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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,137 --> 00:00:04,997 Abandoned structures hold the secrets of America's past. 2 00:00:06,620 --> 00:00:08,520 Lost in a sea of machinery, 3 00:00:08,517 --> 00:00:11,517 an aircraft that helped America reach new heights. 4 00:00:13,310 --> 00:00:16,340 It has such a unique, special role in history 5 00:00:16,344 --> 00:00:18,554 that no other aircraft can lay claim to. 6 00:00:20,551 --> 00:00:25,341 A sporting arena built in a county that didn't play by the rules. 7 00:00:26,758 --> 00:00:28,898 We didn't have anything, you know, much around here. 8 00:00:28,896 --> 00:00:31,376 In the early days, you had to do something to survive. 9 00:00:33,448 --> 00:00:39,028 And defenses near the capital hide a story that was nearly lost forever. 10 00:00:39,034 --> 00:00:42,174 It was involved in the protection of the United States Capitol. 11 00:00:42,172 --> 00:00:46,382 But in a bigger sense, it was here to serve a mission to protect the world. 12 00:00:50,068 --> 00:00:52,518 Scattered across the United States 13 00:00:52,517 --> 00:00:58,547 are abandoned structures, forgotten ruins of the past, 14 00:00:58,551 --> 00:01:02,831 monuments to a bygone era. 15 00:01:02,827 --> 00:01:08,927 Each shines a light on the story of this land and its people. 16 00:01:08,931 --> 00:01:12,931 These are the secrets of hidden America. 17 00:01:21,206 --> 00:01:26,996 In the hot, dry lands near the border with Mexico is a sight to behold, 18 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,760 and it hides a creation that helped America reach for the stars. 19 00:01:36,448 --> 00:01:39,998 We're on the edge of the city of Tucson, Arizona. 20 00:01:41,413 --> 00:01:45,973 And right here is a pretty unbelievable scene. 21 00:01:48,068 --> 00:01:51,408 We're looking into a vast spectacle 22 00:01:51,413 --> 00:01:56,763 of decommissioned airplanes on a monumental scale. 23 00:01:56,758 --> 00:02:01,308 This is the largest airplane boneyard on the whole planet. 24 00:02:01,310 --> 00:02:03,590 And nearby is a site holding 25 00:02:03,586 --> 00:02:08,276 the select few that really made a difference. 26 00:02:08,275 --> 00:02:11,855 This is like a greatest hits of aviation history. 27 00:02:11,862 --> 00:02:18,032 I mean, all the weird and most effective vessels kind of all in one place. 28 00:02:18,034 --> 00:02:21,624 They won war, shattered records and broke barriers. 29 00:02:21,620 --> 00:02:24,930 But out here is stored one of the most unique looking 30 00:02:24,931 --> 00:02:26,971 and interesting aircraft you'll ever see. 31 00:02:28,551 --> 00:02:29,831 It looks like a bloated, 32 00:02:29,827 --> 00:02:32,587 monstrous whale and staring at it, 33 00:02:32,586 --> 00:02:35,856 it biggest belief that this thing could ever course through the sky. 34 00:02:39,241 --> 00:02:41,761 But looks can be deceiving. 35 00:02:43,551 --> 00:02:45,791 This airplane is one of the most unsung 36 00:02:45,793 --> 00:02:47,863 but important aircraft of the 20th century. 37 00:02:47,862 --> 00:02:51,342 It made America's single greatest achievement of the 20th century possible. 38 00:03:00,827 --> 00:03:03,617 The sheer size tells us that this was designed 39 00:03:03,620 --> 00:03:06,550 to carry some truly heavy cargo. 40 00:03:06,551 --> 00:03:08,551 But the real clue as to what this was for 41 00:03:08,551 --> 00:03:11,791 lies in the little bumps to the edge of the fuselage. 42 00:03:15,655 --> 00:03:17,965 In simple terms, they're just basically hinges. 43 00:03:17,965 --> 00:03:20,275 The whole front of the aircraft would swing open 44 00:03:20,275 --> 00:03:23,165 just like a regular front entrance door to your house. 45 00:03:23,172 --> 00:03:27,002 And that enable the... the crews to load the cargoes. 46 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,830 Regular cargo planes are loaded from the rear. 47 00:03:31,068 --> 00:03:34,338 This approach was a design headache. 48 00:03:34,344 --> 00:03:39,594 However, it helps identify what the plane was for. 49 00:03:39,586 --> 00:03:43,136 So the reason is because the huge diameter the components are putting in, 50 00:03:43,137 --> 00:03:47,207 they weren't able to get them into existing cargo airplanes 51 00:03:47,206 --> 00:03:49,276 through the traditional rear entry points. 52 00:03:50,793 --> 00:03:53,143 What it carried in that big belly? 53 00:03:53,137 --> 00:03:56,547 Well, you know, it had a huge impact on America. 54 00:03:56,551 --> 00:04:02,281 And what they were trying to achieve with this plane was unchartered territory. 55 00:04:05,724 --> 00:04:10,034 I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal 56 00:04:10,034 --> 00:04:13,344 before this decade is out of landing a man 57 00:04:13,344 --> 00:04:15,904 on the moon and returning him safely to the Earth. 58 00:04:17,344 --> 00:04:21,174 When President Kennedy addressed Congress in 1961, 59 00:04:21,172 --> 00:04:25,002 it was clear the Cold War had boiled over into space. 60 00:04:26,586 --> 00:04:29,026 So, the space race was an expression 61 00:04:29,034 --> 00:04:32,034 of rivalry between the United States, 62 00:04:32,034 --> 00:04:36,664 between capitalism and Soviet societies under communism. 63 00:04:36,655 --> 00:04:41,135 And this was fought out in many ways, the propaganda, sports, 64 00:04:41,137 --> 00:04:45,167 but most strikingly, perhaps who could get into space first? 65 00:04:45,172 --> 00:04:46,792 Who could put a man on the moon? 66 00:04:48,586 --> 00:04:51,336 America, however, was on the back foot. 67 00:04:53,379 --> 00:04:54,999 The Soviets were worryingly ahead. 68 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,210 They've put the first satellites into space. 69 00:04:57,206 --> 00:04:59,926 They put the first man into space. 70 00:04:59,931 --> 00:05:02,241 This was a huge challenge. 71 00:05:02,241 --> 00:05:03,931 Frankly, when he said it, 72 00:05:03,931 --> 00:05:09,001 the US was still pretty far from being able to achieve anything like that. 73 00:05:13,517 --> 00:05:20,307 It was against this high stakes backdrop that the Super Guppy was born. 74 00:05:20,310 --> 00:05:26,340 Everyone's heard of the B-52s, the Spitfires, the Stealth Bombers, 75 00:05:26,344 --> 00:05:29,004 all the things that are kind of powerful and feared. 