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Lie down. 6 00:01:27,671 --> 00:01:30,549 -Lie down. -(others laugh off screen) 7 00:01:36,722 --> 00:01:39,642 My name is Pauli Murray, 8 00:01:39,725 --> 00:01:42,895 and my field of concentration has been human rights. 9 00:01:43,938 --> 00:01:46,232 My whole personal history has been a struggle 10 00:01:46,315 --> 00:01:48,484 to meet standards of excellence 11 00:01:48,567 --> 00:01:53,280 in a society which has been dominated by the ideas 12 00:01:53,364 --> 00:01:56,826 that Blacks were inherently inferior to whites 13 00:01:56,909 --> 00:02:01,747 and women were inherently inferior to men. 14 00:02:01,831 --> 00:02:04,416 ♪ ♪ 15 00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:07,253 RUTH BADER GINSBURG: Pauli Murray was a person 16 00:02:07,336 --> 00:02:09,255 way ahead of the times, 17 00:02:09,338 --> 00:02:12,466 saying and doing things that others were not, 18 00:02:12,550 --> 00:02:14,093 until much later. 19 00:02:14,176 --> 00:02:16,720 PATRICIA BELL-SCOTT: Pauli had the nerve 20 00:02:16,804 --> 00:02:18,055 to confront discrimination 21 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:21,433 at a time when there was great risk in doing so. 22 00:02:21,517 --> 00:02:24,728 PAULI: Incident after incident piling up 23 00:02:24,812 --> 00:02:28,357 meant that sooner or later, I would either go berserk 24 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,943 or I would find a way to protest. 25 00:02:31,026 --> 00:02:32,778 SONIA PRESSMAN FUENTES: Pauli was the writer, 26 00:02:32,862 --> 00:02:34,989 the lawyer, the priest, 27 00:02:35,072 --> 00:02:36,282 the poet. 28 00:02:36,365 --> 00:02:38,242 -(typewriter keys clacking) -(Pauli reading): 29 00:02:45,457 --> 00:02:46,584 (crowd chanting) 30 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:48,252 BRITTNEY COOPER: Pauli has been so critical 31 00:02:48,335 --> 00:02:50,087 to so many of the rights and freedoms that we all enjoy. 32 00:02:50,170 --> 00:02:52,798 DOLORES CHANDLER: Pauli Murray was not just 33 00:02:52,882 --> 00:02:56,093 an amazing lawyer or a badass feminist, 34 00:02:56,176 --> 00:02:59,346 but also a queer, nonbinary person. 35 00:02:59,430 --> 00:03:01,265 COOPER: And most of the time, my students are like, 36 00:03:01,348 --> 00:03:03,684 "Why don't we know about Pauli Murray?" 37 00:03:03,767 --> 00:03:05,769 ♪ ♪ 38 00:03:09,690 --> 00:03:12,401 COOPER: How can one person be so pivotal 39 00:03:12,484 --> 00:03:15,487 and yet their name is just one that we never learn? 40 00:03:17,406 --> 00:03:19,241 (typewriter keys clack) 41 00:03:19,325 --> 00:03:21,327 (pen scratching on paper) 42 00:03:28,792 --> 00:03:31,128 (respirator whooshes rhythmically) 43 00:03:35,007 --> 00:03:37,176 KAREN ROUSE ROSS: My great-aunt Pauli 44 00:03:37,259 --> 00:03:40,137 called me and said... 45 00:03:40,220 --> 00:03:42,389 she wasn't gonna make it through the night. 46 00:03:45,601 --> 00:03:47,561 She said, "You've got things here 47 00:03:47,645 --> 00:03:49,730 that you'll need to do for me." 48 00:03:49,813 --> 00:03:52,399 And she died a couple hours later. 49 00:03:54,234 --> 00:03:58,405 I found out I was the executrix of her estate, 50 00:03:58,489 --> 00:04:01,408 so I had to gather her belongings. 51 00:04:01,492 --> 00:04:03,869 File cabinets lined the rooms, 52 00:04:03,953 --> 00:04:07,539 and then the bookcases sat on top. 53 00:04:07,623 --> 00:04:11,126 Boxes, folders, letters to the government. 54 00:04:11,210 --> 00:04:13,837 She saved everything. 55 00:04:16,173 --> 00:04:19,677 Pauli's will was very clear 56 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,055 she wanted her papers to be at Schlesinger Library, 57 00:04:23,138 --> 00:04:26,767 one of the places where women's historical papers 58 00:04:26,850 --> 00:04:28,477 are housed. 59 00:04:29,603 --> 00:04:32,815 Aunt Pauli did not share a lot about her life with me. 60 00:04:34,483 --> 00:04:38,028 I knew she was a priest. I knew she had been a lawyer. 61 00:04:38,112 --> 00:04:42,491 But she never, ever mentioned any of her accomplishments. 62 00:04:48,998 --> 00:04:53,043 I went and read what I hadn't read, 63 00:04:53,127 --> 00:04:56,130 and then I realized, "Oh, my God." 64 00:05:00,259 --> 00:05:05,347 "Petersburg, bus incident, March 1940." 65 00:05:05,431 --> 00:05:07,433 ♪ ♪ 66 00:05:19,611 --> 00:05:24,575 PAULI: I did not start out to-- deliberately contest 67 00:05:24,658 --> 00:05:27,661 the Virginia segregation statutes. 68 00:05:29,621 --> 00:05:34,460 As so often happened in those early days, 69 00:05:34,543 --> 00:05:36,545 an incident would arise 70 00:05:36,628 --> 00:05:41,633 where there was just nothing you could do but fight back. 71 00:05:43,594 --> 00:05:48,140 My friend and I were traveling from New York 72 00:05:48,223 --> 00:05:52,936 down to Durham to visit my two aunts for Easter. 73 00:05:53,020 --> 00:05:57,149 My friend's name was Adelene McBean. 74 00:05:57,232 --> 00:06:00,027 Mac, we used to call her. 75 00:06:00,110 --> 00:06:02,071 MARGHRETTA McBEAN: For my mother, it was 76 00:06:02,154 --> 00:06:07,034 her first introduction to what was a pretty common situation 77 00:06:07,117 --> 00:06:09,203 in many parts of the South. 78 00:06:09,286 --> 00:06:11,497 When you crossed the Mason-Dixon Line, 79 00:06:11,580 --> 00:06:14,541 you were expected to move to the back. 80 00:06:24,384 --> 00:06:26,595 PAULI: The bus was the quintessence 81 00:06:26,678 --> 00:06:30,474 of the segregation evil, the intimacy of the bus interior 82 00:06:30,557 --> 00:06:33,519 permitted the public humiliation of Black people 83 00:06:33,602 --> 00:06:35,562 to be carried out in the presence of 84 00:06:35,646 --> 00:06:38,857 the privileged white spectators who witnessed our shame 85 00:06:38,941 --> 00:06:41,735 in silence or indifference. 86 00:06:42,903 --> 00:06:44,822 McBEAN: When they got to Virginia, 87 00:06:44,905 --> 00:06:48,158 the Black people got up and moved to the back, 88 00:06:48,242 --> 00:06:50,160 and then more white people came on. 89 00:06:50,244 --> 00:06:52,996 ♪ ♪ 90 00:06:56,834 --> 00:06:58,418 PAULI: The bus driver insisted 91 00:06:58,502 --> 00:07:03,507 that we move, and the next seat had this broken seat, 92 00:07:03,590 --> 00:07:06,385 and we refused to sit on that. 93 00:07:07,386 --> 00:07:11,640 McBEAN: The bus driver said he wasn't gonna drive anymore 94 00:07:11,723 --> 00:07:13,642 until she moved back. 95 00:07:15,227 --> 00:07:18,981 PAULI: And the police came in and arrested us. 96 00:07:24,111 --> 00:07:28,782 Mac and I were hungry and cold but were afraid to go to sleep 97 00:07:28,866 --> 00:07:32,411 because the mattresses were alive with bedbugs. 98 00:07:32,494 --> 00:07:35,831 When I protested, the surly night jailor shouted, 99 00:07:35,914 --> 00:07:38,375 "If you don't shut up, I'll shut your ass in the dungeon. 100 00:07:38,458 --> 00:07:40,252 "Time them rats get through with you, 101 00:07:40,335 --> 00:07:43,213 you'll wish you'd kept your damn mouth shut." 102 00:07:43,297 --> 00:07:44,590 The reality set in. 103 00:07:44,673 --> 00:07:47,092 The reality set in, and, uh, 104 00:07:47,176 --> 00:07:49,303 I think it was very scary. 105 00:07:51,388 --> 00:07:52,723 BELL-SCOTT: Pauli reached out 106 00:07:52,806 --> 00:07:55,517 to the NAACP, hoping that 107 00:07:55,601 --> 00:07:59,188 they could get a ruling that declared, um, 108 00:07:59,271 --> 00:08:02,357 segregated seating unconstitutional. 109 00:08:02,441 --> 00:08:04,276 ♪ ♪ 110 00:08:13,994 --> 00:08:17,789 PAULI: Mac and I did a report, 111 00:08:17,873 --> 00:08:21,627 a summary, of the case, the facts. 112 00:08:22,669 --> 00:08:24,922 After we were released on bond, 113 00:08:25,005 --> 00:08:27,758 we were invited to meet with NAACP lawyers 114 00:08:27,841 --> 00:08:30,302 Thurgood Marshall, Judge William H. Hastie 115 00:08:30,385 --> 00:08:31,970 and Dr. Leon A. Ransom. 116 00:08:33,013 --> 00:08:34,431 It was my first exposure 117 00:08:34,514 --> 00:08:37,601 to a team of able civil rights lawyers in action, 118 00:08:37,684 --> 00:08:41,521 and I sat enthralled for several hours. 119 00:08:41,605 --> 00:08:43,899 What they were fighting for was the right of Black people 120 00:08:43,982 --> 00:08:47,277 to easily assimilate into the whole of American life. 121 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,324 But the judge knows that this is becoming a big deal, 122 00:08:52,407 --> 00:08:57,496 and so, ultimately, they get outmaneuvered. 123 00:08:57,579 --> 00:09:00,582 -(gallery chattering) -(gavel banging) 124 00:09:04,002 --> 00:09:08,257 The judge drops the segregation statute here that's at play 125 00:09:08,340 --> 00:09:11,260 and just says, "Y'all were disturbing the peace." 126 00:09:14,096 --> 00:09:18,350 So they are not able to reframe legal precedent. 127 00:09:19,518 --> 00:09:22,938 They serve a small sentence, uh, and they're let go. 128 00:09:26,358 --> 00:09:28,318 PAULI: At the time, I felt only 129 00:09:28,402 --> 00:09:31,029 the bitter disappointment of a personal defeat. 130 00:09:32,698 --> 00:09:34,449 But I began to sense 131 00:09:34,533 --> 00:09:37,286 that we were a small part of a teamwork effort 132 00:09:37,369 --> 00:09:39,621 which envisioned the ultimate overthrow 133 00:09:39,705 --> 00:09:41,790 of all segregation law. 134 00:09:43,375 --> 00:09:45,711 The thought was stupefying. 135 00:09:48,046 --> 00:09:50,048 (low conversations) 136 00:09:52,217 --> 00:09:53,427 COOPER: So, today, 137 00:09:53,510 --> 00:09:55,637 we have this really cool opportunity 138 00:09:55,721 --> 00:09:59,808 to learn about Dr. Anna Pauline Murray. 139 00:09:59,891 --> 00:10:02,227 Pauli Murray is just so spectacular that I literally 140 00:10:02,311 --> 00:10:05,230 cannot cover all her firsts and all her dopeness. 141 00:10:05,314 --> 00:10:09,318 Think about if you're a Black person in the 20th century 142 00:10:09,401 --> 00:10:11,403 and you're trying to make the argument 143 00:10:11,486 --> 00:10:13,905 that your humanity should be respected. 144 00:10:13,989 --> 00:10:16,783 And you live in a world where people already don't like you 145 00:10:16,867 --> 00:10:18,327 because you're Black. 146 00:10:19,953 --> 00:10:22,205 I want to give you a little sense of-of 147 00:10:22,289 --> 00:10:24,916 what informed Murray's life. 148 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,002 (recorder clicks) 149 00:10:29,254 --> 00:10:31,590 PAULI (over recorder): This is chapter one, 150 00:10:31,673 --> 00:10:33,633 page one... (clears throat) 151 00:10:33,717 --> 00:10:36,803 of an autobiography in manuscript. 152 00:10:38,013 --> 00:10:39,514 (typewriter keys clacking) 153 00:10:39,598 --> 00:10:43,310 In a study published in 1910, the year of my birth, 154 00:10:43,393 --> 00:10:45,729 Dr. Howard W. Odum, 155 00:10:45,812 --> 00:10:48,482 a sociologist then working at Columbia University, 156 00:10:48,565 --> 00:10:51,985 asserted that "the races have different abilities 157 00:10:52,069 --> 00:10:55,072 and potentialities." Close quote. 158 00:10:55,155 --> 00:10:59,076 And that those who wish to help the Negro should, quote, 159 00:10:59,159 --> 00:11:02,287 "not expect too much of him. 160 00:11:05,916 --> 00:11:08,251 "He has little conception of the meaning of virtue, 161 00:11:08,335 --> 00:11:12,089 "truth, honor, manhood, integrity. 162 00:11:13,131 --> 00:11:15,592 "The best education for the Negro child 163 00:11:15,675 --> 00:11:20,055 "would lead him toward the unquestioning acceptance 164 00:11:20,138 --> 00:11:22,682 "of the fact that he is a different race 165 00:11:22,766 --> 00:11:27,229 from the white, and properly so." Close quote. 166 00:11:28,772 --> 00:11:31,066 -(children shouting playfully) -I can remember this today, 167 00:11:31,149 --> 00:11:33,443 and I-I can see that old school building. 168 00:11:33,527 --> 00:11:36,905 It was a rickety old wooden building. 169 00:11:36,988 --> 00:11:39,991 No swings. 170 00:11:40,075 --> 00:11:42,786 You know, nothing to play with when you went out. 171 00:11:49,835 --> 00:11:52,921 And of course, the white kids' school... 