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[narrator] It's one ofthe greatest alien abductionstories of all time.
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In 1975, six menin northeast Arizona
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witnessed their crew matekidnapped by a UFO.
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I hollered out,
"They got him!"
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[narrator]
But was Travis Walton
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really taken by aliensor did his crewmates
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have something to dowith his disappearance?
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[John]
The sheriff kept telling me,
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"If you just tell us
where the body is?
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"If you just tell us
where the body is?
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We can all go home."
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[reporter 1] The six menwho reportedly eye witnessedthe incident
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have taken lie detector tests.
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[narrator] The story becamean international sensation,
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inspiring books,and a Hollywood movie,
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and it ripped aparta small town.
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This doesn't soundlike a true tale to me.
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[narrator] What happenedto Travis Walton
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that fateful night?
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What torturewas he subjected to?
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Forty five years later,shocking new evidence
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Forty five years later,shocking new evidence
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reveals the true storybehind...
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Fire in the Sky,
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the abductionof Travis Walton.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[man 1] A.P.R.O.
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The Aerial PhenomenaResearch Organization
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in Tucson, Arizona.
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They were seeing severalhundred reports of UFO
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sightings each yearfrom all over the world.
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But one of the most bizarrereports came recently
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from A.P.R.O.'s own backyard,
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the town ofSnowflake, Arizona.
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[chainsaw buzzing]
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[narrator] The storybegins on an ordinary day.
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[narrator] The storybegins on an ordinary day.
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A seven men loggingcrew packs up after hours
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of hard workin the Apache-SitgreavesNational Forest.
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[John] It was a typicalday of working hardout there.
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We worked up until
the sun started going down.
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And by the timewe got all loaded up
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and ready to go,
it was getting fairly dark.
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[narrator]
The tight-knit crew begins
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the rough 30-mile drive backhome to Snowflake, Arizona.
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Foreman Mike Rogersis behind the wheel
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when the men noticedsomething strange.
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We hadn't gone very far.
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I mean, maybe
a quarter of a mile.
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The guys started seeinga light through the trees.
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[Steve]
There was a bright light
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[Steve]
There was a bright light
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over to the right of us
and we couldn't really tell
what it was.
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[John] I first thought itwas the Moon.
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I turned, I looked over
the other way
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and there's the Moon,
you know?
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[narrator] Could itbe a hunter's campfire?
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An airplane crash?
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The answeris even more terrifying.
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Right when you
come around that bend
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it just hits you all at once.
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It was just like a saucer
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just sat in the air,
not moving.
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It was, uh, softly glowing.
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Like from the inside out.
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[narrator] Twenty-two-year-oldTravis Walton
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in the passenger seatstartles everyone.
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Before Mike even stopped,
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Travis had, had the door
open and was getting out.
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[Mike] Travis took offin a fairly brisk walk uptowards it.
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[Mike] Travis took offin a fairly brisk walk uptowards it.
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And he stood therefor just a few seconds
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and this thing
started making noise.
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[eerie sound]
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It was shocking,
very shocking.
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I heard this noise,
I go, "Oh, crap."
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I felt this rumble, you know,
in the steering wheel.
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That spooked me.
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[indistinct shouting]
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We were yelling,
"Come on, get back in here!"
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Travis, come back!
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[John] We were all terrified.
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[John] We were all terrified.
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And all of the sudden,
this bluish light came out.
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The woods lit up
like a bluish green.
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It zapped him in the chest.
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He flies back
about 15 feet at least.
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His body
bounces off the ground.
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Mike turns on the pickup
and takes off.
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[Mike] There was blind panic.
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White knuckles.
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We went down the road
about a quarter of a mile...
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...then I hit the brakes.
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[tires screeching]
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[indistinct chatter]
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The guys in the truckwere saying,
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"What are you stopping for?
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That thing could bechasing us," you know?
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And I said, "We leftTravis back there.
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So, we have to go back."
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That's when I became
hysterical, basically.
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Go back, right now.
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Go back, right now.
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You don't know what it was.
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We have
to go back and get him.
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While we were outside
of the truck we saw a flash.
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Now, I assumedit was that craft.
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Just in a straight, just...
Like that.
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[Steve] Everybody gottheir courage back
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till we saw it take off.
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[John] Couldn't leaveTravis out there.
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You just don't leave
a guy behind.
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[Mike] We went back...
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...very slow.
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Buddy!
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Travis!
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[John] We walked aroundthe perimeter
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looking in the bushes
and that, you know,
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to see if he had crawled off.
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-Travis.
-Travis!
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Travis!
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Travis!
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[John] But he wasnowhere to be found.
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That's when Mike,
he kinda fell down
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That's when Mike,
he kinda fell down
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to the ground
and kinda lost it.
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I broke down.
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I broke down because Traviswasn't there.
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He was my best friend.
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[narrator]
Guilt-ridden, terrified
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and in way over their heads,
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and in way over their heads,
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the crew members decide tocall law enforcement for help.
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[Mike] We all got backin the truck, and we left.
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And that was a very,
very emotional trip.
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All right, there's telephone.
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[Steve] There's this phoneat the sub station
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as we get coming off
the dirt road.
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We called
the sheriff's apartment.
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We called
the sheriff's apartment.
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[narrator] The firstofficer arriving on scene
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is Navajo County sheriff'sdeputy, Chuck Ellison.
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[Chuck Ellison] They wereobviously very upset.
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And I tried to get just
as close to each one of them
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as I could to see
if I could detect odors
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of marihuana, alcohol...
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I didn't detect any.
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[narrator]
Sensing something amiss,
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Ellison talks to eachmember of the crew.
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Ellison talks to eachmember of the crew.
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Starting with foremanMike Rogers.
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[John] Mike, he wasthe boss, you know?
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He called the shots
and how things go,
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where you're gonna go,
you know, and all that.
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[narrator] The missing man,Travis Walton,
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dated Mike's sister, Dana.
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Also in the crew is Mike'sbrother-in-law John Goulette.
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John's the kind of person
who gets along with everybody.
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[John] I've known Travisfor a long, long time.
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I met himwhen he was a teenager
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when I came up there
to stay with Katie and Mike.
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[narrator] Goulettebrought two other friendsonto the crew.
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Dwayne Smith and Allen Dalis.
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Allen Dalis was a...
Mike said, "the black sheep."
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here on the crew.
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[John] He was a character.He was...
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You know, he had his run ins
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with the law and that,
you know.
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[narrator] Rounding upthe crew are 26-year-old
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Kenny Petersonand 17-year-old'sSteve Pierce.
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I was the gofer, you know?
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'Cause I was the youngest.
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[narrator] When the frightenedcrew members tellDeputy Ellison
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that Travis was attackedby a UFO,
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Ellison calls in his superior,
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Sheriff Marlin Gillespie.
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[Shelley Moore]
Marlin Gillespiewas my father.
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He was the sheriff
of Navajo County
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He was the sheriff
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At the timethat the incident occurred
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they called my father out
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to involve him
and other deputies.
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[Steve] Sheriff Gillespieshowed up
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and we told him what happened,
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and he was looking aroundfor beer bottles and stuff,
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'cause he didn't really
believe our story.
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[Shelley] He thoughtthat these men saw something.
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That part he believed because
he said they were scared,
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but he wasn't sure
were they scared
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because of what they had done
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because of what they had done
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or were they really scared
because what they believed
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that Travis
had been taken by a UFO?
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[Steve] He looked at Mike,he says,
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"You gotta go back
and I want two volunteers
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to come back with me.
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The other three, I want you
to go back to Snowflake
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and don't leave town."
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[narrator] Mike Rogers,Allen Dalis
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and Kenny Petersonlead the sheriff
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and his deputies to the site.
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There's no trace of Travis.
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Or the alleged craft.
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I could not see
a skid mark of any kind, like,
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as if some kind of aircraft
that touched on the ground.
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I could not see a footprintof any kind.
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I couldn't detect any odors.
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I didn't see any burns,
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and I said, "Well,
we may as well leave
because he's not here."
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[narrator] Without industriallightning equipment
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[narrator] Without industriallightning equipment
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or a huge force of officers,
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the small-town sheriff'shands are tied.
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He'll have to waituntil morning to launcha search party
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to find out if TravisWalton is injured,
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dead or is it possible
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that he was abductedby aliens?
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[instrumental music playing]
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[narrator] Twenty-two-year-oldTravis Walton is missing.
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Travis' older brother, Don,recalls the night
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that changedhis family's life forever.
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[Don] Mother came overto my home about three o'clockin the morning.
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Mama's pretty hysterical
when she got there.
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She kept repeating,
"They got him. They got him."
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I didn't know what to think.
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[narrator] Across town,the other crewmen's families
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anxiously await the arrivalof their loved ones.
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[Angie] I was at Mike'shouse because
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Mike's then wife, Katie,
and I were putting on a quilt.
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We were gonna make this bigole quilt for a wedding,
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and Mike didn't come homewhen he normally does.
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Once it's dark you can't saw
trees out in the woods.
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We were starting to getkind of worried about him.
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We were starting to getkind of worried about him.
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Katie's younger brother
worked with Mike, too.
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John Goulette,
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so she was worried
about him as well.
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[narrator] But when Mikefinally does make it home,
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his family's worriesonly intensify.
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They started telling
us what was going on...
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[dramatic music playing]
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That's when we found outthat it was Travis
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That's when we found outthat it was Travis
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that was missing,
and my brother Mike
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looked like he had aged 20-30
years just in that day.
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Mike felt this big, hugeweight on his shoulders.
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He felt
responsible for Travis.
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[narrator] Mike and Angie'slittle sister, Dana,
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who dated Travis at the time,can't believe what she hears.
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Was her boyfriendattacked by an alien ship?
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They just
told me what happened.
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I think they said "UFO."
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And I was, you know, kind of
shocked about what happened.
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Like, it was hard to believe.
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But it was really scary,
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I was really worried
about Travis,
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but I could tell those guyswere telling the truth.
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They seemed very traumatized.
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It scares the hell out of you
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because your reality
just becomes so different.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[serene music playing]
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[narrator] As rays of earlymorning sunlight
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stretch acrossNavajo County, Arizona,
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the sleepy town of Snowflake
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awakens to an unearthly,unsolved mystery.
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When we got up
the next morning, you know,
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my mother had let us know that
my father was investigating
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my mother had let us know that
my father was investigating
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something that had happened
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out in the woods and thatsomebody had been abducted
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by a UFO.
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[narrator]
News of Travis Walton'sUFO abduction
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spreads like wildfire.
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I've always thoughtthere could be UFO,
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but, uh... That story'skinda farfetched.
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We've seen 'em.
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-You've seen 'em?-Yeah.
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This doesn't soundlike a true tale to me.
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[Tammy Mills] My father wasthe deputy sheriffin Navajo County.
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I remember my father
coming home
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and talking about it
and he was rolling his eyes,
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and talking about it
and he was rolling his eyes,
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like... Hmm.
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[Shelley] There wasa lot of skepticism.
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Most people were having
a hard time believing it.
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[John] It's a veryreligious community.
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The elders
of the church and that,
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they were telling people,
"Hey, you know,
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this ain't true.
You all don't believe it."
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[Mike] My wife didn't knowwhether to believe it
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or not, you know?
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She was skeptical, you know?
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[narrator] As the townof Snowflake debates
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the existence of aliensand UFOs,
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the rest of the world
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focusses their attentionon human space flight.
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[man 2 over radio] Moving out.Clear the tower.
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[man 3 over radio]
Roger. Tower clear.
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[narrator]
Just seven years earlier,
Apollo 11 first landed humans
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on the Moon, and justa few months earlier,
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in July of 1975,
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the decade's long space racebetween the United States
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the decade's long space racebetween the United States
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and the Soviet Union
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officially cameto a peaceful end.
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Proving that spaceexploration could overcome
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such earth-bound conflictsas politics and nationalism.
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Yet as mankind castsits hopeful eyes
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to the sky, other mysteriesfrom deepest space emerge.
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to the sky, other mysteriesfrom deepest space emerge.
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Reports of UFO sightingsand alien abductions
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were on the risein the mid-1970s.
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1975 in particular was a,
uh, an active year for UFOs.
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Across the country
there were sightings,
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and we call this a flap.
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It's a period
of activity researchers,
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uh, look for patterns as to
why this particular location,
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why this time?
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[narrator] The stateof Arizona routinely ranks
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among the top areasin the world
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for UFO-related events.
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[Ben Hansen] If you go backto the summer of '47
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there's newspaper
articles of a craft
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similar to what was
described in Roswell
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that happened only weeks
or months before.
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Then you have 1952,the Marana Air Force Base.
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A silvery disk
was reported hovering
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over the air force base
and when they scrambled jets
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to try and get to it,it disappeared.
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to try and get to it,it disappeared.
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[Bryce Zabel] The AmericanSouthwest is home
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to all kinds
of military installations.
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It's where we created
the first nuclear bombs.
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[explosion]
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It's where Roswell happened.
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Why does all thishappen with UFOs?
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Because it's so important to
the United States government
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and to our military projection
of power,
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and so it would make sense
that if another intelligence
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and so it would make sense
that if another intelligence
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was here to find out
what makes humans tick,
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they might start there.
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[narrator] Is there somethingin the Southwest territory
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that attractsextra-planetary explorers?
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Authorities in Snowflakedon't believe claims
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that Travis Waltonwas abducted by aliens.
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But with the loggerswhereabout unaccounted for,
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law enforcementslaunches a massive manhunt.
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law enforcementslaunches a massive manhunt.
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[Shelley] The sheriff'sdepartment went up
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on the rim
to the Turkey Springs area
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where this incident
supposedly occurred.
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They had the sheriff's posseout looking for him.
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[Angie] They had helicoptersand they had dogs.
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There's people just walking.
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They had all kinds of stuff
looking for him
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and they just looked
and looked and looked.
