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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,878 --> 00:00:11,707 All right. Let's get started. 2 00:00:13,056 --> 00:00:14,318 Okay. Yeah, I think I need to 3 00:00:14,362 --> 00:00:16,842 fix my eyeliner a little bit though. 4 00:00:20,194 --> 00:00:26,156 5 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,115 Take two 6 00:00:31,901 --> 00:00:36,297 It's really hard to separate how the Playboy world 7 00:00:36,340 --> 00:00:39,082 affected how I feel about the way I look 8 00:00:39,126 --> 00:00:41,911 and just what's authentic to me. 9 00:00:41,954 --> 00:00:44,087 People might think, "Oh, you must have felt great 10 00:00:44,131 --> 00:00:46,568 'cause you were on TV and you were famous." 11 00:00:46,611 --> 00:00:48,744 They think that I should have known 12 00:00:48,787 --> 00:00:51,094 exactly what I was getting into. 13 00:00:51,138 --> 00:00:53,444 Like, "Whoa, you're stepping into a cult there." 14 00:00:53,488 --> 00:00:55,620 But I absolutely did not. 15 00:00:55,664 --> 00:00:58,406 In my early 20s, I didn't realize 16 00:00:58,449 --> 00:01:02,323 that getting into the Playboy world was a dangerous choice. 17 00:01:06,979 --> 00:01:08,416 My name is Hugh Hefner. 18 00:01:08,459 --> 00:01:10,157 I'm editor/publisher of "Playboy" magazine. 19 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,115 When Hugh Hefner was just 27, 20 00:01:12,159 --> 00:01:14,509 he fashioned himself and "Playboy" 21 00:01:14,552 --> 00:01:16,815 as the face of sexual liberation. 22 00:01:16,859 --> 00:01:18,295 Playboy is one of 23 00:01:18,339 --> 00:01:20,428 the most famous brand names in the world. 24 00:01:20,471 --> 00:01:22,082 I would like to be remembered as somebody 25 00:01:22,125 --> 00:01:23,953 who played some positive part 26 00:01:23,996 --> 00:01:26,695 in changing the social, sexual values of my time. 27 00:01:28,175 --> 00:01:32,353 I believe that Hef pulled one over on the whole world. 28 00:01:32,396 --> 00:01:34,355 The fantasy of Playboy that he created 29 00:01:34,398 --> 00:01:37,793 did not allow for the consent of the women. 30 00:01:39,011 --> 00:01:40,752 When it came to Hefner's buddies, 31 00:01:40,796 --> 00:01:43,015 you had to keep those secrets quiet. 32 00:01:43,059 --> 00:01:44,713 What have you got for free? 33 00:01:44,756 --> 00:01:46,802 When you get someone that powerful, 34 00:01:46,845 --> 00:01:49,152 anything could happen. Anything. 35 00:01:49,196 --> 00:01:50,893 The people who were really there, 36 00:01:50,936 --> 00:01:52,634 they're the ones who know the real truth. 37 00:01:52,677 --> 00:01:54,244 I want to be a voice 38 00:01:54,288 --> 00:01:57,204 for the women that suffered the most at his hands. 39 00:02:09,216 --> 00:02:10,652 ♪ Come on-a my house 40 00:02:10,695 --> 00:02:12,393 ♪ To my house 41 00:02:12,436 --> 00:02:15,613 ♪ I'm gonna give you candy 42 00:02:15,657 --> 00:02:17,180 ♪ Hey 43 00:02:17,224 --> 00:02:19,835 ♪ Come on-a my house, my house, a-come on ♪ 44 00:02:22,794 --> 00:02:25,014 This was the episode where, when I saw it, 45 00:02:25,057 --> 00:02:27,756 I thought I was so fat in it 46 00:02:27,799 --> 00:02:30,367 because I always felt like I had to watch, 47 00:02:30,411 --> 00:02:33,153 like, every tiny little thing about my appearance. 48 00:02:34,937 --> 00:02:37,853 I was one of Hugh Hefner's multiple girlfriends, 49 00:02:37,896 --> 00:02:40,508 and I starred in a show called "The Girls Next Door." 50 00:02:41,770 --> 00:02:43,337 I feel like, on "Girls Next Door," 51 00:02:43,380 --> 00:02:46,688 Hef was portrayed as like a kindly grandpa. 52 00:02:46,731 --> 00:02:49,212 That's not how he is. 53 00:02:49,256 --> 00:02:54,348 It would make me so angry how manipulative he was. 54 00:02:54,391 --> 00:02:57,438 Hef controlled every aspect of our life. 55 00:02:57,481 --> 00:03:00,441 And after I left the Mansion, 56 00:03:00,484 --> 00:03:04,096 I can't really explain to you 57 00:03:04,140 --> 00:03:06,142 how strong the feeling was in me 58 00:03:06,186 --> 00:03:08,057 that I needed to get my story out. 59 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:10,407 She has a new book out that is making waves 60 00:03:10,451 --> 00:03:11,756 and upsetting Hef. 61 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,628 It's called " 62 00:03:13,671 --> 00:03:15,630 Curious Adventures and Cautionary Tales 63 00:03:15,673 --> 00:03:17,545 of a Former Playboy Bunny." 64 00:03:19,590 --> 00:03:21,331 You know, I think when I came out with my story, 65 00:03:21,375 --> 00:03:25,422 a lot of people were really hostile toward it. 66 00:03:25,466 --> 00:03:27,903 They would say, "Oh, you're talking all this [bleep]. 67 00:03:27,946 --> 00:03:31,254 You were so happy there. You loved being there." 68 00:03:31,298 --> 00:03:34,344 Because so many people who are part of that Playboy world, 69 00:03:34,388 --> 00:03:35,824 they don't want anything tarnishing 70 00:03:35,867 --> 00:03:37,913 like that golden bubble in their life. 71 00:03:42,265 --> 00:03:45,094 I knew Hugh Hefner for 44 years. 72 00:03:46,878 --> 00:03:48,619 He was the one that walked me down the aisle 73 00:03:48,663 --> 00:03:50,317 when I got married to Joel. 74 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,798 I had 27 years at the Mansion. 75 00:03:53,842 --> 00:03:56,714 God love Holly, I hope she has a wonderful life. 76 00:03:56,758 --> 00:03:59,891 But what she did in her book was a complete affront to Hef 77 00:03:59,935 --> 00:04:01,937 and everything he stood for. 78 00:04:01,980 --> 00:04:03,808 She seemed like she really liked him, 79 00:04:03,852 --> 00:04:05,723 that she really cared about him. 80 00:04:05,767 --> 00:04:08,944 I don't know why she would write a book like that. 81 00:04:10,598 --> 00:04:13,253 People want to villainize women in these situations. 82 00:04:14,863 --> 00:04:18,083 But I had so much belief in myself before I met Hef. 83 00:04:18,127 --> 00:04:20,869 And then it was just shattered. 84 00:04:22,610 --> 00:04:26,831 I want people to know why I felt like I couldn't leave 85 00:04:26,875 --> 00:04:30,618 and why I chose to get in that situation in the first place. 86 00:04:35,579 --> 00:04:37,364 We Playmates have the secret to happiness. 87 00:04:37,407 --> 00:04:38,800 The secret that brings you 88 00:04:38,843 --> 00:04:40,889 the world's most beautiful women. 89 00:04:40,932 --> 00:04:42,673 And their outrageous video--free. 90 00:04:42,717 --> 00:04:44,153 Free? 91 00:04:44,196 --> 00:04:45,676 Is this like a lamp you rub or something? 92 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,157 No, it's Playboy. 93 00:04:50,507 --> 00:04:52,814 Growing up, they used to have, 94 00:04:52,857 --> 00:04:55,730 believe it or not, Playboy commercials on TV, 95 00:04:55,773 --> 00:04:57,906 and they would show videos of these women 96 00:04:57,949 --> 00:05:00,474 and they were always, like, so flattering. 97 00:05:00,517 --> 00:05:03,303 And I was like, "Wow, I want to look like that." 98 00:05:04,695 --> 00:05:06,567 Ever since I was a kid, 99 00:05:06,610 --> 00:05:08,438 I've had a really difficult time 100 00:05:08,482 --> 00:05:10,179 connecting with other people. 101 00:05:11,572 --> 00:05:13,487 I grew up in a very, very small town in Alaska, 102 00:05:13,530 --> 00:05:17,491 basically, you know, living in the woods at certain points. 103 00:05:17,534 --> 00:05:19,319 Every couple years, we would move, 104 00:05:19,362 --> 00:05:21,016 I'd be introduced to a new place. 105 00:05:21,059 --> 00:05:24,585 I never really felt like I fit in there. 106 00:05:24,628 --> 00:05:27,588 I'm also not quite neurotypical, 107 00:05:27,631 --> 00:05:29,807 which I was only recently diagnosed. 108 00:05:29,851 --> 00:05:31,635 Like, obviously, I've been that way my whole life. 109 00:05:31,679 --> 00:05:36,336 But a few years back, my ex called my mom. 110 00:05:36,379 --> 00:05:38,076 He was like, "So I can't connect with her. 111 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:39,730 Like, what is wrong with her? Blah, blah, blah." 112 00:05:39,774 --> 00:05:44,344 And she was like, "Well, you know, 113 00:05:44,387 --> 00:05:46,389 I'm pretty sure she has Asperger's." 114 00:05:46,433 --> 00:05:48,043 And then I'm like looking it up 115 00:05:48,086 --> 00:05:49,392 and like talking to my doctor about it. 116 00:05:49,436 --> 00:05:52,874 I'm like, "Oh, this is 100% me, 100%." 