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Kalvon: That night
at the party,
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she left the house,
never came back.
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[ Siren wails ]
Female Reporter:
NeKeisha Hodges-Hawkins
was shot and killed...
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Male Reporter: ...when someone
opened fire on a crowd
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after a birthday party.
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Shockingly,
no one stepped forward
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to identify who shot
and killed NeKeisha.
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It said "Live" on my page,
so I pushed it.
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If I would not do this
for Keisha,
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I would be less than a man.
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It moved a community.
It absolutely did.
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Kalvon, to me, seemed like
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he was not going to stop
until he got an answer.
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I´m gonna get justice.
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♫♫
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♫♫
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♫♫
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Kalvon: We were
a very happy family.
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It was just us,
just the five of us.
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That´s all we needed.
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It was me, Janice, Little Kal,
Kenyatta, and Keisha.
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Keisha always pulled
practical jokes on you,
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but she also was smart.
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That was my heart.
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The kind of father
I think I was,
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I just wanted
to protect my family.
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That´s the only thing
I wanted to do.
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♫♫
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♫♫
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The night of the party,
Kalvon and I were watching TV.
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♫♫
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Kalvon: NeKeisha came out
her room dressed.
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I said, "Where do you think
you going?"
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´Cause I´m seeing the time.
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I´m like, "Where do you think
you´re going?"
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She´s like,
"I´m going to Paw-Paw house."
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I said, "I know you lying."
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♫♫
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And she´s like, "Yes, I am, Dad.
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I´m not lying to you."
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But I felt it.
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I felt it.
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♫♫
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I don´t think she told us
about the party
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because she probably knew her
father wouldn´t want her to go.
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Kalvon is very protective,
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so it´s easier to get permission
to go to a friend´s house
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than it is to get permission
to go to a party.
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♫♫
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Kalvon: She said, "I love you."
I said, "I love you, too."
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But something in my heart,
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when she was going down
them stairs,
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like, "She´s lying.
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You shouldn´t
let her go nowhere."
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She left the house
and never came back.
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♫♫
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The party that we attended
was a birthday party.
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Someone posted about it
on social media.
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That´s probably how a lot
of people ended up there.
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A lot of high schoolers
and classmates,
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people older than me, obviously.
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I was only like 13 at the time.
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Michigan City´s
quite a small town,
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so everybody knows everybody.
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So you knew everybody
who was there.
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When I arrived,
everybody was having fun.
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It was, like,
a stoplight party,
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is what the theme of it was.
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So red lights,
red-colored clothing,
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yellow-colored clothing.
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It seemed super cool.
It was a great environment.
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It wasn´t until
people arrived later
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that the vibe
started to diminish.
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Like, everybody knew
of these people
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or knew these people personally,
so they know that
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normally trouble follows
wherever they go.
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There was a lot less people
dancing and having a good time,
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and everybody´s just, like,
looking over their shoulders.
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There was an altercation
between a couple of girls.
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They started to argue.
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And then the guys who walked in
and gave everybody bad vibes,
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they also started to argue.
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There´s a ton of conflict
that´s happening.
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It´s creating a lot of chaos,
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and no one wanted to be
responsible for the chaos,
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so they make everyone leave.
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Making us leave and disperse
created a bigger chaos
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because now there´s
a mob of people walking around.
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[ Cellphone rings ]
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Kalvon: The phone ring.
It was Keisha.
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And she´s like, "Mom,
can you come pick me up?"
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I´m like, "Where you at?"
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She´s like,
"I came to this party.
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I don´t want to be here.
Can you come pick me up?"
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So, Janice left.
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Kenyatta: The next thing
I remember is
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like eight or nine gunshots
going off.
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[ Gun firing, screaming ]
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You just hear people screaming
at the top of their lungs.
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Something told me
to walk towards the screams.
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I recognized the girl
who was screaming.
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It was my cousin,
and she was just screaming
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at the top of her lungs.
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"They shot her.
They shot her in her head."
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[ Screaming continues ]
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And as I continued to walk
is when I see my sister.
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She was laying on the ground.
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And that´s when I realized
that she --
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she was the one
who had been shot.
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She was still breathing,
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but it was, like,
she was gasping for air.
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And I just knelt down
right beside her.
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And I held her hand,
I held her head.
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♫♫
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[ Siren wailing ]
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Ashley:
Officers were dispatched
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to the area of
Krueger Memorial Hall,
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where they was told that
shots were being fired
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and that there was
possible injuries.
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When officers arrived,
they came to the scene
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and noticed that there was
a juvenile female on the ground.
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Also, they were told
that it´s possible
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another victim that was
on his way to the hospital.
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Janice: When I got there,
there was an ambulance.
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By the ambulance, on the ground,
there was just a white sheet.
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And I knew that she was
under that white sheet,
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so I just went there,
and I moved the sheet,
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and I just stared at her,
and I cried, and I shook my head
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´cause I´m like, "See, I told
you anything can happen."
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And she was --
she was on the ground.
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♫♫
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Then I had to get myself
together so I could call Kalvon
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and tell him
that she had been shot.
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And who wants to make that call?
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Like, that´s the worst call
to have to make ever.
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Kalvon: I´m sitting down, my
phone ring, and it was Janice.
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I picked it up.
She said, "Keisha dead."
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♫♫
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So...
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This girl just left this house.
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I was like, "This is all on me,"
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I said, "Because
I should have stopped her,
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and I knew she was lying."
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♫♫
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♫♫
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NeKeisha used to bake.
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She would bake for holidays.
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She would see me baking.
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And then she wanted
to learn to bake.
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And then she just started
baking cakes on her own.
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When NeKeisha was born,
Kalvon adored her.
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He was scared to hold her.
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She was tiny, so he was like,
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"No, I don´t want to hold her.
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I might break her."
He just kept saying that.
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"I might break her.
I don´t want to do it."
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But he was very cute.
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Kalvon: That was my heart.
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That was our baby.
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Keisha was the main one.
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Like, if she was to go spend
the night at somebody house,
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the house would be quiet with
me, Janice,
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Little Kal, and Yatt.
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But when Keisha come home,
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it was stir crazy.
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Like, Keisha was fun.
Like, she was silly.
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My relationship with my sister
was, like, we were inseparable.
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She was an amazing friend.
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She had a loving spirit,
very empathetic.
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♫♫
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Janice: She was my best friend
´cause she was my first born
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and she was my only daughter.
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We did everything together.
We were very close.
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♫♫
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When I bake, I think of holidays
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and how she would take cakes
to other people´s families
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like her friends´ families.
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So I think of that.
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I enjoy baking
and getting that good memory.
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So baking, it gives me
a little peace.
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♫♫
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Female Reporter:
NeKeisha Hodges-Hawkins
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was shot and killed
during a party in Michigan City.
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Ashley:
Whenever a offense is committed,
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especially in this magnitude,
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the first thing that
police officers would do
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is try to get as much
information as possible.
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It´s pretty much
information gathering.
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So you want to try to get
as much trace evidence
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like a hair, fingerprints,
shell casings,
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anything that can directly
link you to the perpetrator.
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[ Police radio chatter ]
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It´s my understanding that
there was some feuding going on
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between some of
the guys that were there.
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A rivalry between
two groups of teenagers
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from opposite sides of town.
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What contributes to the violence
that plays out in Michigan City?
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It´s the accessibility of
firearms, for one.
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When it´s among young people,
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it´s the fact that circumstances
combine youth and immaturity
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and an undeveloped mind
with a deadly weapon.
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Gang members are not going
to talk to the police.
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Of course, that´s an issue.
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Male Reporter: Dozens of people,
perhaps more than a hundred,
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were here and probably
witnessed the shooting.
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Ashley:
There was, I would say,
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anywhere from 100 to 150
high-school-aged children there.
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I spoke to several people.
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Everything was
sort of convoluted.
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The stories were all over
the place based on
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where they actually were
when the shots rang out.
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One thing kept coming up.
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Cameron Kent,
he was one of the party goers.
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There was witnesses
that came forward
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and said that they actually did
witness him shoot.
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When the party let out,
he actually walked down the hill
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where multiple other
party goers were.
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He pulled out a gun,
and he shot into the air.
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[ Gun firing, screaming ]
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Cameron Kent had been accused
by one of those injured
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who believed Cameron Kent had
been responsible for his injury.
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Ashley: Cameron Kent,
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he´s a person of interest
for us at this point,
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and so we talked
to him extensively,
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and eventually he gave up
where his gun was.