76 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,450 And this is like putting like a trailer truck in the sky to haul things, 77 00:05:33,448 --> 00:05:35,338 which sounds less exciting, 78 00:05:35,344 --> 00:05:37,034 but when you really dig into the story, 79 00:05:37,034 --> 00:05:39,454 you realize that this changed history. 80 00:05:42,448 --> 00:05:44,478 And here we are. This is what it's all about. 81 00:05:44,482 --> 00:05:47,072 It's its unique insight as it is from the outside. 82 00:05:47,068 --> 00:05:48,518 It's... it's enormous. 83 00:05:48,517 --> 00:05:51,237 It's... it's a... it's a structure unlike any other aircraft 84 00:05:51,241 --> 00:05:53,141 you're going to ever come inside of. 85 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,620 It wasn't designed to carry just any cargo. 86 00:05:57,620 --> 00:05:59,210 Its mission was very specific. 87 00:05:59,206 --> 00:06:03,376 The Super Guppy was purpose built to carry rocket modules 88 00:06:03,379 --> 00:06:05,689 for the Apollo program to get us to the moon. 89 00:06:08,482 --> 00:06:13,902 The deadline for reaching the moon was set, the end of the decade. 90 00:06:13,896 --> 00:06:15,896 Time was the new enemy. 91 00:06:17,517 --> 00:06:19,827 One of the biggest hurdles was logistics, 92 00:06:19,827 --> 00:06:21,687 especially transporting the components 93 00:06:21,689 --> 00:06:24,139 from the West Coast manufacturers to the East Coast, 94 00:06:24,137 --> 00:06:27,067 where the launch sites were actually to be found. 95 00:06:27,068 --> 00:06:29,928 They were far too big to transport by road and rail, 96 00:06:29,931 --> 00:06:32,621 and if you went by ship, it would take 18 days. 97 00:06:34,379 --> 00:06:37,409 Jack Conroy, a former air force pilot, 98 00:06:37,413 --> 00:06:40,413 teamed up with businessman Lee Mansdorf. 99 00:06:40,413 --> 00:06:43,213 Their vision was to build a plane large enough 100 00:06:43,206 --> 00:06:44,896 to carry some of these components. 101 00:06:47,482 --> 00:06:49,792 He realized that if you could transport them, 102 00:06:49,793 --> 00:06:51,553 you could cut that waiting time 103 00:06:51,551 --> 00:06:54,071 from about two weeks to 24 hours, 104 00:06:54,068 --> 00:06:57,478 and that would give America the crucial upper hand. 105 00:06:57,482 --> 00:07:00,862 So, of course, anything that's being done in a hurry for the first time, 106 00:07:00,862 --> 00:07:03,142 it comes with risks and it comes with challenges. 107 00:07:03,137 --> 00:07:06,587 We were modifying things that hadn't been designed to be modified, 108 00:07:06,586 --> 00:07:09,656 and it could have ended very badly at any point in the program. 109 00:07:12,655 --> 00:07:17,205 We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other thing. 110 00:07:17,206 --> 00:07:21,026 Not because they are easy, but because they are hard. 111 00:07:21,034 --> 00:07:27,594 You'll be sure we are behind and will be behind for some time in man flight, 112 00:07:27,586 --> 00:07:31,546 but we do not intend to stay behind and in this decade 113 00:07:31,551 --> 00:07:33,691 we shall make up and move ahead. 114 00:07:34,965 --> 00:07:38,995 By the time Kennedy made that speech in 1962, 115 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,860 Conroy had been working on his prototype design 116 00:07:41,862 --> 00:07:45,592 of an oversize cargo plane for around a year. 117 00:07:45,586 --> 00:07:48,856 Conroy basically gambled it all, I mean, 118 00:07:48,862 --> 00:07:52,172 remortgaging his house, taking out multiple loans. 119 00:07:52,172 --> 00:07:55,172 And there were no guarantees from NASA 120 00:07:55,172 --> 00:07:58,482 that even if this worked, they were going to use it. 121 00:08:01,206 --> 00:08:03,656 Now, Conroy's first version, 122 00:08:03,655 --> 00:08:07,335 known as the Pregnant Guppy, was ready to test. 123 00:08:10,034 --> 00:08:15,284 September 19th, 1962, first test flight, 124 00:08:15,275 --> 00:08:17,925 confidence was the opposite of high. 125 00:08:17,931 --> 00:08:20,381 They called the police department, fire department, 126 00:08:20,379 --> 00:08:22,069 told everyone to stand by. 127 00:08:23,137 --> 00:08:26,027 But to everyone's surprise, it was a success. 128 00:08:26,034 --> 00:08:28,864 And before he knew it, he was flying to NASA. 129 00:08:31,517 --> 00:08:33,027 A year later, 130 00:08:33,034 --> 00:08:36,524 the Pregnant Guppy flew the second stage of NASA's prototype rocket 131 00:08:36,517 --> 00:08:40,547 to Cape Canaveral as part of the Apollo program. 132 00:08:40,551 --> 00:08:43,211 However, to get a man on the moon 133 00:08:43,206 --> 00:08:46,966 before the end of the decade, they needed to go bigger. 134 00:08:46,965 --> 00:08:50,545 And that came with added risks. 135 00:08:50,551 --> 00:08:54,341 The problem with the aerodynamics nearly ended it all. 136 00:08:54,344 --> 00:08:58,694 It very nearly came crashing down in a ball of flame. 137 00:09:13,137 --> 00:09:18,207 In 1965, against the tense backdrop of the Cold War, 138 00:09:18,206 --> 00:09:21,276 construction of the Super Guppy was underway. 139 00:09:22,793 --> 00:09:26,383 The Super Guppys had their airframe genesis 140 00:09:26,379 --> 00:09:28,589 from these two airplanes behind us. 141 00:09:28,586 --> 00:09:29,856 Basically, these are derivatives 142 00:09:29,862 --> 00:09:34,412 of a civilian B-377 Stratocruiser, which was an airliner. 143 00:09:34,413 --> 00:09:36,073 And it was really well built. 144 00:09:36,068 --> 00:09:41,858 And it was just the right of rugged basis for the Guppy's creation. 145 00:09:41,862 --> 00:09:46,172 Designed to transport the third stage of the Saturn V rockets. 146 00:09:46,172 --> 00:09:49,902 It needed to be both longer and wider than the original Guppy. 147 00:09:53,310 --> 00:09:58,380 Built from three B 377 and one military variant, 148 00:09:58,379 --> 00:10:03,659 the fuselage of the original airliner was extended by 31 feet. 149 00:10:03,655 --> 00:10:08,165 At the same time, the 25-foot diameter upper section was built above. 