117 00:05:54,528 --> 00:05:56,747 And I've just kind of been looking back 118 00:05:56,791 --> 00:06:00,272 and seeing everything through that lens now. 119 00:06:00,316 --> 00:06:03,450 And I think I was drawn to try to be in the spotlight 120 00:06:03,493 --> 00:06:07,454 because I felt like if I could be famous, 121 00:06:07,497 --> 00:06:08,672 that would be a shortcut 122 00:06:08,716 --> 00:06:10,152 to feeling a connection with people 123 00:06:10,195 --> 00:06:12,807 because we feel connected to celebrities. 124 00:06:12,850 --> 00:06:15,244 125 00:06:15,287 --> 00:06:19,683 I was very much attracted to like the Anna Nicole Smiths, 126 00:06:19,727 --> 00:06:21,250 who was a supermodel at the time, 127 00:06:21,293 --> 00:06:23,383 and the Jenny McCarthys 128 00:06:23,426 --> 00:06:25,341 who was like the It girl on MTV 129 00:06:25,385 --> 00:06:27,387 and the Pamela Andersons who was like-- 130 00:06:27,430 --> 00:06:29,693 she was the biggest TV star at the time. 131 00:06:29,737 --> 00:06:31,521 And kind of this common denominator you notice 132 00:06:31,565 --> 00:06:33,393 is they all started out as Playmates. 133 00:06:33,436 --> 00:06:36,004 It made a lot of sense to infer that, 134 00:06:36,047 --> 00:06:37,440 "Oh, if I start out at Playboy, 135 00:06:37,484 --> 00:06:39,529 I could end up like that too because they did." 136 00:06:39,573 --> 00:06:41,618 137 00:06:41,662 --> 00:06:43,359 The next time I encountered 138 00:06:43,403 --> 00:06:45,230 anything from the Playboy world 139 00:06:45,274 --> 00:06:47,972 was when I moved to California, 140 00:06:48,016 --> 00:06:51,933 I was working for Hawaiian Tropic as a model. 141 00:06:51,976 --> 00:06:55,458 Mark Saginor, Hef's personal doctor at the time, 142 00:06:55,502 --> 00:06:58,113 was at one of the Hawaiian Tropic contests 143 00:06:58,156 --> 00:07:01,856 and he extended an invitation to a Playboy party 144 00:07:01,899 --> 00:07:04,946 to all the women participating. 145 00:07:06,513 --> 00:07:08,558 I was really excited to go because, at the time, 146 00:07:08,602 --> 00:07:11,082 the Playboy parties were really, really exclusive. 147 00:07:11,126 --> 00:07:13,607 You saw celebrities everywhere. 148 00:07:15,217 --> 00:07:17,524 You saw Playmates you recognized from the magazine. 149 00:07:18,742 --> 00:07:20,135 And of course, I saw Hef. 150 00:07:22,877 --> 00:07:25,967 At that point, everybody was giving him a ton of attention 151 00:07:26,010 --> 00:07:27,577 because he was going out to nightclubs 152 00:07:27,621 --> 00:07:30,014 several times a week with seven girlfriends. 153 00:07:30,058 --> 00:07:32,539 - These are my girlfriends. - Every one of them 154 00:07:32,582 --> 00:07:34,497 is your girlfriend? - Yes. 155 00:07:34,541 --> 00:07:37,065 The image I got of Hef and his girlfriends 156 00:07:37,108 --> 00:07:40,329 was one of a revolving door. 157 00:07:40,372 --> 00:07:42,940 The women would come in, they would all get centerfolds. 158 00:07:42,984 --> 00:07:44,855 Some of them would move on to better things. 159 00:07:44,899 --> 00:07:46,944 And it just seemed like everyone was happy with that. 160 00:07:46,988 --> 00:07:49,077 161 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,906 And then in summer of 2001, 162 00:07:51,949 --> 00:07:55,562 I got invited to the pool parties that they would have 163 00:07:55,605 --> 00:07:57,520 on Sundays at the Playboy Mansion, 164 00:07:57,564 --> 00:08:00,871 and I just saw this really wholesome atmosphere. 165 00:08:00,915 --> 00:08:03,091 It was really surprising. 166 00:08:03,134 --> 00:08:05,528 The whole social circle at the Mansion 167 00:08:05,572 --> 00:08:10,751 just seemed like such a happy little family of friends. 168 00:08:10,794 --> 00:08:12,579 So for somebody who has a horrible time 169 00:08:12,622 --> 00:08:14,102 connecting with other people 170 00:08:14,145 --> 00:08:15,799 to kind of fall into this place 171 00:08:15,843 --> 00:08:19,237 that feels like a little community instantly 172 00:08:19,281 --> 00:08:21,196 is very attractive. 173 00:08:22,850 --> 00:08:26,331 On Sundays, she would sit there two or three chairs down 174 00:08:26,375 --> 00:08:28,072 from where we would play backgammon. 175 00:08:28,116 --> 00:08:30,292 I remember her talking to Alison and asking her, 176 00:08:30,335 --> 00:08:32,294 "How do I become a girlfriend?" 177 00:08:32,337 --> 00:08:35,602 Hef really didn't, like, pick her out. 178 00:08:35,645 --> 00:08:38,518 She basically, you know, came to him. 179 00:08:44,132 --> 00:08:45,742 I wasn't physically attracted to Hef, 180 00:08:45,786 --> 00:08:47,788 but I did find him very charming. 181 00:08:47,831 --> 00:08:50,051 And I feel like one of the reasons I was 182 00:08:50,094 --> 00:08:53,054 so able to buy into being able to have this relationship 183 00:08:53,097 --> 00:08:54,795 with an older person is I thought, 184 00:08:54,838 --> 00:08:56,536 "Well, I never like connected with guys my own age. 185 00:08:56,579 --> 00:08:58,668 "So maybe this is what's meant to happen. 186 00:08:58,712 --> 00:09:00,670 Maybe this is a better fit." 187 00:09:00,714 --> 00:09:03,412 188 00:09:03,455 --> 00:09:06,067 And in the amount of time I was going to parties there, 189 00:09:06,110 --> 00:09:08,069 which is about a year's worth of time, 190 00:09:08,112 --> 00:09:11,420 it was made obvious to me that I could join the group 191 00:09:11,463 --> 00:09:14,075 anytime I wanted through some of the other women. 192 00:09:14,118 --> 00:09:16,599 And of course, all the girls behind the scenes were saying 193 00:09:16,643 --> 00:09:17,644 they didn't really sleep with him 194 00:09:17,687 --> 00:09:19,254 and it's just all publicity. 195 00:09:19,297 --> 00:09:22,779 And I felt like that was probably the case. 196 00:09:22,823 --> 00:09:25,608 - Does he bang any of them? - Um... I don't know. 197 00:09:25,652 --> 00:09:27,349 You don't know? 198 00:09:27,392 --> 00:09:30,613 I thought living at the Mansion would be very cozy. 199 00:09:30,657 --> 00:09:32,136 I felt like it would be 200 00:09:32,180 --> 00:09:35,270 this really one-of-a-kind amazing sorority. 201 00:09:37,011 --> 00:09:39,187 People always want to point to the money and the luxury 202 00:09:39,230 --> 00:09:41,624 and--you know, that was fine. 203 00:09:41,668 --> 00:09:44,235 But what really attracted me 204 00:09:44,279 --> 00:09:46,020 was the sense of having a community 205 00:09:46,063 --> 00:09:47,587 and a support system. 206 00:09:47,630 --> 00:09:52,766 And people don't recognize how alluring that can be. 207 00:09:55,507 --> 00:09:58,380 The first night I went out with Hef and the girls, 208 00:09:58,423 --> 00:10:00,425 I just kind of had it in my mind that, 209 00:10:00,469 --> 00:10:01,992 you know, I was gonna see what happened, 210 00:10:02,036 --> 00:10:03,254 and if I wasn't comfortable with it, 211 00:10:03,298 --> 00:10:05,648 I didn't have to do anything. 212 00:10:05,692 --> 00:10:09,391 You know, we went out to a nightclub. 213 00:10:09,434 --> 00:10:11,523 I was sitting next to Hef, and he leaned over 214 00:10:11,567 --> 00:10:14,309 and he asked me if I wanted to take a Quaalude. 215 00:10:16,050 --> 00:10:17,747 I said something like, "No, I don't do drugs." 216 00:10:17,791 --> 00:10:20,228 And he goes, "Yeah, I typically don't either. 217 00:10:20,271 --> 00:10:21,359 "But, you know, they used to call these 218 00:10:21,403 --> 00:10:22,839 thigh openers in the '70s." 219 00:10:22,883 --> 00:10:24,580 I just thought it was really weird. 220 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,325 That night, I drank a lot 'cause I was nervous. 221 00:10:30,368 --> 00:10:31,848 Back at the house, 222 00:10:31,892 --> 00:10:35,809 after I ended up going upstairs with them... 223 00:10:44,295 --> 00:10:46,428 I don't really wanna talk about it. 224 00:11:04,446 --> 00:11:05,839 There was definitely no, 225 00:11:05,882 --> 00:11:07,492 like, romance or seduction 226 00:11:07,536 --> 00:11:08,972 or anything like that. 227 00:11:11,235 --> 00:11:13,063 It was dark in the room. 228 00:11:13,107 --> 00:11:16,676 But there was a giant movie screen of porn 229 00:11:16,719 --> 00:11:18,852 in front of the bed. 230 00:11:18,895 --> 00:11:21,463 He was in the middle of the bed. 231 00:11:21,506 --> 00:11:23,117 And then the women were surrounding him, 232 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,901 but they're all backlit. 