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Mm-hmm.
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-(dog barks)
-Lie down.
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Sit down. Lie down.
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-Lie down.
-(others laugh off screen)
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My name is Pauli Murray,
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and my field of concentration
has been human rights.
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My whole personal history
has been a struggle
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to meet standards of excellence
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in a society which has been
dominated by the ideas
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that Blacks were inherently
inferior to whites
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and women were inherently
inferior to men.
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RUTH BADER GINSBURG:
Pauli Murray was a person
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way ahead of the times,
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saying and doing things
that others were not,
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until much later.
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PATRICIA BELL-SCOTT:
Pauli had the nerve
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to confront discrimination
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at a time when there was
great risk in doing so.
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PAULI: Incident after incident
piling up
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meant that sooner or later,
I would either go berserk
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or I would find a way
to protest.
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SONIA PRESSMAN FUENTES:
Pauli was the writer,
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the lawyer, the priest,
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the poet.
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-(typewriter keys clacking)
-(Pauli reading):
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(crowd chanting)
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BRITTNEY COOPER:
Pauli has been so critical
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to so many of the rights
and freedoms that we all enjoy.
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DOLORES CHANDLER:
Pauli Murray was not just
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an amazing lawyer
or a badass feminist,
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but also a queer,
nonbinary person.
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COOPER: And most of the time,
my students are like,
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"Why don't we know about
Pauli Murray?"
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COOPER:
How can one person be so pivotal
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and yet their name is just one
that we never learn?
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(typewriter keys clack)
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(pen scratching on paper)
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(respirator whooshes
rhythmically)
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KAREN ROUSE ROSS:
My great-aunt Pauli
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called me and said...
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she wasn't gonna make it
through the night.
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She said,
"You've got things here
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that you'll need to do for me."
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And she died
a couple hours later.
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I found out I was
the executrix of her estate,
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so I had to gather
her belongings.
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File cabinets lined the rooms,
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and then the bookcases
sat on top.
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Boxes, folders,
letters to the government.
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She saved everything.
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Pauli's will was very clear
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she wanted her papers to be
at Schlesinger Library,
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one of the places where
women's historical papers
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are housed.
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Aunt Pauli did not share
a lot about her life with me.
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I knew she was a priest.
I knew she had been a lawyer.
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But she never, ever mentioned
any of her accomplishments.
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I went and read
what I hadn't read,
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and then I realized,
"Oh, my God."
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"Petersburg, bus incident,
March 1940."
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PAULI: I did not start out to--
deliberately contest
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the Virginia
segregation statutes.
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As so often happened
in those early days,
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an incident would arise
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where there was just nothing
you could do but fight back.
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My friend and I were traveling
from New York
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down to Durham to visit
my two aunts for Easter.
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My friend's name
was Adelene McBean.
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Mac, we used to call her.
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MARGHRETTA McBEAN:
For my mother, it was
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her first introduction to what
was a pretty common situation
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in many parts of the South.
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When you crossed
the Mason-Dixon Line,
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you were expected
to move to the back.
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PAULI:
The bus was the quintessence
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of the segregation evil,
the intimacy of the bus interior
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permitted the public humiliation
of Black people
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to be carried out
in the presence of
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the privileged white spectators
who witnessed our shame
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in silence or indifference.
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McBEAN:
When they got to Virginia,
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the Black people got up
and moved to the back,
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and then more white people
came on.
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PAULI:
The bus driver insisted
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that we move, and the next seat
had this broken seat,
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and we refused to sit on that.
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McBEAN: The bus driver said
he wasn't gonna drive anymore
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until she moved back.
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PAULI: And the police came in
and arrested us.
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Mac and I were hungry and cold
but were afraid to go to sleep
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because the mattresses
were alive with bedbugs.
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When I protested,
the surly night jailor shouted,
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"If you don't shut up, I'll
shut your ass in the dungeon.
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"Time them rats
get through with you,
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you'll wish you'd kept
your damn mouth shut."
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The reality set in.
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The reality set in, and, uh,
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I think it was very scary.
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BELL-SCOTT:
Pauli reached out
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to the NAACP, hoping that
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they could get a ruling
that declared, um,
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segregated seating
unconstitutional.
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PAULI:
Mac and I did a report,
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a summary,
of the case, the facts.
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After we were released on bond,
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we were invited to meet
with NAACP lawyers
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Thurgood Marshall,
Judge William H. Hastie
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and Dr. Leon A. Ransom.
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It was my first exposure
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to a team of able
civil rights lawyers in action,
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and I sat enthralled
for several hours.
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What they were fighting for was
the right of Black people
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to easily assimilate into
the whole of American life.
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But the judge knows that
this is becoming a big deal,
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and so, ultimately,
they get outmaneuvered.
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-(gallery chattering)
-(gavel banging)
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The judge drops the segregation
statute here that's at play
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and just says, "Y'all were
disturbing the peace."
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So they are not able
to reframe legal precedent.
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They serve a small sentence,
uh, and they're let go.
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PAULI:
At the time, I felt only
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the bitter disappointment
of a personal defeat.
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But I began to sense
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that we were a small part
of a teamwork effort
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which envisioned
the ultimate overthrow
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of all segregation law.
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The thought was stupefying.
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(low conversations)
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COOPER:
So, today,
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we have this
really cool opportunity
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to learn about
Dr. Anna Pauline Murray.
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Pauli Murray is just
so spectacular that I literally
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cannot cover all her firsts
and all her dopeness.
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Think about if you're a Black
person in the 20th century
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and you're trying to make
the argument
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that your humanity
should be respected.
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And you live in a world where
people already don't like you
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because you're Black.
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I want to give you
a little sense of-of
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what informed Murray's life.
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(recorder clicks)
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PAULI (over recorder):
This is chapter one,
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page one... (clears throat)
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of an autobiography
in manuscript.
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(typewriter keys clacking)
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In a study published in 1910,
the year of my birth,
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Dr. Howard W. Odum,
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a sociologist then working
at Columbia University,
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asserted that "the races have
different abilities
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and potentialities."
Close quote.
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And that those who wish to help
the Negro should, quote,
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"not expect too much of him.
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"He has little conception
of the meaning of virtue,
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"truth, honor,
manhood, integrity.
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"The best education
for the Negro child
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"would lead him toward
the unquestioning acceptance
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"of the fact that he is
a different race
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from the white,
and properly so." Close quote.
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-(children shouting playfully)
-I can remember this today,
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and I-I can see
that old school building.
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It was a rickety old
wooden building.
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No swings.
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You know, nothing to play with
when you went out.
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And of course,
the white kids' school...
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sitting in a lawn,
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surrounded by a fence,
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it was the contrast between
the treatment we got
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and the treatment
the white kids got.
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And you sense those things.
You feel them.
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(children chattering)
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I come from a very proud people.
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They were stubborn.
They swam against the stream.
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This is the house.
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This is Pauli Murray's
homeplace.
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When she came to this house,
she was three years old,
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and she came as a result
of a tragedy.
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Her mother died
of a cerebral hemorrhage,
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and eventually
her father was committed
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to a mental hospital.
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Even though she was born
in Baltimore,
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this was really her home.
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PAULI:
When I came to Durham,
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the household included
Aunt Pauline and Aunt Sallie
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and my Fitzgerald grandparents.
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ROSS: The Fitzgeralds are
very well known in Durham
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and pretty prestigious
with the Black community.
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The family going back
was mixed with Cherokee, Irish,
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African American.
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It was a family where
there were some members
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who looked so white
that they passed,
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and Pauli was
somewhere in between.
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There was prejudice
based on complexion
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from the white community
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and from the Black community.
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And so they were
an entity all to themselves.
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Pauli was the joy of the house.
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Aunt Pauline didn't have any
children, so she doted on her.
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PAULI: Aunt Pauline taught
in the local public schools,
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and when I was around four,
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she decided to bring me
with her every day.
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I was permitted to sit
with the older children
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and to look on
while they recited.
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Toward the end
of the school year,
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Aunt Pauline was surprised
when she heard me say,
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"I can read, Aunt Pauline."
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I seized the book
of the child next to me
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and began to read out loud.
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All the time
I had been in her class,
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I was learning whatever
she taught the others.
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From then on, the classroom
was my second home.
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ROSS: She was allowed to ask
anything she wanted to ask.
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She was allowed to have
an opinion.
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But Pauli did not want
to wear dresses...
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...and Aunt Pauline used to make
her go to church every Sunday,
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so they made a deal.
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She said, "You can wear pants
all week long,
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"but when it comes time
to go into church,
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you got to put on a dress."
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PAULI: I had a certain kind
of protected life.
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The point at which
life became...
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unbearable
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was in the contact
with the white world.
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People addressing,
uh, adult Negroes
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as auntie and uncle, boy.
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You get maybe 50, 60 people
a year being lynched.
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I don't remember lynchings
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being prominently portrayed
in the newspapers,
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but we would hear about them
by word of mouth.
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(whispering): It was,
"Somebody got lynched over in...
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in so-and-so county last night."
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The awareness of
the Ku Klux Klan
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was always in the background.
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This awareness
to a child of my generation,
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uh, grows with you just like...
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...almost a part of your body
and your being.
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MALE STUDENT:
"We shall endure
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"To steal your senses
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"In that lonely twilight
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Of your winter's grief."
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What is Pauli's awareness
of her place in history?
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Pauli's in this scope
to sort of fix these issues
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that have been created
from the institution of slavery.
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I just think that's so powerful.
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And Pauli's claiming that
and being like,
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"Well, this is my, like, space
and this is my time
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to, like, do this work."
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So she takes up the typewriter
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and writes
to express herself fully.
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It's left there permanently
so that maybe future generations
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like us
can better understand it.
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Well, I suppose
back of all writing
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is a desire to communicate.
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In other words, you want
to share with other people
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some of the insights
or some of your feelings
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or some of your emotions.
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My story is
much more difficult to write
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then writing about
somebody else.
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-Mm-hmm.
-Yeah.
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PAULI: Chapter six,
manuscript page 120.
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After my school,
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I did not want to attend
any more segregated schools.
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This I was determined not to do.
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So Aunt Pauline took me
to New York.
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I was astounded
by almost everything I saw:
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the skyscrapers, Coney Island,
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the Statue of Liberty,
the Broadway Theater District.
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The Automat, where one could
put nickels in a slot
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and get out dishes of hot food.
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Most of all, I was impressed
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because one could sit
anywhere one wanted
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in the subway trains,
buses and streetcars.
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At Hunter College,
I was one of four Negroes
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in a group of 247 women.
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I took all of the courses
that dealt with literature:
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creative writing, short stories.
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Now, remember,
I'm a little Southern child
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with atrocious grammar
and constantly feeling the gap
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between my educational level
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and that of these bright kids
at Hunter College.
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And so, way back in the back
of my mind was always,
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"Have I got it?"
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I graduated from Hunter College
in the class of 1933.
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MAN:
The Great Depression.
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Long lines of waiting men,
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waiting for a free bowl of soup,
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waiting for jobs.
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PAULI: It was the worst possible
time to begin one's career.
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In the mornings,
I went through the ritual
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of a futile search
of help wanted ads.
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♪ ♪
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Despite those hardships,
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being without a job permitted
a freedom of movement
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to travel about in ways
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that were not otherwise
socially acceptable.
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♪ ♪
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I was about to join
an estimated 300,000 homeless,
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unwanted boys,
and a scattering of girls,
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who rode freights or hitchhiked
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from town to town
in search of work.
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I wore my hitchhiking garb--
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scout pants
and a leather jacket--
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and carried a small knapsack
with minimum camping equipment.
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I also had a boyish bob
and had a slight figure,
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flat in the obvious places,
which at first sight
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made me appear to be
a small teenage boy.
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COOPER: Pauli revels in
being masculine presenting.
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There are these
great pictures of her
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in these different kind
of very male-centered poses,
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and she gives herself
different names.
