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{\an1}♪ ♪
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{\an1}♪ It hurts to be told when
you're not very old ♪
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{\an1}MARIANA: Americans and
guns go hand in hand.
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{\an1}♪ An outlaw's son ♪
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{\an1}MARIANA: They're part of the
country's founding mythology,
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{\an1}and for some citizens, they go
to the core of what it means
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{\an1}to be an American.
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{\an1}COWBOY: We're surrounded
by a sea of wonderful
products to buy.
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{\an1}♪ The son of a gun ♪
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{\an1}MARIANA: Today, the US has
nearly 400 million firearms
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{\an1}in circulation.
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{\an1}It's the only country
in the world with more
guns than people.
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{\an1}All of this is
constitutionally protected
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{\an1}and 100% legal.
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{\an1}But a new kind of weapons
technology is testing the
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{\an1}limits of America's gun laws.
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{\an1}They're called ghost guns.
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{\an1}Unlicensed, untraceable,
and easy to assemble at home.
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{\an1}CODY: Almost everything
you see here is just
printed on a 3D printer.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Do they ask
you any questions?
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{\an1}MARIANA: I want to know who's
making them, who's buying them.
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{\an1}Have you sold to criminals?
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{\an1}MARIANA: And how these weapons
are getting into the hands of
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{\an1}America's most violent gangs.
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{\an1}CODY: This is a world
you will have to live in.
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{\an1}There's no going back.
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{\an1}(gunshots)
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{\an1}(theme music plays)
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{\an1}RYAN: We're searching for
ammunition and firearms.
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{\an1}No one inside of this house
has any guns registered to
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{\an1}them, but there's likely
several guns inside of here.
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{\an1}We don't necessarily
anticipate any violence,
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{\an1}but they are meth users and the
dope game is unpredictable.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Welcome to the
frontlines of the fight
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{\an1}against ghost guns.
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{\an1}Detective Ryan Swetavage is a
member of the Alameda County
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{\an1}Sheriff's Office
Gang Suppression Unit.
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{\an1}Today, the team is executing a
search warrant on the home of
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{\an1}a convicted felon; a home
they suspect is being used to
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{\an1}manufacture ghost guns.
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{\an1}RYAN: So when we pull up
in front of the house,
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{\an1}try to stay behind a vehicle,
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{\an1}so you're a little bit
more protected.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Okay.
In case there are shots fired?
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{\an1}RYAN: Correct.
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{\an1}Okay. Here we go.
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{\an1}♪ ♪
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{\an1}(knocking)
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{\an1}This is the Alameda
County Sheriff's Office!
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{\an1}Come to the front door
with nothing in your hands!
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{\an1}Come on down the stairs.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Oh,
somebody just came out.
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{\an1}MAN: Oh, my God.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Over the next couple
hours, the team locates an
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{\an1}impressive weapons cache.
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{\an1}That was inside?
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{\an1}RYAN: Yeah.
MARIANA: That long one too?
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{\an1}RYAN: Yeah.
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{\an1}So, she's not supposed to have
firearms, but this is actually
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{\an1}from a company.
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{\an1}And then they drilled some
holes in it, milled it out,
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{\an1}and then completed the gun.
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{\an1}There's no serial
number on that plate.
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{\an1}MARIANA: So it's a
ghost gun, as well?
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{\an1}RYAN: Correct, yeah.
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{\an1}MARIANA: This is
a critical point.
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{\an1}Ghost guns are weapons
without serial numbers,
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{\an1}untraceable guns, which
pose an enormous challenge
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{\an1}for cops investigating
gun violence.
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{\an1}That's crazy.
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{\an1}Did you think you were
going to find so many guns?
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{\an1}RYAN: I didn't think we're
going to find this many.
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{\an1}I mean, right here, just what
we found so far, you know,
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{\an1}about 30% of the guns
here are ghosN guns.
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{\an1}MARIANA: This is not
an isolated incident.
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{\an1}Illegal ghost gun recoveries
are accelerating and there's
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{\an1}a disturbing reason why.
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{\an1}REPORTER (over TV): The
13-year-old was allegedly
selling ghost guns.
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{\an1}POLICE (over TV): You can
manufacture your own gun.
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{\an1}REPORTER (over TV):
And build something
that could kill people.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Right now, there are
more than 80 companies
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{\an1}selling ghost guns.
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{\an1}MAN: Straight to your door.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Unlike traditional
firearms, they can be
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{\an1}purchased without any
IDs or background checks.
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{\an1}Buyers get what's
called an 80% build kit.
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{\an1}They simply drill a
few holes and assemble.
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{\an1}It's like Ikea
for lethal weapons.
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{\an1}WOMAN: This is how I've built
mine, how will you build yours?
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{\an1}RYAN: This is basically
an AR-15 rifle that's been
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{\an1}converted to fire
handgun ammunition,
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{\an1}nine-millimeter ammunition.
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{\an1}In this case, we executed a
search warrant on someone who
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{\an1}was manufacturing these guns
and likely selling them to
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{\an1}gang members.
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{\an1}MARIANA: But you found somebody
making their own AR-15s
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{\an1}to sell to gang members on the
streets of the United States?
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{\an1}RYAN: Correct, yeah.
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{\an1}If he's going to put guns in
the hands of gang members,
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{\an1}he absolutely should not
have that anything.
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{\an1}MARIANA: And it's ghost gun
technology like this that's
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{\an1}making it possible.
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{\an1}RYAN: This actual
device is a mill.
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{\an1}It's an electronic mill.
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{\an1}So you plug that in to a
laptop or any sort of computer
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{\an1}and with a software
that you can download,
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{\an1}you can finish firearms.
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{\an1}MARIANA: The operation they
busted earlier tonight was
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{\an1}using hand drills and
dremels to make ghost guns.
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{\an1}RYAN: These are just
regular hand tools.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Somewhat primitive
compared to this machine,
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{\an1}which allows someone
to professionally mill
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{\an1}metal gun parts at home.
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{\an1}So do you mind if I look for,
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{\an1}I'm trying to figure out
what company makes this.
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{\an1}RYAN: No.
Go for it.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Oh, wow.
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{\an1}A well-regulated militia being
necessary to the security of a
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{\an1}free state, to
keep and bear arms.
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{\an1}It's the Bill of Rights
that's written here.
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{\an1}Had you seen this?
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{\an1}RYAN: No, I didn't see that.
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{\an1}MARIANA: A little more
poking around reveals that the
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{\an1}machine is manufactured by
"Defense Distributed,"
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{\an1}a company based 1,500
miles away in Austin, Texas.
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{\an1}CODY: It's like a
tradition of ours to put
in little Easter eggs.
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{\an1}So we just managed to fit the
entire Bill of Rights on this
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{\an1}LED board here.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Really,
all of it is here?
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{\an1}CODY: Uh-hmm.
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{\an1}You would never know that, you
know, but that's just a little
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{\an1}gift of love from us to you.
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{\an1}MARIANA: This looks like
a Star Wars gun almost. Right?
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{\an1}CODY: This is, careful where
you point that, but this is
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{\an1}J Stark's FGC.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Oh,
this is the, sorry.
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{\an1}CODY: Here's your barrel. Yeah.
This is J Stark's FGC-9.
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{\an1}This is the Mark II.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Oh.
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{\an1}CODY: This is (bleep) Gun
Control, nine millimeter.
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{\an1}And almost everything you see
here is actually just printed
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{\an1}on a 3D printer.