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[ Camera shutter clicking ]
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Cameron was the only person
identified as
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shooting a gun that evening.
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So he was ultimately charged
with NeKeisha´s death.
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Kalvon: Cameron used to come
to our house all the time
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and play with Keisha
and Yatt and little Kal.
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Janice: That night
when she was murdered,
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Cameron came to me and he hugged
me and he said he was sorry.
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And I didn´t think
anything of it
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because I knew that
she and he were friends.
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And then when they said
that he was arrested,
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I´m like, "No way.
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I mean, it couldn´t
have been him."
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Espar: It wasn´t for a period
of perhaps two-and-a-half months
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when the ballistics report
came back
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and a comparison of
the firearm that was recovered
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was compared to the bullet
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that was recovered
from NeKeisha´s body
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and found not to be a match,
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that the weapon that
the young man had that night
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could not have been the weapon
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that claimed
the life of NeKeisha.
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And those charges
were dismissed.
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♫♫
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So that was a pivotal
turning point, obviously,
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in the investigation
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because now you´re looking
for another shooter.
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[ Gun firing, screaming ]
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You wanna cut through here?
Janice: Yeah, we can.
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Y´all go ahead ´cause
I don´t know where I´m going.
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Right where
that purple flower is.
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When Cameron was released,
I told the police,
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"Y´all need to find
who did this."
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Oh, that one
should go in the back.
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Huh?
That big one.
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Kalvon: I just wanted to know
who killed my baby
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and what was going on.
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♫♫
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A parent is not supposed
to bury their child.
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A child is supposed to bury
their parents.
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♫♫
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She ain´t even get to live.
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4 days before
her 18th birthday,
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she get a casket
for her birthday.
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What a present.
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♫♫
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♫♫
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We´re two-and-a-half months
into an investigation
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that had its only lead
turn out to be a dead end
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and wrong, flat-out wrong.
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Law enforcement had to return
to the public.
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But there is a reluctance
from the community
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to get involved
in police investigations
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when violence is the crime.
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They could be
scared of retaliation.
284
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The kids were unwilling
to come forward
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because, you know,
in the Black community,
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they don´t believe in snitching.
287
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Kalvon: The kids´ parents
told them to stay out of it.
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That´s what they did, so they´re
saying nobody would talk.
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And when others aren´t stepping
forward, as far as they know,
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maybe there´s a little bit of,
why should I?
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The decision, I think,
was made that
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until more evidence is developed
and more evidence comes forward,
293
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the case will remain
under investigation
294
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and leads will be followed
as they´re developed.
295
00:14:51,121 --> 00:14:56,601
But, unfortunately, those leads
were not forthcoming.
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Those leads dried up.
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At that time, law enforcement
was back to square one.
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♫♫
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[ Cellphone rings ]
300
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♫♫
301
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Kalvon: Years after,
we was lost, super lost.
302
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I was angry and couldn´t grieve.
303
00:15:22,392 --> 00:15:24,662
Kenyatta: This should have
brought us closer, if anything,
304
00:15:24,655 --> 00:15:28,425
so that we could have each other
to rely on.
305
00:15:28,428 --> 00:15:30,658
But it´s like
it pushed us apart.
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♫♫
307
00:15:32,703 --> 00:15:34,673
My family used to be
like this,
308
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and when she got killed,
it just went like that.
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Just all separate, everything.
310
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So family was dead.
311
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Wasn´t no such thing as family
no more.
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It ruined us.
313
00:15:48,979 --> 00:15:52,279
Kalvon was very depressed,
so he didn´t really talk.
314
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He didn´t really
come out of his room.
315
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I just wanted to just lay there
and wallow in my sorrow.
316
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I just wanted to sleep.
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All I thought about was Keisha.
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Kenyatta: My dad felt like
all hope was lost.
319
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Instead of accepting
and forgiving
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what had already happened,
321
00:16:16,306 --> 00:16:19,046
he dwelled so much on the past.
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´Cause in his mind,
in his heart, he failed us,
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00:16:23,413 --> 00:16:25,563
he failed NeKeisha,
he couldn´t protect her.
324
00:16:25,556 --> 00:16:32,416
He couldn´t save her from what
he had felt all along,
325
00:16:32,422 --> 00:16:35,272
you know, "This is what
I was trying to stop.
326
00:16:35,265 --> 00:16:36,665
That´s why I was so tough.
327
00:16:36,667 --> 00:16:39,997
That´s why I was so,
you know, strict.
328
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,670
Because this very thing
is what I was trying to stop."
329
00:16:43,674 --> 00:16:46,044
And he wasn´t able to stop it.
330
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♫♫
331
00:16:48,478 --> 00:16:51,638
Kenyatta: But he still
had other kids.
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I felt a ton of resentment,
actually.
333
00:16:55,015 --> 00:16:59,285
But seeing my mom being
this fortress, this rock,
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00:16:59,289 --> 00:17:01,649
a woman of strength,
335
00:17:01,652 --> 00:17:03,492
showed me that I need to
make sure that
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I am being a man of strength
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00:17:06,096 --> 00:17:08,756
in being a support system
for my family.
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♫♫
339
00:17:18,539 --> 00:17:27,679
♫♫
340
00:17:27,678 --> 00:17:36,828
♫♫
341
00:17:36,827 --> 00:17:39,057
Stebbins: I was in
my senior year in college
342
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with my first degree.
343
00:17:40,591 --> 00:17:43,791
All of a sudden, somebody makes
a slam page on Facebook.
344
00:17:43,794 --> 00:17:46,744
So, a slam page
is like an anonymous page
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00:17:46,737 --> 00:17:49,737
where people are writing things
about different people,
346
00:17:49,740 --> 00:17:51,700
but you don´t know
who´s putting them up there.
347
00:17:51,702 --> 00:17:53,542
[ Cellphone chimes ]
348
00:17:53,544 --> 00:17:55,514
Kalvon: I just heard "ding,"
349
00:17:55,506 --> 00:17:57,706
then I heard "ding,"
then I heard "ding."
350
00:17:57,708 --> 00:18:00,148
I´m like, "The hell?
Who´s texting me?"
351
00:18:01,181 --> 00:18:04,081
I´m looking at the phone,
I´m like, "Keisha?"
352
00:18:04,084 --> 00:18:05,624
So I start reading.
353
00:18:05,616 --> 00:18:09,086
And they was talking
about her death.
354
00:18:09,089 --> 00:18:12,359
♫♫
355
00:18:12,362 --> 00:18:14,602
Man: And what were
the messages saying?
356
00:18:14,595 --> 00:18:16,765
Um, they was like,
"Y´all need to quit playing.
357
00:18:16,767 --> 00:18:18,867
Y´all know who killed Keisha,"
and all that stuff.
358
00:18:18,869 --> 00:18:20,629
I was like, "Well, hold up.
What?"
359
00:18:20,631 --> 00:18:24,641
♫♫
360
00:18:24,635 --> 00:18:27,105
That´s when they started
dropping, like, names
361
00:18:27,107 --> 00:18:29,177
and, "These clothes were worn,
362
00:18:29,179 --> 00:18:30,809
I know this gun was there,"
363
00:18:30,811 --> 00:18:34,141
kind of giving, like,
"hints" of who killed Keisha.
364
00:18:34,144 --> 00:18:36,294
♫♫
365
00:18:36,286 --> 00:18:37,846
Kalvon: But they was
trying to erase it.
366
00:18:37,848 --> 00:18:41,248
But before they erased it,
someone screenshotted them
367
00:18:41,251 --> 00:18:42,621
and sent it to me.
368
00:18:42,623 --> 00:18:44,353
♫♫
369
00:18:44,354 --> 00:18:45,864
Well, I get up immediately,
370
00:18:45,856 --> 00:18:48,596
and I go to the police station,
and I showed them.
371
00:18:48,599 --> 00:18:50,829
I said, "Look at this."
372
00:18:50,831 --> 00:18:52,661
And they had
no care in the world.
373
00:18:52,663 --> 00:18:54,673
Whatever information
he´s getting, you know,
374
00:18:54,665 --> 00:18:56,805
that is going to be
third-party information.
375
00:18:56,807 --> 00:18:58,907
It´s going to be hearsay.
376
00:18:58,909 --> 00:19:02,609
The police have to find a source
and see what they witness
377
00:19:02,613 --> 00:19:04,823
at the time
that the incident occurs.
378
00:19:06,376 --> 00:19:08,916
Kalvon: The next day, I went
back in the police station.
379
00:19:08,919 --> 00:19:10,649
I said,
"You´re not going to help?"