172 00:11:53,004 --> 00:11:55,340 sitting in a lawn, 173 00:11:55,424 --> 00:11:57,592 surrounded by a fence, 174 00:11:57,676 --> 00:12:02,389 it was the contrast between the treatment we got 175 00:12:02,472 --> 00:12:05,642 and the treatment the white kids got. 176 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:09,396 And you sense those things. You feel them. 177 00:12:09,479 --> 00:12:11,481 (children chattering) 178 00:12:18,572 --> 00:12:21,950 I come from a very proud people. 179 00:12:22,033 --> 00:12:24,744 They were stubborn. They swam against the stream. 180 00:12:27,038 --> 00:12:28,957 This is the house. 181 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,043 This is Pauli Murray's homeplace. 182 00:12:32,127 --> 00:12:35,297 When she came to this house, she was three years old, 183 00:12:35,380 --> 00:12:39,259 and she came as a result of a tragedy. 184 00:12:40,302 --> 00:12:42,721 Her mother died of a cerebral hemorrhage, 185 00:12:42,804 --> 00:12:45,098 and eventually her father was committed 186 00:12:45,182 --> 00:12:47,809 to a mental hospital. 187 00:12:47,893 --> 00:12:49,603 Even though she was born in Baltimore, 188 00:12:49,686 --> 00:12:52,397 this was really her home. 189 00:12:52,481 --> 00:12:53,815 ♪ ♪ 190 00:12:53,899 --> 00:12:55,358 PAULI: When I came to Durham, 191 00:12:55,442 --> 00:12:58,528 the household included Aunt Pauline and Aunt Sallie 192 00:12:58,612 --> 00:13:01,698 and my Fitzgerald grandparents. 193 00:13:03,325 --> 00:13:05,660 ROSS: The Fitzgeralds are very well known in Durham 194 00:13:05,744 --> 00:13:09,039 and pretty prestigious with the Black community. 195 00:13:09,122 --> 00:13:14,169 The family going back was mixed with Cherokee, Irish, 196 00:13:14,252 --> 00:13:16,713 African American. 197 00:13:16,796 --> 00:13:18,965 It was a family where there were some members 198 00:13:19,049 --> 00:13:23,261 who looked so white that they passed, 199 00:13:23,345 --> 00:13:27,641 and Pauli was somewhere in between. 200 00:13:27,724 --> 00:13:30,519 There was prejudice based on complexion 201 00:13:30,602 --> 00:13:32,604 from the white community 202 00:13:32,687 --> 00:13:34,147 and from the Black community. 203 00:13:34,231 --> 00:13:37,359 And so they were an entity all to themselves. 204 00:13:38,401 --> 00:13:42,739 Pauli was the joy of the house. 205 00:13:42,822 --> 00:13:48,370 Aunt Pauline didn't have any children, so she doted on her. 206 00:13:50,455 --> 00:13:53,166 PAULI: Aunt Pauline taught in the local public schools, 207 00:13:53,250 --> 00:13:55,710 and when I was around four, 208 00:13:55,794 --> 00:13:59,506 she decided to bring me with her every day. 209 00:13:59,589 --> 00:14:01,800 I was permitted to sit with the older children 210 00:14:01,883 --> 00:14:04,344 and to look on while they recited. 211 00:14:04,427 --> 00:14:06,638 Toward the end of the school year, 212 00:14:06,721 --> 00:14:09,015 Aunt Pauline was surprised when she heard me say, 213 00:14:09,099 --> 00:14:11,226 "I can read, Aunt Pauline." 214 00:14:11,309 --> 00:14:14,271 I seized the book of the child next to me 215 00:14:14,354 --> 00:14:16,690 and began to read out loud. 216 00:14:16,773 --> 00:14:18,358 All the time I had been in her class, 217 00:14:18,441 --> 00:14:20,986 I was learning whatever she taught the others. 218 00:14:22,028 --> 00:14:25,490 From then on, the classroom was my second home. 219 00:14:26,533 --> 00:14:30,370 ROSS: She was allowed to ask anything she wanted to ask. 220 00:14:30,453 --> 00:14:32,539 She was allowed to have an opinion. 221 00:14:33,915 --> 00:14:36,793 But Pauli did not want to wear dresses... 222 00:14:38,044 --> 00:14:42,090 ...and Aunt Pauline used to make her go to church every Sunday, 223 00:14:42,173 --> 00:14:44,301 so they made a deal. 224 00:14:44,384 --> 00:14:47,762 She said, "You can wear pants all week long, 225 00:14:47,846 --> 00:14:50,432 "but when it comes time to go into church, 226 00:14:50,515 --> 00:14:53,643 you got to put on a dress." 227 00:14:59,274 --> 00:15:03,236 PAULI: I had a certain kind of protected life. 228 00:15:04,571 --> 00:15:08,116 The point at which life became... 229 00:15:08,199 --> 00:15:10,660 unbearable 230 00:15:10,744 --> 00:15:15,123 was in the contact with the white world. 231 00:15:15,206 --> 00:15:18,835 People addressing, uh, adult Negroes 232 00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:22,547 as auntie and uncle, boy. 233 00:15:26,718 --> 00:15:32,015 You get maybe 50, 60 people a year being lynched. 234 00:15:35,310 --> 00:15:36,978 I don't remember lynchings 235 00:15:37,062 --> 00:15:39,939 being prominently portrayed in the newspapers, 236 00:15:40,023 --> 00:15:43,234 but we would hear about them by word of mouth. 237 00:15:43,318 --> 00:15:45,862 (whispering): It was, "Somebody got lynched over in... 238 00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:48,239 in so-and-so county last night." 239 00:15:52,118 --> 00:15:54,162 The awareness of the Ku Klux Klan 240 00:15:54,245 --> 00:15:56,915 was always in the background. 241 00:16:02,837 --> 00:16:07,926 This awareness to a child of my generation, 242 00:16:08,009 --> 00:16:11,554 uh, grows with you just like... 243 00:16:14,015 --> 00:16:16,643 ...almost a part of your body and your being. 244 00:16:20,063 --> 00:16:22,065 ♪ ♪ 245 00:17:17,454 --> 00:17:19,247 MALE STUDENT: "We shall endure 246 00:17:19,330 --> 00:17:21,207 "To steal your senses 247 00:17:21,291 --> 00:17:22,667 "In that lonely twilight 248 00:17:22,751 --> 00:17:24,586 Of your winter's grief." 249 00:17:28,214 --> 00:17:32,469 What is Pauli's awareness of her place in history? 250 00:17:32,552 --> 00:17:35,180 Pauli's in this scope to sort of fix these issues 251 00:17:35,263 --> 00:17:38,057 that have been created from the institution of slavery. 252 00:17:38,141 --> 00:17:39,517 I just think that's so powerful. 253 00:17:39,601 --> 00:17:41,436 And Pauli's claiming that and being like, 254 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:43,897 "Well, this is my, like, space and this is my time 255 00:17:43,980 --> 00:17:45,523 to, like, do this work." 256 00:17:45,607 --> 00:17:46,816 So she takes up the typewriter 257 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:49,319 and writes to express herself fully. 258 00:17:49,402 --> 00:17:52,405 It's left there permanently so that maybe future generations 259 00:17:52,489 --> 00:17:55,074 like us can better understand it. 260 00:17:55,158 --> 00:17:58,745 Well, I suppose back of all writing 261 00:17:58,828 --> 00:18:01,039 is a desire to communicate. 262 00:18:01,122 --> 00:18:04,125 In other words, you want to share with other people 263 00:18:04,209 --> 00:18:06,836 some of the insights or some of your feelings 264 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,755 or some of your emotions. 265 00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:11,883 My story is much more difficult to write 266 00:18:11,966 --> 00:18:13,551 then writing about somebody else. 267 00:18:13,635 --> 00:18:15,720 -Mm-hmm. -Yeah. 268 00:18:18,097 --> 00:18:21,684 PAULI: Chapter six, manuscript page 120. 269 00:18:22,685 --> 00:18:24,103 After my school, 270 00:18:24,187 --> 00:18:27,857 I did not want to attend any more segregated schools. 271 00:18:27,941 --> 00:18:30,151 This I was determined not to do. 272 00:18:30,235 --> 00:18:32,904 So Aunt Pauline took me to New York. 273 00:18:32,987 --> 00:18:35,281 ♪ ♪ 274 00:18:38,493 --> 00:18:40,870 I was astounded by almost everything I saw: 275 00:18:40,954 --> 00:18:43,665 the skyscrapers, Coney Island, 276 00:18:43,748 --> 00:18:47,210 the Statue of Liberty, the Broadway Theater District. 277 00:18:47,293 --> 00:18:50,672 The Automat, where one could put nickels in a slot 278 00:18:50,755 --> 00:18:53,174 and get out dishes of hot food. 279 00:18:53,258 --> 00:18:54,926 Most of all, I was impressed 280 00:18:55,009 --> 00:18:57,303 because one could sit anywhere one wanted 281 00:18:57,387 --> 00:19:01,224 in the subway trains, buses and streetcars. 282 00:19:04,602 --> 00:19:07,772 At Hunter College, I was one of four Negroes 283 00:19:07,856 --> 00:19:10,400 in a group of 247 women. 284 00:19:10,483 --> 00:19:14,070 I took all of the courses that dealt with literature: 285 00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:16,698 creative writing, short stories. 286 00:19:16,781 --> 00:19:19,409 Now, remember, I'm a little Southern child 287 00:19:19,492 --> 00:19:24,205 with atrocious grammar and constantly feeling the gap 288 00:19:24,289 --> 00:19:27,083 between my educational level 289 00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:31,087 and that of these bright kids at Hunter College. 290 00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:34,799 And so, way back in the back of my mind was always, 291 00:19:34,883 --> 00:19:36,384 "Have I got it?" 292 00:19:37,886 --> 00:19:39,762 ♪ ♪ 293 00:19:39,846 --> 00:19:44,767 I graduated from Hunter College in the class of 1933. 294 00:19:45,810 --> 00:19:47,353 MAN: The Great Depression. 295 00:19:47,437 --> 00:19:49,564 Long lines of waiting men, 296 00:19:49,647 --> 00:19:52,275 waiting for a free bowl of soup, 297 00:19:52,358 --> 00:19:54,360 waiting for jobs. 298 00:19:55,904 --> 00:19:59,782 PAULI: It was the worst possible time to begin one's career. 299 00:20:04,954 --> 00:20:06,998 In the mornings, I went through the ritual 300 00:20:07,081 --> 00:20:10,251 of a futile search of help wanted ads. 301 00:20:10,335 --> 00:20:12,337 ♪ ♪ 302 00:20:31,481 --> 00:20:32,982 Despite those hardships, 303 00:20:33,066 --> 00:20:35,652 being without a job permitted a freedom of movement 304 00:20:35,735 --> 00:20:37,362 to travel about in ways 305 00:20:37,445 --> 00:20:40,657 that were not otherwise socially acceptable. 306 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:42,742 ♪ ♪ 307 00:20:48,456 --> 00:20:52,919 I was about to join an estimated 300,000 homeless, 308 00:20:53,002 --> 00:20:56,005 unwanted boys, and a scattering of girls, 309 00:20:56,089 --> 00:20:57,924 who rode freights or hitchhiked 310 00:20:58,007 --> 00:20:59,801 from town to town in search of work. 311 00:21:05,807 --> 00:21:07,392 I wore my hitchhiking garb-- 312 00:21:07,475 --> 00:21:09,727 scout pants and a leather jacket-- 313 00:21:09,811 --> 00:21:13,898 and carried a small knapsack with minimum camping equipment. 314 00:21:13,982 --> 00:21:17,819 I also had a boyish bob and had a slight figure, 315 00:21:17,902 --> 00:21:20,655 flat in the obvious places, which at first sight 316 00:21:20,738 --> 00:21:23,992 made me appear to be a small teenage boy. 317 00:21:24,075 --> 00:21:26,285 COOPER: Pauli revels in being masculine presenting. 318 00:21:26,369 --> 00:21:28,371 There are these great pictures of her 319 00:21:28,454 --> 00:21:31,791 in these different kind of very male-centered poses, 320 00:21:31,874 --> 00:21:33,584 and she gives herself different names. 321 00:21:33,668 --> 00:21:36,004 And so she calls herself Pete. 322 00:21:36,087 --> 00:21:38,965 She calls herself The Dude. 323 00:21:40,425 --> 00:21:41,718 Now, when she writes about this, 324 00:21:41,801 --> 00:21:43,386 she essentially says that she does it 325 00:21:43,469 --> 00:21:44,846 to protect herself, because she can't be 326 00:21:44,929 --> 00:21:49,183 a single Black woman riding the rails, uh, illegally 327 00:21:49,267 --> 00:21:52,687 without fear of being harassed or sexually assaulted. 328 00:21:54,272 --> 00:21:59,152 I pledge myself to a New Deal 329 00:21:59,235 --> 00:22:01,237 for the American people. 330 00:22:05,408 --> 00:22:07,410 (chattering) 331 00:22:07,493 --> 00:22:10,496 PAULI: I became one of the hundreds of jobless women 332 00:22:10,580 --> 00:22:12,957 who participate in Camp Tera, 333 00:22:13,041 --> 00:22:17,462 one of the 28 women's camps established by the New Deal. 334 00:22:18,755 --> 00:22:21,049 ♪ ♪ 335 00:22:21,132 --> 00:22:23,593 I immediately hit it off with Peg Holmes, 336 00:22:23,676 --> 00:22:25,303 who was a hiking counselor 337 00:22:25,386 --> 00:22:27,388 and had an intellectual curiosity 338 00:22:27,472 --> 00:22:29,932 which struck sparks from my own. 339 00:22:30,016 --> 00:22:32,310 ROSALIND ROSENBERG: Peggy Holmes was the daughter 340 00:22:32,393 --> 00:22:34,729 of a conservative banker, 341 00:22:34,812 --> 00:22:38,024 radicalized by the Great Depression. 342 00:22:39,567 --> 00:22:42,612 PAULI: Peg seemed utterly without racial prejudice. 