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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,313 --> 00:00:11,011 Women really have the power here 2 00:00:11,141 --> 00:00:13,970 because we will not accept any form of sexual harassment 3 00:00:14,101 --> 00:00:15,972 or inappropriate behavior here. 4 00:00:16,059 --> 00:00:19,062 Right. You like seeing women be powerful? 5 00:00:19,149 --> 00:00:21,021 Absolutely! Because then you know what they're doing is-- 6 00:00:21,151 --> 00:00:23,936 is something they really want to do. 7 00:00:24,067 --> 00:00:26,591 ♪ 8 00:00:26,722 --> 00:00:30,421 Disgusted was the last feeling that I had. 9 00:00:30,552 --> 00:00:33,120 Disgusted. 10 00:00:33,250 --> 00:00:35,992 I would feel extremely small and vulnerable 11 00:00:36,123 --> 00:00:38,081 and feel like I would have 12 00:00:38,212 --> 00:00:41,432 to do something that I wasn't comfortable doing. 13 00:00:41,563 --> 00:00:43,739 I felt like I was lost in this world 14 00:00:43,869 --> 00:00:45,436 that I would never get out of. 15 00:00:45,523 --> 00:00:49,310 I felt swappable, interchangeable. 16 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:50,702 It got a little weird. 17 00:00:50,789 --> 00:00:52,704 I felt like it was almost pimping. 18 00:00:54,619 --> 00:00:55,838 You have a man that was living 19 00:00:55,968 --> 00:00:58,145 in a multimillion-dollar mansion, 20 00:00:58,275 --> 00:01:01,496 having million-dollar parties. 21 00:01:01,626 --> 00:01:05,021 But the girls that made him that success, 22 00:01:05,152 --> 00:01:06,849 we were disposable. 23 00:01:06,979 --> 00:01:09,417 That's how we felt. 24 00:01:09,547 --> 00:01:13,638 It wasn't just Hefner's buddies, his friends, the big VIPs. 25 00:01:13,769 --> 00:01:16,076 It was Hefner himself. 26 00:01:16,206 --> 00:01:18,948 I never heard him say on television, 27 00:01:19,035 --> 00:01:23,692 "It's okay to do it when the girl hasn't said yes," 28 00:01:23,822 --> 00:01:25,563 but he was doing it. 29 00:01:25,650 --> 00:01:28,610 They were not giving full consent. 30 00:01:28,740 --> 00:01:30,264 Typically, if someone is known 31 00:01:30,394 --> 00:01:33,136 for dating vulnerable populations, 32 00:01:33,267 --> 00:01:35,486 we call that out for what it is, right? 33 00:01:35,617 --> 00:01:39,490 Looking back now, Hef was a predator. 34 00:01:39,577 --> 00:01:43,103 He was a predator. 35 00:01:43,190 --> 00:01:45,627 [motor revving] 36 00:01:45,714 --> 00:01:47,368 My name is Hugh Hefner. 37 00:01:47,498 --> 00:01:49,326 I'm editor-publisher of "Playboy" magazine. 38 00:01:49,413 --> 00:01:53,461 When Hugh Hefner was just 27, he fashioned himself and Playboy 39 00:01:53,591 --> 00:01:55,941 as the face of sexual liberation. 40 00:01:56,072 --> 00:01:59,075 Playboy is one of the most famous brand names in the world. 41 00:01:59,206 --> 00:02:00,903 I would like to be remembered as somebody 42 00:02:01,033 --> 00:02:03,253 who played some positive part 43 00:02:03,384 --> 00:02:05,821 in changing the social-sexual values of my time. 44 00:02:05,908 --> 00:02:10,304 I believe that Hef pulled one over on the whole world. 45 00:02:10,434 --> 00:02:13,350 The fantasy of Playboy that he created 46 00:02:13,481 --> 00:02:17,920 did not allow for the consent of the women. 47 00:02:18,007 --> 00:02:19,704 When it came to Hefner's buddies, 48 00:02:19,835 --> 00:02:21,967 you had to keep those secrets quiet. 49 00:02:22,098 --> 00:02:24,013 - What have you got for free? - [laughs] 50 00:02:24,144 --> 00:02:26,189 When you get someone that powerful, 51 00:02:26,276 --> 00:02:28,148 anything could happen. Anything. 52 00:02:28,278 --> 00:02:29,845 The people who were really there-- 53 00:02:29,932 --> 00:02:31,455 they're the ones who know the real truth. 54 00:02:31,542 --> 00:02:34,066 I want to be a voice for the women 55 00:02:34,197 --> 00:02:36,068 that suffered the most at his hands. 56 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:40,551 ♪ 57 00:02:40,682 --> 00:02:43,598 ♪ 58 00:02:52,563 --> 00:02:57,960 I could have left that world thinking he was a great guy, 59 00:02:58,090 --> 00:02:59,962 being able to say to people, 60 00:03:00,049 --> 00:03:01,485 he was never inappropriate with me. 61 00:03:01,616 --> 00:03:04,793 He, you know, paid us well. 62 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:10,668 Some doors that maybe I never would've stood before, opened, 63 00:03:10,755 --> 00:03:13,105 but I can't say that. 64 00:03:13,193 --> 00:03:16,196 ♪ 65 00:03:16,283 --> 00:03:21,679 I decided to tell in detail about the Hefner rape. 66 00:03:21,766 --> 00:03:24,900 [voice breaking] I hate that word, 67 00:03:24,987 --> 00:03:28,730 but there is no other way to describe it. 68 00:03:28,817 --> 00:03:31,428 Women who go through this 69 00:03:31,515 --> 00:03:36,390 feel that they'll be "stigmatized" 70 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,957 or thought of differently. 71 00:03:39,044 --> 00:03:42,178 It's why they don't talk about it. 72 00:03:42,309 --> 00:03:45,660 That's why they don't tell. Sometimes never. 73 00:03:45,790 --> 00:03:49,490 It took me years. Years. 74 00:03:49,577 --> 00:03:52,710 ♪ 75 00:03:52,797 --> 00:03:56,105 I was raised in Alabama, 76 00:03:56,236 --> 00:03:59,674 just a very rural area on a farm. 77 00:03:59,804 --> 00:04:04,331 My parents were almost cult-like with their religion. 78 00:04:04,461 --> 00:04:06,855 The Church of Christ, 79 00:04:06,985 --> 00:04:11,990 anything to do with sex or your private parts 80 00:04:12,121 --> 00:04:15,080 was just completely, completely off the table. 81 00:04:15,167 --> 00:04:19,302 We weren't allowed to wear shorts. 82 00:04:19,389 --> 00:04:23,001 I remember I invited some people over to go swimming. 83 00:04:23,132 --> 00:04:26,570 I cut my pants off to the knees, 84 00:04:26,657 --> 00:04:29,356 and my mom came home, and I got-- 85 00:04:29,443 --> 00:04:31,793 she beat the hell out of me, 86 00:04:31,923 --> 00:04:33,621 called me every name in the book, 87 00:04:33,751 --> 00:04:36,450 that, you know, I was a whore. 88 00:04:36,537 --> 00:04:42,586 And, um, you know... just...the sh--shame, shaming. 89 00:04:44,893 --> 00:04:46,460 When I was little, 90 00:04:46,590 --> 00:04:49,680 I just remember my grandfather-- 91 00:04:49,811 --> 00:04:55,469 he would take me into the woods, and... 92 00:04:55,556 --> 00:04:57,384 Mm. 93 00:04:59,516 --> 00:05:02,867 And then he would--he would take his, um, his pants off, 94 00:05:02,954 --> 00:05:05,914 and, um, he would rape me, 95 00:05:06,001 --> 00:05:09,483 and I remember when I was 8, 96 00:05:09,570 --> 00:05:11,485 he said, "Well, don't you ever tell your mother 97 00:05:11,572 --> 00:05:14,444 because she will kill you if you tell her." 98 00:05:17,142 --> 00:05:22,583 So when I left home at 15, I got a job. 99 00:05:22,670 --> 00:05:25,020 I was determined to get my little brother 100 00:05:25,150 --> 00:05:27,892 out of that home and to come live with me. 101 00:05:28,023 --> 00:05:31,505 I felt like he was in an abusive situation as well. 102 00:05:31,592 --> 00:05:34,464 I kept getting approached to do modeling jobs, 103 00:05:34,551 --> 00:05:35,987 and I realized I can make, you know, 104 00:05:36,118 --> 00:05:38,033 some good money doing this. 105 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,689 It was weird to me to be valued for my beauty 106 00:05:41,819 --> 00:05:45,127 because I'd never felt pretty at all. 107 00:05:45,257 --> 00:05:48,435 One photographer that I met said, 108 00:05:48,522 --> 00:05:51,873 "Would you please consider modeling 109 00:05:52,003 --> 00:05:54,049 for me to send in some pictures to 'Playboy'?" 