380
00:19:10,651 --> 00:19:11,881
He said, "What did we tell you?"
381
00:19:11,882 --> 00:19:13,482
I said, "Last warning.
382
00:19:13,483 --> 00:19:15,293
And I´m gonna ask one more time.
383
00:19:15,285 --> 00:19:16,725
You´re not going to help?"
384
00:19:16,727 --> 00:19:18,827
I didn´t know how to do
Facebook Live at all,
385
00:19:18,829 --> 00:19:20,759
because I haven´t been
on Facebook in so long.
386
00:19:20,761 --> 00:19:22,731
Like, I was depressed.
387
00:19:22,733 --> 00:19:26,643
So, it said "Live" on my page,
so I pushed it,
388
00:19:26,637 --> 00:19:29,537
and it said "Three, two, one."
389
00:19:29,540 --> 00:19:30,900
I said, "In Hollywood,
that mean action."
390
00:19:32,172 --> 00:19:33,702
[ Voice breaking ]
I´m going live out here
391
00:19:33,704 --> 00:19:36,384
at the Michigan City
Police Department
392
00:19:36,376 --> 00:19:38,876
trying to get help
for my daughter.
393
00:19:38,879 --> 00:19:41,449
These people won´t help me, man.
394
00:19:41,451 --> 00:19:44,411
These people right here.
395
00:19:44,414 --> 00:19:45,964
I go in here,
396
00:19:45,956 --> 00:19:48,956
they talking about
my daughter´s murder online,
397
00:19:48,959 --> 00:19:50,889
and these police
still won´t help me.
398
00:19:50,891 --> 00:19:52,921
They ran me out of the
police station last night,
399
00:19:52,923 --> 00:19:56,503
told me they can´t
do nothing for me, man.
400
00:19:56,496 --> 00:19:57,926
They killed my daughter
401
00:19:57,928 --> 00:20:00,868
four days before
her [bleep] birthday, man.
402
00:20:00,871 --> 00:20:02,901
I had to bury her
before her 18th birthday.
403
00:20:02,903 --> 00:20:05,443
And these police
will not help me.
404
00:20:05,435 --> 00:20:06,935
I got all the screenshots,
405
00:20:06,937 --> 00:20:09,637
and they still don´t want to do
nothing about it.
406
00:20:13,443 --> 00:20:16,623
I´m not talking to Detective
[Bleep] no more, at all.
407
00:20:16,617 --> 00:20:18,217
´Cause he do not help.
408
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:21,290
Somebody gonna help me.
409
00:20:21,291 --> 00:20:25,561
I learned about the Facebook
Live from a classmate.
410
00:20:25,556 --> 00:20:28,556
I was in school
when this was going on.
411
00:20:28,559 --> 00:20:29,859
And somebody was like,
412
00:20:29,860 --> 00:20:32,460
"Yeah, your dad´s
on Facebook right now."
413
00:20:32,462 --> 00:20:34,232
I´m like, "What are
you talking about?"
414
00:20:34,234 --> 00:20:38,644
I´m gonna stand out here
every single day.
415
00:20:38,639 --> 00:20:40,339
I don´t care.
416
00:20:40,340 --> 00:20:41,570
Kenyatta: That was not
the same person that I knew
417
00:20:41,572 --> 00:20:42,772
a couple weeks ago.
418
00:20:42,773 --> 00:20:44,653
Somebody gonna help me.
419
00:20:44,645 --> 00:20:46,945
They talking about my
daughter´s murder online, man.
420
00:20:46,947 --> 00:20:50,447
Live, direct,
and they think it´s a joke.
421
00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:53,480
For him to, like, one minute
just be in his room,
422
00:20:53,483 --> 00:20:55,333
it´s super dark in there,
423
00:20:55,325 --> 00:21:01,255
to, like, now marching,
being outside, speaking more,
424
00:21:01,261 --> 00:21:05,341
actually showing emotional,
like, energy,
425
00:21:05,335 --> 00:21:07,295
it was amazing.
426
00:21:07,297 --> 00:21:09,367
This is crazy, man.
427
00:21:09,369 --> 00:21:11,599
And I´m gonna keep
my camera rolling.
428
00:21:12,903 --> 00:21:15,653
Janice: I was excited that
he found the strength
429
00:21:15,646 --> 00:21:18,346
to get up and fight.
430
00:21:18,348 --> 00:21:20,808
It´s ridiculous.
431
00:21:20,811 --> 00:21:22,381
Brother can´t sleep.
432
00:21:22,382 --> 00:21:23,752
I can´t even work.
433
00:21:23,754 --> 00:21:25,824
This is [bleep]
434
00:21:25,816 --> 00:21:27,516
But I was scared because,
435
00:21:27,518 --> 00:21:29,558
"Okay, you are messing with
the police."
436
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,760
But I´m like, "Okay, well, maybe
this is gonna go somewhere."
437
00:21:32,763 --> 00:21:34,023
Man: We´re here for you,
brother.
[ Car horn honks ]
438
00:21:34,024 --> 00:21:36,774
Alright, bro.
Appreciate you, man.
439
00:21:36,767 --> 00:21:39,767
♫♫
440
00:21:39,770 --> 00:21:42,700
It went from me going
to the police station
441
00:21:42,703 --> 00:21:44,543
all the time by myself
442
00:21:44,535 --> 00:21:48,835
to 85,000 people
watching it live.
443
00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:52,739
They was hitting our phones
from Dubai and everywhere.
444
00:21:52,743 --> 00:21:56,493
Over 150 kids see
my daughter get killed,
445
00:21:56,486 --> 00:21:59,846
and their punk-ass parents
take them down there
446
00:21:59,850 --> 00:22:02,650
and tell them
not to say nothing.
447
00:22:02,653 --> 00:22:05,033
But what if it was
your [bleep] kid?
448
00:22:05,025 --> 00:22:09,455
I had to bury my daughter
on her 18th [bleep] birthday.
449
00:22:09,459 --> 00:22:10,729
Somebody gonna help me.
450
00:22:10,731 --> 00:22:12,531
People are, like,
actually responding,
451
00:22:12,533 --> 00:22:14,673
they´re wanting to help
and everything else,
452
00:22:14,665 --> 00:22:17,335
and I´m like, "This has to
do something, right?"
453
00:22:17,337 --> 00:22:22,507
♫♫
454
00:22:22,513 --> 00:22:24,343
I couldn´t even cry
when I seen my daughter
455
00:22:24,344 --> 00:22:25,824
with that hole in her head.
456
00:22:25,816 --> 00:22:28,846
I couldn´t even cry when
I seen my goddamn daughter
457
00:22:28,849 --> 00:22:30,849
laying in the [bleep] casket.
458
00:22:30,851 --> 00:22:32,951
I ain´t cried for a long time.
459
00:22:32,953 --> 00:22:36,663
But yesterday,
all that [bleep] on Facebook,
460
00:22:36,657 --> 00:22:38,657
now, that [bleep]
made me cry, man.
461
00:22:38,659 --> 00:22:41,559
That done opened up
the [bleep] wound again.
462
00:22:41,562 --> 00:22:43,832
While I´m ranting and raving
and going off,
463
00:22:43,834 --> 00:22:45,644
and the next thing I know,
464
00:22:45,636 --> 00:22:47,366
the whole front
of the police department
465
00:22:47,367 --> 00:22:49,097
was filled with people.
466
00:22:49,099 --> 00:22:51,439
I got people out here
supporting me.
[ Car horn honking ]
467
00:22:51,441 --> 00:22:54,441
It moved a community.
It absolutely did.
468
00:22:54,444 --> 00:22:57,384
And it was a remarkable thing
469
00:22:57,377 --> 00:23:00,947
to see groups assembling
outside the police station
470
00:23:00,951 --> 00:23:04,081
in an effort
to call out for justice,
471
00:23:04,084 --> 00:23:08,094
for a more thorough
investigation,
472
00:23:08,088 --> 00:23:12,858
to breathe life into a case
that had gone cold.
473
00:23:12,863 --> 00:23:15,733
Y´all just don´t know the pain
this [bleep] is.
474
00:23:15,726 --> 00:23:18,026
Can´t sleep at nighttime.
475
00:23:18,028 --> 00:23:20,128
When you finally close
your [bleep] eyes,
476
00:23:20,130 --> 00:23:21,870
you see your daughter
laying on the ground
477
00:23:21,872 --> 00:23:23,772
and they covering her up.