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And so she calls herself Pete.
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She calls herself The Dude.
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Now, when she writes about this,
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she essentially says
that she does it
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to protect herself,
because she can't be
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a single Black woman
riding the rails, uh, illegally
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without fear of being harassed
or sexually assaulted.
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I pledge myself to a New Deal
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for the American people.
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(chattering)
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PAULI: I became one of
the hundreds of jobless women
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who participate in Camp Tera,
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one of the 28 women's camps
established by the New Deal.
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♪ ♪
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I immediately hit it off
with Peg Holmes,
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who was a hiking counselor
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and had
an intellectual curiosity
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which struck sparks from my own.
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ROSALIND ROSENBERG:
Peggy Holmes was the daughter
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of a conservative banker,
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radicalized by
the Great Depression.
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PAULI: Peg seemed utterly
without racial prejudice.
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She read some of my poetry
and then said to me,
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"How can you write
with such compassion?
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I would be bitter
if I were a Negro."
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That spring, Peg and I took
a five weeks' hitchhiking trip
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to Nebraska and back.
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A new person
who thinks as you do
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and will lunch
on an empty beach at dusk.
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These are the small,
everyday joys of life.
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(low chattering)
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Peg and I became interested in
industrial and labor problems,
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and I was introduced
to my first picket line.
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CROWD:
♪ Solidarity forever ♪
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♪ Our union makes us strong. ♪
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PAULI: One encountered
in the labor movement
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an almost religious fervor.
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We threw ourselves into
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the Automobile Workers'
general strike in early 1937.
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I was catapulted into
a radical stance...
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...and I am now beginning
to relate this,
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this whole concept
of freedom and dignity,
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to being a Negro in America.
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I don't think I'll try to record
the next chapter
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until another sitting.
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You-you can imagine this is
an emotional, uh, uh, drain.
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But in any event,
I hope the reader is intrigued.
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ROSENBERG:
Pauli Murray had a sense
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of being a historical figure.
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The Schlesinger Library
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has a 135 boxes
of Pauli Murray's papers.
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Some of it had not been included
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in any of Murray's
published work.
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I came across a folder
that was marked "sexuality."
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♪ ♪
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Murray told doctors
that she appeared to be a woman
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but was really a man.
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Pauli hoped that
a relationship with Peggy
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would be a normal relationship,
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by which Pauli meant
that Pauli would be the man
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and Peggy would be the wife.
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And Peggy could not
bring herself
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to see Pauli as a man.
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And eventually
their relationship ended.
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The time that Peggy Holmes
disappeared from Murray's life
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led to an emotional meltdown
that ended
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with Pauli being hospitalized
at Bellevue Hospital.
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Pauli's notes
while, uh, under observation
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in psychiatric hospitals
were very detailed.
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COOPER: Pauli is depressed,
asking doctors,
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"Why am I dealing
with these attractions?"
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♪ ♪
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RAQUEL WILLIS: These experiences
have always existed.
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Pauli's historical records
allow us to consider
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the humanity of someone
who was Black
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and gender nonconforming in
the time that Pauli was living.
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DOLORES CHANDLER:
Sitting in front of Murray's
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medical records and notes,
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as a trans, gender
nonconforming, queer person
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of mixed race myself,
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I thought, mm...
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"This is a feeling I know well."
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00:27:24,518 --> 00:27:27,646
We've been taught to believe
that people like us don't exist.
404
00:27:27,730 --> 00:27:31,776
So when I came to know
and learn about Pauli Murray,
405
00:27:31,859 --> 00:27:33,527
I was so amazed
and wanted to, like,
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00:27:33,611 --> 00:27:36,530
hold it so tightly,
and also I was angry.
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00:27:36,614 --> 00:27:38,199
I was so angry
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00:27:38,282 --> 00:27:39,700
that I felt, in some ways,
409
00:27:39,784 --> 00:27:43,287
that I had been robbed of
a part of my history.
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00:27:43,371 --> 00:27:46,290
I identify
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with the turmoil of someone
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who was trying to live life
as a complete being
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with an integrated body,
mind and spirit.
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If Pauli Murray
were sitting here today
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and I said,
"You know, Pauli, what...
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00:28:00,513 --> 00:28:02,139
what pronouns do you use?"
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00:28:02,223 --> 00:28:06,936
I don't know what Pauli Murray
would... would say.
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00:28:07,937 --> 00:28:10,940
WILLIS:
Being Black and queer myself,
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I refer to Pauli
as "they" or simply "Pauli"
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to acknowledge their
expansive gender experience.
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00:28:19,365 --> 00:28:22,368
CHANDLER: Scholars who have
written about Pauli
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00:28:22,451 --> 00:28:23,994
largely still use
feminine pronouns,
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00:28:24,078 --> 00:28:25,788
use she/her pronouns.
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00:28:25,871 --> 00:28:29,792
Friends and family refer
to Pauli with feminine pronouns,
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00:28:29,875 --> 00:28:33,629
but I think that we likely
will see more of people
426
00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:36,632
referring to Pauli Murray
with gender-neutral pronouns
427
00:28:36,715 --> 00:28:38,634
as opposed to feminine pronouns.
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00:28:41,679 --> 00:28:43,764
♪ ♪
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ROSENBERG:
Murray never wrote about
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her gender struggles
in her published work,
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00:28:50,896 --> 00:28:54,567
and she rarely talked about it
even with friends.
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She found herself in this place
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00:28:59,405 --> 00:29:02,950
that was, uh, completely foreign
to everyone she...
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she cared about,
except Aunt Pauline.
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00:29:08,372 --> 00:29:11,417
Aunt Pauline called Pauli
my "boygirl"
436
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:14,336
and always was supportive
of Pauli.
437
00:29:15,337 --> 00:29:18,048
Aunt Pauline
allowed Aunt Pauli
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00:29:18,132 --> 00:29:20,468
to be exactly
who she needed to be.
439
00:29:23,929 --> 00:29:26,974
We don't often get
that kind of unconditional love.
440
00:29:29,643 --> 00:29:34,899
But when she tried
to find that in other places,
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00:29:34,982 --> 00:29:37,067
it was really hard.
442
00:29:40,654 --> 00:29:43,199
She was always on overdrive.
443
00:29:44,825 --> 00:29:46,952
She would drink coffee
all night long.
444
00:29:47,036 --> 00:29:49,038
(typewriter keys clacking)
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00:29:50,289 --> 00:29:53,000
She could be impatient.
446
00:29:57,296 --> 00:30:00,925
Most of her life was,
"You will see me.
447
00:30:01,008 --> 00:30:02,885
You will hear me."
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00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,602
♪ ♪
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PAULI: At that point,
the University of North Carolina
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was developing courses
in race relations.
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So I thought,
well, maybe they are now ready
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to accept a Negro.
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They send me
an application blank
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and they have written in
"Race" and "Religion."
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I think I answered it
but may have said,
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00:30:57,481 --> 00:30:59,483
"But what difference
does it make?"
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I got back a letter
from the president
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of the University
of North Carolina saying...
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♪ ♪
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MAN: The President
of the United States,
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on his way home
to the nation's capital,
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pauses at the University of
North Carolina in Chapel Hill
463
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to receive the honorary degree
of doctor of laws
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from the university.
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ROOSEVELT: I am happy
and proud to become an alumnus
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of the University
of North Carolina,
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00:31:52,953 --> 00:31:58,083
typifying as it does
American liberal thought
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00:31:58,167 --> 00:32:01,837
through American action.
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BELL-SCOTT: Pauli heard
this speech on the radio
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00:32:04,131 --> 00:32:08,218
and decided to write
Franklin Roosevelt a letter.
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It was a typical hot protest
letter from Pauli Murray.
472
00:32:13,974 --> 00:32:15,976
(typewriter keys clacking)
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00:32:20,898 --> 00:32:23,901
COOPER: He had been
praising UNC at the same time
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as they're not allowing Pauli
to come to school there.
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00:32:27,404 --> 00:32:30,074
And so you have
a Black person writing brashly
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00:32:30,157 --> 00:32:31,867
to the president in the 1930s,
477
00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:34,370
demanding that he not be
a hypocrite.
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00:32:34,453 --> 00:32:36,246
PAULI:
I was increasingly dismayed
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00:32:36,330 --> 00:32:38,540
over his silence on civil rights
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00:32:38,624 --> 00:32:40,584
and his refusal
even to speak out publicly
481
00:32:40,668 --> 00:32:43,170
for a federal
anti-lynching bill.
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00:32:43,253 --> 00:32:45,255
(typewriter keys clacking)
483
00:32:49,426 --> 00:32:53,347
BELL-SCOTT:
Pauli decided to send a copy
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00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:55,849
to Eleanor Roosevelt.
485
00:32:55,933 --> 00:32:58,727
Mrs. Roosevelt answers
fairly quickly,
486
00:32:58,811 --> 00:33:02,731
and the letter comes
with her personal signature.
487
00:33:02,815 --> 00:33:06,527
"I've read the copy
of the letter you sent me,
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"and I understand perfectly,
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00:33:10,531 --> 00:33:13,200
"but great changes come slowly.
490
00:33:13,283 --> 00:33:17,079
The South is changing,
but don't push too fast."
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00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:21,542
COOPER: This confrontational
posture that Pauli had
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with UNC was indicative
of this thing
493
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:26,547
that she would come to call
"confrontation by typewriter."
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00:33:29,133 --> 00:33:31,093
Pauli wrote letters
495
00:33:31,176 --> 00:33:33,429
which were published,
uh, in the Black press,
496
00:33:33,512 --> 00:33:35,597
so there was
a lot of attention there.
497
00:33:35,681 --> 00:33:38,225
PAULI: And it suddenly
burst out over the radio,
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00:33:38,308 --> 00:33:40,894
"An unidentified Negress
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00:33:40,978 --> 00:33:43,147
makes application to the
University of North Carolina."
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00:33:43,230 --> 00:33:45,899
It became sort of national news.
501
00:33:46,942 --> 00:33:49,653
This was met with consternation
by my family,
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00:33:49,737 --> 00:33:52,448
primarily because they were
afraid they would be lynched.
503
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:57,119
The University
of North Carolina,
504
00:33:57,202 --> 00:33:59,371
that was one defeat.
505
00:33:59,455 --> 00:34:03,000
And the arrest on the bus,
plus a whole lifetime
506
00:34:03,083 --> 00:34:06,336
of seeing the indignities
handed out not only to me
507
00:34:06,420 --> 00:34:09,798
but to poor, rural Negroes--
508
00:34:09,882 --> 00:34:13,427
all of this culminated
in my recognition
509
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:16,221
that if I were going to fight
this battle of segregation,
510
00:34:16,305 --> 00:34:19,600
I needed a weapon,
I needed a skill.
511
00:34:20,684 --> 00:34:23,687
And it was then I decided
to go to law school.
512
00:34:46,627 --> 00:34:48,629
(chuckles)
513
00:34:50,422 --> 00:34:54,593
COOPER: Pauli arrives at Howard
in the fall of 1941,
514
00:34:54,676 --> 00:34:57,638
and many of the civil rights
cases of that day
515
00:34:57,721 --> 00:35:01,099
are being theorized
in the halls of Howard.
516
00:35:01,183 --> 00:35:02,851
You know, Thurgood Marshall
and, uh,
517
00:35:02,935 --> 00:35:04,937
you know, William Hastie
and Leon Ransom,
518
00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:06,605
they're just rolling
through the halls there.
519
00:35:06,688 --> 00:35:09,024
PAULI:
For my first two years,
520
00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:11,610
I was the only woman
in the law school.
521
00:35:13,529 --> 00:35:16,740
They didn't even let me
talk in class.
522
00:35:19,076 --> 00:35:20,702
And I would raise my hand.
523
00:35:20,786 --> 00:35:23,038
Nobody would pay
any attention to me.
