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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,139 --> 00:00:11,009 Kalvon: That night at the party, 2 00:00:11,011 --> 00:00:13,481 she left the house, never came back. 3 00:00:13,483 --> 00:00:17,023 [ Siren wails ] Female Reporter: NeKeisha Hodges-Hawkins was shot and killed... 4 00:00:17,017 --> 00:00:18,587 Male Reporter: ...when someone opened fire on a crowd 5 00:00:18,589 --> 00:00:20,019 after a birthday party. 6 00:00:20,020 --> 00:00:23,150 Shockingly, no one stepped forward 7 00:00:23,153 --> 00:00:28,533 to identify who shot and killed NeKeisha. 8 00:00:28,529 --> 00:00:31,299 It said "Live" on my page, so I pushed it. 9 00:00:31,301 --> 00:00:34,101 If I would not do this for Keisha, 10 00:00:34,104 --> 00:00:36,414 I would be less than a man. 11 00:00:36,406 --> 00:00:39,466 It moved a community. It absolutely did. 12 00:00:39,469 --> 00:00:42,069 Kalvon, to me, seemed like 13 00:00:42,072 --> 00:00:45,282 he was not going to stop until he got an answer. 14 00:00:45,275 --> 00:00:47,245 I´m gonna get justice. 15 00:00:47,247 --> 00:00:58,487 ♫♫ 16 00:00:58,488 --> 00:01:09,768 ♫♫ 17 00:01:09,770 --> 00:01:21,210 ♫♫ 18 00:01:21,211 --> 00:01:22,811 Kalvon: We were a very happy family. 19 00:01:22,813 --> 00:01:26,363 It was just us, just the five of us. 20 00:01:26,356 --> 00:01:28,816 That´s all we needed. 21 00:01:28,819 --> 00:01:33,119 It was me, Janice, Little Kal, Kenyatta, and Keisha. 22 00:01:33,123 --> 00:01:35,533 Keisha always pulled practical jokes on you, 23 00:01:35,526 --> 00:01:37,426 but she also was smart. 24 00:01:37,427 --> 00:01:40,367 That was my heart. 25 00:01:40,370 --> 00:01:42,100 The kind of father I think I was, 26 00:01:42,102 --> 00:01:43,872 I just wanted to protect my family. 27 00:01:43,874 --> 00:01:46,484 That´s the only thing I wanted to do. 28 00:01:46,476 --> 00:01:55,286 ♫♫ 29 00:01:55,285 --> 00:02:04,115 ♫♫ 30 00:02:04,124 --> 00:02:08,434 The night of the party, Kalvon and I were watching TV. 31 00:02:08,428 --> 00:02:11,398 ♫♫ 32 00:02:11,401 --> 00:02:13,761 Kalvon: NeKeisha came out her room dressed. 33 00:02:13,764 --> 00:02:15,414 I said, "Where do you think you going?" 34 00:02:15,405 --> 00:02:16,805 ´Cause I´m seeing the time. 35 00:02:16,807 --> 00:02:18,367 I´m like, "Where do you think you´re going?" 36 00:02:18,368 --> 00:02:21,538 She´s like, "I´m going to Paw-Paw house." 37 00:02:21,542 --> 00:02:22,842 I said, "I know you lying." 38 00:02:22,843 --> 00:02:30,653 ♫♫ 39 00:02:30,651 --> 00:02:32,421 And she´s like, "Yes, I am, Dad. 40 00:02:32,422 --> 00:02:34,352 I´m not lying to you." 41 00:02:34,354 --> 00:02:36,164 But I felt it. 42 00:02:36,156 --> 00:02:37,756 I felt it. 43 00:02:37,758 --> 00:02:41,558 ♫♫ 44 00:02:41,562 --> 00:02:44,262 I don´t think she told us about the party 45 00:02:44,264 --> 00:02:48,444 because she probably knew her father wouldn´t want her to go. 46 00:02:48,438 --> 00:02:50,298 Kalvon is very protective, 47 00:02:50,300 --> 00:02:53,400 so it´s easier to get permission to go to a friend´s house 48 00:02:53,403 --> 00:02:55,953 than it is to get permission to go to a party. 49 00:02:55,946 --> 00:02:58,846 ♫♫ 50 00:02:58,849 --> 00:03:01,409 Kalvon: She said, "I love you." I said, "I love you, too." 51 00:03:01,411 --> 00:03:02,811 But something in my heart, 52 00:03:02,813 --> 00:03:04,383 when she was going down them stairs, 53 00:03:04,384 --> 00:03:06,264 like, "She´s lying. 54 00:03:06,256 --> 00:03:08,716 You shouldn´t let her go nowhere." 55 00:03:08,719 --> 00:03:12,189 She left the house and never came back. 56 00:03:12,192 --> 00:03:18,732 ♫♫ 57 00:03:18,729 --> 00:03:21,669 The party that we attended was a birthday party. 58 00:03:22,703 --> 00:03:26,213 Someone posted about it on social media. 59 00:03:26,206 --> 00:03:27,976 That´s probably how a lot of people ended up there. 60 00:03:27,978 --> 00:03:31,308 A lot of high schoolers and classmates, 61 00:03:31,311 --> 00:03:32,911 people older than me, obviously. 62 00:03:32,913 --> 00:03:34,723 I was only like 13 at the time. 63 00:03:36,216 --> 00:03:37,616 Michigan City´s quite a small town, 64 00:03:37,618 --> 00:03:39,288 so everybody knows everybody. 65 00:03:39,289 --> 00:03:41,519 So you knew everybody who was there. 66 00:03:41,522 --> 00:03:44,392 When I arrived, everybody was having fun. 67 00:03:44,394 --> 00:03:46,364 It was, like, a stoplight party, 68 00:03:46,356 --> 00:03:47,726 is what the theme of it was. 69 00:03:47,728 --> 00:03:50,998 So red lights, red-colored clothing, 70 00:03:51,001 --> 00:03:53,261 yellow-colored clothing. 71 00:03:53,263 --> 00:03:55,313 It seemed super cool. It was a great environment. 72 00:03:55,305 --> 00:03:56,805 ♫♫ 73 00:03:56,807 --> 00:03:59,767 It wasn´t until people arrived later 74 00:03:59,770 --> 00:04:03,010 that the vibe started to diminish. 75 00:04:03,013 --> 00:04:05,283 Like, everybody knew of these people 76 00:04:05,275 --> 00:04:07,845 or knew these people personally, so they know that 77 00:04:07,848 --> 00:04:10,578 normally trouble follows wherever they go. 78 00:04:10,581 --> 00:04:13,381 There was a lot less people dancing and having a good time, 79 00:04:13,383 --> 00:04:16,933 and everybody´s just, like, looking over their shoulders. 80 00:04:16,927 --> 00:04:19,257 There was an altercation between a couple of girls. 81 00:04:19,259 --> 00:04:20,959 They started to argue. 82 00:04:20,961 --> 00:04:24,461 And then the guys who walked in and gave everybody bad vibes, 83 00:04:24,464 --> 00:04:26,874 they also started to argue. 84 00:04:26,867 --> 00:04:30,367 There´s a ton of conflict that´s happening. 85 00:04:30,370 --> 00:04:32,400 It´s creating a lot of chaos, 86 00:04:32,402 --> 00:04:34,852 and no one wanted to be responsible for the chaos, 87 00:04:34,845 --> 00:04:36,645 so they make everyone leave. 88 00:04:37,808 --> 00:04:41,878 Making us leave and disperse created a bigger chaos 89 00:04:41,882 --> 00:04:44,282 because now there´s a mob of people walking around. 90 00:04:44,284 --> 00:04:45,594 [ Cellphone rings ] 91 00:04:45,586 --> 00:04:48,016 Kalvon: The phone ring. It was Keisha. 92 00:04:48,018 --> 00:04:51,388 And she´s like, "Mom, can you come pick me up?" 93 00:04:51,391 --> 00:04:52,621 I´m like, "Where you at?" 94 00:04:52,623 --> 00:04:54,293 She´s like, "I came to this party. 95 00:04:54,294 --> 00:04:56,704 I don´t want to be here. Can you come pick me up?" 96 00:04:56,697 --> 00:04:58,527 So, Janice left. 97 00:04:58,529 --> 00:05:00,399 ♫♫ 98 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,400 Kenyatta: The next thing I remember is 99 00:05:02,402 --> 00:05:04,542 like eight or nine gunshots going off. 100 00:05:04,535 --> 00:05:06,335 [ Gun firing, screaming ] 101 00:05:06,336 --> 00:05:09,506 You just hear people screaming at the top of their lungs. 102 00:05:09,510 --> 00:05:12,840 Something told me to walk towards the screams. 103 00:05:12,843 --> 00:05:15,053 I recognized the girl who was screaming. 104 00:05:15,045 --> 00:05:18,445 It was my cousin, and she was just screaming 105 00:05:18,448 --> 00:05:20,648 at the top of her lungs. 106 00:05:20,651 --> 00:05:23,491 "They shot her. They shot her in her head." 107 00:05:23,493 --> 00:05:24,933 [ Screaming continues ] 108 00:05:24,925 --> 00:05:28,925 And as I continued to walk is when I see my sister. 109 00:05:28,929 --> 00:05:31,459 She was laying on the ground. 110 00:05:31,461 --> 00:05:34,001 And that´s when I realized that she -- 111 00:05:34,004 --> 00:05:36,974 she was the one who had been shot. 112 00:05:36,967 --> 00:05:38,407 She was still breathing, 113 00:05:38,408 --> 00:05:40,968 but it was, like, she was gasping for air. 114 00:05:42,372 --> 00:05:46,022 And I just knelt down right beside her. 115 00:05:46,016 --> 00:05:48,716 And I held her hand, I held her head. 116 00:05:48,719 --> 00:05:51,579 ♫♫ 117 00:05:51,582 --> 00:05:53,352 [ Siren wailing ] 118 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:54,763 Ashley: Officers were dispatched 119 00:05:54,755 --> 00:05:56,755 to the area of Krueger Memorial Hall, 120 00:05:56,757 --> 00:05:59,657 where they was told that shots were being fired 121 00:05:59,660 --> 00:06:01,130 and that there was possible injuries. 122 00:06:01,131 --> 00:06:03,891 When officers arrived, they came to the scene 123 00:06:03,894 --> 00:06:07,704 and noticed that there was a juvenile female on the ground. 124 00:06:07,698 --> 00:06:09,738 Also, they were told that it´s possible 125 00:06:09,740 --> 00:06:12,900 another victim that was on his way to the hospital. 126 00:06:12,903 --> 00:06:16,413 Janice: When I got there, there was an ambulance. 127 00:06:16,406 --> 00:06:19,676 By the ambulance, on the ground, there was just a white sheet. 