478
00:23:23,774 --> 00:23:25,144
And she´s screaming,
"Dad, help!"
479
00:23:25,135 --> 00:23:27,005
Help with what?
480
00:23:27,007 --> 00:23:29,577
How can I help?
So I know how I´mma help.
481
00:23:29,580 --> 00:23:31,610
I´mma come down here
and try to get justice.
482
00:23:31,612 --> 00:23:36,722
Matter of fact, I´m sorry,
I´m gonna get justice.
483
00:23:36,717 --> 00:23:38,547
There´s no way they´re gonna
sweep this under the rug.
484
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:40,049
There´s no way
they´re gonna be able to.
485
00:23:40,050 --> 00:23:42,420
Too many people are asking
too many questions now.
486
00:23:43,453 --> 00:23:45,733
Well, here y´all go.
487
00:23:45,726 --> 00:23:49,856
Somebody with South Bend News
said they on they way [scoffs]
488
00:23:49,860 --> 00:23:51,730
and I´mma tell it all.
489
00:23:54,034 --> 00:23:56,114
In 2016,
I was fresh out of college.
490
00:23:56,106 --> 00:23:58,966
I was at my first reporting job.
491
00:23:58,969 --> 00:24:02,469
I remember seeing
Kalvon´s Facebook Live.
492
00:24:02,472 --> 00:24:05,452
There was so much
raw emotion there
493
00:24:05,445 --> 00:24:09,475
and grief and sorrow and anger.
494
00:24:09,479 --> 00:24:11,749
And I wanted to talk to him.
495
00:24:11,752 --> 00:24:13,222
My news director
at the time said,
496
00:24:13,223 --> 00:24:15,063
"If you really want to do this,
go an hour away
497
00:24:15,055 --> 00:24:17,125
and just get back in time
to get it on air."
498
00:24:17,127 --> 00:24:19,927
Every day, you and I click
through our Twitter feeds,
499
00:24:19,930 --> 00:24:22,890
scroll on Facebook,
or post photos on Instagram.
500
00:24:22,893 --> 00:24:26,173
In some cases, social media
is giving victims a voice.
501
00:24:26,166 --> 00:24:30,536
NeKeisha died at Krueger
Memorial Park in Michigan City.
502
00:24:30,541 --> 00:24:32,841
Five years of no answers,
503
00:24:32,843 --> 00:24:36,083
her dad always wondering
who killed his daughter.
504
00:24:36,076 --> 00:24:37,976
They was like,
"There´s nothing we can do,"
505
00:24:37,978 --> 00:24:41,248
so I went outside and found out
how to go live on Facebook.
506
00:24:41,251 --> 00:24:43,511
Schultz: That video went viral.
507
00:24:43,514 --> 00:24:45,794
It´s online.
They talking about it.
508
00:24:45,786 --> 00:24:49,916
Kalvon, to me, seemed like
he was not going to stop
509
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,490
until they got an answer.
510
00:24:51,491 --> 00:24:53,761
And I don´t think he can
think of anything else
511
00:24:53,764 --> 00:24:55,104
besides NeKeisha
512
00:24:55,095 --> 00:24:57,595
and besides what
was happening with her case.
513
00:24:57,598 --> 00:24:59,228
I´m a proud father,
514
00:24:59,229 --> 00:25:02,069
and if I would not do this
for Keisha,
515
00:25:02,072 --> 00:25:04,712
I would be less than a man.
516
00:25:04,705 --> 00:25:07,005
Only thing I want is some help.
517
00:25:07,007 --> 00:25:10,277
Period. Point blank. Help me.
518
00:25:11,512 --> 00:25:12,812
[ Voice breaking ]
That´s all I ask,
519
00:25:12,813 --> 00:25:15,823
is for some [bleep] help.
520
00:25:15,816 --> 00:25:17,646
I want some help.
521
00:25:17,648 --> 00:25:22,748
Social media proved to be
a very valuable tool.
522
00:25:22,753 --> 00:25:24,533
Good morning, Facebook.
523
00:25:26,727 --> 00:25:27,957
I´m at it again.
524
00:25:27,958 --> 00:25:31,258
I got people
coming from the La Porte
525
00:25:31,261 --> 00:25:33,561
and everywhere else helping.
526
00:25:33,564 --> 00:25:35,544
Well, my daughter got killed.
527
00:25:35,536 --> 00:25:37,606
This is going out
to my daughter´s killer.
528
00:25:37,608 --> 00:25:39,938
While y´all out there
playing checkers,
529
00:25:39,940 --> 00:25:42,010
I´m playing chess.
530
00:25:42,012 --> 00:25:43,872
Sooner or later,
I´mma get my justice,
531
00:25:43,874 --> 00:25:45,084
and that´s gonna be checkmate.
532
00:25:45,075 --> 00:25:47,175
It led to the chief at the time
533
00:25:47,177 --> 00:25:51,147
to task new detectives
with the case.
534
00:25:51,151 --> 00:25:53,081
This is why we´re having
this rally today,
535
00:25:53,083 --> 00:25:55,263
because we need eyewitnesses.
536
00:25:55,255 --> 00:25:59,755
We need people to come forward
and say, "I was there."
537
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,030
You may have been young
back then, and I get it.
538
00:26:04,034 --> 00:26:06,244
You´re a little older now,
a little stronger now.
539
00:26:06,236 --> 00:26:08,996
Do you think you can give
Detective Ashley,
540
00:26:08,999 --> 00:26:13,339
Detective Painter, some
information about what happened?
541
00:26:13,343 --> 00:26:16,253
Jillian Ashley and Anna Painter,
542
00:26:16,246 --> 00:26:18,746
they did what needed
to be done --
543
00:26:18,749 --> 00:26:22,979
not pick up where
the investigation left off,
544
00:26:22,983 --> 00:26:25,623
but started over.
545
00:26:25,616 --> 00:26:28,256
Ashley:
I´ve never done that before,
where I actually took a case
546
00:26:28,258 --> 00:26:31,258
and just said,
"Let´s start over."
547
00:26:31,261 --> 00:26:32,961
And along with
Detective Painter,
548
00:26:32,963 --> 00:26:36,333
we decided to just
pull out case files.
549
00:26:36,326 --> 00:26:38,896
What I pulled out
from this case file --
550
00:26:38,899 --> 00:26:41,799
all of the evidence that was
actually collected in 2011.
551
00:26:41,802 --> 00:26:45,142
So, this right here,
and I can feel the weight of it,
552
00:26:45,135 --> 00:26:47,635
and this is
the automatic pistol.
553
00:26:47,638 --> 00:26:49,308
And it says here
554
00:26:49,309 --> 00:26:53,839
"A small, multicolored, black,
brown semi-automatic pistol."
555
00:26:53,844 --> 00:26:56,694
And then it compared
its serial number on it.
556
00:26:56,687 --> 00:27:00,087
And it said,
"Collected from Cameron Kent."
557
00:27:02,222 --> 00:27:03,892
Can you see that?
558
00:27:03,894 --> 00:27:06,204
Our thought process
was starting afresh.
559
00:27:06,196 --> 00:27:08,356
For us, it was taking
each person´s statement,
560
00:27:08,358 --> 00:27:10,698
and I think it was
like over 140,
561
00:27:10,701 --> 00:27:12,961
and just re-listening to them.
562
00:27:15,836 --> 00:27:22,166
This is a bunch of interviews
of all of the ones who were
563
00:27:22,172 --> 00:27:24,752
interviewed back in 2011.
564
00:27:24,745 --> 00:27:27,075
We tried to re-interview
just about everybody
565
00:27:27,077 --> 00:27:29,247
that was actually on scene.
566
00:27:29,249 --> 00:27:32,779
At the time of
the investigation in 2011,
567
00:27:32,783 --> 00:27:34,383
there was two witnesses,
568
00:27:34,384 --> 00:27:37,794
Skyiesha Pender
and Michael Cooper.
569
00:27:37,788 --> 00:27:41,228
Michael Cooper pinpointed
who the shooter was.
570
00:27:41,231 --> 00:27:44,191
♫♫
571
00:27:44,194 --> 00:27:46,904
Michael Cooper
came forward to say,
572
00:27:46,897 --> 00:27:49,737
"I have information
about her death,
573
00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:51,300
about who was responsible.
574
00:27:51,301 --> 00:27:55,351
It was a young man
whose name is Charles Gerron.
575
00:27:55,345 --> 00:27:56,845
He had a gun that night.
576
00:27:56,847 --> 00:27:59,107
I saw him shoot into the crowd.