343 00:22:42,695 --> 00:22:45,698 She read some of my poetry and then said to me, 344 00:22:45,782 --> 00:22:48,242 "How can you write with such compassion? 345 00:22:48,326 --> 00:22:51,537 I would be bitter if I were a Negro." 346 00:22:55,208 --> 00:22:58,836 That spring, Peg and I took a five weeks' hitchhiking trip 347 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,463 to Nebraska and back. 348 00:23:05,009 --> 00:23:07,386 A new person who thinks as you do 349 00:23:07,470 --> 00:23:10,681 and will lunch on an empty beach at dusk. 350 00:23:13,017 --> 00:23:16,896 These are the small, everyday joys of life. 351 00:23:21,526 --> 00:23:23,402 (low chattering) 352 00:23:27,115 --> 00:23:30,743 Peg and I became interested in industrial and labor problems, 353 00:23:30,827 --> 00:23:32,912 and I was introduced to my first picket line. 354 00:23:32,995 --> 00:23:35,206 CROWD: ♪ Solidarity forever ♪ 355 00:23:35,289 --> 00:23:38,709 ♪ Our union makes us strong. ♪ 356 00:23:43,005 --> 00:23:45,800 PAULI: One encountered in the labor movement 357 00:23:45,883 --> 00:23:47,426 an almost religious fervor. 358 00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:49,053 We threw ourselves into 359 00:23:49,137 --> 00:23:53,432 the Automobile Workers' general strike in early 1937. 360 00:23:55,434 --> 00:24:00,648 I was catapulted into a radical stance... 361 00:24:02,191 --> 00:24:05,570 ...and I am now beginning to relate this, 362 00:24:05,653 --> 00:24:10,491 this whole concept of freedom and dignity, 363 00:24:10,575 --> 00:24:13,619 to being a Negro in America. 364 00:24:18,791 --> 00:24:22,336 I don't think I'll try to record the next chapter 365 00:24:22,420 --> 00:24:24,213 until another sitting. 366 00:24:24,297 --> 00:24:28,885 You-you can imagine this is an emotional, uh, uh, drain. 367 00:24:28,968 --> 00:24:33,097 But in any event, I hope the reader is intrigued. 368 00:24:35,266 --> 00:24:36,893 ROSENBERG: Pauli Murray had a sense 369 00:24:36,976 --> 00:24:39,604 of being a historical figure. 370 00:24:39,687 --> 00:24:41,689 The Schlesinger Library 371 00:24:41,772 --> 00:24:47,195 has a 135 boxes of Pauli Murray's papers. 372 00:24:47,278 --> 00:24:48,779 Some of it had not been included 373 00:24:48,863 --> 00:24:50,615 in any of Murray's published work. 374 00:24:54,076 --> 00:24:58,414 I came across a folder that was marked "sexuality." 375 00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:01,000 ♪ ♪ 376 00:25:02,752 --> 00:25:05,796 Murray told doctors that she appeared to be a woman 377 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,632 but was really a man. 378 00:25:17,934 --> 00:25:21,520 Pauli hoped that a relationship with Peggy 379 00:25:21,604 --> 00:25:24,023 would be a normal relationship, 380 00:25:24,106 --> 00:25:27,401 by which Pauli meant that Pauli would be the man 381 00:25:27,485 --> 00:25:31,155 and Peggy would be the wife. 382 00:25:31,239 --> 00:25:34,659 And Peggy could not bring herself 383 00:25:34,742 --> 00:25:37,245 to see Pauli as a man. 384 00:25:39,288 --> 00:25:42,083 And eventually their relationship ended. 385 00:25:58,391 --> 00:26:03,229 The time that Peggy Holmes disappeared from Murray's life 386 00:26:03,312 --> 00:26:05,773 led to an emotional meltdown that ended 387 00:26:05,856 --> 00:26:08,651 with Pauli being hospitalized at Bellevue Hospital. 388 00:26:09,652 --> 00:26:12,989 Pauli's notes while, uh, under observation 389 00:26:13,072 --> 00:26:16,450 in psychiatric hospitals were very detailed. 390 00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:27,712 COOPER: Pauli is depressed, asking doctors, 391 00:26:27,795 --> 00:26:30,548 "Why am I dealing with these attractions?" 392 00:26:30,631 --> 00:26:32,633 ♪ ♪ 393 00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:55,948 RAQUEL WILLIS: These experiences have always existed. 394 00:26:56,949 --> 00:27:02,038 Pauli's historical records allow us to consider 395 00:27:02,121 --> 00:27:04,832 the humanity of someone who was Black 396 00:27:04,915 --> 00:27:08,627 and gender nonconforming in the time that Pauli was living. 397 00:27:08,711 --> 00:27:10,463 DOLORES CHANDLER: Sitting in front of Murray's 398 00:27:10,546 --> 00:27:12,965 medical records and notes, 399 00:27:13,049 --> 00:27:16,385 as a trans, gender nonconforming, queer person 400 00:27:16,469 --> 00:27:18,387 of mixed race myself, 401 00:27:18,471 --> 00:27:22,058 I thought, mm... 402 00:27:22,141 --> 00:27:24,435 "This is a feeling I know well." 403 00:27:24,518 --> 00:27:27,646 We've been taught to believe that people like us don't exist. 404 00:27:27,730 --> 00:27:31,776 So when I came to know and learn about Pauli Murray, 405 00:27:31,859 --> 00:27:33,527 I was so amazed and wanted to, like, 406 00:27:33,611 --> 00:27:36,530 hold it so tightly, and also I was angry. 407 00:27:36,614 --> 00:27:38,199 I was so angry 408 00:27:38,282 --> 00:27:39,700 that I felt, in some ways, 409 00:27:39,784 --> 00:27:43,287 that I had been robbed of a part of my history. 410 00:27:43,371 --> 00:27:46,290 I identify 411 00:27:46,374 --> 00:27:48,000 with the turmoil of someone 412 00:27:48,084 --> 00:27:51,420 who was trying to live life as a complete being 413 00:27:51,504 --> 00:27:54,673 with an integrated body, mind and spirit. 414 00:27:54,757 --> 00:27:57,593 If Pauli Murray were sitting here today 415 00:27:57,676 --> 00:28:00,429 and I said, "You know, Pauli, what... 416 00:28:00,513 --> 00:28:02,139 what pronouns do you use?" 417 00:28:02,223 --> 00:28:06,936 I don't know what Pauli Murray would... would say. 418 00:28:07,937 --> 00:28:10,940 WILLIS: Being Black and queer myself, 419 00:28:11,023 --> 00:28:14,860 I refer to Pauli as "they" or simply "Pauli" 420 00:28:14,944 --> 00:28:19,281 to acknowledge their expansive gender experience. 421 00:28:19,365 --> 00:28:22,368 CHANDLER: Scholars who have written about Pauli 422 00:28:22,451 --> 00:28:23,994 largely still use feminine pronouns, 423 00:28:24,078 --> 00:28:25,788 use she/her pronouns. 424 00:28:25,871 --> 00:28:29,792 Friends and family refer to Pauli with feminine pronouns, 425 00:28:29,875 --> 00:28:33,629 but I think that we likely will see more of people 426 00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:36,632 referring to Pauli Murray with gender-neutral pronouns 427 00:28:36,715 --> 00:28:38,634 as opposed to feminine pronouns. 428 00:28:41,679 --> 00:28:43,764 ♪ ♪ 429 00:28:45,933 --> 00:28:47,768 ROSENBERG: Murray never wrote about 430 00:28:47,852 --> 00:28:50,813 her gender struggles in her published work, 431 00:28:50,896 --> 00:28:54,567 and she rarely talked about it even with friends. 432 00:28:56,444 --> 00:28:59,321 She found herself in this place 433 00:28:59,405 --> 00:29:02,950 that was, uh, completely foreign to everyone she... 434 00:29:03,033 --> 00:29:05,369 she cared about, except Aunt Pauline. 435 00:29:08,372 --> 00:29:11,417 Aunt Pauline called Pauli my "boygirl" 436 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:14,336 and always was supportive of Pauli. 437 00:29:15,337 --> 00:29:18,048 Aunt Pauline allowed Aunt Pauli 438 00:29:18,132 --> 00:29:20,468 to be exactly who she needed to be. 439 00:29:23,929 --> 00:29:26,974 We don't often get that kind of unconditional love. 440 00:29:29,643 --> 00:29:34,899 But when she tried to find that in other places, 441 00:29:34,982 --> 00:29:37,067 it was really hard. 442 00:29:40,654 --> 00:29:43,199 She was always on overdrive. 443 00:29:44,825 --> 00:29:46,952 She would drink coffee all night long. 444 00:29:47,036 --> 00:29:49,038 (typewriter keys clacking) 445 00:29:50,289 --> 00:29:53,000 She could be impatient. 446 00:29:57,296 --> 00:30:00,925 Most of her life was, "You will see me. 447 00:30:01,008 --> 00:30:02,885 You will hear me." 448 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,602 ♪ ♪ 449 00:30:26,158 --> 00:30:30,079 PAULI: At that point, the University of North Carolina 450 00:30:30,162 --> 00:30:33,123 was developing courses in race relations. 451 00:30:35,918 --> 00:30:39,088 So I thought, well, maybe they are now ready 452 00:30:39,171 --> 00:30:41,882 to accept a Negro. 453 00:30:45,386 --> 00:30:48,305 They send me an application blank 454 00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:54,520 and they have written in "Race" and "Religion." 455 00:30:54,603 --> 00:30:57,398 I think I answered it but may have said, 456 00:30:57,481 --> 00:30:59,483 "But what difference does it make?" 457 00:30:59,567 --> 00:31:02,820 I got back a letter from the president 458 00:31:02,903 --> 00:31:05,614 of the University of North Carolina saying... 459 00:31:15,249 --> 00:31:17,251 ♪ ♪ 460 00:31:37,271 --> 00:31:38,981 MAN: The President of the United States, 461 00:31:39,064 --> 00:31:40,691 on his way home to the nation's capital, 462 00:31:40,774 --> 00:31:42,985 pauses at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill 463 00:31:43,068 --> 00:31:45,154 to receive the honorary degree of doctor of laws 464 00:31:45,237 --> 00:31:47,072 from the university. 465 00:31:47,156 --> 00:31:50,326 ROOSEVELT: I am happy and proud to become an alumnus 466 00:31:50,409 --> 00:31:52,870 of the University of North Carolina, 467 00:31:52,953 --> 00:31:58,083 typifying as it does American liberal thought 468 00:31:58,167 --> 00:32:01,837 through American action. 469 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,048 BELL-SCOTT: Pauli heard this speech on the radio 470 00:32:04,131 --> 00:32:08,218 and decided to write Franklin Roosevelt a letter. 471 00:32:08,302 --> 00:32:13,891 It was a typical hot protest letter from Pauli Murray. 472 00:32:13,974 --> 00:32:15,976 (typewriter keys clacking) 473 00:32:20,898 --> 00:32:23,901 COOPER: He had been praising UNC at the same time 474 00:32:23,984 --> 00:32:27,321 as they're not allowing Pauli to come to school there. 475 00:32:27,404 --> 00:32:30,074 And so you have a Black person writing brashly 476 00:32:30,157 --> 00:32:31,867 to the president in the 1930s, 477 00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:34,370 demanding that he not be a hypocrite. 478 00:32:34,453 --> 00:32:36,246 PAULI: I was increasingly dismayed 479 00:32:36,330 --> 00:32:38,540 over his silence on civil rights 480 00:32:38,624 --> 00:32:40,584 and his refusal even to speak out publicly 481 00:32:40,668 --> 00:32:43,170 for a federal anti-lynching bill. 482 00:32:43,253 --> 00:32:45,255 (typewriter keys clacking) 483 00:32:49,426 --> 00:32:53,347 BELL-SCOTT: Pauli decided to send a copy 484 00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:55,849 to Eleanor Roosevelt. 485 00:32:55,933 --> 00:32:58,727 Mrs. Roosevelt answers fairly quickly, 486 00:32:58,811 --> 00:33:02,731 and the letter comes with her personal signature. 487 00:33:02,815 --> 00:33:06,527 "I've read the copy of the letter you sent me, 488 00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:10,447 "and I understand perfectly, 489 00:33:10,531 --> 00:33:13,200 "but great changes come slowly. 490 00:33:13,283 --> 00:33:17,079 The South is changing, but don't push too fast." 491 00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:21,542 COOPER: This confrontational posture that Pauli had 492 00:33:21,625 --> 00:33:23,585 with UNC was indicative of this thing 493 00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:26,547 that she would come to call "confrontation by typewriter." 494 00:33:29,133 --> 00:33:31,093 Pauli wrote letters 495 00:33:31,176 --> 00:33:33,429 which were published, uh, in the Black press, 496 00:33:33,512 --> 00:33:35,597 so there was a lot of attention there. 497 00:33:35,681 --> 00:33:38,225 PAULI: And it suddenly burst out over the radio, 498 00:33:38,308 --> 00:33:40,894 "An unidentified Negress 499 00:33:40,978 --> 00:33:43,147 makes application to the University of North Carolina." 500 00:33:43,230 --> 00:33:45,899 It became sort of national news. 501 00:33:46,942 --> 00:33:49,653 This was met with consternation by my family, 502 00:33:49,737 --> 00:33:52,448 primarily because they were afraid they would be lynched. 503 00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:57,119 The University of North Carolina, 504 00:33:57,202 --> 00:33:59,371 that was one defeat. 