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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,790 Beauty, beauty, look at you. 2 00:00:42,125 --> 00:00:44,502 I wish to God I had it too. 3 00:00:55,263 --> 00:01:00,643 Beauty is about really being willing to look at yourself in that mirror, 4 00:01:00,727 --> 00:01:02,270 past the point of comfort, 5 00:01:02,353 --> 00:01:05,023 and really seeing what is it that I'm so afraid of? 6 00:01:05,106 --> 00:01:07,859 What is it I so don't like about myself? 7 00:01:07,984 --> 00:01:10,528 And then start to think about your parents, 8 00:01:10,612 --> 00:01:12,155 and start to think about religion, 9 00:01:12,238 --> 00:01:16,284 and start to think about all the voices that come, 10 00:01:16,367 --> 00:01:18,828 and that tell you you're not enough. 11 00:01:29,005 --> 00:01:31,299 Kevyn was the greatest makeup artist that's ever lived. 12 00:01:31,382 --> 00:01:32,759 Best makeup artist around. 13 00:01:32,842 --> 00:01:36,137 Here he is. You heard it here first. 14 00:01:36,221 --> 00:01:38,973 He could do things that were truly unbelievable. 15 00:01:40,809 --> 00:01:42,644 He was a true artist. 16 00:01:46,314 --> 00:01:50,485 There was nobody even close to being a celebrity makeup artist. 17 00:01:50,568 --> 00:01:54,781 He was really the first and only of that level, to this day. 18 00:01:56,991 --> 00:01:58,243 Kevin could do anything. 19 00:01:58,326 --> 00:01:59,828 Oh, I like that. 20 00:01:59,911 --> 00:02:02,831 Definitely, Kevyn was the go-to celebrity makeup artist. 21 00:02:02,914 --> 00:02:06,584 I guess this award should really be going to my makeup artist, Kevyn Aucoin. 22 00:02:06,668 --> 00:02:08,795 I want to thank Kevyn Aucoin. 23 00:02:08,878 --> 00:02:10,713 -Thank you to Kevyn Aucoin. -Kevyn Aucoin. 24 00:02:10,797 --> 00:02:13,133 Kevyn Aucoin. 25 00:02:14,551 --> 00:02:18,763 He could look at any woman and see the beauty that was there, 26 00:02:18,847 --> 00:02:19,973 whether she saw it or not, 27 00:02:20,056 --> 00:02:21,641 whether other people saw it or not. 28 00:02:21,724 --> 00:02:24,936 Kevyn saw it, and he knew how to access it. 29 00:02:25,019 --> 00:02:26,688 He knew how to pull it out. 30 00:02:26,771 --> 00:02:28,731 - Oh, wow. -I love you, Kevyn. 31 00:02:28,815 --> 00:02:30,275 I've never felt so beautiful. 32 00:02:30,358 --> 00:02:31,484 -What a day. - Aww... 33 00:02:31,568 --> 00:02:34,696 He did have this ability to make everybody else feel beautiful, 34 00:02:34,779 --> 00:02:37,282 but I don't know if he ever saw his beauty. 35 00:02:37,365 --> 00:02:40,076 And that's sad 'cause there was a beauty to him. 36 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,287 I'm so excited to meet you! 37 00:02:42,370 --> 00:02:44,747 He was adored on so many levels, 38 00:02:44,873 --> 00:02:47,000 but there must have been something inside of him 39 00:02:47,083 --> 00:02:48,459 where it never got through. 40 00:02:48,543 --> 00:02:52,589 It's almost like there was a shell there that you couldn't get in through 41 00:02:52,672 --> 00:02:54,215 to let him know how much you loved him. 42 00:02:54,299 --> 00:02:58,011 I think he carried with him the trauma of his childhood, 43 00:02:58,094 --> 00:03:00,138 which was really severe. 44 00:03:03,391 --> 00:03:07,520 He never quite figured out how to get to the heart of his pain, 45 00:03:07,604 --> 00:03:09,063 and start to heal it. 46 00:03:16,905 --> 00:03:19,949 It's horrible to lose somebody that you love so much. 47 00:03:23,870 --> 00:03:25,872 I knew that something was wrong with his brain. 48 00:03:25,955 --> 00:03:29,667 And then I heard some whispers about some kind of a drug issue, 49 00:03:29,751 --> 00:03:31,127 and I was like, "What?" 50 00:03:35,048 --> 00:03:38,092 I was really confused. I mean, I had heard he wasn't feeling well, 51 00:03:38,176 --> 00:03:42,680 but I didn't... I didn't really understand. 52 00:03:45,683 --> 00:03:49,020 It was... incomprehensible. 53 00:03:49,103 --> 00:03:53,399 It was just one of those, like, what? It just made no sense. 54 00:03:53,483 --> 00:03:55,193 What happened? What happened? 55 00:04:07,914 --> 00:04:09,707 You're filming. 56 00:04:09,791 --> 00:04:11,292 - Where do you want me? -Go over there. 57 00:04:11,376 --> 00:04:13,753 You can film this... Does it look like film coming? Yeah, it does. 58 00:04:22,637 --> 00:04:24,097 The thing that really convinced me 59 00:04:24,180 --> 00:04:25,181 to sit down and talk to you was 60 00:04:25,265 --> 00:04:29,560 you said you had this video footage that Kevyn himself had shot. 61 00:04:29,644 --> 00:04:31,604 Cindy, show me from behind. 62 00:04:31,688 --> 00:04:33,106 Okay. 63 00:04:33,189 --> 00:04:34,565 And the second you said that, 64 00:04:34,649 --> 00:04:37,485 it reminded me, I could see Kevyn's... 65 00:04:37,568 --> 00:04:41,322 'cause he had big hands, Holding like a little camera. 66 00:04:41,406 --> 00:04:44,742 And it reminded me, "Oh my gosh, he was always filming." 67 00:04:44,826 --> 00:04:46,327 ...and I said yeah, because I have it on. 68 00:04:46,411 --> 00:04:49,622 And it was at a time when no one was shooting behind the scenes. 69 00:04:49,747 --> 00:04:52,583 So then I was like, "Okay, I wanna see what those... what's in there?" 70 00:04:59,173 --> 00:05:02,010 And you can like, hook it on, spray a little. 71 00:05:03,011 --> 00:05:04,637 You know, they weren't the moments that people remember, 72 00:05:04,721 --> 00:05:05,972 'cause they weren't the Vogue covers. 73 00:05:06,055 --> 00:05:09,475 They were the moments in between the Vogue covers, or the Cosmo cover. 74 00:05:09,559 --> 00:05:11,686 I've had this hairdo almost as long as I've had these. 75 00:05:14,689 --> 00:05:15,898 It is like a time capsule. 76 00:05:21,070 --> 00:05:22,822 I hear you're a Louisiana boy. 77 00:05:22,905 --> 00:05:26,701 Marvelous, yeah. Stay. They like that. That's great. 78 00:05:26,826 --> 00:05:30,204 I was overly excited and nervous, 'cause I had been out... 79 00:05:30,288 --> 00:05:33,291 Can I show you what I've been out doing? Wrestling alligators. 80 00:05:33,374 --> 00:05:36,586 Yeah, great! Look at me, that's wonderful. 81 00:05:38,463 --> 00:05:39,464 There. 82 00:05:43,885 --> 00:05:45,803 She's back in black. 83 00:05:46,512 --> 00:05:50,141 This is the outfit Andie wears to pick up her children from school. 84 00:05:52,602 --> 00:05:56,606 I had wondered recently, I wonder where Kevyn's videos are? 85 00:05:57,398 --> 00:05:59,192 There was some crazy one of me in the bathroom, 86 00:05:59,275 --> 00:06:01,152 taking my makeup off, screaming. 87 00:06:07,992 --> 00:06:11,621 I was just being silly, because you know, the black was coming down my face. 88 00:06:15,792 --> 00:06:18,002 It was just a crazy moment with Kevyn. 89 00:06:18,086 --> 00:06:21,506 Ah, they're gonna destroy us! 90 00:06:29,722 --> 00:06:33,059 And that's the way it was. 91 00:06:33,142 --> 00:06:35,520 -Aaaaah! -It's killing me. Kevyn tickles me. 92 00:06:36,562 --> 00:06:37,605 Hey, darling. 93 00:06:37,688 --> 00:06:39,482 He was way ahead of his time. 94 00:06:39,565 --> 00:06:42,985 You know, just the way we do now with selfies and Snapchat, 95 00:06:43,069 --> 00:06:44,403 and you know, Facebook. 96 00:06:47,782 --> 00:06:50,701 He would have put the little Instagram kids to shame. 97 00:06:52,662 --> 00:06:54,789 ...in the backdrop. Get us on the backdrop. Go back. 98 00:06:54,914 --> 00:06:57,375 I think Kevyn could not believe that 99 00:06:57,458 --> 00:07:00,545 all of the women that he had been dreaming about, 100 00:07:00,628 --> 00:07:03,631 who got him through the pain of his childhood, 101 00:07:03,756 --> 00:07:05,883 were spending the day together on set... 102 00:07:05,967 --> 00:07:08,302 Say, "Don't worry, everything's gonna be all right." 103 00:07:09,971 --> 00:07:12,515 Maybe you'll be a singer next. Gonna do his own makeup. 104 00:07:12,598 --> 00:07:14,559 I'm gonna do my own makeup. On video. 105 00:07:14,642 --> 00:07:18,062 ...and leaving messages on his machine. 106 00:07:18,146 --> 00:07:22,191 -Hi Kevyn, it's Liza. As in Minnelli. 107 00:07:22,275 --> 00:07:26,362 Um, can you call me at home? It's 249 99. 108 00:07:26,487 --> 00:07:32,118 Kevyn, it's Winona. I hope that you come back soon and rescue me. 109 00:07:32,910 --> 00:07:35,580 It was almost like he was taking evidence for himself. 110 00:07:35,663 --> 00:07:38,749 He was doing it to sort of say to his eight-year-old self, 111 00:07:38,833 --> 00:07:40,001 like, it's gonna be okay. 112 00:07:40,084 --> 00:07:41,210 Look where we're going. 113 00:07:41,294 --> 00:07:44,797 You know, we're gonna be with all of these idols of yours, 114 00:07:44,881 --> 00:07:47,842 and we're gonna be accepted and loved. 115 00:08:10,615 --> 00:08:12,283 We always wanted a family. 116 00:08:12,408 --> 00:08:16,329 That was no doubt... When we got married, that was the idea. 117 00:08:17,246 --> 00:08:20,791 We were married to have and raise a family. 118 00:08:24,086 --> 00:08:29,550 And then, uh, after a few years and we went to doctors and everything, 119 00:08:29,634 --> 00:08:32,136 and it came to where 120 00:08:32,220 --> 00:08:36,390 we were told we probably couldn't have our own family. 121 00:08:39,894 --> 00:08:43,105 We adopted Kevyn through Catholic Charities. 122 00:08:43,689 --> 00:08:46,484 I mean, Thelma and I, I was all... We were all excited. 123 00:08:46,567 --> 00:08:47,568 Listen, we were ready. 124 00:08:47,652 --> 00:08:49,153 That was our life. 125 00:08:51,113 --> 00:08:54,158 Eventually, we adopted four children. 126 00:08:54,242 --> 00:08:56,744 They were just a little over a year apart. 127 00:08:56,869 --> 00:08:59,163 I always told my children they were adopted 128 00:08:59,247 --> 00:09:01,999 because I knew it would come up at some point. 129 00:09:02,083 --> 00:09:04,752 First thing out, their mother could... loved them, couldn't take care of them. 130 00:09:04,835 --> 00:09:07,964 It was such a hard thing for her to give 'em up, 131 00:09:08,089 --> 00:09:11,759 but that I wanted to have a family, and that was answer to my prayers. 132 00:09:15,096 --> 00:09:19,684 So I knew that I was adopted and that... that had a mixed message. 133 00:09:19,767 --> 00:09:21,561 I was always told, "You were chosen." 134 00:09:21,644 --> 00:09:25,648 Um, but to be chosen, I had to be not wanted. 135 00:09:34,156 --> 00:09:36,033 That was the hardest thing I've ever had to do, is to go off and leave him. 136 00:09:42,164 --> 00:09:43,916 But there was no other way. 137 00:09:45,918 --> 00:09:48,671 There was no way for me. No way. 138 00:09:49,505 --> 00:09:52,008 I was a 15-year-old idiot. 139 00:09:52,091 --> 00:09:53,718 Running around with a bunch of kids 140 00:09:53,801 --> 00:09:55,886 that I shouldn't have been running around with. 141 00:09:57,763 --> 00:10:00,308 My mother didn't know until I was six months pregnant 142 00:10:00,433 --> 00:10:03,561 because every month I would take a Kotex 143 00:10:03,644 --> 00:10:06,105 and get squirrels out of the refrigerator, 144 00:10:06,689 --> 00:10:10,776 and put blood on the Kotex, and put 'em in the garbage can in the bathroom 145 00:10:11,944 --> 00:10:15,615 so she would think that I was having my period. 146 00:10:16,532 --> 00:10:22,330 And she just come up behind me one morning and put her arms around me, 147 00:10:23,497 --> 00:10:25,458 and just screamed. 148 00:10:27,209 --> 00:10:29,503 Oh, when she told my daddy. Oh, God. 149 00:10:29,587 --> 00:10:30,504 What happened? 150 00:10:30,588 --> 00:10:32,923 I figured he was gonna beat me to death. 151 00:10:33,007 --> 00:10:35,259 He didn't have anything to do with me after that, 152 00:10:35,343 --> 00:10:37,428 and he told mother I would have to leave 153 00:10:37,511 --> 00:10:40,806 because I couldn't live there anymore. 154 00:10:40,890 --> 00:10:45,895 So my mother found an unwed mother's home in Shreveport, St. Anne's. 155 00:10:45,978 --> 00:10:48,314 And she said she was gonna send me there. 156 00:10:49,690 --> 00:10:53,861 Kevyn was born February the 14th, 1962. 157 00:10:53,944 --> 00:10:55,905 The nurse wasn't gonna let me see him. 158 00:10:55,988 --> 00:10:57,490 You know, I wasn't supposed to see him, I was giving him up and I wasn't supposed to see him. 159 00:10:59,158 --> 00:11:01,786 And I told her I was gonna see him as long as I was there. 160 00:11:01,869 --> 00:11:04,997 And I started to go to open the door to go in there, 161 00:11:05,081 --> 00:11:06,666 and she grabbed me by my arm. 162 00:11:06,749 --> 00:11:08,876 When she did, I just knocked her up against the wall. 163 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:14,131 And I went in there, and I got my baby and sat down with him. 164 00:11:14,215 --> 00:11:17,510 And every day, I went up there, and from then on she didn't say anything. 165 00:11:17,635 --> 00:11:21,305 I went in there and I got him, and rocked him every day. 166 00:11:21,389 --> 00:11:23,182 Until I left from there. 167 00:11:25,393 --> 00:11:27,436 That like to kill me, to leave that baby there. 168 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,397 That like to have killed me. 169 00:11:30,147 --> 00:11:32,066 But there was nothing I could do about it. 170 00:11:33,109 --> 00:11:34,360 Not a thing. 171 00:11:40,866 --> 00:11:43,327 I first met Kevyn when I was about 18 years old. 172 00:11:43,411 --> 00:11:46,288 I was young, new model, 173 00:11:46,372 --> 00:11:49,458 and I was just really privileged to be on the shoot with him. 174 00:11:51,585 --> 00:11:53,796 I was adopted in the UK 175 00:11:53,879 --> 00:11:58,384 and a lot of people that I've come across 176 00:11:58,509 --> 00:12:00,636 who are adopted feel like there's a piece missing, 177 00:12:00,719 --> 00:12:03,889 and they just don't feel quite... whole. 178 00:12:05,015 --> 00:12:07,601 Maybe Kevyn shared these similarities as well. 179 00:12:07,685 --> 00:12:11,063 You always feel out there, you never feel like you fit. 180 00:12:11,147 --> 00:12:14,942 Being adopted and being gay on top of that was, um... 181 00:12:16,527 --> 00:12:18,112 it... it was very difficult. 182 00:12:23,534 --> 00:12:26,454 I think I knew I was different from the very beginning, 183 00:12:26,537 --> 00:12:30,374 by the time I was six, I realized I was gay. 184 00:12:30,458 --> 00:12:33,127 And I thought I was the only gay person there was in the world. 185 00:12:33,252 --> 00:12:34,753 I didn't even know the word gay. 186 00:12:35,296 --> 00:12:36,839 So I felt very alone. 187 00:12:37,298 --> 00:12:39,133 I always tried to do things, 188 00:12:39,216 --> 00:12:42,928 like playing the baseball, going fishing, going hunting. 