233 00:11:28,122 --> 00:11:32,213 I'd never had casual sex with anybody before. 234 00:11:32,256 --> 00:11:35,477 I feel like I was kind of really asexual. 235 00:11:37,261 --> 00:11:39,394 So maybe I just wasn't ready for that? 236 00:11:39,437 --> 00:11:41,831 237 00:11:41,875 --> 00:11:45,617 It was all very mechanical and robotic, 238 00:11:45,661 --> 00:11:49,056 and you would kind of follow the other women's lead. 239 00:11:50,448 --> 00:11:53,974 And it was really gross to me 240 00:11:54,017 --> 00:11:56,890 how Hef didn't wanna use use protection. 241 00:11:56,933 --> 00:12:01,503 242 00:12:01,546 --> 00:12:04,419 The impact it had on me was so heavy. 243 00:12:06,421 --> 00:12:08,771 I never expected to be 244 00:12:08,815 --> 00:12:11,556 the first person to have sex that night 245 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,603 or to be like pushed into it. 246 00:12:18,389 --> 00:12:20,391 The next morning, 247 00:12:20,435 --> 00:12:23,655 I definitely felt humiliated by the experience. 248 00:12:23,699 --> 00:12:25,875 But in the beginning, even after that night, 249 00:12:25,919 --> 00:12:29,270 like, I still had this idea and this fantasy of, like, 250 00:12:29,313 --> 00:12:31,185 all of us being like sorority sisters 251 00:12:31,228 --> 00:12:33,491 and we're all gonna get along. 252 00:12:33,535 --> 00:12:36,190 I think sometimes when you're not in control at all, 253 00:12:36,233 --> 00:12:38,888 you can lean into a bad situation more 254 00:12:38,932 --> 00:12:40,237 because you're almost fooling yourself 255 00:12:40,281 --> 00:12:42,587 by thinking you are in control. 256 00:12:42,631 --> 00:12:45,199 I think it's a trauma response. 257 00:12:45,242 --> 00:12:48,463 So I decided to move into the Mansion. 258 00:12:49,899 --> 00:12:52,989 Obviously, I told people, 'cause I moved, 259 00:12:53,033 --> 00:12:55,818 and I was just shocked at how everyone reacted. 260 00:12:55,862 --> 00:12:58,603 When you say you're like dating Hugh Hefner or whatever, 261 00:12:58,647 --> 00:13:01,432 people assume you're getting a money exchange for sex 262 00:13:01,476 --> 00:13:03,304 and they want to put you in a corner 263 00:13:03,347 --> 00:13:06,568 and, you know, call you a hooker or whatever. 264 00:13:06,611 --> 00:13:08,831 So I know there's that judgement out there. 265 00:13:08,875 --> 00:13:11,616 And I just immediately felt dirty 266 00:13:11,660 --> 00:13:14,141 and like I would be judged for the rest of my life 267 00:13:14,184 --> 00:13:16,491 for making this decision. 268 00:13:16,534 --> 00:13:18,928 And I never thought of it that way at all. 269 00:13:18,972 --> 00:13:21,496 I thought of myself as involved with one man. 270 00:13:21,539 --> 00:13:23,759 I did enjoy living at his house, 271 00:13:23,803 --> 00:13:27,154 but it wasn't in a direct exchange of money for sex 272 00:13:27,197 --> 00:13:28,590 or anything like that. 273 00:13:28,633 --> 00:13:30,853 I don't look down on sex workers. 274 00:13:30,897 --> 00:13:33,508 But it does bug me that people want to put me in that corner 275 00:13:33,551 --> 00:13:34,944 because I don't feel like 276 00:13:34,988 --> 00:13:37,904 I was even making that decision, really. 277 00:13:40,036 --> 00:13:44,258 I had unintentionally branded myself by moving in there. 278 00:13:44,301 --> 00:13:47,914 And if I thought my life was hard before, 279 00:13:47,957 --> 00:13:50,960 it was gonna be really hard if I left. 280 00:13:51,004 --> 00:13:52,266 And it made me just want to, like, 281 00:13:52,309 --> 00:13:53,876 turn the situation right somehow. 282 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,879 And I didn't know how to do that. 283 00:13:56,923 --> 00:13:59,795 ♪ We may be wrong but 284 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:02,450 ♪ We think you're wonderful ♪ 285 00:14:07,020 --> 00:14:10,197 At the Mansion, the indoctrination, I feel, 286 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,547 starts almost immediately when you're there 287 00:14:12,590 --> 00:14:15,463 and you start hearing about how wonderful Hef is 288 00:14:15,506 --> 00:14:18,379 from his circle of friends. 289 00:14:18,422 --> 00:14:22,035 Hef provided a stunning environment. 290 00:14:22,078 --> 00:14:25,255 He was a loving, decent, wonderful man, 291 00:14:25,299 --> 00:14:26,909 incredible friend. 292 00:14:26,953 --> 00:14:30,521 He is such a great man 293 00:14:30,565 --> 00:14:33,176 with such a great personality, 294 00:14:33,220 --> 00:14:35,135 and everyone was drawn to him. 295 00:14:35,178 --> 00:14:38,486 Hef was a gracious man. 296 00:14:38,529 --> 00:14:39,879 And he loved women. 297 00:14:39,922 --> 00:14:41,184 He loved them. 298 00:14:41,228 --> 00:14:43,752 He treated women with love 299 00:14:43,795 --> 00:14:46,668 and honor and respect. 300 00:14:46,711 --> 00:14:51,238 And I think that Hef always was a romanticist. 301 00:14:51,281 --> 00:14:53,153 I'm a romantic fool. 302 00:14:53,196 --> 00:14:56,243 I mean, I was raised in that impossible world 303 00:14:56,286 --> 00:14:59,159 where the words of the songs are true. 304 00:14:59,202 --> 00:15:00,943 And the romantic songs, the Cole Porter 305 00:15:00,987 --> 00:15:02,423 and the--you know, the Gershwin. 306 00:15:04,294 --> 00:15:05,774 So in the beginning, 307 00:15:05,817 --> 00:15:07,732 Hef is what you would now call a love bomber. 308 00:15:07,776 --> 00:15:10,735 He's somebody who tells you I love you almost immediately. 309 00:15:10,779 --> 00:15:13,434 He was always telling me, you know, how special I was 310 00:15:13,477 --> 00:15:15,305 and you're so giving for your age. 311 00:15:15,349 --> 00:15:17,264 And, you know, he really made me feel like 312 00:15:17,307 --> 00:15:19,527 I was special and rare. 313 00:15:21,442 --> 00:15:24,532 You had no idea you were being brainwashed. 314 00:15:24,575 --> 00:15:27,100 Now that's a little girl in love. 315 00:15:27,143 --> 00:15:28,710 I was in heaven. 316 00:15:30,103 --> 00:15:32,409 I was Hef's girlfriend in the '70s 317 00:15:32,453 --> 00:15:34,281 and early '80s for five years. 318 00:15:34,324 --> 00:15:35,804 319 00:15:35,847 --> 00:15:37,327 He liked the old movies, 320 00:15:37,371 --> 00:15:40,940 and it's like he would become a character 321 00:15:40,983 --> 00:15:45,553 and do the romantic things he saw in the movies. 322 00:15:45,596 --> 00:15:47,468 You know, he'd take me in his arms, 323 00:15:47,511 --> 00:15:50,862 and we'd dance around the game room. 324 00:15:50,906 --> 00:15:52,603 And he said, "You're the first girl 325 00:15:52,647 --> 00:15:56,738 I've liked enough to consider having a baby with." 326 00:15:56,781 --> 00:15:59,654 That was his romantic way. 327 00:15:59,697 --> 00:16:02,526 And people supported it. 328 00:16:02,570 --> 00:16:05,834 The secretaries or whatever-- they manipulated the girls. 329 00:16:05,877 --> 00:16:08,968 They--they spoke highly of him. 330 00:16:09,011 --> 00:16:10,795 He comes off, you know, caring and generous, 331 00:16:10,839 --> 00:16:12,623 especially when you see him in that atmosphere 332 00:16:12,667 --> 00:16:16,192 because he's providing this good time for all his friends. 333 00:16:16,236 --> 00:16:19,021 And, you know, they glow about him. 334 00:16:20,849 --> 00:16:22,329 And you just start to build this picture in your head 335 00:16:22,372 --> 00:16:25,549 of somebody who can really do no wrong. 336 00:16:25,593 --> 00:16:29,553 And now, looking back, on my time at Playboy, 337 00:16:29,597 --> 00:16:31,425 it reminds me of a cult. 338 00:16:40,390 --> 00:16:43,176 The reason I think the Mansion was very cultlike, 339 00:16:43,219 --> 00:16:44,916 looking back on it, 340 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:46,831 is because we were all 341 00:16:46,875 --> 00:16:48,833 kind of gaslit 342 00:16:48,877 --> 00:16:53,316 and expected to think of Hef as like this really good guy. 343 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,927 And you started to feel like, "Oh, he's not 344 00:16:55,971 --> 00:16:58,104 what they say in the media. He's just a nice man." 345 00:16:58,147 --> 00:17:00,062 346 00:17:00,106 --> 00:17:03,065 Another thing that reminds me of a cult is how it was so... 347 00:17:03,109 --> 00:17:05,720 easy to get isolated from the outside world there. 