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Love Amber. 11 00:00:33,158 --> 00:00:34,909 - Well, my daughter worries a lot, 12 00:00:34,951 --> 00:00:37,078 but I told her everything will be okay. 13 00:00:53,386 --> 00:00:56,806 - This was every parent's nightmare. 14 00:00:56,848 --> 00:01:00,894 - At that particular time, everybody is a suspect. 15 00:01:00,935 --> 00:01:02,228 We're both innocent. 16 00:01:02,270 --> 00:01:03,688 I mean, there's no reason for us to harm our child. 17 00:01:03,730 --> 00:01:06,733 - This individual may have committed this crime before. 18 00:01:06,775 --> 00:01:09,194 Who is in our circle? 19 00:01:09,235 --> 00:01:11,279 Who's around Amber all the time? 20 00:01:11,321 --> 00:01:13,656 - I immediately thought, oh, my gosh, 21 00:01:13,698 --> 00:01:15,116 she was targeted. 22 00:01:15,158 --> 00:01:16,409 - We interrupt this program to bring you 23 00:01:16,451 --> 00:01:18,703 the following News 8 Special Report. 24 00:01:18,745 --> 00:01:21,414 - We feel that this tentatively is going to be 25 00:01:21,456 --> 00:01:23,416 the body of Amber Hagerman. 26 00:01:25,460 --> 00:01:28,838 - The suspect was familiar with not only the abduction site 27 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,091 but the disposal site as well. 28 00:01:31,132 --> 00:01:32,884 - We followed thousands of leads. 29 00:01:32,926 --> 00:01:34,010 What's your name again? 30 00:01:34,052 --> 00:01:35,720 - Not just hundreds, but thousands. 31 00:01:37,514 --> 00:01:39,349 - I believe there are people out there 32 00:01:39,391 --> 00:01:41,267 who know what happened. 33 00:01:41,309 --> 00:01:42,769 - It would mean a lot to be able to give 34 00:01:42,811 --> 00:01:45,772 Donna and Ricky the answer to who killed Amber. 35 00:01:47,774 --> 00:01:50,527 - This is an activation of the Amber Alert system. 36 00:01:50,568 --> 00:01:52,153 - Every time I hear a Amber Alert, 37 00:01:52,195 --> 00:01:55,156 I say to myself, it's time to go to work, Sis. 38 00:01:55,198 --> 00:01:56,616 Do your thing. 39 00:01:56,658 --> 00:01:59,119 - Everybody knows the Amber Alert. 40 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,996 I want the world to know who Amber was. 41 00:02:02,038 --> 00:02:16,344 ** 42 00:02:17,762 --> 00:02:30,066 ** 43 00:02:30,108 --> 00:02:35,155 - I believe this will be my last interview. 44 00:02:35,196 --> 00:02:37,365 I'm tired of being sad. 45 00:02:38,867 --> 00:02:43,580 I'm broken because my daughter's not here. 46 00:02:43,621 --> 00:02:46,332 Normally I don't have a lot of this out. 47 00:02:47,542 --> 00:02:49,753 I normally keep it in plastic totes, 48 00:02:49,794 --> 00:02:51,296 just to keep it safe 49 00:02:51,338 --> 00:02:54,674 and not to get torn up or anything. 50 00:02:54,716 --> 00:02:58,303 {\an8}Everybody knows the Amber Alert and what it's used for. 51 00:02:58,345 --> 00:03:02,057 {\an8}I want the world to know who Amber was. 52 00:03:02,098 --> 00:03:04,642 {\an8}She was my dream. She was my everything. 53 00:03:07,228 --> 00:03:10,023 This dress here is, uh, Amber's dress 54 00:03:10,065 --> 00:03:12,817 that she wore on her ninth birthday. 55 00:03:12,859 --> 00:03:16,529 And I just couldn't seem to give it away. 56 00:03:17,655 --> 00:03:20,950 Special memories, and happy memories for Amber. 57 00:03:20,992 --> 00:03:24,329 * Happy birthday to you * 58 00:03:28,458 --> 00:03:30,835 No, no, never, ever. 59 00:03:30,877 --> 00:03:33,338 I just assumed that he would get caught real quick 60 00:03:33,380 --> 00:03:36,091 and it would be done and over with 61 00:03:36,132 --> 00:03:39,636 but it didn't happen that way, so... 62 00:03:50,772 --> 00:03:53,316 - We started shooting video with 63 00:03:53,358 --> 00:03:56,778 Donna, Amber, and Ricky in August of 1995. 64 00:03:59,739 --> 00:04:03,201 There are probably between 200 and 300 tapes 65 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:05,995 and hundreds of hours of video. 66 00:04:09,708 --> 00:04:11,710 {\an8}I don't know that I have a good answer as to why 67 00:04:11,751 --> 00:04:14,587 {\an8}I've held on to 'em for 25 years. 68 00:04:17,757 --> 00:04:19,551 I think that when you look back on your life 69 00:04:19,592 --> 00:04:24,264 there are a few life-changing moments. 70 00:04:24,305 --> 00:04:28,977 I already knew that this was one of them. 71 00:04:29,019 --> 00:04:31,104 The fact that we had her alive 72 00:04:31,146 --> 00:04:32,856 and people could see her, 73 00:04:32,897 --> 00:04:36,735 usually that doesn't happen in a tragedy like this. 74 00:04:36,776 --> 00:04:39,821 Then we become an important aspect of that story 75 00:04:39,863 --> 00:04:43,366 in deciding whether we were going to release 76 00:04:43,408 --> 00:04:45,243 some of the footage that we had 77 00:04:45,285 --> 00:04:47,495 which was exclusive footage. 78 00:04:55,170 --> 00:04:57,339 Come on. 79 00:05:02,552 --> 00:05:05,138 Richard, please don't. 80 00:05:05,180 --> 00:05:08,391 - At the time I was a single mom with two children, 81 00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:10,602 and I was on welfare. 82 00:05:10,643 --> 00:05:12,854 They asked me if I wanted to be in the documentary 83 00:05:12,896 --> 00:05:17,442 and the documentary is about how women get off welfare. 84 00:05:17,484 --> 00:05:19,986 Let mommy see, Amber. 85 00:05:20,028 --> 00:05:21,446 Oh, you're going to have to color that. 86 00:05:21,488 --> 00:05:24,532 That's pretty. Look. 87 00:05:24,574 --> 00:05:26,451 Happy Halloween. When is Halloween? 88 00:05:26,493 --> 00:05:27,869 Do y'all know when Halloween is? 89 00:05:27,911 --> 00:05:30,705 - What's that? - Um, October 31st... 90 00:05:34,709 --> 00:05:37,420 - Well, they found me at a women's shelter. 91 00:05:39,464 --> 00:05:42,509 - A lot of us who were working moms 92 00:05:42,550 --> 00:05:44,844 felt like that we weren't doing enough stories 93 00:05:44,886 --> 00:05:47,347 about what families were facing 94 00:05:47,389 --> 00:05:49,766 and how to make things better. 95 00:05:49,808 --> 00:05:52,811 We wanted to have someone who fit the national profile, 96 00:05:52,852 --> 00:05:55,855 which was a single mom with two children. 97 00:05:55,897 --> 00:05:58,650 And it was really hard to find somebody 98 00:05:58,692 --> 00:06:00,402 who was willing to do that, 99 00:06:00,443 --> 00:06:02,362 and willing to share their lives. 100 00:06:02,404 --> 00:06:04,072 And I was just about to give up 101 00:06:04,114 --> 00:06:06,449 when I got a call from one-one of my contacts 102 00:06:06,491 --> 00:06:10,036 who said, I think I have somebody for you. 103 00:06:10,078 --> 00:06:11,830 - I had to think about it for a little bit. 104 00:06:11,871 --> 00:06:14,082 But maybe I could help other moms 105 00:06:14,124 --> 00:06:15,959 in the same situation I was in 106 00:06:16,001 --> 00:06:18,336 and get them on their feet like I was getting-- 107 00:06:18,378 --> 00:06:21,506 trying to get on my feet. 108 00:06:21,548 --> 00:06:25,051 When I was 18, I found out I was pregnant. 109 00:06:25,093 --> 00:06:28,388 I was terrified and scared. 110 00:06:28,430 --> 00:06:30,390 I waited 'til she was born, and then I seen 111 00:06:30,432 --> 00:06:33,685 her pretty little face, and that's Amber. 112 00:06:33,727 --> 00:06:35,645 I thought Amber was a really pretty name, 113 00:06:35,687 --> 00:06:38,148 and it just fit her pretty little face. 114 00:06:43,945 --> 00:06:46,531 - I just did a lot of walking in the neighborhood, 115 00:06:46,573 --> 00:06:48,283 with my friends, my girlfriends, 116 00:06:48,324 --> 00:06:49,659 and he was out in the yard, 117 00:06:49,701 --> 00:06:51,327 and we just started talking, 118 00:06:51,369 --> 00:06:53,955 and next thing I knew, we were together. 119 00:06:55,582 --> 00:06:58,126 'Course he was a lot older than me. 120 00:06:58,168 --> 00:06:59,836 He was like 34. 121 00:06:59,878 --> 00:07:01,713 I basically grew up with him. 122 00:07:01,755 --> 00:07:05,675 Then four years later, I got pregnant with Ricky. 123 00:07:05,717 --> 00:07:08,845 It was wonderful. It was awesome. 124 00:07:08,887 --> 00:07:10,764 Amber said, this is my baby, Mommy. 125 00:07:10,805 --> 00:07:12,766 I said, okay, it could be your baby. 126 00:07:12,807 --> 00:07:15,852 So she just kind of put her baby brother under her wing, 127 00:07:15,894 --> 00:07:18,521 and that's where he stayed. 128 00:07:19,981 --> 00:07:21,775 I was living with her father 129 00:07:21,816 --> 00:07:24,611 until Amber was about seven. 130 00:07:24,652 --> 00:07:28,114 Ricky was about two, three. 131 00:07:28,156 --> 00:07:31,117 That's when he really started drinking a lot. 132 00:07:33,495 --> 00:07:37,123 Her father was physically abusive to me. 133 00:07:37,165 --> 00:07:39,459 He never abused my children. 134 00:07:39,501 --> 00:07:41,836 He was just really mean when he was drinking. 135 00:07:43,213 --> 00:07:44,631 He used to go out and hang out 136 00:07:44,673 --> 00:07:46,383 with his friend, Mike Thompson, 137 00:07:46,424 --> 00:07:49,427 and they would party and drink together. 138 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:51,680 And then he'll come home or-- 139 00:07:51,721 --> 00:07:54,724 And then he'll drink more, and get drunk more. 140 00:07:54,766 --> 00:07:56,685 So the neighbors would always call the police 141 00:07:56,726 --> 00:07:58,019 because of the noise. 142 00:07:58,061 --> 00:08:00,647 And the police would always come. 143 00:08:00,689 --> 00:08:03,608 And the police-- the last time the police said, 144 00:08:03,650 --> 00:08:05,485 if we come back here again, 145 00:08:05,527 --> 00:08:07,737 we will take your children from you. 146 00:08:07,779 --> 00:08:10,490 And that's all I had to hear. 147 00:08:10,532 --> 00:08:12,409 - You want some fruit, Richard? 148 00:08:12,450 --> 00:08:13,618 You want some fruit? 149 00:08:13,660 --> 00:08:17,497 - I knew my kids need to be safe. 150 00:08:17,539 --> 00:08:20,208 I just took personal things and just left 151 00:08:20,250 --> 00:08:21,835 and never went back. 152 00:08:21,876 --> 00:08:24,629 And we stayed in my car for like two days 153 00:08:24,671 --> 00:08:26,381 in the parking lot. 154 00:08:26,423 --> 00:08:29,968 I couldn't go to my parents because he would find us there, 155 00:08:30,010 --> 00:08:33,972 and so we just kind of hid out in my car for two days. 156 00:08:34,014 --> 00:08:35,974 And then we went to the women's shelter 157 00:08:36,016 --> 00:08:38,643 and stayed there for about six weeks. 158 00:08:38,685 --> 00:08:40,353 And they helped me get an a-apartment 159 00:08:40,395 --> 00:08:42,355 and get on welfare 160 00:08:42,397 --> 00:08:45,108 and help me get back on my feet. 161 00:08:49,237 --> 00:08:50,572 We were still scared. 162 00:08:50,613 --> 00:08:53,491 And every little sound or every little door knock 163 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:54,868 we would jump to the ceiling 164 00:08:54,909 --> 00:08:56,828 because we didn't know if he found out 165 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:59,122 where we stayed at or whatever. 166 00:08:59,164 --> 00:09:02,000 And it took almost a good year before 167 00:09:02,042 --> 00:09:04,586 we could actually live life again 168 00:09:04,627 --> 00:09:07,047 and be happy again. 169 00:09:12,052 --> 00:09:14,387 - They're having a skating party for school 170 00:09:14,429 --> 00:09:16,306 and that's gonna be $3 apiece. 171 00:09:16,348 --> 00:09:17,724 I can't do that. 172 00:09:17,766 --> 00:09:20,727 {\an8}So they're a little upset about that, you know, 173 00:09:20,769 --> 00:09:23,229 {\an8}but I tell them we'll save money 174 00:09:23,271 --> 00:09:24,773 {\an8}and next time you can go. 175 00:09:25,774 --> 00:09:27,734 - You always have such a positive attitude 176 00:09:27,776 --> 00:09:29,903 no matter how much money you've got in your pocket. 177 00:09:29,944 --> 00:09:31,738 You always tell me you're not worried, 178 00:09:31,780 --> 00:09:33,239 - it'll be okay. - Yeah. 179 00:09:33,281 --> 00:09:34,657 How do you do that? 180 00:09:34,699 --> 00:09:36,493 - It's depressing sometimes but I try not to show it, 181 00:09:36,534 --> 00:09:37,911 especially in front of my kids. 182 00:09:37,952 --> 00:09:39,954 I don't want them to worry. 183 00:09:43,708 --> 00:09:46,920 I was going to school. 184 00:09:46,961 --> 00:09:50,006 I was volunteering at the food stamp office, 185 00:09:50,048 --> 00:09:52,175 and-and my kids were going to school 186 00:09:52,217 --> 00:09:53,968 and they were happy. 187 00:09:55,804 --> 00:09:57,722 - That's actually asking a lot for somebody 188 00:09:57,764 --> 00:09:59,265 to be that open with us 189 00:09:59,307 --> 00:10:01,476 and to share all the hurdles, 190 00:10:01,518 --> 00:10:03,937 the ups and downs and frustrations 191 00:10:03,978 --> 00:10:06,898 and the trials and tribulations that they go to 192 00:10:06,940 --> 00:10:09,776 for people to have a better understanding 193 00:10:09,818 --> 00:10:13,071 of what being in that situation is like. 194 00:10:13,113 --> 00:10:16,199 And so it was a journey that I couldn't have predicted. 195 00:10:16,241 --> 00:10:19,619 I couldn't have known what would happen. 196 00:10:19,661 --> 00:10:21,121 - My daughter worries a lot. 197 00:10:21,162 --> 00:10:22,747 She thinks we are going to run out of money, 198 00:10:22,789 --> 00:10:24,207 don't have no money for this or that. 199 00:10:24,249 --> 00:10:26,459 But I told her everything will be okay. 200 00:10:26,501 --> 00:10:28,128 We'll never starve. 201 00:10:28,169 --> 00:10:31,214 We'll always eat. 202 00:10:31,256 --> 00:10:33,174 - Richard tried so many times for me 203 00:10:33,216 --> 00:10:35,969 to come back and move back in with him. 204 00:10:36,011 --> 00:10:38,179 And I said, no, I cannot. 205 00:10:38,221 --> 00:10:40,140 Because I know what's going to happen. 206 00:10:40,181 --> 00:10:42,308 If I do that, you'll just go right back 207 00:10:42,350 --> 00:10:44,477 to the way you were. 208 00:10:44,519 --> 00:10:47,147 Slowly I let Richard come back into the kids' lives. 209 00:10:47,188 --> 00:10:48,648 Because that-that is their father 210 00:10:48,690 --> 00:10:51,735 and like it or not, that's-- 211 00:10:51,776 --> 00:10:54,070 I had to for my kids. 212 00:10:54,112 --> 00:10:57,824 Amber was still a little leery of him. 213 00:10:57,866 --> 00:10:59,743 She was still a little scared that maybe 214 00:10:59,784 --> 00:11:01,870 he will get drunk again. 215 00:11:01,911 --> 00:11:04,956 But eventually that kind of faded away as well. 216 00:11:04,998 --> 00:11:07,167 And they were okay together. 217 00:11:15,008 --> 00:11:18,720 * Happy birthday to you * 218 00:11:18,762 --> 00:11:22,515 * Happy birthday to you * 219 00:11:22,557 --> 00:11:24,351 * Happy birthday * 220 00:11:24,392 --> 00:11:27,270 - On her ninth birthday, she had all her friends, 221 00:11:27,312 --> 00:11:30,023 and had birthday cake and ice cream. 222 00:11:30,065 --> 00:11:32,609 Make a wish and blow it out, baby. 223 00:11:32,650 --> 00:11:35,570 All right, whoo! 224 00:11:35,612 --> 00:11:37,030 Oh, boy! 225 00:11:37,072 --> 00:11:40,283 - She was just bright-eyed and wide-eyed, 226 00:11:40,325 --> 00:11:42,202 and mouth open like, yay. 227 00:11:42,243 --> 00:11:45,622 - Oh! - Look, sheets for your bed. 228 00:11:45,663 --> 00:11:48,541 - Donna's motivation was that she wanted 229 00:11:48,583 --> 00:11:51,044 to make things better for her kids. 230 00:11:51,086 --> 00:11:54,214 She was very open with us, 231 00:11:54,255 --> 00:11:58,551 and we were part of their family for months. 232 00:11:58,593 --> 00:12:02,847 And you felt like they were just part of mine, too. 233 00:12:02,889 --> 00:12:05,642 - The party's over! - The party's over? 234 00:12:05,684 --> 00:12:07,560 [chuckling] 235 00:12:07,602 --> 00:12:09,062 She's a funny little girl. 236 00:12:09,104 --> 00:12:11,898 She's takes after her grandpa with that. 237 00:12:11,940 --> 00:12:14,651 Um, she always wants to be silly. 238 00:12:14,693 --> 00:12:17,946 Very smart, fun-loving little girl. 239 00:12:53,565 --> 00:12:55,150 - Saturday is our family day, 240 00:12:55,191 --> 00:12:58,069 so we decided we wanted to go to Castle Park 241 00:12:58,111 --> 00:13:01,156 and we played there for a couple hours 242 00:13:01,197 --> 00:13:02,991 and then they wanted to come back here 243 00:13:03,033 --> 00:13:06,244 to granny and pawpaw's house. 