524
00:35:25,582 --> 00:35:27,960
My professor said,
525
00:35:28,043 --> 00:35:30,921
now, he don't know why women
come to law school, anyway.
526
00:35:32,798 --> 00:35:34,716
And I was so stunned.
527
00:35:35,843 --> 00:35:38,637
They're talking about
what they're calling Jim Crow,
528
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:40,806
which we all know is a system
of racial segregation,
529
00:35:40,889 --> 00:35:44,268
and she says, what I'm
experiencing is Jane Crow.
530
00:35:44,351 --> 00:35:46,687
To be a Black woman
is not just to have to deal
531
00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:48,814
with the question
of racial segregation but also
532
00:35:48,897 --> 00:35:51,692
to have to deal with the
question of sex discrimination.
533
00:35:51,775 --> 00:35:53,944
PAULI:
I had not grown up in a family
534
00:35:54,027 --> 00:35:56,947
where limitations were placed
upon women.
535
00:35:57,948 --> 00:36:00,325
And at the end of the year,
536
00:36:00,409 --> 00:36:03,954
they ranked the students
and publicized their marks.
537
00:36:04,037 --> 00:36:08,250
Murray, Murray, Murray, Murray,
Murray, top of the list.
538
00:36:09,251 --> 00:36:11,253
Second year, they let me talk.
539
00:36:13,213 --> 00:36:15,299
COOPER:
Murray becomes the advisor
540
00:36:15,382 --> 00:36:17,759
to the student chapter
of the NAACP.
541
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,762
♪ ♪
542
00:36:33,066 --> 00:36:37,154
INEZ SMITH REID: Any time
you went to Downtown Washington,
543
00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:38,989
there were places
that you could not go.
544
00:36:39,072 --> 00:36:41,033
I remember
Garfinckel's Department Store,
545
00:36:41,116 --> 00:36:42,534
you couldn't go into.
546
00:36:42,618 --> 00:36:46,496
Um, restaurants downtown,
you couldn't go into.
547
00:36:46,580 --> 00:36:50,042
The... The National Theatre,
you couldn't go into.
548
00:36:52,628 --> 00:36:55,297
PAULI:
I began to experiment more
549
00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:57,925
with nonviolent direct action.
550
00:36:58,926 --> 00:37:01,553
We started at Fourteenth and U,
551
00:37:01,637 --> 00:37:04,681
a restaurant called
Little Palace Cafeteria.
552
00:37:05,682 --> 00:37:07,726
Now, this was
right in the middle
553
00:37:07,809 --> 00:37:10,938
of the Negro neighborhood,
but it served only white.
554
00:37:13,607 --> 00:37:16,610
And we walked in there
one Saturday afternoon,
555
00:37:16,693 --> 00:37:18,320
they refused to serve us.
556
00:37:19,988 --> 00:37:22,115
We took our empty trays
and sat at the tables,
557
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:24,368
opened our books
and began our lesson.
558
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,415
We filled up that little place.
559
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,003
And it worked.
560
00:37:35,087 --> 00:37:38,131
COOPER: What's amazing
is that they succeed.
561
00:37:42,594 --> 00:37:45,722
They actually succeed
in desegregating U Street.
562
00:37:48,892 --> 00:37:52,020
PAULI: The time had come
to make a frontal assault
563
00:37:52,104 --> 00:37:54,856
upon the constitutionality
of segregation.
564
00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:56,733
(angry shouting)
565
00:37:56,817 --> 00:37:58,402
(gavel banging)
566
00:38:05,158 --> 00:38:08,245
I chose for my senior paper,
567
00:38:08,328 --> 00:38:11,790
"Should Plessy v. Ferguson
Be Overruled?"
568
00:38:12,833 --> 00:38:18,505
Plessy v. Ferguson
is a Supreme Court case in 1896
569
00:38:18,588 --> 00:38:22,384
that said that it was okay
to separate Black people
570
00:38:22,467 --> 00:38:26,722
in public accommodations,
like transportation or school,
571
00:38:26,805 --> 00:38:31,977
as long as the accommodations
were separate but equal.
572
00:38:32,060 --> 00:38:34,479
Essentially Thurgood Marshall
573
00:38:34,563 --> 00:38:35,856
and the NAACP had said,
574
00:38:35,939 --> 00:38:38,108
"Okay, if Plessy says
separate but equal,
575
00:38:38,191 --> 00:38:40,318
"our problem with the law
is that Black institutions
576
00:38:40,402 --> 00:38:42,154
"aren't being treated equally,
577
00:38:42,237 --> 00:38:44,740
"they're not being given
the same amount of money,
578
00:38:44,823 --> 00:38:48,994
and so we'll be separate,
but we want equal resources."
579
00:38:49,077 --> 00:38:50,454
Pauli Murray says
580
00:38:50,537 --> 00:38:52,122
the whole logic of that
is wrong.
581
00:38:52,205 --> 00:38:54,207
Discrimination is
inherently immoral
582
00:38:54,291 --> 00:38:57,627
and what it does is
it reduces Black people's sense
583
00:38:57,711 --> 00:39:00,422
of their own dignity
and their own character.
584
00:39:00,505 --> 00:39:02,507
(Pauli reading):
585
00:39:15,645 --> 00:39:17,147
COOPER: The entire thing
should be overturned.
586
00:39:17,230 --> 00:39:19,900
Y'all need a bigger, bolder,
broader strategy.
587
00:39:19,983 --> 00:39:22,569
PAULI:
My classmates laughed at me.
588
00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:27,157
Spottswood Robinson,
the young faculty member
589
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:29,785
who inspired awe among students,
590
00:39:29,868 --> 00:39:32,079
not only pooh-poohed my idea
591
00:39:32,162 --> 00:39:35,749
but good-naturedly accepted
my wager of ten dollars
592
00:39:35,832 --> 00:39:40,921
when I said, "Plessy would be
overturned within 25 years."
593
00:39:41,004 --> 00:39:45,258
Exactly ten years later,
in 1954, this is precisely
594
00:39:45,342 --> 00:39:48,178
the strategy that Marshall
and his legal team pursue
595
00:39:48,261 --> 00:39:50,972
in the Brown v.
Board of Education decision.
596
00:39:51,056 --> 00:39:54,267
MAN: The Supreme Court
has rendered a momentous
597
00:39:54,351 --> 00:39:55,936
and historic decision.
598
00:39:56,019 --> 00:39:58,313
There shall be equality
599
00:39:58,396 --> 00:40:01,399
in educational facilities
for all people.
600
00:40:03,610 --> 00:40:06,655
PAULI:
I returned to Howard to visit,
601
00:40:06,738 --> 00:40:09,407
and Spotts Robinson said
very casually,
602
00:40:09,491 --> 00:40:10,992
"You know, Pauli,
603
00:40:11,076 --> 00:40:14,329
you remember that
civil rights paper you wrote?"
604
00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:15,914
I said, "Sure."
605
00:40:15,997 --> 00:40:18,542
And he said, "You know, in 1953,
606
00:40:18,625 --> 00:40:22,796
"I took out this paper,
and it was very helpful to us
607
00:40:22,879 --> 00:40:24,840
in our preparation."
608
00:40:24,923 --> 00:40:28,093
He tells me that,
in anonymous form,
609
00:40:28,176 --> 00:40:30,929
my little argument went
to the Supreme Court.
610
00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:33,306
Look around the room.
611
00:40:33,390 --> 00:40:37,018
Turn your head
and look around the room.
612
00:40:37,102 --> 00:40:40,772
Y'all see all of the different
folks that are in this room?
613
00:40:40,856 --> 00:40:44,651
That is made possible
by this decision.
614
00:40:45,694 --> 00:40:47,737
And yet,
when we tell that story,
615
00:40:47,821 --> 00:40:50,282
with that iconic picture
of Thurgood Marshall
616
00:40:50,365 --> 00:40:52,409
standing on the steps
of the Supreme Court,
617
00:40:52,492 --> 00:40:56,246
Pauli is nowhere in view.
618
00:40:56,329 --> 00:40:58,290
♪ ♪
619
00:41:01,668 --> 00:41:05,130
It had been tradition
that the top graduate
620
00:41:05,213 --> 00:41:08,216
in the Howard Law class would
get an automatic opportunity
621
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:11,469
to go to Harvard to do
additional graduate work in law.
622
00:41:11,553 --> 00:41:15,432
Pauli Murray graduates
at the top of the class.
623
00:41:16,433 --> 00:41:18,435
PAULI: The chairman
of the graduate committee
624
00:41:18,518 --> 00:41:20,937
wrote back and said,
"Dear Miss Murray,
625
00:41:21,021 --> 00:41:26,818
"The salutation on your
transcript and your picture
626
00:41:26,902 --> 00:41:29,154
"indicate that you are
not of the sex
627
00:41:29,237 --> 00:41:33,158
entitled to be admitted
into Harvard."
628
00:41:37,537 --> 00:41:39,122
COOPER:
Every part of her identity
629
00:41:39,206 --> 00:41:41,041
is keeping her out
of the institutions
630
00:41:41,124 --> 00:41:43,877
that she wants to be a part of
and, more to the point,
631
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,630
that she's earned the right
to be a part of.
632
00:41:48,715 --> 00:41:52,802
Pauli goes on to Berkeley,
gets a master of law,
633
00:41:52,886 --> 00:41:56,306
and that's essentially the
beginning of her legal career.
634
00:41:59,476 --> 00:42:01,978
♪ ♪
635
00:42:03,104 --> 00:42:04,731
BELL-SCOTT:
Despite being one of the most
636
00:42:04,814 --> 00:42:06,608
highly trained lawyers,
637
00:42:06,691 --> 00:42:11,655
Pauli can't get in the door
in a New York law firm.
638
00:42:12,656 --> 00:42:14,866
Pauli was being
discriminated against
639
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:17,953
on the basis of both
race and gender.
640
00:42:18,036 --> 00:42:20,413
She finally set up her own firm,
641
00:42:20,497 --> 00:42:23,750
and one of the most
painful experiences
642
00:42:23,833 --> 00:42:26,962
was her going into court
to represent a client
643
00:42:27,045 --> 00:42:31,883
and having a witness
identify Pauli
644
00:42:31,967 --> 00:42:35,095
as the prostitute.
645
00:42:35,178 --> 00:42:37,931
Because of course she couldn't
possibly be the lawyer.
646
00:42:38,014 --> 00:42:42,602
Pauli was barely
making ends meet.
647
00:42:51,569 --> 00:42:54,197
COOPER: Pauli had also been
in and out of the hospital,
648
00:42:54,281 --> 00:42:56,449
dealing with depression.
649
00:42:56,533 --> 00:42:59,077
ROSENBERG: Murray suffered
emotional breakdowns
650
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,454
pretty much on a yearly basis.
651
00:43:02,497 --> 00:43:05,834
The turmoil
and the-the suffering.
652
00:43:05,917 --> 00:43:07,836
This is a person
who kind of just needed
653
00:43:07,919 --> 00:43:10,839
doctors to help
in some capacity.
654
00:43:31,401 --> 00:43:33,862
ROSENBERG: Pauli went to doctor
after doctor after doctor
655
00:43:33,945 --> 00:43:36,239
seeking testosterone.
656
00:43:37,907 --> 00:43:40,035
COOPER:
Pauli is imploring doctors,
657
00:43:40,118 --> 00:43:42,662
"Do I have
undescended testicles?"
658
00:43:46,666 --> 00:43:49,044
WILLIS: That would take
an immense amount of bravery
659
00:43:49,127 --> 00:43:50,712
to speak on an experience
660
00:43:50,795 --> 00:43:53,590
that you can't even quite
put in words.
661
00:44:06,061 --> 00:44:08,938
ROSENBERG:
Doctors examined Pauli.
662
00:44:09,022 --> 00:44:10,899
They did X-rays.