110 00:05:54,179 --> 00:05:58,053 And I did do bathing suit modeling, 111 00:05:58,140 --> 00:06:00,403 and they sent in some test shots to "Playboy," 112 00:06:00,490 --> 00:06:02,274 and "Playboy" wrote back and said, 113 00:06:02,362 --> 00:06:05,060 "Oh, yeah, we--we would love to see more of this girl." 114 00:06:05,190 --> 00:06:12,241 I did believe that what I was doing was wrong, 115 00:06:12,372 --> 00:06:13,634 but I thought, you know, God's gonna forgive me. 116 00:06:13,764 --> 00:06:15,200 I need this opportunity, 117 00:06:15,331 --> 00:06:18,813 - and I'll-- - I'll never be able to make this kind of money. 118 00:06:18,943 --> 00:06:21,119 This is my "Playboy" test shoot. 119 00:06:21,250 --> 00:06:23,774 I was scared to death 120 00:06:23,905 --> 00:06:25,689 and was so thankful 121 00:06:25,776 --> 00:06:27,474 I had so much hair to hide behind. 122 00:06:27,561 --> 00:06:31,695 I wasn't 18 when I started. 123 00:06:31,826 --> 00:06:35,656 When the centerfold came out, I was 18 124 00:06:35,743 --> 00:06:40,225 because they had to wait until I turned 18. 125 00:06:40,356 --> 00:06:42,314 "Turn-ons--diamonds and furs, 126 00:06:42,402 --> 00:06:45,361 vintage champagne, faster horses, 127 00:06:45,492 --> 00:06:47,494 traveling and going home." 128 00:06:47,581 --> 00:06:51,149 I'll tell you, I was highly coached on this data sheet 129 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:55,371 on sounding fast and racy and sexy. 130 00:06:55,458 --> 00:06:57,025 [birds chirping] 131 00:06:57,155 --> 00:07:00,028 In 1983, I was staying at the Playboy Mansion. 132 00:07:00,115 --> 00:07:02,639 It was that time of the year 133 00:07:02,770 --> 00:07:04,598 where somebody's gonna be chosen soon 134 00:07:04,685 --> 00:07:06,600 for Playmate of the Year. 135 00:07:06,687 --> 00:07:11,256 It was all very intimidating and really new. 136 00:07:11,343 --> 00:07:15,347 I felt safe in my room, and that's where I stayed. 137 00:07:15,435 --> 00:07:18,786 With Hef, he was telling me, 138 00:07:18,916 --> 00:07:21,353 "Susie, I've heard that you're nervous 139 00:07:21,484 --> 00:07:22,964 and that you've been staying in your room, 140 00:07:23,094 --> 00:07:27,055 but I want you to know it's safe here, 141 00:07:27,185 --> 00:07:30,667 and I want you to know that you can do anything you want. 142 00:07:30,798 --> 00:07:32,974 If there's anything you want to experiment with, 143 00:07:33,104 --> 00:07:35,542 then you just need to let us know 144 00:07:35,629 --> 00:07:37,718 because we want you to be safe." 145 00:07:37,805 --> 00:07:42,070 That was kind, and I did. 146 00:07:42,157 --> 00:07:46,422 I felt safe at that moment. 147 00:07:46,553 --> 00:07:48,250 Me and another Playmate of the Month 148 00:07:48,337 --> 00:07:51,601 were in a bedroom down the hall from Hef's, 149 00:07:51,732 --> 00:07:55,431 and of course we were talking about Playmate of the Year. 150 00:07:55,518 --> 00:07:59,174 And she's like, you know, "Well, if you're so worried about it, 151 00:07:59,261 --> 00:08:02,830 then why don't you just walk down the hall and talk to Hef?" 152 00:08:02,917 --> 00:08:06,660 She literally pushed me out the door of the bedroom 153 00:08:06,790 --> 00:08:09,837 and towards his bedroom down the hall. 154 00:08:09,967 --> 00:08:12,970 And then I knocked on the door, and he said, "Who is it?" 155 00:08:13,101 --> 00:08:15,059 And I said, "It's Susie. Susie Scott." 156 00:08:15,190 --> 00:08:18,193 And he said, "Susie, come--come in." 157 00:08:18,323 --> 00:08:21,936 And I'm like, oh, good. I'm not bothering him. 158 00:08:22,066 --> 00:08:23,720 He gave me a hug, 159 00:08:23,807 --> 00:08:26,244 and he said, "You look very stressed. What's wrong?" 160 00:08:26,375 --> 00:08:27,855 I said, "Oh, I'm just... got a lot of my mind, 161 00:08:27,985 --> 00:08:29,683 and I wanted to talk to you." 162 00:08:29,813 --> 00:08:33,730 I had my speech all ready. I was gonna ask him, you know, 163 00:08:33,861 --> 00:08:36,646 had he thought about Playmate of the Year, 164 00:08:36,777 --> 00:08:37,865 and to tell him, you know, 165 00:08:37,995 --> 00:08:41,042 I would commit myself as a spokesman, 166 00:08:41,172 --> 00:08:44,915 and I'm very good at it and well-read, 167 00:08:45,046 --> 00:08:48,397 even though I didn't finish even 10th grade. 168 00:08:48,484 --> 00:08:51,835 He goes, "Well, let me just give you something to calm you down." 169 00:08:51,966 --> 00:08:56,971 And he gave me a pill and a soda, and I just took it, 170 00:08:57,058 --> 00:09:00,061 not thinking much about it. 171 00:09:00,148 --> 00:09:03,891 You know, at first, it didn't dawn on me that it was a drug. 172 00:09:04,021 --> 00:09:05,936 You know, at first, you're thinking, 173 00:09:06,067 --> 00:09:10,158 somebody's giving you a Tylenol or an Advil. 174 00:09:10,288 --> 00:09:14,075 And then I thought, okay, what did I just take? 175 00:09:14,162 --> 00:09:15,555 I didn't even ask. 176 00:09:19,384 --> 00:09:21,082 I don't remember laying down. 177 00:09:21,212 --> 00:09:25,652 I don't remember if I even said anything to him 178 00:09:25,739 --> 00:09:28,263 about Playmate of the Year. 179 00:09:28,393 --> 00:09:33,224 I woke up with him on top of me. 180 00:09:33,311 --> 00:09:37,315 He was naked, and my, um, pants were off. 181 00:09:37,402 --> 00:09:40,318 My pajama bottoms were off. 182 00:09:40,449 --> 00:09:45,106 I thought that I was having a nightmare 183 00:09:45,236 --> 00:09:49,501 because it didn't seem possible. 184 00:09:49,632 --> 00:09:53,767 I thought I was reliving the last time 185 00:09:53,897 --> 00:09:58,902 that my grandfather had done this to me, and... 186 00:09:59,033 --> 00:10:02,906 Ugh. [chuckles] 187 00:10:03,037 --> 00:10:07,998 This old man with his mouth gaping open was a real thing. 188 00:10:08,129 --> 00:10:10,827 He was a real person. It was Hefner. 189 00:10:10,958 --> 00:10:14,483 He looked like Satan. He looked like Satan. 190 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:17,225 He just looked so... 191 00:10:17,312 --> 00:10:21,708 cr-- just a creep, just a creep. 192 00:10:21,838 --> 00:10:24,798 He honestly had the same look 193 00:10:24,885 --> 00:10:27,061 that my grandfather had when he did it. 194 00:10:27,191 --> 00:10:29,541 I can't tell you. 195 00:10:29,672 --> 00:10:33,458 There must be like some common demon that gets in 196 00:10:33,589 --> 00:10:37,854 and looks the same because it was eerie. It was just eerie. 