244 00:13:06,286 --> 00:13:08,705 It was really nice, warm winter days 245 00:13:08,747 --> 00:13:10,123 that were gorgeous days. 246 00:13:10,165 --> 00:13:13,793 Sun shining and everybody was out and about. 247 00:13:13,835 --> 00:13:16,296 They decided they wanted to ride their bicycles 248 00:13:16,338 --> 00:13:18,131 and I told them it'd be fine 249 00:13:18,173 --> 00:13:21,843 and so once we got here, they run up to the driveway 250 00:13:21,885 --> 00:13:24,012 and said hi to their pawpaw. 251 00:13:26,973 --> 00:13:28,308 And they got on their bicycles 252 00:13:28,350 --> 00:13:30,435 and went towards Claudia Street. 253 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,398 - Me being the little brother, I'm gonna follow her 254 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,942 wherever she goes. 255 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:40,820 {\an8}We would always ride our bikes around the neighborhood, 256 00:13:40,862 --> 00:13:41,988 {\an8}and we did it very often, 257 00:13:42,030 --> 00:13:45,241 so I memorized the neighborhood. 258 00:13:45,283 --> 00:13:46,618 - And I hollered at them and said, 259 00:13:46,659 --> 00:13:49,454 well, y'all stay together and y'all come right back. 260 00:13:49,496 --> 00:13:51,873 And Amber turns around and she looks at me, 261 00:13:51,915 --> 00:13:54,834 okay Mommy, we will. 262 00:13:54,876 --> 00:13:56,920 And that was my last time seeing her 263 00:14:06,638 --> 00:14:07,514 {\an8}** 264 00:14:12,435 --> 00:14:16,189 {\an8}- That day we went to visit our grandparents 265 00:14:16,231 --> 00:14:17,982 {\an8}and, uh, every time we go over there 266 00:14:18,024 --> 00:14:20,068 {\an8}we-we ride our bikes. 267 00:14:22,195 --> 00:14:24,030 {\an8}We would always ride around the block 268 00:14:24,072 --> 00:14:26,574 {\an8}and come back around to Highland, 269 00:14:26,616 --> 00:14:28,410 {\an8}but that day we took a left 270 00:14:28,451 --> 00:14:30,954 {\an8}where we weren't supposed to go. 271 00:14:30,995 --> 00:14:34,582 We went to a, uh, abandoned parking lot 272 00:14:34,624 --> 00:14:37,502 that had a little, uh, ramp that we can ride down. 273 00:14:38,962 --> 00:14:41,172 We were not allowed to go to that parking lot 274 00:14:41,214 --> 00:14:43,633 without someone with us. 275 00:14:43,675 --> 00:14:47,095 But you know, kids, we don't always listen, so... 276 00:14:51,683 --> 00:14:52,892 Something came over me. 277 00:14:52,934 --> 00:14:54,936 I got afraid to get in trouble. 278 00:14:54,978 --> 00:14:57,605 So, uh, I was telling my sister, Amber, 279 00:14:57,647 --> 00:14:59,983 let's-let's go back home. Let's go back home. 280 00:15:00,025 --> 00:15:00,942 She was like, "I'll be right behind you, 281 00:15:00,984 --> 00:15:02,736 "just go ahead." 282 00:15:02,777 --> 00:15:05,155 So, I took off. 283 00:15:05,196 --> 00:15:07,073 And by the time I got home, 284 00:15:07,115 --> 00:15:09,159 I noticed she wasn't behind me. 285 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:14,247 And my grandfather was outside in the garage working. 286 00:15:14,289 --> 00:15:17,334 He asked me where my sister was 287 00:15:17,375 --> 00:15:20,920 and so I told him, "Oh, she's over there at the ramps." 288 00:15:20,962 --> 00:15:23,173 He, uh, grabbed me and put me in the truck 289 00:15:23,214 --> 00:15:25,008 and we went to go look for her. 290 00:15:28,386 --> 00:15:31,890 We just found her bike laying there. 291 00:15:31,931 --> 00:15:36,144 And, uh... 292 00:15:36,186 --> 00:15:38,021 that's where it kinda gets a little hazy. 293 00:16:09,427 --> 00:16:10,679 {\an8}- There was a witness to this, 294 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,848 {\an8}his name was Jimmie Kevil. He was 78 years old. 295 00:16:13,890 --> 00:16:16,351 {\an8}He lived there on Ruth Street. 296 00:16:16,393 --> 00:16:22,232 {\an8}He described the suspect as a non-African American male, 297 00:16:22,273 --> 00:16:24,109 {\an8}less than six feet tall 298 00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:25,527 {\an8}with medium build 299 00:16:25,568 --> 00:16:28,697 {\an8}and clearly of sufficient strength 300 00:16:28,738 --> 00:16:31,449 {\an8}that he was able to pick Amber up off of the bicycle. 301 00:16:31,491 --> 00:16:34,244 Amber's feet never hit the ground. 302 00:16:34,285 --> 00:16:37,288 Kevil also said that he just drove 303 00:16:37,330 --> 00:16:38,915 at what appeared to be 304 00:16:38,957 --> 00:16:43,044 a normal speed across the parking lot. 305 00:16:43,086 --> 00:16:45,213 The patrol officer pulled into the parking lot 306 00:16:45,255 --> 00:16:47,173 because that's where Jimmie Kevil said 307 00:16:47,215 --> 00:16:49,217 that the offense took place. 308 00:16:49,259 --> 00:16:52,220 But as it turns out Jimmy Whitson was there. 309 00:16:52,262 --> 00:16:54,723 He's come up there to get his granddaughter, Amber. 310 00:16:54,764 --> 00:16:57,058 And there's nothing there but Amber's bicycle. 311 00:16:57,100 --> 00:17:01,021 So, you've got what Jimmie Kevil told 911 312 00:17:01,062 --> 00:17:02,856 and you've got what Jimmy Whitson 313 00:17:02,897 --> 00:17:04,399 told the patrol officer. 314 00:17:04,441 --> 00:17:08,403 The patrol officer realizes that we've got a problem here. 315 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,329 - I'll never forget it, telling my mom. 316 00:17:22,083 --> 00:17:24,210 Mom... 317 00:17:30,842 --> 00:17:34,262 My mom coming out the door 318 00:17:34,304 --> 00:17:36,931 expecting all of us to-to be together 319 00:17:36,973 --> 00:17:41,811 and my grandpa telling my mom that... 320 00:17:41,853 --> 00:17:45,940 that her baby girl is gone, 321 00:17:45,982 --> 00:17:49,319 and... 322 00:17:49,361 --> 00:17:52,197 and then she lost it. 323 00:17:52,238 --> 00:17:54,366 - So I immediately started running 324 00:17:54,407 --> 00:17:55,700 and screaming her name, 325 00:17:55,742 --> 00:17:59,871 going towards where she was last seen at. 326 00:17:59,913 --> 00:18:01,331 {\an8}I was just screaming and crying 327 00:18:01,373 --> 00:18:04,292 {\an8}and screaming and crying her name, "Amber! Amber! 328 00:18:04,334 --> 00:18:05,960 {\an8}"Where are you?" You know? 329 00:18:06,002 --> 00:18:08,004 {\an8}And a few minutes later, 330 00:18:08,046 --> 00:18:10,715 {\an8}the neighbors were coming outside, 331 00:18:10,757 --> 00:18:12,676 {\an8}wanting to know what was going on. 332 00:18:19,391 --> 00:18:21,685 {\an8}I immediately called Amber's father 333 00:18:21,726 --> 00:18:23,853 {\an8}at his best friend, Mike Thompson's home. 334 00:18:39,869 --> 00:18:41,454 I'm at home on a Saturday. 335 00:18:41,496 --> 00:18:44,749 It was my day off and the telephone rang 336 00:18:44,791 --> 00:18:46,334 and it was dispatch. 337 00:18:46,376 --> 00:18:50,255 {\an8}There was a possible child abduction 338 00:18:50,296 --> 00:18:54,175 {\an8}on East Abram Street in Arlington. 339 00:18:54,217 --> 00:18:57,012 My mind just goes into overdrive. 340 00:18:57,053 --> 00:18:58,221 Is there a family member 341 00:18:58,263 --> 00:18:59,764 that's come and picked up the child? 342 00:18:59,806 --> 00:19:01,683 Is there a custody issue? 343 00:19:01,725 --> 00:19:05,270 Is it someone that's known to the child, 344 00:19:05,311 --> 00:19:10,275 that has come and-and taken them? 345 00:19:10,316 --> 00:19:12,360 That used to be a grocery store, 346 00:19:12,402 --> 00:19:15,697 and the trucks would pull in and back in. 347 00:19:15,739 --> 00:19:17,866 They'd deliver into the grocery store, 348 00:19:17,907 --> 00:19:20,326 and then of course the ramp was for the workers 349 00:19:20,368 --> 00:19:22,829 to go up and down. 350 00:19:22,871 --> 00:19:25,582 Mr. Kevil lived in this residence right here. 351 00:19:25,623 --> 00:19:28,251 He was in the backyard doing some yard work 352 00:19:28,293 --> 00:19:33,131 and then he heard a young girl scream. 353 00:19:33,173 --> 00:19:36,051 He noticed the pickup truck stopped 354 00:19:36,092 --> 00:19:37,969 right there in that area, 355 00:19:38,011 --> 00:19:39,721 the driver get out of the truck 356 00:19:39,763 --> 00:19:43,224 and grab the girl off her bicycle. 357 00:19:43,266 --> 00:19:45,602 He exited out the north side of the parking lot 358 00:19:45,643 --> 00:19:48,730 and then turned to the west. 359 00:19:48,772 --> 00:19:51,524 The interesting thing about going back to the west 360 00:19:51,566 --> 00:19:55,445 is it's back toward town and it's more congested. 361 00:19:55,487 --> 00:19:59,074 The speculation was that there was a specific place 362 00:19:59,115 --> 00:20:01,076 back to the west. 363 00:20:01,117 --> 00:20:02,786 If he was from out of town, 364 00:20:02,827 --> 00:20:04,412 I think he would have gone to the east 365 00:20:04,454 --> 00:20:08,625 and accessed off of 360 to I-30 or I-20. 366 00:20:12,671 --> 00:20:14,422 {\an8}- I got a call from my husband, 367 00:20:14,464 --> 00:20:16,508 {\an8}and he said, "Donna's looking for you. 368 00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:18,426 {\an8}"She says she needs your help." 369 00:20:18,468 --> 00:20:20,595 {\an8}So I called her at Jimmy and Glenda's house, 370 00:20:20,637 --> 00:20:22,639 {\an8}the grandparents' house. 371 00:20:22,681 --> 00:20:24,516 And I said, Donna, what's going on? 372 00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:27,519 She goes, Amber's been taken. 373 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,729 And my heart just sunk. 374 00:20:29,771 --> 00:20:32,607 I said, Okay, I will be right there. 375 00:20:32,649 --> 00:20:35,318 - My main focus was to find my baby. 376 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:38,446 I wanted to go look for her. I wanted to go. 377 00:20:38,488 --> 00:20:41,199 But my parents are saying, "No, you have to stay here. 378 00:20:41,241 --> 00:20:43,868 "You need to be here if she comes home." 379 00:20:43,910 --> 00:20:45,412 Not too long after that, 380 00:20:45,453 --> 00:20:48,373 Richard showed up at my mother's house. 381 00:20:50,208 --> 00:20:51,710 {\an8}- There's a lot of things moving 382 00:20:51,751 --> 00:20:53,378 {\an8}in the first 15 minutes of the investigation. 383 00:20:54,421 --> 00:20:56,256 At the abduction site, one of the things you do 384 00:20:56,297 --> 00:20:58,258 is you take stock and look around 385 00:20:58,299 --> 00:20:59,718 to see what all is there, 386 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:01,636 and also specifically what isn't there. 387 00:21:01,678 --> 00:21:03,138 Where that truck was sitting, 388 00:21:03,179 --> 00:21:06,516 if there was any dirt that would hold a tire impression, 389 00:21:06,558 --> 00:21:08,351 if the guy had smoked a cigarette, 390 00:21:08,393 --> 00:21:11,604 or anything. There was none of that. 391 00:21:11,646 --> 00:21:13,481 - We looked around the area, 392 00:21:13,523 --> 00:21:16,317 and we noticed that there was a laundromat there 393 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,028 and that there were people coming and going 394 00:21:18,069 --> 00:21:19,904 from the laundromat. 395 00:21:19,946 --> 00:21:21,531 - On the west side of the laundromat, 396 00:21:21,573 --> 00:21:23,408 which is where she was abducted from, 397 00:21:23,450 --> 00:21:24,701 there are no windows, 398 00:21:24,743 --> 00:21:27,412 so no one in the laundromat could see anything 399 00:21:27,454 --> 00:21:29,664 that was going on. 400 00:21:29,706 --> 00:21:32,500 Jimmie Kevil by far, where he was standing, 401 00:21:32,542 --> 00:21:34,627 had the best vantage point. 402 00:21:34,669 --> 00:21:36,463 There's no sense in everybody sitting around 403 00:21:36,504 --> 00:21:38,048 that parking lot because she's not there. 404 00:21:43,219 --> 00:21:44,804 {\an8}- Once the call went out over the radio 405 00:21:44,846 --> 00:21:47,223 {\an8}that we had a child that had been abducted, 406 00:21:47,265 --> 00:21:49,351 {\an8}I started going all over the area, 407 00:21:49,392 --> 00:21:52,228 {\an8}looking for the suspect vehicle, 408 00:21:52,270 --> 00:21:56,524 which was a black single cab pickup truck. 409 00:21:56,566 --> 00:21:59,861 I did pull over a few black pickup trucks 410 00:21:59,903 --> 00:22:02,572 in hopes that I would be able to find the suspect 411 00:22:02,614 --> 00:22:05,408 and find Amber. 412 00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:08,161 - In Texas, pickup trucks are everywhere. 413 00:22:08,203 --> 00:22:09,537 Black pickup trucks, 414 00:22:09,579 --> 00:22:11,915 you don't really realize how many of them there are 415 00:22:11,956 --> 00:22:14,042 until you start looking for them. 416 00:22:14,084 --> 00:22:15,543 They're everywhere. 417 00:22:15,585 --> 00:22:20,215 It helps narrow things down but not much. 418 00:22:20,256 --> 00:22:22,550 When you look at that area of town, 419 00:22:22,592 --> 00:22:24,386 as he goes west on Abram Street, 420 00:22:24,427 --> 00:22:26,096 there's a number of places where he can 421 00:22:26,137 --> 00:22:29,265 get off either into a residential neighborhood 422 00:22:29,307 --> 00:22:30,558 on the south side, 423 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,185 or one of these light industrial areas 424 00:22:32,227 --> 00:22:33,853 on the north side. 425 00:22:33,895 --> 00:22:37,315 - The Browning-Abram area of Arlington, Texas, 426 00:22:37,357 --> 00:22:41,236 it's an area of town where people have owned their homes 427 00:22:41,277 --> 00:22:44,155 sometimes for 30, 40, 50 years, 428 00:22:44,197 --> 00:22:46,574 and so you have a very established group of people 429 00:22:46,616 --> 00:22:47,867 that are living there. 430 00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:50,537 I would not describe it as a high crime area 431 00:22:50,578 --> 00:22:55,583 or a high-risk area necessarily. 432 00:22:55,625 --> 00:22:57,460 - This type of abduction in Arlington 433 00:22:57,502 --> 00:23:00,672 is almost unheard of. 434 00:23:00,714 --> 00:23:02,173 The problem it creates for law enforcement 435 00:23:02,215 --> 00:23:04,592 is you've got to be able to get it off the ground 436 00:23:04,634 --> 00:23:06,594 in a rapid but deliberate manner. 437 00:23:06,636 --> 00:23:08,555 There's not much room for error here. 438 00:23:11,099 --> 00:23:12,142 So I got there, 439 00:23:12,183 --> 00:23:14,686 and I started going under the tape, 440 00:23:14,728 --> 00:23:15,979 and of course the police were like, 441 00:23:16,021 --> 00:23:18,982 "What are you doing?" They had to go ask Donna. 442 00:23:19,024 --> 00:23:21,901 She goes, "No, I want her to come in." 443 00:23:21,943 --> 00:23:24,195 And they were all looking at each other, 444 00:23:24,237 --> 00:23:27,615 "Why is this reporter just walking into the house 445 00:23:27,657 --> 00:23:30,118 "like she knows these people?" 446 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,995 But I did. Uh, I knew them. 447 00:23:32,037 --> 00:23:34,039 I'd been living their lives with them. 448 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,666 We just kept documenting what was happening 449 00:23:36,708 --> 00:23:38,585 and being with the family 450 00:23:38,626 --> 00:23:43,089 and really showing their side of the story. 451 00:23:43,131 --> 00:23:45,967 - On that day, once all the police were involved, 452 00:23:46,009 --> 00:23:48,136 everyone asking me, "Did you see anything? 453 00:23:48,178 --> 00:23:49,637 "Did you see anybody? 454 00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:51,181 "It's very important that, you know, 455 00:23:51,222 --> 00:23:55,935 "if you did see anybody, anything just tell me, 456 00:23:55,977 --> 00:23:58,313 "so we can do something about it." 457 00:23:58,355 --> 00:24:00,523 And I didn't have an answer. 458 00:24:00,565 --> 00:24:03,276 I didn't see anybody. 459 00:24:03,318 --> 00:24:06,613 - If we had only been able to get that word out immediately 460 00:24:06,654 --> 00:24:08,990 then maybe somebody on that street 461 00:24:09,032 --> 00:24:11,910 where he turned would have seen him immediately. 462 00:24:24,172 --> 00:24:25,465 - Amber was abducted at about 3:20 in the afternoon. 463 00:24:30,011 --> 00:24:33,139 Somewhere around 4:30, the police department 464 00:24:33,181 --> 00:24:35,684 contacted the various media outlets 465 00:24:35,725 --> 00:24:37,435 and was trying to get them there. 