189 00:12:43,012 --> 00:12:46,474 What it was, I was giving him the opportunity. 190 00:12:47,016 --> 00:12:52,271 He could never look back and say he didn't have the opportunity to do certain things. 191 00:12:52,354 --> 00:12:55,983 That had to make him understand that I loved him and I was thinking about him. 192 00:12:56,108 --> 00:12:57,693 I mean, that to me would prove it. 193 00:12:57,776 --> 00:13:00,988 It's what you do that proves how you feel. 194 00:13:01,071 --> 00:13:05,618 You don't have to be hugging and kissing, and all this kind of... no. 195 00:13:05,701 --> 00:13:08,162 See, my father never was like that with me either. 196 00:13:13,334 --> 00:13:14,585 Growing up being gay 197 00:13:14,668 --> 00:13:19,840 in Louisiana in the '60s was a really, really scary place to be. 198 00:13:22,218 --> 00:13:24,553 I mean, things for me started in the first grade. 199 00:13:25,846 --> 00:13:29,642 I went through school getting beat up every day. 200 00:13:31,977 --> 00:13:35,731 I didn't have any friends, and I didn't have any support. 201 00:13:36,106 --> 00:13:38,901 And the only thing I really had was 202 00:13:38,984 --> 00:13:41,654 Cher and Barbara Streisand and... 203 00:13:41,737 --> 00:13:44,073 everything stereotypical gay kids have. 204 00:13:46,158 --> 00:13:49,495 Barbara Streisand was his idol, he loved her. 205 00:13:50,538 --> 00:13:54,083 We had bought all of the albums of everything she sang. 206 00:13:54,208 --> 00:13:56,293 He papered the walls with it. 207 00:13:57,127 --> 00:14:01,799 He was proud of the drawings that he did, like those posters he made. 208 00:14:01,882 --> 00:14:04,677 I remember one time, we were going to Lake Charles 209 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,557 and he played that song Barbara Streisand sang, The Way We Were 210 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:15,396 all the way from here to Lake Charles, he played it over and over and over. 211 00:14:15,479 --> 00:14:17,064 I thought I was gonna go nuts. 212 00:14:21,026 --> 00:14:22,653 I started doing makeup on my little sisters 213 00:14:22,736 --> 00:14:24,405 when I was only 11 214 00:14:24,488 --> 00:14:27,074 because it gave me a sense of creativity. 215 00:14:27,157 --> 00:14:29,910 It made me feel that I had something to offer the world. 216 00:14:30,035 --> 00:14:32,079 It made me feel that I had a way out. 217 00:14:39,712 --> 00:14:41,046 By the time I got to high school, 218 00:14:41,130 --> 00:14:44,258 my school life was extremely volatile and crazy. 219 00:14:44,341 --> 00:14:46,051 Kevyn was an outsider. 220 00:14:46,135 --> 00:14:51,724 Terribly bullied by children, especially when they realized he was gay. 221 00:14:53,058 --> 00:14:55,644 I'll be honest with you, I really didn't suspect it. 222 00:14:55,728 --> 00:14:56,604 I knew he liked boys, 223 00:14:56,687 --> 00:15:00,441 and they'd come over here and spend the night just like other children. 224 00:15:00,524 --> 00:15:04,695 But I never really suspected anything like that, to be honest with you. 225 00:15:04,778 --> 00:15:06,238 Until he was about 13, 226 00:15:07,281 --> 00:15:09,992 and his mother told me about it. 227 00:15:10,075 --> 00:15:13,621 And then, I wasn't sure how I felt at that instant. 228 00:15:14,705 --> 00:15:19,376 Because it was... It was so different, and something that I'd never planned on. 229 00:15:19,877 --> 00:15:25,132 The people in Louisiana didn't accept the gay community. 230 00:15:25,257 --> 00:15:26,759 Period. 231 00:15:28,510 --> 00:15:31,263 Thelma taught religion for 14 years 232 00:15:31,347 --> 00:15:34,099 and when they came to the point where they said that 233 00:15:34,183 --> 00:15:37,519 she'd have to teach that homosexuality was a sin, 234 00:15:37,603 --> 00:15:39,563 that's when we gave it up. 235 00:15:39,647 --> 00:15:42,942 And I'm gonna tell you right now, not only did we give it up, 236 00:15:43,025 --> 00:15:47,029 we quit going to church. The only time I go to church now even 237 00:15:47,112 --> 00:15:49,490 is for weddings and funerals. 238 00:15:49,573 --> 00:15:53,077 I never did change my religion, my religion changed. 239 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,705 Because there was no way that anybody was gonna tell me 240 00:15:56,789 --> 00:15:59,708 that something was wrong with my son because he was gay. 241 00:16:05,214 --> 00:16:06,590 Well, it was in the tenth grade 242 00:16:06,674 --> 00:16:09,885 that Kevyn decided he wanted to quit school 243 00:16:09,969 --> 00:16:12,096 because of the way he was being treated. 244 00:16:12,221 --> 00:16:14,598 Evidently, there were death threats. So that got my attention. 245 00:16:17,142 --> 00:16:19,520 They tried to run over him with a pickup truck. 246 00:16:24,024 --> 00:16:25,067 I quit high school 247 00:16:25,150 --> 00:16:27,486 because two kids tried to kill me in a pickup truck, 248 00:16:27,569 --> 00:16:29,154 and I decided that was it. 249 00:16:31,031 --> 00:16:34,326 Well, Kevyn decided to drop out of school, 250 00:16:34,410 --> 00:16:37,788 and I was worried about how he was gonna make a living, I certainly was. 251 00:16:39,665 --> 00:16:44,962 These are all copies of magazine that, uh, Kevyn has work in. 252 00:16:45,045 --> 00:16:46,588 And that's just part of 'em. 253 00:16:46,672 --> 00:16:50,843 He even asked his mother for tuition for him to go to beauty school. 254 00:16:50,968 --> 00:16:54,388 I didn't think a boy could make a living doing makeup. 255 00:16:54,471 --> 00:16:58,392 So I'm gonna give you the exact answer that I told his mother. 256 00:16:58,475 --> 00:17:00,894 I said, "I might as well take the damn money 257 00:17:00,978 --> 00:17:03,188 and go to the front of the house in the sewer, 258 00:17:03,272 --> 00:17:05,399 and dump the nine hundred dollars." 259 00:17:17,411 --> 00:17:18,537 They turned the class over to Kevyn. 260 00:17:18,620 --> 00:17:22,374 He taught the class at cosmetology school, 261 00:17:22,458 --> 00:17:27,129 'cause Kevyn, he was an artist. In other words, that's... 262 00:17:27,212 --> 00:17:33,385 A lady or a girl, to Kevyn, was like some... an artist painting a picture. 263 00:17:43,896 --> 00:17:46,899 Kevyn and I met in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 264 00:17:46,982 --> 00:17:49,651 just out at the gay club one night. 265 00:17:50,569 --> 00:17:53,614 He was quite awkward, little bit goofy. 266 00:17:53,739 --> 00:17:57,785 Um, very outgoing, very gregarious. 267 00:17:57,868 --> 00:17:59,369 We connected immediately. 268 00:18:01,789 --> 00:18:04,833 I was enrolled at Louisiana State University, 269 00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:09,379 and wanna say within a week, he moved into the dorm room with me. 270 00:18:11,298 --> 00:18:14,968 He got a job in a cosmetic counter in a department store. 271 00:18:15,052 --> 00:18:18,180 A lot of African American women came into the store 272 00:18:18,263 --> 00:18:19,807 to have their makeup done. 273 00:18:19,890 --> 00:18:21,809 And all of the other girls at the counter 274 00:18:21,892 --> 00:18:23,727 would not work with them, they'd send them to me. 275 00:18:23,811 --> 00:18:27,064 Which I was thrilled about because these women had real need. 276 00:18:27,147 --> 00:18:32,736 The community I lived in did not offer them much compassion. 277 00:18:32,820 --> 00:18:35,489 I didn't care if somebody said, "Ooh, that lip color looks pretty on me." 278 00:18:35,572 --> 00:18:37,741 I cared if somebody said, "I feel good now." 279 00:18:37,825 --> 00:18:39,701 You know, it's how they felt that mattered. 280 00:18:40,035 --> 00:18:41,703 He does wanna get one or two pictures. 281 00:18:41,787 --> 00:18:43,956 I got fired because the customers complained 282 00:18:44,039 --> 00:18:45,582 that a boy was doing makeup. 283 00:18:45,666 --> 00:18:47,709 I mean, this was the '70s in Louisiana, 284 00:18:47,793 --> 00:18:51,088 and, uh, people were not comfortable at all 285 00:18:51,171 --> 00:18:52,840 with people being different. 286 00:19:13,068 --> 00:19:14,236 Being gay in Louisiana at that time, 287 00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:16,697 I mean, you kept a low profile. 288 00:19:16,780 --> 00:19:19,783 It was scary because in Louisiana, 289 00:19:19,867 --> 00:19:23,412 the police put you in the bayou 290 00:19:23,495 --> 00:19:25,664 in a brick of cement, and no one finds you. 291 00:19:26,665 --> 00:19:31,170 And so, I... I didn't want to be one of those people. 292 00:19:31,295 --> 00:19:33,463 See those buildings there? 293 00:19:39,303 --> 00:19:42,139 There was a gravitational pull 294 00:19:42,222 --> 00:19:44,183 for me to come to New York City. 295 00:19:44,308 --> 00:19:48,729 Both of us had the thought that, uh, we needed to go to New York. 296 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,524 It was kind of a shock, you know? 297 00:19:52,608 --> 00:19:54,860 Wow, look at all those cabs in front of us. 298 00:19:55,527 --> 00:20:00,324 In 1982, yes, uh, New York was a dangerous place to be. 299 00:20:02,826 --> 00:20:08,081 But somehow, for two gay boys, it was safer than Louisiana. 300 00:20:08,165 --> 00:20:12,794 You know, we didn't have to be so self-guarded. 301 00:20:21,595 --> 00:20:22,804 I grew my hair this way 302 00:20:22,888 --> 00:20:25,807 because I'm soft and cuddly like a teddy bear. 303 00:20:25,891 --> 00:20:28,644 Sweet, sensuous, soft. 304 00:20:37,027 --> 00:20:39,071 Very often, after working all day, 305 00:20:39,154 --> 00:20:41,949 he would um, come home and do makeup on friends. 306 00:20:49,539 --> 00:20:52,000 Sometimes, he even did it on me 307 00:20:52,125 --> 00:20:55,420 for us to go out and what not, yeah. 308 00:21:02,427 --> 00:21:04,680 I started doing tests for free, 309 00:21:04,763 --> 00:21:06,181 which means you do makeup, 310 00:21:06,265 --> 00:21:08,725 the model does it for free for a portfolio. 311 00:21:10,143 --> 00:21:12,771 Kevyn wants you to pay for him privately. 312 00:21:12,854 --> 00:21:15,524 Wow, looks-seems like a lot... 313 00:21:15,607 --> 00:21:19,111 Do something pretty for the camera. Oh! 314 00:21:19,236 --> 00:21:22,948 I met him very young in his career. 315 00:21:23,073 --> 00:21:25,367 I was a little bit more established when I met him. 316 00:21:25,951 --> 00:21:27,119 What are we doing today? 317 00:21:28,328 --> 00:21:31,540 Just, you know, the usual. 318 00:21:32,416 --> 00:21:33,625 Sluts. 319 00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:37,129 Painting sluts. We're model maids, actually. 320 00:21:37,212 --> 00:21:40,716 We wait on models. We wait for them, then we wait on them. 321 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:43,969 Just this quiet and shy, and just, 322 00:21:44,052 --> 00:21:46,972 you know, very, very different. Very different. 323 00:21:47,723 --> 00:21:51,476 I remember going... This kid is like, forget it. I mean, 324 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,812 unbelievable. 325 00:21:55,731 --> 00:21:57,733 Whenever he did the girl's face 326 00:21:57,816 --> 00:21:58,817 and they looked in the mirror, 327 00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:01,403 they just went, "Oh, shit!" Like you know, that was it. 328 00:22:01,486 --> 00:22:04,114 I mean, he was-he was truly... 329 00:22:04,197 --> 00:22:05,407 there was no one like him. 330 00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:08,660 I mean, he could literally paint a face on them. 331 00:22:08,785 --> 00:22:10,746 But he would also make them look like 332 00:22:10,829 --> 00:22:12,831 the person they thought they looked like. 333 00:22:12,914 --> 00:22:14,708 You know what I mean? You know, and you think, 334 00:22:14,791 --> 00:22:16,418 "Oh, this is how I think I look." 335 00:22:16,501 --> 00:22:17,919 Now look up here like that. 336 00:22:18,003 --> 00:22:20,964 You know, like, "Wow, this is me." 337 00:22:21,089 --> 00:22:23,759 That's good, Naomi, what you're doing. 338 00:22:24,176 --> 00:22:27,137 He was then, I think, living in, um, 339 00:22:27,220 --> 00:22:28,805 the East Village with Jed. 340 00:22:28,889 --> 00:22:32,100 And he was really struggling. He wasn't like, he wasn't known. 341 00:22:32,851 --> 00:22:34,436 Don't film my legs. 342 00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:38,774 I start... I mean, we lived on tomato soup, lettuce, 343 00:22:38,857 --> 00:22:42,110 and you know, Thousand Island dressing. 344 00:22:44,696 --> 00:22:46,323 We did become friends. 345 00:22:46,406 --> 00:22:49,659 For a start, Kevin was so anti-drinking and... and drugs. 346 00:22:49,743 --> 00:22:52,079 Like he used to get so mad with me, 347 00:22:52,162 --> 00:22:56,166 'cause one time we did, we throw like a thing at Divine. 348 00:22:56,249 --> 00:22:58,251 Woo-hoo! Hey, let go of my tits! 349 00:22:58,752 --> 00:23:00,420 Looks perfect, Kevyn. 350 00:23:00,504 --> 00:23:02,255 And he said, "I'm going upstairs, 351 00:23:02,339 --> 00:23:04,591 and you're not to do any coke, da-da-da," and I was like, "Okay, okay." 352 00:23:04,674 --> 00:23:07,427 Yes. It's genius, you're gonna die. 353 00:23:08,804 --> 00:23:09,763 Ah! 354 00:23:09,888 --> 00:23:12,140 And he said he came downstairs, and it was a Tasmanian devil. 355 00:23:12,224 --> 00:23:15,268 He said there was lipstick on my ears, I was so like ahh, you know, like... 356 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,021 Do the face. 357 00:23:18,814 --> 00:23:19,898 Oh, yes. 358 00:23:23,985 --> 00:23:25,278 Look at me. 359 00:23:31,284 --> 00:23:33,036 Fast. 360 00:23:33,745 --> 00:23:35,288 It was wicked, it was fantastic. 361 00:23:35,372 --> 00:23:36,873 I don't regret a minute of it. 362 00:23:36,957 --> 00:23:38,959 I mean, we just... We were-we were... 363 00:23:39,042 --> 00:23:41,586 I think I was high for like 15 years. 364 00:23:41,711 --> 00:23:43,213 -Seriously. 365 00:23:43,296 --> 00:23:45,590 No, what? It's just it was compulsory. 366 00:23:49,219 --> 00:23:53,640 The first time I met Kevyn, I was working some crap catalog, 367 00:23:53,723 --> 00:23:58,478 and there was this young, very lanky, very tall boy. 368 00:23:58,562 --> 00:24:02,274 And he looked at me with these beautiful eyes, 369 00:24:02,399 --> 00:24:04,734 and the look on his face was like, 370 00:24:04,818 --> 00:24:07,487 it was like he just saw Jesus walk into the room. 371 00:24:07,571 --> 00:24:10,907 He said, "You're Paulina Porizkova." 372 00:24:11,533 --> 00:24:15,162 And I was like, yeah, well... 373 00:24:15,287 --> 00:24:18,081 It feels kind of good. "Yes, I am." 374 00:24:18,206 --> 00:24:21,376 And he said, "I'm-I'm Kevyn, and I'm gonna do your makeup today, and I'm just so excited to meet you! Oh, my God! 375 00:24:24,713 --> 00:24:27,215 Like, this is like the greatest moment of my life!" 376 00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:32,429 And that was the start of our friendship, our relationship. 