505 00:33:59,455 --> 00:34:03,000 And the arrest on the bus, plus a whole lifetime 506 00:34:03,083 --> 00:34:06,336 of seeing the indignities handed out not only to me 507 00:34:06,420 --> 00:34:09,798 but to poor, rural Negroes-- 508 00:34:09,882 --> 00:34:13,427 all of this culminated in my recognition 509 00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:16,221 that if I were going to fight this battle of segregation, 510 00:34:16,305 --> 00:34:19,600 I needed a weapon, I needed a skill. 511 00:34:20,684 --> 00:34:23,687 And it was then I decided to go to law school. 512 00:34:46,627 --> 00:34:48,629 (chuckles) 513 00:34:50,422 --> 00:34:54,593 COOPER: Pauli arrives at Howard in the fall of 1941, 514 00:34:54,676 --> 00:34:57,638 and many of the civil rights cases of that day 515 00:34:57,721 --> 00:35:01,099 are being theorized in the halls of Howard. 516 00:35:01,183 --> 00:35:02,851 You know, Thurgood Marshall and, uh, 517 00:35:02,935 --> 00:35:04,937 you know, William Hastie and Leon Ransom, 518 00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:06,605 they're just rolling through the halls there. 519 00:35:06,688 --> 00:35:09,024 PAULI: For my first two years, 520 00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:11,610 I was the only woman in the law school. 521 00:35:13,529 --> 00:35:16,740 They didn't even let me talk in class. 522 00:35:19,076 --> 00:35:20,702 And I would raise my hand. 523 00:35:20,786 --> 00:35:23,038 Nobody would pay any attention to me. 524 00:35:25,582 --> 00:35:27,960 My professor said, 525 00:35:28,043 --> 00:35:30,921 now, he don't know why women come to law school, anyway. 526 00:35:32,798 --> 00:35:34,716 And I was so stunned. 527 00:35:35,843 --> 00:35:38,637 They're talking about what they're calling Jim Crow, 528 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:40,806 which we all know is a system of racial segregation, 529 00:35:40,889 --> 00:35:44,268 and she says, what I'm experiencing is Jane Crow. 530 00:35:44,351 --> 00:35:46,687 To be a Black woman is not just to have to deal 531 00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:48,814 with the question of racial segregation but also 532 00:35:48,897 --> 00:35:51,692 to have to deal with the question of sex discrimination. 533 00:35:51,775 --> 00:35:53,944 PAULI: I had not grown up in a family 534 00:35:54,027 --> 00:35:56,947 where limitations were placed upon women. 535 00:35:57,948 --> 00:36:00,325 And at the end of the year, 536 00:36:00,409 --> 00:36:03,954 they ranked the students and publicized their marks. 537 00:36:04,037 --> 00:36:08,250 Murray, Murray, Murray, Murray, Murray, top of the list. 538 00:36:09,251 --> 00:36:11,253 Second year, they let me talk. 539 00:36:13,213 --> 00:36:15,299 COOPER: Murray becomes the advisor 540 00:36:15,382 --> 00:36:17,759 to the student chapter of the NAACP. 541 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,762 ♪ ♪ 542 00:36:33,066 --> 00:36:37,154 INEZ SMITH REID: Any time you went to Downtown Washington, 543 00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:38,989 there were places that you could not go. 544 00:36:39,072 --> 00:36:41,033 I remember Garfinckel's Department Store, 545 00:36:41,116 --> 00:36:42,534 you couldn't go into. 546 00:36:42,618 --> 00:36:46,496 Um, restaurants downtown, you couldn't go into. 547 00:36:46,580 --> 00:36:50,042 The... The National Theatre, you couldn't go into. 548 00:36:52,628 --> 00:36:55,297 PAULI: I began to experiment more 549 00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:57,925 with nonviolent direct action. 550 00:36:58,926 --> 00:37:01,553 We started at Fourteenth and U, 551 00:37:01,637 --> 00:37:04,681 a restaurant called Little Palace Cafeteria. 552 00:37:05,682 --> 00:37:07,726 Now, this was right in the middle 553 00:37:07,809 --> 00:37:10,938 of the Negro neighborhood, but it served only white. 554 00:37:13,607 --> 00:37:16,610 And we walked in there one Saturday afternoon, 555 00:37:16,693 --> 00:37:18,320 they refused to serve us. 556 00:37:19,988 --> 00:37:22,115 We took our empty trays and sat at the tables, 557 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:24,368 opened our books and began our lesson. 558 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,415 We filled up that little place. 559 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,003 And it worked. 560 00:37:35,087 --> 00:37:38,131 COOPER: What's amazing is that they succeed. 561 00:37:42,594 --> 00:37:45,722 They actually succeed in desegregating U Street. 562 00:37:48,892 --> 00:37:52,020 PAULI: The time had come to make a frontal assault 563 00:37:52,104 --> 00:37:54,856 upon the constitutionality of segregation. 564 00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:56,733 (angry shouting) 565 00:37:56,817 --> 00:37:58,402 (gavel banging) 566 00:38:05,158 --> 00:38:08,245 I chose for my senior paper, 567 00:38:08,328 --> 00:38:11,790 "Should Plessy v. Ferguson Be Overruled?" 568 00:38:12,833 --> 00:38:18,505 Plessy v. Ferguson is a Supreme Court case in 1896 569 00:38:18,588 --> 00:38:22,384 that said that it was okay to separate Black people 570 00:38:22,467 --> 00:38:26,722 in public accommodations, like transportation or school, 571 00:38:26,805 --> 00:38:31,977 as long as the accommodations were separate but equal. 572 00:38:32,060 --> 00:38:34,479 Essentially Thurgood Marshall 573 00:38:34,563 --> 00:38:35,856 and the NAACP had said, 574 00:38:35,939 --> 00:38:38,108 "Okay, if Plessy says separate but equal, 575 00:38:38,191 --> 00:38:40,318 "our problem with the law is that Black institutions 576 00:38:40,402 --> 00:38:42,154 "aren't being treated equally, 577 00:38:42,237 --> 00:38:44,740 "they're not being given the same amount of money, 578 00:38:44,823 --> 00:38:48,994 and so we'll be separate, but we want equal resources." 579 00:38:49,077 --> 00:38:50,454 Pauli Murray says 580 00:38:50,537 --> 00:38:52,122 the whole logic of that is wrong. 581 00:38:52,205 --> 00:38:54,207 Discrimination is inherently immoral 582 00:38:54,291 --> 00:38:57,627 and what it does is it reduces Black people's sense 583 00:38:57,711 --> 00:39:00,422 of their own dignity and their own character. 584 00:39:00,505 --> 00:39:02,507 (Pauli reading): 585 00:39:15,645 --> 00:39:17,147 COOPER: The entire thing should be overturned. 586 00:39:17,230 --> 00:39:19,900 Y'all need a bigger, bolder, broader strategy. 587 00:39:19,983 --> 00:39:22,569 PAULI: My classmates laughed at me. 588 00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:27,157 Spottswood Robinson, the young faculty member 589 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:29,785 who inspired awe among students, 590 00:39:29,868 --> 00:39:32,079 not only pooh-poohed my idea 591 00:39:32,162 --> 00:39:35,749 but good-naturedly accepted my wager of ten dollars 592 00:39:35,832 --> 00:39:40,921 when I said, "Plessy would be overturned within 25 years." 593 00:39:41,004 --> 00:39:45,258 Exactly ten years later, in 1954, this is precisely 594 00:39:45,342 --> 00:39:48,178 the strategy that Marshall and his legal team pursue 595 00:39:48,261 --> 00:39:50,972 in the Brown v. Board of Education decision. 596 00:39:51,056 --> 00:39:54,267 MAN: The Supreme Court has rendered a momentous 597 00:39:54,351 --> 00:39:55,936 and historic decision. 598 00:39:56,019 --> 00:39:58,313 There shall be equality 599 00:39:58,396 --> 00:40:01,399 in educational facilities for all people. 600 00:40:03,610 --> 00:40:06,655 PAULI: I returned to Howard to visit, 601 00:40:06,738 --> 00:40:09,407 and Spotts Robinson said very casually, 602 00:40:09,491 --> 00:40:10,992 "You know, Pauli, 603 00:40:11,076 --> 00:40:14,329 you remember that civil rights paper you wrote?" 604 00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:15,914 I said, "Sure." 605 00:40:15,997 --> 00:40:18,542 And he said, "You know, in 1953, 606 00:40:18,625 --> 00:40:22,796 "I took out this paper, and it was very helpful to us 607 00:40:22,879 --> 00:40:24,840 in our preparation." 608 00:40:24,923 --> 00:40:28,093 He tells me that, in anonymous form, 609 00:40:28,176 --> 00:40:30,929 my little argument went to the Supreme Court. 610 00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:33,306 Look around the room. 611 00:40:33,390 --> 00:40:37,018 Turn your head and look around the room. 612 00:40:37,102 --> 00:40:40,772 Y'all see all of the different folks that are in this room? 613 00:40:40,856 --> 00:40:44,651 That is made possible by this decision. 614 00:40:45,694 --> 00:40:47,737 And yet, when we tell that story, 615 00:40:47,821 --> 00:40:50,282 with that iconic picture of Thurgood Marshall 616 00:40:50,365 --> 00:40:52,409 standing on the steps of the Supreme Court, 617 00:40:52,492 --> 00:40:56,246 Pauli is nowhere in view. 618 00:40:56,329 --> 00:40:58,290 ♪ ♪ 619 00:41:01,668 --> 00:41:05,130 It had been tradition that the top graduate 620 00:41:05,213 --> 00:41:08,216 in the Howard Law class would get an automatic opportunity 621 00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:11,469 to go to Harvard to do additional graduate work in law. 622 00:41:11,553 --> 00:41:15,432 Pauli Murray graduates at the top of the class. 623 00:41:16,433 --> 00:41:18,435 PAULI: The chairman of the graduate committee 624 00:41:18,518 --> 00:41:20,937 wrote back and said, "Dear Miss Murray, 625 00:41:21,021 --> 00:41:26,818 "The salutation on your transcript and your picture 626 00:41:26,902 --> 00:41:29,154 "indicate that you are not of the sex 627 00:41:29,237 --> 00:41:33,158 entitled to be admitted into Harvard." 628 00:41:37,537 --> 00:41:39,122 COOPER: Every part of her identity 629 00:41:39,206 --> 00:41:41,041 is keeping her out of the institutions 630 00:41:41,124 --> 00:41:43,877 that she wants to be a part of and, more to the point, 631 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,630 that she's earned the right to be a part of. 632 00:41:48,715 --> 00:41:52,802 Pauli goes on to Berkeley, gets a master of law, 633 00:41:52,886 --> 00:41:56,306 and that's essentially the beginning of her legal career. 634 00:41:59,476 --> 00:42:01,978 ♪ ♪ 635 00:42:03,104 --> 00:42:04,731 BELL-SCOTT: Despite being one of the most 636 00:42:04,814 --> 00:42:06,608 highly trained lawyers, 637 00:42:06,691 --> 00:42:11,655 Pauli can't get in the door in a New York law firm. 638 00:42:12,656 --> 00:42:14,866 Pauli was being discriminated against 639 00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:17,953 on the basis of both race and gender. 640 00:42:18,036 --> 00:42:20,413 She finally set up her own firm, 641 00:42:20,497 --> 00:42:23,750 and one of the most painful experiences 642 00:42:23,833 --> 00:42:26,962 was her going into court to represent a client 643 00:42:27,045 --> 00:42:31,883 and having a witness identify Pauli 644 00:42:31,967 --> 00:42:35,095 as the prostitute. 645 00:42:35,178 --> 00:42:37,931 Because of course she couldn't possibly be the lawyer. 646 00:42:38,014 --> 00:42:42,602 Pauli was barely making ends meet. 647 00:42:51,569 --> 00:42:54,197 COOPER: Pauli had also been in and out of the hospital, 648 00:42:54,281 --> 00:42:56,449 dealing with depression. 649 00:42:56,533 --> 00:42:59,077 ROSENBERG: Murray suffered emotional breakdowns 650 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,454 pretty much on a yearly basis. 651 00:43:02,497 --> 00:43:05,834 The turmoil and the-the suffering. 652 00:43:05,917 --> 00:43:07,836 This is a person who kind of just needed 653 00:43:07,919 --> 00:43:10,839 doctors to help in some capacity. 654 00:43:31,401 --> 00:43:33,862 ROSENBERG: Pauli went to doctor after doctor after doctor 655 00:43:33,945 --> 00:43:36,239 seeking testosterone. 656 00:43:37,907 --> 00:43:40,035 COOPER: Pauli is imploring doctors, 657 00:43:40,118 --> 00:43:42,662 "Do I have undescended testicles?" 658 00:43:46,666 --> 00:43:49,044 WILLIS: That would take an immense amount of bravery 659 00:43:49,127 --> 00:43:50,712 to speak on an experience 660 00:43:50,795 --> 00:43:53,590 that you can't even quite put in words. 661 00:44:06,061 --> 00:44:08,938 ROSENBERG: Doctors examined Pauli. 662 00:44:09,022 --> 00:44:10,899 They did X-rays. 663 00:44:10,982 --> 00:44:13,693 Once, Pauli was thrilled to, uh, 664 00:44:13,777 --> 00:44:16,363 be able to undergo exploratory surgery 665 00:44:16,446 --> 00:44:18,907 because Pauli was sure that the surgeon 666 00:44:18,990 --> 00:44:21,993 was going to be able to find undescended testis. 