466 00:24:37,477 --> 00:24:39,437 {\an8}But what I truly wish 467 00:24:39,479 --> 00:24:42,190 {\an8}is that there would have been a method 468 00:24:42,232 --> 00:24:44,943 {\an8}that we could have got more information out faster. 469 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,825 {\an8}- I remember I was in shorts and a T-shirt. 470 00:24:51,866 --> 00:24:54,869 {\an8}On January 13, even for Texas, that's not common. 471 00:24:54,911 --> 00:24:56,788 {\an8}It was unseasonably warm. 472 00:24:56,830 --> 00:24:59,708 {\an8}And I remember being at home and got a call. 473 00:24:59,749 --> 00:25:03,294 {\an8}They said we had a witness saw a girl get abducted. 474 00:25:03,336 --> 00:25:07,007 {\an8}I said, "I'm on my way." 475 00:25:07,048 --> 00:25:08,967 {\an8}I drove down the streets 476 00:25:09,009 --> 00:25:10,927 {\an8}of this little residential neighborhood 477 00:25:10,969 --> 00:25:13,638 {\an8}and I could already see all these TV vans 478 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,974 {\an8}just lined up and I remember thinking, 479 00:25:16,016 --> 00:25:18,351 {\an8}"Oh, my God, this is what they mean 480 00:25:18,393 --> 00:25:20,270 {\an8}"when they say 'media circus.'" 481 00:25:23,857 --> 00:25:27,986 {\an8}- Statistics show that in 74% of the cases 482 00:25:28,028 --> 00:25:31,114 {\an8}where an abducted child is murdered, 483 00:25:31,156 --> 00:25:33,491 {\an8}they're killed within the first three hours. 484 00:25:33,533 --> 00:25:35,535 {\an8}So time is of the essence 485 00:25:35,577 --> 00:25:37,662 {\an8}and getting that information out 486 00:25:37,704 --> 00:25:41,416 {\an8}to the public is just critical. 487 00:25:41,458 --> 00:25:43,335 {\an8}This was the '90s. 488 00:25:43,376 --> 00:25:46,504 The fastest way that you were going to get out information 489 00:25:46,546 --> 00:25:48,173 would be the 6 o'clock news. 490 00:25:48,214 --> 00:25:51,259 And so, of course, there was a lag time. 491 00:25:51,301 --> 00:25:52,302 It doesn't sound like 492 00:25:52,344 --> 00:25:53,636 someone that the little girl knew, 493 00:25:53,678 --> 00:25:55,847 or someone that she was going with voluntarily. 494 00:25:55,889 --> 00:25:58,767 - We set up a command post out by the residence 495 00:25:58,808 --> 00:26:01,853 at her grandparents' house. 496 00:26:01,895 --> 00:26:04,731 The media was responding, huge response. 497 00:26:04,773 --> 00:26:07,650 I mean, every station as far as they could get 498 00:26:07,692 --> 00:26:11,863 had Live trucks there. 499 00:26:11,905 --> 00:26:12,989 One of the things we were doing 500 00:26:13,031 --> 00:26:14,449 is we're trying to keep track 501 00:26:14,491 --> 00:26:15,909 of who was coming to the house, 502 00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:17,243 who was coming to the door, 503 00:26:17,285 --> 00:26:20,455 who knew Donna, Richard and their family, 504 00:26:20,497 --> 00:26:22,624 and what their relationship was. 505 00:26:22,665 --> 00:26:24,542 {\an8}- The police were asking me, you know, 506 00:26:24,584 --> 00:26:26,628 {\an8}who is in my-- in our circle, 507 00:26:26,670 --> 00:26:27,712 {\an8}you know, who's around us, 508 00:26:27,754 --> 00:26:29,255 {\an8}who's around Amber all the time? 509 00:26:29,297 --> 00:26:31,132 Who's around Ricky all the time? 510 00:26:31,174 --> 00:26:33,259 And so, that's when we thought about Pam, 511 00:26:33,301 --> 00:26:34,886 and I was telling them about Pam Curry 512 00:26:34,928 --> 00:26:37,138 and the documentary. 513 00:26:37,180 --> 00:26:40,225 - This is my 1st grade group picture 514 00:26:40,266 --> 00:26:42,477 and these are my friends and Ms. Riley. 515 00:26:43,937 --> 00:26:47,232 {\an8}- Look, what's that thing that goes on it? 516 00:26:47,273 --> 00:26:51,027 {\an8}- We had footage of this little girl alive 517 00:26:51,069 --> 00:26:53,947 {\an8}not some grainy picture that we were gonna slap up. 518 00:26:53,988 --> 00:26:55,907 {\an8}And back then, that's what you did 519 00:26:55,949 --> 00:26:59,077 {\an8}in a tragic news story like this. 520 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,745 That's all the family had to rely on 521 00:27:00,787 --> 00:27:03,707 is to throw up a still picture. 522 00:27:03,748 --> 00:27:06,167 We put together a clip reel 523 00:27:06,209 --> 00:27:09,337 of some of the best identifiable footage 524 00:27:09,379 --> 00:27:11,297 that I had from shooting the documentary. 525 00:27:12,465 --> 00:27:14,426 - It was heart-wrenching, the video was. 526 00:27:14,467 --> 00:27:16,344 I mean it was her blowing out the candles 527 00:27:16,386 --> 00:27:17,762 of her birthday cake. 528 00:27:17,804 --> 00:27:19,681 It was her mom putting her to bed. 529 00:27:19,723 --> 00:27:21,641 It was her playing Ring Around the Rosie 530 00:27:21,683 --> 00:27:23,101 out in the yard with her friends 531 00:27:23,143 --> 00:27:24,769 at her birthday party. 532 00:27:24,811 --> 00:27:26,104 It was her going to school. 533 00:27:26,146 --> 00:27:29,607 I mean, it made her such a person. 534 00:27:29,649 --> 00:27:31,776 I read, um, 89 books. 535 00:27:31,818 --> 00:27:33,194 89? 536 00:27:33,236 --> 00:27:36,948 - I immediately thought, "Oh, my gosh, this is it. 537 00:27:36,990 --> 00:27:39,951 "Someone saw that on TV and that she was targeted. 538 00:27:39,993 --> 00:27:42,120 "You know, they'd seen her on TV." 539 00:27:42,162 --> 00:27:44,622 And they said, "None of it's aired. 540 00:27:44,664 --> 00:27:47,959 "Not one bit of it has aired." 541 00:27:48,001 --> 00:27:51,087 - On the day that Amber was kidnapped, 542 00:27:51,129 --> 00:27:55,258 we had finished the welfare documentary, 543 00:27:55,300 --> 00:27:58,887 and it was gonna be airing the next week. 544 00:27:58,928 --> 00:28:00,972 - Fairy stories. - Fairy tales. 545 00:28:01,014 --> 00:28:04,267 Fairy tales. 546 00:28:04,309 --> 00:28:05,977 - I mean this just touched everyone's heart 547 00:28:06,019 --> 00:28:08,480 and I thought this is the absolute best break 548 00:28:08,521 --> 00:28:10,023 we could possibly get. 549 00:28:10,065 --> 00:28:12,150 Because everyone's going to remember this now. 550 00:28:15,945 --> 00:28:17,113 {\an8}I won't say it threw us, 551 00:28:17,155 --> 00:28:22,327 {\an8}but it was something that was highly unusual. 552 00:28:22,369 --> 00:28:24,496 {\an8}We had never been on a case where somebody had already had 553 00:28:24,537 --> 00:28:25,914 {\an8}a television crew following them around 554 00:28:25,955 --> 00:28:28,375 {\an8}taking footage of it. 555 00:28:28,416 --> 00:28:30,585 And we used that footage not only to try 556 00:28:30,627 --> 00:28:33,713 and give people an idea of what Amber looked like, 557 00:28:33,755 --> 00:28:37,926 but also the idea of who Amber was. 558 00:28:37,967 --> 00:28:39,844 - Having the footage of Amber 559 00:28:39,886 --> 00:28:42,847 really showed the community 560 00:28:42,889 --> 00:28:45,308 the person they needed to track down 561 00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:48,103 if they see the black pickup truck 562 00:28:48,144 --> 00:28:49,688 and here's what she looks like 563 00:28:49,729 --> 00:28:53,024 and her mannerisms. 564 00:28:53,066 --> 00:28:56,444 - That made a tremendous impact 565 00:28:56,486 --> 00:28:58,029 on the community. 566 00:29:03,576 --> 00:29:06,162 - Eventually there were just cameras everywhere. 567 00:29:06,204 --> 00:29:09,833 Everywhere I turned there was a camera in my face. 568 00:29:09,874 --> 00:29:11,960 Don't hurt my baby. Please. 569 00:29:12,002 --> 00:29:14,045 She's just an innocent child. 570 00:29:14,087 --> 00:29:18,341 Please. Please bring her home safe. 571 00:29:18,383 --> 00:29:19,884 Please. 572 00:29:19,926 --> 00:29:22,345 {\an8}- If anybody out there's seen anything, 573 00:29:22,387 --> 00:29:25,015 {\an8}call the police, tell them, let them know. 574 00:29:25,056 --> 00:29:28,435 {\an8}- I was on every camera I could find 575 00:29:28,476 --> 00:29:32,147 {\an8}begging, "Please, let my little girl go." 576 00:29:36,901 --> 00:29:38,111 You know, she's smart. 577 00:29:38,153 --> 00:29:41,156 She could find her way home, just let her go. 578 00:29:45,076 --> 00:29:47,454 I didn't eat, I couldn't sleep, 579 00:29:47,495 --> 00:29:52,792 I couldn't do anything but watch the TV, 580 00:29:52,834 --> 00:29:57,088 beg for him to let her come back home. 581 00:29:57,130 --> 00:29:58,340 - Just waiting for her to come in the door 582 00:29:58,381 --> 00:30:01,718 any minute now, which is hard. 583 00:30:03,303 --> 00:30:06,181 - It was just a lot of sitting and waiting 584 00:30:06,222 --> 00:30:09,768 and just gut-wrenching. 585 00:30:09,809 --> 00:30:13,396 It was a helplessness, a hopeful still. 586 00:30:13,438 --> 00:30:18,360 But she couldn't do anything but just be there. 587 00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:23,782 What started out as a welfare documentary 588 00:30:23,823 --> 00:30:28,161 that was really focused on Donna and Amber and Ricky, 589 00:30:28,203 --> 00:30:31,164 turned into a real true-crime documentary. 590 00:30:36,836 --> 00:30:41,091 {\an8}- We started getting tips and leads on Amber's abduction 591 00:30:41,132 --> 00:30:42,801 {\an8}almost immediately. 592 00:30:42,842 --> 00:30:44,219 {\an8}As soon as it hit the news, 593 00:30:44,260 --> 00:30:47,013 {\an8}people started calling in with leads. 594 00:30:47,055 --> 00:30:48,473 {\an8}What's your name again? 595 00:30:48,515 --> 00:30:52,102 {\an8}- We never anticipated the number of leads 596 00:30:52,143 --> 00:30:54,646 {\an8}and calls from the general public 597 00:30:54,688 --> 00:30:58,566 {\an8}that we were going to get. 598 00:30:58,608 --> 00:31:01,069 - And then they were also talking to anybody 599 00:31:01,111 --> 00:31:04,322 who they considered to be, you know, 600 00:31:04,364 --> 00:31:05,657 involved with the family, 601 00:31:05,699 --> 00:31:09,661 which included me and my photographers. 602 00:31:09,703 --> 00:31:11,579 - The people from the television affiliate, 603 00:31:11,621 --> 00:31:15,000 they had quite a bit of footage of her, and of course, 604 00:31:15,041 --> 00:31:16,292 one of the things you've got to do 605 00:31:16,334 --> 00:31:18,837 in any investigation is find out who they are 606 00:31:18,878 --> 00:31:23,425 because at that particular time everybody is a suspect. 607 00:31:23,466 --> 00:31:25,510 - It was still a little intimidating 608 00:31:25,552 --> 00:31:27,262 that you had to go through that. 609 00:31:27,303 --> 00:31:30,765 But you wanted to do what you could to help. 610 00:31:30,807 --> 00:31:32,183 - We identified who they were 611 00:31:32,225 --> 00:31:33,977 and interviewed several of them. 612 00:31:34,019 --> 00:31:35,145 There was no question in our mind 613 00:31:35,186 --> 00:31:37,689 that whoever took her had nothing to do 614 00:31:37,731 --> 00:31:40,567 with that television crew. 615 00:31:42,694 --> 00:31:44,070 I am hopeful. 616 00:31:44,112 --> 00:31:47,449 I pray all the time that the little girl won't be hurt. 617 00:31:47,490 --> 00:31:51,536 That's all we got to live on right now is prayer. 618 00:31:51,578 --> 00:31:53,329 - I have a five-year-old and a 20-month-old 619 00:31:53,371 --> 00:31:56,374 and I just-- I can't imagine it. 620 00:31:56,416 --> 00:32:00,170 - I think she's probably really, really scared. 621 00:32:00,211 --> 00:32:02,172 I'm just sitting tight. 622 00:32:02,213 --> 00:32:03,715 I don't know what to do. 623 00:32:03,757 --> 00:32:05,717 You know, I want to help and I want to go get her 624 00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:07,093 but I can't get her. 625 00:32:07,135 --> 00:32:08,720 You know, I don't know where she's at. 626 00:32:15,602 --> 00:32:18,063 {\an8}- It was like, I think, you know, 627 00:32:18,104 --> 00:32:20,982 {\an8}two or three weeks prior to 628 00:32:21,024 --> 00:32:22,484 {\an8}but we didn't get along at that time 629 00:32:22,525 --> 00:32:29,532 {\an8}so we did mostly just phone conversations. 630 00:32:29,574 --> 00:32:32,077 {\an8}- I met Richard that night when Amber was kidnapped. 631 00:32:32,118 --> 00:32:35,080 {\an8}It was a little bit of a tense situation 632 00:32:35,121 --> 00:32:37,957 {\an8}because he didn't know what I was doing. 633 00:32:37,999 --> 00:32:41,294 {\an8}He was a little leery of that, as I'm sure anybody would be 634 00:32:41,336 --> 00:32:43,588 {\an8}but we just kept doing what we'd been doing 635 00:32:43,630 --> 00:32:45,173 {\an8}for so many months. 636 00:32:53,890 --> 00:32:57,936 {\an8}- No, no. It-it wasn't abusive. 637 00:32:57,977 --> 00:32:59,229 {\an8}You know, I may have yelled. 638 00:32:59,270 --> 00:33:01,189 {\an8}I may have yelled in the past, 639 00:33:01,231 --> 00:33:03,817 {\an8}but my dad yelled at me and he yelled a-at my mom. 640 00:33:03,858 --> 00:33:05,694 {\an8}That's two people trying to work something out. 641 00:33:05,735 --> 00:33:07,445 {\an8}- One of the things that is critical 642 00:33:07,487 --> 00:33:09,614 {\an8}in the opening phases of the investigation 643 00:33:09,656 --> 00:33:13,284 {\an8}is to try and establish the family dynamics. 644 00:33:13,326 --> 00:33:17,664 {\an8}Amber's gone but we don't know who took her. 645 00:33:17,706 --> 00:33:20,000 - Richard and I, at the time, we were battling 646 00:33:20,041 --> 00:33:21,960 and we were not getting along. 647 00:33:22,002 --> 00:33:24,796 And he was angry with me for leaving him. 648 00:33:24,838 --> 00:33:28,174 - Nowadays standards, an argument is-is violence. 649 00:33:28,216 --> 00:33:30,301 And that's not-- to me, that's not true. 650 00:33:30,343 --> 00:33:31,720 An argument's an argument. 651 00:33:31,761 --> 00:33:33,596 - All of these investigative things 652 00:33:33,638 --> 00:33:34,723 come into play. 653 00:33:34,764 --> 00:33:37,559 It's not a very kind world to live in. 654 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,937 {\an8}The dad's out of the picture, where was he? 655 00:33:40,979 --> 00:33:41,980 {\an8}Who does he know? 656 00:33:42,022 --> 00:33:43,273 {\an8}You have to just suspect anything 657 00:33:49,738 --> 00:33:49,988 {\an8}** 658 00:33:51,197 --> 00:33:52,490 {\an8}We're both innocent. 659 00:33:52,532 --> 00:33:53,783 {\an8}I mean, there's no reason for us to harm our child. 660 00:33:53,825 --> 00:33:56,369 {\an8}We want our child back. We want our child found. 661 00:34:01,541 --> 00:34:04,252 - Friends and family continue to post notices 662 00:34:04,294 --> 00:34:07,005 and seek clues in the search for Amber. 663 00:34:07,047 --> 00:34:09,424 - We're more upset because there's nothing we can do. 664 00:34:09,466 --> 00:34:11,051 Nobody knows anything. That's the thing. 665 00:34:11,092 --> 00:34:14,804 We can't do anything. You don't know where to look. 666 00:34:19,893 --> 00:34:25,648 {\an8}- Day three, we did not have an individual identified. 667 00:34:25,690 --> 00:34:27,859 {\an8}Of course, in any investigation like this 668 00:34:27,901 --> 00:34:30,612 {\an8}you start at the core and work out. 669 00:34:30,653 --> 00:34:32,989 {\an8}- Less than one percent of child abduction cases 670 00:34:33,031 --> 00:34:36,659 {\an8}in the United States, are stranger abductions, 671 00:34:36,701 --> 00:34:39,871 {\an8}children who are taken by someone that they do not know. 672 00:34:39,913 --> 00:34:43,124 The majority of the cases in this country 673 00:34:43,166 --> 00:34:45,585 are family abductions. 674 00:34:45,627 --> 00:34:47,837 - We're trying to identify Richard's movements 675 00:34:47,879 --> 00:34:50,298 for January the 13th. 676 00:34:50,340 --> 00:34:52,592 He told us that-- in the afternoon 677 00:34:52,634 --> 00:34:54,427 that he went down to the mini warehouse, 678 00:34:54,469 --> 00:34:57,138 going to one of the stalls. 679 00:34:57,180 --> 00:35:00,100 - And we got him on surveillance video 680 00:35:00,141 --> 00:35:01,476 not a care in the world, 681 00:35:01,518 --> 00:35:05,689 no idea that anything amiss had happened 682 00:35:05,730 --> 00:35:07,148 but we went down to the mini warehouse 683 00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:08,316 and searched it anyway 684 00:35:08,358 --> 00:35:10,860 and of course there was nothing there. 685 00:35:10,902 --> 00:35:12,529 {\an8}- So without a doubt, we were able to 686 00:35:12,570 --> 00:35:14,489 {\an8}eliminate Richard as a suspect, 687 00:35:14,531 --> 00:35:16,908 {\an8}because of him being on video at another location, 688 00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:19,494 {\an8}and he physically could not have been at the location 689 00:35:19,536 --> 00:35:22,497 {\an8}to abduct his daughter. 