577
00:27:59,109 --> 00:28:01,809
And he is the one
that´s responsible for
578
00:28:01,812 --> 00:28:03,112
NeKeisha´s death."
579
00:28:03,113 --> 00:28:04,893
Ashley:
But Michael Cooper´s statement
580
00:28:04,885 --> 00:28:08,255
was not corroborated
at the time.
581
00:28:08,258 --> 00:28:12,358
Charles Gerron was not somebody
that was unknown to police.
582
00:28:12,362 --> 00:28:15,032
There was previous law
enforcement encounters with him,
583
00:28:15,025 --> 00:28:16,825
even at the young age of 16.
584
00:28:16,827 --> 00:28:19,427
And Skyiesha Pender
was at the party.
585
00:28:19,429 --> 00:28:22,229
She heard the shots being fired,
586
00:28:22,232 --> 00:28:24,712
but then she didn´t give
any more real information
587
00:28:24,705 --> 00:28:25,905
that could be useful.
588
00:28:25,906 --> 00:28:31,876
♫♫
589
00:28:31,882 --> 00:28:34,142
In 2016, Skyiesha Pender
590
00:28:34,144 --> 00:28:36,094
gave that same statement
who she was with,
591
00:28:36,086 --> 00:28:38,386
but then trying to get her
to talk from there
592
00:28:38,388 --> 00:28:40,148
was a little challenging
at first,
593
00:28:40,150 --> 00:28:42,750
but when she began to
actually talk,
594
00:28:42,753 --> 00:28:45,263
she gave a very,
very useful statement.
595
00:28:46,256 --> 00:28:49,196
In 2011,
she was in a relationship
596
00:28:49,199 --> 00:28:51,459
with Charles Gerron.
597
00:28:51,461 --> 00:28:54,741
She said that
she was at the party
598
00:28:54,735 --> 00:28:57,235
and that he showed up
at the party,
599
00:28:57,237 --> 00:28:59,837
and that after
the party broke up,
600
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,370
50 to 75, 100 kids left
601
00:29:03,373 --> 00:29:05,953
and poured out
into the parking lot
602
00:29:05,946 --> 00:29:08,746
and into the street
and down the street.
603
00:29:08,749 --> 00:29:10,119
And she said she heard the sound
604
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,520
of what she thought
were firecrackers
605
00:29:12,523 --> 00:29:15,233
at a distance, down the hill,
606
00:29:15,225 --> 00:29:20,285
followed by three loud,
close sounds of gunfire
607
00:29:20,290 --> 00:29:25,140
that she looked directly at
and saw Charles Gerron
608
00:29:25,135 --> 00:29:28,495
shooting into the crowd
down the hill,
609
00:29:28,498 --> 00:29:32,168
and then turn and run
the other direction.
610
00:29:32,172 --> 00:29:34,272
[ Camera shutter clicking ]
611
00:29:34,274 --> 00:29:36,784
She recalled him
calling her afterwards.
612
00:29:36,777 --> 00:29:38,977
She remembered just telling him
it was over.
613
00:29:38,979 --> 00:29:40,979
And at that moment,
614
00:29:40,981 --> 00:29:46,391
the investigation had
what it didn´t have before,
615
00:29:46,386 --> 00:29:50,016
which was
a corroborating witness
616
00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:52,360
to another witness´ testimony.
617
00:29:52,362 --> 00:29:59,532
♫♫
618
00:29:59,530 --> 00:30:02,370
Ashley: So, after Skyiesha
gave us a statement,
619
00:30:02,372 --> 00:30:05,482
we had enough to get
an arrest warrant for Charles.
620
00:30:06,837 --> 00:30:12,007
Although we lacked the kind of
evidence that we desire,
621
00:30:12,012 --> 00:30:15,392
that being some other
physical evidence in the case --
622
00:30:15,385 --> 00:30:16,985
get the gun,
623
00:30:16,987 --> 00:30:21,117
something physical
to tie him to the crime --
624
00:30:21,121 --> 00:30:22,491
we didn´t have that,
625
00:30:22,492 --> 00:30:26,462
but I knew we had
great testimonial evidence.
626
00:30:26,456 --> 00:30:30,026
We had two people whose
statements are being provided
627
00:30:30,030 --> 00:30:32,300
independent of each other.
628
00:30:32,302 --> 00:30:34,132
And for that reason,
629
00:30:34,134 --> 00:30:37,014
charges were filed
for the crime of murder.
630
00:30:37,007 --> 00:30:39,837
♫♫
631
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,870
Hey, you guys,
Jessi Schultz here with WSBT.
632
00:30:41,872 --> 00:30:43,372
I´m in Michigan City today.
633
00:30:43,373 --> 00:30:45,553
I´m actually right in front
of the police station
634
00:30:45,546 --> 00:30:48,176
because an arrest
has finally been made
635
00:30:48,178 --> 00:30:50,218
in the NeKeisha Hodges-Hawkins
case.
636
00:30:50,220 --> 00:30:52,280
I couldn´t believe
that they found someone,
637
00:30:52,282 --> 00:30:55,492
and that it only took a month
after his Facebook Live.
638
00:30:55,485 --> 00:30:58,525
I´d like to thank every seven --
639
00:30:58,529 --> 00:31:02,429
all y´all,
the 17,000-plus viewers
640
00:31:02,432 --> 00:31:06,202
that shared this story
to get some help for us.
641
00:31:06,196 --> 00:31:08,896
So, I spoke with
NeKeisha´s parents today,
642
00:31:08,899 --> 00:31:11,639
who told me that they just
have had a weight
643
00:31:11,642 --> 00:31:13,602
lifted off of their shoulders.
644
00:31:13,604 --> 00:31:16,584
Her father actually told me that
last night was the first night
645
00:31:16,577 --> 00:31:19,247
that he´s had a full night
of sleep in five years.
646
00:31:19,249 --> 00:31:24,959
For them to say that
they made an arrest today...
647
00:31:24,955 --> 00:31:29,385
Best Christmas present
you could ever expect.
648
00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:30,919
Charles and them,
they used to shoot
649
00:31:30,921 --> 00:31:32,491
over out here all the time.
650
00:31:32,492 --> 00:31:33,622
They were bad.
651
00:31:33,624 --> 00:31:36,174
They used to run around and
652
00:31:36,166 --> 00:31:38,296
shoot and terrorize
the community.
653
00:31:38,298 --> 00:31:40,968
Like, people in the community
were scared of them.
654
00:31:40,971 --> 00:31:44,231
That´s probably why they were
reluctant to come forward.
655
00:31:45,536 --> 00:31:47,106
Ashley: Just because
you have an arrest,
656
00:31:47,107 --> 00:31:48,607
that does not mean a conviction.
657
00:31:48,609 --> 00:31:51,009
So an arrest itself is great.
658
00:31:51,011 --> 00:31:52,241
But now you want to see it
659
00:31:52,242 --> 00:31:53,982
actually go through
the court system,
660
00:31:53,984 --> 00:31:55,094
and how does that turn out?
661
00:31:55,085 --> 00:31:57,345
♫♫
662
00:31:57,347 --> 00:32:00,647
Espar: When the two detectives
went out to where
663
00:32:00,651 --> 00:32:03,451
Michael Cooper
was now living and working
664
00:32:03,453 --> 00:32:06,963
and let him know that
the case had been charged,
665
00:32:06,957 --> 00:32:10,657
they were not prepared for
the conversation that followed.
666
00:32:12,002 --> 00:32:13,432
Ashley: He was really reserved.
667
00:32:13,433 --> 00:32:15,473
He said,
"I don´t remember a lot."
668
00:32:15,465 --> 00:32:19,305
That´s just a way of saying,
"I don´t want to be involved."
669
00:32:19,309 --> 00:32:22,639
Espar: Michael recanted
his previous statement,
670
00:32:22,643 --> 00:32:25,183
denied that that truly happened.
671
00:32:26,547 --> 00:32:28,677
He said that, "I made it up.
672
00:32:28,679 --> 00:32:32,449
I told the investigators
what they wanted to hear.
673
00:32:32,452 --> 00:32:34,732
I told you what happened
five-and-a-half years ago.
674
00:32:34,725 --> 00:32:39,685
You didn´t think what I had
to say was strong enough.
675
00:32:39,690 --> 00:32:42,160
Don´t bother me now.
I´ve moved on."
676
00:32:43,363 --> 00:32:45,443
And so the detectives came back
677
00:32:45,435 --> 00:32:48,295
to the two assigned prosecutors
in the case
678
00:32:48,298 --> 00:32:51,198
to say, "We´ve got a problem."