377 00:24:32,929 --> 00:24:34,514 Do I look like Carol Alt? 378 00:24:36,725 --> 00:24:38,810 Don't you wish you did, though? 379 00:24:40,103 --> 00:24:43,064 Kevyn was very open about his childhood with everybody. 380 00:24:43,148 --> 00:24:48,195 I think when you've grown up feeling different, 381 00:24:48,278 --> 00:24:51,698 uh, feeling like there was something wrong with you, 382 00:24:51,823 --> 00:24:54,284 more than anything, you crave approval. 383 00:24:54,367 --> 00:24:56,077 You're hungry to show people that you're good, 384 00:24:56,161 --> 00:24:59,039 and that there's a reason for your existence. 385 00:24:59,122 --> 00:25:00,624 And you always have something to prove. 386 00:25:10,467 --> 00:25:15,138 I went up with a model who was going to a go-see, 387 00:25:15,222 --> 00:25:16,848 a go-see at Vogue, 388 00:25:16,973 --> 00:25:18,850 for them to look at her portfolio, and I brought mine. 389 00:25:18,975 --> 00:25:21,186 Oh, wow, that's beautiful. I like that. 390 00:25:21,311 --> 00:25:22,479 And they looked at her portfolio, 391 00:25:22,562 --> 00:25:24,231 and they kept saying, "Who did the makeup here?" 392 00:25:24,314 --> 00:25:25,857 and she kept saying, "He did." 393 00:25:26,441 --> 00:25:27,692 And they said, "Can we see your portfolio?" 394 00:25:27,776 --> 00:25:29,736 And she looked at it, she said she liked it. 395 00:25:32,322 --> 00:25:39,329 Yes, I was the person who gave Kevyn his first big break, probably first break. 396 00:25:40,038 --> 00:25:42,040 I liked what I saw, 397 00:25:42,123 --> 00:25:47,754 and very shortly thereafter, Steven Meisel and I were working together. 398 00:25:47,837 --> 00:25:50,966 And I said why don't we get Kevyn Aucoin in? 399 00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:52,509 Thank God for Steven Meisel. 400 00:25:52,592 --> 00:25:54,636 I mean, Steven Meisel saved my life. 401 00:25:54,719 --> 00:25:57,681 He gave me the job. He trusted an unknown, 402 00:25:57,806 --> 00:25:58,848 and he brought me in. 403 00:25:58,932 --> 00:26:00,100 Relax. 404 00:26:01,226 --> 00:26:02,519 That'd be good. 405 00:26:02,852 --> 00:26:04,396 Then I started working with Irving Penn, 406 00:26:04,479 --> 00:26:08,316 Annie Liebovitz, uh, Herb Ritts, uh, Helmut Newton. 407 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,609 Wait a minute, I want to see your face. 408 00:26:09,693 --> 00:26:11,528 Well you know, Helmut, where you want to get it 409 00:26:11,611 --> 00:26:14,197 is when I flip him over, maybe you should be on the side. 410 00:26:19,035 --> 00:26:20,078 It's fabulous. 411 00:26:24,249 --> 00:26:25,375 This way, please. 412 00:26:28,086 --> 00:26:30,380 Oh, I like that. I love the hair like that. She's trying to knock me out, she don't want no competition. 413 00:26:36,469 --> 00:26:40,015 -Oh, you got that? - Yes, I've been getting it. 414 00:26:40,974 --> 00:26:43,518 Not so scared, more like hip and chic and all, 415 00:26:43,601 --> 00:26:45,020 like on the hips. 416 00:26:45,937 --> 00:26:49,024 Average! Average! 417 00:26:50,275 --> 00:26:54,404 I'm Linda Evangelista, and get that through your head! 418 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,828 This is me fixing Grace. 419 00:27:11,004 --> 00:27:14,132 - Andie? -So what were you saying, Kevyn? 420 00:27:14,215 --> 00:27:16,718 He was on that real great high 421 00:27:16,801 --> 00:27:21,723 of fulfilling something that he, you know, was a life-long dream. 422 00:27:21,806 --> 00:27:25,226 And just, you know, his exuberant 423 00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:27,896 and the way he went about his day, 424 00:27:27,979 --> 00:27:29,439 light-hearted energy. 425 00:27:29,522 --> 00:27:30,774 Look at you. 426 00:27:30,857 --> 00:27:33,193 I'm an angel in disguise. 427 00:27:33,276 --> 00:27:35,695 A very clever disguise, 428 00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:38,740 a very deceiving disguise, but a disguise no less. 429 00:27:38,823 --> 00:27:39,741 Okay. 430 00:27:39,866 --> 00:27:42,744 I think we clicked because of our sense of humor, 431 00:27:42,827 --> 00:27:45,747 and just, you know, the desire to laugh and have a good time, 432 00:27:45,872 --> 00:27:47,916 but also our southern sense of humor, 433 00:27:47,999 --> 00:27:50,251 which I think is a very distinct sense of humor. 434 00:27:50,377 --> 00:27:52,253 What was the name of that preacher? Jimmy Swaggart. 435 00:27:52,337 --> 00:27:54,839 Jimmy Swaggart is my father. 436 00:27:56,091 --> 00:27:58,676 And you went to that school, didn't you? Looking for him. 437 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,053 And I went to his school. 438 00:28:00,178 --> 00:28:01,638 You're his ill-illegitimate child. 439 00:28:01,763 --> 00:28:03,932 I'm his ill-illegitimate child. 440 00:28:04,015 --> 00:28:05,308 Illegitimate child. And you went to that school, 441 00:28:05,392 --> 00:28:08,186 and did you learn how to do that dance he does on stage? 442 00:28:08,269 --> 00:28:10,397 I haven't seen that one. 443 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,023 You know... 444 00:28:12,941 --> 00:28:14,401 -this one. -Sorry. 445 00:28:14,484 --> 00:28:16,945 And I tell you it's gonna happen! 446 00:28:17,028 --> 00:28:19,739 And I tell you it's gonna happen! 447 00:28:20,198 --> 00:28:21,616 Repent! 448 00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:27,205 So, get ready... 449 00:28:29,082 --> 00:28:30,500 I did my first Vogue cover 450 00:28:30,625 --> 00:28:33,002 in 1986. 451 00:28:33,128 --> 00:28:35,255 And of course, Cindy Crawford's first Vogue cover. 452 00:28:35,338 --> 00:28:37,549 ...so pretty? I mean, I'm sure it's not average. 453 00:28:37,632 --> 00:28:38,758 Yeah, but you know what? 454 00:28:38,842 --> 00:28:39,718 What? 455 00:28:39,801 --> 00:28:41,094 Look in the mirror. Stay right there. 456 00:28:44,764 --> 00:28:48,560 We were both young, fresh off the boat, you know, 457 00:28:48,685 --> 00:28:51,062 and I think it was Kevyn's first time 458 00:28:51,187 --> 00:28:52,522 working with Richard Avedon, 459 00:28:52,647 --> 00:28:55,608 for sure, it was Kevyn's first time working with Polly Mellen. 460 00:28:59,529 --> 00:29:01,156 And I just remember being in the dressing room 461 00:29:01,239 --> 00:29:04,701 and I remember Polly Mellen, who was larger than life, saying, 462 00:29:04,784 --> 00:29:06,661 "How long, uh, do you need for makeup?" 463 00:29:06,745 --> 00:29:10,248 And Kevyn saying, "Well, how long do I have?" 464 00:29:10,331 --> 00:29:15,837 And Polly Mellen said, "No, darling. Like how long will it take 465 00:29:15,962 --> 00:29:18,673 for Kevyn Aucoin makeup?" 466 00:29:18,798 --> 00:29:20,842 Like she wanted Kevyn, in all his glory. 467 00:29:20,925 --> 00:29:22,343 Like she had seen his makeup, 468 00:29:22,427 --> 00:29:26,765 she wanted him to have the time to do his thing. 469 00:29:26,848 --> 00:29:29,934 And I remember he and I kind of looking at each other like almost giggling, 470 00:29:30,018 --> 00:29:33,605 like is she serious? Is this for real? And what is the right answer? 471 00:29:33,688 --> 00:29:36,065 Absolutely fabulous! 472 00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:38,026 -Kevyn? - Yes? 473 00:29:41,196 --> 00:29:44,199 The eyes are fantastic! 474 00:29:44,282 --> 00:29:47,827 That ended up being, I think, both of our first Vogue covers. 475 00:29:50,288 --> 00:29:53,082 Our careers were both starting to take off 476 00:29:53,208 --> 00:29:55,001 with the best jobs, the best photographers, 477 00:29:55,084 --> 00:29:56,878 the best magazines, at the same time. 478 00:29:58,338 --> 00:29:59,756 It was a dream come true. 479 00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:02,300 At one point, I had nine Vogue covers in a row. 480 00:30:02,383 --> 00:30:05,178 And at the same time, I had seven Cosmo covers in a row, 481 00:30:05,261 --> 00:30:07,305 and I had five Mademoiselle covers in a row. 482 00:30:07,388 --> 00:30:08,932 I just had all the covers of all the magazines. 483 00:30:11,893 --> 00:30:14,437 There were weeks where I would work with Kevyn three days a week. 484 00:30:14,521 --> 00:30:17,649 Um, and just when you spend that much time together, 485 00:30:17,732 --> 00:30:21,736 it's like camp. And you develop these really deep friendships. 486 00:30:22,362 --> 00:30:24,531 - Are you thirsty? -No, no, no, thanks. 487 00:30:24,614 --> 00:30:26,324 I'll just drink out the toilet if I want a drink, 488 00:30:26,407 --> 00:30:28,034 just stick my head in the bowl. 489 00:30:28,117 --> 00:30:30,703 Can have a snack while I'm there. 490 00:30:31,371 --> 00:30:33,248 Provided no one flushed. 491 00:30:33,373 --> 00:30:35,583 There's a crack in everyone's armor at one point in the day. 492 00:30:35,708 --> 00:30:37,710 Where's my cappuccino? I can't work like this. 493 00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:40,171 Look out, Crawford's gonna turn. You know, she's very-- 494 00:30:40,255 --> 00:30:41,464 Yeah, she's getting evil. 495 00:30:41,548 --> 00:30:43,299 -She gets evil. - I love when she turns. 496 00:30:43,383 --> 00:30:44,592 When did I get evil? 497 00:30:44,676 --> 00:30:47,303 It's always most fun in the makeup room. Always. 498 00:30:47,387 --> 00:30:49,848 Here it comes, I'll tell you the joke. You don't have to tape this. 499 00:30:49,973 --> 00:30:52,684 But this girl, um, she wants to get her boobs done. So she goes to the doctor and, um, he said, 500 00:30:55,562 --> 00:30:57,522 "Well here's a book of all the tit jobs that I've done, 501 00:30:57,647 --> 00:30:59,649 and you can look through it, pick the kind you like." 502 00:30:59,732 --> 00:31:01,943 So she's looking through, and she finds this great pair. 503 00:31:02,068 --> 00:31:05,029 She goes, "I like these." And he goes, "Okay, that's five thousand dollars." 504 00:31:05,154 --> 00:31:06,948 She said, "Five thousand dollars? I can't afford that." 505 00:31:07,073 --> 00:31:09,784 He says, "Well, how much can you afford?" She said, "Five hundred." 506 00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:11,578 And he goes, "Oh, my. Five hundred dollars?" 507 00:31:11,703 --> 00:31:14,497 He's like, "Okay, well there's one pair at the back of the book." 508 00:31:14,581 --> 00:31:16,249 So she goes to the back, 509 00:31:16,332 --> 00:31:18,543 she's a little afraid, thinking they're gonna be horrible. 510 00:31:18,626 --> 00:31:20,962 And they're exactly the same as the five thousand dollar pair. 511 00:31:21,045 --> 00:31:22,839 And she said, "They look great. I don't understand." 512 00:31:22,922 --> 00:31:26,009 He said, "There's one small problem. You have to pump them up." 513 00:31:27,427 --> 00:31:30,388 "But if you don't mind doing that, you can save forty-five hundred dollars." 514 00:31:30,471 --> 00:31:33,182 She goes, "I don't mind doing that. That's a good saving." 515 00:31:33,266 --> 00:31:37,228 So he gives her the surgery. So the first night, she's ready to go out. 516 00:31:37,312 --> 00:31:39,063 She goes to a bar, she's getting ready to meet guys, 517 00:31:39,147 --> 00:31:40,398 she has a sexy dress on. 518 00:31:40,481 --> 00:31:44,360 So she's going, getting, pumping up to get 'em really full to meet guys. 519 00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:47,405 And this guy's looking at her, but she doesn't think she knows him. 520 00:31:47,488 --> 00:31:49,198 She's like, "Excuse me, do I know you?" 521 00:31:49,282 --> 00:31:52,243 And he goes, "I don't think so, but I think we have the same doctor." 522 00:31:55,747 --> 00:31:59,709 You come into the hair and makeup room in the morning 523 00:31:59,792 --> 00:32:01,294 as just a girl, or just a woman, 524 00:32:01,377 --> 00:32:04,923 and it's like then those hair and makeup people are... 525 00:32:05,048 --> 00:32:07,342 They're the fairy dust that gets sprinkled on you, 526 00:32:07,425 --> 00:32:10,345 that enables you to kind of get in front of the camera 527 00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:12,388 and turn it on, and do your thing. 528 00:32:13,473 --> 00:32:14,682 She looks sensational. 529 00:32:16,351 --> 00:32:20,063 And Kevyn definitely, um, liked to sprinkle the fairy dust. 530 00:32:24,317 --> 00:32:27,236 The way Kevyn approached makeup 531 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,949 is more like an artist who wanted a blank canvas. 532 00:32:31,032 --> 00:32:35,703 He would literally erase your face. At one point, you would have no face, 533 00:32:35,787 --> 00:32:38,915 no shadow, no contour, nothing. 534 00:32:41,042 --> 00:32:45,421 It was like he had this hyper, beautiful version of you, 535 00:32:45,546 --> 00:32:49,050 and so in order to achieve it, it was like erase, 536 00:32:49,133 --> 00:32:51,260 and I'm gonna... It was like you were bionic, right? 537 00:32:51,344 --> 00:32:52,720 I'm gonna tear you down, 538 00:32:52,804 --> 00:32:55,932 but I'm gonna build you stronger, faster, more beautiful. 539 00:33:14,617 --> 00:33:16,285 It was much more glamorous and fun back then. 540 00:33:16,369 --> 00:33:20,456 It was the birth of the ubers, like Stephy, and Naomi, 541 00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:24,252 and that whole batch. Linda, and Christy. 542 00:33:24,377 --> 00:33:27,338 Because they really changed the game. It was a great time. 543 00:33:27,422 --> 00:33:28,881 The rates went through the roof, 544 00:33:28,965 --> 00:33:30,258 and Linda made that statement 545 00:33:30,341 --> 00:33:32,218 like she doesn't get out of bed for ten thousand dollars a day. 546 00:33:32,301 --> 00:33:36,431 I talked about money once, I will never talk about it again. 547 00:33:36,556 --> 00:33:39,517 Although, it must have been a brilliant quote, 'cause I... 548 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,603 they put it on a cover of a magazine in England. 549 00:33:42,687 --> 00:33:44,981 I don't wake up for less than ten thousand dollars. 550 00:33:45,106 --> 00:33:46,357 I know, I love that. I love that. 551 00:33:46,441 --> 00:33:48,401 And it's a picture of Paulina in like a bathrobe. 552 00:33:50,111 --> 00:33:52,530 They're printing this quote all over the world. 553 00:33:52,655 --> 00:33:55,450 It's famous. It'll be around for the next 50 years. 554 00:33:55,575 --> 00:34:00,163 In the beginning of the whole supermodel era thing, 555 00:34:00,246 --> 00:34:04,584 there was this group. Me, Christy Turlington, Linda Evangelista, 556 00:34:04,667 --> 00:34:07,962 Naomi Campbell, Tatiana, Stephanie Seymour. 