667 00:44:22,077 --> 00:44:25,455 And the surgeon found an inflamed appendix, 668 00:44:25,538 --> 00:44:26,456 which he removed, 669 00:44:26,539 --> 00:44:28,917 but nothing else out of the ordinary. 670 00:44:38,885 --> 00:44:44,516 "What does it mean to make a person's turmoil irrelevant? 671 00:44:46,267 --> 00:44:48,103 "What does it mean to claim 672 00:44:48,186 --> 00:44:51,314 "so many of a person's accomplishments 673 00:44:51,398 --> 00:44:54,609 "and to write books about so many aspects 674 00:44:54,692 --> 00:44:57,278 "of a person's existence in this world, 675 00:44:57,362 --> 00:45:00,949 "only omitting the one aspect that we don't understand 676 00:45:01,032 --> 00:45:03,451 or that makes us uncomfortable?" 677 00:45:06,162 --> 00:45:07,747 ROSENBERG: I hesitated 678 00:45:07,831 --> 00:45:10,708 about including Murray's gender struggles 679 00:45:10,792 --> 00:45:12,710 in my biography of her. 680 00:45:12,794 --> 00:45:14,754 Other scholars said, well, you know, 681 00:45:14,838 --> 00:45:16,881 that was her private life, 682 00:45:16,965 --> 00:45:20,218 but I came to, uh, believe 683 00:45:20,301 --> 00:45:22,387 that you couldn't really understand 684 00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:25,807 why Murray was so far ahead of her time 685 00:45:25,890 --> 00:45:30,854 without understanding that her sense of in-betweenness 686 00:45:30,937 --> 00:45:35,525 made her increasingly critical of boundaries. 687 00:45:36,526 --> 00:45:40,321 And that allowed her to make one of the most important ideas 688 00:45:40,405 --> 00:45:44,534 of the 20th century: that the categories of race 689 00:45:44,617 --> 00:45:47,662 and gender are essentially arbitrary 690 00:45:47,745 --> 00:45:52,750 and not a legal basis for discrimination. 691 00:45:52,834 --> 00:45:54,169 (typewriter keys clacking) 692 00:45:54,252 --> 00:45:56,254 ♪ ♪ 693 00:46:14,814 --> 00:46:18,735 BELL-SCOTT: When Pauli wrote these hot letters 694 00:46:18,818 --> 00:46:21,988 to the White House, Eleanor wanted to understand 695 00:46:22,071 --> 00:46:25,742 what was driving this young woman. 696 00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:30,246 PAULI: I had been corresponding with Mrs. Roosevelt, 697 00:46:30,330 --> 00:46:31,831 peppering her, 698 00:46:31,915 --> 00:46:34,584 since the University of North Carolina incident. 699 00:46:37,003 --> 00:46:38,546 (crowd cheering) 700 00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:41,049 The fact that she was the First Lady of the land 701 00:46:41,132 --> 00:46:45,970 did not awe me to the extent that I pulled my punches. 702 00:46:46,930 --> 00:46:50,391 This is what made our friendship such a great one. 703 00:46:50,475 --> 00:46:54,562 Pauli takes her friends and relatives to lunch 704 00:46:54,646 --> 00:46:57,190 at Eleanor's New York apartment. 705 00:46:57,273 --> 00:46:59,317 Eleanor becomes a mother surrogate. 706 00:47:05,406 --> 00:47:08,660 Pauli and Eleanor had this tremendous difference 707 00:47:08,743 --> 00:47:13,331 in social background, in status, 708 00:47:13,414 --> 00:47:15,708 but they have a lot in common. 709 00:47:15,792 --> 00:47:18,962 They were orphaned as children, 710 00:47:19,045 --> 00:47:22,382 reared by elderly kin. 711 00:47:23,633 --> 00:47:26,010 They were both veracious readers. 712 00:47:26,094 --> 00:47:27,720 They loved to write. 713 00:47:28,763 --> 00:47:32,809 Dogs gave them tremendous joy. 714 00:47:33,851 --> 00:47:36,396 This is not a romantic relationship. 715 00:47:36,479 --> 00:47:39,107 It becomes truly a friendship 716 00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:42,569 with discussions about, um, 717 00:47:42,652 --> 00:47:44,904 things beyond just politics. 718 00:47:46,447 --> 00:47:49,993 PAULI: I think we were kind of kindred souls, 719 00:47:50,076 --> 00:47:52,620 if I dare say this now. 720 00:47:52,704 --> 00:47:55,373 But I had no difficulty relating to her. 721 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,513 She could be deeply compassionate... 722 00:48:12,223 --> 00:48:14,100 ...but she couldn't possibly feel 723 00:48:14,183 --> 00:48:19,522 the intolerable burden of racism that would make us scream. 724 00:48:23,651 --> 00:48:25,486 (crowd shouting) 725 00:48:32,619 --> 00:48:34,412 PAULI: Few Negroes were surprised 726 00:48:34,495 --> 00:48:36,623 when the Detroit riot broke out, 727 00:48:36,706 --> 00:48:38,541 since the racial tensions which produced it 728 00:48:38,625 --> 00:48:42,170 had been building steadily throughout the war. 729 00:48:44,297 --> 00:48:46,299 ♪ ♪ 730 00:48:54,474 --> 00:48:58,227 President Roosevelt was strangely silent. 731 00:48:58,311 --> 00:49:01,022 His comment came more than a month later. 732 00:49:01,105 --> 00:49:03,107 (Pauli reading): 733 00:49:10,990 --> 00:49:12,492 PAULI: Close quote. 734 00:49:13,534 --> 00:49:15,620 It seemed so mealymouthed 735 00:49:15,703 --> 00:49:18,539 that I sat down immediately and wrote an angry poem. 736 00:49:20,667 --> 00:49:22,502 What'd you get, black boy 737 00:49:22,585 --> 00:49:24,128 When they knocked you down in the gutter 738 00:49:24,212 --> 00:49:25,546 And they kicked your teeth out 739 00:49:25,630 --> 00:49:28,132 And they broke your skull with clubs 740 00:49:28,216 --> 00:49:30,134 And they bashed your stomach in? 741 00:49:31,636 --> 00:49:34,764 What'd you get when you cried out to the Top Man? 742 00:49:36,140 --> 00:49:38,893 What'd the Top Man say, black boy? 743 00:49:41,062 --> 00:49:43,189 "Mr. Roosevelt regrets..." 744 00:49:56,077 --> 00:49:59,080 -(distant siren wailing) -(horns honking) 745 00:50:00,915 --> 00:50:04,210 After years of scrabbling to earn a living, 746 00:50:04,293 --> 00:50:07,505 Lloyd K. Garrison, who I met at Howard, 747 00:50:07,588 --> 00:50:09,549 called with the startling news 748 00:50:09,632 --> 00:50:12,427 that his firm, Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison, 749 00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:15,138 needed extra help in their litigation department. 750 00:50:15,221 --> 00:50:18,182 This was a-a job that provided Murray 751 00:50:18,266 --> 00:50:21,811 with more income than she'd ever earned in her life. 752 00:50:25,106 --> 00:50:28,943 PAULI: This amazing good fortune filled me with anxiety. 753 00:50:29,026 --> 00:50:31,237 I was now a middle-aged woman 754 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,365 reentering a highly competitive profession, 755 00:50:34,449 --> 00:50:37,160 one of three women at the firm 756 00:50:37,243 --> 00:50:40,121 and the only Negro among the 65 attorneys. 757 00:50:42,373 --> 00:50:45,293 My most persistent problem during those years 758 00:50:45,376 --> 00:50:48,838 was handling the loneliness of the woman professional. 759 00:50:54,552 --> 00:50:56,763 Fortunately, Irene Barlow, 760 00:50:56,846 --> 00:50:59,348 the office manager-personnel director, 761 00:50:59,432 --> 00:51:03,186 shared my token status in a male domain. 762 00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:10,151 Renee carried herself with an air of quite self-assurance. 763 00:51:11,319 --> 00:51:13,946 Her strong, attractive face and blue-green eyes 764 00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:16,699 radiated generosity and kindness. 765 00:51:18,493 --> 00:51:20,203 (indistinct chattering) 766 00:51:20,286 --> 00:51:21,871 Renee invited me to lunch 767 00:51:21,954 --> 00:51:24,999 as a courteous gesture to a new employee. 768 00:51:25,082 --> 00:51:28,044 Our conversation was tentative and formal. 769 00:51:31,339 --> 00:51:35,343 But our discovery that we were both worshiping Episcopalians 770 00:51:35,426 --> 00:51:37,220 was the beginning of a spiritual bond, 771 00:51:37,303 --> 00:51:40,681 using lunch hours to attend the Wednesday services 772 00:51:40,765 --> 00:51:44,101 at Saint Bartholomew's Church on Park Avenue. 773 00:51:44,185 --> 00:51:47,230 Renee just took Pauli under her wing 774 00:51:47,313 --> 00:51:50,066 to help her to say, now, don't wear that 775 00:51:50,149 --> 00:51:51,400 and do do this, 776 00:51:51,484 --> 00:51:53,820 and they became the closest of friends. 777 00:51:54,862 --> 00:51:56,322 PAULI: Although Renee and I 778 00:51:56,405 --> 00:51:58,574 were very different in our personalities, 779 00:51:58,658 --> 00:52:02,286 the chemistry of our friendship produced sparks of sheer joy, 780 00:52:02,370 --> 00:52:05,998 and we gravitated toward one another for mutual support. 781 00:52:10,753 --> 00:52:12,505 MAN: On the afternoon of May 4th, 782 00:52:12,588 --> 00:52:15,967 Mack Charles Parker's body was found floating 783 00:52:16,050 --> 00:52:18,261 in the Pearl River near Poplarville. 784 00:52:18,344 --> 00:52:20,680 Parker had been dragged from his jail cell 785 00:52:20,763 --> 00:52:22,974 by a band of masked men. 786 00:52:23,057 --> 00:52:27,144 He had been awaiting trial on charges of raping a white woman. 787 00:52:27,228 --> 00:52:29,146 ♪ ♪ 788 00:52:33,526 --> 00:52:39,448 PAULI: For a man to be lynched as late as 1959 789 00:52:39,532 --> 00:52:42,034 seemed to symbolize 790 00:52:42,118 --> 00:52:45,746 the barbarity of the American system. 791 00:52:46,747 --> 00:52:51,586 This was following all of the violence of Little Rock, 792 00:52:51,669 --> 00:52:54,171 the integration of Central High School. 793 00:52:54,255 --> 00:52:56,757 There had just been nothing but violence 794 00:52:56,841 --> 00:52:58,843 and violence and violence in the South, 795 00:52:58,926 --> 00:53:01,262 and then Mack Parker just seemed to... 796 00:53:01,345 --> 00:53:03,264 just to cap the climax. 797 00:53:07,602 --> 00:53:09,520 PAULI: This was written on the occasion 798 00:53:09,604 --> 00:53:12,857 of the lynching of Mack C. Parker. 799 00:53:12,940 --> 00:53:17,528 I am an Episcopalian, and I use this prayer deliberately. 800 00:53:18,529 --> 00:53:20,531 ♪ ♪ 801 00:53:28,164 --> 00:53:32,793 ♪ Just another day... ♪ 802 00:53:32,877 --> 00:53:37,214 PAULI: Lighten our darkness, we beseech thee, O Lord; 803 00:53:37,298 --> 00:53:40,301 ♪ That the Lord ♪ 804 00:53:40,384 --> 00:53:44,972 Teach us no longer to dread hounds yelping in the distance, 805 00:53:45,056 --> 00:53:47,516 the footfall at the door, 806 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,977 the rifle butt on the window pane. 807 00:53:50,061 --> 00:53:52,563 ♪ Just another day... ♪ 808 00:53:52,647 --> 00:53:56,901 Defend us from all perils and dangers of this night. 809 00:53:56,984 --> 00:53:58,986 ♪ ♪ 810 00:54:01,072 --> 00:54:04,367 PAULI: Everybody has his breaking point. 811 00:54:05,534 --> 00:54:08,621 My breaking point came with Mack Parker. 812 00:54:10,831 --> 00:54:12,833 I had had it, 813 00:54:12,917 --> 00:54:16,796 and I felt I needed to get away from the United States. 814 00:54:19,256 --> 00:54:23,094 ROSENBERG: Pauli gave up this very prestigious position 815 00:54:23,177 --> 00:54:24,512 at Paul, Weiss 816 00:54:24,595 --> 00:54:29,016 and applied for, and was accepted, to be a law professor 817 00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:33,104 at the newly created law school in Ghana in Africa. 818 00:54:33,187 --> 00:54:35,189 ♪ ♪ 819 00:54:36,607 --> 00:54:38,609 (ship's whistle blares) 820 00:54:46,659 --> 00:54:48,035 ♪ ♪ 821 00:55:07,722 --> 00:55:10,224 PAULI: I stayed in Africa 18 months, 822 00:55:10,307 --> 00:55:14,061 studied it just the way I studied law in my graduate work. 823 00:55:15,813 --> 00:55:17,189 (cheering) 824 00:55:17,273 --> 00:55:19,275 BELL-SCOTT: Pauli's there 825 00:55:19,358 --> 00:55:23,195 in the midst of these independence movements, 826 00:55:23,279 --> 00:55:27,366 and this is exciting but also problematic. 827 00:55:27,450 --> 00:55:29,744 PAULI: It soon became clear to me 828 00:55:29,827 --> 00:55:35,207 that the president of Ghana had dictatorial instincts. 829 00:55:36,751 --> 00:55:39,170 Suppressing freedom of speech. 830 00:55:39,253 --> 00:55:42,048 I was a person committed to human rights 831 00:55:42,131 --> 00:55:44,633 whether I was in North Carolina 832 00:55:44,717 --> 00:55:47,970 or whether I was in Accra, Ghana. 833 00:55:48,054 --> 00:55:50,264 BELL-SCOTT: The government is concerned 834 00:55:50,347 --> 00:55:52,516 about what Pauli is teaching the students 835 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,644 about the American Constitution. 