128 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,480 And I knew that she was under that white sheet, 129 00:06:22,482 --> 00:06:26,592 so I just went there, and I moved the sheet, 130 00:06:26,587 --> 00:06:31,587 and I just stared at her, and I cried, and I shook my head 131 00:06:31,592 --> 00:06:36,902 ´cause I´m like, "See, I told you anything can happen." 132 00:06:36,897 --> 00:06:38,897 And she was -- she was on the ground. 133 00:06:38,899 --> 00:06:44,979 ♫♫ 134 00:06:44,975 --> 00:06:48,635 Then I had to get myself together so I could call Kalvon 135 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:50,939 and tell him that she had been shot. 136 00:06:50,941 --> 00:06:52,981 And who wants to make that call? 137 00:06:52,983 --> 00:06:56,093 Like, that´s the worst call to have to make ever. 138 00:06:58,148 --> 00:07:01,148 Kalvon: I´m sitting down, my phone ring, and it was Janice. 139 00:07:01,151 --> 00:07:04,701 I picked it up. She said, "Keisha dead." 140 00:07:04,695 --> 00:07:12,725 ♫♫ 141 00:07:12,733 --> 00:07:13,933 So... 142 00:07:15,666 --> 00:07:17,566 This girl just left this house. 143 00:07:17,568 --> 00:07:19,538 I was like, "This is all on me," 144 00:07:19,540 --> 00:07:21,740 I said, "Because I should have stopped her, 145 00:07:21,742 --> 00:07:23,572 and I knew she was lying." 146 00:07:27,117 --> 00:07:34,827 ♫♫ 147 00:07:34,825 --> 00:07:42,555 ♫♫ 148 00:07:42,563 --> 00:07:46,243 NeKeisha used to bake. 149 00:07:46,236 --> 00:07:48,196 She would bake for holidays. 150 00:07:48,198 --> 00:07:50,498 She would see me baking. 151 00:07:50,501 --> 00:07:52,641 And then she wanted to learn to bake. 152 00:07:52,643 --> 00:07:54,713 And then she just started baking cakes on her own. 153 00:07:55,906 --> 00:08:00,706 When NeKeisha was born, Kalvon adored her. 154 00:08:00,711 --> 00:08:02,051 He was scared to hold her. 155 00:08:02,052 --> 00:08:03,882 She was tiny, so he was like, 156 00:08:03,884 --> 00:08:05,264 "No, I don´t want to hold her. 157 00:08:05,255 --> 00:08:07,155 I might break her." He just kept saying that. 158 00:08:07,157 --> 00:08:09,557 "I might break her. I don´t want to do it." 159 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,720 But he was very cute. 160 00:08:12,723 --> 00:08:14,573 Kalvon: That was my heart. 161 00:08:14,565 --> 00:08:16,995 That was our baby. 162 00:08:16,997 --> 00:08:18,797 Keisha was the main one. 163 00:08:18,799 --> 00:08:20,799 Like, if she was to go spend the night at somebody house, 164 00:08:20,801 --> 00:08:22,671 the house would be quiet with me, Janice, 165 00:08:22,673 --> 00:08:24,133 Little Kal, and Yatt. 166 00:08:24,134 --> 00:08:25,814 But when Keisha come home, 167 00:08:25,806 --> 00:08:28,706 it was stir crazy. 168 00:08:28,709 --> 00:08:31,109 Like, Keisha was fun. Like, she was silly. 169 00:08:31,111 --> 00:08:36,051 My relationship with my sister was, like, we were inseparable. 170 00:08:36,046 --> 00:08:38,116 She was an amazing friend. 171 00:08:38,118 --> 00:08:41,248 She had a loving spirit, very empathetic. 172 00:08:41,251 --> 00:08:43,251 ♫♫ 173 00:08:43,253 --> 00:08:46,763 Janice: She was my best friend ´cause she was my first born 174 00:08:46,757 --> 00:08:49,697 and she was my only daughter. 175 00:08:49,700 --> 00:08:52,100 We did everything together. We were very close. 176 00:08:52,102 --> 00:08:54,162 ♫♫ 177 00:08:54,164 --> 00:08:56,844 When I bake, I think of holidays 178 00:08:56,837 --> 00:09:00,737 and how she would take cakes to other people´s families 179 00:09:00,741 --> 00:09:02,171 like her friends´ families. 180 00:09:02,172 --> 00:09:03,812 So I think of that. 181 00:09:03,814 --> 00:09:06,954 I enjoy baking and getting that good memory. 182 00:09:08,018 --> 00:09:10,278 So baking, it gives me a little peace. 183 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:20,030 ♫♫ 184 00:09:20,030 --> 00:09:21,930 Female Reporter: NeKeisha Hodges-Hawkins 185 00:09:21,932 --> 00:09:24,802 was shot and killed during a party in Michigan City. 186 00:09:24,795 --> 00:09:26,765 Ashley: Whenever a offense is committed, 187 00:09:26,767 --> 00:09:28,597 especially in this magnitude, 188 00:09:28,599 --> 00:09:30,239 the first thing that police officers would do 189 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,940 is try to get as much information as possible. 190 00:09:32,943 --> 00:09:34,683 It´s pretty much information gathering. 191 00:09:34,675 --> 00:09:37,305 So you want to try to get as much trace evidence 192 00:09:37,307 --> 00:09:41,047 like a hair, fingerprints, shell casings, 193 00:09:41,051 --> 00:09:44,251 anything that can directly link you to the perpetrator. 194 00:09:44,254 --> 00:09:46,094 [ Police radio chatter ] 195 00:09:46,086 --> 00:09:48,256 It´s my understanding that there was some feuding going on 196 00:09:48,258 --> 00:09:50,188 between some of the guys that were there. 197 00:09:50,190 --> 00:09:52,920 A rivalry between two groups of teenagers 198 00:09:52,923 --> 00:09:54,773 from opposite sides of town. 199 00:09:54,765 --> 00:09:59,325 What contributes to the violence that plays out in Michigan City? 200 00:09:59,329 --> 00:10:02,769 It´s the accessibility of firearms, for one. 201 00:10:02,773 --> 00:10:04,783 When it´s among young people, 202 00:10:04,775 --> 00:10:09,805 it´s the fact that circumstances combine youth and immaturity 203 00:10:09,810 --> 00:10:13,040 and an undeveloped mind with a deadly weapon. 204 00:10:13,043 --> 00:10:15,053 Gang members are not going to talk to the police. 205 00:10:15,045 --> 00:10:16,845 Of course, that´s an issue. 206 00:10:16,847 --> 00:10:19,287 Male Reporter: Dozens of people, perhaps more than a hundred, 207 00:10:19,289 --> 00:10:22,719 were here and probably witnessed the shooting. 208 00:10:22,723 --> 00:10:24,193 Ashley: There was, I would say, 209 00:10:24,194 --> 00:10:28,734 anywhere from 100 to 150 high-school-aged children there. 210 00:10:28,729 --> 00:10:30,129 I spoke to several people. 211 00:10:30,130 --> 00:10:31,700 Everything was sort of convoluted. 212 00:10:31,702 --> 00:10:34,262 The stories were all over the place based on 213 00:10:34,264 --> 00:10:38,014 where they actually were when the shots rang out. 214 00:10:38,008 --> 00:10:39,708 One thing kept coming up. 215 00:10:39,710 --> 00:10:43,140 Cameron Kent, he was one of the party goers. 216 00:10:43,143 --> 00:10:44,853 There was witnesses that came forward 217 00:10:44,845 --> 00:10:47,845 and said that they actually did witness him shoot. 218 00:10:47,848 --> 00:10:51,178 When the party let out, he actually walked down the hill 219 00:10:51,181 --> 00:10:53,851 where multiple other party goers were. 220 00:10:53,854 --> 00:10:55,994 He pulled out a gun, and he shot into the air. 221 00:10:55,986 --> 00:10:57,886 [ Gun firing, screaming ] 222 00:10:57,888 --> 00:11:02,758 Cameron Kent had been accused by one of those injured 223 00:11:02,763 --> 00:11:06,843 who believed Cameron Kent had been responsible for his injury. 224 00:11:06,837 --> 00:11:08,337 Ashley: Cameron Kent, 225 00:11:08,338 --> 00:11:10,868 he´s a person of interest for us at this point, 226 00:11:10,871 --> 00:11:13,771 and so we talked to him extensively, 227 00:11:13,774 --> 00:11:16,184 and eventually he gave up where his gun was. 228 00:11:16,176 --> 00:11:18,106 [ Camera shutter clicking ] 229 00:11:18,108 --> 00:11:21,448 Cameron was the only person identified as 230 00:11:21,451 --> 00:11:23,281 shooting a gun that evening. 231 00:11:24,454 --> 00:11:29,764 So he was ultimately charged with NeKeisha´s death. 232 00:11:33,794 --> 00:11:36,274 Kalvon: Cameron used to come to our house all the time 233 00:11:36,266 --> 00:11:40,266 and play with Keisha and Yatt and little Kal. 234 00:11:40,270 --> 00:11:44,430 Janice: That night when she was murdered, 235 00:11:44,434 --> 00:11:49,444 Cameron came to me and he hugged me and he said he was sorry. 236 00:11:49,439 --> 00:11:51,309 And I didn´t think anything of it 237 00:11:51,311 --> 00:11:54,851 because I knew that she and he were friends. 238 00:11:54,845 --> 00:11:57,415 And then when they said that he was arrested, 239 00:11:57,417 --> 00:11:59,087 I´m like, "No way. 240 00:11:59,089 --> 00:12:00,889 I mean, it couldn´t have been him." 241 00:12:00,891 --> 00:12:09,361 ♫♫ 242 00:12:09,359 --> 00:12:13,259 Espar: It wasn´t for a period of perhaps two-and-a-half months 243 00:12:13,263 --> 00:12:16,913 when the ballistics report came back 244 00:12:16,907 --> 00:12:22,737 and a comparison of the firearm that was recovered 245 00:12:22,743 --> 00:12:24,523 was compared to the bullet 246 00:12:24,515 --> 00:12:27,375 that was recovered from NeKeisha´s body 247 00:12:27,377 --> 00:12:30,077 and found not to be a match, 248 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,850 that the weapon that the young man had that night 249 00:12:33,854 --> 00:12:36,294 could not have been the weapon 250 00:12:36,286 --> 00:12:39,126 that claimed the life of NeKeisha. 