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{\an1}Anyone in the world should be
able to make it if they have
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{\an1}the right equipment.
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{\an1}MARIANA: A decade ago,
3D-printed guns like this
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{\an1}were the stuff of
science fiction.
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{\an1}CODY: When I see this gun, I
see the fulfillment of the
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{\an1}things that I was doing.
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{\an1}MARIANA: So
you're proud of it.
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{\an1}CODY: I enjoy it.
I love it. Yeah.
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{\an1}It's, I look at it
more like a child.
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{\an1}MARIANA: The man I'm speaking
with didn't invent this
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{\an1}particular weapon, but he gave
birth to the technology
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{\an1}that made it possible.
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{\an1}His name is...
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{\an1}REPORTER (over TV):
Cody Wilson.
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{\an1}REPORTER 2 (over TV):
Cody Wilson.
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{\an1}REPORTER 3 (over TV):
Cody Wilson.
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{\an1}MARIANA: He's the director
of Defense Distributed,
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{\an1}one of the country's leading
ghost gun manufacturers.
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{\an1}CODY: If you can run a computer,
you can run a ghost gun.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Some say Cody
is a gun rights activist.
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{\an1}CODY: As long as you have the
right to keep and bear arms,
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{\an1}you have the
right to make them.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Others
call him an anarchist.
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{\an1}REPORTER (over TV): This is
about weapons of war being made
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{\an1}in people's living rooms.
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{\an1}CODY: There would be nothing
illegal about even felons or
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{\an1}other people getting it.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Wired magazine
once labeled him one of
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{\an1}"the 15 most dangerous
people in the world."
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{\an1}RICHARD: The new wave of
American gun violence.
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{\an1}MARIANA: That's because Cody
Wilson was the first person to
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{\an1}build a fully functional,
3D-printed firearm.
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{\an1}CODY: I didn't know
how to print a gun.
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{\an1}I didn't know how
to use a 3D printer.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Uh-hmm.
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{\an1}CODY: But I knew
what I wanted to do.
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{\an1}I wanted to make
a Wiki Weapon.
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{\an1}I wanted to,
WikiLeaks for guns.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Three-dimensional
printers use raw materials
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{\an1}like metal or plastic,
depositing them
layer after layer
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{\an1}until they create a
three-dimensional object.
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{\an1}Today's 3D printers can
make just about anything,
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{\an1}from medical prosthetics and
children's toys, to furniture
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{\an1}and, of course, firearms.
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{\an1}Cody called his very first
creation "The Liberator."
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{\an1}So this was one of
the first, what?
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{\an1}Five guns that you printed?
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{\an1}CODY: I would say it's one of
the first three Liberators.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Oh, the
first three. Wow.
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{\an1}CODY: Ever printed...
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{\an1}MARIANA: And did you,
did you actually go out
and shoot this one?
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{\an1}CODY: Yeah. You can, in fact,
you can still see the dust
and the grime and the uh...
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{\an1}MARIANA: You can. Yeah.
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{\an1}CODY: The explosive
pNwder burns.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Uh-hmm.
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{\an1}CODY: And this
thing has been fired.
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{\an1}MARIANA: In fact, in May of
2013, Cody posted a video of
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{\an1}himself successfully
test-firing the Liberator,
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{\an1}then uploaded the gun's
design onto the web,
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{\an1}making it accessible
to anyone online,
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{\an1}including criminals
and terrorists.
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{\an1}It was downloaded
nearly 100,000 times.
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{\an1}Were you surprised?
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{\an1}CODY: Yeah.
I was like, "Wow. Okay."
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{\an1}I'm, I'm thrown into this
world just like you are now.
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{\an1}We live in a world of 3D guns.
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{\an1}MARIANA: It's a world the U.S.
Government wasn't happy about,
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{\an1}so they accused Cody of
illegally trafficking
weapons overseas.
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{\an1}CODY: The fun thing of
the law is there's a line.
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{\an1}Before that line, this
is a piece of metal.
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{\an1}It might have a funny
shape, but it means nothing.
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{\an1}After this line, the ATF
says this is a firearm.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Uh-hmm. What do
you think of that line?
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{\an1}CODY: If the ATF
wants to redraw the line.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Uh-hmm.
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{\an1}CODY: We'll
redraw the line too.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Cody sued
the U.S. Government and
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{\an1}they ultimately backed down.
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{\an1}So your defense
was, it's the right...
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{\an1}CODY: Yeah.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Of free speech to be
able to put out this code that
makes these guns.
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{\an1}CODY: Uh-hmm.
Yeah, exactly.
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{\an1}It's a game.
Why can't I play this game?
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{\an1}MARIANA: Right now, the
rules of the game say that
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{\an1}any American company
selling guns needs
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{\an1}a Federal Firearms
License or FFL.
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{\an1}Ghost gun companies don't.
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{\an1}Because they argue,
they're not selling guns,
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{\an1}they're selling parts.
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{\an1}Online, I can buy all
these parts from you?
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{\an1}Everything?
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{\an1}CODY: Everything you see.
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{\an1}MARIANA: And then I
can put it together?
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{\an1}It all comes down
to a surprisingly
complicated question.
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{\an1}What exactly is a gun?
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{\an1}Every firearm is made
up of multiple parts.
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{\an1}Some parts are metal,
others are plastic.
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{\an1}But the U.S. Government
doesn't regulate
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{\an1}pieces of plastic and metal.
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{\an1}CODY: Who, who can determine,
and by what means,
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{\an1}when a piece of metal is a gun,
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{\an1}is more like a gun
than not a gun, right?
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{\an1}So a bureaucrat looks at a gun
and says, this is when this
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{\an1}becomes a gun.
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{\an1}This is when
this becomes a gun.
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{\an1}And these things have no
real relation to each other.
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{\an1}MARIANA: For the moment,
federal law has decided that
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{\an1}the firearm frame, or lower
receiver, is in fact what
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{\an1}makes a gun.
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{\an1}And once a series of holes
are drilled into the frame,
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{\an1}it becomes a working firearm
and worthy of regulation.
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{\an1}That's how ghost gun companies
get away with selling
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{\an1}incomplete, 80% kits because
there's still some at-home
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{\an1}assembly required.
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{\an1}We've spoken to a lot
of police departments
around the country and...
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{\an1}CODY: Yeah.
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{\an1}MARIANA: We know that there
are a lot more of ghost guns.
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{\an1}CODY: Yeah.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Showing
up in crime scenes.
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{\an1}REPORTER (over TV): The
epidemic of gun violence
gripping America.
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{\an1}REPORTER (over TV):
He built this gun.
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{\an1}REPORTER (over TV): Last year,
more than 20,000 people were
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{\an1}killed by a firearm in
the United States.
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{\an1}MARIANA: How do
you feel about that?
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{\an1}CODY: I'm happy that these
police are, you know, I don't
know what, finding work.
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{\an1}Be a detective.
Do your job.
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{\an1}All right?
How is this my problem?
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{\an1}CODY: This is how you
buy, like, a whole Glock.
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{\an1}But what we do ahead of time
is, you know, we chop it up.
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{\an1}We make sure that the
regulated part is no longer
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{\an1}in the package.
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{\an1}MARIANA: So, the lower
receiver isn't here.
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{\an1}CODY: You, you know, you've got
one, your one step removed.
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{\an1}Your lower is on a USB.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Wow.
CODY: Think about it.
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{\an1}MARIANA: All right.
That, this is so crazy to me.