690 00:35:22,539 --> 00:35:24,708 {\an8}- For a split second, I did think 691 00:35:24,749 --> 00:35:28,128 {\an8}Richard might have had something to do with it. 692 00:35:28,169 --> 00:35:31,506 Once Richard got there, when I seen him face-to-face 693 00:35:31,548 --> 00:35:34,759 and how much shock he was in that Amber was taken 694 00:35:34,801 --> 00:35:37,595 and how confused he was, how can this happen, 695 00:35:37,637 --> 00:35:38,763 and I knew right then and there 696 00:35:38,805 --> 00:35:42,183 that he had nothing to do with it. 697 00:35:42,225 --> 00:35:45,061 - I will say this for him, that when he was interviewed 698 00:35:45,103 --> 00:35:46,855 he bared his soul. 699 00:35:46,896 --> 00:35:51,401 I mean he just, anything we asked he told us 700 00:35:51,443 --> 00:35:53,653 because he didn't want us wasting time on that. 701 00:35:53,695 --> 00:35:55,655 And the best way to get away from that 702 00:35:55,697 --> 00:35:59,868 is to tell us anything and everything we need to know. 703 00:35:59,909 --> 00:36:01,536 - Amber, baby, if you're seeing me, 704 00:36:01,578 --> 00:36:03,747 if you hear Daddy, we love you, 705 00:36:03,788 --> 00:36:10,378 Mommy loves you. Miss you, 706 00:36:10,420 --> 00:36:13,923 we need you-- need you to come home. 707 00:36:13,965 --> 00:36:16,343 - I remember thinking that that must have been 708 00:36:16,384 --> 00:36:17,969 so hard for her. 709 00:36:18,011 --> 00:36:22,223 {\an8}Given that theirs had not been, from what she told me, 710 00:36:22,265 --> 00:36:24,392 {\an8}an amicable parting. 711 00:36:24,434 --> 00:36:29,105 {\an8}And so I think she just kept focused on 712 00:36:29,147 --> 00:36:30,565 {\an8}what needed to be done. 713 00:36:30,607 --> 00:36:34,527 {\an8}And she didn't really let any of that get in her way. 714 00:36:36,279 --> 00:36:37,572 I did love him at one point 715 00:36:37,614 --> 00:36:40,241 and he is the father of my two children. 716 00:36:40,283 --> 00:36:43,536 I think he knew in his mind that he-- 717 00:36:43,578 --> 00:36:44,746 he should be there 718 00:36:44,788 --> 00:36:49,459 and he should help support me a-and Ricky. 719 00:36:49,501 --> 00:36:51,544 - It's very typical for law enforcement 720 00:36:51,586 --> 00:36:54,589 to immediately interview the family 721 00:36:54,631 --> 00:36:56,925 after a child abduction case. 722 00:36:56,966 --> 00:37:01,971 And then quickly eliminate them and then work on other people 723 00:37:02,013 --> 00:37:05,100 that may have had some sort of interaction 724 00:37:05,141 --> 00:37:08,478 with the child. 725 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,772 - Even though you have every indication, 726 00:37:10,814 --> 00:37:14,526 at least initially that this was a stranger abduction, 727 00:37:14,567 --> 00:37:17,112 it doesn't mean that you can just walk away 728 00:37:17,153 --> 00:37:19,531 from other potential leads. 729 00:37:21,408 --> 00:37:22,784 {\an8}- One of the other things that we look at 730 00:37:22,826 --> 00:37:24,285 {\an8}is the friends of the family. 731 00:37:24,327 --> 00:37:29,040 {\an8}In this case there was a man named Mike Thompson. 732 00:37:29,082 --> 00:37:31,292 {\an8}- There were people that immediately 733 00:37:31,334 --> 00:37:32,836 {\an8}voiced suspicion about him 734 00:37:32,877 --> 00:37:34,087 {\an8}when they heard what had happened 735 00:37:34,129 --> 00:37:35,964 {\an8}that there might be some involvement there. 736 00:37:37,757 --> 00:37:40,051 {\an8}- We're going to take Mr. Thompson with us for a while 737 00:37:40,093 --> 00:37:41,886 {\an8}and we're going to talk to him some more. 738 00:37:41,928 --> 00:37:44,389 {\an8}- Mike Thompson was frequently part-- 739 00:37:44,431 --> 00:37:46,141 {\an8}part of kind of the family outings 740 00:37:46,182 --> 00:37:47,642 {\an8}and things like that. 741 00:37:47,684 --> 00:37:50,353 {\an8}He kind of held himself out to be a family spokesperson 742 00:37:50,395 --> 00:37:51,813 {\an8}if needed. 743 00:37:51,855 --> 00:37:53,857 {\an8}- You're here and you're not hearing anything. 744 00:37:53,898 --> 00:37:57,068 {\an8}It's frustrating and for Donna it's more frustrating 745 00:37:57,110 --> 00:37:59,779 {\an8}than to the rest of us. 746 00:37:59,821 --> 00:38:01,823 - Especially in high profile crime, 747 00:38:01,865 --> 00:38:03,199 if we've got someone who is trying to 748 00:38:03,241 --> 00:38:05,201 actively insert themselves into the investigation, 749 00:38:05,243 --> 00:38:09,497 one of the first things I want to know is, why? 750 00:38:09,539 --> 00:38:10,790 One of the things that we learned 751 00:38:10,832 --> 00:38:12,083 in interviewing Mike Thompson 752 00:38:12,125 --> 00:38:16,546 is that he also drove a black truck. 753 00:38:16,588 --> 00:38:18,882 - I've got a black truck so, you know, 754 00:38:18,923 --> 00:38:21,051 they automatically they have to look. 755 00:38:21,092 --> 00:38:24,054 I welcome the-the opportunity to, uh, you know, 756 00:38:24,095 --> 00:38:25,055 do whatever is necessary 757 00:38:25,096 --> 00:38:26,222 to show 'em that they're looking 758 00:38:31,728 --> 00:38:32,896 {\an8}** 759 00:38:38,026 --> 00:38:40,111 {\an8}- We've got certainly a group of potential suspects 760 00:38:40,153 --> 00:38:42,697 {\an8}we've identified and people that we're checking on, 761 00:38:42,739 --> 00:38:44,574 {\an8}but whether one of those is an actual suspect 762 00:38:44,616 --> 00:38:47,952 {\an8}or not it's too early to say. 763 00:38:47,994 --> 00:38:50,413 {\an8}- When Amber was abducted, there were a lot of people 764 00:38:50,455 --> 00:38:51,623 {\an8}coming in and going 765 00:38:51,664 --> 00:38:53,208 {\an8}and I was just kind of looking at people. 766 00:38:53,249 --> 00:38:55,877 {\an8}You know, do you know where my baby is? 767 00:38:55,919 --> 00:38:58,088 {\an8}I wanted answers. I wanted my baby back home. 768 00:39:03,968 --> 00:39:06,304 {\an8}- Police are still talking with family and friends, 769 00:39:06,346 --> 00:39:07,806 {\an8}most recently Mike Thompson. 770 00:39:07,847 --> 00:39:09,808 {\an8}Amber's father stays with Thompson, 771 00:39:09,849 --> 00:39:14,104 {\an8}who also drives a black pickup truck. 772 00:39:14,145 --> 00:39:16,815 {\an8}- Now, how do you know Richard and Donna? 773 00:39:16,856 --> 00:39:18,066 {\an8}- I mean, we've just always been, 774 00:39:18,108 --> 00:39:20,151 {\an8}not just a working relationship, but you know, 775 00:39:20,193 --> 00:39:22,987 {\an8}our friendship develops and, uh, you're there for each other. 776 00:39:23,029 --> 00:39:25,031 - When you heard the description was a black truck, 777 00:39:25,073 --> 00:39:26,866 did-did you suddenly have the reaction of, 778 00:39:26,908 --> 00:39:29,077 "Oh, why did it have to be a black truck?" 779 00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:30,495 - I mean, everybody's focusing on it now, 780 00:39:30,537 --> 00:39:32,789 but you know, I got people, oh, there's a black truck 781 00:39:32,831 --> 00:39:34,791 and I'm going, the funny part about it, 782 00:39:34,833 --> 00:39:36,501 when I first got here on the scene, 783 00:39:36,543 --> 00:39:38,461 the first thing Saturday afternoon, 784 00:39:38,503 --> 00:39:40,755 there's cops all over here. 785 00:39:40,797 --> 00:39:42,007 And I'm never once questioned. 786 00:39:42,048 --> 00:39:44,718 I'm never once asked about my black truck, 787 00:39:44,759 --> 00:39:48,096 never, until sometime late Sunday. 788 00:39:48,138 --> 00:39:50,348 - Mike Thompson drove a delivery truck 789 00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:51,850 and delivered auto parts. 790 00:39:51,891 --> 00:39:53,935 {\an8}And every time he made a delivery, 791 00:39:53,977 --> 00:39:55,645 {\an8}there was a time stamp. 792 00:39:55,687 --> 00:39:58,189 {\an8}And on January the 13th, 793 00:39:58,231 --> 00:40:02,527 {\an8}he was 30 minutes, 45 minutes away. 794 00:40:02,569 --> 00:40:03,987 The other part about it was, 795 00:40:04,029 --> 00:40:06,364 Mike Thompson was friends with Richard. 796 00:40:06,406 --> 00:40:08,533 If he wanted to get Amber in the car with him, 797 00:40:08,575 --> 00:40:11,995 all he had to do would've been just pull up and ask her. 798 00:40:12,037 --> 00:40:14,372 - Had it been someone that she knew, 799 00:40:14,414 --> 00:40:16,458 why do the blitz attack? 800 00:40:16,499 --> 00:40:20,378 There was no attempt at all to engage Amber in conversation 801 00:40:20,420 --> 00:40:22,255 according to Jimmie Kevil. 802 00:40:22,297 --> 00:40:25,383 That's another reason why we believe that 803 00:40:25,425 --> 00:40:26,343 it was a stranger, 804 00:40:26,384 --> 00:40:28,720 someone that was unknown to Amber. 805 00:40:28,762 --> 00:40:31,056 This type of abduction is rare. 806 00:40:31,097 --> 00:40:34,601 And of course, on one hand that's good because, you know, 807 00:40:34,642 --> 00:40:36,770 it means the community's a little safer. 808 00:40:36,811 --> 00:40:40,774 On the other hand, the case incensed the community. 809 00:40:40,815 --> 00:40:43,485 {\an8}- This took over pretty much every aspect 810 00:40:43,526 --> 00:40:44,986 {\an8}of the city and community. 811 00:40:45,028 --> 00:40:47,572 {\an8}It was all about Amber. 812 00:40:47,614 --> 00:40:49,783 It wasn't just her neighborhood. 813 00:40:49,824 --> 00:40:53,495 It was the entire city just covered in pink bows. 814 00:40:53,536 --> 00:40:56,831 You saw them all over trees and street signs. 815 00:40:56,873 --> 00:40:59,584 It was all anyone could talk about. 816 00:40:59,626 --> 00:41:02,962 - The community really cared about my little girl 817 00:41:03,004 --> 00:41:05,757 and what happened to her. 818 00:41:05,799 --> 00:41:07,008 The waiting's really killing me. 819 00:41:07,050 --> 00:41:08,968 It's hard to wait. 820 00:41:09,010 --> 00:41:12,347 But I know I have to keep strong for my little girl. 821 00:41:12,389 --> 00:41:16,434 - I just hope she's okay and she can come back real soon. 822 00:41:16,476 --> 00:41:18,770 We-we all miss her a lot. 823 00:41:18,812 --> 00:41:20,105 - How could they not see something? 824 00:41:20,146 --> 00:41:24,067 Look how busy this street is! 825 00:41:24,109 --> 00:41:28,363 {\an8}- You see the fear in their eyes and as a detective, 826 00:41:28,405 --> 00:41:31,116 {\an8}as an investigator, as a police officer, 827 00:41:31,157 --> 00:41:32,992 {\an8}it's very frustrating 828 00:41:33,034 --> 00:41:36,454 {\an8}because you want to be able to take that fear way. 829 00:41:36,496 --> 00:41:40,500 {\an8}You want to be able to solve that crime. 830 00:41:43,545 --> 00:41:46,297 {\an8}- We knew that a task force needed to be formed 831 00:41:46,339 --> 00:41:49,134 {\an8}that could control the leads and tips 832 00:41:49,175 --> 00:41:51,761 {\an8}as far as making sure that each one was looked at. 833 00:41:51,803 --> 00:41:54,139 {\an8}But again, not doubling the effort. 834 00:41:54,180 --> 00:41:56,099 - We were a freestanding task force. 835 00:41:56,141 --> 00:41:59,060 We had 15 detectives that they had dedicated to us. 836 00:41:59,102 --> 00:42:01,312 I needed people who were very good 837 00:42:01,354 --> 00:42:03,815 at interview and interrogation, 838 00:42:03,857 --> 00:42:07,068 who had a very strong attention to detail. 839 00:42:07,110 --> 00:42:09,320 They didn't let little things slip by them. 840 00:42:09,362 --> 00:42:11,656 And I needed people that did not know 841 00:42:11,698 --> 00:42:13,324 the meaning of the word quit. 842 00:42:13,366 --> 00:42:15,160 - While we were still looking for Amber, 843 00:42:15,201 --> 00:42:17,245 these teams of detectives and FBI agents 844 00:42:17,287 --> 00:42:21,124 were going out contacting registered sex offenders. 845 00:42:21,166 --> 00:42:22,876 - This unit that has come to town 846 00:42:22,917 --> 00:42:25,712 {\an8}has a tremendous amount of expertise 847 00:42:25,754 --> 00:42:28,840 {\an8}in child abduction cases and that is why they're here. 848 00:42:28,882 --> 00:42:32,552 {\an8}- We assume that because she was 9 years old 849 00:42:32,594 --> 00:42:33,970 and it was a female 850 00:42:34,012 --> 00:42:36,389 that there's a sexual component to this, 851 00:42:36,431 --> 00:42:41,019 and it's what drove the investigation. 852 00:42:41,061 --> 00:42:42,645 - We started looking at sex offenders 853 00:42:42,687 --> 00:42:46,691 who had offended against girls in the age range of seven to 12 854 00:42:46,733 --> 00:42:49,069 and then you expand out from there. 855 00:42:52,405 --> 00:42:54,532 - We actually mapped this out on a grid to make sure that 856 00:42:54,574 --> 00:42:58,495 we had contacted every resident, if possible. 857 00:42:58,536 --> 00:43:00,705 When we interviewed people, we'd find out, 858 00:43:00,747 --> 00:43:02,499 did they live there with a family? 859 00:43:02,540 --> 00:43:05,043 Is it a single male that lives there alone 860 00:43:05,085 --> 00:43:07,796 that could potentially be a suspect? 861 00:43:07,837 --> 00:43:09,297 - We have every reason to believe that 862 00:43:09,339 --> 00:43:12,926 this individual may have committed this crime before. 863 00:43:12,967 --> 00:43:15,553 - You have a high risk grab right there 864 00:43:15,595 --> 00:43:17,806 in the middle of that parking lot, you know, 865 00:43:17,847 --> 00:43:19,265 in my mind I just kind of felt like 866 00:43:19,307 --> 00:43:21,476 maybe he had done this before. 867 00:43:21,518 --> 00:43:23,561 And, of course, it was also a concern 868 00:43:23,603 --> 00:43:26,481 that he might do it again in the future. 869 00:43:30,944 --> 00:43:32,487 - We're just trying not to give up hope 870 00:43:32,529 --> 00:43:34,823 and trying to be strong for Amber. 871 00:43:34,864 --> 00:43:36,032 Arlington Police... 872 00:43:36,074 --> 00:43:38,493 - Would she be willing to talk to me? 873 00:43:38,535 --> 00:43:42,372 {\an8}- You don't have the-the luxury of dismissing anything. 874 00:43:42,414 --> 00:43:44,958 {\an8}Every lead had to be looked at, no matter how far-fetched 875 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,503 {\an8}or improbable that it was. 876 00:43:49,504 --> 00:43:51,297 {\an8}- I remember helicopters overhead, 877 00:43:51,339 --> 00:43:53,633 {\an8}and I remember officers with dogs 878 00:43:53,675 --> 00:43:55,218 {\an8}going through the park. 879 00:43:55,260 --> 00:43:56,761 {\an8}Every time they got one of those tips 880 00:43:56,803 --> 00:43:57,637 {\an8}and they went out, you were like, 881 00:43:57,679 --> 00:43:58,930 {\an8}"Okay, is this it? 882 00:43:58,972 --> 00:44:01,433 {\an8}Are they finally going to find her?" 883 00:44:01,474 --> 00:44:03,727 - I think they're working as hard as they can 884 00:44:03,768 --> 00:44:07,397 and I think they're doing all they can to get Amber home. 885 00:44:09,566 --> 00:44:12,610 Give them peace. 886 00:44:12,652 --> 00:44:18,658 Give them hope that it will end in a happy reunion. 887 00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:22,120 I didn't know what to do. 888 00:44:22,162 --> 00:44:26,791 All I knew I wanted to do is get my little girl home. 889 00:44:26,833 --> 00:44:29,252 I worried about her the whole time. 890 00:44:29,294 --> 00:44:30,462 You know, is she going to get fed? 891 00:44:30,503 --> 00:44:33,631 Is she being taken care of? Is she warm? 892 00:44:33,673 --> 00:44:36,343 Is she cold? 893 00:44:39,763 --> 00:44:41,348 - The days go on, the hours go on, 894 00:44:41,389 --> 00:44:44,059 and you don't have to know much about child abduction statistics 895 00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:47,228 to know that every second works against you. 896 00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:49,147 Not just every minute or every hour, 897 00:44:49,189 --> 00:44:51,316 but every second works against you. 898 00:44:51,358 --> 00:44:53,485 The chances of finding a child alive 899 00:44:53,526 --> 00:44:56,905 diminish dramatically as time goes on. 900 00:45:09,417 --> 00:45:11,169 {\an8}** 901 00:45:16,257 --> 00:45:19,177 {\an8}- Wednesday evening, this spring-like thunderstorm 902 00:45:19,219 --> 00:45:21,012 {\an8}came through and dropped the temperature. 