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[narrator] Travis' olderbrother Don,
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a forest service employee,joins the search party.
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a forest service employee,joins the search party.
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It was a madhouse out there.
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There's probably
150-200 people
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out searching for Travis.
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[narrator]
The longer they look,
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the more law enforcementand Travis' family
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become suspiciousof foul play.
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[Tammy] They were thinkingthe crew got
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in some kind of a skirmish
and maybe killed Travis.
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in some kind of a skirmish
and maybe killed Travis.
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[Angie] Travis' familywas all looking at Mike,
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like, "Okay, Mike,
where's our Travis?"
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[Don] I thought maybea bad accident
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had happened where
the chainsaw may hit his body.
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[John] I did the first day,I went out there with them.
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They kinda split us up and hadus go in different routes.
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And each group had
a deputy sheriff.
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He kept telling me, you know,"If you just tell us
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where the body is,
we can all go home."
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where the body is,
we can all go home."
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[narrator]
Although they reported Travis
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was captured by a UFO,
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the crew now realize they'resuspected of murder.
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[Chuck] As we started goingthrough these brush piles,
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I wanna know
if there's anything
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in those brush piles
that might resemble a body.
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Couldn't figure out
what would happen to him,
where he went, you know?
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We were all confused,
we couldn't figure out
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why we couldn't find a body.
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why we couldn't find a body.
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[narrator] Travis Waltonmay have disappeared
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without a trace,
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but there is evidence
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that something very strangehappened in those woods.
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[Don] Region headquartersin Albuquerque,
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they sent a man over
at the request
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of the sheriff's department
to bring a Geiger counter.
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Today I am the only
living person
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who saw the readings
on that Geiger counter.
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[narrator] Don claimshe witnessed the Geigercounter needles spike.
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Indicating a highlevel of radiation
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at the alleged UFO site.
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[Don] It was off scale.
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You could seethe difference in the...
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What the needle was showing.
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It would drop off after,at 100 yards.
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That scared me.
That kind of radiation.
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[Geiger counter crackling]
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[narrator] Could high levelsof localize radiation
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be evidence of an alien craft?
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[instrumental music playing]
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[reporter 2] Wood cutterssaid they were riding
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in this truck alongan isolated mountain road
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when suddenly a spaceshiphovered over them.
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This is what the spaceshiplooked like according
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to one of the menwho drew this picture.
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Another of the men,22-year-old Travis Walton
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reportedly got outof the truck
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and approached the spaceship.
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and approached the spaceship.
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[narrator] As law enforcementand volunteers scour
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the Sitgreaves National Forestfor a second day,
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the search for Travis Waltonand the sensational claim
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of his UFO abduction makesheadlines around the world.
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Media outlets descend uponWalton's hometown
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of Snowflake, Arizona.
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Our town had never really had
any reporters at all,
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and then all of the sudden
there's like people
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and then all of the sudden
there's like people
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from all over the world,
all different countries.
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[Angie] It was justthe strangest thing
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that the word got outthat fast.
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I think there was even some
reporters from Japan.
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[reporters clamoring]
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[narrator]
The media hounds everyoneinvolved in the case.
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IncludingSheriff Marlin Gillespie.
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I just remember the phones
were ringing off the hook.
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[phone ringing]
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No one had pagers,
no one had cellphones
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and my father
couldn't take the phone
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and my father
couldn't take the phone
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off the hook because
he depended on that.
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They needed to get
ahold of them for work.
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[narrator] But reportersaren't the onlycurious visitors
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to suddenly appearin Snowflake.
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Mysterious outof towners cramp up
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amongst the search parties.
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You always tell, back then,
a government car
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because it was just
a ugly color.
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And the rims alwaysmatched the color of the car.
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There'd be two guyssitting in there.
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There'd be two guyssitting in there.
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Suits and sunglassesjust watching you.
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[Ben] Most people know the Menin Black from pop culture
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but there have
been historically
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verified incidents
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where unidentified
government agents
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follow up on cases like this.
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[John] I take offto go somewhere
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and by the time I gotto where I was gonna go
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they were already sitting
there waiting.
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You know?
I don't know how they knew
where I was going.
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[Bryce] People have suspectedover the years
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that among that crowd
of people that included
journalists
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that among that crowd
of people that included
journalists
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and UFO observers
were people from
the United States government
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who wanted to knowmore about this case.
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And why would theywanna know more about it?
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Because they knew UFOs werereal whether they admitted it
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to the public or not,
but, uh, they thought
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that the Travis Walton case
was a pretty good case.
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[intense music playing]
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[narrator] Travis has nowbeen missing for three days.
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His loved ones facean agonizing lack of answers.
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[Dana] I think everybodygot more and more worried.
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Everybody was more
tense and scared
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the longer the time went by.
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[narrator] With everypassing hour the crew
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feels the crushingpressure of suspicion.
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feels the crushingpressure of suspicion.
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[Steve] I wasn't going out.
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I was hidingat a girlfriend's house
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and staying away
from everybody.
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I'd say four out of five
people thought, you know,
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it was either a hoax or,
or was a murder or something.
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[narrator]
Even without a body,
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the sheriff's departmentinvestigates the case
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as a homicide.
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It doesn't take longto zero in on a suspect.
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Crew member Allen Dalis.
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[Steve] The cops,they found out
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about a fight that Travis
and Allen Dalis was in.
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He'd fight anybody, and he
could get pretty ornery.
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He didn't
like Mike and Travis.
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[Don] I was pretty confidentin my head at that time
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that Allen
had something to do with this.
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I accused him
of killing Travis.
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[narrator] Authoritiesturn up the heat
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on the remaining crew members.
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on the remaining crew members.
503
00:26:44,266 --> 00:26:46,266
[Tammy] I remembermy dad saying
504
00:26:46,367 --> 00:26:50,266
that Marlin Gillespie was
questioning the boys down
505
00:26:50,266 --> 00:26:52,100
saying, "Just admit,
you killed him.
506
00:26:52,166 --> 00:26:53,600
Just admit it."
507
00:26:53,667 --> 00:26:55,300
[Steve]
Flake pulls up and he says,
508
00:26:55,367 --> 00:26:57,000
"We know you didn't dothe killing,
509
00:26:57,066 --> 00:27:00,066
but we know for sure
that Allen Dalis killed Travis
510
00:27:00,066 --> 00:27:02,567
or Jon Goulette killed him."
511
00:27:02,667 --> 00:27:06,400
[John] Once I figured outwhat they were doingand what they thought,
512
00:27:06,467 --> 00:27:08,800
you know, I pretty much stayed
away from the cops, you know.
513
00:27:10,567 --> 00:27:12,166
[narrator]
The sheriff's department
514
00:27:12,166 --> 00:27:12,664
asks Mike Rogersand the other crewmen
515
00:27:12,664 --> 00:27:14,100
asks Mike Rogersand the other crewmen
516
00:27:14,166 --> 00:27:16,900
to submitto a polygraph examination.
517
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,967
Rogers jumps at the chanceto clear their names.
518
00:27:22,967 --> 00:27:25,400
We told him, you know,"We'll take polygraph test.
519
00:27:25,467 --> 00:27:28,900
We'll... We'll takesodium pentothal, hypnosis,
520
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,166
anything you can give usbecause this thingreally happened
521
00:27:32,166 --> 00:27:35,400
and we don't like thisthing about you accusing usof murder."
522
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,367
[narrator]
The men are summoned
523
00:27:44,467 --> 00:27:46,800
to take polygraph testsat the Navajo County
524
00:27:46,867 --> 00:27:48,767
courthouse in nearby Holbrook.
525
00:27:49,367 --> 00:27:51,200
It was scary, really scary
526
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:54,900
to go into that courthouse.
527
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,367
The courthouse and the jail
was the same building.
528
00:27:58,867 --> 00:28:03,000
[Steve] I was more scaredthe day of the polygraph test
529
00:28:03,066 --> 00:28:05,767
than I was when I saw
Travis getting zapped.
530
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:10,166
[John] I didn't know whowas gonna give us this test.
531
00:28:10,266 --> 00:28:12,467
I was thinking, "You know,they could be setting us up.
532
00:28:12,467 --> 00:28:12,664
No matter what,
we're probably gonna fail this
533
00:28:12,664 --> 00:28:14,700
No matter what,
we're probably gonna fail this
534
00:28:14,767 --> 00:28:16,367
and we'll probably
gonna go to jail."
535
00:28:16,367 --> 00:28:19,100
When we went in there we
figured we weren't coming out.
536
00:28:22,667 --> 00:28:26,166
This polygraph test
went on all day long.
537
00:28:26,166 --> 00:28:27,767
Up until the evening.
538
00:28:29,867 --> 00:28:32,600
Because the test take
about two hours a piece.
539
00:28:33,867 --> 00:28:36,767
[narrator]
As part of the test,the polygrapher asks
540
00:28:36,867 --> 00:28:40,300
each crewmen the same seriesof questions three times.
541
00:28:41,567 --> 00:28:42,664
The firstthree questions regard
542
00:28:42,664 --> 00:28:43,500
The firstthree questions regard
543
00:28:43,567 --> 00:28:46,000
the alleged murderof Travis Walton.
544
00:28:46,066 --> 00:28:48,300
The subjectof the final question
545
00:28:48,367 --> 00:28:50,266
is the UFO.
546
00:28:50,367 --> 00:28:52,467
[Mike] Once the testgot underway
547
00:28:52,467 --> 00:28:55,100
he started changing hismind really quickly.
548
00:28:56,767 --> 00:28:59,000
By the time he hadtested all of us,
549
00:28:59,066 --> 00:29:01,066
he seemed to be a believer.
550
00:29:02,266 --> 00:29:03,867
[narrator]
Five of the six men passed
551
00:29:03,867 --> 00:29:05,967
the lie detectortest outright.
552
00:29:05,967 --> 00:29:12,066
Only Allen Dalis' testcomes back as inconclusive.
553
00:29:12,066 --> 00:29:12,664
Allen actually passed
the first two run throughs
of this test.
554
00:29:12,664 --> 00:29:16,367
Allen actually passed
the first two run throughs
of this test.
555
00:29:16,367 --> 00:29:19,266
It was inconclusivebecause he pulled himself lose
556
00:29:19,266 --> 00:29:21,800
from a scene
in the last run through.
557
00:29:23,767 --> 00:29:25,967
[narrator] The resultsof the polygraph
558
00:29:25,967 --> 00:29:29,166
stunned everyonein the town of Snowflake.
559
00:29:29,166 --> 00:29:32,667
Perhaps none more sothan the polygrapher himself.
560
00:29:33,767 --> 00:29:35,867
I talked to himafter the test,
561
00:29:35,967 --> 00:29:41,066
and he indicated to me that...That apparently he was wrong.
562
00:29:41,066 --> 00:29:42,664
Unofficially he saidthat he believed
563
00:29:42,664 --> 00:29:44,300
Unofficially he saidthat he believed
564
00:29:44,367 --> 00:29:47,100
that we had told the truth.
565
00:29:48,367 --> 00:29:50,700
[narrator] For fiveexcruciating days,
566
00:29:50,767 --> 00:29:53,867
Travis Waltonhas been missing.
567
00:29:53,967 --> 00:29:55,867
The skepticalsheriff's department
568
00:29:55,967 --> 00:29:58,266
is back to square one.
569
00:29:58,266 --> 00:30:01,100
If Travis Waltonhasn't been murdered
570
00:30:01,166 --> 00:30:04,367
and no one can find his bodyin the woods,
571
00:30:05,266 --> 00:30:07,467
where could he be?
572
00:30:08,767 --> 00:30:10,767
[suspenseful music playing]
573
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,266
Late that night, the phonerings at Travis' sister'shome.
574
00:30:19,266 --> 00:30:21,700
[telephone ringing]
575
00:30:21,767 --> 00:30:24,867
His brother-in-law,Grant, answers.
576
00:30:26,667 --> 00:30:28,467
[Grant]
I had come home from work.
577
00:30:29,066 --> 00:30:30,300
Phone rang
578
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,467
and it was a voice
on the other side saying,
579
00:30:33,967 --> 00:30:35,300
"This is Travis.
580
00:30:36,667 --> 00:30:37,800
Come and get me."
581
00:30:41,166 --> 00:30:42,567
[suspenseful music playing]
582
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:55,767
[narrator] Travis Walton hasbeen missing for five days.
583
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,100
When Travis' brother-in-law,Grant, answers a late-night
584
00:31:01,166 --> 00:31:04,100
phone call,he assumes it's a prank.
585
00:31:04,166 --> 00:31:05,700
[Grant] And I said,"Yeah, right."
586
00:31:05,767 --> 00:31:07,567
I get ready to hang up
he said,
587
00:31:07,567 --> 00:31:09,200
"No, no, no, no,
please don't hang up."
588
00:31:09,266 --> 00:31:10,638
And, so then
I started listening
589
00:31:10,638 --> 00:31:11,467
And, so then
I started listening
590
00:31:11,467 --> 00:31:13,867
and then
the conversation ended.
591
00:31:13,967 --> 00:31:17,567
I got my wife out of bed,
we went to her mother's place.
592
00:31:17,567 --> 00:31:20,667
His brother Duanewas there visiting.
593
00:31:20,667 --> 00:31:23,266
We got in the truck,drove to Heber
594
00:31:23,266 --> 00:31:24,967
where he described
where he was.
595
00:31:28,667 --> 00:31:30,667
I must've passed out
'cause it seemed like almost
596
00:31:30,767 --> 00:31:34,567
immediately they were, um...
Headlights of the truck
597
00:31:34,667 --> 00:31:36,667
were shining
into the phone booth
598
00:31:37,867 --> 00:31:40,266
and my brother cameover there and lifted me up.
599
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,567
And I was just hysterical.