150 00:10:12,068 --> 00:10:15,208 They framed up a construction gantry, 151 00:10:15,206 --> 00:10:20,096 a grid and built the airframe from that waterline up 152 00:10:20,103 --> 00:10:22,453 and a great big arc to the crown 153 00:10:22,448 --> 00:10:24,788 and then skinned it and built it forward. 154 00:10:26,379 --> 00:10:29,139 This was really a custom bespoke job. 155 00:10:29,137 --> 00:10:31,687 It is absolutely not the normal way of building a plane. 156 00:10:33,862 --> 00:10:35,792 Before the Super Guppy could be thrown 157 00:10:35,793 --> 00:10:39,313 into service, though, it had to pass a series of tests. 158 00:10:39,310 --> 00:10:42,480 Here, an obvious issue that also impacts 159 00:10:42,482 --> 00:10:44,412 later versions reared its head. 160 00:10:46,896 --> 00:10:49,096 The most notable feature of the Guppy 161 00:10:49,103 --> 00:10:52,103 is its massive size, its huge diameter. 162 00:10:52,103 --> 00:10:54,553 Well, that doesn't make it very aerodynamic. 163 00:10:54,551 --> 00:10:58,211 So, you're really pushing a brick through the air, and that's a real challenge. 164 00:11:00,517 --> 00:11:02,927 In flight, it made some terrifying noises. 165 00:11:02,931 --> 00:11:05,831 There were real fears that it might just break up mid-flight. 166 00:11:06,931 --> 00:11:08,621 One of the test engineers 167 00:11:08,620 --> 00:11:12,590 reported that he had walked into the fuselage during the test flights 168 00:11:12,586 --> 00:11:16,896 and he said it was like staring into a willow basket in a windstorm. 169 00:11:16,896 --> 00:11:20,066 Nevertheless, with no failure so far, 170 00:11:20,068 --> 00:11:26,208 on a clear September morning in 1965, she took to the sky once more. 171 00:11:26,206 --> 00:11:30,686 And this time the fears turned into reality. 172 00:11:30,689 --> 00:11:33,169 Now it's time for the final test flights 173 00:11:33,172 --> 00:11:36,902 and you know, you get the easier ones out of the way first. 174 00:11:36,896 --> 00:11:39,306 So this was one of the hardest ones, 175 00:11:39,310 --> 00:11:43,930 a dive from 10,000 feet at high speed. 176 00:11:45,896 --> 00:11:49,756 Suddenly there was this loud explosion. 177 00:11:49,758 --> 00:11:52,548 Someone said it was like a bomb going off. 178 00:11:52,551 --> 00:11:57,241 And then the whole plane started to shake violently. 179 00:11:57,241 --> 00:12:01,101 As they passed the 275 miles per hour mark, 180 00:12:01,103 --> 00:12:06,933 the pressure on the fuselage became too great and it suddenly imploded. 181 00:12:06,931 --> 00:12:11,031 Above the cockpit, there was now a 23-foot wide hole. 182 00:12:11,034 --> 00:12:14,244 The plane was now speeding towards the earth. 183 00:12:14,241 --> 00:12:17,791 The crew had no option but to try to regain control. 184 00:12:19,482 --> 00:12:23,282 They are wrestling to keep this thing in the air. 185 00:12:23,275 --> 00:12:27,335 And, you know, this is them fighting for their lives. 186 00:12:30,482 --> 00:12:32,832 Eventually the Guppy was steadied and the crew 187 00:12:32,827 --> 00:12:34,757 were able to land it on a dry lake bed. 188 00:12:34,758 --> 00:12:37,238 Disaster was averted, but it was close. 189 00:12:38,482 --> 00:12:41,792 The Super Guppy went in for repairs. 190 00:12:41,793 --> 00:12:44,173 Reinforcements were added. 191 00:12:44,172 --> 00:12:49,172 And soon enough she repeated the test and passed with flying colors. 192 00:12:50,275 --> 00:12:52,445 So once the Guppy had cleared its, uh, 193 00:12:52,448 --> 00:12:55,548 flight trials and got its acceptance from the FAA, 194 00:12:55,551 --> 00:12:57,001 it went into service immediately 195 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,830 in support of the Apollo mission program, 196 00:12:59,827 --> 00:13:02,097 moving Saturn rocket components 197 00:13:02,103 --> 00:13:04,033 across the country to Cape Canaveral. 198 00:13:07,965 --> 00:13:13,855 On July 16, 1969, Apollo 11 was launched. 199 00:13:13,862 --> 00:13:17,862 Four days later, the astronauts entered lunar orbit. 200 00:13:20,724 --> 00:13:24,594 In addition to flying the major rocket sections for... 201 00:13:24,586 --> 00:13:28,616 for the Saturn rockets, this particular airplane also carried, 202 00:13:28,620 --> 00:13:33,450 uh, the Eagle Moon Lander and the Columbia Command Module. 203 00:13:33,448 --> 00:13:40,098 That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. 204 00:13:40,103 --> 00:13:42,143 This was a huge propaganda coup. 205 00:13:42,137 --> 00:13:43,897 It communicated to the world that America 206 00:13:43,896 --> 00:13:46,276 was more resilient, more powerful, 207 00:13:46,275 --> 00:13:50,515 more innovative than its Soviet rivals. 208 00:13:50,517 --> 00:13:54,997 It's really safe to say that without this particular airplane, 209 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,660 the United States would not have achieved 210 00:13:56,655 --> 00:13:59,785 its objective of putting a man on the moon before the end of the 1960s. 211 00:14:07,379 --> 00:14:11,069 Four upgraded Super Guppys were later built, 212 00:14:11,068 --> 00:14:15,618 but the original remained in service until 1991, 213 00:14:15,620 --> 00:14:18,590 when it joined the Tucson Boneyard fleet. 214 00:14:20,344 --> 00:14:23,034 Some planes are stored here temporarily. 215 00:14:23,034 --> 00:14:25,554 Others are used for parts. 216 00:14:25,551 --> 00:14:29,481 NASA felt this one deserved something special. 217 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,280 NASA was very conscious 218 00:14:33,275 --> 00:14:36,135 of the historical significance of the Guppy at this point, 219 00:14:36,137 --> 00:14:40,377 and they approached us here hoping that we could preserve it 220 00:14:40,379 --> 00:14:45,309 in public display storage versus being in secure storage at a military facility. 221 00:14:45,310 --> 00:14:48,240 And we were, you know, very eager to help them out with that. 222 00:14:49,586 --> 00:14:53,136 Soon moved here to the Pima Air Space Museum 223 00:14:53,137 --> 00:14:56,717 alongside other aircraft of historical significance, 224 00:14:56,724 --> 00:15:03,034 ownership was handed over in 2015 and the Super Guppy is now a permanent fixture. 