197 00:10:37,985 --> 00:10:43,164 ♪ 198 00:10:43,251 --> 00:10:45,819 Maybe I was one of the few who he had not slept with, 199 00:10:45,949 --> 00:10:48,343 and maybe he didn't like that. 200 00:10:48,430 --> 00:10:54,305 I pushed him off of me, and I think it made him mad. 201 00:10:54,436 --> 00:10:56,438 When I went back to my bedroom, 202 00:10:56,568 --> 00:11:01,443 all I wanted to do was just lay back down, cry, think. 203 00:11:01,530 --> 00:11:05,708 And I... 204 00:11:05,795 --> 00:11:07,318 I just remember, 205 00:11:07,449 --> 00:11:11,932 I've got to tell somebody. I've got to tell somebody. 206 00:11:16,806 --> 00:11:18,112 Every man out there is, you know, 207 00:11:18,199 --> 00:11:18,808 wishing they could live your life, but... 208 00:11:18,939 --> 00:11:20,201 I know. I know. 209 00:11:20,331 --> 00:11:21,811 ...wondering how the hell you do it. 210 00:11:21,898 --> 00:11:23,639 Yeah. Well, part of it's being 211 00:11:23,726 --> 00:11:25,859 very straightforward and honest about it. 212 00:11:25,989 --> 00:11:27,643 See, I think one of the great curses 213 00:11:27,730 --> 00:11:29,950 and--and one of the great immoralities in-- 214 00:11:30,037 --> 00:11:32,300 in, uh, in sexuality 215 00:11:32,387 --> 00:11:34,955 is the lying, the cheating, the hypocrisy. 216 00:11:35,042 --> 00:11:36,957 ♪ 217 00:11:37,044 --> 00:11:39,220 When I came to "Playboy," 218 00:11:39,350 --> 00:11:42,919 I thought that doing the centerfold 219 00:11:43,050 --> 00:11:45,356 was kind of like getting my power back. 220 00:11:45,443 --> 00:11:52,233 I had it for a moment, but it was taken right back. 221 00:11:52,363 --> 00:11:55,062 This thing that happened with Hef 222 00:11:55,149 --> 00:12:00,154 set me back a long way. 223 00:12:00,241 --> 00:12:05,637 The next morning, I was so ashamed, 224 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:08,771 I wanted to just die. 225 00:12:08,858 --> 00:12:12,949 This whole thing-- it had to be a secret, 226 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,559 a secret that I had to, you know, 227 00:12:14,646 --> 00:12:18,607 like, see all the time. 228 00:12:18,694 --> 00:12:20,740 You know, I looked up at that hallway, 229 00:12:20,870 --> 00:12:22,437 and you know, I'd think about it, 230 00:12:22,524 --> 00:12:24,308 but then I'd have to put that smile on. 231 00:12:24,395 --> 00:12:27,268 And when I saw Hef, you know, give him a hug. 232 00:12:27,355 --> 00:12:31,402 He never mentioned it. - He--He-- - He... 233 00:12:31,489 --> 00:12:37,278 The only explanation is that he was hiding it from me 234 00:12:37,408 --> 00:12:41,543 to make me doubt that it happened maybe, 235 00:12:41,673 --> 00:12:45,677 to make me forget about it. 236 00:12:45,765 --> 00:12:48,289 But you don't forget. 237 00:12:51,118 --> 00:12:52,684 Never. 238 00:12:52,772 --> 00:12:55,122 Never. 239 00:12:55,252 --> 00:12:57,646 I believe it was a Quaalude 240 00:12:57,733 --> 00:13:02,956 because I've been told what it feels like to take a Quaalude. 241 00:13:03,043 --> 00:13:08,352 I just don't remember falling asleep. 242 00:13:08,439 --> 00:13:11,791 When I was there, Hef would carry the Quaaludes 243 00:13:11,878 --> 00:13:14,402 in a wadded-up Kleenex in his pocket, 244 00:13:14,532 --> 00:13:17,666 and I saw him offer it to people all the time. 245 00:13:17,753 --> 00:13:20,800 See, look at how he's hovering over girls 246 00:13:20,887 --> 00:13:22,584 and just kissing at will. 247 00:13:22,714 --> 00:13:25,239 He touched all the girls. He would touch their breasts. 248 00:13:25,369 --> 00:13:27,763 He thinks that he owns everybody's breasts. 249 00:13:29,765 --> 00:13:31,985 There was a night that Hef told me 250 00:13:32,072 --> 00:13:36,380 we were going to go for a little walk. 251 00:13:36,467 --> 00:13:40,820 He took me down the hall, and he got a key out, 252 00:13:40,907 --> 00:13:43,953 and he told me it was a skeleton key. 253 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,826 And I go, "What do you mean?" 254 00:13:46,913 --> 00:13:49,785 And he said, "Well, you think I wouldn't have a key 255 00:13:49,872 --> 00:13:53,180 that would open every room in this house?" 256 00:13:53,267 --> 00:13:57,749 And that's the night I learned that he used it at will. 257 00:13:57,837 --> 00:14:03,277 He opened the door on a girl who was sleeping, 258 00:14:03,407 --> 00:14:06,933 and he went inside 259 00:14:07,020 --> 00:14:09,370 and sat down at the bed with her. 260 00:14:09,500 --> 00:14:12,155 And...at that point, I'm just frozen. 261 00:14:12,242 --> 00:14:14,941 I... I didn't know what to do. 262 00:14:15,028 --> 00:14:20,076 And she kept saying no. 263 00:14:20,207 --> 00:14:23,253 I blocked it the minute she said no, 264 00:14:23,384 --> 00:14:26,430 and he continued and forced himself on her. 265 00:14:26,561 --> 00:14:28,432 I was standing there, and I was terrified, 266 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:31,348 but I can't see it. 267 00:14:31,435 --> 00:14:33,960 And...all these years, I mean, 268 00:14:34,090 --> 00:14:37,137 does she think I'm a monster because of it? 269 00:14:37,267 --> 00:14:40,880 I'm sorry. I didn't... 270 00:14:40,967 --> 00:14:45,667 I'm sorry I didn't do anything to stop it. 271 00:14:45,797 --> 00:14:49,758 And he told me, uh, when we were heading back to the master, 272 00:14:49,845 --> 00:14:51,673 uh, he said to me... [sniffles] 273 00:14:51,803 --> 00:14:54,458 "Well, did they think that they were gonna 274 00:14:54,545 --> 00:14:56,417 come stay in my house and not sleep with me?" 275 00:14:56,504 --> 00:14:57,548 [sniffles] 276 00:14:57,635 --> 00:15:00,987 Whether they consented or not, 277 00:15:01,074 --> 00:15:04,033 if he wanted something, he would take it. 278 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,992 ♪ 279 00:15:06,079 --> 00:15:10,126 He rifled through so many decades of young girls. 280 00:15:10,257 --> 00:15:13,086 REPORTER: How many girlfriends have you had? 281 00:15:13,216 --> 00:15:15,915 In total? I have no idea. I don't know. 282 00:15:16,002 --> 00:15:18,004 But you keep a record, as I understand. 283 00:15:18,091 --> 00:15:20,180 Yes, but I've never counted up the numbers. Uh... 284 00:15:20,267 --> 00:15:22,617 - Hundreds? - Yes. 285 00:15:22,747 --> 00:15:24,010 Many more than hundreds, yes. 286 00:15:24,140 --> 00:15:25,446 Thousands? 287 00:15:25,533 --> 00:15:27,578 Well, certainly over a thousand, I'm sure. 288 00:15:27,709 --> 00:15:29,450 Hef liked the girls young, 289 00:15:29,537 --> 00:15:31,843 and he liked them from a broken family, 290 00:15:31,931 --> 00:15:33,454 or there wasn't a father involved 291 00:15:33,584 --> 00:15:35,325 because then he could impress them 292 00:15:35,412 --> 00:15:38,285 and, uh, control them more 293 00:15:38,415 --> 00:15:40,374 because they would be more likely 294 00:15:40,504 --> 00:15:44,639 to want to please him or please his friends. 295 00:15:48,121 --> 00:15:50,471 I wanted to tell somebody I trusted 296 00:15:50,558 --> 00:15:52,908 and then have them tell me what to do. 297 00:15:52,995 --> 00:15:58,087 So I told Marilyn, who was - the editor-- - Marilyn Grabowski. 