600
00:31:45,266 --> 00:31:49,500
He sort of lifted meinto the truck
601
00:31:49,567 --> 00:31:53,066
and I was just breaking down,
just disintegrating.
602
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:58,367
[narrator] In this rarearchival interview
603
00:31:58,467 --> 00:32:02,000
Travis recalls the eventsleading up to the phone call.
604
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:33,000
[narrator] Wanderingthe road for what feels
605
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:35,667
like hours, Travis recognizes
606
00:32:35,767 --> 00:32:38,667
the lights of Heber,Arizona, in the distance.
607
00:32:41,967 --> 00:32:44,300
[Travis] I ran downinto the town
608
00:32:45,567 --> 00:32:46,967
and called my family.
609
00:32:47,667 --> 00:32:48,967
"Come and get me."
610
00:32:57,367 --> 00:32:59,467
[narrator] On the way backto Snowflake,
611
00:32:59,467 --> 00:33:02,700
Travis struggles to piecetogether his experience.
612
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,467
[Travis] One of the biggestshocks I had to deal with
613
00:33:07,567 --> 00:33:09,500
when I was returnedwas finding out
614
00:33:09,567 --> 00:33:10,638
that this brief period of time
615
00:33:10,638 --> 00:33:11,867
that this brief period of time
616
00:33:11,967 --> 00:33:14,700
had somehow takenover five days.
617
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:19,166
My brother, he asked meto feel my face
618
00:33:19,266 --> 00:33:21,967
and I had a, had a...You know, weeks growth.
619
00:33:21,967 --> 00:33:25,300
I was... It really tookmy mind just to reel at that
620
00:33:25,367 --> 00:33:28,000
because as far as I knewit was the same night.
621
00:33:29,867 --> 00:33:32,667
I was trying to describewhat I'd experienced,
622
00:33:32,667 --> 00:33:34,767
but I was just
making it worst.
623
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,367
And he finally said,"Don't try to talk right now."
624
00:33:39,367 --> 00:33:40,638
He talked about how scared
the family had been.
625
00:33:40,638 --> 00:33:42,867
He talked about how scared
the family had been.
626
00:33:45,066 --> 00:33:47,767
[narrator] For Travis' family,the past week
627
00:33:47,767 --> 00:33:50,500
has beenan emotional roller coaster.
628
00:33:50,567 --> 00:33:52,000
[Grant]
Everybody was relieved,
629
00:33:52,066 --> 00:33:54,867
but they were still kindof in a shock mode.
630
00:33:54,867 --> 00:33:58,767
It didn't affect me as much
as it did my wife,
631
00:33:58,767 --> 00:34:03,467
and she still doesn't
wanna be bothered with it.
632
00:34:03,567 --> 00:34:05,767
[Angie] When Travis came back
633
00:34:05,867 --> 00:34:08,367
we were all so relieved.
634
00:34:09,166 --> 00:34:10,638
At the same time
the story was so hard
635
00:34:10,638 --> 00:34:13,400
At the same time
the story was so hard
636
00:34:13,467 --> 00:34:17,600
to fit in to your realm
of reality, you know?
637
00:34:21,266 --> 00:34:26,800
[narrator] Even decades later,the trauma of those five days
638
00:34:26,867 --> 00:34:31,200
still weighs heavy on Travisand his now wife Dana.
639
00:34:33,266 --> 00:34:35,266
[Dana] I was really,really worried,
640
00:34:35,266 --> 00:34:38,166
and scared that you...What happened to you,
641
00:34:38,266 --> 00:34:40,638
I didn't know
if you'd ever be returned.
642
00:34:40,638 --> 00:34:40,667
I didn't know
if you'd ever be returned.
643
00:34:41,967 --> 00:34:44,200
Specially the more days
went by,
644
00:34:44,266 --> 00:34:46,266
gets more and more scary.
645
00:34:47,266 --> 00:34:48,367
Well...
646
00:34:48,367 --> 00:34:50,600
[Travis] Did you ever
think for a minute
647
00:34:50,667 --> 00:34:53,500
that maybe the guys
or Mike or something
648
00:34:53,567 --> 00:34:56,467
-were covering up
a killing, a murder?
-No.
649
00:34:56,567 --> 00:34:58,300
No, I never thought that.
650
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:01,500
Yep.
651
00:35:01,567 --> 00:35:05,266
I even went out to the window,
and I looked up on the sky
652
00:35:05,367 --> 00:35:08,400
and I said, "Will you please
bring Travis back?"
653
00:35:08,467 --> 00:35:09,900
[sobbing]
654
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,400
-I'm sorry.
-That must've hurt you.
655
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,867
[narrator] With Travisin such a fragile state,
656
00:35:36,867 --> 00:35:39,767
his brother Duaneis determined to protect him
657
00:35:39,767 --> 00:35:40,638
from any intensescrutiny by the media
658
00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:42,100
from any intensescrutiny by the media
659
00:35:42,166 --> 00:35:43,700
or law enforcement.
660
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:48,266
Desperate for assistance,he reaches out
661
00:35:48,266 --> 00:35:51,066
to the Aerial PhenomenaResearch Organization
662
00:35:51,066 --> 00:35:52,367
or A.P.R.O.
663
00:35:52,367 --> 00:35:55,400
A Tucson basedUFO investigative group.
664
00:35:57,767 --> 00:36:01,400
[Ben] Jim and Coral Lorenzenreally assembled A.P.R.O.
665
00:36:01,467 --> 00:36:03,867
with the key focusof having a credible
666
00:36:03,967 --> 00:36:07,500
and scientific,unbiased perspective.
667
00:36:07,567 --> 00:36:09,967
That's why they brought in
medical doctors,
668
00:36:09,967 --> 00:36:10,638
they brought in, uh,
scientists that were respected
669
00:36:10,638 --> 00:36:12,867
they brought in, uh,
scientists that were respected
670
00:36:12,867 --> 00:36:15,567
in their fields
and consulted with them
671
00:36:15,667 --> 00:36:16,800
whenever they did a case.
672
00:36:18,066 --> 00:36:20,467
[Travis] My brother Duane,he had contacted
673
00:36:20,567 --> 00:36:22,100
Jim Lorenzen, the head
674
00:36:22,166 --> 00:36:25,467
of the Aerial PhenomenaResearch Organization
675
00:36:25,467 --> 00:36:28,000
who had a couple
of medical doctors
676
00:36:28,066 --> 00:36:29,967
in their Phoenix membership
677
00:36:29,967 --> 00:36:32,367
who agreed to do
an examination.
678
00:36:34,467 --> 00:36:35,967
[narrator]
In the dead of night,
679
00:36:35,967 --> 00:36:39,467
Duane Walton secretly sneaksTravis out of Snowflake.
680
00:36:40,667 --> 00:36:44,100
A.P.R.O. arranged for Travis
to go to a hotel in Phoenix.
681
00:36:44,166 --> 00:36:46,967
He checked in
under an assumed name
682
00:36:46,967 --> 00:36:49,100
and then they sent overtwo A.P.R.O.
683
00:36:49,166 --> 00:36:50,767
affiliated medical doctors.
684
00:36:52,266 --> 00:36:53,767
[Don]
They didn't want any leaks
685
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,800
of what was happening
with Travis
686
00:36:56,867 --> 00:36:59,166
with his, uh,
medical condition,
687
00:36:59,266 --> 00:37:01,200
and, and all the testing.
688
00:37:03,266 --> 00:37:05,567
[narrator] Before medicaltests are performed,
689
00:37:05,567 --> 00:37:08,166
Travis tell the physicianswhat he remembered
690
00:37:08,266 --> 00:37:10,638
from the nightof November 5th, 1975,
691
00:37:10,638 --> 00:37:11,900
from the nightof November 5th, 1975,
692
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,100
starting with the momenthe exited the truck.
693
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:23,500
[Travis] It just was kindof a... A sort of an impulse.
694
00:37:23,567 --> 00:37:25,000
Seeing this object there...
695
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:28,867
For some reasonI just kind of assumed
696
00:37:28,967 --> 00:37:31,800
that it was gonna take off
before I got very far.
697
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:37,200
We could hear a real low
rumbling sort of a sound.
698
00:37:40,166 --> 00:37:40,638
Pounding, you know, like
a heartbeat sort of a thing.
699
00:37:40,638 --> 00:37:43,066
Pounding, you know, like
a heartbeat sort of a thing.
700
00:37:44,867 --> 00:37:47,900
And then some real
high frequency
sorts of sounds.
701
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,967
Very hard to describe
these sounds.
702
00:37:53,367 --> 00:37:56,266
The closer I got,
it suddenly got louder,
703
00:37:58,100 --> 00:37:59,767
and it started to move.
704
00:38:01,567 --> 00:38:05,367
I was startled and out of fear
I just jumped for cover.
705
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:10,638
Then I was figuring out,
"Boy, I've really got myself
706
00:38:10,638 --> 00:38:13,767
Then I was figuring out,
"Boy, I've really got myself
707
00:38:13,867 --> 00:38:15,100
in a bad situation here."
708
00:38:16,567 --> 00:38:19,767
I stood up with the idea
of running back to the truck,
709
00:38:19,767 --> 00:38:22,000
but as soon as I raised up,
710
00:38:22,066 --> 00:38:25,066
that's when I felt
this stunning force.
711
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:36,667
[narrator] The next thingTravis remembers
712
00:38:36,667 --> 00:38:40,638
is waking up on the sideof the road five days later.
713
00:38:40,638 --> 00:38:41,467
is waking up on the sideof the road five days later.
714
00:38:44,467 --> 00:38:47,266
To make sense ofthe missing time in between,
715
00:38:47,367 --> 00:38:49,867
Travis agreesto undergo a controversial
716
00:38:49,867 --> 00:38:52,700
technique calledregressive hypnosis.
717
00:38:52,767 --> 00:38:55,667
Regressive hypnosis
has been used, uh,
718
00:38:55,667 --> 00:38:58,166
popularly since
the Betty and Barney Hill
719
00:38:58,266 --> 00:38:59,967
abduction in 1961.
720
00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:02,100
Tapes of Betty and Barney
721
00:39:02,166 --> 00:39:04,800
while abducted are stillchilling even today.
722
00:39:10,867 --> 00:39:12,767
Oh. Oh!
723
00:39:19,467 --> 00:39:22,000
[narrator] An hypnosis sessionis scheduled with A.P.R.O.'s
724
00:39:22,066 --> 00:39:24,600
director of research,Dr. James Harder.
725
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,100
In the meantime,Travis' doctors perform
726
00:39:29,166 --> 00:39:30,367
a battery of tests.
727
00:39:35,066 --> 00:39:37,867
[Travis] Blood and urinesamples were taken
728
00:39:37,967 --> 00:39:40,638
that were put through
the county medical examiners
729
00:39:40,638 --> 00:39:41,367
that were put through
the county medical examiners
730
00:39:41,467 --> 00:39:45,000
drug screen that's
extremely good at detecting
731
00:39:45,066 --> 00:39:48,467
traces of drugs of
which there were none.
732
00:39:49,967 --> 00:39:53,266
[narrator] DespiteA.P.R.O.'s and the family'sbest efforts,
733
00:39:53,266 --> 00:39:57,667
Travis' reappearance does notremain secret for long.
734
00:39:57,667 --> 00:40:01,500
The operator who
patched Travis through to call
735
00:40:01,567 --> 00:40:05,166
his sister's house
listened in on the call.
736
00:40:05,266 --> 00:40:08,166
Remember, this is 1975,where they actually did have
737
00:40:08,266 --> 00:40:10,100
operators who patchedpeople through.
738
00:40:11,266 --> 00:40:13,867
She recognized the name
as he tried to make this,
739
00:40:13,867 --> 00:40:16,600
uh, collect call
from Travis Walton,
740
00:40:16,667 --> 00:40:18,100
that this was big news.
741
00:40:18,767 --> 00:40:20,400
So she takes that information
742
00:40:20,467 --> 00:40:23,066
and leaks it
to the sheriff's office.
743
00:40:23,066 --> 00:40:25,467
[Shelley] His family was fullyaware that there had been
744
00:40:25,567 --> 00:40:28,000
an ensuing search for Travis,
745
00:40:28,066 --> 00:40:31,367
and yet they chose not to let
the law enforcement community,
746
00:40:31,467 --> 00:40:34,066
um, know
that he had been found.
747
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,967
[narrator]
Travis' family feels he is
748
00:40:36,967 --> 00:40:39,500
too emotionally unstableto face questioning
749
00:40:39,567 --> 00:40:40,638
from the sheriff's department.
750
00:40:40,638 --> 00:40:41,000
from the sheriff's department.
751
00:40:41,066 --> 00:40:43,900
For the first few daysafter his return,
752
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,100
Travis' brother Duane actsas the family's spokesperson.
753
00:40:48,166 --> 00:40:50,567
[reporter 3] Obviously, Duane,you know your own brother
754
00:40:50,567 --> 00:40:51,800
probably betterthan anybody else.
755
00:40:51,867 --> 00:40:53,400
Do you believe the story?
756
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,066
I've never seen himplay a practical jokein his adult life.
757
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,767
[narrator] The veracious mediaruns with the story.
758
00:41:01,867 --> 00:41:04,800
Before long,it's international news.
759
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,700
Well, now the storythat has been hitting
760
00:41:07,767 --> 00:41:09,767
the headlines all overthe United States
761
00:41:09,767 --> 00:41:10,638
is the one we told youabout last week,
762
00:41:10,638 --> 00:41:11,367
is the one we told youabout last week,
763
00:41:11,467 --> 00:41:13,500
of the man who disappearedafter seeing
764
00:41:13,567 --> 00:41:16,000
what his friendsthought was a flying saucer.
765
00:41:16,066 --> 00:41:18,166
After a five days searchby police,
766
00:41:18,166 --> 00:41:21,467
Travis Walton has turned upunharmed and he says
767
00:41:21,567 --> 00:41:24,567
that he was taken aboarda spaceship but the police,
768
00:41:24,567 --> 00:41:26,900
of course, no wayof checking his story.
