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And that's where I saw
the plane debris, around there.
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If it's from a crash,
there are people who died.
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So we immediately thought of the families.
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That's when we got on the radio
and called the police.
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Breaking news on the search
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for Malaysia Airlines flight 370...
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A piece of plane debris
has washed up
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on the French Indian Ocean island
of La Réunion.
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But investigators believe
the debris in the images
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is consistent with a Boeing 777,
the same as the missing Malaysia jet.
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- This seems real.
- If it's a 777 part, it's MH370.
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There's no doubt.
There's nothing missing.
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No doubt. Also, it has indications
it's been in the water for a long time.
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It's a terrible day for the families.
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I personally lived in 100% complete denial
about the plane having ended its flight
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in some sort of crash.
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So everything was spiraling out of control
for my... for me, again, in my life.
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For me, the debris was the point
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at which I started thinking,
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"Fine, they're not coming back."
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We faced something that forced us
to accept that they were here.
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It's accepting
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that they won't come back. That's it.
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I personally don't believe
MH370 crashed in the south Indian Ocean.
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So, the first time I saw that in the news,
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my honest feeling,
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"Who planted it there?"
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"Who brought the piece there?"
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We don't have the answers.
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This is one of the great mysteries
in aviation history.
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It is with a very heavy heart
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that I must tell you
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that an international team of experts
have conclusively confirmed
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that the aircraft debris
found on Réunion Island
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is indeed from MH370.
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It's a huge break in the
biggest aviation mystery in decades.
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It was huge news
among the people in the Independent Group.
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It was the first hard evidence that
the plane went down in the Indian Ocean.
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The area
where they think the plane came down.
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All of those white dots simulate possible
pieces of debris coming off MH370.
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It was gratifying to learn that
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it reinforced the theories
that we had been advocating.
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Up to that point,
the only information available
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that the plane ended up
in the southern Indian Ocean
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was really the Inmarsat data.
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Now, the debris washing up
was confirming that.
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It was the first time that there was
an independent bit of evidence
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that the flight had ended up
where we roughly said it had ended up.
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When debris was found,
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it put the lights out
on the spoof scenario,
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which was my theory that the Inmarsat data
had been maliciously altered
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to make it look like the plane went
one way when it actually went the other.
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The plane clearly had not gone north,
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because here's a piece
of the actual, physical plane.
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But...
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as I thought about it,
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I thought to myself, "Okay."
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"I need to convince myself 100%
that this came from MH370."
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My love of adventure and travel
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and solving mysteries
came from when I was very young.
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I've always wanted to go
to every country in the world
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and learn about it
and any unsolved mystery anywhere,
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I wanted to be
the one to solve it and know about it.
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I'd been involved in a Facebook group
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discussing Malaysia 370
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and I wanted to know
what I could possibly do to help.
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So after the flaperon was found,
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I knew that more debris was out there.
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I talked to oceanographers.
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I said, "Well, I want to go
find more debris."
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"Where should I go?"
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And they said,
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"There will be debris in the Mozambique
Channel on the coast of Mozambique."
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"Go there, and you'll get lucky."
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And that's what I did.
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So I went to Vilanculos,
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a town on the Mozambique Channel.
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And I asked people around Vilanculos
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if they'd seen any aircraft debris.
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Now, I met a guy who said,
"Ah, there's a sandbank."
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"And that's where all the fishermen go
to get their nets, buoys, floats."
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So I went with him.
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And we were walking along,
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maybe about 20 or so odd minutes
into the search,
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and suddenly,
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I'm like, "Whoa, what's that?"
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So I walk over
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and it's this gray triangle
and it has "no step" written on it.
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And I held it in my hands.
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And I'll tell you,
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that was the moment that I knew
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in my heart and in my mind,
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that I had a piece of Malaysia 370.
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There are new developments tonight
involving that piece of debris,
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discovered off Eastern Africa,
possibly belonging
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to the missing
Malaysia Airlines flight 370.
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Malaysian authorities reiterated today
that photographic evidence suggests
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it likely came from a Boeing 777.
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And we're hearing more
from the American who found it.