348 00:17:07,156 --> 00:17:09,115 You had a 9:00 curfew. 349 00:17:09,158 --> 00:17:13,119 You were encouraged to not have friends over. 350 00:17:13,162 --> 00:17:14,642 You weren't really allowed to leave 351 00:17:14,685 --> 00:17:16,470 unless it was like a family holiday. 352 00:17:16,513 --> 00:17:18,863 Are there are rules like can you have boyfriends at all? 353 00:17:18,907 --> 00:17:20,256 - No. - No. 354 00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:22,084 - You're not allowed to? - Hef is our boyfriend. 355 00:17:22,128 --> 00:17:23,433 How do you know when you're called to the master bedroom? 356 00:17:23,477 --> 00:17:25,218 Do you have nights? Yeah. 357 00:17:25,261 --> 00:17:27,524 The sex always happened kind of like the same time 358 00:17:27,568 --> 00:17:29,570 the same night. 359 00:17:29,613 --> 00:17:32,312 We would go out to a club every Wednesday and Friday, 360 00:17:32,355 --> 00:17:35,750 and that would be expected when we got home. 361 00:17:35,793 --> 00:17:37,665 I kept my waitressing job at just like one day a week 362 00:17:37,708 --> 00:17:40,929 because I wanted just to have something easy to go back to 363 00:17:40,972 --> 00:17:42,496 should things not work out. 364 00:17:42,539 --> 00:17:44,150 And he said it made him jealous 365 00:17:44,193 --> 00:17:47,022 and he would appreciate it if I quit my job. 366 00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:51,374 So instead, we were given $1,000 a week as an allowance. 367 00:17:52,636 --> 00:17:54,943 I know for a fact the rules she had to follow were true. 368 00:17:54,986 --> 00:17:56,684 You're imprisoned in that Playboy, like, 369 00:17:56,727 --> 00:17:59,382 you can't do your own thing 100%. 370 00:17:59,426 --> 00:18:02,342 When Hefner was married to Kimberley, 371 00:18:02,385 --> 00:18:06,911 I'd invited Kimberley to a Sunday lunch at my house, 372 00:18:06,955 --> 00:18:11,002 but she was not really allowed out of the Mansion. 373 00:18:11,046 --> 00:18:12,917 So she arrived with a bodyguard 374 00:18:12,961 --> 00:18:16,225 who was constantly on his telephone to Mr. Hefner. 375 00:18:16,269 --> 00:18:18,662 "She's going up the stairs. She's gone to the loo." 376 00:18:18,706 --> 00:18:20,969 And I was like, "Is this a joke?" 377 00:18:21,012 --> 00:18:24,755 And she's like, "No, this is--this is how it is." 378 00:18:24,799 --> 00:18:26,801 379 00:18:26,844 --> 00:18:28,672 I think in the very early first few months 380 00:18:28,716 --> 00:18:30,326 that I was there, 381 00:18:30,370 --> 00:18:32,328 even though not everything was to my liking, 382 00:18:32,372 --> 00:18:37,159 I felt like I hadn't given the situation enough of a chance. 383 00:18:37,203 --> 00:18:39,074 Love, love, love! 384 00:18:39,118 --> 00:18:41,598 So I tried really hard to follow all the rules. 385 00:18:41,642 --> 00:18:43,818 Welcome to the Playboy Mansion. 386 00:18:43,861 --> 00:18:45,428 I'm Holly, and I'm here to give you a tour. 387 00:18:45,472 --> 00:18:47,691 Come on with me. I'll show you the game house. 388 00:18:47,735 --> 00:18:51,130 I saw Holly try very hard 389 00:18:51,173 --> 00:18:53,262 to be like the lady of the Mansion. 390 00:18:53,306 --> 00:18:54,916 Every little boy's fantasy, 391 00:18:54,959 --> 00:18:57,179 a house devoted entirely to games. 392 00:18:57,223 --> 00:18:59,181 We have old video games, new ones. 393 00:18:59,225 --> 00:19:04,012 She really tried to get into the things that Hef got into. 394 00:19:04,055 --> 00:19:05,187 They had movie nights 395 00:19:05,231 --> 00:19:07,450 on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. 396 00:19:07,494 --> 00:19:09,148 1939. 397 00:19:09,191 --> 00:19:10,671 "Gone with the Wind." 398 00:19:12,542 --> 00:19:15,502 She'd be there, and she'd be very sweet to everybody. 399 00:19:17,243 --> 00:19:19,245 One thing about me that was different from the other women 400 00:19:19,288 --> 00:19:22,422 who lived there was I was really quiet. 401 00:19:22,465 --> 00:19:24,772 I just liked to stay in, 402 00:19:24,815 --> 00:19:26,513 and I loved watching the old movies 403 00:19:26,556 --> 00:19:28,515 that Hef showed on Friday and Saturdays. 404 00:19:28,558 --> 00:19:30,952 I liked going down to the buffet dinners 405 00:19:30,995 --> 00:19:32,171 and chatting with his friends 406 00:19:32,214 --> 00:19:33,868 or listening to them talk or whatever. 407 00:19:35,739 --> 00:19:37,698 The other girls, they were just there to party 408 00:19:37,741 --> 00:19:39,961 and have a good time. 409 00:19:40,004 --> 00:19:43,704 Holly was there to be a real presence 410 00:19:43,747 --> 00:19:46,968 in the Playboy Mansion. 411 00:19:47,011 --> 00:19:48,491 Holly just cared about Hef. 412 00:19:48,535 --> 00:19:50,276 413 00:19:50,319 --> 00:19:52,887 She was there to look after him. 414 00:19:52,930 --> 00:19:57,935 She was a good hostess to his guests. 415 00:19:57,979 --> 00:20:00,764 I thought she was right for him. 416 00:20:00,808 --> 00:20:03,985 Within the first few months, I went from being new 417 00:20:04,028 --> 00:20:07,989 to being like Hef's main girlfriend. 418 00:20:08,032 --> 00:20:10,209 I wasn't into the multiple girlfriend thing. 419 00:20:10,252 --> 00:20:12,515 It's not about them. It's just about 420 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:14,517 I would obviously rather be in a relationship 421 00:20:14,561 --> 00:20:16,345 where it's just me and one other person. 422 00:20:16,389 --> 00:20:19,783 I was expected to order his drinks for him 423 00:20:19,827 --> 00:20:22,264 and like always stand next to him in pictures 424 00:20:22,308 --> 00:20:24,788 and to move into his room. 425 00:20:24,832 --> 00:20:27,008 Now, what is it about Holly? 426 00:20:27,051 --> 00:20:29,097 Well, I think, despite the age disparity, 427 00:20:29,140 --> 00:20:30,577 I think she's an old soul. 428 00:20:30,620 --> 00:20:32,448 I think we have very common interests 429 00:20:32,492 --> 00:20:36,322 in terms of the way we enjoy spending our time. 430 00:20:36,365 --> 00:20:37,584 She loves old classic films, 431 00:20:37,627 --> 00:20:40,717 she loves the same kind of music I love. 432 00:20:40,761 --> 00:20:42,893 I think what switched for me 433 00:20:42,937 --> 00:20:44,939 was when Hef started using me as a tool and saying, 434 00:20:44,982 --> 00:20:46,636 "Well, why can't you just behave like Holly? 435 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,029 "Why can't you just show up to all the movies? 436 00:20:48,072 --> 00:20:49,465 Why can't you do this like her?" 437 00:20:49,509 --> 00:20:51,946 Then everybody hated me. 438 00:20:51,989 --> 00:20:53,948 One of the girlfriends 439 00:20:53,991 --> 00:20:57,865 started working as a liaison for this escort service. 440 00:20:57,908 --> 00:20:59,301 And she started trying to recruit 441 00:20:59,345 --> 00:21:01,216 all the other girlfriends. 442 00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:03,610 When she was found out, 443 00:21:03,653 --> 00:21:06,177 she thought it was me who told on her, and it wasn't. 444 00:21:06,221 --> 00:21:07,918 And I remember I had the flu 445 00:21:07,962 --> 00:21:09,616 and I was laying down in Hef's room. 446 00:21:09,659 --> 00:21:11,444 He was downstairs somewhere. 447 00:21:11,487 --> 00:21:14,185 And she like comes up the bed screaming in my face, 448 00:21:14,229 --> 00:21:15,622 and I like can barely move, 449 00:21:15,665 --> 00:21:18,320 so it's kind of like a scary situation. 450 00:21:18,364 --> 00:21:19,843 And I kind of had a breakdown 451 00:21:19,887 --> 00:21:21,105 because I thought she was gonna hit me, 452 00:21:21,149 --> 00:21:23,456 and like I have to live with these people. 453 00:21:25,588 --> 00:21:29,375 So I was completely isolated until Bridget came along. 454 00:21:31,246 --> 00:21:33,161 Bridget, how did you come aboard? 455 00:21:33,204 --> 00:21:35,250 Um, I came to the Mansion pursuing to be in the magazine. 456 00:21:35,294 --> 00:21:36,947 I really wanted to be a Playmate 457 00:21:36,991 --> 00:21:40,473 and started going out as the big party posse. 458 00:21:40,516 --> 00:21:42,692 I think that Holly and I bonded because 459 00:21:42,736 --> 00:21:46,696 I was very clear about not wanting her position. 