663
00:44:10,982 --> 00:44:13,693
Once, Pauli was thrilled to, uh,
664
00:44:13,777 --> 00:44:16,363
be able to undergo
exploratory surgery
665
00:44:16,446 --> 00:44:18,907
because Pauli was sure
that the surgeon
666
00:44:18,990 --> 00:44:21,993
was going to be able
to find undescended testis.
667
00:44:22,077 --> 00:44:25,455
And the surgeon found
an inflamed appendix,
668
00:44:25,538 --> 00:44:26,456
which he removed,
669
00:44:26,539 --> 00:44:28,917
but nothing else
out of the ordinary.
670
00:44:38,885 --> 00:44:44,516
"What does it mean to make
a person's turmoil irrelevant?
671
00:44:46,267 --> 00:44:48,103
"What does it mean to claim
672
00:44:48,186 --> 00:44:51,314
"so many of
a person's accomplishments
673
00:44:51,398 --> 00:44:54,609
"and to write books
about so many aspects
674
00:44:54,692 --> 00:44:57,278
"of a person's existence
in this world,
675
00:44:57,362 --> 00:45:00,949
"only omitting the one aspect
that we don't understand
676
00:45:01,032 --> 00:45:03,451
or that makes us uncomfortable?"
677
00:45:06,162 --> 00:45:07,747
ROSENBERG:
I hesitated
678
00:45:07,831 --> 00:45:10,708
about including
Murray's gender struggles
679
00:45:10,792 --> 00:45:12,710
in my biography of her.
680
00:45:12,794 --> 00:45:14,754
Other scholars said,
well, you know,
681
00:45:14,838 --> 00:45:16,881
that was her private life,
682
00:45:16,965 --> 00:45:20,218
but I came to, uh, believe
683
00:45:20,301 --> 00:45:22,387
that you couldn't
really understand
684
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:25,807
why Murray was so far
ahead of her time
685
00:45:25,890 --> 00:45:30,854
without understanding that
her sense of in-betweenness
686
00:45:30,937 --> 00:45:35,525
made her increasingly critical
of boundaries.
687
00:45:36,526 --> 00:45:40,321
And that allowed her to make
one of the most important ideas
688
00:45:40,405 --> 00:45:44,534
of the 20th century:
that the categories of race
689
00:45:44,617 --> 00:45:47,662
and gender
are essentially arbitrary
690
00:45:47,745 --> 00:45:52,750
and not a legal basis
for discrimination.
691
00:45:52,834 --> 00:45:54,169
(typewriter keys clacking)
692
00:45:54,252 --> 00:45:56,254
♪ ♪
693
00:46:14,814 --> 00:46:18,735
BELL-SCOTT: When Pauli wrote
these hot letters
694
00:46:18,818 --> 00:46:21,988
to the White House,
Eleanor wanted to understand
695
00:46:22,071 --> 00:46:25,742
what was driving
this young woman.
696
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:30,246
PAULI: I had been corresponding
with Mrs. Roosevelt,
697
00:46:30,330 --> 00:46:31,831
peppering her,
698
00:46:31,915 --> 00:46:34,584
since the University
of North Carolina incident.
699
00:46:37,003 --> 00:46:38,546
(crowd cheering)
700
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:41,049
The fact that she was
the First Lady of the land
701
00:46:41,132 --> 00:46:45,970
did not awe me to the extent
that I pulled my punches.
702
00:46:46,930 --> 00:46:50,391
This is what made our friendship
such a great one.
703
00:46:50,475 --> 00:46:54,562
Pauli takes her friends
and relatives to lunch
704
00:46:54,646 --> 00:46:57,190
at Eleanor's New York apartment.
705
00:46:57,273 --> 00:46:59,317
Eleanor becomes
a mother surrogate.
706
00:47:05,406 --> 00:47:08,660
Pauli and Eleanor had
this tremendous difference
707
00:47:08,743 --> 00:47:13,331
in social background, in status,
708
00:47:13,414 --> 00:47:15,708
but they have a lot in common.
709
00:47:15,792 --> 00:47:18,962
They were orphaned as children,
710
00:47:19,045 --> 00:47:22,382
reared by elderly kin.
711
00:47:23,633 --> 00:47:26,010
They were both
veracious readers.
712
00:47:26,094 --> 00:47:27,720
They loved to write.
713
00:47:28,763 --> 00:47:32,809
Dogs gave them tremendous joy.
714
00:47:33,851 --> 00:47:36,396
This is not
a romantic relationship.
715
00:47:36,479 --> 00:47:39,107
It becomes truly a friendship
716
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:42,569
with discussions about, um,
717
00:47:42,652 --> 00:47:44,904
things beyond just politics.
718
00:47:46,447 --> 00:47:49,993
PAULI: I think we were
kind of kindred souls,
719
00:47:50,076 --> 00:47:52,620
if I dare say this now.
720
00:47:52,704 --> 00:47:55,373
But I had no difficulty
relating to her.
721
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,513
She could be
deeply compassionate...
722
00:48:12,223 --> 00:48:14,100
...but she couldn't
possibly feel
723
00:48:14,183 --> 00:48:19,522
the intolerable burden of racism
that would make us scream.
724
00:48:23,651 --> 00:48:25,486
(crowd shouting)
725
00:48:32,619 --> 00:48:34,412
PAULI:
Few Negroes were surprised
726
00:48:34,495 --> 00:48:36,623
when the Detroit riot broke out,
727
00:48:36,706 --> 00:48:38,541
since the racial tensions
which produced it
728
00:48:38,625 --> 00:48:42,170
had been building steadily
throughout the war.
729
00:48:44,297 --> 00:48:46,299
♪ ♪
730
00:48:54,474 --> 00:48:58,227
President Roosevelt
was strangely silent.
731
00:48:58,311 --> 00:49:01,022
His comment came more than
a month later.
732
00:49:01,105 --> 00:49:03,107
(Pauli reading):
733
00:49:10,990 --> 00:49:12,492
PAULI:
Close quote.
734
00:49:13,534 --> 00:49:15,620
It seemed so mealymouthed
735
00:49:15,703 --> 00:49:18,539
that I sat down immediately
and wrote an angry poem.
736
00:49:20,667 --> 00:49:22,502
What'd you get, black boy
737
00:49:22,585 --> 00:49:24,128
When they knocked you down
in the gutter
738
00:49:24,212 --> 00:49:25,546
And they kicked your teeth out
739
00:49:25,630 --> 00:49:28,132
And they broke your skull
with clubs
740
00:49:28,216 --> 00:49:30,134
And they bashed your stomach in?
741
00:49:31,636 --> 00:49:34,764
What'd you get when
you cried out to the Top Man?
742
00:49:36,140 --> 00:49:38,893
What'd the Top Man say,
black boy?
743
00:49:41,062 --> 00:49:43,189
"Mr. Roosevelt regrets..."
744
00:49:56,077 --> 00:49:59,080
-(distant siren wailing)
-(horns honking)
745
00:50:00,915 --> 00:50:04,210
After years of scrabbling
to earn a living,
746
00:50:04,293 --> 00:50:07,505
Lloyd K. Garrison,
who I met at Howard,
747
00:50:07,588 --> 00:50:09,549
called with the startling news
748
00:50:09,632 --> 00:50:12,427
that his firm, Paul, Weiss,
Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison,
749
00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:15,138
needed extra help
in their litigation department.
750
00:50:15,221 --> 00:50:18,182
This was a-a job
that provided Murray
751
00:50:18,266 --> 00:50:21,811
with more income than
she'd ever earned in her life.
752
00:50:25,106 --> 00:50:28,943
PAULI: This amazing good fortune
filled me with anxiety.
753
00:50:29,026 --> 00:50:31,237
I was now a middle-aged woman
754
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,365
reentering
a highly competitive profession,
755
00:50:34,449 --> 00:50:37,160
one of three women at the firm
756
00:50:37,243 --> 00:50:40,121
and the only Negro
among the 65 attorneys.
757
00:50:42,373 --> 00:50:45,293
My most persistent problem
during those years
758
00:50:45,376 --> 00:50:48,838
was handling the loneliness
of the woman professional.
759
00:50:54,552 --> 00:50:56,763
Fortunately, Irene Barlow,
760
00:50:56,846 --> 00:50:59,348
the office manager-personnel
director,
761
00:50:59,432 --> 00:51:03,186
shared my token status
in a male domain.
762
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:10,151
Renee carried herself with
an air of quite self-assurance.
763
00:51:11,319 --> 00:51:13,946
Her strong, attractive face
and blue-green eyes
764
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:16,699
radiated generosity
and kindness.
765
00:51:18,493 --> 00:51:20,203
(indistinct chattering)
766
00:51:20,286 --> 00:51:21,871
Renee invited me to lunch
767
00:51:21,954 --> 00:51:24,999
as a courteous gesture
to a new employee.
768
00:51:25,082 --> 00:51:28,044
Our conversation
was tentative and formal.
769
00:51:31,339 --> 00:51:35,343
But our discovery that we were
both worshiping Episcopalians
770
00:51:35,426 --> 00:51:37,220
was the beginning
of a spiritual bond,
771
00:51:37,303 --> 00:51:40,681
using lunch hours to attend
the Wednesday services
772
00:51:40,765 --> 00:51:44,101
at Saint Bartholomew's Church
on Park Avenue.
773
00:51:44,185 --> 00:51:47,230
Renee just took Pauli
under her wing
774
00:51:47,313 --> 00:51:50,066
to help her to say,
now, don't wear that
775
00:51:50,149 --> 00:51:51,400
and do do this,
776
00:51:51,484 --> 00:51:53,820
and they became
the closest of friends.
777
00:51:54,862 --> 00:51:56,322
PAULI:
Although Renee and I
778
00:51:56,405 --> 00:51:58,574
were very different
in our personalities,
779
00:51:58,658 --> 00:52:02,286
the chemistry of our friendship
produced sparks of sheer joy,
780
00:52:02,370 --> 00:52:05,998
and we gravitated toward
one another for mutual support.
781
00:52:10,753 --> 00:52:12,505
MAN:
On the afternoon of May 4th,
782
00:52:12,588 --> 00:52:15,967
Mack Charles Parker's body
was found floating
783
00:52:16,050 --> 00:52:18,261
in the Pearl River
near Poplarville.
784
00:52:18,344 --> 00:52:20,680
Parker had been dragged
from his jail cell
785
00:52:20,763 --> 00:52:22,974
by a band of masked men.
786
00:52:23,057 --> 00:52:27,144
He had been awaiting trial on
charges of raping a white woman.
787
00:52:27,228 --> 00:52:29,146
♪ ♪
788
00:52:33,526 --> 00:52:39,448
PAULI: For a man to be lynched
as late as 1959
789
00:52:39,532 --> 00:52:42,034
seemed to symbolize
790
00:52:42,118 --> 00:52:45,746
the barbarity
of the American system.
791
00:52:46,747 --> 00:52:51,586
This was following all
of the violence of Little Rock,
792
00:52:51,669 --> 00:52:54,171
the integration
of Central High School.
793
00:52:54,255 --> 00:52:56,757
There had just been
nothing but violence
794
00:52:56,841 --> 00:52:58,843
and violence and violence
in the South,
795
00:52:58,926 --> 00:53:01,262
and then Mack Parker
just seemed to...
796
00:53:01,345 --> 00:53:03,264
just to cap the climax.
797
00:53:07,602 --> 00:53:09,520
PAULI: This was written
on the occasion
798
00:53:09,604 --> 00:53:12,857
of the lynching
of Mack C. Parker.
799
00:53:12,940 --> 00:53:17,528
I am an Episcopalian, and I use
this prayer deliberately.