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This is definitely
from an airplane.
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This could be from a Boeing.
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This could be from a 777.
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This could possibly be
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from Malaysia 370.
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From the pictures shown,
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there is a high probability of, uh...
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the plane debris is from a Boeing 777.
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I'd been told to go to Mozambique
to look for debris.
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I did and I found it.
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I was also told by oceanographers
that the best place was Madagascar.
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So I went there
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to find more debris.
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Blaine Gibson has found
at least 20 pieces of wreckage.
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Seven pieces are classified
as almost certainly from MH370.
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Another ten are likely
or highly likely to be off the plane.
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This is by far the most significant piece
that has been found.
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Blaine Alan Gibson
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had displayed an uncanny knack
for finding pieces of debris.
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Something no one else
had been able to do deliberately.
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He's the only person who can go out,
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walk along a beach
and pull up a piece of debris.
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This piece of debris,
which we believe is from Malaysia 370...
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Oh. Yeah, look.
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Oh, my God.
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And he is now responsible
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for most of the pieces of debris
of MH370 that have been recovered.
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The majority of physical evidence
about MH370
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comes through the hands of one guy.
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He's a modern-day
Indiana Jones
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who spent over two years
scouring the world on a mission
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to find answers about the Malaysian plane.
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For Blaine, it seemed easy.
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And the question that I had to ask was,
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"How is this possible?"
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If I had been right
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that MH370 was a Russian plot
that involved making it look,
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falsely,
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like the plane had gone
into the southern Indian Ocean
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then the implication was
that the debris was part of that same plot
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and was planted
by someone working for the Russians.
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And it wouldn't be the first time
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that Russians had planted
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false aircraft debris
to mislead investigators.
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Korean Airlines flight number 007
with 269 people aboard,
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was on a flight from New York to Seoul
via Alaska and Tokyo.
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The state department says
the plane was shot down
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near the Soviet Sakhalin Island.
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Back in 1983,
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the Soviets had shot down
a Korean airliner over Japanese waters.
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Japanese radio monitoring
shows the Soviet jets
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were controlled from the ground.
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It's now a race against time
for the retrieval of the black box.
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As American and Japanese officials
were looking for the wreckage,
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the Soviets planted false acoustic pingers
on the seabed to mislead their efforts.
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Is it possible
that this could be something like that?
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I wondered if it would be possible
to find any evidence
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linking Blaine to Russia.
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It turned out to be incredibly easy
to find links between Russia and Blaine.
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And I was able to pull
registration records
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that showed he had set up this company
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with two business partners
from central Russia
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back in the early '90s.
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He had been present
when the Soviet Union had collapsed.
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He could speak Russian fluently.
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So he had, at this point,
decades of links to Russia.
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I very much doubt
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that Jeff Wise would go on Netflix
and accuse me of being a Russian spy.
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He has absolutely no basis for that
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and he knows
that it would be very serious defamation.
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The first time I heard about Blaine
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was when he found his first debris.
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It's a very funny story.
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He gets on a boat, lands on a beach
thinking, "Maybe there's debris there."
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He spends two hours on that beach,
finds debris,
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and conveniently,
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all the English-speaking media
are there too.
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Weird, huh?
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What a coincidence!
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Middle of nowhere.
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On a deserted beach.
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That's Blaine for you.
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I've been accused of
absolutely horrible things that are just...
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They're so ridiculous, they are laughable.
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I've been accused
of being an American spy,
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a Russian spy,
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a Chinese spy,
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an international organ trafficker,
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an international sex trafficker.
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I mean, you name it.
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It is just patently ridiculous.
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I really didn't have any proof
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that he was connected
to Russia's military intelligence,
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or planted debris.
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But I wasn't the only person
to be suspicious about Blaine.
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Blaine Gibson
became the king of debris
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on the east coast of Africa.
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But I give zero credential or credibility
to what he finds. That's for sure.
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When you look at
the Australian report on this debris,
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they say that these pieces
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are highly likely to be part of MH370.
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"Highly likely" essentially means
that they have not been able
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to prove that it is part of MH370.