460 00:21:46,740 --> 00:21:50,613 Some of the girlfriends would have liked to take that spot. 461 00:21:50,657 --> 00:21:53,181 They wanna just like still break all the rules 462 00:21:53,224 --> 00:21:54,965 but still get all the perks. 463 00:21:55,879 --> 00:21:57,185 I knew that Holly would want a life 464 00:21:57,228 --> 00:22:00,493 without all the extra girlfriends. 465 00:22:00,536 --> 00:22:03,452 In five years from today, Holly, what are you doing? 466 00:22:03,496 --> 00:22:05,759 Um, I wanna be married, have kids, 467 00:22:05,802 --> 00:22:07,587 and still be working at Playboy. 468 00:22:07,630 --> 00:22:08,675 - With Hef? - Yeah. 469 00:22:13,027 --> 00:22:14,289 I think I definitely thought I was in love with Hef, 470 00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:16,944 but it was very Stockholm syndrome. 471 00:22:16,987 --> 00:22:18,598 Very Stockholm syndrome. 472 00:22:20,556 --> 00:22:23,603 So Stockholm syndrome is when somebody starts to identify 473 00:22:23,646 --> 00:22:26,127 with somebody who is their captor in some way. 474 00:22:26,170 --> 00:22:28,956 And I feel like I did that with Hef 100%. 475 00:22:28,999 --> 00:22:32,742 Like, I never blamed him for any of the drama that went on. 476 00:22:32,786 --> 00:22:35,266 I always blamed it on the other women, you know. 477 00:22:35,310 --> 00:22:36,877 Hef was innocent in my eyes. 478 00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:40,794 And then later, one of the girls was telling me 479 00:22:40,837 --> 00:22:43,231 how Hef always pits the main girlfriend 480 00:22:43,274 --> 00:22:45,842 against the other girls. 481 00:22:45,886 --> 00:22:48,671 This situation was going on for years before I came along. 482 00:22:54,024 --> 00:22:57,637 - What do you see? - Patty and Laura. 483 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,204 This must have been the Playmate party. 484 00:23:00,248 --> 00:23:02,381 And that's when I met all these girls. 485 00:23:02,424 --> 00:23:06,428 And they were very, very mean to me at this point. 486 00:23:06,472 --> 00:23:11,825 When I was Hef's girlfriend, every girl wanted my position. 487 00:23:11,868 --> 00:23:13,435 See, all the girls wanted to be in my shoes. 488 00:23:13,479 --> 00:23:16,133 They wanted to be the girl walking down the path with him, 489 00:23:16,177 --> 00:23:18,527 sitting next to him. 490 00:23:18,571 --> 00:23:20,355 He would pit us against each other. 491 00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:23,924 You know, there was always a little tiff 492 00:23:23,967 --> 00:23:25,621 going with different girls. 493 00:23:25,665 --> 00:23:29,625 And, you know, if everybody was a little unsure of themselves, 494 00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:31,410 then he could have his way. 495 00:23:32,976 --> 00:23:36,284 It was like we were in this competition. 496 00:23:36,327 --> 00:23:39,243 And when I look at somebody who's 497 00:23:39,287 --> 00:23:42,508 struggling to create all this drama amongst people 498 00:23:42,551 --> 00:23:45,032 so he can feel like people are fighting over him, 499 00:23:45,075 --> 00:23:48,078 I'm like, "What hole are you trying to fill?" 500 00:23:58,524 --> 00:24:01,222 501 00:24:01,265 --> 00:24:02,919 My name is Richard Bann, 502 00:24:02,963 --> 00:24:06,662 and I was lucky enough to meet Hugh Hefner in 1990. 503 00:24:06,706 --> 00:24:09,926 And I knew him as one of his closest personal friends 504 00:24:09,970 --> 00:24:10,971 until he died. 505 00:24:11,014 --> 00:24:13,147 506 00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:17,064 As a kid, he was uncomfortable approaching young ladies. 507 00:24:17,107 --> 00:24:18,631 And he didn't always succeed. 508 00:24:19,849 --> 00:24:21,503 In high school, 509 00:24:21,547 --> 00:24:26,116 he was gonna invite Betty Conklin to a hayride. 510 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,466 And she rejected him. 511 00:24:29,250 --> 00:24:32,122 She went instead with one of his close friends. 512 00:24:33,341 --> 00:24:36,344 This was a watershed event in his life. 513 00:24:36,387 --> 00:24:39,608 What he did was he reinvented himself. 514 00:24:39,652 --> 00:24:42,916 He changed his wardrobe, he changed the way he spoke 515 00:24:42,959 --> 00:24:46,354 in hopes of being able to attract 516 00:24:46,397 --> 00:24:49,183 someone like Betty Conklin. 517 00:24:50,358 --> 00:24:51,838 I'm a rebel. 518 00:24:51,881 --> 00:24:54,841 A man ought to work hard and play hard too 519 00:24:54,884 --> 00:24:57,191 because you only get one time around in this old world, 520 00:24:57,234 --> 00:24:58,845 and if you don't make the most of it, 521 00:24:58,888 --> 00:25:00,455 you've got no one to blame but yourself. 522 00:25:05,025 --> 00:25:06,940 Betty Conklin represented 523 00:25:06,983 --> 00:25:10,247 the "Citizen Kane" Rosebud of his life. 524 00:25:10,291 --> 00:25:14,817 She was the template for the girl next door. 525 00:25:14,861 --> 00:25:19,213 Hef created "Playboy" magazine and this whole empire 526 00:25:19,256 --> 00:25:21,563 to work out the failed relationship 527 00:25:21,607 --> 00:25:23,478 he had with Betty Conklin. 528 00:25:25,306 --> 00:25:28,875 With Hef, I don't really know what's true or what's not. 529 00:25:30,441 --> 00:25:32,095 He would tell people in the media 530 00:25:32,139 --> 00:25:33,575 and, of course, they loved to run with that 531 00:25:33,619 --> 00:25:36,230 as like the moment that changed everything. 532 00:25:36,273 --> 00:25:39,320 But it's not just a girl invited somebody else 533 00:25:39,363 --> 00:25:40,669 to a hayride in high school. 534 00:25:41,844 --> 00:25:43,585 The way he treats people, 535 00:25:43,629 --> 00:25:45,979 there's gotta be something more going on 536 00:25:46,022 --> 00:25:47,633 under the surface. 537 00:25:47,676 --> 00:25:49,983 There's got to be something darker. 538 00:25:50,026 --> 00:25:52,638 Because when I was there, 539 00:25:52,681 --> 00:25:57,251 I felt like he wanted to have control over me 540 00:25:57,294 --> 00:25:59,340 and the other women who were there. 541 00:26:01,472 --> 00:26:03,344 Hef wanted to know, 542 00:26:03,387 --> 00:26:06,390 "How does somebody control somebody?" 543 00:26:06,434 --> 00:26:10,046 When we first started dating in the late '70s, 544 00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:12,658 he was fascinated and obsessed with Charles Manson. 545 00:26:12,701 --> 00:26:15,225 546 00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:17,750 Couldn't talk enough about him. 547 00:26:17,793 --> 00:26:19,621 How does this guy have these women 548 00:26:19,665 --> 00:26:22,015 that have been in jail for how many years 549 00:26:22,058 --> 00:26:23,625 and when they have a chance to get out, 550 00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:24,931 they're still adoring him, 551 00:26:24,974 --> 00:26:27,020 and they will till the day they die. 552 00:26:27,063 --> 00:26:29,588 And Hef liked that. 553 00:26:29,631 --> 00:26:32,025 In Hef's film collection, 554 00:26:32,068 --> 00:26:34,897 he even had the Manson family "home videos" 555 00:26:34,941 --> 00:26:36,595 made before the murders, 556 00:26:36,638 --> 00:26:39,380 the girls with guns and knives out at the ranch. 557 00:26:39,423 --> 00:26:40,729 You have to know it so that 558 00:26:40,773 --> 00:26:42,731 you could pick it up any second and shoot. 559 00:26:42,775 --> 00:26:44,951 There were so many similarities-- 560 00:26:44,994 --> 00:26:48,389 the way the girls followed everything he said, 561 00:26:48,432 --> 00:26:50,478 and we were all one big happy family. 562 00:26:50,521 --> 00:26:53,046 563 00:26:53,089 --> 00:26:54,482 He would say things like, 564 00:26:54,525 --> 00:26:56,615 "If you can get along with everybody, 565 00:26:56,658 --> 00:26:59,966 we can be together forever." 566 00:27:00,009 --> 00:27:04,274 That's how he reeled me in. I wasn't gay. 567 00:27:04,318 --> 00:27:07,843 But he would whisper in my ear, you know, "Go talk to her. 568 00:27:07,887 --> 00:27:11,151 Go talk to her and see if she wants to party." 569 00:27:12,935 --> 00:27:14,676 Finally, one day, I just, "Oh, geez! 570 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,809 Okay. I'll try it once." 571 00:27:20,726 --> 00:27:21,988 Yeah. Yeah. 572 00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:25,426 He was happy. 