800
00:53:18,529 --> 00:53:20,531
♪ ♪
801
00:53:28,164 --> 00:53:32,793
♪ Just another day... ♪
802
00:53:32,877 --> 00:53:37,214
PAULI: Lighten our darkness,
we beseech thee, O Lord;
803
00:53:37,298 --> 00:53:40,301
♪ That the Lord ♪
804
00:53:40,384 --> 00:53:44,972
Teach us no longer to dread
hounds yelping in the distance,
805
00:53:45,056 --> 00:53:47,516
the footfall at the door,
806
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,977
the rifle butt
on the window pane.
807
00:53:50,061 --> 00:53:52,563
♪ Just another day... ♪
808
00:53:52,647 --> 00:53:56,901
Defend us from all perils
and dangers of this night.
809
00:53:56,984 --> 00:53:58,986
♪ ♪
810
00:54:01,072 --> 00:54:04,367
PAULI: Everybody has
his breaking point.
811
00:54:05,534 --> 00:54:08,621
My breaking point came
with Mack Parker.
812
00:54:10,831 --> 00:54:12,833
I had had it,
813
00:54:12,917 --> 00:54:16,796
and I felt I needed to get
away from the United States.
814
00:54:19,256 --> 00:54:23,094
ROSENBERG: Pauli gave up
this very prestigious position
815
00:54:23,177 --> 00:54:24,512
at Paul, Weiss
816
00:54:24,595 --> 00:54:29,016
and applied for, and was
accepted, to be a law professor
817
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:33,104
at the newly created law school
in Ghana in Africa.
818
00:54:33,187 --> 00:54:35,189
♪ ♪
819
00:54:36,607 --> 00:54:38,609
(ship's whistle blares)
820
00:54:46,659 --> 00:54:48,035
♪ ♪
821
00:55:07,722 --> 00:55:10,224
PAULI:
I stayed in Africa 18 months,
822
00:55:10,307 --> 00:55:14,061
studied it just the way I
studied law in my graduate work.
823
00:55:15,813 --> 00:55:17,189
(cheering)
824
00:55:17,273 --> 00:55:19,275
BELL-SCOTT:
Pauli's there
825
00:55:19,358 --> 00:55:23,195
in the midst of these
independence movements,
826
00:55:23,279 --> 00:55:27,366
and this is exciting
but also problematic.
827
00:55:27,450 --> 00:55:29,744
PAULI:
It soon became clear to me
828
00:55:29,827 --> 00:55:35,207
that the president of Ghana
had dictatorial instincts.
829
00:55:36,751 --> 00:55:39,170
Suppressing freedom of speech.
830
00:55:39,253 --> 00:55:42,048
I was a person committed
to human rights
831
00:55:42,131 --> 00:55:44,633
whether I was in North Carolina
832
00:55:44,717 --> 00:55:47,970
or whether I was
in Accra, Ghana.
833
00:55:48,054 --> 00:55:50,264
BELL-SCOTT:
The government is concerned
834
00:55:50,347 --> 00:55:52,516
about what Pauli
is teaching the students
835
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,644
about the American Constitution.
836
00:55:55,728 --> 00:55:59,190
Independence, democracy.
837
00:56:14,288 --> 00:56:16,832
PAULI:
My time in Africa
838
00:56:16,916 --> 00:56:19,210
only confirmed in me
839
00:56:19,293 --> 00:56:22,630
that I was a product
of the New World.
840
00:56:22,713 --> 00:56:27,134
I feel as fully an American
as anyone else.
841
00:56:28,135 --> 00:56:30,137
♪ ♪
842
00:56:35,434 --> 00:56:40,064
Black Americans go back
to the very beginnings.
843
00:56:41,065 --> 00:56:44,735
Our blood and our sweat
and our tears and our memories
844
00:56:44,819 --> 00:56:46,987
are built into the country.
845
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,307
We were very intrigued
by Pauli Murray.
846
00:57:15,391 --> 00:57:16,809
Here was this older woman.
847
00:57:16,892 --> 00:57:19,395
I think she probably
could have been our mother.
848
00:57:21,814 --> 00:57:24,942
(crowd singing)
849
00:57:25,025 --> 00:57:27,403
Most of the Black students
were involved
850
00:57:27,486 --> 00:57:29,405
with the civil rights movement.
851
00:57:31,198 --> 00:57:34,368
I don't think I knew at the
time she came to Yale Law School
852
00:57:34,451 --> 00:57:37,580
that Pauli had been involved
in protests
853
00:57:37,663 --> 00:57:40,124
and-and sit-ins in D.C.
854
00:57:40,207 --> 00:57:44,170
As far as we were concerned,
we began the protests
855
00:57:44,253 --> 00:57:46,755
with the sit-in movement
in the 1960s.
856
00:57:46,839 --> 00:57:51,594
We didn't know anything about
the very brave African Americans
857
00:57:51,677 --> 00:57:55,556
whose work is lost
often with history.
858
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:58,976
Pauli Murray
was so ahead of her time
859
00:57:59,059 --> 00:58:02,813
that she was about the daily
work of uncovering new issues.
860
00:58:02,897 --> 00:58:04,648
This is a matter
of great national concern.
861
00:58:04,732 --> 00:58:07,067
BELL-SCOTT:
When Murray was at Yale,
862
00:58:07,151 --> 00:58:09,195
John F. Kennedy established
863
00:58:09,278 --> 00:58:11,322
the Commission
on the Status of Women.
864
00:58:11,405 --> 00:58:13,365
The head of
the overall commission
865
00:58:13,449 --> 00:58:14,658
was Eleanor Roosevelt.
866
00:58:14,742 --> 00:58:16,202
I want to see women used
867
00:58:16,285 --> 00:58:18,746
to the very best,
uh, of their ability.
868
00:58:18,829 --> 00:58:21,665
BELL-SCOTT:
Eleanor made sure that Pauli
869
00:58:21,749 --> 00:58:24,126
was appointed to the study group
870
00:58:24,210 --> 00:58:27,504
that looked at women's
civil and political rights.
871
00:58:27,588 --> 00:58:29,590
♪ ♪
872
00:58:38,057 --> 00:58:40,768
PAULI:
If you rip away everything,
873
00:58:40,851 --> 00:58:42,853
the business of oppression
874
00:58:42,937 --> 00:58:45,981
is the business of not
respecting one's personhood.
875
00:58:48,901 --> 00:58:54,281
All women understand
what it means
876
00:58:54,365 --> 00:58:59,620
to have a diminished sense
of personal dignity and worth
877
00:58:59,703 --> 00:59:02,373
because of one's sex.
878
00:59:05,251 --> 00:59:08,045
MAN: What exactly was
your part in the origin
879
00:59:08,128 --> 00:59:10,381
of, uh, the National
Organization for Women?
880
00:59:10,464 --> 00:59:12,675
PAULI:
I was one of the founders.
881
00:59:12,758 --> 00:59:15,302
REID:
Pauli met with Betty Friedan.
882
00:59:15,386 --> 00:59:16,887
Betty and Pauli
883
00:59:16,971 --> 00:59:19,056
and about 30 or so other women
884
00:59:19,139 --> 00:59:22,101
determined that it was important
to have a new organization.
885
00:59:23,352 --> 00:59:24,937
SONIA PRESSMAN FUENTES:
At a luncheon,
886
00:59:25,020 --> 00:59:27,773
Betty took out a paper napkin
887
00:59:27,856 --> 00:59:31,777
and began to write
that we are forming NOW
888
00:59:31,860 --> 00:59:33,904
to bring women
into the mainstream
889
00:59:33,988 --> 00:59:36,573
of American life now.
890
00:59:38,409 --> 00:59:41,453
28 women signed.
891
00:59:42,454 --> 00:59:45,249
REID: And that's how the
National Organization for Women,
892
00:59:45,332 --> 00:59:48,127
or NOW, was born.
893
00:59:48,210 --> 00:59:50,337
BELL-SCOTT: Pauli was
trying to come up with
894
00:59:50,421 --> 00:59:52,214
a new strategy that would move
895
00:59:52,298 --> 00:59:54,550
the efforts for
women's rights forward.
896
00:59:54,633 --> 00:59:55,884
And she did.
897
00:59:55,968 --> 00:59:57,970
♪ ♪
898
01:00:15,529 --> 01:00:17,865
REID: The 14th Amendment
had led the way
899
01:00:17,948 --> 01:00:22,244
for fighting discrimination
on the basis of race.
900
01:00:27,082 --> 01:00:29,084
COOPER: And so Pauli Murray's
making an argument
901
01:00:29,168 --> 01:00:32,212
that the 14th Amendment
could actually be used
902
01:00:32,296 --> 01:00:35,549
to defend women's rights
as well.
903
01:00:35,632 --> 01:00:37,634
ROSENBERG:
That was a radical idea.
904
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,848
For those of us
who were from the era
905
01:00:42,931 --> 01:00:45,559
of the civil rights movement,
that seemed a bit curious,
906
01:00:45,642 --> 01:00:48,145
and please understand
the background.
907
01:00:48,228 --> 01:00:52,983
First and foremost on the minds
of African Americans
908
01:00:53,067 --> 01:00:55,736
was discrimination against
people of color.
909
01:00:57,321 --> 01:00:58,739
I have to ask myself,
910
01:00:58,822 --> 01:01:01,450
"Eleanor, why weren't you
a feminist then?"
911
01:01:02,493 --> 01:01:05,037
But nobody was a feminist then
except Pauli Murray. (chuckles)
912
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,122
♪ ♪
913
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,613
BELL-SCOTT:
In the mid-1960s,
914
01:01:39,696 --> 01:01:43,283
Pauli was on the board
of the ACLU.
915
01:01:43,367 --> 01:01:46,453
The American Civil Liberties
Union brought suit today
916
01:01:46,537 --> 01:01:48,664
to force a Saint Louis suburb
to accept
917
01:01:48,747 --> 01:01:52,126
an integrated, low-income
apartment housing project.
918
01:01:53,335 --> 01:01:55,254
BELL-SCOTT:
The ACLU was already doing
919
01:01:55,337 --> 01:01:58,132
quite a bit of work
around civil rights cases,
920
01:01:58,215 --> 01:02:02,719
but on women, they were like
any other institution
921
01:02:02,803 --> 01:02:05,722
in our society at the time.
922
01:02:05,806 --> 01:02:08,350
Women were not
well represented on the board.
923
01:02:10,477 --> 01:02:14,231
Pauli was pushing,
pushing them to move.
924
01:02:15,816 --> 01:02:19,695
She wrote a letter arguing
that Ruth Bader Ginsburg
925
01:02:19,778 --> 01:02:21,822
should be a member of the board.
926
01:02:22,865 --> 01:02:26,326
Pauli was a feisty woman.
927
01:02:26,410 --> 01:02:29,329
Pauli had definite ideas,
sometimes...
928
01:02:29,413 --> 01:02:32,666
ideas other people
disagreed with.
929
01:02:34,001 --> 01:02:38,464
Pauli prodded the ACLU
into taking on differentials
930
01:02:38,547 --> 01:02:41,175
based on gender.
931
01:02:42,968 --> 01:02:46,805
STRANGIO: It's always the people
who are experiencing
932
01:02:46,889 --> 01:02:49,224
the most forms of discrimination
933
01:02:49,308 --> 01:02:52,186
who have the most insight into
how to build the solutions,
934
01:02:52,269 --> 01:02:53,812
and Pauli was that person.
935
01:02:59,067 --> 01:03:02,154
BELL-SCOTT: In one of
the ACLU cases in the South,
936
01:03:02,237 --> 01:03:04,907
Blacks were being excluded
from the jury.
937
01:03:04,990 --> 01:03:08,702
Murray's argument was, well,
938
01:03:08,785 --> 01:03:10,787
at the same time we're arguing
939
01:03:10,871 --> 01:03:12,414
Black men should not
be excluded,
940
01:03:12,498 --> 01:03:14,917
women should not be excluded.