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So they can only guess that it's possible
because it looks like a piece of a plane.
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But despite that,
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the authorities had confirmed
that the flaperon was part of MH370.
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This was the first piece of debris found
on the beach of Réunion Island.
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And so, I was very eager
to look at it in detail.
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I started digging much deeper.
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And the first thing which I heard
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from an inside source
within the investigation,
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was that it was missing its ID plate.
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A metallic part
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which is either riveted or glued
with a very specific mastic,
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and which is obviously
expected to sustain all kinds of pressure,
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atmospheric, humidity, heat, cold.
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I discovered
that there is only one instance
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where you do take off
the ID plate from a plane part,
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and this is when a plane is dismantled.
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The fact that it was missing
was an enormous red flag
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that should have
immediately made you think,
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"Well, this must come
from a dismantled plane."
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Once the investigators realized
that they don't have this ID plate,
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they said, "Never mind,
we will find other reference numbers
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that eventually will help us identify
where this debris comes from."
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They say that several serial numbers
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found on the flaperon
were sent to the manufacturer
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to try and find records
in the archives of the plant.
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I actually knew from an inside source
within the investigation
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that they had sent 12 numbers,
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and that out of these 12,
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there was only one
serial number which was matching.
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Only one?
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When I heard that I was like, "What?"
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This is not good enough
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to establish beyond doubt
that this flaperon is part of MH370.
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But despite that,
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the flaperon is confirmed, uh,
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as part of MH370.
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An international team of experts
have conclusively confirmed
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that the aircraft debris
is indeed from MH370.
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The connection
between the debris and the plane...
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If you look at what we've been told,
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it's pretty thin. "It's the same type
of paint as the plane."
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Or when they tell us,
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"It was the only crash in the area,
so it must be the plane."
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Uh...
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The proof of a connection
between the debris
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and the plane wasn't convincing.
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We marked 1,000 days
since MH370 disappeared
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and decided that we would make a trip
to Madagascar with Blaine.
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The fact that Blaine was finding debris
there was some form of inspiration.
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There are a lot of people
who don't like Blaine.
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But personally,
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he's always been very respectful
of the next of kin and what we need.
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I think it's completely unfair
how Blaine's been treated.
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I believe his intentions are good.
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And I'm quite happy if he wants to go
and keep searching for as long as he can.
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So, God bless Blaine.
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When we the
families went to Madagascar ourselves
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to search for the debris,
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I had mixed feelings.
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A kind of sorrow,
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anger...
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A kind of...
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fear.
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And the feeling...
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of missing...
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my mother.
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Jiang Hui.
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Mm.
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- The same place.
- Same place.
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MH370 cove.
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It's the same.
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When I had the debris in my hand,
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I thought,
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"This was probably the thing
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that was closest to my mother
in her last moments."
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This is an interesting piece.
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Yeah.
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Over the past two years,
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everything's been thrown at the search
in the plane's most likely resting place,
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according to satellite imaging
from the British company Inmarsat.
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120,000 square kilometer area
in the southern Indian Ocean.
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But nothing has been found there yet.
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The search stretched on
for a very long time.
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We'd been searching for over two years.
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But the longer we searched,
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the more certain we became
that we would find it.
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I met next of kin.
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I absolutely empathized
with what they were going through.
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And, you know,
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I tried to reassure them that
we were doing everything we possibly could
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to find the aircraft
and... and bring their loved ones home.
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So, we just needed to persevere.
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We needed to continue.
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Maybe they genuinely
wanted to keep going, sure.
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But...
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No, there was no chance
they'd ever find the plane.
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No chance.
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The plane's not there.
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By this time,
the mystery is still unresolved.
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We don't know
what happened to the plane.
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It still could be the pilot.
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It still could be hijackers.
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What happens next is
probably the biggest gobstopper of all.
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There is this explosive new report
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that suggests the pilot
who flew the downed MH370 plane
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flew a similar route on a home simulator
just a month before this plane went down.
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From almost the very beginning,
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we knew that the captain had
a flight simulator in his basement.
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This is a YouTube video that I made.