903 00:45:21,054 --> 00:45:23,473 {\an8}I mean for as warm as it was, it turned off 904 00:45:23,515 --> 00:45:25,350 {\an8}just bitterly cold out of the north. 905 00:45:25,392 --> 00:45:27,477 {\an8}But as the front moved through, which it does 906 00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:30,146 {\an8}typically in Texas when cold air meets warm air, 907 00:45:30,188 --> 00:45:33,191 {\an8}we have bad, bad storms. 908 00:46:04,806 --> 00:46:07,600 {\an8}- I received a phone call at about 11:30 at night 909 00:46:07,642 --> 00:46:08,893 {\an8}at my residence. 910 00:46:08,935 --> 00:46:12,897 {\an8}Dispatch informed me that a body had been found 911 00:46:12,939 --> 00:46:16,526 {\an8}in Arlington. 912 00:46:20,488 --> 00:46:22,866 I was the first investigative person 913 00:46:22,907 --> 00:46:24,117 that was on the scene. 914 00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:27,954 Patrol was there, and crime scene was there. 915 00:46:27,996 --> 00:46:29,372 {\an8}- We don't know that much at this point 916 00:46:29,414 --> 00:46:32,125 {\an8}and we want to be very, very cautious about 917 00:46:32,167 --> 00:46:34,544 {\an8}the information that we're putting out. 918 00:46:36,546 --> 00:46:39,382 {\an8}- I walked down to the creek bed and I noticed 919 00:46:39,424 --> 00:46:43,386 {\an8}a young white female's body that was floating, 920 00:46:43,428 --> 00:46:46,723 {\an8}but was caught up in the brush. 921 00:46:46,765 --> 00:46:49,267 {\an8}- The police are saying it's too hard to tell, 922 00:46:49,309 --> 00:46:51,603 {\an8}you know, who it is. 923 00:46:51,644 --> 00:46:54,105 {\an8}- My husband said it was a female. 924 00:46:54,147 --> 00:46:55,940 {\an8}She's buck-naked. She's face down. 925 00:46:55,982 --> 00:47:00,487 {\an8}He said it was a female. 926 00:47:00,528 --> 00:47:02,614 {\an8}- Why has the lead investigator on the Amber Hagerman case 927 00:47:02,655 --> 00:47:04,199 {\an8}been called here? 928 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:06,409 {\an8}- Well, I mean, he's one of our lead homicide investigators 929 00:47:06,451 --> 00:47:08,578 {\an8}and, you know, we're certainly, 930 00:47:08,620 --> 00:47:11,289 {\an8}we're certainly sensitive to the fact that 931 00:47:11,331 --> 00:47:14,751 {\an8}we've located a body that needs to be identified. 932 00:47:14,793 --> 00:47:17,337 I mean, I don't want to alarm anyone at this point, 933 00:47:17,379 --> 00:47:19,089 but we're certainly sensitive to the fact that-- 934 00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:20,298 that it could be Amber 935 00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:22,258 and we're just not in a position to say yet. 936 00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:25,136 - Has the family been notified in any way? 937 00:47:25,178 --> 00:47:27,097 - Uh, we have people en route over to the-- 938 00:47:27,138 --> 00:47:29,099 to the residence now to notify them 939 00:47:29,140 --> 00:47:32,394 that we have located a-a body. 940 00:47:35,605 --> 00:47:37,524 - My name is Derrelynn Perryman, 941 00:47:37,565 --> 00:47:40,151 {\an8}and I was the Victim Assistance Coordinator 942 00:47:40,193 --> 00:47:41,486 {\an8}for the Arlington Police Department 943 00:47:41,528 --> 00:47:43,780 {\an8}during the Amber case. 944 00:47:43,822 --> 00:47:46,950 I go into the house and touch base with the family. 945 00:47:46,991 --> 00:47:50,620 I had been given instructions that we weren't going to be able 946 00:47:50,662 --> 00:47:53,331 to positively identify the child that was found 947 00:47:53,373 --> 00:47:58,503 until they completed the crime scene investigation. 948 00:47:58,545 --> 00:48:00,171 {\an8}- I had been with the family all day 949 00:48:00,213 --> 00:48:01,256 {\an8}and I got in bed 950 00:48:01,297 --> 00:48:03,967 {\an8}and I had hardly touched the sheets 951 00:48:04,009 --> 00:48:05,885 {\an8}before the phone rang. 952 00:48:05,927 --> 00:48:07,095 {\an8}And I picked up the phone 953 00:48:07,137 --> 00:48:09,180 {\an8}and it was my assistant news director. 954 00:48:09,222 --> 00:48:14,602 {\an8}And he said, Pam, they found a body. 955 00:48:14,644 --> 00:48:17,605 {\an8}So I immediately headed back to the house, 956 00:48:17,647 --> 00:48:22,235 {\an8}and went straight in with my photographer. 957 00:48:26,281 --> 00:48:27,949 {\an8}- We were all really watching the news, 958 00:48:27,991 --> 00:48:32,328 {\an8}and they kept talking about this little body they found. 959 00:48:32,370 --> 00:48:34,122 - So Edie Kocher and her husband 960 00:48:34,164 --> 00:48:36,207 who found the body, Stuart Kocher, 961 00:48:36,249 --> 00:48:37,625 are at least themselves convinced that 962 00:48:37,667 --> 00:48:40,628 what he saw was the body of a young girl. 963 00:48:40,670 --> 00:48:42,505 Police are not so convinced. 964 00:48:42,547 --> 00:48:48,053 - So we sat in their living room and they had the news on 965 00:48:48,094 --> 00:48:50,722 all night long. 966 00:48:50,764 --> 00:48:52,891 - It was over and over and over, 967 00:48:52,932 --> 00:48:54,142 a child's body has been found. 968 00:48:54,184 --> 00:48:56,227 It's probably Amber. It's probably Amber. 969 00:48:56,269 --> 00:48:58,521 And so, you can imagine how agonizing 970 00:48:58,563 --> 00:49:02,359 that was to just sit there and listen to that. 971 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:07,238 [indistinct TV chatter] 972 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,909 - News 8 Now, the spirit of Texas. 973 00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:12,160 - We interrupt this program to bring you 974 00:49:12,202 --> 00:49:16,164 the following News 8 Special Report. 975 00:49:16,206 --> 00:49:18,667 - Arlington Police Department came to the house this evening 976 00:49:18,708 --> 00:49:21,836 to tell the family that a body had been found. 977 00:49:21,878 --> 00:49:24,464 Amber's father also is here at the house with the family. 978 00:49:24,506 --> 00:49:26,424 - I was watching this on the news 979 00:49:26,466 --> 00:49:28,968 in my parents' home with my parents. 980 00:49:29,010 --> 00:49:32,013 And that was hard. 981 00:49:34,516 --> 00:49:36,267 - ...family friend who has been here 982 00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:37,769 throughout the whole ordeal, 983 00:49:37,811 --> 00:49:40,772 as well as Amber's mother, who is looking quite distraught. 984 00:49:40,814 --> 00:49:44,109 - It was an excruciating night. 985 00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:46,277 And no, I wasn't her family. 986 00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:48,905 I felt like I understood, 987 00:49:48,947 --> 00:49:52,200 and I was having some of those same emotions. 988 00:49:52,242 --> 00:49:56,705 I didn't want it to be her. Nobody did. 989 00:49:56,746 --> 00:49:58,707 - ...saw a little girl riding her bike 990 00:49:58,748 --> 00:50:01,501 and then a black pickup pulled up next to her 991 00:50:01,543 --> 00:50:03,837 and yanked her off that bike. 992 00:50:03,878 --> 00:50:05,797 - I was in contact with Mike Simonds, 993 00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:08,925 and he said it was probably Amber, 994 00:50:08,967 --> 00:50:11,720 but we needed to be sure, and we didn't want to tell them 995 00:50:11,761 --> 00:50:15,640 until we had confirmed that it was actually her. 996 00:50:15,682 --> 00:50:20,395 So, I talked with the family. I explained that to them. 997 00:50:20,437 --> 00:50:21,604 At this point I'm told 998 00:50:21,646 --> 00:50:22,897 you've got a couple hours to rest 999 00:50:22,939 --> 00:50:24,649 if you can even just close your eyes 1000 00:50:24,691 --> 00:50:29,029 for a couple of minutes. It's gonna help a little bit. 1001 00:50:34,367 --> 00:50:38,413 - I was there for several hours and then my pager went off 1002 00:50:38,455 --> 00:50:39,664 and I went out to the car. 1003 00:50:39,706 --> 00:50:42,500 I did have a cell phone, and Mike Simonds said, 1004 00:50:42,542 --> 00:50:45,253 Yes, you know, we've identified it's her. 1005 00:50:45,295 --> 00:50:48,840 Um, they identified some birthmarks. 1006 00:50:48,882 --> 00:50:50,967 And then he said, "And you have five minutes 1007 00:50:51,009 --> 00:50:54,512 to tell the family before we announce it to the media. 1008 00:51:04,564 --> 00:51:07,859 [distant screaming] 1009 00:51:11,279 --> 00:51:13,406 - There was a-a scream and a cry 1010 00:51:13,448 --> 00:51:15,867 that I will never forget. 1011 00:51:17,369 --> 00:51:23,458 [sobbing softly] 1012 00:51:29,673 --> 00:51:32,842 - That was really, really hard. 1013 00:51:32,884 --> 00:51:36,179 You know, just my mom and my dad crying 1014 00:51:36,221 --> 00:51:40,892 and my dad never cries. 1015 00:51:46,731 --> 00:51:49,567 - From all visual that we can see, 1016 00:51:49,609 --> 00:51:51,778 from the description that we've got 1017 00:51:51,820 --> 00:51:53,905 and from the photographs that we've seen, 1018 00:51:53,947 --> 00:51:57,117 we feel that this tentatively is going to be 1019 00:51:57,158 --> 00:51:59,661 the body of Amber Hagerman. 1020 00:51:59,703 --> 00:52:03,081 - We are in the process of notifying the family as such. 1021 00:52:03,123 --> 00:52:06,001 We are stressing to them and I want to stress to all of you, 1022 00:52:06,042 --> 00:52:08,545 that a positive identification will be made 1023 00:52:08,586 --> 00:52:09,963 by the Medical Examiner's Office... 1024 00:52:10,005 --> 00:52:14,426 - Just the agony of knowing that yes, that was her 1025 00:52:14,467 --> 00:52:16,720 and she was gone. 1026 00:52:16,761 --> 00:52:19,431 You just can't even describe it. 1027 00:52:19,472 --> 00:52:20,849 [sobbing] 1028 00:52:20,890 --> 00:52:22,183 - You know, very little to go on 1029 00:52:27,147 --> 00:52:31,151 {\an8}** 1030 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,284 {\an8}- We decided pretty early on that we're gonna have to 1031 00:52:39,325 --> 00:52:41,703 {\an8}not air the welfare documentary, 1032 00:52:41,745 --> 00:52:44,039 {\an8}which was due to air on Thursday. 1033 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:49,586 {\an8}And actually, that was the day we found out she was found. 1034 00:52:53,923 --> 00:52:56,718 {\an8}- When they confirmed it was Amber's body, 1035 00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,720 {\an8}and, you know, it's everybody's screaming 1036 00:52:58,762 --> 00:53:01,556 {\an8}and crying and news media is everywhere. 1037 00:53:01,598 --> 00:53:03,433 {\an8}The police had put the yellow tape 1038 00:53:03,475 --> 00:53:06,895 {\an8}around my parents' front yard. 1039 00:53:06,936 --> 00:53:10,648 {\an8}It was horrible that day. 1040 00:53:11,775 --> 00:53:15,945 And still I'm in denial. No, this is not my baby. 1041 00:53:15,987 --> 00:53:18,865 I want to see my baby from my own eyes. 1042 00:53:18,907 --> 00:53:22,744 I wanted to touch my baby. I wanted to talk to my baby. 1043 00:53:22,786 --> 00:53:27,123 And I did not-- no I did not believe it. 1044 00:53:30,418 --> 00:53:32,921 {\an8}Immediately, of course, 1045 00:53:32,962 --> 00:53:36,091 {\an8}Donna wanted to go and be with Amber, 1046 00:53:36,132 --> 00:53:37,175 {\an8}and as a mom, 1047 00:53:37,217 --> 00:53:39,219 {\an8}I could certainly identify with that. 1048 00:53:39,260 --> 00:53:41,846 {\an8}If I hadn't been able to put my hands on my child 1049 00:53:41,888 --> 00:53:44,182 {\an8}for several days because they were missing, 1050 00:53:44,224 --> 00:53:46,685 {\an8}that would be the first thing I would want to do too. 1051 00:53:46,726 --> 00:53:48,353 The Tarrant County Medical Examiner's Office 1052 00:53:48,395 --> 00:53:50,105 doesn't allow people to visit. 1053 00:53:50,146 --> 00:53:52,273 We contacted the medical examiner's office, 1054 00:53:52,315 --> 00:53:53,316 and of course, 1055 00:53:53,358 --> 00:53:55,610 they-they did the autopsy priority 1056 00:53:55,652 --> 00:53:58,029 because we knew that it was just urgent. 1057 00:53:58,071 --> 00:54:02,742 You know, she really, really needed to be with Amber. 1058 00:54:11,626 --> 00:54:14,129 {\an8}Now we have a homicide. 1059 00:54:14,170 --> 00:54:17,132 {\an8}First order of business is you shift into high gear 1060 00:54:17,173 --> 00:54:19,300 {\an8}thinking, "Okay, what have we got?" 1061 00:54:19,342 --> 00:54:21,594 {\an8}It started off Saturday. 1062 00:54:21,636 --> 00:54:23,471 {\an8}Now we're over here on Thursday. 1063 00:54:23,513 --> 00:54:27,976 {\an8}We found Amber dead in this creek three miles away. 1064 00:54:28,018 --> 00:54:31,354 {\an8}Why? 1065 00:54:35,108 --> 00:54:36,526 {\an8}- So right now, we're pulling into 1066 00:54:36,568 --> 00:54:40,989 {\an8}the apartment complex and we're going towards the creek 1067 00:54:41,031 --> 00:54:43,867 {\an8}that runs north and south along the west side 1068 00:54:43,908 --> 00:54:47,662 {\an8}of the apartment complex. 1069 00:54:47,704 --> 00:54:50,040 The first time that I came out here, 1070 00:54:50,081 --> 00:54:53,501 it made me realize that the suspect must have known 1071 00:54:53,543 --> 00:54:58,381 that this apartment complex and the creek were here. 1072 00:54:58,423 --> 00:55:01,676 It just doesn't seem likely that a suspect 1073 00:55:01,718 --> 00:55:04,846 would just randomly drive into this complex 1074 00:55:04,888 --> 00:55:07,390 and then just happen upon a creek 1075 00:55:07,432 --> 00:55:10,852 to leave her body in. 1076 00:55:10,894 --> 00:55:13,396 - The night that Amber's body was found, 1077 00:55:13,438 --> 00:55:16,024 there were thousands and thousands of gallons of water 1078 00:55:16,066 --> 00:55:19,027 that washed over her body. 1079 00:55:19,069 --> 00:55:21,279 Based on the condition of her body, 1080 00:55:21,321 --> 00:55:23,698 we think that she was put in very close to 1081 00:55:23,740 --> 00:55:26,910 if not exactly where her body was found. 1082 00:55:26,951 --> 00:55:29,871 There were not injuries or anything like that 1083 00:55:29,913 --> 00:55:33,208 that would be indicative of her traveling a long way 1084 00:55:33,249 --> 00:55:36,711 in the water, hitting rocks, hitting branches, 1085 00:55:36,753 --> 00:55:38,922 and all the things that you would expect to see 1086 00:55:38,963 --> 00:55:40,799 if she had been put in the water 1087 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,719 a long ways from where she was found. 1088 00:55:44,761 --> 00:55:46,471 - It was a large apartment complex 1089 00:55:46,513 --> 00:55:48,723 and there was a main gate. 1090 00:55:48,765 --> 00:55:53,770 To the west of that main gate, there was another entrance. 1091 00:55:53,812 --> 00:55:55,897 It, too, had a gate. 1092 00:55:55,939 --> 00:55:59,275 At the time of Amber's abduction and her recovery, 1093 00:55:59,317 --> 00:56:00,777 that gate was broken. 1094 00:56:00,819 --> 00:56:03,321 So there was unfettered access into and out of 1095 00:56:03,363 --> 00:56:06,825 the apartment complex through that gate. 1096 00:56:06,866 --> 00:56:10,412 There was a video camera at the main entrance. 1097 00:56:10,453 --> 00:56:12,831 On the night that Amber's body was recovered, 1098 00:56:12,872 --> 00:56:16,251 the wind and the rain, it was shaking the camera 1099 00:56:16,292 --> 00:56:21,047 and it took visibility down to where we couldn't see very well. 1100 00:56:21,089 --> 00:56:23,383 - You can see vehicles coming and going, 1101 00:56:23,425 --> 00:56:27,762 and you do see a dark truck that enters the complex, 1102 00:56:27,804 --> 00:56:30,265 but the video just wasn't clear enough 1103 00:56:30,306 --> 00:56:31,933 to be able to determine whether or not 1104 00:56:31,975 --> 00:56:34,644 that was the suspect vehicle. 1105 00:56:34,686 --> 00:56:36,771 - There was nothing on that video 1106 00:56:36,813 --> 00:56:39,274 that we could use to identify a suspect. 1107 00:56:39,315 --> 00:56:42,569 One of our beliefs was that the suspect was familiar with 1108 00:56:42,610 --> 00:56:47,115 not only the abduction site but the disposal site as well. 1109 00:56:47,157 --> 00:56:48,575 And that's another one of the reasons 1110 00:56:48,616 --> 00:56:52,495 why we believed that he was probably a local resident. 1111 00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,543 {\an8}- Only portion that was submerged 1112 00:56:58,585 --> 00:57:04,883 {\an8}was from her shoulders up. And maybe-maybe an arm. 1113 00:57:04,924 --> 00:57:06,343 {\an8}And so I ran back to the house, 1114 00:57:06,384 --> 00:57:08,303 {\an8}and, uh, went through the front door, 1115 00:57:08,345 --> 00:57:11,306 {\an8}a-and yelled at my wife Edie, I found her. 1116 00:57:11,348 --> 00:57:13,266 {\an8}I found Amber. 