298 00:15:58,218 --> 00:15:59,610 She said, "Oh, that's all? 299 00:15:59,741 --> 00:16:02,787 - Don't-- - Don't let it bother you. 300 00:16:02,918 --> 00:16:06,530 It's nothing. It's nothing. He won't even remember it." 301 00:16:06,617 --> 00:16:08,402 [scoffs] 302 00:16:08,489 --> 00:16:11,709 And I'm like... [chuckles] "But I will never forget it." 303 00:16:11,796 --> 00:16:14,843 She goes, "Just don't even think about it anymore. 304 00:16:14,930 --> 00:16:17,585 Just do what you know. Do your work. 305 00:16:17,672 --> 00:16:19,935 It's not a big deal." 306 00:16:23,330 --> 00:16:25,071 [sighs] 307 00:16:25,158 --> 00:16:29,989 And then I never-- just never talked about it. 308 00:16:30,119 --> 00:16:35,516 I started getting very, very, very thin. 309 00:16:35,646 --> 00:16:38,562 I think I probably got down to 90. 310 00:16:38,693 --> 00:16:41,304 ♪ 311 00:16:41,391 --> 00:16:46,005 Of course he sent Mary to say, "Hef is so worried about you. 312 00:16:46,135 --> 00:16:50,052 And you know, we would really like to have you see a doctor. 313 00:16:50,183 --> 00:16:52,141 And, uh, we just want you to know we care." 314 00:16:52,228 --> 00:16:55,362 Mary O'Connor was his instrument 315 00:16:55,449 --> 00:16:58,800 for doing all the legal things properly. 316 00:16:58,930 --> 00:17:03,326 He had to pretend to care. 317 00:17:03,413 --> 00:17:08,375 I was just completely depressed. 318 00:17:08,462 --> 00:17:11,030 I didn't feel of value. 319 00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:23,651 Many of the girls wanted to tell you their problems. 320 00:17:23,781 --> 00:17:26,393 I think I was mostly bothered by the sadness. 321 00:17:28,786 --> 00:17:35,793 Hefner enjoyed taking these fresh girls and breaking them. 322 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,144 Dorothy Stratten--this is his Playmate of the Year. 323 00:17:38,231 --> 00:17:40,624 She looks beautiful. 324 00:17:40,711 --> 00:17:44,715 Look how happy she is. She's on top of the world right there. 325 00:17:44,802 --> 00:17:49,242 She was the ultimate Playmate, Dorothy was. 326 00:17:49,329 --> 00:17:51,940 She had it all, all in one package. 327 00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:54,377 To look at her now in the footage, 328 00:17:54,508 --> 00:17:56,118 she was so sweet. 329 00:17:56,205 --> 00:17:58,816 I mean, you could not help but love her. 330 00:17:58,947 --> 00:18:03,995 Dorothy Stratten was the most perfect Playmate 331 00:18:04,083 --> 00:18:08,130 to ever enter the Playboy world. 332 00:18:08,217 --> 00:18:12,787 She was... 333 00:18:12,874 --> 00:18:14,223 magnificent. 334 00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:16,747 ♪ 335 00:18:16,878 --> 00:18:19,010 Then after all these years, 336 00:18:19,141 --> 00:18:21,752 what we have left of her 337 00:18:21,883 --> 00:18:27,018 are photos of what once was. 338 00:18:27,106 --> 00:18:31,849 Thousands of girls come through it, 339 00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:33,329 through the Mansion, through the magazine, 340 00:18:33,416 --> 00:18:35,244 thousands of them, and they don't get murdered, 341 00:18:35,331 --> 00:18:39,030 - but one did-- - Dorothy Stratten. 342 00:18:39,118 --> 00:18:43,339 There are many documentaries on Dorothy's death. 343 00:18:43,470 --> 00:18:44,949 REPORTER: Dorothy Stratten, 20 years old 344 00:18:45,036 --> 00:18:46,342 from Vancouver, Canada, 345 00:18:46,473 --> 00:18:48,170 was on her way to becoming a celebrity. 346 00:18:48,257 --> 00:18:52,218 Brutally murdered by her deranged husband. 347 00:18:52,348 --> 00:18:55,482 "Playboy" magazine's 1980 Playmate of the Year 348 00:18:55,612 --> 00:18:57,484 has been found shot to death, 349 00:18:57,614 --> 00:18:59,225 killed apparently by her estranged husband 350 00:18:59,312 --> 00:19:01,444 who then killed himself. 351 00:19:01,531 --> 00:19:04,491 But that's not the whole story 352 00:19:04,578 --> 00:19:06,928 of Dorothy's experience at Playboy. 353 00:19:07,015 --> 00:19:08,625 ♪ 354 00:19:08,756 --> 00:19:11,324 With Dorothy, I believe that 355 00:19:11,411 --> 00:19:16,677 Hefner certainly didn't act in a gentlemanly way. 356 00:19:22,073 --> 00:19:24,380 I was very awkward. I had a-- growing up, you know, 357 00:19:24,467 --> 00:19:27,427 very skinny and no shape and just... 358 00:19:27,514 --> 00:19:31,648 [laughs] 359 00:19:31,735 --> 00:19:33,737 - No shape? - -No, I was just-- - I'm tall. 360 00:19:33,824 --> 00:19:35,696 You must have had a good year and a bad year then. 361 00:19:35,783 --> 00:19:38,438 - It all happened in one year. - One year? 362 00:19:38,525 --> 00:19:41,658 And that's when I was found by "Playboy." [laughs] 363 00:19:41,789 --> 00:19:44,618 Dorothy Stratten ascended 364 00:19:44,705 --> 00:19:48,926 Hugh Hefner's cult-like structure very rapidly. 365 00:19:49,013 --> 00:19:54,280 She went from a Bunny working at Century City 366 00:19:54,367 --> 00:19:58,762 to Playmate of the Month, then Playmate of the Year. 367 00:19:58,849 --> 00:20:05,378 And then the next step was going to be a respected actress. 368 00:20:05,465 --> 00:20:08,468 The magazine layouts were an important stepping-stone, 369 00:20:08,555 --> 00:20:10,861 and soon she was a guest on "The Tonight Show." 370 00:20:10,948 --> 00:20:13,864 Hefner--he particularly wanted her 371 00:20:13,951 --> 00:20:15,953 because he knew 372 00:20:16,084 --> 00:20:18,521 that she had the potential to be a big star. 373 00:20:18,608 --> 00:20:20,480 I don't know of any other Playmate 374 00:20:20,567 --> 00:20:23,874 that I've had the feeling would have been a big star 375 00:20:23,961 --> 00:20:27,269 more than I thought Dorothy would. 376 00:20:27,356 --> 00:20:29,532 She was in a situation similar to mine, really, 377 00:20:29,619 --> 00:20:34,145 with a man that was controlling her. 378 00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:37,497 Paul Snider was a low-life pimp. 379 00:20:37,584 --> 00:20:42,153 When she was 18, her boyfriend, Paul Snider, 380 00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:44,982 sent her pictures to Hefner. 381 00:20:45,069 --> 00:20:49,378 I was working at the Mansion 382 00:20:49,465 --> 00:20:52,903 when the limousine brought her up. 383 00:20:52,990 --> 00:20:56,907 She said, "I've just come from Canada. 384 00:20:56,994 --> 00:21:00,302 Can you tell me where Mr. Hefner is?" 385 00:21:00,389 --> 00:21:05,046 And that was the beginning of the end for her. 386 00:21:05,133 --> 00:21:07,309 She was into the system. 387 00:21:07,396 --> 00:21:13,837 At the Mansion, the process was, you first meet Hefner, 388 00:21:13,924 --> 00:21:16,144 you have sex with him, 389 00:21:16,231 --> 00:21:19,974 and then he passes you around to his friends. 390 00:21:20,061 --> 00:21:24,587 You don't violate this order of sexual activity, 391 00:21:24,674 --> 00:21:29,331 but Dorothy-- she broke the rules. 392 00:21:29,462 --> 00:21:33,248 When Dorothy first came to the Mansion, 393 00:21:33,379 --> 00:21:36,904 Hefner thought that she'd slept with Patrick Curtis. 394 00:21:37,034 --> 00:21:41,430 His name to fame was he was in "Gone with the Wind," 395 00:21:41,517 --> 00:21:43,258 and that's how he parlayed himself 396 00:21:43,345 --> 00:21:46,609 with all the girls at the Playmate Mansion. 397 00:21:46,696 --> 00:21:49,786 Hefner was very angry. 