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Many airline pilots really love flying
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and it's not unusual at all
that Zaharie had a flight simulator.
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But if he flew
the exact same route on the simulator
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that the plane
later turned out to have flown,
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it's hard to imagine he could be innocent.
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During the investigation,
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hard drives from the home flight simulator
belonging to the pilot of MH370,
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they were obtained by investigators,
given to the FBI.
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The FBI then did a thorough analysis
of those hard drives
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and were able to find data points.
According to this article...
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It turns out that the FBI
had known this information
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ever since they'd gotten
their hands on the simulator data.
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But it only surfaced in the media
two years later.
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The yellow line is the
presumed flight path that the plane took.
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The red line is the one
that was on that simulator.
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The simulator data points
seem to indicate
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the plane followed a route
up the Malacca Strait
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and then into the southern Indian Ocean
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until
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the fuel runs out.
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This could be
the strongest evidence thus far.
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00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,760
When that evidence came out,
that definitely raised a lot of eyebrows.
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A lot of people thought
that it could be a smoking gun.
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00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,240
But... this wasn't quite what it seemed.
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00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,800
Yes, the simulated plane
flew up the Malacca Strait,
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but then it seems like
the plane's location was manually changed.
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He repositioned it by,
essentially, taking the cursor
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00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,960
and moving it on a sort of global map
down into the southern Indian Ocean.
340
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,720
He didn't actually fly into
the southern Indian Ocean.
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00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,320
He just put it
in the southern Indian Ocean,
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00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,920
actually hundreds of miles away
from the search area.
343
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:07,480
So, as with anything in this case,
you can see what you want to see.
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00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,200
The pilot flew
a simulated flight that...
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00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,840
While I don't think taking
the simulator data by itself
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00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,920
proves a whole lot,
347
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,840
it certainly correlates pretty well
with the general facts as we know them.
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00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,920
And, you know, it's very odd
that you would have a simulation end
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with fuel exhaustion
in the southern Indian Ocean.
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00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,120
That simulated flight...
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00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,680
The simulator data
is not the whole puzzle.
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00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,520
It's just one piece
in the puzzle that fits.
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00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,800
We've spoken to families
this morning about this news,
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00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,640
they say they are frustrated by it.
355
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,320
When the incident
happened, the pilot's flight simulator
356
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,480
was seized by the FBI at his home.
357
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,200
People need to understand that the FBI
had this information before anyone else.
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00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,880
Then, a few years later,
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00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,680
"Ah! On the pilot's flight simulator
is the same route he flew."
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00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,600
The FBI was up to something.
361
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:09,800
For me, once again, it's more proof
the Americans are involved.
362
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,280
The FBI never handed anything
either to the official inquiry in Malaysia
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00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,040
or to the French judges.
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00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:18,440
Not even one report.
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00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,440
So we'd like to know what they did.
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00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,280
I mean,
the FBI isn't famous for its culture
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00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:34,520
of transparency.
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00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:38,040
But in this specific case, uh...
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00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:42,600
we're talking about
a request for judicial cooperation,
370
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,680
as part of a judicial investigation
benefitting from confidentiality.
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00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,400
I find it pretty scandalous
that in a case such as this one,
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00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,640
we witness this much bad faith
and such a silence. Really.
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00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,120
I believe Malaysia was
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00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,240
what we call in French,
"The Stooge" in the story.
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00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:17,520
They were updated, kept quiet somehow.
376
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,320
So it's the Americans
leading the investigation from the outset.
377
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:28,240
It's the British
who are locating the plane, with Inmarsat.
378
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,240
Okay.
379
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,360
And it's the Australians
leading the search.
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00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,920
Everybody's locked out.
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00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,160
"Move on, nothing to see here."
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00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,240
Nothing.
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00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,720
Zero.
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00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,480
When you're a journalist,
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00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,680
of course you trust the authorities.
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00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:03,400
Your first instinct is not to imagine
that these people are lying to you.
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00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,680
But as far as I was concerned,
388
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,600
the problem with this official narrative
389
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,680
of the plane crashing
in the southern Indian Ocean
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00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,680
that everyone was expected to believe,
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00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:23,000
is that it had basically no proof.