1117 00:57:13,308 --> 00:57:15,310 {\an8}- Stuart Kocher was the witness 1118 00:57:15,352 --> 00:57:19,814 {\an8}that found Amber's body that night. 1119 00:57:19,856 --> 00:57:22,150 {\an8}His statement was that after the storm 1120 00:57:22,192 --> 00:57:23,693 {\an8}had passed through the area 1121 00:57:23,735 --> 00:57:25,987 {\an8}that he took his dog out for a walk. 1122 00:57:26,029 --> 00:57:27,614 His dog went down to the creek bed area 1123 00:57:27,655 --> 00:57:29,824 and began barking. 1124 00:57:29,866 --> 00:57:33,995 Then he saw Amber's body. 1125 00:57:34,037 --> 00:57:36,539 - And because there'd been so much coverage 1126 00:57:36,581 --> 00:57:40,460 of Amber being missing and everybody trying to find her, 1127 00:57:40,502 --> 00:57:44,089 his immediate thought was, That's probably her. 1128 00:57:46,132 --> 00:57:48,510 - You ask all sorts of questions like 1129 00:57:48,551 --> 00:57:50,553 "Did you talk to anybody while you were going out 1130 00:57:50,595 --> 00:57:52,889 to go on this walk? What'd you do before that?" 1131 00:57:52,931 --> 00:57:55,684 If he was involved in it, then obviously, 1132 00:57:55,725 --> 00:57:57,143 you're worried about what happened 1133 00:57:57,185 --> 00:58:01,690 from the abduction time to the discovery of the body. 1134 00:58:01,731 --> 00:58:03,942 There wasn't anything in his story 1135 00:58:03,983 --> 00:58:07,112 that was inconsistent. 1136 00:58:07,153 --> 00:58:11,032 He was finally eliminated by a polygraph. 1137 00:58:12,325 --> 00:58:13,535 - We're just going to question people 1138 00:58:13,576 --> 00:58:16,788 to see what they saw and what they observed. 1139 00:58:16,830 --> 00:58:20,417 - We began a canvas, multiple FBI agents, 1140 00:58:20,458 --> 00:58:25,338 and we had multiple Arlington PD detectives there. 1141 00:58:25,380 --> 00:58:27,382 - We want to know who the maintenance people are. 1142 00:58:27,424 --> 00:58:30,385 Who is doing the landscaping at the apartments? 1143 00:58:30,427 --> 00:58:33,847 What independent contractors they have. 1144 00:58:33,888 --> 00:58:35,724 We went door to door. 1145 00:58:35,765 --> 00:58:38,768 Before it was over with we were at 1146 00:58:38,810 --> 00:58:42,564 every single apartment in that complex. 1147 00:58:42,605 --> 00:58:45,316 - We didn't find any additional witnesses. 1148 00:58:45,358 --> 00:58:48,236 No one admitted to seeing anyone parking 1149 00:58:48,278 --> 00:58:51,906 and carrying anything down through the playground 1150 00:58:51,948 --> 00:58:54,784 into the culvert area either that night 1151 00:58:54,826 --> 00:58:59,289 or any of the days leading up to that. 1152 00:59:08,465 --> 00:59:10,592 - I didn't believe that that was Amber. 1153 00:59:10,633 --> 00:59:14,054 I said that's not my baby. My baby's not dead. 1154 00:59:14,095 --> 00:59:16,306 You know, I want to go see my daughter. 1155 00:59:16,348 --> 00:59:20,060 Take me to my little girl. I want to hold my little girl. 1156 00:59:20,101 --> 00:59:23,063 I want to see for myself, with my own eyes, 1157 00:59:23,104 --> 00:59:25,357 that this is my little girl. 1158 00:59:25,398 --> 00:59:27,359 And they kept telling me, no I can't 1159 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,527 'cause they had to do the autopsy 1160 00:59:29,569 --> 00:59:33,948 and that she was so disfigured so they had to 1161 00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:37,243 cover her wounds up so I wouldn't see that. 1162 00:59:37,285 --> 00:59:40,246 And they said I didn't want to see her the way she was. 1163 00:59:40,288 --> 00:59:41,623 And I told them, you know, I don't care. 1164 00:59:41,664 --> 00:59:43,041 I want to see my little girl. 1165 00:59:43,083 --> 00:59:44,292 I want to hold my little girl. 1166 00:59:44,334 --> 00:59:47,962 So I didn't get to see her or hold her, 1167 00:59:48,004 --> 00:59:49,964 until the next day. 1168 00:59:50,006 --> 00:59:52,384 And they took me to the funeral home 1169 00:59:52,425 --> 00:59:55,345 and I got to kiss her and hold her hand 1170 00:59:55,387 --> 00:59:57,681 and told her that everything's okay, 1171 00:59:57,722 --> 00:59:59,974 you know, Mommy's here. 1172 01:00:00,016 --> 01:00:02,435 So they told me I could hold her hands 1173 01:00:02,477 --> 01:00:06,106 and touch her little face and that was it. 1174 01:00:06,147 --> 01:00:08,024 But I so wanted to, you know, 1175 01:00:08,066 --> 01:00:10,568 pick her up and hold her and... 1176 01:00:10,610 --> 01:00:14,656 [crying] 1177 01:00:14,698 --> 01:00:16,408 Yeah. 1178 01:00:25,375 --> 01:00:31,631 - Amber had a very severe laceration 1179 01:00:31,673 --> 01:00:35,176 to her throat from one side to the other. 1180 01:00:35,218 --> 01:00:40,640 Um, it was a-- a very severe cut, 1181 01:00:40,682 --> 01:00:42,308 very violent cut. 1182 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,312 - You've got all this damage 1183 01:00:46,354 --> 01:00:47,689 to her throat and neck area 1184 01:00:47,731 --> 01:00:50,108 but not necessarily a tremendous amount of damage 1185 01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:51,609 elsewhere on the body. 1186 01:00:51,651 --> 01:00:54,529 - One of the things that we saw right away 1187 01:00:54,571 --> 01:00:56,197 was that there was no indication 1188 01:00:56,239 --> 01:01:00,201 of a sexual assault to Amber's body. 1189 01:01:00,243 --> 01:01:03,371 Just because there's not evidence of a sexual assault 1190 01:01:03,413 --> 01:01:07,334 doesn't mean that there was not a sexual component to it. 1191 01:01:07,375 --> 01:01:10,337 - You can't escape at least the theory 1192 01:01:10,378 --> 01:01:13,298 that the act of killing Amber was what provided 1193 01:01:13,340 --> 01:01:14,966 a sexual release for the suspect. 1194 01:01:15,008 --> 01:01:17,552 - There were some very, very early signs 1195 01:01:17,594 --> 01:01:20,221 of decomposition that were identified 1196 01:01:20,263 --> 01:01:23,516 that would be more consistent with the idea 1197 01:01:23,558 --> 01:01:26,936 of her being killed Tuesday going into Wednesday. 1198 01:01:26,978 --> 01:01:29,105 - There was no signs of torture. 1199 01:01:29,147 --> 01:01:30,607 There was no signs of restraint. 1200 01:01:30,648 --> 01:01:33,318 No defensive wounds that we could see. 1201 01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,403 The question now becomes, all right, 1202 01:01:35,445 --> 01:01:37,489 where was she being kept alive, 1203 01:01:37,530 --> 01:01:40,158 who did this, how did he hang on to her? 1204 01:01:41,951 --> 01:01:45,372 [church bells ringing] 1205 01:01:48,458 --> 01:01:53,088 {\an8}- We wonder what kind of monster 1206 01:01:53,129 --> 01:01:57,384 {\an8}could commit such a horrible deed. 1207 01:01:57,425 --> 01:02:02,472 - Well over 2,000 people showed up to her funeral. 1208 01:02:02,514 --> 01:02:05,183 - It was standing room only. 1209 01:02:05,225 --> 01:02:07,310 There were so many people there. 1210 01:02:07,352 --> 01:02:09,938 Because this had just touched a community 1211 01:02:09,979 --> 01:02:12,315 like you can only imagine. 1212 01:02:12,357 --> 01:02:14,442 - And it's just so overwhelming. 1213 01:02:14,484 --> 01:02:17,153 And, and as a mom you're trying to grieve 1214 01:02:17,195 --> 01:02:18,988 {\an8}for your little girl. 1215 01:02:19,030 --> 01:02:28,873 {\an8}** 1216 01:02:28,915 --> 01:02:30,333 {\an8}- Really the last thing I remember 1217 01:02:30,375 --> 01:02:33,503 {\an8}is just the funeral. 1218 01:02:33,545 --> 01:02:36,297 {\an8}Not really when they found her body. 1219 01:02:36,339 --> 01:02:38,466 {\an8}Just-- I just remember the funeral. 1220 01:02:40,593 --> 01:02:44,180 At 5 years old I didn't know what death was. 1221 01:02:44,222 --> 01:02:47,684 I was telling her, Wake up, Sissy, wake up. 1222 01:02:47,726 --> 01:02:49,185 It's time to get up. 1223 01:02:52,022 --> 01:02:55,275 - To me, I just wanted to take my baby and just run. 1224 01:02:55,316 --> 01:02:57,068 You know, I got my kids. 1225 01:02:57,110 --> 01:03:00,113 You know, it-- that little part of me 1226 01:03:00,155 --> 01:03:01,406 wanted to do that. 1227 01:03:07,203 --> 01:03:09,205 {\an8}I attended the funeral. 1228 01:03:09,247 --> 01:03:12,167 {\an8}It was to go to observe the participants 1229 01:03:12,208 --> 01:03:13,668 {\an8}and see if anything looked unusual, 1230 01:03:13,710 --> 01:03:15,754 {\an8}if anyone acted inappropriately, 1231 01:03:15,795 --> 01:03:19,841 {\an8}if someone just looked out of place. 1232 01:03:19,883 --> 01:03:22,552 - Sometimes a suspect will want to go to the funeral 1233 01:03:22,594 --> 01:03:24,346 just to see what's going on. 1234 01:03:24,387 --> 01:03:26,681 Of course the issue with Amber's funeral 1235 01:03:26,723 --> 01:03:30,018 is there were lots of people there. 1236 01:03:30,060 --> 01:03:32,395 This wasn't a family affair. 1237 01:03:32,437 --> 01:03:35,357 We put surveillance inside 1238 01:03:35,398 --> 01:03:37,692 and at the graveside during the services, 1239 01:03:37,734 --> 01:03:40,737 and then we also had people surveilling 1240 01:03:40,779 --> 01:03:43,698 the outer perimeter around the area 1241 01:03:43,740 --> 01:03:45,658 to see if someone was on the outskirts, 1242 01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:47,911 possibly observing from a distance. 1243 01:03:49,954 --> 01:03:53,583 - We felt like we had to do anything and everything 1244 01:03:53,625 --> 01:03:56,711 that could possibly provide new information 1245 01:03:56,753 --> 01:03:58,838 and lead to the suspect that killed Amber. 1246 01:04:09,557 --> 01:04:23,780 {\an8}** 1247 01:04:23,822 --> 01:04:27,117 {\an8}- My parents were, with every newscast, 1248 01:04:27,158 --> 01:04:29,244 {\an8}asking for help, putting out information 1249 01:04:29,285 --> 01:04:31,454 {\an8}to bring justice to their daughter. 1250 01:04:38,461 --> 01:04:39,671 {\an8}- It makes me mad because I don't know. 1251 01:04:39,713 --> 01:04:42,424 {\an8}I want to know. I want to know now. 1252 01:04:42,465 --> 01:04:47,387 {\an8}- Donna had been on camera with us for a while 1253 01:04:47,429 --> 01:04:50,306 but there was a change in her demeanor 1254 01:04:50,348 --> 01:04:52,434 as the days wore on. 1255 01:04:52,475 --> 01:04:55,020 - I'm just slowly, surely losing all my hope 1256 01:04:55,061 --> 01:04:56,604 that they're gonna find him. 1257 01:05:02,527 --> 01:05:04,029 - We were hopeful early on of course 1258 01:05:04,070 --> 01:05:05,155 that there were more witnesses 1259 01:05:05,196 --> 01:05:06,781 and that people would come forward. 1260 01:05:06,823 --> 01:05:08,450 And we've just been tremendously frustrated 1261 01:05:08,491 --> 01:05:10,577 by that fact that this, this abduction 1262 01:05:10,618 --> 01:05:12,454 occurred in broad daylight on a very busy street 1263 01:05:12,495 --> 01:05:15,915 on a Saturday afternoon and no one saw anything. 1264 01:05:15,957 --> 01:05:18,293 {\an8}- We would hold two briefings daily for the press 1265 01:05:18,335 --> 01:05:20,003 {\an8}to keep the information flowing. 1266 01:05:20,045 --> 01:05:21,171 {\an8}And there were many times 1267 01:05:21,212 --> 01:05:22,464 {\an8}I didn't haven't anything new to say 1268 01:05:22,505 --> 01:05:25,050 {\an8}but I went in there and did it anyway. 1269 01:05:25,091 --> 01:05:27,552 - Okay, describe the truck to me. 1270 01:05:27,594 --> 01:05:30,638 - We certainly felt like we had to keep this, 1271 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,475 this case, of all cases, in the public eye. 1272 01:05:33,516 --> 01:05:35,393 We followed thousands of leads. 1273 01:05:35,435 --> 01:05:36,936 Not just hundreds but thousands. 1274 01:05:41,358 --> 01:05:44,361 - We've got a couple of tips that, uh, 1275 01:05:44,402 --> 01:05:47,072 on vehicular traffic and some people 1276 01:05:47,113 --> 01:05:49,366 that were seen in the area. 1277 01:05:49,407 --> 01:05:52,243 - There were calls coming in on a regular basis 1278 01:05:52,285 --> 01:05:53,495 of people that thought they'd seen her, 1279 01:05:53,536 --> 01:05:55,663 thought they'd seen the suspect. 1280 01:05:55,705 --> 01:05:57,499 {\an8}- Now those leads ranged from everything 1281 01:05:57,540 --> 01:05:59,084 {\an8}from I saw a black pickup 1282 01:05:59,125 --> 01:06:03,254 {\an8}to specific suspects that were named right away. 1283 01:06:03,296 --> 01:06:06,633 - There was a woman that came forward 1284 01:06:06,675 --> 01:06:11,179 and said that she had seen the entire abduction. 1285 01:06:11,221 --> 01:06:14,808 - The witness went so far as to describe the Ford Splash 1286 01:06:14,849 --> 01:06:17,477 as well as a partial license plate number 1287 01:06:17,519 --> 01:06:19,187 that she thought she remembered. 1288 01:06:19,229 --> 01:06:21,356 And she saw Amber 1289 01:06:21,398 --> 01:06:24,401 in the passenger seat of this truck, 1290 01:06:24,442 --> 01:06:26,528 and Amber was banging on the back window 1291 01:06:32,992 --> 01:06:33,243 {\an8}** 1292 01:06:37,622 --> 01:06:40,458 {\an8}- We really hadn't had any good leads 1293 01:06:40,500 --> 01:06:43,461 {\an8}and a woman came forward though at that point 1294 01:06:43,503 --> 01:06:46,965 {\an8}and said she had a partial license tag. 1295 01:06:47,007 --> 01:06:48,591 {\an8}- Because she gave a much more specific description 1296 01:06:48,633 --> 01:06:49,926 {\an8}of the pickup truck, 1297 01:06:49,968 --> 01:06:52,595 {\an8}we developed a whole investigative strategy 1298 01:06:52,637 --> 01:06:55,974 {\an8}that was kind of based around what she said. 1299 01:06:56,016 --> 01:06:58,268 {\an8}- Everybody on the task force is excited. 1300 01:06:58,309 --> 01:07:03,064 {\an8}We finally got the detail that will lead us to the suspect. 1301 01:07:03,106 --> 01:07:04,774 {\an8}- At that point in time, we had been working 1302 01:07:04,816 --> 01:07:06,818 {\an8}with the Ford Motor Company, 1303 01:07:06,860 --> 01:07:10,030 {\an8}and they came up with a list of potential trucks 1304 01:07:10,071 --> 01:07:12,741 {\an8}with a partial plate that had been sold 1305 01:07:12,782 --> 01:07:14,617 {\an8}in this geographic area that matched 1306 01:07:14,659 --> 01:07:18,580 {\an8}that general description of that truck. 1307 01:07:18,621 --> 01:07:20,832 {\an8}- Detectives end up finding a potential suspect, 1308 01:07:20,874 --> 01:07:22,667 {\an8}and he actually lives in Arlington 1309 01:07:22,709 --> 01:07:24,377 {\an8}within the range 1310 01:07:24,419 --> 01:07:27,505 {\an8}of where the suspect would have gone. 1311 01:07:27,547 --> 01:07:28,923 {\an8}- My hopes were really up high 1312 01:07:28,965 --> 01:07:31,468 {\an8}and finally we're going to get justice for Amber 1313 01:07:31,509 --> 01:07:33,011 {\an8}and we can close this chapter 1314 01:07:33,053 --> 01:07:35,555 {\an8}and it's all going to be done with. 1315 01:07:39,142 --> 01:07:44,230 - Now we think we've finally got the break that we need. 1316 01:07:44,731 --> 01:07:46,399 The man cooperated 1317 01:07:46,441 --> 01:07:50,737 and let detectives search his house 1318 01:07:50,779 --> 01:07:53,823 and there was nothing whatsoever to indicate 1319 01:07:53,865 --> 01:07:55,575 that he was a suspect in it. 1320 01:07:57,827 --> 01:08:00,747 After this happened, the detectives went back 1321 01:08:00,789 --> 01:08:02,832 to contact the witness 1322 01:08:02,874 --> 01:08:05,126 and basically go over the whole story 1323 01:08:05,168 --> 01:08:07,128 again with her. 1324 01:08:07,170 --> 01:08:09,923 And they started putting two and two together, 1325 01:08:09,964 --> 01:08:11,675 and it just wasn't adding up. 1326 01:08:11,716 --> 01:08:13,718 The information that she was providing us 1327 01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:14,886 really wasn't matching 1328 01:08:14,928 --> 01:08:18,431 what we had been able to corroborate. 