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{\an1}So, you buy this, you've
got all the parts you need.
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{\an1}CODY: Yeah.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Except for the lower
receiver which, usually,
it's the registered part.
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{\an1}CODY: Yeah, yeah.
MARIANA: But guess what?
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{\an1}CODY: Yeah.
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{\an1}MARIANA: You have a
USB that will teach
you how to make a gun.
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{\an1}I'm trying to understand how
ghost guns are making their
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{\an1}way into the
hands of criminals.
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{\an1}And there's no better person
to ask than Cody Wilson.
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{\an1}The man who gave birth to
the ghost gun industry.
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{\an1}So, if the federal government,
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{\an1}if the authorities
were to open this.
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{\an1}CODY: Yeah.
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{\an1}MARIANA: They, everything
is legal here right now.
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{\an1}CODY: I don't see a gun in here.
I don't see a gun, sorry.
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{\an1}Nothing in here
looks regulated to me.
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{\an1}MARIANA: So it's a way of
trying to skirt the law?
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{\an1}CODY: I think it's, you know,
more, it's more grand than
that, right?
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{\an1}MARIANA: Uh-hmm.
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{\an1}CODY: It's a way of
making the law pointless.
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{\an1}This changes the balance of
power between the state and
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{\an1}between the individual.
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{\an1}Cheap available guns.
Downloadable guns.
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{\an1}3D-printed guns.
Guns with no serial numbers.
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{\an1}This is a world you
will have to live in.
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{\an1}You know, like,
there's no going back.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Cody Wilson calls
himself a crypto-anarchist.
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{\an1}His ideological inspiration
is WikiLeaks founder and
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{\an1}free speech radical,
Julian Assange.
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{\an1}Of course, Cody's focus
isn't speech, it's guns.
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{\an1}He advocates for immunity
from any government oversight.
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{\an1}But would a world without
meaningful gun laws
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{\an1}increase freedom or
just fuel anarchy?
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{\an1}How do you feel about the fact
that ghost guns are being used
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{\an1}to commit crimes, to
kill innocent people?
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{\an1}CODY: Guns kill people.
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{\an1}You know, this is what
makes them effective,
politically interesting.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Right. But there's
a reason why they're using
ghost guns, right?
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{\an1}Because they are untraceable,
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{\an1}because they're easy,
they're easy.
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{\an1}CODY: Oh, look, I agree.
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{\an1}MARIANA: You can make, you
still haven't answered my
question though.
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{\an1}How do you feel?
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{\an1}CODY: Excited, empowered.
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{\an1}Right? Capable of
delivering more damage.
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{\an1}I think I'll be a bigger
problem to the government and
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{\an1}I think, you know, that's what
I've always been trying to be.
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{\an1}MARIANA: I think a lot
of people would find that
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{\an1}incredibly dangerous,
as I'm sure you know.
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{\an1}CODY: Yeah, well,
I'm an American.
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{\an1}You know?
Move to Finland.
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{\an1}♪ ♪
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{\an1}♪ It hurts to be told ♪
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{\an1}♪ When you're not very old ♪
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{\an1}♪ That you're an outlaw's son ♪
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{\an1}♪ And that you're
the son of a gun ♪
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{\an1}MARIANA: It's already
incredibly easy to get a gun
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{\an1}in the U.S.
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{\an1}So I want to understand who's
buying ghost guns and why.
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{\an1}♪ ♪
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{\an1}Wow, that's a lot
of weapons, huh?
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{\an1}MARIANA: Can I hold it?
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{\an1}MARIANA: It's, oh wow.
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{\an1}So it's all, it's 3D-printed,
what part of it's, it's the
lower receiver?
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{\an1}MARIANA: Do you have a
machine, the 3D printer?
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{\an1}MARIANA: And then the rest is
just parts that you bought.
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{\an1}MARIANA: My contact tells
me to call him "Dutch."
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{\an1}He says he built this AR-15
assault rifle from an
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{\an1}80% parts kit he ordered online,
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{\an1}just like the kits
Cody Wilson sells.
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{\an1}(gunshots)
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{\an1}Do they ask you any questions
when you're ordering this
stuff online?
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{\an1}MARIANA: That's it?
DUTCH: Yup.
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{\an1}MARIANA: How many
guns do you own?
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{\an1}MARIANA: And how many
of them are ghost guns?
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{\an1}MARIANA: That's because Dutch
can't buy a traditional firearm.
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{\an1}Why can't you buy it?
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{\an1}MARIANA: Dutch and his
friends aren't criminals,
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{\an1}they're kids,
teenagers actually.
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{\an1}But because IDs aren't
required to order ghost guns,
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{\an1}the companies don't know, or
don't care, if they're helping
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{\an1}underage customers
acquire an arsenal like this.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Dutch is right.
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{\an1}I've been reporting on black
markets for more than 15 years
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{\an1}and guns are a lucrative
commodity to the
criminal underworld.
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{\an1}Every day they're bought,
sold, and smuggled throughout
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{\an1}the United States
and around the world.
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{\an1}Now that ghost guns can
be ordered online and
3D-printed at home,
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{\an1}I suspect someone, somewhere
is taking advantage of this.
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{\an1}So it's almost 9:00 PM.
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{\an1}We're heading to meet
one of our contacts.
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{\an1}He's an American, lives
here in LA, but is part
of a Mexican cartel.
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{\an1}His group has been dealing more
and more in, in ghost guns.
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{\an1}Apparently, they're receiving
some sort of shipment tonight.
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{\an1}So he's allowed us to
come and talk to him and
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{\an1}possibly film part
of his operation.
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{\an1}MARIANA: So all of the parts
in this gun were ordered from
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{\an1}online websites,
completely legal?
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{\an1}MARIANA: I've seen a lot of
things in my career,
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{\an1}but this is a first.
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{\an1}Watching two gang members
assemble an arsenal by simply
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{\an1}ordering the parts online,
grabbing a few tools,
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{\an1}and following the instructions.
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{\an1}So this is a
completely untraceable gun?
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{\an1}If you find this on the
streets, there's no way that
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{\an1}somebody's going to find
out where it came from?
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{\an1}MARIANA: Well, maybe not
everybody, but Tiny and Flaco
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{\an1}are members of the Surenos,
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{\an1}a violent Latin-American
street gang
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{\an1}whose stronghold is
in Southern California.
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{\an1}To arm their gang, they
used to have to buy guns from
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{\an1}private sellers or
straight up steal them,
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{\an1}but none of the guns I'm
looking at tonight are stolen.
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{\an1}How often are
you selling guns?
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{\an1}MARIANA: And so, now
what happens to these guns?
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{\an1}MARIANA: Oh, there's a
buyer on his way right now?
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{\an1}MARIANA: The buyer is eager
to see the merchandise,
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{\an1}but less than thrilled
about our presence.
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{\an1}♪ ♪
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{\an1}MARIANA: Just miles from
my home in Los Angeles,
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{\an1}I'm watching a ghost
gun deal go down.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Because these guns
don't have serial numbers and
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{\an1}are effectively untraceable,
the buyer pays $3,000.
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{\an1}That's three times what
similar guns would cost
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{\an1}at a legal firearms store.
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{\an1}(rapping in Spanish).
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{\an1}MARIANA: Do you worry
about what ends up
happening with these guns?
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{\an1}I mean...
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{\an1}MARIANA: It's a game I'm
only beginning to understand.
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{\an1}The following day, Flaco
tells me to meet him 100
miles outside the city.
