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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,953 --> 00:00:10,468 Our imperative is to find out exactly what did happen that night... 2 00:00:10,593 --> 00:00:12,857 and right now, I have lots of questions. 3 00:00:12,982 --> 00:00:15,418 If there is anything to find, it's gonna be with the head. 4 00:00:15,543 --> 00:00:18,268 Fogerty had four other probationers from Hendon with him. 5 00:00:18,393 --> 00:00:19,348 One of them was you. 6 00:00:19,473 --> 00:00:20,668 Am I a suspect here? 7 00:00:20,793 --> 00:00:22,987 I think we talk Friday about my money. 8 00:00:23,112 --> 00:00:24,268 We think you can help us... 9 00:00:24,393 --> 00:00:26,550 throw some light on the events of an evening 30 years ago. 10 00:00:26,675 --> 00:00:27,149 We're done. 11 00:00:27,274 --> 00:00:30,348 And whoever sent you from upstairs, tell them, "Nice try, but no cigar." 12 00:00:30,473 --> 00:00:31,748 It's me, we need to meet. 13 00:00:31,873 --> 00:00:33,958 Evening, everybody. -DCI Cassie Stuart. 14 00:00:34,083 --> 00:00:36,748 I do remember Rob on that night, of course, how could you not? 15 00:00:36,873 --> 00:00:38,629 But not this lad. -Do not tell your brother this. 16 00:00:38,754 --> 00:00:39,907 I have a criminal conviction. 17 00:00:40,032 --> 00:00:41,668 If we lost that money, you could ruin us. 18 00:00:41,793 --> 00:00:43,548 And what would you do for me in return? 19 00:00:43,673 --> 00:00:45,308 I want my half to go to charity. 20 00:00:45,433 --> 00:00:47,237 Given what I know that you'll be doing for me. 21 00:00:47,362 --> 00:00:48,748 I get it, Grandad. I understand. 22 00:00:48,873 --> 00:00:51,642 Could I just run a few other names past you? Liz Baildon? 23 00:00:51,767 --> 00:00:52,290 No. 24 00:00:52,415 --> 00:00:55,548 What are you doing? Are you insane? -Tomorrow, 11 o'clock. 25 00:00:55,673 --> 00:00:57,907 Pay for your train ticket in cash. 26 00:00:58,032 --> 00:01:00,708 I have a witness, who can confirm that Walsh was being chased. 27 00:01:00,833 --> 00:01:03,548 The chase suggests that his murder was in some way provoked. 28 00:01:03,673 --> 00:01:05,953 Jake? -I found the rest of him. 29 00:02:03,232 --> 00:02:05,723 Hey-ya. -Hey. 30 00:02:15,362 --> 00:02:18,723 So, how did it go? -Yeah, good. 31 00:02:20,753 --> 00:02:22,153 And? 32 00:02:24,473 --> 00:02:26,807 I think you need to let it go, Mum. 33 00:02:28,362 --> 00:02:32,696 He knows exactly what he's doing, it's got nothing to do with her. 34 00:02:33,232 --> 00:02:35,433 Right. -Sorry. 35 00:02:36,823 --> 00:02:38,223 No, fine. 36 00:02:39,953 --> 00:02:41,777 Just don't come running to me in ten years' time... 37 00:02:41,902 --> 00:02:45,268 when you've got no money for a deposit on a flat. 38 00:02:45,393 --> 00:02:47,777 Right. Yeah, well... 39 00:02:47,902 --> 00:02:51,112 Now I know. Thanks for that. 40 00:03:16,593 --> 00:03:18,138 I am so sorry. 41 00:03:18,263 --> 00:03:21,027 Don't be daft, it's not your fault. 42 00:03:21,152 --> 00:03:24,263 So, um, welcome home. 43 00:03:26,623 --> 00:03:29,418 Well, that sounds very nice. 44 00:03:29,543 --> 00:03:32,828 Doesn't it? 45 00:03:32,953 --> 00:03:34,698 How are the girls? 46 00:03:34,823 --> 00:03:37,628 Very excited to have their own rooms, as you can hear. 47 00:03:37,753 --> 00:03:39,873 Yeah. 48 00:03:42,673 --> 00:03:44,543 I need more of this. 49 00:03:55,513 --> 00:03:59,673 What's this? -Year 10 debating prize. I won it. 50 00:04:01,032 --> 00:04:03,308 When was this? -Yesterday. 51 00:04:03,433 --> 00:04:08,167 Erm, I did tell you I was doing it, but... You had Jack's evening, so... 52 00:04:12,433 --> 00:04:15,112 Mate. Well done. 53 00:04:16,713 --> 00:04:19,873 So well done. That is just brilliant. 54 00:04:21,003 --> 00:04:24,338 And... I'm so sorry if we're not always on it. 55 00:04:24,463 --> 00:04:27,418 You know, he takes up a lot of our time. 56 00:04:27,543 --> 00:04:31,152 But you... You're an absolute star. 57 00:04:32,713 --> 00:04:34,586 Really are. 58 00:04:36,456 --> 00:04:39,020 Wow, he looks almost... mummified. 59 00:04:39,145 --> 00:04:41,301 Well, with the fridge unplugged and open... 60 00:04:41,426 --> 00:04:42,970 that's pretty much what's happened. 61 00:04:43,095 --> 00:04:44,900 Can we be sure it is Matthew? 62 00:04:45,025 --> 00:04:49,381 I'll be sending samples for DNA, obviously, but it is male... 63 00:04:49,506 --> 00:04:52,970 we have laryngeal prominence here, and a quick look at the teeth... 64 00:04:53,095 --> 00:04:54,691 certainly suggests the right age group. 65 00:04:54,816 --> 00:04:56,220 And you know what I'm gonna ask next? 66 00:04:56,345 --> 00:04:58,770 The answer is a cautious maybe. 67 00:04:58,895 --> 00:05:01,661 There's a depressed fracture over the temple here... 68 00:05:01,786 --> 00:05:04,461 which certainly has to be a contender for cause of death... 69 00:05:04,586 --> 00:05:08,461 but let me do an X-ray, open him up, and then let's see where we are. OK. 70 00:05:08,586 --> 00:05:12,331 And did Jay call you yet? -Jay? The forensic botanist? 71 00:05:12,456 --> 00:05:15,261 He's had some interesting results on the leaf material on the T-shirt. 72 00:05:15,386 --> 00:05:17,746 Er, no. -Anyway, he'll call you. 73 00:05:18,866 --> 00:05:21,661 So, Murray's had a quick squint through the mobile phone records. 74 00:05:21,786 --> 00:05:24,181 No indication that any of them are speaking to each other yet. 75 00:05:24,306 --> 00:05:26,051 Well, not on their regular phones, no. 76 00:05:26,176 --> 00:05:28,661 We are also looking into phone mast data. 77 00:05:28,786 --> 00:05:31,053 Cheers, Leanne. We'll speak later. 78 00:05:43,386 --> 00:05:45,941 Hi. DC Fran Lingley. 79 00:05:46,066 --> 00:05:47,051 Trying to trace a man... 80 00:05:47,176 --> 00:05:49,020 we believe may have stayed here a few years ago. 81 00:05:49,145 --> 00:05:53,079 Wondered if you had any records on him. Name of Clive Walsh. 82 00:05:53,536 --> 00:05:56,220 Also, I spoke to Hendon first thing. 83 00:05:56,345 --> 00:06:00,079 Trying to locate that intake's lead trainer for us. Yeah. 84 00:06:00,946 --> 00:06:05,261 I just think the more of a sense we can get of them as people... 85 00:06:05,386 --> 00:06:08,100 cos if this was a murder... 86 00:06:08,225 --> 00:06:09,741 that is just such an extraordinary thing... 87 00:06:09,866 --> 00:06:13,200 for five newbie coppers to have been involved with. 88 00:06:13,895 --> 00:06:16,962 That just doesn't come out of nowhere, does it? 89 00:06:17,345 --> 00:06:21,261 Er, yeah, OK. The last record we've got of Clive... 90 00:06:21,386 --> 00:06:25,900 he's been given a residential place just under two years ago... 91 00:06:26,025 --> 00:06:27,759 in a halfway house in Bow. 92 00:06:45,706 --> 00:06:47,106 Fiona? 93 00:06:48,386 --> 00:06:50,066 Lizzie. Hello. 94 00:06:52,636 --> 00:06:56,411 I have to search you, I'm afraid. -I'm sorry? 