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Talib: You know, he's
such an unassuming person.
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When you meet him, he doesn't
scream Peanut Butter Wolf.
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(lively music)
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A-Trak: Peanut Butter Wolf.
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I mean, yeah he's a character
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and I think that the quirks of
his personality are a big part
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of what has made Stones
Throw such a cool label.
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Krondon: Stones Throw created
a home for all musicians.
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It created a home-producers,
rock groups, whatever.
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Motherfuckers.
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(lively music)
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?uestlove: I admire Wolf's strive
for embracing the unembraced.
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He's able to pull all
these acts together
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and cultivate an underground.
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Common: The work that
Peanut Butter Wolf does
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I think is like, necessary.
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There's no limitations to the things
that he chooses to do with music.
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No regard for like well,
these are the rules.
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I think that's like what
we wanna hear in music.
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Dam-Funk: Wolf, what's up
with you? That's right, y'all.
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What's happening, world?
This is Dam-Funk.
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You're tuned in to Peanut Butter
Wolf's 1 2/1 2/12, y'all.
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Boiler Room, check it out.
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♫ (lyrics) Don't go
swag, just stay cool.
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Don't go swag, just stay you.
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You know we gonna keep
on funking you till I die, y'all.
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Got the Afro now you motherfuckers
can't hate on my perm, no.
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You know I'm gon' keep on funking
you till you fucking learn, y'all.
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Don't go swag, just stay cool.
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Don't go swag, just stay you.
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And if I ever hear
you motherfuckers
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tell me this bullshit,
trying to walk up to me
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and you ain't black
singing that N word
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Imma fuck you up, y'all.
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(crowd laughing)
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Don't go swag, just stay cool.
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Don't go swag, just stay you.
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Give it up for PB Wolf keeping
this shit real true, y'all.
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(crowd cheering)
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Fifteen years, you know we gonna
keep on doin' it y'all, yeah.
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Worldwide, L.A., Bay Area,
San Jose, Fresno, San Diego
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L.A., Pasadena. You know we
gonna keep it real true, oh yeah.
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Make some noise if
you're feeling this shit
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y'all right now y'all, oh ♫
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(crowd cheering)
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Kanye: It's just those moments
where you meet with these people
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and you understand that this
is a culture and a lifestyle
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and an inspiration for so many
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and it feels amazing when you
can walk into these spaces
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and you know, live inside
of that creative zone
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when people just keep it, you
know, to that level of purity.
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Voiceover: This is
♪ Stones Throw ♪
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Voiceover: The Tomorrow People.
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♫ (lyrics) What is the
magic that makes one's eyes
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Sparkle and gleam,
light up the skies
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The name of the
game is Lightworks ♫
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(upbeat intro music)
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Wolf: I think the first song
I remember from my childhood
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was The Entertainer from
the movie The Sting.
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(piano music playing)
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Lori: He was a sweetie pie
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and very focused at
a young age on music.
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(piano music playing)
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Wolf: My dad was in the service.
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After I was born he went
away to the Vietnam War
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and he came back when I was 2.
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(piano music playing)
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We moved around.
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We had to have moved to like
5 or 6 houses in 3 years.
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Boston, South and North Dakota,
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3 or 4 different cities in
Texas, Southern California
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and then eventually
settled in San Jose.
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(ship horn)
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(piano music playing)
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I was literally on the
moving truck and I came out
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and a kid like knocked
on the moving truck door.
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Steve: And I went
up to him and said,
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"Hi, my name is Steve.
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Do you wanna be my friend?"
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So that's how long
I've known him.
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(piano music playing)
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Wolf: And I thought it was so
funny and like nerdy and weird
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but I was like, I don't
have any friends here.
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I might as well give
this guy a chance.
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Chris: So, that's how
they got together
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and they started singing or playing
this music in the garage.
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Wolf: We kinda got into disco
and soul and funk together.
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Voiceover: Hi, this
is your DJ Chris
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with the top 50
hits of our record.
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Michael Jackson's new song--
That was Sexual Healing by Marvin Gaye.
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A super old time
singer, I mean old.
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Here's a song for all
of us kind of people DJ.
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Next song on our countdown
is a song by Diana Ross,
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who's been in a lot of
our countdowns before.
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Well, I'm gonna have to go now
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because I have to do
a dumb book report.
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Lori: Poor boy didn't eat his lunch.
He'd take the lunch money.
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He thought I didn't know.
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He took the lunch money
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and he'd get a ride
to the record store.
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Steve: We'd just like
buy a candy bar for lunch
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and save the rest of the
money and go buy records.
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Wolf: Between the two of us,
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like if one of us bought the record
then the other one wouldn't
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because he lived across
the street from me
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and then we would have twice
as many records that way.
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(upbeat music)
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By the time I got
into high school,
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I started getting into
more new wave and punk
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and that was around the
time when I met Jeff Jank.
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(upbeat music)
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Steve: We were just
kind of the music clique.
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Me, Chris, Jeff Jank, Dave Gatt.
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Dave: I know Chris
wasn't just into hip-hop.
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I knew he liked The Cure,
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I knew he liked New Order.
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I knew he liked all these
other types of music.
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(upbeat music)
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Steve: We didn't really fit
in to one particular clique.
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We were friends with all
of the different cliques
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because we were into all of
the different types of music.
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Alternative or new wave crowd.
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We were friends with the
jocks, we were friends
with the hip-hop crowd,
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we were friends with
just about every crowd
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except for the heavy metal crowd
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because that's the type of
music that we weren't into,
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but we're still cool with them.
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John: We were 80's kids
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but were basically into counter
culture no matter what it was.
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(upbeat music)
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Hip-hop, punk rock, new wave.
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Anything that was like opposite
of the mainstream we were into.
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Wolf: And it was at that
time I started experimenting
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and playing instruments
and playing in bands.
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First band I was in
was with Jeff Jank.
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(loud music)
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He was the guy in my high school
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that I thought was gonna really
be like a successful musician.
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I was like a super fan,
you know, from afar
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and then he asked
me to be in his band.
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I felt like that was
a dream come true.
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(loud music)
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I loved what I was doing with Jeff
but I think my talents and my
passion at that point
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were more into hip-hop.
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(hip-hop music)
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Charizma: Come on,
come on, come on.
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Charizma: I said, the hip hop.
Wolf: it don't stop.
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Charizma: The hip-hop.
Wolf: It don't stop.
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Charizma: The hip-hop.
Wolf: It don't stop
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Charizma: The hip-hop.
Wolf: It don't stop.
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Charizma: Now do you
got the flavor?
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Come on Jeff, let's
go in the studio.
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Charizma that's my name
or shall I introduce myself,
self live and direct.
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Yo I'm movin' off this--
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Wolf: How are you doing?
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My name's Peanut Butter Wolf.
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I'm here at the studio.
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(upbeat music)
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Amy: Charizma ended up
being kinda my 3rd brother.
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He was at the house nonstop.
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We had like this
wall on the staircase
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that had like all
our family photos,
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and we took a picture of
Charizma and put it up there.
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Jonny: That time period was kind
of the Will Smith kind of era.
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Like when Will Smith
was like radio friendly.
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Like, "Oh, this hip-hop stuff
isn't so bad son," you know?
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Chris and Charizma
had that kind of appeal
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but with still being like
edgy, still being punks.
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(hip-hop music)
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♫ (lyrics) Beat box
play one for me ♫
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(beatboxing)
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(upbeat music)
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Amy: They were
really silly together.
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Chris was really shy
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and he brought out like a
really funny, creative side.
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So, it wasn't unheard of
for the two of them
to, you know, get in costume.
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Jonny: He would talk
Chris into getting like
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dressed up with
wigs and like 70's,
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like really weird clothes
from thrift stores.
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(upbeat music)
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Wolf: Okay, Public
Enemy? No, too violent.
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Charizma: No. Beastie
Boys, that's too old.
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Beastie Boys. X-Clan.
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My name's Mike D.
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Mike D: I'm psyched to hear
Chris was somehow inspired by
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or encouraged by
what we were doing
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because I think
they're a great example
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of just being really independent
being really creative.
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B FAP: Here we
go Mystic Television.
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We're sitting right here.
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You know who I am, I'm B FAP,
the Brother From Another Planet.
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We got Charizma on one side
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and we got the Peanut Butter
Wolf over there, no jelly.
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How did you get that
name Peanut Butter Wolf?
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Wolf: Oh, that's a
secret, that's a secret.
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Charizma: We're
from the Bay Area.
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Basically, Chris was about
you know, the crazy styles,
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being different, the apple
juice, the cut off hat
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you know, which I
originated and all that.
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Wolf: Am I supposed to
look like into there or?
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B FAP: Why not?
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Wolf: I'm a new jack,
I'm a new jack.
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Charizma: We get categorized
as the West Coast group
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and people think that you know,
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just because you're
from the West Coast,
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you got like this stigma on you.
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Like you're doing
this gangster rap
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or you're doing this or that,
you ain't got no skills.
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So basically, Charizma's out
here just to let you know
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that they are some brothers
from the West Coast,
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they got skills, you know?
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We're here trying to do what
we got to do and be different.
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Voiceover: Look at that crazy
hat and that apple juice there.
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This guy is nuts.
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♫ (lyrics) I'm pulling skin
since I'm the real McCoy
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I take girls and line
them up like corduroys
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This ain't a hand-me-down
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Everyone loves a superstar
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I love my mom
call breaks red light ♫
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Charizma: My advice to
any up and coming artist
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be true to what you do
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and be different, be
original, be yourself.
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You know, this hip-
hop industry is crazy.
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Voiceover: What is the MC
if you can't green light.
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♫ (lyrics) Check 1, 2
with the check 1, 2
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I like to come back like ♫
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Charizma: Kind of hard to
categorize Charizma.
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I'm hard then I'm cool then
I'm apple juice, you know?
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We're just trying
to be different.
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♫ (lyrics) A thousand
people shot
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And all the hoods that ran
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Thinking how could all this
happen in front of one man
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I made a move on the
girls with the good looks
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That's overdue like
a library book ♫
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Voiceover: Yo,
Chris, rewind that man.
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Woman: He's still unsigned
but not for long
239
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because Charizma is South
Bay large and rising.
240
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All, I feel y'all, peace.
241
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(crowd clapping)
242
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Grand The Visitor: Very
few people leave San Jose
243
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and blow up and become
super stars in music.
244
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It's just a little
suburb, you know,
245
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attached to the back
end of San Francisco.
246
00:14:15,359 --> 00:14:17,736
(upbeat music)
247
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You think about it.
248
00:14:18,820 --> 00:14:20,614
You're trying to
tell your family
249
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that you're gonna be
successful as an MC.
250
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This is like winning
Powerball, right?
251
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This is like winning the
lottery. I'm gonna be
successful in music
252
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and we're not gonna ever
have to worry about this.
253
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Right, right dude.
254
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(chuckles) Right.
255
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Kermitt: Notoriety you
know, makes people
look at you strange.
256
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It was interesting.
257
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Being with him there
was a lot of crews
258
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that they weren't happy
that we were so prominent
259
00:14:48,809 --> 00:14:49,893
but there was a
love for the fact
260
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that San Jose was coming up.
261
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You know, there was a lot
of hope behind Charizma
and what was going on.
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Joanne: In the South Bay,
Charizma is ready to blow up.
263
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Negotiations for his plat
single are going on right now.
264
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They got signed up with
of course Hollywood
Basics out of L.A.
265
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(knocking)
266
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(hip-hop music)
267
00:15:26,179 --> 00:15:28,306
♫ (lyrics) Now this little
rhyme goes to the hood
268
00:15:28,515 --> 00:15:30,809
And this little riddle-rhyme
is up to no good
269
00:15:31,017 --> 00:15:33,311
So why don't you just come
selector, come selector
270
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The beat will flip it up
271
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And like a recipe
why don't you mix it up
272
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And mix it up, right.
273
00:15:38,191 --> 00:15:39,693
Yo, well, here we go,
well, here we go
274
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The reggae style is not, not me
275
00:15:41,820 --> 00:15:43,405
But I go buck-buck on, one time
276
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buck-buck, two times
277
00:15:45,365 --> 00:15:47,826
So what, so call it coffee
'cause this all grind-grinds.
278
00:15:48,034 --> 00:15:50,328
Swell, can't you tell I'm flowin
That fast, you can't lie
279
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I put on my hat, my shirt
and then my sneakers and
my pants sag down ♫
280
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Voiceover: Yo, it's the
Hollywood Basic segment,
you know what I'm saying?
281
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I got Charizma in the house.
That's right.
282
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Voiceover: Real quick
and then Charizma.
283
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Coming out of San Jose, when
your music coming out, yo?
284
00:16:04,384 --> 00:16:07,846
Charizma: April, May, May-ish April,
we're droppin' a 12-inch.
285
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Red Light, Green Light.
Here's a Smirk
286
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Voiceover: Why don't you
talk about a little bit
287
00:16:11,475 --> 00:16:15,187
about your little
adventure up in L.A.?
288
00:16:15,395 --> 00:16:17,856
Joanne: I'll never forget the day, how
happy they were when they came home.
289
00:16:18,064 --> 00:16:19,983
He says, "I really feel like a celebrity."
290
00:16:20,192 --> 00:16:23,236
And just happy, happy.
291
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Just ecstatic two kids.
292
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We threw them a big party
when they got back, too.
293
00:16:27,365 --> 00:16:31,828
So, I think at that point, he
really felt like he was a star.
294
00:16:32,037 --> 00:16:33,663
Wolf: It was nice. They had
a little party for us.
295
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And they were like snapping photos
of us signing the contracts.
296
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It was sort of crazy.
297
00:16:38,335 --> 00:16:39,753
The pictures were all
(rapid camera sound).
298
00:16:41,546 --> 00:16:43,256
Joanne: You guys got
like celebrities, huh?
299
00:16:43,465 --> 00:16:45,592
Charizma: Yeah.
Wolf: A little bit of starstruck.
300
00:16:46,510 --> 00:16:48,845
Grand The Visitor: The record
business is not clear cut.
301
00:16:49,054 --> 00:16:53,099
They got hooked up into a label
that has some constraints to it.
302
00:16:53,642 --> 00:16:58,063
They wasn't able to get
their hands on their money
303
00:16:58,271 --> 00:16:59,564
though they knew it was there.
304
00:16:59,773 --> 00:17:03,568
(soul music)
305
00:17:03,777 --> 00:17:06,029
I think there was a lot of
people depending on them.
306
00:17:06,238 --> 00:17:08,823
(soul music)
307
00:17:09,032 --> 00:17:12,202
You know, with his family, with his
friends, people around them.
308
00:17:12,410 --> 00:17:14,120
(soul music)
309
00:17:14,329 --> 00:17:16,373
There was a lot of
pressure to make it work
310
00:17:16,581 --> 00:17:19,084
and to make it look
like it's working.
311
00:17:19,292 --> 00:17:25,590
(soul music)
312
00:17:25,799 --> 00:17:27,008
Charizma: Thank you, Grandma.
313
00:17:27,217 --> 00:17:41,690
(soul music)
314
00:17:41,898 --> 00:17:45,277
Voiceover: You kids have
fun, I know you will.
315
00:17:45,485 --> 00:17:56,580
(soul music)
316
00:17:56,788 --> 00:17:59,165
Grand The Visitor: They
didn't really have it all yet.
317
00:17:59,374 --> 00:18:02,794
So, I think he was trying
to keep that image.
318
00:18:03,003 --> 00:18:07,090
Kermitt: Charizma got caught up in
something that was longstanding
319
00:18:07,299 --> 00:18:11,177
that really didn't have
much to do with him at all.
320
00:18:11,386 --> 00:18:13,888
Grand The Visitor: He was in a area
where people are starving to death.
321
00:18:14,097 --> 00:18:17,976
Voiceover: East Palo Alto is the
poorest city in San Mateo County.
322
00:18:18,184 --> 00:18:20,937
Kermitt: Really anybody
from San Jose at that time
323
00:18:21,146 --> 00:18:23,565
in those areas was dangerous.