573 00:27:25,469 --> 00:27:28,995 That was exactly what he had asked for so long. 574 00:27:29,038 --> 00:27:32,302 But also, that wasn't enough. 575 00:27:32,346 --> 00:27:35,305 He had to have more and more and more. 576 00:27:35,349 --> 00:27:37,917 It just got ugly 577 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,180 because I felt like I was a ringmaster. 578 00:27:40,223 --> 00:27:43,270 I felt like I had to put the show on every night. 579 00:27:43,313 --> 00:27:45,054 And it's the same script. 580 00:27:45,098 --> 00:27:48,710 "Welcome to the family. We're embracing you." 581 00:27:48,754 --> 00:27:50,669 It was all a lie. 582 00:27:50,712 --> 00:27:53,889 I watched girl after girl after girl show up, 583 00:27:53,933 --> 00:27:56,805 fresh face, adorable, and then... 584 00:27:56,849 --> 00:27:58,894 their beauty just washed away. 585 00:27:58,938 --> 00:28:01,027 They were tired. 586 00:28:01,070 --> 00:28:05,727 I saw clearly that we were nothing to him. 587 00:28:05,771 --> 00:28:08,382 Hugh went through decades of young girls, decades. 588 00:28:09,992 --> 00:28:12,734 He said to me, "What I do is 589 00:28:12,778 --> 00:28:15,911 I find somebody whose looks I like, 590 00:28:15,955 --> 00:28:19,654 that I'm really attracted to, for all the obvious reasons, 591 00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:24,615 and then I project onto them whatever it is I want to see 592 00:28:24,659 --> 00:28:26,313 and I block out everything else." 593 00:28:28,097 --> 00:28:29,751 By the early 2000s, 594 00:28:29,795 --> 00:28:32,841 the girlfriends were always these interchangeable, 595 00:28:32,885 --> 00:28:35,148 replaceable sex objects to Hefner. 596 00:28:36,932 --> 00:28:38,934 I think it probably gave him a feeling 597 00:28:38,978 --> 00:28:42,633 of being more in control if we all looked identical. 598 00:28:42,677 --> 00:28:44,766 How do you tell each other apart? 599 00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:46,594 'Cause y'all have the same kind of blonde hair. 600 00:28:46,637 --> 00:28:48,117 Yeah. 601 00:28:48,161 --> 00:28:49,205 The plastic surgery amongst the girlfriends 602 00:28:49,249 --> 00:28:50,772 in the Mansion was compulsive. 603 00:28:50,816 --> 00:28:54,080 Everybody was doing it with very few exceptions. 604 00:28:54,123 --> 00:28:56,125 I remember being made to feel 605 00:28:56,169 --> 00:28:59,302 like I needed to look exactly like everybody else. 606 00:28:59,346 --> 00:29:01,827 When I asked him if I could ever test for Playmate, 607 00:29:01,870 --> 00:29:04,743 he said I'm just not photogenic enough. 608 00:29:04,786 --> 00:29:07,354 So of course, what that does to you is it makes you wonder, 609 00:29:07,397 --> 00:29:08,747 "Wow, what's wrong with me? 610 00:29:08,790 --> 00:29:10,400 Like, what do I need to get fixed?" 611 00:29:12,228 --> 00:29:15,101 Holly, she was getting her nose done and her this done 612 00:29:15,144 --> 00:29:17,581 and--you know, she wanted all this stuff done 613 00:29:17,625 --> 00:29:20,367 and so he paid for it. 614 00:29:20,410 --> 00:29:21,542 I've always been very honest about it. 615 00:29:21,585 --> 00:29:23,370 I've had my boobs and my nose done. 616 00:29:25,589 --> 00:29:28,375 I got to a point not too far into my time there-- 617 00:29:28,418 --> 00:29:29,768 I think I was only like six months in-- 618 00:29:29,811 --> 00:29:32,335 where I kind of broke under that pressure 619 00:29:32,379 --> 00:29:34,381 and being made to feel like I needed to look 620 00:29:34,424 --> 00:29:36,035 exactly like everybody else. 621 00:29:36,949 --> 00:29:39,081 My hair was really long naturally, 622 00:29:39,125 --> 00:29:41,562 and I was just like, "I'm gonna go chop my hair off 623 00:29:41,605 --> 00:29:43,390 so I can at least look a little different." 624 00:29:43,433 --> 00:29:45,044 ♪ Happy birthday to you 625 00:29:45,087 --> 00:29:46,959 I came back with short hair, 626 00:29:47,002 --> 00:29:49,570 and he flipped out on me. 627 00:29:49,613 --> 00:29:51,528 And he was screaming at me 628 00:29:51,572 --> 00:29:55,706 and said it made me look old, hard, and cheap. 629 00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:58,579 I remember when she cut her hair. 630 00:29:58,622 --> 00:30:00,799 He was very unhappy about it. 631 00:30:02,148 --> 00:30:04,672 Yeah, his world. 632 00:30:04,715 --> 00:30:07,109 Hef would be pretty abrasive 633 00:30:07,153 --> 00:30:08,981 in the way he said things to Holly. 634 00:30:10,330 --> 00:30:11,679 She came down with red lipstick one time 635 00:30:11,722 --> 00:30:13,246 and he like flipped out 636 00:30:13,289 --> 00:30:14,856 and said he hated red lipstick on girls, 637 00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:16,858 needed to take it off right away, 638 00:30:16,902 --> 00:30:19,121 even though other people could wear red lipstick 639 00:30:19,165 --> 00:30:21,515 and it didn't seem to bother him. 640 00:30:21,558 --> 00:30:25,127 I could definitely see that she was getting depressed and sad 641 00:30:25,171 --> 00:30:27,260 and her demeanor was starting to change. 642 00:30:27,303 --> 00:30:31,960 I felt like I was just in this cycle of gross things, 643 00:30:32,004 --> 00:30:34,180 and I didn't know what to do. 644 00:30:38,053 --> 00:30:41,709 You know, over the years, I knew a lot of girlfriends. 645 00:30:41,752 --> 00:30:46,235 You know who's there for Hef and who's there just because 646 00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:49,238 they want a place to stay and a little money every week. 647 00:30:49,282 --> 00:30:50,892 And, you know, you just get to a point 648 00:30:50,936 --> 00:30:52,633 where you know who's who. 649 00:30:52,676 --> 00:30:55,244 And what's funny with Holly, 650 00:30:55,288 --> 00:30:59,379 she never let on if she was unhappy. 651 00:30:59,422 --> 00:31:01,468 You're in a relationship with Hugh Hefner 652 00:31:01,511 --> 00:31:02,904 inside the Playboy Mansion. 653 00:31:02,948 --> 00:31:05,124 You signed up for that journey, 654 00:31:05,167 --> 00:31:07,996 and you knew you signed up for that journey. 655 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,871 If you're not happy, pack up your stuff and go. 656 00:31:12,914 --> 00:31:15,961 Like you could have walked out the door any time. 657 00:31:16,004 --> 00:31:18,746 658 00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:21,488 His friends were always so supportive 659 00:31:21,531 --> 00:31:24,099 and just speaking so highly of him. 660 00:31:24,143 --> 00:31:26,885 But that's the only side of him they ever saw. 661 00:31:26,928 --> 00:31:29,670 They had no idea what was going on behind closed doors 662 00:31:29,713 --> 00:31:31,585 and how the women were treated. 663 00:31:33,587 --> 00:31:36,590 When I lived at the Mansion, I was afraid to leave. 664 00:31:36,633 --> 00:31:38,113 Something that was always lingering 665 00:31:38,157 --> 00:31:39,941 in the back of my mind, I think, 666 00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:42,988 since the very beginning was that if I left, 667 00:31:43,031 --> 00:31:44,859 there was just this mountain of revenge porn 668 00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:47,949 just waiting to come out. 669 00:31:47,993 --> 00:31:50,343 When you would go out with Hef, 670 00:31:50,386 --> 00:31:53,085 he's taking all kinds of naked pictures of these women 671 00:31:53,128 --> 00:31:55,217 when we're wasted out of our minds. 672 00:31:55,261 --> 00:31:57,002 And he would print out, like, 673 00:31:57,045 --> 00:31:59,091 eight copies for him and all the women. 674 00:31:59,134 --> 00:32:02,181 You would pass them around, and it's just gross. 675 00:32:04,139 --> 00:32:06,359 I drank pretty heavily every night we went out. 676 00:32:06,402 --> 00:32:08,622 It was my way of coping with the situation 677 00:32:08,665 --> 00:32:10,537 after we got back home. 678 00:32:10,580 --> 00:32:12,626 The other girlfriends would always try 679 00:32:12,669 --> 00:32:14,715 and bring other girls home from nightclubs 680 00:32:14,758 --> 00:32:16,804 and get other girls to come upstairs. 