95 00:06:56,536 --> 00:06:58,900 I have to check you're not wearing a wire. 96 00:06:59,025 --> 00:07:01,381 Wearing...?. 97 00:07:01,506 --> 00:07:03,741 Jesus, Liz. What do you think of me? 98 00:07:03,866 --> 00:07:05,600 Or I'll walk away. -Liz. 99 00:07:06,636 --> 00:07:09,536 OK. OK. My God. 100 00:07:19,866 --> 00:07:21,533 I need to see your phone. 101 00:07:25,706 --> 00:07:29,373 I need to know you're not recording anything. Thank you. 102 00:07:40,145 --> 00:07:46,301 So... I presume they've spoken to you? The police? 103 00:07:46,426 --> 00:07:49,306 Yes. -But what have you said? 104 00:07:51,176 --> 00:07:54,331 I just told 'em the truth, Fiona. 105 00:07:54,456 --> 00:07:57,791 Like we agreed. I hope you did too. 106 00:07:57,916 --> 00:08:01,816 Fuck. No. Sorry. 107 00:08:02,946 --> 00:08:04,626 It was 30 years ago. 108 00:08:05,895 --> 00:08:07,829 What did you tell them, then? 109 00:08:09,145 --> 00:08:10,736 I told them... 110 00:08:12,095 --> 00:08:14,661 I was too drunk to remember anything. 111 00:08:14,786 --> 00:08:18,376 OK. Well, that can work for now. 112 00:08:19,536 --> 00:08:22,381 And if they interview you again... 113 00:08:22,506 --> 00:08:25,345 then the truth can slowly come back to you. 114 00:08:27,176 --> 00:08:28,986 Right. 115 00:08:32,275 --> 00:08:33,675 You remember it? 116 00:08:35,706 --> 00:08:37,791 Erm... 117 00:08:37,916 --> 00:08:42,275 after Rob got pulled, you drove the rest of us home... 118 00:08:44,225 --> 00:08:48,946 before taking his car back to his, which was near where you lived. 119 00:08:50,145 --> 00:08:52,469 And how did I get from Rob's to my flat? 120 00:08:52,594 --> 00:08:54,586 You walked? -Good. 121 00:08:59,015 --> 00:09:00,666 And, erm... 122 00:09:03,816 --> 00:09:06,350 what if they find out about the pub? 123 00:09:06,506 --> 00:09:08,181 They won't find out about the pub. 124 00:09:08,306 --> 00:09:12,581 They have no connection to us in the pub. No names, anywhere. 125 00:09:12,706 --> 00:09:15,301 They might find someone. That's what they do. You should know. 126 00:09:15,426 --> 00:09:20,160 What if they find out about the pub? They might find out about the rest. 127 00:09:22,536 --> 00:09:25,020 About what you did for me. 128 00:09:25,145 --> 00:09:27,545 They might find out about everything. 129 00:09:30,506 --> 00:09:33,265 I'm sorry. I can't... 130 00:09:35,506 --> 00:09:38,541 I can't just be cold and hard about it like you can. 131 00:09:38,666 --> 00:09:41,933 I'm trying to remain as dispassionate as possible. 132 00:09:42,506 --> 00:09:45,840 I think it's the most useful thing to do right now. 133 00:09:50,095 --> 00:09:51,495 I have to go. 134 00:09:53,225 --> 00:09:54,791 If you need to contact me... 135 00:09:54,916 --> 00:09:58,095 I've set up a Hotmail, Betty two-nine-zero-two. 136 00:10:07,626 --> 00:10:09,426 You're still beautiful, Fi. 137 00:10:11,066 --> 00:10:14,015 I hope your life has been happy. 138 00:10:23,816 --> 00:10:26,220 So, three weeks before Matthew Walsh goes missing... 139 00:10:26,345 --> 00:10:28,411 he was cautioned for an incident in a pub. 140 00:10:28,536 --> 00:10:30,611 A physical altercation with another drinker. 141 00:10:30,736 --> 00:10:33,321 Now, he wasn't charged, so it can't have been that serious... 142 00:10:33,446 --> 00:10:37,071 but the reason I mention it is cos of the pub it was in, The Ifield. 143 00:10:37,196 --> 00:10:39,271 What, our Ifield? -Hendon Lane. 144 00:10:39,396 --> 00:10:41,681 Now, pretty much everyone who trained at the academy... 145 00:10:41,806 --> 00:10:43,040 drank at The Ifield. 146 00:10:43,165 --> 00:10:44,841 So, I was thinking... 147 00:10:44,966 --> 00:10:47,401 What are the chances the ruck he had was with a probationer? 148 00:10:47,526 --> 00:10:51,681 Exactly. -Nice. I like that, Murray. 149 00:10:51,806 --> 00:10:55,196 I like that very much. 150 00:11:06,186 --> 00:11:09,875 Ian Henderson? DCI Cassie Stuart, DI Sunny Khan. 151 00:11:14,835 --> 00:11:16,781 Yeah, I trained all five of them. 152 00:11:16,906 --> 00:11:19,421 OK, can we start with Ram, then, please? 153 00:11:19,546 --> 00:11:21,421 Ram hasn't changed in 30 years. 154 00:11:21,546 --> 00:11:23,191 He was a cocky little runt back then... 155 00:11:23,316 --> 00:11:26,471 and from what I've heard, he's still a cocky little runt now. 156 00:11:26,596 --> 00:11:28,630 Used to play the race card at every opportunity. 157 00:11:28,755 --> 00:11:30,500 Still does, from what I hear. 158 00:11:30,625 --> 00:11:34,351 When you say, "Play the race card", what do you mean? 159 00:11:34,476 --> 00:11:36,551 Objects to being called a Paki on a daily basis? 160 00:11:36,676 --> 00:11:38,861 You come from Wales, you get called Taff, Scotland, Jock... 161 00:11:38,986 --> 00:11:39,991 it's the same difference. 162 00:11:40,116 --> 00:11:41,991 It isn't, but let's maybe not go there right now. 163 00:11:42,116 --> 00:11:45,671 So, aside from being cocky, what was he like as a person? 164 00:11:45,796 --> 00:11:46,911 Was he good copper material? 165 00:11:47,036 --> 00:11:49,781 Here's the deal. I always thought Ram would go right to the top... 166 00:11:49,906 --> 00:11:51,991 or end up in prison. -Prison? 167 00:11:52,116 --> 00:11:56,351 Listen, the lad was a smart boy, there's no doubt about that. 168 00:11:56,476 --> 00:12:00,410 He was ambitious, charismatic, very funny, people liked him. 169 00:12:01,236 --> 00:12:02,970 He was also fucking angry. 170 00:12:04,036 --> 00:12:06,500 He had a massive chip on his shoulder about his colour. 171 00:12:06,625 --> 00:12:08,911 You combine that with his risk-taking and his liking power... 172 00:12:09,036 --> 00:12:10,512 a bit much, well, it makes him dangerous. 173 00:12:10,637 --> 00:12:11,830 The proof of the pudding... 174 00:12:11,955 --> 00:12:14,471 you check his disciplinary record over the years, yeah? 175 00:12:14,596 --> 00:12:17,061 I mean, the guy obviously thought he was untouchable. 176 00:12:17,186 --> 00:12:19,987 And worse still, that he had a right to be. 177 00:12:20,396 --> 00:12:22,271 Now, personally, I think if he'd been white... 178 00:12:22,396 --> 00:12:23,750 he'd have been inside by now. 179 00:12:23,875 --> 00:12:26,151 So, you think he could have been capable of breaking the law. 180 00:12:26,276 --> 00:12:26,630 100%. 181 00:12:26,755 --> 00:12:30,421 Did you see anything, anything specific when you worked with him... 182 00:12:30,546 --> 00:12:33,146 that led you to this conclusion? -No. 183 00:12:34,516 --> 00:12:37,383 So, it's just a generalised prejudice, then? 184 00:12:37,906 --> 00:12:41,506 You wanted my opinion, I've given it ya. OK, moving on. 185 00:12:42,986 --> 00:12:44,580 Dean Barton. 186 00:12:44,705 --> 00:12:47,750 Deano. Well, Deano was the polar opposite. 187 00:12:47,875 --> 00:12:50,471 One of the most instinctive coppers I ever trained. 188 00:12:50,596 --> 00:12:54,061 Fast-thinking, very analytical brain, great team player. 