557 00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:10,965 There was, you know, some people put in different names. 558 00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:13,009 There's not... We don't have like membership cards or anything, 559 00:34:13,092 --> 00:34:14,761 but there was a group of women. 560 00:34:14,844 --> 00:34:17,680 And Kevyn was working with everyone. 561 00:34:18,973 --> 00:34:22,060 Christy was the classic beauty, for sure. 562 00:34:24,812 --> 00:34:27,065 - Are you gonna do movies? -No. 563 00:34:27,607 --> 00:34:29,442 Why? What a waste. 564 00:34:31,486 --> 00:34:33,529 And Linda, I think, was the chameleon. 565 00:34:33,654 --> 00:34:36,741 You know, she could do blonde hair, she could do red hair, 566 00:34:36,824 --> 00:34:38,409 she could do long hair, she could do short hair. 567 00:34:38,493 --> 00:34:41,662 She just looked... She was able to kind of really transform herself. 568 00:34:41,746 --> 00:34:45,166 -Oh yeah, get the before. Oh, lovely. - Or like blown out. 569 00:34:45,249 --> 00:34:47,877 This is Linda with the red, red hair. 570 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,212 Gorgeous. 571 00:34:49,295 --> 00:34:50,713 So listen, um, know what I mean? 572 00:34:50,797 --> 00:34:51,881 Solid. 573 00:34:51,964 --> 00:34:56,385 Linda probably was most in her element on a shoot. 574 00:34:56,469 --> 00:35:00,056 You know, kind of being the-the grandam, 575 00:35:00,139 --> 00:35:03,351 like entertaining everybody. And she did have a wicked sense of humor 576 00:35:03,434 --> 00:35:06,854 and um, funny and good timing. 577 00:35:06,938 --> 00:35:09,607 She has a beautiful chin. 578 00:35:09,690 --> 00:35:11,067 And she's trained. 579 00:35:11,651 --> 00:35:14,278 So you'd better start writing that check right now. 580 00:35:18,533 --> 00:35:19,575 Linda? 581 00:35:19,659 --> 00:35:22,745 It's two hundred and fifty dollars! Are they insane!? 582 00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:25,623 We want a lot of energy, Paul. 583 00:35:39,345 --> 00:35:41,889 Point, point. Point, Paul! 584 00:35:48,729 --> 00:35:50,064 And point the walk! 585 00:35:50,148 --> 00:35:52,441 Where is he? Where is he? 586 00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:57,905 Naomi could move, she'd been a dancer. 587 00:35:57,989 --> 00:36:02,118 Um, she was like a little bit, had like, a little bit of a spoiled, 588 00:36:02,201 --> 00:36:06,038 naughty personality that came through in the pictures. 589 00:36:06,122 --> 00:36:07,290 Like a sweet brat, sort of. 590 00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:09,417 Don't, Kevyn! 591 00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:12,753 I'll never, ever live this down. 592 00:36:12,837 --> 00:36:14,922 And she was a little bit younger than all of us. 593 00:36:15,006 --> 00:36:16,966 Don't tell Linda I said that. No, just kidding. 594 00:36:17,049 --> 00:36:20,094 I think kind of I was typecast 595 00:36:20,178 --> 00:36:25,099 as like, kind of the all-American sexy girl next door. 596 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,354 It was really the glory day of beauty. 597 00:36:30,438 --> 00:36:34,442 Those were the days of the greats. The great models, 598 00:36:34,525 --> 00:36:37,653 the great photographers, the great makeup artists. 599 00:36:39,739 --> 00:36:41,657 Kevyn was extraordinary. 600 00:36:42,158 --> 00:36:46,120 He had a particular eye for detail. 601 00:36:46,245 --> 00:36:48,831 He could make the most seasoned model 602 00:36:48,915 --> 00:36:51,584 feel like she could even be more beautiful. 603 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,923 What paper is that you're reading, Cindy Crawford? 604 00:36:57,590 --> 00:36:58,966 The New York Post. 605 00:36:59,050 --> 00:37:02,303 I worked with Kevin a lot in the late '80s and early '90s. 606 00:37:02,386 --> 00:37:04,764 But there was that moment for me where I was like, 607 00:37:04,847 --> 00:37:08,976 all these different worlds are coming together. Fashion, music, 608 00:37:09,101 --> 00:37:11,312 entertainment, pop culture, 609 00:37:11,437 --> 00:37:13,981 and it was like the supermodel phenomenon. 610 00:37:22,531 --> 00:37:25,076 We had changed glamour, 611 00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:27,870 and it wasn't just about the actresses now, 612 00:37:27,995 --> 00:37:28,996 it was about the models, too. 613 00:37:31,999 --> 00:37:33,793 Kevyn was def in the middle of all of that. 614 00:37:33,876 --> 00:37:39,298 And in terms of diversity, I think I was fighting to get accepted. 615 00:37:39,382 --> 00:37:41,467 And Kevyn was very instrumental. 616 00:37:41,592 --> 00:37:44,220 I say that because when people make black skin up, 617 00:37:44,303 --> 00:37:46,472 they think you just put one foundation all over the skin, 618 00:37:46,555 --> 00:37:49,141 it's not the way. He just knew that. 619 00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:50,810 But I'm just doing your face now. 620 00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:53,104 He did black skin so well. 621 00:37:53,187 --> 00:37:54,939 Love the make-up. Thank you. 622 00:37:55,022 --> 00:37:57,275 He just was obsessed with what he did. 623 00:37:57,358 --> 00:37:59,819 He loved what he did. Passionately. 624 00:38:06,617 --> 00:38:08,911 As he became more successful, 625 00:38:09,036 --> 00:38:12,164 it started to become stressful 'cause Kevyn was extremely controlling. 626 00:38:12,248 --> 00:38:14,333 You know, you had to be on the Kevyn train. 627 00:38:14,417 --> 00:38:16,836 You need to support Kevyn. 628 00:38:18,629 --> 00:38:22,883 But not doing it was only minimally more difficult than actually doing it. 629 00:38:24,051 --> 00:38:28,139 So what I did, you know, I was the housewife in a way, 630 00:38:28,264 --> 00:38:31,684 househusband for a couple of years. 631 00:38:38,149 --> 00:38:40,609 Then it became a stressful... 632 00:38:40,693 --> 00:38:44,697 More of a stressful situation with me not having other things in my life. 633 00:38:44,780 --> 00:38:50,161 Because Kevyn was a very jealous person, a very suspicious person. 634 00:38:51,203 --> 00:38:53,039 Are you rolling your eyes at me? 635 00:38:53,956 --> 00:38:55,041 Yep. 636 00:38:55,416 --> 00:38:57,209 I would get shit. 637 00:38:57,293 --> 00:38:59,420 Uh, I mean, we were in a taxi or whatever, 638 00:38:59,503 --> 00:39:03,841 I would get shit if he noticed that I was looking at a cute guy, 639 00:39:03,924 --> 00:39:05,926 um, as we're driving down the street. 640 00:39:07,636 --> 00:39:10,139 And he would even say like, "Even though you're wearing sunglasses, 641 00:39:10,264 --> 00:39:13,392 I can tell where your eyes are." 642 00:39:13,476 --> 00:39:17,855 It was a very odd dichotomy about, you know, 643 00:39:17,938 --> 00:39:19,607 being the center of the universe, 644 00:39:19,690 --> 00:39:22,360 but also having ridiculously low self-esteem. 645 00:39:22,443 --> 00:39:23,778 And overcompensating for that. 646 00:39:24,445 --> 00:39:27,073 Kevyn was extremely insecure about his own looks. 647 00:39:27,156 --> 00:39:29,450 He hated his nose, he hated his forehead, 648 00:39:29,533 --> 00:39:32,119 he hated the fact that he was starting to lose his hair. 649 00:39:32,244 --> 00:39:34,205 Um, he thought his hands were too big. 650 00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:37,958 Um, he thought he was too tall, he thought his lips were too thick. 651 00:39:38,042 --> 00:39:38,918 He needed the attention, 652 00:39:39,001 --> 00:39:42,588 he needed to hear that he was loved all the time. 653 00:39:42,671 --> 00:39:46,175 Um, to really excessive extent. 654 00:39:46,258 --> 00:39:48,511 - Tell me something. -What? 655 00:39:48,636 --> 00:39:51,347 Tell me something sweet. Please? 656 00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:52,390 I don't have anything... 657 00:39:52,473 --> 00:39:55,851 I don't have anything recorded on film of you being sweet. 658 00:39:55,935 --> 00:39:57,311 -No? - No. 659 00:39:57,395 --> 00:39:59,522 Jed will now be sweet on camera. 660 00:39:59,605 --> 00:40:01,065 I love you, Poochy. 661 00:40:03,067 --> 00:40:04,735 I love you too, Jed. 662 00:40:04,819 --> 00:40:08,614 I'd say he's had abandonment issues, for sure. 663 00:40:08,697 --> 00:40:10,908 He talked a lot about being adopted. Yeah. 664 00:40:11,033 --> 00:40:13,953 I think that probably had something to do with it. 665 00:40:14,036 --> 00:40:15,204 I know he really wanted to find his birth mother 666 00:40:15,287 --> 00:40:19,959 because he felt this loss inside of, um, not understanding where he came from, 667 00:40:20,042 --> 00:40:21,752 and wanted to see if that person would love him. 668 00:40:21,836 --> 00:40:24,380 I know that that was a huge part of who he was. 669 00:40:25,423 --> 00:40:27,466 What he said to me was, 670 00:40:27,591 --> 00:40:31,262 "I want to find her because I want to know who I am. 671 00:40:31,387 --> 00:40:33,431 I just wanna know where I came from." 672 00:40:33,556 --> 00:40:37,768 And that's, you know, that's such a basic want. 673 00:40:37,852 --> 00:40:40,187 It didn't seem like his life was riding on finding her, 674 00:40:40,271 --> 00:40:42,106 but then once he found her, it was like, 675 00:40:42,189 --> 00:40:47,027 "Ooh, this is completely going to somehow change my life. 676 00:40:47,111 --> 00:40:50,322 Finally, it will all be explained to me." 677 00:40:59,331 --> 00:41:03,711 The dining room in there used to be, uh, just a little den. 678 00:41:03,794 --> 00:41:06,839 I had a TV in there, and a couch, and a love seat. 679 00:41:06,922 --> 00:41:10,759 And I was sitting in there watching TV and the phone rang. 680 00:41:10,843 --> 00:41:15,389 So I picked the phone up, and it was Kevyn. 681 00:41:16,307 --> 00:41:19,560 He said, "Is this Nelda?" I said, "Yes, it is." 682 00:41:20,394 --> 00:41:22,855 He said, "Do you know who this is?" 683 00:41:24,106 --> 00:41:27,151 I said, "Yes, I think I do. I think I do." 684 00:41:29,028 --> 00:41:31,697 When I heard his voice, it was just a relief. 685 00:41:32,781 --> 00:41:37,161 All these years that I have cried and worried 686 00:41:37,244 --> 00:41:40,706 and thought about him every night when I went to bed, 687 00:41:40,789 --> 00:41:44,835 and just to hear, you know, that he was okay. 688 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,464 And... it was just a relief. 689 00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:51,217 Like... Like ten tons weight off my shoulders. 690 00:42:39,223 --> 00:42:40,599 I don't see her. 691 00:42:41,725 --> 00:42:44,270 I always loved Kevyn because I mean, 692 00:42:44,353 --> 00:42:46,480 I didn't know what he looked like or anything, 693 00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:49,233 but I still, I loved him. He was my child, my blood. 694 00:42:51,193 --> 00:42:53,654 You love your child, no matter what. 695 00:42:55,739 --> 00:42:57,408 I know she's here. 696 00:42:59,326 --> 00:43:01,328 He was really nervous to meet me. 697 00:43:02,788 --> 00:43:04,039 There they are. 698 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,085 But when I seen him, I hugged him 699 00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:11,880 and when we got together it was just, it all melted. 700 00:43:40,492 --> 00:43:42,119 That was the happiest I've ever been. 701 00:43:47,583 --> 00:43:49,418 I think it's very important for some children 702 00:43:49,501 --> 00:43:52,838 who've been adopted to find their birth parents 703 00:43:52,921 --> 00:43:55,799 because you want to know who you are. You want to know who you are. You want to know, have a sense of identity. 704 00:43:58,844 --> 00:44:01,263 Where am I from, why did you give me away? You want answers. 705 00:44:01,347 --> 00:44:06,393 And in a lot of cases, people think that these answers will make them feel better. 706 00:44:06,477 --> 00:44:11,023 They think they're gonna heal. And to some degree, they are beneficial. 707 00:44:11,106 --> 00:44:15,319 But I think really, it's a lot deeper than that. 708 00:44:15,402 --> 00:44:18,781 It's a lot deeper than just finding the pieces 709 00:44:18,906 --> 00:44:21,533 to this jigsaw puzzle that you've put in your head. 710 00:44:21,617 --> 00:44:24,161 'Cause you think once I found that, once I know who I am, 711 00:44:24,244 --> 00:44:25,871 once I know the reasons why, I'll be whole. 712 00:44:25,954 --> 00:44:28,916 And all of this stuff that's going on inside me, 713 00:44:28,999 --> 00:44:32,127 all these issues and all this rejection that keeps happening, 714 00:44:32,252 --> 00:44:36,048 and all... all my neuroses over abandonment will disappear. 715 00:44:36,173 --> 00:44:37,883 But it's never the case. 716 00:44:45,265 --> 00:44:48,936 I don't know why it was important for Kevyn to see St. Anne's. 717 00:44:49,019 --> 00:44:50,854 But we found it. 718 00:44:50,938 --> 00:44:52,439 And we went. 719 00:44:54,691 --> 00:44:56,443 Oh, my God. 720 00:44:56,527 --> 00:44:59,571 So that's where I... Was that... I was born at the hospital, though? 721 00:44:59,655 --> 00:45:01,365 You were born at the hospital. 722 00:45:01,448 --> 00:45:03,033 -And brought back here. - Brought back here. 723 00:45:03,117 --> 00:45:05,661 And kept... not that window, 724 00:45:05,744 --> 00:45:08,997 next to the middle big window, but the one to the right. 725 00:45:10,499 --> 00:45:11,667 Wow. 726 00:45:14,044 --> 00:45:17,005 There's lots of psychology about healing the primal wound 727 00:45:17,089 --> 00:45:21,301 where, you know, when you're born and then suddenly you're ripped away from 728 00:45:21,427 --> 00:45:24,638 the person who you've been with actually for nine months, 729 00:45:24,763 --> 00:45:27,850 and the trauma and stress that causes, 730 00:45:27,933 --> 00:45:30,394 and the anxiety that builds from that. 731 00:45:30,477 --> 00:45:33,856 And it stays with them throughout their lifetime. 732 00:45:33,981 --> 00:45:35,649 I always came through there. 733 00:45:35,732 --> 00:45:37,443 And that's where y'all played checkers? 734 00:45:37,526 --> 00:45:38,652 We played cards and all that. 735 00:45:38,735 --> 00:45:42,364 It pained him. It hurt him very much because I gave him up. 736 00:45:42,448 --> 00:45:46,493 But what I told him, he did not understand was I was 15 years old. 737 00:45:47,369 --> 00:45:52,583 I was told that I could not keep him. I couldn't come home if I kept him. 738 00:45:52,666 --> 00:45:56,545 And what was I gonna do, go around on the street corner 739 00:45:56,670 --> 00:45:59,756 and beg for milk and not have a place to stay? 740 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,592 How was I gonna tend to a baby? 741 00:46:10,184 --> 00:46:15,564 I think that Kevyn was always looking for love, primarily. 