681 00:32:16,847 --> 00:32:19,154 And I wasn't into that. 682 00:32:19,198 --> 00:32:23,202 The drama between me and the other women became so bad. 683 00:32:23,245 --> 00:32:25,726 Like, imagine having sex with somebody 684 00:32:25,769 --> 00:32:28,294 in a room full of women who all hate you 685 00:32:28,337 --> 00:32:31,210 and you know they're all talking about you. 686 00:32:32,689 --> 00:32:34,735 And there was a point where I just felt really low. 687 00:32:34,778 --> 00:32:37,651 Like, I didn't feel like I had any options. 688 00:32:37,694 --> 00:32:40,045 689 00:32:40,088 --> 00:32:43,744 I remember there was a point in time a couple years in, 690 00:32:43,787 --> 00:32:45,398 after we had gone out 691 00:32:45,441 --> 00:32:47,443 and after we'd all been in the bedroom, 692 00:32:47,487 --> 00:32:49,010 everybody's leaving and walking out, 693 00:32:49,054 --> 00:32:51,012 and I was in the bathtub, 694 00:32:51,056 --> 00:32:53,319 and I just wanted to drown myself. 695 00:32:53,362 --> 00:32:57,018 696 00:32:57,062 --> 00:33:01,283 I just felt like I was in this cycle of misery. 697 00:33:03,894 --> 00:33:05,940 And, you know, those feelings would never last long. 698 00:33:05,984 --> 00:33:07,463 But you have those moments like, 699 00:33:07,507 --> 00:33:09,509 "What did I gain from this experience?" 700 00:33:09,552 --> 00:33:11,380 You know? I knew there would be something. 701 00:33:11,424 --> 00:33:13,687 I always had that faith that there would be something 702 00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:15,602 that would make it worth it. 703 00:33:22,565 --> 00:33:25,046 These are so sexy. I love 'em. 704 00:33:25,090 --> 00:33:27,440 Yeah, I think you got a lotta good stuff. 705 00:33:27,483 --> 00:33:30,878 The first season of "Girls Next Door" came out in 2005, 706 00:33:30,921 --> 00:33:33,837 and it wasn't a perfect experience by any means, 707 00:33:33,881 --> 00:33:36,231 but it totally saved my life. 708 00:33:36,275 --> 00:33:38,538 Come on, honey. Jump in. 709 00:33:39,843 --> 00:33:42,150 "The Girls Next Door" happened at a time 710 00:33:42,194 --> 00:33:44,544 when Playboy had lost its feet. 711 00:33:44,587 --> 00:33:46,937 The Internet, celebrity culture, 712 00:33:46,981 --> 00:33:49,679 all these things-- it was like an earthquake 713 00:33:49,723 --> 00:33:51,420 and Hef was trying to figure out, 714 00:33:51,464 --> 00:33:53,509 "Well, how do we stay relevant?" 715 00:33:53,553 --> 00:33:56,643 Hef's documentarian friend 716 00:33:56,686 --> 00:33:59,733 did all kinds of personality interviews with everybody, 717 00:33:59,776 --> 00:34:01,909 including us three girls. 718 00:34:01,952 --> 00:34:04,607 Here we go! Nice. 719 00:34:04,651 --> 00:34:08,089 And someone at E! said, "That's my show. 720 00:34:08,133 --> 00:34:09,525 I wanna see the Mansion 721 00:34:09,569 --> 00:34:11,571 through the eyes of those three girls." 722 00:34:12,876 --> 00:34:14,226 "The Girls Next Door" show did a lot 723 00:34:14,269 --> 00:34:15,836 for the Playboy brand. 724 00:34:15,879 --> 00:34:17,272 We knew there would be some interest 725 00:34:17,316 --> 00:34:19,448 because it was the Playboy Mansion. 726 00:34:19,492 --> 00:34:21,233 What I did not anticipate 727 00:34:21,276 --> 00:34:22,712 was how hugely popular it would become 728 00:34:22,756 --> 00:34:25,324 and particularly how hugely popular with young women. 729 00:34:25,367 --> 00:34:28,718 730 00:34:28,762 --> 00:34:30,894 The show gave me confidence. 731 00:34:30,938 --> 00:34:32,766 It gave me a sense of purpose. 732 00:34:32,809 --> 00:34:36,639 The contrast between like the first 3 years I lived there 733 00:34:36,683 --> 00:34:39,512 and like the last 3 1/2 years, it was--it was night and day. 734 00:34:39,555 --> 00:34:42,428 I can see myself getting my self-esteem back. 735 00:34:43,864 --> 00:34:46,562 I had a job at the Playboy Studio for the show, 736 00:34:46,606 --> 00:34:48,651 and I ended up really loving it. 737 00:34:48,695 --> 00:34:51,176 I seemed like I'm on my way to being a little more normal, 738 00:34:51,219 --> 00:34:53,439 like a little more of a functional human. 739 00:34:55,267 --> 00:34:57,182 It felt great to be able to make the show. 740 00:34:57,225 --> 00:34:59,880 It really was a lot of fun. 741 00:34:59,923 --> 00:35:01,708 I was excited when I finally got a chance 742 00:35:01,751 --> 00:35:03,623 to be in the magazine. 743 00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:07,670 But we weren't paid for the first order of episodes 744 00:35:07,714 --> 00:35:10,108 for "The Girls Next Door." 745 00:35:10,151 --> 00:35:11,413 They made it very clear to us 746 00:35:11,457 --> 00:35:14,024 that if we didn't wanna do it, 747 00:35:14,068 --> 00:35:15,765 there would be a million girls 748 00:35:15,809 --> 00:35:17,593 that would wanna take our place. 749 00:35:17,637 --> 00:35:19,595 Eventually, we did get paid. 750 00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,816 But we were told one day that we needed to sign contracts 751 00:35:22,859 --> 00:35:24,948 and we needed to sign them that day 752 00:35:24,992 --> 00:35:26,907 or E! wasn't going to renew the show, 753 00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:28,648 which I just didn't want to sign a contract 754 00:35:28,691 --> 00:35:30,258 that, in essence, was signing a contract 755 00:35:30,302 --> 00:35:32,086 to be in a relationship, since the show 756 00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:34,610 was about three girls he was dating. 757 00:35:34,654 --> 00:35:36,786 That felt very prostitute-ish to me. 758 00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:40,181 I was in the shower, and all of a sudden, 759 00:35:40,225 --> 00:35:41,704 Hef is standing there, 760 00:35:41,748 --> 00:35:43,489 and he opens up the shower door, 761 00:35:43,532 --> 00:35:45,099 and he's like, "Why aren't you signing this contract?! 762 00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:46,318 I need you to sign this contract!" 763 00:35:47,797 --> 00:35:49,582 So we all signed it. 764 00:35:49,625 --> 00:35:53,194 But I consider that signing under duress. 765 00:35:53,238 --> 00:35:56,589 I signed the contract, crying and soaking wet. 766 00:35:59,635 --> 00:36:00,506 Mm-hmm. 767 00:36:02,551 --> 00:36:05,206 I always find the perfect card. 768 00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:08,470 "Still the one I love to catch myself dreaming about. 769 00:36:08,514 --> 00:36:12,387 "Still the one I love to talk things over with. 770 00:36:12,431 --> 00:36:13,606 Still the one--" 771 00:36:13,649 --> 00:36:15,564 Huh? You don't want me to read it? 772 00:36:15,608 --> 00:36:18,176 - No. - Oh--aw! 773 00:36:21,701 --> 00:36:23,833 Oh, no, I was embarrassed and stressed. 774 00:36:23,877 --> 00:36:26,184 Like, he's reading this card aloud that I got him, 775 00:36:26,227 --> 00:36:28,621 and I just feel stupid 776 00:36:28,664 --> 00:36:30,927 because, like, what even is this? 777 00:36:30,971 --> 00:36:33,887 Like I'm supposed to be filming like this romantic scene, 778 00:36:33,930 --> 00:36:36,063 but he's, like, dating other people. 779 00:36:38,457 --> 00:36:41,329 The show was doing a lot for me both for my self-esteem 780 00:36:41,373 --> 00:36:42,939 and just as far as other opportunities 781 00:36:42,983 --> 00:36:44,419 that would come to be later. 782 00:36:44,463 --> 00:36:46,073 But I wasn't really seeing that. 783 00:36:46,116 --> 00:36:50,556 I still felt like I was very stuck in the same situation. 784 00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:53,820 Hef was definitely very needy of Holly's time, 785 00:36:53,863 --> 00:36:56,518 and he always wanted her next to him. 786 00:36:57,867 --> 00:36:59,652 For instance, I remember we went to this event 787 00:36:59,695 --> 00:37:01,175 on the "Queen Mary." 788 00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:02,916 We were filming "Girls Next Door." 789 00:37:02,959 --> 00:37:05,745 We got Hef to spend the night on the "Queen Mary," 790 00:37:05,788 --> 00:37:07,225 and we were so excited. 791 00:37:07,268 --> 00:37:08,922 And we were gonna go run around the ship 792 00:37:08,965 --> 00:37:11,229 in our pajamas, and so we were like, 793 00:37:11,272 --> 00:37:13,231 "Oh, Holly, you have to come with us." 794 00:37:13,274 --> 00:37:15,407 And he told her no, she couldn't go 795 00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:17,104 and like grabbed her hair. 796 00:37:17,147 --> 00:37:18,845 She was like leaning down, and he like pulled her hair 797 00:37:18,888 --> 00:37:20,977 was like, "No. You're not going." 