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{\an1}I find him waiting for me
in a stolen pickup truck,
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{\an1}with another Sureno he
calls "Problem."
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{\an1}But the most explosive intel
he shares is that the buyers
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{\an1}I saw last night are
in police custody.
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{\an1}Oh, my.
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{\an1}So they used,
they used the guns?
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{\an1}Basically, they shot at other
people with those guns?
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{\an1}MARIANA: And
they were arrested?
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{\an1}MARIANA: Didn't you guys
get concerned that that might
lead back to you guys?
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{\an1}FLACO: No.
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{\an1}MARIANA: And do you know,
did anyone get hurt?
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{\an1}I mean, if he got in trouble,
it's because he probably
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{\an1}either injured or
killed somebody.
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{\an1}MARIANA: Would you
sell him a gun again?
424
00:22:17,461 --> 00:22:20,965
{\an1}MARIANA: Flaco tells
me the demand for his
products are skyrocketing.
425
00:22:20,965 --> 00:22:24,385
{\an1}In fact, he's out here in the
middle of nowhere for a very
426
00:22:24,385 --> 00:22:27,346
{\an1}specific reason,
quality control.
427
00:22:27,346 --> 00:22:28,347
{\an1}(gunshot)
428
00:22:35,229 --> 00:22:38,190
{\an1}MARIANA: Flaco reminds me
that in his world, if a weapon
429
00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:40,860
{\an1}doesn't work as advertised,
the buyer is going to come
430
00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:44,697
{\an1}looking for the seller and
he's going to be pissed.
431
00:22:46,073 --> 00:22:47,658
{\an1}I mean, I know this is the
middle of the desert,
432
00:22:47,658 --> 00:22:50,202
{\an1}but there's also a lot of people
around shooting their own guns.
433
00:22:50,202 --> 00:22:51,662
{\an1}FLACO: Uh-hmm.
434
00:22:51,662 --> 00:22:53,581
{\an1}MARIANA: This is not somewhere
that makes you nervous?
435
00:22:55,457 --> 00:22:59,962
{\an1}MARIANA: They're right,
the canyon is crawling
with legal gun owners.
436
00:23:01,755 --> 00:23:05,092
{\an1}These two gangsters are
hiding in plain sight.
437
00:23:05,926 --> 00:23:09,513
{\an1}But they're not shooting for
fun, like Dutch and his buddies.
438
00:23:10,014 --> 00:23:12,266
{\an1}They're making sure these
weapons are primed for
439
00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:14,643
{\an1}future gang hits.
440
00:23:15,102 --> 00:23:17,605
{\an1}(gunshots)
441
00:23:24,528 --> 00:23:26,488
{\an1}MARIANA: In your guy's case,
running a business.
442
00:23:26,488 --> 00:23:28,407
{\an1}(gunshots)
443
00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:30,618
{\an1}An illegal
business in this case.
444
00:23:36,332 --> 00:23:39,710
{\an1}MARIANA: Getting caught isn't
something these two worry about.
445
00:23:41,545 --> 00:23:44,465
{\an1}They already have buyers
waiting for them in the city.
446
00:23:45,883 --> 00:23:47,259
{\an1}♪ Oh! ♪
447
00:23:47,259 --> 00:23:49,845
{\an1}♪ I got to make me a gun ♪
448
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,932
{\an1}MARIANA: It's hard for me
to imagine ghost guns aren't
449
00:23:53,932 --> 00:23:56,894
{\an1}having an impact in
America's rising gun violence.
450
00:23:58,479 --> 00:24:02,858
{\an1}The industry is ripe for
exploitation, but a true
451
00:24:02,858 --> 00:24:07,196
{\an1}black market isn't built on
backyard operations.
452
00:24:08,864 --> 00:24:11,617
{\an1}You need to scale up.
453
00:24:12,076 --> 00:24:15,245
{\an1}♪ Hit me, not for fun,
I got to make me a gun ♪
454
00:24:15,913 --> 00:24:19,583
{\an1}♪ Clearly not for fun, I
got to make me a gun ♪
455
00:24:19,583 --> 00:24:22,002
{\an1}MARIANA: And I've heard rumors
that something much bigger is
456
00:24:22,002 --> 00:24:25,964
{\an1}taking place right here,
in the Rocky Mountains.
457
00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:33,889
{\an1}When I started
looking into this story.
458
00:24:33,889 --> 00:24:37,184
{\an1}I didn't ever imagine
that I would end up in Denver.
459
00:24:37,184 --> 00:24:40,020
{\an1}It's not a place that you
think of when you think of
460
00:24:40,020 --> 00:24:42,356
{\an1}guns or gangs.
461
00:24:42,356 --> 00:24:45,651
{\an1}But it might be the center of
an interstate pipeline that
462
00:24:45,651 --> 00:24:51,073
{\an1}proves ghosts guns
are the future of
American gun trafficking.
463
00:24:58,372 --> 00:25:00,708
{\an1}♪ ♪
464
00:25:01,375 --> 00:25:04,837
{\an1}MARIANA: So quite the
setup you have here.
465
00:25:05,254 --> 00:25:08,090
{\an1}And who, these guys
all work with you?
466
00:25:14,054 --> 00:25:16,890
{\an1}MARIANA: Denver isn't my usual
beat, so I had some colleagues
467
00:25:16,890 --> 00:25:18,934
{\an1}connect me with this man.
468
00:25:18,934 --> 00:25:22,730
{\an1}By day, he's the owner of a
retail store that sells toys,
469
00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:25,774
{\an1}T-shirts and custom sneakers,
470
00:25:25,774 --> 00:25:28,444
{\an1}but at night, he runs a
black market business
471
00:25:28,444 --> 00:25:30,779
{\an1}out of the back office.
472
00:25:30,779 --> 00:25:34,491
{\an1}As for the other men in
the room, I'm not so sure.
473
00:25:37,286 --> 00:25:38,287
{\an1}MARIANA: Uh-hmm.
474
00:25:43,709 --> 00:25:45,044
{\an1}MARIANA: A silencer kit?
475
00:25:46,420 --> 00:25:47,671
{\an1}MARIANA: Holy moly.
476
00:25:54,386 --> 00:25:55,929
{\an1}MARIANA: And this is
completely illegal.
477
00:25:57,598 --> 00:25:59,058
{\an1}MARIANA: How did you
come up with this idea?
478
00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:06,482
{\an1}MARIANA: That reason is guns.
479
00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:09,943
{\an1}Getting a ghost gun is easy,
480
00:26:09,943 --> 00:26:13,072
{\an1}but not as easy as I've
been led to believe.
481
00:26:15,032 --> 00:26:18,410
{\an1}California has some
of the country's most
restrictive gun laws.
482
00:26:18,827 --> 00:26:22,122
{\an1}There's all kinds of hardware
that ghost gun companies can't
483
00:26:22,122 --> 00:26:26,835
{\an1}ship into the States, but I saw
those outlawed parts in action.
484
00:26:27,127 --> 00:26:29,088
{\an1}(gunshots)
485
00:26:29,088 --> 00:26:32,424
{\an1}Colorado's laws are looser,
and I suspect criminals are
486
00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:37,179
{\an1}using Denver as a kind of way
station or weapons depot,
487
00:26:37,179 --> 00:26:40,557
{\an1}the nexus of a larger pipeline.
488
00:26:40,849 --> 00:26:43,310
{\an1}And who's buying
this, this from you?
