 ARAM: Falwell Jr. didn't make any more political appearances, 2168 01:42:53,757 --> 01:42:55,384 and no more endorsements of Donald Trump. 2169 01:42:57,302 --> 01:42:59,555 ♪ 2170 01:42:59,555 --> 01:43:02,140 - The Fox News decision desk can now project 2171 01:43:02,140 --> 01:43:07,229 that former Vice Present Joe Biden will win Pennsylvania and Nevada, 2172 01:43:07,229 --> 01:43:11,066 putting him over the 270 electoral votes he needs 2173 01:43:11,066 --> 01:43:14,903 to become the 46th president of the United States. 2174 01:43:14,903 --> 01:43:18,699 - The Associated Press said that Joe Biden is president. 2175 01:43:18,699 --> 01:43:22,411 [laughing derisively] [audience laughing] 2176 01:43:24,204 --> 01:43:25,289 DUSTIN: After the election, 2177 01:43:25,289 --> 01:43:29,209 Conservative Christians, Trump Republicans, were telling lies 2178 01:43:29,209 --> 01:43:32,337 about what had happened in the election and-- and trying to spread doubt. 2179 01:43:32,337 --> 01:43:36,049 - At this point, we do not know who has prevailed in the election. 2180 01:43:36,049 --> 01:43:39,303 REPORTER: Tonight, President Trump refusing to admit defeat. 2181 01:43:39,303 --> 01:43:40,721 [crowd chanting "Go, Trump, go!"] 2182 01:43:40,721 --> 01:43:42,598 MAN: God has voted. 2183 01:43:42,598 --> 01:43:46,643 Donald J. Trump will stand again in this land, whether you like it or not. 2184 01:43:46,643 --> 01:43:49,813 - All hell is going to break loose tomorrow. 2185 01:43:49,813 --> 01:43:52,107 - You are not gonna steal this election. 2186 01:43:52,107 --> 01:43:55,194 DUSTIN: There were Falkirk Center contributors 2187 01:43:55,194 --> 01:43:58,071 who were at the January 6th insurrection. 2188 01:43:59,072 --> 01:44:01,825 TOM: Charlie Kirk paid for 80 buses of people 2189 01:44:01,825 --> 01:44:05,579 to go to the insurrection rally on the-- the 6th of January. 2190 01:44:06,246 --> 01:44:09,666 That money could have come from Jerry Falwell and Liberty University. 2191 01:44:16,089 --> 01:44:18,342 RANDALL: These are people parading around 2192 01:44:18,342 --> 01:44:20,511 with Christian symbolism, 2193 01:44:20,511 --> 01:44:24,973 and invoking God, and Jesus, and the Bible 2194 01:44:24,973 --> 01:44:28,018 in the service of sedition. 2195 01:44:28,018 --> 01:44:29,394 - We fight like hell. 2196 01:44:29,394 --> 01:44:32,689 And if you don't fight like hell, you're not gonna have a country anymore. 2197 01:44:33,357 --> 01:44:35,108 DUSTIN: There was nothing Christian, obviously, 2198 01:44:35,108 --> 01:44:37,319 about what happened on January 6th. 2199 01:44:37,861 --> 01:44:42,074 There's nothing Christlike about Trumpism or Christian nationalism. 2200 01:44:42,074 --> 01:44:45,702 JACOB CHANSLEY: Thank you, Heavenly Father, for blessing us with this opportunity. 2201 01:44:45,702 --> 01:44:46,870 We love you and we thank you. 2202 01:44:46,870 --> 01:44:48,372 In Christ's holy name, we pray. 2203 01:44:48,372 --> 01:44:49,998 ALL: Amen! 2204 01:44:49,998 --> 01:44:52,501 ANTHEA: Christian extremism is just as dangerous, 2205 01:44:52,501 --> 01:44:55,087 or even more dangerous than Islamic extremism 2206 01:44:55,087 --> 01:44:56,672 for one very big reason: 2207 01:44:56,672 --> 01:44:58,674 Christian extremists live next door to us. 2208 01:44:58,674 --> 01:45:01,802 They sit in the pews next to you, and they work with you. 2209 01:45:03,220 --> 01:45:05,347 [screaming] 2210 01:45:05,347 --> 01:45:06,223 - Help! 2211 01:45:07,015 --> 01:45:09,560 ANTHEA: And the attack in the Capitol on 1/6 2212 01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:11,019 was Christian jihad. 