324
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Voiceover: 42
homicides last year.
325
00:18:25,525 --> 00:18:28,987
Has the highest number of killings per
capita of any US city.
326
00:18:31,156 --> 00:18:34,075
Wolf: He was driving his car and
somebody tried to carjack him
327
00:18:34,284 --> 00:18:36,369
and he resisted.
328
00:18:36,578 --> 00:18:41,958
(soul music)
329
00:18:42,167 --> 00:18:44,753
B FAP: Together forever
like a love song.
330
00:18:45,712 --> 00:18:46,755
Charizma: Together forever.
331
00:18:50,717 --> 00:18:52,093
(gun shots)
332
00:18:52,302 --> 00:19:01,102
(soul music)
333
00:19:04,689 --> 00:19:06,066
Wolf: Yeah, I got
the call the next day
334
00:19:06,274 --> 00:19:08,902
and you know, it was...
335
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:12,697
I mean, you never
in a million years
336
00:19:12,906 --> 00:19:14,574
can believe something like that.
337
00:19:14,783 --> 00:19:19,954
Maria: I remember that day
because it was my Christmas Ball,
338
00:19:20,163 --> 00:19:25,043
my senior Christmas ball and we had,
I had seen him on that Wednesday
339
00:19:25,251 --> 00:19:28,546
and we said, "Oh, yeah,
let's not talk tomorrow
340
00:19:28,755 --> 00:19:30,298
because it'll be more exciting
341
00:19:30,507 --> 00:19:32,092
when we see each
other on Friday."
342
00:19:32,300 --> 00:19:36,012
So, I didn't plan to
talk to him on that day.
343
00:19:37,138 --> 00:19:40,266
I was at home watching
TV and Chris called.
344
00:19:40,475 --> 00:19:42,602
He told me that he was gone,
345
00:19:42,811 --> 00:19:43,978
that Charizma was gone.
346
00:19:45,021 --> 00:19:46,314
Wolf: I didn't know what to do.
347
00:19:46,523 --> 00:19:47,524
I mean I was just...
348
00:19:48,692 --> 00:19:50,110
I took a break from everything
349
00:19:50,318 --> 00:19:52,779
and just didn't really...
350
00:19:52,987 --> 00:19:55,323
I just turned off basically.
351
00:19:58,868 --> 00:20:28,606
(hip-hop music)
352
00:20:43,288 --> 00:20:46,499
I was determined for the music
we had done together to be heard
353
00:20:47,375 --> 00:20:50,044
and every label I
sent it to was either
354
00:20:51,087 --> 00:20:53,715
no thanks or just no response.
355
00:20:53,923 --> 00:20:56,009
So in 1996 I started
Stones Throw.
356
00:21:03,933 --> 00:21:16,821
(alarm beeping)
357
00:21:28,166 --> 00:21:29,709
(finger snapping)
358
00:21:32,921 --> 00:21:41,012
(ticking sound)
359
00:21:41,221 --> 00:21:48,353
(beating sound)
360
00:21:48,561 --> 00:21:51,940
(rattling sound)
361
00:21:52,148 --> 00:22:03,159
(up tempo music)
362
00:22:03,368 --> 00:22:06,079
(rattling sound)
363
00:22:06,287 --> 00:22:13,169
(up tempo music)
364
00:22:13,378 --> 00:22:16,756
(upbeat music)
365
00:22:16,965 --> 00:22:19,968
Jonwayne: I feel like we're all
one and the same around here.
366
00:22:20,176 --> 00:22:22,178
We're all striving for the same
thing for you know, more or less
367
00:22:22,387 --> 00:22:24,764
which is the advancement
of independent music.
368
00:22:24,973 --> 00:22:29,102
Ariel: It almost feels like
Stones Throw is a home of sorts.
369
00:22:29,310 --> 00:22:30,687
It's a very welcoming vibe.
370
00:22:30,895 --> 00:22:33,189
It's almost like Peanut Butter
Wolf created his own genre.
371
00:22:33,398 --> 00:22:39,571
(upbeat music)
372
00:22:39,779 --> 00:22:41,781
Wolf: Most of the time it's
an uphill battle anyways
373
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:46,035
because most of the things I sign
are things that nobody's heard of.
374
00:22:46,244 --> 00:22:50,999
(upbeat music)
375
00:22:51,207 --> 00:22:52,458
?uestlove: I think as a curator,
376
00:22:52,667 --> 00:22:54,878
Peanut Butter Wolf is
absolutely needed
377
00:22:55,086 --> 00:22:57,672
and we need more people
to follow his example.
378
00:22:57,881 --> 00:23:00,925
Smaller movements make
for a bigger better culture.
379
00:23:02,260 --> 00:23:04,721
Royal Kush: I feel like
the Lost Boys is a term
380
00:23:04,929 --> 00:23:06,848
that shouldn't be
thrown around lightly
381
00:23:07,056 --> 00:23:12,186
but I think a lot of the people that Chris
brings into the family are looking for a
place.
382
00:23:12,395 --> 00:23:16,691
(upbeat music)
383
00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:17,984
Myron: L.A. is a big place
384
00:23:18,192 --> 00:23:20,695
and everything is all
about how big, how fancy,
385
00:23:20,904 --> 00:23:22,572
how Hollywood you are
386
00:23:22,780 --> 00:23:26,492
and after coming across Stones Throw
it just feels a lot more free.
387
00:23:30,538 --> 00:23:39,547
(funk music)
388
00:23:39,756 --> 00:23:41,174
Dam-Funk: Today let's
just see if we could, you know--
389
00:23:41,382 --> 00:23:43,176
I don't know, we'll
see but it's easy.
390
00:23:43,384 --> 00:23:46,888
It's fast, like a drum
and bass type sound.
391
00:23:47,096 --> 00:23:48,222
You know, we'll see.
392
00:23:48,431 --> 00:23:49,515
Man, this sounds great.
393
00:23:49,724 --> 00:23:50,934
I'm just gonna get
set up real quick.
394
00:23:51,142 --> 00:23:52,977
1, 2, 3, oh.
395
00:23:53,186 --> 00:23:57,899
(upbeat music)
396
00:23:58,107 --> 00:23:59,943
Being on Stones Throw
has really changed my life.
397
00:24:00,151 --> 00:24:02,570
I mean before I was on Stones
Throw I was driving trucks.
398
00:24:02,779 --> 00:24:06,449
I was delivering tools to
places, I was working for
the American Red Cross.
399
00:24:06,658 --> 00:24:08,451
All that stuff was fun I mean
400
00:24:08,660 --> 00:24:11,955
but all the while I was always
recording and doing music
401
00:24:12,163 --> 00:24:14,082
and I never gave up the dream.
402
00:24:14,290 --> 00:24:25,635
(upbeat music)
403
00:24:25,843 --> 00:24:27,637
At the end of the day
when I'm smoking a cigar
404
00:24:27,845 --> 00:24:30,181
and at a beach somewhere
like you know, chilling
405
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:32,892
with a Cadillac margarita,
you know later in life
406
00:24:33,101 --> 00:24:36,062
I like to look back and say I
never did you know, sell out.
407
00:24:36,270 --> 00:24:38,690
And that's the type of
artist I wanna continue to be
408
00:24:38,898 --> 00:24:41,859
and that's the kind of artist
that Stones Throw
has at this current time.
409
00:24:42,068 --> 00:24:46,823
(upbeat music)
410
00:24:47,031 --> 00:24:50,576
A-Trak: It takes someone with
unusual personality I think
411
00:24:50,785 --> 00:24:54,872
to sort of see these little
nuggets of potential in people
412
00:24:55,081 --> 00:24:56,290
and actually invest
the friendship
413
00:24:56,499 --> 00:25:02,422
and spend time with people
that have that potential.
414
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:13,683
(piano music)
415
00:25:13,891 --> 00:25:16,060
Mayer: Put on my first
album with Stones Throw
416
00:25:16,269 --> 00:25:18,271
and it's been a
wild ride since then.
417
00:25:18,479 --> 00:25:21,774
♫ (lyrics) Well I wish
that it would rain ♫
418
00:25:24,694 --> 00:25:26,112
I was trying to
make hip-hop music.
419
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,614
I had just moved to
L.A. from Detroit.
420
00:25:28,823 --> 00:25:30,199
I didn't really know anybody.
421
00:25:30,408 --> 00:25:31,451
I got introduced to Wolf
422
00:25:31,659 --> 00:25:34,912
and I was trying to get him
to put out some of
my hip-hop music.
423
00:25:35,121 --> 00:25:39,751
He was more interested in
these demos that I did in my
bedroom of soul music.
424
00:25:39,959 --> 00:25:43,629
It was stuff that I never
really had any plans on
making into a full album
425
00:25:43,838 --> 00:25:46,132
but you know,
he's got that vision.
426
00:25:46,340 --> 00:25:48,801
He's really pretty
magical in that sense.
427
00:25:49,010 --> 00:25:50,553
Wolf: I feel like I'm
kind of a stomping ground
428
00:25:50,762 --> 00:25:52,055
to start people's careers
429
00:25:52,263 --> 00:25:54,724
and then they can kind of
do what they want after.
430
00:25:54,932 --> 00:25:57,727
I think that's why I like
working with a lot
of younger artists.
431
00:25:59,687 --> 00:26:04,275
Vex: I made a demo with
like 8 songs and I sent it
to like 6 other labels.
432
00:26:05,318 --> 00:26:08,071
Only label that hit me
back was Stones Throw, Wolf.
433
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:13,326
♫ (lyrics) Fancy, I'll show you
434
00:26:13,534 --> 00:26:14,619
You'll see ♫
435
00:26:15,578 --> 00:26:17,955
I work at the UPS Airport
436
00:26:18,164 --> 00:26:21,584
and I just drive tugs
around the airport.
437
00:26:21,793 --> 00:26:25,046
♫ (lyrics) 'Cause I've
been on a lonely road
438
00:26:25,254 --> 00:26:27,840
And I still got a
long way to go ♫
439
00:26:29,383 --> 00:26:31,928
Wolf is the godfather
of my son now.
440
00:26:32,136 --> 00:26:33,805
Anika: You know
there are these kids
441
00:26:34,013 --> 00:26:35,223
that are making records
in their own rooms.
442
00:26:35,431 --> 00:26:37,183
I mean, Vex Ruffin's a very...
443
00:26:37,767 --> 00:26:39,435
He's a good example of that.
444
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,272
What we're doing is trying
to go against the mainstream
445
00:26:43,481 --> 00:26:46,818
and go against this
kind of fake world
446
00:26:47,026 --> 00:26:49,278
that the music industry
is pasting for everyone.
447
00:26:52,115 --> 00:26:54,617
♫ (lyrics) I know how
the system works
448
00:26:54,826 --> 00:26:57,203
I know how the people work
449
00:26:59,122 --> 00:27:01,958
I know how the system works
450
00:27:02,166 --> 00:27:03,626
And it doesn't
451
00:27:06,003 --> 00:27:10,591
Stop looking over your
shoulder, no one's there
452
00:27:12,677 --> 00:27:17,723
Stop looking over your
shoulder, no one's there
453
00:27:20,143 --> 00:27:24,522
Stop looking over your
shoulder, no one's there ♫
454
00:27:25,982 --> 00:27:28,693
They're not resting on their
laurels which is what I
admire about them.
455
00:27:28,901 --> 00:27:29,777
They're not scared of change
456
00:27:29,986 --> 00:27:33,781
and they're not scared of
embracing what's coming
up in the future, so...
457
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:38,578
(crowd screaming)
458
00:27:38,786 --> 00:27:42,582
Geoff: Majors, they've
got individual departments
for taking a leak.
459
00:27:42,790 --> 00:27:45,251
Smaller labels and I know this
myself because I've run them.
460
00:27:45,459 --> 00:27:47,795
It's a very hands on business.
461
00:27:48,004 --> 00:27:49,463
It's a Very personal business.
462
00:27:50,464 --> 00:27:52,592
Homeboy Sandman: You know, they
don't try to create artists,
463
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,260
they try to find artists.
464
00:27:54,468 --> 00:27:55,344
You know what I mean?
465
00:27:55,553 --> 00:27:57,346
They don't...
466
00:27:57,555 --> 00:28:00,183
And nurture artists, you
know what I'm saying?
467
00:28:00,391 --> 00:28:01,893
Not trying to limit
what anybody does
468
00:28:02,101 --> 00:28:05,146
but try to have people
reach they full
potential as an artist,
469
00:28:05,354 --> 00:28:06,105
you know what I'm saying?
470
00:28:06,314 --> 00:28:06,814
Voiceover: We're
going to take 2.
471
00:28:07,023 --> 00:28:09,025
On the count of 3, Black Power.
472
00:28:09,233 --> 00:28:10,193
1, 2, 3.
473
00:28:10,401 --> 00:28:11,194
(clicking)
474
00:28:11,402 --> 00:28:14,197
(upbeat music)
475
00:28:14,405 --> 00:28:15,656
♫ (lyrics) Yo what you
want from me
476
00:28:15,865 --> 00:28:17,408
Who was saying this
nation's indivisible
477
00:28:17,617 --> 00:28:18,367
I don't care what they say
478
00:28:18,576 --> 00:28:19,577
If they paid,
cats is miserable. ♫
479
00:28:19,785 --> 00:28:22,622
Talib: Artists like Homeboy Sandman
who's a New York based artist
480
00:28:22,830 --> 00:28:23,998
who's been around for years
481
00:28:24,207 --> 00:28:26,125
and he's been making
quality hip-hop records
482
00:28:26,334 --> 00:28:27,960
and no one's taking a
chance on marketing it,
483
00:28:28,169 --> 00:28:29,545
promoting it or
getting out there.
484
00:28:29,754 --> 00:28:31,005
I think they were a perfect fit.
485
00:28:31,214 --> 00:28:33,049
♫ (lyrics) Everything we say is
in vain the days are biblical
486
00:28:33,257 --> 00:28:37,053
(upbeat music)
487
00:28:37,261 --> 00:28:39,138
Yo what you want
from me, what you want
488
00:28:39,347 --> 00:28:41,599
Yo what you want
from me, what you want
489
00:28:41,807 --> 00:28:43,601
Yo what you want
from me, what you want
490
00:28:43,809 --> 00:28:45,853
Yo what you want
from me, what you want
491
00:28:46,062 --> 00:28:48,189
Yo what you want
from me, what you want
492
00:28:48,397 --> 00:28:49,315
Yo what you want
from me... ♫
493
00:28:49,523 --> 00:28:51,234
Tyler: I was at McDonald's
and it's the ra--
494
00:28:51,442 --> 00:28:54,070
I don't know whose car it was
in but the radio was on real low
495
00:28:54,278 --> 00:28:55,571
and I just heard...
496
00:28:55,780 --> 00:28:57,365
I heard my ear
just catching stuff
497
00:28:57,573 --> 00:28:59,825
and I heard some
(beep) progression
498
00:29:00,034 --> 00:29:01,702
I've never heard in my life.
499
00:29:01,911 --> 00:29:03,287
I was like, "Turn that (beep),
turn it up, turn it up."
500
00:29:03,496 --> 00:29:04,205
So I was sitting there.
501
00:29:04,413 --> 00:29:05,581
I knew it was about to end
502
00:29:05,790 --> 00:29:09,126
so I tried to catch the last
lyrics of it or whatever.
503
00:29:09,335 --> 00:29:12,088
I went home and I sat
for like 2 hours (beep)
504
00:29:13,422 --> 00:29:15,591
Quoting those (beep)
lyrics trying to find it
505
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,093
and I found this forum
506
00:29:17,301 --> 00:29:20,346
and it some random
(beep) Japanese (beep)
507
00:29:20,554 --> 00:29:23,349
And it said The Stepkids
and it had the song title
508
00:29:23,557 --> 00:29:25,601
and I (beep)
YouTubed it, found it
509
00:29:25,810 --> 00:29:27,311
then found out they
was on Stones Throw.
510
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,562
I was like what the (beep).
