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Welcome to "The Core."
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This week on The Core
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Director Steven Ellison gets
into the squishy viscerality
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of his knock out debut
"KUSO"
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Plus, we've got members of a
bona-fide Freakshow,
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to tell us why we can't
stop staring
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We actually had a funeral
for "normal."
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AND, our effects guru Jim Ojala
you how to make puke from
a buffet
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We need, THAT,
looking shit
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Bon Appetit
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I'm Mickey Keating,
and this is "The Core."
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The most insane Talk Show
you've ever seen.
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My first guest
is Steve Ellison.
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tknthowe hGrimam amys-n
You migh
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ominated musician
Flying Lotus,
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but his first film,
the provocative "Kuso,"
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prompted massive walkouts
at its Sundance premiere,
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and he's here today
to talk about why.
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So without further ado,
the director of "Kuso,"
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Mr. Steve Ellison.
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Sir.
Hey.
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How are you?
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Good, man, how are you?
Good.
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Uh, "Kuso," first movie,
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of all the first movies
you could possibly make,
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why this one?
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You know, I had never
made a movie before.
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That alone was, like...
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I had to, like,
drink that everyday, like,
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"You don't know what
you're doing," you know?
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This is, like,
brand-new territory.
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But then, it would be
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that kind of
wave of confidence, like,
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"Whoa, I've never
done this before.
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Let me --
Let's do something crazy.
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Let's go for it."
Mm-hmm.
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People were kind of like,
"Oh, it's a gross-out movie."
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People were offended
by it.
Yeah.
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But when, you know,
you watch it,
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it's got a lot of heart.
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It's got a lot of, like,
comedy in it.
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So, like,
what's the balance
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of finding
something like that?
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I knew that I was just
gonna have to
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punch the biggest kid
in the class
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kind of thing,
you know?
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Totally, absolutely.
It was that kind of feel
because, like,
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I know how it is
with independent films.
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There's so many of them,
and a lot of them
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just never get seen,
or they just never
get talked about.
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I was like, "I'll give them
something to talk about,"
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you know.
Right.
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"Especially on my first one,
I'll make sure, like,
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I'm coming out swinging,"
you know?
Totally.
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That was, like,
kind of my attitude,
and kind of, like --
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more of like a punk-rock
kind of thing.
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It was like --
I was like, "You know what?
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Fuck everybody."
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"Oh, this bothers you?
Okay.
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All right. I got you."
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There's so much gross-out stuff
in the movie,
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but also, you get, like,
great performances
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from all these characters.
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How do you have a movie
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with a ton of cum
and shitting
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and people puking
and boils,
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but also, make something
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that is kind of
that work of art
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atth'sat, 'sli, keli, keal, soaa
sinom se omste rastngrae ngwaea
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y?
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Well, I think
a lot of the stories
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are about love in the end,
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and I think that that's --
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that's just your easy,
relatable place,
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you know, you come from,
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and I think that
a lot of the characters
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are struggling
to make their love -- work
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I only realized that
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after it had come out,
you know?
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but I'm like, "Man, is that
just, like, my thing?"
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You know, "Am I just, like,
a struggling lover
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or something like that?"
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And, you know,
you have some really,
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kind of, fascinating
collaborators on this.
Mm-hmm.
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And how'd you fall in
with David Firth,
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Mr. Salad Fingers
himself?
Oh, man, yeah.
David Firth.
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Had directed a music video
for me a few years ago,
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and when we were working
on his video,
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I asked him.
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I was like, "Look, man,
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I'll fly out to England
tomorrow
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if you just, like, make me
your animation student."
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That's how
the whole movie started.
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It started off as
this kind of, like,
5-minute animation...
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Uh-huh.
...that blossomed
into a feature.
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What's the reason for it?
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We didn't have a lot of money
to do this,
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and I figured if, you know,
I can use animation
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as a way
to get different looks
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and different worlds,
different feels, you know,
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because I think, you know,
when people look at films
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and they see CG animations
and stuff,
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their minds just go
to cartoon world anyway.
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Right.
So, just, like, they're like,
"If it's not practical,
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it just --
it all goes to cartoon land."
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lik"Ie,'l
And I was just
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l just take advantage
of that," you know,
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because you have animation
as this resource
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to take people
to different worlds.
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What's your favorite piece
of animation in "Kuso"?
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There's a music video
that plays
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in the waiting room
of the clinic.
Okay.
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And it's, yeah,
this stop-motion music video.
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A lot of tedious work
went into that.
Awesome.
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Was there any scene,
particularly,
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where, just, the effects
didn't work?
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Just didn't work.
And it sucked,
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and it was just, like --
Uh...yeah, there was one
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that I think of
that breaks my heart.
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There was this, this scene,
the Japanese sequence,
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where this girl,
she's, like --
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she's in a tunnel,
she's climbing out,
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and then,
there's this poo monster
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at the end of the tunnel.
Right.
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And in the movie,
it's an animation,
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but we actually tried
to do that practically,
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and we had this poo monster,
and it opens up.
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It had, like,
the "Tremors."
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Like, it looked like
"Tremors," you know?
Right.
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p,It opens u
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and then a head of, like,
Louie Anderson in there.
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Like, we made a fake
Louie Anderson head.
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Like, and that opens up,
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and the tongue comes out,
like, "Wa-la-la-la!"
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It does all the stuff.
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And it just
didn't look good.
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Yeah.
It didn't look good
in the end,
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and it was just --
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It just turned way sillier
than I wanted to.
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One thing I learned in that,
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and that I'll try
to share with y'all,
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is we had saved that effect
till the end of the night,
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which is a bad idea.
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Always start with
your big gags first...
Right.
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...'cause those will never work
as you want them to.
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I read an interview with you
that you said film school
kind of fucked you up.
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Yeah, it's true.
And so what's the reason?
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I was, like,
fresh out of school,
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and I fell right in line off
what they were talking about.
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I was doing everything
that they told me to do,
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and I think
that really fucked me up.
Right, right, right.
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And it make me question
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my natural instincts,
you know?
Totally.
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Sometimes you don't know
why you do things.
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Sometimes you don't have
a reasoning
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that you can just
explain to somebody.