742 00:46:15,647 --> 00:46:18,859 He was, um, and that's what we had in common. 743 00:46:18,942 --> 00:46:21,945 We both wanted desperately to be loved, 744 00:46:22,029 --> 00:46:23,405 and to be approved of. 745 00:46:23,530 --> 00:46:28,202 I think that was definitely in the search of his friendships with the celebrities. 746 00:46:28,327 --> 00:46:29,244 Roll, play nine. 747 00:46:29,328 --> 00:46:32,748 I was incredibly fortunate that Kevyn came to me 748 00:46:32,873 --> 00:46:37,252 when his career was about to go to a whole other level. 749 00:46:42,382 --> 00:46:45,636 This was a kid from Lafayette, Louisiana. 750 00:46:46,345 --> 00:46:49,806 And all of a sudden, he comes to New York 751 00:46:49,890 --> 00:46:53,143 and meets, and is hanging out, 752 00:46:53,227 --> 00:46:57,689 and is friends with people that he idolized 753 00:46:58,398 --> 00:46:59,775 since he was a child. 754 00:46:59,858 --> 00:47:01,193 I met Tina when I was 21. 755 00:47:01,944 --> 00:47:04,112 With what? The first celebrity I've ever worked with. 756 00:47:04,196 --> 00:47:06,532 First cover with me in the shirt, Rolling Stone, jumping up. 757 00:47:06,615 --> 00:47:07,533 Jumping up, and... 758 00:47:08,075 --> 00:47:09,785 He started working quite a bit with celebrities. 759 00:47:09,868 --> 00:47:12,204 First one, that was probably the Tina Turner, 760 00:47:12,287 --> 00:47:14,331 that famous Rolling Stone cover. 761 00:47:14,414 --> 00:47:16,750 ♪ I been runnin' ♪ 762 00:47:16,833 --> 00:47:18,085 Sing it, Kev. 763 00:47:18,210 --> 00:47:21,463 ♪ I been runnin' since my youth ♪ 764 00:47:21,547 --> 00:47:26,260 He would get so excited, you know, hyperventilating excited, 765 00:47:26,343 --> 00:47:29,179 when he was gonna work with, you know, one of those... and Cher. 766 00:47:29,263 --> 00:47:33,100 Oh, how you had the patience to do these eyes is beyond me. 767 00:47:34,142 --> 00:47:36,019 Obviously, I can't speak for Cher, 768 00:47:36,103 --> 00:47:39,273 but I think Kevyn made her feel safe, that she could trust him. 769 00:47:39,356 --> 00:47:42,859 You know, and then they became friends for some time. 770 00:47:42,943 --> 00:47:45,862 This is like all those ladies in Miami in the '60s. 771 00:47:45,988 --> 00:47:49,491 Yeah. Can you turn your head just a teeny bit towards me, Cher? 772 00:47:49,575 --> 00:47:54,371 On the shoot, just meeting someone and being their best friend immediately, 773 00:47:54,454 --> 00:47:57,541 and being that sort of very open, uh, 774 00:47:57,624 --> 00:48:00,168 and creating that connection immediately 775 00:48:00,252 --> 00:48:03,463 made him successful, especially with the celebrities. 776 00:48:03,547 --> 00:48:07,092 Kevyn, it's Liza. 777 00:48:07,175 --> 00:48:08,635 Hi. Yes! 778 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:09,886 I know, I love it! 779 00:48:10,012 --> 00:48:12,848 How are ya? 780 00:48:12,973 --> 00:48:15,475 Well, I'm hysterical laughing. Why? 781 00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:17,561 Well, you should see how I've put on my makeup. 782 00:48:18,729 --> 00:48:22,107 I've tried to do such a good job, and I look like such a harlotta. 783 00:48:23,233 --> 00:48:26,403 Kevyn and Liza became very close, very quickly. 784 00:48:26,528 --> 00:48:29,489 We were spending quite a bit of time at her apartment. 785 00:48:29,573 --> 00:48:34,453 She was a very open, warm person, and we all connected very, very quickly. 786 00:48:34,536 --> 00:48:36,496 She was making a big comeback, as well. 787 00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:40,250 It was her, uh... Carnegie Hall. 788 00:48:40,334 --> 00:48:45,505 Kevyn, it's Liza. We have a hit record. 789 00:48:45,631 --> 00:48:49,343 It came in at number 24 on the charts in London, 790 00:48:49,468 --> 00:48:53,263 and this week it goes up into the top ten and I am in such shock, 791 00:48:53,347 --> 00:48:56,516 I cannot tell you. I will call you the second I get home, 792 00:48:56,642 --> 00:48:58,310 and maybe I'll try you again tomorrow 793 00:48:58,393 --> 00:48:59,978 and tell you everything that's happened. 794 00:49:00,062 --> 00:49:02,522 And thank God you taught me how to do that makeup a little bit, 795 00:49:02,648 --> 00:49:05,359 I've been living in it. I love you honey, 796 00:49:05,484 --> 00:49:09,112 and all of this is really... has so much to do with you. 797 00:49:09,196 --> 00:49:11,990 I just love you, and I miss you. 798 00:49:12,074 --> 00:49:13,659 Okay, I'll talk to you later. Bye. 799 00:49:14,743 --> 00:49:19,790 If celebrities like you, then how can you not be likeable? 800 00:49:19,873 --> 00:49:23,669 I mean, if the most important people value you, 801 00:49:23,752 --> 00:49:25,712 how can you not be valuable? 802 00:49:32,636 --> 00:49:35,347 Go to Kevyn. Say hi, Uncle Kevyn! 803 00:49:36,682 --> 00:49:37,974 I think there was a piece of him 804 00:49:38,058 --> 00:49:40,310 that really wanted to know what his roots were, 805 00:49:40,394 --> 00:49:42,354 and to know if he had brothers and sisters, 806 00:49:42,437 --> 00:49:44,439 and to know what these... who these people were. 807 00:49:44,564 --> 00:49:47,567 Did they look like him? I think that was a big question for Kevyn. 808 00:49:49,653 --> 00:49:51,029 Hey, guys. 809 00:49:51,488 --> 00:49:53,281 When I got married, I had two boys. 810 00:49:53,365 --> 00:49:55,242 I always wanted a child named Kevin, 811 00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:59,621 so I knew I'd probably never see him again when I had Kevin. 812 00:49:59,705 --> 00:50:02,833 So I went ahead and named Kevin, Kevin. 813 00:50:02,916 --> 00:50:06,086 That's Kevin. And then Keith. 814 00:50:06,169 --> 00:50:08,630 And that's Keith, he's looking at US Magazine. 815 00:50:09,756 --> 00:50:10,716 John T. 816 00:50:10,799 --> 00:50:13,510 When I was 15, John T was my friend. 817 00:50:14,678 --> 00:50:17,514 He was just a wonderful person, 818 00:50:17,597 --> 00:50:19,057 just so kind and nice. 819 00:50:19,141 --> 00:50:22,602 He asked me to marry him and keep the baby, 820 00:50:22,686 --> 00:50:24,479 even though it wasn't his. 821 00:50:25,147 --> 00:50:26,815 And I told him no, 822 00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:29,776 because I didn't love him and I couldn't do him like that. 823 00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:31,987 I was not gonna marry him and not love him, 824 00:50:32,070 --> 00:50:33,196 because it wouldn't last. 825 00:50:34,531 --> 00:50:40,036 Kevyn, he really had a thing about giving him up for adoption. 826 00:50:40,203 --> 00:50:43,832 Him and Keith was walking from down there at Keith's house up to here, 827 00:50:43,915 --> 00:50:48,462 and he told Keith, he said, "You know, I can't understand why she didn't keep me, 828 00:50:48,545 --> 00:50:50,630 and let me be raised with y'all." 829 00:50:51,339 --> 00:50:52,632 Keith said, 830 00:50:52,716 --> 00:50:54,634 "Kevyn, I got something I wanna tell you," 831 00:50:54,718 --> 00:50:56,303 and he said, "You're not gonna like it." 832 00:50:56,386 --> 00:50:59,306 But he said, "Mother didn't love Daddy then. 833 00:50:59,431 --> 00:51:02,684 She told us that she did not love Daddy, 834 00:51:02,809 --> 00:51:06,188 and that she wasn't gonna marry him and ruin his life. 835 00:51:07,230 --> 00:51:09,733 I said "Oh, my God, that was my grandmothers." 836 00:51:10,233 --> 00:51:12,360 Probably about three or four months after I came home, 837 00:51:12,444 --> 00:51:14,696 I realized I was in love with John T. 838 00:51:15,363 --> 00:51:16,823 That all right back there? 839 00:51:16,948 --> 00:51:19,159 Kevyn was born February the 14th, 840 00:51:19,242 --> 00:51:22,454 and we got married September the 28th after that. And I wrote letters to the state, 'cause I wanted him back. 841 00:51:25,832 --> 00:51:29,753 You had so many months that you could change your mind, 842 00:51:29,836 --> 00:51:31,296 and I could have got him back. 843 00:51:32,506 --> 00:51:36,176 They wrote me a letter and told me they wouldn't unseal the deal 844 00:51:36,259 --> 00:51:38,804 where I could find out, you know, where Kevyn went. 845 00:51:38,929 --> 00:51:41,807 And I couldn't... I couldn't find him. I didn't know where he was. 846 00:51:43,642 --> 00:51:48,563 I had Kevin, my son with John T, in 1963. 847 00:51:48,688 --> 00:51:50,190 I just... 848 00:51:50,273 --> 00:51:55,570 I would look at Kevin and I would remember Kevyn Aucoin, and I would cry. 849 00:51:56,488 --> 00:51:58,615 When you swing the arm down, coming this way... 850 00:51:58,740 --> 00:52:02,994 When Whitney and I met Kevyn, we were all young. 851 00:52:03,078 --> 00:52:06,164 You know, he was at that peak in his career, 852 00:52:06,248 --> 00:52:10,544 and Whitney was, you know, moving upwards as well. 853 00:52:15,924 --> 00:52:18,218 Stand by, Cofey. Lower the card a little bit. 854 00:52:21,638 --> 00:52:23,807 And here we go. Good day? 855 00:52:23,890 --> 00:52:26,434 Madness. Woo! 856 00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:31,690 He became friends with Whitney and her friend Robyn. 857 00:52:31,773 --> 00:52:34,609 Kevyn was like family in the room with us, 858 00:52:34,693 --> 00:52:36,903 and the energy that he brought, 859 00:52:37,028 --> 00:52:40,657 it made me relax where I knew... 860 00:52:40,740 --> 00:52:43,076 you know, Whitney was in good hands. 861 00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:44,828 And she would relax. 862 00:52:44,911 --> 00:52:48,331 So if she was cool, I knew everyone else would be as well. 863 00:52:48,415 --> 00:52:49,541 What, darling? 864 00:52:49,666 --> 00:52:52,210 - A word from our sponsor. -A word from our sponsor. 865 00:52:53,378 --> 00:52:54,921 -Oh, that's terrible. -Who's our sponsor? 866 00:52:55,714 --> 00:52:56,673 Uh, Kevyn Aucoin. 867 00:52:56,756 --> 00:52:58,425 -Oh what, am I your sponsor? - Yes. 868 00:52:59,134 --> 00:53:00,719 Kevyn Aucoin Cosmetics? 869 00:53:00,844 --> 00:53:03,680 Yes. This is a... this is a makeup uh... 870 00:53:03,805 --> 00:53:06,516 -The natural. - ...an advertisement for uh... 871 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,687 The natural. The natural. I'm going to the other side, 872 00:53:10,812 --> 00:53:12,272 'cause this is not working. 873 00:53:12,355 --> 00:53:14,608 It was Kevyn, he always showed up with his camera. 874 00:53:14,691 --> 00:53:17,944 But you didn't feel like he was intruding at all. 875 00:53:18,028 --> 00:53:20,697 I think he understood her magnitude 876 00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:22,198 and power that she had. 877 00:53:22,949 --> 00:53:24,075 I'm sleepy. 878 00:53:24,492 --> 00:53:28,788 And he handled her in a way where she felt... 879 00:53:31,207 --> 00:53:32,792 where she felt like she could be. 880 00:53:42,636 --> 00:53:43,929 Okay. 881 00:53:44,012 --> 00:53:47,641 You know, and at that time, people didn't talk much about adoption, 882 00:53:47,766 --> 00:53:50,894 and I didn't know really a whole lot about it. 883 00:53:50,977 --> 00:53:56,858 The difference with adoption today and yesterday, or at Kevyn's time, 884 00:53:56,942 --> 00:53:58,777 every situation is different. 885 00:53:58,860 --> 00:54:01,613 I have twins, a boy and a girl. 886 00:54:01,696 --> 00:54:04,574 They were adopted. They understand that. 887 00:54:04,658 --> 00:54:07,243 Some children have a mom and a dad. 888 00:54:07,369 --> 00:54:09,663 Some have just a mom, 889 00:54:09,746 --> 00:54:13,708 some have a grandmom or a sibling raising them. 890 00:54:13,833 --> 00:54:17,587 And they are their parents. 891 00:54:17,671 --> 00:54:21,591 And they love you. And that's all that matters, 892 00:54:22,342 --> 00:54:24,761 that you are loved. Period. 893 00:54:25,428 --> 00:54:29,307 - I gotta go. 894 00:54:29,432 --> 00:54:33,603 We didn't belabor it, but Kevyn, he did, you know, flat out 895 00:54:33,687 --> 00:54:39,317 talk about his situation with his birth mother. 896 00:54:39,734 --> 00:54:44,406 Whatever was going on back then for him was very painful 897 00:54:44,531 --> 00:54:47,075 because he would tear up about it. 898 00:54:47,158 --> 00:54:49,411 I'm telling you. But you know what, Nelda? 899 00:54:49,494 --> 00:54:51,287 I wanna tell you something. 900 00:54:51,371 --> 00:54:53,957 Without makeup, it's much better. 901 00:54:54,082 --> 00:54:55,792 -You gotta be kidding. - No, I'm not kidding. 902 00:54:55,875 --> 00:54:57,085 I'm not kidding at all. 903 00:54:57,168 --> 00:54:58,294 I've told her that for years and years. 904 00:54:58,378 --> 00:55:00,547 He's told me that. He's told me that for years. 905 00:55:00,672 --> 00:55:03,341 No, 'cause we'll... You'll see. We'll fix it. 906 00:55:04,884 --> 00:55:06,636 We were so much alike. 907 00:55:07,303 --> 00:55:11,307 We really couldn't get along real good. 908 00:55:11,391 --> 00:55:14,644 -Should I fix my hair? - You can just fluff it up. 909 00:55:15,103 --> 00:55:19,524 He would argue with me, and talk back to me, and... 910 00:55:19,607 --> 00:55:22,736 I mean, he wanted to be close to me, but he just didn't know how. 911 00:55:22,861 --> 00:55:25,739 "Dear Nelda, thank you so much for the beautiful quilt. 912 00:55:27,407 --> 00:55:29,159 Something, wore... 913 00:55:30,785 --> 00:55:33,872 something and it... color was perfect. 914 00:55:35,582 --> 00:55:39,627 It took a... I bet it took a long time. I really appreciate it. 915 00:55:39,711 --> 00:55:42,172 Talk to you soon. Say hello, all." 916 00:55:42,255 --> 00:55:43,715 He writes like a doctor. 917 00:55:47,427 --> 00:55:50,346 He wasn't raised like my two boys were raised. 918 00:55:50,430 --> 00:55:53,892 He had a completely different background than my boys had. 919 00:55:54,934 --> 00:55:58,063 It's interesting when adopted children meet their adopted parents, 920 00:55:58,188 --> 00:56:01,441 it's very, very common for there to be no connection whatsoever. 921 00:56:01,524 --> 00:56:03,443 Because there's a fantasy that you've built in your head 922 00:56:03,526 --> 00:56:06,029 that your mother's been there longing for you. 923 00:56:06,112 --> 00:56:08,740 Maybe it was a mistake, she's been wishing and wondering. 924 00:56:08,865 --> 00:56:12,911 But inevitably, in many cases, it's not the case. 925 00:56:12,994 --> 00:56:16,414 And it's just like meeting someone at a bus stop, 926 00:56:16,498 --> 00:56:17,832 or someone in a store. 927 00:56:17,916 --> 00:56:20,043 You don't know anything about each other. 928 00:56:20,168 --> 00:56:22,754 You've got no common stories to share. 