489
00:26:44,937 --> 00:26:46,730
{\an1}Have you sold to criminals?
490
00:26:55,489 --> 00:26:57,533
{\an1}MARIANA: I love how you're
going, you're going in circles
491
00:26:57,533 --> 00:27:00,911
{\an1}and not wanting to tell me
about what the business is.
492
00:27:00,911 --> 00:27:05,749
{\an1}My contacts may be connected to
the pipeline I'm searching for,
493
00:27:05,749 --> 00:27:07,918
{\an1}but with some black
market operators,
494
00:27:07,918 --> 00:27:10,546
{\an1}if you push too far,
they clam up.
495
00:27:20,347 --> 00:27:24,643
{\an1}MARIANA: My line of work
takes trust, but here,
496
00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:28,021
{\an1}I'm a stranger in
a strange town.
497
00:27:30,732 --> 00:27:34,152
{\an1}I reach back out to my
colleagues for another way in.
498
00:27:37,948 --> 00:27:40,158
{\an1}Apparently, he's waiting for
us on the side of the road
499
00:27:40,158 --> 00:27:42,327
{\an1}somewhere here.
500
00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:44,663
{\an1}Yeah, he says
he's here already.
501
00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:46,164
{\an1}Do you guys see him?
502
00:27:46,164 --> 00:27:48,542
{\an1}I don't see anyone.
503
00:27:48,542 --> 00:27:50,335
{\an1}Oh, I think it's
him right here.
504
00:27:50,335 --> 00:27:51,837
{\an1}Yeah.
505
00:27:51,837 --> 00:27:54,506
{\an1}I think this is him.
506
00:27:56,258 --> 00:27:57,342
{\an1}Hi.
507
00:27:57,342 --> 00:27:58,760
{\an1}ABEL: Hello.
MARIANA: How are you?
508
00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,970
{\an1}ABEL: How are you?
509
00:27:59,970 --> 00:28:01,263
{\an1}MARIANA: So nice to
finally meet you.
510
00:28:01,263 --> 00:28:03,599
{\an1}ABEL: Yeah.
How you doing?
511
00:28:06,727 --> 00:28:13,191
{\an1}♪ ♪
512
00:28:17,738 --> 00:28:19,740
{\an1}MARIANA: Who are
we meeting tonight?
513
00:28:19,740 --> 00:28:22,367
{\an1}ABEL: We're going to go
meet a couple of my homies.
514
00:28:22,367 --> 00:28:24,369
{\an1}This is what they do.
515
00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:26,747
{\an1}He has customers that
will blow your mind.
516
00:28:26,747 --> 00:28:28,916
{\an1}MARIANA: Really?
517
00:28:28,916 --> 00:28:30,667
{\an1}His name is Abel.
518
00:28:30,667 --> 00:28:34,421
{\an1}Back in Miami, he was
a gang member who ran
with a violent crew.
519
00:28:35,088 --> 00:28:39,092
{\an1}After spending several years
in jail, Abel moved to Denver,
520
00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:42,471
{\an1}hoping to leave his
criminal past behind,
521
00:28:42,471 --> 00:28:46,391
{\an1}but his connections to the
black market remain strong.
522
00:28:46,391 --> 00:28:51,063
{\an1}And tonight, he's taking me
to meet a gun trafficker.
523
00:28:51,063 --> 00:28:53,023
{\an1}ABEL: Him and his brother,
they're Surenos.
524
00:28:53,023 --> 00:28:54,900
{\an1}MARIANA: Oh, he's a Sureno?
525
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:56,693
{\an1}ABEL: Yeah.
526
00:28:56,693 --> 00:28:59,237
{\an1}MARIANA: So that's a
Mexican cartel, basically?
527
00:28:59,237 --> 00:29:00,781
{\an1}ABEL: Yeah, yeah.
528
00:29:00,781 --> 00:29:02,616
{\an1}MARIANA: That operates.
ABEL: Everywhere.
529
00:29:02,616 --> 00:29:04,076
{\an1}MARIANA: Heavily here
in the U.S., as well.
530
00:29:04,076 --> 00:29:05,619
{\an1}ABEL: Yeah.
531
00:29:05,619 --> 00:29:07,746
{\an1}MARIANA: Though the Surenos
have their strongest presence
532
00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:10,832
{\an1}in Southern California, the
gang is believed to have some
533
00:29:10,832 --> 00:29:14,795
{\an1}30,000 members
spread across 35 states.
534
00:29:15,128 --> 00:29:17,255
{\an1}Are the Surenos big
in Denver right now?
535
00:29:17,255 --> 00:29:19,633
{\an1}ABEL: From what I see, yeah.
536
00:29:20,509 --> 00:29:22,219
{\an1}MARIANA: And why is it?
537
00:29:22,219 --> 00:29:25,347
{\an1}Why do you think there's such
a demand for, for these guns?
538
00:29:25,347 --> 00:29:27,224
{\an1}ABEL: Because people do
a lot of dumb (bleep).
539
00:29:27,224 --> 00:29:30,644
{\an1}And nobody wants to be
held accountable for that.
540
00:29:37,150 --> 00:29:38,610
{\an1}MARIANA: Is that him?
541
00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:42,239
{\an1}ABEL: Yup. That's him.
542
00:29:42,239 --> 00:29:44,491
{\an1}MARIANA: Okay.
That's our guy.
543
00:29:44,491 --> 00:29:46,076
{\an1}It's okay to get out?
544
00:29:46,076 --> 00:29:48,203
{\an1}ABEL: Yeah, yeah.
Let's go.
545
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,918
{\an1}MARIANA: Abel's contact
asked me to call him "Johnny".
546
00:29:54,918 --> 00:29:56,336
{\an1}JOHNNY: Yo.
547
00:29:56,336 --> 00:29:58,213
{\an1}MARIANA: And confirms that
he is, in fact, a Sureno.
548
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,737
{\an1}MARIANA: Do you mind
putting the gun down?
549
00:30:21,737 --> 00:30:23,613
{\an1}Only because we're, it's
making me really nervous.
550
00:30:24,489 --> 00:30:26,742
{\an1}MARIANA: With the light and
people passing but you're not.
551
00:30:26,742 --> 00:30:28,243
{\an1}JOHNNY: Yeah, you're good.
MARIANA: You're okay here?
552
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,039
{\an1}MARIANA: I don't know.
553
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:34,291
{\an1}We're under an underpass
with cars passing, and
I'm getting super nervous.
554
00:30:34,291 --> 00:30:35,917
{\an1}JOHNNY: Yeah. For sure.
555
00:30:38,795 --> 00:30:40,213
{\an1}MARIANA: So this is all 3D.
556
00:30:40,213 --> 00:30:41,256
{\an1}JOHNNY: The plastic, yeah.
Everything.
557
00:30:41,256 --> 00:30:42,549
{\an1}MARIANA: This is all plastic?
558
00:30:44,551 --> 00:30:46,720
{\an1}MARIANA: Oh, wow.
Doesn't look plastic at all.
559
00:30:51,224 --> 00:30:52,434
{\an1}MARIANA: Can I hold it?
560
00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:58,106
{\an1}MARIANA: Wow.
So this is an AR?
561
00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:10,368
{\an1}MARIANA: Really, the
shotguns is what every.
562
00:31:11,661 --> 00:31:14,289
{\an1}MARIANA: Johnny and his
brother print these shotguns
563
00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:17,959
{\an1}for 200 to 300 bucks, then they
sell them for roughly a grand.