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It just feels right
in that moment,
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and you go with it,
you know?
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And I think
that's something that
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they try to steer you from
in film school...
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Totally.
...because they --
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they come
from that kind of idea
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where you have to have
everything
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prepared in a notebook
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before you show up
on set, you know?
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Right.
That's what
they told us.
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They had --
we had to have
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our director's homework
with us all the time.
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I had to take about, like,
10 years away from film school
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and, like, forget
all that .
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The fun thing
about the movie, too,
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is, like, there's no moment
where it's like --
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Where it doesn't feel, like,
consistent, in a weird way.
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Ah, cool.
Which is so awesome
because that's so hard.
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You know, you see a lot of
bad old horror movies,
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where it's, like, they used
different stocks outside.
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Yeah, yeah, I know.
So it's all grainy
on the outside.
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Yeah, it's funny you say that
because that's, like, uh --
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I noticed that people
just don't give a shit...
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Right, yeah.
...about all the things
like that
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that we're hung up on,
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the regular audience person,
they fucking --
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The viewer does not care.
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At this point,
they've been bombarded
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with, like, everything.
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I mean we shot on 35,
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Hi8, iPhone, Blackmagic.
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Right.
You know, I think,
at the end of the day,
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it's true what they say --
it's all about story,
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you know, really...
Totally.
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...and the formats
and all that shit is just --
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that's over.
Yeah, yeah.
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Like, forget about
thinking about that shit.
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It's just -- If you have
any kind of camera,
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that's all you need
right now.
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I've heard about this movie
for a long time,
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and as an artist, you obviously
get, like, websites saying...
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Yeah.
..."Oh, this is what 'Kuso'
is gonna be"...
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Sure.
...even before
the movie gets made.
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Sure.
Is there any kind of pressure
to kind of be like,
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"Well, here it is,
motherfuckers,"
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or, like, do you feel
any of that pressure.
Yeah.'
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yeah, I mean, when it first
showed at Sundance,
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everyone was like,
"Yeah, 'Kuso' --
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the grossest movie
of all time."
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I'm like,
"It ain't that gross."
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Yeah.
"Shit, it's --
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you know, there's some
gross shit in there,
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but, damn, is it
the grossest of all time?"
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And then,
I started feeling like,
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"man, they're gonna
see this shit and be like,
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'Man,
it wasn't that gross.'"
Right.
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You know?
Yeah.
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Like, "Man, I was --
I was waiting to vomit,
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and then I did not vomit,
so this movie sucks,"
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you know, I'm just waiting
for all that commentary.
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And so speaking of vomit,
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has anyone actually puked
during "Kuso"?
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Fuck!
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Well, that was awesome.
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Yeah.
Meaning of life awesome.
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Let's take a look at your
top-five favorite vomit scenes.
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Come on.
Oh, boy, saddle up.
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All right.
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So why don't you tell me
about this one
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and why
it's your favorite?
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"Bad Taste," Peter Jackson,
he's amazing.
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Look at him.
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Yeah,
he built all these effects
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in his parents oven,
I guess.
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Did you use this kind
of throw-up reference
for, uh, "Kuso"?
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I didn't.
No.
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But it's a reference for me
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and my career
and my future.
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This is where we start.
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Now, just imagine him with --
with all the, uh --
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the hobbits.
242
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Going from this
to fucking "Lord of the Rings"
243
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is pretty incredible.
It is incredible, man.
244
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Do you think he tried
to hide this movie
245
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when he was, like,
taking movies at New Line?
246
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"Yeah,
don't check out that one."
247
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Yeah. Yeah.
248
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This is "Audition."
249
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Yeah, apparently, he shot
this movie in only 3 weeks.
250
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Aw, shit.
I remember seeing this
for the first time,
251
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and it fucked me up so hard.
252
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I was like, "No, she's not."
Ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh.
253
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No, she's not.
Ugh.
254
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That, to me, is, like,
255
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prompts all the walkouts,
you know?
256
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Ugh.
257
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This movie,
apparently, allegedly,
258
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sent a lot of people
to the hospital.
259
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Bless them.
God bless them for it.
260
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So this is --
"Raw!"
261
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"Raw,"
the most vile movie ever.
262
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Oh, yeah, this --
263
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See,
I love this hair stuff.
264
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You know, upcoming director,
265
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she had to outdo everybody
with her hair stuff.
266
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We're gonna be able
to see it.
267
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Look at that.
Look at the struggle.
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When you start getting hair,
269
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and chunks,
and things like that
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is when it starts really
getting disgusting, and --
271
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And so,
these interconnected, kind of.
272
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Yeah,
and here's "The Ring,"
273
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and I think it's worse
274
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because Naomi Watts
is so beautiful,
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and then
you have this moment --
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this, "ugh!"
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Yeah, POV.
278
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Ugh.
That's fucking terrible.
279
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And then, of course --
280
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And, yes, of course,
the greatest --
281
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Cronenberg.
The greatest of all time.
282
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And this is "Fly."
283
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Ugh, this is brilliant.
284
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This is fucking disgusting.
285
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Yeah, I love it.
286
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I love that it's also like
a two-parter of vomit.
287
00:10:28,662 --> 00:10:30,632
It's not only the vomit.
It's him melting, too.
288
00:10:30,664 --> 00:10:32,034
Oh, and your ankle.
Right, exactly.
289
00:10:32,065 --> 00:10:33,125
It's the ultimate vomit scene,
I feel like.
290
00:10:33,166 --> 00:10:35,596
Was there any kind of throw-up
in "Kuso"
291
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that you didn't get
a chance to do?
292
00:10:36,236 --> 00:10:37,036
Um, we didn't get to do
293
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the one that I just did,
so it was great.
294
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It was, like,
295
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I didn't get to do
a good projectile vomit,
296
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so it was nice to be able
to express myself
297
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all over you.
298
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[Cla[Csslaicssalic malus ms
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]
300
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This is "The Core"
effects master, Jim Ojala.
301
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Jim, sir, thank you
for my new look.
Anytime.
302
00:11:03,463 --> 00:11:06,733
Why don't you tell everyone
how we did that?