392
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,720
First, if the official narrative
is to be believed,
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00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:33,920
MH370 flew over the airspace
of six different countries,
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00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:40,680
namely, Vietnam, Thailand,
Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore,
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00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,320
and eventually Australia.
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00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:47,480
Yet not a single one of these countries
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00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,960
have been able to produce
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00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:55,400
radar images of MH370.
399
00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:01,280
Despite the fact that, yes,
it is Malaysia who said,
400
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:05,040
"We have seen MH370 U-turn."
401
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,240
So here's what
they told us after a week,
402
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:16,120
"Our military radar saw the plane
that night, fly back over Malaysia."
403
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,400
But... we've been given no proof
that the Malaysians really saw the plane
404
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,800
on the radar that night.
405
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,560
- Utter confusion.
- I don't think so.
406
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,720
the key elements
don't come with proof attached.
407
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,240
So why believe the official story
408
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,920
when they're withholding
essential pieces of evidence?
409
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,256
Excuse me?
Why won't you speak to the relatives?
410
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,680
Another thing,
which I found very interesting,
411
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,480
was the fact
that MH370 supposedly flew over
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00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,720
an air base called Butterworth,
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00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,600
which is under Australian command.
414
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,320
How can you believe
for a second
415
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:12,640
that a rogue B777
would fly over an air base
416
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:18,320
without immediately triggering
the scrambling of jets,
417
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,040
some kind of interception,
418
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,680
some kind of alert?
419
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,560
No, not at all.
420
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,120
Nothing happens.
421
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,840
And all of this is all the more incredible
422
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,680
when you realize that at that time...
423
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,080
...when MH370 disappears,
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00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,120
we had two major
military exercises going on
425
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,680
in the South China Sea involving the US.
426
00:29:58,760 --> 00:29:59,840
So, in essence,
427
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,560
you had an incredible concentration
428
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,120
of military power in the region.
429
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,680
It's completely inconceivable
430
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,720
that, in this day and age,
we would lose a B777.
431
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,800
It's even more inconceivable
that we would lose it
432
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,520
in such a highly-monitored region
of the world.
433
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,800
This is completely not credible.
434
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,720
So the only thing we can rely on
435
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,480
to say the plane crashed
in the southern Indian Ocean
436
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,440
is the handshake pings from Inmarsat.
437
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,960
So, the question
you ask yourself is obviously,
438
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,800
"Who is Inmarsat?"
439
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,040
Very interestingly,
440
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,600
they actually have a specific branch
called Inmarsat Government...
441
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,880
providing services to the militaries
of the biggest powers in the world.
442
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,000
Including the US.
443
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:20,760
So, once you understand how close
Inmarsat and the US government are,
444
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,560
is it that hard to believe that
445
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,520
the data provided by Inmarsat
446
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,480
was actually engineered or fabricated
447
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:39,160
in order to provide a cover-up
for what truly happened to MH370?
448
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,240
In my opinion,
449
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,160
MH370 did not U-turn.
450
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,400
Whatever happened,
451
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,880
it happened in the South China Sea.
452
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,720
And I was not the only one to think this.
453
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,520
I knew what I had.
454
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,400
I knew that I had evidence
in the South China Sea.
455
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,800
The more I searched,
the more debris I found.
456
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,000
So, I feel certain
that this is where MH370 ended up,
457
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,520
was off of Vietnam.
458
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,040
At that point, I already had contacted
Malaysia Airlines.
459
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,320
I tried to reach out to so many people
to tell them that this debris exists.
460
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,840
Nobody was listening to me.
461
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,720
Florence contacted me. We discussed MH370.
462
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,760
She asked me what I thought,
and I told her what I had.
463
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,800
I told her, "We need to remember,
we have the oil rig worker
464
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,560
that said he saw fire
in the sky that night."
465
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,480
The Cathay pilots
said they saw a large debris field.
466
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,120
What happened to them?
467
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,640
Where's that evidence?
468
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,800
When I talked to Florence, she said,
"I've talked to several people
469
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,920
and they tell me the same thing."