836 00:55:55,728 --> 00:55:59,190 Independence, democracy. 837 00:56:14,288 --> 00:56:16,832 PAULI: My time in Africa 838 00:56:16,916 --> 00:56:19,210 only confirmed in me 839 00:56:19,293 --> 00:56:22,630 that I was a product of the New World. 840 00:56:22,713 --> 00:56:27,134 I feel as fully an American as anyone else. 841 00:56:28,135 --> 00:56:30,137 ♪ ♪ 842 00:56:35,434 --> 00:56:40,064 Black Americans go back to the very beginnings. 843 00:56:41,065 --> 00:56:44,735 Our blood and our sweat and our tears and our memories 844 00:56:44,819 --> 00:56:46,987 are built into the country. 845 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,307 We were very intrigued by Pauli Murray. 846 00:57:15,391 --> 00:57:16,809 Here was this older woman. 847 00:57:16,892 --> 00:57:19,395 I think she probably could have been our mother. 848 00:57:21,814 --> 00:57:24,942 (crowd singing) 849 00:57:25,025 --> 00:57:27,403 Most of the Black students were involved 850 00:57:27,486 --> 00:57:29,405 with the civil rights movement. 851 00:57:31,198 --> 00:57:34,368 I don't think I knew at the time she came to Yale Law School 852 00:57:34,451 --> 00:57:37,580 that Pauli had been involved in protests 853 00:57:37,663 --> 00:57:40,124 and-and sit-ins in D.C. 854 00:57:40,207 --> 00:57:44,170 As far as we were concerned, we began the protests 855 00:57:44,253 --> 00:57:46,755 with the sit-in movement in the 1960s. 856 00:57:46,839 --> 00:57:51,594 We didn't know anything about the very brave African Americans 857 00:57:51,677 --> 00:57:55,556 whose work is lost often with history. 858 00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:58,976 Pauli Murray was so ahead of her time 859 00:57:59,059 --> 00:58:02,813 that she was about the daily work of uncovering new issues. 860 00:58:02,897 --> 00:58:04,648 This is a matter of great national concern. 861 00:58:04,732 --> 00:58:07,067 BELL-SCOTT: When Murray was at Yale, 862 00:58:07,151 --> 00:58:09,195 John F. Kennedy established 863 00:58:09,278 --> 00:58:11,322 the Commission on the Status of Women. 864 00:58:11,405 --> 00:58:13,365 The head of the overall commission 865 00:58:13,449 --> 00:58:14,658 was Eleanor Roosevelt. 866 00:58:14,742 --> 00:58:16,202 I want to see women used 867 00:58:16,285 --> 00:58:18,746 to the very best, uh, of their ability. 868 00:58:18,829 --> 00:58:21,665 BELL-SCOTT: Eleanor made sure that Pauli 869 00:58:21,749 --> 00:58:24,126 was appointed to the study group 870 00:58:24,210 --> 00:58:27,504 that looked at women's civil and political rights. 871 00:58:27,588 --> 00:58:29,590 ♪ ♪ 872 00:58:38,057 --> 00:58:40,768 PAULI: If you rip away everything, 873 00:58:40,851 --> 00:58:42,853 the business of oppression 874 00:58:42,937 --> 00:58:45,981 is the business of not respecting one's personhood. 875 00:58:48,901 --> 00:58:54,281 All women understand what it means 876 00:58:54,365 --> 00:58:59,620 to have a diminished sense of personal dignity and worth 877 00:58:59,703 --> 00:59:02,373 because of one's sex. 878 00:59:05,251 --> 00:59:08,045 MAN: What exactly was your part in the origin 879 00:59:08,128 --> 00:59:10,381 of, uh, the National Organization for Women? 880 00:59:10,464 --> 00:59:12,675 PAULI: I was one of the founders. 881 00:59:12,758 --> 00:59:15,302 REID: Pauli met with Betty Friedan. 882 00:59:15,386 --> 00:59:16,887 Betty and Pauli 883 00:59:16,971 --> 00:59:19,056 and about 30 or so other women 884 00:59:19,139 --> 00:59:22,101 determined that it was important to have a new organization. 885 00:59:23,352 --> 00:59:24,937 SONIA PRESSMAN FUENTES: At a luncheon, 886 00:59:25,020 --> 00:59:27,773 Betty took out a paper napkin 887 00:59:27,856 --> 00:59:31,777 and began to write that we are forming NOW 888 00:59:31,860 --> 00:59:33,904 to bring women into the mainstream 889 00:59:33,988 --> 00:59:36,573 of American life now. 890 00:59:38,409 --> 00:59:41,453 28 women signed. 891 00:59:42,454 --> 00:59:45,249 REID: And that's how the National Organization for Women, 892 00:59:45,332 --> 00:59:48,127 or NOW, was born. 893 00:59:48,210 --> 00:59:50,337 BELL-SCOTT: Pauli was trying to come up with 894 00:59:50,421 --> 00:59:52,214 a new strategy that would move 895 00:59:52,298 --> 00:59:54,550 the efforts for women's rights forward. 896 00:59:54,633 --> 00:59:55,884 And she did. 897 00:59:55,968 --> 00:59:57,970 ♪ ♪ 898 01:00:15,529 --> 01:00:17,865 REID: The 14th Amendment had led the way 899 01:00:17,948 --> 01:00:22,244 for fighting discrimination on the basis of race. 900 01:00:27,082 --> 01:00:29,084 COOPER: And so Pauli Murray's making an argument 901 01:00:29,168 --> 01:00:32,212 that the 14th Amendment could actually be used 902 01:00:32,296 --> 01:00:35,549 to defend women's rights as well. 903 01:00:35,632 --> 01:00:37,634 ROSENBERG: That was a radical idea. 904 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,848 For those of us who were from the era 905 01:00:42,931 --> 01:00:45,559 of the civil rights movement, that seemed a bit curious, 906 01:00:45,642 --> 01:00:48,145 and please understand the background. 907 01:00:48,228 --> 01:00:52,983 First and foremost on the minds of African Americans 908 01:00:53,067 --> 01:00:55,736 was discrimination against people of color. 909 01:00:57,321 --> 01:00:58,739 I have to ask myself, 910 01:00:58,822 --> 01:01:01,450 "Eleanor, why weren't you a feminist then?" 911 01:01:02,493 --> 01:01:05,037 But nobody was a feminist then except Pauli Murray. (chuckles) 912 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,122 ♪ ♪ 913 01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,613 BELL-SCOTT: In the mid-1960s, 914 01:01:39,696 --> 01:01:43,283 Pauli was on the board of the ACLU. 915 01:01:43,367 --> 01:01:46,453 The American Civil Liberties Union brought suit today 916 01:01:46,537 --> 01:01:48,664 to force a Saint Louis suburb to accept 917 01:01:48,747 --> 01:01:52,126 an integrated, low-income apartment housing project. 918 01:01:53,335 --> 01:01:55,254 BELL-SCOTT: The ACLU was already doing 919 01:01:55,337 --> 01:01:58,132 quite a bit of work around civil rights cases, 920 01:01:58,215 --> 01:02:02,719 but on women, they were like any other institution 921 01:02:02,803 --> 01:02:05,722 in our society at the time. 922 01:02:05,806 --> 01:02:08,350 Women were not well represented on the board. 923 01:02:10,477 --> 01:02:14,231 Pauli was pushing, pushing them to move. 924 01:02:15,816 --> 01:02:19,695 She wrote a letter arguing that Ruth Bader Ginsburg 925 01:02:19,778 --> 01:02:21,822 should be a member of the board. 926 01:02:22,865 --> 01:02:26,326 Pauli was a feisty woman. 927 01:02:26,410 --> 01:02:29,329 Pauli had definite ideas, sometimes... 928 01:02:29,413 --> 01:02:32,666 ideas other people disagreed with. 929 01:02:34,001 --> 01:02:38,464 Pauli prodded the ACLU into taking on differentials 930 01:02:38,547 --> 01:02:41,175 based on gender. 931 01:02:42,968 --> 01:02:46,805 STRANGIO: It's always the people who are experiencing 932 01:02:46,889 --> 01:02:49,224 the most forms of discrimination 933 01:02:49,308 --> 01:02:52,186 who have the most insight into how to build the solutions, 934 01:02:52,269 --> 01:02:53,812 and Pauli was that person. 935 01:02:59,067 --> 01:03:02,154 BELL-SCOTT: In one of the ACLU cases in the South, 936 01:03:02,237 --> 01:03:04,907 Blacks were being excluded from the jury. 937 01:03:04,990 --> 01:03:08,702 Murray's argument was, well, 938 01:03:08,785 --> 01:03:10,787 at the same time we're arguing 939 01:03:10,871 --> 01:03:12,414 Black men should not be excluded, 940 01:03:12,498 --> 01:03:14,917 women should not be excluded. 941 01:03:16,251 --> 01:03:18,712 PAULI: This is a violation of their rights 942 01:03:18,795 --> 01:03:20,297 under the equal protection, 943 01:03:20,380 --> 01:03:23,258 a violation of the 14th Amendment. 944 01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:44,196 The court came right down the line 945 01:03:44,279 --> 01:03:46,823 actually using our language. 946 01:03:46,907 --> 01:03:51,578 After so many losses and so many failures in a lifetime, 947 01:03:51,662 --> 01:03:54,581 this was my sweetest victory. 948 01:03:55,624 --> 01:03:58,293 REID: What she did became very important. 949 01:03:58,377 --> 01:04:02,506 So important that when, uh, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, um, 950 01:04:02,589 --> 01:04:05,968 was called on to work on a later Supreme Court case, 951 01:04:06,051 --> 01:04:07,928 Reed v. Reed, 952 01:04:08,011 --> 01:04:11,974 she used Pauli's work and then credited her. 953 01:04:13,267 --> 01:04:16,311 Justice Ginsburg relied on the analysis 954 01:04:16,395 --> 01:04:17,729 that Pauli had developed. 955 01:04:18,814 --> 01:04:21,817 GINSBURG: We were not inventing something new. 956 01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:25,612 We were saying the same things that Pauli had said 957 01:04:25,696 --> 01:04:27,864 years earlier at a time 958 01:04:27,948 --> 01:04:30,742 when society was not prepared to listen. 959 01:04:30,826 --> 01:04:32,536 PAULI: What I say very often is 960 01:04:32,619 --> 01:04:35,205 that I've lived to see my lost causes found. 961 01:04:36,748 --> 01:04:38,667 CROWD (chanting): Pro-life, that's a lie. 962 01:04:38,750 --> 01:04:40,961 They don't care if women die. 963 01:04:41,044 --> 01:04:43,005 -♪ ♪ -(crowd chanting) 964 01:04:44,631 --> 01:04:46,633 (typewriter keys clacking) 965 01:04:57,477 --> 01:04:59,980 (crowd chanting) 966 01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:17,706 I think we're in a time of very... radical change. 967 01:05:17,789 --> 01:05:21,293 I have not had the additional responsibilities 968 01:05:21,376 --> 01:05:25,631 of husband, household, children. 969 01:05:25,714 --> 01:05:29,676 Uh, for me, it has been very important to have privacy. 970 01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,512 You have to understand that Pauli was kind of 971 01:05:32,596 --> 01:05:35,849 a circumspect person, kind of a private person. 972 01:05:35,932 --> 01:05:37,309 INTERVIEWER: Did you know anything about 973 01:05:37,392 --> 01:05:39,853 Pauli's personal life at that time? 974 01:05:39,936 --> 01:05:41,438 I had absolutely no clue. 975 01:05:43,857 --> 01:05:46,443 ROSENBERG: Pauli and Renee were very close. 976 01:05:46,526 --> 01:05:48,445 They never lived together, 977 01:05:48,528 --> 01:05:52,908 but Renee Barlow was the love of Pauli Murray's life. 978 01:05:52,991 --> 01:05:55,994 ("Symphony No. 4 in E Minor" by Johannes Brahms plays) 979 01:06:14,596 --> 01:06:16,598 ♪ ♪ 980 01:06:47,754 --> 01:06:52,426 ROSENBERG: They would meet each other in hotels 981 01:06:52,509 --> 01:06:55,429 and then worry about the money that they had wasted. 982 01:06:56,430 --> 01:06:59,433 But they were as close as a married couple 983 01:06:59,516 --> 01:07:01,768 in the way that they supported each other. 984 01:07:16,783 --> 01:07:18,910 ♪ ♪ 985 01:07:26,126 --> 01:07:29,296 Renee, for years, was Murray's rock, 986 01:07:29,379 --> 01:07:33,550 and allowed her to accomplish 987 01:07:33,633 --> 01:07:36,470 more than she'd ever been able to accomplish before. 988 01:07:37,471 --> 01:07:41,767 ANNOUNCER: This is WGBH-FM public radio in Boston. 989 01:07:41,850 --> 01:07:45,562 HOST: Our guest tonight is Dr. Pauli Murray, 990 01:07:45,645 --> 01:07:49,024 a lawyer, a leader in civil rights movement, 991 01:07:49,107 --> 01:07:51,860 and now she has turned poet. 992 01:07:51,943 --> 01:07:54,446 PAULI: Well, I want to reverse what you said. 993 01:07:54,529 --> 01:07:58,825 I'm a poet turned lawyer rather than lawyer turned poet. 994 01:07:58,909 --> 01:08:02,078 HOST: Now, I think this would be a good time for you to read 995 01:08:02,162 --> 01:08:04,080 "Dark Testament." 996 01:08:04,164 --> 01:08:08,502 PAULI: I was a Negro slave following the North Star, 997 01:08:08,585 --> 01:08:12,214 I was an immigrant huddled in ship's belly, 998 01:08:12,297 --> 01:08:15,175 Always the dream was the same-- 999 01:08:15,258 --> 01:08:17,803 Always the dream was freedom. 1000 01:08:17,886 --> 01:08:19,888 ♪ ♪ 1001 01:08:35,654 --> 01:08:38,573 PAULI: Martin Luther King stood for the possibility 1002 01:08:38,657 --> 01:08:40,742 of reconciliation between people. 1003 01:08:44,454 --> 01:08:45,872 JESSE JACKSON: Dr. King has been a buffer 1004 01:08:45,956 --> 01:08:48,250 the last few years between the Black community 1005 01:08:48,333 --> 01:08:50,001 and the white community. 