769
00:41:28,567 --> 00:41:30,166
[narrator] As law enforcement
770
00:41:30,166 --> 00:41:34,200
and journalists scramblehear the story firsthand,
771
00:41:34,266 --> 00:41:38,867
Travis remains sequesteredin a Phoenix hotel room
772
00:41:38,867 --> 00:41:40,638
reliving his experienceof abject horror.
773
00:41:40,638 --> 00:41:44,066
reliving his experienceof abject horror.
774
00:41:47,166 --> 00:41:48,567
[dramatic music playing]
775
00:42:01,266 --> 00:42:04,033
[narrator]
On November 14th, 1975,
776
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:07,266
four days after his return,Travis Walton
777
00:42:07,266 --> 00:42:08,934
meets with Dr. James Harder
778
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,667
at the Aerial PhenomenaResearch Organization
779
00:42:11,767 --> 00:42:13,266
in a Phoenix hotel room.
780
00:42:14,667 --> 00:42:16,567
Surrounded by his loved ones,
781
00:42:16,567 --> 00:42:16,670
Dana and his brother Duane,Travis prepares to go undergo
782
00:42:16,670 --> 00:42:20,166
Dana and his brother Duane,Travis prepares to go undergo
783
00:42:20,233 --> 00:42:23,967
a technique calledregressive hypnosis
784
00:42:24,033 --> 00:42:28,100
to help him facehis most petrifying memories.
785
00:42:50,934 --> 00:42:52,934
[fan squeaking]
786
00:42:55,734 --> 00:42:58,867
[narrator]
Physically, Travis is sittingon the hotel room sofa...
787
00:43:02,166 --> 00:43:05,667
...but mentally, Dr. Hardertakes him back to the moment
788
00:43:05,767 --> 00:43:08,467
he was abductedon board the alien ship
789
00:43:13,066 --> 00:43:16,670
and the next terrifyingfive days of missing time.
790
00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:18,467
and the next terrifyingfive days of missing time.
791
00:43:18,567 --> 00:43:22,233
Visualize just what'sin front of you there.
792
00:43:24,166 --> 00:43:26,667
Tell me what it isthat your eyes see.
793
00:43:34,166 --> 00:43:36,166
[Travis] I was layingon my back.
794
00:43:37,567 --> 00:43:39,266
I came to slowly...
795
00:43:40,667 --> 00:43:42,967
At first I thoughtI was in a hospital.
796
00:43:44,266 --> 00:43:46,670
I felt like there was
something seriously wrong.
797
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:47,133
I felt like there was
something seriously wrong.
798
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,600
There was a light above me.
799
00:43:51,667 --> 00:43:54,667
It wasn't so bright I couldn't
look at it, but it sort of,
800
00:43:54,734 --> 00:43:58,467
uh, interfered with seeing
other things around me.
801
00:44:00,266 --> 00:44:03,767
But I was looking aroundto see where I was.
802
00:44:06,667 --> 00:44:09,367
It was a very small space,
803
00:44:09,467 --> 00:44:12,967
but there was something lying
on my chest.
804
00:44:14,467 --> 00:44:16,670
There seem to be,
you know, some kind of, uh,
805
00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:17,033
There seem to be,
you know, some kind of, uh,
806
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:18,500
light coming from it.
807
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:24,667
When I looked beyondthe edge of that, I saw faces,
808
00:44:24,734 --> 00:44:28,033
but it was so blurrythat I kind of assumed
809
00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:32,066
it was like, uh, doctors
wearing, uh, surgical masks.
810
00:44:33,066 --> 00:44:35,033
It was only a matterof seconds
811
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:38,600
before I realized that these
weren't human doctors.
812
00:44:39,834 --> 00:44:41,367
This was an alien face.
813
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:46,670
They were about fivefoot tall, no hair,
814
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:48,367
They were about fivefoot tall, no hair,
815
00:44:48,834 --> 00:44:50,600
very white skin,
816
00:44:50,667 --> 00:44:53,867
small featuresexcept for large eyes.
817
00:44:55,867 --> 00:44:58,266
[narrator] The beingsTravis encounters,
818
00:44:58,266 --> 00:45:00,400
they're a striking resemblance
819
00:45:00,467 --> 00:45:05,266
to grey aliens reported inother UFO abduction stories.
820
00:45:06,166 --> 00:45:08,834
Greys are the most
common description
821
00:45:08,834 --> 00:45:11,467
of some of these others
that have been visiting us.
822
00:45:12,734 --> 00:45:14,867
Three and a halfto four feet tall,
823
00:45:14,934 --> 00:45:16,467
big black eyes,
824
00:45:16,567 --> 00:45:16,670
larger heads,not much of a nose,
825
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:18,567
larger heads,not much of a nose,
826
00:45:18,667 --> 00:45:20,066
not much of a mouth.
827
00:45:20,133 --> 00:45:23,066
Spindly little things,
that's what he saw.
828
00:45:26,967 --> 00:45:30,166
[narrator] To Travis,this strange appearance
829
00:45:30,233 --> 00:45:34,567
and blank expressionsare unnerving.
830
00:45:34,567 --> 00:45:38,567
[Travis] The feeling of pain,the feeling of suffocation,
831
00:45:38,667 --> 00:45:42,166
at the same timethey expressed no emotion
832
00:45:42,266 --> 00:45:43,266
to their face.
833
00:45:43,266 --> 00:45:44,467
It seemed threatening.
834
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:46,670
I just freaked outat that point.
835
00:45:46,670 --> 00:45:47,367
I just freaked outat that point.
836
00:45:49,367 --> 00:45:51,600
And jumped offof the table there.
837
00:45:53,266 --> 00:45:56,467
And when I did,
this device fell off.
838
00:45:57,767 --> 00:46:01,467
[narrator] Travis' survivalinstincts kick in full force.
839
00:46:01,567 --> 00:46:03,266
[Travis] It was were justfight or flight
840
00:46:04,166 --> 00:46:06,967
and I grabbed, um, rod or tube
841
00:46:07,033 --> 00:46:09,600
and just started swinging
to the air.
842
00:46:11,467 --> 00:46:14,367
The only opening in
the room was beyond them.
843
00:46:17,667 --> 00:46:19,467
[narrator] Suddenlyand without warning,
844
00:46:19,467 --> 00:46:21,500
the aliens change course.
845
00:46:23,066 --> 00:46:24,367
[Travis] They left the room.
846
00:46:25,233 --> 00:46:26,467
I was afraid they'd come back,
847
00:46:26,567 --> 00:46:31,233
so I left there, uh,looking for a way out.
848
00:46:38,667 --> 00:46:42,867
The whole craft was lit up
in a way that I would consider
849
00:46:42,934 --> 00:46:46,467
to be pretty, pretty dim by,you know, human standards.
850
00:46:48,567 --> 00:46:53,133
I felt like there was aninsufficient amount of air.
851
00:46:53,133 --> 00:46:55,667
Like I couldn't get enoughair just breathing.
852
00:46:55,767 --> 00:46:57,867
Air was thin but humid.
853
00:46:59,033 --> 00:47:01,367
[narrator] Struggling to seeand desperate for air,
854
00:47:02,367 --> 00:47:04,367
Travis comesacross another door.
855
00:47:05,667 --> 00:47:09,000
The room appears to be emptyexcept for a single chair.
856
00:47:10,133 --> 00:47:13,467
As Travis approaches,he notices the light
857
00:47:13,567 --> 00:47:15,367
in the room shift.
858
00:47:17,066 --> 00:47:19,400
[Travis] There was somekind of a projection
859
00:47:19,467 --> 00:47:21,767
or some kindof a viewing thing
860
00:47:21,834 --> 00:47:24,266
in this room where you couldsee a map of stars.
861
00:47:27,166 --> 00:47:29,734
The points of lights
that came through it
862
00:47:29,734 --> 00:47:34,767
were not real visible
until I got near the chair.
863
00:47:34,867 --> 00:47:37,567
Away from the chairthe walls didn't seem
864
00:47:37,567 --> 00:47:39,867
to have those pointsof lights so much.
865
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:43,767
[narrator] Could it besome kind of control room?
866
00:47:44,767 --> 00:47:46,670
Travis looksfor any means of escape.
867
00:47:46,670 --> 00:47:47,734
Travis looksfor any means of escape.
868
00:47:47,734 --> 00:47:50,767
[Travis] On the arm ofthe chair was a screen
869
00:47:50,834 --> 00:47:55,133
and some colored spots,uh, I took to be buttons.
870
00:47:56,266 --> 00:47:58,033
I was just thinkingthese buttons
871
00:47:58,100 --> 00:48:00,834
might open one of these
doorway looking things.
872
00:48:01,567 --> 00:48:04,967
Foolishly assuming that a door
873
00:48:05,033 --> 00:48:07,467
would just be openedto the air,
874
00:48:07,567 --> 00:48:09,367
and I could dropto the ground, you know?
875
00:48:09,467 --> 00:48:11,233
Fifteen-20 feet.
876
00:48:11,233 --> 00:48:14,066
I could handle that
just to get out of there.
877
00:48:15,266 --> 00:48:16,670
[narrator]
The buttons have no effect.
878
00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:17,767
[narrator]
The buttons have no effect.
879
00:48:17,834 --> 00:48:20,667
Travis has no choice butto look for another way out.
880
00:48:21,867 --> 00:48:25,767
Just then he notices,he's not alone.
881
00:48:28,166 --> 00:48:31,367
The form looks oddly familiar.
882
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:35,133
Could it be human?
883
00:48:39,066 --> 00:48:41,266
In a Phoenix hotel room,
884
00:48:41,333 --> 00:48:44,934
Travis Walton's loved onessit in stunned silence
885
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,533
as he recountsthe traumatic nightmare
886
00:48:47,533 --> 00:48:50,767
of being trapped aboard a UFO.
887
00:48:54,533 --> 00:48:55,934
I didn't actually
hear the story
888
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,433
until he was put
under hypnosis,
889
00:48:58,433 --> 00:49:00,233
and I was in the room
with him when...
890
00:49:00,233 --> 00:49:02,867
So when he told
the story it was really...
891
00:49:02,934 --> 00:49:06,934
Shocking, it was scary to me,
what he had to go through.
892
00:49:10,734 --> 00:49:13,266
[narrator] After tryingin vain to open a doorway
893
00:49:13,333 --> 00:49:14,667
or escape hatch,
894
00:49:14,767 --> 00:49:17,867
Travis has no choicebut to return to the corridor
895
00:49:17,934 --> 00:49:20,767
and searchfor another means of escape,
896
00:49:20,834 --> 00:49:25,567
only this time,there's something or someone
897
00:49:25,634 --> 00:49:27,667
blocking his way.
898
00:49:27,767 --> 00:49:31,100
[Travis] There wasa what I took to bea human being.
899
00:49:32,634 --> 00:49:36,166
I immediately just assume
this was air force, NASA,
900
00:49:36,233 --> 00:49:37,047
somebody, you know,
there to intervene
901
00:49:37,047 --> 00:49:39,100
somebody, you know,
there to intervene
902
00:49:39,166 --> 00:49:42,166
and, uh, take me away
from these creatures.
903
00:49:45,667 --> 00:49:48,367
[narrator] In a rare,archival interview,
904
00:49:48,433 --> 00:49:51,667
Travis describeshis encounter with the being.
905
00:49:52,767 --> 00:49:55,834
This was a...A human-looking person.
906
00:49:56,867 --> 00:49:59,967
They'd pass in a crowdas an individual.
907
00:50:02,033 --> 00:50:05,467
He was bigger than me,taller, and more muscular.
908
00:50:05,533 --> 00:50:07,047
Very large individual.
909
00:50:07,047 --> 00:50:07,433
Very large individual.
910
00:50:07,433 --> 00:50:12,467
I went up and, uh,tried to talk to this guy
911
00:50:13,266 --> 00:50:15,667
and, uh, he didn't answer me.
912
00:50:17,133 --> 00:50:19,166
When I startedyelling questions,
913
00:50:19,233 --> 00:50:21,066
trying to tell him,"What are these things?
914
00:50:21,133 --> 00:50:22,634
Where am I?" You know,
915
00:50:22,634 --> 00:50:23,767
"Get me out of here."
916
00:50:23,834 --> 00:50:26,066
All those kind of things,
he didn't really seem to,
917
00:50:26,133 --> 00:50:28,100
uh, be responding
to anything I was saying.
918
00:50:29,867 --> 00:50:32,333
[narrator] Instead,the suited stranger
919
00:50:32,333 --> 00:50:34,100
takes Travis by the arm
920
00:50:34,166 --> 00:50:37,047
and escorts him further downthe corridor.
921
00:50:37,047 --> 00:50:37,767
and escorts him further downthe corridor.
922
00:50:37,867 --> 00:50:39,967
[Travis] I went downthe hallway with him,
923
00:50:40,033 --> 00:50:43,934
very dimly lit,
but lit from above.
924
00:50:45,166 --> 00:50:47,133
When we came to a door,
925
00:50:48,266 --> 00:50:50,767
I did not seethis human-looking individual
926
00:50:50,867 --> 00:50:53,367
do anything to make
the door open, but it did.
927
00:50:54,467 --> 00:50:57,333
[narrator] Travisand his enigmatic escort
928
00:50:57,333 --> 00:51:01,567
entered what appears to besome kind of an air lock.
929
00:51:01,634 --> 00:51:05,667
We went into
a little booth-like section
of the hallway.
930
00:51:09,266 --> 00:51:11,333
[narrator]
Then, Travis is overcome
931
00:51:11,333 --> 00:51:13,767
by a sudden shiftin the environment.
932
00:51:15,033 --> 00:51:16,867
[Travis] I could feelthat the air
933
00:51:16,934 --> 00:51:18,433
coming in was cooler.