398 00:21:49,873 --> 00:21:53,355 This is like a town in the Old West 399 00:21:53,442 --> 00:21:57,228 where every girl in town is the Sheriff's girl, 400 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,013 and you're told, 401 00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:00,884 "You don't want to mess with the Sheriff's girl." 402 00:22:00,971 --> 00:22:02,625 He wanted her for himself, 403 00:22:02,712 --> 00:22:05,280 could not understand why he couldn't get her. 404 00:22:05,411 --> 00:22:09,676 How did she pay for it? 405 00:22:09,763 --> 00:22:12,200 With her being brutalized. 406 00:22:14,071 --> 00:22:17,466 Early on in her time at the Mansion, 407 00:22:17,597 --> 00:22:22,297 I and another security guard were outside the grotto. 408 00:22:22,428 --> 00:22:24,473 We heard her screaming. 409 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,825 We peered around, and we witnessed it. 410 00:22:28,912 --> 00:22:32,829 There was a ledge around the grotto. 411 00:22:32,916 --> 00:22:38,966 Hefner propped her up, and he started to rape her anally, 412 00:22:39,053 --> 00:22:40,794 and she was screaming. 413 00:22:40,881 --> 00:22:42,622 ♪ 414 00:22:42,752 --> 00:22:46,582 After we witnessed it, the security guard told me-- 415 00:22:46,669 --> 00:22:48,497 he whispered in my ear-- 416 00:22:48,584 --> 00:22:51,457 I should go back into the butler's pantry 417 00:22:51,544 --> 00:22:53,937 and keep my mouth shut. 418 00:22:54,024 --> 00:22:57,201 And that's what I did. 419 00:22:57,288 --> 00:22:59,726 You had to follow the rules. 420 00:22:59,813 --> 00:23:04,992 You had to be discreet, be quiet, carry on. 421 00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:08,430 Nobody was going to come forward 422 00:23:08,517 --> 00:23:12,303 because nobody wanted Hefner to come after you. 423 00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:17,221 In the old days, it was like, well, who are you? 424 00:23:17,308 --> 00:23:19,136 You're just after his money. 425 00:23:19,223 --> 00:23:21,400 That was always the thing. You're after his money. 426 00:23:21,487 --> 00:23:22,836 And they would side with, 427 00:23:22,923 --> 00:23:24,664 you know, the most powerful person. 428 00:23:24,751 --> 00:23:27,231 There was an inequality there. 429 00:23:27,318 --> 00:23:30,974 It's pretty sad for me just to relive this. 430 00:23:31,105 --> 00:23:34,325 And I'm sorry. 431 00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:41,594 So please feel free to cut and edit it out any sadness. 432 00:23:41,681 --> 00:23:47,991 She confided in me the pain she was feeling inside. 433 00:23:48,078 --> 00:23:51,255 She was hollow. Her eyes were distant. 434 00:23:51,386 --> 00:23:54,041 She didn't engage with you anymore 435 00:23:54,128 --> 00:23:55,782 in that personable way, 436 00:23:55,869 --> 00:23:59,568 the way she did when she first came from Canada. 437 00:23:59,655 --> 00:24:02,484 Mr. Hefner wanted to stay in control. 438 00:24:02,571 --> 00:24:04,878 It's the old story. 439 00:24:04,965 --> 00:24:07,837 He started out as a very liberal, 440 00:24:07,924 --> 00:24:10,318 modern-thinking writer 441 00:24:10,405 --> 00:24:12,712 when he started putting the magazine together 442 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:15,802 in Chicago on his kitchen table. 443 00:24:15,932 --> 00:24:20,894 And then by the time he got to Hollywood, everything changed. 444 00:24:20,981 --> 00:24:23,810 He became a typical rich guy 445 00:24:23,897 --> 00:24:28,118 using his money to buy women, to control women. 446 00:24:28,249 --> 00:24:34,037 Hefner thought that if he could abuse her over and over again 447 00:24:34,124 --> 00:24:36,823 against her wishes, 448 00:24:36,953 --> 00:24:39,347 that he could get control of her. 449 00:24:47,050 --> 00:24:51,011 Dorothy Stratten was devastated. 450 00:24:51,141 --> 00:24:53,230 She was psychically destroyed. 451 00:24:53,361 --> 00:24:57,234 It was too much for her. 452 00:24:57,321 --> 00:24:59,454 Her body was breaking down. 453 00:24:59,585 --> 00:25:01,587 - She-- - She couldn't-- She couldn't help herself. 454 00:25:01,717 --> 00:25:04,328 She wasn't sleeping. She wasn't--wasn't well. 455 00:25:04,459 --> 00:25:09,072 While she was waiting for her centerfold to come out, 456 00:25:09,203 --> 00:25:11,422 Paul Schneider coerced her into marrying him 457 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:13,120 because he wanted her money. 458 00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:14,948 He wanted that fame. 459 00:25:15,078 --> 00:25:20,606 The marriage lasted less than a year, and they separated. 460 00:25:20,736 --> 00:25:22,999 Paul was clawing at her. 461 00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:27,438 He was losing her. He knew it, so she needed a protector. 462 00:25:27,569 --> 00:25:29,658 She needed protection from everyone. 463 00:25:29,789 --> 00:25:33,053 Dorothy met Peter Bogdanovich at the Mansion, 464 00:25:33,183 --> 00:25:36,317 and like many men who met her, 465 00:25:36,404 --> 00:25:38,275 he fell in love at first sight. 466 00:25:38,406 --> 00:25:44,194 Bagdanovich told me about Hefner forcing himself on Dorothy 467 00:25:44,281 --> 00:25:47,110 in the Jacuzzi part of the grotto, in the grotto. 468 00:25:47,241 --> 00:25:50,070 [sniffles] He told me that. He told me. 469 00:25:50,157 --> 00:25:53,639 Dorothy was naive in many ways, very innocent, 470 00:25:53,769 --> 00:25:58,121 believed what people said, believed the whole Playboy hype. 471 00:25:58,252 --> 00:26:01,690 Found herself, when she got to Hollywood, 472 00:26:01,777 --> 00:26:05,346 found herself maneuvered by Hefner 473 00:26:05,476 --> 00:26:09,872 into a sexual situation that, uh, she found very shocking, 474 00:26:09,959 --> 00:26:12,048 and, in fact, it traumatized her. 475 00:26:12,135 --> 00:26:15,835 There was nothing in the relationship with Dorothy, 476 00:26:15,922 --> 00:26:20,883 with Playboy or with me that I am less than proud of. 477 00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:22,885 There is a strong possibility that there's truth, 478 00:26:23,016 --> 00:26:27,063 in that allegation that 479 00:26:27,150 --> 00:26:30,110 Dorothy Stratten was raped by Hef, 480 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,157 I don't have reason not to believe it anymore. 481 00:26:34,288 --> 00:26:40,033 If you had told me that before...my experience, 482 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:43,079 I would've said no, no, definitely not. 483 00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:45,821 I think Hef thought he deserved it. 484 00:26:45,952 --> 00:26:48,998 [sighs] 485 00:26:49,129 --> 00:26:54,308 And I don't know what kind of mentality or psyche 486 00:26:54,438 --> 00:26:56,527 would cause a man to think that. 487 00:26:56,658 --> 00:27:02,098 But for some reason, I think he felt he deserved 488 00:27:02,185 --> 00:27:03,926 anything he felt he needed or wanted 489 00:27:04,013 --> 00:27:06,712 from anybody that was in his home. 490 00:27:06,842 --> 00:27:11,064 ♪ 491 00:27:11,151 --> 00:27:14,067 See how happy? Look at that. 492 00:27:14,197 --> 00:27:17,461 Now, if that happened to her, how could she be that happy? 