1006 01:08:52,671 --> 01:08:54,840 (angry shouting) 1007 01:08:54,923 --> 01:08:58,176 PAULI: My feeling is that if this country is to survive... 1008 01:08:58,260 --> 01:08:59,886 MAN: We want Black Power! 1009 01:08:59,970 --> 01:09:02,514 -We want Black Power! -(crowd chanting) 1010 01:09:02,597 --> 01:09:05,308 PAULI: ...we must live together in harmony. 1011 01:09:06,393 --> 01:09:08,687 (crowd chanting) 1012 01:09:10,647 --> 01:09:15,193 We must continue to push for all of our demands. 1013 01:09:15,277 --> 01:09:17,696 COOPER: Black students had started 1014 01:09:17,779 --> 01:09:19,698 to take over campuses around the country, 1015 01:09:19,781 --> 01:09:21,449 demanding Black studies programs. 1016 01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:26,454 So Brandeis invites Pauli Murray to become a professor 1017 01:09:26,538 --> 01:09:29,416 as a symbolic act to say, "See, we're being inclusive." 1018 01:09:31,042 --> 01:09:34,337 ERNEST R. MYERS: I was walking around campus... 1019 01:09:35,714 --> 01:09:40,135 ...and I saw this little brown woman, 1020 01:09:40,218 --> 01:09:43,346 and I asked somebody who she was. 1021 01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:46,224 They said, "Oh, that's Professor Murray," 1022 01:09:46,308 --> 01:09:51,479 and I knew I wanted to be in this woman's class. 1023 01:09:51,563 --> 01:09:53,273 REGGIE SAPP: We came to Brandeis 1024 01:09:53,356 --> 01:09:55,859 as a part of the Transitional Year Program, 1025 01:09:55,942 --> 01:09:58,445 and we were also very poor. 1026 01:09:58,528 --> 01:10:00,572 We came from families 1027 01:10:00,655 --> 01:10:03,950 that didn't have books hanging on the wall. 1028 01:10:04,993 --> 01:10:07,037 PAULI: I developed a legal studies class 1029 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,205 at the undergraduate level. 1030 01:10:09,289 --> 01:10:11,333 The 14th and 15th Amendments 1031 01:10:11,416 --> 01:10:14,377 have often tended to meet the claims of Negroes. 1032 01:10:14,461 --> 01:10:16,546 This historical development 1033 01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:19,215 has had certain unanticipated consequences. 1034 01:10:19,299 --> 01:10:22,135 She was dynamic, you know. 1035 01:10:22,218 --> 01:10:25,472 Um, and then the word "Negro" keeps coming up. 1036 01:10:25,555 --> 01:10:28,892 PAULI: It seemed to me, Negroes... 1037 01:10:28,975 --> 01:10:30,435 MYERS: And you-you hear the... 1038 01:10:30,518 --> 01:10:34,272 the muffling through the small Black section. 1039 01:10:34,356 --> 01:10:35,523 (scoffs softly) 1040 01:10:35,607 --> 01:10:37,943 -(chuckling) -She's talking about, you know, 1041 01:10:38,026 --> 01:10:42,614 social change in the law and the history of it. 1042 01:10:42,697 --> 01:10:44,199 You know, "We're definitely gonna deal 1043 01:10:44,282 --> 01:10:46,242 with the Negro section." 1044 01:10:46,326 --> 01:10:47,535 (groans) 1045 01:10:48,703 --> 01:10:55,543 REID: Pauli went to Brandeis intellectually sharp, but 1046 01:10:55,627 --> 01:10:58,672 fixed in her ways in certain things. 1047 01:10:58,755 --> 01:11:00,715 She thought that we should 1048 01:11:00,799 --> 01:11:03,385 always be referred to as Negroes. 1049 01:11:03,468 --> 01:11:06,471 PAULI: That's Negro with a capital "N." 1050 01:11:06,554 --> 01:11:08,056 In the South, it was always printed 1051 01:11:08,139 --> 01:11:11,142 with the ignominious small "N." 1052 01:11:11,226 --> 01:11:14,646 I was immediately attracted to the capitalized version, 1053 01:11:14,729 --> 01:11:18,233 which seemed to give dignity to my identification. 1054 01:11:18,316 --> 01:11:22,028 It remains my preference for describing people of color, 1055 01:11:22,112 --> 01:11:25,865 and I am uncomfortable with the lowercase "black." 1056 01:11:25,949 --> 01:11:28,034 CROWD: ♪ Black is beautiful ♪ 1057 01:11:28,118 --> 01:11:29,411 Freedom! 1058 01:11:29,494 --> 01:11:31,746 ♪ That I would agree ♪ 1059 01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:33,540 Freedom! 1060 01:11:33,623 --> 01:11:36,042 ♪ Black is beautiful ♪ 1061 01:11:36,126 --> 01:11:37,502 Freedom! 1062 01:11:37,585 --> 01:11:39,379 REID: And you can imagine in the days 1063 01:11:39,462 --> 01:11:42,674 of civil rights movement, Black Power movement, 1064 01:11:42,757 --> 01:11:45,719 and here's this petite lady 1065 01:11:45,802 --> 01:11:50,015 teaching at Brandeis, talking about Negroes. 1066 01:11:50,098 --> 01:11:51,474 -(shouting) -(drums beating) 1067 01:11:51,558 --> 01:11:54,602 PAULI: I had fought for opening up dormitories 1068 01:11:54,686 --> 01:11:56,980 and opening up restaurants in the '40s. 1069 01:11:58,481 --> 01:12:00,734 The new breed who came along in the '60s, 1070 01:12:00,817 --> 01:12:03,695 they come and they want separate dormitories. 1071 01:12:03,778 --> 01:12:07,532 Almost as if they're gobbling up the generation behind them. 1072 01:12:07,615 --> 01:12:09,242 Now, that's hard to take. 1073 01:12:09,325 --> 01:12:11,911 MAN: Last January, Black students 1074 01:12:11,995 --> 01:12:14,247 at Brandeis University occupied a building 1075 01:12:14,330 --> 01:12:16,624 and demanded a Black studies program. 1076 01:12:17,751 --> 01:12:20,128 PAULI: The Black students took over one of the buildings, 1077 01:12:20,211 --> 01:12:24,424 and my office was in that building. 1078 01:12:25,467 --> 01:12:28,595 REID: Pauli thought the students were out of step, 1079 01:12:28,678 --> 01:12:31,848 uh, with reality and with history. 1080 01:12:31,931 --> 01:12:34,100 They, of course, thought she was out of step. 1081 01:12:35,143 --> 01:12:37,854 SAPP: They distanced themselves from her. 1082 01:12:37,937 --> 01:12:40,106 INTERVIEWER: Did Pauli ever say anything about that? 1083 01:12:40,190 --> 01:12:41,900 Well, I think she was hurt. 1084 01:12:41,983 --> 01:12:43,318 You could see it. 1085 01:12:45,361 --> 01:12:47,238 COOPER: Pauli just couldn't get it. 1086 01:12:47,322 --> 01:12:50,450 For all of her own youthful defiance, 1087 01:12:50,533 --> 01:12:52,952 she really struggled to understand 1088 01:12:53,036 --> 01:12:55,830 the spirit of young people, who... 1089 01:12:55,914 --> 01:12:57,665 if she were mad 30 years ago 1090 01:12:57,749 --> 01:12:59,501 and they're still dealing with the same challenges, 1091 01:12:59,584 --> 01:13:02,170 of course they're even angrier 30 years later. 1092 01:13:02,253 --> 01:13:04,756 MYERS: The Black students, who wanted to be 1093 01:13:04,839 --> 01:13:08,176 like Black Panthers, thought she was a Tom, 1094 01:13:08,259 --> 01:13:09,928 just by the way that, you know, 1095 01:13:10,011 --> 01:13:12,722 she didn't like the takeover, she didn't like 1096 01:13:12,806 --> 01:13:15,975 the word "Black," um... 1097 01:13:16,059 --> 01:13:19,312 but if that's all they knew, 1098 01:13:19,395 --> 01:13:21,731 they were missing the point. 1099 01:13:21,815 --> 01:13:23,817 ♪ ♪ 1100 01:13:28,780 --> 01:13:32,951 For any Black kid on that campus 1101 01:13:33,034 --> 01:13:35,620 and any woman on that campus, 1102 01:13:35,703 --> 01:13:37,622 she was walking history. 1103 01:13:43,336 --> 01:13:46,089 We even went to her house, 1104 01:13:46,172 --> 01:13:48,883 and she opened the door... 1105 01:13:52,887 --> 01:13:59,018 ...and every wall of her house was books. 1106 01:14:00,311 --> 01:14:04,524 From top to bottom: books, books, books. 1107 01:14:04,607 --> 01:14:06,734 To me, it was paradise. 1108 01:14:06,818 --> 01:14:09,028 And I think the first thing I asked was, 1109 01:14:09,112 --> 01:14:11,573 "Have you... have you read all of these?" 1110 01:14:12,615 --> 01:14:14,868 She said, "Yes. 1111 01:14:14,951 --> 01:14:17,996 The ones I haven't read, I haven't put on the shelf yet." 1112 01:14:20,415 --> 01:14:22,625 SAPP: We got to trust her 1113 01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:25,336 because we came from educational situations 1114 01:14:25,420 --> 01:14:28,798 where people used to demean you 1115 01:14:28,882 --> 01:14:31,426 because you didn't know something. 1116 01:14:31,509 --> 01:14:35,096 She always respected who you were as a human being. 1117 01:14:36,431 --> 01:14:38,600 I remember feeling... 1118 01:14:38,683 --> 01:14:40,476 a little special. 1119 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,520 She would have that Camel cigarette 1120 01:14:42,604 --> 01:14:44,939 sitting on the end of her lip. 1121 01:14:45,023 --> 01:14:46,357 (chuckles) Do you remember that? 1122 01:14:46,441 --> 01:14:49,068 -Yeah. -She would take that cigarette and... 1123 01:14:49,152 --> 01:14:51,154 (laughs) 1124 01:14:51,237 --> 01:14:53,448 And it's almost like, 1125 01:14:53,531 --> 01:14:56,910 "You need to learn something, Negro." 1126 01:14:56,993 --> 01:14:58,536 (laughing) 1127 01:15:00,872 --> 01:15:05,001 ROSENBERG: Murray was 60 and was very concerned 1128 01:15:05,084 --> 01:15:08,922 that she would not have enough money in her old age. 1129 01:15:09,005 --> 01:15:12,550 So she demanded that she be brought up for tenure. 1130 01:15:12,634 --> 01:15:14,385 ♪ ♪ 1131 01:15:14,469 --> 01:15:16,471 (typewriter keys clacking) 1132 01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,948 COOPER: "Lacks brilliance." "Is not up to standard." 1133 01:15:35,031 --> 01:15:37,075 Pauli is denied. 1134 01:15:37,158 --> 01:15:41,829 It was completely absurd, um, and so the battle was on. 1135 01:15:52,507 --> 01:15:55,635 ROSENBERG: Pauli said, "My contributions have been in law. 1136 01:15:55,718 --> 01:15:59,847 "Many of the ideas that you now take for granted 1137 01:15:59,931 --> 01:16:02,100 were radical when I first proposed them." 1138 01:16:02,183 --> 01:16:06,938 Pauli conceptualized so much of what 1139 01:16:07,021 --> 01:16:08,815 the legal architecture has been 1140 01:16:08,898 --> 01:16:11,734 for challenging systems of discrimination. 1141 01:16:12,777 --> 01:16:15,738 We can't comprehend legal movements for justice 1142 01:16:15,822 --> 01:16:18,574 without understanding Pauli's role in them. 1143 01:16:28,084 --> 01:16:29,836 ROSENBERG: And in the end, 1144 01:16:29,919 --> 01:16:33,256 the president of the university granted Pauli tenure. 1145 01:16:41,347 --> 01:16:43,349 PAULI: I'm gonna try to finish the book 1146 01:16:43,433 --> 01:16:45,476 in one more chapter. 1147 01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,229 And this is my most difficult chapter 1148 01:16:48,313 --> 01:16:51,733 because it deals with one of my best friends. 1149 01:16:53,985 --> 01:16:56,154 SAPP: Renee took care of the house. 1150 01:16:56,237 --> 01:16:59,282 Renee catalogued all the books. 1151 01:16:59,365 --> 01:17:01,242 She took care of the dog. 1152 01:17:01,326 --> 01:17:04,787 She kept Pauli Murray's agendas. 1153 01:17:04,871 --> 01:17:06,414 You know, if she couldn't find something, 1154 01:17:06,497 --> 01:17:08,207 "Oh, Renee, you know where this is?" 1155 01:17:08,291 --> 01:17:10,710 You know, that kind of thing. 1156 01:17:10,793 --> 01:17:14,422 Most people did not know that Pauli was gay. 1157 01:17:15,423 --> 01:17:19,093 And we all kept it under the radar. 1158 01:17:19,177 --> 01:17:21,846 INTERVIEWER: How did you know? Did Pauli talk to you about it? 1159 01:17:21,929 --> 01:17:26,434 No. I mean, I don't know how to describe it, 1160 01:17:26,517 --> 01:17:28,936 but if you're around someone 1161 01:17:29,020 --> 01:17:30,313 -long enough... -Long enough. 1162 01:17:30,396 --> 01:17:33,399 ...you-you get a hint. 1163 01:17:33,483 --> 01:17:36,694 I mean, you just know. 1164 01:17:36,778 --> 01:17:39,697 Did Pauli talk about Renee? 1165 01:17:39,781 --> 01:17:42,283 She talked about-- Renee was her friend. 1166 01:17:42,367 --> 01:17:43,910 -That's the way she spoke... -Mm-hmm. 1167 01:17:43,993 --> 01:17:45,536 -...to us about it. -Always friend. 1168 01:17:45,620 --> 01:17:47,622 ♪ ♪ 1169 01:17:57,465 --> 01:17:59,092 ROSENBERG: Renee gets sick. 1170 01:18:02,261 --> 01:18:05,598 She has a recurrence of breast cancer. 1171 01:18:05,681 --> 01:18:09,352 She undergoes treatments that are unsuccessful, 1172 01:18:09,435 --> 01:18:12,146 and she dies in 1973. 1173 01:18:27,245 --> 01:18:28,996 PAULI: Most people who go through 1174 01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,875 the death and dying of cancer, 1175 01:18:32,959 --> 01:18:35,461 I say we're the walking wounded. 