Absolutely.
303
00:11:06,767 --> 00:11:08,497
Um, we started with
a simple base
304
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of, like, Karo syrup --
All these things
are disgusting --
305
00:11:11,038 --> 00:11:13,008
All these things
are disgusting.
On their own, yes, yes.
306
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And then combining them,
they're even more disgusting.
307
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So you can make a base
with just Karo syrup,
308
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and water,
and food coloring,
309
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but the most important thing
is to figure out
310
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what color your base is,
first.
311
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If it's a light base,
you put something contrasting,
312
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like dark beans in it.
313
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If this is a dark base,
314
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which, uh,
was your recommendation,
315
00:11:28,688 --> 00:11:30,488
that you wanted this nice,
like, ass-y color,
316
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which is fantastic.
Bile-y, bile-y.
317
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When that splatters
against somebody...
Moi.
318
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...you're gonna see
that lightness,
319
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and then, you've got stuff
like creamed spinach.
320
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This is all stuff
anybody can get.
321
00:11:38,298 --> 00:11:40,468
And when that splatters
against something,
322
00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:42,370
you've got red,
you've got --
That does look like
my last vomit.
323
00:11:42,402 --> 00:11:43,842
I mean, look at that.
Yeah, yeah.
324
00:11:43,871 --> 00:11:45,371
Like, that's, you know --
Tell me that's not vomit.
325
00:11:45,405 --> 00:11:47,975
Wait a second, though,
this kind of looks like, uh --
326
00:11:48,008 --> 00:11:52,548
like your, uh, Sizzler,
kind of, buffet, actually --
327
00:11:52,579 --> 00:11:53,849
when you like, --
328
00:11:53,881 --> 00:11:55,151
you know, zoom out
a little bit, all right?
329
00:11:55,182 --> 00:11:56,652
Absolutely.
This is like --
this is --
330
00:11:56,683 --> 00:11:58,223
This looks like
buffet-style,
331
00:11:58,251 --> 00:11:59,821
so maybe you just cruise down
to your local buffet,
332
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get a bunch of
to-go containers,
333
00:12:01,288 --> 00:12:03,158
then you don't
have to spend shit.
Exactly.
334
00:12:03,190 --> 00:12:05,530
No opening cans
or none of that crap, yeah.
None of that.
335
00:12:05,558 --> 00:12:06,988
What is this zinc oxide for?
The zinc oxide is like a --
336
00:12:07,027 --> 00:12:09,757
It's an additive
that you can put in
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to make it
a little more opaque,
338
00:12:11,298 --> 00:12:12,568
so it's not so translucent,
339
00:12:12,599 --> 00:12:14,629
and then, you get that, like,
milky white color, you know?
340
00:12:14,667 --> 00:12:15,937
It's that what's currently
341
00:12:15,969 --> 00:12:17,469
causing my eyelids
to stick together?
342
00:12:17,504 --> 00:12:19,474
Um, that's the Karo syrup.
343
00:12:19,506 --> 00:12:20,636
Okay, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
344
00:12:20,673 --> 00:12:21,513
So --
but the important thing is
345
00:12:21,541 --> 00:12:23,341
to not
add all this crap...
Right.
346
00:12:23,376 --> 00:12:24,776
if you're gonna be spraying it
through a hose --
347
00:12:24,812 --> 00:12:25,912
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
348
00:12:25,946 --> 00:12:27,676
Because this is gonna
get caught up,
349
00:12:27,714 --> 00:12:28,824
and nothing
is gonna come out.
ghSot. t
Ri
350
00:12:28,849 --> 00:12:30,079
his is if you're gonna
stick it in somebody's mouth,
351
00:12:30,117 --> 00:12:31,477
or maybe shoot it
out of a cannon or something.
352
00:12:31,518 --> 00:12:32,948
You've basically said
353
00:12:32,986 --> 00:12:34,856
that you really kind of like
dark colored vomit.
354
00:12:34,888 --> 00:12:35,988
Is it the --
What's the preference?
Yeah, you know --
355
00:12:36,023 --> 00:12:38,793
Yo, here's the thing,
look, I had --
356
00:12:38,826 --> 00:12:40,826
I had vomit that looked
like this at first --
357
00:12:40,861 --> 00:12:42,431
this, like, kind of, uh --
What is this?
358
00:12:42,462 --> 00:12:43,932
Clam-chowdery-looking
shit?
That's corn chowder, yeah.
359
00:12:43,964 --> 00:12:46,334
Some clam-chowdery-looking
shit,
360
00:12:46,366 --> 00:12:48,966
And I was really upset, man.
I was really upset.
361
00:12:49,002 --> 00:12:51,102
I was just like,
"Man, you guys got to --
362
00:12:51,138 --> 00:12:53,908
You guys got to get on the level
with me right now, okay?
363
00:12:53,941 --> 00:12:55,611
Like, this is --
this unacceptable."
364
00:12:55,642 --> 00:12:58,912
Look, we need that-looking shit
right there, you know?
Right.
365
00:12:58,946 --> 00:13:00,706
You know, like,
that right there,
366
00:13:00,747 --> 00:13:02,617
this is a disturbing-looking
color, right?
367
00:13:02,649 --> 00:13:05,249
Look at the way --
Look at how it sits
in the bowl, okay?
368
00:13:05,285 --> 00:13:07,815
Like, the edges of the bowl --
that shit looks disturbed.
369
00:13:07,855 --> 00:13:10,215
This? This looks like --
370
00:13:10,257 --> 00:13:11,387
looks delicious.
371
00:13:12,893 --> 00:13:14,693
Actually, if you light it
correctly, it'll --
372
00:13:14,727 --> 00:13:17,157
That is bad, okay?
And that's what we like.
373
00:13:17,197 --> 00:13:19,867
Yeah, I think there's something
kind of, like, way more cool
374
00:13:19,900 --> 00:13:22,170
about just, like, a dark,
disgusting, horrifying vomit,
375
00:13:22,202 --> 00:13:24,002
that it's, like --
like, just --
Yeah, same, same.
376
00:13:24,037 --> 00:13:25,807
'Cause it comes
from the depths.
Right.