511
00:29:28,771 --> 00:29:29,605
Listened to the
album and I was like
512
00:29:29,814 --> 00:29:31,357
oh my gosh, this is crazy.
513
00:29:31,565 --> 00:29:34,193
♫ (Lyrics) He's a
Shakespeare of his day
514
00:29:34,402 --> 00:29:38,864
Like David when he plays
515
00:29:39,073 --> 00:29:42,994
I'm one of a kind
516
00:29:43,202 --> 00:29:46,122
He's Darwin of his age
517
00:29:46,330 --> 00:29:50,376
A prophet and a sage
518
00:29:50,584 --> 00:29:54,422
A legend in my own mind ♫
519
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:57,800
Dan: It's just a reflection
of Wolf's taste when
he started the label.
520
00:29:58,009 --> 00:29:59,719
He was really just
interested in hip-hop.
521
00:30:00,803 --> 00:30:02,680
Like the human mind
normally does,
522
00:30:02,888 --> 00:30:05,391
he wanted to expand and
get into some new stuff.
523
00:30:08,978 --> 00:30:11,188
Wolf: Stones Throw's
like a commune or
something at this point.
524
00:30:11,397 --> 00:30:15,151
We're just oft like
doing our own thing.
525
00:30:16,152 --> 00:30:17,361
Diva: I'm Diva
526
00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:24,702
and I am an intergalactic,
inter-dimensional
immortal pop star,
527
00:30:25,494 --> 00:30:32,209
and I'm here living a
few incarnations on earth
528
00:30:32,418 --> 00:30:36,339
to try to see what I can
contribute to the
human population.
529
00:30:36,547 --> 00:30:43,637
And heal this planet.
530
00:30:43,846 --> 00:30:50,644
(up tempo music)
531
00:30:50,853 --> 00:30:51,896
Tyler: You mentioned Jonti.
532
00:30:52,104 --> 00:30:52,855
He's such a sick dude.
533
00:30:53,064 --> 00:30:53,606
He's awesome.
534
00:30:53,814 --> 00:30:55,024
Hey Jonti.
535
00:30:55,232 --> 00:30:57,651
Earl: The vocals that he has
on this shit is so tight.
536
00:30:57,860 --> 00:30:58,486
I don't know if that...
537
00:30:58,694 --> 00:31:02,073
Does he like sing
that shit or is it...
538
00:31:02,281 --> 00:31:03,491
Wow dude.
539
00:31:07,495 --> 00:31:09,413
But then you got motherfuckers
like Guilty Simpson
540
00:31:09,622 --> 00:31:14,251
who is just like dirty ass,
real scary hip-hop music.
541
00:31:14,460 --> 00:31:16,420
Guilty Simpson: When I went
to Stones Throw about signing,
542
00:31:16,629 --> 00:31:20,049
the main thing he told me that
he didn't want to change me.
543
00:31:20,257 --> 00:31:22,134
He didn't wanna change my music.
544
00:31:22,343 --> 00:31:24,553
I can be as filth flarn' filth
as I wanna be,
545
00:31:24,762 --> 00:31:25,721
you know what I'm saying?
546
00:31:25,930 --> 00:31:27,807
Say what I want, do what I want.
547
00:31:32,103 --> 00:31:33,604
A-Trak: They're all
interesting dudes
548
00:31:33,813 --> 00:31:36,982
but like each one of them injects their
personality in the projects.
549
00:31:37,191 --> 00:31:39,402
After just a handful of
these records that come out
550
00:31:39,610 --> 00:31:40,861
you can look at them
together and be like,
551
00:31:41,070 --> 00:31:43,114
"Oh yeah, this is
from the same stable."
552
00:31:49,036 --> 00:31:50,079
Royal Kush: Right, right.
553
00:31:54,083 --> 00:31:56,794
Yeah and the other thing is that
554
00:31:57,294 --> 00:31:59,338
Stones Throw is kind
of a meeting place
555
00:31:59,547 --> 00:32:02,925
for a lot of different
musical worlds.
556
00:32:04,718 --> 00:32:18,107
(up tempo music)
557
00:32:18,315 --> 00:32:20,568
Wolf: James Pants was an
intern for Stones Throw.
558
00:32:20,776 --> 00:32:22,695
He came to one of my
gigs when he was 15.
559
00:32:22,903 --> 00:32:24,780
(up tempo music)
560
00:32:24,989 --> 00:32:26,407
He went to his senior prom
561
00:32:26,615 --> 00:32:29,410
and then he went to my
gig afterwards and
took his prom date
562
00:32:29,618 --> 00:32:31,287
then he said, "Hey, you
wanna go record shopping?"
563
00:32:31,495 --> 00:32:32,288
I said sure.
564
00:32:32,496 --> 00:32:33,581
You know the way to my heart.
565
00:32:33,789 --> 00:32:35,249
(up tempo music)
566
00:32:35,458 --> 00:32:37,084
And then he eventually
interned for the label
567
00:32:37,293 --> 00:32:38,919
then he started making mixes.
568
00:32:39,128 --> 00:32:42,214
(up tempo music)
569
00:32:42,423 --> 00:32:44,508
I don't even think he really
told me he was making music
570
00:32:44,717 --> 00:32:46,469
but another employee
at Stones Throw said,
571
00:32:46,677 --> 00:32:48,012
"Hey, have you ever
heard James' music?"
572
00:32:48,220 --> 00:32:49,346
I said no.
573
00:32:49,555 --> 00:32:51,765
I heard it and I was like
wow, he's holding out on me.
574
00:32:51,974 --> 00:32:55,019
(up tempo music)
575
00:32:55,227 --> 00:32:57,021
And then I told him that I
wanted to put his stuff out
576
00:32:57,229 --> 00:32:58,814
and he, you know,
he couldn't believe it.
577
00:32:59,023 --> 00:33:04,695
(up tempo music)
578
00:33:06,071 --> 00:33:07,948
James: Good evening,
Los Angeles.
579
00:33:08,157 --> 00:33:12,119
(crowd cheering)
580
00:33:12,328 --> 00:33:14,079
My name is James Pants.
581
00:33:14,288 --> 00:33:18,209
I come from a land very far
away to be here tonight.
582
00:33:18,417 --> 00:33:20,127
I hope you have
an excellent time.
583
00:33:20,336 --> 00:33:22,004
It's a Variety show of sorts
584
00:33:22,213 --> 00:33:26,383
with song, dance,
drumming and screaming.
585
00:33:26,592 --> 00:33:27,092
Have fun.
586
00:33:27,301 --> 00:33:37,811
(music)
587
00:33:38,020 --> 00:33:44,985
♫ (lyrics) The Eyes of The
Lord are Upon You Today
588
00:33:46,695 --> 00:33:53,911
The Eyes of The Lord
are Upon You Today
589
00:33:55,829 --> 00:34:02,670
The Eyes of The Lord
are Upon You Today ♫
590
00:34:03,754 --> 00:34:19,436
(upbeat music)
591
00:34:31,448 --> 00:35:23,167
(upbeat music)
592
00:35:34,386 --> 00:35:36,805
Wolf: When I first heard
Madlib it was the Lootpack
593
00:35:37,014 --> 00:35:38,223
and it was on college radio.
594
00:35:38,432 --> 00:35:40,351
I was working at the record
distributor at the time
595
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:42,102
and I had just
started Stones Throw.
596
00:35:42,311 --> 00:35:44,897
(hip-hop music)
597
00:35:45,105 --> 00:35:46,106
Madlib: I was with Stones
Throw in the beginning
598
00:35:46,315 --> 00:35:48,025
because of the first
records he put out.
599
00:35:48,692 --> 00:35:50,277
We joined with them because we
600
00:35:50,486 --> 00:35:52,196
heard Charizma,
Peanut Butter breaks
601
00:35:52,404 --> 00:35:54,782
and this dude was playing
all this crazy music,
602
00:35:54,990 --> 00:35:56,241
all the hip-hop we like.
603
00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:58,077
I'm like he's playing this shit?
604
00:35:58,285 --> 00:35:59,828
I'm like damn, this dude crazy.
605
00:36:00,454 --> 00:36:01,747
We just connected from there.
606
00:36:05,709 --> 00:36:08,587
Wildchild: That was at the time
when we were shopping deals
607
00:36:08,796 --> 00:36:11,382
and they weren't
really interested
608
00:36:11,590 --> 00:36:12,800
or at the same time
we weren't willing
609
00:36:13,008 --> 00:36:16,053
to change what we wanted
to do for the labels.
610
00:36:16,261 --> 00:36:19,056
And then it luckily got in
the right hands through Wolf.
611
00:36:19,848 --> 00:36:24,561
Wolf: When I heard Madlib's
music, that immediately
became my focus.
612
00:36:27,731 --> 00:36:38,409
(hip-hop music)
613
00:36:38,617 --> 00:36:42,413
Oh No: Oxnard is actually
called the Little Chicago
614
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,209
because Al Capone and them
used to transport drugs
and stuff back and forth
615
00:36:47,418 --> 00:36:49,169
from you know,
Oxnard to Chicago.
616
00:36:49,378 --> 00:36:51,130
A lot of gangs out here.
617
00:36:51,338 --> 00:36:53,549
A lot of gangs, you know the
rappers too, you know?
618
00:36:53,757 --> 00:36:55,217
In the music world in Oxnard,
619
00:36:55,426 --> 00:36:57,010
everybody is really
trying to get along
620
00:36:57,219 --> 00:36:59,096
because there's really no time
for that bullshit, you know?
621
00:36:59,304 --> 00:37:00,973
Everybody's trying to
do this music thing.
622
00:37:01,807 --> 00:37:03,225
Voiceover: This is all live.
623
00:37:03,434 --> 00:37:07,354
As you can plainly hear and
see there's no lip-sync
business going on here.
624
00:37:07,563 --> 00:37:10,607
This is the real jam,
the jam of the jams
625
00:37:10,816 --> 00:37:12,234
and we doing it
something like this.
626
00:37:12,443 --> 00:37:14,862
(rap music)
627
00:37:15,070 --> 00:37:16,905
Talib: First time I
heard of Stones Throw
628
00:37:17,114 --> 00:37:18,741
was when I bought
The Lootpack album.
629
00:37:19,450 --> 00:37:22,453
The first thing I noticed
was how dense that album was.
630
00:37:22,661 --> 00:37:23,245
It was packed.
631
00:37:23,454 --> 00:37:26,623
It was like over 20 songs,
maybe 22, 23 songs
632
00:37:26,832 --> 00:37:28,333
and I just couldn't believe
633
00:37:28,542 --> 00:37:32,296
that they were doing
this level quality music
634
00:37:32,504 --> 00:37:33,922
but so underground.
635
00:37:34,131 --> 00:37:39,970
(hip-hop music)
636
00:37:40,179 --> 00:37:44,224
?uestlove: Stones Throw
came crashing into our world
637
00:37:44,433 --> 00:37:46,602
like just came crashing
like a meteor.
638
00:37:46,810 --> 00:37:50,814
(hip-hop music)
639
00:37:51,023 --> 00:37:52,983
Woman: Could you please
just introduce yourself?
640
00:38:06,497 --> 00:38:11,043
(upbeat music)
641
00:38:11,251 --> 00:38:13,212
♫ (lyrics) If you're not
flipping cuts like DJ Rome
642
00:38:13,420 --> 00:38:15,923
Well then you're not
representing with the LP
643
00:38:16,131 --> 00:38:18,634
Now, if you're not
dropping tracks like Madlib
644
00:38:18,842 --> 00:38:21,303
Then you're not
representing with the LP
645
00:38:21,512 --> 00:38:23,972
Well, if you're not kicking
styles like Wild Child
646
00:38:24,181 --> 00:38:26,725
Then you're not
representing with the LP
647
00:38:26,934 --> 00:38:29,478
But if you're not
supporting hardcore hip-hop
648
00:38:29,686 --> 00:38:32,606
Well, then you're not
a real hip-hop MC
649
00:38:32,815 --> 00:38:35,025
If you're not in tune
to this, total bliss
650
00:38:35,234 --> 00:38:37,694
Nowadays a lot of
rappers I like to diss
651
00:38:37,903 --> 00:38:39,196
Because yo, all up in your songs
652
00:38:39,404 --> 00:38:40,864
you'd be talking
about your glocks. ♫
653
00:38:41,073 --> 00:38:42,324
Wildchild: Wolf has already
taken us on the road.
654
00:38:42,533 --> 00:38:45,369
He was showing us stuff that other
cats I know didn't even get to see
655
00:38:45,577 --> 00:38:47,371
until their 2nd,
maybe 3rd album.
656
00:38:47,579 --> 00:38:48,872
♫ (lyrics) When the camera's
off you'll be acting soft
657
00:38:49,081 --> 00:38:50,290
Because you'll be in
that mental state
658
00:38:50,499 --> 00:38:51,667
Thinking that you're great
659
00:38:51,875 --> 00:38:54,670
But everywhere around the gates
people saying that you're fake
660
00:38:54,878 --> 00:38:57,047
Like dropping out of weight
while you're trying
to have your cake
661
00:38:57,256 --> 00:38:58,257
But with your jams
ain't got no weight
662
00:38:58,465 --> 00:38:59,716
And many niggas won't debate
663
00:38:59,925 --> 00:39:02,261
We keep it hot like Benihana
664
00:39:02,469 --> 00:39:04,763
With no drama while you
bite like a piranha ♫
665
00:39:04,972 --> 00:39:07,349
Steve: It wasn't until
meeting Lootpack
666
00:39:08,016 --> 00:39:11,854
to where Chris finally
was able to move on.
667
00:39:12,062 --> 00:39:16,817
There was a long period
between the passing of Charizma
668
00:39:17,025 --> 00:39:19,236
and the meeting of Lootpack.
669
00:39:19,444 --> 00:39:21,321
And it was after the
success of The Lootpack
670
00:39:21,530 --> 00:39:24,825
that he moved out
to L.A. to do more.
671
00:39:25,033 --> 00:39:28,620
(upbeat music)
672
00:39:28,829 --> 00:39:31,164
He risked everything
to come to L.A.
673
00:39:31,373 --> 00:39:33,333
but it was a move
that he needed to do.
674
00:39:33,542 --> 00:39:36,253
He needed to be with Madlib.
675
00:39:36,461 --> 00:39:40,883
He needed to be there because
Madlib was the next thing.
676
00:39:42,217 --> 00:39:44,720
Voiceover: And now
the competition begins.
677
00:39:45,554 --> 00:39:50,100
J Rocc: The four horsemen
riding through town.
678
00:39:50,309 --> 00:39:54,730
Egon, Jeff Jank,
Wolf and Madlib.
679
00:39:54,938 --> 00:39:55,981
That was the label.
680
00:39:56,189 --> 00:39:57,816
Like it was just out the house.
681
00:39:58,025 --> 00:40:01,361
Like literally, out the house.
682
00:40:01,570 --> 00:40:03,906
A-Trak: Egon was
just this very diligent
683
00:40:04,114 --> 00:40:07,242
and responsible passionate guy
684
00:40:07,451 --> 00:40:09,411
that came in and moved to L.A.
685
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:16,793
And came on board to help
make sure that things
were getting done.
686
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,172
The Gaslamp Killer: Jeff
Jank is also a visionary
687
00:40:20,380 --> 00:40:26,970
and he is more involved in the
decision making at Stones Throw
688
00:40:27,179 --> 00:40:28,847
than anyone cares to realize.
689
00:40:29,056 --> 00:40:32,392
Mayer: He plays an enormous
role in Stones Throw
690
00:40:32,601 --> 00:40:34,645
and he is the grumpiest
motherfucker
691
00:40:34,853 --> 00:40:36,980
that you will ever meet
in your entire life
692
00:40:37,606 --> 00:40:39,691
but I love that dude to death.
693
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:40,984
Wolf: He knew nothing
about computers
694
00:40:41,193 --> 00:40:44,029
but he taught himself
basically everything
695
00:40:44,237 --> 00:40:46,239
as far as like starting
stonesthrow.com
696
00:40:46,448 --> 00:40:48,116
and he's like a big...