564
00:31:18,543 --> 00:31:22,047
{\an1}They use a 3D printer and
order the other parts via
565
00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:25,926
{\an1}80% build kits, just like
Dutch and his buddies.
566
00:31:28,303 --> 00:31:31,306
{\an1}And even though Johnny is
an ex-con who isn't legally
567
00:31:31,306 --> 00:31:33,558
{\an1}permitted to own firearms,
568
00:31:33,558 --> 00:31:37,646
{\an1}the laws around ghost guns
are so easy to outsmart,
569
00:31:38,939 --> 00:31:42,818
{\an1}that Johnny now prints three to
four guns every couple days.
570
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:46,613
{\an1}And where do you get, like,
the, the, the drawings for
571
00:31:46,613 --> 00:31:48,573
{\an1}the, what to print?
572
00:31:48,573 --> 00:31:51,493
{\an1}Where do you think
Johnny gets them from?
573
00:31:51,493 --> 00:31:54,579
{\an1}From Cody Wilson's company,
Defense Distributed.
574
00:32:06,508 --> 00:32:12,889
{\an1}♪ ♪
575
00:32:16,017 --> 00:32:18,687
{\an1}MARIANA: Why do you think
these guns are so popular?
576
00:32:34,411 --> 00:32:38,373
{\an1}MARIANA: Do you think that
the guns you're selling
are being used to kill?
577
00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:39,749
{\an1}JOHNNY: Yeah.
578
00:32:43,879 --> 00:32:47,215
{\an1}MARIANA: These guns aren't
"ending up" in the wrong hands.
579
00:32:47,215 --> 00:32:52,387
{\an1}Those hands are reaching
out to Johnny and he's
eagerly supplying them.
580
00:32:54,222 --> 00:32:55,223
{\an1}MARIANA: You don't?
581
00:32:55,223 --> 00:32:56,600
{\an1}MARIANA: Why not?
582
00:33:00,437 --> 00:33:03,982
{\an1}MARIANA: Johnny isn't just a gun
trafficker, he's a gangster.
583
00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:06,818
{\an1}He was born into the Surenos.
584
00:33:06,818 --> 00:33:10,113
{\an1}His family has been a part
of the gang for generations.
585
00:33:10,488 --> 00:33:14,075
{\an1}But I'm surprised to discover
Johnny actually grew up in LA,
586
00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:18,163
{\an1}mere miles from where I
saw Flaco's operation.
587
00:33:18,163 --> 00:33:22,000
{\an1}So this is a weird question,
but we actually, I know a group
588
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,127
{\an1}that I was filming
with last week in LA,
589
00:33:24,127 --> 00:33:29,132
{\an1}that coincidentally came to
Denver to buy ghost guns.
590
00:33:29,132 --> 00:33:32,469
{\an1}This group, they're
called the (bleep).
591
00:33:33,011 --> 00:33:35,764
{\an1}After talking to Johnny for
a while, I had a hunch that
592
00:33:35,764 --> 00:33:38,516
{\an1}maybe he knew Tiny and Flaco.
593
00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:42,103
{\an1}And when I ask, he tells me
not only does he know them,
594
00:33:42,103 --> 00:33:44,522
{\an1}he, in fact, does
business with them.
595
00:33:44,522 --> 00:33:45,565
{\an1}So they buy guns
from you guys?
596
00:33:49,402 --> 00:33:51,404
{\an1}MARIANA: Wow, that's crazy.
597
00:33:52,697 --> 00:33:53,949
{\an1}MARIANA: Yeah.
It's a small world.
598
00:33:53,949 --> 00:33:55,992
{\an1}I can't believe that.
599
00:33:55,992 --> 00:33:57,202
{\an1}So I guess you guys are the
people to buy guns from if
you're coming to Denver?
600
00:34:00,580 --> 00:34:03,792
{\an1}MARIANA: I'm genuinely shocked
by this trafficking pipeline,
601
00:34:03,792 --> 00:34:08,129
{\an1}one that connects
the Rocky Mountains to
Downtown Los Angeles,
602
00:34:08,129 --> 00:34:12,259
{\an1}arming gang members
all along the way.
603
00:34:12,259 --> 00:34:14,719
{\an1}Johnny says his printing
operation goes even further
604
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,098
{\an1}than that, supplying ghost
guns to the Midwest and
605
00:34:18,098 --> 00:34:21,184
{\an1}even to Mexico's cartels.
606
00:34:21,184 --> 00:34:26,606
{\an1}What about groups, scarier
groups than gangs, even.
607
00:34:26,606 --> 00:34:27,983
{\an1}Like what about, have you?
608
00:34:29,484 --> 00:34:30,860
{\an1}MARIANA: Yeah, yeah.
609
00:34:30,860 --> 00:34:32,070
{\an1}Actually, I wasn't going
to ask that, but have you?
610
00:34:41,371 --> 00:34:42,496
{\an1}MARIANA: Wow!
JOHNNY: Yeah.
611
00:34:46,167 --> 00:34:47,877
{\an1}MARIANA: It's a
frightening admission.
612
00:34:47,877 --> 00:34:52,799
{\an1}One that dovetails perfectly
with something Cody Wilson said.
613
00:34:53,049 --> 00:34:55,176
{\an1}And who are your, who
are your customers?
614
00:34:55,176 --> 00:34:56,636
{\an1}Who's buying this stuff?
615
00:34:56,636 --> 00:34:58,179
{\an1}CODY: It's always hard to
characterize them, but they
616
00:34:58,179 --> 00:35:00,640
{\an1}skew older men, decent
technical experience,
617
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,226
{\an1}maybe there's some military
experience, but in general,
618
00:35:03,226 --> 00:35:06,229
{\an1}that, that sweet spot of that
January 6th rioter, probably.
619
00:35:06,229 --> 00:35:08,440
{\an1}You know, someone like that.
620
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,359
{\an1}(shouting)
621
00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:15,780
{\an1}MARIANA: It's clear to me
now that the entire ghost gun
622
00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:20,160
{\an1}industry is helping create
a violent black market,
623
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,705
{\an1}one that may be spreading
beyond the streets.
624
00:35:26,541 --> 00:35:30,920
{\an1}(gunshots)
625
00:35:41,890 --> 00:35:44,267
{\an1}MARIANA: The number of attacks
by anti-government groups are
626
00:35:44,267 --> 00:35:47,020
{\an1}at the highest
they've been in decades.
627
00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:48,813
{\an1}DUNCAN: Go.
628
00:35:48,813 --> 00:35:51,524
{\an1}MARIANA: Today, there
are some 500 of them
in the United States.
629
00:35:51,524 --> 00:35:54,903
{\an1}With thousands of members.
630
00:35:54,903 --> 00:35:55,904
{\an1}DUNCAN: Set!
631
00:35:55,904 --> 00:35:57,113
{\an1}(gunshot)
632
00:35:57,113 --> 00:35:58,907
{\an1}MARIANA: The ones I've
arranged to meet tonight
633
00:35:58,907 --> 00:36:02,160
{\an1}belong to the Boogaloo Bois.
634
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,204
{\an1}And what is it about
the government that
you don't agree with?
635
00:36:08,291 --> 00:36:11,961
{\an1}MARIANA: The Boogaloo movement
started online in 2010 as a
636
00:36:11,961 --> 00:36:15,882
{\an1}loose collection of extreme
voices preparing for a second
637
00:36:15,882 --> 00:36:19,678
{\an1}civil war, what they
nicknamed "The Boogaloo."