225 00:15:04,551 --> 00:15:08,691 Every one of these airplanes is animated by someone's memory, 226 00:15:08,689 --> 00:15:12,449 by someone's connection, by someone's personal involvement with it. 227 00:15:12,448 --> 00:15:14,688 And the Guppy is unique amongst them 228 00:15:14,689 --> 00:15:16,999 in its role and significance to history. 229 00:15:25,172 --> 00:15:28,722 In the Tar Heel State is a town 230 00:15:28,724 --> 00:15:32,004 where a farming community made their own luck. 231 00:15:41,620 --> 00:15:43,310 Tar Heel is a derogatory term, 232 00:15:43,310 --> 00:15:46,520 saying that people have dirty manual labor jobs, 233 00:15:46,517 --> 00:15:50,687 but it's one that the people of North Carolina have owned for themselves. 234 00:15:50,689 --> 00:15:53,479 As the saying goes, "If God isn't a Tar Heel, 235 00:15:53,482 --> 00:15:55,722 why did he make the sky of Carolina blue?" 236 00:15:57,965 --> 00:16:00,825 In the county of North Wilkesboro, 237 00:16:00,827 --> 00:16:04,207 history pivots on a battered circuit of asphalt. 238 00:16:07,241 --> 00:16:10,761 Clearly, the stands have weathered over the years, 239 00:16:10,758 --> 00:16:12,658 but the concrete is still sound. 240 00:16:12,655 --> 00:16:16,025 However, there are boxes that are falling over. 241 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,240 The track itself is littered with weeds 242 00:16:20,241 --> 00:16:23,451 and grasses that are growing through the asphalt, 243 00:16:23,448 --> 00:16:26,968 but it still isn't hard to imagine cars 244 00:16:26,965 --> 00:16:31,715 whipping around this five-eighth of a mile track and making your head spin. 245 00:16:31,724 --> 00:16:36,974 To many residents of Wilkes County, however, this track is home. 246 00:16:36,965 --> 00:16:38,925 Just about most of the people, I mean, 247 00:16:38,931 --> 00:16:41,761 are here involved in the Speedway in one way or the other. 248 00:16:43,827 --> 00:16:49,027 And the downfall of this place would lead some to take drastic measures. 249 00:16:49,034 --> 00:16:50,664 That's all you could do to survive. 250 00:16:50,655 --> 00:16:52,785 You just couldn't get ahead without something else. 251 00:17:07,413 --> 00:17:10,213 Dean Combs, his family moved to Wilkes County 252 00:17:10,206 --> 00:17:15,136 in the 1940s in the aftermath of the Great Depression. 253 00:17:15,137 --> 00:17:17,207 My mama, she was a green bean raiser 254 00:17:17,206 --> 00:17:18,616 and an uncle, he'd grow the pigs. 255 00:17:18,620 --> 00:17:20,210 And then my mama made better milk. 256 00:17:20,206 --> 00:17:22,306 She made milk. She had three milk cows. 257 00:17:22,310 --> 00:17:25,000 I don't think people got government help back in those days. 258 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,900 It was just manual work is basically what it was. 259 00:17:26,896 --> 00:17:28,826 Manual work. 260 00:17:28,827 --> 00:17:33,027 Farming communities like Wilkes County were slow to recover. 261 00:17:33,034 --> 00:17:37,524 Some families supplemented their income by making and selling moonshine. 262 00:17:40,689 --> 00:17:43,999 It was those that did it and those that lied about it. 263 00:17:45,344 --> 00:17:48,904 Most people did it to feed families, you know, 264 00:17:48,896 --> 00:17:53,716 this was a farming community and there wasn't a lot of money 265 00:17:53,724 --> 00:17:57,484 to go around and moonshine was a way of life. 266 00:17:59,034 --> 00:18:02,524 But then I really didn't know that much about his operation, 267 00:18:02,517 --> 00:18:04,137 but the understanding that I got, 268 00:18:04,137 --> 00:18:07,307 he mostly headed the stilts built 269 00:18:07,310 --> 00:18:08,900 and had other people working for him, 270 00:18:08,896 --> 00:18:11,136 and that's when they got their extra cash, they'd get extra cash, 271 00:18:11,137 --> 00:18:14,307 they knew they can go out and sell a little moonshine or... 272 00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:15,760 or a whiskey here or there, and they could... 273 00:18:15,758 --> 00:18:18,658 they could get a little more money to build up. 274 00:18:18,655 --> 00:18:21,995 And like in so many places across the US 275 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,000 where there's moonshine, there's stock car racing. 276 00:18:27,275 --> 00:18:30,655 In 1946, they laid ground on a track 277 00:18:30,655 --> 00:18:33,965 that would one day become legendary. 278 00:18:33,965 --> 00:18:36,615 The North Wilkesboro Speedway. 279 00:18:49,896 --> 00:18:55,026 The first Speedway was a dirt track with four banked turns, 280 00:18:55,034 --> 00:18:59,344 and back then stock car racing was something else. 281 00:18:59,344 --> 00:19:04,414 In the early 1940, stock car racing was a little haphazard. 282 00:19:04,413 --> 00:19:07,143 You had different competitions all around the country. 283 00:19:07,137 --> 00:19:08,307 You had different tracks. 284 00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:10,310 There really was no regulation. 285 00:19:11,931 --> 00:19:14,481 Stock car racing was still something that was done 286 00:19:14,482 --> 00:19:17,832 on the weekends by local moonshiners and people 287 00:19:17,827 --> 00:19:21,337 who were just enjoying modifying their cars 288 00:19:21,344 --> 00:19:23,384 to make them as fast as possible. 289 00:19:27,344 --> 00:19:29,314 But the new speedway would have 290 00:19:29,310 --> 00:19:33,170 a profound impact on the future of the sport. 291 00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:39,412 In 1947, its opening event was promoted by a businessman from Washington D.C. 292 00:19:39,413 --> 00:19:40,973 a former racer. 293 00:19:40,965 --> 00:19:43,375 A man called Bill France. 294 00:19:46,344 --> 00:19:49,104 Bill France came along and realized the potential 295 00:19:49,103 --> 00:19:52,863 of this hobby and he thought he could make it into a sport. 296 00:19:52,862 --> 00:19:56,002 So he held a race at North Wilkesboro Stadium 297 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,900 to prove that this could not only be a viable sport, 298 00:19:58,896 --> 00:20:01,066 but one that will bring out thousands of people. 