1329 01:08:18,473 --> 01:08:20,392 We interviewed her again, 1330 01:08:20,433 --> 01:08:22,310 and then she finally admits to us 1331 01:08:22,352 --> 01:08:23,520 that she didn't know anything 1332 01:08:23,561 --> 01:08:26,898 and she just made it up. 1333 01:08:26,940 --> 01:08:28,566 She made the story up 1334 01:08:28,608 --> 01:08:30,735 because she felt so bad for Donna 1335 01:08:30,777 --> 01:08:32,946 and the lack of a break in the case 1336 01:08:32,987 --> 01:08:35,281 that she just wanted to do anything 1337 01:08:35,323 --> 01:08:36,908 that she could to help her. 1338 01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:40,745 And I know how that sounds, but for some reason, 1339 01:08:40,787 --> 01:08:43,540 this lady thought that this would be helpful to Donna 1340 01:08:43,581 --> 01:08:45,917 and make Donna more hopeful 1341 01:08:45,959 --> 01:08:48,336 that a suspect was gonna be found. 1342 01:08:48,378 --> 01:08:51,756 - She thought that giving us that type of information 1343 01:08:51,798 --> 01:08:55,802 might spur us on some sort of renewed energy 1344 01:08:55,844 --> 01:08:57,220 into the investigation. 1345 01:08:57,262 --> 01:08:59,556 But instead what she did was she cost us time 1346 01:08:59,597 --> 01:09:01,599 and she cost us man-hours. 1347 01:09:01,641 --> 01:09:03,685 And quite frankly, she pissed me off. 1348 01:09:06,730 --> 01:09:08,523 We had a lot of people 1349 01:09:08,565 --> 01:09:10,984 that would come up with false information 1350 01:09:11,026 --> 01:09:14,112 just to bring Amber's case back up. 1351 01:09:14,154 --> 01:09:17,198 It was very frustrating, not just for me, 1352 01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,075 for the police as well. 1353 01:09:19,117 --> 01:09:21,619 - Prosecuting her for making a false statement 1354 01:09:21,661 --> 01:09:23,329 wasn't going to help us any. 1355 01:09:23,371 --> 01:09:27,792 I wanted to keep everybody focused on Amber. 1356 01:09:27,834 --> 01:09:30,128 {\an8}- We felt very early on 1357 01:09:30,170 --> 01:09:31,629 {\an8}that it was a stranger abduction. 1358 01:09:31,671 --> 01:09:33,465 {\an8}You know, every sign pointed to that. 1359 01:09:33,506 --> 01:09:36,009 {\an8}We'd beg for someone to come forward that knew anything. 1360 01:09:36,051 --> 01:09:37,886 {\an8}Just another tool in the toolbox 1361 01:09:37,927 --> 01:09:41,222 {\an8}trying to use it to get some help. 1362 01:09:41,264 --> 01:09:42,766 Everything that happened along the way 1363 01:09:42,807 --> 01:09:44,893 was just a step-by-step situation 1364 01:09:44,934 --> 01:09:48,521 where we were just frustrated at every turn. 1365 01:09:48,563 --> 01:09:50,815 And it-it was tough. It was very tough. 1366 01:09:53,651 --> 01:09:56,738 - A couple of weeks after I buried Amber, 1367 01:09:56,780 --> 01:09:59,366 I just assumed, you know, You're the police. 1368 01:09:59,407 --> 01:10:00,867 You're going to solve this. 1369 01:10:00,909 --> 01:10:03,119 You're going to be able to come and tell me 1370 01:10:03,161 --> 01:10:06,790 who murdered-- who butchered my little girl. 1371 01:10:06,831 --> 01:10:09,793 And there was just no evidence. 1372 01:10:21,471 --> 01:10:22,597 - How do you feel about the fact 1373 01:10:22,639 --> 01:10:24,849 that they haven't found somebody? 1374 01:10:24,891 --> 01:10:27,727 - I'm frustrated. Angry. 1375 01:10:27,769 --> 01:10:29,437 You know, why can't they find this man? 1376 01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,816 How hard can this be, you know? 1377 01:10:32,857 --> 01:10:34,275 'Course I was frustrated, angry, 1378 01:10:34,317 --> 01:10:36,027 'cause they couldn't find my little girl. 1379 01:10:36,069 --> 01:10:38,363 And, now I'm frustrated and angry 1380 01:10:38,405 --> 01:10:42,200 'cause they can't find him that did this to her. 1381 01:10:42,242 --> 01:10:47,205 - Donna became convinced that whoever took Amber 1382 01:10:47,247 --> 01:10:52,168 had done something like this or similar to this before. 1383 01:10:52,210 --> 01:10:56,089 And it just angered her that they were still out there 1384 01:10:56,131 --> 01:11:01,094 and that they could have done it again. 1385 01:11:01,136 --> 01:11:03,388 - From the moment that Amber was abducted 1386 01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:06,433 and the anguish Donna was going through, 1387 01:11:06,474 --> 01:11:08,018 over the course of time, 1388 01:11:08,059 --> 01:11:10,729 she turned that into a drive, 1389 01:11:10,770 --> 01:11:13,148 a sense to make a difference 1390 01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:15,150 and to give the police greater tools. 1391 01:11:17,277 --> 01:11:21,448 {\an8}Not every family that has an abducted child 1392 01:11:21,489 --> 01:11:24,951 {\an8}will then turn their energy into advocacy. 1393 01:11:24,993 --> 01:11:27,954 Donna was going to fight for Amber 1394 01:11:27,996 --> 01:11:29,956 and she was going to make sure 1395 01:11:29,998 --> 01:11:34,461 that this would not happen to any other child. 1396 01:11:34,502 --> 01:11:37,255 {\an8}- City council meetings were all about Amber. 1397 01:11:37,297 --> 01:11:39,090 {\an8}You would have hundreds of people 1398 01:11:39,132 --> 01:11:41,009 {\an8}going up there wanting to talk. 1399 01:11:41,051 --> 01:11:44,262 School board meetings, the same thing. 1400 01:11:44,304 --> 01:11:46,264 - There are 77 million parents out there 1401 01:11:46,306 --> 01:11:48,725 who want their children to be safe. 1402 01:11:48,767 --> 01:11:50,143 All we have to do is organize. 1403 01:11:50,185 --> 01:11:51,895 All we have to do is work together. 1404 01:11:51,936 --> 01:11:54,689 All we have to do is send a message. 1405 01:11:54,731 --> 01:11:57,317 - Donna, her life is open to the public, 1406 01:11:57,359 --> 01:12:00,111 period, at this point, because of what happened. 1407 01:12:12,665 --> 01:12:15,043 The important thing 1408 01:12:15,085 --> 01:12:16,836 as we followed this path 1409 01:12:16,878 --> 01:12:18,463 that really had been set out for us 1410 01:12:18,505 --> 01:12:22,801 was that we tell what it was really like 1411 01:12:22,842 --> 01:12:25,887 to live through something like this. 1412 01:12:25,929 --> 01:12:27,305 It's usually very personal 1413 01:12:27,347 --> 01:12:30,266 but Donna was willing to share that with everybody. 1414 01:12:39,192 --> 01:12:41,111 - This is Donna Whitson. 1415 01:12:53,206 --> 01:12:55,250 - When Amber was abducted, 1416 01:12:55,291 --> 01:12:58,003 I was still going to medical school 1417 01:12:58,044 --> 01:13:00,046 so I took a leave of absence. 1418 01:13:04,592 --> 01:13:06,928 I had to finish for her. 1419 01:13:06,970 --> 01:13:10,265 And I did. 1420 01:13:10,306 --> 01:13:13,059 - You see her going from devastating grief 1421 01:13:13,101 --> 01:13:16,604 of losing that child and dealing with that reality 1422 01:13:16,646 --> 01:13:18,398 to the other end of the spectrum 1423 01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:21,985 and was able to continue on for Amber. 1424 01:13:27,115 --> 01:13:29,117 Why is it taking so long? 1425 01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:31,202 It shouldn't take that long, you know? 1426 01:13:31,244 --> 01:13:33,413 Why can't you find this black truck? 1427 01:13:33,455 --> 01:13:35,290 Why can't you find this monster? 1428 01:13:55,143 --> 01:13:56,936 - The whole room was just packed full 1429 01:13:56,978 --> 01:13:59,606 of all this stuff about Amber's case. 1430 01:13:59,647 --> 01:14:02,609 And it was like, wow, this is overwhelming. 1431 01:14:12,327 --> 01:14:14,412 - When Amber was taken a lot of people said 1432 01:14:14,454 --> 01:14:16,581 if we could have just gotten the word out 1433 01:14:16,623 --> 01:14:18,249 there would probably be a better chance 1434 01:14:18,291 --> 01:14:20,377 that she could have been found. 1435 01:14:20,418 --> 01:14:24,589 - It is the desperate search for this little 9 year old 1436 01:14:24,631 --> 01:14:26,424 and time is of the essence. 1437 01:14:26,466 --> 01:14:30,136 And so, tell everybody in the community this has happened, 1438 01:14:30,178 --> 01:14:33,098 give them information, the photographs, the video, 1439 01:14:33,139 --> 01:14:35,767 here's the suspect vehicle 1440 01:14:35,809 --> 01:14:41,356 and then really engage to get everybody to help search. 1441 01:14:41,398 --> 01:14:43,942 - I think that was in a lot of peoples' minds 1442 01:14:43,983 --> 01:14:46,820 is, Can we do this? How can we do this, 1443 01:14:46,861 --> 01:14:50,281 and how can we put that into action? 1444 01:14:50,323 --> 01:14:53,201 Diana Simone was one of those people who could see that 1445 01:14:53,243 --> 01:14:55,912 that was a good possibility. 1446 01:14:55,954 --> 01:14:57,122 {\an8}I am Diana Simone, 1447 01:14:57,163 --> 01:15:00,291 {\an8}and I am resident of Fort Worth, Texas. 1448 01:15:00,333 --> 01:15:02,544 I rarely, if ever, watched the news. 1449 01:15:02,585 --> 01:15:06,631 But the TV was on, and as I passed by it, 1450 01:15:06,673 --> 01:15:11,011 I noticed what appeared to be somebody's home video was on. 1451 01:15:11,052 --> 01:15:13,138 There's such a different emotional reaction 1452 01:15:13,179 --> 01:15:15,432 when you see a child opening presents 1453 01:15:15,473 --> 01:15:18,393 and riding a bike and waving and smiling 1454 01:15:18,435 --> 01:15:21,146 than you do just a flat picture. 1455 01:15:21,187 --> 01:15:24,649 This child becomes very real to you. 1456 01:15:24,691 --> 01:15:28,319 Then to hear this horrifying situation had taken place, 1457 01:15:28,361 --> 01:15:29,362 you just immediately think 1458 01:15:29,404 --> 01:15:31,239 what her mother must be feeling. 1459 01:15:35,618 --> 01:15:38,830 In Amber's case, she was taken around 4:00. 1460 01:15:38,872 --> 01:15:40,457 It was 6:00 or 6:30 when I saw it. 1461 01:15:40,498 --> 01:15:43,168 So two and half hours had already passed 1462 01:15:43,209 --> 01:15:46,254 before the public became aware of what was going on. 1463 01:15:46,296 --> 01:15:48,548 I called the radio station and I said, 1464 01:15:48,590 --> 01:15:50,425 "I'm calling about the Amber Hagerman case." 1465 01:15:50,467 --> 01:15:52,844 And she said, "Do you have any information?" 1466 01:15:52,886 --> 01:15:55,388 And I said, "No, I don't, but I do have an idea." 1467 01:15:58,350 --> 01:15:59,893 - So often when children were being taken 1468 01:15:59,934 --> 01:16:02,354 it was by a suspect in a vehicle, 1469 01:16:02,395 --> 01:16:04,689 put the child in a vehicle, they drive off. 1470 01:16:04,731 --> 01:16:06,858 {\an8}So wouldn't it be great if there was a way 1471 01:16:06,900 --> 01:16:08,735 {\an8}to let everybody know about it, 1472 01:16:08,777 --> 01:16:11,780 {\an8}so that they could be your eyes and ears on the street 1473 01:16:11,821 --> 01:16:13,323 {\an8}looking for that suspect vehicle. 1474 01:16:13,365 --> 01:16:17,702 Looking for that suspect. Looking for that child. 1475 01:16:17,744 --> 01:16:20,747 Arlington Police and this group of radio station managers 1476 01:16:20,789 --> 01:16:24,125 ended up getting together, and formulating this plan 1477 01:16:24,167 --> 01:16:26,002 for this emergency broadcast alert 1478 01:16:26,044 --> 01:16:27,504 that they would put out. 1479 01:16:27,545 --> 01:16:29,631 And it would have a loud, obnoxious sound. 1480 01:16:29,673 --> 01:16:32,300 It was gonna go out on the radio stations 1481 01:16:32,342 --> 01:16:35,220 and would alert people that there'd been a child abduction, 1482 01:16:35,261 --> 01:16:37,889 give them information like where did it happen, 1483 01:16:37,931 --> 01:16:39,224 what does the suspect look like, 1484 01:16:39,265 --> 01:16:41,559 what is the suspect driving. 1485 01:16:41,601 --> 01:16:43,103 {\an8}- It's so simple, it's brilliant, 1486 01:16:43,144 --> 01:16:44,729 {\an8}because the whole idea is to be able 1487 01:16:44,771 --> 01:16:47,774 {\an8}to get out to the public information that they can use 1488 01:16:47,816 --> 01:16:51,152 {\an8}to provide us with actionable intelligence. 1489 01:16:51,194 --> 01:16:52,362 {\an8}A description of suspect. 1490 01:16:52,404 --> 01:16:54,906 {\an8}Description of vehicle. License plate. 1491 01:16:54,948 --> 01:16:57,701 {\an8}Something that they could work with. 1492 01:16:57,742 --> 01:16:59,452 {\an8}- It's a real partnership. It's a partnership 1493 01:16:59,494 --> 01:17:01,996 {\an8}between law enforcement and broadcasters 1494 01:17:02,038 --> 01:17:05,083 {\an8}to work together when time is critical 1495 01:17:05,125 --> 01:17:06,668 {\an8}on a serious child abduction case. 1496 01:17:09,170 --> 01:17:10,964 - Today we're unveiling the Amber Plan. 1497 01:17:11,006 --> 01:17:13,842 [applause] 1498 01:17:13,883 --> 01:17:18,096 - I encourage all radio stations to participate in this 1499 01:17:18,138 --> 01:17:20,223 because it is a great idea 1500 01:17:20,265 --> 01:17:22,517 and it will get information out that we need 1501 01:17:22,559 --> 01:17:26,229 to get a little girl or a little boy home. 1502 01:17:26,271 --> 01:17:28,481 {\an8}- Some staggering percentage of people 1503 01:17:28,523 --> 01:17:30,608 {\an8}had their radio on when they were in the car. 1504 01:17:30,650 --> 01:17:31,860 {\an8}And so we thought if we could get it across 1505 01:17:31,901 --> 01:17:34,112 {\an8}all the radio stations in Dallas-Fort Worth, 1506 01:17:34,154 --> 01:17:37,365 just think how many eyes we'd have out looking for the kids. 1507 01:17:37,407 --> 01:17:38,450 And so it just worked like a charm 1508 01:17:38,491 --> 01:17:40,577 as far as getting people to say, Yes. 1509 01:17:40,618 --> 01:17:42,829 And then Rae-Leigh Bradbury comes along. 1510 01:17:48,376 --> 01:17:50,795 {\an8}- We got a call that there was a missing baby 1511 01:17:50,837 --> 01:17:53,131 {\an8}by the name of Rae-Leigh. 1512 01:17:53,173 --> 01:17:57,052 {\an8}- We were living in Arlington throughout my whole pregnancy. 1513 01:17:57,093 --> 01:17:58,636 {\an8}I knew everybody. 1514 01:17:58,678 --> 01:18:00,096 {\an8}I loved everybody. 1515 01:18:00,138 --> 01:18:02,349 {\an8}And I had this little lady, she's as cute as could be. 1516 01:18:02,390 --> 01:18:04,809 Her name was Sandra Fallis. 1517 01:18:04,851 --> 01:18:06,936 I thought of her as a friend. 1518 01:18:06,978 --> 01:18:08,313 And I trusted her. 1519 01:18:08,355 --> 01:18:11,274 So that's why I felt like that it was a good choice 1520 01:18:11,316 --> 01:18:16,488 that I let her become my babysitter. 1521 01:18:16,529 --> 01:18:20,241 - I drop her off that morning in a little onesie nighty. 1522 01:18:20,283 --> 01:18:22,660 And then her diaper bag full. 1523 01:18:22,702 --> 01:18:27,123 And then just do a normal 8-hour workday. 1524 01:18:27,165 --> 01:18:29,501 - And then when evening came time 1525 01:18:29,542 --> 01:18:31,294 and the babysitter was supposed to show up with her, 1526 01:18:31,336 --> 01:18:32,587 she-- they didn't show up. 1527 01:18:36,591 --> 01:18:37,801 - I didn't think she was kidnapped. 1528 01:18:37,842 --> 01:18:39,803 That's not a word that I would even associate. 1529 01:18:42,555 --> 01:18:45,266 No local hospitals had heard of any wrecks 1530 01:18:45,308 --> 01:18:46,935 or anything like that. 1531 01:18:46,976 --> 01:18:49,896 And then finally I just decided to call 9-1-1. 1532 01:18:49,938 --> 01:18:54,609 I'm like, "My babysitter hasn't brought my baby home." 1533 01:18:54,651 --> 01:18:56,611 Basically a policeman came up 1534 01:18:56,653 --> 01:18:59,489 and he was like taking the report and stuff. 1535 01:18:59,531 --> 01:19:00,907 - And we started talking about, 1536 01:19:00,949 --> 01:19:02,659 "Well is this, is this the time we should do this?" 1537 01:19:02,701 --> 01:19:04,494 We felt like, Okay, you know, something's got to happen. 1538 01:19:04,536 --> 01:19:07,122 We've got to get this baby back. 1539 01:19:07,163 --> 01:19:08,623 I remember calling the police chief, 1540 01:19:08,665 --> 01:19:10,375 I'm getting ready to do this. 1541 01:19:10,417 --> 01:19:11,793 - They were like, "We're going to use this thing 1542 01:19:11,835 --> 01:19:13,003 called the Amber Alert." 1543 01:19:17,757 --> 01:19:19,884 - This is an activation of the Amber Alert system 1544 01:19:19,926 --> 01:19:23,096 at the request of the Arlington Police Department. 1545 01:19:23,138 --> 01:19:24,973 Arlington Police say a child, 1546 01:19:25,015 --> 01:19:28,393 a 2-month-old white female baby has been kidnapped. 1547 01:19:28,435 --> 01:19:31,146 The baby's name is Rae-Leigh Ann Bradbury. 1548 01:19:31,187 --> 01:19:34,065 Police believe the victim was abducted by her babysitter, 1549 01:19:34,107 --> 01:19:36,192 Sandra Joyce Fallis, a white female, 1550 01:19:36,234 --> 01:19:39,863 42 years of age, 5'3", 135 pounds, 1551 01:19:39,904 --> 01:19:42,699 with black hair, brown eyes and driving a turquoise 1552 01:19:42,741 --> 01:19:46,369 1993 Ford Ranger Splash pickup truck. 