493 00:27:17,592 --> 00:27:20,856 - It was-- - It was all playacting. 494 00:27:20,987 --> 00:27:23,467 It was all his movie 495 00:27:23,598 --> 00:27:26,340 and his script down to the day he died. 496 00:27:26,427 --> 00:27:31,301 It was not long after that she was murdered. 497 00:27:31,432 --> 00:27:33,652 It was so devastating to all of us. 498 00:27:33,739 --> 00:27:38,134 They underestimated Paul. 499 00:27:38,221 --> 00:27:41,572 Peter Bogdanovich-- he wanted to date her. 500 00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:43,444 He wanted to sleep with her. 501 00:27:43,574 --> 00:27:47,056 Paul Snider became aware of it, 502 00:27:47,143 --> 00:27:48,884 and he went crazy, 503 00:27:49,015 --> 00:27:53,454 even trying to jam his car through the front gates. 504 00:27:53,541 --> 00:27:56,500 So it became this, uh, intense triangle, 505 00:27:56,587 --> 00:27:58,851 and it ended in disaster. 506 00:27:58,981 --> 00:28:01,680 According to police reports, 507 00:28:01,810 --> 00:28:05,596 Snider blew off his wife's face with a 12-gauge shotgun 508 00:28:05,727 --> 00:28:08,817 before turning the powerful weapon on himself. 509 00:28:08,948 --> 00:28:11,298 Earlier in the evening, 510 00:28:11,385 --> 00:28:14,605 before the knowledge of Dorothy's death, 511 00:28:14,736 --> 00:28:16,259 there was a new girl, 512 00:28:16,390 --> 00:28:19,654 and Hefner thought she was super cute 513 00:28:19,741 --> 00:28:22,613 and wanted me to get information on her. 514 00:28:22,701 --> 00:28:26,792 The day that Dorothy was killed, the day she was murdered, 515 00:28:26,879 --> 00:28:30,056 when I finally had gone home, changed, and came back, 516 00:28:30,186 --> 00:28:32,580 one of the first things he asked me was, 517 00:28:32,711 --> 00:28:35,452 "Did you get that new girl's number?" 518 00:28:35,539 --> 00:28:40,544 I remember thinking, wow, it was just so self-centered. 519 00:28:40,675 --> 00:28:44,810 It really was Hef's world. 520 00:28:44,897 --> 00:28:49,858 Hugh Hefner--he never wanted Dorothy to have any power. 521 00:28:49,989 --> 00:28:52,556 He never wanted a woman to become so powerful 522 00:28:52,687 --> 00:28:54,689 that he couldn't control her. 523 00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:56,691 And it was so wrong 524 00:28:56,822 --> 00:28:59,694 and so against what he espoused to everyone. 525 00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:02,262 I mean, all about protecting women 526 00:29:02,392 --> 00:29:04,568 and non-exploitation, all that, 527 00:29:04,699 --> 00:29:07,658 that was nothing but garbage. 528 00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:11,532 We treat them, uh, as the record will rather clearly show, 529 00:29:11,662 --> 00:29:13,490 in a rather first-rate way. 530 00:29:13,621 --> 00:29:16,842 ♪ 531 00:29:16,929 --> 00:29:22,021 He was so good at making you feel 532 00:29:22,108 --> 00:29:25,720 like you were the only thing in the world 533 00:29:25,851 --> 00:29:28,810 and the most beautiful thing in the world, 534 00:29:28,941 --> 00:29:31,813 until the next Playmate came along, 535 00:29:31,944 --> 00:29:41,083 and he didn't care if you were broken, uh, anorexic, addicted. 536 00:29:41,170 --> 00:29:44,304 I heard about the Dorothy Stratten story. 537 00:29:44,434 --> 00:29:47,655 I never read Peter Bogdanovich's book when I was at the Mansion, 538 00:29:47,786 --> 00:29:49,831 because at that time I still had 539 00:29:49,962 --> 00:29:51,746 my rose-colored glasses on about Hef, 540 00:29:51,833 --> 00:29:53,356 and you generally don't want to read things 541 00:29:53,487 --> 00:29:56,664 about somebody you care about that are negative. 542 00:29:56,751 --> 00:29:59,232 But I decided to read the book right before my book came out, 543 00:29:59,362 --> 00:30:02,322 and it really hit me. 544 00:30:02,452 --> 00:30:04,628 I always thought that Dorothy was somebody 545 00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:06,543 I'd never be able to relate to 546 00:30:06,674 --> 00:30:10,330 because she was always presented as this goddess. 547 00:30:10,417 --> 00:30:14,116 But when I read the book, 548 00:30:14,203 --> 00:30:19,687 I was really just creeped out by how similar everything was. 549 00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:22,081 Everything that happened back in her day 550 00:30:22,168 --> 00:30:25,519 was so...mirrored what was going on in the early 2000s. 551 00:30:28,043 --> 00:30:30,350 This is a poem by Dorothy Stratten. 552 00:30:30,437 --> 00:30:35,311 "It's here, everything, 553 00:30:35,442 --> 00:30:40,621 everything anyone ever dreamed of and more, but love is lost. 554 00:30:40,751 --> 00:30:44,059 The only sacrifice to live in this heaven, 555 00:30:44,190 --> 00:30:49,412 this Disneyland where people are the games." 556 00:30:49,543 --> 00:30:51,719 - That-- - That describes it. 557 00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:58,030 - I-- - I've never heard it described more...perfectly. 558 00:31:00,206 --> 00:31:03,731 [sighs] It makes me feel really bad. 559 00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:10,129 So many of those people aren't with us anymore 560 00:31:10,259 --> 00:31:13,697 by their own choosing 561 00:31:13,784 --> 00:31:16,657 because they felt like that, and they realized it. 562 00:31:16,744 --> 00:31:19,355 They found out that people are the games. 563 00:31:19,486 --> 00:31:30,236 And one man got people to want to play his games with us. 564 00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:38,113 ♪ 565 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,988 Hugh Hefner held himself out as this big lover, this bon vivant, 566 00:31:43,075 --> 00:31:46,382 you know, this person that-- that every man wanted to be. 567 00:31:46,513 --> 00:31:48,558 And here he was the lowest 568 00:31:48,645 --> 00:31:52,127 and the most vilest scum on earth. 569 00:31:52,258 --> 00:31:55,304 I think he hated women underneath it all. 570 00:31:55,391 --> 00:32:03,008 I've spoken to enough people, interviewed enough that-- 571 00:32:03,095 --> 00:32:05,749 that just seems to be the only conclusion I can come up to. 572 00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:10,754 People would ask me, "Why did you keep going back? 573 00:32:10,885 --> 00:32:15,324 Why did you keep going back?" 574 00:32:15,455 --> 00:32:20,373 And I just-- I just think it was complete, 575 00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:24,290 you want him not to have ruined your life 576 00:32:24,377 --> 00:32:27,249 by also taking your employment. 577 00:32:27,336 --> 00:32:32,167 And I also thought he probably had cameras 578 00:32:32,254 --> 00:32:33,647 in his room, you know? 579 00:32:35,257 --> 00:32:38,913 It haunted me that he might have a video of me 580 00:32:39,044 --> 00:32:41,176 when he was on top of me. 581 00:32:41,263 --> 00:32:45,485 I pray that because I was unconscious, 582 00:32:45,572 --> 00:32:49,968 he would not show it to anyone because it's illegal. 583 00:32:50,055 --> 00:32:53,754 My saving thought is that he had to have destroyed it 584 00:32:53,841 --> 00:32:58,237 because he's showing himself committing a crime. 