299 00:20:02,655 --> 00:20:05,655 The bleachers were standing room only. 300 00:20:05,655 --> 00:20:09,375 The race was won by future legend Fonty Flock. 301 00:20:11,689 --> 00:20:14,339 And it was a smashing success from the get go. 302 00:20:14,344 --> 00:20:18,664 They expected 3000 attendees instead, they got 10,000. 303 00:20:21,448 --> 00:20:25,068 Following the success of North Wilkesboro's first race, 304 00:20:25,068 --> 00:20:31,028 Bill France established the National Association of Stock Car Auto Racing. 305 00:20:32,689 --> 00:20:34,519 Most of the NASCAR fans are blue-collar. 306 00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:39,760 Hard working everyday people or farmers 307 00:20:39,758 --> 00:20:42,378 or whatever, that's the one that filled that stands. 308 00:20:44,103 --> 00:20:48,523 Any NASCAR event is going to bring a big spectacle. 309 00:20:48,517 --> 00:20:50,757 It is the place where people go to connect 310 00:20:50,758 --> 00:20:52,858 with their neighbors and their friends 311 00:20:52,862 --> 00:20:54,592 and watch something that is important 312 00:20:54,586 --> 00:20:57,066 to their culture, their heritage, and their history. 313 00:21:00,413 --> 00:21:02,283 The start of the engines, you know, the engines, 314 00:21:02,275 --> 00:21:04,335 you know, the old loud cars, you're hearing them 315 00:21:04,344 --> 00:21:07,594 and the speed and the... and the competition that was there. 316 00:21:07,586 --> 00:21:10,446 It was just... just so exciting. 317 00:21:10,448 --> 00:21:15,788 At 23 years old, Dean Combs made his debut on the starting line. 318 00:21:32,551 --> 00:21:36,621 NASCAR transformed how the North Wilkesboro Speedway operated. 319 00:21:36,620 --> 00:21:40,900 Now tracks across the country all followed the same rules. 320 00:21:42,344 --> 00:21:44,974 Play becomes sport when rules are established 321 00:21:44,965 --> 00:21:47,405 to level the playing field for all competitors. 322 00:21:47,413 --> 00:21:51,663 NASCAR established rules for stock cars and how far you could modify them 323 00:21:51,655 --> 00:21:53,275 and establish the first rule book. 324 00:21:53,275 --> 00:21:57,235 But for a lot of race car drivers, rules are just suggestions. 325 00:22:00,379 --> 00:22:03,479 This was scales where they weighed the race car with. 326 00:22:03,482 --> 00:22:09,002 In other words, they had a rule that you had to weigh no less than 3700 pounds. 327 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,340 Why? Why is because you can think about weight. 328 00:22:13,344 --> 00:22:15,284 Weight is basically horsepower. 329 00:22:15,275 --> 00:22:16,785 The louder you're running, the faster 330 00:22:16,793 --> 00:22:19,103 the car is going to run versus the same horsepower. 331 00:22:20,482 --> 00:22:23,002 But at the North Wilkesboro Speedway, 332 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,550 the tricks of the bootlegger were brought to the racetrack. 333 00:22:28,275 --> 00:22:32,615 Stock car racing has its roots in prohibition 334 00:22:32,620 --> 00:22:35,660 and people trying to escape police. 335 00:22:35,655 --> 00:22:38,655 If horse racing is the sport of kings, 336 00:22:38,655 --> 00:22:42,065 NASCAR is the sport of outlaws. 337 00:22:42,068 --> 00:22:44,548 Everybody worked to try to get lighter. 338 00:22:44,551 --> 00:22:46,521 So your race teams are doing everything 339 00:22:46,517 --> 00:22:49,097 they can to modify their cars, to... 340 00:22:49,103 --> 00:22:52,213 ...bend the rules and sometimes break them just a little bit 341 00:22:52,206 --> 00:22:56,516 to be able to give their car and their driver an advantage. 342 00:22:56,517 --> 00:22:58,407 Everybody cheat. 343 00:22:58,413 --> 00:22:59,933 But you didn't cheat till you got caught. 344 00:23:01,103 --> 00:23:02,833 That's the way... that was our theory. 345 00:23:02,827 --> 00:23:05,067 You don't cheat till you get caught. 346 00:23:05,068 --> 00:23:06,998 If you don't cheat, you're not gonna win. 347 00:23:08,586 --> 00:23:12,306 But even a strict rule book can't completely eliminate 348 00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:14,760 the risks that go with stock car racing. 349 00:23:16,379 --> 00:23:19,999 In 1957, at the Wilkes 160 Race, 350 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,000 the axle of one of the cars snapped. 351 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:29,900 A wheel came careening off, bounced over the fence and crashed into the audience, 352 00:23:29,896 --> 00:23:31,586 killing one spectator. 353 00:23:44,896 --> 00:23:48,066 In the 1950s, NASCAR turned 354 00:23:48,068 --> 00:23:52,068 a farming community into a racing mecca. 355 00:23:52,068 --> 00:23:56,968 But in 1957, a freak accident saw one fan killed. 356 00:24:22,586 --> 00:24:24,716 Fortunately, such incidents are rare 357 00:24:24,724 --> 00:24:27,524 and increasing regulation of the sport has made it safer. 358 00:24:27,517 --> 00:24:29,277 The accident at North Wilkesboro 359 00:24:29,275 --> 00:24:31,615 was an important prompter of those regulations. 360 00:24:32,827 --> 00:24:35,997 But after the incident at Wilkes 160, 361 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,590 the Speedway went from strength to strength. 362 00:24:56,379 --> 00:24:59,069 By the 1980s, the Speedway 363 00:24:59,068 --> 00:25:02,238 was hosting events to sell-out crowds. 364 00:25:02,241 --> 00:25:05,591 Wilkes County had never had it so good. 365 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,480 The economy that brought in, 366 00:25:08,482 --> 00:25:10,862 the people that came in from towns, 367 00:25:10,862 --> 00:25:14,282 you know, that was probably three or four 368 00:25:14,275 --> 00:25:19,405 just little old backyard stores where people stop to buy their drinks, 369 00:25:19,413 --> 00:25:22,453 buy this and buy that and really helped the economy for 'em. 370 00:25:22,448 --> 00:25:24,758 And a lot of times they didn't have enough to sell 'em. 371 00:25:33,172 --> 00:25:36,212 But by the middle of the 1990s, 372 00:25:36,206 --> 00:25:39,166 the county's golden age had ended. 