929 00:56:22,837 --> 00:56:25,632 You're two completely random people 930 00:56:25,715 --> 00:56:29,636 who just happened to be related by blood, and that's your only connection. 931 00:56:29,761 --> 00:56:34,182 He wanted so bad to love me because I'm his real mother. 932 00:56:35,975 --> 00:56:39,646 And I have another one that he's looking out to the stars. 933 00:56:39,771 --> 00:56:42,148 One day, I just got up thinking about Kevyn. 934 00:56:42,232 --> 00:56:47,195 I was sitting there thinking about him, holding him while he was a baby. 935 00:56:47,278 --> 00:56:49,864 I thought about that all the time. And I was crying, 936 00:56:49,948 --> 00:56:52,867 John T asked me what was wrong, and I told him. 937 00:56:52,951 --> 00:56:55,120 I just got up thinking about Kevyn. 938 00:56:55,745 --> 00:56:58,206 And I want... I didn't want that grown man, 939 00:56:58,289 --> 00:57:00,375 I wanted my baby back. 940 00:57:00,458 --> 00:57:02,585 At the time, I just felt like... 941 00:57:02,669 --> 00:57:06,673 you know, I wanted that baby that I lost. 942 00:57:06,756 --> 00:57:09,926 If I had raised him, he would be different. 943 00:57:10,009 --> 00:57:12,178 He wouldn't be the man he-he was. 944 00:57:12,262 --> 00:57:14,305 He probably wouldn't be doing makeup either 945 00:57:14,430 --> 00:57:16,850 'cause I'd have whipped his tail. He wouldn't have run away from me. 946 00:57:16,975 --> 00:57:18,518 Never thought Kevyn was gay, 947 00:57:18,601 --> 00:57:22,647 taking pictures of the women he was with like that. 948 00:57:23,523 --> 00:57:25,150 After all I'd been through, 949 00:57:26,276 --> 00:57:28,403 and having Kevyn and having to give him up, 950 00:57:28,486 --> 00:57:31,030 and all that that I went through, 951 00:57:31,114 --> 00:57:34,617 then he told me he was gay. 952 00:57:34,701 --> 00:57:36,202 And that just almost killed me, 953 00:57:36,327 --> 00:57:38,663 because I don't believe in that. 954 00:57:39,539 --> 00:57:42,125 I believe in the Bible, I believe in the Lord. 955 00:57:42,208 --> 00:57:45,211 You know, the lord says in the Bible, man shall not be with man, 956 00:57:45,295 --> 00:57:49,174 and woman shall not be with woman. It's an abomination unto God. 957 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,552 And I wanted him to go to heaven. 958 00:57:52,635 --> 00:57:54,345 That picture on the end over there... 959 00:57:54,971 --> 00:57:57,807 is the picture that I had made at the hospital. 960 00:57:57,891 --> 00:58:02,270 I told him, "If I had raised you, you wouldn't be gay." 961 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,358 I remember him being devastated 962 00:58:07,442 --> 00:58:11,196 because he said she rejected me twice, 963 00:58:11,279 --> 00:58:15,575 and it was not what he was hoping for. 964 00:58:16,326 --> 00:58:17,911 Whatever the Bible says, 965 00:58:18,953 --> 00:58:20,705 that's the way I believe. 966 00:58:24,959 --> 00:58:26,211 So I just... 967 00:58:28,129 --> 00:58:30,381 I couldn't hardly cope with it. 968 00:58:47,941 --> 00:58:51,319 He didn't get the big answers that he was looking for. 969 00:58:51,402 --> 00:58:56,574 He didn't get the revelations, he didn't get the self-knowledge. 970 00:58:58,409 --> 00:59:04,832 Kevyn and I even had a conversation about having grown up feeling unvalued, 971 00:59:04,916 --> 00:59:09,087 and how it was a little bit like being, uh, a cup without a bottom. 972 00:59:09,170 --> 00:59:12,674 You just keep pouring the liquid in, and it just keeps going out. 973 00:59:12,757 --> 00:59:16,052 And how to restore that bottom, 974 00:59:16,135 --> 00:59:18,555 and both of us were sort of struggling with 975 00:59:18,638 --> 00:59:22,976 how do we fill a cup that doesn't have a bottom? 976 00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:33,111 Kevyn's biggest motivation to succeed was his abandonment issues. 977 00:59:34,195 --> 00:59:37,574 He had this thought that if I work with you 978 00:59:37,657 --> 00:59:38,908 and you become my friend, 979 00:59:39,033 --> 00:59:42,620 and I make you pretty, then you won't abandon me. 980 00:59:42,704 --> 00:59:44,914 I absolutely think that he was looking for a mother figure 981 00:59:44,998 --> 00:59:46,499 in the people that he worked with. 982 00:59:46,583 --> 00:59:49,544 Oh, Kevyn. It's amazing! 983 00:59:49,627 --> 00:59:52,880 I do think that on some level, he used celebrity 984 00:59:52,964 --> 00:59:57,343 and working with celebrities to kind of fill up that void. 985 00:59:58,761 --> 01:00:03,016 Here we go. Straight away. And playback. 986 01:00:17,196 --> 01:00:18,573 Aaaah! 987 01:00:18,656 --> 01:00:20,325 Killing me! Kevyn tickles me so much. 988 01:00:20,408 --> 01:00:24,412 Kevyn works the camera. I swear to God. Look at him. 989 01:00:24,495 --> 01:00:27,707 Kevyn was getting to be the go-to celebrity makeup artist, 990 01:00:27,790 --> 01:00:28,791 for sure. 991 01:00:28,875 --> 01:00:29,751 That's it. 992 01:00:35,590 --> 01:00:37,216 Wonderful, Susan. 993 01:00:39,761 --> 01:00:41,179 That's amazing. 994 01:00:41,262 --> 01:00:43,806 It seems very, oh, of course today 995 01:00:43,890 --> 01:00:48,019 because everybody's so interconnected with celebrity and Instagram, 996 01:00:48,102 --> 01:00:49,812 and celebrities are selling magazines. 997 01:00:49,896 --> 01:00:51,981 But back then, that hadn't happened yet. 998 01:00:52,106 --> 01:00:55,902 There was a very clear line between fashion and entertainment, 999 01:00:55,985 --> 01:00:59,656 and things like that. And Kevyn crossed over, 1000 01:00:59,739 --> 01:01:02,575 and was able to kind of marry the two. 1001 01:01:06,287 --> 01:01:09,165 That's waking up in the morning. 1002 01:01:09,248 --> 01:01:10,833 There wasn't anything he couldn't do. 1003 01:01:10,917 --> 01:01:13,336 He could do something very natural, 1004 01:01:13,461 --> 01:01:16,923 all the way to the extreme of making you into... 1005 01:01:17,006 --> 01:01:20,259 a man, or another character. 1006 01:01:20,927 --> 01:01:24,013 Yeah, I'll take down the makeup in my car. 1007 01:01:25,223 --> 01:01:28,267 Oh, my God. Unbelievable. 1008 01:01:30,019 --> 01:01:32,563 They loved him. And he loved it. 1009 01:01:33,189 --> 01:01:34,691 He was the best, and really funny. 1010 01:01:34,774 --> 01:01:39,404 But the truth is, like there's no one more vain than a famous woman. 1011 01:01:39,487 --> 01:01:41,447 My face is so round. 1012 01:01:41,572 --> 01:01:42,615 Your face is not so round. 1013 01:01:42,699 --> 01:01:43,991 That is not a round face. 1014 01:01:44,075 --> 01:01:48,496 This is my number one boy attribute, are these ears 1015 01:01:48,579 --> 01:01:51,791 So I think everybody would have endured him, 1016 01:01:51,874 --> 01:01:55,878 even if he was a jerk, just to put their face in his hands. 1017 01:01:55,962 --> 01:01:58,089 Hi. It's Oscar morning. 1018 01:01:58,798 --> 01:02:00,717 We're at Shutters Hotel in Santa Monica. 1019 01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,262 Kevyn made me up for the Oscars, the year that I was nominated. 1020 01:02:05,930 --> 01:02:10,560 I think Kevyn was more kind of present to what was happening than I was. 1021 01:02:10,643 --> 01:02:11,686 I'm so glad you brought this 1022 01:02:11,769 --> 01:02:13,646 because we've been saying the whole weekend that we-- 1023 01:02:13,730 --> 01:02:14,939 I'll make a complete copy for you, it'll be so much fun. 1024 01:02:15,022 --> 01:02:16,065 Okay. Okay, good. 1025 01:02:16,149 --> 01:02:17,775 I remember them doing my mother. 1026 01:02:17,859 --> 01:02:21,571 You know, he was very aware what it would mean to her. 1027 01:02:22,363 --> 01:02:23,906 - Oh, wow. -I love you, Kevyn. 1028 01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:26,576 I've never felt so beautiful. What a day. 1029 01:02:26,659 --> 01:02:28,161 I was very nervous. 1030 01:02:28,286 --> 01:02:31,831 But Kevyn had a way of disarming you immediately. 1031 01:02:32,999 --> 01:02:34,834 From food stamps to runway in five minutes. 1032 01:02:35,334 --> 01:02:37,837 He was very good at kind of, you know, 1033 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,131 making you remember that life was happening. 1034 01:02:40,214 --> 01:02:42,341 You were in your life. 1035 01:02:42,425 --> 01:02:43,801 The naughty nominee. 1036 01:02:43,885 --> 01:02:47,555 You know, he was good at making moments be moments. 1037 01:02:47,638 --> 01:02:50,183 I'm in shock over this whole scenario. 1038 01:02:50,266 --> 01:02:53,478 I just can't believe we're going to the Oscars and everything. 1039 01:02:53,561 --> 01:02:56,898 - And you're in it. -And I'm in it. What the fuck? 1040 01:02:56,981 --> 01:02:59,901 What happened? I'm having a what happened moment. 1041 01:02:59,984 --> 01:03:04,530 And definitely that morning, I mean, it was, um, it was a moment. 1042 01:03:04,614 --> 01:03:05,573 These things. 1043 01:03:06,491 --> 01:03:07,784 Good luck. 1044 01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,079 And the Oscar goes to... 1045 01:03:12,163 --> 01:03:13,790 Gwyneth Paltrow. 1046 01:03:13,873 --> 01:03:15,458 Oh, my God. 1047 01:03:19,462 --> 01:03:22,507 Movie Star Makeovers, next. 1048 01:03:22,590 --> 01:03:24,842 Come on up here, Kevyn! 1049 01:03:27,011 --> 01:03:32,683 I first met Kevyn right about the time when Kevyn was doing his book, 1050 01:03:32,767 --> 01:03:33,601 The Art of Makeup, 1051 01:03:33,684 --> 01:03:37,104 which really started to catapult him into stardom. 1052 01:03:37,188 --> 01:03:40,691 He gives Claudia lip, keeps Tina's look hip, 1053 01:03:40,775 --> 01:03:43,277 make Andie blush, and Gwyneth gush. 1054 01:03:43,361 --> 01:03:44,821 Oh, I just love him. 1055 01:03:45,404 --> 01:03:49,283 I believe that Kevyn, when he started doing the books, 1056 01:03:49,408 --> 01:03:52,537 he wanted just women everywhere 1057 01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:54,705 to be able to do this to themselves. 1058 01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:57,500 He wanted to share his knowledge with women, 1059 01:03:57,583 --> 01:04:00,711 he wanted women to just pick up that lipstick, 1060 01:04:00,795 --> 01:04:02,213 create yourself. 1061 01:04:04,048 --> 01:04:07,093 Kevin's books were the best beauty books ever. 1062 01:04:07,176 --> 01:04:09,887 I think they did change the way we look at beauty 1063 01:04:09,971 --> 01:04:13,474 in that he made us all dream. 1064 01:04:13,558 --> 01:04:16,686 Kevyn just did the makeup for this history-making Rolling Stone cover. 1065 01:04:16,769 --> 01:04:19,272 Did y'all see this? For their 30th anniversary featuring 1066 01:04:19,355 --> 01:04:23,025 Courtney Love, and Tina Turner and Madonna. 1067 01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:24,861 -Now whose makeup did you do? - All of them. 1068 01:04:24,944 --> 01:04:26,445 You did all of them? Yeah. 1069 01:04:26,529 --> 01:04:28,823 Well, what was that session like? 1070 01:04:29,949 --> 01:04:34,745 So he kind of went from this youthful, young, whee energy, 1071 01:04:34,829 --> 01:04:39,584 like I'm doing what I wanted to do all my life, to huge star. 1072 01:04:39,667 --> 01:04:42,712 Oh! 1073 01:04:42,795 --> 01:04:44,380 Oh, my God, Kevyn! 1074 01:04:44,463 --> 01:04:47,133 Oh, shit! Oh, my God. 1075 01:04:47,216 --> 01:04:49,135 Hi. Hey, can you do my makeup? Hi! 1076 01:04:49,260 --> 01:04:50,344 Oh, my God! 1077 01:04:51,095 --> 01:04:52,680 We saw you on Oprah! 1078 01:04:52,763 --> 01:04:53,806 Yeah, you saw Oprah? 1079 01:04:53,890 --> 01:04:55,474 Yeah. Oh, my God, you are talented. 1080 01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:56,934 - Thank you! -Oh, my God! 1081 01:04:57,018 --> 01:04:59,520 Kevyn was absolutely one of the highest paid 1082 01:04:59,604 --> 01:05:01,230 makeup artists in the world. 1083 01:05:01,314 --> 01:05:04,734 He's transformed some of the world's most gorgeous faces, 1084 01:05:04,817 --> 01:05:08,112 so he's gonna do his work with this one right here. 1085 01:05:09,238 --> 01:05:12,617 He could be completely adorable. 1086 01:05:12,700 --> 01:05:16,579 He was a brilliant artist. There's no question. 1087 01:05:16,662 --> 01:05:19,749 He could be a complete pain in the ass. 1088 01:05:20,458 --> 01:05:22,543 Um, but I... 1089 01:05:22,668 --> 01:05:25,671 you know, that comes with the territory. The more successful they are, 1090 01:05:25,755 --> 01:05:27,757 -the more difficult they are. - Look how cute. 1091 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,635 Here we are on the set of Scream. 1092 01:05:30,718 --> 01:05:33,387 Which aptly describes how we all feel at this moment. 1093 01:05:33,471 --> 01:05:35,348 -Can you make this less... - No... 1094 01:05:35,473 --> 01:05:37,433 We were booking ten and fifteen thousand a day 1095 01:05:37,516 --> 01:05:39,560 for eight and... eight and ten day video shoots, 1096 01:05:39,644 --> 01:05:42,313 making eighty-five thousand for a video with Janet Jackson. 1097 01:05:42,396 --> 01:05:43,356 I mean, it was unheard of. 1098 01:05:43,481 --> 01:05:45,274 So we felt valuable all of a sudden 1099 01:05:45,358 --> 01:05:48,444 because we were making all this money. And then we got these egos. 1100 01:05:48,527 --> 01:05:50,154 And then we created these demands 1101 01:05:50,237 --> 01:05:52,365 of what we needed in order to show up for work. 1102 01:05:52,448 --> 01:05:54,241 It don't work, it don't work. 1103 01:05:54,617 --> 01:05:57,995 One more thing that doesn't work in this stupid fucking hotel. 1104 01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:00,247 Hello, do you have a CD player? No. 1105 01:06:00,331 --> 01:06:02,208 Hello, do you have a VCR? No. 1106 01:06:02,333 --> 01:06:06,170 Hello, can you help me find this or that? No. 1107 01:06:06,295 --> 01:06:07,672 Do you know what your name is? 1108 01:06:07,755 --> 01:06:10,174 Hello? Call housekeeping, call housekeeping. 1109 01:06:10,257 --> 01:06:12,176 -So I said-- - Fuck you. 1110 01:06:12,259 --> 01:06:16,055 I said, um, the housekeeping lady, uh, doesn't even speak English 1111 01:06:16,138 --> 01:06:19,725 and um, is she like the concierge, or are you the fucking concierge? 1112 01:06:19,809 --> 01:06:21,560 And what the fuck does that mean anyway, here? 1113 01:06:21,644 --> 01:06:25,398 Does concierge mean call housekeeping? 1114 01:06:25,481 --> 01:06:27,149 I would say he became a control freak, 1115 01:06:27,274 --> 01:06:29,068 and he would tell everybody what to do. 1116 01:06:29,193 --> 01:06:31,862 He was control, he was the star of the room, he really was. 1117 01:06:31,946 --> 01:06:34,448 You were not the star, he was the star. 1118 01:06:35,074 --> 01:06:39,453 And I would just like to say that the proof of the existence of God 1119 01:06:39,537 --> 01:06:42,081 is that she sent Kevyn Aucoin. 