679
00:32:51,201 --> 00:32:54,511
The loss of
a corroborating witness
680
00:32:54,505 --> 00:32:57,475
was devastating at the time
to my deputies.
681
00:32:57,477 --> 00:32:59,507
It was, in their mind,
682
00:32:59,510 --> 00:33:02,480
a case that couldn´t be proven
at trial.
683
00:33:02,482 --> 00:33:07,062
That one witness, uncorroborated
by any other witness,
684
00:33:07,057 --> 00:33:10,757
who didn´t share her truth
for five-and-a-half years,
685
00:33:10,761 --> 00:33:12,391
just wasn´t going to be enough.
686
00:33:12,392 --> 00:33:13,762
And I understood that.
687
00:33:15,365 --> 00:33:19,625
That´s where this
turn of events had taken us,
688
00:33:19,630 --> 00:33:22,070
essentially
back to the beginning.
689
00:33:22,072 --> 00:33:24,372
[ Camera shutter clicking ]
690
00:33:24,374 --> 00:33:27,614
We´re then forced to
engage in a conversation
691
00:33:27,608 --> 00:33:30,208
that the defense
were looking for
692
00:33:30,210 --> 00:33:33,440
and talking about a crime
far less serious
693
00:33:33,443 --> 00:33:35,493
than the crime of murder.
694
00:33:35,485 --> 00:33:38,515
♫♫
695
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:41,319
Do we strike the plea agreement?
696
00:33:41,321 --> 00:33:47,031
Do we dismiss the case and wait
for more evidence to develop,
697
00:33:47,027 --> 00:33:49,057
other witnesses to come forward?
698
00:33:49,059 --> 00:33:51,029
Perhaps we´ll recover the gun
699
00:33:51,031 --> 00:33:55,041
that in five-and-a-half years
had never been found.
700
00:33:55,035 --> 00:34:01,505
The decision was made for a plea
to criminal recklessness.
701
00:34:01,512 --> 00:34:05,122
It was the crime that
they thought they could prove.
702
00:34:05,115 --> 00:34:06,645
Ashley: Kalvon told me,
703
00:34:06,647 --> 00:34:08,417
and said, "They´re trying
to do a plea deal."
704
00:34:08,418 --> 00:34:10,418
And that was
really shocking to me
705
00:34:10,420 --> 00:34:12,250
because once
I presented that case,
706
00:34:12,252 --> 00:34:16,562
I felt we had enough to be able
to prosecute successfully.
707
00:34:16,557 --> 00:34:19,327
As an investigator, we never
really want anything pled out,
708
00:34:19,329 --> 00:34:20,629
because we understand that
that means
709
00:34:20,631 --> 00:34:22,831
that the suspect
is not going to get
710
00:34:22,833 --> 00:34:26,203
what we believe
the suspect deserves.
711
00:34:26,196 --> 00:34:28,136
I´m sure that the family
felt the same way.
712
00:34:28,138 --> 00:34:30,498
[ Exhales sharply ]
713
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:32,740
They talk about some
[bleep] justice.
714
00:34:34,545 --> 00:34:37,205
They play with us
for five-and-a-half years.
715
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:41,149
It´s like my baby´s life
ain´t worth [bleep]
716
00:34:43,313 --> 00:34:46,663
This [bleep] ain´t over
till I say it´s over, man.
717
00:34:46,657 --> 00:34:50,257
♫♫
718
00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:52,590
Schultz: Justice --
It´s written on the walls
719
00:34:52,593 --> 00:34:55,203
of the La Porte County
Courthouse in Michigan City.
720
00:34:55,195 --> 00:34:57,765
But it´s something that
NeKeisha Hodges-Hawkins´ dad
721
00:34:57,768 --> 00:35:00,328
is scared his daughter
will never get.
722
00:35:00,330 --> 00:35:02,130
My daughter ain´t fittin´
to die in vain,
723
00:35:02,132 --> 00:35:03,602
and she ain´t fittin´ to be
no statistic,
724
00:35:03,604 --> 00:35:05,214
I guarantee you that.
725
00:35:05,205 --> 00:35:06,505
Schultz:
Hawkins and his family
726
00:35:06,507 --> 00:35:08,707
thought their agony
was almost over,
727
00:35:08,709 --> 00:35:10,539
but Gerron entered a guilty plea
728
00:35:10,541 --> 00:35:13,741
to a lesser charge of criminal
recklessness this week.
729
00:35:13,744 --> 00:35:15,724
Hawkins says
his fight for justice,
730
00:35:15,716 --> 00:35:18,846
the fight he thought
would finally come to an end,
731
00:35:18,849 --> 00:35:20,719
is now far from over.
732
00:35:20,721 --> 00:35:24,321
There´s no reason
why my daughter´s murder
733
00:35:24,324 --> 00:35:26,404
should be unsolved,
734
00:35:26,396 --> 00:35:30,256
and 100 to 150 people
seen her get killed.
735
00:35:31,902 --> 00:35:35,872
Kalvon and family and support
within the community
736
00:35:35,866 --> 00:35:40,736
called for the court
to reject the plea agreement
737
00:35:40,741 --> 00:35:43,341
and to let us take
our chances at trial.
738
00:35:44,745 --> 00:35:47,815
The judge did not accept
the plea agreement,
739
00:35:47,818 --> 00:35:52,618
and as was my decision,
we did not dismiss the case
740
00:35:52,623 --> 00:35:55,663
and await more evidence.
741
00:35:55,656 --> 00:36:00,486
It was going to be a tall order
to convince a jury
742
00:36:00,490 --> 00:36:02,660
with only one witness.
743
00:36:02,663 --> 00:36:04,773
But it could be enough.
744
00:36:10,541 --> 00:36:13,501
♫♫
745
00:36:13,504 --> 00:36:15,784
Espar: The most pressing need
to prove this case
746
00:36:15,776 --> 00:36:18,806
was to meet with Michael Cooper,
747
00:36:18,809 --> 00:36:24,379
the other strong witness who had
given the statement in 2011.
748
00:36:24,384 --> 00:36:31,524
So we subpoenaed him to produce
himself for an interview.
749
00:36:31,522 --> 00:36:34,732
So Michael was ordered
to show up in Indiana,
750
00:36:34,725 --> 00:36:36,665
and he didn´t.
751
00:36:36,667 --> 00:36:39,697
How we got him to come around
was unconventional,
752
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:41,670
but it was necessary.
753
00:36:41,672 --> 00:36:45,642
We was able to detain him
on something really minor
754
00:36:45,636 --> 00:36:48,376
and bring him back to Indiana.
755
00:36:48,378 --> 00:36:51,738
Once he was actually in Indiana,
we went to speak with him.
756
00:36:51,742 --> 00:36:54,822
♫♫
757
00:36:54,815 --> 00:36:57,215
Espar:
When I sat down with him,
758
00:36:57,217 --> 00:36:58,917
I said, "I´ve seen
your statement.
759
00:36:58,919 --> 00:37:02,219
I know what you said
five-and-a-half years ago.
760
00:37:02,222 --> 00:37:06,702
I think I know
what you must be thinking --
761
00:37:06,697 --> 00:37:10,297
That you told what you knew,
nobody listened,
762
00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:12,430
nobody believed you,
763
00:37:12,432 --> 00:37:16,642
because nobody did
anything about it.
764
00:37:16,637 --> 00:37:18,837
But we´re here
and we believe you.
765
00:37:18,839 --> 00:37:21,869
And we´d like to have
that conversation with you."
766
00:37:21,872 --> 00:37:25,482
In that process,
he decided, "I´ll do it."
767
00:37:25,475 --> 00:37:26,975
He´ll talk.
768
00:37:26,977 --> 00:37:29,317
Espar: He told us about
what he saw that night
769
00:37:29,319 --> 00:37:33,949
and what he knew about the death
of NeKeisha and who killed her.
770
00:37:35,756 --> 00:37:39,626
But the case still needed
physical evidence
771
00:37:39,630 --> 00:37:42,890
that may tie Charles Gerron
to the crime.
772
00:37:42,893 --> 00:37:48,043
♫♫
773
00:37:48,038 --> 00:37:51,798
We never had
the strongest of cases.