377
00:13:25,839 --> 00:13:27,209
You know, it's that color,
you know?
Totally.
378
00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,910
You know, like,
this is like --
379
00:13:28,942 --> 00:13:29,782
this is like a -- you know,
a surface -- a surface puke.
380
00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:32,879
This is, like, from --
from the beneath.
381
00:13:32,913 --> 00:13:33,853
For what we just saw,
382
00:13:33,881 --> 00:13:36,351
how much of this
do you have to make
383
00:13:36,383 --> 00:13:38,123
If we want
that amount of spray at home?
384
00:13:38,151 --> 00:13:40,491
Um, let's say,
what you just got sprayed with,
385
00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:41,650
that was a solid gallon,
right there.
Mm-hmm.
386
00:13:41,688 --> 00:13:44,218
-That was a whole gallon.
-And I felt every ounce of it.
387
00:13:44,257 --> 00:13:45,127
There you go.
Yeah, I thought
it was over,
388
00:13:45,158 --> 00:13:48,098
and it just
kept going and going.
389
00:13:48,128 --> 00:13:49,058
So that's how far
a gallon will get you
390
00:13:49,096 --> 00:13:51,356
at 80 pounds
of pressure.
Right.
391
00:13:51,398 --> 00:13:53,698
Go to the Sizzler,
ask for only the sides,
392
00:13:53,733 --> 00:13:56,303
and load up, baby --
load up and fire.
393
00:13:56,336 --> 00:13:57,036
For all of, like,
the different bodily fluids,
394
00:13:57,070 --> 00:13:59,340
like,
what did you guys use?
395
00:13:59,372 --> 00:14:00,942
We stained
some underwear with coffee.
396
00:14:00,974 --> 00:14:02,714
Oh, yeah.
You know, to give it
397
00:14:02,742 --> 00:14:04,342
that, like, kind of, like,
skid mark undies.
Right, right.
398
00:14:04,377 --> 00:14:07,407
You know, the tighty-whities
with skid marks in them.
399
00:14:07,447 --> 00:14:09,717
And what was the smashing of
the bug kind of thing,
400
00:14:09,749 --> 00:14:11,579
because that's like a --
Actually, yeah,
we had this thing
401
00:14:11,618 --> 00:14:12,618
where the bug was smashed.
402
00:14:12,652 --> 00:14:13,422
It'd be like, blam,
and like that.
403
00:14:15,188 --> 00:14:17,158
We used some
peanut butter and jelly,
404
00:14:17,190 --> 00:14:18,330
and it just had this, like,
weird look to it.
405
00:14:18,358 --> 00:14:21,628
Like you said, man,
you can use any of this stuff
406
00:14:21,661 --> 00:14:23,231
and go just as well.
407
00:14:23,263 --> 00:14:26,233
You know, I like even doing
funky textures on the wall.
408
00:14:26,266 --> 00:14:28,396
Like, I was throwing
some bean juice
409
00:14:28,435 --> 00:14:29,265
on the walls back there,
410
00:14:29,302 --> 00:14:31,002
and that just has
a nice look to it.
411
00:14:31,038 --> 00:14:33,008
I heard
you hate baked beans.
412
00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,070
I hate beans.
You just hate beans
in general.
413
00:14:34,107 --> 00:14:36,407
Beans, all beans,
I hate all beans.
414
00:14:36,443 --> 00:14:38,953
All beans -- lima beans,
baked beans, pinto beans,
415
00:14:38,979 --> 00:14:40,249
black, whatever,
fucking refried,
416
00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:41,750
"whatever your grandma
wants to make" beans --
417
00:14:41,781 --> 00:14:43,821
I hate all of them.
418
00:14:43,850 --> 00:14:44,680
Don't ever
bring them around me
419
00:14:44,717 --> 00:14:46,687
unless we're doing shit
like this.
420
00:14:47,420 --> 00:14:48,120
Would you prefer to eat
421
00:14:48,155 --> 00:14:50,215
the bowl of vomit
from "Audition"
422
00:14:50,257 --> 00:14:53,687
or a bowl of these beans,
right here, lukewarm?
423
00:14:54,161 --> 00:14:56,231
The fact that
I have to think about it
424
00:14:56,263 --> 00:14:57,663
is already enough, right?
425
00:14:57,697 --> 00:14:59,767
Because fuck that.
Totally.
426
00:15:01,368 --> 00:15:02,968
Well, so, you heard it from
the master himself, I guess.
427
00:15:03,003 --> 00:15:04,973
Go to your local
Sizzler,
428
00:15:05,005 --> 00:15:06,805
and, uh, make up
a concoction of --
429
00:15:06,839 --> 00:15:08,009
Bam!
430
00:15:12,012 --> 00:15:13,552
I think I hate this movie.
431
00:15:13,580 --> 00:15:16,920
**
432
00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:21,590
**
433
00:15:21,621 --> 00:15:22,691
Folks, you're about to see
434
00:15:22,722 --> 00:15:24,192
the World Famous Freakshow,
435
00:15:24,224 --> 00:15:25,294
the strangest show on Earth.
436
00:15:25,325 --> 00:15:29,355
Inside, you're gonna see
the Sword Swallower
437
00:15:29,396 --> 00:15:30,256
and the Fire Eater,
438
00:15:30,297 --> 00:15:31,997
the Electric Lady
and the Bearded Lady,
439
00:15:32,032 --> 00:15:35,002
the Bubble Boy
and the Wolf Boy.
440
00:15:35,035 --> 00:15:37,265
You're gonna meet
the Smallest Man in America
441
00:15:37,304 --> 00:15:40,244
and the Littlest Married Couple
in the World.
442
00:15:40,273 --> 00:15:43,713
**
443
00:15:43,743 --> 00:15:45,783
They're all here.
They're all real.
444
00:15:45,812 --> 00:15:46,912
They're all live,
445
00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:49,516
and you're about to see them
with your own eyes.
446
00:15:49,549 --> 00:15:51,989
**
447
00:15:52,019 --> 00:15:54,249
Folks,
the show is about to begin.
448
00:15:54,287 --> 00:15:56,017
Come in now.