1120 01:06:44,792 --> 01:06:48,838 One of the things that happens to you if you become famous is that 1121 01:06:48,921 --> 01:06:51,090 everybody will kiss your ass, and then suddenly you will think 1122 01:06:51,173 --> 01:06:53,467 you're more important than God. That's just the way it goes. 1123 01:06:54,135 --> 01:06:57,763 He would do eight, nine, ten hours of just makeup, 1124 01:06:57,847 --> 01:07:00,683 and then hair would have no time, and then styling would have no time. 1125 01:07:00,766 --> 01:07:02,435 But you never crossed him. 1126 01:07:02,518 --> 01:07:07,690 When we work together, it's so wonderful because we don't pre-judge. 1127 01:07:07,773 --> 01:07:11,318 You know, we just go in and say, "Okay, let's see what these people like." 1128 01:07:11,444 --> 01:07:12,361 Right. 1129 01:07:12,486 --> 01:07:13,612 People are like, "Oh, they're horrible. They're horrible." 1130 01:07:13,696 --> 01:07:14,905 And then we find out they're not horrible. 1131 01:07:15,031 --> 01:07:16,866 And then people say to us, "Oh, you're lying." 1132 01:07:16,949 --> 01:07:18,492 You know, "Oh, it couldn't be possible." 1133 01:07:18,576 --> 01:07:20,578 -And people say that about us. -Yes. Exactly, exactly. 1134 01:07:20,661 --> 01:07:22,830 I mean, I've heard things about me that I have an attitude, 1135 01:07:22,913 --> 01:07:25,875 and I mean, and I don't really recognize myself 1136 01:07:25,958 --> 01:07:28,252 in those descriptions that I hear. 1137 01:07:28,335 --> 01:07:30,504 But hey, if that's their opinion, then... 1138 01:07:30,588 --> 01:07:31,839 Well, I think when you get to a certain level, 1139 01:07:31,922 --> 01:07:34,008 people have a certain amount of jealousy 1140 01:07:34,091 --> 01:07:39,055 and they start to, um, you know, they start to want to bring you down. 1141 01:07:39,138 --> 01:07:42,016 You know, we were in Nice, the south of France, 1142 01:07:42,099 --> 01:07:43,184 at Tina Turner's house. 1143 01:07:43,309 --> 01:07:44,810 Kevin wouldn't come out of the room 1144 01:07:44,894 --> 01:07:46,729 because he thought that it was too hot, 1145 01:07:46,812 --> 01:07:49,315 and they couldn't air condition Tina's backyard. 1146 01:07:49,398 --> 01:07:51,275 No, don't film this, please. 1147 01:07:53,277 --> 01:07:56,363 They came out of the room. Kevyn goes, "I'm not doing this," with his lisp, 1148 01:07:56,447 --> 01:07:59,575 "I'm not being in this, it's too hot. I'm not... Can't we shoot it inside?" 1149 01:07:59,658 --> 01:08:00,576 And Peter Lindbergh was like, 1150 01:08:00,659 --> 01:08:02,661 "Shoot inside? We've got the south of France, 1151 01:08:02,745 --> 01:08:05,539 we've got the Côte d'Azur. We're not shooting inside." 1152 01:08:05,623 --> 01:08:07,124 Kevyn stormed off the set, 1153 01:08:07,208 --> 01:08:10,461 and anybody who knows Kevyn watching this has been through this. 1154 01:08:10,544 --> 01:08:12,588 Stormed off the set, went into the guest room, 1155 01:08:12,671 --> 01:08:15,883 and sat there and talked on his phone the whole shoot. 1156 01:08:15,966 --> 01:08:17,593 ...losing my mind. 1157 01:08:17,676 --> 01:08:20,054 Tina Turner grabbed me, she goes, "Get over here. Come over here right now." 1158 01:08:20,137 --> 01:08:21,305 She grabbed me and she goes, "Come with me." 1159 01:08:21,388 --> 01:08:25,434 And she ran me up this three-story spiral staircase to the ceiling. 1160 01:08:25,518 --> 01:08:27,686 We get to the top, and we're in her bedroom. 1161 01:08:27,770 --> 01:08:28,938 And then she took a little, uh, 1162 01:08:29,021 --> 01:08:31,690 eyeliner, put it on, a little Tina Turner gold lipstick, 1163 01:08:31,774 --> 01:08:33,150 went out and did the whole shoot. 1164 01:08:33,234 --> 01:08:35,361 Kevyn never knew what happened 'cause he never came out of the room. 1165 01:08:35,444 --> 01:08:36,737 I don't fuck up. 1166 01:08:36,821 --> 01:08:38,197 - Ever? -Ever. 1167 01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:39,532 As someone who is adopted, 1168 01:08:39,615 --> 01:08:42,034 I do know that when you get to the top of the tree, 1169 01:08:42,118 --> 01:08:45,412 and you realize I can't really go much higher than I am, 1170 01:08:45,496 --> 01:08:49,416 I am as successful as I can be, I'm making money, 1171 01:08:49,542 --> 01:08:52,545 and I still feel the same. You kind of feel worse. 1172 01:08:52,670 --> 01:08:56,048 'Cause there's nowhere else to look to, that you think you can go 1173 01:08:56,132 --> 01:08:58,843 to make yourself feel better because you are there. 1174 01:08:58,926 --> 01:09:01,262 You're at the top and you still feel the same. 1175 01:09:03,389 --> 01:09:06,183 I should stop doing this. 1176 01:09:09,436 --> 01:09:12,648 I have no patience for this anymore. 1177 01:09:12,773 --> 01:09:15,943 Ours was a relationship where it was personal and business, 1178 01:09:16,026 --> 01:09:18,154 so it was so intertwined. I mean, there were times that, 1179 01:09:18,237 --> 01:09:21,031 you know, I would be on the phone with him at three in the morning, 1180 01:09:21,115 --> 01:09:22,533 "Where's my car? Where's my car?" 1181 01:09:22,616 --> 01:09:26,162 And I'm like, "Kevyn, you know, I'm in bed." 1182 01:09:26,245 --> 01:09:28,873 It took a toll on our relationship, for sure. 1183 01:09:28,956 --> 01:09:33,502 And Kevyn had this history of going from relationship to relationship 1184 01:09:33,586 --> 01:09:34,879 to relationship, 1185 01:09:34,962 --> 01:09:37,131 without clear breaks. 1186 01:09:37,214 --> 01:09:38,591 -You got us in the picture? -Hi. 1187 01:09:39,049 --> 01:09:41,343 But even after we broke up, 1188 01:09:41,468 --> 01:09:43,512 we were still extremely close. 1189 01:09:43,596 --> 01:09:45,598 We were like brothers, we were like family. 1190 01:09:46,515 --> 01:09:48,017 How do you say I love you in Russian? 1191 01:09:52,563 --> 01:09:53,689 Say it again? 1192 01:10:06,744 --> 01:10:13,083 I met Kevyn Aucoin, um, my first year of college. 1193 01:10:13,209 --> 01:10:14,293 He was much older than me. 1194 01:10:14,376 --> 01:10:16,587 Look in here, look into there. Not at the screen. 1195 01:10:16,670 --> 01:10:17,546 Okay. 1196 01:10:17,671 --> 01:10:20,216 I wasn't out when we first got together, 1197 01:10:20,299 --> 01:10:22,593 and the most important thing Kevyn taught me 1198 01:10:22,676 --> 01:10:24,511 was how to stand up for myself. 1199 01:10:24,595 --> 01:10:28,849 He made me understand that when I was afraid to come out to my father, 1200 01:10:28,933 --> 01:10:31,894 that it wasn't my problem with me being gay, 1201 01:10:31,977 --> 01:10:33,854 it was his problem with me being gay. 1202 01:10:33,938 --> 01:10:37,066 'Cause I was perfectly fine with the fact that I was gay. 1203 01:10:37,191 --> 01:10:41,779 And that contextual sort of reversal, or flipping the situation around, 1204 01:10:41,904 --> 01:10:45,074 and being like wait a second, don't hang your shit on me. 1205 01:10:45,157 --> 01:10:48,118 This is your problem to deal with, not my problem to deal with. 1206 01:10:48,244 --> 01:10:51,789 'Cause I'm 37 years old, and I grew up in Lafayette, Louisiana. 1207 01:10:53,207 --> 01:10:55,376 Yeah, thank you. 1208 01:10:55,459 --> 01:10:58,587 Grew up in Lafayette, Louisiana. My grandfather was in the KKK. 1209 01:10:59,255 --> 01:11:00,756 My... I was adopted. 1210 01:11:00,881 --> 01:11:04,927 Kevyn was very, very involved in helping gay youth 1211 01:11:05,010 --> 01:11:08,347 because he lived it, and he used his success 1212 01:11:08,430 --> 01:11:10,641 as a beacon of hope for so many young kids 1213 01:11:10,724 --> 01:11:14,478 because at the time when he was doing all of this, 1214 01:11:14,561 --> 01:11:17,982 there was no one that had such a high profile as he did, 1215 01:11:18,065 --> 01:11:19,149 doing what he was doing. 1216 01:11:19,233 --> 01:11:21,193 Everyone at the Hetrick-Martin school. 1217 01:11:21,277 --> 01:11:23,112 -Exactly. Yeah. - Hey, kids. Okay. 1218 01:11:23,195 --> 01:11:24,071 That's much better. 1219 01:11:24,154 --> 01:11:26,782 Okay. Whenever you're ready. 1220 01:11:27,157 --> 01:11:28,158 Hey, kids. 1221 01:11:28,242 --> 01:11:29,994 I'm Jennifer Lopez and I'm here with Kevyn, 1222 01:11:30,077 --> 01:11:33,080 and I'm just sending you a message. Be proud of who you are. 1223 01:11:33,205 --> 01:11:36,292 Never be ashamed of who you are 'cause you're beautiful. 1224 01:11:36,375 --> 01:11:37,876 Whenever you're ready. 1225 01:11:38,794 --> 01:11:42,006 Hi, kids. Kevyn just made me up. How do I look? 1226 01:11:42,089 --> 01:11:44,133 -Gorgeous, huh? 1227 01:11:46,260 --> 01:11:49,054 It's good to see you and have a chat with you. 1228 01:11:49,179 --> 01:11:53,809 Chin, chin. Chin up, keep fighting. You'll make it. I did. 1229 01:11:56,228 --> 01:12:00,190 He was like, this like, storm of like, emotion 1230 01:12:00,274 --> 01:12:01,650 and, uh, excitement. 1231 01:12:01,734 --> 01:12:03,902 I mean, it was everything, all the time. 1232 01:12:03,986 --> 01:12:08,115 We're here in Miami. We're in Orlando's beautiful apartment. 1233 01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,659 She's so kind to let us stay in. 1234 01:12:10,784 --> 01:12:12,619 We've got her clothes here and here. 1235 01:12:12,703 --> 01:12:15,080 They're on some of these beautiful chairs. 1236 01:12:15,164 --> 01:12:18,542 And we're gonna go out to Liquid, 1237 01:12:18,625 --> 01:12:21,795 um, and hopefully see some celebrities. 1238 01:12:21,879 --> 01:12:24,465 He started having some pain issues. 1239 01:12:24,548 --> 01:12:30,346 We're not gonna dance because my back about right here is hurting me a lot. 1240 01:12:30,429 --> 01:12:32,431 His back always hurt him. 1241 01:12:32,514 --> 01:12:35,684 He was always in pain in his back, and I would always have to like... 1242 01:12:35,768 --> 01:12:39,688 And I'm... I'm a big guy. I would walk on his back. 1243 01:12:39,772 --> 01:12:43,400 And it was never deep or hard enough. 1244 01:12:43,484 --> 01:12:46,987 He was always in so much pain in his... in his body. 1245 01:12:47,071 --> 01:12:49,615 He talked about not feeling good, 1246 01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:52,326 and trying to get control over his health. 1247 01:12:52,451 --> 01:12:55,454 And Kevin was very uncomfortable, physically uncomfortable. 1248 01:12:55,537 --> 01:12:59,291 He had headaches, and his hands hurt. 1249 01:12:59,375 --> 01:13:01,835 It definitely affected him. I think he tried to put on a happy face, 1250 01:13:01,919 --> 01:13:06,215 but he had to open the windows 'cause he was blazing hot, you know. 1251 01:13:06,298 --> 01:13:07,591 Just sweating. 1252 01:13:07,674 --> 01:13:11,470 Pressure for Kevyn was really hard for him to handle. 1253 01:13:11,553 --> 01:13:15,849 You know, there were multiple bookings always that came in. 1254 01:13:15,933 --> 01:13:18,769 You know, for days. I mean, if you looked at his schedule, 1255 01:13:18,852 --> 01:13:24,900 it was you know, Cher, Tina, Janet, uh, Gwyneth, Winona 1256 01:13:25,025 --> 01:13:26,443 in one week. 1257 01:13:26,527 --> 01:13:30,030 Monsieur Aucoin, very stressed. 1258 01:13:30,114 --> 01:13:32,032 When our relationship ended, it was difficult 1259 01:13:32,116 --> 01:13:33,242 because Kevyn was like this. 1260 01:13:33,325 --> 01:13:36,161 He didn't want-let anything go that he didn't want to let go. 1261 01:13:36,286 --> 01:13:39,540 But I wasn't ever gonna make him happy. 1262 01:13:40,207 --> 01:13:43,961 I was never gonna give him what he needed and what he wanted out of a relationship, 1263 01:13:44,044 --> 01:13:48,799 which was somebody who was his support system. 1264 01:13:48,882 --> 01:13:50,801 I had my own path to fight and find. 1265 01:13:56,849 --> 01:14:00,644 Jeremy made himself available to Kevyn in such a way that 1266 01:14:00,727 --> 01:14:02,813 Kevyn thought he was gonna fill that void. 1267 01:14:02,896 --> 01:14:05,607 He met Jeremy through a friend. 1268 01:14:05,691 --> 01:14:09,027 I think that Jeremy represented another, you know, 1269 01:14:09,111 --> 01:14:11,029 aspect to having it all for him. 1270 01:14:14,116 --> 01:14:17,828 So that over there is the house. 1271 01:14:17,911 --> 01:14:21,165 So Kevyn bought a house up in Middleton, New York. 1272 01:14:21,248 --> 01:14:25,794 Uh, Rose Cottage, which was like, I think the former estate of Laura Ashley. 1273 01:14:25,919 --> 01:14:30,174 Beautiful, beautiful, um, horse farm. 1274 01:14:30,257 --> 01:14:32,009 He always wanted a family, 1275 01:14:32,134 --> 01:14:36,513 so here he had the perfect house, the perfect... 1276 01:14:36,597 --> 01:14:39,475 the perfect husband, you know, with Jeremy. 1277 01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,769 And you know, this idyllic setting. 1278 01:14:42,853 --> 01:14:45,397 But he was still experiencing pain. 1279 01:14:46,773 --> 01:14:48,484 That's the house. 1280 01:14:51,945 --> 01:14:53,155 There's Alex. 1281 01:14:53,697 --> 01:14:58,535 I started noticing that he was having massive headaches, 1282 01:14:58,660 --> 01:15:02,372 like migraines that were mind-blowing. 1283 01:15:03,540 --> 01:15:07,294 Backstage at a, um, Tori Amos concert, 1284 01:15:07,377 --> 01:15:11,089 he felt he had a headache, and next thing he knew, he fell. 1285 01:15:11,173 --> 01:15:13,634 He just passed out on the ground. 1286 01:15:14,259 --> 01:15:18,222 So that was the beginning of actually knowing 1287 01:15:18,305 --> 01:15:20,641 that something serious was going on. 1288 01:15:20,724 --> 01:15:24,311 He flew to, uh, to do a video for Cher, 1289 01:15:24,394 --> 01:15:26,230 and he was in a lot of pain. 1290 01:15:29,274 --> 01:15:31,735 I said, "You're at the Four Seasons Hotel. 1291 01:15:31,818 --> 01:15:33,987 Why don't you just have them call a doctor?" 1292 01:15:34,071 --> 01:15:37,824 And a doctor that came to him had specialized in acromegaly, 1293 01:15:37,908 --> 01:15:39,201 just by chance. 1294 01:15:39,284 --> 01:15:43,705 Looked at him, and within five minutes said, "I think you have acromegaly." 1295 01:15:51,713 --> 01:15:55,509 When we found out that he had acromegaly, I mean, it all made sense. 1296 01:15:55,592 --> 01:15:59,888 I mean, he had grown. I mean, you know, a couple inches in the past few years. 1297 01:15:59,972 --> 01:16:03,475 You know, his fingers, his hands were so big. 1298 01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,352 His face actually changed. 