774
00:37:51,802 --> 00:37:55,012
One of the problems in the case
775
00:37:55,005 --> 00:37:58,875
was that the shooter
was identified
776
00:37:58,879 --> 00:38:02,909
as wearing a plaid
or checkered shirt,
777
00:38:02,913 --> 00:38:06,463
but the defendant didn´t
have that clothing on
778
00:38:06,456 --> 00:38:08,916
that July evening in 2011
779
00:38:08,919 --> 00:38:12,489
when he was being interviewed
by law enforcement.
780
00:38:12,492 --> 00:38:14,492
Ashley: His initial interview
in 2011,
781
00:38:14,494 --> 00:38:19,634
I remember him coming
in a bright green outfit.
782
00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:21,930
Really noticeably green.
783
00:38:21,932 --> 00:38:25,612
We learned of some
very good evidence
784
00:38:25,606 --> 00:38:27,676
in the preparations for trial.
785
00:38:27,678 --> 00:38:32,338
I´ll never forget it. This was
Friday before a Monday trial.
786
00:38:32,342 --> 00:38:35,922
♫♫
787
00:38:35,916 --> 00:38:39,086
As we were preparing
the case for trial
788
00:38:39,089 --> 00:38:43,789
and I´m meeting with,
for the first time, Skyiesha,
789
00:38:43,794 --> 00:38:45,804
just as a sort of
desperate hope,
790
00:38:45,796 --> 00:38:48,726
not with any real expectation,
791
00:38:48,729 --> 00:38:51,729
I asked her if she took
any pictures that night
792
00:38:51,732 --> 00:38:54,912
on her phone,
and she told me she didn´t.
793
00:38:54,905 --> 00:38:57,935
And one of the facts
that I knew of the case
794
00:38:57,938 --> 00:39:01,108
was at the birthday party
was this booth
795
00:39:01,111 --> 00:39:02,911
that had been set up
for the kids
796
00:39:02,913 --> 00:39:04,723
to have their pictures taken.
797
00:39:04,715 --> 00:39:06,645
[ Camera shutter clicking ]
798
00:39:06,647 --> 00:39:10,617
I asked her if she had taken
any photographs with Charles
799
00:39:10,621 --> 00:39:13,951
in the booth, and she said,
yes, that she had.
800
00:39:13,954 --> 00:39:15,794
"Do you have those pictures?"
801
00:39:15,786 --> 00:39:19,756
And she said, "No,
I threw it out that night."
802
00:39:20,791 --> 00:39:25,041
"I went down to where
NeKeisha was dying,
803
00:39:25,035 --> 00:39:30,735
and I knew that it was
Charles Gerron who did this."
804
00:39:30,741 --> 00:39:33,471
And she said,
"I threw the pictures down.
805
00:39:33,473 --> 00:39:35,553
I just threw them down."
806
00:39:35,546 --> 00:39:37,576
And then I remembered
807
00:39:37,578 --> 00:39:43,008
seeing in my review of
the crime scene photographs...
808
00:39:43,013 --> 00:39:45,123
[ Camera shutter clicking ]
809
00:39:45,115 --> 00:39:46,885
...an envelope
810
00:39:46,887 --> 00:39:52,087
that just a fraction of
the photograph could be seen.
811
00:39:52,092 --> 00:39:54,022
♫♫
812
00:39:54,024 --> 00:39:57,474
And so I quickly called
the lead investigator.
813
00:39:57,467 --> 00:40:00,767
I asked her to meet me
at the police station,
814
00:40:00,771 --> 00:40:03,131
at the evidence room.
815
00:40:03,133 --> 00:40:06,043
We pulled out what was
in the evidence bag,
816
00:40:06,036 --> 00:40:08,506
an envelope
with photographs in there.
817
00:40:08,509 --> 00:40:09,909
And the defendant was there.
818
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:13,910
He had plaid, black-and-white
or gray clothing.
819
00:40:13,914 --> 00:40:19,994
And in that moment in time,
the physical evidence
820
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:27,060
corroborating the testimony
of those two key witnesses
821
00:40:27,057 --> 00:40:32,497
was added to the evidence
of the trial or of the case.
822
00:40:32,503 --> 00:40:33,903
You can call it a smoking gun
823
00:40:33,904 --> 00:40:37,674
in a case where
there was no gun found
824
00:40:37,668 --> 00:40:41,138
because it was
just that powerful.
825
00:40:41,141 --> 00:40:43,741
♫♫
826
00:40:43,744 --> 00:40:45,754
It was clear, it was strong,
827
00:40:45,746 --> 00:40:47,776
and it was proof
beyond a reasonable doubt
828
00:40:47,778 --> 00:40:51,948
that Charles Gerron
killed NeKeisha Hawkins.
829
00:40:51,952 --> 00:41:03,832
♫♫
830
00:41:03,834 --> 00:41:06,074
Schultz: The courtroom
was packed on both sides,
831
00:41:06,066 --> 00:41:09,196
both with the Gerron family
and the Hodges-Hawkins family.
832
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:11,799
You could feel
the tension in the air.
833
00:41:11,802 --> 00:41:15,952
♫♫
834
00:41:15,946 --> 00:41:17,976
I didn´t miss a day
of the trial, not one day.
835
00:41:17,978 --> 00:41:21,948
I was there early every day
that we had trial.
836
00:41:21,952 --> 00:41:23,582
The courtroom was emotional.
837
00:41:23,584 --> 00:41:24,964
The Hodges-Hawkins family
838
00:41:24,955 --> 00:41:27,585
had to relive
the worst day of their lives
839
00:41:27,588 --> 00:41:29,218
every single day of that trial.
840
00:41:29,219 --> 00:41:32,689
That was the roughest thing
ever in life.
841
00:41:32,693 --> 00:41:34,733
We cried in court.
842
00:41:34,725 --> 00:41:37,665
It was hard,
but it was therapeutic.
843
00:41:38,699 --> 00:41:41,969
Schultz: I can tell you that
Charles Gerron was stone cold.
844
00:41:41,972 --> 00:41:43,802
He didn´t show much emotion.
845
00:41:43,804 --> 00:41:49,584
He showed not an ounce,
not one centimeter, of remorse.
846
00:41:49,580 --> 00:41:51,210
He laughed about it in court.
847
00:41:53,043 --> 00:41:56,823
John Espar tried really hard
to prove that, you know,
848
00:41:56,817 --> 00:41:58,647
Gerron had a gun beforehand.
849
00:41:58,649 --> 00:42:00,289
He had a gun before the party.
850
00:42:00,290 --> 00:42:02,720
And he brought witnesses
up to say,
851
00:42:02,723 --> 00:42:04,223
"Were you there prior to that
852
00:42:04,224 --> 00:42:06,704
when you saw
Charles Gerron with a gun?"
853
00:42:06,697 --> 00:42:07,897
And they said yes.
854
00:42:07,898 --> 00:42:09,628
♫♫
855
00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:11,260
Prosecutors will try
to convince them
856
00:42:11,261 --> 00:42:15,111
that Gerron knowingly fired
the gun that killed NeKeisha.
857
00:42:15,105 --> 00:42:19,005
Charles Gerron´s attorney
was really trying to prove
858
00:42:19,009 --> 00:42:22,069
that the witness testimony
was not credible.
859
00:42:22,072 --> 00:42:23,612
♫♫
860
00:42:23,614 --> 00:42:26,284
Skyiesha Pender
dated Gerron in 2011.
861
00:42:26,276 --> 00:42:29,276
She says the night Hawkins died,
she saw Gerron with a gun,
862
00:42:29,279 --> 00:42:32,579
and then later on that night,
she saw Gerron shoot that gun
863
00:42:32,583 --> 00:42:34,633
into a crowd of people.
864
00:42:34,625 --> 00:42:37,885
Espar: The defense that they
put forward was to argue
865
00:42:37,888 --> 00:42:40,128
that in our system of justice,
866
00:42:40,130 --> 00:42:43,790
this quantity of evidence
or this quality of evidence
867
00:42:43,794 --> 00:42:45,274
is not enough
868
00:42:45,265 --> 00:42:47,795
to convict the person
beyond a reasonable doubt.
869
00:42:47,798 --> 00:42:53,198
Kalvon and Janice were scared
that they weren´t going to get
870
00:42:53,203 --> 00:42:56,253
the verdict that
they had been fighting for.
871
00:42:56,246 --> 00:43:00,746
♫♫
872
00:43:00,751 --> 00:43:04,111
When I heard all the evidence
and the jury went to deliberate,
873
00:43:04,114 --> 00:43:05,694
I honestly wasn´t sure.