585 00:32:58,324 --> 00:33:00,326 And he had tapes on everybody. 586 00:33:00,413 --> 00:33:04,330 Anybody that walked into that bedroom, disrobed, 587 00:33:04,417 --> 00:33:07,550 they have a tape on them. They had a tape on them. 588 00:33:07,637 --> 00:33:11,206 They knew they were there, and it kept everybody in line. 589 00:33:11,293 --> 00:33:13,121 They were fearful of it. - What if-- - What if they got out? 590 00:33:13,252 --> 00:33:15,515 What if somebody saw them? 591 00:33:17,299 --> 00:33:20,476 I didn't get over what-- what happened in that bedroom. 592 00:33:20,563 --> 00:33:22,478 [sighs] 593 00:33:22,565 --> 00:33:28,397 I was disappointed in myself that I... 594 00:33:28,484 --> 00:33:32,619 put myself in the position that he could have had access to me. 595 00:33:32,706 --> 00:33:37,841 I had tried so hard for so long to not be the stereotype. 596 00:33:37,928 --> 00:33:43,586 We all wanted to be the perfect girl, 597 00:33:43,673 --> 00:33:46,546 not the messed up girl, you know? 598 00:33:49,549 --> 00:33:52,726 [chuckles] Yeah, who walks around naked. 599 00:33:52,856 --> 00:33:54,510 [scoffs] 600 00:33:54,597 --> 00:33:59,515 But... I'm better than what happened to me. 601 00:33:59,602 --> 00:34:02,257 I'm valued. I'm loved. 602 00:34:02,344 --> 00:34:07,088 I'm very much expecting to go to heaven. 603 00:34:07,175 --> 00:34:14,226 And I very much think that I'm now safe in my home. 604 00:34:16,402 --> 00:34:19,579 ♪ 605 00:34:19,709 --> 00:34:21,842 10 years after I broke up with Hef, 606 00:34:21,929 --> 00:34:24,453 I had managed to get married, 607 00:34:24,584 --> 00:34:26,673 and I was a mom, 608 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,808 and my life looked pretty nice on visual. 609 00:34:31,895 --> 00:34:33,549 I really loved being a mom. 610 00:34:33,636 --> 00:34:36,683 [voice breaking] I loved being a mom. 611 00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:39,164 ♪ 612 00:34:39,251 --> 00:34:42,776 For a long time, I spoke highly of Playboy. 613 00:34:42,863 --> 00:34:46,171 I could not have told anybody the truth. 614 00:34:46,258 --> 00:34:50,000 Every Easter we would come up for the Easter egg hunt 615 00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:52,002 'cause it was family-oriented. 616 00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:58,313 I had pushed everything so back so that my life could be normal. 617 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,229 I realized that when it started getting dusk, 618 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,014 it was like something inside me, a panic would start, 619 00:35:04,102 --> 00:35:07,496 and then I-I would want a glass of wine or something. 620 00:35:07,627 --> 00:35:09,846 I needed to buff out whatever was coming, 621 00:35:09,933 --> 00:35:14,590 and that's when thoughts would, like--like a Rolodex of pictures 622 00:35:14,677 --> 00:35:16,810 just going... [makes whirring sound] 623 00:35:16,897 --> 00:35:19,508 And things I had never thought about for years, 624 00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,511 moments that I wish had never happened, 625 00:35:22,642 --> 00:35:24,252 I'd get a flash. 626 00:35:24,339 --> 00:35:28,474 ♪ 627 00:35:30,563 --> 00:35:33,348 And the only way to fix that would be have a glass of wine, 628 00:35:33,435 --> 00:35:36,569 have a glass of wine, and then I could numb it. 629 00:35:36,656 --> 00:35:38,658 I didn't have to think about it. 630 00:35:38,745 --> 00:35:43,750 And I feel bad for my part in it that I could actually 631 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,797 ask girls to go upstairs and have some cocaine with me. 632 00:35:47,884 --> 00:35:51,714 - And I was-- - I was reeling them in for him, 633 00:35:51,801 --> 00:35:55,022 and believe me, I... 634 00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:58,112 if I could take it back, I would take it all back. 635 00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:00,810 ♪ 636 00:36:00,941 --> 00:36:05,119 I had this demon after me. 637 00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:08,731 I realized that I have to take what happened to me 638 00:36:08,818 --> 00:36:13,693 and make something good come out of it in the end. 639 00:36:16,739 --> 00:36:18,393 We can look at these. 640 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,658 In 2011, Miki and I started talking, 641 00:36:22,745 --> 00:36:25,835 and once our eyes were open, there was no turning back. 642 00:36:25,922 --> 00:36:29,883 You wrote me this--this incredible, touching letter. 643 00:36:29,970 --> 00:36:33,582 What was so important to you was about the sex tape. 644 00:36:33,669 --> 00:36:35,541 - Yes. - Right. 645 00:36:35,628 --> 00:36:38,848 I told Miki, you know, I'm worried about these tapes 646 00:36:38,935 --> 00:36:40,894 and what--what's gonna happen to them. 647 00:36:40,981 --> 00:36:42,548 He was in his 80s. 648 00:36:42,635 --> 00:36:44,637 I mean, he could kick the bucket at any time. 649 00:36:44,767 --> 00:36:46,160 That's correct. 650 00:36:46,247 --> 00:36:48,336 And then who would have that key 651 00:36:48,423 --> 00:36:52,210 to open that panel and get to those tapes? 652 00:36:52,297 --> 00:36:55,082 - We were working against time. - Yeah. 653 00:36:55,169 --> 00:36:58,868 We started a letter-writing campaign in 2011. 654 00:36:58,955 --> 00:37:01,219 She helped me write the letters. 655 00:37:01,306 --> 00:37:04,309 And I think Miki and I were the first ones 656 00:37:04,396 --> 00:37:07,703 to just in his face, go after him about the tapes. 657 00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:09,531 We orchestrated this whole game plan 658 00:37:09,618 --> 00:37:12,099 of if a tape got out, 659 00:37:12,186 --> 00:37:16,930 we would hold Hef and/or Playboy accountable. 660 00:37:22,196 --> 00:37:25,591 You deserved an answer, and by God, we got it. 661 00:37:25,721 --> 00:37:28,550 Miki and I were the first one to nail him on the--on the tapes. 662 00:37:28,637 --> 00:37:31,945 We started a letter-writing campaign. 663 00:37:32,032 --> 00:37:35,165 We caught one of Hef's lawyers saying one thing 664 00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:37,516 and Hef saying another thing. 665 00:37:37,603 --> 00:37:39,561 That's when we had him. 666 00:37:39,648 --> 00:37:41,998 We had him, and he had-- he was forced 667 00:37:42,129 --> 00:37:45,132 to give us his last words on those tapes, 668 00:37:45,219 --> 00:37:48,396 and we know what happened to them. 669 00:37:48,483 --> 00:37:52,531 In the end, we got Hugh Hefner's last words. 670 00:37:52,618 --> 00:37:54,750 Yeah. 671 00:37:54,837 --> 00:37:56,709 On what happened to the sex tapes. Didn't we? 672 00:37:56,796 --> 00:37:58,928 Yeah. 673 00:37:59,015 --> 00:38:01,235 We were told that it would be taken care of, 674 00:38:01,322 --> 00:38:04,020 that Mary was in charge. 675 00:38:04,107 --> 00:38:07,285 And if anything happened to him, she knew what to do. 676 00:38:09,330 --> 00:38:11,724 That she was going to destroy the tapes. 