2213 01:45:11,019 --> 01:45:15,148 - We are gonna have one nation under God, we have to have one religion under God. 2214 01:45:15,148 --> 01:45:16,900 ANTHEA: Evangelicalism today 2215 01:45:16,900 --> 01:45:20,571 inserts their belief system into the government of America, 2216 01:45:20,571 --> 01:45:25,576 hoping to change it into a theocracy ruled by white Christians specifically, 2217 01:45:25,576 --> 01:45:27,286 and men in particular. 2218 01:45:27,911 --> 01:45:31,790 GREG LOCKE: You cannot be a Christian and vote Democrat in this nation! 2219 01:45:31,790 --> 01:45:36,253 They are God-denying demons that butcher babies and hate this nation! 2220 01:45:36,253 --> 01:45:38,422 REPORTER 1: The Supreme Court has ruled 2221 01:45:38,422 --> 01:45:42,009 on the future of abortion rights in the United States. 2222 01:45:42,009 --> 01:45:44,845 REPORTER 2: The landmark decision from the United States Supreme Court 2223 01:45:44,845 --> 01:45:48,473 which has ended Constitutional protections for abortion 2224 01:45:48,473 --> 01:45:51,101 that had been in place for nearly 50 years 2225 01:45:51,101 --> 01:45:54,521 REPORTER 3: Evangelicals became fully radicalized in the goal. 2226 01:45:54,521 --> 01:45:58,400 That was the justification for the religious right's deal with Donald Trump. 2227 01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:01,361 He single-handedly shifted the Court far enough to the right, 2228 01:46:01,361 --> 01:46:04,239 it could finally undo abortion rights in this country. 2229 01:46:04,907 --> 01:46:06,617 MEGAN: In a very real way, 2230 01:46:06,617 --> 01:46:10,245 Jerry Falwell Jr. has now officially completed the work 2231 01:46:10,245 --> 01:46:11,580 that his father began. 2232 01:46:12,247 --> 01:46:16,960 The black sheep and the rejected member of the evangelical community 2233 01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:20,714 actually has delivered to them in a very tangible way, 2234 01:46:20,714 --> 01:46:22,591 the one thing that they most sought. 2235 01:46:23,717 --> 01:46:26,261 RANDALL: One of the great glories of this nation, 2236 01:46:26,261 --> 01:46:30,307 and I believe America's best idea, is the First Amendment 2237 01:46:30,307 --> 01:46:32,267 and the separation of church and state. 2238 01:46:32,267 --> 01:46:35,103 [protesters chanting "Separation of church and state!"] 2239 01:46:35,103 --> 01:46:38,357 This whole so-called Christian nationalism movement 2240 01:46:38,357 --> 01:46:43,654 that insists that America was and always has been a Christian nation, 2241 01:46:44,321 --> 01:46:46,949 the founders were very, very clear about that. 2242 01:46:46,949 --> 01:46:49,076 Their intention was precisely the opposite. 2243 01:46:49,743 --> 01:46:53,705 To protect the nation, protect the government, 2244 01:46:53,705 --> 01:46:57,543 protect the people from religious factionalism. 2245 01:46:58,210 --> 01:47:00,963 Go back on that fundamental principle, 2246 01:47:01,713 --> 01:47:03,006 to compromise that in some way, 2247 01:47:03,006 --> 01:47:06,051 I think is deeply, deeply perilous. 2248 01:47:18,939 --> 01:47:21,942 ♪ 189527

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