189 00:12:54,186 --> 00:12:55,941 OK, so... -Hello, mate. 190 00:12:56,066 --> 00:12:58,391 All right, Ram. -Dean told me that he left... 191 00:12:58,516 --> 00:13:01,991 because he didn't think he was a team player. 192 00:13:02,116 --> 00:13:03,500 All right, let me rephrase that. 193 00:13:03,625 --> 00:13:05,700 On the job, he worked well alongside the others, yeah? 194 00:13:05,825 --> 00:13:09,941 But, er, yeah, socially, yeah, I'd agree with you. 195 00:13:10,066 --> 00:13:14,141 Yeah, he was a loner. Very private. Secretive, almost. 196 00:13:14,266 --> 00:13:16,750 But honest? You trusted him? 197 00:13:16,875 --> 00:13:19,236 Deano? He was a straight as a die. 198 00:13:22,825 --> 00:13:25,141 So, tell me about Liz Baildon. 199 00:13:25,266 --> 00:13:28,700 Unsurprisingly, a natural. Yeah, the Prof, we used to call her. 200 00:13:28,825 --> 00:13:32,141 Great under pressure, very level-headed. 201 00:13:32,266 --> 00:13:34,111 She's a great team leader. 202 00:13:34,236 --> 00:13:36,471 She had a way of motivating people effortlessly. 203 00:13:36,596 --> 00:13:37,911 And was she out then? 204 00:13:38,036 --> 00:13:39,941 No, the climate was different to today. 205 00:13:40,066 --> 00:13:41,950 It wasn't as easy to admit you were gay. 206 00:13:42,075 --> 00:13:44,111 So, no relationships that you remember? 207 00:13:44,236 --> 00:13:45,111 Well, not in an open sense... 208 00:13:45,236 --> 00:13:47,291 but she was as thick as thieves with one girl. 209 00:13:47,416 --> 00:13:49,011 Who was that? 210 00:13:49,136 --> 00:13:50,801 Your fourth name. -Fiona Grayson? 211 00:13:50,926 --> 00:13:53,081 Yeah, or the Wet Blanket, as we used to call her. 212 00:13:53,206 --> 00:13:55,131 Literally no idea what she was doing there. 213 00:13:55,256 --> 00:13:57,081 I mean, she was a perfectly capable lady... 214 00:13:57,206 --> 00:13:59,011 but she clearly hated the whole set-up... 215 00:13:59,136 --> 00:14:01,520 and I wasn't surprised when I heard she'd quit. 216 00:14:01,645 --> 00:14:04,441 OK, and finally, Rob Fogerty. 217 00:14:04,566 --> 00:14:07,081 Yeah, I liked Rob. Nice guy. 218 00:14:07,206 --> 00:14:09,522 A little sorry for him when I heard he got chucked off, but... 219 00:14:09,647 --> 00:14:11,850 well, it didn't surprise me. He's not the sharpest knife. 220 00:14:11,975 --> 00:14:14,354 And he was a big guy. Was there any violence in him? 221 00:14:14,479 --> 00:14:15,361 No, the opposite. 222 00:14:15,486 --> 00:14:17,881 I really had to push him when we did restraint training. 223 00:14:18,006 --> 00:14:19,691 No, there was nothing violent in Rob. 224 00:14:19,816 --> 00:14:21,011 No, he's a real gentle giant. 225 00:14:21,136 --> 00:14:23,211 Can you think of anything else connected to any of them... 226 00:14:23,336 --> 00:14:24,291 that sticks in your mind? 227 00:14:24,416 --> 00:14:27,016 Anything you haven't already touched on? 228 00:14:27,725 --> 00:14:29,801 You know, the five of them, they formed a little gang. 229 00:14:29,926 --> 00:14:31,271 I was never quite sure what it was. 230 00:14:31,396 --> 00:14:33,630 I mean, they all came from very different backgrounds... 231 00:14:33,755 --> 00:14:35,991 they have very different personalities, but... 232 00:14:36,116 --> 00:14:38,383 there was some sort of connection. 233 00:14:38,906 --> 00:14:40,700 Then, on the day of the passing-out parade... 234 00:14:40,825 --> 00:14:42,311 I think I saw what it was. 235 00:14:42,436 --> 00:14:46,191 What? Not one of them had a guest. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Right? 236 00:14:46,316 --> 00:14:47,941 I mean, everyone has guests, haven't they? 237 00:14:48,066 --> 00:14:52,200 Mums, dads, siblings, friends, someone, but no... no, not them. 238 00:14:54,156 --> 00:14:57,090 And I think that's what their connection was. 239 00:14:58,635 --> 00:15:00,102 For whatever reason... 240 00:15:02,166 --> 00:15:04,166 they were out on their own. 241 00:15:05,606 --> 00:15:07,681 Are you gonna be able to find stuff out, do you think? 242 00:15:07,806 --> 00:15:11,321 If it moves forward, keep us ahead of the game? I'll do what I can. 243 00:15:11,446 --> 00:15:13,510 But obviously, if they start looking at us closely... 244 00:15:13,635 --> 00:15:15,351 they'll be looking at me closely, so... 245 00:15:15,476 --> 00:15:18,216 Bottom line, we stick to the truth, you know. We'll be fine. 246 00:15:18,341 --> 00:15:19,741 We hope. 247 00:15:21,916 --> 00:15:23,650 So, I've got to go, fella. 248 00:15:25,246 --> 00:15:27,281 That business the other day, all went all right? 249 00:15:27,406 --> 00:15:29,231 Yeah. Yeah, it was fine. 250 00:15:29,356 --> 00:15:33,201 Thanks for helping out at short notice. Last time, yeah. 251 00:15:33,326 --> 00:15:37,126 I've moved on now. -Absolutely, me too. It's a one-off. 252 00:15:39,046 --> 00:15:42,313 You look after yourself, buddy. -Yeah, and you. 253 00:16:04,326 --> 00:16:05,885 Hello, is it Clive? 254 00:16:06,010 --> 00:16:08,041 Yes. -Hello, Clive. 255 00:16:08,166 --> 00:16:10,121 My name is DC Fran Lingley... 256 00:16:10,246 --> 00:16:13,806 and I have some news about your brother, Matthew. 257 00:16:15,606 --> 00:16:16,791 Sweet cicely? 258 00:16:16,916 --> 00:16:19,371 Yes, so it's native to the north, which means... 259 00:16:19,496 --> 00:16:22,091 you're very unlikely to find it growing wild down here. 260 00:16:22,216 --> 00:16:25,481 OK. 'So, within the rough area he was last seen in... 261 00:16:25,606 --> 00:16:26,791 I'd be looking for... 262 00:16:26,916 --> 00:16:28,561 vegetable plots in gardens, or... 263 00:16:28,686 --> 00:16:31,791 and for me this is the most likely scenario, an allotment. 264 00:16:31,916 --> 00:16:34,321 Right. Thank you. 265 00:16:34,446 --> 00:16:36,544 And he is happy to come here? -Yes, he is. 266 00:16:36,669 --> 00:16:37,321 OK. 267 00:16:37,446 --> 00:16:39,430 We're on our way back. Be there in about 20. 268 00:16:39,555 --> 00:16:40,955 OK, see you then. 269 00:16:43,326 --> 00:16:45,446 OK, Clive. Shall we get going? 270 00:16:48,765 --> 00:16:52,351 Fran's found the brother. -Whose brother? Matthew Walsh's. 271 00:16:52,476 --> 00:16:55,351 Turns out he was with Matthew the night he disappeared. No. 272 00:16:55,476 --> 00:16:58,630 He was having a pee in the bushes when the car pulled up. 273 00:16:58,755 --> 00:17:01,046 He saw everything. 274 00:17:05,635 --> 00:17:09,710 Yeah. I remember the case, because of his colour. 275 00:17:09,835 --> 00:17:11,401 Whose colour? 276 00:17:11,526 --> 00:17:13,431 The probationer involved in the altercation. 277 00:17:13,556 --> 00:17:17,710 So, you receive details that Walsh made a pass at a woman... 278 00:17:17,835 --> 00:17:19,071 Who was also a probie, I think. 