697
00:40:48,325 --> 00:40:50,494
He's like the secret weapon
of Stones Throw, you know?
698
00:40:50,702 --> 00:40:53,372
So this is literally
a bomb shelter.
699
00:40:54,706 --> 00:40:57,376
That was made in
the 50's I guess
700
00:40:57,584 --> 00:41:00,295
when the US and USSR
were in this Cold War.
701
00:41:00,504 --> 00:41:03,674
We called this studio
The Bomb Shelter, you
know, because of that.
702
00:41:03,882 --> 00:41:07,219
J ROCC: That's where they
ran everything out of
that damn house.
703
00:41:07,427 --> 00:41:09,554
Egon out of his
room in the front.
704
00:41:09,763 --> 00:41:13,141
Jeff Jank downstairs
doing nothing but artwork.
705
00:41:13,350 --> 00:41:16,186
Madlib right around
the corner smoking
706
00:41:16,395 --> 00:41:20,273
and just playing drums or
beats just cranking out.
707
00:41:20,482 --> 00:41:22,234
I loved going over there.
708
00:41:22,442 --> 00:41:25,028
Oh my goodness,
I used to love going.
709
00:41:25,237 --> 00:41:35,247
(upbeat music)
710
00:41:35,455 --> 00:41:39,292
By then like Stones
Throw you know,
711
00:41:39,501 --> 00:41:42,421
it was like wasn't no
longer Stones Throw.
712
00:41:42,629 --> 00:41:46,675
It was like Stones
Throw like oh shit.
713
00:41:46,883 --> 00:41:49,511
This is the house over here,
it's going down over here.
714
00:41:50,178 --> 00:41:51,763
Madlib: Reality shows
weren't popular back then
715
00:41:51,972 --> 00:41:53,098
but it would have been crazy.
716
00:41:53,306 --> 00:41:55,809
You see a couple dudes
arguing over here
717
00:41:56,018 --> 00:41:58,353
and I'm eating up his frozen
dinners because I'm broke,
718
00:41:58,603 --> 00:41:59,187
you know what I mean?
719
00:41:59,396 --> 00:42:01,106
He's like, "Where
my dinners at?"
720
00:42:01,314 --> 00:42:03,817
Over here I'm playing music
at 5 in the morning and drums
721
00:42:04,026 --> 00:42:05,652
and Jeff Jank comes in yelling.
722
00:42:05,861 --> 00:42:08,447
The next day we're drinking
martinis like nothing happened.
723
00:42:08,989 --> 00:42:10,115
That's how we live. (chuckles)
724
00:42:10,323 --> 00:42:11,116
It was crazy.
725
00:42:11,324 --> 00:42:15,954
(hip-hop music)
726
00:42:16,163 --> 00:42:18,707
♫ (lyrics) Hey yo we headed to a
party to go see what's happening
727
00:42:18,915 --> 00:42:21,293
Smoking the lah in the
car turn on some rappin
728
00:42:21,501 --> 00:42:23,920
Start to freestyle,
we'd be up on our way
729
00:42:24,129 --> 00:42:25,213
Finish up the blunt
730
00:42:25,422 --> 00:42:26,840
Somebody pass me that spray ♫
731
00:42:27,049 --> 00:42:29,384
Wolf: You know, I appreciated
Lootpack for what it was
732
00:42:29,593 --> 00:42:34,931
but on one of the tapes
on the backside of it was
733
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:38,185
this guy with a high voice
rapping over the beats.
734
00:42:38,393 --> 00:42:39,895
♫ (lyrics) Police pulling
us over for no reason
735
00:42:40,103 --> 00:42:41,563
Searching the car like ♫
736
00:42:41,772 --> 00:42:44,316
To me it seemed like the beats
were a little more experimental.
737
00:42:44,524 --> 00:42:47,569
The whole project just seemed
more experimental than Lootpack.
738
00:42:47,778 --> 00:42:48,862
♫ (lyrics) You got warrants
739
00:42:49,071 --> 00:42:50,739
You all niggas ready
for some torment ♫
740
00:42:50,947 --> 00:42:52,657
I asked Madlib about it.
741
00:42:52,866 --> 00:42:53,366
I was like...
742
00:42:53,575 --> 00:42:56,078
I found myself listening to
that over and over, you know,
743
00:42:56,286 --> 00:42:58,622
and I asked Madlib,
"What is this?"
744
00:42:58,830 --> 00:43:00,457
And he was like, "Oh man!
745
00:43:00,665 --> 00:43:01,625
"I forgot that was on there.
746
00:43:01,833 --> 00:43:02,876
"Yeah, you know,
like you weren't
747
00:43:03,085 --> 00:43:03,919
even supposed to hear that."
748
00:43:04,127 --> 00:43:05,462
I'm like, "No,
that's really good."
749
00:43:06,713 --> 00:43:09,591
I wanna put that out too
and he's like, "Really?
750
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,717
"Cool, I'm with it, whatever.
751
00:43:10,926 --> 00:43:11,760
"You know, fuck it."
752
00:43:12,969 --> 00:43:14,721
Talib: Quasimoto sound
is the Madlib sound.
753
00:43:14,930 --> 00:43:16,765
Quasimoto is a piece of Madlib.
754
00:43:16,973 --> 00:43:18,642
It allows Madlib to
say and do things
755
00:43:18,850 --> 00:43:20,310
that maybe he wouldn't
do as an artist.
756
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:22,771
♫ (lyrics) The other day
Mr. Buddha had this plan
757
00:43:22,979 --> 00:43:25,774
Get grands off the man so
our whole crew could expand ♫
758
00:43:26,942 --> 00:43:28,068
We all need that as artists
759
00:43:28,276 --> 00:43:31,822
and Quasimoto is
a genius invention.
760
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:36,326
♫ (lyrics) In my garage thinking large
puttin' together the entourage
761
00:43:36,535 --> 00:43:38,954
My niggas straight hit the
bank and broke the hell out
762
00:43:39,162 --> 00:43:41,748
So much money you couldn't
even get that smell out ♫
763
00:43:41,957 --> 00:43:45,085
Flying Lotus: Hearing
that shit, at the time,
764
00:43:46,962 --> 00:43:48,255
there was nothing like it.
765
00:43:48,463 --> 00:43:51,133
You didn't even need
mushrooms or weed or nothing.
766
00:43:51,341 --> 00:43:52,050
You didn't even need it.
767
00:43:52,259 --> 00:43:54,845
You could just listen to that
shit and just be like what?
768
00:43:55,053 --> 00:43:57,180
That shit'll just trip you
the fuck out, man.
769
00:44:03,061 --> 00:44:06,314
Madlib: Yeah, that's the only
time Quas comes out, yeah.
770
00:44:06,523 --> 00:44:08,608
Yeah, that's the only
time Quas would come out.
771
00:44:11,069 --> 00:44:12,654
Madlib: I mean not for
weeks but like a month or 2,
772
00:44:12,863 --> 00:44:13,655
you know what I mean?
773
00:44:16,032 --> 00:44:19,035
Madlib: I wouldn't advise that
but yeah my man does it.
774
00:44:29,462 --> 00:44:30,755
Madlib: Same, he's
just more loud.
775
00:44:30,964 --> 00:44:32,132
You know what I'm saying?
776
00:44:32,340 --> 00:44:33,967
Same type of vibe if
you get to know me
777
00:44:34,176 --> 00:44:36,636
but he's just loud and
I'm more, you know, calm.
778
00:44:37,512 --> 00:44:39,556
I think I'm loud when
I'm drunk, I don't know.
779
00:44:40,098 --> 00:44:41,224
I have no idea.
780
00:44:41,850 --> 00:44:49,941
(upbeat music)
781
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:52,402
♫ (lyrics) I remember
Ultramagnetic and Stetsasonic
782
00:44:52,611 --> 00:44:54,070
Afrika Bambaataa
and the Soul Sonic
783
00:44:54,279 --> 00:44:56,656
MC Shy D, Public Enemy,
784
00:44:56,865 --> 00:44:58,241
Boogie Down, MC Shan, MC Ren
785
00:44:58,450 --> 00:45:00,785
The Disco 3, Mr. Magic
with the Rap Attack
786
00:45:00,994 --> 00:45:03,038
All day KDAY
Mix Masters, Craig Mack
787
00:45:03,246 --> 00:45:06,833
Steady B, Schoolly D, Heavy
D, Mantronix with MC Tee ♫
788
00:45:07,042 --> 00:45:10,295
Mike D: Madlib had you know,
this reinvention cycle.
789
00:45:10,503 --> 00:45:12,047
Quasimoto was a big departure.
790
00:45:12,255 --> 00:45:15,008
You know, he was not afraid to
then go out and make something.
791
00:45:15,217 --> 00:45:16,635
That's not what people expect.
792
00:45:16,843 --> 00:45:19,971
That is not even what people think
is gonna be a Madlib album.
793
00:45:20,180 --> 00:45:23,266
♫ (lyrics) CCB, take
it back like LONS
794
00:45:23,475 --> 00:45:25,644
Remember Daddy Fresh
or Maestro Fresh Wes
795
00:45:25,852 --> 00:45:28,355
I know rap, my man ♫
796
00:45:28,563 --> 00:45:36,696
(upbeat music)
797
00:45:36,905 --> 00:45:39,658
Madlib: And it sounded
like what it looked like.
798
00:45:39,866 --> 00:45:42,202
I didn't disagree when
they showed me.
799
00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:43,995
I was like, "Yeah,
that's it right there."
800
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,042
A pig face, Alf nigga, like I don't know,
you know what I mean?
801
00:45:49,251 --> 00:45:50,961
That's what he
sounded like. (chuckles)
802
00:45:51,169 --> 00:46:02,597
(upbeat music)
803
00:46:02,806 --> 00:46:05,308
Wolf: And then Madlib started
telling me, "I wanna make jazz."
804
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:07,936
I said, "You wanna make jazz?
805
00:46:08,144 --> 00:46:10,438
"How are you gonna make jazz,
you don't even play instruments?"
806
00:46:10,647 --> 00:46:12,941
"Oh, I don't have to play
instruments, I could sample."
807
00:46:13,149 --> 00:46:14,901
Madlib: At a point I
got tired of hip-hop,
808
00:46:15,110 --> 00:46:16,069
you know what I mean?
809
00:46:16,278 --> 00:46:17,279
Because it gets boring.
810
00:46:17,487 --> 00:46:19,531
Anything is boring after you
do it for a while, you know?
811
00:46:19,739 --> 00:46:22,450
Got into jazz about 2001.
812
00:46:23,785 --> 00:46:26,663
Mike: It's sort of a
reverse manifestation
813
00:46:26,871 --> 00:46:28,832
of people who got into hip-hop
814
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,335
then sort of explored the
music that hip-hop sampled,
815
00:46:32,544 --> 00:46:34,379
and then fell in love with that
816
00:46:34,587 --> 00:46:36,965
and manifested a
new approach to it.
817
00:46:37,173 --> 00:46:40,427
And when you go to create
original music based on that,
818
00:46:40,635 --> 00:46:43,596
your interpretation of it is
something completely original.
819
00:46:43,805 --> 00:46:47,559
Wolf: We were playing the music for
Weldon Irvine, who was like a jazz great
820
00:46:47,767 --> 00:46:49,894
from the 70's that A
Tribe Called Quest sampled.
821
00:46:50,103 --> 00:46:51,563
And we played the music for
Weldon then he was like,
822
00:46:51,771 --> 00:46:54,149
"This guy did not just learn
how to play instruments.
823
00:46:54,357 --> 00:46:56,067
"He's been playing
his whole life, like--"
824
00:46:56,860 --> 00:46:59,863
I said no, I'm telling you,
he just started learning.
825
00:47:00,071 --> 00:47:02,574
He said, "Well, I'm gonna look this
brother in the face and ask him."
826
00:47:03,616 --> 00:47:05,410
Madlib: He's like,
"Show me what you do."
827
00:47:05,618 --> 00:47:09,122
Put in the CD he's
just like (chuckles)
828
00:47:09,331 --> 00:47:10,540
And I was like woohoo!
829
00:47:11,333 --> 00:47:12,500
Wolf: And that's when I realized
830
00:47:12,709 --> 00:47:15,795
that actual musicians are
like giving it up to this guy.
831
00:47:17,047 --> 00:47:20,467
Who was like a producer who just kind
of makes do with whatever he has.
832
00:47:27,265 --> 00:47:30,477
Geoft: I always will
say that the...
833
00:47:31,227 --> 00:47:33,480
I think that Madlib is...
834
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:37,817
You know, I would compare
him really to Frank Zappa.
835
00:47:38,026 --> 00:47:45,700
(drumming)
836
00:47:45,909 --> 00:47:48,703
Hip-hop essentially
was just stale.
837
00:47:49,537 --> 00:47:51,956
Absolutely like the worse bread,
838
00:47:52,165 --> 00:47:53,875
you know, you don't
wanna feed ducks.
839
00:47:54,084 --> 00:47:58,797
And viciously commercial,
you know like Ja Rule.
840
00:47:59,005 --> 00:48:01,508
You know that was kind
of I suppose around
that kind of time.
841
00:48:03,968 --> 00:48:06,262
J Rocc: I don't think Wolf
made it a conscious decision
842
00:48:06,471 --> 00:48:12,602
to make it Madlib, the
producer of Stones Throw.
843
00:48:12,811 --> 00:48:14,771
I mean, he had other stuff
coming out at the same time.
844
00:48:14,979 --> 00:48:18,233
It's just that you can't
compete with somebody
845
00:48:18,441 --> 00:48:24,114
that was making 5 albums
every 2 or 3 weeks or
something, you know?
846
00:48:24,322 --> 00:48:30,703
Madlib: I'm here from 7 to
7 the next day, everyday.
847
00:48:30,912 --> 00:48:33,206
You know what I'm saying?
I sleep like 2 hours, 3 hours.
848
00:48:33,415 --> 00:48:39,587
(upbeat music)
849
00:48:39,796 --> 00:48:41,673
I'm a quiet dude, I hate
people looking at me,
850
00:48:41,881 --> 00:48:43,258
you know what I'm saying?
851
00:48:43,466 --> 00:48:44,551
I don't like too much attention.
852
00:48:44,759 --> 00:48:48,513
Wolf: I don't know
him to be anywhere
but in his studio creating.
853
00:48:48,721 --> 00:48:51,891
He's not concerned about
how popular he's gonna be.
854
00:48:52,100 --> 00:48:54,978
The money and the fame
don't seem to be the main
reason why he creates.
855
00:48:55,186 --> 00:48:56,563
He creates to create
856
00:48:56,771 --> 00:48:58,565
and to just get it
out of his system.
857
00:48:58,773 --> 00:49:00,400
Respect everybody who
listens to my shit, though.
858
00:49:00,608 --> 00:49:01,109
You know what I mean?
859
00:49:01,317 --> 00:49:04,404
Otherwise, I'll still be
bumping it for myself,
860
00:49:04,612 --> 00:49:05,905
you know what I mean?
861
00:49:06,114 --> 00:49:08,158
?uestlove: I got a
call from J Dilla.
862
00:49:08,366 --> 00:49:11,661
He's like, "Madlib is
killing me right now."
863
00:49:12,579 --> 00:49:13,705
I said, "Really?"
864
00:49:14,414 --> 00:49:15,039
He said, "Yeah man.
865
00:49:15,248 --> 00:49:18,585
"Like he's going
where I wanna go."
866
00:49:18,793 --> 00:49:23,673
He does little nuances and
tricks in his music that like--
867
00:49:24,507 --> 00:49:26,259
That I know only I get.
868
00:49:26,468 --> 00:49:28,178
Like even if I were
to play it for you,
869
00:49:28,386 --> 00:49:29,721
it would go over your head.
870
00:49:29,929 --> 00:49:33,850
Madlib is talking to
me and only me.
871
00:49:34,058 --> 00:49:48,031
(upbeat music)
872
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,285
Kanye: The purest and
greatest musicians come
out of that environment.
873
00:49:52,494 --> 00:49:55,163
Also, just a struggle that we
deal with in those environments.