934
00:51:19,233 --> 00:51:21,533
I could breathe better,
935
00:51:21,533 --> 00:51:25,533
and that the outside light
was so much brighter
by comparison.
936
00:51:29,567 --> 00:51:31,467
[narrator] Travisdescribes being ushered
937
00:51:31,567 --> 00:51:34,000
from somethinglike an alien aircraft hanger
938
00:51:34,066 --> 00:51:36,967
in the seldomseen BBC documentary.
939
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:42,266
[Travis] He let me outof this craft,
940
00:51:42,367 --> 00:51:45,433
which appeared to beparked inside of a,
941
00:51:45,433 --> 00:51:48,266
a larger building,or a larger craft.
942
00:51:48,367 --> 00:51:49,667
He just took meright out of there
943
00:51:50,533 --> 00:51:52,333
down a hallway to a room
944
00:51:52,333 --> 00:51:54,767
where there were some otherpeople who looked like him.
945
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,433
[narrator] These two beingsare not wearing helmets,
946
00:52:00,433 --> 00:52:02,166
giving Travis a clear look
947
00:52:02,266 --> 00:52:07,047
at what ufologists referto as "Nordic aliens."
948
00:52:07,047 --> 00:52:07,266
at what ufologists referto as "Nordic aliens."
949
00:52:07,367 --> 00:52:12,266
Tall, human-like figures,Scandinavian in appearance.
950
00:52:13,667 --> 00:52:15,934
In the pantheon
of aliens that keep getting
951
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,367
described by people
who have had
952
00:52:17,433 --> 00:52:20,834
abduction experiences you have
primarily the greys...
953
00:52:24,767 --> 00:52:26,734
...but you also have something
called the Nordic.
954
00:52:26,734 --> 00:52:30,133
The Nordic has come
to represent basically
955
00:52:30,133 --> 00:52:33,033
a human-looking alien.
956
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:37,047
In Travis' case, the Nordic
he saw was about six feet
two inches tall,
957
00:52:37,047 --> 00:52:38,467
In Travis' case, the Nordic
he saw was about six feet
two inches tall,
958
00:52:38,567 --> 00:52:42,000
kind of brownish,blondish hair.
959
00:52:42,066 --> 00:52:45,734
Basically, like a Caucasian.
Could've been from Sweden.
960
00:52:49,367 --> 00:52:51,867
[narrator] Travis' attentionquickly shifts
961
00:52:51,967 --> 00:52:55,100
to an examination tablein the center of the room.
962
00:52:56,233 --> 00:52:58,567
The mysterious beingin the space suit
963
00:52:59,266 --> 00:53:00,667
pushes him toward it.
964
00:53:01,734 --> 00:53:03,467
[Travis] He seemed to betrying to get me
965
00:53:03,533 --> 00:53:05,367
to get on the table
966
00:53:05,433 --> 00:53:07,047
and I was very much
resisting that.
967
00:53:07,047 --> 00:53:07,767
and I was very much
resisting that.
968
00:53:07,867 --> 00:53:12,233
I became alarmed that he was
not answering my questions.
969
00:53:12,233 --> 00:53:14,233
I was obviously terrified
and asking,
970
00:53:14,233 --> 00:53:16,033
"Where are you taking me?
What's this all about?"
971
00:53:17,166 --> 00:53:19,667
[narrator] Travis fightswith all his might,
972
00:53:19,734 --> 00:53:22,634
but the Nordics step inand overpower him
973
00:53:22,634 --> 00:53:24,567
with superhuman strength.
974
00:53:26,166 --> 00:53:28,667
[Travis] Very frightening,I was fighting back
975
00:53:28,734 --> 00:53:30,867
immediately,no longer cooperating.
976
00:53:30,967 --> 00:53:34,066
I thought I was pretty
strong in those days,
977
00:53:34,133 --> 00:53:37,047
but they didn't have too much
trouble getting me down
on the table.
978
00:53:37,047 --> 00:53:37,066
but they didn't have too much
trouble getting me down
on the table.
979
00:53:44,433 --> 00:53:46,166
They put this maskover my face,
980
00:53:46,266 --> 00:53:48,233
it's kind of likean oxygen mask.
981
00:53:48,233 --> 00:53:50,000
There was no hoseconnected to it,
982
00:53:50,066 --> 00:53:51,266
they put it over my face
983
00:53:51,333 --> 00:53:53,834
and that was the last thing
I knew, I just blacked out.
984
00:54:02,667 --> 00:54:05,266
Next thingI remember was waking up
985
00:54:06,467 --> 00:54:07,047
outside, cold air
986
00:54:07,047 --> 00:54:08,367
outside, cold air
987
00:54:09,767 --> 00:54:11,266
coming into my clothes.
988
00:54:19,667 --> 00:54:21,433
[narrator] In a Phoenixhotel room,
989
00:54:21,433 --> 00:54:23,467
Travis awakens from a trance,
990
00:54:24,734 --> 00:54:28,467
after recounting his harrowingalien abduction experience.
991
00:54:29,867 --> 00:54:33,433
And to his loved ones,it's clear
992
00:54:33,433 --> 00:54:36,567
Travis will never be the same.
993
00:54:36,634 --> 00:54:37,047
[Dana] He seemedreally different.
994
00:54:37,047 --> 00:54:38,867
[Dana] He seemedreally different.
995
00:54:38,967 --> 00:54:43,166
He seemed traumatized,
he seemed kind of scared.
996
00:54:43,233 --> 00:54:45,166
I felt sorry for him in a way,
997
00:54:45,233 --> 00:54:48,266
like I wanted to help him,
but I felt helpless.
998
00:54:48,333 --> 00:54:50,634
Like, I couldn't do
anything for him.
999
00:54:50,634 --> 00:54:53,333
[narrator] But a traumaof alien contact
1000
00:54:53,333 --> 00:54:55,166
was just the beginning.
1001
00:54:55,233 --> 00:54:58,734
Travis' story would sparka firestorm of debate
1002
00:54:58,734 --> 00:55:00,967
and speculation that ignites
1003
00:55:01,033 --> 00:55:05,767
the town of Snowflakeand engulfs the entire world.
1004
00:55:10,867 --> 00:55:12,433
[dramatic music playing]
1005
00:55:18,266 --> 00:55:19,867
After a strenuous battery
1006
00:55:19,967 --> 00:55:22,667
of medical testsand regressive hypnotherapy
1007
00:55:22,734 --> 00:55:28,467
in Phoenix, Travis Waltonreturns home to Snowflake.
1008
00:55:31,533 --> 00:55:34,667
[Don] When I saw Travisthe next time, he was...
1009
00:55:35,266 --> 00:55:37,367
He was skinny.
1010
00:55:37,433 --> 00:55:40,573
But the relief and the joy
that I saw on our mother
1011
00:55:40,573 --> 00:55:42,233
But the relief and the joy
that I saw on our mother
1012
00:55:43,166 --> 00:55:44,367
was awesome.
1013
00:55:44,433 --> 00:55:46,166
How she just stood thereand cried.
1014
00:55:47,367 --> 00:55:49,467
And my mother didn't cry
about anything.
1015
00:55:50,367 --> 00:55:52,567
But over that
she certainly did.
1016
00:55:52,667 --> 00:55:56,667
We thought we had lost
a family member.
1017
00:56:00,867 --> 00:56:02,166
[narrator] The media frenzy,
1018
00:56:02,233 --> 00:56:04,100
sparked bythe abduction story,
1019
00:56:04,166 --> 00:56:07,133
only intensifies asTravis re-emerges.
1020
00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:10,573
[Don] Oh, it was a circus.
1021
00:56:10,573 --> 00:56:11,867
[Don] Oh, it was a circus.
1022
00:56:11,934 --> 00:56:14,934
Mother didn't have a fence
around our front yard.
1023
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,367
There was probably100 people out there.
1024
00:56:17,433 --> 00:56:19,767
Reporters, all kindsof cameras.
1025
00:56:20,867 --> 00:56:22,166
[narrator]
In an effort to keep
1026
00:56:22,266 --> 00:56:26,667
the camera hounds at bay,a still traumatized Travis
1027
00:56:26,767 --> 00:56:29,367
reluctantly grantshis first interviews.
1028
00:56:32,667 --> 00:56:34,367
[Barbara Frum]
Mr. Walton, how are you?
1029
00:56:34,467 --> 00:56:35,767
[Travis] I'm feelinga lot better.
1030
00:56:36,467 --> 00:56:38,166
[Barbara] Where were you?
1031
00:56:38,233 --> 00:56:39,667
[Travis] I don't know.
[chuckles softly]
1032
00:56:42,133 --> 00:56:43,867
[interviewer] Did you triedto communicate with them?
1033
00:56:43,967 --> 00:56:46,767
Well, I triedto communicate with them
1034
00:56:46,867 --> 00:56:48,100
but there was no answer.
1035
00:56:48,166 --> 00:56:50,066
They never talked to meor anything.
1036
00:56:51,433 --> 00:56:53,000
[narrator]
The unwanted scrutiny
1037
00:56:53,066 --> 00:56:55,166
pushes the town's peopleto the brink.
1038
00:56:56,634 --> 00:56:59,767
[Shelley] I thoughtthe media attentionwas insane.
1039
00:56:59,834 --> 00:57:01,667
There was
so much interest in it,
1040
00:57:01,734 --> 00:57:04,433
and at the time I just
remember thinking to myself,
1041
00:57:04,433 --> 00:57:07,533
"How can these people
really believe this story?"
You know.
1042
00:57:07,533 --> 00:57:09,000
Kinda skeptical.
1043
00:57:09,066 --> 00:57:10,573
You know, seeing is believing,and I don't see nothing.
1044
00:57:10,573 --> 00:57:12,166
You know, seeing is believing,and I don't see nothing.
1045
00:57:12,266 --> 00:57:16,166
It was the talk
of the town for a long time,
1046
00:57:16,266 --> 00:57:19,467
and I think there were peoplethat believed in UFOs
1047
00:57:19,533 --> 00:57:23,767
and people that felt that
people that believed in UFOs
were crazy.
1048
00:57:26,867 --> 00:57:28,567
I didn't know
if I went to a bar
1049
00:57:28,634 --> 00:57:30,533
if somebody's gonna
buy me a beer or,
1050
00:57:30,533 --> 00:57:32,367
or take
a punch at me, you now.
1051
00:57:32,433 --> 00:57:34,033
[narrator]
New rumors circulate
1052
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:36,033
that this was all a hoax.
1053
00:57:36,967 --> 00:57:39,867
The crew,once suspected of murder,
1054
00:57:39,934 --> 00:57:40,573
now find themselvesscrutinized alongsideTravis' family,
1055
00:57:40,573 --> 00:57:44,166
now find themselvesscrutinized alongsideTravis' family,
1056
00:57:44,266 --> 00:57:47,667
accused of pulling offa massive con.
1057
00:57:50,767 --> 00:57:52,467
[Steve] You couldn'twalk through town
1058
00:57:52,533 --> 00:57:54,100
without people looking at you.
1059
00:57:54,166 --> 00:57:57,000
When he came back they thought
it was a big ole joke.
1060
00:57:59,667 --> 00:58:02,133
[John] Ten days after thathappened I left the area.
1061
00:58:02,867 --> 00:58:05,367
Went somewhere where
nobody knew me
1062
00:58:05,467 --> 00:58:08,266
and didn't know my involvement
in that and never told a soul.
1063
00:58:09,467 --> 00:58:10,573
[Don] It was tough.
1064
00:58:10,573 --> 00:58:10,734
[Don] It was tough.
1065
00:58:11,667 --> 00:58:14,367
I think people looked at usin a way
1066
00:58:14,467 --> 00:58:17,667
that we were
putting on a show.
1067
00:58:20,734 --> 00:58:22,567
[narrator] Chief amongthe skeptics
1068
00:58:22,667 --> 00:58:26,767
is a man who would becomeTravis Walton's nemesis.
1069
00:58:26,834 --> 00:58:30,767
The king of UFO debunkers,Phillip Klass.
1070
00:58:31,767 --> 00:58:33,533
[Ben] Phillip Klassis probably
1071
00:58:33,533 --> 00:58:38,100
the most well-renowned
UFO skeptic, uh,
1072
00:58:38,166 --> 00:58:40,573
debunker, uh,
maybe of all history.
1073
00:58:40,573 --> 00:58:41,667
debunker, uh,
maybe of all history.
1074
00:58:41,767 --> 00:58:44,033
He had devoted
a great deal of time
1075
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:46,667
and as a matter of fact had
written books ridiculing
1076
00:58:46,767 --> 00:58:50,133
the idea that UFOs should be
considered serious at all.
1077
00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:54,634
In my opinion,the belief in UFOs
1078
00:58:54,634 --> 00:58:57,767
will persist as long as thereare people on this earth,
1079
00:58:58,467 --> 00:59:00,233
uh, but it is a myth.
1080
00:59:01,867 --> 00:59:06,734
[Bryce] Now, Phillip Klasswas a very bright man,a journalist.
1081
00:59:06,734 --> 00:59:10,433
He just didn't buy
the Travis Walton story.
1082
00:59:10,433 --> 00:59:10,573
He thought these guys
made it up,
1083
00:59:10,573 --> 00:59:12,867
He thought these guys
made it up,
1084
00:59:12,934 --> 00:59:16,233
and he set out to prove
that anyway that he could.
1085
00:59:16,233 --> 00:59:18,100
[narrator] Klass doesextensive research
1086
00:59:18,166 --> 00:59:21,433
into the Walton storyand claims the crew
1087
00:59:21,433 --> 00:59:25,000
led by Mike Rogersconcocted the UFO scheme
1088
00:59:25,066 --> 00:59:27,667
to get out of theirlogging contract.