279 00:17:19,196 --> 00:17:21,351 ...and she blanked him, and he got a bit lairy, 280 00:17:21,476 --> 00:17:23,601 and then a lad she was having a drink with intervened, 281 00:17:23,726 --> 00:17:25,041 and that's when it all kicked off? 282 00:17:25,166 --> 00:17:28,321 After Walsh made racially abusive remarks, I think. 283 00:17:28,446 --> 00:17:30,321 And I'm assuming it was just a bit of handbags... 284 00:17:30,446 --> 00:17:32,510 because Walsh only got cautioned? -No, not at all. 285 00:17:32,635 --> 00:17:36,071 Walsh actually gave the lad a bit of a kicking. So... 286 00:17:36,196 --> 00:17:39,930 So, he was let off, because my sergeant wanted it buried. 287 00:17:41,446 --> 00:17:44,061 If Walsh had been charged, there would have been a court case... 288 00:17:44,186 --> 00:17:47,586 and the probationer would have got in trouble and... 289 00:17:47,726 --> 00:17:50,121 Obviously, we'd just started recruiting ethnic minorities... 290 00:17:50,246 --> 00:17:51,991 so it wouldn't have played out well for anyone. 291 00:17:52,116 --> 00:17:55,510 So, the fact there's no other names in this report, apart from Walsh's... 292 00:17:55,635 --> 00:17:56,630 that was deliberate? 293 00:17:56,755 --> 00:17:58,840 I didn't write this report, my sergeant did... 294 00:17:58,965 --> 00:18:01,565 and he's been dead ten years, but, yeah. 295 00:18:02,606 --> 00:18:06,991 I'm guessing he was protecting the witnesses... 296 00:18:07,116 --> 00:18:10,835 the girl, and very particularly, the Asian lad. 297 00:18:13,196 --> 00:18:14,840 And as we were walking across Napley Green... 298 00:18:14,965 --> 00:18:18,166 I decided to duck into the bush for a pee. 299 00:18:19,326 --> 00:18:23,481 Just as I did, I heard a shout, "Oi. Walshy boy." 300 00:18:23,606 --> 00:18:28,630 I turned, and I saw this car about 50 yards away... 301 00:18:28,755 --> 00:18:30,991 with a bloke getting out the front passenger seat... 302 00:18:31,116 --> 00:18:32,630 and he was just running at Matty. 303 00:18:32,755 --> 00:18:35,089 And do you remember what he looked like? 304 00:18:35,214 --> 00:18:36,201 Asian guy. 305 00:18:36,326 --> 00:18:37,431 And what did your brother do? 306 00:18:37,556 --> 00:18:40,431 Well, he looked pretty useful and angry... 307 00:18:40,556 --> 00:18:44,431 and there was others in the car, so he just ran. 308 00:18:44,556 --> 00:18:48,681 And I had just a second or two to decide, you know... 309 00:18:48,806 --> 00:18:52,991 show him that there was two of us, make him think twice, maybe? 310 00:18:53,116 --> 00:18:58,085 I've never had a fight in my life, so I ducked down... 311 00:19:00,326 --> 00:19:01,726 and I hid. 312 00:19:04,166 --> 00:19:06,481 And then, the driver got out. 313 00:19:06,606 --> 00:19:11,166 Tall fella, ran off in the direction of the others. 314 00:19:12,686 --> 00:19:14,760 And then about 30 seconds later, the third man. 315 00:19:14,885 --> 00:19:17,952 I could still see two others in the back seats. 316 00:19:18,246 --> 00:19:20,991 After about five minutes, they got out as well... 317 00:19:21,116 --> 00:19:25,516 and they were all quickly off in the direction the others had gone. 318 00:19:28,755 --> 00:19:32,201 But these two were women. 319 00:19:32,326 --> 00:19:34,481 And that was it. 320 00:19:34,606 --> 00:19:39,246 I never saw them, or my brother, again. 321 00:19:41,085 --> 00:19:44,681 Why did you never say anything about this at the time? 322 00:19:44,806 --> 00:19:48,351 I had a job. In Cyprus, in a club. 323 00:19:48,476 --> 00:19:50,351 I had to fly out the next day to start... 324 00:19:50,476 --> 00:19:52,710 but this was before mobile phones... 325 00:19:52,835 --> 00:19:56,321 so I didn't even hear that he was missing for weeks... 326 00:19:56,446 --> 00:20:01,121 and when I did get back, early June, pretty much everyone just reckoned... 327 00:20:01,246 --> 00:20:04,871 he was lying low, because of the warrants that was out for him. 328 00:20:04,996 --> 00:20:08,476 Everyone reckoned he'd just turn up one day. 329 00:20:12,196 --> 00:20:15,246 Except me, because in my gut... 330 00:20:16,835 --> 00:20:19,726 I think I knew that he died that night. 331 00:20:24,396 --> 00:20:27,630 And the reason I never said anything... 332 00:20:27,755 --> 00:20:31,910 that's because I did not want anyone to know... 333 00:20:32,035 --> 00:20:36,286 what a snivelling gutless coward I was. 334 00:20:39,816 --> 00:20:41,216 Thank you. 335 00:20:48,256 --> 00:20:51,361 OK. So, we now know for sure that they all got out. 336 00:20:51,486 --> 00:20:53,331 And in pursuit of the victim. -Exactly. 337 00:20:53,456 --> 00:20:55,081 Which means, as far as I'm concerned... 338 00:20:55,206 --> 00:20:58,286 they're definitely all in the frame now. 339 00:21:11,984 --> 00:21:14,498 So here is an allotment... 340 00:21:14,623 --> 00:21:18,809 and if we draw a line up from where the car stopped... 341 00:21:18,934 --> 00:21:23,368 up here... up here... 342 00:21:23,493 --> 00:21:27,609 and ending somewhere in the allotment... 343 00:21:27,734 --> 00:21:30,449 it fits very well with the various witness statement sightings... 344 00:21:30,574 --> 00:21:32,659 at the chase. -And if we can identify where exactly... 345 00:21:32,784 --> 00:21:34,659 on the allotment this plant might've grown... 346 00:21:34,784 --> 00:21:36,859 we might find his actual place of death. 347 00:21:36,984 --> 00:21:38,089 I mean, my guess is... 348 00:21:38,214 --> 00:21:41,329 Look, it would had to have been near the road to pull the car up to. 349 00:21:41,454 --> 00:21:43,368 Maybe we can even get some boards up. 350 00:21:43,493 --> 00:21:46,089 Might trigger some more memories. -Yeah, absolutely. 351 00:21:46,214 --> 00:21:48,089 OK, very good. Thank you. Caz? 352 00:21:48,214 --> 00:21:50,729 The only concrete thing I have is on Fiona Grayson. 353 00:21:50,854 --> 00:21:53,388 A 1993 dangerous driving conviction. 354 00:21:53,513 --> 00:21:55,188 Trying to get the original files. -OK. 355 00:21:55,313 --> 00:21:58,168 But nothing on Elizabeth Baildon and nothing on... 356 00:21:58,293 --> 00:22:00,859 well, apart from his internal disciplinary record... 357 00:22:00,984 --> 00:22:02,809 on Ramjeet Sidhu. -Which we're looking into. 358 00:22:02,934 --> 00:22:05,009 Yep. And Dean Barton, no criminal record. 359 00:22:05,134 --> 00:22:08,009 Although I am having trouble finding a couple of basic documents. 360 00:22:08,134 --> 00:22:09,729 I can't find his birth certificate... 361 00:22:09,854 --> 00:22:12,418 and I can't find him on the census pre '91. OK. 362 00:22:12,543 --> 00:22:14,859 And something else just to feed in as background... 363 00:22:14,984 --> 00:22:18,889 all five of them had no guests at their passing-out parade. 364 00:22:19,014 --> 00:22:22,009 No family, no friends. No nothing. 365 00:22:22,134 --> 00:22:24,939 Yeah. It's one to mull on, maybe. 366 00:22:25,064 --> 00:22:28,089 And definitely a picture starting to emerge of Ram Sidhu... 