251 00:12:39,129 --> 00:12:42,159 And those charges were dismissed. 252 00:12:42,162 --> 00:12:46,272 ♫♫ 253 00:12:46,266 --> 00:12:48,236 So that was a pivotal turning point, obviously, 254 00:12:48,238 --> 00:12:49,868 in the investigation 255 00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:51,770 because now you´re looking for another shooter. 256 00:12:51,772 --> 00:12:55,382 [ Gun firing, screaming ] 257 00:12:56,346 --> 00:12:58,776 You wanna cut through here? Janice: Yeah, we can. 258 00:12:58,779 --> 00:13:00,309 Y´all go ahead ´cause I don´t know where I´m going. 259 00:13:00,310 --> 00:13:02,480 Right where that purple flower is. 260 00:13:02,482 --> 00:13:04,562 When Cameron was released, I told the police, 261 00:13:04,555 --> 00:13:06,255 "Y´all need to find who did this." 262 00:13:06,256 --> 00:13:08,286 Oh, that one should go in the back. 263 00:13:08,288 --> 00:13:11,158 Huh? That big one. 264 00:13:11,161 --> 00:13:13,561 Kalvon: I just wanted to know who killed my baby 265 00:13:13,564 --> 00:13:15,404 and what was going on. 266 00:13:15,395 --> 00:13:17,525 ♫♫ 267 00:13:17,528 --> 00:13:20,198 A parent is not supposed to bury their child. 268 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,470 A child is supposed to bury their parents. 269 00:13:22,472 --> 00:13:25,082 ♫♫ 270 00:13:25,075 --> 00:13:26,905 She ain´t even get to live. 271 00:13:26,907 --> 00:13:28,407 4 days before her 18th birthday, 272 00:13:28,408 --> 00:13:30,308 she get a casket for her birthday. 273 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:32,280 What a present. 274 00:13:32,282 --> 00:13:39,492 ♫♫ 275 00:13:39,489 --> 00:13:46,899 ♫♫ 276 00:13:46,897 --> 00:13:50,927 We´re two-and-a-half months into an investigation 277 00:13:50,931 --> 00:13:54,201 that had its only lead turn out to be a dead end 278 00:13:54,204 --> 00:13:56,274 and wrong, flat-out wrong. 279 00:13:57,508 --> 00:14:01,208 Law enforcement had to return to the public. 280 00:14:01,211 --> 00:14:04,581 But there is a reluctance from the community 281 00:14:04,575 --> 00:14:08,075 to get involved in police investigations 282 00:14:08,078 --> 00:14:10,348 when violence is the crime. 283 00:14:11,451 --> 00:14:14,381 They could be scared of retaliation. 284 00:14:14,384 --> 00:14:16,594 The kids were unwilling to come forward 285 00:14:16,587 --> 00:14:19,557 because, you know, in the Black community, 286 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,260 they don´t believe in snitching. 287 00:14:22,262 --> 00:14:25,172 Kalvon: The kids´ parents told them to stay out of it. 288 00:14:25,165 --> 00:14:28,265 That´s what they did, so they´re saying nobody would talk. 289 00:14:28,268 --> 00:14:32,598 And when others aren´t stepping forward, as far as they know, 290 00:14:32,603 --> 00:14:35,013 maybe there´s a little bit of, why should I? 291 00:14:36,406 --> 00:14:39,146 The decision, I think, was made that 292 00:14:39,149 --> 00:14:43,209 until more evidence is developed and more evidence comes forward, 293 00:14:43,213 --> 00:14:47,163 the case will remain under investigation 294 00:14:47,157 --> 00:14:51,117 and leads will be followed as they´re developed. 295 00:14:51,121 --> 00:14:56,601 But, unfortunately, those leads were not forthcoming. 296 00:14:56,597 --> 00:14:58,427 Those leads dried up. 297 00:14:58,428 --> 00:15:02,498 At that time, law enforcement was back to square one. 298 00:15:02,503 --> 00:15:07,983 ♫♫ 299 00:15:07,978 --> 00:15:09,508 [ Cellphone rings ] 300 00:15:09,510 --> 00:15:13,510 ♫♫ 301 00:15:13,514 --> 00:15:17,324 Kalvon: Years after, we was lost, super lost. 302 00:15:18,519 --> 00:15:22,389 I was angry and couldn´t grieve. 303 00:15:22,392 --> 00:15:24,662 Kenyatta: This should have brought us closer, if anything, 304 00:15:24,655 --> 00:15:28,425 so that we could have each other to rely on. 305 00:15:28,428 --> 00:15:30,658 But it´s like it pushed us apart. 306 00:15:30,661 --> 00:15:32,701 ♫♫ 307 00:15:32,703 --> 00:15:34,673 My family used to be like this, 308 00:15:34,665 --> 00:15:37,605 and when she got killed, it just went like that. 309 00:15:37,608 --> 00:15:40,268 Just all separate, everything. 310 00:15:40,270 --> 00:15:43,210 So family was dead. 311 00:15:43,213 --> 00:15:45,353 Wasn´t no such thing as family no more. 312 00:15:47,217 --> 00:15:48,977 It ruined us. 313 00:15:48,979 --> 00:15:52,279 Kalvon was very depressed, so he didn´t really talk. 314 00:15:52,282 --> 00:15:54,152 He didn´t really come out of his room. 315 00:15:54,154 --> 00:15:58,634 I just wanted to just lay there and wallow in my sorrow. 316 00:16:01,191 --> 00:16:03,261 I just wanted to sleep. 317 00:16:04,665 --> 00:16:07,435 All I thought about was Keisha. 318 00:16:09,239 --> 00:16:11,969 Kenyatta: My dad felt like all hope was lost. 319 00:16:11,972 --> 00:16:14,172 Instead of accepting and forgiving 320 00:16:14,174 --> 00:16:16,314 what had already happened, 321 00:16:16,306 --> 00:16:19,046 he dwelled so much on the past. 322 00:16:19,049 --> 00:16:23,409 ´Cause in his mind, in his heart, he failed us, 323 00:16:23,413 --> 00:16:25,563 he failed NeKeisha, he couldn´t protect her. 324 00:16:25,556 --> 00:16:32,416 He couldn´t save her from what he had felt all along, 325 00:16:32,422 --> 00:16:35,272 you know, "This is what I was trying to stop. 326 00:16:35,265 --> 00:16:36,665 That´s why I was so tough. 327 00:16:36,667 --> 00:16:39,997 That´s why I was so, you know, strict. 328 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,670 Because this very thing is what I was trying to stop." 329 00:16:43,674 --> 00:16:46,044 And he wasn´t able to stop it. 330 00:16:46,036 --> 00:16:48,476 ♫♫ 331 00:16:48,478 --> 00:16:51,638 Kenyatta: But he still had other kids. 332 00:16:51,642 --> 00:16:55,022 I felt a ton of resentment, actually. 333 00:16:55,015 --> 00:16:59,285 But seeing my mom being this fortress, this rock, 334 00:16:59,289 --> 00:17:01,649 a woman of strength, 335 00:17:01,652 --> 00:17:03,492 showed me that I need to make sure that 336 00:17:03,493 --> 00:17:06,103 I am being a man of strength 337 00:17:06,096 --> 00:17:08,756 in being a support system for my family. 338 00:17:08,759 --> 00:17:15,169 ♫♫ 339 00:17:18,539 --> 00:17:27,679 ♫♫ 340 00:17:27,678 --> 00:17:36,828 ♫♫ 341 00:17:36,827 --> 00:17:39,057 Stebbins: I was in my senior year in college 342 00:17:39,059 --> 00:17:40,589 with my first degree. 343 00:17:40,591 --> 00:17:43,791 All of a sudden, somebody makes a slam page on Facebook. 344 00:17:43,794 --> 00:17:46,744 So, a slam page is like an anonymous page 345 00:17:46,737 --> 00:17:49,737 where people are writing things about different people, 346 00:17:49,740 --> 00:17:51,700 but you don´t know who´s putting them up there. 347 00:17:51,702 --> 00:17:53,542 [ Cellphone chimes ] 348 00:17:53,544 --> 00:17:55,514 Kalvon: I just heard "ding," 349 00:17:55,506 --> 00:17:57,706 then I heard "ding," then I heard "ding." 350 00:17:57,708 --> 00:18:00,148 I´m like, "The hell? Who´s texting me?" 351 00:18:01,181 --> 00:18:04,081 I´m looking at the phone, I´m like, "Keisha?" 352 00:18:04,084 --> 00:18:05,624 So I start reading. 353 00:18:05,616 --> 00:18:09,086 And they was talking about her death. 354 00:18:09,089 --> 00:18:12,359 ♫♫ 355 00:18:12,362 --> 00:18:14,602 Man: And what were the messages saying? 356 00:18:14,595 --> 00:18:16,765 Um, they was like, "Y´all need to quit playing. 357 00:18:16,767 --> 00:18:18,867 Y´all know who killed Keisha," and all that stuff. 358 00:18:18,869 --> 00:18:20,629 I was like, "Well, hold up. What?" 359 00:18:20,631 --> 00:18:24,641 ♫♫ 360 00:18:24,635 --> 00:18:27,105 That´s when they started dropping, like, names 361 00:18:27,107 --> 00:18:29,177 and, "These clothes were worn, 362 00:18:29,179 --> 00:18:30,809 I know this gun was there," 363 00:18:30,811 --> 00:18:34,141 kind of giving, like, "hints" of who killed Keisha. 364 00:18:34,144 --> 00:18:36,294 ♫♫ 365 00:18:36,286 --> 00:18:37,846 Kalvon: But they was trying to erase it. 366 00:18:37,848 --> 00:18:41,248 But before they erased it, someone screenshotted them 367 00:18:41,251 --> 00:18:42,621 and sent it to me. 368 00:18:42,623 --> 00:18:44,353 ♫♫ 369 00:18:44,354 --> 00:18:45,864 Well, I get up immediately, 370 00:18:45,856 --> 00:18:48,596 and I go to the police station, and I showed them. 371 00:18:48,599 --> 00:18:50,829 I said, "Look at this." 372 00:18:50,831 --> 00:18:52,661 And they had no care in the world. 373 00:18:52,663 --> 00:18:54,673 Whatever information he´s getting, you know, 374 00:18:54,665 --> 00:18:56,805 that is going to be third-party information. 