941
01:03:16,251 --> 01:03:18,712
PAULI: This is a violation
of their rights
942
01:03:18,795 --> 01:03:20,297
under the equal protection,
943
01:03:20,380 --> 01:03:23,258
a violation
of the 14th Amendment.
944
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:44,196
The court came
right down the line
945
01:03:44,279 --> 01:03:46,823
actually using our language.
946
01:03:46,907 --> 01:03:51,578
After so many losses and
so many failures in a lifetime,
947
01:03:51,662 --> 01:03:54,581
this was my sweetest victory.
948
01:03:55,624 --> 01:03:58,293
REID: What she did became
very important.
949
01:03:58,377 --> 01:04:02,506
So important that when, uh,
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, um,
950
01:04:02,589 --> 01:04:05,968
was called on to work
on a later Supreme Court case,
951
01:04:06,051 --> 01:04:07,928
Reed v. Reed,
952
01:04:08,011 --> 01:04:11,974
she used Pauli's work
and then credited her.
953
01:04:13,267 --> 01:04:16,311
Justice Ginsburg
relied on the analysis
954
01:04:16,395 --> 01:04:17,729
that Pauli had developed.
955
01:04:18,814 --> 01:04:21,817
GINSBURG: We were not
inventing something new.
956
01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:25,612
We were saying the same things
that Pauli had said
957
01:04:25,696 --> 01:04:27,864
years earlier at a time
958
01:04:27,948 --> 01:04:30,742
when society was not prepared
to listen.
959
01:04:30,826 --> 01:04:32,536
PAULI:
What I say very often is
960
01:04:32,619 --> 01:04:35,205
that I've lived to see
my lost causes found.
961
01:04:36,748 --> 01:04:38,667
CROWD (chanting):
Pro-life, that's a lie.
962
01:04:38,750 --> 01:04:40,961
They don't care if women die.
963
01:04:41,044 --> 01:04:43,005
-♪ ♪
-(crowd chanting)
964
01:04:44,631 --> 01:04:46,633
(typewriter keys clacking)
965
01:04:57,477 --> 01:04:59,980
(crowd chanting)
966
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:17,706
I think we're in a time
of very... radical change.
967
01:05:17,789 --> 01:05:21,293
I have not had
the additional responsibilities
968
01:05:21,376 --> 01:05:25,631
of husband, household, children.
969
01:05:25,714 --> 01:05:29,676
Uh, for me, it has been
very important to have privacy.
970
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,512
You have to understand
that Pauli was kind of
971
01:05:32,596 --> 01:05:35,849
a circumspect person,
kind of a private person.
972
01:05:35,932 --> 01:05:37,309
INTERVIEWER:
Did you know anything about
973
01:05:37,392 --> 01:05:39,853
Pauli's personal life
at that time?
974
01:05:39,936 --> 01:05:41,438
I had absolutely no clue.
975
01:05:43,857 --> 01:05:46,443
ROSENBERG: Pauli and Renee
were very close.
976
01:05:46,526 --> 01:05:48,445
They never lived together,
977
01:05:48,528 --> 01:05:52,908
but Renee Barlow was the love
of Pauli Murray's life.
978
01:05:52,991 --> 01:05:55,994
("Symphony No. 4 in E Minor"
by Johannes Brahms plays)
979
01:06:14,596 --> 01:06:16,598
♪ ♪
980
01:06:47,754 --> 01:06:52,426
ROSENBERG: They would meet
each other in hotels
981
01:06:52,509 --> 01:06:55,429
and then worry about the money
that they had wasted.
982
01:06:56,430 --> 01:06:59,433
But they were as close
as a married couple
983
01:06:59,516 --> 01:07:01,768
in the way that
they supported each other.
984
01:07:16,783 --> 01:07:18,910
♪ ♪
985
01:07:26,126 --> 01:07:29,296
Renee, for years,
was Murray's rock,
986
01:07:29,379 --> 01:07:33,550
and allowed her to accomplish
987
01:07:33,633 --> 01:07:36,470
more than she'd ever been able
to accomplish before.
988
01:07:37,471 --> 01:07:41,767
ANNOUNCER: This is WGBH-FM
public radio in Boston.
989
01:07:41,850 --> 01:07:45,562
HOST: Our guest tonight
is Dr. Pauli Murray,
990
01:07:45,645 --> 01:07:49,024
a lawyer, a leader
in civil rights movement,
991
01:07:49,107 --> 01:07:51,860
and now she has turned poet.
992
01:07:51,943 --> 01:07:54,446
PAULI: Well, I want to reverse
what you said.
993
01:07:54,529 --> 01:07:58,825
I'm a poet turned lawyer
rather than lawyer turned poet.
994
01:07:58,909 --> 01:08:02,078
HOST: Now, I think this would be
a good time for you to read
995
01:08:02,162 --> 01:08:04,080
"Dark Testament."
996
01:08:04,164 --> 01:08:08,502
PAULI: I was a Negro slave
following the North Star,
997
01:08:08,585 --> 01:08:12,214
I was an immigrant
huddled in ship's belly,
998
01:08:12,297 --> 01:08:15,175
Always the dream was the same--
999
01:08:15,258 --> 01:08:17,803
Always the dream was freedom.
1000
01:08:17,886 --> 01:08:19,888
♪ ♪
1001
01:08:35,654 --> 01:08:38,573
PAULI: Martin Luther King
stood for the possibility
1002
01:08:38,657 --> 01:08:40,742
of reconciliation
between people.
1003
01:08:44,454 --> 01:08:45,872
JESSE JACKSON:
Dr. King has been a buffer
1004
01:08:45,956 --> 01:08:48,250
the last few years
between the Black community
1005
01:08:48,333 --> 01:08:50,001
and the white community.
1006
01:08:52,671 --> 01:08:54,840
(angry shouting)
1007
01:08:54,923 --> 01:08:58,176
PAULI: My feeling is that
if this country is to survive...
1008
01:08:58,260 --> 01:08:59,886
MAN:
We want Black Power!
1009
01:08:59,970 --> 01:09:02,514
-We want Black Power!
-(crowd chanting)
1010
01:09:02,597 --> 01:09:05,308
PAULI: ...we must
live together in harmony.
1011
01:09:06,393 --> 01:09:08,687
(crowd chanting)
1012
01:09:10,647 --> 01:09:15,193
We must continue to push
for all of our demands.
1013
01:09:15,277 --> 01:09:17,696
COOPER:
Black students had started
1014
01:09:17,779 --> 01:09:19,698
to take over campuses
around the country,
1015
01:09:19,781 --> 01:09:21,449
demanding Black studies
programs.
1016
01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:26,454
So Brandeis invites Pauli Murray
to become a professor
1017
01:09:26,538 --> 01:09:29,416
as a symbolic act to say,
"See, we're being inclusive."
1018
01:09:31,042 --> 01:09:34,337
ERNEST R. MYERS:
I was walking around campus...
1019
01:09:35,714 --> 01:09:40,135
...and I saw
this little brown woman,
1020
01:09:40,218 --> 01:09:43,346
and I asked somebody
who she was.
1021
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:46,224
They said,
"Oh, that's Professor Murray,"
1022
01:09:46,308 --> 01:09:51,479
and I knew I wanted to be
in this woman's class.
1023
01:09:51,563 --> 01:09:53,273
REGGIE SAPP:
We came to Brandeis
1024
01:09:53,356 --> 01:09:55,859
as a part of
the Transitional Year Program,
1025
01:09:55,942 --> 01:09:58,445
and we were also very poor.
1026
01:09:58,528 --> 01:10:00,572
We came from families
1027
01:10:00,655 --> 01:10:03,950
that didn't have books
hanging on the wall.
1028
01:10:04,993 --> 01:10:07,037
PAULI: I developed
a legal studies class
1029
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,205
at the undergraduate level.
1030
01:10:09,289 --> 01:10:11,333
The 14th and 15th Amendments
1031
01:10:11,416 --> 01:10:14,377
have often tended
to meet the claims of Negroes.
1032
01:10:14,461 --> 01:10:16,546
This historical development
1033
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:19,215
has had certain
unanticipated consequences.
1034
01:10:19,299 --> 01:10:22,135
She was dynamic, you know.
1035
01:10:22,218 --> 01:10:25,472
Um, and then the word "Negro"
keeps coming up.
1036
01:10:25,555 --> 01:10:28,892
PAULI:
It seemed to me, Negroes...
1037
01:10:28,975 --> 01:10:30,435
MYERS:
And you-you hear the...
1038
01:10:30,518 --> 01:10:34,272
the muffling through
the small Black section.
1039
01:10:34,356 --> 01:10:35,523
(scoffs softly)
1040
01:10:35,607 --> 01:10:37,943
-(chuckling)
-She's talking about, you know,
1041
01:10:38,026 --> 01:10:42,614
social change in the law
and the history of it.
1042
01:10:42,697 --> 01:10:44,199
You know,
"We're definitely gonna deal
1043
01:10:44,282 --> 01:10:46,242
with the Negro section."
1044
01:10:46,326 --> 01:10:47,535
(groans)
1045
01:10:48,703 --> 01:10:55,543
REID: Pauli went to Brandeis
intellectually sharp, but
1046
01:10:55,627 --> 01:10:58,672
fixed in her ways
in certain things.
1047
01:10:58,755 --> 01:11:00,715
She thought that we should
1048
01:11:00,799 --> 01:11:03,385
always be referred to
as Negroes.
1049
01:11:03,468 --> 01:11:06,471
PAULI: That's Negro
with a capital "N."
1050
01:11:06,554 --> 01:11:08,056
In the South,
it was always printed
1051
01:11:08,139 --> 01:11:11,142
with the ignominious small "N."
1052
01:11:11,226 --> 01:11:14,646
I was immediately attracted
to the capitalized version,
1053
01:11:14,729 --> 01:11:18,233
which seemed to give dignity
to my identification.
1054
01:11:18,316 --> 01:11:22,028
It remains my preference
for describing people of color,
1055
01:11:22,112 --> 01:11:25,865
and I am uncomfortable
with the lowercase "black."
1056
01:11:25,949 --> 01:11:28,034
CROWD:
♪ Black is beautiful ♪
1057
01:11:28,118 --> 01:11:29,411
Freedom!
1058
01:11:29,494 --> 01:11:31,746
♪ That I would agree ♪
1059
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:33,540
Freedom!
1060
01:11:33,623 --> 01:11:36,042
♪ Black is beautiful ♪
1061
01:11:36,126 --> 01:11:37,502
Freedom!
1062
01:11:37,585 --> 01:11:39,379
REID:
And you can imagine in the days
1063
01:11:39,462 --> 01:11:42,674
of civil rights movement,
Black Power movement,
1064
01:11:42,757 --> 01:11:45,719
and here's this petite lady
1065
01:11:45,802 --> 01:11:50,015
teaching at Brandeis,
talking about Negroes.
1066
01:11:50,098 --> 01:11:51,474
-(shouting)
-(drums beating)
1067
01:11:51,558 --> 01:11:54,602
PAULI: I had fought
for opening up dormitories
1068
01:11:54,686 --> 01:11:56,980
and opening up restaurants
in the '40s.
1069
01:11:58,481 --> 01:12:00,734
The new breed who came along
in the '60s,
1070
01:12:00,817 --> 01:12:03,695
they come and they want
separate dormitories.
1071
01:12:03,778 --> 01:12:07,532
Almost as if they're gobbling up
the generation behind them.
1072
01:12:07,615 --> 01:12:09,242
Now, that's hard to take.
1073
01:12:09,325 --> 01:12:11,911
MAN:
Last January, Black students
1074
01:12:11,995 --> 01:12:14,247
at Brandeis University
occupied a building
1075
01:12:14,330 --> 01:12:16,624
and demanded
a Black studies program.
1076
01:12:17,751 --> 01:12:20,128
PAULI: The Black students
took over one of the buildings,
1077
01:12:20,211 --> 01:12:24,424
and my office
was in that building.