1553 01:19:46,411 --> 01:19:48,079 - It literally was like 30 minutes. 1554 01:19:59,007 --> 01:20:13,563 ** 1555 01:20:18,651 --> 01:20:20,070 - Guy driving down the highway next to her, 1556 01:20:20,111 --> 01:20:21,488 {\an8}looking in the vehicle, 1557 01:20:21,529 --> 01:20:23,907 {\an8}"I see the baby sitting on the front seat! 1558 01:20:23,948 --> 01:20:25,075 {\an8}"In her car seat." 1559 01:20:27,577 --> 01:20:29,454 - So we got a patrol officer out there. 1560 01:20:29,496 --> 01:20:30,955 Pulled her over, got the baby. 1561 01:20:38,630 --> 01:20:41,966 {\an8}- I was in the car driving home and I was elated. 1562 01:20:42,008 --> 01:20:44,678 {\an8}I was absolutely elated. 1563 01:20:44,719 --> 01:20:47,722 {\an8}I mean there were just, there are no words, you know. 1564 01:20:47,764 --> 01:20:50,517 {\an8}Because you're just like, "Oh, my God, it's working. 1565 01:20:50,558 --> 01:20:52,769 {\an8}"It's absolutely working." 1566 01:20:52,811 --> 01:20:54,354 {\an8}- When I was finally able to hold her, 1567 01:20:54,396 --> 01:20:55,814 {\an8}it was a relief. 1568 01:20:55,855 --> 01:20:59,818 {\an8}It was just an overwhelming relief. 1569 01:20:59,859 --> 01:21:01,611 {\an8}I didn't want to let her go. 1570 01:21:01,653 --> 01:21:04,823 {\an8}I was not going to let her go. 1571 01:21:04,864 --> 01:21:06,408 {\an8}- It couldn't have happened any better. 1572 01:21:06,449 --> 01:21:08,451 {\an8}So yeah, a happy ending 1573 01:21:08,493 --> 01:21:12,747 {\an8}to a thing rooted in a terrible tragedy. 1574 01:21:12,789 --> 01:21:14,666 {\an8}- That was awesome. Me and my mom, 1575 01:21:14,708 --> 01:21:17,377 {\an8}we just kinda looked up in heaven and said, 1576 01:21:17,419 --> 01:21:18,962 {\an8}"You did it, girl." 1577 01:21:20,505 --> 01:21:21,548 {\an8}I've said how much 1578 01:21:21,589 --> 01:21:23,633 {\an8}Amber Hagerman has meant to me. 1579 01:21:23,675 --> 01:21:25,593 {\an8}And it's true to this day, 1580 01:21:25,635 --> 01:21:27,303 {\an8}I wouldn't be here without her. 1581 01:21:27,345 --> 01:21:30,056 {\an8}I used to call her my guardian angel. 1582 01:21:30,098 --> 01:21:32,767 {\an8}I used to pray to her, just like little prayers 1583 01:21:32,809 --> 01:21:34,477 {\an8}like, "Thank you for this day", 1584 01:21:34,519 --> 01:21:37,355 {\an8}like, "Thanks for watching over me." 1585 01:21:37,397 --> 01:21:38,773 {\an8}- Every time I hear a Amber Alert, 1586 01:21:38,815 --> 01:21:41,609 {\an8}I say to myself, "It's time to go to work, Sis. 1587 01:21:41,651 --> 01:21:43,486 {\an8}"Do your thing." 1588 01:21:43,528 --> 01:21:44,696 {\an8}I just wish that 1589 01:21:44,738 --> 01:21:48,283 {\an8}Amber had something in place at the time. 1590 01:21:48,324 --> 01:21:49,826 {\an8}It's bittersweet. 1591 01:21:49,868 --> 01:21:53,204 {\an8}What if we had a Amber Alert when Amber was missing? 1592 01:21:53,246 --> 01:21:55,081 {\an8}Could it have saved her life? 1593 01:21:58,626 --> 01:22:00,962 {\an8}- Once other areas across the country 1594 01:22:01,004 --> 01:22:04,507 {\an8}heard about the program, they said, 1595 01:22:04,549 --> 01:22:07,385 {\an8}"We're going to set one up in our town." 1596 01:22:07,427 --> 01:22:11,639 {\an8}- Within weeks of us activating Amber, 1597 01:22:11,681 --> 01:22:13,183 I was receiving calls 1598 01:22:13,224 --> 01:22:16,770 and other people were receiving calls from around Texas 1599 01:22:16,811 --> 01:22:19,647 and from around the United States on, 1600 01:22:19,689 --> 01:22:21,608 "Okay, how do you do this?" 1601 01:22:21,649 --> 01:22:23,651 I would walk them through the process 1602 01:22:23,693 --> 01:22:26,071 that we went through in developing 1603 01:22:26,112 --> 01:22:29,699 the relationships with their radio stations, 1604 01:22:29,741 --> 01:22:32,327 and actually putting it in place 1605 01:22:32,369 --> 01:22:35,080 and getting it up and running. 1606 01:22:35,121 --> 01:22:37,040 We have a critical time 1607 01:22:37,082 --> 01:22:38,792 that we have to get this information out 1608 01:22:38,833 --> 01:22:41,503 to galvanize the community, 1609 01:22:41,544 --> 01:22:45,340 to get their ears and eyes looking everywhere 1610 01:22:45,382 --> 01:22:47,926 for the child, for the vehicle. 1611 01:22:47,967 --> 01:22:51,179 It was exciting to see the programs popping up 1612 01:22:51,221 --> 01:22:52,555 around the country, 1613 01:22:52,597 --> 01:22:54,891 and it was in 2000 1614 01:22:54,933 --> 01:22:57,852 that the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children 1615 01:22:57,894 --> 01:23:02,065 said, "You know what, we should take this national." 1616 01:23:02,107 --> 01:23:04,693 - And then to just see it just explode. 1617 01:23:04,734 --> 01:23:08,071 It just becomes this phenomenon and it works. 1618 01:23:13,576 --> 01:23:14,703 {\an8}Ladies and Gentlemen, 1619 01:23:14,744 --> 01:23:17,706 {\an8}the President of the United States. 1620 01:23:17,747 --> 01:23:19,374 {\an8}- President Bush signed on 1621 01:23:19,416 --> 01:23:22,002 {\an8}and said, you know, "I support this." 1622 01:23:22,043 --> 01:23:27,674 {\an8}And he designated a National Amber Alert Coordinator 1623 01:23:27,716 --> 01:23:31,177 {\an8}at the Department of Justice. 1624 01:23:31,219 --> 01:23:35,223 {\an8}- Amber Hagerman, whose mom is with us today, 1625 01:23:35,265 --> 01:23:36,933 {\an8}a good Texan I might add... 1626 01:23:36,975 --> 01:23:41,521 {\an8}[applause] 1627 01:23:41,563 --> 01:23:42,897 {\an8}Was 9 years old 1628 01:23:42,939 --> 01:23:45,942 {\an8}when she was taken away from her parents. 1629 01:23:45,984 --> 01:23:49,237 {\an8}We are acting today in her memory 1630 01:23:49,279 --> 01:23:51,614 {\an8}and in the memory of so many other girls and boys 1631 01:23:51,656 --> 01:23:53,241 {\an8}who lost their lives and innocence 1632 01:23:53,283 --> 01:23:55,118 {\an8}in acts of cruelty. 1633 01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:56,578 {\an8}And now it is my honor 1634 01:23:56,619 --> 01:24:01,583 {\an8}to sign the Protect Act of 2003. 1635 01:24:01,624 --> 01:24:04,210 {\an8}- That was sort of the crowning moment, 1636 01:24:04,252 --> 01:24:05,503 {\an8}and I get chills, 1637 01:24:05,545 --> 01:24:09,674 {\an8}because everybody's work had paid off. 1638 01:24:09,716 --> 01:24:14,429 {\an8}[applause] 1639 01:24:14,471 --> 01:24:17,057 {\an8}- It was nerve-wracking, but I was still really proud 1640 01:24:17,098 --> 01:24:20,727 {\an8}because the President is talking about my little girl. 1641 01:24:20,769 --> 01:24:22,062 {\an8}And I was able to talk to him 1642 01:24:22,103 --> 01:24:24,064 about my little girl and what happened to her. 1643 01:24:27,984 --> 01:24:30,987 Donna really evolved. 1644 01:24:31,029 --> 01:24:33,615 She turned her grief and anger 1645 01:24:33,656 --> 01:24:36,785 into advocacy. 1646 01:24:36,826 --> 01:24:40,288 She's been a champion of the Amber Alert program 1647 01:24:40,330 --> 01:24:42,123 the entire time 1648 01:24:42,165 --> 01:24:44,292 and she knows that, 1649 01:24:44,334 --> 01:24:46,670 you know, this is her daughter's legacy. 1650 01:24:55,553 --> 01:24:57,514 - Tragedy struck this community 1651 01:24:57,555 --> 01:25:01,142 {\an8}January 13, 1996. 1652 01:25:01,184 --> 01:25:03,728 {\an8}Our resolve to solve this case 1653 01:25:03,770 --> 01:25:06,981 {\an8}has not wavered. 1654 01:25:07,023 --> 01:25:09,984 {\an8}- Anytime there's an anniversary of her abduction and murder, 1655 01:25:10,026 --> 01:25:13,697 {\an8}and there's a press conference or a memorial, 1656 01:25:13,738 --> 01:25:16,116 {\an8}we have a bunch of community members 1657 01:25:16,157 --> 01:25:19,494 {\an8}come out in support of the family. 1658 01:25:19,536 --> 01:25:21,121 - This case is personal to me 1659 01:25:21,162 --> 01:25:23,039 because I've been involved in some aspect 1660 01:25:23,081 --> 01:25:25,917 since the day that Amber was abducted. 1661 01:25:25,959 --> 01:25:28,795 In 2010, I became the lead detective. 1662 01:25:28,837 --> 01:25:31,840 And I had the case from then until 2018 1663 01:25:31,881 --> 01:25:33,717 when I promoted to Sergeant. 1664 01:25:33,758 --> 01:25:35,885 At that time Detective Grant Gildon 1665 01:25:35,927 --> 01:25:37,929 {\an8}took over as the lead detective. 1666 01:25:37,971 --> 01:25:40,765 {\an8}- Actually, I was a sophomore in high school 1667 01:25:40,807 --> 01:25:42,684 {\an8}when, when this case happened. 1668 01:25:42,726 --> 01:25:44,227 {\an8}And I remember hearing of the Amber Alert 1669 01:25:44,269 --> 01:25:46,062 {\an8}and that it was named after a young girl 1670 01:25:46,104 --> 01:25:48,690 {\an8}that was kidnapped and murdered. 1671 01:25:48,732 --> 01:25:51,693 It wasn't until I was applying 1672 01:25:51,735 --> 01:25:53,570 with the Arlington Police Department 1673 01:25:53,611 --> 01:25:55,613 that I became aware that 1674 01:25:55,655 --> 01:25:58,700 the case originated in Arlington, Texas. 1675 01:25:58,742 --> 01:26:00,702 I saw just how passionate they were 1676 01:26:00,744 --> 01:26:02,871 about trying to solve Amber's case. 1677 01:26:02,912 --> 01:26:05,206 Then it, it really struck me that 1678 01:26:05,248 --> 01:26:08,043 that was something I wanted to help contribute to. 1679 01:26:08,084 --> 01:26:10,211 The figure we gave of 5,500. 1680 01:26:10,253 --> 01:26:13,548 That's the number of leads the Amber Hagerman Task Force 1681 01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:16,551 investigated between February of '96 1682 01:26:16,593 --> 01:26:18,178 and June of '97. 1683 01:26:18,219 --> 01:26:22,891 Current to date, we've investigated over 7,000. 1684 01:26:22,932 --> 01:26:26,061 {\an8}- The 25th year anniversary is just another year with, 1685 01:26:26,102 --> 01:26:29,564 {\an8}with no answers, no justice, and we want that to change. 1686 01:26:29,606 --> 01:26:31,941 {\an8}We want justice. That's our goal. 1687 01:26:31,983 --> 01:26:35,236 {\an8}That's-that's what we need. Our family needs closure. 1688 01:26:35,278 --> 01:26:38,990 - One of the major, um, issues with a case 1689 01:26:39,032 --> 01:26:41,910 that is a long-term case like this 1690 01:26:41,951 --> 01:26:44,704 is that, you know, people forget about it. 1691 01:26:44,746 --> 01:26:48,124 But Amber's killer is out there somewhere. 1692 01:26:48,166 --> 01:27:03,264 ** 1693 01:27:06,017 --> 01:27:09,562 - After 25 years, of course it gets frustrating at times 1694 01:27:09,604 --> 01:27:11,690 because we want to solve the case 1695 01:27:11,731 --> 01:27:15,110 and we want answers for Amber's family. 1696 01:27:15,151 --> 01:27:18,321 But as homicide detectives 1697 01:27:18,363 --> 01:27:20,990 we never let that frustration get to us 1698 01:27:21,032 --> 01:27:23,493 to the point of quitting. 1699 01:27:23,535 --> 01:27:27,789 {\an8}- Recently, there was some new technology 1700 01:27:27,831 --> 01:27:29,332 {\an8}that I became aware of 1701 01:27:29,374 --> 01:27:33,920 {\an8}that we thought was relevant to some of the evidence 1702 01:27:33,962 --> 01:27:36,840 {\an8}that we've maintained in this case. 1703 01:27:36,881 --> 01:27:40,093 We've started to discuss the possibility 1704 01:27:40,135 --> 01:27:42,345 of testing some of the evidence we have 1705 01:27:42,387 --> 01:27:46,599 that we hope can produce DNA in this case. 1706 01:27:46,641 --> 01:27:47,851 With Amber, 1707 01:27:47,892 --> 01:27:52,022 there is just not much trace evidence at all. 1708 01:27:52,063 --> 01:27:53,606 - The main question when determining 1709 01:27:53,648 --> 01:27:54,816 what evidence to test 1710 01:27:54,858 --> 01:27:57,235 and what kind of testing to do 1711 01:27:57,277 --> 01:28:00,739 is thinking about the quantity of the evidence 1712 01:28:00,780 --> 01:28:02,824 and whether or not you're going to use up 1713 01:28:02,866 --> 01:28:06,745 or consume all of the potential DNA 1714 01:28:06,786 --> 01:28:08,705 while doing the testing. 1715 01:28:08,747 --> 01:28:11,875 - Is it worth the risk of destroying all the evidence 1716 01:28:11,916 --> 01:28:14,127 in the testing process? 1717 01:28:14,169 --> 01:28:19,132 Or is it something we should wait a few months to test 1718 01:28:19,174 --> 01:28:21,843 because of the advancements in the technology 1719 01:28:21,885 --> 01:28:25,096 that are taking place very rapidly? 1720 01:28:25,138 --> 01:28:29,434 - The motivating factor for me is thinking of Amber's mother 1721 01:28:29,476 --> 01:28:34,314 and also Amber's brother and- and how he has grown up 1722 01:28:34,356 --> 01:28:38,234 and just wanting answers from that day. 1723 01:28:38,276 --> 01:28:41,196 I believe that the person who kidnapped 1724 01:28:41,237 --> 01:28:44,366 and murdered Amber Hagerman is still alive. 1725 01:28:44,407 --> 01:28:46,910 If we continue to work this case, 1726 01:28:46,951 --> 01:28:49,454 we will be able to bring them to justice. 1727 01:28:49,496 --> 01:28:52,207 I also believe there are people out there 1728 01:28:52,248 --> 01:28:55,001 who know the details about what happened. 1729 01:28:55,043 --> 01:28:56,878 That's why continue to take every lead 1730 01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,881 and investigate it as thoroughly as possible 1731 01:28:59,923 --> 01:29:02,217 in hopes that one of these leads 1732 01:29:02,258 --> 01:29:05,261 will eventually lead us to the killer. 1733 01:29:14,979 --> 01:29:16,690 Hold me up, Daddy. 1734 01:29:16,731 --> 01:29:19,067 Here we go. 1735 01:29:19,109 --> 01:29:21,277 Aw, don't cry. 1736 01:29:21,319 --> 01:29:22,904 Aw. 1737 01:29:22,946 --> 01:29:27,075 Hi baby, hello. 1738 01:29:27,117 --> 01:29:31,079 - This is my daughter little Gracie Rene Hagerman. 1739 01:29:31,121 --> 01:29:34,624 So we gave her Amber's middle name, Rene. 1740 01:29:34,666 --> 01:29:39,087 She was actually born on the same day as Amber, 1741 01:29:39,129 --> 01:29:42,590 November 25th, and in the same hour. 1742 01:29:46,803 --> 01:29:48,263 My son is happy. 1743 01:29:48,304 --> 01:29:49,973 I want to cry every time I see my son 1744 01:29:50,015 --> 01:29:51,933 because he is so happy. 1745 01:29:51,975 --> 01:29:54,185 He is in a good place now. 1746 01:29:54,227 --> 01:30:00,567 Makes my heart good to see him happy. 1747 01:30:01,151 --> 01:30:03,194 So life is okay now. 1748 01:30:09,784 --> 01:30:12,287 - Oh, my gosh. How are you doing? 1749 01:30:16,750 --> 01:30:17,625 - It's so good to see you. 1750 01:30:17,667 --> 01:30:19,961 - It's good to see you, too. 1751 01:30:20,003 --> 01:30:21,504 There was a little bit of nervousness 1752 01:30:21,546 --> 01:30:24,799 about how she would feel and I would feel 1753 01:30:24,841 --> 01:30:27,677 after so long a time. 1754 01:30:27,719 --> 01:30:30,805 But when I saw her it was one of those situations 1755 01:30:30,847 --> 01:30:34,351 where you felt like no time had passed away at all. 1756 01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,564 It's such an honor to have been a part 1757 01:30:39,606 --> 01:30:43,360 of what happened and where we are today. 1758 01:30:43,401 --> 01:30:48,031 And I know that Donna wants to continue 1759 01:30:48,073 --> 01:30:51,368 to look at that every time a child is saved, 1760 01:30:51,409 --> 01:30:53,495 that that makes a difference to her. 1761 01:30:53,536 --> 01:30:55,455 And it makes a difference to me, too. 1762 01:30:59,542 --> 01:31:02,420 - The main reason why I'm doing this documentary today 1763 01:31:02,462 --> 01:31:04,172 is to kind of let people know 1764 01:31:04,214 --> 01:31:06,549 what kind of little girl Amber was. 1765 01:31:06,591 --> 01:31:09,177 She's always helping other little children 1766 01:31:09,219 --> 01:31:12,180 and, and taking care of children. 1767 01:31:12,222 --> 01:31:14,474 And she always took care of her little brother. 1768 01:31:14,516 --> 01:31:17,435 So this is just another way for her to do that. 1769 01:31:17,477 --> 01:31:19,813 She's still doing what she loved. 1770 01:31:23,233 --> 01:31:26,695 She was not just a victim. She was my daughter. 1771 01:31:26,736 --> 01:31:29,948 She was somebody. She is somebody still today. 1772 01:31:29,989 --> 01:31:45,255 {\an8}** 1773 01:31:55,140 --> 01:32:07,610 {\an8}** 131607

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