367 00:22:28,214 --> 00:22:30,498 being a person who pushed the envelope, even back then. 368 00:22:30,623 --> 00:22:33,418 We know he was probably first out the car... 369 00:22:33,543 --> 00:22:37,659 so was probably the most likely to catch up with Matthew first... 370 00:22:37,784 --> 00:22:39,904 and then, this afternoon... 371 00:22:41,014 --> 00:22:42,498 Murray slightly struck gold. 372 00:22:42,623 --> 00:22:45,089 So, three weeks before Matthew disappeared... 373 00:22:45,214 --> 00:22:48,809 we've got pretty good evidence to suggest that in a pub in Hendon... 374 00:22:48,934 --> 00:22:51,498 he committed an ABH on Ram Sidhu. 375 00:22:51,623 --> 00:22:53,298 No. -The fight was over a girl. 376 00:22:53,423 --> 00:22:55,899 No names in the arrest sheet, but we know our suspects were a gang... 377 00:22:56,024 --> 00:22:59,288 so there's a fair chance they were all drinking together that night... 378 00:22:59,413 --> 00:23:01,808 and the girl was even Fiona Grayson or Liz Baildon. 379 00:23:01,933 --> 00:23:04,447 For various reasons, Walsh only got a caution... 380 00:23:04,572 --> 00:23:09,117 and Murray's trying to track down Susie Montgomery, the landlady. 381 00:23:09,242 --> 00:23:11,317 But I think, alongside opportunity... 382 00:23:11,442 --> 00:23:15,642 fairly reasonable now to suggest we also have a possible motive. 383 00:23:16,683 --> 00:23:20,988 Albeit one that for whatever reason seems to have escalated... 384 00:23:21,113 --> 00:23:23,633 from a reciprocal slap to something... 385 00:23:24,833 --> 00:23:28,147 far more violent and involving four other people. 386 00:23:28,272 --> 00:23:30,948 So, I think we pull Sidhu in now, confront him with this... 387 00:23:31,073 --> 00:23:33,633 and see what we get. Thank you, guys. 388 00:23:47,633 --> 00:23:49,708 You don't think we should wait till Murray finds out... 389 00:23:49,833 --> 00:23:52,147 if Montgomery's still around? I mean, if she can ID Sidhu... 390 00:23:52,272 --> 00:23:54,198 or any one of the women... -What are the chances? 391 00:23:54,323 --> 00:23:57,227 I mean, I was drinking in The Ifield just a few months later... 392 00:23:57,352 --> 00:23:59,758 and she was about 500 years old. 393 00:23:59,883 --> 00:24:03,883 So, no. Let's get him in now, please. 394 00:24:05,602 --> 00:24:07,002 Sure. 395 00:24:38,963 --> 00:24:40,198 Hiya. -Hi. 396 00:24:40,323 --> 00:24:42,147 This is a nice surprise. Were you up anyway...? 397 00:24:42,272 --> 00:24:43,838 No, no, here on a whim. 398 00:24:43,963 --> 00:24:46,628 I thought, if you had half an hour, maybe we could just... 399 00:24:46,753 --> 00:24:48,918 Love, no, I haven't got half an hour. 400 00:24:49,043 --> 00:24:50,558 OK, ten minutes? 401 00:24:50,683 --> 00:24:52,472 How about five? 402 00:24:54,323 --> 00:24:57,428 I don't generally take lunch. If you'd booked me last week or... 403 00:24:57,553 --> 00:24:59,789 "Booked you"? Well, OK. -Sorry, I don't mean that like... 404 00:24:59,914 --> 00:25:01,708 No, no, no, it doesn't matter, it's fine. 405 00:25:01,833 --> 00:25:03,397 OK, I'll be quick, then. 406 00:25:03,522 --> 00:25:05,588 So, erm, I went into all the agencies near mine... 407 00:25:05,713 --> 00:25:07,589 got a list of all the properties within our range... 408 00:25:07,714 --> 00:25:09,508 that way we can get an idea of what we're after... 409 00:25:09,633 --> 00:25:12,948 so, why don't you take a look and we can discuss later? 410 00:25:14,883 --> 00:25:19,198 Perfect. Thank you so much for doing that. 411 00:25:19,323 --> 00:25:21,038 Yeah, yeah, no problem. 412 00:25:21,163 --> 00:25:23,227 So have you spoken to your dad again? 413 00:25:23,352 --> 00:25:25,678 Er, not since Eddie took him out, no. 414 00:25:25,803 --> 00:25:28,318 I spoke to a lawyer, though. -A lawyer? 415 00:25:28,443 --> 00:25:30,843 Yeah. Only from work, mate of a mate. 416 00:25:32,163 --> 00:25:34,426 I just wanted the top line on our rights. 417 00:25:34,551 --> 00:25:35,951 Cass... 418 00:25:36,522 --> 00:25:38,588 I mean, listen, it's your life, but... 419 00:25:38,713 --> 00:25:40,428 I don't think a lawyer is the way to go. 420 00:25:40,553 --> 00:25:42,620 Yeah, I know, I know, I just... 421 00:25:45,352 --> 00:25:48,708 F... fuck, I can't lose this anger, John. 422 00:25:48,833 --> 00:25:50,300 I wish I could, but... 423 00:25:51,472 --> 00:25:55,558 On top of everything else, that woman, she's just... she... 424 00:25:55,683 --> 00:25:58,317 Yeah, I know. I get that. I do, but... 425 00:25:58,442 --> 00:26:01,528 Please don't tell either of them you've spoken to a lawyer... 426 00:26:01,653 --> 00:26:05,120 because that'll just... -Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. 427 00:26:06,322 --> 00:26:07,773 I've got to go. 428 00:26:08,963 --> 00:26:13,197 I'll look at these later. And, erm... it's a nice idea. 429 00:26:13,322 --> 00:26:14,758 And next week, hopefully I'll be freer... 430 00:26:14,883 --> 00:26:16,088 and then let's do it properly. 431 00:26:16,213 --> 00:26:19,080 Yeah, I'll book you in Ha. Piss off. 432 00:26:26,003 --> 00:26:27,403 Hey. 433 00:26:33,242 --> 00:26:36,117 Been trying to get hold of you. Claire had no idea where you were. 434 00:26:36,242 --> 00:26:37,648 Well, I was at the meeting, why? 435 00:26:37,773 --> 00:26:41,008 Jack's temperature's gone up to 101. -No. 436 00:26:41,133 --> 00:26:43,728 Do you think it's another infection? -I dunno. 437 00:26:43,853 --> 00:26:47,367 But his chest sounds dreadful, so... so I've called the GP. 438 00:26:47,492 --> 00:26:50,026 All right, I'll... I'll go and see him. 439 00:26:51,572 --> 00:26:54,772 You never told me the police had interviewed you. 440 00:27:00,853 --> 00:27:03,008 Yeah, Claire made some joke about you being banged up... 441 00:27:03,133 --> 00:27:05,293 when I asked her where you were. 442 00:27:06,653 --> 00:27:09,168 Apparently, a detective came to the office the other day? 443 00:27:09,293 --> 00:27:11,360 Yeah, I didn't wanna worry you. 444 00:27:12,053 --> 00:27:13,453 What was it about? 445 00:27:18,133 --> 00:27:19,533 Not that. 446 00:27:20,523 --> 00:27:22,293 No? -No. 447 00:27:23,883 --> 00:27:28,350 There's nothing that's ever gonna be able to connect us to that now. 448 00:27:29,523 --> 00:27:31,133 Promise. 449 00:27:33,242 --> 00:27:36,758 So what was it about? -Just some weird... 450 00:27:36,883 --> 00:27:39,758 historical case, some 30-year-old murder. 451 00:27:39,883 --> 00:27:42,008 They thought I might've known one of the suspects. 452 00:27:42,133 --> 00:27:44,288 Jesus. Did you? 453 00:27:44,413 --> 00:27:45,558 No, of course not. 454 00:27:45,683 --> 00:27:49,133 The interview lasted five minutes, it's fine. 455 00:27:50,242 --> 00:27:52,376 I'm gonna go up and see the lad. 456 00:28:02,853 --> 00:28:04,808 30th March 1990. 457 00:28:04,933 --> 00:28:06,849 The day of your passing-out parade. You remember it? 458 00:28:06,974 --> 00:28:07,958 Of course. 459 00:28:08,083 --> 00:28:10,242 Good day? -Lovely. 