375 00:18:56,807 --> 00:18:58,907 It´s going to be hearsay. 376 00:18:58,909 --> 00:19:02,609 The police have to find a source and see what they witness 377 00:19:02,613 --> 00:19:04,823 at the time that the incident occurs. 378 00:19:06,376 --> 00:19:08,916 Kalvon: The next day, I went back in the police station. 379 00:19:08,919 --> 00:19:10,649 I said, "You´re not going to help?" 380 00:19:10,651 --> 00:19:11,881 He said, "What did we tell you?" 381 00:19:11,882 --> 00:19:13,482 I said, "Last warning. 382 00:19:13,483 --> 00:19:15,293 And I´m gonna ask one more time. 383 00:19:15,285 --> 00:19:16,725 You´re not going to help?" 384 00:19:16,727 --> 00:19:18,827 I didn´t know how to do Facebook Live at all, 385 00:19:18,829 --> 00:19:20,759 because I haven´t been on Facebook in so long. 386 00:19:20,761 --> 00:19:22,731 Like, I was depressed. 387 00:19:22,733 --> 00:19:26,643 So, it said "Live" on my page, so I pushed it, 388 00:19:26,637 --> 00:19:29,537 and it said "Three, two, one." 389 00:19:29,540 --> 00:19:30,900 I said, "In Hollywood, that mean action." 390 00:19:32,172 --> 00:19:33,702 [ Voice breaking ] I´m going live out here 391 00:19:33,704 --> 00:19:36,384 at the Michigan City Police Department 392 00:19:36,376 --> 00:19:38,876 trying to get help for my daughter. 393 00:19:38,879 --> 00:19:41,449 These people won´t help me, man. 394 00:19:41,451 --> 00:19:44,411 These people right here. 395 00:19:44,414 --> 00:19:45,964 I go in here, 396 00:19:45,956 --> 00:19:48,956 they talking about my daughter´s murder online, 397 00:19:48,959 --> 00:19:50,889 and these police still won´t help me. 398 00:19:50,891 --> 00:19:52,921 They ran me out of the police station last night, 399 00:19:52,923 --> 00:19:56,503 told me they can´t do nothing for me, man. 400 00:19:56,496 --> 00:19:57,926 They killed my daughter 401 00:19:57,928 --> 00:20:00,868 four days before her [bleep] birthday, man. 402 00:20:00,871 --> 00:20:02,901 I had to bury her before her 18th birthday. 403 00:20:02,903 --> 00:20:05,443 And these police will not help me. 404 00:20:05,435 --> 00:20:06,935 I got all the screenshots, 405 00:20:06,937 --> 00:20:09,637 and they still don´t want to do nothing about it. 406 00:20:13,443 --> 00:20:16,623 I´m not talking to Detective [Bleep] no more, at all. 407 00:20:16,617 --> 00:20:18,217 ´Cause he do not help. 408 00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:21,290 Somebody gonna help me. 409 00:20:21,291 --> 00:20:25,561 I learned about the Facebook Live from a classmate. 410 00:20:25,556 --> 00:20:28,556 I was in school when this was going on. 411 00:20:28,559 --> 00:20:29,859 And somebody was like, 412 00:20:29,860 --> 00:20:32,460 "Yeah, your dad´s on Facebook right now." 413 00:20:32,462 --> 00:20:34,232 I´m like, "What are you talking about?" 414 00:20:34,234 --> 00:20:38,644 I´m gonna stand out here every single day. 415 00:20:38,639 --> 00:20:40,339 I don´t care. 416 00:20:40,340 --> 00:20:41,570 Kenyatta: That was not the same person that I knew 417 00:20:41,572 --> 00:20:42,772 a couple weeks ago. 418 00:20:42,773 --> 00:20:44,653 Somebody gonna help me. 419 00:20:44,645 --> 00:20:46,945 They talking about my daughter´s murder online, man. 420 00:20:46,947 --> 00:20:50,447 Live, direct, and they think it´s a joke. 421 00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:53,480 For him to, like, one minute just be in his room, 422 00:20:53,483 --> 00:20:55,333 it´s super dark in there, 423 00:20:55,325 --> 00:21:01,255 to, like, now marching, being outside, speaking more, 424 00:21:01,261 --> 00:21:05,341 actually showing emotional, like, energy, 425 00:21:05,335 --> 00:21:07,295 it was amazing. 426 00:21:07,297 --> 00:21:09,367 This is crazy, man. 427 00:21:09,369 --> 00:21:11,599 And I´m gonna keep my camera rolling. 428 00:21:12,903 --> 00:21:15,653 Janice: I was excited that he found the strength 429 00:21:15,646 --> 00:21:18,346 to get up and fight. 430 00:21:18,348 --> 00:21:20,808 It´s ridiculous. 431 00:21:20,811 --> 00:21:22,381 Brother can´t sleep. 432 00:21:22,382 --> 00:21:23,752 I can´t even work. 433 00:21:23,754 --> 00:21:25,824 This is [bleep] 434 00:21:25,816 --> 00:21:27,516 But I was scared because, 435 00:21:27,518 --> 00:21:29,558 "Okay, you are messing with the police." 436 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,760 But I´m like, "Okay, well, maybe this is gonna go somewhere." 437 00:21:32,763 --> 00:21:34,023 Man: We´re here for you, brother. [ Car horn honks ] 438 00:21:34,024 --> 00:21:36,774 Alright, bro. Appreciate you, man. 439 00:21:36,767 --> 00:21:39,767 ♫♫ 440 00:21:39,770 --> 00:21:42,700 It went from me going to the police station 441 00:21:42,703 --> 00:21:44,543 all the time by myself 442 00:21:44,535 --> 00:21:48,835 to 85,000 people watching it live. 443 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:52,739 They was hitting our phones from Dubai and everywhere. 444 00:21:52,743 --> 00:21:56,493 Over 150 kids see my daughter get killed, 445 00:21:56,486 --> 00:21:59,846 and their punk-ass parents take them down there 446 00:21:59,850 --> 00:22:02,650 and tell them not to say nothing. 447 00:22:02,653 --> 00:22:05,033 But what if it was your [bleep] kid? 448 00:22:05,025 --> 00:22:09,455 I had to bury my daughter on her 18th [bleep] birthday. 449 00:22:09,459 --> 00:22:10,729 Somebody gonna help me. 450 00:22:10,731 --> 00:22:12,531 People are, like, actually responding, 451 00:22:12,533 --> 00:22:14,673 they´re wanting to help and everything else, 452 00:22:14,665 --> 00:22:17,335 and I´m like, "This has to do something, right?" 453 00:22:17,337 --> 00:22:22,507 ♫♫ 454 00:22:22,513 --> 00:22:24,343 I couldn´t even cry when I seen my daughter 455 00:22:24,344 --> 00:22:25,824 with that hole in her head. 456 00:22:25,816 --> 00:22:28,846 I couldn´t even cry when I seen my goddamn daughter 457 00:22:28,849 --> 00:22:30,849 laying in the [bleep] casket. 458 00:22:30,851 --> 00:22:32,951 I ain´t cried for a long time. 459 00:22:32,953 --> 00:22:36,663 But yesterday, all that [bleep] on Facebook, 460 00:22:36,657 --> 00:22:38,657 now, that [bleep] made me cry, man. 461 00:22:38,659 --> 00:22:41,559 That done opened up the [bleep] wound again. 462 00:22:41,562 --> 00:22:43,832 While I´m ranting and raving and going off, 463 00:22:43,834 --> 00:22:45,644 and the next thing I know, 464 00:22:45,636 --> 00:22:47,366 the whole front of the police department 465 00:22:47,367 --> 00:22:49,097 was filled with people. 466 00:22:49,099 --> 00:22:51,439 I got people out here supporting me. [ Car horn honking ] 467 00:22:51,441 --> 00:22:54,441 It moved a community. It absolutely did. 468 00:22:54,444 --> 00:22:57,384 And it was a remarkable thing 469 00:22:57,377 --> 00:23:00,947 to see groups assembling outside the police station 470 00:23:00,951 --> 00:23:04,081 in an effort to call out for justice, 471 00:23:04,084 --> 00:23:08,094 for a more thorough investigation, 472 00:23:08,088 --> 00:23:12,858 to breathe life into a case that had gone cold. 473 00:23:12,863 --> 00:23:15,733 Y´all just don´t know the pain this [bleep] is. 474 00:23:15,726 --> 00:23:18,026 Can´t sleep at nighttime. 475 00:23:18,028 --> 00:23:20,128 When you finally close your [bleep] eyes, 476 00:23:20,130 --> 00:23:21,870 you see your daughter laying on the ground 477 00:23:21,872 --> 00:23:23,772 and they covering her up. 478 00:23:23,774 --> 00:23:25,144 And she´s screaming, "Dad, help!" 479 00:23:25,135 --> 00:23:27,005 Help with what? 480 00:23:27,007 --> 00:23:29,577 How can I help? So I know how I´mma help. 481 00:23:29,580 --> 00:23:31,610 I´mma come down here and try to get justice. 482 00:23:31,612 --> 00:23:36,722 Matter of fact, I´m sorry, I´m gonna get justice. 483 00:23:36,717 --> 00:23:38,547 There´s no way they´re gonna sweep this under the rug. 484 00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:40,049 There´s no way they´re gonna be able to. 485 00:23:40,050 --> 00:23:42,420 Too many people are asking too many questions now. 486 00:23:43,453 --> 00:23:45,733 Well, here y´all go. 487 00:23:45,726 --> 00:23:49,856 Somebody with South Bend News said they on they way [scoffs] 488 00:23:49,860 --> 00:23:51,730 and I´mma tell it all. 489 00:23:54,034 --> 00:23:56,114 In 2016, I was fresh out of college. 490 00:23:56,106 --> 00:23:58,966 I was at my first reporting job. 491 00:23:58,969 --> 00:24:02,469 I remember seeing Kalvon´s Facebook Live. 492 00:24:02,472 --> 00:24:05,452 There was so much raw emotion there 493 00:24:05,445 --> 00:24:09,475 and grief and sorrow and anger. 