470
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,200
This was just one more voice
471
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,920
telling me that there must be
a cover-up of sorts of what truly happened
472
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,120
in that region that night.
473
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,280
At that point, I really wondered,
474
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:36,720
"What could it be
that placed MH370 at the heart
475
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,800
of the greatest mystery
of civil aviation?"
476
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,360
So, I looked very closely at the cargo.
477
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,440
What I found was very interesting.
478
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,480
And that was 2.5. tons of electronics
479
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,520
listed as walkie-talkies,
radio accessories, little things.
480
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,440
And this cargo had been delivered
481
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:17,960
under escort and loaded
on MH370 the very night
482
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,600
without having been scanned.
483
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,240
I thought this was very odd.
484
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,720
It's public knowledge that China
485
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,040
was very eager to acquire
486
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,920
highly sensitive US technology
487
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,560
in the field of surveillance,
stealth drone technology.
488
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:48,440
So, something like this
could be at the heart
489
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,640
of what happened to MH370.
490
00:34:54,480 --> 00:35:01,200
Maybe the US found out that MH370
was actually carrying problematic cargo
491
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,840
to China at the eleventh hour
492
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:10,800
and did their utmost to stop the cargo
from arriving to its destination.
493
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,480
That's when I remember
Ghyslain told me that
494
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,800
two US AWACS planes were involved.
495
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,840
But I didn't really know what to do
with it until I met someone
496
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,560
for a completely different conversation
related to MH370.
497
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:53,600
And this source happened to be
a former US Air Force member.
498
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,880
He said, "Oh, the AWACS."
499
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,400
"Their jamming capabilities
are phenomenal."
500
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,520
And I think that's
when the penny dropped for me.
501
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,880
Because I realized that the AWACS
502
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:21,200
had this capability to completely jam
the communication system of MH370,
503
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,080
making it disappear from the screens
504
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,280
of the traffic controllers.
505
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,400
So now I finally had
506
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:48,520
a technical explanation to how and why
507
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,400
MH370 suddenly disappeared.
508
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,120
And I tried to pull all this together
509
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,520
in some kind of hypothetical scenario
510
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,760
covering what may have happened to MH370.
511
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,520
So we know that, on that night,
512
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,280
this very mysterious
and very suspicious cargo,
513
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,720
without having been scanned,
514
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,560
and which has been delivered under escort...
515
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,320
is loaded on MH370.
516
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,680
The plane takes off as planned,
41 minutes after midnight.
517
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:12,160
The plane reaches its cruising altitude.
518
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,760
Malaysia 370,
maintaining level 350.
519
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,200
Everything is
completely normal.
520
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,960
So at 1:19 a.m.,
521
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,120
MH370 is requested
522
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,400
to change over to the Vietnamese airspace.
523
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,280
Malaysian 370
contact Ho Chi Minh 120 decimal 9.
524
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,360
Good night.
525
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:57,160
Captain Zaharie signs off
with his now infamous "good night."
526
00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:59,720
Uh, good night, Malaysian 370.
527
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,360
So, MH370 enters
a no man's land
528
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,880
and this is the perfect moment
for an interception to take place.
529
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,920
So it's possible, in that moment,
530
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,360
the two US AWACS moved into action
531
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,760
and jammed MH370...
532
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,680
...making it disappear from the radar.
533
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,520
Now, MH370 cannot communicate.
534
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:58,680
Maybe it receives an order
from the AWACS to go and land
535
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,400
somewhere nearby.
536
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,760
When Captain Zaharie receives the order,
537
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,360
it's possible that he says, "No."
538
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,080
He does not accept this order.
539
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,360
One hundred degrees.
540
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,960
I think he just continued
on his planned route, going to Beijing.
541
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,600
The tension would have
continued to increase
542
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,920
as Zaharie refused the orders.
543
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,520
Eventually, MH370 is getting close
to Chinese airspace.
544
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,000
So, the AWACS planes have to back off.
545
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,800
And, as horrible as it may seem,
546
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,560
they still need to stop the plane
and its precious cargo
547
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,120
from arriving to Beijing.