460 00:28:11,413 --> 00:28:13,928 Proud of your achievement? -Very. 461 00:28:14,053 --> 00:28:17,387 So why no family there? To share your day with you. 462 00:28:19,053 --> 00:28:22,288 Er, because I was supposed to be a doctor or a lawyer or... 463 00:28:22,413 --> 00:28:24,447 go into the family business, apparently. 464 00:28:24,572 --> 00:28:25,758 And how did that make you feel... 465 00:28:25,883 --> 00:28:28,038 that no-one came to celebrate with you? 466 00:28:28,163 --> 00:28:32,447 Sad, but I knew they'd come round, which they did, I think. 467 00:28:32,572 --> 00:28:34,506 They're very proud of me now. 468 00:28:35,723 --> 00:28:39,168 You went to a party that night. -Yeah. 469 00:28:39,293 --> 00:28:42,133 Erm, do you remember who you went with? 470 00:28:42,258 --> 00:28:42,958 No. 471 00:28:43,083 --> 00:28:47,447 Or what time you left? -30 years later? No, sorry. 472 00:28:47,572 --> 00:28:50,373 OK. Erm, do you remember who you left with? 473 00:28:51,133 --> 00:28:54,598 A couple of them, yeah. -OK, who was that? 474 00:28:54,723 --> 00:28:58,492 Rob and Liz - Fogerty and Baildon. -OK. 475 00:29:00,933 --> 00:29:02,367 Well, completely understandably... 476 00:29:02,492 --> 00:29:05,928 you couldn't remember who you went with, but, er... 477 00:29:06,053 --> 00:29:07,598 quickly remembered who you left with. 478 00:29:07,723 --> 00:29:10,648 Is there a reason that those names have stuck in your mind? 479 00:29:10,773 --> 00:29:13,038 Because of something that happened that night. 480 00:29:13,163 --> 00:29:15,008 What was that? 481 00:29:15,133 --> 00:29:16,878 Er, so... 482 00:29:17,003 --> 00:29:21,088 Rob, who was our designated driver... 483 00:29:21,213 --> 00:29:22,478 unbeknownst to any of us... 484 00:29:22,603 --> 00:29:24,928 had actually had a few drinks that night. 485 00:29:25,053 --> 00:29:27,288 Dumb luck on the way back into town, he got pulled over... 486 00:29:27,413 --> 00:29:29,117 by the traffic cop, he was breathalysed... 487 00:29:29,242 --> 00:29:31,963 was over the limit and... he was nicked. 488 00:29:33,083 --> 00:29:34,808 Ended his career before it even started. 489 00:29:34,933 --> 00:29:36,478 So he got nicked, he got taken away... 490 00:29:36,603 --> 00:29:38,650 how did you then get home after that? 491 00:29:38,775 --> 00:29:40,175 I think... 492 00:29:40,963 --> 00:29:44,363 Lizzie was allowed to drive Rob's car, I think... 493 00:29:44,853 --> 00:29:47,158 she dropped us off in town first... 494 00:29:47,283 --> 00:29:49,648 and then dropped Rob's car at his house. 495 00:29:49,773 --> 00:29:52,838 And, erm... you still see Liz Baildon? 496 00:29:52,963 --> 00:29:55,478 No. I mean, at the odd police event, but no more than that. 497 00:29:55,603 --> 00:29:58,210 Have you discussed this with her over the past few days? 498 00:29:58,335 --> 00:29:59,735 No. 499 00:30:00,572 --> 00:30:04,963 OK. Because your recollections are... pretty much identical. 500 00:30:06,242 --> 00:30:09,158 Yeah. It's what happened, so... 501 00:30:09,283 --> 00:30:11,447 And you don't remember any of the people in the car? 502 00:30:11,572 --> 00:30:13,038 No. 503 00:30:13,163 --> 00:30:15,883 Dean Barton? Fiona Grayson? 504 00:30:17,283 --> 00:30:18,853 I'm sorry. 505 00:30:20,053 --> 00:30:22,317 And when the car was stopped by the police officer... 506 00:30:22,442 --> 00:30:25,728 was that the first time that journey that it had stopped? 507 00:30:25,853 --> 00:30:27,963 Yeah. -OK. 508 00:30:30,492 --> 00:30:33,518 So, I'm gonna show you a photo of a man now. 509 00:30:33,643 --> 00:30:37,808 The victim in this investigation, in fact. Name of Matthew Walsh. 510 00:30:37,933 --> 00:30:40,478 And I'd just like to know if his face... 511 00:30:40,603 --> 00:30:42,603 is in any way familiar to you. 512 00:30:46,163 --> 00:30:47,563 No. 513 00:30:48,963 --> 00:30:50,497 Well, have a good look. 514 00:30:53,933 --> 00:30:55,333 No. 515 00:30:56,213 --> 00:30:58,038 OK. 516 00:30:58,163 --> 00:31:01,958 I ask because we have a witness who says he saw a car... 517 00:31:02,083 --> 00:31:05,288 with five people in it, one unusually tall man... 518 00:31:05,413 --> 00:31:08,518 two women and an Asian man pull up near a patch of ground... 519 00:31:08,643 --> 00:31:10,367 called Napley Green. 520 00:31:10,492 --> 00:31:12,237 Now, this is about a mile before... 521 00:31:12,362 --> 00:31:14,958 where you were pulled over by the traffic cop. 522 00:31:15,083 --> 00:31:17,317 And the witness says that one of the men... 523 00:31:17,442 --> 00:31:21,618 that matches your description, got out, calling, "Oi, Walshy boy." 524 00:31:21,743 --> 00:31:24,748 And then chased after the victim. -Ss... 525 00:31:24,873 --> 00:31:26,538 So, is your witness white? 526 00:31:26,663 --> 00:31:28,137 What does that have to do with anything? 527 00:31:28,262 --> 00:31:30,498 OK, I'm not being funny or anything, but to them... 528 00:31:30,623 --> 00:31:31,898 we do all slightly look the same. 529 00:31:32,023 --> 00:31:34,418 So you don't recognise this event? 530 00:31:34,543 --> 00:31:38,108 You don't recognise the name, Matthew Walsh, or indeed his face? 531 00:31:38,233 --> 00:31:39,818 In fact, none of this rings any bells? 532 00:31:39,943 --> 00:31:41,462 No, I'm sorry. -OK. 533 00:31:42,592 --> 00:31:46,028 So, I think that you know perfectly well who Matthew Walsh is... 534 00:31:46,153 --> 00:31:47,108 and I think you know him... 535 00:31:47,233 --> 00:31:49,308 because only three weeks before this incident... 536 00:31:49,433 --> 00:31:51,349 I think you had a racially instigated fight with him... 537 00:31:51,474 --> 00:31:54,308 in a pub in Hendon. What evidence have you got for this allegation? 538 00:31:54,433 --> 00:31:56,698 This was in The Ifield. -Yeah. What evidence? 539 00:31:56,823 --> 00:31:58,538 Did you used to drink in there? 540 00:31:58,663 --> 00:32:01,623 Listen... 541 00:32:02,823 --> 00:32:06,498 I don't know where you're coming from with all this, but... 542 00:32:06,623 --> 00:32:08,538 I'll give you the benefit of the doubt... 543 00:32:08,663 --> 00:32:11,108 and assume it's not from the same place as 90% of the crap 544 00:32:11,233 --> 00:32:13,833 I have to deal with comes from... but... 545 00:32:16,623 --> 00:32:18,290 you have nothing here. 546 00:32:18,983 --> 00:32:22,948 I mean, a witness comes out of the woodwork 30 years after the event... 547 00:32:23,073 --> 00:32:25,137 and says he saw an Asian guy get out of a car... 548 00:32:25,262 --> 00:32:27,387 and then a random Paki in a pub? 549 00:32:27,512 --> 00:32:28,983 Are you serious? 550 00:32:32,623 --> 00:32:35,290 Sorry, guys, but I think we're done here. 551 00:32:46,623 --> 00:32:47,818 Don't, just... 552 00:32:47,943 --> 00:32:50,257 I just think we need to slow down, boss. 553 00:32:50,382 --> 00:32:52,262 I just want it over. 554 00:32:53,623 --> 00:32:55,290 I shouldn't even be here. 555 00:33:13,823 --> 00:33:17,108 So I heard her, the other day. 556 00:33:17,233 --> 00:33:19,623 The police officer with you. 557 00:33:20,873 --> 00:33:22,382 I'm sorry? -Me too. 558 00:33:23,582 --> 00:33:25,582 That I have to resort to this. 559 00:33:27,073 --> 00:33:29,473 You should've been better, Elizabeth. 