449
00:15:56,056 --> 00:15:57,016
By any measure,
"Kuso" is a shocking film
450
00:15:57,057 --> 00:15:59,727
that we can't
look away from.
451
00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:00,889
So why do we watch it?
452
00:16:00,927 --> 00:16:02,227
It would take
a freak-show barker
453
00:16:02,262 --> 00:16:04,602
to explain
something like that to me.
454
00:16:04,631 --> 00:16:05,431
And fortunately,
I've got one.
455
00:16:05,465 --> 00:16:08,035
Mr. Todd Ray,
thank you for joining me.
456
00:16:08,068 --> 00:16:09,798
Nice to meet you.
The proprietor of
457
00:16:09,836 --> 00:16:10,466
the Venice Beach
Freakshow,
458
00:16:10,503 --> 00:16:13,213
and I have
Jessa the Bearded Lady,
459
00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,710
-Howdy.
-And Bob the Bubble Boy.
460
00:16:15,742 --> 00:16:16,882
Let's talk freak shows.
461
00:16:16,909 --> 00:16:18,009
Why do people love them?
462
00:16:18,045 --> 00:16:19,575
Why are they
so interested in them?
463
00:16:19,612 --> 00:16:21,752
Well, you know, I think what
it ultimately comes down to
464
00:16:21,781 --> 00:16:24,051
is human curiosity.
465
00:16:24,084 --> 00:16:26,024
I think we'd be apes
if we weren't curious, you know?
466
00:16:26,053 --> 00:16:27,923
Sure.
What's in there?
467
00:16:27,954 --> 00:16:30,224
Right.
And could it be real?
468
00:16:30,257 --> 00:16:31,357
And then, suddenly,
you have to see it.
469
00:16:31,391 --> 00:16:35,901
What does the term "freak"
mean to all three of you.
470
00:16:35,928 --> 00:16:37,658
I mean, the reason
we named it the Freakshow
471
00:16:37,697 --> 00:16:39,097
was not just
to use that name,
472
00:16:39,132 --> 00:16:40,272
but to redefine
the word "freak."
Okay.
473
00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:43,740
To actually bring it back
to the original meaning,
474
00:16:43,770 --> 00:16:45,470
which means
one of a kind...
475
00:16:45,505 --> 00:16:48,005
We actually had
a funeral for normal
476
00:16:48,041 --> 00:16:49,941
in front of
the Freakshow...
Really?
477
00:16:49,976 --> 00:16:51,906
...'cause we declared
that normal is dead.
478
00:16:51,944 --> 00:16:54,254
and so, for us,
freak means that.
479
00:16:54,281 --> 00:16:55,751
It means one of a kind.
480
00:16:55,782 --> 00:16:58,392
And if you think about it,
you, me, everyone here,
481
00:16:58,418 --> 00:17:00,588
we're all unique
in our own way.
Mm-hmm.
482
00:17:00,620 --> 00:17:03,820
To me, I think freak is,
you know, the dark secret,
483
00:17:03,856 --> 00:17:05,886
That taps on the back of
your mind
484
00:17:05,925 --> 00:17:06,855
"You've got to go see
what this is."
485
00:17:06,893 --> 00:17:08,333
I'm gonna ask you about
486
00:17:08,361 --> 00:17:09,831
how you got into this
entire crazy endeavor
487
00:17:09,862 --> 00:17:10,932
in the first place.
488
00:17:10,963 --> 00:17:13,673
Well, when I was a kid,
489
00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:15,570
I was really into magic.
490
00:17:15,602 --> 00:17:16,902
And I went to a carnival,
491
00:17:16,936 --> 00:17:19,466
and there was this big tent
492
00:17:19,506 --> 00:17:21,006
with this whole line
of banners
493
00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,810
with all
these amazing people.
494
00:17:22,842 --> 00:17:25,152
And when I walked in,
495
00:17:25,178 --> 00:17:27,208
there was this man,
Otis Jordan.
496
00:17:27,247 --> 00:17:30,447
He could not use his limbs --
his arms, or his legs.
497
00:17:30,483 --> 00:17:32,193
They were curled into his body,
498
00:17:32,219 --> 00:17:34,049
and he was ossified,
like stone.
499
00:17:34,087 --> 00:17:35,557
So they carried him out,
500
00:17:35,588 --> 00:17:37,858
and all he could use
was his shoulder, his chin,
501
00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:39,830
his lips, his tongue,
502
00:17:39,859 --> 00:17:42,199
and he proceeded
to roll a cigarette
503
00:17:42,229 --> 00:17:43,899
right there on stage.
504
00:17:43,930 --> 00:17:45,130
He took two puffs,
505
00:17:45,165 --> 00:17:47,065
and he looked at
everyone in the audience,
506
00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:48,700
and looked me
right in the face,
507
00:17:48,735 --> 00:17:51,235
and he said, "Now, kids,
that's why they call me
508
00:17:51,271 --> 00:17:53,541
the Human
Cigarette Factory."
509
00:17:53,573 --> 00:17:54,873
And it was something
about that act.
510
00:17:54,907 --> 00:17:57,907
I -- I -- After it,
I went and talked to
him after the show,
511
00:17:57,944 --> 00:17:59,254
and he said --
512
00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:01,149
And I said, "Mr. Jordan,
I'm a young magician,
513
00:18:01,181 --> 00:18:03,351
There's no way
I could do what you did."
514
00:18:03,383 --> 00:18:04,983
And he looked at me,
and he said,
515
00:18:05,017 --> 00:18:07,017
"Son, if I can do
516
00:18:07,053 --> 00:18:09,223
what I just did
in my condition,
517
00:18:09,256 --> 00:18:10,516
a young man like you
518
00:18:10,557 --> 00:18:12,687
can do anything
you ever dream of."
519
00:18:12,725 --> 00:18:15,225
And I was hooked.
520
00:18:15,262 --> 00:18:16,432
Wow.
That was it.
521
00:18:16,463 --> 00:18:18,103
What are
the key ingredients
522
00:18:18,131 --> 00:18:19,931
to making
an awesome freak show?
523
00:18:19,966 --> 00:18:21,226
The first ingredients
you got to have
524
00:18:21,268 --> 00:18:23,368
is the outside look --
the banners.