373 00:25:40,620 --> 00:25:42,340 You've gotta bring the spectacle. 374 00:25:42,344 --> 00:25:45,934 As NASCAR grew older tracks like North Wilkesboro 375 00:25:45,931 --> 00:25:47,971 just couldn't keep up with the capacity 376 00:25:47,965 --> 00:25:50,095 and the facilities of the newer tracks. 377 00:25:50,103 --> 00:25:53,793 So unfortunately, by the 1990s, it wasn't used as much, 378 00:25:53,793 --> 00:25:55,723 and even local teams were looking 379 00:25:55,724 --> 00:25:58,034 for other race tracks to race their cars. 380 00:25:59,724 --> 00:26:04,104 At the end of 1996, NASCAR stopped coming 381 00:26:04,103 --> 00:26:09,863 to North Wilkesboro Speedway, taking with it an economy that fueled Wilkes County. 382 00:26:40,758 --> 00:26:42,518 The North Wilkesboro Speedway 383 00:26:42,517 --> 00:26:45,967 has been silent for over 25 years, 384 00:26:45,965 --> 00:26:47,965 but some residents of Wilkes County 385 00:26:47,965 --> 00:26:52,585 have returned to an old occupation and even gone legit. 386 00:26:54,103 --> 00:26:58,453 I've always set out to make a mile strong whiskey 387 00:26:58,448 --> 00:27:02,998 that everybody would like and that wouldn't burn you. 388 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:08,790 I've probably not changed the way I do it in the last 40 years, 389 00:27:08,793 --> 00:27:11,973 but I started when I was about nine-years-old 390 00:27:11,965 --> 00:27:16,095 and I'll be 76 next month. 391 00:27:16,103 --> 00:27:17,863 So, do the math. 392 00:27:19,551 --> 00:27:22,591 The moonshine culture is kind of having a revival, 393 00:27:22,586 --> 00:27:24,136 especially in this part of the country, 394 00:27:24,137 --> 00:27:27,067 and people have gone back to making it again. 395 00:27:27,068 --> 00:27:30,378 Some people collect stamps, some people make moonshine. 396 00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:39,930 Near the nation's capital is a complex designed 397 00:27:39,931 --> 00:27:42,281 to defend America, 398 00:27:42,275 --> 00:27:47,235 but a classified operation there had consequences on a global scale. 399 00:27:52,413 --> 00:27:55,553 This is one of the most important places in American history. 400 00:27:55,551 --> 00:27:57,661 It's the last turn in the Potomac River 401 00:27:57,655 --> 00:28:00,755 before you reach the nation's capital. 402 00:28:00,758 --> 00:28:05,308 You have thick walls, places where there would have been gun emplacements. 403 00:28:05,310 --> 00:28:09,660 It's clear that the whole site was built with one purpose in mind. 404 00:28:09,655 --> 00:28:11,715 War. 405 00:28:11,724 --> 00:28:14,694 However, this structure is not alone. 406 00:28:15,896 --> 00:28:18,336 There's not one fort here, but two. 407 00:28:19,620 --> 00:28:23,790 Directly across the river is another fort. 408 00:28:23,793 --> 00:28:28,383 The defenses tell a story stretching across two centuries. 409 00:28:28,379 --> 00:28:30,549 But while designed for battle, 410 00:28:30,551 --> 00:28:35,001 their greatest contribution came from something entirely different. 411 00:28:38,103 --> 00:28:41,313 And it's not the exterior defenses that would matter. 412 00:28:41,310 --> 00:28:43,660 It's what went on inside that was important. 413 00:28:45,275 --> 00:28:48,855 Stationed here was a top secret organization 414 00:28:48,862 --> 00:28:51,792 that the public wouldn't even find out about until this century. 415 00:28:53,413 --> 00:28:55,283 Much of the classified story 416 00:28:55,275 --> 00:28:57,275 was revealed after an investigation 417 00:28:57,275 --> 00:29:02,995 began asking questions about a code name, P.O. Box 1142. 418 00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:07,830 We were able to get a phone number for a gentleman 419 00:29:07,827 --> 00:29:09,757 who worked here during World War II. 420 00:29:09,758 --> 00:29:13,718 And when we called up, we mentioned the name P.O. Box 1142. 421 00:29:13,724 --> 00:29:17,314 It resulted in some silence on the other end of the phone. 422 00:29:17,310 --> 00:29:22,690 Finally, his question was, "How do you know about P.O. Box 1142?" 423 00:29:22,689 --> 00:29:26,549 The US was able to obtain vital more information. 424 00:29:26,551 --> 00:29:30,831 The work that was done here was hugely important to the allies victory. 425 00:29:44,034 --> 00:29:46,314 Straddling the Potomac River. 426 00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:49,070 The two forts and additional batteries here 427 00:29:49,068 --> 00:29:52,968 were built with one goal in mind. 428 00:29:52,965 --> 00:29:57,545 Vincent Santucci has worked with the Park Service for around two decades. 429 00:29:59,068 --> 00:30:01,478 We are south of Washington, D.C. 430 00:30:01,482 --> 00:30:04,622 and Washington, D.C. is in the distance. 431 00:30:04,620 --> 00:30:07,550 And this fort was constructed specifically as a way 432 00:30:07,551 --> 00:30:10,341 to protect the American capital. 433 00:30:13,413 --> 00:30:20,003 Completed in 1824, the oldest remaining structure is Fort Washington, 434 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,480 but it's only here because an earlier fort 435 00:30:23,482 --> 00:30:26,692 failed to protect the capital a decade before. 436 00:30:29,862 --> 00:30:34,452 With tensions arising in Europe, America feared war, 437 00:30:34,448 --> 00:30:38,068 so it began to fortify almost every key seaport 438 00:30:38,068 --> 00:30:41,308 with new batteries and new defenses. 439 00:30:41,310 --> 00:30:45,760 No seaport was of as big an importance as this one. 440 00:30:47,310 --> 00:30:49,170 The concern would be that the British 441 00:30:49,172 --> 00:30:52,662 had a tremendously well recognized and respected Navy, 442 00:30:52,655 --> 00:30:57,375 and the Potomac would afford a route right up to the doorstep 443 00:30:57,379 --> 00:30:59,239 of the American capital. 444 00:31:03,275 --> 00:31:08,275 Completed in 1809, the original fort was far smaller 445 00:31:08,275 --> 00:31:12,275 than the one standing today with tall earthen walls 446 00:31:12,275 --> 00:31:14,715 and a stone tower to house cannons. 