1089
00:59:27,767 --> 00:59:31,567
We had completed
probably over 80%
of the contract,
1090
00:59:31,634 --> 00:59:34,767
but we were also nearing
the completion deadline
1091
00:59:34,867 --> 00:59:36,734
on the contract.
1092
00:59:36,734 --> 00:59:39,000
[Angie] And they wanted toget it done before the snow
1093
00:59:39,066 --> 00:59:40,573
started coming becausethis was in November.
1094
00:59:40,573 --> 00:59:41,867
started coming becausethis was in November.
1095
00:59:41,967 --> 00:59:45,667
So they were trying to hurry
up and get it done before
it defaulted.
1096
00:59:45,767 --> 00:59:47,567
[Travis] The skeptics mademuch of this
1097
00:59:47,634 --> 00:59:50,266
that this whole things
was some kind of a scheme
1098
00:59:50,333 --> 00:59:52,567
to get out of, uh,
finishing the contract,
1099
00:59:52,634 --> 00:59:55,767
but it was not at all
to Mike's advantage
1100
00:59:55,867 --> 00:59:57,567
for the contract to end.
1101
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,000
There was a lot of moneybeing held back.
1102
01:00:02,333 --> 01:00:04,166
And we had completedmost of it,
1103
01:00:05,266 --> 01:00:08,166
but once the incident happened
there was no way
1104
01:00:08,233 --> 01:00:10,233
that the contract
was gonna get finished.
1105
01:00:11,667 --> 01:00:13,266
[Angie] After that happened,
1106
01:00:13,333 --> 01:00:16,333
Mike couldn't get that crew
to go back out there.
1107
01:00:16,333 --> 01:00:18,367
Maybe some of them
might've been willing,
1108
01:00:18,467 --> 01:00:20,333
but most of them were not.
1109
01:00:22,767 --> 01:00:25,467
[Travis] They broughtin another crew
1110
01:00:25,533 --> 01:00:27,567
to finish
what little we had left.
1111
01:00:27,667 --> 01:00:31,033
Much to Mike's
financial disadvantage.
1112
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:34,467
[narrator] And ifMike Rogers did think upthe UFO story,
1113
01:00:35,567 --> 01:00:37,367
how did he gethis six crewmates
1114
01:00:37,433 --> 01:00:39,934
to go along with hisfarfetched scheme?
1115
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,934
[Bryce] If you really thinkabout it,
1116
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,867
the idea that you would
conspire with, uh, six
or seven people
1117
01:00:46,967 --> 01:00:49,767
to tell an outrageous story
that would cause people
1118
01:00:49,867 --> 01:00:51,767
to think you might be
a murderer,
1119
01:00:51,867 --> 01:00:53,367
it just defies logic.
1120
01:00:54,433 --> 01:00:56,467
[narrator] The level ofcriticism he and the crew
1121
01:00:56,567 --> 01:01:00,333
faced is yet another shockto Travis and his family.
1122
01:01:01,467 --> 01:01:03,467
I don't like it
when people came out
1123
01:01:03,533 --> 01:01:04,867
with accusations against him.
1124
01:01:04,934 --> 01:01:06,233
I knew he was telling
the truth,
1125
01:01:06,233 --> 01:01:09,634
I believed him
and that was it.
1126
01:01:12,166 --> 01:01:14,567
[Travis] Well,there was from the get-go
1127
01:01:14,634 --> 01:01:16,767
a great deal of resistance.
1128
01:01:16,834 --> 01:01:20,033
The idea that there
could be any life
1129
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:22,233
in the universe,
other than human life.
1130
01:01:24,734 --> 01:01:28,000
And I think that'sa very close minded
1131
01:01:28,066 --> 01:01:29,467
and limited thinking.
1132
01:01:30,867 --> 01:01:36,233
It's maybe partiallymotivated out of fearor people
1133
01:01:36,233 --> 01:01:39,533
feeling that it was a threat
to religious convictions.
1134
01:01:40,567 --> 01:01:40,573
But whatever it was,many of the accusations
1135
01:01:40,573 --> 01:01:45,233
But whatever it was,many of the accusations
1136
01:01:45,233 --> 01:01:49,233
that were leviedwere easily disproved
1137
01:01:50,467 --> 01:01:54,166
because they were contraries
to verifiable facts.
1138
01:01:56,033 --> 01:01:57,934
[narrator] Yet someallegations would haunt
1139
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,433
Travis Walton for years,leading him to wonder
1140
01:02:02,433 --> 01:02:05,767
if there's a coordinatedcampaign underway
1141
01:02:05,834 --> 01:02:07,533
to discredit him,
1142
01:02:07,533 --> 01:02:10,573
and if so, who's behind it?
1143
01:02:10,573 --> 01:02:10,767
and if so, who's behind it?
1144
01:02:17,567 --> 01:02:19,133
[instrumental music playing]
1145
01:02:22,433 --> 01:02:24,634
In Snowflake, Arizona,
1146
01:02:24,634 --> 01:02:28,166
alien abductee Travis Waltonand his loved ones
1147
01:02:28,266 --> 01:02:31,767
struggle to get somesemblance of normal life.
1148
01:02:33,834 --> 01:02:35,667
About two years later
we were married.
1149
01:02:37,867 --> 01:02:40,166
We dated steadyfor those two years.
1150
01:02:41,567 --> 01:02:43,433
Fell in loveand decided to get married.
1151
01:02:44,634 --> 01:02:44,731
We tried to make it
like nothing happened,
1152
01:02:44,731 --> 01:02:47,133
We tried to make it
like nothing happened,
1153
01:02:47,133 --> 01:02:48,634
so we didn't talk
about it a lot.
1154
01:02:51,133 --> 01:02:52,834
[narrator] But tryas they might,
1155
01:02:52,834 --> 01:02:55,266
Travis and Danafind themselves hounded
1156
01:02:55,333 --> 01:02:57,734
by small town gossip.
1157
01:02:57,734 --> 01:02:59,767
You know, I could see
people looking at me
1158
01:02:59,867 --> 01:03:02,567
in the store and I could tell
they were thinking, you know,
1159
01:03:02,667 --> 01:03:04,133
things about me.
1160
01:03:04,133 --> 01:03:06,333
[Ben] And they startmaking up rumors
1161
01:03:06,333 --> 01:03:09,667
saying, "Well, the crew was
probably all using drugs.
1162
01:03:09,734 --> 01:03:11,867
They were all hallucinating."
1163
01:03:11,967 --> 01:03:14,233
[Shelley] We're talkingin the '70s
1164
01:03:14,233 --> 01:03:14,731
and what really happened
1165
01:03:14,731 --> 01:03:15,567
and what really happened
1166
01:03:15,667 --> 01:03:18,867
if there was drugs involved,
alcohol or whatever.
1167
01:03:20,133 --> 01:03:22,367
[narrator]
Travis' medical tests reveal
1168
01:03:22,467 --> 01:03:25,634
no sign of drugsin his system.
1169
01:03:25,634 --> 01:03:29,333
Travis didn't do drugs.
Travis hardly even ever drank.
1170
01:03:29,333 --> 01:03:31,467
If he did, I don't even think
he did drink.
1171
01:03:32,967 --> 01:03:35,233
[John] That job waspretty dangerous, actually.
1172
01:03:35,233 --> 01:03:38,033
Those chainsawsdon't slice you,
1173
01:03:40,433 --> 01:03:42,567
they tear chunks of meat out.
1174
01:03:42,667 --> 01:03:44,731
You can't get high or drink
and do that job, you know.
1175
01:03:44,731 --> 01:03:45,834
You can't get high or drink
and do that job, you know.
1176
01:03:45,834 --> 01:03:47,367
I don't know
anybody who could.
1177
01:03:50,367 --> 01:03:52,066
[narrator]
Despite the naysayers,
1178
01:03:52,133 --> 01:03:54,734
Travis and the crewhave their champions.
1179
01:03:55,834 --> 01:03:58,033
Most notably groupslike A.P.R.O.,
1180
01:03:58,100 --> 01:04:02,166
who gather and examineevidence to supportthe abduction claims.
1181
01:04:03,033 --> 01:04:04,367
First on their list,
1182
01:04:04,433 --> 01:04:07,166
Travis Walton'sphysical condition.
1183
01:04:08,266 --> 01:04:10,567
The people who came
and got Travis Walton
1184
01:04:10,667 --> 01:04:14,731
found a severely dehydrated
guy who didn't look good.
1185
01:04:14,731 --> 01:04:15,266
found a severely dehydrated
guy who didn't look good.
1186
01:04:15,367 --> 01:04:18,767
He was in the same clothes
that he was wearing
1187
01:04:18,834 --> 01:04:20,066
when he had disappeared
1188
01:04:20,133 --> 01:04:22,066
and when they
weighed him later,
1189
01:04:22,133 --> 01:04:25,367
uh, that next morning,
they found out he was
at least ten pounds
1190
01:04:25,467 --> 01:04:28,000
lighter than when he had gone
up in the mountains.
1191
01:04:30,767 --> 01:04:33,533
[narrator] Yet Travis' bloodtest provides the A.P.R.O.
1192
01:04:33,533 --> 01:04:36,367
doctors with somestriking information.
1193
01:04:38,033 --> 01:04:40,033
[Travis] Part of, uh,what they were looking for
1194
01:04:40,100 --> 01:04:43,166
was the presence
of what they call ketones,
1195
01:04:43,233 --> 01:04:44,731
which was to indicate
whether my body
1196
01:04:44,731 --> 01:04:46,166
which was to indicate
whether my body
1197
01:04:46,233 --> 01:04:50,433
had been consuming
its own reserves, you know,
1198
01:04:50,433 --> 01:04:53,333
fat, even muscle
in order to maintain life.
1199
01:04:54,266 --> 01:04:56,834
[Ben] He did loseten to 12 pounds
1200
01:04:56,834 --> 01:04:58,266
in a short period of time.
1201
01:04:58,367 --> 01:05:00,266
He was severely dehydrated
1202
01:05:00,333 --> 01:05:02,667
but yet no ketones
were present.
1203
01:05:02,767 --> 01:05:07,100
So, it is possible that these
visitors knew enough
1204
01:05:07,166 --> 01:05:08,333
about human biology.
1205
01:05:08,333 --> 01:05:10,767
They tried to nourish himin some way.
1206
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:13,667
[narrator] And if hewasn't picked up
1207
01:05:13,734 --> 01:05:14,731
after his crewmates left himin the woods,
1208
01:05:14,731 --> 01:05:16,166
after his crewmates left himin the woods,
1209
01:05:16,266 --> 01:05:20,100
how did Travis survivefor those five days?
1210
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,867
To believe he was left out
1211
01:05:23,934 --> 01:05:27,033
in Sitgreaves National Forest,
not only overnight,
1212
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:28,834
but for five days
is outrageous.
1213
01:05:28,834 --> 01:05:31,100
At night it gets very,
very cold.
1214
01:05:31,166 --> 01:05:34,166
The guy had a jean jacket
and, and a pair of jeans on.
1215
01:05:34,233 --> 01:05:36,634
It would've been a tough,
tough things to survive.
1216
01:05:37,767 --> 01:05:40,033
[narrator] A.P.R.O.researches in Arizona
1217
01:05:40,100 --> 01:05:41,567
also uncover evidence
1218
01:05:41,634 --> 01:05:44,731
of an increasing levelof UFO activity
1219
01:05:44,731 --> 01:05:44,734
of an increasing levelof UFO activity
1220
01:05:44,734 --> 01:05:47,867
in the months leadingup to the abduction.
1221
01:05:47,967 --> 01:05:50,467
[Ben] We had an eventthat takes place in May,
1222
01:05:50,567 --> 01:05:53,133
just outsidethe hills of Tucson.
1223
01:05:53,133 --> 01:05:56,100
We have a mother with her
children who comes across
1224
01:05:56,166 --> 01:06:01,333
a silvery glowing object,
but most interestingly,
1225
01:06:01,333 --> 01:06:04,634
she hears a low rumbling sound
1226
01:06:04,634 --> 01:06:07,734
that's very similar
to what Travis described
1227
01:06:07,734 --> 01:06:09,834
right before this thing
appeared to take off.
1228
01:06:14,266 --> 01:06:14,731
[narrator] Perhapsthe strongest evidence of all
1229
01:06:14,731 --> 01:06:17,867
[narrator] Perhapsthe strongest evidence of all
1230
01:06:17,934 --> 01:06:20,166
comes fromthe sheriff's department.
1231
01:06:21,333 --> 01:06:23,767
[Travis] To have sixwitnesses all testifying
1232
01:06:23,867 --> 01:06:28,467
in detail to the same events,
and all passing
1233
01:06:28,567 --> 01:06:31,567
lie detector tests
from the state police.
1234
01:06:33,066 --> 01:06:35,033
[Bryce] People have goneback and forth over the years
1235
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:37,000
about what a polygraphactually means,
1236
01:06:37,066 --> 01:06:40,467
but one thing we do know,
though, is when somebody
passes it
1237
01:06:40,567 --> 01:06:44,333
and it's just them,
it gives you a certain
amount of legitimacy.
1238
01:06:45,433 --> 01:06:47,066
But when you have sixdifferent people
1239
01:06:47,133 --> 01:06:48,734
taking a lie detector test
1240
01:06:49,734 --> 01:06:51,567
and they all tellthe same story,
1241
01:06:51,667 --> 01:06:54,934
your chances that the storythey're telling is accurate
1242
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,000
is about,
uh, a million to one.
1243
01:06:59,467 --> 01:07:02,233
[Travis] Dr. James Harder,he was saying
1244
01:07:02,233 --> 01:07:05,433
that the evidence to supportthat this really happened
1245
01:07:05,433 --> 01:07:08,333
would've been sufficient
to convict a person
1246
01:07:08,333 --> 01:07:10,867
of murder
in an American court of law.