525
00:18:23,403 --> 00:18:25,173
Uh-huh.
You have
to have the flash.
526
00:18:25,205 --> 00:18:27,835
They say,
"More flash, more cash."
527
00:18:27,874 --> 00:18:30,214
And, uh, you know,
528
00:18:30,243 --> 00:18:31,013
then you have to have
amazing people,
529
00:18:31,043 --> 00:18:33,453
like Jessa the Bearded Lady.
530
00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,080
-Yes.
-Uh, Bob the Bubble Boy,
531
00:18:36,115 --> 00:18:37,815
The Wolf Boy from Mexico,
532
00:18:37,850 --> 00:18:40,620
he's covered with hair,
like, a werewolf.
Oh, wow.
533
00:18:40,653 --> 00:18:42,463
The Smallest Man in America
is with us.
534
00:18:42,489 --> 00:18:44,219
Can you, uh, show --
Sure.
535
00:18:44,257 --> 00:18:45,987
Explain this guy to us?
536
00:18:46,025 --> 00:18:48,255
Well,
this is Myrtle and Squirtle,
537
00:18:48,295 --> 00:18:50,595
the two-headed turtle.
538
00:18:51,931 --> 00:18:53,931
And they have two minds.
539
00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:55,936
Myrtle controls
these two limbs.
540
00:18:55,968 --> 00:18:57,868
Squirtle controls
these two limbs.
541
00:18:57,904 --> 00:18:59,244
What?
Who controls the tail?
542
00:18:59,272 --> 00:19:00,472
I don't know.
543
00:19:00,507 --> 00:19:02,237
Okay,
and so I'd like to move on
544
00:19:02,275 --> 00:19:03,405
to -- to you two.
545
00:19:03,443 --> 00:19:04,583
Bob,
do you mind explaining
546
00:19:04,611 --> 00:19:06,051
how you got
into the Freakshow?
547
00:19:06,078 --> 00:19:09,048
Well, my wife,
and daughter, and I
548
00:19:09,081 --> 00:19:10,051
were on vacation.
549
00:19:10,082 --> 00:19:12,222
We decided to go
to Venice Beach
550
00:19:12,252 --> 00:19:14,152
and --
and check out the art.
551
00:19:14,187 --> 00:19:16,457
And she goes,
"Well, the Freakshow is here."
552
00:19:16,489 --> 00:19:17,459
I said,
"Well, what's the Freakshow?"
553
00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:19,490
So we start getting closer,
554
00:19:19,526 --> 00:19:21,456
and I just hear
this incredible voice.
555
00:19:21,494 --> 00:19:23,834
Enthralling.
So I walk up,
556
00:19:23,863 --> 00:19:25,673
and Todd looks at me
and goes,
557
00:19:25,698 --> 00:19:28,668
"I know what you have.
Is it all over?"
558
00:19:28,701 --> 00:19:29,741
I said, "Yeah."
559
00:19:29,769 --> 00:19:32,669
Well, this one, here, Jessa,
is up on the...
560
00:19:32,705 --> 00:19:34,405
...up on the stairs,
561
00:19:34,441 --> 00:19:37,541
yelling for me
to take my shirt off.
Take it off!
562
00:19:37,577 --> 00:19:42,147
I took my shirt off,
and the crowd went nuts.
563
00:19:42,181 --> 00:19:43,481
They went ballistic.
564
00:19:43,516 --> 00:19:45,616
It was --
It was just crazy.
565
00:19:45,652 --> 00:19:46,822
It was overwhelming.
566
00:19:46,853 --> 00:19:47,893
Hundreds of people,
just screaming, "Yeah!"
567
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,020
It -- it was --
568
00:19:50,056 --> 00:19:51,856
It was such
an overwhelming feeling,
569
00:19:51,891 --> 00:19:55,761
and Todd offered me a job.
570
00:19:55,795 --> 00:19:57,055
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t?igh
571
00:19:57,096 --> 00:19:57,656
Right on the spot?
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h.ot-Y.ea
572
00:19:57,697 --> 00:19:58,697
Y
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573
00:19:58,731 --> 00:19:59,231
you mind explaining your
condition a little bit?
574
00:19:59,266 --> 00:20:00,366
It's a genetic condition.
575
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,800
Um, it's called
neurofibromatosis...
Okay.
576
00:20:02,835 --> 00:20:06,365
...which causes tumors
to grow on the outside.
Mm-hmm.
577
00:20:06,406 --> 00:20:08,066
It can cause
learning disabilities,
578
00:20:08,107 --> 00:20:11,337
scoliosis,
bowing of the legs,
579
00:20:11,378 --> 00:20:13,648
misshapen heads, limbs.
580
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,020
You talk about
what draws people
581
00:20:16,048 --> 00:20:18,818
to want to look at things
like "Kuso."
582
00:20:18,851 --> 00:20:20,021
My condition --
I feel it's the same way.
583
00:20:20,052 --> 00:20:22,262
It's --
it's so devastating,
584
00:20:22,289 --> 00:20:24,089
but yet,
so interesting.
Of course.
585
00:20:24,123 --> 00:20:25,663
And you -- you --
you can't look away.
586
00:20:25,692 --> 00:20:27,492
You have
to read about it.
Right.
587
00:20:27,527 --> 00:20:29,557
Jessa, I'd love to hear
a little bit of backstory
588
00:20:29,596 --> 00:20:33,026
on the --
on the Bearded Lady.
589
00:20:33,065 --> 00:20:34,395
The long story short
is gonna be that
590
00:20:34,434 --> 00:20:37,574
I got caught between
a rock and a hard place.
591
00:20:37,604 --> 00:20:42,044
I have a condition called
polycystic ovarian disease.
592
00:20:42,074 --> 00:20:44,414
It eventually
leads into cancer.
Oh.
593
00:20:44,444 --> 00:20:46,584
And if you start
getting the fuzz,
594
00:20:46,613 --> 00:20:48,883
well, that's your choice
to grow it or not,
595
00:20:48,915 --> 00:20:49,615
but at some point in time,
596
00:20:49,649 --> 00:20:52,649
I got to stand up
for people like myself
597
00:20:52,685 --> 00:20:54,915
and go,
"Hey, this happens."