1176 01:18:35,545 --> 01:18:37,547 ♪ ♪ 1177 01:19:07,827 --> 01:19:09,829 ♪ ♪ 1178 01:19:39,150 --> 01:19:42,361 PAULI: It seemed to me, as I looked back over my life, 1179 01:19:42,445 --> 01:19:46,282 that all of these problems of human rights 1180 01:19:46,365 --> 01:19:47,825 in which I had been involved 1181 01:19:47,909 --> 01:19:49,994 were moral and spiritual problems. 1182 01:19:51,078 --> 01:19:53,581 And I saw that the profession 1183 01:19:53,664 --> 01:19:56,542 to which I had devoted my life-- law-- 1184 01:19:56,626 --> 01:19:59,545 could not give us the answers. 1185 01:19:59,629 --> 01:20:02,048 And I asked myself, 1186 01:20:02,131 --> 01:20:05,176 "What do you want to do with the time you have left?" 1187 01:20:06,344 --> 01:20:09,013 I was being pointed in the direction 1188 01:20:09,096 --> 01:20:12,391 of the priesthood or... 1189 01:20:12,475 --> 01:20:15,561 service to the church. 1190 01:20:15,645 --> 01:20:17,021 All of a sudden, she tells me 1191 01:20:17,104 --> 01:20:18,606 she's gonna be an Episcopal priest. 1192 01:20:18,689 --> 01:20:20,566 I was stunned. 1193 01:20:20,650 --> 01:20:22,610 Pauli was deeply religious. 1194 01:20:22,693 --> 01:20:24,695 I must say that I did not understand 1195 01:20:24,779 --> 01:20:26,405 that part of her, but she was. 1196 01:20:26,489 --> 01:20:28,741 Well, nobody could really figure out what she was doing. 1197 01:20:28,824 --> 01:20:31,494 "You're gonna leave your job and go where for four years? 1198 01:20:31,577 --> 01:20:33,955 Seminary school? Are you crazy?" 1199 01:20:34,038 --> 01:20:37,083 (bell tolling) 1200 01:20:37,166 --> 01:20:39,544 MAN: Today at the old Chapel of the Cross, 1201 01:20:39,627 --> 01:20:42,171 at the very altar where her grandmother 1202 01:20:42,255 --> 01:20:43,839 was baptized as a slave, 1203 01:20:43,923 --> 01:20:46,717 the Holy Eucharist is to be celebrated 1204 01:20:46,801 --> 01:20:50,471 for the first time by the Reverend Dr. Pauli Murray. 1205 01:20:50,555 --> 01:20:52,557 (congregation singing hymn) 1206 01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,644 ROSENBERG: By the time Pauli graduates 1207 01:20:56,727 --> 01:20:58,563 from theological school, 1208 01:20:58,646 --> 01:21:00,356 on the basis of Pauli's efforts 1209 01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,358 and the efforts of many other women, 1210 01:21:02,441 --> 01:21:05,611 the Episcopal Church decides to grant women 1211 01:21:05,695 --> 01:21:07,446 the right to be ordained. 1212 01:21:07,530 --> 01:21:09,782 And Pauli Murray is the very first Black woman 1213 01:21:09,865 --> 01:21:13,244 to be ordained in the Episcopal Church. 1214 01:21:13,327 --> 01:21:17,415 The Holy Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ 1215 01:21:17,498 --> 01:21:19,458 according to Luke. 1216 01:21:19,542 --> 01:21:21,836 CONGREGATION: Glory to you, Lord Christ. 1217 01:21:21,919 --> 01:21:24,505 The peace of the Lord be with you. 1218 01:21:24,589 --> 01:21:26,966 CONGREGATION: And also with you. 1219 01:21:28,175 --> 01:21:30,428 (indistinct chatter) 1220 01:21:30,511 --> 01:21:33,097 PAULI: What I was trying to communicate 1221 01:21:33,180 --> 01:21:36,601 as I administered the bread 1222 01:21:36,684 --> 01:21:41,981 was a lovingness for each individual. 1223 01:21:42,064 --> 01:21:44,650 (organ playing) 1224 01:21:44,734 --> 01:21:46,902 I think reconciliation is taking place 1225 01:21:46,986 --> 01:21:49,113 between individuals, groping out, 1226 01:21:49,196 --> 01:21:51,073 reaching toward one another. 1227 01:21:52,825 --> 01:21:55,411 It was not I as an individual, 1228 01:21:55,494 --> 01:21:58,789 it was that historic moment in time 1229 01:21:58,873 --> 01:22:04,754 when I represented a symbol of the past, 1230 01:22:04,837 --> 01:22:08,215 of the suffering, of the conflict, 1231 01:22:08,299 --> 01:22:10,801 reaching out my hand symbolically 1232 01:22:10,885 --> 01:22:15,014 and all of those behind me, and they were responding. 1233 01:22:16,265 --> 01:22:19,226 ROSS: She wasn't a listener when I was growing up. 1234 01:22:19,310 --> 01:22:21,729 She was a talker. 1235 01:22:21,812 --> 01:22:25,024 And after seminary school, um, 1236 01:22:25,107 --> 01:22:26,859 she became a listener. 1237 01:22:28,402 --> 01:22:30,863 As intense as she had been in fighting 1238 01:22:30,946 --> 01:22:35,076 and struggling and changing the world, 1239 01:22:35,159 --> 01:22:37,411 she was just as compassionate 1240 01:22:37,495 --> 01:22:42,750 as that when she was mentoring to people 1241 01:22:42,833 --> 01:22:44,377 through the church. 1242 01:22:44,460 --> 01:22:46,420 (bell tolling) 1243 01:23:13,406 --> 01:23:15,783 She had written short stories. 1244 01:23:15,866 --> 01:23:16,992 She had written 1245 01:23:17,076 --> 01:23:19,704 Proud Shoes, a family history. 1246 01:23:20,996 --> 01:23:22,873 She and James Baldwin 1247 01:23:22,957 --> 01:23:25,209 were the first African American writers 1248 01:23:25,292 --> 01:23:29,338 to be colonists at the prestigious MacDowell Colony. 1249 01:23:31,340 --> 01:23:33,843 By the early 1980s, 1250 01:23:33,926 --> 01:23:37,263 she had just about finished, in her words, 1251 01:23:37,346 --> 01:23:39,765 "that dreaded autobiography." 1252 01:23:39,849 --> 01:23:41,851 ♪ ♪ 1253 01:23:44,395 --> 01:23:47,314 Also, there were signs 1254 01:23:47,398 --> 01:23:50,276 that she had pancreatic cancer. 1255 01:23:52,820 --> 01:23:54,697 MAN: What do you fear most? 1256 01:23:54,780 --> 01:23:56,323 Just as a general question. 1257 01:23:56,407 --> 01:23:59,201 PAULI: What do I fear most? 1258 01:23:59,285 --> 01:24:01,704 Probably dying without finishing 1259 01:24:01,787 --> 01:24:05,249 what I'm... what I want to finish. 1260 01:24:07,251 --> 01:24:09,336 ROSS: It was important for her to tell her story 1261 01:24:09,420 --> 01:24:11,172 the way she wanted it told. 1262 01:24:19,805 --> 01:24:22,349 I knew she was working on-on another book, 1263 01:24:22,433 --> 01:24:23,851 a-a memoir, 1264 01:24:23,934 --> 01:24:27,938 and I knew she was kind of racing the-the clock. 1265 01:24:28,022 --> 01:24:30,024 (typewriter keys clacking) 1266 01:24:32,943 --> 01:24:34,862 It was, "Let's get this book done." 1267 01:24:34,945 --> 01:24:37,782 (typewriter keys clacking) 1268 01:24:37,865 --> 01:24:40,034 She could be impatient. 1269 01:24:40,117 --> 01:24:41,577 PAULI: What I tried to do 1270 01:24:41,660 --> 01:24:46,040 was to give a picture of Negro life 1271 01:24:46,123 --> 01:24:48,459 that reflects the fact 1272 01:24:48,542 --> 01:24:52,046 that we have lived so much like other Americans 1273 01:24:52,129 --> 01:24:54,965 and that in spite of all of the difficulties 1274 01:24:55,049 --> 01:24:56,926 and adversities, there are these flashes 1275 01:24:57,009 --> 01:25:02,264 of-of, uh, joy and humor. 1276 01:25:06,727 --> 01:25:08,729 (typewriter keys clacking) 1277 01:25:10,105 --> 01:25:13,818 I'm very close to the end of, uh, 1278 01:25:13,901 --> 01:25:17,780 of this, uh, manuscript, page 504. 1279 01:25:18,906 --> 01:25:22,159 If there were moments of deep despair, 1280 01:25:22,243 --> 01:25:24,912 there was the sustaining knowledge 1281 01:25:24,995 --> 01:25:26,580 that in the quest for human dignity, 1282 01:25:26,664 --> 01:25:28,874 one is part of a continuous movement 1283 01:25:28,958 --> 01:25:30,876 through time and history, 1284 01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,963 linked to a higher moral force in the universe. 1285 01:25:34,046 --> 01:25:36,048 ♪ ♪ 1286 01:25:52,147 --> 01:25:54,191 COOPER: Pauli left a legacy, 1287 01:25:54,275 --> 01:25:57,236 so why would we leave it on the table? 1288 01:25:57,319 --> 01:25:59,321 We literally live in an architecture of the world 1289 01:25:59,405 --> 01:26:00,823 that Pauli Murray built. 1290 01:26:07,580 --> 01:26:10,040 BELL-SCOTT: There are some scholars who now argue 1291 01:26:10,124 --> 01:26:13,002 that you cannot teach American history 1292 01:26:13,085 --> 01:26:14,879 without teaching about Pauli Murray. 1293 01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,842 ♪ ♪ 1294 01:26:29,643 --> 01:26:32,313 STRANGIO: When we were presenting our case 1295 01:26:32,396 --> 01:26:35,357 before the Supreme Court to ensure that LGBTQ people 1296 01:26:35,441 --> 01:26:40,571 are protected under federal laws prohibiting sex discrimination, 1297 01:26:40,654 --> 01:26:42,114 it was impossible to conceptualize 1298 01:26:42,197 --> 01:26:43,991 that work without Pauli. 1299 01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:47,953 WILLIS: Pauli may not have realized 1300 01:26:48,037 --> 01:26:52,249 that they would be a beacon of solace 1301 01:26:52,333 --> 01:26:54,335 for so many queer and transgender 1302 01:26:54,418 --> 01:26:56,170 and gender nonconforming folks. 1303 01:26:56,253 --> 01:26:59,965 Generations down the road, that's what they've become. 1304 01:27:17,983 --> 01:27:19,944 WOMAN: Today we're sitting in Pauli Murray College. 1305 01:27:20,027 --> 01:27:22,696 Back then, Pauli Murray would not have 1306 01:27:22,780 --> 01:27:24,031 even dreamed of anything like this. 1307 01:27:25,074 --> 01:27:27,076 (applause) 1308 01:27:29,620 --> 01:27:33,165 CHANDLER: If Pauli had been able to really 1309 01:27:33,248 --> 01:27:37,002 fully inhabit themselves, I think that it only would've... 1310 01:27:37,086 --> 01:27:39,755 would've improved the contributions that Pauli made 1311 01:27:39,838 --> 01:27:44,259 to the law or to religion, writing or to poetry. 1312 01:27:44,343 --> 01:27:46,387 What kind of magic would've happened? 1313 01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:47,721 (laughs) 1314 01:27:47,805 --> 01:27:49,348 TINA LU: If you study the past, 1315 01:27:49,431 --> 01:27:51,183 you have to let go of the idea 1316 01:27:51,266 --> 01:27:54,561 that the people who become well-respected and celebrated 1317 01:27:54,645 --> 01:27:56,897 correlate with the people 1318 01:27:56,981 --> 01:28:01,235 who deserve to be celebrated and well-respected. 1319 01:28:01,318 --> 01:28:04,905 Pauli is somebody whose time had not come. 1320 01:28:04,989 --> 01:28:07,783 Um, it might not yet come fully. 1321 01:28:08,826 --> 01:28:11,829 We have to work for a world in which it does come. 1322 01:28:11,912 --> 01:28:13,914 ♪ ♪ 1323 01:28:19,545 --> 01:28:21,296 KELEONA JIMINEZ: Give me a song of hope 1324 01:28:21,380 --> 01:28:22,923 And a world where I can sing it. 1325 01:28:23,007 --> 01:28:25,050 Give me a song of kindliness 1326 01:28:25,134 --> 01:28:26,802 And a country where I can live it. 1327 01:28:26,885 --> 01:28:29,388 Give me a song of hope and love 1328 01:28:29,471 --> 01:28:31,265 And a brown girl's heart to hear it. 1329 01:28:31,348 --> 01:28:33,058 Pauli Murray. 1330 01:28:34,351 --> 01:28:36,353 ("This Train" by Sister Rosetta Tharpe plays) 1331 01:28:44,987 --> 01:28:49,992 -♪ This train is a clean train ♪ -(rhythmic clapping) 1332 01:28:50,075 --> 01:28:51,952 ♪ This train ♪ 1333 01:28:54,830 --> 01:28:59,001 ♪ This train is a clean train ♪ 1334 01:28:59,084 --> 01:29:01,837 ♪ This train ♪ 1335 01:29:04,548 --> 01:29:08,802 ♪ This train is a clean train ♪ 1336 01:29:08,886 --> 01:29:13,640 ♪ Everybody riding in Jesus' name ♪ 1337 01:29:13,724 --> 01:29:18,228 ♪ This train is a clean train ♪ 1338 01:29:18,312 --> 01:29:20,397 ♪ This train ♪ 1339 01:29:22,900 --> 01:29:27,488 ♪ This train is bound for glory ♪ 1340 01:29:27,571 --> 01:29:29,073 ♪ This train ♪ 1341 01:29:32,576 --> 01:29:36,580 ♪ This train, Brother Spann, is bound for glory ♪ 1342 01:29:36,663 --> 01:29:38,582 ♪ You know this train ♪ 1343 01:29:41,752 --> 01:29:46,381 ♪ This train is bound for glory ♪ 1344 01:29:46,465 --> 01:29:50,135 ♪ Everybody riding her got to be holy ♪ 1345 01:29:50,219 --> 01:29:55,724 ♪ Because this train is a clean train ♪ 1346 01:29:55,808 --> 01:30:00,979 ♪ This train. ♪ 1347 01:30:01,063 --> 01:30:02,981 (song ends) 1348 01:30:03,065 --> 01:30:05,067 ♪ ♪ 1349 01:30:34,263 --> 01:30:36,265 ♪ ♪ 1350 01:31:05,878 --> 01:31:07,880 ♪ ♪ 1351 01:31:38,744 --> 01:31:40,746 ♪ ♪ 1352 01:32:11,193 --> 01:32:13,195 ♪ ♪ 1353 01:32:43,225 --> 01:32:45,227 ♪ ♪ 1354 01:33:10,335 --> 01:33:12,337 -(music ends) -(typewriter keys clack) 99054

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