638
00:36:20,553 --> 00:36:24,474
{\an1}But by 2020, members took
their outrage offline and
639
00:36:24,474 --> 00:36:27,811
{\an1}onto the streets, showing up
armed and wearing bright
640
00:36:27,811 --> 00:36:31,940
{\an1}Hawaiian shirts at various
protests across the country.
641
00:36:32,357 --> 00:36:34,401
{\an1}EXPERT (over computer):
They bring guns, they
don't like the police,
642
00:36:34,401 --> 00:36:36,069
{\an1}and they're attracted to chaos.
643
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:38,071
{\an1}MARIANA: Violence
wasn't far behind.
644
00:36:38,071 --> 00:36:39,739
{\an1}REPORTER (over TV): A
self-avowed Boogaloo member.
645
00:36:39,739 --> 00:36:41,241
{\an1}REPORTER (over TV): Fired
what's called a ghost gun.
646
00:36:41,241 --> 00:36:43,576
{\an1}REPORTER (over TV): Connected
to the deaths of two officers.
647
00:36:43,576 --> 00:36:45,620
{\an1}MAN (over TV): They
came to Oakland to kill cops.
648
00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:48,164
{\an1}REPORTER (over TV): A plan
to kidnap Michigan Governor
Gretchen Whitmer.
649
00:36:49,791 --> 00:36:51,710
{\an1}MARIANA: Is there a point that
you guys see that you'll need
650
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:55,255
{\an1}to use your guns against the
government and the police?
651
00:37:04,389 --> 00:37:05,724
{\an1}MARIANA: Are you serious?
652
00:37:08,101 --> 00:37:11,604
{\an1}MARIANA: So, as an American
citizen myself, and being at
653
00:37:11,604 --> 00:37:14,149
{\an1}home that day, and watching
the news, and seeing people
654
00:37:14,149 --> 00:37:18,903
{\an1}attacking our democracy, it
was incredibly shocking and sad.
655
00:37:18,903 --> 00:37:20,780
{\an1}It was a really
sad day for me.
656
00:37:20,780 --> 00:37:24,367
{\an1}PROTESTERS: Treason!
Treason! Treason!
657
00:37:24,701 --> 00:37:26,494
{\an1}MARIANA: So to hear you say
that you want this to happen
658
00:37:26,494 --> 00:37:31,541
{\an1}again with armed people next
time is, is troubling to me.
659
00:37:39,716 --> 00:37:41,718
{\an1}MARIANA: And you would
join the people that were
taking it up a notch?
660
00:37:45,305 --> 00:37:47,807
{\an1}(police officer screaming).
661
00:37:47,807 --> 00:37:50,435
{\an1}MARIANA: All of this
sounds like anarchy.
662
00:37:50,435 --> 00:37:52,812
{\an1}It sounds like America's
criminals have discovered the
663
00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:57,400
{\an1}perfect weapon, one that they
can use against rival gangs,
664
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,654
{\an1}the government, and even
the people closest to us.
665
00:38:16,961 --> 00:38:20,465
{\an1}♪ ♪
666
00:38:20,465 --> 00:38:22,467
{\an1}(gunshots)
667
00:38:22,467 --> 00:38:24,135
{\an1}KEN: You hear gunfire
in a rural area,
668
00:38:24,135 --> 00:38:27,222
{\an1}it's nothing that's new.
669
00:38:28,223 --> 00:38:31,017
{\an1}It's, it's part of
the environment.
670
00:38:31,434 --> 00:38:34,062
{\an1}But there was something about
this one that made it different.
671
00:38:34,062 --> 00:38:38,650
{\an1}(gunshots)
672
00:38:40,652 --> 00:38:43,988
{\an1}MARIANA: It was the morning
of November 14th, 2017.
673
00:38:45,114 --> 00:38:47,951
{\an1}What fourth grade teacher
Ken Yuers didn't know was
674
00:38:47,951 --> 00:38:50,620
{\an1}that by the time he heard
gunfire, the shooter had
675
00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:54,707
{\an1}already murdered his own
wife and two neighbors.
676
00:38:54,958 --> 00:38:56,167
{\an1}OPERATOR (over phone): 911.
677
00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:57,502
{\an1}WOMAN (over phone):
Someone's been shot.
678
00:38:57,502 --> 00:38:59,671
{\an1}MAN (over phone): He shot,
he shot my uncle!
679
00:38:59,671 --> 00:39:00,922
{\an1}MAN (over phone): Initially
we opened the door and he
started shooting at us.
680
00:39:00,922 --> 00:39:02,131
{\an1}MAN (Nver phone): Oh, my God.
681
00:39:02,131 --> 00:39:03,591
{\an1}OPERATOR (over phone):
Which way did he go?
682
00:39:03,591 --> 00:39:06,511
{\an1}MARIANA: And was heading
towards the elementary school.
683
00:39:07,136 --> 00:39:10,682
{\an1}The gunman smashed through
the school's gates and
684
00:39:10,682 --> 00:39:14,686
{\an1}opened fire with a
semi-automatic assault rifle.
685
00:39:15,603 --> 00:39:19,399
{\an1}KEN: My senses were
completely overwhelmed
with what was going down.
686
00:39:19,399 --> 00:39:22,860
{\an1}This is an actual attack on our
school, this guy has an AR-15.
687
00:39:22,860 --> 00:39:24,904
{\an1}I can't even explain it.
688
00:39:24,904 --> 00:39:26,573
{\an1}MAN (over phone): There's
shooting at Rancho Tehama.
689
00:39:26,573 --> 00:39:27,866
{\an1}There's a white
truck ramming the gate.
690
00:39:27,866 --> 00:39:29,450
{\an1}WOMAN (over phone):
All kinds of gunfire.
691
00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:31,411
{\an1}KEN: And then I heard him just
opening up on that quad area.
692
00:39:31,411 --> 00:39:32,829
{\an1}WOMAN (over phone): A bunch
of gunshots are going off,
693
00:39:32,829 --> 00:39:34,330
{\an1}people are yelling "Help!"
694
00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:36,374
{\an1}KEN: You're going through a
shooting, and seconds matter
695
00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:38,626
{\an1}and the police are minutes
away, and not even minutes,
696
00:39:38,626 --> 00:39:41,462
{\an1}I mean 15-20 minutes, it was
such a long time to be at the
697
00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:44,799
{\an1}mercy of a maniac.
698
00:39:44,799 --> 00:39:47,385
{\an1}MARIANA: Six-year-old
Alejandro Hernandez was
699
00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:50,096
{\an1}huddled inside his
kindergarten classroom
700
00:39:50,096 --> 00:39:53,391
{\an1}while the gunman was firing
through the walls and windows.
701
00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:56,060
{\an1}REPORTER (over TV): Opening fir
at seven different locations.
702
00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:58,271
{\an1}REPORTER (over TV):
Semi-automatic rifle in hand.
703
00:39:58,271 --> 00:40:00,732
{\an1}REPORTER (over TV): Fired
at least 30 rounds.
704
00:40:00,732 --> 00:40:03,192
{\an1}MARIANA: Once police
began chasing the shooter,
705
00:40:03,192 --> 00:40:06,529
{\an1}Alejandro's mother received an
urgent call from the school.
706
00:40:07,530 --> 00:40:09,115
{\an1}ANGELICA: First she
told me, "Sit down."
707
00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:11,951
{\an1}And the moment when she told
me to sit down, I, yeah,
708
00:40:11,951 --> 00:40:15,955
{\an1}I knew there was something,
you know, happening.