598
00:20:54,954 --> 00:20:57,264
Wow.
Just roll with it.
599
00:20:57,290 --> 00:20:59,960
Life gives you lemons,
what do you do with it?
600
00:20:59,992 --> 00:21:01,662
You grow a beard.
There you go.
601
00:21:03,229 --> 00:21:04,699
Then you make lemonade.
602
00:21:04,731 --> 00:21:05,471
Mickey:
Jessa, talk to me about
603
00:21:05,498 --> 00:21:08,028
society's perception
of beauty.
604
00:21:08,067 --> 00:21:09,997
Well, to be honest,
I challenge that
605
00:21:10,036 --> 00:21:13,806
because I have both the feminine
and the masculine.
606
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,440
I have this full beard,
607
00:21:15,475 --> 00:21:18,345
yet, I am very much
the southern belle.
I love that.
608
00:21:18,378 --> 00:21:19,578
So, I get the real vibe
609
00:21:19,612 --> 00:21:21,252
that you guys
are very much a family.
610
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,180
It feels that way.
611
00:21:22,214 --> 00:21:23,354
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
612
00:21:23,383 --> 00:21:24,983
Mickey: So, tell me about
the family life
613
00:21:25,017 --> 00:21:26,317
when you guys
aren't on the stage?
614
00:21:26,719 --> 00:21:29,459
Out there in society,
I get stared at...
Mm-hmm.
615
00:21:29,489 --> 00:21:30,589
...comments made,
616
00:21:30,623 --> 00:21:32,163
but I don't let it
bother me.
617
00:21:32,191 --> 00:21:34,591
Inside the Freakshow,
I still get stared at,
618
00:21:34,627 --> 00:21:38,797
but I got the opportunity
to educate and inform people.
619
00:21:38,831 --> 00:21:39,801
You know, we go on
620
00:21:39,832 --> 00:21:41,802
and do what everybody else
does in life.
621
00:21:41,834 --> 00:21:43,574
We just have it
a little different.
Well, you should see --
622
00:21:43,603 --> 00:21:45,573
You really see
when we're all out together.
Yeah.
623
00:21:45,605 --> 00:21:47,265
That's really
when it's crazy.
Yeah.
624
00:21:47,306 --> 00:21:48,976
-That's when the stares come.
-You know, I mean,
625
00:21:49,008 --> 00:21:50,938
if you see Jessa
go up to counter,
626
00:21:50,977 --> 00:21:51,877
the woman trips out.
Right.
627
00:21:51,911 --> 00:21:54,511
But when she picks up
the Smallest Man in America
628
00:21:54,547 --> 00:21:56,047
and puts him
up on the counter,
629
00:21:56,082 --> 00:21:57,482
and then
the Wolf Boy walks out,
630
00:21:57,517 --> 00:21:58,787
everyone just trips.
631
00:21:58,818 --> 00:21:59,818
Like, it's --
632
00:21:59,852 --> 00:22:01,592
You know what it
kind of reminds me of?
633
00:22:01,621 --> 00:22:03,591
It's like the X-Men.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
634
00:22:03,623 --> 00:22:06,133
You know, the X-Men
couldn't walk into to Target
635
00:22:06,158 --> 00:22:07,228
and go unrecognized.
636
00:22:07,259 --> 00:22:08,429
It would be ridiculous --
637
00:22:08,461 --> 00:22:09,831
"Who are these people?"
Right.
638
00:22:09,862 --> 00:22:11,062
That's what I feel like we are
when we walk out.
639
00:22:11,097 --> 00:22:13,397
We're like the X-Men.
Mm-hmm.
640
00:22:13,433 --> 00:22:15,003
-Wow
-You know?
641
00:22:15,034 --> 00:22:15,844
Yeah,
that makes total sense.
642
00:22:15,868 --> 00:22:18,538
Are there other freak shows
around the country
643
00:22:18,571 --> 00:22:19,911
that people
should know about,
644
00:22:19,939 --> 00:22:22,069
or are you guys doing
something completely --
645
00:22:22,108 --> 00:22:23,378
We're pretty much it.
646
00:22:23,410 --> 00:22:24,940
We're the last
of the true freak show.
647
00:22:24,977 --> 00:22:26,307
This is really it.
648
00:22:26,345 --> 00:22:29,345
I mean, we are the last-standing
show of its type
649
00:22:29,382 --> 00:22:30,552
in the whole world.
Mm-hmm.
650
00:22:30,583 --> 00:22:32,623
When we created
the Freakshow,
651
00:22:32,652 --> 00:22:35,422
the goal was to bring wonder
back into the world.
652
00:22:35,455 --> 00:22:38,985
Thank you so much, again,
to Todd, Jessa, and Bob.
653
00:22:39,025 --> 00:22:40,925
This was incredibly awesome
and very insightful.
654
00:22:50,202 --> 00:22:58,382
**
655
00:23:01,681 --> 00:23:10,691
**
656
00:23:10,723 --> 00:23:13,193
**
657
00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:15,695
You probably have
that one friend
658
00:23:15,728 --> 00:23:16,658
who knows
everything about movies
659
00:23:16,696 --> 00:23:18,926
and has killer
recommendations, right?
660
00:23:18,965 --> 00:23:20,495
Well, that guy doesn't know shit
compared to Sam Zimmerman,
661
00:23:20,533 --> 00:23:24,003
who happens to be the curator
over at Shudder.
662
00:23:24,036 --> 00:23:26,136
So, you like "Kuso"?
I'll never be the same.
663
00:23:26,172 --> 00:23:27,042
That blew my mind.
664
00:23:27,073 --> 00:23:29,183
Do you like things that are,
like, deeply weird?
665
00:23:29,208 --> 00:23:31,608
I prefer those things
to anything else.
All right.
666
00:23:31,644 --> 00:23:33,484
We're starting with
"Tetsuo: The Iron Man."
667
00:23:33,513 --> 00:23:35,083
Did you see this?
Oh, shit.
No, I've never seen it.