874
00:49:56,122 --> 00:49:57,582
Where you're fighting.
875
00:49:57,790 --> 00:49:59,292
You're fighting
for your freedom,
876
00:49:59,501 --> 00:50:04,255
you're fighting for your
economic equality
with your talent.
877
00:50:04,464 --> 00:50:05,715
That's all you got.
878
00:50:05,924 --> 00:50:07,634
There's no other
chance right there
879
00:50:07,842 --> 00:50:09,844
and you know, that
pressure bust pipes.
880
00:50:10,053 --> 00:50:11,429
You know, you're gonna...
881
00:50:11,638 --> 00:50:12,931
Something great.
882
00:50:13,723 --> 00:50:15,850
A rose is gonna grow
out of that concrete.
883
00:50:16,059 --> 00:50:21,231
(upbeat music)
884
00:50:21,439 --> 00:50:23,942
Dilla was definitely
one of those roses.
885
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:27,445
(upbeat music)
886
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:33,785
Voiceover: And this guy
sitting over there...
887
00:50:34,702 --> 00:50:35,912
Y'all guys good?
888
00:50:43,795 --> 00:50:45,129
DJ House Shoes: I kind of
introduced Madlib to Dilla.
889
00:50:45,338 --> 00:50:48,091
It's funny, I introduced Dilla
to Madlib through the
Lootpack album
890
00:50:48,299 --> 00:50:50,009
and then I introduced
Madlib to Dilla
891
00:50:50,885 --> 00:50:53,096
and Wolf and Madlib
came out for the first time
892
00:50:53,304 --> 00:50:54,973
and we were all in the studio.
893
00:50:55,181 --> 00:50:56,266
Madlib: It's Madlib,
the beat conductor.
894
00:50:56,474 --> 00:50:58,309
House Shoes was there
rolling up the blunts,
895
00:50:58,518 --> 00:50:59,686
you know what I mean?
896
00:50:59,894 --> 00:51:03,022
My man walked in with the
SP and the snow, J Dilla.
897
00:51:03,231 --> 00:51:03,982
J Dilla: I could explain it
898
00:51:04,190 --> 00:51:05,066
Voiceover: Okay, come on man.
899
00:51:05,275 --> 00:51:06,985
J Dilla: I hooked up with
Madlib because I love his work.
900
00:51:07,193 --> 00:51:08,069
Voiceover: How did you do this?
901
00:51:08,278 --> 00:51:10,238
It's like I'mma tell
you, I'mma tell you.
902
00:51:10,446 --> 00:51:11,781
Voiceover: Start from
the beginning, come on.
903
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:14,576
J Dilla: I hooked up with Madlib,
because I love his work.
904
00:51:14,784 --> 00:51:15,618
Bought his records.
905
00:51:15,827 --> 00:51:17,787
When I first heard
Lootpack, I went crazy.
906
00:51:17,996 --> 00:51:19,247
Who was this cat?
907
00:51:19,998 --> 00:51:22,834
I actually got in touch
with Madlib and flew him out.
908
00:51:23,042 --> 00:51:24,752
Let's do an album or something.
Let's do a EP, or
909
00:51:24,961 --> 00:51:27,046
let's just mess the industry up,
910
00:51:27,255 --> 00:51:28,006
you know what I'm saying?
911
00:51:28,214 --> 00:51:30,258
Hook up like that, do it.
And really do it.
912
00:51:31,884 --> 00:51:33,595
Wolf: You know, Madlib
really looked up to Jay Dee
913
00:51:33,803 --> 00:51:35,513
and Jay Dee looked
up to Madlib too.
914
00:51:35,722 --> 00:51:39,267
So it was this real like weird
awkwardness when they met.
915
00:51:39,809 --> 00:51:40,893
They were in the studio.
916
00:51:41,102 --> 00:51:43,187
J Dilla: Yeah.
917
00:51:43,396 --> 00:51:45,815
Wolf: And then House Shoes
is like passing weed around.
918
00:51:47,066 --> 00:51:48,651
DJ House Shoes: Dilla's
never been influenced
919
00:51:48,860 --> 00:51:51,571
by somebody so strongly
as he was by Madlib.
920
00:51:51,779 --> 00:51:53,615
Talib: Then you see Detroit
not just with Oxnard
921
00:51:53,823 --> 00:51:54,824
but with the West Coast.
922
00:51:55,033 --> 00:51:56,534
Dilla did a lot of West
Coast sounding thing.
923
00:51:56,743 --> 00:51:57,660
Something about Detroit
924
00:51:57,869 --> 00:52:01,122
and West Coast sounds
did well in the Midwest
925
00:52:01,331 --> 00:52:02,999
but in Detroit in particular.
926
00:52:03,207 --> 00:52:05,835
Mayer: There are no labels
like Stones Throw in Detroit.
927
00:52:06,002 --> 00:52:09,964
There's no entertainment
business there.
928
00:52:10,173 --> 00:52:12,425
We all had to look elsewhere
929
00:52:13,468 --> 00:52:16,095
to find somebody to
actually put our music out.
930
00:52:16,304 --> 00:52:18,973
Thankfully there is a guy
like Peanut Butter Wolf.
931
00:52:19,182 --> 00:52:23,686
(upbeat music)
932
00:52:23,895 --> 00:52:27,065
Common: That Jaylib project just
turned out to be something, like...
933
00:52:27,273 --> 00:52:29,233
It's a hip-hop monument.
934
00:52:29,442 --> 00:52:38,534
(hip-hop music)
935
00:52:38,743 --> 00:52:40,328
♫ (lyrics) It's Frank
Nitty in the place to be
936
00:52:40,536 --> 00:52:42,997
With Jay Dee to the
ILLA and the LIB
937
00:52:43,206 --> 00:52:45,166
So let me see you
touch the sky ♫
938
00:52:45,375 --> 00:52:46,751
The Gaslamp Killer: Madlib
and Dilla got together
939
00:52:46,959 --> 00:52:49,128
and started challenging
each other super hard,
940
00:52:49,337 --> 00:52:50,588
and Dilla moved to L.A.
941
00:52:50,797 --> 00:52:51,798
♫ (lyrics) In this bitch,
we raise the stakes
942
00:52:52,006 --> 00:52:54,717
Up a little bit and
shut shit down
943
00:52:54,926 --> 00:52:56,719
Tone to the toe to the
chrome to the zone
944
00:52:56,928 --> 00:52:58,888
You need to put your hands
up is what you need to do
945
00:52:59,097 --> 00:53:01,140
Plus niggas got
game like the PS2
946
00:53:01,349 --> 00:53:02,850
It's Dankery off and... ♫
947
00:53:03,059 --> 00:53:04,560
Kanye: Dilla maybe
perhaps might have been
948
00:53:04,769 --> 00:53:07,063
a bit more of a
scientist perfectionist
949
00:53:07,271 --> 00:53:10,566
and Madlib might have just
been a bit more crazy.
950
00:53:10,775 --> 00:53:11,693
♫ (lyrics) We are in
this motherfucker
951
00:53:11,901 --> 00:53:14,404
We are in this motherfucker ♫
952
00:53:14,987 --> 00:53:16,781
Common: As soon as he got
out here he loved L.A.
953
00:53:16,989 --> 00:53:17,824
He loved it.
954
00:53:18,032 --> 00:53:20,702
It was like I think a
breath of fresh air for him
955
00:53:20,910 --> 00:53:22,203
because you know,
no matter what,
956
00:53:22,412 --> 00:53:23,871
when you're at the crib,
957
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,498
when you're in your hometown,
958
00:53:25,707 --> 00:53:29,085
everybody you know
is around usually
959
00:53:29,293 --> 00:53:29,961
and that could be...
960
00:53:30,169 --> 00:53:31,295
Obviously that's the foundation
961
00:53:31,504 --> 00:53:35,299
but at certain times if
you're the centerpiece
962
00:53:35,508 --> 00:53:37,343
then a lot of it is just--
963
00:53:37,552 --> 00:53:38,886
Everything is depending on you.
964
00:53:39,095 --> 00:53:39,762
It's easy.
965
00:53:39,971 --> 00:53:41,305
It's better to get
away sometimes
966
00:53:41,514 --> 00:53:43,266
just to kind of reboot yourself.
967
00:53:43,474 --> 00:53:45,643
(upbeat music)
968
00:53:45,852 --> 00:53:47,687
Voiceover: Ladies and
gentlemen, direct from...
969
00:53:47,895 --> 00:53:49,605
at the lost gates of sunny Southern California.
970
00:53:49,814 --> 00:53:51,149
The Gaslamp Killer:
It wasn't like damn,
971
00:53:51,357 --> 00:53:53,025
these Detroit guys did it again.
972
00:53:53,234 --> 00:53:55,278
It was like this is now,
973
00:53:55,945 --> 00:53:57,613
this is us.
974
00:54:02,535 --> 00:54:04,370
Now he's moved
here for a reason.
975
00:54:04,579 --> 00:54:07,665
It's because he believes in
the energy of California.
976
00:54:07,874 --> 00:54:09,751
He wants to be in the
sunshine and the warmth
977
00:54:09,959 --> 00:54:11,252
with all the positivity
and all these people
978
00:54:11,461 --> 00:54:14,005
that are really like
loving what he's doing
979
00:54:14,213 --> 00:54:16,883
and loving what each
other are doing
980
00:54:17,091 --> 00:54:18,801
and really sharing and...
981
00:54:21,012 --> 00:54:22,555
It wasn't so dog eat dog.
982
00:54:22,764 --> 00:54:25,349
We weren't like Silver
Lake, Echo Park, Eagle Rock,
983
00:54:25,558 --> 00:54:27,935
Hollywood, Venice
Beach, Santa Monica.
984
00:54:28,144 --> 00:54:29,645
No, we're like L.A.
985
00:54:29,854 --> 00:54:30,730
This is L.A. hip-hop, we all--
986
00:54:30,938 --> 00:54:33,065
You know, Compton, Watts.
987
00:54:33,274 --> 00:54:38,696
We were all just in it.
988
00:54:38,905 --> 00:54:40,114
Common: Anyway, he came out here
989
00:54:40,323 --> 00:54:42,492
and I definitely felt
his energy being up.
990
00:54:42,867 --> 00:54:44,952
We would go get records
and give him records.
991
00:54:45,411 --> 00:54:46,579
He'll just be at the crib.
992
00:54:46,788 --> 00:54:50,458
We ended up moving to a
place near Hancock Park,
993
00:54:50,666 --> 00:54:53,085
an apartment that I
stayed in for a long time.
994
00:54:53,294 --> 00:54:56,214
And man, I would get
up in the mornings and
995
00:54:56,422 --> 00:54:59,842
man, go to the kitchen. There he
in the dining room making beats.
996
00:55:00,051 --> 00:55:01,385
I was like...
997
00:55:01,594 --> 00:55:04,597
I mean, there's nothing
better I could dream of.
998
00:55:04,806 --> 00:55:06,641
Kanye: I met J Dilla
at Common's crib
999
00:55:07,892 --> 00:55:09,727
just down the
street here in L.A.
1000
00:55:09,936 --> 00:55:11,103
They were staying together
1001
00:55:11,854 --> 00:55:14,357
and I just remembered
looking at that MPC
1002
00:55:15,316 --> 00:55:19,237
and thinking like those drums
that came out of that MPC.
1003
00:55:20,196 --> 00:55:23,574
You know, arguably the best
drums in hip-hop history
1004
00:55:23,783 --> 00:55:28,871
and just remember
just vibing with him
1005
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:30,957
and having so much respect
1006
00:55:31,916 --> 00:55:33,835
and just wanted to
work with him more.
1007
00:55:34,418 --> 00:55:40,466
Dilla, every time it's like that kick
just sat so perfectly and like the--
1008
00:55:41,092 --> 00:55:43,761
His swings, his
shuffles on his beats,
1009
00:55:43,970 --> 00:55:49,100
his snare choices, the way he
sample shit, it was just like...
1010
00:55:49,308 --> 00:55:54,105
It just sounded like,
it felt like drugs.
1011
00:55:54,313 --> 00:55:56,566
I mean, his music just
sounded like good pussy.
1012
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:02,363
♫ (lyrics) Get up in it, what
1013
00:56:02,572 --> 00:56:03,656
Start her up, what
1014
00:56:03,865 --> 00:56:05,992
Get her washed dog,
prime her armor up, what
1015
00:56:06,492 --> 00:56:08,744
Big wheels, Cadillac grill, what
1016
00:56:08,953 --> 00:56:10,413
What, what ♫
1017
00:56:10,621 --> 00:56:12,331
Station DJ: Talking about tryin
to put Jaylib into circ--
1018
00:56:12,540 --> 00:56:13,416
And let's do this drop right here
1019
00:56:13,708 --> 00:56:15,251
104.9 London's XFM.
1020
00:56:15,459 --> 00:56:16,544
Voiceover: All city people.
1021
00:56:16,794 --> 00:56:19,005
J Dilla: Turn it up live and direct.
1022
00:56:19,547 --> 00:56:20,882
Brand new.
1023
00:56:21,090 --> 00:56:22,842
(laughs)
1024
00:56:23,050 --> 00:56:25,928
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
1025
00:56:26,137 --> 00:56:29,390
Turn up another
notch, another notch.
1026
00:56:31,809 --> 00:56:36,480
♫ (lyrics) Yeah, holla, get it, popping
off from the bottle to the collar
1027
00:56:37,189 --> 00:56:38,357
Clap your hands y'all
1028
00:56:38,566 --> 00:56:41,110
Get live when you
party with your man, y'all
1029
00:56:42,194 --> 00:56:43,446
It's the official
1030
00:56:44,113 --> 00:56:46,407
Hands in the air, let
me see the wrist glow
1031
00:56:46,616 --> 00:56:48,659
Turn me up another
notch in the system
1032
00:56:48,868 --> 00:56:51,329
You say you want
the hot sh-- then listen
1033
00:56:51,537 --> 00:56:56,167
Madlib and Jay Dee Z doing
it like we're doing it for
1034
00:56:56,375 --> 00:56:58,210
And you don't want
to change your dial
1035
00:56:58,419 --> 00:57:00,671
World premier
rearrange, your style ♫
1036
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:01,505
What?
1037
00:57:01,714 --> 00:57:04,592
Common: You know, it was
a real like quality time
1038
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,636
of making music for them too.
1039
00:57:06,844 --> 00:57:12,016
I've definitely seen a lot
of quiet power within them.
1040
00:57:12,224 --> 00:57:14,352
It was able to connect
and do something great.
1041
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,979
Wolf: We've been working
with J Dilla for a while
1042
00:57:17,188 --> 00:57:18,522
and you know, I asked Madlib,
1043
00:57:18,731 --> 00:57:22,109
"Who else do you see yourself
working with outside of
our immediate crew?"
1044
00:57:22,318 --> 00:57:24,403
And he said MF Doom.
1045
00:57:34,288 --> 00:57:36,707
MF Doom: Yeah, the whole
mask thing, really...
1046
00:57:37,416 --> 00:57:39,627
All right, there's a
time in hip-hop where
1047
00:57:39,835 --> 00:57:41,921
things from my point of
view started going more
1048
00:57:42,129 --> 00:57:45,800
to what things looked like opposed
to what things sound like.
1049
00:57:46,008 --> 00:57:51,764
(hip-hop music)
1050
00:57:51,973 --> 00:57:53,307
Talib: The Madvillain album,
1051
00:57:53,516 --> 00:57:58,187
that's just almost as close to perfect as
you're gonna get for a hip-hop album.
1052
00:57:58,396 --> 00:58:00,022
You got Madlib at
the top of his game,
1053
00:58:00,231 --> 00:58:01,649
you got Doom at
the top of his game.
1054
00:58:01,857 --> 00:58:08,698
(hip-hop music)
1055
00:58:08,906 --> 00:58:11,659
That's like one of the purest
hip-hop albums you're gonna hear
1056
00:58:11,867 --> 00:58:16,789
because Doom focused so
heavily on the rhyme scheme,
1057
00:58:16,998 --> 00:58:18,582
and on what he's doing
with the rhymes.