494 00:24:09,479 --> 00:24:11,749 And I wanted to talk to him. 495 00:24:11,752 --> 00:24:13,222 My news director at the time said, 496 00:24:13,223 --> 00:24:15,063 "If you really want to do this, go an hour away 497 00:24:15,055 --> 00:24:17,125 and just get back in time to get it on air." 498 00:24:17,127 --> 00:24:19,927 Every day, you and I click through our Twitter feeds, 499 00:24:19,930 --> 00:24:22,890 scroll on Facebook, or post photos on Instagram. 500 00:24:22,893 --> 00:24:26,173 In some cases, social media is giving victims a voice. 501 00:24:26,166 --> 00:24:30,536 NeKeisha died at Krueger Memorial Park in Michigan City. 502 00:24:30,541 --> 00:24:32,841 Five years of no answers, 503 00:24:32,843 --> 00:24:36,083 her dad always wondering who killed his daughter. 504 00:24:36,076 --> 00:24:37,976 They was like, "There´s nothing we can do," 505 00:24:37,978 --> 00:24:41,248 so I went outside and found out how to go live on Facebook. 506 00:24:41,251 --> 00:24:43,511 Schultz: That video went viral. 507 00:24:43,514 --> 00:24:45,794 It´s online. They talking about it. 508 00:24:45,786 --> 00:24:49,916 Kalvon, to me, seemed like he was not going to stop 509 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,490 until they got an answer. 510 00:24:51,491 --> 00:24:53,761 And I don´t think he can think of anything else 511 00:24:53,764 --> 00:24:55,104 besides NeKeisha 512 00:24:55,095 --> 00:24:57,595 and besides what was happening with her case. 513 00:24:57,598 --> 00:24:59,228 I´m a proud father, 514 00:24:59,229 --> 00:25:02,069 and if I would not do this for Keisha, 515 00:25:02,072 --> 00:25:04,712 I would be less than a man. 516 00:25:04,705 --> 00:25:07,005 Only thing I want is some help. 517 00:25:07,007 --> 00:25:10,277 Period. Point blank. Help me. 518 00:25:11,512 --> 00:25:12,812 [ Voice breaking ] That´s all I ask, 519 00:25:12,813 --> 00:25:15,823 is for some [bleep] help. 520 00:25:15,816 --> 00:25:17,646 I want some help. 521 00:25:17,648 --> 00:25:22,748 Social media proved to be a very valuable tool. 522 00:25:22,753 --> 00:25:24,533 Good morning, Facebook. 523 00:25:26,727 --> 00:25:27,957 I´m at it again. 524 00:25:27,958 --> 00:25:31,258 I got people coming from the La Porte 525 00:25:31,261 --> 00:25:33,561 and everywhere else helping. 526 00:25:33,564 --> 00:25:35,544 Well, my daughter got killed. 527 00:25:35,536 --> 00:25:37,606 This is going out to my daughter´s killer. 528 00:25:37,608 --> 00:25:39,938 While y´all out there playing checkers, 529 00:25:39,940 --> 00:25:42,010 I´m playing chess. 530 00:25:42,012 --> 00:25:43,872 Sooner or later, I´mma get my justice, 531 00:25:43,874 --> 00:25:45,084 and that´s gonna be checkmate. 532 00:25:45,075 --> 00:25:47,175 It led to the chief at the time 533 00:25:47,177 --> 00:25:51,147 to task new detectives with the case. 534 00:25:51,151 --> 00:25:53,081 This is why we´re having this rally today, 535 00:25:53,083 --> 00:25:55,263 because we need eyewitnesses. 536 00:25:55,255 --> 00:25:59,755 We need people to come forward and say, "I was there." 537 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,030 You may have been young back then, and I get it. 538 00:26:04,034 --> 00:26:06,244 You´re a little older now, a little stronger now. 539 00:26:06,236 --> 00:26:08,996 Do you think you can give Detective Ashley, 540 00:26:08,999 --> 00:26:13,339 Detective Painter, some information about what happened? 541 00:26:13,343 --> 00:26:16,253 Jillian Ashley and Anna Painter, 542 00:26:16,246 --> 00:26:18,746 they did what needed to be done -- 543 00:26:18,749 --> 00:26:22,979 not pick up where the investigation left off, 544 00:26:22,983 --> 00:26:25,623 but started over. 545 00:26:25,616 --> 00:26:28,256 Ashley: I´ve never done that before, where I actually took a case 546 00:26:28,258 --> 00:26:31,258 and just said, "Let´s start over." 547 00:26:31,261 --> 00:26:32,961 And along with Detective Painter, 548 00:26:32,963 --> 00:26:36,333 we decided to just pull out case files. 549 00:26:36,326 --> 00:26:38,896 What I pulled out from this case file -- 550 00:26:38,899 --> 00:26:41,799 all of the evidence that was actually collected in 2011. 551 00:26:41,802 --> 00:26:45,142 So, this right here, and I can feel the weight of it, 552 00:26:45,135 --> 00:26:47,635 and this is the automatic pistol. 553 00:26:47,638 --> 00:26:49,308 And it says here 554 00:26:49,309 --> 00:26:53,839 "A small, multicolored, black, brown semi-automatic pistol." 555 00:26:53,844 --> 00:26:56,694 And then it compared its serial number on it. 556 00:26:56,687 --> 00:27:00,087 And it said, "Collected from Cameron Kent." 557 00:27:02,222 --> 00:27:03,892 Can you see that? 558 00:27:03,894 --> 00:27:06,204 Our thought process was starting afresh. 559 00:27:06,196 --> 00:27:08,356 For us, it was taking each person´s statement, 560 00:27:08,358 --> 00:27:10,698 and I think it was like over 140, 561 00:27:10,701 --> 00:27:12,961 and just re-listening to them. 562 00:27:15,836 --> 00:27:22,166 This is a bunch of interviews of all of the ones who were 563 00:27:22,172 --> 00:27:24,752 interviewed back in 2011. 564 00:27:24,745 --> 00:27:27,075 We tried to re-interview just about everybody 565 00:27:27,077 --> 00:27:29,247 that was actually on scene. 566 00:27:29,249 --> 00:27:32,779 At the time of the investigation in 2011, 567 00:27:32,783 --> 00:27:34,383 there was two witnesses, 568 00:27:34,384 --> 00:27:37,794 Skyiesha Pender and Michael Cooper. 569 00:27:37,788 --> 00:27:41,228 Michael Cooper pinpointed who the shooter was. 570 00:27:41,231 --> 00:27:44,191 ♫♫ 571 00:27:44,194 --> 00:27:46,904 Michael Cooper came forward to say, 572 00:27:46,897 --> 00:27:49,737 "I have information about her death, 573 00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:51,300 about who was responsible. 574 00:27:51,301 --> 00:27:55,351 It was a young man whose name is Charles Gerron. 575 00:27:55,345 --> 00:27:56,845 He had a gun that night. 576 00:27:56,847 --> 00:27:59,107 I saw him shoot into the crowd. 577 00:27:59,109 --> 00:28:01,809 And he is the one that´s responsible for 578 00:28:01,812 --> 00:28:03,112 NeKeisha´s death." 579 00:28:03,113 --> 00:28:04,893 Ashley: But Michael Cooper´s statement 580 00:28:04,885 --> 00:28:08,255 was not corroborated at the time. 581 00:28:08,258 --> 00:28:12,358 Charles Gerron was not somebody that was unknown to police. 582 00:28:12,362 --> 00:28:15,032 There was previous law enforcement encounters with him, 583 00:28:15,025 --> 00:28:16,825 even at the young age of 16. 584 00:28:16,827 --> 00:28:19,427 And Skyiesha Pender was at the party. 585 00:28:19,429 --> 00:28:22,229 She heard the shots being fired, 586 00:28:22,232 --> 00:28:24,712 but then she didn´t give any more real information 587 00:28:24,705 --> 00:28:25,905 that could be useful. 588 00:28:25,906 --> 00:28:31,876 ♫♫ 589 00:28:31,882 --> 00:28:34,142 In 2016, Skyiesha Pender 590 00:28:34,144 --> 00:28:36,094 gave that same statement who she was with, 591 00:28:36,086 --> 00:28:38,386 but then trying to get her to talk from there 592 00:28:38,388 --> 00:28:40,148 was a little challenging at first, 593 00:28:40,150 --> 00:28:42,750 but when she began to actually talk, 594 00:28:42,753 --> 00:28:45,263 she gave a very, very useful statement. 595 00:28:46,256 --> 00:28:49,196 In 2011, she was in a relationship 596 00:28:49,199 --> 00:28:51,459 with Charles Gerron. 597 00:28:51,461 --> 00:28:54,741 She said that she was at the party 598 00:28:54,735 --> 00:28:57,235 and that he showed up at the party, 599 00:28:57,237 --> 00:28:59,837 and that after the party broke up, 600 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,370 50 to 75, 100 kids left 601 00:29:03,373 --> 00:29:05,953 and poured out into the parking lot 602 00:29:05,946 --> 00:29:08,746 and into the street and down the street. 603 00:29:08,749 --> 00:29:10,119 And she said she heard the sound 604 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,520 of what she thought were firecrackers 605 00:29:12,523 --> 00:29:15,233 at a distance, down the hill, 606 00:29:15,225 --> 00:29:20,285 followed by three loud, close sounds of gunfire 607 00:29:20,290 --> 00:29:25,140 that she looked directly at and saw Charles Gerron 608 00:29:25,135 --> 00:29:28,495 shooting into the crowd down the hill, 609 00:29:28,498 --> 00:29:32,168 and then turn and run the other direction. 610 00:29:32,172 --> 00:29:34,272 [ Camera shutter clicking ] 611 00:29:34,274 --> 00:29:36,784 She recalled him calling her afterwards. 612 00:29:36,777 --> 00:29:38,977 She remembered just telling him it was over. 613 00:29:38,979 --> 00:29:40,979 And at that moment, 614 00:29:40,981 --> 00:29:46,391 the investigation had what it didn´t have before, 615 00:29:46,386 --> 00:29:50,016 which was a corroborating witness 616 00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:52,360 to another witness´ testimony. 617 00:29:52,362 --> 00:29:59,532 ♫♫ 618 00:29:59,530 --> 00:30:02,370 Ashley: So, after Skyiesha gave us a statement, 619 00:30:02,372 --> 00:30:05,482 we had enough to get an arrest warrant for Charles. 