874
00:43:05,686 --> 00:43:07,756
I thought it could
go one way or the other
875
00:43:07,758 --> 00:43:09,218
if it was guilty or not guilty,
876
00:43:09,219 --> 00:43:12,319
because they both presented
a pretty valid case.
877
00:43:13,994 --> 00:43:17,174
Espar: That´s probably the most
anxious time for a prosecutor,
878
00:43:17,167 --> 00:43:19,197
is waiting for the jury
to come back
879
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:21,099
when you´ve done
everything you can do
880
00:43:21,101 --> 00:43:23,931
and now
it´s in somebody else´s hands.
881
00:43:23,934 --> 00:43:25,384
So you´re waiting.
882
00:43:25,375 --> 00:43:31,935
♫♫
883
00:43:31,942 --> 00:43:38,352
♫♫
884
00:43:38,348 --> 00:43:40,688
And they said he was guilty.
885
00:43:40,691 --> 00:43:43,921
And my knees buckled.
886
00:43:43,924 --> 00:43:46,204
I was like [exhales deeply]
887
00:43:46,196 --> 00:43:49,226
On my birthday.
888
00:43:49,229 --> 00:43:52,359
A jury has found Charles Gerron
guilty of murder
889
00:43:52,362 --> 00:43:56,142
for the shooting death
of NeKeisha Hodges-Hawkins.
890
00:43:56,136 --> 00:43:59,036
I did see members of the
NeKeisha Hodges-Hawkins family
891
00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:02,069
dip their heads
and silently begin to sob.
892
00:44:02,072 --> 00:44:03,972
Charles Gerron seemed calm
through it all.
893
00:44:03,974 --> 00:44:06,054
Kalvon: I did this for you,
baby girl.
894
00:44:07,417 --> 00:44:09,847
This is the best
birthday present ever.
895
00:44:11,221 --> 00:44:14,181
She watched over me
the whole time,
896
00:44:14,184 --> 00:44:15,694
through everything.
897
00:44:15,686 --> 00:44:18,186
She can sleep,
and I can sleep.
898
00:44:19,229 --> 00:44:21,129
Happy birthday to me.
899
00:44:21,131 --> 00:44:25,741
♫♫
900
00:44:25,736 --> 00:44:28,436
Espar: They´re never going to
get their daughter back.
901
00:44:28,438 --> 00:44:33,368
The most we could do for them in
that moment of time happened --
902
00:44:33,373 --> 00:44:35,783
finally had happened.
903
00:44:35,776 --> 00:44:40,276
They were finally at a place
where they might begin to heal
904
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:45,290
from the unthinkable loss
that they have suffered.
905
00:44:47,357 --> 00:44:49,217
I love you.
I love you.
906
00:44:54,094 --> 00:44:55,934
I´m going live out here
907
00:44:55,926 --> 00:44:58,096
at the Michigan City
Police Department.
908
00:44:58,098 --> 00:45:02,028
When Kalvon utilized
Facebook Live to his advantage,
909
00:45:02,032 --> 00:45:04,782
it was a relatively newer
thing to do.
910
00:45:04,775 --> 00:45:06,775
I don´t think he even knew
what he was doing
911
00:45:06,777 --> 00:45:08,237
or the power
that he was harnessing
912
00:45:08,238 --> 00:45:09,738
when he pressed "Live."
913
00:45:09,740 --> 00:45:11,210
And it worked.
914
00:45:11,211 --> 00:45:13,241
Six years of fighting,
915
00:45:13,243 --> 00:45:15,053
and it came to an end.
916
00:45:15,045 --> 00:45:17,345
[ Cellphone chimes ]
917
00:45:17,347 --> 00:45:20,017
Keisha can sleep.
918
00:45:20,020 --> 00:45:21,920
Now I can sleep.
919
00:45:21,922 --> 00:45:24,732
♫♫
920
00:45:24,725 --> 00:45:27,955
Kenyatta: Justice was served,
and I was happy.
921
00:45:27,958 --> 00:45:30,298
Happy that my family
could now heal.
922
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:32,800
♫♫
923
00:45:32,803 --> 00:45:34,203
Justice being served
924
00:45:34,204 --> 00:45:37,814
helped me forgive myself
for knowing that
925
00:45:37,808 --> 00:45:40,168
there was nothing
I could have possibly done.
926
00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:43,840
Now I don´t have to
put on a front anymore.
927
00:45:43,844 --> 00:45:47,154
I can actually try to
work through my sadness
928
00:45:47,147 --> 00:45:49,347
and my depression.
929
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:51,049
I´m never going to get
my childhood back
930
00:45:51,051 --> 00:45:52,881
and those lessons,
931
00:45:52,883 --> 00:45:56,363
but now I can actually process
932
00:45:56,356 --> 00:45:58,186
in a very healthy manner.
933
00:45:58,188 --> 00:46:05,838
♫♫
934
00:46:05,836 --> 00:46:09,136
Janice: That night,
I sat at the end of the street,
935
00:46:09,139 --> 00:46:13,199
and I watched them clean
the blood off of the street.
936
00:46:13,203 --> 00:46:15,313
I watched them do everything
that they needed to do
937
00:46:15,305 --> 00:46:17,205
pertaining to her.
938
00:46:17,207 --> 00:46:22,077
And I made peace with the fact
that she was gone.
939
00:46:22,082 --> 00:46:28,562
So I´ve had that sense of peace
since she´s been gone,
940
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:32,819
because I know that, one day,
I´ll see her again.
941
00:46:32,823 --> 00:46:36,803
I do not believe that Kalvon
has found the peace that I have,
942
00:46:36,797 --> 00:46:41,027
because it´s hard for him
to make peace
943
00:46:41,031 --> 00:46:44,231
with the fact that she´s gone.
944
00:46:44,234 --> 00:46:48,084
When you lose a kid, there is
no such thing as closure.
945
00:46:48,078 --> 00:46:50,838
It´s just dealing with it
day by day.
946
00:46:53,183 --> 00:46:55,153
Sometimes we talk about Keisha.
947
00:46:55,145 --> 00:46:57,285
Just all the silly stuff
that she used to do.
948
00:46:57,287 --> 00:46:58,517
That´s how we remember.
949
00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:00,249
We can be doing
something in here,
950
00:47:00,250 --> 00:47:02,120
and one of us will
bust out laughing,
951
00:47:02,122 --> 00:47:04,052
like, "Man,
that girl was crazy."
952
00:47:04,054 --> 00:47:07,434
And we´ll just laugh.
We´ll laugh about it.
953
00:47:07,427 --> 00:47:10,357
We might end up crying,
but we laugh.
954
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,560
I miss the laughter.
She was so goofy.
955
00:47:13,564 --> 00:47:18,974
It´s very sad not being able to
see what she would have become.
956
00:47:18,969 --> 00:47:21,909
Kalvon: Could you imagine her
as a relationship counselor?
957
00:47:21,912 --> 00:47:24,882
Every client she had
probably would have broke up.
958
00:47:24,875 --> 00:47:27,275
[ Laughs ]
959
00:47:27,277 --> 00:47:28,477
That would have been
hilarious, but...
960
00:47:28,478 --> 00:47:30,048
[ Laughs ]
961
00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:31,350
Remember when she used
to play basketball?
962
00:47:31,351 --> 00:47:33,921
She was on the court,
and she had nice shoes.
963
00:47:33,924 --> 00:47:37,494
She played.
She did have nice shoes.
964
00:47:37,487 --> 00:47:38,957
She could play volleyball,
though.
965
00:47:38,959 --> 00:47:41,029
She was amazing
at volleyball.
966
00:47:41,031 --> 00:47:44,191
Shortest person in the world
could play volleyball.
967
00:47:44,194 --> 00:47:49,604
I don´t think he sees
the magnitude of what he´s done,
968
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,600
but that´s ´cause he´s
in his head all the time.
969
00:47:51,602 --> 00:47:53,342
The moment he gets out
of his head,
970
00:47:53,343 --> 00:47:57,353
he can just see
how amazing he is.
971
00:47:57,347 --> 00:47:59,077
I was trying to give you
the thumbs up.
972
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:01,209
Kenyatta:
He took his circumstances
973
00:48:01,211 --> 00:48:03,411
and literally changed them.
974
00:48:03,413 --> 00:48:06,593
If that´s not inspiration,
I truly don´t know what is.
975
00:48:06,587 --> 00:48:09,217
[ Laughter ]
976
00:48:13,293 --> 00:48:25,013
♫♫
977
00:48:25,005 --> 00:48:36,515
♫♫
978
00:48:36,517 --> 00:48:48,227
♫♫
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