447 00:31:19,482 --> 00:31:26,662 But during the war of 1812, the fort failed in its duty. 448 00:31:26,655 --> 00:31:32,025 The view from this point on August 24th, 1814, 449 00:31:32,034 --> 00:31:34,794 would be looking to the north and seeing the glow 450 00:31:34,793 --> 00:31:37,003 of the fire in Washington, D.C. 451 00:31:39,965 --> 00:31:43,205 Instead of sailing up the river to the capital, 452 00:31:43,206 --> 00:31:46,756 the British had chosen to land further to the east. 453 00:31:48,517 --> 00:31:52,027 They marched to the city and they set it on fire. 454 00:31:52,034 --> 00:31:56,794 This was a huge blow to Americans strategically, but also to their morale. 455 00:31:58,344 --> 00:32:01,524 Next, the British were heading here. 456 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,030 The fort was undermanned, underarmed. 457 00:32:06,034 --> 00:32:08,974 They used the last of their remaining gunpowder 458 00:32:08,965 --> 00:32:13,685 to blow up the fort, making it essentially unusable to the British. 459 00:32:13,689 --> 00:32:16,549 The British occupation soon faltered, 460 00:32:16,551 --> 00:32:19,551 but it was painfully clear that strong defenses 461 00:32:19,551 --> 00:32:22,381 would be vital to safeguard America's future. 462 00:32:23,724 --> 00:32:25,764 It was such an important strategic location 463 00:32:25,758 --> 00:32:28,378 they decided to rebuild on the same site again. 464 00:32:29,896 --> 00:32:32,236 Fort Washington was just the beginning. 465 00:32:33,655 --> 00:32:37,785 The upgrades around this area continued over decades. 466 00:32:39,379 --> 00:32:44,209 Not only were the defenses of Fort Washington rebuilt and strengthened, 467 00:32:44,206 --> 00:32:45,926 but many years later they decided to build 468 00:32:45,931 --> 00:32:48,341 a second fort directly across the river. 469 00:32:50,896 --> 00:32:54,656 The new structures, however, never saw conflict. 470 00:32:54,655 --> 00:32:57,655 But in the 20th century they'd be called upon 471 00:32:57,655 --> 00:33:01,205 to defend America in an altogether different way. 472 00:33:04,275 --> 00:33:06,965 The protection that was done here during World War II 473 00:33:06,965 --> 00:33:08,995 was not just to protect the capital, 474 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,140 but it was a more global outreach to protect the world. 475 00:33:15,206 --> 00:33:18,656 While both forts had been decommissioned by this time, 476 00:33:18,655 --> 00:33:23,655 in 1942, they were brought back into the fold. 477 00:33:23,655 --> 00:33:27,895 Fort Washington housed the Women's Army Auxiliary Corps. 478 00:33:27,896 --> 00:33:33,136 Fort Hunt was requisitioned for a clandestine operation. 479 00:33:33,137 --> 00:33:35,337 The guns had long been removed, 480 00:33:35,344 --> 00:33:37,624 but it became important for something else. 481 00:33:37,620 --> 00:33:40,790 The top secret organization known only by 482 00:33:40,793 --> 00:33:44,213 its mailing address, P.O. Box 1142. 483 00:33:45,724 --> 00:33:47,624 In the early 2000s, 484 00:33:47,620 --> 00:33:51,830 the National Park Service began to research the use of this site 485 00:33:51,827 --> 00:33:53,517 during the Second World War. 486 00:33:57,344 --> 00:34:00,174 There actually were quite a few buildings 487 00:34:00,172 --> 00:34:04,932 throughout Fort Hunt Park that were part of the US Army's 488 00:34:04,931 --> 00:34:09,071 installation here, but most of that is gone, 489 00:34:09,068 --> 00:34:11,518 torn down directly after the war. 490 00:34:13,482 --> 00:34:15,932 Few structures remained. 491 00:34:15,931 --> 00:34:18,931 There was little surviving documentation. 492 00:34:18,931 --> 00:34:22,861 The team needed to find a new source of information. 493 00:34:22,862 --> 00:34:25,692 It wasn't until we had one of our park rangers out 494 00:34:25,689 --> 00:34:29,999 providing an interpretive walk and talk for visitors, 495 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,760 and somebody in the audience raised their hand and said, 496 00:34:32,758 --> 00:34:34,898 "Hey, I know somebody that used to work here. 497 00:34:34,896 --> 00:34:36,476 Would you like to talk with him?" 498 00:34:36,482 --> 00:34:39,212 What followed was a five year project 499 00:34:39,206 --> 00:34:44,166 involving extensive interviews with around 75 veterans that worked here. 500 00:34:44,172 --> 00:34:47,932 We began to uncover a much broader story 501 00:34:47,931 --> 00:34:49,831 of activities that were going on here. 502 00:34:49,827 --> 00:34:52,027 But the primary program has to do 503 00:34:52,034 --> 00:34:55,314 with the military intelligence interrogation program. 504 00:34:56,517 --> 00:35:00,027 Largely, it was trying to obtain information 505 00:35:00,034 --> 00:35:02,594 and intelligence from German prisoners. 506 00:35:17,034 --> 00:35:19,144 Standing near the nation's capital, 507 00:35:19,137 --> 00:35:23,447 the top secret facility known as P.O. Box 1142 508 00:35:23,448 --> 00:35:26,028 was bulldozed after the Second World War. 509 00:35:27,448 --> 00:35:30,928 Using interviews and the few surviving photos 510 00:35:30,931 --> 00:35:35,971 Vincent Santucci has formed an idea of what it might have looked like back then. 511 00:35:38,896 --> 00:35:42,376 One of the most interesting aspects of Fort Hunt, uh, 512 00:35:42,379 --> 00:35:45,789 which is no longer here any longer, are two prisoner compounds. 513 00:35:47,344 --> 00:35:51,244 So the center of the compound would be the prisoner cells, 514 00:35:51,241 --> 00:35:55,211 and it would be surrounded by a gated area 515 00:35:55,206 --> 00:35:58,856 where they can get out and exercise outdoors. 516 00:35:58,862 --> 00:36:02,932 These two large prisoner compounds would be completely fenced. 517 00:36:02,931 --> 00:36:05,901 There would be guard towers. 518 00:36:05,896 --> 00:36:10,406 There were more than 500 prisoner of war camps across the US. 519 00:36:10,413 --> 00:36:14,863 But this site on the edge of the Potomac was something different. 520 00:36:16,689 --> 00:36:18,339 Being close to Washington, D.C. 521 00:36:18,344 --> 00:36:19,934 in the Pentagon was very handy. 