1058
00:58:18,791 --> 00:58:21,419
Madlib focused so heavily what
he was doing with the samples.
1059
00:58:21,627 --> 00:58:22,586
It was like--
1060
00:58:22,795 --> 00:58:25,339
It's just like this super pure,
1061
00:58:25,548 --> 00:58:28,801
unfiltered raw focus on
that Madvillain album
1062
00:58:29,010 --> 00:58:30,761
that is just untouchable.
1063
00:58:30,970 --> 00:58:31,929
MF Doom: He's always
at the bomb shelter
1064
00:58:32,138 --> 00:58:33,264
and I'm always up on
the deck writing, right?
1065
00:58:33,472 --> 00:58:35,349
And then he would
give me another CD,
1066
00:58:35,558 --> 00:58:37,893
I get the CD and I'm writing,
you know what I'm saying?
1067
00:58:38,102 --> 00:58:39,103
And then he's back
in the bomb shelter.
1068
00:58:39,311 --> 00:58:40,938
I would hardly speak to him.
1069
00:58:41,147 --> 00:58:42,898
Wolf: We knew that we had
to put him up in a hotel
1070
00:58:43,107 --> 00:58:44,567
and stuff while he was out here.
1071
00:58:44,775 --> 00:58:46,902
He always ended up just
staying over at our house.
1072
00:58:47,111 --> 00:58:49,321
MF Doom: Yeah, I got a mini
mansion up on the hill.
1073
00:58:49,530 --> 00:58:51,949
It was a pretty big crib though.
1074
00:58:52,158 --> 00:58:54,952
Lot of space in there, you
know, overlooking the hills.
1075
00:58:55,453 --> 00:58:58,122
It was a good place to work
at, you know what I'm saying?
1076
00:58:58,330 --> 00:58:59,373
Real quiet up there.
1077
00:58:59,582 --> 00:59:02,418
♫ (lyrics) They say he accosted
the man with the sliced wig
1078
00:59:02,626 --> 00:59:05,129
Allegedly; the investigation
is still ongoing
1079
00:59:05,337 --> 00:59:08,174
In this pesky mission he
gots the best con flowing ♫
1080
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,553
Egon: I'm really curious because
you know, you've been hanging out
1081
00:59:12,762 --> 00:59:14,638
with one of the guys that
we all consider, you know,
1082
00:59:14,847 --> 00:59:16,223
one of the best
producers in the game.
1083
00:59:16,432 --> 00:59:19,393
In the game from independent
to commercial, whatever.
1084
00:59:19,602 --> 00:59:23,022
Has he influenced your way of
thinking about beats at all?
1085
00:59:23,230 --> 00:59:26,609
MF Doom: Oh yeah, "O" just got me
back into, the whole fun part of it,
1086
00:59:26,817 --> 00:59:27,693
you know what I mean?
1087
00:59:27,902 --> 00:59:30,029
Like until then I didn't
really have a partner
1088
00:59:30,237 --> 00:59:32,114
now I feel like I found my
partner, you know what I mean?
1089
00:59:35,451 --> 00:59:37,078
Prince Paul: Nobody
knows anybody 100%
1090
00:59:37,286 --> 00:59:39,038
and Doom's pretty eclectic,
you know what I'm saying?
1091
00:59:40,915 --> 00:59:44,585
A lot of us musicians are kind of
in our world and our own thing.
1092
00:59:44,794 --> 00:59:46,170
We get to--
1093
00:59:47,046 --> 00:59:50,049
We only expose what we
want people to really know.
1094
00:59:50,257 --> 00:59:54,011
I'm sure there's layers to Doom
that nobody's really gotten to.
1095
00:59:54,220 --> 00:59:56,931
I'm sure there's parts of himself
that he doesn't even understand.
1096
00:59:57,139 --> 01:00:02,853
Wolf: You know, I knew that he had
lost his brother and music collaborator
1097
01:00:03,062 --> 01:00:05,022
just like how I had lost
Charizma and I never--
1098
01:00:05,231 --> 01:00:06,899
I went probably
like a year or so
1099
01:00:07,108 --> 01:00:09,193
without even
mentioning it to him.
1100
01:00:09,401 --> 01:00:15,866
(upbeat music)
1101
01:00:16,075 --> 01:00:18,410
Then this subject kind of
finally came up, you know?
1102
01:00:18,619 --> 01:00:20,121
He really opened up to me
1103
01:00:20,329 --> 01:00:22,081
and it made me feel
a lot closer to him.
1104
01:00:22,289 --> 01:00:27,002
(upbeat music)
1105
01:00:27,211 --> 01:00:30,506
MF Doom: Anybody here
could wear the mask
and be a Villain.
1106
01:00:30,714 --> 01:00:32,758
Male, female, any
race, so called race,
1107
01:00:32,967 --> 01:00:34,135
you know what I mean?
1108
01:00:34,343 --> 01:00:36,554
It's about where you're coming
from in your heart,
1109
01:00:36,762 --> 01:00:37,680
you know what I'm saying?
1110
01:00:37,888 --> 01:00:39,598
What is the message?
What you got to say?
1111
01:00:44,186 --> 01:00:46,564
♫ (lyrics) Wreak havoc,
beep beep it's mad traffic
1112
01:00:46,772 --> 01:00:49,233
Sleek and lavish people
speaking leaking to the maverick
1113
01:00:49,441 --> 01:00:51,902
He see it as just another
felony drug arrest
1114
01:00:52,111 --> 01:00:54,697
Any day could be the one he
pick the wrong thug to test
1115
01:00:54,905 --> 01:00:56,740
Slug through the vest,
shot in the street
1116
01:00:56,949 --> 01:00:59,451
For pulling heat on a father
whose baby's gotta eat
1117
01:00:59,660 --> 01:01:02,079
And when they get hungry,
it ain't shit funny
1118
01:01:02,288 --> 01:01:04,373
Paid to interfere with how
a brother get his money
1119
01:01:04,582 --> 01:01:06,959
Now, who's the real thugs,
killers and gangsters
1120
01:01:07,168 --> 01:01:09,879
Set the revolution, let the
things bust and thank us
1121
01:01:10,087 --> 01:01:12,423
When the smoke clear,
you can see the sky again
1122
01:01:12,631 --> 01:01:16,468
There will be the chopped off
heads of leviathan, my friend ♫
1123
01:01:17,136 --> 01:01:19,847
Madlib: I knew his style, he knew my
style and we meshed them together.
1124
01:01:20,055 --> 01:01:21,265
We didn't talk about it.
1125
01:01:21,473 --> 01:01:22,558
It just happened.
1126
01:01:23,225 --> 01:01:27,563
I go and make my beat CDs and he'd be
up in Wolf's room sleeping or something.
1127
01:01:27,771 --> 01:01:29,523
Wake up and do a song.
1128
01:01:29,732 --> 01:01:31,901
I wake up and he
have songs done.
1129
01:01:32,109 --> 01:01:35,946
Only thing we did together
was a lot of chocolate shrooms.
1130
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:39,742
Egon: Ladies and gentlemen, boys
and girls, Egon, Stones Throw,
1131
01:01:39,950 --> 01:01:41,452
all the way from
Los Angeles, California.
1132
01:01:41,660 --> 01:01:44,330
I'm here with the Madvillain
tour, record release parties
1133
01:01:44,538 --> 01:01:48,876
featuring superstars
like Madlib, Peanut Butter
Wolf, J Rocc,
1134
01:01:49,043 --> 01:01:53,339
special guest J Dilla and
of course, the metal face
man, MF Doom himself
1135
01:01:53,547 --> 01:01:55,299
and we're about to go
check in with the fellas.
1136
01:01:55,507 --> 01:02:02,431
(hip-hop music)
1137
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,266
?uestlove: By this point,
1138
01:02:04,475 --> 01:02:09,521
Dilla is like our
Dalai Lama, all of it.
1139
01:02:09,730 --> 01:02:12,316
He is our spiritual leader.
1140
01:02:12,524 --> 01:02:18,614
(hip-hop music)
1141
01:02:18,822 --> 01:02:21,367
What Donuts represented was like
1142
01:02:21,575 --> 01:02:23,619
you know, the return
to old soul loops
1143
01:02:23,827 --> 01:02:26,455
and the old Motown
breaks and that stuff.
1144
01:02:26,664 --> 01:02:27,623
I mean, that's
where hip-hop was.
1145
01:02:27,831 --> 01:02:29,792
It was like the
post-blueprint era.
1146
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,671
You know, Jay-Z had
rhymed over a lot of these--
1147
01:02:34,797 --> 01:02:36,257
Well, they were calling
them like Chipmunk breaks
1148
01:02:36,465 --> 01:02:39,051
because Kanye would put
them on 45 or whatever.
1149
01:02:39,260 --> 01:02:44,306
But it was basically like cats
rhyming over these
old soul ballads on 45.
1150
01:02:44,515 --> 01:02:46,809
And I was like, this is almost
like your answer to that.
1151
01:02:47,351 --> 01:02:50,354
Okay, you know a lot
of you cats are bringing
back the soul records
1152
01:02:50,562 --> 01:02:56,944
but you know, I'm gonna show you
just one more time how to do it.
1153
01:02:57,152 --> 01:02:58,320
And I was like, "Yo man,
1154
01:02:58,529 --> 01:03:00,155
it's almost like you were
sending a message out there
1155
01:03:00,364 --> 01:03:02,032
to all the beat makers
using soul records
1156
01:03:02,241 --> 01:03:06,578
that you know, like I'mma
show you how to do this, right?"
1157
01:03:06,787 --> 01:03:07,746
He was just like, pshhh...
1158
01:03:08,247 --> 01:03:10,291
He would never
take credit for it.
1159
01:03:10,499 --> 01:03:13,419
Common: His mother told us
stories about how when
he was a little kid
1160
01:03:13,627 --> 01:03:18,674
he used to just walk to the park
with the 45s on his, um, wrists.
1161
01:03:18,882 --> 01:03:20,884
He would carry
45s like bracelets,
1162
01:03:21,093 --> 01:03:22,553
45 records on his wrists.
1163
01:03:22,761 --> 01:03:25,264
He wanted to go to park
with them on his wrist.
1164
01:03:25,472 --> 01:03:29,768
That's what would make him happy
so he was born into this music.
1165
01:03:32,938 --> 01:03:36,817
♫ (lyrics) Okay, okay,
there comes a time ♫
1166
01:03:37,026 --> 01:03:44,825
(hip-hop music)
1167
01:03:57,796 --> 01:04:02,051
Jay Dee had gotten sick and it
happened when he was overseas.
1168
01:04:02,259 --> 01:04:06,847
He felt something going
on and when he got
back here, you know,
1169
01:04:08,057 --> 01:04:09,641
he'd been diagnosed
with something,
1170
01:04:09,850 --> 01:04:12,353
with like a blood, a
rare blood disease.
1171
01:04:12,561 --> 01:04:15,230
DJ House Shoes: It kind of
became public that he was sick
1172
01:04:15,439 --> 01:04:17,358
and he was in the
hospital not doing good.
1173
01:04:17,566 --> 01:04:23,614
Flying Lotus: I just remember
seeing him looking that way
1174
01:04:25,074 --> 01:04:29,828
just like he was
already on borrowed time.
1175
01:04:32,331 --> 01:04:33,123
And I just...
1176
01:04:33,332 --> 01:04:35,501
I couldn't even look him
in the eye, you know?
1177
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:40,005
Because I had a feeling that
he wouldn't want anyone
to see him like that.
1178
01:04:41,048 --> 01:04:47,930
Wolf: He always bounced back
and when I saw him in
the hospital you know,
1179
01:04:48,722 --> 01:04:50,557
and I remember I
went like one time,
1180
01:04:50,766 --> 01:04:51,934
I picked him up
from the hospital.
1181
01:04:52,142 --> 01:04:54,937
He called me to like
take him back home.
1182
01:04:55,145 --> 01:04:56,939
You know, that was
like a huge celebration
1183
01:04:57,147 --> 01:04:58,273
in the wheelchair
and everything.
1184
01:04:58,482 --> 01:05:04,738
Put in the wheelchair in
my car and he usually
always bounced back.
1185
01:05:06,532 --> 01:05:08,534
?uestlove: I'll say I was
in denial at that point
1186
01:05:09,451 --> 01:05:11,829
but then James
started filling up
1187
01:05:12,037 --> 01:05:13,705
and he instantly walked outside
1188
01:05:15,499 --> 01:05:18,127
and I was like
oh God, this is...
1189
01:05:19,878 --> 01:05:21,213
This is goodbye.
1190
01:05:21,422 --> 01:05:36,645
(crowd cheering)
1191
01:05:36,854 --> 01:05:38,147
(crowd chanting)
1192
01:05:38,355 --> 01:05:40,691
MC: Yeah, say
it, say it, say it.
1193
01:05:40,899 --> 01:05:42,943
Come on, come on,
come on, come on.
1194
01:05:43,152 --> 01:05:47,489
(crowd chanting)
1195
01:05:47,698 --> 01:06:01,044
(crowd cheering)
1196
01:06:01,253 --> 01:06:07,384
J Dilla: Yo, it's a blessing
to be out here right now
bringing you this celebration.
1197
01:06:07,593 --> 01:06:08,343
M.C.: It's what it is, yo.
1198
01:06:08,552 --> 01:06:10,262
J Dilla: From the D
I'm like fuck it.
1199
01:06:10,471 --> 01:06:13,140
(crowd cheering)
1200
01:06:13,348 --> 01:06:15,601
Make some noise if you're
feeling me out there.
1201
01:06:15,809 --> 01:06:22,858
(crowd cheering)
1202
01:06:23,066 --> 01:06:46,757
(hip-hop music)
1203
01:06:46,965 --> 01:06:49,092
Madlib: When Dilla passed
everything changed.
1204
01:06:49,301 --> 01:06:50,260
He was like a Coltrane.
1205
01:06:50,469 --> 01:06:52,137
When Coltrane was there,
1206
01:06:52,346 --> 01:06:54,389
everybody tried to
follow what he did
1207
01:06:54,598 --> 01:06:56,808
and when he died, motherfuckers
didn't know what to do.
1208
01:06:57,017 --> 01:07:05,359
(hip-hop music)
1209
01:07:05,567 --> 01:07:08,237
♫ (lyrics) All I give to you ♫
1210
01:07:08,445 --> 01:07:11,114
(hip-hop music)
1211
01:07:11,323 --> 01:07:13,492
MC: Make some noise for J Dilla.
1212
01:07:13,700 --> 01:07:18,205
(crowd cheering)
1213
01:07:18,413 --> 01:07:19,665
♫ (lyrics) I give to you ♫
1214
01:07:19,873 --> 01:07:46,525
(hip-hop music)
1215
01:07:48,735 --> 01:07:53,657
Common: We felt like we had
lost one of the greatest.
1216
01:07:53,865 --> 01:07:56,285
The people that I've
seen at the funeral
1217
01:07:56,493 --> 01:08:00,163
you could just tell that he
had touched a lot of people.
1218
01:08:00,372 --> 01:08:02,249
DJ House Shoes: The music
stopped when Jay left.
1219
01:08:02,457 --> 01:08:04,334
That's the most accurate
statement I could make is
1220
01:08:04,543 --> 01:08:06,753
when Jay left the
music fucking stopped
1221
01:08:06,962 --> 01:08:08,589
and it was like a
moment of silence.
1222
01:08:08,797 --> 01:08:10,507
A very long moment of silence.
1223
01:08:12,009 --> 01:08:17,180
Wolf: Dilla passed away,
Doom was no longer recording
1224
01:08:17,389 --> 01:08:19,308
and Madlib didn't
wanna rap anymore.
1225
01:08:19,516 --> 01:08:25,522
It was really kind of the
Wild West for Stones
Throw at that point.
1226
01:08:25,731 --> 01:08:26,607
Like anything goes.
1227
01:08:37,534 --> 01:08:39,244
Gary Wilson: I can hear it now.
1228
01:08:43,290 --> 01:08:44,249
Speak to me.