709
00:40:25,089 --> 00:40:30,720
{\an1}ANGELICA: I got shocked,
it was really hard.
710
00:40:34,891 --> 00:40:39,562
{\an1}MARIANA: I have a son as well,
the same age, and it's,
711
00:40:39,562 --> 00:40:43,608
{\an1}I think, the biggest worry.
712
00:40:43,608 --> 00:40:44,817
{\an1}ANGELICA: Yeah.
713
00:40:44,817 --> 00:40:46,819
{\an1}MARIANA: The most scary
thing for every mom's.
714
00:40:46,819 --> 00:40:49,155
{\an1}ANGELICA: Uh-hmm.
MARIANA: And father's mind.
715
00:40:49,155 --> 00:40:52,909
{\an1}ANGELICA: You never
know when it will happen.
716
00:40:52,909 --> 00:40:56,204
{\an1}MARIANA: Alejandro Hernandez
took two direct hits.
717
00:40:56,204 --> 00:40:58,748
{\an1}Thankfully, he survived.
718
00:40:59,123 --> 00:41:03,211
{\an1}But I didn't come to
Rancho Tehama to learn
more about the murders.
719
00:41:03,211 --> 00:41:06,756
{\an1}I came here to prove a
point about the murder weapon.
720
00:41:08,257 --> 00:41:10,134
{\an1}KEN: I do believe in
the Second Amendment.
721
00:41:10,134 --> 00:41:12,679
{\an1}But I come to find out
later he had been told back in
722
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,098
{\an1}January of 2017,
the judge told him,
723
00:41:15,098 --> 00:41:16,849
{\an1}"You need to turn in
all your weapons."
724
00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:18,059
{\an1}MARIANA: He wasn't
allowed to own a gun?
725
00:41:18,059 --> 00:41:20,853
{\an1}KEN: Correct! He was not
allowed to own a gun.
726
00:41:20,853 --> 00:41:23,564
{\an1}MARIANA: Like the gangsters I
met, the Rancho Tehama gunman
727
00:41:23,564 --> 00:41:27,527
{\an1}wasn't allowed to possess a
firearm, but because gun parts
728
00:41:27,527 --> 00:41:33,241
{\an1}aren't regulated like guns,
he was able to order a
ghost gun online.
729
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:34,867
{\an1}CODY: It's a game.
MARIANA: Uh-hmm.
730
00:41:34,867 --> 00:41:36,577
{\an1}CODY: Why can't I
play this game?
731
00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:39,747
{\an1}MARIANA: If this is in
fact a game, then we're
the ones being played.
732
00:41:39,747 --> 00:41:41,791
{\an1}DISPATCH: Shots fired,
multiple calls coming in.
733
00:41:41,791 --> 00:41:43,626
{\an1}REPORTER (over TV): A shooting
outside a Manhattan night club.
734
00:41:43,626 --> 00:41:44,836
{\an1}MAN: We opened the door and
he started shooting at us.
735
00:41:44,836 --> 00:41:46,587
{\an1}MAN: Hey. We need an
ambulance, immediately.
736
00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:47,839
{\an1}OPERATOR (over phone): How
many shots did you hear?
737
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:48,965
{\an1}WOMAN (over phone):
Like, four or five.
738
00:41:48,965 --> 00:41:50,216
{\an1}MAN: No.
739
00:41:50,216 --> 00:41:54,137
{\an1}(crying)
740
00:41:55,012 --> 00:41:59,225
{\an1}CODY: What we accidentally did
was create the Second Amendment,
741
00:41:59,225 --> 00:42:01,477
{\an1}if it didn't exist beforehand.
742
00:42:01,477 --> 00:42:04,272
{\an1}If there's a right to keep and
bear arms, whatever that means,
743
00:42:04,272 --> 00:42:05,898
{\an1}then you've got it.
744
00:42:05,898 --> 00:42:10,153
{\an1}MARIANA: Sure, but so does
everyone else, and that's not
745
00:42:10,153 --> 00:42:12,864
{\an1}what America's founding
fathers intended.
746
00:42:13,489 --> 00:42:15,992
{\an1}There's a difference between
a free marketplace
747
00:42:15,992 --> 00:42:17,618
{\an1}and a free-for-all.
748
00:42:21,664 --> 00:42:24,125
{\an1}MARIANA: Ironically, it was
the gangsters I met who were
749
00:42:24,125 --> 00:42:27,670
{\an1}the most honest about the impact
of the ghost gun industry.
750
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:29,922
{\an1}Do you think the gun
manufacturers feel threatened
751
00:42:29,922 --> 00:42:32,759
{\an1}at all by the fact that
these are becoming so popular?
752
00:42:46,814 --> 00:42:48,316
{\an1}MARIANA: I couldn't agree more.
753
00:42:48,316 --> 00:42:51,152
{\an1}From what I've seen, ghost
guns are like a black market
754
00:42:51,152 --> 00:42:54,072
{\an1}disguised as a legal one.
755
00:42:54,072 --> 00:42:56,991
{\an1}And that's not
something to cheer.
756
00:42:56,991 --> 00:42:59,619
{\an1}Unless you think guns belong
in the hands of gangsters,
757
00:42:59,619 --> 00:43:01,496
{\an1}underage kids,
758
00:43:01,496 --> 00:43:05,333
{\an1}or extremists trying to
overthrow our government.
759
00:43:05,958 --> 00:43:11,130
{\an1}♪ ♪
760
00:43:13,466 --> 00:43:15,885
{\an1}Do you wish that there
were clearer laws in place?
761
00:43:15,885 --> 00:43:17,345
{\an1}RYAN: Absolutely.
762
00:43:17,345 --> 00:43:19,180
{\an1}I, I think there's certain
people that have lost their
763
00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:20,932
{\an1}privilege to
possess a firearm.
764
00:43:20,932 --> 00:43:22,433
{\an1}POLICE OFFICER:
Search warrant!
765
00:43:22,433 --> 00:43:24,102
{\an1}BIDEN: And today, the United
States Department of Justice
766
00:43:24,102 --> 00:43:25,770
{\an1}is making it illegal.
767
00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:29,982
{\an1}To manufacture one of
these kits without a
serial number, illegal.
768
00:43:30,274 --> 00:43:32,068
{\an1}MARIANA: Though the Biden
administration is attempting
769
00:43:32,068 --> 00:43:35,321
{\an1}to regulate the sale of
at-home build kits,
770
00:43:35,321 --> 00:43:38,282
{\an1}experts fear this won't make
much difference because the
771
00:43:38,282 --> 00:43:42,120
{\an1}parts themselves remain
legal and available.
772
00:43:51,003 --> 00:43:53,714
{\an1}MARIANA: It's time for
Americans to ask themselves.
773
00:43:53,714 --> 00:43:56,134
{\an1}♪ The son of a gun ♪
774
00:43:56,134 --> 00:43:58,845
{\an1}(gunshots)
775
00:43:58,845 --> 00:44:00,721
{\an1}REPORTER (over TV): A shooting
outside a Manhattan night club.
776
00:44:00,721 --> 00:44:04,183
{\an1}WOMAN (over phone): How many
shots did you hear?
777
00:44:04,183 --> 00:44:06,602
{\an1}MARIANA: Is this a
price we're willing to pay?
778
00:44:06,602 --> 00:44:07,854
{\an1}Captioned by
Cotter Media Group.
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