668
00:23:38,050 --> 00:23:40,920
Huge influence on "Kuso,"
669
00:23:40,953 --> 00:23:43,823
a 16-millimeter
biomechanical nightmare.
670
00:23:43,856 --> 00:23:45,456
this is incredible,
frightening cinema
671
00:23:45,492 --> 00:23:48,762
about the convergence
of man and machine.
672
00:23:48,795 --> 00:23:50,595
David Lynch on crack,
it sounds like.
673
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:51,530
Crack might be
a little too basic.
674
00:23:51,564 --> 00:23:53,974
You like Cronenberg?
I love David Cronenberg.
675
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,700
Well, yeah,
also an influence on Steve,
676
00:23:55,735 --> 00:23:56,995
also an influence on "Kuso,"
677
00:23:57,036 --> 00:23:58,506
this is, like, straight
from the family line,
678
00:23:58,538 --> 00:24:01,368
his son Brandon's
first feature film, "Antiviral."
679
00:24:01,407 --> 00:24:02,367
**
680
00:24:02,408 --> 00:24:04,208
It's about
celebrity sickness.
681
00:24:04,243 --> 00:24:05,043
It's, like, beautiful.
It's grotesque.
682
00:24:05,077 --> 00:24:06,347
It's -- it's amazing.
683
00:24:06,378 --> 00:24:08,248
So, I mean,
"Scanners," "The Fly,"
684
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,880
is he living up
to his dad's legacy?
685
00:24:10,917 --> 00:24:13,217
Yes, all in its DNA,
he does it with aplomb.
686
00:24:13,252 --> 00:24:14,522
It's -- it's totally rad,
687
00:24:14,554 --> 00:24:16,894
and it stars, uh,
Caleb Landry Jones,
688
00:24:16,923 --> 00:24:18,533
who you might know as
the brother in "Get Out."
689
00:24:18,558 --> 00:24:19,458
Yeah, he's incredible.
690
00:24:19,492 --> 00:24:22,862
What the fuck?
I didn't do anything.
691
00:24:22,895 --> 00:24:24,225
"Seoul Station."
692
00:24:27,634 --> 00:24:29,644
Okay.
This is a new
Shudder exclusive
693
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:30,999
from Yeon Sang-Ho,
694
00:24:31,037 --> 00:24:32,607
who directed
"Train to Busan."
Okay, awesome.
695
00:24:32,639 --> 00:24:34,409
So that was like a huge
Korean zombie hit, right?
696
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,710
Yeah.
This is the prequel.
697
00:24:35,742 --> 00:24:37,242
It's, like,
savage and charged,
698
00:24:37,276 --> 00:24:38,336
and it brings, like,
699
00:24:38,377 --> 00:24:39,777
a whole new, fresh
perspective to zombies.
700
00:24:39,812 --> 00:24:42,252
Cannot wait.
I love "Train to Busan."
701
00:24:42,281 --> 00:24:43,581
We got "The Innkeepers."
Okay.
702
00:24:45,585 --> 00:24:48,285
Ti West, one of our
modern masters of horror,
703
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,590
works with Graham Reznick,
704
00:24:49,622 --> 00:24:51,022
one of our modern masters
of sound design.
705
00:24:51,057 --> 00:24:52,727
What they do here
is just really make
706
00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:54,059
this stunning,
haunting atmosphere.
707
00:24:54,093 --> 00:24:56,603
This is a great horror-comedy,
a great ghost story.
708
00:24:56,629 --> 00:24:58,499
It's a little bit
more traditional
709
00:24:58,531 --> 00:24:59,731
but it's a great
palate cleanser,
710
00:24:59,766 --> 00:25:01,226
and it's creepy as hell.
All right.
711
00:25:01,267 --> 00:25:02,297
So what's that last one?
712
00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:03,874
How hard-core do you go?
713
00:25:03,903 --> 00:25:06,713
Dude, look at me,
I'm pretty hardcore.
714
00:25:06,739 --> 00:25:08,539
This is a classic
of shock-cinema --
715
00:25:08,575 --> 00:25:11,135
Ruggero Deodato's
"Cannibal Holocaust."
716
00:25:12,745 --> 00:25:14,945
Man: I can't understand
the reason for such cruelty.
717
00:25:14,981 --> 00:25:16,851
A documentary crew
goes down to the Amazon
718
00:25:16,883 --> 00:25:20,153
to document the lives
of untouched tribes.
719
00:25:20,186 --> 00:25:21,786
Some get eaten.
Oh, shit.
720
00:25:21,821 --> 00:25:23,961
He almost went to jail
over that, right?
He did.
721
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:25,990
After they wrapped production
in the Amazon,
722
00:25:26,025 --> 00:25:27,585
director Deodato
asked his actors
723
00:25:27,627 --> 00:25:28,997
to hide out for a year
724
00:25:29,028 --> 00:25:31,998
He had to pull them out,
show them to the Supreme Court,
725
00:25:32,031 --> 00:25:34,271
to prove they were
very much still alive.
726
00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:36,000
It's not only controversial,
but it's also pioneering.
727
00:25:36,035 --> 00:25:39,035
It's tough,
but it's essential.
728
00:25:39,071 --> 00:25:40,011
It's a must-see,
729
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:41,369
and it's a long line
730
00:25:41,407 --> 00:25:43,637
that leads from here
right up to "Kuso."
731
00:25:43,676 --> 00:25:45,036
Hey, uh, what's that playing
on Shudder TV?
732
00:25:45,077 --> 00:25:47,607
That's "The Core."
733
00:25:47,647 --> 00:25:49,217
I don't remember
filming any of that.
734
00:25:49,248 --> 00:25:50,378
It's happening now.
735
00:25:50,416 --> 00:25:51,846
It's happening right now?
Yes.
736
00:25:51,884 --> 00:25:53,494
Mickey: That's all the time
we've got on "The Core."
737
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:54,749
We'll be streaming new episodes
738
00:25:54,787 --> 00:25:56,387
right here on Shudder
every week,
739
00:25:56,422 --> 00:25:58,162
and join us next week
for our special --
740
00:26:21,881 --> 00:26:22,181
Oh, God!
53175
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