1229
01:08:48,962 --> 01:08:50,380
I love Gary.
1230
01:08:52,341 --> 01:08:53,508
Speak to me.
1231
01:08:55,135 --> 01:08:56,261
I love Gary.
1232
01:08:57,846 --> 01:08:59,222
Speak to me please.
1233
01:09:01,016 --> 01:09:04,519
I love Gary, I love Gary.
1234
01:09:11,860 --> 01:09:36,093
(music)
1235
01:09:36,301 --> 01:09:39,930
♫ (lyrics) Linda wants to be
alone, Linda wants to eat alone
1236
01:09:40,138 --> 01:09:43,975
Linda wants to sleep
alone, all into the night
1237
01:09:44,184 --> 01:09:47,938
Linda wants to be alone,
Linda wants to eat alone
1238
01:09:48,146 --> 01:09:52,067
Linda wants to sleep
alone, all into the night
1239
01:09:52,275 --> 01:09:54,152
Linda wants to be alone ♫
1240
01:09:54,361 --> 01:09:56,655
DJ House Shoes: Up to that point
it was a fucking hip-hop label
1241
01:09:56,863 --> 01:09:58,073
and it seems like after
that point, you know,
1242
01:09:58,281 --> 01:10:00,367
Stones Throw is really not
a hip-hop label anymore.
1243
01:10:00,575 --> 01:10:03,704
And I think Jay's passing
kinda led him to set
foot on that path.
1244
01:10:03,912 --> 01:10:04,955
Geoff: The Gary Wilson start.
1245
01:10:07,124 --> 01:10:09,835
I was enthralled
by that whole thing.
1246
01:10:10,502 --> 01:10:12,546
♫ (lyrics) Linda she's
so out of reach
1247
01:10:12,754 --> 01:10:16,591
The girls are swimming at
the beach all into the night
1248
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:21,096
Linda wants to be alone,
Linda wants to eat alone
1249
01:10:21,304 --> 01:10:24,516
Linda wants to sleep
alone, all into the night ♫
1250
01:10:24,725 --> 01:10:28,311
J.Rocc: The records up until
Gary Wilson was just all heat.
1251
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,565
Gary Wilson isn't bad,
it's just not hip-hop.
1252
01:10:33,150 --> 01:10:35,235
♫ (lyrics) Doctor told
me what to do
1253
01:10:35,444 --> 01:10:37,362
I got to get away from you ♫
1254
01:10:38,989 --> 01:10:40,657
What the hell is this
like, you know?
1255
01:10:40,866 --> 01:10:42,492
And it's what Wolf liked.
1256
01:10:43,452 --> 01:10:45,203
Wolf: Gary was a hero to me
1257
01:10:45,412 --> 01:10:48,081
because he was such an underdog.
1258
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,626
The Gaslamp Killer: And for
all of us freaking diehard
1259
01:10:51,835 --> 01:10:54,963
hip-hop, B-boy type people,
1260
01:10:56,923 --> 01:10:58,884
we were just a little confused.
1261
01:10:59,801 --> 01:11:01,094
A-Trak: No, I don't think so.
1262
01:11:01,303 --> 01:11:04,222
I mean never really saw it as a
sort of sudden change like that.
1263
01:11:06,975 --> 01:11:09,728
Even during the first
10 years of Stones Throw
1264
01:11:10,729 --> 01:11:13,815
releases like Yesterday's New
Quintet definitely broke the mold
1265
01:11:14,024 --> 01:11:17,778
of what a hip-hop label
traditionally would release.
1266
01:11:17,986 --> 01:11:21,072
I don't think, you know, the
releases post Donuts
1267
01:11:21,281 --> 01:11:23,408
were that much of a
surprise or departure.
1268
01:11:26,703 --> 01:11:27,913
Voiceover: Next,
we'll have DJ Steve.
1269
01:11:28,121 --> 01:11:30,332
The moment you've been waiting
for at the number 1 song
1270
01:11:30,540 --> 01:11:32,667
we'll have it right
after these messages.
1271
01:11:32,876 --> 01:11:38,215
Just think these two albums
could be yours for only 10.99.
1272
01:11:38,423 --> 01:11:39,341
Could you believe that?
1273
01:11:39,549 --> 01:11:41,927
Only 10.99.
1274
01:11:42,135 --> 01:11:43,970
(upbeat music)
1275
01:11:44,179 --> 01:11:47,599
Wolf: Baron Zen, my buddy
Steve from my childhood.
1276
01:11:47,808 --> 01:11:50,310
I put out his record
that was done on a 4-track.
1277
01:11:50,519 --> 01:11:51,728
You know, just
some lo-fi bedroom
1278
01:11:51,937 --> 01:11:53,605
like Daniel Johnston
type of stuff.
1279
01:11:54,272 --> 01:11:55,982
Steve: One day Chris
just called me and said,
1280
01:11:56,191 --> 01:11:59,361
"Hey, let's put out the Baron
Zen. Let's put it out."
1281
01:11:59,569 --> 01:12:01,488
So we went through
it and he put it out.
1282
01:12:01,696 --> 01:12:02,864
(upbeat music)
1283
01:12:03,323 --> 01:12:04,991
Wolf: That did really poorly.
1284
01:12:05,951 --> 01:12:10,121
♫ (lyrics) I got to get, got to
get, got to get rid of Rick ♫
1285
01:12:13,583 --> 01:12:15,085
Steve: I was a teacher.
1286
01:12:15,293 --> 01:12:17,003
I still am a teacher. (chuckles)
1287
01:12:17,212 --> 01:12:19,214
Yeah, so I teach
middle school English.
1288
01:12:19,422 --> 01:12:26,096
(upbeat music)
1289
01:12:26,304 --> 01:12:29,099
A-Trak: A lot of record labels
sign artists or projects
1290
01:12:29,307 --> 01:12:31,226
that they think will do well.
1291
01:12:31,434 --> 01:12:37,148
(upbeat music)
1292
01:12:37,357 --> 01:12:39,609
But for Wolf it was just like,
1293
01:12:39,818 --> 01:12:42,195
I'm gonna press up my
little brother's punk band.
1294
01:12:42,404 --> 01:13:02,591
(punk music)
1295
01:13:03,216 --> 01:13:07,053
Or I'm gonna press up a
7-inch of Captain Funkaho.
1296
01:13:07,262 --> 01:13:22,110
(upbeat music)
1297
01:13:22,319 --> 01:13:24,738
Wolf: We had to start over
because the people that
we were relying on
1298
01:13:24,946 --> 01:13:28,241
were either no longer with
us or just not recording.
1299
01:13:28,450 --> 01:13:32,621
A-Trak: And if people like
it, cool. If people hate it,
fuck it, we had fun.
1300
01:13:32,829 --> 01:13:44,049
(upbeat music)
1301
01:13:44,257 --> 01:13:47,052
Wolf: The more I strayed
from what people knew
Stones Throw to be,
1302
01:13:47,260 --> 01:13:48,845
the more I got criticized.
1303
01:13:49,054 --> 01:13:51,514
(upbeat music)
1304
01:13:51,723 --> 01:13:54,184
I was surprised because we
were doing the same thing
we had always done
1305
01:13:54,392 --> 01:13:59,272
and I felt like I was
always finding new artists
that were really great.
1306
01:14:11,826 --> 01:14:16,998
Diva: The person that really
sold me on Stones Throw,
though, was Folerio.
1307
01:14:21,586 --> 01:14:29,803
Royal Kush: Well, Folerio has a
very inviting sense about him.
1308
01:14:31,262 --> 01:14:33,223
He seems to be a traveler.
1309
01:14:33,431 --> 01:16:08,526
(music)
1310
01:16:08,735 --> 01:16:10,320
The Gaslamp Killer: I
definitely think that Wolf
1311
01:16:10,528 --> 01:16:12,655
is different than
what people think.
1312
01:16:12,864 --> 01:16:35,095
(upbeat music)
1313
01:16:35,303 --> 01:16:36,471
DJ House Shoes: Yeah,
Wolf's a regular dude man.
1314
01:16:36,679 --> 01:16:39,641
Slightly awkward, you
know what I'm saying?
1315
01:16:39,849 --> 01:16:40,391
Good dude.
1316
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,353
I think there's a fucking party
animal trapped in him there.
1317
01:16:43,561 --> 01:16:45,063
Like way deep down.
1318
01:16:45,271 --> 01:16:47,690
It's a real wild
motherfucker in there.
1319
01:16:47,899 --> 01:16:49,984
Folerio: Folerio loves
New York City!
1320
01:16:50,193 --> 01:16:51,820
(crowd cheering)
1321
01:16:52,028 --> 01:16:54,697
Man: Folerio, Folerio yeah!
1322
01:16:54,906 --> 01:16:58,493
(crowd cheering)
1323
01:17:00,286 --> 01:17:00,662
Folerio: Great.
1324
01:17:00,870 --> 01:17:03,081
All right, well awesome.
1325
01:17:03,289 --> 01:17:05,792
Well, I'm just grabbing some
records and I'm almost there.
1326
01:17:05,959 --> 01:17:09,087
Folerio loving!
1327
01:17:09,295 --> 01:17:10,505
(crowd cheering)
1328
01:17:10,713 --> 01:17:29,232
(upbeat music)
1329
01:17:29,566 --> 01:17:31,526
J.RocC: What makes him
think of Folerio?
1330
01:17:32,110 --> 01:17:35,029
And then do it--
to go full blown,
1331
01:17:36,489 --> 01:17:40,076
Folerio'd out. Like he
signed Folerio like really?
1332
01:17:40,285 --> 01:17:42,579
You'll put it out,
Folerio's new record?
1333
01:17:42,787 --> 01:17:44,164
Folerio: You want one more song?
1334
01:17:44,622 --> 01:17:45,874
You want one more song?
1335
01:17:46,082 --> 01:17:47,500
(crowd cheering)
1336
01:17:48,710 --> 01:17:50,545
Will we make one more song?
1337
01:17:50,753 --> 01:17:52,297
(crowd cheering)
1338
01:17:52,505 --> 01:17:53,506
No problem?
1339
01:17:54,924 --> 01:17:58,511
James: God, I'm so glad there's
a label just putting
out this nutty stuff.
1340
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,514
That's never gonna sell
but it's just so good, you know?
1341
01:18:01,723 --> 01:18:02,557
20 years down the road
1342
01:18:02,765 --> 01:18:05,852
that's gonna be the
records people are
looking for, you know?
1343
01:18:06,060 --> 01:18:07,979
It's like, "Oh yeah
this label Stones Throw,
1344
01:18:08,188 --> 01:18:12,108
they only put out
200 of this Folerio 45
1345
01:18:12,317 --> 01:18:14,569
and it was so terrible at
the time no one bought it.
1346
01:18:14,777 --> 01:18:16,863
But now it's like it's the--
1347
01:18:17,071 --> 01:18:18,156
You know, everyone wants to.
1348
01:18:18,364 --> 01:18:20,783
It's like the holy grail
of Stones Throw, you know?"
1349
01:18:22,994 --> 01:18:26,456
Wolf: There was a time you
know, in Stones Throw's history
1350
01:18:26,664 --> 01:18:30,126
where we just weren't
making any money.
1351
01:18:30,335 --> 01:18:31,586
A lot of it also had
to do with the fact
1352
01:18:31,794 --> 01:18:33,421
that the record stores
were all closing down.
1353
01:18:33,630 --> 01:18:36,758
So, you had Tower Records
and Virgin Records.
1354
01:18:36,966 --> 01:18:41,054
Any major chain in the
United States closed down.
1355
01:18:41,262 --> 01:18:43,306
Madlib: Internet, YouTube.
1356
01:18:43,514 --> 01:18:44,849
I respect everybody
that does that
1357
01:18:45,058 --> 01:18:47,644
but that messed up our,
you know, what we do.
1358
01:18:47,852 --> 01:18:50,855
We still wanna do it but that
messed up a lot of things.
1359
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:55,944
Wolf: We got hit with like tens
of thousands of returns of CDs
1360
01:18:56,986 --> 01:18:59,948
and a lot of record
labels actually closed
their doors that year
1361
01:19:00,156 --> 01:19:05,036
when that happened
and we kind of stuck through it
1362
01:19:05,245 --> 01:19:11,125
and just kept putting
out weird shit. (laughs)
1363
01:19:11,334 --> 01:19:36,859
(upbeat music)
1364
01:19:37,068 --> 01:19:39,445
Dam-Funk: Wolf had heard
my music on Myspace
1365
01:19:39,654 --> 01:19:42,490
based on the comment I
left on Baron Zen's page.
1366
01:19:42,699 --> 01:19:46,995
(upbeat music)
1367
01:19:47,203 --> 01:19:48,871
Steve: Dam-Funk's
first release was
1368
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:50,957
on the Baron Zen Remix album.
1369
01:19:51,165 --> 01:19:58,006
(upbeat music)
1370
01:19:58,214 --> 01:19:59,257
Wolf: He gave me his album
1371
01:19:59,465 --> 01:20:01,718
and it was like 5 or 6
albums worth of material
1372
01:20:01,926 --> 01:20:04,053
and he didn't wanna
make it any shorter.
1373
01:20:04,262 --> 01:20:07,724
So I said let's do a vinyl box
set for your debut release.
1374
01:20:07,932 --> 01:20:09,142
People would go
in the record store,
1375
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:11,728
they'll see this box set of
this unknown person and be like,
1376
01:20:11,936 --> 01:20:13,479
"Wow, this person
deserves a box set.
1377
01:20:13,688 --> 01:20:15,231
"They must be really important."
1378
01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:17,108
And it worked.
1379
01:20:17,317 --> 01:20:26,659
(upbeat music)
1380
01:20:29,704 --> 01:20:30,455
Mayer: I was kinda...
1381
01:20:30,663 --> 01:20:31,914
Like when I came in,
1382
01:20:32,123 --> 01:20:38,838
I was part of the kind
of like 2nd generation.
1383
01:20:39,881 --> 01:20:44,385
♫ (lyrics) You know baby'
I know you think we can
make it all work out. ♫
1384
01:20:44,594 --> 01:20:46,471
David Letterman: Mayer Hawthorne,
ladies and gentlemen.
1385
01:20:46,679 --> 01:20:47,347
There it is right there.
1386
01:20:47,555 --> 01:20:48,514
How do you do?
1387
01:20:49,766 --> 01:20:52,185
♫ (lyrics) I don't wanna
make this any harder
than it needs to be
1388
01:20:53,061 --> 01:20:54,228
So don't cry ♫
1389
01:20:55,229 --> 01:20:59,859
Mayer: So it was like this
new crop of kids coming in.
1390
01:21:00,068 --> 01:21:05,365
It was me, Dam-Funk,
James Pants and Aloe Blacc
1391
01:21:05,573 --> 01:21:07,784
and Wolf really
saw it like that.
1392
01:21:07,992 --> 01:21:10,912
You know, he saw us as
the future of Stones Throw.
1393
01:21:12,372 --> 01:21:16,250
He was getting kind of pigeon-
holed into Stones Throw
being the hip-hop label
1394
01:21:16,459 --> 01:21:18,294
and I don't think he ever
really saw it like that.
1395
01:21:18,503 --> 01:21:22,048
♫ (lyrics) Just don't
feel the same ♫
1396
01:21:22,256 --> 01:21:24,217
Wolf: After we released
Mayer Hawthorne's album,
1397
01:21:24,425 --> 01:21:26,719
when Aloe heard that he's
like, "I can do that."
1398
01:21:26,928 --> 01:21:30,556
He started working with
this band from New York
and they did I Need a Dollar.
1399
01:21:30,765 --> 01:21:51,285
(soul music)
1400
01:21:51,494 --> 01:21:53,454
♫ (lyrics) I need
a dollar, dollar
1401
01:21:53,663 --> 01:21:56,124
A dollar that's what I need
1402
01:21:56,332 --> 01:21:58,209
Said I need a dollar
1403
01:21:58,418 --> 01:22:00,753
Said a dollar is what I need
1404
01:22:01,504 --> 01:22:03,172
Said I need a dollar
1405
01:22:03,381 --> 01:22:05,299
I said a dollar
that's what I need
1406
01:22:05,508 --> 01:22:08,261
And I'll share with you my story
1407
01:22:08,469 --> 01:22:11,139
If you share your
dollar with me ♫
1408
01:22:11,347 --> 01:22:13,474
Conan: My next guest is a
Southern California native.