522 00:36:19,931 --> 00:36:23,761 The prisoners that were interrogated at P.O. Box 1142 523 00:36:23,758 --> 00:36:27,338 were high ranking officers so that they had the propensity of... 524 00:36:27,344 --> 00:36:30,004 of having more important intelligence 525 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,380 that could help the United States effort. 526 00:36:34,758 --> 00:36:36,308 Intelligence gathering 527 00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:41,480 from the various types of camps proved vital to the allied war effort. 528 00:36:41,482 --> 00:36:44,282 Listening devices were installed, 529 00:36:44,275 --> 00:36:46,475 undercover agents were planted. 530 00:36:46,482 --> 00:36:51,142 And here it's possible that a key German site was first identified. 531 00:37:04,965 --> 00:37:07,095 Headed by Wernher von Braun, 532 00:37:07,103 --> 00:37:11,383 Peenemunde was a key part of the Nazis missile and rocket program 533 00:37:11,379 --> 00:37:14,899 that ultimately brought devastation on London and beyond. 534 00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:40,620 To extract all they could from the eavesdropping 535 00:37:40,620 --> 00:37:45,720 and interrogations, the military had recruited some unlikely candidates. 536 00:37:47,241 --> 00:37:49,281 Many were German born Jews. 537 00:37:49,275 --> 00:37:51,025 They lived and grew up in Germany. 538 00:37:51,034 --> 00:37:53,454 They were impacted by the Holocaust. 539 00:37:53,448 --> 00:37:56,278 They fled Europe, came to the United States and said, "Give me a gun. 540 00:37:56,275 --> 00:37:58,065 I wanna go back and fight the Nazis." 541 00:38:00,241 --> 00:38:02,381 Where they ended up, however, 542 00:38:02,379 --> 00:38:04,689 was a long way from the front line. 543 00:38:21,793 --> 00:38:25,173 The interviews suggest a wealth of valuable intel 544 00:38:25,172 --> 00:38:26,722 was discovered here. 545 00:38:26,724 --> 00:38:30,384 There are no reports of violence or torture being used, 546 00:38:30,379 --> 00:38:34,999 but occasionally the prisoners did require some persuasion. 547 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,340 Here, the older structures had a unique role to play. 548 00:38:39,482 --> 00:38:43,172 With the most resistant German prisoner, uh, 549 00:38:43,172 --> 00:38:45,102 when they finally realized that they weren't gonna get 550 00:38:45,103 --> 00:38:49,623 any information from them, they would blindfold them, handcuff them, 551 00:38:49,620 --> 00:38:51,970 they would take them and they would put them in the back of a truck. 552 00:38:53,965 --> 00:38:56,655 After hours of driving around, 553 00:38:56,655 --> 00:39:00,785 it was hoped they believed they had been transferred far away. 554 00:39:02,206 --> 00:39:05,756 So the vehicle with the prisoner on would drive down 555 00:39:05,758 --> 00:39:09,688 to one of these doors and they would back it in 556 00:39:09,689 --> 00:39:13,719 and then bring the prisoner in and take them into a room 557 00:39:13,724 --> 00:39:16,624 where they take the blindfold off and the handcuffs. 558 00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:18,550 And at that point, out of the darkness, 559 00:39:18,551 --> 00:39:21,591 walk somebody with a Russian uniform. 560 00:39:21,586 --> 00:39:26,306 Even the most resistant pro-Nazi prisoners 561 00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:29,900 usually cooperated better after thinking 562 00:39:29,896 --> 00:39:32,206 that they were gonna go with the Russians. 563 00:39:34,379 --> 00:39:36,759 Following Allied victory in Europe 564 00:39:36,758 --> 00:39:39,138 as part of Operation Paperclip, 565 00:39:39,137 --> 00:39:43,587 a number of leading Nazi scientists and engineers were brought to the US, 566 00:39:43,586 --> 00:39:46,686 including Wernher von Braun. 567 00:39:46,689 --> 00:39:49,279 Reports suggest he was held here. 568 00:39:49,275 --> 00:39:53,715 And by now, the approach to internment had evolved somewhat. 569 00:39:55,103 --> 00:39:58,213 There was one position, it's called a morale officer. 570 00:39:58,206 --> 00:40:00,516 And the morale officer is the person 571 00:40:00,517 --> 00:40:03,897 who actually provides rewards to them. 572 00:40:03,896 --> 00:40:07,066 And so there's some great stories about taking people 573 00:40:07,068 --> 00:40:12,408 that cooperated into D.C. and buying items to send back to their family. 574 00:40:42,655 --> 00:40:47,995 Wernher von Braun went on to play a vital role in NASA's space program. 575 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,790 Alongside him, hundreds of other scientists and engineers 576 00:40:51,793 --> 00:40:53,073 had come through here. 577 00:40:54,379 --> 00:40:57,789 In total, almost three and a half thousand prisoners 578 00:40:57,793 --> 00:41:01,413 were questioned at P.O. Box 1142. 579 00:41:01,413 --> 00:41:06,693 But by the end of 1946, the camp had completed its work. 580 00:41:06,689 --> 00:41:11,339 The structures were bulldozed and documents mentioning its name were burned. 581 00:41:17,482 --> 00:41:24,002 Sworn to secrecy, the sacrifices of those who served at P.O. Box 1142 582 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,620 came close to being lost forever. 583 00:41:28,517 --> 00:41:30,207 Given my background, 584 00:41:30,206 --> 00:41:33,586 it wasn't that easy to be in the presence of a German officer 585 00:41:33,586 --> 00:41:39,026 and quite frankly, it was unpleasant, to put it mildly. 586 00:41:39,034 --> 00:41:41,904 I'd almost feel like vomiting for the very simple reason 587 00:41:41,896 --> 00:41:43,686 I had to be nice to these guys. 588 00:41:45,344 --> 00:41:48,344 But having gone unrecognized for decades, 589 00:41:48,344 --> 00:41:50,664 the work of all those stationed here 590 00:41:50,655 --> 00:41:53,585 was finally commemorated in 2007. 591 00:41:55,275 --> 00:41:59,545 We dedicated this memorial to the veterans of P.O. Box 1142. 592 00:41:59,551 --> 00:42:03,721 These men said that the way that they felt honored and recognized, 593 00:42:03,724 --> 00:42:07,104 made up for the 65 years of being forgotten. 52331

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