620 00:30:06,837 --> 00:30:12,007 Although we lacked the kind of evidence that we desire, 621 00:30:12,012 --> 00:30:15,392 that being some other physical evidence in the case -- 622 00:30:15,385 --> 00:30:16,985 get the gun, 623 00:30:16,987 --> 00:30:21,117 something physical to tie him to the crime -- 624 00:30:21,121 --> 00:30:22,491 we didn´t have that, 625 00:30:22,492 --> 00:30:26,462 but I knew we had great testimonial evidence. 626 00:30:26,456 --> 00:30:30,026 We had two people whose statements are being provided 627 00:30:30,030 --> 00:30:32,300 independent of each other. 628 00:30:32,302 --> 00:30:34,132 And for that reason, 629 00:30:34,134 --> 00:30:37,014 charges were filed for the crime of murder. 630 00:30:37,007 --> 00:30:39,837 ♫♫ 631 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,870 Hey, you guys, Jessi Schultz here with WSBT. 632 00:30:41,872 --> 00:30:43,372 I´m in Michigan City today. 633 00:30:43,373 --> 00:30:45,553 I´m actually right in front of the police station 634 00:30:45,546 --> 00:30:48,176 because an arrest has finally been made 635 00:30:48,178 --> 00:30:50,218 in the NeKeisha Hodges-Hawkins case. 636 00:30:50,220 --> 00:30:52,280 I couldn´t believe that they found someone, 637 00:30:52,282 --> 00:30:55,492 and that it only took a month after his Facebook Live. 638 00:30:55,485 --> 00:30:58,525 I´d like to thank every seven -- 639 00:30:58,529 --> 00:31:02,429 all y´all, the 17,000-plus viewers 640 00:31:02,432 --> 00:31:06,202 that shared this story to get some help for us. 641 00:31:06,196 --> 00:31:08,896 So, I spoke with NeKeisha´s parents today, 642 00:31:08,899 --> 00:31:11,639 who told me that they just have had a weight 643 00:31:11,642 --> 00:31:13,602 lifted off of their shoulders. 644 00:31:13,604 --> 00:31:16,584 Her father actually told me that last night was the first night 645 00:31:16,577 --> 00:31:19,247 that he´s had a full night of sleep in five years. 646 00:31:19,249 --> 00:31:24,959 For them to say that they made an arrest today... 647 00:31:24,955 --> 00:31:29,385 Best Christmas present you could ever expect. 648 00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:30,919 Charles and them, they used to shoot 649 00:31:30,921 --> 00:31:32,491 over out here all the time. 650 00:31:32,492 --> 00:31:33,622 They were bad. 651 00:31:33,624 --> 00:31:36,174 They used to run around and 652 00:31:36,166 --> 00:31:38,296 shoot and terrorize the community. 653 00:31:38,298 --> 00:31:40,968 Like, people in the community were scared of them. 654 00:31:40,971 --> 00:31:44,231 That´s probably why they were reluctant to come forward. 655 00:31:45,536 --> 00:31:47,106 Ashley: Just because you have an arrest, 656 00:31:47,107 --> 00:31:48,607 that does not mean a conviction. 657 00:31:48,609 --> 00:31:51,009 So an arrest itself is great. 658 00:31:51,011 --> 00:31:52,241 But now you want to see it 659 00:31:52,242 --> 00:31:53,982 actually go through the court system, 660 00:31:53,984 --> 00:31:55,094 and how does that turn out? 661 00:31:55,085 --> 00:31:57,345 ♫♫ 662 00:31:57,347 --> 00:32:00,647 Espar: When the two detectives went out to where 663 00:32:00,651 --> 00:32:03,451 Michael Cooper was now living and working 664 00:32:03,453 --> 00:32:06,963 and let him know that the case had been charged, 665 00:32:06,957 --> 00:32:10,657 they were not prepared for the conversation that followed. 666 00:32:12,002 --> 00:32:13,432 Ashley: He was really reserved. 667 00:32:13,433 --> 00:32:15,473 He said, "I don´t remember a lot." 668 00:32:15,465 --> 00:32:19,305 That´s just a way of saying, "I don´t want to be involved." 669 00:32:19,309 --> 00:32:22,639 Espar: Michael recanted his previous statement, 670 00:32:22,643 --> 00:32:25,183 denied that that truly happened. 671 00:32:26,547 --> 00:32:28,677 He said that, "I made it up. 672 00:32:28,679 --> 00:32:32,449 I told the investigators what they wanted to hear. 673 00:32:32,452 --> 00:32:34,732 I told you what happened five-and-a-half years ago. 674 00:32:34,725 --> 00:32:39,685 You didn´t think what I had to say was strong enough. 675 00:32:39,690 --> 00:32:42,160 Don´t bother me now. I´ve moved on." 676 00:32:43,363 --> 00:32:45,443 And so the detectives came back 677 00:32:45,435 --> 00:32:48,295 to the two assigned prosecutors in the case 678 00:32:48,298 --> 00:32:51,198 to say, "We´ve got a problem." 679 00:32:51,201 --> 00:32:54,511 The loss of a corroborating witness 680 00:32:54,505 --> 00:32:57,475 was devastating at the time to my deputies. 681 00:32:57,477 --> 00:32:59,507 It was, in their mind, 682 00:32:59,510 --> 00:33:02,480 a case that couldn´t be proven at trial. 683 00:33:02,482 --> 00:33:07,062 That one witness, uncorroborated by any other witness, 684 00:33:07,057 --> 00:33:10,757 who didn´t share her truth for five-and-a-half years, 685 00:33:10,761 --> 00:33:12,391 just wasn´t going to be enough. 686 00:33:12,392 --> 00:33:13,762 And I understood that. 687 00:33:15,365 --> 00:33:19,625 That´s where this turn of events had taken us, 688 00:33:19,630 --> 00:33:22,070 essentially back to the beginning. 689 00:33:22,072 --> 00:33:24,372 [ Camera shutter clicking ] 690 00:33:24,374 --> 00:33:27,614 We´re then forced to engage in a conversation 691 00:33:27,608 --> 00:33:30,208 that the defense were looking for 692 00:33:30,210 --> 00:33:33,440 and talking about a crime far less serious 693 00:33:33,443 --> 00:33:35,493 than the crime of murder. 694 00:33:35,485 --> 00:33:38,515 ♫♫ 695 00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:41,319 Do we strike the plea agreement? 696 00:33:41,321 --> 00:33:47,031 Do we dismiss the case and wait for more evidence to develop, 697 00:33:47,027 --> 00:33:49,057 other witnesses to come forward? 698 00:33:49,059 --> 00:33:51,029 Perhaps we´ll recover the gun 699 00:33:51,031 --> 00:33:55,041 that in five-and-a-half years had never been found. 700 00:33:55,035 --> 00:34:01,505 The decision was made for a plea to criminal recklessness. 701 00:34:01,512 --> 00:34:05,122 It was the crime that they thought they could prove. 702 00:34:05,115 --> 00:34:06,645 Ashley: Kalvon told me, 703 00:34:06,647 --> 00:34:08,417 and said, "They´re trying to do a plea deal." 704 00:34:08,418 --> 00:34:10,418 And that was really shocking to me 705 00:34:10,420 --> 00:34:12,250 because once I presented that case, 706 00:34:12,252 --> 00:34:16,562 I felt we had enough to be able to prosecute successfully. 707 00:34:16,557 --> 00:34:19,327 As an investigator, we never really want anything pled out, 708 00:34:19,329 --> 00:34:20,629 because we understand that that means 709 00:34:20,631 --> 00:34:22,831 that the suspect is not going to get 710 00:34:22,833 --> 00:34:26,203 what we believe the suspect deserves. 711 00:34:26,196 --> 00:34:28,136 I´m sure that the family felt the same way. 712 00:34:28,138 --> 00:34:30,498 [ Exhales sharply ] 713 00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:32,740 They talk about some [bleep] justice. 714 00:34:34,545 --> 00:34:37,205 They play with us for five-and-a-half years. 715 00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:41,149 It´s like my baby´s life ain´t worth [bleep] 716 00:34:43,313 --> 00:34:46,663 This [bleep] ain´t over till I say it´s over, man. 717 00:34:46,657 --> 00:34:50,257 ♫♫ 718 00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:52,590 Schultz: Justice -- It´s written on the walls 719 00:34:52,593 --> 00:34:55,203 of the La Porte County Courthouse in Michigan City. 720 00:34:55,195 --> 00:34:57,765 But it´s something that NeKeisha Hodges-Hawkins´ dad 721 00:34:57,768 --> 00:35:00,328 is scared his daughter will never get. 722 00:35:00,330 --> 00:35:02,130 My daughter ain´t fittin´ to die in vain, 723 00:35:02,132 --> 00:35:03,602 and she ain´t fittin´ to be no statistic, 724 00:35:03,604 --> 00:35:05,214 I guarantee you that. 725 00:35:05,205 --> 00:35:06,505 Schultz: Hawkins and his family 726 00:35:06,507 --> 00:35:08,707 thought their agony was almost over, 727 00:35:08,709 --> 00:35:10,539 but Gerron entered a guilty plea 728 00:35:10,541 --> 00:35:13,741 to a lesser charge of criminal recklessness this week. 729 00:35:13,744 --> 00:35:15,724 Hawkins says his fight for justice, 730 00:35:15,716 --> 00:35:18,846 the fight he thought would finally come to an end, 731 00:35:18,849 --> 00:35:20,719 is now far from over. 732 00:35:20,721 --> 00:35:24,321 There´s no reason why my daughter´s murder 733 00:35:24,324 --> 00:35:26,404 should be unsolved, 734 00:35:26,396 --> 00:35:30,256 and 100 to 150 people seen her get killed. 735 00:35:31,902 --> 00:35:35,872 Kalvon and family and support within the community 736 00:35:35,866 --> 00:35:40,736 called for the court to reject the plea agreement 737 00:35:40,741 --> 00:35:43,341 and to let us take our chances at trial. 