1078
01:12:25,467 --> 01:12:28,595
REID: Pauli thought
the students were out of step,
1079
01:12:28,678 --> 01:12:31,848
uh, with reality
and with history.
1080
01:12:31,931 --> 01:12:34,100
They, of course, thought
she was out of step.
1081
01:12:35,143 --> 01:12:37,854
SAPP: They distanced themselves
from her.
1082
01:12:37,937 --> 01:12:40,106
INTERVIEWER: Did Pauli ever
say anything about that?
1083
01:12:40,190 --> 01:12:41,900
Well, I think she was hurt.
1084
01:12:41,983 --> 01:12:43,318
You could see it.
1085
01:12:45,361 --> 01:12:47,238
COOPER:
Pauli just couldn't get it.
1086
01:12:47,322 --> 01:12:50,450
For all of her own
youthful defiance,
1087
01:12:50,533 --> 01:12:52,952
she really struggled
to understand
1088
01:12:53,036 --> 01:12:55,830
the spirit
of young people, who...
1089
01:12:55,914 --> 01:12:57,665
if she were mad 30 years ago
1090
01:12:57,749 --> 01:12:59,501
and they're still dealing
with the same challenges,
1091
01:12:59,584 --> 01:13:02,170
of course they're even angrier
30 years later.
1092
01:13:02,253 --> 01:13:04,756
MYERS: The Black students,
who wanted to be
1093
01:13:04,839 --> 01:13:08,176
like Black Panthers,
thought she was a Tom,
1094
01:13:08,259 --> 01:13:09,928
just by the way that, you know,
1095
01:13:10,011 --> 01:13:12,722
she didn't like the takeover,
she didn't like
1096
01:13:12,806 --> 01:13:15,975
the word "Black," um...
1097
01:13:16,059 --> 01:13:19,312
but if that's all they knew,
1098
01:13:19,395 --> 01:13:21,731
they were missing the point.
1099
01:13:21,815 --> 01:13:23,817
♪ ♪
1100
01:13:28,780 --> 01:13:32,951
For any Black kid on that campus
1101
01:13:33,034 --> 01:13:35,620
and any woman on that campus,
1102
01:13:35,703 --> 01:13:37,622
she was walking history.
1103
01:13:43,336 --> 01:13:46,089
We even went to her house,
1104
01:13:46,172 --> 01:13:48,883
and she opened the door...
1105
01:13:52,887 --> 01:13:59,018
...and every wall
of her house was books.
1106
01:14:00,311 --> 01:14:04,524
From top to bottom:
books, books, books.
1107
01:14:04,607 --> 01:14:06,734
To me, it was paradise.
1108
01:14:06,818 --> 01:14:09,028
And I think the first thing
I asked was,
1109
01:14:09,112 --> 01:14:11,573
"Have you...
have you read all of these?"
1110
01:14:12,615 --> 01:14:14,868
She said, "Yes.
1111
01:14:14,951 --> 01:14:17,996
The ones I haven't read,
I haven't put on the shelf yet."
1112
01:14:20,415 --> 01:14:22,625
SAPP:
We got to trust her
1113
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:25,336
because we came from
educational situations
1114
01:14:25,420 --> 01:14:28,798
where people used to demean you
1115
01:14:28,882 --> 01:14:31,426
because you didn't
know something.
1116
01:14:31,509 --> 01:14:35,096
She always respected
who you were as a human being.
1117
01:14:36,431 --> 01:14:38,600
I remember feeling...
1118
01:14:38,683 --> 01:14:40,476
a little special.
1119
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,520
She would have
that Camel cigarette
1120
01:14:42,604 --> 01:14:44,939
sitting on the end of her lip.
1121
01:14:45,023 --> 01:14:46,357
(chuckles)
Do you remember that?
1122
01:14:46,441 --> 01:14:49,068
-Yeah. -She would take
that cigarette and...
1123
01:14:49,152 --> 01:14:51,154
(laughs)
1124
01:14:51,237 --> 01:14:53,448
And it's almost like,
1125
01:14:53,531 --> 01:14:56,910
"You need to learn something,
Negro."
1126
01:14:56,993 --> 01:14:58,536
(laughing)
1127
01:15:00,872 --> 01:15:05,001
ROSENBERG: Murray was 60
and was very concerned
1128
01:15:05,084 --> 01:15:08,922
that she would not have
enough money in her old age.
1129
01:15:09,005 --> 01:15:12,550
So she demanded that
she be brought up for tenure.
1130
01:15:12,634 --> 01:15:14,385
♪ ♪
1131
01:15:14,469 --> 01:15:16,471
(typewriter keys clacking)
1132
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,948
COOPER: "Lacks brilliance."
"Is not up to standard."
1133
01:15:35,031 --> 01:15:37,075
Pauli is denied.
1134
01:15:37,158 --> 01:15:41,829
It was completely absurd, um,
and so the battle was on.
1135
01:15:52,507 --> 01:15:55,635
ROSENBERG: Pauli said, "My
contributions have been in law.
1136
01:15:55,718 --> 01:15:59,847
"Many of the ideas
that you now take for granted
1137
01:15:59,931 --> 01:16:02,100
were radical
when I first proposed them."
1138
01:16:02,183 --> 01:16:06,938
Pauli conceptualized
so much of what
1139
01:16:07,021 --> 01:16:08,815
the legal architecture has been
1140
01:16:08,898 --> 01:16:11,734
for challenging
systems of discrimination.
1141
01:16:12,777 --> 01:16:15,738
We can't comprehend
legal movements for justice
1142
01:16:15,822 --> 01:16:18,574
without understanding
Pauli's role in them.
1143
01:16:28,084 --> 01:16:29,836
ROSENBERG:
And in the end,
1144
01:16:29,919 --> 01:16:33,256
the president of the university
granted Pauli tenure.
1145
01:16:41,347 --> 01:16:43,349
PAULI:
I'm gonna try to finish the book
1146
01:16:43,433 --> 01:16:45,476
in one more chapter.
1147
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,229
And this is
my most difficult chapter
1148
01:16:48,313 --> 01:16:51,733
because it deals with
one of my best friends.
1149
01:16:53,985 --> 01:16:56,154
SAPP:
Renee took care of the house.
1150
01:16:56,237 --> 01:16:59,282
Renee catalogued all the books.
1151
01:16:59,365 --> 01:17:01,242
She took care of the dog.
1152
01:17:01,326 --> 01:17:04,787
She kept Pauli Murray's agendas.
1153
01:17:04,871 --> 01:17:06,414
You know, if she couldn't
find something,
1154
01:17:06,497 --> 01:17:08,207
"Oh, Renee,
you know where this is?"
1155
01:17:08,291 --> 01:17:10,710
You know, that kind of thing.
1156
01:17:10,793 --> 01:17:14,422
Most people did not know
that Pauli was gay.
1157
01:17:15,423 --> 01:17:19,093
And we all kept it
under the radar.
1158
01:17:19,177 --> 01:17:21,846
INTERVIEWER: How did you know?
Did Pauli talk to you about it?
1159
01:17:21,929 --> 01:17:26,434
No. I mean, I don't know
how to describe it,
1160
01:17:26,517 --> 01:17:28,936
but if you're around someone
1161
01:17:29,020 --> 01:17:30,313
-long enough...
-Long enough.
1162
01:17:30,396 --> 01:17:33,399
...you-you get a hint.
1163
01:17:33,483 --> 01:17:36,694
I mean, you just know.
1164
01:17:36,778 --> 01:17:39,697
Did Pauli talk about Renee?
1165
01:17:39,781 --> 01:17:42,283
She talked about--
Renee was her friend.
1166
01:17:42,367 --> 01:17:43,910
-That's the way she spoke...
-Mm-hmm.
1167
01:17:43,993 --> 01:17:45,536
-...to us about it.
-Always friend.
1168
01:17:45,620 --> 01:17:47,622
♪ ♪
1169
01:17:57,465 --> 01:17:59,092
ROSENBERG:
Renee gets sick.
1170
01:18:02,261 --> 01:18:05,598
She has a recurrence
of breast cancer.
1171
01:18:05,681 --> 01:18:09,352
She undergoes treatments
that are unsuccessful,
1172
01:18:09,435 --> 01:18:12,146
and she dies in 1973.
1173
01:18:27,245 --> 01:18:28,996
PAULI:
Most people who go through
1174
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,875
the death and dying of cancer,
1175
01:18:32,959 --> 01:18:35,461
I say we're the walking wounded.
1176
01:18:35,545 --> 01:18:37,547
♪ ♪
1177
01:19:07,827 --> 01:19:09,829
♪ ♪
1178
01:19:39,150 --> 01:19:42,361
PAULI: It seemed to me,
as I looked back over my life,
1179
01:19:42,445 --> 01:19:46,282
that all of these problems
of human rights
1180
01:19:46,365 --> 01:19:47,825
in which I had been involved
1181
01:19:47,909 --> 01:19:49,994
were moral
and spiritual problems.
1182
01:19:51,078 --> 01:19:53,581
And I saw that the profession
1183
01:19:53,664 --> 01:19:56,542
to which I had devoted
my life-- law--
1184
01:19:56,626 --> 01:19:59,545
could not give us the answers.
1185
01:19:59,629 --> 01:20:02,048
And I asked myself,
1186
01:20:02,131 --> 01:20:05,176
"What do you want to do
with the time you have left?"
1187
01:20:06,344 --> 01:20:09,013
I was being pointed
in the direction
1188
01:20:09,096 --> 01:20:12,391
of the priesthood or...
1189
01:20:12,475 --> 01:20:15,561
service to the church.
1190
01:20:15,645 --> 01:20:17,021
All of a sudden, she tells me
1191
01:20:17,104 --> 01:20:18,606
she's gonna be
an Episcopal priest.
1192
01:20:18,689 --> 01:20:20,566
I was stunned.
1193
01:20:20,650 --> 01:20:22,610
Pauli was deeply religious.
1194
01:20:22,693 --> 01:20:24,695
I must say
that I did not understand
1195
01:20:24,779 --> 01:20:26,405
that part of her, but she was.
1196
01:20:26,489 --> 01:20:28,741
Well, nobody could really
figure out what she was doing.
1197
01:20:28,824 --> 01:20:31,494
"You're gonna leave your job
and go where for four years?
1198
01:20:31,577 --> 01:20:33,955
Seminary school? Are you crazy?"
1199
01:20:34,038 --> 01:20:37,083
(bell tolling)
1200
01:20:37,166 --> 01:20:39,544
MAN: Today at the old
Chapel of the Cross,
1201
01:20:39,627 --> 01:20:42,171
at the very altar
where her grandmother
1202
01:20:42,255 --> 01:20:43,839
was baptized as a slave,
1203
01:20:43,923 --> 01:20:46,717
the Holy Eucharist
is to be celebrated
1204
01:20:46,801 --> 01:20:50,471
for the first time by
the Reverend Dr. Pauli Murray.
1205
01:20:50,555 --> 01:20:52,557
(congregation singing hymn)
1206
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,644
ROSENBERG:
By the time Pauli graduates
1207
01:20:56,727 --> 01:20:58,563
from theological school,
1208
01:20:58,646 --> 01:21:00,356
on the basis of Pauli's efforts
1209
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,358
and the efforts
of many other women,
1210
01:21:02,441 --> 01:21:05,611
the Episcopal Church
decides to grant women
1211
01:21:05,695 --> 01:21:07,446
the right to be ordained.
1212
01:21:07,530 --> 01:21:09,782
And Pauli Murray is
the very first Black woman
1213
01:21:09,865 --> 01:21:13,244
to be ordained
in the Episcopal Church.
1214
01:21:13,327 --> 01:21:17,415
The Holy Gospel of
our Lord Jesus Christ
1215
01:21:17,498 --> 01:21:19,458
according to Luke.