1247
01:07:12,734 --> 01:07:14,731
[narrator]
On February 7th, 1976,
1248
01:07:14,731 --> 01:07:15,867
[narrator]
On February 7th, 1976,
1249
01:07:15,967 --> 01:07:17,967
Travis and his brother Duane
1250
01:07:18,033 --> 01:07:20,533
take their ownlie detector tests.
1251
01:07:21,433 --> 01:07:24,367
The results shocked everyone.
1252
01:07:29,266 --> 01:07:31,567
In February of 1976,
1253
01:07:31,667 --> 01:07:34,333
Travis Waltonand his brother Duane
1254
01:07:34,333 --> 01:07:36,867
submit topolygraph examinations.
1255
01:07:39,133 --> 01:07:40,533
They both pass.
1256
01:07:42,367 --> 01:07:44,367
Landing further credibility
1257
01:07:44,433 --> 01:07:46,667
to Travis' UFOabduction claims.
1258
01:07:54,266 --> 01:07:56,266
For years after the incident,
1259
01:07:56,333 --> 01:07:56,409
Travis and hissix crew members
1260
01:07:56,409 --> 01:07:58,266
Travis and hissix crew members
1261
01:07:58,367 --> 01:08:00,867
never waver from their story.
1262
01:08:00,934 --> 01:08:04,166
Eventually, the tideof public opinion
1263
01:08:04,233 --> 01:08:06,000
turns in their favor.
1264
01:08:08,266 --> 01:08:12,166
[Bryce] In 1975, whenthe Walton case is big news,
1265
01:08:12,233 --> 01:08:16,033
the government's institutional
response to UFOs back then
1266
01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:19,333
was, "It's probably not
a real thing, don't sweat it.
1267
01:08:19,333 --> 01:08:20,867
Go on about your lives."
1268
01:08:22,533 --> 01:08:24,166
Now the governmentsays a couple
1269
01:08:24,266 --> 01:08:25,834
of really profound things.
1270
01:08:25,834 --> 01:08:26,409
First of all, they have
confirmed that there are
1271
01:08:26,409 --> 01:08:28,967
First of all, they have
confirmed that there are
1272
01:08:29,033 --> 01:08:32,266
many objects out there
and that they're real
1273
01:08:32,367 --> 01:08:34,767
and that they're unidentified.
1274
01:08:34,867 --> 01:08:36,967
And secondly, they said,"We don't make them."
1275
01:08:38,266 --> 01:08:40,834
So, lots of peoplebelieved in them before,
1276
01:08:40,834 --> 01:08:43,166
but now
we have a more of a sense
1277
01:08:43,233 --> 01:08:45,867
they are real because our own
government is admitting it.
1278
01:08:47,767 --> 01:08:49,567
[pilot] Oh, got it!
1279
01:08:55,166 --> 01:08:56,409
[narrator] And the attitudein the Southwestern state,
1280
01:08:56,409 --> 01:08:58,066
[narrator] And the attitudein the Southwestern state,
1281
01:08:58,133 --> 01:09:00,734
known for someof the biggest UFO sightings
1282
01:09:00,734 --> 01:09:03,467
in the world has also changed.
1283
01:09:04,767 --> 01:09:09,667
I've known, uh,
Travis Walton for a long time.
1284
01:09:09,767 --> 01:09:12,967
After seeing UFOs
in New Mexico, Arizona
1285
01:09:13,033 --> 01:09:16,533
and California,
I said, "Well, there must be
1286
01:09:16,533 --> 01:09:18,867
something that,
uh... To what he said."
1287
01:09:20,233 --> 01:09:22,066
I do believe
that there are UFOs.
1288
01:09:24,100 --> 01:09:26,266
But you see things
cruising around up there
1289
01:09:26,333 --> 01:09:26,409
it's like,
"What the heck was that?
1290
01:09:26,409 --> 01:09:27,800
it's like,
"What the heck was that?
1291
01:09:27,867 --> 01:09:31,266
No, okay, is that a satellite?
No, it's moving a little bit
too fast."
1292
01:09:31,367 --> 01:09:33,233
[producer] Do you believe
there's something out there?
1293
01:09:33,233 --> 01:09:34,367
I think so.
1294
01:09:37,867 --> 01:09:40,266
Our tales completely
switched around
1295
01:09:40,333 --> 01:09:42,567
where four out of five
people do believe it now.
1296
01:09:42,667 --> 01:09:44,367
Before they didn't.
1297
01:09:44,433 --> 01:09:47,367
You know, it was
exactly the opposite.
1298
01:09:47,433 --> 01:09:51,767
[Steve] I'm sorry that Allenand Dwayne Smith aren't here,
1299
01:09:51,867 --> 01:09:55,767
because for years people
just thought we were nuts.
1300
01:09:55,867 --> 01:09:56,409
Now, you've got people
who do believe,
1301
01:09:56,409 --> 01:09:59,166
Now, you've got people
who do believe,
1302
01:09:59,233 --> 01:10:03,667
and Allen and Dwayne Smith
aren't here to, to see that.
1303
01:10:05,266 --> 01:10:07,367
[narrator] The shiftin public perception
1304
01:10:07,467 --> 01:10:09,367
began in 1978
1305
01:10:11,467 --> 01:10:13,734
when Travis Walton wrote
1306
01:10:13,734 --> 01:10:16,634
and published a bookabout his ordeal.
1307
01:10:18,367 --> 01:10:21,367
The Walton Experience
is the first book written
1308
01:10:21,433 --> 01:10:23,266
by a UFO abductee,
1309
01:10:23,367 --> 01:10:25,834
and it's sort of withstoodthe test of time.
1310
01:10:26,934 --> 01:10:28,467
[Ben] My impressionof first reading
1311
01:10:28,567 --> 01:10:31,467
Travis' book,it was so well written
1312
01:10:31,533 --> 01:10:35,333
that he presents the arguments
before his case
1313
01:10:35,333 --> 01:10:37,266
and against his case
1314
01:10:37,367 --> 01:10:41,634
and takes each individual
criticism and debunks it
one by one.
1315
01:10:43,467 --> 01:10:45,266
[Bryce] What it allowedreaders to do
1316
01:10:45,333 --> 01:10:47,867
for the first timeis to get in his head.
1317
01:10:47,934 --> 01:10:52,066
This is an honest man,
who' trying to tell us
1318
01:10:52,133 --> 01:10:53,734
what really happened to him.
1319
01:10:56,567 --> 01:10:58,667
[narrator] Travis' storycatches the attention
1320
01:10:58,734 --> 01:11:00,367
of Hollywood
1321
01:11:00,467 --> 01:11:03,166
and on March 12th, 1993,
1322
01:11:03,233 --> 01:11:07,433
Paramount Picturesreleases Fire in the Sky.
1323
01:11:09,567 --> 01:11:12,433
A film based on his book.
1324
01:11:12,433 --> 01:11:14,767
[Bryce] Talking aboutthe Travis Walton abduction,
1325
01:11:14,867 --> 01:11:17,834
there was X-amount of people
that sort of watched it
1326
01:11:17,834 --> 01:11:20,266
when it happened real time
with news coverage,
1327
01:11:20,333 --> 01:11:22,867
there were a few more
that read the book,
1328
01:11:22,967 --> 01:11:26,000
but then there were a lot more
that watched the movie.
1329
01:11:27,066 --> 01:11:29,166
And the peoplewho watched the movie
1330
01:11:29,266 --> 01:11:31,166
had their minds open
1331
01:11:31,233 --> 01:11:34,233
to the possibility thatan abduction could happen
1332
01:11:34,233 --> 01:11:37,100
because the movie starts with
"based on a true story."
1333
01:11:39,967 --> 01:11:41,367
[Dana]
After the movie was made,
1334
01:11:41,467 --> 01:11:44,033
people became moreand more enlightened I guess.
1335
01:11:44,767 --> 01:11:46,367
More and more people believed.
1336
01:11:46,467 --> 01:11:49,233
And more people came up
to me and said that they
supported us,
1337
01:11:49,233 --> 01:11:51,133
so... That was...
That was great.
1338
01:11:52,233 --> 01:11:53,834
[narrator] The mediaforces Travis
1339
01:11:53,834 --> 01:11:56,409
into the spotlightonce more to share
1340
01:11:56,409 --> 01:11:57,066
into the spotlightonce more to share
1341
01:11:57,133 --> 01:12:00,567
the terrifying true storybehind the movie.
1342
01:12:01,467 --> 01:12:04,567
It was glowing,disk-shaped object.
1343
01:12:04,667 --> 01:12:06,834
Uh, it's kinda, like,shaped like two pie pans.
1344
01:12:06,834 --> 01:12:09,867
Placed lip to lipwith a dome on top
1345
01:12:09,934 --> 01:12:13,233
and it was glowing,kind of a golden, uh,yellow color.
1346
01:12:15,667 --> 01:12:18,066
[narrator]
Like clockwork,Travis' credibility
1347
01:12:18,133 --> 01:12:19,367
comes under attack.
1348
01:12:20,867 --> 01:12:23,667
All the familiarskeptics re-emerge,
1349
01:12:23,734 --> 01:12:25,634
including Philip Klass.
1350
01:12:26,667 --> 01:12:29,867
But this time,Travis has the last word.
1351
01:12:32,367 --> 01:12:34,567
Are you saying,Phillip, that all seven
1352
01:12:34,667 --> 01:12:36,133
of these people are lying?
1353
01:12:36,133 --> 01:12:38,834
I'm afraid we haveto say that on the basis
1354
01:12:38,834 --> 01:12:40,467
of physical evidence.
1355
01:12:40,567 --> 01:12:41,634
[Larry King] Meaning?
1356
01:12:41,667 --> 01:12:43,634
Physical evidencethat should've been there
1357
01:12:43,634 --> 01:12:44,767
but was not.
1358
01:12:44,767 --> 01:12:46,567
[Larry King] Why areyou laughing, Travis?
1359
01:12:46,634 --> 01:12:49,066
Well, becausethis is typical of the sortof reasoning pattern
1360
01:12:49,133 --> 01:12:51,767
this man uses in attackingall UFO cases.
1361
01:12:51,867 --> 01:12:54,567
Uh, he's equatingthe absence of evidence
1362
01:12:54,667 --> 01:12:56,100
to be the evidence of absence.
1363
01:12:58,066 --> 01:13:00,634
[narrator] The film's releaseis a moral victory
1364
01:13:00,634 --> 01:13:03,433
for Travis Waltonand his crewmates.
1365
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:06,233
[Ben] Fire in the Sky.
1366
01:13:06,233 --> 01:13:09,033
It wasn't just a closeencounters of the third kind
1367
01:13:09,100 --> 01:13:11,767
type of movie, this is
something based on real life.
1368
01:13:11,867 --> 01:13:14,533
This is what happened
to a man and six other
1369
01:13:14,533 --> 01:13:15,934
of his crewmembers.
1370
01:13:19,433 --> 01:13:22,133
We can't just easily
dismiss abduction cases
1371
01:13:22,133 --> 01:13:24,767
because look at all
the evidence in favor
of this one.
1372
01:13:26,634 --> 01:13:29,266
[narrator] In the aftermathof Fire in the Sky,
1373
01:13:29,367 --> 01:13:32,066
a new generationof UFO investigators
1374
01:13:32,133 --> 01:13:34,333
take up Travis' cause.
1375
01:13:34,333 --> 01:13:37,166
Can they find actualphysical evidence
1376
01:13:37,233 --> 01:13:39,367
to prove Travis' story
1377
01:13:39,433 --> 01:13:41,567
beyond any doubt?
1378
01:13:45,767 --> 01:13:47,266
In 2014,
1379
01:13:49,266 --> 01:13:50,667
UFO researcher
1380
01:13:50,767 --> 01:13:52,667
and documentarian, Ben Hansen,
1381
01:13:52,734 --> 01:13:54,333
meets Travis Walton
1382
01:13:54,333 --> 01:13:57,533
at the site of his UFOabduction to examine
1383
01:13:57,533 --> 01:14:01,567
any remaining evidenceof Travis' alien encounter.
1384
01:14:02,867 --> 01:14:06,734
Years ago Travis, uh,
and I were filming, um,
1385
01:14:06,734 --> 01:14:10,767
kind of a survey before
we had a conference here.
1386
01:14:10,834 --> 01:14:13,166
So, right hereis where we determined
1387
01:14:13,266 --> 01:14:14,386
through the witnessesand especially Travis'recollection
1388
01:14:14,386 --> 01:14:15,934
through the witnessesand especially Travis'recollection
1389
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,734
where this objectwas hovering.
1390
01:14:18,734 --> 01:14:21,367
This is the first time
we're gonna open it up
to the public.
1391
01:14:21,467 --> 01:14:23,166
We didn't want
the public coming in here,
1392
01:14:23,266 --> 01:14:27,367
knowing the location
and start taking stuff
or planting things.
1393
01:14:27,467 --> 01:14:30,266
We wanted to know exactly
what kind of evidence,
1394
01:14:30,367 --> 01:14:31,567
if anything, was left over.
1395
01:14:32,834 --> 01:14:34,433
[narrator]
Ben and the research team
1396
01:14:34,433 --> 01:14:37,000
take a methodical approachto the date collection.
1397
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:43,834
[Ben] We gritted thiswhole area and we treated it
1398
01:14:43,834 --> 01:14:44,386
like a crime scene.
1399
01:14:44,386 --> 01:14:45,000
like a crime scene.
1400
01:14:46,233 --> 01:14:49,667
While we're going through
everything, the topsoil, uh,
1401
01:14:49,734 --> 01:14:52,266
we're looking at rocks
to see if they're magnetic,
1402
01:14:52,367 --> 01:14:54,867
we come across some
of these tree stumps.
1403
01:14:56,066 --> 01:14:58,967
Now these have broken offshortly after the incident.