560 00:33:31,183 --> 00:33:33,023 I'm sorry, Eugenia. 561 00:33:34,623 --> 00:33:37,538 I have no idea what you're talking about. 562 00:33:37,663 --> 00:33:40,818 I'm not a greedy person. I don't want luxuries. 563 00:33:40,943 --> 00:33:44,308 But I do want to be able to heat our flat... 564 00:33:44,433 --> 00:33:47,858 to feed my child properly, and once in a while... 565 00:33:47,983 --> 00:33:51,743 very rarely, buy her a pretty dress from Primark. 566 00:33:53,233 --> 00:33:56,748 So, really, not a lot. And a fraction of what you have. 567 00:33:56,873 --> 00:33:59,137 But still, apparently, too much for you. 568 00:33:59,262 --> 00:34:02,623 No, I didn't say that. -?287. 569 00:34:03,712 --> 00:34:07,663 My overdue gas bill. And ?9 an hour. 570 00:34:10,103 --> 00:34:13,228 That's what I'm blackmailing you for. 571 00:34:13,353 --> 00:34:15,178 Which sounds pathetic. 572 00:34:15,303 --> 00:34:16,703 Even to me. 573 00:34:17,663 --> 00:34:20,098 But if you don't give me this, I will tell the police... 574 00:34:20,223 --> 00:34:21,890 what your mother told me. 575 00:34:23,223 --> 00:34:25,157 Which I don't think you want. 576 00:34:26,943 --> 00:34:28,343 So... 577 00:34:29,153 --> 00:34:31,457 have a think and then maybe... 578 00:34:31,582 --> 00:34:35,353 No, I don't have to have a think. You can have it. 579 00:34:52,712 --> 00:34:54,112 Hey. 580 00:35:01,712 --> 00:35:03,457 I just had a call from my brother. 581 00:35:03,582 --> 00:35:06,418 He said he could not, in all conscience... 582 00:35:06,543 --> 00:35:09,178 keep what you told him from me. 583 00:35:09,303 --> 00:35:14,058 And so, I was just wondering... if you had a conscience. 584 00:35:14,183 --> 00:35:17,698 I was just wondering if you felt you could maybe give your partner... 585 00:35:17,823 --> 00:35:21,290 a bit of a heads up as to what the fuck was going on. 586 00:35:35,382 --> 00:35:37,663 27 years ago... 587 00:35:41,863 --> 00:35:43,263 ...I killed a child. 588 00:35:53,227 --> 00:35:57,588 They said I was speeding. Doing 42 in a 30-mile area. 589 00:35:58,818 --> 00:36:01,538 And I lost control going round a corner. 590 00:36:03,028 --> 00:36:06,628 I actually think she was on the wrong side of the road. 591 00:36:07,097 --> 00:36:09,977 Either way... we collided. 592 00:36:11,128 --> 00:36:13,493 And there was a toddler in the back. 593 00:36:13,618 --> 00:36:15,018 In a car seat. 594 00:36:16,057 --> 00:36:17,924 It wasn't properly fastened. 595 00:36:19,338 --> 00:36:20,738 And he died. 596 00:36:22,057 --> 00:36:23,457 The little boy. 597 00:36:24,588 --> 00:36:29,418 And I received a conviction for death by dangerous driving. 598 00:36:32,778 --> 00:36:36,852 How... how could you never have told me this? 599 00:36:36,977 --> 00:36:39,458 I know, I'm so, so, so sorry. 600 00:36:42,378 --> 00:36:45,698 Was it your fault? -I don't think so. 601 00:36:47,698 --> 00:36:50,232 But I'm not sure I'll ever really know. 602 00:36:52,818 --> 00:36:55,018 I'm just stunned, Fi, that you... 603 00:36:56,128 --> 00:37:01,613 felt you could keep something so significant from me for 17 years... 604 00:37:01,738 --> 00:37:03,543 how do you do that? 605 00:37:03,668 --> 00:37:06,588 How do you do that and stay sane? I mean... 606 00:37:09,177 --> 00:37:12,177 is there anything else you need to tell me? 607 00:37:13,588 --> 00:37:15,307 No. That's it. 608 00:37:21,488 --> 00:37:24,898 If we lose our deposit... I swear, Fiona... 609 00:37:32,868 --> 00:37:35,363 I mean, what do people want the police to be? 610 00:37:37,948 --> 00:37:40,003 Do they want us to be like them... 611 00:37:40,128 --> 00:37:43,213 just normal human beings who will screw up... 612 00:37:43,338 --> 00:37:46,463 who will make mistakes? We all accept that. 613 00:37:46,588 --> 00:37:49,866 We all say sorry and move on, and that's the deal. 614 00:37:51,418 --> 00:37:53,852 Or do they want to believe that we're not the same... 615 00:37:53,977 --> 00:37:57,102 that we've got some kind of special powers that they don't? 616 00:37:57,227 --> 00:38:00,894 Cos, you know, that makes them feel safer in their beds. 617 00:38:02,977 --> 00:38:04,458 What do they want? 618 00:38:05,768 --> 00:38:08,643 Cos it's got to be one or the other. It can't be both. 619 00:38:08,768 --> 00:38:11,835 Mate, I can't even work the Apple remote, so... 620 00:38:22,057 --> 00:38:23,591 Hey, what's the matter? 621 00:38:24,948 --> 00:38:26,348 Hey, hey, hey. 622 00:38:28,898 --> 00:38:30,298 What's wrong, babe? 623 00:38:31,668 --> 00:38:33,535 Do you ever get angry, Dean? 624 00:38:34,977 --> 00:38:37,177 At Jack. -At Jack? 625 00:38:39,378 --> 00:38:43,312 Yeah, and I don't just mean for being naughty, I mean for... 626 00:38:44,508 --> 00:38:45,908 for being him. 627 00:38:47,898 --> 00:38:49,898 Erm, no. No. 628 00:38:53,818 --> 00:38:55,218 I do. 629 00:38:56,378 --> 00:38:58,588 Sometimes, not often, like... 630 00:39:00,458 --> 00:39:04,227 half a dozen times in his entire life, maybe I, erm... 631 00:39:08,227 --> 00:39:09,627 I blame him. 632 00:39:11,227 --> 00:39:14,258 I blame HIM, not his disability. 633 00:39:19,378 --> 00:39:22,003 For what I tell myself he's stolen from us. 634 00:39:22,128 --> 00:39:24,538 From you, from me. 635 00:39:25,173 --> 00:39:26,782 From Cass. -Marn... 636 00:39:26,907 --> 00:39:29,174 And I am telling you this, Dean... 637 00:39:31,307 --> 00:39:34,333 because I want you to know that I am not who you think I am. 638 00:39:34,458 --> 00:39:38,283 That part of me is just an awful person. 639 00:39:38,408 --> 00:39:42,533 But an awful person who, well, at least, I hope... 640 00:39:42,658 --> 00:39:45,823 despite what I have just told you, you still love. 641 00:39:45,948 --> 00:39:47,413 Of course. 642 00:39:47,538 --> 00:39:51,972 So, surely, surely, that means you can tell me stuff. 643 00:39:52,097 --> 00:39:53,538 About your past. 644 00:39:55,868 --> 00:39:58,535 And about your family - whoever they are. 645 00:40:00,618 --> 00:40:03,738 Things that maybe you think will make me... 646 00:40:04,898 --> 00:40:09,658 hate you or fear you or whatever, I dunno, because it just won't. 647 00:40:12,458 --> 00:40:15,823 But what is killing me is the secrets. 648 00:40:15,948 --> 00:40:18,538 The years of secrets. 649 00:40:19,768 --> 00:40:24,977 Of writing a Mother's Day card to a mother you told me had died. 650 00:40:26,408 --> 00:40:27,893 Going to Calais when we were supposed... 651 00:40:28,018 --> 00:40:29,613 to have given up all that crap years ago. 652 00:40:29,738 --> 00:40:33,172 Lying about where you are today, I can't take it anymore. 