1216
01:21:19,542 --> 01:21:21,836
CONGREGATION:
Glory to you, Lord Christ.
1217
01:21:21,919 --> 01:21:24,505
The peace of the Lord
be with you.
1218
01:21:24,589 --> 01:21:26,966
CONGREGATION:
And also with you.
1219
01:21:28,175 --> 01:21:30,428
(indistinct chatter)
1220
01:21:30,511 --> 01:21:33,097
PAULI: What I was trying
to communicate
1221
01:21:33,180 --> 01:21:36,601
as I administered the bread
1222
01:21:36,684 --> 01:21:41,981
was a lovingness
for each individual.
1223
01:21:42,064 --> 01:21:44,650
(organ playing)
1224
01:21:44,734 --> 01:21:46,902
I think reconciliation
is taking place
1225
01:21:46,986 --> 01:21:49,113
between individuals,
groping out,
1226
01:21:49,196 --> 01:21:51,073
reaching toward one another.
1227
01:21:52,825 --> 01:21:55,411
It was not I as an individual,
1228
01:21:55,494 --> 01:21:58,789
it was that
historic moment in time
1229
01:21:58,873 --> 01:22:04,754
when I represented
a symbol of the past,
1230
01:22:04,837 --> 01:22:08,215
of the suffering,
of the conflict,
1231
01:22:08,299 --> 01:22:10,801
reaching out my hand
symbolically
1232
01:22:10,885 --> 01:22:15,014
and all of those behind me,
and they were responding.
1233
01:22:16,265 --> 01:22:19,226
ROSS: She wasn't a listener
when I was growing up.
1234
01:22:19,310 --> 01:22:21,729
She was a talker.
1235
01:22:21,812 --> 01:22:25,024
And after seminary school, um,
1236
01:22:25,107 --> 01:22:26,859
she became a listener.
1237
01:22:28,402 --> 01:22:30,863
As intense as she had been
in fighting
1238
01:22:30,946 --> 01:22:35,076
and struggling
and changing the world,
1239
01:22:35,159 --> 01:22:37,411
she was just as compassionate
1240
01:22:37,495 --> 01:22:42,750
as that when she was
mentoring to people
1241
01:22:42,833 --> 01:22:44,377
through the church.
1242
01:22:44,460 --> 01:22:46,420
(bell tolling)
1243
01:23:13,406 --> 01:23:15,783
She had written short stories.
1244
01:23:15,866 --> 01:23:16,992
She had written
1245
01:23:17,076 --> 01:23:19,704
Proud Shoes,
a family history.
1246
01:23:20,996 --> 01:23:22,873
She and James Baldwin
1247
01:23:22,957 --> 01:23:25,209
were the first
African American writers
1248
01:23:25,292 --> 01:23:29,338
to be colonists at the
prestigious MacDowell Colony.
1249
01:23:31,340 --> 01:23:33,843
By the early 1980s,
1250
01:23:33,926 --> 01:23:37,263
she had just about finished,
in her words,
1251
01:23:37,346 --> 01:23:39,765
"that dreaded autobiography."
1252
01:23:39,849 --> 01:23:41,851
♪ ♪
1253
01:23:44,395 --> 01:23:47,314
Also, there were signs
1254
01:23:47,398 --> 01:23:50,276
that she had pancreatic cancer.
1255
01:23:52,820 --> 01:23:54,697
MAN:
What do you fear most?
1256
01:23:54,780 --> 01:23:56,323
Just as a general question.
1257
01:23:56,407 --> 01:23:59,201
PAULI:
What do I fear most?
1258
01:23:59,285 --> 01:24:01,704
Probably dying without finishing
1259
01:24:01,787 --> 01:24:05,249
what I'm...
what I want to finish.
1260
01:24:07,251 --> 01:24:09,336
ROSS: It was important for her
to tell her story
1261
01:24:09,420 --> 01:24:11,172
the way she wanted it told.
1262
01:24:19,805 --> 01:24:22,349
I knew she was working
on-on another book,
1263
01:24:22,433 --> 01:24:23,851
a-a memoir,
1264
01:24:23,934 --> 01:24:27,938
and I knew she was kind of
racing the-the clock.
1265
01:24:28,022 --> 01:24:30,024
(typewriter keys clacking)
1266
01:24:32,943 --> 01:24:34,862
It was,
"Let's get this book done."
1267
01:24:34,945 --> 01:24:37,782
(typewriter keys clacking)
1268
01:24:37,865 --> 01:24:40,034
She could be impatient.
1269
01:24:40,117 --> 01:24:41,577
PAULI:
What I tried to do
1270
01:24:41,660 --> 01:24:46,040
was to give a picture
of Negro life
1271
01:24:46,123 --> 01:24:48,459
that reflects the fact
1272
01:24:48,542 --> 01:24:52,046
that we have lived
so much like other Americans
1273
01:24:52,129 --> 01:24:54,965
and that in spite
of all of the difficulties
1274
01:24:55,049 --> 01:24:56,926
and adversities,
there are these flashes
1275
01:24:57,009 --> 01:25:02,264
of-of, uh, joy and humor.
1276
01:25:06,727 --> 01:25:08,729
(typewriter keys clacking)
1277
01:25:10,105 --> 01:25:13,818
I'm very close to the end
of, uh,
1278
01:25:13,901 --> 01:25:17,780
of this, uh, manuscript,
page 504.
1279
01:25:18,906 --> 01:25:22,159
If there were moments
of deep despair,
1280
01:25:22,243 --> 01:25:24,912
there was
the sustaining knowledge
1281
01:25:24,995 --> 01:25:26,580
that in the quest
for human dignity,
1282
01:25:26,664 --> 01:25:28,874
one is part of
a continuous movement
1283
01:25:28,958 --> 01:25:30,876
through time and history,
1284
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,963
linked to a higher
moral force in the universe.
1285
01:25:34,046 --> 01:25:36,048
♪ ♪
1286
01:25:52,147 --> 01:25:54,191
COOPER:
Pauli left a legacy,
1287
01:25:54,275 --> 01:25:57,236
so why would we leave it
on the table?
1288
01:25:57,319 --> 01:25:59,321
We literally live in
an architecture of the world
1289
01:25:59,405 --> 01:26:00,823
that Pauli Murray built.
1290
01:26:07,580 --> 01:26:10,040
BELL-SCOTT: There are
some scholars who now argue
1291
01:26:10,124 --> 01:26:13,002
that you cannot
teach American history
1292
01:26:13,085 --> 01:26:14,879
without teaching about
Pauli Murray.
1293
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,842
♪ ♪
1294
01:26:29,643 --> 01:26:32,313
STRANGIO: When we were
presenting our case
1295
01:26:32,396 --> 01:26:35,357
before the Supreme Court
to ensure that LGBTQ people
1296
01:26:35,441 --> 01:26:40,571
are protected under federal laws
prohibiting sex discrimination,
1297
01:26:40,654 --> 01:26:42,114
it was impossible
to conceptualize
1298
01:26:42,197 --> 01:26:43,991
that work without Pauli.
1299
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:47,953
WILLIS:
Pauli may not have realized
1300
01:26:48,037 --> 01:26:52,249
that they would be
a beacon of solace
1301
01:26:52,333 --> 01:26:54,335
for so many queer
and transgender
1302
01:26:54,418 --> 01:26:56,170
and gender nonconforming folks.
1303
01:26:56,253 --> 01:26:59,965
Generations down the road,
that's what they've become.
1304
01:27:17,983 --> 01:27:19,944
WOMAN: Today we're sitting
in Pauli Murray College.
1305
01:27:20,027 --> 01:27:22,696
Back then,
Pauli Murray would not have
1306
01:27:22,780 --> 01:27:24,031
even dreamed
of anything like this.
1307
01:27:25,074 --> 01:27:27,076
(applause)
1308
01:27:29,620 --> 01:27:33,165
CHANDLER: If Pauli had
been able to really
1309
01:27:33,248 --> 01:27:37,002
fully inhabit themselves,
I think that it only would've...
1310
01:27:37,086 --> 01:27:39,755
would've improved the
contributions that Pauli made
1311
01:27:39,838 --> 01:27:44,259
to the law or to religion,
writing or to poetry.
1312
01:27:44,343 --> 01:27:46,387
What kind of magic
would've happened?
1313
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:47,721
(laughs)
1314
01:27:47,805 --> 01:27:49,348
TINA LU:
If you study the past,
1315
01:27:49,431 --> 01:27:51,183
you have to let go of the idea
1316
01:27:51,266 --> 01:27:54,561
that the people who become
well-respected and celebrated
1317
01:27:54,645 --> 01:27:56,897
correlate with the people
1318
01:27:56,981 --> 01:28:01,235
who deserve to be celebrated
and well-respected.
1319
01:28:01,318 --> 01:28:04,905
Pauli is somebody
whose time had not come.
1320
01:28:04,989 --> 01:28:07,783
Um, it might not yet come fully.
1321
01:28:08,826 --> 01:28:11,829
We have to work for a world
in which it does come.
1322
01:28:11,912 --> 01:28:13,914
♪ ♪
1323
01:28:19,545 --> 01:28:21,296
KELEONA JIMINEZ:
Give me a song of hope
1324
01:28:21,380 --> 01:28:22,923
And a world where I can sing it.
1325
01:28:23,007 --> 01:28:25,050
Give me a song of kindliness
1326
01:28:25,134 --> 01:28:26,802
And a country
where I can live it.
1327
01:28:26,885 --> 01:28:29,388
Give me a song of hope and love
1328
01:28:29,471 --> 01:28:31,265
And a brown girl's heart
to hear it.
1329
01:28:31,348 --> 01:28:33,058
Pauli Murray.
1330
01:28:34,351 --> 01:28:36,353
("This Train" by
Sister Rosetta Tharpe plays)
1331
01:28:44,987 --> 01:28:49,992
-♪ This train is a clean train ♪
-(rhythmic clapping)
1332
01:28:50,075 --> 01:28:51,952
♪ This train ♪
1333
01:28:54,830 --> 01:28:59,001
♪ This train is a clean train ♪
1334
01:28:59,084 --> 01:29:01,837
♪ This train ♪
1335
01:29:04,548 --> 01:29:08,802
♪ This train is a clean train ♪
1336
01:29:08,886 --> 01:29:13,640
♪ Everybody riding
in Jesus' name ♪
1337
01:29:13,724 --> 01:29:18,228
♪ This train is a clean train ♪
1338
01:29:18,312 --> 01:29:20,397
♪ This train ♪
1339
01:29:22,900 --> 01:29:27,488
♪ This train
is bound for glory ♪
1340
01:29:27,571 --> 01:29:29,073
♪ This train ♪
1341
01:29:32,576 --> 01:29:36,580
♪ This train, Brother Spann,
is bound for glory ♪
1342
01:29:36,663 --> 01:29:38,582
♪ You know this train ♪
1343
01:29:41,752 --> 01:29:46,381
♪ This train is bound
for glory ♪
1344
01:29:46,465 --> 01:29:50,135
♪ Everybody riding her
got to be holy ♪
1345
01:29:50,219 --> 01:29:55,724
♪ Because this train
is a clean train ♪
1346
01:29:55,808 --> 01:30:00,979
♪ This train. ♪
1347
01:30:01,063 --> 01:30:02,981
(song ends)
1348
01:30:03,065 --> 01:30:05,067
♪ ♪
1349
01:30:34,263 --> 01:30:36,265
♪ ♪
1350
01:31:05,878 --> 01:31:07,880
♪ ♪
1351
01:31:38,744 --> 01:31:40,746
♪ ♪
1352
01:32:11,193 --> 01:32:13,195
♪ ♪
1353
01:32:43,225 --> 01:32:45,227
♪ ♪
1354
01:33:10,335 --> 01:33:12,337
-(music ends)
-(typewriter keys clack)
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