1404
01:14:59,033 --> 01:15:01,567
You can actually countback the rings, of course,
1405
01:15:01,634 --> 01:15:04,066
and see this tree
would've been here 1975.
1406
01:15:05,133 --> 01:15:06,533
[narrator]
On closer inspection
1407
01:15:06,533 --> 01:15:09,934
of the tree rings,Ben and Travis noticed
1408
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,433
something very strange indeed.
1409
01:15:12,433 --> 01:15:14,386
[Ben] If you thinkof a tree ring,
1410
01:15:14,386 --> 01:15:14,667
[Ben] If you thinkof a tree ring,
1411
01:15:14,767 --> 01:15:17,967
they're usually
very equally sized,
1412
01:15:18,033 --> 01:15:20,567
uh, concentric circles.
1413
01:15:21,133 --> 01:15:22,867
Okay, on all sides.
1414
01:15:25,066 --> 01:15:28,367
But these treeshad something unique.
1415
01:15:28,433 --> 01:15:31,467
The rings on the side
facing the clearing
1416
01:15:32,166 --> 01:15:33,767
was spaced out further.
1417
01:15:37,567 --> 01:15:39,667
Meaning there was a greatervolume of growth
1418
01:15:39,767 --> 01:15:42,367
on that sideof the tree alone.
1419
01:15:42,467 --> 01:15:44,386
And we started noticingthis as we're going around
1420
01:15:44,386 --> 01:15:44,634
And we started noticingthis as we're going around
1421
01:15:44,634 --> 01:15:47,867
in a circle and came across
the discovery
1422
01:15:47,967 --> 01:15:50,033
that they all seemed
to be pointing
1423
01:15:50,100 --> 01:15:52,066
in a direction
towards the center.
1424
01:15:52,133 --> 01:15:54,834
The epicenter where
the craft was hovering.
1425
01:16:01,433 --> 01:16:03,867
[narrator] Could radiationfrom the UFO,
1426
01:16:03,934 --> 01:16:07,133
as evidenced by the Geigercounter readings at the site
1427
01:16:07,133 --> 01:16:11,834
in 1975, have causedthese trees to mutate?
1428
01:16:13,033 --> 01:16:14,386
[Ben] I startedresearching a bit
1429
01:16:14,386 --> 01:16:14,634
[Ben] I startedresearching a bit
1430
01:16:15,533 --> 01:16:16,834
and I found
a couple of studies
1431
01:16:16,834 --> 01:16:18,467
that happened after Chernobyl.
1432
01:16:27,567 --> 01:16:30,467
The studies foundthat these trees grow
1433
01:16:30,533 --> 01:16:33,233
exponentially greaterthan any other time period.
1434
01:16:34,767 --> 01:16:36,166
So is that what happened here?
1435
01:16:39,166 --> 01:16:41,667
[narrator] At an independentlab in Ohio,
1436
01:16:41,734 --> 01:16:44,386
the soil samples taken fromthe site are tested against
1437
01:16:44,386 --> 01:16:44,734
the soil samples taken fromthe site are tested against
1438
01:16:44,734 --> 01:16:46,467
to control group.
1439
01:16:46,533 --> 01:16:49,934
The findingsblow everyone away.
1440
01:16:52,233 --> 01:16:55,533
There was a higher
concentration of iron
1441
01:16:55,533 --> 01:17:00,233
and other ferrous materials
as compared to the controlled
1442
01:17:00,233 --> 01:17:02,467
samples which were
much further away.
1443
01:17:02,567 --> 01:17:03,834
Now what does that mean?
1444
01:17:03,834 --> 01:17:07,934
Other, uh, notable UFO cases
have indicated sometimes
1445
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:12,000
a trace evidence
of ferrous materials
1446
01:17:12,066 --> 01:17:14,386
as if something, um, creating
a large magnetic field
1447
01:17:14,386 --> 01:17:16,567
as if something, um, creating
a large magnetic field
1448
01:17:16,634 --> 01:17:19,967
was pulling these particles up
from the lower layers.
1449
01:17:24,066 --> 01:17:26,233
[narrator]
Based on these findings,
1450
01:17:26,233 --> 01:17:29,567
Ben Hansen and many otheropen-minded researchers
1451
01:17:29,634 --> 01:17:31,767
draw the same conclusion.
1452
01:17:34,033 --> 01:17:36,533
The Travis Waltonabduction case
1453
01:17:36,533 --> 01:17:39,634
offers perhapsthe best evidence to date
1454
01:17:39,634 --> 01:17:43,066
of alien visitationto planet Earth.
1455
01:17:45,033 --> 01:17:48,467
I can say that I fully
believe what he experienced
1456
01:17:48,567 --> 01:17:51,734
is how he
and the crew experiences
1457
01:17:51,734 --> 01:17:53,066
very strange event.
1458
01:17:55,266 --> 01:17:57,433
[narrator] But as Walton'sstory continues to be
1459
01:17:57,433 --> 01:18:01,066
more accepted as truth,frightening questions remain.
1460
01:18:03,166 --> 01:18:07,467
Who are these alien creaturesand what do they want?
1461
01:18:18,567 --> 01:18:21,533
Travis Waltonmakes one final trip
1462
01:18:21,533 --> 01:18:25,433
from his home inSnowflake to the siteof his alien abduction.
1463
01:18:27,066 --> 01:18:30,867
It's, It's just, um, kind of
a PTSD kind of a thing.
1464
01:18:32,467 --> 01:18:35,333
I still feel apprehension.
1465
01:18:38,467 --> 01:18:39,418
We're getting close.
1466
01:18:39,418 --> 01:18:40,066
We're getting close.
1467
01:18:42,767 --> 01:18:46,233
[narrator] For Travis, this isstill an emotional journey.
1468
01:18:57,467 --> 01:18:59,367
[sighs]
1469
01:19:02,567 --> 01:19:04,266
[Travis] This was reallya turning point
1470
01:19:04,367 --> 01:19:05,867
in my life what happened here.
1471
01:19:07,433 --> 01:19:09,418
It's amazing to thinkhow much time has gone by.
1472
01:19:09,418 --> 01:19:10,367
It's amazing to thinkhow much time has gone by.
1473
01:19:11,266 --> 01:19:13,367
Little did I know, uh,
1474
01:19:14,533 --> 01:19:16,467
my life would
never be the same.
1475
01:19:17,867 --> 01:19:19,934
[narrator] Four decades later,
1476
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,000
Travis reflectson what it all means.
1477
01:19:23,066 --> 01:19:26,467
[Travis] Well, I had a choiceafter this incident happened.
1478
01:19:26,567 --> 01:19:29,333
Could I just shut up about
it and hope people
1479
01:19:29,333 --> 01:19:31,567
will forget about it
and it'll go away
1480
01:19:31,634 --> 01:19:34,166
or get out there
and defend myself
1481
01:19:34,266 --> 01:19:36,634
and, uh,
set the record straight?
1482
01:19:41,834 --> 01:19:45,266
Aliens exist, we're not alonein the universe.
1483
01:19:46,467 --> 01:19:51,066
I think people need to realize
that there is a reality here.
1484
01:19:52,934 --> 01:19:55,000
[narrator] And no one knowsthis better
1485
01:19:55,066 --> 01:19:59,100
than the six men whowitnessed Travis'alien encounter.
1486
01:20:00,266 --> 01:20:04,967
Every one of those
crewmen has stood by the story
1487
01:20:05,033 --> 01:20:07,667
of that happened
throughout their lives
1488
01:20:08,967 --> 01:20:09,418
and some of them areno longer with us.
1489
01:20:09,418 --> 01:20:10,934
and some of them areno longer with us.
1490
01:20:12,166 --> 01:20:14,467
They've had the courage
to stand up
1491
01:20:14,533 --> 01:20:17,133
to the naysayers and they
endured that
1492
01:20:17,133 --> 01:20:19,967
from the beginning, even...
Even before I was returned.
1493
01:20:22,066 --> 01:20:24,767
[Steve] I lived it and it'sstill hard to believe.
1494
01:20:24,834 --> 01:20:27,433
Man, I've been called
a liar so many times.
1495
01:20:27,433 --> 01:20:29,667
[laughing]
1496
01:20:29,767 --> 01:20:32,266
I'm just used to it, I guess.
It doesn't really bother me.
1497
01:20:32,333 --> 01:20:34,367
If you believe it,
you believe it.
You don't, you don't.
1498
01:20:35,667 --> 01:20:38,767
[John] It's alwaysgonna be there, you know.
1499
01:20:38,867 --> 01:20:39,418
And sometime
if bothers me a lot,
1500
01:20:39,418 --> 01:20:41,266
And sometime
if bothers me a lot,
1501
01:20:41,333 --> 01:20:43,934
you know, but it did happen
and why did it happen?
1502
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,333
Why was it us?
1503
01:20:46,567 --> 01:20:49,266
[Mike] Everybody was affecteddifferently, you know.
1504
01:20:49,333 --> 01:20:53,066
Greatly affected my life,
but it's all for the better
I think.
1505
01:20:53,133 --> 01:20:54,433
For the better.
1506
01:20:57,467 --> 01:20:58,567
It was real.
1507
01:21:00,066 --> 01:21:01,734
It was real that day.
1508
01:21:04,967 --> 01:21:07,266
[Dana] What I would sayto skeptics is
1509
01:21:08,100 --> 01:21:09,418
walk a mile in my shoes.
1510
01:21:09,418 --> 01:21:10,100
walk a mile in my shoes.
1511
01:21:10,166 --> 01:21:12,000
They need to do more research,
1512
01:21:12,066 --> 01:21:13,967
they need to be more
open minded.
1513
01:21:14,634 --> 01:21:17,066
[pilot] Oh, got it!
1514
01:21:17,133 --> 01:21:19,634
[laughing] Woo-hoo!
1515
01:21:19,634 --> 01:21:22,767
[narrator] Now, recentgovernment disclosures
1516
01:21:22,867 --> 01:21:25,266
lend further credenceto the experiences
1517
01:21:25,333 --> 01:21:27,967
of Travisand his fellow crewmembers.
1518
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,767
The last three years,
basically,
1519
01:21:31,834 --> 01:21:35,367
we have seen story after story
that establishes,
1520
01:21:35,433 --> 01:21:38,967
uh, that UFOs are more real
than anybody's ever believed.
1521
01:21:40,467 --> 01:21:43,266
[Ben] Perhaps the mostimportant modern-day
1522
01:21:43,333 --> 01:21:46,000
revelation from our
government is an official
1523
01:21:46,066 --> 01:21:48,266
acknowledgement that
the phenomenon is real.
1524
01:21:48,967 --> 01:21:50,533
Something is going on.
1525
01:21:52,233 --> 01:21:55,467
We definitely cannotrule out extraterrestrial.
1526
01:21:55,533 --> 01:21:59,467
If the world had felt
the same back in 1975,
1527
01:21:59,567 --> 01:22:01,367
I don't think that
the case would've received
1528
01:22:01,433 --> 01:22:04,066
so much negative
criticism and ridicule.
1529
01:22:05,634 --> 01:22:07,567
[Travis] I thinkthat the reason
1530
01:22:07,634 --> 01:22:09,418
the Pentagon disclosures
film and statements
1531
01:22:09,418 --> 01:22:11,367
the Pentagon disclosures
film and statements
1532
01:22:11,467 --> 01:22:14,133
that they have evidence,
it's basically they're saying,
1533
01:22:14,133 --> 01:22:17,233
"It's a matter
of fact." It's very..
1534
01:22:17,233 --> 01:22:18,667
It's very good progress.
1535
01:22:18,734 --> 01:22:21,367
So it's a relief
that they're going to come
1536
01:22:21,467 --> 01:22:23,767
so far as to say,
"Yes, there's something here
1537
01:22:23,867 --> 01:22:25,567
and we don't know what it is."
1538
01:22:27,033 --> 01:22:29,367
[Bryce] I think that oneof the thingsyou're going to see
1539
01:22:29,467 --> 01:22:31,767
happening in the nextfew years are we'regonna have
1540
01:22:31,834 --> 01:22:34,567
congressional hearingson this very topic
1541
01:22:35,333 --> 01:22:37,367
and I would submit
to the senators
1542
01:22:37,433 --> 01:22:38,867
and the congress people
1543
01:22:38,934 --> 01:22:39,418
who are thinking of putting
those hearings together
1544
01:22:39,418 --> 01:22:41,467
who are thinking of putting
those hearings together
1545
01:22:41,567 --> 01:22:44,133
that they might want
to consider calling up
Travis Walton
1546
01:22:44,133 --> 01:22:46,834
and bringing him up
to Washington and asking him
1547
01:22:46,834 --> 01:22:49,767
to tell his story directly.
I think they'd like to
hear it.
1548
01:22:54,767 --> 01:22:59,066
[Travis] This is the placewhere my lifewas changed forever.
1549
01:22:59,133 --> 01:23:02,166
Eventually I'm hopingsomething good willcome of it.
1550
01:23:03,567 --> 01:23:05,166
At the minimum,
1551
01:23:05,266 --> 01:23:09,418
uh, make humans realize
that we're not so special,
1552
01:23:09,418 --> 01:23:09,867
uh, make humans realize
that we're not so special,
1553
01:23:09,967 --> 01:23:12,767
uh, that, uh,
the world there is.
1554
01:23:15,834 --> 01:23:18,967
The fact that these aliensexist after all this time
1555
01:23:19,033 --> 01:23:22,467
with vastly
superior technology
1556
01:23:23,066 --> 01:23:25,467
has to mean that they, uh,
1557
01:23:25,567 --> 01:23:29,100
ceased to be war like
in attacking each other.
1558
01:23:29,166 --> 01:23:32,033
So it's, uh, sort of
a message to humanity
1559
01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:35,266
to figure out to be a whole
lot less savage
1560
01:23:35,333 --> 01:23:38,867
and a whole lot smarter
about where we're going
with all this.
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