677 00:38:11,811 --> 00:38:13,769 I do have reason to believe 678 00:38:13,856 --> 00:38:17,295 that one of the video department heads had a boat, 679 00:38:17,382 --> 00:38:19,688 and they put all of those video tapes, 680 00:38:19,819 --> 00:38:21,342 after they had been pulled from their cases, 681 00:38:21,473 --> 00:38:24,954 were then put in a barrel and taken to sea. 682 00:38:25,041 --> 00:38:26,565 That's what I was told was done with them, 683 00:38:26,652 --> 00:38:30,525 and I-I had reason to believe that was true. 684 00:38:30,612 --> 00:38:34,268 Even then, I didn't believe that he would destroy all of them. 685 00:38:34,355 --> 00:38:38,185 - He just-- - His ego would not destroy all the tapes. 686 00:38:39,708 --> 00:38:41,580 No, no. 687 00:38:41,667 --> 00:38:44,670 Even after all our letters, there was no apology from him. 688 00:38:44,757 --> 00:38:46,628 You'd get a pat on the back. 689 00:38:46,715 --> 00:38:50,415 "Don't worry. It'll all be okay." 690 00:38:50,502 --> 00:38:53,853 But no, he didn't apologize for anything. 691 00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:57,291 Hefner never wanted us to be friends, right? 692 00:38:57,422 --> 00:38:59,337 - Yeah. - And so then... 693 00:38:59,424 --> 00:39:00,642 Because you were crazy and dangerous. 694 00:39:00,729 --> 00:39:02,165 - I was crazy and dangerous. - Yeah. 695 00:39:02,252 --> 00:39:03,253 And now you've become crazy and dangerous. [laughs] 696 00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:04,342 Now we're both crazy and dangerous. 697 00:39:04,429 --> 00:39:05,952 All right. 698 00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:10,826 Miki has been there for me through so many things 699 00:39:10,913 --> 00:39:12,959 that I didn't have the support of my family, 700 00:39:13,046 --> 00:39:16,354 I didn't have the encouragement. 701 00:39:16,441 --> 00:39:22,142 To find Sondra after so many years in 2011, 702 00:39:22,229 --> 00:39:25,711 it was like striking gold, really. [laughs] 703 00:39:25,798 --> 00:39:27,539 All right. 704 00:39:29,715 --> 00:39:36,069 I didn't meet P.J. until... I think it was 2016. 705 00:39:36,156 --> 00:39:38,724 She asked me to partner with her in this group 706 00:39:38,811 --> 00:39:43,119 that she started, The Iconic Women of Playboy. 707 00:39:43,206 --> 00:39:47,167 She supported Sondra and I. She put herself out on a limb, 708 00:39:47,254 --> 00:39:49,517 and this is a woman who survived 709 00:39:49,648 --> 00:39:53,129 a brutal rape by Bill Cosby, Hefner's best friend. 710 00:39:53,216 --> 00:39:55,349 So it's the Bunny Mother, 711 00:39:55,436 --> 00:39:57,482 the Director of Playboy Promotions, 712 00:39:57,569 --> 00:39:59,527 and the girlfriend of Hefner's. 713 00:39:59,614 --> 00:40:01,834 It's the first time ever 714 00:40:01,921 --> 00:40:05,098 that all of these worlds collided together. 715 00:40:05,185 --> 00:40:07,230 - - - Hello? - Hi, Miki. It's P.J. 716 00:40:07,317 --> 00:40:09,624 Hi, P.J. 717 00:40:09,711 --> 00:40:14,063 In the end, we're just damn lucky we got out of there 718 00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:15,935 as normal as we could be... [laughs] 719 00:40:16,022 --> 00:40:18,633 because not one of us is normal. Not one of us. 720 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:22,855 It may be too late to do much about us, 721 00:40:22,942 --> 00:40:25,423 but that shouldn't stop us. 722 00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:28,687 I'm sure with this documentary, 723 00:40:28,774 --> 00:40:30,645 there's gonna be a lot of women 724 00:40:30,732 --> 00:40:32,342 that have come out of the woodwork with stories 725 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:35,998 that we haven't heard about yet. 726 00:40:36,085 --> 00:40:40,873 I hope that by coming out with this that maybe other girls 727 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,266 can say, finally, you know, 728 00:40:43,353 --> 00:40:45,573 they acknowledge that there was wrong 729 00:40:45,660 --> 00:40:47,270 and maybe they can let go of that nightmare. 730 00:40:47,357 --> 00:40:50,056 I think women are getting a bit smarter. 731 00:40:50,143 --> 00:40:53,494 I think they'll smell the rat. 732 00:40:53,581 --> 00:40:57,193 Now is the time. We've got Me Too and Time's Up. 733 00:40:57,324 --> 00:40:58,673 For God's sakes, 734 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,980 it's time for the Playboy women to come forward. 735 00:41:01,067 --> 00:41:05,375 It's amazing that nobody ever talked 736 00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:07,290 among their selves about it. 737 00:41:07,377 --> 00:41:10,250 I think Hef just knew we wouldn't 738 00:41:10,337 --> 00:41:13,949 because we sort of were suspicious of each other, 739 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,082 but it's gotta be told. 740 00:41:16,169 --> 00:41:20,390 I can't really explain to you 741 00:41:20,478 --> 00:41:22,610 how strong the feeling was in me 742 00:41:22,697 --> 00:41:24,351 that I needed to get my story out, 743 00:41:24,438 --> 00:41:28,094 so I wouldn't feel bound to be living this lie 744 00:41:28,181 --> 00:41:30,879 where I constantly have to apologize for him 745 00:41:30,966 --> 00:41:33,447 or say he's great or say things were great 746 00:41:33,534 --> 00:41:34,753 when I was there, when they weren't. 747 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,061 I don't have a problem with speaking the truth. 748 00:41:39,148 --> 00:41:42,369 If people can't handle the truth, I don't know what to say. 749 00:41:42,456 --> 00:41:46,634 Coming forward, I think will be a cleansing for me. 750 00:41:46,721 --> 00:41:49,158 It's very difficult to think of all my skeletons 751 00:41:49,245 --> 00:41:52,335 in everybody's living room right now. 752 00:41:52,422 --> 00:41:55,164 Nobody wants to reveal their secrets, 753 00:41:55,251 --> 00:41:57,297 but I wanted to make a difference. 754 00:41:57,384 --> 00:41:59,517 It's got to make a difference. 755 00:41:59,604 --> 00:42:03,433 I'm hurt. 756 00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:05,871 And I can't be alone in this pain. 757 00:42:05,958 --> 00:42:07,612 I know I'm not. 758 00:42:07,699 --> 00:42:11,180 There are too many of us, and I want to write some of it. 759 00:42:11,267 --> 00:42:14,923 I want it to go away, and eventually, maybe it will. 760 00:42:15,054 --> 00:42:17,752 If enough women tell me that it helped, 761 00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:19,493 maybe it will go away. 762 00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:23,018 ♪ 763 00:42:23,105 --> 00:42:26,500 Every man in the world would say, "I want to be Hugh Hefner." 764 00:42:26,587 --> 00:42:30,373 They thought he had the good life. 765 00:42:30,460 --> 00:42:38,381 Hefner was a sexual predator that didn't care who he damaged. 766 00:42:38,468 --> 00:42:43,212 It was all about his power and his prestige. 767 00:42:43,299 --> 00:42:46,868 We pulled the curtain back, Wizard. 768 00:42:46,955 --> 00:42:50,263 We know who you are. 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