738 00:35:44,745 --> 00:35:47,815 The judge did not accept the plea agreement, 739 00:35:47,818 --> 00:35:52,618 and as was my decision, we did not dismiss the case 740 00:35:52,623 --> 00:35:55,663 and await more evidence. 741 00:35:55,656 --> 00:36:00,486 It was going to be a tall order to convince a jury 742 00:36:00,490 --> 00:36:02,660 with only one witness. 743 00:36:02,663 --> 00:36:04,773 But it could be enough. 744 00:36:10,541 --> 00:36:13,501 ♫♫ 745 00:36:13,504 --> 00:36:15,784 Espar: The most pressing need to prove this case 746 00:36:15,776 --> 00:36:18,806 was to meet with Michael Cooper, 747 00:36:18,809 --> 00:36:24,379 the other strong witness who had given the statement in 2011. 748 00:36:24,384 --> 00:36:31,524 So we subpoenaed him to produce himself for an interview. 749 00:36:31,522 --> 00:36:34,732 So Michael was ordered to show up in Indiana, 750 00:36:34,725 --> 00:36:36,665 and he didn´t. 751 00:36:36,667 --> 00:36:39,697 How we got him to come around was unconventional, 752 00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:41,670 but it was necessary. 753 00:36:41,672 --> 00:36:45,642 We was able to detain him on something really minor 754 00:36:45,636 --> 00:36:48,376 and bring him back to Indiana. 755 00:36:48,378 --> 00:36:51,738 Once he was actually in Indiana, we went to speak with him. 756 00:36:51,742 --> 00:36:54,822 ♫♫ 757 00:36:54,815 --> 00:36:57,215 Espar: When I sat down with him, 758 00:36:57,217 --> 00:36:58,917 I said, "I´ve seen your statement. 759 00:36:58,919 --> 00:37:02,219 I know what you said five-and-a-half years ago. 760 00:37:02,222 --> 00:37:06,702 I think I know what you must be thinking -- 761 00:37:06,697 --> 00:37:10,297 That you told what you knew, nobody listened, 762 00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:12,430 nobody believed you, 763 00:37:12,432 --> 00:37:16,642 because nobody did anything about it. 764 00:37:16,637 --> 00:37:18,837 But we´re here and we believe you. 765 00:37:18,839 --> 00:37:21,869 And we´d like to have that conversation with you." 766 00:37:21,872 --> 00:37:25,482 In that process, he decided, "I´ll do it." 767 00:37:25,475 --> 00:37:26,975 He´ll talk. 768 00:37:26,977 --> 00:37:29,317 Espar: He told us about what he saw that night 769 00:37:29,319 --> 00:37:33,949 and what he knew about the death of NeKeisha and who killed her. 770 00:37:35,756 --> 00:37:39,626 But the case still needed physical evidence 771 00:37:39,630 --> 00:37:42,890 that may tie Charles Gerron to the crime. 772 00:37:42,893 --> 00:37:48,043 ♫♫ 773 00:37:48,038 --> 00:37:51,798 We never had the strongest of cases. 774 00:37:51,802 --> 00:37:55,012 One of the problems in the case 775 00:37:55,005 --> 00:37:58,875 was that the shooter was identified 776 00:37:58,879 --> 00:38:02,909 as wearing a plaid or checkered shirt, 777 00:38:02,913 --> 00:38:06,463 but the defendant didn´t have that clothing on 778 00:38:06,456 --> 00:38:08,916 that July evening in 2011 779 00:38:08,919 --> 00:38:12,489 when he was being interviewed by law enforcement. 780 00:38:12,492 --> 00:38:14,492 Ashley: His initial interview in 2011, 781 00:38:14,494 --> 00:38:19,634 I remember him coming in a bright green outfit. 782 00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:21,930 Really noticeably green. 783 00:38:21,932 --> 00:38:25,612 We learned of some very good evidence 784 00:38:25,606 --> 00:38:27,676 in the preparations for trial. 785 00:38:27,678 --> 00:38:32,338 I´ll never forget it. This was Friday before a Monday trial. 786 00:38:32,342 --> 00:38:35,922 ♫♫ 787 00:38:35,916 --> 00:38:39,086 As we were preparing the case for trial 788 00:38:39,089 --> 00:38:43,789 and I´m meeting with, for the first time, Skyiesha, 789 00:38:43,794 --> 00:38:45,804 just as a sort of desperate hope, 790 00:38:45,796 --> 00:38:48,726 not with any real expectation, 791 00:38:48,729 --> 00:38:51,729 I asked her if she took any pictures that night 792 00:38:51,732 --> 00:38:54,912 on her phone, and she told me she didn´t. 793 00:38:54,905 --> 00:38:57,935 And one of the facts that I knew of the case 794 00:38:57,938 --> 00:39:01,108 was at the birthday party was this booth 795 00:39:01,111 --> 00:39:02,911 that had been set up for the kids 796 00:39:02,913 --> 00:39:04,723 to have their pictures taken. 797 00:39:04,715 --> 00:39:06,645 [ Camera shutter clicking ] 798 00:39:06,647 --> 00:39:10,617 I asked her if she had taken any photographs with Charles 799 00:39:10,621 --> 00:39:13,951 in the booth, and she said, yes, that she had. 800 00:39:13,954 --> 00:39:15,794 "Do you have those pictures?" 801 00:39:15,786 --> 00:39:19,756 And she said, "No, I threw it out that night." 802 00:39:20,791 --> 00:39:25,041 "I went down to where NeKeisha was dying, 803 00:39:25,035 --> 00:39:30,735 and I knew that it was Charles Gerron who did this." 804 00:39:30,741 --> 00:39:33,471 And she said, "I threw the pictures down. 805 00:39:33,473 --> 00:39:35,553 I just threw them down." 806 00:39:35,546 --> 00:39:37,576 And then I remembered 807 00:39:37,578 --> 00:39:43,008 seeing in my review of the crime scene photographs... 808 00:39:43,013 --> 00:39:45,123 [ Camera shutter clicking ] 809 00:39:45,115 --> 00:39:46,885 ...an envelope 810 00:39:46,887 --> 00:39:52,087 that just a fraction of the photograph could be seen. 811 00:39:52,092 --> 00:39:54,022 ♫♫ 812 00:39:54,024 --> 00:39:57,474 And so I quickly called the lead investigator. 813 00:39:57,467 --> 00:40:00,767 I asked her to meet me at the police station, 814 00:40:00,771 --> 00:40:03,131 at the evidence room. 815 00:40:03,133 --> 00:40:06,043 We pulled out what was in the evidence bag, 816 00:40:06,036 --> 00:40:08,506 an envelope with photographs in there. 817 00:40:08,509 --> 00:40:09,909 And the defendant was there. 818 00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:13,910 He had plaid, black-and-white or gray clothing. 819 00:40:13,914 --> 00:40:19,994 And in that moment in time, the physical evidence 820 00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:27,060 corroborating the testimony of those two key witnesses 821 00:40:27,057 --> 00:40:32,497 was added to the evidence of the trial or of the case. 822 00:40:32,503 --> 00:40:33,903 You can call it a smoking gun 823 00:40:33,904 --> 00:40:37,674 in a case where there was no gun found 824 00:40:37,668 --> 00:40:41,138 because it was just that powerful. 825 00:40:41,141 --> 00:40:43,741 ♫♫ 826 00:40:43,744 --> 00:40:45,754 It was clear, it was strong, 827 00:40:45,746 --> 00:40:47,776 and it was proof beyond a reasonable doubt 828 00:40:47,778 --> 00:40:51,948 that Charles Gerron killed NeKeisha Hawkins. 829 00:40:51,952 --> 00:41:03,832 ♫♫ 830 00:41:03,834 --> 00:41:06,074 Schultz: The courtroom was packed on both sides, 831 00:41:06,066 --> 00:41:09,196 both with the Gerron family and the Hodges-Hawkins family. 832 00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:11,799 You could feel the tension in the air. 833 00:41:11,802 --> 00:41:15,952 ♫♫ 834 00:41:15,946 --> 00:41:17,976 I didn´t miss a day of the trial, not one day. 835 00:41:17,978 --> 00:41:21,948 I was there early every day that we had trial. 836 00:41:21,952 --> 00:41:23,582 The courtroom was emotional. 837 00:41:23,584 --> 00:41:24,964 The Hodges-Hawkins family 838 00:41:24,955 --> 00:41:27,585 had to relive the worst day of their lives 839 00:41:27,588 --> 00:41:29,218 every single day of that trial. 840 00:41:29,219 --> 00:41:32,689 That was the roughest thing ever in life. 841 00:41:32,693 --> 00:41:34,733 We cried in court. 842 00:41:34,725 --> 00:41:37,665 It was hard, but it was therapeutic. 843 00:41:38,699 --> 00:41:41,969 Schultz: I can tell you that Charles Gerron was stone cold. 844 00:41:41,972 --> 00:41:43,802 He didn´t show much emotion. 845 00:41:43,804 --> 00:41:49,584 He showed not an ounce, not one centimeter, of remorse. 846 00:41:49,580 --> 00:41:51,210 He laughed about it in court. 847 00:41:53,043 --> 00:41:56,823 John Espar tried really hard to prove that, you know, 848 00:41:56,817 --> 00:41:58,647 Gerron had a gun beforehand. 849 00:41:58,649 --> 00:42:00,289 He had a gun before the party. 850 00:42:00,290 --> 00:42:02,720 And he brought witnesses up to say, 851 00:42:02,723 --> 00:42:04,223 "Were you there prior to that 852 00:42:04,224 --> 00:42:06,704 when you saw Charles Gerron with a gun?" 853 00:42:06,697 --> 00:42:07,897 And they said yes. 854 00:42:07,898 --> 00:42:09,628 ♫♫ 855 00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:11,260 Prosecutors will try to convince them 856 00:42:11,261 --> 00:42:15,111 that Gerron knowingly fired the gun that killed NeKeisha. 857 00:42:15,105 --> 00:42:19,005 Charles Gerron´s attorney was really trying to prove 858 00:42:19,009 --> 00:42:22,069 that the witness testimony was not credible. 