653 00:40:33,297 --> 00:40:35,693 I just can't take the secrets and lies... 654 00:40:35,818 --> 00:40:38,333 not when we've got so much else to deal with. 655 00:40:38,458 --> 00:40:41,097 So, please... just talk to me, Dean. 656 00:40:43,148 --> 00:40:46,043 You're tired, Marn. I am too. -No, Dean. 657 00:40:46,168 --> 00:40:49,126 We will do this... but not now. 658 00:40:49,612 --> 00:40:50,549 Please. 659 00:40:50,674 --> 00:40:52,720 Dean. -Please. 660 00:40:56,658 --> 00:41:00,192 He's just down there at the end. -OK. Cheers, mate. 661 00:41:15,297 --> 00:41:16,743 So, those are the original files... 662 00:41:16,868 --> 00:41:19,922 connected to Fiona Grayson's driving conviction in '93. 663 00:41:20,047 --> 00:41:23,533 And it turns out that a child died during this incident... 664 00:41:23,658 --> 00:41:25,773 in the car that she collided with. -Wow. 665 00:41:25,898 --> 00:41:28,613 One of the officers attending smelt alcohol on Fiona's breath... 666 00:41:28,738 --> 00:41:30,922 and so obviously tried to give her a test at the time... 667 00:41:31,047 --> 00:41:33,133 but she was so upset, crying hysterically... 668 00:41:33,258 --> 00:41:35,463 that they were unable to successfully give her one... 669 00:41:35,588 --> 00:41:38,023 at the scene, so she was arrested and taken to the local nick... 670 00:41:38,148 --> 00:41:40,003 where a blood test was taken there instead. 671 00:41:40,128 --> 00:41:40,613 And? 672 00:41:40,738 --> 00:41:44,493 It was lost. Lost? Lost where, the lab or the nick? 673 00:41:44,618 --> 00:41:46,333 The nick. Before it got sent to the lab. 674 00:41:46,458 --> 00:41:47,613 Which nick was this? 675 00:41:47,738 --> 00:41:49,972 Kingston. Are you heading where I think you're heading? 676 00:41:50,097 --> 00:41:53,052 So I checked where both Ram Sidhu and Liz Baildon worked at the time. 677 00:41:53,177 --> 00:41:57,333 And? Baildon worked at Kingston nick from '91 to '94. 678 00:41:57,458 --> 00:41:58,545 Man. 679 00:41:58,670 --> 00:42:02,052 Yep. And in the '91 census, it details Liz and Fiona... 680 00:42:02,177 --> 00:42:04,693 as living at the same address in Thames Ditton... 681 00:42:04,818 --> 00:42:06,872 about a mile or so from Kingston town centre. 682 00:42:06,997 --> 00:42:08,192 But at the time of this offence... 683 00:42:08,317 --> 00:42:11,413 they're living at separate addresses but both are still in the same area. 684 00:42:11,538 --> 00:42:14,023 If that blood test had come back positive... 685 00:42:14,148 --> 00:42:16,693 Fiona Grayson would be in jail. -Definitely. 686 00:42:16,818 --> 00:42:19,023 OK, so there are three explanations here. 687 00:42:19,148 --> 00:42:21,348 One, this was just a coincidence. 688 00:42:22,898 --> 00:42:26,172 Two, they were an item and she contrived... 689 00:42:26,297 --> 00:42:30,102 to have the blood sample lost for personal reasons. 690 00:42:30,227 --> 00:42:31,688 And then, three... 691 00:42:33,148 --> 00:42:34,882 they weren't an item... 692 00:42:35,898 --> 00:42:37,413 but Liz Baildon was blackmailed. 693 00:42:37,538 --> 00:42:40,333 Fiona Grayson using whatever the fuck happened with Matthew Walsh... 694 00:42:40,458 --> 00:42:43,258 as some kind of... leverage. 695 00:42:44,868 --> 00:42:47,068 I know what my money's on. 696 00:42:51,258 --> 00:42:52,213 Leanne. 697 00:42:52,338 --> 00:42:54,922 Hey. Cass. Any chance you could pop in for five minutes... 698 00:42:55,047 --> 00:42:56,581 when you have a chance? 699 00:42:58,408 --> 00:42:59,808 What can I say? 700 00:43:01,018 --> 00:43:06,148 Just now, we found out, just now, this actually happened. 701 00:43:09,848 --> 00:43:11,318 I feel differently. 702 00:43:11,443 --> 00:43:13,458 Jesus, Ram. -I know. 703 00:43:14,658 --> 00:43:16,493 I'm sorry, but... 704 00:43:16,618 --> 00:43:20,023 I've just spent the last seven days slightly killing myself mentally... 705 00:43:20,148 --> 00:43:21,815 to get to where you were. 706 00:43:23,508 --> 00:43:25,413 Trying somehow to find a way of thinking... 707 00:43:25,538 --> 00:43:27,977 that we didn't have to do this thing. 708 00:43:30,177 --> 00:43:31,577 This brutal... 709 00:43:32,598 --> 00:43:34,688 really horrible thing. 710 00:43:37,227 --> 00:43:39,253 You just changed your mind. -No. 711 00:43:39,378 --> 00:43:42,688 I... I just, erm... 712 00:43:46,378 --> 00:43:50,283 What if something happened to me? What if I got ill or... 713 00:43:50,408 --> 00:43:54,253 I don't know, anything, that meant you had to do it all on your own? 714 00:43:54,378 --> 00:43:57,852 You know, I just started to think how difficult that would be for you. 715 00:43:57,977 --> 00:44:00,493 I mean, I'm not definitely saying we do go for termination... 716 00:44:00,618 --> 00:44:04,152 I'm not saying that yet, I'm just saying... can we...? 717 00:44:04,868 --> 00:44:08,018 We can keep thinking... for a bit longer. 718 00:44:15,938 --> 00:44:17,338 OK. 719 00:44:18,738 --> 00:44:20,972 OK, am I seeing what I think I'm seeing? 720 00:44:21,097 --> 00:44:27,453 So, I'm seeing a sharp-ended object approximately ten centimetres long... 721 00:44:27,578 --> 00:44:31,813 maybe three quarters of a centimetre wide inside the skull cavity. 722 00:44:31,938 --> 00:44:34,023 And what do we think that is? -No idea. 723 00:44:34,148 --> 00:44:37,102 I need to open the skull up now. -It got in pre or postmortem? 724 00:44:37,227 --> 00:44:39,413 Again, I don't know until I open it up. 725 00:44:39,538 --> 00:44:42,453 But best guess? From its position, you would logically assume... 726 00:44:42,578 --> 00:44:44,613 it entered through the temporal bone fracture... 727 00:44:44,738 --> 00:44:46,383 which, when I examined it properly... 728 00:44:46,508 --> 00:44:49,972 actually contained remnants of brick dust, so... 729 00:44:50,097 --> 00:44:51,493 two theories... 730 00:44:51,618 --> 00:44:54,593 firstly, he was being chased and at some point... 731 00:44:54,718 --> 00:44:57,923 he tripped and fell, hitting his head on a wall... 732 00:44:58,048 --> 00:45:00,503 which maybe had a metal spike of some sort... 733 00:45:00,628 --> 00:45:03,703 an old bolt from some railings or whatever... 734 00:45:03,828 --> 00:45:07,263 and this is what killed him, breaking off inside the skull. 735 00:45:07,388 --> 00:45:09,062 Or... 736 00:45:09,187 --> 00:45:11,263 he tripped and fell, hitting his head... 737 00:45:11,388 --> 00:45:14,393 which rendered him unconscious and, whilst unconscious... 738 00:45:14,518 --> 00:45:18,393 he was basically stabbed through the head wound with this object. 739 00:45:18,518 --> 00:45:21,213 Jeez. -Yeah. So... 740 00:45:21,338 --> 00:45:26,748 first theory, the chase that went tragically, but accidentally, wrong. 741 00:45:29,418 --> 00:45:33,668 Second theory... this was no accident. 742 00:45:35,187 --> 00:45:39,468 This was a very violent and very deliberate... 743 00:45:40,798 --> 00:45:42,908 murder. -Correct. 59817

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