1299 01:16:05,435 --> 01:16:08,438 Things got distorted, his nose grew bigger, his ears. 1300 01:16:08,522 --> 01:16:11,191 You know, so I think he saw this over time. 1301 01:16:11,275 --> 01:16:14,111 Here's someone who, for a living, is a makeup artist 1302 01:16:14,194 --> 01:16:20,200 who, uh, is trying to symmetrically balance someone's face, 1303 01:16:20,284 --> 01:16:23,245 which is crucial in beauty sometimes, 1304 01:16:23,328 --> 01:16:25,872 so that for him to see his own features change 1305 01:16:25,956 --> 01:16:31,420 subtly, all the time, it must have been a real mind-fuck. 1306 01:16:32,254 --> 01:16:34,423 Kevyn was very insecure about his own looks. 1307 01:16:34,506 --> 01:16:37,342 And when we were together, 1308 01:16:37,426 --> 01:16:41,430 he would ask like, "Do you think I'm attractive?" And all this stuff. 1309 01:16:41,513 --> 01:16:45,309 But, um, I'm sure that for him, dealing with a disease 1310 01:16:45,392 --> 01:16:49,062 that not only made him physically, um, uncomfortable 1311 01:16:49,187 --> 01:16:52,816 but also change physically must have been very difficult. 1312 01:16:54,234 --> 01:16:55,611 I look terrible. 1313 01:16:55,986 --> 01:16:58,655 They eventually operated on, 1314 01:16:58,739 --> 01:17:02,743 but weren't successful in solving the pain problems. 1315 01:17:04,828 --> 01:17:07,456 So murky, the whole... the whole situation 1316 01:17:07,539 --> 01:17:12,169 because he legitimately had pain, needed medication for his pain, 1317 01:17:12,252 --> 01:17:14,254 but we also thought that he was abusing it. 1318 01:17:14,338 --> 01:17:16,798 So we just didn't know what the reality was. 1319 01:17:16,882 --> 01:17:21,887 It was this slippery slope that no one knew the truth to. 1320 01:17:21,970 --> 01:17:26,391 He was seeing multiple doctors, going to different, uh, pharmacies, 1321 01:17:26,475 --> 01:17:30,062 getting, you know, playing that game of trying to get more Vicodin. And his career started to take a dive. 1322 01:17:38,945 --> 01:17:42,699 I started to see less and less of Kevyn as he... 1323 01:17:42,783 --> 01:17:45,494 kind of started to spiral downwards. 1324 01:17:45,577 --> 01:17:49,373 He would not show up, and not call. 1325 01:17:49,456 --> 01:17:53,210 He changed a lot the last couple of years that he was alive. 1326 01:17:57,798 --> 01:18:01,593 People were, you know, didn't want to book him. 1327 01:18:01,718 --> 01:18:05,430 They were starting to, you know, back away from his career. 1328 01:18:05,514 --> 01:18:08,058 There were rumors going on that, you know, 1329 01:18:08,141 --> 01:18:09,434 about this in the industry, 1330 01:18:09,518 --> 01:18:11,728 and I'm sure, you know, people were finding out. 1331 01:18:12,437 --> 01:18:15,315 Seems like now they're starting, they told me they didn't want me anymore. 1332 01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:16,483 What, really? 1333 01:18:16,608 --> 01:18:17,734 Mm-hmm. 1334 01:18:19,152 --> 01:18:21,029 Seems like yesterday they told me, 1335 01:18:21,113 --> 01:18:23,740 "We can't afford you. There are some budget cuts." 1336 01:18:24,282 --> 01:18:25,409 Yeah, it wasn't budget cuts. 1337 01:18:25,492 --> 01:18:28,787 They did hear from people that, you know, he takes a pill to get up in the morning, 1338 01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:29,830 he takes a pill to go to sleep, 1339 01:18:29,913 --> 01:18:32,082 and takes a pill to get on a plane, and takes a pill to get off a plane. 1340 01:18:35,252 --> 01:18:39,297 There was definitely, uh, prescription drug abuse. 1341 01:18:39,965 --> 01:18:45,303 I knew that there were whispers going around that he was not doing well. 1342 01:18:45,429 --> 01:18:49,099 He went and did Cher's video, Song for the Lonely. 1343 01:18:49,850 --> 01:18:53,687 He was so sick that he needed to not travel, 1344 01:18:53,812 --> 01:18:55,313 but he went for her. 1345 01:18:55,397 --> 01:18:56,773 It wasn't just about ego. 1346 01:18:56,857 --> 01:19:00,569 Toward the end, he had been canceled so much that he needed the money. 1347 01:19:00,652 --> 01:19:02,571 And yes, he was using. 1348 01:19:02,654 --> 01:19:06,783 But he still showed up and did good work, and then he collapsed. 1349 01:19:06,867 --> 01:19:09,077 They had to revive him. He was out. 1350 01:19:09,161 --> 01:19:13,206 And, uh, that was it for her and Kevyn. 1351 01:19:13,290 --> 01:19:15,959 Everyone was backing away from him, unfortunately. 1352 01:19:16,042 --> 01:19:18,044 Um, he became a liability, 1353 01:19:18,128 --> 01:19:19,713 I think, for many of them. 1354 01:19:20,797 --> 01:19:24,676 I think April, 2002 was the first time that he wasn't booked for the Oscars. 1355 01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:28,889 And, uh, I think that really... that was really hard for him. 1356 01:19:28,972 --> 01:19:33,018 I was so young when we were so close, 1357 01:19:33,143 --> 01:19:39,107 and I didn't have the wisdom to understand that I could help. 1358 01:19:39,191 --> 01:19:43,028 I think it's scary when you're young and you haven't been around addiction. 1359 01:19:43,111 --> 01:19:45,989 And you know, somebody that you're very close to 1360 01:19:46,072 --> 01:19:48,325 starts to seem very different. 1361 01:19:48,408 --> 01:19:52,537 If it were today, I would handle it completely differently, you know. 1362 01:19:52,621 --> 01:19:56,792 Um, I would be like, "What the fuck are you doing? Let's... 1363 01:19:56,875 --> 01:19:59,628 I'm taking you somewhere, we're gonna sort it out." 1364 01:19:59,711 --> 01:20:04,174 But at the time, it was... I found it scary and overwhelming. 1365 01:20:04,674 --> 01:20:05,634 Well, you know... 1366 01:20:05,759 --> 01:20:09,137 Even if a million people tell me that you're brilliant, that you're loved, 1367 01:20:09,262 --> 01:20:11,389 but if you don't feel it inside you then... 1368 01:20:11,515 --> 01:20:13,433 It doesn't matter how many people tell you 1369 01:20:13,517 --> 01:20:16,478 because their love for you isn't real until... 1370 01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:20,440 you believe that you deserve it... 1371 01:20:20,524 --> 01:20:22,818 you believe that you're worthy of it. 1372 01:20:22,943 --> 01:20:24,820 The drug use intensified. 1373 01:20:24,903 --> 01:20:29,783 It just, you know, it started to get really out of control. 1374 01:20:29,866 --> 01:20:34,496 And Jeremy finally, you know, said, "I can't take this anymore." 1375 01:20:34,579 --> 01:20:37,874 You know, "I just... I've had it." 1376 01:20:37,958 --> 01:20:40,418 He wanted to take a break, and he left for Paris. 1377 01:20:40,502 --> 01:20:45,507 I think that, for Kevyn, that whole issue of abandonment 1378 01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:47,634 really kind of came into play. 1379 01:20:47,717 --> 01:20:51,555 And I think that put Kevyn into a downward spiral. 1380 01:20:51,638 --> 01:20:53,849 That week, it was awful. 1381 01:20:53,932 --> 01:20:56,226 I mean, he just holed himself up at the house 1382 01:20:56,309 --> 01:20:58,979 and just wouldn't let anybody in. 1383 01:21:13,994 --> 01:21:16,788 Kevyn, are you there? 1384 01:21:16,872 --> 01:21:21,001 I wish you would call me because you said you were going to. 1385 01:21:21,126 --> 01:21:23,753 All right? So please give me a call. 1386 01:21:25,130 --> 01:21:27,883 The abandonment issues were always there. 1387 01:21:28,008 --> 01:21:30,844 I don't know if he ever saw his beauty. 1388 01:21:30,969 --> 01:21:35,056 This is somebody who really cannot be alone. 1389 01:21:35,140 --> 01:21:37,934 Are you there? 1390 01:21:39,102 --> 01:21:42,355 Hello? Hello, hello, hello? 1391 01:21:43,773 --> 01:21:46,192 There was a tumor on his pituitary gland. 1392 01:21:46,276 --> 01:21:49,487 And he said, "I just don't want to go on anymore." 1393 01:21:49,571 --> 01:21:52,282 I knew that something was wrong with his brain. 1394 01:21:52,365 --> 01:21:57,078 He was taking more pain medication than he should have. 1395 01:21:57,162 --> 01:21:58,872 I was afraid to leave him. 1396 01:21:58,955 --> 01:22:01,333 He said he was taking too much of it. 1397 01:22:01,416 --> 01:22:04,794 Hi. Anybody home? 1398 01:22:06,713 --> 01:22:10,050 He just laid on the floor and passed out. 1399 01:22:10,133 --> 01:22:12,677 It wasn't his destiny to be saved. 1400 01:22:13,595 --> 01:22:16,598 Why do you think he shot all of these video tapes? 1401 01:22:16,723 --> 01:22:20,977 There's a piece of me that almost feels like... 1402 01:22:21,102 --> 01:22:23,229 he knew he was gonna die early. 1403 01:22:38,536 --> 01:22:41,247 I worried about him taking too much medication, 1404 01:22:41,331 --> 01:22:44,459 and maybe if I'd done something at that point in time, 1405 01:22:44,542 --> 01:22:46,878 it might have changed history. 1406 01:22:48,838 --> 01:22:52,425 Look, I'm almost crying myself right now. 1407 01:22:53,134 --> 01:22:55,470 Because I'm remembering all of this. 1408 01:23:01,017 --> 01:23:02,978 But I live with it every day. 1409 01:23:06,606 --> 01:23:09,234 We had to call an ambulance and take Kevyn to the hospital. 1410 01:23:09,359 --> 01:23:11,444 Then the doctor came in and he said, 1411 01:23:11,569 --> 01:23:14,614 "Your friend's taken this ingestion of pills, 1412 01:23:14,698 --> 01:23:18,702 and there's, um, Tylenol, which is in the Vicodin, 1413 01:23:18,785 --> 01:23:20,996 and that's shut his liver down," 1414 01:23:21,079 --> 01:23:23,206 and that we had to make a decision to keep him on, 1415 01:23:23,289 --> 01:23:25,333 you know, life support or pull the plug. 1416 01:23:25,417 --> 01:23:29,295 And, um, Isidore had to make that decision. 1417 01:23:29,379 --> 01:23:32,507 And that was a really, really tough decision for him to make. I said, "I want y'all to take the respirator off, 1418 01:23:35,844 --> 01:23:37,470 and we'll see what happens." 1419 01:23:37,554 --> 01:23:40,056 But I said I'm leaving the room. 1420 01:23:40,140 --> 01:23:42,767 So I asked Eric to stay and watch. 1421 01:23:42,892 --> 01:23:46,980 And the last thing they told me he did, when they pulled the respirator off, 1422 01:23:48,023 --> 01:23:52,485 right after that, he took one deep breath it looked like, and that was it. 1423 01:23:54,195 --> 01:23:55,405 So when Orlando called me, 1424 01:23:55,488 --> 01:23:58,283 one of the questions I asked, besides what happened, 1425 01:23:58,366 --> 01:24:01,745 was why didn't you call me sooner? 'Cause I would have come. 1426 01:24:04,664 --> 01:24:06,583 But I understand... 1427 01:24:10,962 --> 01:24:12,338 just um... 1428 01:24:36,946 --> 01:24:40,075 I got a message that Kevyn had passed away. 1429 01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:44,120 And I was devastated. 1430 01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,707 I was devastated. I really was. 1431 01:24:50,376 --> 01:24:52,962 Someone said, and I'm not sure if they said it at his service 1432 01:24:53,046 --> 01:24:54,547 or said to me after, 1433 01:24:54,631 --> 01:24:58,259 but just that he was a flame that burned so bright, 1434 01:24:58,384 --> 01:25:02,222 it was like it burned so bright, so strong, and then it just burns quick. 1435 01:25:03,473 --> 01:25:09,229 He was more than just what, you know, those kids teased him about, 1436 01:25:09,312 --> 01:25:12,273 and he was more than being a son that was adopted. 1437 01:25:12,398 --> 01:25:14,692 He was more than, um, 1438 01:25:14,859 --> 01:25:17,904 just a great makeup artist. He was a sum of many things. 1439 01:25:17,987 --> 01:25:22,826 And because of that, he was able to start using his voice 1440 01:25:22,909 --> 01:25:24,828 and talk about things, and being an activist. 1441 01:25:25,703 --> 01:25:29,165 I stand here today in awe of how far we've come, 1442 01:25:29,249 --> 01:25:31,084 and yet how far we have to go. 1443 01:25:31,167 --> 01:25:34,712 As long as there are Matthew Shepards in this world, we must fight. 1444 01:25:34,796 --> 01:25:36,339 Not with violence and hatred, 1445 01:25:36,422 --> 01:25:39,467 but with love and compassion for those who would like to see us disappear. 1446 01:25:44,264 --> 01:25:49,185 Mr. Aucoin's father was someone who was in the KKK. 1447 01:25:49,310 --> 01:25:53,189 And it really shows a lot of who Kevyn was 1448 01:25:53,273 --> 01:25:56,067 because he, you know, insisted that Isidore and Thelma 1449 01:25:56,151 --> 01:25:59,112 support him and fight for him, 1450 01:25:59,195 --> 01:26:02,907 and they really came around to become champions of Kevyn. 1451 01:26:02,991 --> 01:26:06,619 You know, so much so that they started the first chapter of PFLAG 1452 01:26:06,744 --> 01:26:08,246 in Lafayette, Louisiana. 1453 01:26:08,329 --> 01:26:13,084 And in fact, they even went to Congress and spoke for gay rights. 1454 01:26:14,002 --> 01:26:16,671 He was trying to take everyone 1455 01:26:16,754 --> 01:26:19,966 and show them the very best part of themselves, because he knew what that would feel like. 1456 01:26:23,386 --> 01:26:24,637 When you're not seeing it, 1457 01:26:24,721 --> 01:26:27,432 how amazing it is when somebody lifts you up. 1458 01:26:27,515 --> 01:26:29,267 I'm so excited to meet you. 1459 01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:33,146 Kevyn's idea of beauty was about the power 1460 01:26:33,229 --> 01:26:35,690 of beauty and makeup to be transformational. 1461 01:26:35,773 --> 01:26:37,901 For a woman to look at herself for the first time 1462 01:26:37,984 --> 01:26:40,820 and see like, "Wow, I look beautiful," 1463 01:26:40,945 --> 01:26:42,697 and how much confidence that gives them. 1464 01:26:42,822 --> 01:26:44,240 I'm crying. 1465 01:26:45,867 --> 01:26:51,748 His philosophy was that anybody is and can be beautiful. 1466 01:26:51,831 --> 01:26:54,209 I'm so glad to meet you myself. 1467 01:26:56,502 --> 01:26:58,171 There'll never be another Kevyn Aucoin. 1468 01:26:58,254 --> 01:27:00,215 Never. Never, never. 1469 01:27:03,301 --> 01:27:07,805 Kevyn would have loved that the footage would be seen by everyone. 1470 01:27:10,308 --> 01:27:12,101 He loved his family, he loved his nieces, 1471 01:27:12,268 --> 01:27:15,063 and would have loved leaving something really valuable for them. 1472 01:27:15,188 --> 01:27:16,981 And that we are talking about him, 1473 01:27:17,065 --> 01:27:22,403 that we are honoring him, that we're trying to understand him, 1474 01:27:22,528 --> 01:27:24,322 and that his legacy lives. 1475 01:27:24,405 --> 01:27:27,909 I know Kevyn... I know Kevyn. 1476 01:28:16,124 --> 01:28:17,750 So what do you do with all this video? 1477 01:28:17,834 --> 01:28:18,710 What? 1478 01:28:18,793 --> 01:28:21,045 You just watch it, or do you edit, edit it to make a movie out of it, 1479 01:28:21,129 --> 01:28:23,256 a feature-length, uh, documentary, or... 122903

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