859 00:42:22,072 --> 00:42:23,612 ♫♫ 860 00:42:23,614 --> 00:42:26,284 Skyiesha Pender dated Gerron in 2011. 861 00:42:26,276 --> 00:42:29,276 She says the night Hawkins died, she saw Gerron with a gun, 862 00:42:29,279 --> 00:42:32,579 and then later on that night, she saw Gerron shoot that gun 863 00:42:32,583 --> 00:42:34,633 into a crowd of people. 864 00:42:34,625 --> 00:42:37,885 Espar: The defense that they put forward was to argue 865 00:42:37,888 --> 00:42:40,128 that in our system of justice, 866 00:42:40,130 --> 00:42:43,790 this quantity of evidence or this quality of evidence 867 00:42:43,794 --> 00:42:45,274 is not enough 868 00:42:45,265 --> 00:42:47,795 to convict the person beyond a reasonable doubt. 869 00:42:47,798 --> 00:42:53,198 Kalvon and Janice were scared that they weren´t going to get 870 00:42:53,203 --> 00:42:56,253 the verdict that they had been fighting for. 871 00:42:56,246 --> 00:43:00,746 ♫♫ 872 00:43:00,751 --> 00:43:04,111 When I heard all the evidence and the jury went to deliberate, 873 00:43:04,114 --> 00:43:05,694 I honestly wasn´t sure. 874 00:43:05,686 --> 00:43:07,756 I thought it could go one way or the other 875 00:43:07,758 --> 00:43:09,218 if it was guilty or not guilty, 876 00:43:09,219 --> 00:43:12,319 because they both presented a pretty valid case. 877 00:43:13,994 --> 00:43:17,174 Espar: That´s probably the most anxious time for a prosecutor, 878 00:43:17,167 --> 00:43:19,197 is waiting for the jury to come back 879 00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:21,099 when you´ve done everything you can do 880 00:43:21,101 --> 00:43:23,931 and now it´s in somebody else´s hands. 881 00:43:23,934 --> 00:43:25,384 So you´re waiting. 882 00:43:25,375 --> 00:43:31,935 ♫♫ 883 00:43:31,942 --> 00:43:38,352 ♫♫ 884 00:43:38,348 --> 00:43:40,688 And they said he was guilty. 885 00:43:40,691 --> 00:43:43,921 And my knees buckled. 886 00:43:43,924 --> 00:43:46,204 I was like [exhales deeply] 887 00:43:46,196 --> 00:43:49,226 On my birthday. 888 00:43:49,229 --> 00:43:52,359 A jury has found Charles Gerron guilty of murder 889 00:43:52,362 --> 00:43:56,142 for the shooting death of NeKeisha Hodges-Hawkins. 890 00:43:56,136 --> 00:43:59,036 I did see members of the NeKeisha Hodges-Hawkins family 891 00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:02,069 dip their heads and silently begin to sob. 892 00:44:02,072 --> 00:44:03,972 Charles Gerron seemed calm through it all. 893 00:44:03,974 --> 00:44:06,054 Kalvon: I did this for you, baby girl. 894 00:44:07,417 --> 00:44:09,847 This is the best birthday present ever. 895 00:44:11,221 --> 00:44:14,181 She watched over me the whole time, 896 00:44:14,184 --> 00:44:15,694 through everything. 897 00:44:15,686 --> 00:44:18,186 She can sleep, and I can sleep. 898 00:44:19,229 --> 00:44:21,129 Happy birthday to me. 899 00:44:21,131 --> 00:44:25,741 ♫♫ 900 00:44:25,736 --> 00:44:28,436 Espar: They´re never going to get their daughter back. 901 00:44:28,438 --> 00:44:33,368 The most we could do for them in that moment of time happened -- 902 00:44:33,373 --> 00:44:35,783 finally had happened. 903 00:44:35,776 --> 00:44:40,276 They were finally at a place where they might begin to heal 904 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:45,290 from the unthinkable loss that they have suffered. 905 00:44:47,357 --> 00:44:49,217 I love you. I love you. 906 00:44:54,094 --> 00:44:55,934 I´m going live out here 907 00:44:55,926 --> 00:44:58,096 at the Michigan City Police Department. 908 00:44:58,098 --> 00:45:02,028 When Kalvon utilized Facebook Live to his advantage, 909 00:45:02,032 --> 00:45:04,782 it was a relatively newer thing to do. 910 00:45:04,775 --> 00:45:06,775 I don´t think he even knew what he was doing 911 00:45:06,777 --> 00:45:08,237 or the power that he was harnessing 912 00:45:08,238 --> 00:45:09,738 when he pressed "Live." 913 00:45:09,740 --> 00:45:11,210 And it worked. 914 00:45:11,211 --> 00:45:13,241 Six years of fighting, 915 00:45:13,243 --> 00:45:15,053 and it came to an end. 916 00:45:15,045 --> 00:45:17,345 [ Cellphone chimes ] 917 00:45:17,347 --> 00:45:20,017 Keisha can sleep. 918 00:45:20,020 --> 00:45:21,920 Now I can sleep. 919 00:45:21,922 --> 00:45:24,732 ♫♫ 920 00:45:24,725 --> 00:45:27,955 Kenyatta: Justice was served, and I was happy. 921 00:45:27,958 --> 00:45:30,298 Happy that my family could now heal. 922 00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:32,800 ♫♫ 923 00:45:32,803 --> 00:45:34,203 Justice being served 924 00:45:34,204 --> 00:45:37,814 helped me forgive myself for knowing that 925 00:45:37,808 --> 00:45:40,168 there was nothing I could have possibly done. 926 00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:43,840 Now I don´t have to put on a front anymore. 927 00:45:43,844 --> 00:45:47,154 I can actually try to work through my sadness 928 00:45:47,147 --> 00:45:49,347 and my depression. 929 00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:51,049 I´m never going to get my childhood back 930 00:45:51,051 --> 00:45:52,881 and those lessons, 931 00:45:52,883 --> 00:45:56,363 but now I can actually process 932 00:45:56,356 --> 00:45:58,186 in a very healthy manner. 933 00:45:58,188 --> 00:46:05,838 ♫♫ 934 00:46:05,836 --> 00:46:09,136 Janice: That night, I sat at the end of the street, 935 00:46:09,139 --> 00:46:13,199 and I watched them clean the blood off of the street. 936 00:46:13,203 --> 00:46:15,313 I watched them do everything that they needed to do 937 00:46:15,305 --> 00:46:17,205 pertaining to her. 938 00:46:17,207 --> 00:46:22,077 And I made peace with the fact that she was gone. 939 00:46:22,082 --> 00:46:28,562 So I´ve had that sense of peace since she´s been gone, 940 00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:32,819 because I know that, one day, I´ll see her again. 941 00:46:32,823 --> 00:46:36,803 I do not believe that Kalvon has found the peace that I have, 942 00:46:36,797 --> 00:46:41,027 because it´s hard for him to make peace 943 00:46:41,031 --> 00:46:44,231 with the fact that she´s gone. 944 00:46:44,234 --> 00:46:48,084 When you lose a kid, there is no such thing as closure. 945 00:46:48,078 --> 00:46:50,838 It´s just dealing with it day by day. 946 00:46:53,183 --> 00:46:55,153 Sometimes we talk about Keisha. 947 00:46:55,145 --> 00:46:57,285 Just all the silly stuff that she used to do. 948 00:46:57,287 --> 00:46:58,517 That´s how we remember. 949 00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:00,249 We can be doing something in here, 950 00:47:00,250 --> 00:47:02,120 and one of us will bust out laughing, 951 00:47:02,122 --> 00:47:04,052 like, "Man, that girl was crazy." 952 00:47:04,054 --> 00:47:07,434 And we´ll just laugh. We´ll laugh about it. 953 00:47:07,427 --> 00:47:10,357 We might end up crying, but we laugh. 954 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,560 I miss the laughter. She was so goofy. 955 00:47:13,564 --> 00:47:18,974 It´s very sad not being able to see what she would have become. 956 00:47:18,969 --> 00:47:21,909 Kalvon: Could you imagine her as a relationship counselor? 957 00:47:21,912 --> 00:47:24,882 Every client she had probably would have broke up. 958 00:47:24,875 --> 00:47:27,275 [ Laughs ] 959 00:47:27,277 --> 00:47:28,477 That would have been hilarious, but... 960 00:47:28,478 --> 00:47:30,048 [ Laughs ] 961 00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:31,350 Remember when she used to play basketball? 962 00:47:31,351 --> 00:47:33,921 She was on the court, and she had nice shoes. 963 00:47:33,924 --> 00:47:37,494 She played. She did have nice shoes. 964 00:47:37,487 --> 00:47:38,957 She could play volleyball, though. 965 00:47:38,959 --> 00:47:41,029 She was amazing at volleyball. 966 00:47:41,031 --> 00:47:44,191 Shortest person in the world could play volleyball. 967 00:47:44,194 --> 00:47:49,604 I don´t think he sees the magnitude of what he´s done, 968 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,600 but that´s ´cause he´s in his head all the time. 969 00:47:51,602 --> 00:47:53,342 The moment he gets out of his head, 970 00:47:53,343 --> 00:47:57,353 he can just see how amazing he is. 971 00:47:57,347 --> 00:47:59,077 I was trying to give you the thumbs up. 972 00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:01,209 Kenyatta: He took his circumstances 973 00:48:01,211 --> 00:48:03,411 and literally changed them. 974 00:48:03,413 --> 00:48:06,593 If that´s not inspiration, I truly don´t know what is. 975 00:48:06,587 --> 00:48:09,217 [ Laughter ] 976 00:48:13,293 --> 00:48:25,013 ♫♫ 977 00:48:25,005 --> 00:48:36,515 ♫♫ 978 00:48:36,517 --> 00:48:48,227 ♫♫ 71221

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