548
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,280
So
549
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,480
either through a missile strike,
550
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,080
or a midair collision,
551
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:16,200
MH370...
552
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,200
met its fate.
553
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,640
I'm the first one to say
that it sounds incredibly far-fetched
554
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,120
and that it has still some loose ends.
555
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:43,840
But I believe I'm certainly much closer
to the truth than the official narrative.
556
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:48,920
The most important part of my job
has been to demonstrate
557
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,640
that the official narrative
was a fabrication.
558
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,000
Oh, boy.
559
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:14,160
I'm just reluctant to talk
about Florence or Jeff
560
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,720
or these conspiracy advocates.
561
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,640
Uh, they're just such a distraction.
562
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,680
I've been watching people like Florence
get tremendous publicity for her book.
563
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,760
All kinds of interviews.
564
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,280
All kinds of newspapers.
565
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:33,840
These are people
566
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,040
that don't really understand
the facts and the data.
567
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,200
The accusations that somehow Inmarsat
568
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,680
fabricated or manipulated the data
569
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,080
are... are simply wrong.
570
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:50,520
The data is the data.
571
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,680
I... I don't understand
why anyone would think
572
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,000
that we would want to manipulate
or change any data associated with this.
573
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,240
It's not who we are
and to accuse things differently is...
574
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,480
I find it hurtful and... and...
575
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,920
Uh, yeah, it impacts me.
576
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,840
The theory that this plane
was shot down in the South China Sea...
577
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:17,760
No.
578
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,880
There'd be debris all over
the South China Sea, the Gulf of Thailand...
579
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,440
And that means that
the radar turning back is wrong.
580
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,000
That means that
the Inmarsat data is wrong.
581
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,960
That basically denies
all the evidence that there is.
582
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:40,800
I mean, there's no way
that you could get China,
583
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,520
America, Australia, England,
584
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,360
Malaysia, Vietnam, all together
585
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,080
to have a big conspiracy
to cover up what happened to the plane.
586
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,920
Those guys aren't friends.
587
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,960
They're going to squeal.
They're going to talk.
588
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,080
So, there's just no way.
589
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,760
It just didn't happen.
590
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,120
I think, unfortunately,
591
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,760
some people were so into their own
little theories and agendas, and so on,
592
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,160
that they seem to be losing objectivity.
593
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:14,920
And that's sad.
594
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,360
Jeff Wise joins me now.
Thanks so much for being with us.
595
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,080
First of all,
do you really think it went to Kazakhstan?
596
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,280
At the risk of sounding flippant, um...
597
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,920
opinions are like assholes,
everyone's got one.
598
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,440
Um...
599
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,240
Cut that, please.
600
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,840
But it's true.
601
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:40,680
I mean, I've heard every sort of theory,
every sort of conspiracy theory.
602
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,080
You know, I just find it
galling and extraordinary
603
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,760
that people could,
604
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:46,840
um...
605
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,240
in the face of the evidence,
606
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:54,160
come up with some of the most bizarre
and crazy conspiracy theories.
607
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,120
The search is over
for the missing Malaysian airliner
608
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,040
that vanished nearly three years ago.
609
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,760
Investigators overnight
officially suspended the effort
610
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,560
to find the Boeing 777
with 239 people aboard.
611
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:17,720
We need to suspend the search
until further credible evidence.
612
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,880
That was a huge, very heartbreaking moment
for, like, all the next of kin,
613
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,760
because our hopes
were largely pinned on the...
614
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,760
the continuation of the search.
615
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,720
I don... I felt completely shattered.
616
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:36,000
Voice 370, a support group
for next of kin, said in a statement,
617
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,120
"Commercial planes cannot be allowed
to disappear without a trace."
618
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:45,080
How could such a long search
not produce any, like, result?
619
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,600
Not even... Like, zero. Nothing.
620
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,560
We felt really bad.
621
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,840
It was, um... We'd been so involved
for such a long time.
622
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,440
To ultimately fail, um,
impacted on all of us.
623
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:11,280
We... We grieved.