1409
01:22:13,683 --> 01:22:16,769
He is here tonight with a
song from his latest
album Good Things.
1410
01:22:16,978 --> 01:22:18,688
Please welcome Aloe Blacc.
1411
01:22:18,896 --> 01:22:22,150
Wolf: Aloe said, "I think this
is the song I Need a Dollar."
1412
01:22:22,358 --> 01:22:24,110
And I heard it and I was like.
1413
01:22:24,318 --> 01:22:27,447
Then it got licensed
for this HBO Show,
1414
01:22:27,655 --> 01:22:28,781
How to Make it in America,
1415
01:22:28,990 --> 01:22:30,074
it was the theme song
1416
01:22:30,283 --> 01:22:32,535
and then we rushed to get it
on iTunes and we called it
1417
01:22:32,743 --> 01:22:35,955
I Need a Dollar, How to Make
It in America theme
song in parenthesis.
1418
01:22:36,164 --> 01:22:37,415
We didn't even
ask if that's okay.
1419
01:22:37,623 --> 01:22:39,041
Like we probably could
have gotten sued for that.
1420
01:22:39,250 --> 01:22:40,710
♫ (lyrics) I need a dollar
1421
01:22:40,918 --> 01:22:42,879
I said a dollar is what I need
1422
01:22:43,087 --> 01:22:45,673
And I'll share with you my story
1423
01:22:45,882 --> 01:22:48,050
If you share your dollar with me
1424
01:22:48,259 --> 01:22:50,511
Come on, share
your dollar with me
1425
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,055
Go ahead, share
your dollar with me
1426
01:22:53,264 --> 01:22:56,184
Come on, share your
dollar, give me your dollar
1427
01:22:56,392 --> 01:22:58,227
Share your dollar with me
1428
01:22:58,436 --> 01:23:03,107
Come on, share your
dollar with me, yeah
1429
01:23:04,150 --> 01:23:15,786
Yeah, I need, I
need a dollar, yeah ♫
1430
01:23:37,099 --> 01:23:38,392
Madlib: You got your house.
1431
01:23:38,601 --> 01:23:40,144
That's what you got
your house and your car
1432
01:23:40,353 --> 01:23:42,271
but you got to keep that up.
1433
01:23:42,855 --> 01:23:44,899
You don't sell a
certain amount it's over.
1434
01:23:45,107 --> 01:23:47,193
It's over but-- you know?
1435
01:23:48,611 --> 01:23:50,655
Wolf believes in something
different it looks like
1436
01:23:50,863 --> 01:23:53,074
because he still fucks with
cats that may not sell as much.
1437
01:23:53,282 --> 01:23:54,825
Or he may one day,
1438
01:23:55,034 --> 01:23:56,869
but you got to take that chance.
1439
01:23:57,078 --> 01:24:01,165
That's why I'm still here 20
something years later if
you know what I mean.
1440
01:24:02,291 --> 01:24:05,586
You can't have the future without
the past or anything between.
1441
01:24:05,795 --> 01:24:08,214
You got everything and
that's what Stones Throw had.
1442
01:24:08,881 --> 01:24:16,514
(upbeat music)
1443
01:24:16,722 --> 01:24:19,517
Wolf: I think what's been
exciting for me
with Stones Throw
1444
01:24:19,725 --> 01:24:23,437
and just being in the music
industry is just how
unpredictable it is.
1445
01:24:24,021 --> 01:24:27,483
It's difficult but you just
never know what's
around the corner.
1446
01:24:27,692 --> 01:24:36,784
(upbeat music)
1447
01:24:36,993 --> 01:24:37,702
Love man.
1448
01:24:44,667 --> 01:24:58,472
(upbeat music)
1449
01:24:58,681 --> 01:24:59,515
Snoop Dogg: Nigga, that
shit knockin'.
1450
01:24:59,724 --> 01:25:03,769
(upbeat music)
1451
01:25:03,978 --> 01:25:06,606
♫ (lyrics) Let me do my
thang, do my thang
1452
01:25:06,814 --> 01:25:08,524
Yeah, Imma do my thang
1453
01:25:08,733 --> 01:25:10,401
Let me do my thang
1454
01:25:10,610 --> 01:25:13,362
Stay on the low and get
it everywhere that we go
1455
01:25:13,571 --> 01:25:15,156
Let me do my thang
1456
01:25:15,364 --> 01:25:18,618
New gators on my feet rolling
up and down this street
1457
01:25:18,826 --> 01:25:20,244
Let me do my thang
1458
01:25:20,453 --> 01:25:23,623
I'm busting new batch get
it back just like that
1459
01:25:23,831 --> 01:25:25,249
Let me do my thang
1460
01:25:25,458 --> 01:25:28,919
I'm hard in the paint never
say what a nigga can't
1461
01:25:29,128 --> 01:25:31,422
Let me do my thang, do my thang
1462
01:25:31,631 --> 01:25:33,382
Yeah, Imma do my thang
1463
01:25:33,591 --> 01:25:35,968
Let me do my thang ♫
1464
01:25:36,177 --> 01:25:39,889
Man in green: Yeah, we can
turn it all [unintelligible].
1465
01:25:40,097 --> 01:25:42,975
Snoop Dogg: We got 5
or 6 great club bangers
1466
01:25:43,184 --> 01:25:46,103
if we just drop the
motherfucker with the
right meaning or reason.
1467
01:25:46,312 --> 01:25:47,438
I love how you all get down.
1468
01:25:47,647 --> 01:25:48,773
You all know what the
fuck you're all doing.
1469
01:25:48,981 --> 01:25:51,942
I told Dam, I was like
"Whatever they
say, I'm with it."
1470
01:25:52,151 --> 01:25:53,694
Dam-Funk: We just wanna
make this a great record,
1471
01:25:53,903 --> 01:25:54,362
you know what I mean?
1472
01:25:54,570 --> 01:25:56,322
We're gonna do it and you know,
1473
01:25:56,530 --> 01:25:58,240
it's beautiful that
we came to this.
1474
01:25:58,449 --> 01:25:59,742
This is what it really is,
1475
01:25:59,950 --> 01:26:03,162
creating music and
vibing with each other
1476
01:26:03,371 --> 01:26:05,581
and making something happen
to a great conclusion,
1477
01:26:05,790 --> 01:26:06,582
you know what I mean?
1478
01:26:06,791 --> 01:26:08,417
And everybody working together.
1479
01:26:08,626 --> 01:26:09,585
Snopp Dogg: And Dam, this
is a record about us
1480
01:26:09,794 --> 01:26:11,045
giving the people
what they want.
1481
01:26:11,253 --> 01:26:13,089
They requested this record right here.
1482
01:26:13,297 --> 01:26:14,507
Dam-Funk: Yeah, oh, you already know.
Snoop Dogg: We was forced into it.
1483
01:26:14,715 --> 01:26:16,676
Dam-Funk: We already (laughs)
1484
01:26:16,884 --> 01:26:18,135
Salute to that.
1485
01:26:18,344 --> 01:26:19,303
Snoop Dogg: We were
forced to do this record.
1486
01:26:19,512 --> 01:26:21,472
I mean anything else
would be uncivilized.
1487
01:26:21,931 --> 01:26:25,101
Mike: It's incredibly
hard to grow and
maintain the same ethics
1488
01:26:25,309 --> 01:26:27,978
and the same ethos over
such a long period of time.
1489
01:26:28,187 --> 01:26:32,400
Where they are today is
just a larger version
1490
01:26:32,608 --> 01:26:36,654
of what they were
originally doing which is
incredibly hard to do.
1491
01:26:38,197 --> 01:26:42,368
A-Trak: Stones Throw just
managed to build its own
empire independently.
1492
01:26:42,576 --> 01:26:47,081
There's so many great labels
that signed with a major
1493
01:26:47,289 --> 01:26:48,874
for some sort of
joint venture deal
1494
01:26:49,041 --> 01:26:51,627
and that ended up
killing those labels.
1495
01:26:51,836 --> 01:26:54,171
It's a tempting decision.
1496
01:26:57,508 --> 01:27:03,305
J.Rocc: It's crazy that they've
been able to hold on this long
with every other label closing.
1497
01:27:03,514 --> 01:27:07,226
Wolf could have got bought
up probably 5 times.
1498
01:27:07,435 --> 01:27:09,145
Wolf's like, "No, I'm good.
1499
01:27:09,353 --> 01:27:11,147
"I'm keeping the label,
it's my label, you know?
1500
01:27:11,355 --> 01:27:12,857
"I didn't start
this to sell it."
1501
01:27:13,607 --> 01:27:16,652
Wolf: Some of my decisions
have prevented me from
being more successful
1502
01:27:16,861 --> 01:27:20,114
and I understand that
but I guess that's my struggle
1503
01:27:20,322 --> 01:27:24,869
because I mean, there's
probably like 3 or 4
handfuls of people who
1504
01:27:25,077 --> 01:27:26,787
when I put a record
I want them to like it
1505
01:27:26,996 --> 01:27:28,664
and then beyond
that I don't care.
1506
01:27:29,790 --> 01:27:35,212
Royal Kush: There is a bit
of an anti-establishment
flair to Stones Throw
1507
01:27:35,421 --> 01:27:36,589
and I don't think
that's a coincidence.
1508
01:27:36,797 --> 01:27:38,340
I think that has
to do with Chris.
1509
01:27:39,925 --> 01:27:43,512
His quest to move beyond music
1510
01:27:43,721 --> 01:27:49,018
and that move beyond
curation in essence kind
of go beyond general.
1511
01:27:50,269 --> 01:27:51,437
Mike D: I think
people like this,
1512
01:27:51,645 --> 01:27:53,230
they expect one
thing and I get that
1513
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:59,278
but ultimately the only thing
that keeps things alive is
change, invention, reinvention.
1514
01:27:59,487 --> 01:28:04,742
It's just like whatever sparks,
whatever it is he sees he's
like, great, I wanna do that.
1515
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:06,869
(music)
1516
01:28:07,077 --> 01:28:08,954
Wolf: In 30 years I want
to see Stones Throw Records
1517
01:28:09,163 --> 01:28:11,248
either in the $100
bin or the 99 cent bin.
1518
01:28:11,457 --> 01:28:12,583
I don't want it in the $5 bin.
1519
01:28:12,792 --> 01:28:15,836
I want people to either
like really hate it
or really love it.
1520
01:28:27,515 --> 01:28:42,947
(hip-hop music)
1521
01:28:43,155 --> 01:28:45,032
♫ (lyrics) I'm a fugitive
running from my past
1522
01:28:45,241 --> 01:28:48,285
How long will freedom last
I'm swinging knuckles of brass
1523
01:28:48,494 --> 01:28:50,746
Motivated, hustle for
cash, I'm puffing the hash
1524
01:28:50,955 --> 01:28:53,582
Leave a rapper on the ground
with his jugular slashed
1525
01:28:53,791 --> 01:28:55,918
And laugh at him, it's humorous
1526
01:28:56,126 --> 01:28:59,129
A lot of emcees got one
style, me I got numerous
1527
01:28:59,338 --> 01:29:01,674
I stand out so
nobody's confusing us
1528
01:29:01,882 --> 01:29:04,468
I'm way better, cold
winners, beige leathers
1529
01:29:04,677 --> 01:29:07,137
Black pistols, red
eyes, blue jeans
1530
01:29:07,346 --> 01:29:09,723
White widow, caked up, new green
1531
01:29:09,932 --> 01:29:12,476
Travel across borders,
across water
1532
01:29:12,685 --> 01:29:15,062
Being short on my
cashflow is a tall order
1533
01:29:15,271 --> 01:29:17,356
Your style shallow like
fountains where they
toss quarters
1534
01:29:17,565 --> 01:29:19,692
Wishing away to be
the pick of the day
1535
01:29:19,900 --> 01:29:22,319
When motherfuckers would care
to hear the shit that you say
1536
01:29:22,528 --> 01:29:24,905
On show day you couldn't
give the tickets away
1537
01:29:25,114 --> 01:29:26,031
Loser
1538
01:29:28,617 --> 01:29:30,494
And this is the way
1539
01:29:36,542 --> 01:29:38,127
And this is the way
1540
01:29:40,713 --> 01:29:43,841
I step through the door, sharper
than a blade from a mower
1541
01:29:44,049 --> 01:29:46,385
Success, you more
like the pitch of a four
1542
01:29:46,594 --> 01:29:49,263
What a mess, I ain't gotta
brag when I double cash
1543
01:29:49,471 --> 01:29:51,932
Come easy like a breezy
with a treble pass
1544
01:29:52,141 --> 01:29:54,351
Still by popular demand
1545
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,937
Return like a shirt when
you wore it with a tag
1546
01:29:57,146 --> 01:29:59,273
Still clown in the C-U-T
1547
01:29:59,481 --> 01:30:02,109
Eyes low, Tae Bo, no S-U-V
1548
01:30:02,318 --> 01:30:04,778
CA to the D what up, talk shit
1549
01:30:04,987 --> 01:30:07,781
The shoe fit, equipped, get
your tongue shoestring, damn
1550
01:30:07,990 --> 01:30:09,783
Stay sound as I crack jaws
1551
01:30:09,992 --> 01:30:13,037
You lock doors, we break
through the bores in the drywall
1552
01:30:13,245 --> 01:30:15,205
By far we a highlight
1553
01:30:15,414 --> 01:30:18,292
You an extra, catch shade
from the spotlight, right
1554
01:30:18,500 --> 01:30:20,878
No pressure, respect,
just the best
1555
01:30:21,086 --> 01:30:23,339
To headline the field like
rent from your next check
1556
01:30:23,547 --> 01:30:24,924
M.E.D.
1557
01:30:27,259 --> 01:30:28,636
And this is the way
1558
01:30:31,972 --> 01:30:33,557
And this is the way
1559
01:30:36,769 --> 01:30:37,937
Pete Rock ♫
1560
01:30:58,582 --> 01:31:03,087
♫ (lyrics) So you feel
it oh so very strong
1561
01:31:04,004 --> 01:31:06,256
About us meeting
1562
01:31:07,424 --> 01:31:10,260
And you would like to know more
1563
01:31:11,136 --> 01:31:13,514
I get the feeling
1564
01:31:14,974 --> 01:31:18,227
That this here may not work
1565
01:31:18,435 --> 01:31:23,190
Because you see me I can
hide with something there
1566
01:31:23,399 --> 01:31:28,112
We can go as far as
you would like to go
1567
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:33,158
But it's with your heart baby
that you got to let me know
1568
01:31:33,367 --> 01:31:38,288
I understand that it
takes a lot of work
1569
01:31:38,497 --> 01:31:42,876
But I'll be right here if
you just stand by your word
1570
01:31:43,085 --> 01:32:12,072
(soul music)
1571
01:32:12,281 --> 01:32:17,161
You say that you
need my love, my love
1572
01:32:17,828 --> 01:32:22,082
But what are you
gonna do if you get it
1573
01:32:22,291 --> 01:32:27,629
You say that you need my
love, my love, my loving
1574
01:32:29,173 --> 01:32:30,466
Charizma: They didn't
think we're nerds, did you?
1575
01:32:30,674 --> 01:32:31,258
Who cares.
1576
01:32:31,467 --> 01:32:32,509
Wolf: I don't know.
Charizma: I have twenty cents.
1577
01:32:32,718 --> 01:32:35,679
Sometimes you just got to do
your own thing, you know?
1578
01:32:35,888 --> 01:32:37,973
Charizma: Yeah, we're different
than everybody else DJ.
1579
01:32:38,182 --> 01:32:39,892
That's what sets us
apart from them.
1580
01:32:40,100 --> 01:32:41,018
Wolf: That's right.
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