798 00:37:21,021 --> 00:37:22,631 She needed to be there with him, 799 00:37:22,675 --> 00:37:25,068 otherwise, he would have been alone in his room. 800 00:37:25,112 --> 00:37:27,245 And that wouldn't have been okay with him. 801 00:37:27,288 --> 00:37:30,160 802 00:37:30,204 --> 00:37:34,339 In 2008, my last year there, the other girls were leaving. 803 00:37:34,382 --> 00:37:36,863 It looked like it was just going to be me. 804 00:37:36,906 --> 00:37:38,256 I finally thought I had got 805 00:37:38,299 --> 00:37:39,953 what I wanted out of this situation 806 00:37:39,996 --> 00:37:44,044 and was finally like in this committed relationship. 807 00:37:44,087 --> 00:37:47,526 But during that time period, he started 808 00:37:47,743 --> 00:37:49,615 getting even meaner. 809 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,400 One day, I had all these messages from Holly 810 00:37:52,618 --> 00:37:54,794 that her and Hef had an altercation 811 00:37:54,837 --> 00:37:57,927 downstairs during dinner, and she got up to walk away 812 00:37:57,971 --> 00:38:02,410 and he said, "Quit being such a bitch." 813 00:38:02,454 --> 00:38:05,805 But not bitch. The C word. Which I hate that word. 814 00:38:05,848 --> 00:38:08,198 So I don't even wanna say it. Sounds so ugly. 815 00:38:08,242 --> 00:38:11,376 And that's it. She was done. 816 00:38:11,419 --> 00:38:14,509 At that point, there were no women to pit me against. 817 00:38:14,553 --> 00:38:16,511 There was none of that left. 818 00:38:16,555 --> 00:38:18,905 And that's when I had the realization and I was like, 819 00:38:18,948 --> 00:38:21,560 "Whoa, he's been the problem the whole time." 820 00:38:23,866 --> 00:38:26,869 I had been locked into the mentality of the Mansion 821 00:38:26,913 --> 00:38:28,393 and had felt like 822 00:38:28,436 --> 00:38:31,352 there's no other future for me outside. 823 00:38:31,396 --> 00:38:33,615 But I finally saw him for who he was, 824 00:38:33,659 --> 00:38:36,226 and I had to go. 825 00:38:36,270 --> 00:38:39,404 I just felt it so strongly that I had to leave. 826 00:38:50,023 --> 00:38:57,160 827 00:38:57,204 --> 00:39:01,687 The time at Playboy really caused some damage. 828 00:39:01,730 --> 00:39:05,212 I've had different types of therapy and stuff since I left. 829 00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:09,956 Other than some of the animals in the zoo, 830 00:39:09,999 --> 00:39:13,133 I can't really think of anything I miss. 831 00:39:14,830 --> 00:39:17,833 When I decided to leave, it was pretty sudden. 832 00:39:17,877 --> 00:39:20,401 So I wouldn't say it was so much that I had a plan. 833 00:39:20,445 --> 00:39:22,229 I just had more to fall back on. 834 00:39:22,272 --> 00:39:24,449 Like I'd been really careful with my money 835 00:39:24,492 --> 00:39:26,364 and making investments 836 00:39:26,407 --> 00:39:29,062 And I knew that there was at least a fan base 837 00:39:29,105 --> 00:39:30,585 for "The Girls Next Door." 838 00:39:30,629 --> 00:39:33,153 So maybe I could turn that into something. 839 00:39:34,633 --> 00:39:39,159 And it worked out really well. I did my own TV show. 840 00:39:39,202 --> 00:39:40,813 I'm out on my own in Las Vegas. 841 00:39:40,856 --> 00:39:42,815 I star in a really awesome burlesque show 842 00:39:42,858 --> 00:39:45,557 called "Peepshow" at Planet Hollywood, 843 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,949 had kids, got married, 844 00:39:46,993 --> 00:39:51,432 basically did everything I wanted to do. 845 00:39:51,476 --> 00:39:54,653 But every single day of my life, 846 00:39:54,696 --> 00:39:56,219 I would have a stranger approach me 847 00:39:56,263 --> 00:39:57,743 and ask, "How's Hef?" 848 00:39:57,786 --> 00:40:00,398 And I would always say, "Oh, he's good. He's great." 849 00:40:00,441 --> 00:40:03,444 I really started to feel terrible about it 850 00:40:03,488 --> 00:40:04,880 and like I was living a lie. 851 00:40:04,924 --> 00:40:07,274 And after my book came out, 852 00:40:07,317 --> 00:40:10,843 no one ever came up to me again and asked how's Hef? 853 00:40:10,886 --> 00:40:13,193 My book wasn't motivated by money at all. 854 00:40:13,236 --> 00:40:15,369 It wasn't motivated by revenge. 855 00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:17,545 I knew he was in a place 856 00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:19,939 where he didn't really answer to anyone. 857 00:40:19,982 --> 00:40:23,029 He wasn't necessarily cancelable, so to speak. 858 00:40:23,072 --> 00:40:24,857 It was strictly for me 859 00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:27,947 so I wouldn't feel bound to be living this lie 860 00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:30,993 where I constantly have to say things were great 861 00:40:31,037 --> 00:40:32,778 when I was there when they weren't. 862 00:40:37,565 --> 00:40:40,220 What I love about my book 863 00:40:40,263 --> 00:40:42,962 is I feel some people are finding it 864 00:40:43,005 --> 00:40:46,052 and they read it and they recognize parallel situations 865 00:40:46,095 --> 00:40:47,532 in emotionally abusive relationships 866 00:40:47,575 --> 00:40:48,968 that they might be in. 867 00:40:49,011 --> 00:40:50,796 I've heard a lot of feedback like that. 868 00:40:50,839 --> 00:40:54,669 And I love it that people are talking about abuses of power 869 00:40:54,713 --> 00:40:57,716 and imbalances in relationships. 870 00:40:57,759 --> 00:41:00,458 And I hope that helps some people. 871 00:41:01,676 --> 00:41:04,462 We are currently in an era 872 00:41:04,505 --> 00:41:06,812 where we're breaking down that wall of misogyny. 873 00:41:06,855 --> 00:41:11,077 Hef was able to control women 874 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,342 under the disguise of his money and power. 875 00:41:15,385 --> 00:41:16,648 Yeah, for sure. 876 00:41:17,605 --> 00:41:20,260 Holly Madison got money, got fame, 877 00:41:20,303 --> 00:41:22,654 got everything she wanted. 878 00:41:22,697 --> 00:41:26,005 So I'm worried that Holly will just cause a lot of eyerolling 879 00:41:26,048 --> 00:41:28,181 and therefore people won't really take this seriously. 880 00:41:29,530 --> 00:41:31,967 When Holly was his girlfriend, 881 00:41:32,011 --> 00:41:33,839 he was old by then. 882 00:41:33,882 --> 00:41:37,364 Hef was a lot younger when I started dating him. 883 00:41:37,407 --> 00:41:41,411 My experiences with him got pretty scary at times. 884 00:41:41,455 --> 00:41:43,544 We love you, Hef! 885 00:41:43,588 --> 00:41:46,504 Didn't matter how many people you brought in-- 886 00:41:46,547 --> 00:41:48,462 it would only satisfy him for the moment 887 00:41:48,506 --> 00:41:50,638 and then he'd have to find something bigger, 888 00:41:50,682 --> 00:41:52,771 better, naughtier. 889 00:41:52,814 --> 00:41:54,555 He was like a vampire. 890 00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:58,298 He sucked the life out of all these young girls for decades. 891 00:41:58,341 --> 00:42:00,779 If those rocks could talk, the tales they would tell. 892 00:42:02,389 --> 00:42:04,783 I know some really deep dark secrets. 893 00:42:04,826 --> 00:42:06,741 I can't give this up. 894 00:42:06,785 --> 00:42:10,049 And now we're speaking up. It's all gonna come out. 895 00:42:49,784 --> 00:42:52,657 I think everybody had that desire to be a Playboy Bunny. 896 00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:54,702 There was a style 897 00:42:54,746 --> 00:42:56,748 that the Playboy Bunnies had. 898 00:42:56,791 --> 00:42:59,446 When you put on that costume, 899 00:42:59,489 --> 00:43:01,753 you thought you were protected. 900 00:43:01,796 --> 00:43:04,059 But Bunnies were easy prey. 901 00:43:04,103 --> 00:43:09,021 Everything wasn't lights, camera, action, happy. 902 00:43:09,064 --> 00:43:13,460 I think about those girls that were muffled, discarded. 903 00:43:13,503 --> 00:43:16,071 There were many young women that were assaulted, 904 00:43:16,115 --> 00:43:17,507 that were silenced. 905 00:43:17,551 --> 00:43:19,161 That's how it worked with Playboy. 906 00:43:19,205 --> 00:43:21,555 You open your mouth, you're outta here. 72263

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