624
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:15,360
And we felt we'd let the families down.
625
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:25,480
This will never leave any of us
until such time as that aircraft is found.
626
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,600
And there are still 239 souls on board
627
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:31,960
who need to go home.
628
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,360
Investigators released
their final report overnight
629
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:57,440
on the disappearance
630
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,960
of Malaysia Airlines flight 370.
631
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,680
The investigative team says
the Boeing 777 was airworthy.
632
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,880
The pilot was very competent
633
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,960
and showed no signs of stress
or behavioral changes.
634
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,680
And they cannot rule out
unlawful interference by a third party.
635
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,800
Good evening...
636
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,960
We are unable to determine
with any certainty
637
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:27,360
the reasons that the aircraft diverted
from its far flight plan route.
638
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,960
It is so frustrating that every time
we come for a meeting like this,
639
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:56,600
nobody, nobody is able to answer
any of our questions.
640
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,880
The only good thing that happened
641
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:07,240
was that they stopped
accusing Captain Zaharie
642
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,680
of bringing down MH370.
643
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:14,880
Eventually,
644
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,960
even the official investigation
stopped short of accusing the pilot.
645
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,440
They're not saying it anymore.
646
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,520
The only conclusion is
that it wasn't the pilot.
647
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,120
It obviously wasn't the pilot.
648
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,600
So, the Malaysian
official investigation is over.
649
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,880
They don't have an answer
but they're done anyway.
650
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,200
That's what's good about
the French justice system.
651
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,000
They can't stop,
they're not allowed to stop
652
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,720
until they find the truth.
So that's good, and it works for us.
653
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,400
I don't want to stop either
until we have an answer.
654
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,480
If it takes ten years,
then it takes ten years.
655
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,480
What's so mania-forming about MH370
656
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,560
is that it's incredibly important.
657
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,640
We're talking about
hundreds of human lives
658
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:30,560
and the entirety
of the world air transport system.
659
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:32,560
So it really matters.
660
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,160
So, did MH370 drive me mad?
661
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,960
Yes! But it needed to drive me mad.
662
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,560
It's important.
And it's good that it drove me mad.
663
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,080
It's a reasonable assumption
664
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,480
that the disappearance of MH370
was an intentional act.
665
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,600
And part of the mystery is, "Who did it?"
666
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,120
As much as I'd like to know the answer,
we may never know.
667
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,040
And we just have to live with that.
668
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,360
There's another part of the mystery,
"Where is it?"
669
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:16,520
And that is a question
with a definitive, concrete answer.
670
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,200
Because the existence
of this plane is a tangible reality.
671
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:25,680
It is somewhere.
672
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,640
And everybody wants the same thing.
673
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,920
Everybody wants to find MH370.
674
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,720
For all of these families
who've lived in this state of limbo
675
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,200
ever since that day,
676
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,640
it seems, sadly,
that that state of not knowing
677
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:48,120
is going to continue, uh,
for the foreseeable future.
678
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,320
We need to bring
the answers to the families.
679
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,160
We need to bring the answers
to the flying public.
680
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,880
We need to show
that a plane can't just disappear.
681
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,360
We owe them the proof.
682
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,560
We owe them the explanation.
683
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,640
We owe them that closure.
684
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:19,920
Well, I don't know
whether I'll ever get closure but...
685
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,400
I will try for as long as I can
to find my mother,
686
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,040
to find out what happened.
687
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,520
I believe
there are people out there
688
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,440
who know something,
who know the true story.
689
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,840
We're still here and waiting for answers.
690
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,280
We want answers.
691
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,040
It's hard to think
692
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,640
that we will get the answers
to what happened.
693
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,840
I promised him from day dot
694
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,800
that I would bring him home
and I would find him.
695
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,200
I haven't done that.
696
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,880
And until I do,
697
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:19,920
there will be no peace.
698
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,360
Yeah, we're still hopeful.
We'll never leave hope behind.
699
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:38,160
We'll never ever leave hope behind,
no matter what happens.
700
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,400
We deserve to know the truth.
701
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,320
My... My children deserve to know...
702
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,360
the truth.
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